I am using Serevent and Flovent 220 mcg, 2 puffs of each in the morning and then again in the evening. I use the InspirEase spacer to take my medication. Both medications state they contain enough medication for 120 puffs, which for me is a months worth of medication. However, I have noticed that after a month instead of the cannisters being almost empty they are still half full. I put them in water to measure them. I am wondering why this is. Could it be that the InspirEase doesn’t extract enough of the medicatiion from the cannister with each puff? Juls
I am using Serevent and Flovent 220 mcg, 2 puffs of each in the morning and then again in the evening. I use the InspirEase spacer to take my medication. Both medications state they contain enough medication for 120 puffs, which for me is a months worth of medication. However, I have noticed that after a month instead of the cannisters being almost empty they are still half full. I put them in water to measure them. I am wondering why this is. Could it be that the InspirEase doesn’t extract enough of the medicatiion from the cannister with each puff? Juls
How exactly does InspirEase work? All the spacers I’ve ever used simply had an opening on one end for the inhaler (where the mouth would usually be if not using a spacer) and an opening for me to breathe from. If that’s the case with InspirEase, then it wouldn’t make any difference in the amount of medicine that comes out when you press the canister down. I had actually read on some inhalers (might have been serevent, but I don’t remember) that that water measuring trick wasn’t very accurate and the best thing to do was keep track of how much you’re using. Also, is it possible that you have forgot to take every dose in a given month?
How exactly does InspirEase work? All the spacers I’ve ever used simply had an opening on one end for the inhaler (where the mouth would usually be if not using a spacer) and an opening for me to breathe from. If that’s the case with InspirEase, then it wouldn’t make any difference in the amount of medicine that comes out when you press the canister down.
Exactly..the only difference is that it has accordian -like folds and collapses as you take the meds…;
I am using Serevent and Flovent 220 mcg, 2 puffs of each in the morning and then again in the evening. I use the InspirEase spacer to take my medication. Both medications state they contain enough medication for 120 puffs, which for me is a months worth of medication. However, I have noticed that after a month instead of the cannisters being almost empty they are still half full. I put them in water to measure them. I am wondering why this is. Could it be that the InspirEase doesn’t extract enough of the medicatiion from the cannister with each puff?
The canisters are otherwise with propellant in order to ensure that the first actuation with have the same pressure as the 120th actuation. The problem is that after 120 doses all you will be getting is propellant with no medication. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.
<Has anyone had this experience? has anyone tried Zyrtec? (also prescribed <today). <thanks My son takes Zyrtec. It has been the most helpful allergy medicine he’s taken to date. He gets good relief within a half hour after taking it. It made him extremely tired for a few weeks, now he doesn’t suffer that symptom. Hulahoops
Singulair has helped my allergies and overall congestion. Can sleep at night. Asthma is under control. Best of all, I use inhaler twice a day and thus avoid inhaler jitters. It has made a big difference in my life and have noticed no side effects. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the last couple week my sinuses have gone crazy, occaisionally affecting my asthma. I have trouble sleeping with these new antihistamine/decongestants so they create other problems. I saw the pulminologist today and he suggested that I try singulair. I have already tried accolate and had little results. Dr. suggested that there is some evidence that singulair helps allergies/ sinus as well. Has anyone had this experience? has anyone tried Zyrtec? (also prescribed today). thanks
My eight year old son was on Singulair for a while and it helped both his asthma and his sinus troubles. He also has fibromyalgia and has a hard time getting a good nights sleep. On the Singulair he slept 14 to 15 hours a night. I thought of Singulair as a God send. But then he developed a possible side effect. His white blood cell count went down to 2.6. His allergist and the hemotologist had me take him off the Singulair since it is such a new medication. His white count has now come back up so he can’t go back on the Singulair. I wrote to the company about this. All they told me was to discuss it with the doctor. I had written to them that that is what I did and just wanted to make them aware of the possible side effect. It was if they hadn’t really read my letter at all. They said if I gave them my address they would send me some materials. I did so about 3 weeks ago and have yet to receive anything. I just thought I’d make you all aware of this possible side effect again. I have posted about it once or twice before. Janice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I started Singulair a month ago; it has been very effective for my asthma, allowing me to cut my inhaled steroid in half and improving peak flows; also helps my hay fever (rhinitis), allowing me to reduce my steroid nasal spray. Singulair has neglible side effects in most people; a child’ version is available. Here’s a link on Singulair & Claritin for rhinitis (allergies): http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/61c72.htm Excerpt:
Adverse effects of drugs can be reported to the FDA’s MedWatch program, either by your doctor or you. See http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/ MedWatch http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/how.htm How to Report "How to Report Adverse Reactions & Medical Product Problems to the FDA Serious adverse events and product problems should be reported to the FDA either directly or via the manufacturer of the product, as appropriate. Specifically within a user faciity (e.g., hospital, nursing home, etc.) some reporting–deaths and serious injuries that occur with the use of medical devices–is mandated by federal law and regulation while other reporting–adverse events and product problems with medications (i.e., drugs and biologics) and special nutritionals–although considered vital, is strictly voluntary." http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/report/consumer/consumer.htm Reporting by Consumers MedWatch is the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) program for health professionals to report serious reactions and problems with medical products such as drugs and medical devices. A reaction is considered serious if the product caused death, a life-threatening situation, admission to a hospital or a longer than expected hospital stay, a permanent disability, a birth defect, or the need for medical or surgical care to prevent permanent damage. If you think you or someone in your family has experienced a serious reaction to a medical product, you are encouraged to take the reporting form (PDF format) to your doctor. Your doctor can provide clinical information based on your medical record that can help us evaluate your report. However, we understand that for a variety of reasons, you may not wish to have the form filled out by your doctor, or, your doctor may choose not to complete the form. Your doctor is NOT required to report to the FDA. In these situations, you may use the instructions (PDF format) and fill out the form yourself. You will receive a letter from FDA after we receive your report. However, you will be personally contacted only if we need additional information. Please be aware that your name as the reporter, even if you are reporting a reaction that happened to you personally may be released to the manufacturer of the product. If you do not want your name released, be sure to check box E5 on the form. If you would prefer to report your adverse experience by telephone, or if you have a complaint about a medical product, please call the FDA Office of Emergency Operations at (301) 443-1240. If you have additional questions about the medical product which caused your problem, or if you need additional MedWatch reporting forms, please call the FDA Office of Consumer Affairs at (800) 532-4440 " Ellis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My eight year old son was on Singulair for a while and it helped both his asthma and his sinus troubles. He also has fibromyalgia and has a hard time getting a good nights sleep. On the Singulair he slept 14 to 15 hours a night. I thought of Singulair as a God send. But then he developed a possible side effect. His white blood cell count went down to 2.6. His allergist and the hemotologist had me take him off the Singulair since it is such a new medication. His white count has now come back up so he can’t go back on the Singulair. I wrote to the company about this. All they told me was to discuss it with the doctor. I had written to them that that is what I did and just wanted to make them aware of the possible side effect. It was if they hadn’t really read my letter at all. They said if I gave them my address they would send me some materials. I did so about 3 weeks ago and have yet to receive anything. Janice I started Singulair a month ago; it has been very effective for my asthma, allowing me to cut my inhaled steroid in half and improving peak flows; also helps my hay fever (rhinitis), allowing me to reduce my steroid nasal spray. Singulair has neglible side effects in most people; a child’ version is available. Here’s a link on Singulair & Claritin for rhinitis (allergies): http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/61c72.htm
In the last couple week my sinuses have gone crazy, occaisionally affecting my asthma. I have trouble sleeping with these new antihistamine/decongestants so they create other problems. I saw the pulminologist today and he suggested that I try singulair. I have already tried accolate and had little results. Dr. suggested that there is some evidence that singulair helps allergies/ sinus as well. Has anyone had this experience? has anyone tried Zyrtec? (also prescribed today).
I started Singulair a month ago; it has been very effective for my asthma, allowing me to cut my inhaled steroid in half and improving peak flows; also helps my hay fever (rhinitis), allowing me to reduce my steroid nasal spray. Singulair has neglible side effects in most people; a child’ version is available. Here’s a link on Singulair & Claritin for rhinitis (allergies): http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/61c72.htm Excerpt: "AAAAI MEETING: Singulair And Loratadine Reduce Hay Fever Symptoms WASHINGTON, MD — March 16, 1998 — The results of an investigational study presented yesterday at the 54th annual meeting of the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology showed that Singulair(R) (montelukast sodium) administered with the antihistamine loratadine significantly reduced symptoms in patients who suffered from seasonal allergic rhinitis, commonly known as hay fever. In this investigational study, Singulair and loratadine, when used alone, each decreased daytime nasal symptoms (stuffy, runny, itchy nose and sneezing) by 16 percent. When taken together, Singulair and loratadine decreased nasal symptoms by 28 percent. There was a 12 percent reduction in daytime nasal symptoms with placebo. Loratadine (marketed by Schering-Plough as Claritin(R)) is indicated for the relief of nasal and non-nasal symptoms of seasonal allergic rhinitis." All contents Copyright (c) 1998 PSL Consulting Group Inc. All rights reserved. Ellis
In the last couple week my sinuses have gone crazy, occaisionally affecting my asthma. I have trouble sleeping with these new antihistamine/decongestants so they create other problems. I saw the pulminologist today and he suggested that I try singulair. I have already tried accolate and had little results. Dr. suggested that there is some evidence that singulair helps allergies/ sinus as well. Has anyone had this experience? has anyone tried Zyrtec? (also prescribed today). thanks
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Could it be that "SARS" is just an adverse reaction to the anti-depressant drug Effexor that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals is now pushing in China? Similar symptoms: 1: Am J Respir Crit Care Med 2003 Apr 1;167(7):958-61 Drug-induced Pneumonitis and Heart Failure Simultaneously Associated with Venlafaxine. Drent M, Singh S, Gorgels AP, Hansell DM, Bekers O, Nicholson AG, Van Suylen RJ, Du Bois RM. Department of Respiratory Medicine, University Hospital of Maastricht, Two cases of interstitial pneumonia with cardiac failure developing in patients treated with the new antidepressant venlafaxine are presented. A strong relationship between the development of the patients’ illness and the initiation of venlafaxine treatment was identified. The cytochrome P (CYP) 450 system is involved in the metabolism of venlafaxine, suggesting that alterations in the drug metabolic clearance might be, at least in part, responsible for the development of drug-induced damage in these cases. This might occur either as a consequence of a genetic factor or concomitant drug therapy with an inhibitor of the related CYP system. After identifying the causative agent in the first case, withdrawal of the antidepressant together with corticosteroid treatment led to a favorable outcome. In the other case, the multiorgan failure became fatal. These cases highlight a hitherto undescribed association of an adverse lung reaction and heart failure due to venlafaxine. PMID: 12663337 [PubMed - in process]
Could it be that "SARS" is just an adverse reaction to the anti-depressant drug Effexor that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals is now pushing in China? Similar symptoms:
Yeah, world’s first contagious drug reaction.
Could it be that "SARS" is just an adverse reaction to the anti-depressant drug Effexor that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals is now pushing in China? Similar symptoms: Yeah, world’s first contagious drug reaction.
Is it SARS or is it a reaction to the drug Effexor? Effexor is now being agressively sold in China by Wyeth who claims on its website that it has "superior safety". Yet PubMed shows several reports of severe and fatal Effexor side effects — which at this point mimic symptoms of SARS. Patients taking Effexor need to know.
That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety.
no-at this point the fda encourages docs to find off label uses for all meds-so they actually encourage experimentation-it has pros and cons obviously all ssri’s are used for the whole plethora of psychiatric conditions-some having a specific signature or profile makes them better or worse for a given situation, person or condition. Celexa and zoloft are both equivocal as antidepressants or panic blocking drugs. For some zoloft is more easily tolerated and works better and others the celexa is the king. On average the celexa has just a tad bit less side effects-but again that’s on average. What I see of the lexapro–it’s like being able to increase the dose of celexa with a little less typical side effects but it’s not a real big deal-so it has some value but not a home run — docs like using paxil for anxiety because it is sedating-for me that just means you have a sedated anxious person so I base a meds worth on its overall ability and the de facto observations of it in a person. All the ssri’s have value but none of them are the magic secret bullet we hoped for. Zoloft would typically energize a procrastinating, non motivated somewhat less active person better and with a bit more gusto then celexa-but celexa may do a more complete or less obtrusive and more subtle job-so it depends on the take of the doc, his experience with them and the clients presenting symptoms and personality, biology and history LM
:Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s :slogin that i well remember) It means I am sticking my tongue at you in a playful way 
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety. no-at this point the fda encourages docs to find off label uses for all meds-so they actually encourage experimentation-it has pros and cons obviously all ssri’s are used for the whole plethora of psychiatric conditions-some having a specific signature or profile makes them better or worse for a given situation, person or condition. Celexa and zoloft are both equivocal as antidepressants or panic blocking drugs. For some zoloft is more easily tolerated and works better and others the celexa is the king. On average the celexa has just a tad bit less side effects-but again that’s on average. What I see of the lexapro–it’s like being able to increase the dose of celexa with a little less typical side effects but it’s not a real big deal-so it has some value but not a home run — docs like using paxil for anxiety because it is sedating-for me that just means you have a sedated anxious person so I base a meds worth on its overall ability and the de facto observations of it in a person. All the ssri’s have value but none of them are the magic secret bullet we hoped for. Zoloft would typically energize a procrastinating, non motivated somewhat less active person better and with a bit more gusto then celexa-but celexa may do a more complete or less obtrusive and more subtle job-so it depends on the take of the doc, his experience with them and the clients presenting symptoms and personality, biology and history LM
Thanks Much. I know that zoloft was NOT for me. The jury is still out on celexa. But I kinda get the picture from all that has been stated. (Just a side note–I’ve Never heard anyone say anything good about prozac–but–my sample would be way too small.) Happy Holidays From your Neighboor Detective. Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s slogin that i well remember)
Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s slogin that i well remember)
Well if your serious, 
is a face expression as if someone is sticking their tongue out. Like a smile : ) Unless your jokes are very subtle ; ) BTW I’m not Jackie, but I’m bored today LOL Later Dan, KF…
That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety. In my case–They seem to be totally different! Or is this another one of those famous YMMV type things?
That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety.
I would think so because Celexa is less stimulating than Zoloft. Although I am on Zoloft and perceive no stimulation. But that may be because I am also on Klonopin. Chip
:That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for :anxiety. I don`t know what one is prescribed most…….certain things come into play when prescribing meds, anything from have a lot of samples on hand to doctors personal preference. My psychologist favored Prozac for anxiety and panic. :In my case–They seem to be totally different! Or is this another one 
f those famous YMMV type things? That`s whats great about the SSRI`s, they are all different. If one doesn`t work, you can always try another one. The more med choices that are available, the better chance one has of finding an effective med. Take care Columbo Jackie ~*~All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another~*~ ~Anatole France~
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Hi, I think that you have to think about all these side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B
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Celexia, Prozac, Wellbutin, Zoloft, Effexor, which I stopped called turky, a 2 months ago. I’mback on Paxil as the pain clinic said it helps the most with chronic pain… The thing with Paxil, by the third week I am a zombie…. dory
Paul, I used to take Paxil, now on Effexor XR. I am currently thinking about switching to another one. I think I build up a tolerance to them over time. I have a cousin who seems to have this same problem with tolerance, he can only last about six months on a given antidepressant. Susan E
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The description of Effexor’s side effects goes on for two whole *pages* of fine print! Effing brutal, huh? I’ll pass.
It is an EXCELLENT anti-depressant. And if I felt I needed it I’d take again in a heartbeat, side effects be damned. But, for me right now, I’m not especially depressed, I’ll take wellbrutrin as a ‘just in case’ pill and to help me quit smoking. I am mostly stopping it because I was tired of feeling like a sexless lump. Heheh, now I’m just a frisky tired lump, deeeeeep sigh. ps. I forgot to mention the fun ‘clicking’ sound in your head when you move your eyes. whoopie! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)
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Easy there…. I wasn’t dumping on the stuff… just expressing (understandable, by my lights) fright. It took a long time to convince myself to take Zoloft, whose side-effect list is not much shorter than Effexor’s. It would doubtless take as long to convince me to take Effexor.
take wellbrutrin as a ‘just in case’ pill and to help me quit smoking. I am mostly stopping it because I was tired of feeling like a sexless lump. Heheh, now I’m just a frisky tired lump, deeeeeep sigh.
I had much the same problem while I took that stuff. Libido *real* good… get-it-uppitiness OK… stamina *nil*.
ps. I forgot to mention the fun ‘clicking’ sound in your head when you move your eyes. whoopie!
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I have used ALMOST every drug in the previous 50 posts EXCEPT Effexor…Though I may have had a brief stint with that too….I have been on Zoloft now for awhile….The only thing I can say, is I have to make sure to take it as early as possible or it becomes impossible to..you know…I don’t want to be crass…well I do, but I won’t….You know….My Dr said good, It is probably the most exercise u get…:-) Warm Regards and I hope you are all well, Eric Remember Strawberries, Watermellons, Lollipops, Sunshine and Hugs?
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Parnate (Tranylcypromine) and Aurorix I used the Aurorix to have a break from the Parnate but I was on it for too long. It didn’t work as well and I was flat for a few months without realizing that I had pretty serious depression while on an anti depressant. Partly it was what was going on. When looking at the two though, Parnate is a much "dirtier" drug but is said to improve the catecholamines, adrenaline, noradrenaline, dopamine and also serotonin. (as well as who knows what.) In the Aurorix information dopamine isn’t mentioned. I wonder if it is *that* which is the really missing ingredient. btw originally it was prescribed for fatigue. At the time I had euphoria rather than depression. So I wonder about the making of these lists. There is a complication that GPs especially introduce when they prescribed drugs which they know *work* (for some of their patients) for some symptoms. But which aren’t what the authorities or the companies make them for. eg the new anti epileptic drug which in Australia only people with epilepsy could get as a cheap drug. Others had to pay the full price. (PwMS) keep up the good work Paul, Linda http://www.ozemail.com.au/~lindafrd/ remove JUNK from address to reply
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Yup, I agree. I especially hate it when I miss a day, just one day, and I get the withdrawal symptoms, makes you wonder just what’s going on in there eh? But did you know that MS affects the seratonin levels? For me that little tidbit, coupled with my history of depression, and the fact that this disease would make anyone depressed, makes me loathe to stop taking anti-depressants. More of a preventative measure. I know all too well how easily depression can sneak up on you. On Thu, 03 May 2001 16:45:28 GMT, "Diana Calder" <d.r.calder@home
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Eek! The most I ever took was 75 mg/day! I’ve always been really sensitve to anti-depressants. After TWO weeks I managed to get down to 37.5, now I’m phasing down from that. 4-5 days!?! Holy crap batman. That’s way too fast. Be careful of the tablets – they really burn your guts if you don’t take with a FULL meal. Why did you want to stop taking it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Diane Calder wrote:
Hi Eliz! The doctor tried to wean me off 150 mgs in November over a 4 0r 5 day period. I then was to switch to wellbutrin. Well! besides feeling extremely nauseated, and a horrible sweeping sound in my head, I fell into a major depressive episode. I ended up in the hospital for two weeks with my blood pressure all askew. They put me back on Effexor and now have increased the dose up to 225 mgs. I didn’t know they had the tablet form. How are you doing weaning off Effexor! Are you being succesful? Good luck! Diana <el…@notathome.com wrote in message news:3af0e13e.47811940@news.cis.dfn.de… Diana Calder wrote: Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of. I too am trying to get off effexor. I am taking
wellbutrin
as well. Have you tried taking the tablet form of
effexor?
You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces
to
get off it. Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)
Eliz. To paraphrase Oedipus, Hamlet, Lear, and all those guys, "I wish I had known this some time ago." – Corwin, Sign of the Unicorn
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Eliz! You explained coming off Effexor to a tee! As far as the libido side effects, Effexor has been the only antidepresant that has not interfered with that subject for myself. All the others have, especially the prozac family. Anyway! with M.S., the mind says yes and the body says no, or is the other way around! Diana <el…@notathome.com
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Michael wrote: I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft. The word ‘discombobulated’ really sums it up. Turn your head too fast and it feels like your brain has become unhinged. Stir in a hefty of dose of bed-spin feeling. I imagine its what a mild concussion would feel like, or a good whollop to the noggin. effing brutal. Ten times worse than the symptoms you get when you start taking it. Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)
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On Thu, 03 May 2001 15:53:14 GMT, "Diana Calder" <d.r.calder@home
wrote: family. Anyway! with M.S., the mind says yes and the body says no, or is the other way around!
Close. I believe its "the mind says yes, and the body says f*** off"
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Yup! that analogy is much more fitting! Thanks! Diana <el…@notathome.com
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On Thu, 03 May 2001 15:53:14 GMT, "Diana Calder" <d.r.calder@home wrote: family. Anyway! with M.S., the mind says yes and the body says no, or is the other way around! Close. I believe its "the mind says yes, and the body says f*** off"
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Hi Eliz! The doctor tried to wean me off 150 mgs in November over a 4 0r 5 day period. I then was to switch to wellbutrin. Well! besides feeling extremely nauseated, and a horrible sweeping sound in my head, I fell into a major depressive episode. I ended up in the hospital for two weeks with my blood pressure all askew. They put me back on Effexor and now have increased the dose up to 225 mgs. I didn’t know they had the tablet form. How are you doing weaning off Effexor! Are you being succesful? Good luck! Diana <el…@notathome.com
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Diana Calder wrote: Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of. I too am trying to get off effexor. I am taking wellbutrin as well. Have you tried taking the tablet form of effexor? You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces to get off it. Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)
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Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS for my non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom. I’m particularly interested in the brand names as I can always get back to the generic from that and brands vary from country to country. Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not using them now, I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/
Been on; Prozac (Fluoxetine) Lustral (Sertraline) Dothiepin ( *forgot*) Amitriptylline (generic name) Paroxetine (Seroxat) This latter is the best for me, but has 2 unwelcome effects. 1…Prevents ejaculation at high doses 2…Known withdrawal syndrome ( see www.bnf.org ) HTH, P.
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Michael wrote: I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft. The word ‘discombobulated’ really sums it up. Turn your head too fast and it feels like your brain has become unhinged. Stir in a hefty of dose of bed-spin feeling. I imagine its what a mild concussion would feel like, or a good whollop to the noggin. effing brutal. Ten times worse than the symptoms you get when you start taking it.
I just poked through my little (NOT) book of pills… The description of Effexor’s side effects goes on for two whole *pages* of fine print! Effing brutal, huh? I’ll pass. — ((((((((((U)))))))))) Michael <muirh…@island.net
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Michael wrote:
I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft.
The word ‘discombobulated’ really sums it up. Turn your head too fast and it feels like your brain has become unhinged. Stir in a hefty of dose of bed-spin feeling. I imagine its what a mild concussion would feel like, or a good whollop to the noggin. effing brutal. Ten times worse than the symptoms you get when you start taking it. Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)
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Diana Calder wrote:
Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of.
I too am trying to get off effexor. I am taking wellbutrin as well. Have you tried taking the tablet form of effexor? You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces to get off it. Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)
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wrote in message news:3af0e13e.47811940@news.cis.dfn.de… Diana Calder wrote: Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of. I too am trying to get off effexor. I am taking wellbutrin as well. Have you tried taking the tablet form of effexor? You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces to get off it. Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know!
I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft. — ((((((((((U)))))))))) Michael <muirh…@island.net
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Zoloft, Effexor, Wellbutrin. On Thu, 03 May 2001 00:08:54 +0100, Paul Jones – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Paul_Jo…@btinternet.com
wrote: Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS
for my
non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom.
I’m
particularly interested in the brand names as I can always
get back to
the generic from that and brands vary from country to
country.
Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not
using them now,
I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/
Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)
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Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor, Trazedone. Not using any now. Didn’t like the so-called "side effects" cc:ng
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Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of. Diana Paul Jones <Paul_Jo…@btinternet.com
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Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS for my non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom. I’m particularly interested in the brand names as I can always get back to the generic from that and brands vary from country to country. Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not using them now, I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/
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Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS for my non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom. I’m particularly interested in the brand names as I can always get back to the generic from that and brands vary from country to country. Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not using them now, I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/
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Hi Betsy, Excellent thread! For those of you who are on antidepressants, what different sorts of experiences have you had that show they’re working? We’re all taught to recognize such symptoms of depression as deep sadness, lack of energy, apathy, etc.
What shows they are working. I think it’s good to approach this from both the lack of negative symptoms *and* the return of positives: – Less deep sadness, replaced by feelings of calm or "normalcy". The "normalcy" is noticed by realizations that "hey! this is how I used to feel when I wasn’t depressed!". – Lack of energy, replaced by just the ability to get out of bed and in the shower in order to make it to work on time. Feeling rested after a normal nights sleep, instead of wanting to sleep all day. – Apathy replaced by hope that things can get better, and caring about that, which also can ironically cause some fear in me. In the 3 weeks I’ve been taking meds for dysthymia (low grade chronic depression), these things, to the less profound degree I’ve felt them, have cleared up.
Good! I’m glad for you! But a more noticeable difference for me is a greater ability/willingness to be open and honest with my feelings *before* a fuse gets lit — I don’t keep from speaking up and let things fester so much. Then a problem can be resolved when it’s still small, and my feelings stay more neutral during and after the resolution. It’s weird. : )
I’ve noticed that I tend to be able to resolve things in a more tactful appropriate manner sooner when I’m doing well on antidepressants. One concern that I have is that one of the meds I take is Klonopin, and it gives me what I would consider an artificial self confidence and changes my personality in ways that I’m more laid back and I’ve noticed that people respond very positively to that. My sense of humor increases too, or at least my ability to convey it. The concern is that Klonopin is addictive, and I must moderate its use. I never take more than the prescribed dosage, but sometimes recently I have been taking up to 2mg (like today), so I want to go a week or so without it, or maybe taking only .5mg. Two of the lesser-talked-about symptoms of depression are persistent feelings of low self-worth and guilt. I’m not saying that antidepressants are the cure-all for these feelings, but I wonder if the meds are helping to relieve some of these feelings in me so that speaking up is a more tolerable option now?
I think this goes back to speaking up — that can help relieve guilt. If you’re feeling less depressed and good about yourself in general, it’s easier to brush off someone else’s inappropriate guilt feelings. This past weekend I told my Mom I was going to try to contact the Make a Wish Foundation to see if she could get tickets to see Tiger Woods in Rockford. My Mom’s been through a lot, she loves Tiger Woods, and it would make her sooooooo happy. It would make me equally or more happy to be able to make her happy. Well, when I asked my Mom if I have her permission to do that, my sister said, in an irritated condescending tone of voice that Make a Wish is only for terminally ill children. Well, my first feeling was hurt. I had taken a risk and gone out of my way to try to do something positive, and immediately it was shot down by my sister (but my Mom liked the idea — anything to see Tiger Woods My sister started to say more, and I realized I didn’t want to get into a debate with her. So, I said I didn’t want to talk about it. She called me rude for not wanting to talk about it, that when someone wants to talk I "should" talk. I said no, I’m setting a boundary and I choose not to talk about it. Mainly, because I saw it as a lose-lose conversation or a win-lose conversation. In converstations like that, I don’t want to be the winner or loser. I want it to be win-win, or an intelligent discussion of the ways to find out what the Make a Wish covers, and also an acknowledgement of the intent. If I were in depression, I may not have been as internally comfortable about how I handled it. I was at peace after I set the boundary, event though my sister was frustrated and tried to get me to participate more in the conversation. She also has a young daughter. During the weekend she said "Kevin!!! Shannon has hair spray in her hand, you "should" have closed the bathroom door". I said "Sure, no problem, I will be happy to do that in the future. I just need to be informed of these things and you hadn’t let me know to do that". She said yes, I know I did because I told Randy (my brother). (as if someone else is evidence that she told me). I left it as a final "I don’t believe you told me otherwise I would have gladly complied, but I’ll be sure to do it in the future". It’s almost like the meds have taken the power out of the "excuses" depression makes me vulnerable to (I’m too tired; it’ll never work; I’m not good enough) and the healthier thoughts I’ve been planting all along in therapy, etc. have a chance to actually be heard — by me.
YES. *This* is what meds (IMO) are good for. The depression support group I go to says this too, and this is my experience. For me, the meds put me in a state where I’m more willing to remember and apply the healthy thoughts from therapy and other sources, and it also makes therapy more effective — instead of always dealing with depression in therapy and "dysthymia-struggles" (to coin a term), it can get to dealing more in the soluiton. Of course, it could all be placebo effect, too. At this point I really don’t care. : ) Just wondered what you guys have experienced?
I don’t think it’s the placebo effect. After years of taking meds, not taking them when I was supposed to, forgetting to take them, not taking them as prescribed, taking them while drinking, I eventually had a lot of empirical data that leads me to believe, for me anyway, that the meds do help a lot. I have been taking them as prescribed, except for Klonopin which I choose to take as needed because I know how addictive it can be. Betsy
Another point about meds. Sometimes it takes a loooong time to find a good match, or the right meds (not to mention a good psychiatrist). Right now, crossing fingers, the combination of 150mg of Effexor XR, with 50mg Zoloft recently re-added (because I was proactive and contacted the psychiatrist), occasional use of Klonopin as needed, and 50-100mg of Trazodone for sleeping (I almost always take 50mg) works very well. Today, I can honestly say I feel "normal" (just for today). Maybe a little depressed and sad, but at least functional. About the placebo effect. I wonder whether the full spectrum lights and the SAD lights have a placebo effect for me. I don’t care. All I know is that after a long day at work under my full spectrum light, when I go out into the dark winter here, I almost feel like I had a day of sunshine and the dark night seems more natural. So, the lighting helps also. Kevin P.S. — thanks for your recent e-mail Betsy, I’ll try to get back to you (and a few others who’ve e-mailed in the last few weeks, some of whom I haven’t heard from in a while)
For those of you who are on antidepressants, what different sorts of experiences have you had that show they’re working? We’re all taught to recognize such symptoms of depression as deep sadness, lack of energy, apathy, etc. In the 3 weeks I’ve been taking meds for dysthymia (low grade chronic depression), these things, to the less profound degree I’ve felt them, have cleared up. But a more noticeable difference for me is a greater ability/willingness to be open and honest with my feelings *before* a fuse gets lit — I don’t keep from speaking up and let things fester so much. Then a problem can be resolved when it’s still small, and my feelings stay more neutral during and after the resolution. It’s weird. : ) Two of the lesser-talked-about symptoms of depression are persistent feelings of low self-worth and guilt. I’m not saying that antidepressants are the cure-all for these feelings, but I wonder if the meds are helping to relieve some of these feelings in me so that speaking up is a more tolerable option now? It’s almost like the meds have taken the power out of the "excuses" depression makes me vulnerable to (I’m too tired; it’ll never work; I’m not good enough) and the healthier thoughts I’ve been planting all along in therapy, etc. have a chance to actually be heard — by me. Of course, it could all be placebo effect, too. At this point I really don’t care. : ) Just wondered what you guys have experienced? Betsy
– Lack of energy, replaced by just the ability to get out of bed and in the shower in order to make it to work on time. Feeling rested after a normal nights sleep, instead of wanting to sleep all day.
I’ve stopped taking 3-4 hour naps on the weekends. : ) There’s all sorts of stuff to do when you look for it. I’ve noticed that I tend to be able to resolve things in a more tactful appropriate manner sooner when I’m doing well on antidepressants. One concern that I have is that one of the meds I take is Klonopin, and it gives me what I would consider an artificial self confidence and changes my personality in ways that I’m more laid back and I’ve noticed that people respond very positively to that.
Is it an antianxiety med? It’s interesting that you say it feels like an artificial self-confidence. Does that mean that anxiety feels natural for you?? I don’t quite know how to respond, except that you seem to be staying self-aware about your use of it and that’s a good thing. I think this goes back to speaking up — that can help relieve guilt. If you’re feeling less depressed and good about yourself in general, it’s easier to brush off someone else’s inappropriate guilt feelings.
Exactly. And the low self-esteem, that also leads to not speaking up or even counting my needs and feelings as important enough to bother dealing with. It’s a sort of self-sustaining loop in depression, apathy/low self-worth/lethargy. Regarding the incident with your sister, she sounds more than a little stressed-out herself. : ) But you handled her very well! It’s almost like the meds have taken the power out of the "excuses" depression makes me vulnerable to (I’m too tired; it’ll never work; I’m not good enough) and the healthier thoughts I’ve been planting all along in therapy, etc. have a chance to actually be heard — by me. YES. *This* is what meds (IMO) are good for. The depression support group I go to says this too, and this is my experience.
You don’t know how encouraging it is to hear this, Kevin. One of the worst things about chronic depression is that little by little, year by year, you’re just resigning yourself to the fact that this is what life feels like. You don’t even think it CAN be different. It’s such a relief to know there’s something that can actually help. And yet, I don’t feel as if the meds are "doing" it to me, I feel like I’m the one making the choices and changing my behavior. I don’t think it’s the placebo effect. After years of taking meds, not taking them when I was supposed to, forgetting to take them, not taking them as prescribed, taking them while drinking, I eventually had a lot of empirical data that leads me to believe, for me anyway, that the meds do help a lot. I have been taking them as prescribed, except for Klonopin which I choose to take as needed because I know how addictive it can be.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, it really is valuable to me. You’ve been around the block with this and I know you speak from experience. Happy New Year! Betsy
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shanon, How is it different that I am using a drug to alter the way I feel in somewhat the same way that they are using drugs to alter the way that they feel. -) You are being monitored by a professional throughout the complete period of taking your "drugs" — your friends are not. -) You are being prescribed the correct dosage of your "drug" — your friends not. -) Your friends may become addicted to their drugs — you are *very* unlikely to become addicted to yours.
I agree with you completely. I’m not a chemist, so when I was using pot all those years I really had no idea exactly what dosage I needed to obtain the feeling I wanted. And I didn’t want to alleviate a painful condition, I wanted to obtain a high. The partnership with one and maybe two professionals, if you have a therapist, makes treatment with meds for depression a vastly different experience than chasing a high with street drugs. Betsy
Shanon, How is it different that I am using a drug to alter the way I feel in somewhat the same way that they are using drugs to alter the way that they feel.
-) You are being monitored by a professional throughout the complete period of taking your "drugs" — your friends are not. -) You are being prescribed the correct dosage of your "drug" — your friends not. -) Your friends may become addicted to their drugs — you are *very* unlikely to become addicted to yours. Yes, medicine can also be a "drug" and basically humans can become addicted to almost anything, I think. Drugs have been widely used since the beginning of mankind. Weren’t it the Maya who used leaves of the coke plant to enhance their bodily capabilities?? The main difference between the drug known as medicine and what people think of as "real" drugs is that there is a safety/precaution variable included — your doc. If you’re self-medicating yourself its drug abuse and may lead to dependency. At least I think of it that way. Hope that helped. Pete ;O) — ~ But if you’re in the eye of storm. Think of the lonely dove. The experience of survival is the key. To the gravitiy of love. ~ -Enigma
Since I have started Paxil, I have noticed so many positive effects.. First of all, my anxiety level has plummetted - thank God!! Secondly, my need to complete everything in order has subsided a little bit, I no longer panic if I don’t follow a schedule or stick to an exact plan. My depression has gotten so much better as well, I still feel bad sometimes, but nothing how I used to feel. But, then I wonder if this is a good thing. I mean, I have friends who do drugs like pot and ecstacy – they say that the drugs make them happy – ecstacy makes them feel empathetic and like they have a connection with people. Pot makes them calm, helps them concentrate, takes the edge off of their angry dispositions. So I’m wondering, how am I different from them in my own use of Paxil? How is it different that I am using a drug to alter the way I feel in somewhat the same way that they are using drugs to alter the way that they feel. The only difference is that my drugs are legal. I guess I’m rambling.. Shanon
For those of you who are on antidepressants, what different sorts of experiences have you had that show they’re working?
I am able to sleep. I am able to not obsess about things, to let things go, to go to work. I am able to eat better without so much worry that I will wake up the next morning weighting a ton. When I have gone off my antidepressants the first thing I notice returning is my anxiety, which results in insomnia and obsessive compulsive behaviors. I have gone off and back on many times against medical advise, and I know that they help me tremendously. When I am off, I crash so bad. Love Kal
i am not as reactive emotionally. but in a good way. i can still cry and i do feel anger, but its not rage anymore.
What a relief this must be. I have had flashes of rage throughout the years, for me I think they’re related to unrelenting depression. it has slowed my mind down. my mind used to race so fast , i talked fast, etc. now i am more even keeled. it has helped me to sleep better and longer. which is wonderful considering my history of insomnia. and i am more positive thinking now, i dont get so down on myself and i dont feel hopeless. i look for solutions to problems now and it helps to keep my chin up
but you’re an important part of ase-d for me. You are not your struggles, you are the person inside and I just wanted to let you know I see you. : ) Happy New Year! Betsy
Self-injury with knives and razors. I would cut on myself when I was depressed, before I got on the right medications. I’m ashamed of it, I still have scars, but I have a great therapist that’s helping me understand why I did that. -Emily
hi Emily. this is interesting! did you see yourself at all becoming tolerant to the stimulants? If so, did effexor help with this? also, I have anxiety which mostly manifests as stomach pain (nausea/butterflies). did you get this too? Did the drug combo you’re on help? thanks!! – Jason Web Page: http://www.JasonsWeb.com "Quantum Physics: The dreams that makes up stuff"
Our psychiatrist says that Jesse shouldn’t worry about taking Adderall or Ritalin in eves, as once the brain waves are working correctly sleep should come MORE easily. This isn’t true for all patients, but works for many. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I thought that I would post this and see if anyone else has noticed anything like this. In addition to having ADD, I have clinical depression and severe anxiety. I found that Adderall was like a miracle for my anxiety, because it took away so many of the racing thoughts and ruminations in my head. However, my most difficult time has always been at night. I used to have panic attacks so badly that I would hyperventilate and faint. Well, even though Adderall seems to be the best med. for this, I was told that I couldn’t take it at night, as it might interfere with the onset of sleep. So, my psychiatrist added Xanax for nighttime. Well, even though it seemed to help the anxiety, it actually kept me awake instead of putting me to sleep. It also made me severely depressed and apathetic, to the point where I began to self-injure; something that I hadn’t done for a long, long time. Needless to say, I went right off of it. Anyway, several weeks ago, my psychiatrist put me on the anti-depressant Effexor, saying that it would help with my ADD and anxiety, as well as the depression. Because it acts on norepinepherine as well as serotonin, it’s a good adjunct to stimulants in ADD/ADHD people. Anyways, it has been amazing! After only a week of taking Effexor XR 75mg/day(in the morning), my nighttime anxiety was nearly gone! I also noticed that I didn’t get nearly as irritable when my Adderall wore off in the evening. I used to hate the dropoff that I noticed with my stimulant, and now I can hardly detect it. It just feels like the Effexor has smoothed out my day. I don’t have the peaks and valleys that I had while I was just on Adderall. I am feeling a lot more even. I just thought I would see if anyone else has had an experience with Effexor and ADD. Ciao! -Emily
– Colette
Effexor has helped many people with ADD+anxiety. I found it helpful until an unusual side effect stopped me from using it. I think I know a little about the razor thing. When I was in high school I had a problem with an ingrown tow nail. The school doc did a painful hack job and the toe eventually got worse. I figured that I could do better without anaesthetic than he did with it. I got out a new razor blade and started cutting carefully. It was a little bloody, but I felt little pain and a sense of quiet calm. It was strangely soothing. I cleaned up the problem. The toe got better and I haven’t had any problems with it since. There’s no need to be ashamed. The cutting was a way of self-treating the anxiety. Effexor is a much better way. You are making progress. George Self-injury with knives and razors. I would cut on myself when I was depressed, before I got on the right medications. I’m ashamed of it, I still have scars, but I have a great therapist that’s helping me understand why I did that. -Emily
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Hi there! This is great feedback to be getting! I was diagnosed with ADD comorbid with depression five years ago, and got every book on the subject I could find. I joined a support group too. Everything was starting to work out. But because I didn’t have insurance at my job, it was also very expensive. The doctor, plus the counselor, plus the liver tests for the Cylert, plus the cost of the Cylert was forcing me to pay nearly $500 a month out of my pocket. I couldn’t afford it anymore so I quit. Well finally, being very depressed and still ADD, I went to see another psychiatrist that works on a sliding scale. She decided I didn’t have ADD at all because "adults don’t have ADD." She told me that when adults think they have ADD it’s really just Bipolar II. So she put me on lithium. I thought she was wrong but gave her the benefit of the doubt. I tried lithium for a couple of months. It did nothing for me at all. So I gave up on it and went to see a psychiatrist who was more expensive. But by this time I had insurance and could afford him. He told me that I was definitely depressed, that the Bipolar II diagnosis was ludicrous, and that he wasn’t sure about the ADD. He wanted to wait a while to see if ADD is really there and not just depression masquerading as ADD. He put me on Effexor. I got to tell you, the stuff is a miracle drug for me! When I’m on the Effexor, I feel like a totally different person. I feel happier, my thinking is less gloomy and dark. I’m less irritable, and more sociable. But without it, I’m deeply depressed. But the ADD symptoms never really went away. I still have the attention-holding and short-term memory problems. I still can’t read a book with out flying off with a million new ideas. I still get easily distracted, even by my own thoughts. And I still have trouble finishing things. The doctor decided that I am indeed ADD, and now he wants to try me out on Adderal. I pick up the prescription this afternoon. Your feedback is invaluable, and thanks. I hope it works as well for me as it has for you. Cliff Pearson Dallas, Texas USA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I thought that I would post this and see if anyone else has noticed anything like this. In addition to having ADD, I have clinical depression and severe anxiety. I found that Adderall was like a miracle for my anxiety, because it took away so many of the racing thoughts and ruminations in my head. However, my most difficult time has always been at night. I used to have panic attacks so badly that I would hyperventilate and faint. Well, even though Adderall seems to be the best med. for this, I was told that I couldn’t take it at night, as it might interfere with the onset of sleep. So, my psychiatrist added Xanax for nighttime. Well, even though it seemed to help the anxiety, it actually kept me awake instead of putting me to sleep. It also made me severely depressed and apathetic, to the point where I began to self-injure; something that I hadn’t done for a long, long time. Needless to say, I went right off of it. Anyway, several weeks ago, my psychiatrist put me on the anti-depressant Effexor, saying that it would help with my ADD and anxiety, as well as the depression. Because it acts on norepinepherine as well as serotonin, it’s a good adjunct to stimulants in ADD/ADHD people. Anyways, it has been amazing! After only a week of taking Effexor XR 75mg/day(in the morning), my nighttime anxiety was nearly gone! I also noticed that I didn’t get nearly as irritable when my Adderall wore off in the evening. I used to hate the dropoff that I noticed with my stimulant, and now I can hardly detect it. It just feels like the Effexor has smoothed out my day. I don’t have the peaks and valleys that I had while I was just on Adderall. I am feeling a lot more even. I just thought I would see if anyone else has had an experience with Effexor and ADD. Ciao! -Emily
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Oh darn! I was hoping to be able to claim the silly curls on something……. lol — Annie
| | I have very low blood pressure by nature (must be the curly hair lol). I | guess with the meds , my BP is normal. | | Nah, it’s not the curly hair, mine’s straight and my normal BP is | 80/58. | | — | Ann
| Effexor can cause elevated high blood pressure and possible | sedation. These were the reasons I quit taking it two weeks | ago, and went back to Prozac – for the additional pep, and also | because I stated taking stronger stims which also elevate BP. | | Could either of these be the unusual side effect? | I have very low blood pressure by nature (must be the curly hair lol). I guess with the meds , my BP is normal. I talked to my GP about Prozac and she told me that it was normally given to people who are very low energy wise and that I was too peppy for that drug….. oh well…. — Annie
| Effexor can cause elevated high blood pressure and possible | sedation. These were the reasons I quit taking it two weeks | ago, and went back to Prozac – for the additional pep, and also | because I stated taking stronger stims which also elevate BP. | | Could either of these be the unusual side effect? | | John | | | | | Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. | Up to 100 minutes free! | http://www.keen.com |
I have very low blood pressure by nature (must be the curly hair lol). I guess with the meds , my BP is normal.
Nah, it’s not the curly hair, mine’s straight and my normal BP is 80/58. — Ann
Effexor has helped many people with ADD+anxiety. I found it helpful until an unusual side effect stopped me from using it.
<snipped I’m curious as to what was the "unusual side effect" that caused you to stop taking Effexor? (I’m curious only because I too get an unusual [and annoying] side effect from my Effexor [which, btw, has been added to my Dexedrine, with positive results for my attention deficit]; a side effect that has me wishing there was something equivalent out there that could provide me with the same benefits as Effexor, but without this one distractingly uncomfortable side effect.) Sodah
I take Effexor for different reasons then you but I’m curious about the side effects you are taking about. I started to take Effexor because of depression due to the M.S.. The one thing I liked about the drug was the lack of side effects. So I’m real curious to find out about the side effects you have. They might be caused by the combo of the meds your currently on. Take care! — Annie
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| Effexor has helped many people with ADD+anxiety. I found it helpful | until an unusual side effect stopped me from using it. | | <snipped | | I’m curious as to what was the "unusual side effect" that caused you to stop | taking Effexor? | | (I’m curious only because I too get an unusual [and annoying] side effect | from my Effexor [which, btw, has been added to my Dexedrine, with positive | results for my attention deficit]; a side effect that has me wishing there | was something equivalent out there that could provide me with the same | benefits as Effexor, but without this one distractingly uncomfortable side | effect.) | | Sodah | |
Effexor can cause elevated high blood pressure and possible sedation. These were the reasons I quit taking it two weeks ago, and went back to Prozac – for the additional pep, and also because I stated taking stronger stims which also elevate BP. Could either of these be the unusual side effect? John Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Self injure?? Like what, if I may ask? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I thought that I would post this and see if anyone else has noticed anything like this. In addition to having ADD, I have clinical depression and severe anxiety. I found that Adderall was like a miracle for my anxiety, because it took away so many of the racing thoughts and ruminations in my head. However, my most difficult time has always been at night. I used to have panic attacks so badly that I would hyperventilate and faint. Well, even though Adderall seems to be the best med. for this, I was told that I couldn’t take it at night, as it might interfere with the onset of sleep. So, my psychiatrist added Xanax for nighttime. Well, even though it seemed to help the anxiety, it actually kept me awake instead of putting me to sleep. It also made me severely depressed and apathetic, to the point where I began to self-injure; something that I hadn’t done for a long, long time. Needless to say, I went right off of it. Anyway, several weeks ago, my psychiatrist put me on the anti-depressant Effexor, saying that it would help with my ADD and anxiety, as well as the depression. Because it acts on norepinepherine as well as serotonin, it’s a good adjunct to stimulants in ADD/ADHD people. Anyways, it has been amazing! After only a week of taking Effexor XR 75mg/day(in the morning), my nighttime anxiety was nearly gone! I also noticed that I didn’t get nearly as irritable when my Adderall wore off in the evening. I used to hate the dropoff that I noticed with my stimulant, and now I can hardly detect it. It just feels like the Effexor has smoothed out my day. I don’t have the peaks and valleys that I had while I was just on Adderall. I am feeling a lot more even. I just thought I would see if anyone else has had an experience with Effexor and ADD. Ciao! -Emily
– Colette
Hi, I thought that I would post this and see if anyone else has noticed anything like this. In addition to having ADD, I have clinical depression and severe anxiety. I found that Adderall was like a miracle for my anxiety, because it took away so many of the racing thoughts and ruminations in my head. However, my most difficult time has always been at night. I used to have panic attacks so badly that I would hyperventilate and faint. Well, even though Adderall seems to be the best med. for this, I was told that I couldn’t take it at night, as it might interfere with the onset of sleep. So, my psychiatrist added Xanax for nighttime. Well, even though it seemed to help the anxiety, it actually kept me awake instead of putting me to sleep. It also made me severely depressed and apathetic, to the point where I began to self-injure; something that I hadn’t done for a long, long time. Needless to say, I went right off of it. Anyway, several weeks ago, my psychiatrist put me on the anti-depressant Effexor, saying that it would help with my ADD and anxiety, as well as the depression. Because it acts on norepinepherine as well as serotonin, it’s a good adjunct to stimulants in ADD/ADHD people. Anyways, it has been amazing! After only a week of taking Effexor XR 75mg/day(in the morning), my nighttime anxiety was nearly gone! I also noticed that I didn’t get nearly as irritable when my Adderall wore off in the evening. I used to hate the dropoff that I noticed with my stimulant, and now I can hardly detect it. It just feels like the Effexor has smoothed out my day. I don’t have the peaks and valleys that I had while I was just on Adderall. I am feeling a lot more even. I just thought I would see if anyone else has had an experience with Effexor and ADD. Ciao! -Emily
I could drink coffee with no problem on Paxil and Zoloft. So far I have been able to resume since I’ve been on Effexor. I’m afraid it will lead to anxiety.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof
Dute de dute..de dute ..de de…(repeat 10 times and go to next poster) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Caffeine blocks absorption of most meds.. You might as well not take them if you’re going to drink coffee with them. -Rob Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof
I drink instant, five talbespoons per cup with a half pint of cream. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I drink about a gallon of strong, black coffee a day. Rarely drink it after 12 noon, when I switch to iced tea. jen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
Further, and unrelated to what I’m direclty replying to, here are some excerpts from Topic 6.3 in "The Owner’s Manual for the Brain" by Pierce J. Howard with additional information about caffeine: "Caffeine belongs to a class of compounds called methylxanthines, along with theophylline and theobromine, all of which have the ability to trick the brain into thinking they are the neurotransmitter adenosine. Adenosine is a relaxant that is required to restore the central nervous system from sympathetic to parasympathetic arousal, or from stress to relaxation. By finding adenosine receptor sites, caffeine blocks the relaxig effects of adenosine and maintains high arousal." "Caffene’s arousing properties were found to be associated not only with mental alertness, but also with physical endurance". "It inhibits phosphodiesterase (PDE). PDE is an enzyme that breaks down adenosine, so inhibiting PDE makes more adenosine available. This results in psychmotor stimulation, increased alertness, faster heart rate, and faster breathing. Excessive arousal appears to result in errors of commission (for example, typographical errors), whereas deficient arousal appears to result in errors of omission (for example, skipping a paragraph while typing)." "If the less impulsive person consumes caffeinated beverages upon waking, he or she will tend to perform poorly on complex mental tasks. If the more impulsive person tries a complex mental task upon waking before consuming a caffeinated beverage, he or she will tend to perform poorly. Toward the end of the day, this pattern switches: in the evening, less impulsive people perform complex mental tasks better with a hit of caffeine,; more impulsive people perform complex tasks better without it." "Some of these compounds [in caffeine] are antioxidants, the chmicals that disarm (or bind) free radicals and inhibit their insatiable appetite for vital cell membranes." "Ten grams is a lethal dose, while for small children 35 milligrams per kilogram of body weight is toxic." "Consumption of 400 to 500 milligrams of caffeine per day is associated wtih dependence. Symptoms of caffeine dependence are diarrhea, nausea, light-headedness, irregular heartbeat, irritability, and insomnia." "The arousal effects of one cup of caffeinated coffee last about 6 hours but vary according to the individual." "Women who drink coffee are less likely to commit suicide than those who don’t according to a report in the Archives of internal Medicine." "Coffee has a dark side: the DSM-IV includes four caffeeine-related diagnoses: caffeine intoxication, caffeine-related anxiety disorder, caffeine-related sleep disorder, and (in the appendix) caffeine withdrawl. In addition to these problems, caffeine, a stimulant, can wreak havok with calming prescription drugs such as antidepressants, antianxiety medications, and neuroleptic tranquilizers." "Higher caffeine consumption was found to be correlated with lower academic perfrormance." "Check out the newsgroup alt.drugs.caffeine on the Internet for furth information and discussion. A FAQ (frequently asked questions) file is available. It is maintained by Alex Lopex-Ortiz at the University of [all this from pages 111-115 of the book] On that note, with the last quote.. I’d suggest any caffeine discussions be taken there, and you look for similar symptoms within that group. -Rob
etched permanently in the ether: BUT I understand that the amount of caffeine in chocolate is not high, and it may not be in "chocolate flavoring" at all.
From my phsych pharm class–a long time ago: It takes 5 to 10 cups of coffee per day to become addicted to the caffeine. It takes a LOT less of Mountain Dew or other similar drinks. It takes a pound of chocolate a day to get enough caffeine to risk addiction. HOWEVER, chocolate also contains theobromine a stronger stimulant than caffeine–so be aware of this fact. Nancy
Caffeine blocks absorption of most meds.. You might as well not take them if you’re going to drink coffee with them. -Rob
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof
I think the zoloft made you manic.. it’s a mood-"upper".. -Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sometimes noticed coffee making me a bit manic for an hour or two. That happened when I had started Zoloft (sertraline). Hasa Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof
I drink about a gallon of strong, black coffee a day. Rarely drink it after 12 noon, when I switch to iced tea. jen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
Interestingly enough, I was completely caffiene-free for five years preceding and throughout my first manic episode. For that matter, I was a complete health nut…. had given up smoking for 7 years, ran 3-5 miles daily, lifted weights, drank no caffienated beverages, and ate a vegetarian diet of whole grains. It really perplexed my G.P….. he kept offering the standard insomnia advice to "eat well, exercise early in the day, stay away from caffiene" yet still I could not sleep. These days, I am smoking a pack a day again, eating meat, don’t ever exercise, and drink gallons of coffee. Go figure. jen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
Rob, who told you that? Where did that information come from? Please explain that and where you got that from. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively. Beware of steroids!! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof
I found coffee made me too jittery and irritable when I was taking Wellbutrin. On the other hand, it helped modify the fatigue caused by my SSRI, Luvox
I love my strong stuff in the morning — two cups. Then probably 2 cups of the kaka they have at work. After that, my insides can’t take anymore and I have to switch to water….. But I love the stuff! — Eileen [The world will go as it wills; not as you or I would have it. MZB]
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I don’t drink coffee..but I do LOVE caffeine! That’s why, for those morning’s I wake up achy and grogy with a "dull" headache..I grab Anacin, as besides ASA, it also has caffiene in it. It’s been a lifesaver sometimes, especially after a "night out". Plus, I find often on medications, you don’t get that "complete..refreshed" sleep. Even with just a few hours sleep..it has held me for at least the morning! James:-) — "Dying is only one thing to be sad over. Living unhappily is something else." Morrie Schwartz "We must love one another or perish. Not physically,but spiritually and socially." W.H. Auden "Some day we will wave hello…and wish we’d never waved goodbye…"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love my strong stuff in the morning — two cups. Then probably 2 cups of the kaka they have at work. After that, my insides can’t take anymore and I have to switch to water….. But I love the stuff! — Eileen [The world will go as it wills; not as you or I would have it. MZB] Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof
Robbie, P.J. Howard is old hat, such a bore. please.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Further, and unrelated to what I’m direclty replying to, here are some excerpts from Topic 6.3 in "The Owner’s Manual for the Brain" by Pierce J. Howard with additional information about caffeine: "Caffeine belongs to a class of compounds called methylxanthines, along with theophylline and theobromine, all of which have the ability to trick the brain into thinking they are the neurotransmitter adenosine. Adenosine is a relaxant that is required to restore the central nervous system from sympathetic to parasympathetic arousal, or from stress to relaxation. By finding adenosine receptor sites, caffeine blocks the relaxig effects of adenosine and maintains high arousal." "Caffene’s arousing properties were found to be associated not only with mental alertness, but also with physical endurance". "It inhibits phosphodiesterase (PDE). PDE is an enzyme that breaks down adenosine, so inhibiting PDE makes more adenosine available. This results in psychmotor stimulation, increased alertness, faster heart rate, and faster breathing. Excessive arousal appears to result in errors of commission (for example, typographical errors), whereas deficient arousal appears to result in errors of omission (for example, skipping a paragraph while typing)." "If the less impulsive person consumes caffeinated beverages upon waking, he or she will tend to perform poorly on complex mental tasks. If the more impulsive person tries a complex mental task upon waking before consuming a caffeinated beverage, he or she will tend to perform poorly. Toward the end of the day, this pattern switches: in the evening, less impulsive people perform complex mental tasks better with a hit of caffeine,; more impulsive people perform complex tasks better without it." "Some of these compounds [in caffeine] are antioxidants, the chmicals that disarm (or bind) free radicals and inhibit their insatiable appetite for vital cell membranes." "Ten grams is a lethal dose, while for small children 35 milligrams per kilogram of body weight is toxic." "Consumption of 400 to 500 milligrams of caffeine per day is associated wtih dependence. Symptoms of caffeine dependence are diarrhea, nausea, light-headedness, irregular heartbeat, irritability, and insomnia." "The arousal effects of one cup of caffeinated coffee last about 6 hours but vary according to the individual." "Women who drink coffee are less likely to commit suicide than those who don’t according to a report in the Archives of internal Medicine." "Coffee has a dark side: the DSM-IV includes four caffeeine-related diagnoses: caffeine intoxication, caffeine-related anxiety disorder, caffeine-related sleep disorder, and (in the appendix) caffeine withdrawl. In addition to these problems, caffeine, a stimulant, can wreak havok with calming prescription drugs such as antidepressants, antianxiety medications, and neuroleptic tranquilizers." "Higher caffeine consumption was found to be correlated with lower academic perfrormance." "Check out the newsgroup alt.drugs.caffeine on the Internet for furth information and discussion. A FAQ (frequently asked questions) file is available. It is maintained by Alex Lopex-Ortiz at the University of [all this from pages 111-115 of the book] On that note, with the last quote.. I’d suggest any caffeine discussions be taken there, and you look for similar symptoms within that group. -Rob
It takes a pound of chocolate a day to get enough caffeine to risk addiction.
- so that’s the amount I need to eat – sheesh I’ve been playing in the shallows – (really NOT SERIOUS!) HOWEVER, chocolate also contains theobromine a stronger stimulant than caffeine–so be aware of this fact.
- an added bonus – er now how many stairs will I need to climb to work off the excess cals? (if anything would make me appear manic I suspect that would). — Anne Marshall
: I am down to one cup a day. I love it. <snipped I don’t know what the connection is between bipolar and caffeine, but somewhere along the line there was an extreme change in my sensitivity to caffeine. Could it be a medication invoked reaction? Coffee I limit to one weak cup with breakfast sometimes, Get more from cola’s, two colas will make me sicker than a dog, wired for a few hours. Vern
Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof
I have ONE cup in the morning. Anything that would trigger a mania is amplified with coffee or any caffeine product. And watch the vitamin b-12–see my post–if you like that kind of a boost–b-12 will do it. <g Nancy
SO THATS WHAT WAS WRONG ALL THESE YEARS,,,MIXING ALL THOSE COFFEES WITH MY ZOLOFT! cimpson2
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I guess I’d say that my mixing could include coffee, neurontin, lamictal, buspar and klonipin-I drink them down with coffee every morning. -Thumper