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Does Flovent cause mouth thrush or yeast infections? I am just starting using it. Is there any way to avoid it past washing your mouth out? Should I gargle lysterine or something to slear all the meds out?

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Someone recommended eating 1/2 cup yogurt daily.  I also rinse with perioxide which seems to help.  niasha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does Flovent cause mouth thrush or yeast infections? I am just starting using it. Is there any way to avoid it past washing your mouth out? Should I gargle lysterine or something to slear all the meds out?

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I just brush my teeth and rinse really well after I take my meds, including flovent.  I haven’t had any problems yet.

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Hi James, Does Flovent cause mouth thrush or yeast infections? I am just starting using it. Is there any way to avoid it past washing your mouth out? Should I gargle lysterine or something to slear all the meds out?

The best thing you can do to avoid thrush from steroid inhalers is to  use a spacer device like the Aerochamber.  It breaks the medication down a bit and stops the medication from hitting the back of your mouth. You might notice that when you use a steroid inhaler, you get a nasty taste in your mouth – this usually means that most of the medication has hit the back of your mouth and that you did not inhale deeply enough to get it into your lungs. I would strongly recommend: Getting a spacer Asking your doctor, pharmacist or a Respiratory Therapist to demonstrate the correct use of a spacer Rinsing your mouth out everytime you use the medication (even with the spacer). You do not really need listerine….just rinsing with water has always done the trick for me.  Of course, after you have thrush, you probably do need to use Listerine or Scope.

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People get thrush when they don’t rinse because the medicine is intended for the lungs not the mouth.  In the mouth it breaks down the immune system and throws off the natural balance allowing an opportunity for the yeast (which is normal to be there) to take over and become over abundant. If you rinse with listerine you further break down the natural defenses and allow the yeast an even greater opportunity. Joann RT – Ft. Lauderdale, FL

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi James, Does Flovent cause mouth thrush or yeast infections? I am just starting using it. Is there any way to avoid it past washing your mouth out? Should I gargle lysterine or something to slear all the meds out? The best thing you can do to avoid thrush from steroid inhalers is to  use a spacer device like the Aerochamber.  It breaks the medication down a bit and stops the medication from hitting the back of your mouth. You might notice that when you use a steroid inhaler, you get a nasty taste in your mouth – this usually means that most of the medication has hit the back of your mouth and that you did not inhale deeply enough to get it into your lungs. I would strongly recommend: Getting a spacer Asking your doctor, pharmacist or a Respiratory Therapist to demonstrate the correct use of a spacer Rinsing your mouth out everytime you use the medication (even with the spacer). You do not really need listerine….just rinsing with water has always done the trick for me.  Of course, after you have thrush, you probably do need to use Listerine or Scope.

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Interesting post I read here but no one expanded on the subject.  What is the opinion of inhaled steroids and weight gain?  I would like every ones opinion whether weight actually increases using inhaled vs oral steroids.

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Interesting post I read here but no one expanded on the subject.  What is the opinion of inhaled steroids and weight gain?  I would like every ones opinion whether weight actually increases using inhaled vs oral steroids.

Weight gain is a common side effect of oral steroids.  The chances of a steroid side effect is proportional to the dose – the greater the dose, the greater the chance of side effects.  IIRC the rule of thumb is that once the daily dose of inhaled steroid goes over 1000 micrograms, there is a chance of side effects. However as in all things relating to asthma and asthma medications: ‘Your milage may vary.’ "…there is always a well-known solution to every human problem–neat, plausible, and wrong."    H. L. Mencken

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Oral steriods like Prednisone definitely cause sudden weight gain and haven’t heard any convincing evidence that inhaled steriods do not. I have put on considerable weight since on Flovent 220 mcg and wonder if it might be to blame. Anyone else? Dana

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I take Advair, in the lowest dose, but I have lost weight.  

Same thing with me. I was beginning to think I was a lone ranger.

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I use the Advair Diskus and I also have lost weight.

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I’m on 2000mcg inhaled steroid per day with short weekly courses of 30mg every day when required (usually every two / three months or so). Much as I’d like to blame my weight gain on the above, and I’m sure it does play some small part, I think the main reason for being my being overweight whilst taking steroids is that I find it hard to exercise without getting out of breath and wheezy, get depressed from not being as active as I’d like, and hence use food as comfort. I’m kidding myself if I think I can just blame it on the steroids.

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I take Advair, in the lowest dose, but I have lost weight.  I lift weights and work out 3 times a week.  I have lost 20 lbs since I started to work out.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting post I read here but no one expanded on the subject.  What is the opinion of inhaled steroids and weight gain?  I would like every ones opinion whether weight actually increases using inhaled vs oral steroids.

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My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition.

I was put on Biaxin-Prisolic and Pepto Bismal for a thirty day treatment to cure my H-Pylori and reduce my acid reflux with success. I was and am still on 800mg daily of Tagamet daily which so far has kept me under control.

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Can I ask a sort of follow up question? I have asthma and reflux problems treated by prilosec. The question I have is "What is the long term effects of taking prilosec for a long time ( at least a year with no end in sight)?"

When Prilosec first came out there was a concern that long term administration may lead to B12 deficiency and possibly gastric cancer. Fortunately, after 20 or so years of use this seems to not be the case. It appears to be safe for long term use. — CBI, MD

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My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition. I was put on Biaxin-Prisolic and Pepto Bismal for a thirty day treatment to cure my H-Pylori and reduce my acid reflux with success. I was and am still on 800mg daily of Tagamet daily which so far has kept me under control.

Treating H. pylori in duodenal and many peptic ulcers seems to be beneficial. It is questionable whether it is worthwhile in gastritis. The current thinking is that treating it makes reflux worse as often as better. The theory is that the chronic inflammation of the stomach may cause lower acid secretion, thus helping the reflux. Unfortunately, it also slightly increases the risk of gastric cancer. I’m glad you got better. I would guess that either the stomach inflammation was causing as much of your symptoms as the GERD, that the acid blockade alone helped the reflux, or that you are one of the lucky ones who’s reflux was actually helped and not worsened by eradicating the H. pylori. — CBI, MD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me  that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured  and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also  add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months No. There is some literature that the pharmacy plans love to quote when telling the docs to try to lower the intensity of acid suppression by switching to the cheaper H2 blockers like Zantac, Tagamet, or Pepcid after 8 weeks on a proton pump inhibitor (Prilosec). I have not heard anyone advocate just stopping the meds altogether. Even the insurers who pay for the meds do not suggest this. My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition. or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now. Yes. Should I get another opinion? You could either try it and go back and say "I told you so" if and when the symptoms worsen or you can get a second opinion. A third option would be to ask if you can just step down to a med like Zantac instead and then stop it if you continue to do well. I would be a little concerned that your new doc seems to be getting his continuing medical education from the drug rep and insurer literature and then getting it wrong at that.

Can I ask a sort of follow up question? I have asthma and reflux problems treated by prilosec. The question I have is "What is the long term effects of taking prilosec for a long time ( at least a year with no end in sight)?" J. Freedman,Jr

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with asthma about a year ago, though I’ve likely had it for several years at least.  After a couple of pretty severe asthma attacks, I was put on Albuterol inhaler and Flovent.  I did pretty well for a few months, but started having increased problems in the past three months with constant wheezing, especially at night, requiring almost daily night-time use of my rescue inhaler. During that time, I was diagnosed via upper endoscopy as having reflux. Apparently I’ve actually had it for a long time because there was a lot of scarring at the junction between the esophagus and stomach.  I was put on Prilosec which did not only help the epigastric pain I’d been having, but seemed to help the shortness of breath I’d been having at night (though it hasn’t made it completely go away either). Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now. Should I get another opinion? Sandra

I’ve been using prilosec for about three years now.  This year my insurance company (a colorful one) informed me that they would only allow me three months of prilosec and a non-sedating antihistamine.  The prilosec worked wonderfully, even a late-night pizza caused no discomfort.  However, my reflux hasn’t been cured.  This last winter, being out of work for four weeks after foot surgery, I discovered that my reflux had disappeared, I even ate a late-night pizza to test it and had no problems.  About four days before going back to work the reflux reappeared!  My conclusion was that it was stress related.  I’m also taking singulair and I believe it has been helpful also.  Although I’ve been getting allergy shots for three years now and feel they have helped as well.  It’s hard to put my finger on the exact cause for the reduction of my asthma.  I’ve weaned myself down to two puffs of serevent at night, the singulair, allergy shots and only rarely a puff or two of albuterol.  I have been trying to wean myself off of the prilosec, taking it only every second or third night.  I notice a bit of reflux but can control that fairly well with only an antacid.

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I was diagnosed with asthma about a year ago, though I’ve likely had it for several years at least.  After a couple of pretty severe asthma attacks, I was put on Albuterol inhaler and Flovent.  I did pretty well for a few months, but started having increased problems in the past three months with constant wheezing, especially at night, requiring almost daily night-time use of my rescue inhaler.   During that time, I was diagnosed via upper endoscopy as having reflux. Apparently I’ve actually had it for a long time because there was a lot of scarring at the junction between the esophagus and stomach.  I was put on Prilosec which did not only help the epigastric pain I’d been having, but seemed to help the shortness of breath I’d been having at night (though it hasn’t made it completely go away either).   Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now. Should I get another opinion? Sandra

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Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months

No. There is some literature that the pharmacy plans love to quote when telling the docs to try to lower the intensity of acid suppression by switching to the cheaper H2 blockers like Zantac, Tagamet, or Pepcid after 8 weeks on a proton pump inhibitor (Prilosec). I have not heard anyone advocate just stopping the meds altogether. Even the insurers who pay for the meds do not suggest this. My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition. or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now.

Yes. Should I get another opinion?

You could either try it and go back and say "I told you so" if and when the symptoms worsen or you can get a second opinion. A third option would be to ask if you can just step down to a med like Zantac instead and then stop it if you continue to do well. I would be a little concerned that your new doc seems to be getting his continuing medical education from the drug rep and insurer literature and then getting it wrong at that. — CBI, MD

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I saw a cardiologist today, & got an echocardiogram. It’s major heart failure. Some more tests will be done, then it’s probably defibrilator?(restarts heart?)  or heart transplant, or just meds while I wait for a heart donor. This super sux! Had I been told about all the dangers, probable harm done, ongoing expenses, pain & suffering, ….. ongoing major wastes of time, resources, & effort, …… before I went through the regular govt-regulated cancer cr*p-care, ….. then I’d probably have opted out of it, & tried something else. There has to be something better than this total BS, and the extreme lack of quality medical testing & care afterwards. Maybe it looks better on the oncologist’s reports, to say "the cancer patient died after successfully completing chemo & rads", ….. rather than say "the cancer treatments were worse than the cancer could have been", & caused heart failure & multiple other serious health problems, which killed the patient? The cardiologist thinks that the cancer treatments are responsible for destroying my heart. I think that the injuries of Jan. 1998, damaged my heart, ….. & that the chemo treatments (esp. Arimidex), did more damage. Cancer care has proved a major betrayal of trust. It’s been like pulling teeth, to get any testing & diagnosis of the severe difficulties breathing, which has now proved to be congestive heart failure, ….. & to get to see a cardiologist. I had an echocardiogram done earlier today (7:30 AM) in Longview, but the results never came in, so we had to do another one locally, late this afternoon. Nothing works right here!  It’s a constant battle to get anything done, esp. concerning health care. Avoid Texas & Louisiana when seeking health care. The quality controls/etc. are NOT enforced here. [The Texas State Board of Medical Examiners, like most other govt agencies here, is a bad joke.] The laws have been set-up/rigged, so you can’t sue the bad docs, hospitals & such, regardless. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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Sure does!! Seems like one physical problem should be the limit for a person. Good luck!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a cardiologist today, & got an echocardiogram. It’s major heart failure. Some more tests will be done, then it’s probably defibrilator?(restarts heart?)  or heart transplant, or just meds while I wait for a heart donor. This super sux! Had I been told about all the dangers, probable harm done, ongoing expenses, pain & suffering, ….. ongoing major wastes of time, resources, & effort, …… before I went through the regular govt-regulated cancer cr*p-care, ….. then I’d probably have opted out of it, & tried something else. There has to be something better than this total BS, and the extreme lack of quality medical testing & care afterwards. Maybe it looks better on the oncologist’s reports, to say "the cancer patient died after successfully completing chemo & rads", ….. rather than say "the cancer treatments were worse than the cancer could have been", & caused heart failure & multiple other serious health problems, which killed the patient? The cardiologist thinks that the cancer treatments are responsible for destroying my heart. I think that the injuries of Jan. 1998, damaged my heart, ….. & that the chemo treatments (esp. Arimidex), did more damage. Cancer care has proved a major betrayal of trust. It’s been like pulling teeth, to get any testing & diagnosis of the severe difficulties breathing, which has now proved to be congestive heart failure, ….. & to get to see a cardiologist. I had an echocardiogram done earlier today (7:30 AM) in Longview, but the results never came in, so we had to do another one locally, late this afternoon. Nothing works right here!  It’s a constant battle to get anything done, esp. concerning health care. Avoid Texas & Louisiana when seeking health care. The quality controls/etc. are NOT enforced here. [The Texas State Board of Medical Examiners, like most other govt agencies here, is a bad joke.] The laws have been set-up/rigged, so you can’t sue the bad docs, hospitals & such, regardless. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a cardiologist today, & got an echocardiogram. It’s major heart failure. Some more tests will be done, then it’s probably defibrilator?(restarts heart?)  or heart transplant, or just meds while I wait for a heart donor. This super sux! Had I been told about all the dangers, probable harm done, ongoing expenses, pain & suffering, ….. ongoing major wastes of time, resources, & effort, …… before I went through the regular govt-regulated cancer cr*p-care, ….. then I’d probably have opted out of it, & tried something else. There has to be something better than this total BS, and the extreme lack of quality medical testing & care afterwards. Maybe it looks better on the oncologist’s reports, to say "the cancer patient died after successfully completing chemo & rads", ….. rather than say "the cancer treatments were worse than the cancer could have been", & caused heart failure & multiple other serious health problems, which killed the patient? The cardiologist thinks that the cancer treatments are responsible for destroying my heart.

Adriamycin? Eva

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Adriamycin? I think it was that & Taxol, but I’d have to go back & check the Google archives. However, the chemo seemed as nothing, when compared to the severe adverse effects of Arimidex. Arimidex super-inflamed my whole body, itching, burning, hurting (pain beyond belief), …. I couldn’t stand up without collapsing, couldn’t breathe, couldn’t walk & function (usually had to keep trying all day, to be able to get up & do anything) ….. super-bad chemically-induced depression, which got worse when I tried to move around & do things. Arimidex went to every injury & super-reinflamed them, plus it went to most of the uninjured parts & super-inflamed them too. It weakened just about everything, so that when I tried to walk, it would injure the muscles & such in my foot, ankle, leg, …. my wrist, hand, fingers would get very sore & inflamed. For me, Arimidex was a nightmare. After about 18 months, the Arimidex caused sudden acute lymphedema, …. which condition lessened a great deal once I stopped taking Arimidex. After it swelled, the arm was so painful, itching, burning, ….. that I would react on a primitive level with "cut it off", "gnaw it off", anything, "just get it off", …. & have to stop myself. It was that bad. Shortly after that, despite the doc’s warnings & his constant strong denials ["It is Not the Arimidex."], I stopped taking Arimidex. I learned that much of the damage done by Armidex, is not reversible. It destroys most normal feelings in the body. I was very concerned that these side effects had not been reported, until the oncologist smirked & said (finally admitted), ….. that the adverse reactions I was having, were normal with Arimidex, that they were common. ?! The docs just meet & know us for a short while, but their relationship with the PHARMA companies (& their expensive & harm-filled drugs) goes on & on. At the Cancer Center in Longview, there’s a room devoted to this, to the PHARMA experiments, ….. which I did NOT choose to be a part of, but was (Arimidex). It will be interesting to learn which cancer drug is the most responsible for causing the major heart failure. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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Su-Texas, could you not have switched to Tamoxifen rather than remain bedridden for 18 months? I do know two people who had side-effects from Arimidex, one decided to take Tamoxifen, and the other decided to take neither. To the best of my knowledge they are still doing well. The doc refused to switch me, until the very end, & the other estrogen-blocker-stuff had similar bad effects. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Arimidex super-inflamed my whole body, itching, burning, hurting (pain beyond belief), …. I couldn’t stand up without collapsing, couldn’t breathe, couldn’t walk & function (usually had to keep trying all day, to be able to get up & do anything) ….. super-bad chemically-induced depression, which got worse when I tried to move around & do things. Arimidex went to every injury & super-reinflamed them, plus it went to most of the uninjured parts & super-inflamed them too. It weakened just about everything, so that when I tried to walk, it would injure the muscles & such in my foot, ankle, leg, …. my wrist, hand, fingers would get very sore & inflamed. For me, Arimidex was a nightmare. After about 18 months, the Arimidex caused sudden acute lymphedema, …. which condition lessened a great deal once I stopped taking Arimidex.

Su-Texas,  could you not have switched to Tamoxifen rather than remain bedridden for 18 months? I do know two people who had side-effects from Arimidex, one decided to take Tamoxifen, and the other decided to take neither.  To the best of my knowledge they are still doing well. Marilyn

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Avoid Texas & Louisiana The best I can remember, Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, is heavily involved in using/testing Arimidex, ….. so they’ll push it regardless, no matter how much harm it’s doing. Avoid Universities It’s best to avoid the universities (medical schools) if at all possible, when seeking medical care, …… mostly because of their special interests (PHARMA grant money for the school, students & professors), …… their over-pushing of whatever experimental drugs they’re paid to, …… & their use of students (the un- or under-skilled) as doctors. Many doctors can’t do a semi-decent job of medical care, much less students. And at Parkland/Aston/SWMed in Dallas, they basically let their students run wild, ….. run some clinics, such a Spine & Joint, without adult/teacher supervision. ?! The profs would rather be elsewhere. It’s shocking how bad (a total waste of time & $$$, how lacking & harmful) the medical care at universities can be. I can’t see how Parkland could get a good rating anywhere, esp. not in Best Hospitals. ?!  It’s a charity hospital in Dallas, that’s run as such. The area & bldgs are quite dangerous, esp. riding the elevators. No quality care for patients who do have money or good insurance. It’s one lie, meanness & run-around after another, while you get no medical care for years. And they do NOT care about complaints. Since Medicare & other insurance companies have agreed to pay docs, no matter how bad, inferior, or lacking the care, …… there’s no quality control. For the most part, you can’t convince the insurance Not to pay. This needs to be changed. The laws which prevent us from suing the docs, & which limit damages, also need to be changed. There needs to be some accountability, for the major misconduct, fraud & harm being done by the doctors, universities, hospitals. Since the Breast Clinic at Methodist Hospital in Houston, is run by the Baylor College of Medicine there, ….. it’s Not going to be a good place for info or help. M D Anderson was worse. LSU (a charity hospital) much, much worse. What I was told, is that Baylor/Methodist & MDA work on the same projects for the PHARMA companies, so there’s not much difference in the two, ….. except that people with good insurance or with money, choose Methodist. Both places have proved losers. Avoid Texas & Louisiana if at all possible, when seeking health care. Political Fraud & Graft/Greed When politicians want to waste taxpayer money in large amounts, then they’ll hire their buddies to build something, usually badly, ….. such as the unnecessary bombing out & then "rebuilding" (ain’t gonna happen) of Iraq, …… such as the building & promotion of the huge Texas Medical Center in Houston, ….. such as the building of rehabilitation centers around Texas, which are basically holding-cells for the injured, rather than places to get testing, diagnosis & good care, ….. such as building schools. Just because MDA or any other place is billed as "good" by the media (by another university), ….. does Not make it so. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions PS   Some Justice Please! At this point, I feel very angry & hurt, very badly betrayed by the MDs & their ongoing BS, their lies, cons, swindles. I think the oncologists should be force-ted their own poisons, then put in stocks on the public square for people to spit at, throw things at, pee on, jeer. They deserve no respect, no rewards, for the harm they’re doing. They deserve only the worse. And I’m hoping & praying, they get it, both in this life & the next. May they suffer horribly, fester & rot in their own vile/bile. May the spirits of those they’ve horribly harmed & murdered, haunt them for the rest of their days, ….. & be waiting to grab & rip their sorry souls apart in the most painful of ways, at their moment of death, ….. to torture & punish them for all eternity & beyond. May these hellish, lying, thieving vermin (docs) from hell, never know one moment’s peace. May they face only justice without mercy.

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Adriamycin? I think it was that & Taxol, but I’d have to go back & check the Google archives. However, the chemo seemed as nothing, when compared to the severe adverse effects of Arimidex. <snip It will be interesting to learn which cancer drug is the most responsible for causing the major heart failure.

Well, Adriamycin a/k/a doxirubicin is *known* to be "cardiotoxic."  Unlike you, I was warned of this before I started taking it.  So is Herceptin, which is why I first asked you about that.  My oncologist is very careful about this and keeps checking me and sending me for tests whenever I am taking these drugs. When you mentioned the words "heart transplant," that’s when I thought of Adria, because I have read stories of women needing heart transplants years after taking it.  In fact, one of those stories was posted here last year, it was from the NY Times IIRC and was about a Christian couple whose marriage vows were being severely tested by the aftereffects of the wife’s breast cancer treatment. I’m not being sarcastic here, Susan, but do you ever read the "patient information" brochure or look it up on rxlist.com before you take a drug? Even though, as I said, my oncologist conscientiously warns me about possible side effects, I still take the time to look everything up before I ingest it. Eva

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CHF is usually very easy to diagnosis via chest xray. http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=330 Sorry to hear about your new diagnosis. I don’t know if this is related to your breast cancer. Alex —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. At the ER, I begged & pleaded & gasped, struggling desperately to hold on, ….. to get them to test for & find what’s wrong. The ERs have refused to do so, since Jan. 1998. Yesterday morning, the docs, including my cancer doc (oncologist), refused to see or help me, even though it was an emergency.  I couldn’t breathe. [One GP said he'd see me at 11 AM (but that I'd have to sit & wait for an opening then, which I could not do), ..... but that it would be best to go to local ER.  The local ER (ETMC) is referred to here as "the death trap", so I wasn't going there.] Most ERs here are death traps, dangerous, ….. & places to be avoided at all costs. So it was a major betrayal that no doc would help or refer me, or intercede for me yesterday, & I had to go to an ER. Usually the docs game plan seems to be, to act as determinedly dumb & dastardly as possible, to say/do/advise the wrong things, to delay & cost you the most $$$ possible, until you suffer to death horribly, in the most traumatic & terrifying ways. It’s the Medical Industry (govt, corporate & PHARMA run), NOT medical care. It’s also dangerous to go to an ER alone here. I was assaulted by an ER doc [Raymond J0rdan] in Oct. 2000 at the local ER. He seemed to get off on it, to enjoy doing harm, doing serious harm. He dislocated my C1 disc, & the brain is now collapsing on it. He looked surprised afterwards, probably that this hadn’t killed me. He was/is a DO, not an MD. The nurses just stand there & watch, & then refuse to testify later. It’s a major betrayal, but also typical of basic/primitive human nature. Since many ERs here hire rotate-a-docs, ….. that is, any doc whom a service can recruit (from all over Texas & from neighboring states), & bring in to work a shift at an ER, ….. the ERs are very dangerous. It was difficult to go to an ER yesterday, & try to beg & negotiate for help. Yesterday morning, I phoned a pulmonary specialist I’d seen a few months back, & his workers told me to go to the Good Shepherd ER & ask for him to come. This does help to get care at ERs, if they think you can get a specialist there, ….. that is, if the ER docs refuse to or can’t test & diagnose. So, when the ER doc seemed reluctant, & said that he probably wouldn’t find what the other docs couldn’t, ….. I’d ask him again to call in the specialist. And I’d remind him, that it (the specialist, the testing & diagnosis) needed to be called/ordered before 5 PM, …. or the specialist might not come, & testing not get done. I’d remind him that I was in such bad shape, I probably couldn’t make it back to Longview again. Whatever, ….. it worked. I got some testing & a diagnosis this time. It seems that this (CHF) is what has been wrong, since I fell (hit pavement & slid) in Jan. 1998, ….. but the docs refused to see or diagnose it, & they called it acute chronic bronchitis, recurring sinus infections, gastrointestinal distress, etc. CHF must be extremely difficult to see or diagnose, …. since hundreds of doctors, including those at the universities in Texas & Louisiana, have kept missing it since Jan. 1998. I was also put through surgeries & cancer treatments (2001 through 2003), while in congestive heart failure. The docs have sold me a lot of PHARMA cr*p over the years, INSTEAD OF diagnosing what I had & selling me what I needed. They’ve stood back & watched me suffer & beg. And they’ve smirked. I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors, & believe we need our rights back so we can sue them for the harm they’re knowingly doing, for the harm-filled cr*p they’re constantly pushing & selling us. I do have renewed hope, now that I know what it wrong. CHF must be common, because of the number of people who post about the symptoms of it on the internet, ….. but they (& I) don’t know what it is, & the docs don’t tell us. The docs can sell a lot of pharma drugs & do a lot of further damage, by not telling us about CHF. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure.

Had you been taking Herceptin? Eva

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Had you been taking Herceptin? No. Never. Susan, Su_Texas

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Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. At the ER, I begged & pleaded & gasped, struggling desperately to hold on, ….. to get them to test for & find what’s wrong. The ERs have refused to do so, since Jan. 1998.

Susan, here is a link I found from the American Heart Association that has lots of information and is encouraging.  It describes treatment options: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/104/18/e89 Joan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday morning, the docs, including my cancer doc (oncologist), refused to see or help me, even though it was an emergency.  I couldn’t breathe. [One GP said he'd see me at 11 AM (but that I'd have to sit & wait for an opening then, which I could not do), ..... but that it would be best to go to local ER.  The local ER (ETMC) is referred to here as "the death trap", so I wasn't going there.] Most ERs here are death traps, dangerous, ….. & places to be avoided at all costs. So it was a major betrayal that no doc would help or refer me, or intercede for me yesterday, & I had to go to an ER. Usually the docs game plan seems to be, to act as determinedly dumb & dastardly as possible, to say/do/advise the wrong things, to delay & cost you the most $$$ possible, until you suffer to death horribly, in the most traumatic & terrifying ways. It’s the Medical Industry (govt, corporate & PHARMA run), NOT medical care. It’s also dangerous to go to an ER alone here. I was assaulted by an ER doc [Raymond J0rdan] in Oct. 2000 at the local ER. He seemed to get off on it, to enjoy doing harm, doing serious harm. He dislocated my C1 disc, & the brain is now collapsing on it. He looked surprised afterwards, probably that this hadn’t killed me. He was/is a DO, not an MD. The nurses just stand there & watch, & then refuse to testify later. It’s a major betrayal, but also typical of basic/primitive human nature. Since many ERs here hire rotate-a-docs, ….. that is, any doc whom a service can recruit (from all over Texas & from neighboring states), & bring in to work a shift at an ER, ….. the ERs are very dangerous. It was difficult to go to an ER yesterday, & try to beg & negotiate for help. Yesterday morning, I phoned a pulmonary specialist I’d seen a few months back, & his workers told me to go to the Good Shepherd ER & ask for him to come. This does help to get care at ERs, if they think you can get a specialist there, ….. that is, if the ER docs refuse to or can’t test & diagnose. So, when the ER doc seemed reluctant, & said that he probably wouldn’t find what the other docs couldn’t, ….. I’d ask him again to call in the specialist. And I’d remind him, that it (the specialist, the testing & diagnosis) needed to be called/ordered before 5 PM, …. or the specialist might not come, & testing not get done. I’d remind him that I was in such bad shape, I probably couldn’t make it back to Longview again. Whatever, ….. it worked. I got some testing & a diagnosis this time. It seems that this (CHF) is what has been wrong, since I fell (hit pavement & slid) in Jan. 1998, ….. but the docs refused to see or diagnose it, & they called it acute chronic bronchitis, recurring sinus infections, gastrointestinal distress, etc. CHF must be extremely difficult to see or diagnose, …. since hundreds of doctors, including those at the universities in Texas & Louisiana, have kept missing it since Jan. 1998. I was also put through surgeries & cancer treatments (2001 through 2003), while in congestive heart failure. The docs have sold me a lot of PHARMA cr*p over the years, INSTEAD OF diagnosing what I had & selling me what I needed. They’ve stood back & watched me suffer & beg. And they’ve smirked. I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors, & believe we need our rights back so we can sue them for the harm they’re knowingly doing, for the harm-filled cr*p they’re constantly pushing & selling us. I do have renewed hope, now that I know what it wrong. CHF must be common, because of the number of people who post about the symptoms of it on the internet, ….. but they (& I) don’t know what it is, & the docs don’t tell us. The docs can sell a lot of pharma drugs & do a lot of further damage, by not telling us about CHF. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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Congestive Heart Failure <snip I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors,

Well, Sue, if you don’t trust them I suggest that you stop seeking advice from them and look at alternative treatments. But, please, consider what your posts might be doing to other, frightened women who are new to this group. This newsgroup is alt.SUPPORT.cancer.breast, people come to seek positive advice, to gain comfort or, by using their good experiences to give support both to newly diagnosed people and to those whose condition is progressing. We really don’t need a constant barrage of criticism of the people most of us do trust – and want to trust. They are the doctors of all kinds who have done their best to heal our bodies and spirits and, in most cases, succeed. Doctors aren’t magicians and of course there are mistakes made sometimes – the wo/man who never made a mistake never made anything. Most of us, though, want to trust our doctors, most of us do and most of us – even if our diagnosis is less than we’d like – stay positive and make the most of our lives. I know that I owe my life to two skilled surgeons and their teams. I owe much of my well-being to a series of supportive GPs and their practices. I can’t be unique. Also, we’ve been inspired on this group by some magnificent women who have advised, cheered, amused us even when they’ve eventually died. We’re saddened by their loss but privileged to have known them. We don’t want or need to hear medical care damned. If you’re not happy with your care don’t have it but please, please, don’t discourage others. Mary

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Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. At the ER, I begged & pleaded & gasped, struggling desperately to hold on, ….. to get them to test for & find what’s wrong. The ERs have refused to do so, since Jan. 1998. Yesterday morning, the docs, including my cancer doc (oncologist), refused to see or help me, even though it was an emergency.  I couldn’t breathe. [One GP said he'd see me at 11 AM (but that I'd have to sit & wait for an opening then, which I could not do), ..... but that it would be best to go to local ER.  The local ER (ETMC) is referred to here as "the death trap", so I wasn't going there.] Most ERs here are death traps, dangerous, ….. & places to be avoided at all costs. So it was a major betrayal that no doc would help or refer me, or intercede for me yesterday, & I had to go to an ER. Usually the docs game plan seems to be, to act as determinedly dumb & dastardly as possible, to say/do/advise the wrong things, to delay & cost you the most $$$ possible, until you suffer to death horribly, in the most traumatic & terrifying ways. It’s the Medical Industry (govt, corporate & PHARMA run), NOT medical care. It’s also dangerous to go to an ER alone here. I was assaulted by an ER doc [Raymond J0rdan] in Oct. 2000 at the local ER. He seemed to get off on it, to enjoy doing harm, doing serious harm. He dislocated my C1 disc, & the brain is now collapsing on it. He looked surprised afterwards, probably that this hadn’t killed me. He was/is a DO, not an MD. The nurses just stand there & watch, & then refuse to testify later. It’s a major betrayal, but also typical of basic/primitive human nature. Since many ERs here hire rotate-a-docs, ….. that is, any doc whom a service can recruit (from all over Texas & from neighboring states), & bring in to work a shift at an ER, ….. the ERs are very dangerous. It was difficult to go to an ER yesterday, & try to beg & negotiate for help. Yesterday morning, I phoned a pulmonary specialist I’d seen a few months back, & his workers told me to go to the Good Shepherd ER & ask for him to come. This does help to get care at ERs, if they think you can get a specialist there, ….. that is, if the ER docs refuse to or can’t test & diagnose. So, when the ER doc seemed reluctant, & said that he probably wouldn’t find what the other docs couldn’t, ….. I’d ask him again to call in the specialist. And I’d remind him, that it (the specialist, the testing & diagnosis) needed to be called/ordered before 5 PM, …. or the specialist might not come, & testing not get done. I’d remind him that I was in such bad shape, I probably couldn’t make it back to Longview again. Whatever, ….. it worked. I got some testing & a diagnosis this time. It seems that this (CHF) is what has been wrong, since I fell (hit pavement & slid) in Jan. 1998, ….. but the docs refused to see or diagnose it, & they called it acute chronic bronchitis, recurring sinus infections, gastrointestinal distress, etc. CHF must be extremely difficult to see or diagnose, …. since hundreds of doctors, including those at the universities in Texas & Louisiana, have kept missing it since Jan. 1998. I was also put through surgeries & cancer treatments (2001 through 2003), while in congestive heart failure. The docs have sold me a lot of PHARMA cr*p over the years, INSTEAD OF diagnosing what I had & selling me what I needed. They’ve stood back & watched me suffer & beg. And they’ve smirked. I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors, & believe we need our rights back so we can sue them for the harm they’re knowingly doing, for the harm-filled cr*p they’re constantly pushing & selling us. I do have renewed hope, now that I know what it wrong. CHF must be common, because of the number of people who post about the symptoms of it on the internet, ….. but they (& I) don’t know what it is, & the docs don’t tell us. The docs can sell a lot of pharma drugs & do a lot of further damage, by not telling us about CHF. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER I have breast cancer, J. You don’t. [...]…. then get lost, troll.

You got that part right, Susan. Burt’s a troll http://tinyurl.com/d6476 J

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Why is medical care so danged lacking? Partly because doctors are humans, not gods (whatever some surgeons might think), and partly because medical science does not have an answer to every human ailment.  If you see the object of medicine as being to keep you alive, then it has a guaranteed 100% failure rate.

What’s more, if a patient doesn’t trust the available medical care there’s no point in taking advantage of it Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim Jackson

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER I have breast cancer, J. You don’t. I had some bad experiences with the cancer treatments, & have many health problems, partly as a result of that. This is a place where women with breast cancer ask for advice & support, …. ask if someone’s had similar experiences & what they did about it. If you can’t handle the heat, & want to continue insulting women with cancer, & giving bad & harmful advice (as you’ve done to me in the past), ….. then get lost, troll. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

Susan, I had three bouts of bronchitis with asthma while undergoing radiation, and after treatments ended.  My doctor said radiation weakens the immune system.  The last bout was in March, and I took Amoxicillin, but it did not clear up.  A doctor then gave me Z-Pack and an inhaler, and it cleared up in about a week.  I have been fine since then, but it took about 3 months to get over it.  Sometimes it takes several antibiotics to find the right one.  I hope this information will be helpful. Joan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I need to find some kind of medical care, that can help with this. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

Su- please don’t take this as an insult but, IMO, you, like many of us, are a doctor’s worse nightmare.  Unfortunately, from my experience, they are able to treat it if they can see it on an xray or some test points it out to them but if what you have does not fit the normal pattern, they seem to have a tendency to just give drugs and fluff you off.   What you seem to need with all your problems is a good diagnostic team of doctors experienced in many fields who can check you out with all the medications you are taking and see if any of your other medical problems,  meds, or lifestyle are triggering off these new congestion problems you have.     Is there any hospital available in your area which does such diagnostic tests with a team of doctors?  That would be a lot easier on you than having to go from one to the other in your condition.   I know you love your dogs but have you told your doctors you are a caretaker of animals?  Could any of your congestion problems be caused by some allergy you have acquired due to the animals?  I know you might say, you had the dogs before you got this new congestion but maybe your system was not as weak as it is now and you were able to handle animals without a problem.    I would be sure to let them know about the dogs and what type they are.  This could take a lot of detective work on your part like checking out your living quarters and new foods you may be eating.  The doctors won’t do this for you.  You need to feed them the helpful information they need so they can try to figure out what the cause is.   Doctors just don’t seem to have the time any more to be diagnosticians.     Just my opinion and I do hope you can find the help you need soon. Bea

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When the doc listens to my lungs, he says "wheezing".

That would indicate bronchospasm.  The smallest of airways in the bronchial tree have muscles around them that can decrease the size.  That usually maes it harder to get air out than toget it in, and you hear a high-pitched sound as the air gets out through the narower space. When I try to lie down for a while, there are weird sounds in my chest, like rattling, gurgling, whimpering(?), as I struggle very hard to breathe.

Those noises indicate mucous and/or pus accumulating in the airways.  The combination of inflammation of the airways (bronchitis) and wheezing is called asthmatic bronchitis.  Unlike simple asthma (which is not so simple), this is thought to depend on chemicals made by microorganisms in the lung, not external allergens (e.g., pollen) or irritants (e.g., a variety of industrial chemicals). I need to find some kind of medical care, that can help with this.

There are a number of medicines that can be used in combination.  It is expensive, of course. Antibiotics intermittently will help control infection when it flares up. Short-acting adrenalin-like drugs, such as albuterol, may relieve the spasm for a while. Corticosteroids (cortisone-like drugs) will decrease the inflammation that results.  Because this group of drugs has some potent undesireable side effects, it is best when possible to take them as an inhaled dose rather than as pills.  That delivers a higher concentration of the medicine to the lungs without overdosing the rest of the body.  Sometimes, however, oral medicines like prednisone are needed in the therapeutic mix.  These are slow to help with an attack and must therefore be taken on a regular basis to prevent attacks. Leukotriene inhibitors like Singulair and Accolate (zaphirlukast and montelukast in some order) may help decrease the frequency and/or severity of attacks. Long-acting adrenalin-like drugs are also available as inhalers.  These prevent, rather than break attacks.  A combination of a corticosteroid and long-acting adrenergic drug is sold under the brand namne Advair, and is an excellent drug. A drug called cromolyn sodium prevents certain white cells from releasing histamine, and is a preventive medicine.  It works well, but will not usually solve the problem byu itself. More or less the sme types drugs are availabe for nasal allergies.  In addition, antihistamines often help that a lot.  There is even a nasal spray, Astelin, that is an antihistamine. Of course, if you have known allergies, you should try to avoid them.  Bare floors and no pets are good ways to start.  If there are tasks, like perhaps vacuuming or lawn mowing, wearing a mask may help.  A gauze mask is not a very effective filter, but the paper masks used in surgery and sold in lumber ards will often help prevent problems if worn during the tasks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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Chronic Sinus Infection and/or Bronchitis, which infects & re-infects lungs, stomach, etc.? Recently, I’ve had extreme difficulties breathing, & can barely stand, walk or move around now. For many months, the docs have tried one antibiotic after another, so far without good results. The last try was also with cortisone. Thursday, I learned about (not from the doc), asked for & got a nebulizer (?) machine to use at home, ….. but I’m going to need much more than that! In Jan 1998, I was severely injured (head to toe, esp. spine, …. from hitting pavement & sliding in a fall, due to ongoing unsafe conditions at a shopping mall), which started constant drainage. This resulted in chronic acute bronchitis. In Oct. 2000, I survived an assault at the local ETMC ER, which resulted in dislocated C1 disc with brain collapsing on it. This increased the drainage. In 2002, I went through chemo & rads for cancer, & the Arimidex, which can damage stuff. I’ve read about & tried everything I can, to try to help control the drainage some & the negative effects of it, so I can to keep going, …. but my air is now cut off. Even using the nebulizer, I get short gasps, which get less & less. Monday, I’m going to ask the docs if there is a suction machine for the congestion. Or any other machines that might help. I’m going to ask for another heart test to check for damage from the cancer treatments. I’m going to ask for a scooter to get around until things get better. I have dogs to feed & care for, as well as myself, …. lawsuits to bring, …. & a very predatory & sadistic birth-family to fight off & back, each time they attack. I can’t afford to be this sick & weak. What should I ask the docs? Why is this happening? What’s wrong? Why the congestion, pressure, shortness of breath? Why can’t I breathe? [Why don't the docs have a clue what's wrong?!] Why do they just prescribe antibiotics which don’t work, as my condition has obviously gotten extremely bad, critical. Why are the docs so danged slow, & so reluctant to offer explanations or options, when they can see there’s something seriously wrong, a life & death type situation? Why?! Why is medical care so danged lacking? Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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When the doc listens to my lungs, he says "wheezing". When I try to lie down for a while, there are weird sounds in my chest, like rattling, gurgling, whimpering(?), as I struggle very hard to breathe. I need to find some kind of medical care, that can help with this. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER

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Chronic Sinus Infection and/or Bronchitis, which infects & re-infects lungs, stomach, etc.?

I just heard a story about someone who thought they had a chronic sinus infection but it turned out to be a malignant tumor which was inoperable because it was so close to the optic nerve.  I think they said it was being treated with radiation.  Unfortunately I can’t remember any other details. Eva

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WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER I have breast cancer, J. You don’t. I had some bad experiences with the cancer treatments, & have many health problems, partly as a result of that. This is a place where women with breast cancer ask for advice & support, …. ask if someone’s had similar experiences & what they did about it. If you can’t handle the heat, & want to continue insulting women with cancer, & giving bad & harmful advice (as you’ve done to me in the past), ….. then get lost, troll. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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I can’t afford to be this sick & weak.

Disease has no respect for circumstances, indeed it tends to exploit the weak and injured and old.  The poor get sick a whole lot more than the rich.  It doesn’t care what you can afford. What should I ask the docs? Why is this happening? What’s wrong? Why the congestion, pressure, shortness of breath? Why can’t I breathe? [Why don't the docs have a clue what's wrong?!] Why do they just prescribe antibiotics which don’t work, as my condition has obviously gotten extremely bad, critical.

What else can they do by way of a cure?  If it isn’t a bacterial infection, what is it?  If it is a bacterial infection then they have to try to find an antibiotic that works against it.  Unfortunately a lot of infections are resistant against common antibiotics, simply because they are that, common, and we tend to overuse them.  So they have to keep trying different ones. The only other things they can do are basically palliative, they could give you oxygen if your breathing is so badly compromised that it is life threatening.  They could try steroids to reduce the inflammation in the short term.  I don’t know, I’m not a doctor and I only know about cancer. Why are the docs so danged slow, & so reluctant to offer explanations or options, when they can see there’s something seriously wrong, a life & death type situation? Why?!

I guess they don’t know what is going on.  A bunch of symptoms doesn’t always lead to an obvious diagnosis, especially when the situation is complicated by co-morbidities, i.e. more than one problem at a time. Usually the diagnostic process consists of making a guess and trying a treatment, then revising the diagnosis in the light of response (or lack of) to treatment. Why is medical care so danged lacking?

Partly because doctors are humans, not gods (whatever some surgeons might think), and partly because medical science does not have an answer to every human ailment.  If you see the object of medicine as being to keep you alive, then it has a guaranteed 100% failure rate. Tim Jackson

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Question:

"Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com

wrote in message

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I heard back from the psychiatrist who said the Torticollis could be

a rare

side effect from increasing his Effexor dose, which we did recently.

So now we

are decreasing it again, which of course brings on an entirely

different set of

problems.

I was actually wondering about that….let us know what happens.

As for the delirium with the toothache, I meant that I was not

coherent about

the passage of time, or what was going on. I was home alone, in bed,

just

basically sleeping and eating ibuprofen. I did try to speak up to

the dentist,

but I tend to be a hypochondriac, so when the dentist told me to

take ibuprofen

and see him on Monday, I figured I was over-reacting. He is a really

great guy,

and he felt terrible when he saw the condition I was in. I also have

difficulty

sometimes making myself clear on the phone when articulating my

needs, so I

don’t blame him.

Now he’ll know, and you too, for next time (which i hope doesn’t come soon)

Ah, well. Wish me luck with the Torticollis/Depression etc. My ex

was NO help,

when I was discussing reducing the Effexor with him, he said, "well,

he should

be learning coping skills for his depression anyway, and should be

able to stop

taking anti-depressants completely soon."

I’m all for learning coping skills and cognitive-behavioral techniques for helping with depression, but for many people that just isn’t enough.

Ugh. The man has NO clue what he is talking about. My entire family

has genetic

chemical depression, although hanging around the likes of HIM

doesn’t really

help! Okay, I’ll stop venting. xoxoox Sara

No need, venting is good! jo

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Torticollis has more than one cause.  You can be born with it.  I’ve had it several times, as had my wife.  It comes on as a "crick" in the neck, causing intense pain when you turn your head in one direction; as a result you end up holding your head in an abnormal position and other muscles get sore.  It often last a day or two and can be treated with heat and/or muscle relaxants.  There can be other underlying causes such as an extra rib in the cervical area, etc.  It can be spontaneous or come from unusual positions and strains like long flights, sleeping oddly, carrying heavy luggage, etc. Roger D. Freeman, M.D. "Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com

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Does anyone know anything about torticollis? It’s also known as Wry Neck.

My

13-year-old son was just dx’d with it. Sara

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It can be spontaneous or come from unusual positions and strains like long flights, sleeping oddly, carrying heavy luggage, etc.

Thank you Roger, I’m beginning to suspect that while the Effexor may have made conditions more hospitable for it, the real culprit is the 60-pound backpack. He’s been using a rolling backpack since Monday, and as of today is almost pain-free and is not twisted. Of course, I have not let up on the ibuprofen. I’ll wait until the weekend to see how he does without that. Sara

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"Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com

wrote in message

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It can be spontaneous or come from unusual positions and strains like long flights, sleeping oddly, carrying heavy

luggage, etc.

Thank you Roger, I’m beginning to suspect that while the Effexor may

have made

conditions more hospitable for it, the real culprit is the 60-pound

backpack.

He’s been using a rolling backpack since Monday, and as of today is

almost

pain-free and is not twisted.

Sixty pounds! That’s insane! Is he studying Geology? If he was carrying it over one shoulder, no wonder!! Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Of course, I have not let up on the ibuprofen. I’ll wait until the

weekend to

see how he does without that. Sara

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If he was carrying it over one shoulder, no wonder!! Jo

No, he uses both shoulders, all the kids do, but hoisting it up there is a feat. Not studying Geology, just History, Algebra, Science, Art, plus notebooks for all subjects, plus workbooks, plus a large binder, plus a P.E. binder and workbook, plus a binder reminder. It’s ridiculous. None of the kids use their lockers, because the lockers are just broken into and the contents stolen. And this is in the BEST part of town, in one of the top 100 safest cities in the United States. I shudder to think what is going on in other schools. Sara

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‘Twas 10 Mar 2004 17:37:38 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as sesgard…@aol.com (Sesgardner) uttered:

My ex was NO help, when I was discussing reducing the Effexor with him, he said, "well, he should be learning coping skills for his depression anyway, and should be able to stop taking anti-depressants completely soon."

He seems about as sympathetic as granite.  How did you ever…I shouldn’t ask.

Ugh. The man has NO clue what he is talking about. My entire family has genetic chemical depression,

Is the genetic problem depression per se or allergies?  Many people have been diagnosed with mental condition that were environmentally caused.  

Okay, I’ll stop venting.

A.s.t is a perfect place to vent. — RB |  

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        I saw the first therapist again, because the first session was mostly a case history; this year’s been really incredible.  She said I pretty much had GAD and some depression, which is what I thought.  We had a CBT session on my topmost issue, which is giving up our place in town and having to move to my wife’s place out in the country.  She showed me I was catastrophizing there and had me look at alternatives.           I did see that CBT is no deep dark mystery; it’s what I used to call "brainstorming":  toss out alternatives with someone else and try a few.           I think I could work with her.  I’ll admit, I couldn’t have heard from someone at the public clinic about the moving issue, since I was afraid they wouldn’t be sympathetic; many of their clients are one step from being out on the street!  So now I feel better about the public clinic.  I also know that I have an alternative.  Since I’m getting my meds   (Effexor XR, 150 mg; Depakote 1000 mg) at the clinic, it would be better to have them coordinate.  I’ll give it all more thought.   Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Dennis, Sounds like the therapy appointment went well.  Please keep us updated on how it is going… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I saw the first therapist again, because the first session was mostly a case history; this year’s been really incredible.  She said I pretty much had GAD and some depression, which is what I thought.  We had a CBT session on my topmost issue, which is giving up our place in town and having to move to my wife’s place out in the country.  She showed me I was catastrophizing there and had me look at alternatives.     I did see that CBT is no deep dark mystery; it’s what I used to call "brainstorming":  toss out alternatives with someone else and try a few.     I think I could work with her.  I’ll admit, I couldn’t have heard from someone at the public clinic about the moving issue, since I was afraid they wouldn’t be sympathetic; many of their clients are one step from being out on the street!  So now I feel better about the public clinic.  I also know that I have an alternative.  Since I’m getting my meds (Effexor XR, 150 mg; Depakote 1000 mg) at the clinic, it would be better to have them coordinate.  I’ll give it all more thought. Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Might depend upon the manufacturer. c – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nobody asked me a single question about my income; the doctor just took my word for it, which is good because I was telling the truth.  I’m sure it’s not this way in all situations, though.    KSF It is a great program for those who qualify.  I think the income restrictions could be lowered.  How about in proportion to the rise in drug prices? c My situation w/ getting my Effexor from the drug company in 3 month supplies didn’t require me to give any information beyond that my insurance company had dropped it from its formulary list, and that I couldn’t pay for it. Nothing further was asked.  I had just told my family doctor that much, she brought out the form, filled out her part, I filled out mine–meaning I signed my name and date–she sent it in, and about a month later there were my 3 little bottles.  It’s been continuing that way for several years now. I’m pretty sure the patent on Effexor is coming to an end soon, OR already has, and there’s been no change in my forms, etc.  I’m grateful beyond imagining for this program!    Kathy F.  (KSF) You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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Nobody asked me a single question about my income; the doctor just took my word for it, which is good because I was telling the truth.  I’m sure it’s not this way in all situations, though.    KSF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is a great program for those who qualify.  I think the income restrictions could be lowered.  How about in proportion to the rise in drug prices? c My situation w/ getting my Effexor from the drug company in 3 month supplies didn’t require me to give any information beyond that my insurance company had dropped it from its formulary list, and that I couldn’t pay for it. Nothing further was asked.  I had just told my family doctor that much, she brought out the form, filled out her part, I filled out mine–meaning I signed my name and date–she sent it in, and about a month later there were my 3 little bottles.  It’s been continuing that way for several years now. I’m pretty sure the patent on Effexor is coming to an end soon, OR already has, and there’s been no change in my forms, etc.  I’m grateful beyond imagining for this program!    Kathy F.  (KSF) You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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It is a great program for those who qualify.  I think the income restrictions could be lowered.  How about in proportion to the rise in drug prices? c – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My situation w/ getting my Effexor from the drug company in 3 month supplies didn’t require me to give any information beyond that my insurance company had dropped it from its formulary list, and that I couldn’t pay for it. Nothing further was asked.  I had just told my family doctor that much, she brought out the form, filled out her part, I filled out mine–meaning I signed my name and date–she sent it in, and about a month later there were my 3 little bottles.  It’s been continuing that way for several years now. I’m pretty sure the patent on Effexor is coming to an end soon, OR already has, and there’s been no change in my forms, etc.  I’m grateful beyond imagining for this program!    Kathy F.  (KSF) You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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My situation w/ getting my Effexor from the drug company in 3 month supplies didn’t require me to give any information beyond that my insurance company had dropped it from its formulary list, and that I couldn’t pay for it. Nothing further was asked.  I had just told my family doctor that much, she brought out the form, filled out her part, I filled out mine–meaning I signed my name and date–she sent it in, and about a month later there were my 3 little bottles.  It’s been continuing that way for several years now. I’m pretty sure the patent on Effexor is coming to an end soon, OR already has, and there’s been no change in my forms, etc.  I’m grateful beyond imagining for this program!    Kathy F.  (KSF)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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Thanks for correction. I need to find me some cheap or free Wellbutrin. Was getting free Effexor but with med change things are about to get expensive (AGAIN). -Gandalf

That’s because it’s .com, not .org. http://www.needymeds.com/ typed: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Colleen Went out looking for your link www.needymeds.org, and it didn’t work. Tried google and it doesn’t know of any needymeds.org? Is this a typo, or is there a problem on my end? TY -Gandalf You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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OOPSH! C

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s because it’s .com, not .org. http://www.needymeds.com/ typed: Hi Colleen Went out looking for your link www.needymeds.org, and it didn’t work. Tried google and it doesn’t know of any needymeds.org? Is this a typo, or is there a problem on my end? TY -Gandalf You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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Hi Colleen Went out looking for your link www.needymeds.org, and it didn’t work. Tried google and it doesn’t know of any needymeds.org? Is this a typo, or is there a problem on my end? TY -Gandalf

You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c

yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always

informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug

cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance

programs,which can save – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most

expensive meds I take. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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Hi ghost, This is totally unacceptable. Vote with your feet and never go back. Besides our relationship with our pdocs and therapist, a good pharmacist is very important to us. They do exist, even in NY. Find somebody you trust, who is careful, and who has time when you need it. You deserve that. -Gandalf

..net… Well, maybe only New York pharmacists. Caught one at the local Bronx Walgreens filling my rx for 100 x 600mg lithium carbonate caps with 100 x **300mg** caps… I only caught it when I wondered about the price (me being self-pay)… they would have never noticed. It was bottled, bagged and almost in a plastic shopping bag before I demanded to know what was going on. The idiot "professional" investigating this then disappeared for about half an hour before returning and informing me that they didn’t have the 600mg in stock… wanted to send me to fucking Yonkers to get the right rx. Have to go back Monday for the correct count. This is besides being the rudest, most inefficient pharmacy departments I’ve ever been subjected to… second only to Duane Reade in general assholishness. Then these morons in white want to "counsel" you as to your rx. I got your counsel right here, Mr. Pharmacist. Learned more in these groups than any pharmacist would know. Object lesson that might help others: ALWAYS inspect and verify your prescriptions before you leave the pharmacy…it will protect you from error and possible fraud. I don’t need this, I honestly don’t. This has been a BAAAAD week for me. Duking it out with my pdoc, Dr. Josie over side fx and her doing some half-assed "dynamic therapy" on me instead of something that works…like CBT, fucked-up roommate finally moving out while being as toxic as possible in the process, searching for a new roomate, money worries… Well, at least I got my esoteric tobacco shipment in… not exactly bootlegging, as bulk tobacco isn’t counted the same as cigarettes… sampling offbeat tobacco being maybe my only joy in life. Bah. Jim M.

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You can get infor at www.needymeds.org .  They give a lot of ingo there. They tell you you need to order a book but don’t.  Your doctors should be able to get you the necessary forms.  These programs are very income contingent and you can’t have any other kind of med coverage.  If you qualify though, they are great.  (Let me know if I don’t have the URL right. I’ll look it up again.) c

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry  stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned. Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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Next order/rx is going to be through CanadaDrugs, though. Even though it takes a couple weeks, 100 x 600mg caps of lithium carbonate is $16.54 as compared to Walgreens’ $52.00 (or RiteAid’s $77.00)….I’ll order a couple hundred from the Canadians and it will hold me a few months.

Wal Mart, I got mine for $7.00 and at the local mom and pop pharmacy I use to get my insulin charged me $10 the one time I got my lithium filled there.  I’m not on lithium now, it’s been three years, but I don’t think the prices have gone up that much. Yeah… but I’ve been warned FALSELY in at least one case… a pharmatron (hmm, Walgreens again) wouldn’t fill a script and told me I couldn’t take Seroquel with Parnate because "you can’t take SSRIs with MAOIs". I tried to explain to him that Seroquel is an anti-psychotic, and nowhere near an SSRI… he remained ignorant until I pointed out his error in a PDR.

I’m a regular at the two drug stores I will go to, so they know me and they know that when it comes to most meds (for me, not for anyone else in my family) they are wasting their breath when they "counsel" me on the drug.  I would also just tell the pharmatron "thank you" and then leave, unless he wouldn’t give you your meds, at which point you should demand to speak to his supervisor. Well, I’m going to count pills from now on… and examine them before I leave the pharmacy.

I do that, as well as count the money in the envelope before I leave the bank.

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yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry

once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry

 stop- … it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned.

Hi Harry, I NEED to take advantage of those patient assistance programs… particularly for Lamictal and Zyprexa, the two most expensive meds I take. Currently I order Lamictal from Canada and my pdoc gets me coupons for Zyprexa… but this is not an optimum situation. Maybe I should web search and post any results for drug companies’ med assistance pages. Sorry you lost your good pharmacist. I’d settle for a competent one. Jim . Jim M.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, maybe only New York pharmacists. Caught one at the local Bronx Walgreens filling my rx for 100 x 600mg lithium carbonate caps with 100 x **300mg** caps… I only caught it when I wondered about the price (me being self-pay)… they would have never noticed. It was bottled, bagged and almost in a plastic shopping bag before I demanded to know what was going on. The idiot "professional" investigating this then disappeared for about half an hour before returning and informing me that they didn’t have the 600mg in stock… wanted to send me to fucking Yonkers to get the right rx. Have to go back Monday for the correct count. This is besides being the rudest, most inefficient pharmacy departments I’ve ever been subjected to… second only to Duane Reade in general assholishness. Then these morons in white want to "counsel" you as to your rx. I got your counsel right here, Mr. Pharmacist. Learned more in these groups than any pharmacist would know. Object lesson that might help others: ALWAYS inspect and verify your prescriptions before you leave the pharmacy…it will protect you from error and possible fraud. I don’t need this, I honestly don’t. This has been a BAAAAD week for me. Duking it out with my pdoc, Dr. Josie over side fx and her doing some half-assed "dynamic therapy" on me instead of something that works…like CBT.

Hi Jim, I too use Walgreens but in Tallahassee, FL.  I have generally had good luck with them.  Once in a while they will not have one of my meds in stock or are short x number of pills and have to order more.  When that happens I always tell them that I am likely to be on that medicine for quite some time and ask them to keep plenty on hand to fill my scripts in the future.  In the past three years I have never had the pharmacy have to order a medication more than once. By the way, what is Dynamic Therapy and CBT? Matt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Find another pharmacy.  I’m very happy with the folks I use.  I’m warned about drug interactions and not to take certain OTCs with what i take. I do my homework most of the time, except on the straterra and its mildy entertaining hallucinations. I’ve never been shorted and not told. KG Well, maybe only New York pharmacists. Caught one at the local Bronx Walgreens filling my rx for 100 x 600mg lithium carbonate caps with 100 x **300mg** caps… I only caught it when  I wondered about the price (me being self-pay)… they would have never noticed. It was bottled, bagged and almost in a plastic shopping bag  before I demanded to know what was going on. The idiot "professional"  investigating this then disappeared for about half an hour before returning and  informing me that they didn’t have the 600mg in stock… wanted to send me to  fucking Yonkers to get the right rx. Have to go back Monday for the correct count. This is besides being the rudest, most inefficient pharmacy departments  I’ve ever been subjected to… second only to Duane Reade in general assholishness. Then these morons in white want to "counsel" you as to your rx. I got your counsel right here, Mr. Pharmacist. Learned more in these groups than any pharmacist would know. Object lesson that might help others: ALWAYS inspect and verify your prescriptions before you leave the pharmacy…it will protect you from  error and possible fraud. I don’t need this, I honestly don’t. This has been a BAAAAD week for me. Duking it out with my pdoc, Dr. Josie over side fx and her doing some half-assed "dynamic therapy" on me instead of something that works…like CBT, fucked-up roommate finally moving out while being as toxic as  possible in the process, searching for a new roomate, money worries… Well, at least I got my esoteric tobacco shipment in… not exactly bootlegging, as bulk tobacco isn’t counted the same as cigarettes… sampling offbeat tobacco being maybe my only joy in life. Bah. Jim M. yes-maybe lucky,i’ve used a pharmacist at a mental health

center(until he got ill recently)-always informative,helpful (esp. in the area of "patient assistance" [from drug cos.]programs,and over years he’s alqways been kind and patient with clients.I wonder if others take part in those patient assistance programs,which can save you money,but dealing with the companies can be a pain.I’m not on Medicaid,do I need their help).if you don’t have a good relationship-trust,competence,reliability-there can be problems.The private store I go to for other meds I am wary of.harry                               once more with feeling-at one place I’m tempted to count everything in their presence.harry                                                 stop-                                                                               it seems like life is difficult in every aspect.the pharmacists know when filling psychiatric medications approximately what ill you’re being treated for,don’t they?& every one isn’t like the guy i first mentioned.

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I think it is NY pharmacists…they filled my mom’s prescription with a LOT more insulin than she needed. <

Is that a good thing? Doesn’t insulin have a shelf life or something? I think that our lives are parallel right now.  My boyfriend is STILL not talking to me.  I’m spending all day studying.  My old roommate moved out two weeks ago (yay!), but my rent is completely insane.  Also, she never paid the last month’s rent, so my landlord is annoying me.  when I asked for the money back, she gave me a check which bounced.

The first thing you need from a roommate is the rent. Period. I don’t necessarily like having one in the first place… but it’s roommate and doctor’s visits and rx… or no roomate and no doctor and no drugs. And since I’m going to be 60 before me and my current girlfriend get it together… One could get nasty and go after someone for passing bad checks… I HATE roommates.  Especially ones that smell bad and don’t shower and leave dishes in the sink and don’t open windows and clog the drains with their hair. <

Yep…sounds like the one I got (who’s leaving tomorrow). Good luck. Jim M.

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Find another pharmacy.  I’m very happy with the folks I use.  I’m warned about drug interactions and not to take certain OTCs with what i take. I do my homework most of the time, except on the straterra and its mildy entertaining hallucinations. I’ve never been shorted and not told. KG

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, maybe only New York pharmacists. Caught one at the local Bronx Walgreens filling my rx for 100 x 600mg lithium carbonate caps with 100 x **300mg** caps… I only caught it when I wondered about the price (me being self-pay)… they would have never noticed. It was bottled, bagged and almost in a plastic shopping bag before I demanded to know what was going on. The idiot "professional" investigating this then disappeared for about half an hour before returning and informing me that they didn’t have the 600mg in stock… wanted to send me to fucking Yonkers to get the right rx. Have to go back Monday for the correct count. This is besides being the rudest, most inefficient pharmacy departments I’ve ever been subjected to… second only to Duane Reade in general assholishness. Then these morons in white want to "counsel" you as to your rx. I got your counsel right here, Mr. Pharmacist. Learned more in these groups than any pharmacist would know. Object lesson that might help others: ALWAYS inspect and verify your prescriptions before you leave the pharmacy…it will protect you from error and possible fraud. I don’t need this, I honestly don’t. This has been a BAAAAD week for me. Duking it out with my pdoc, Dr. Josie over side fx and her doing some half-assed "dynamic therapy" on me instead of something that works…like CBT, fucked-up roommate finally moving out while being as toxic as possible in the process, searching for a new roomate, money worries… Well, at least I got my esoteric tobacco shipment in… not exactly bootlegging, as bulk tobacco isn’t counted the same as cigarettes… sampling offbeat tobacco being maybe my only joy in life. Bah. Jim M.

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Find another pharmacy.  I’m very happy with the folks I use.

Yeah… I know….trying to save a few bucks (Walgreens is the cheapest I’ve found in this area). Next order/rx is going to be through CanadaDrugs, though. Even though it takes a couple weeks, 100 x 600mg caps of lithium carbonate is $16.54 as compared to Walgreens’ $52.00 (or RiteAid’s $77.00)….I’ll order a couple hundred from the Canadians and it will hold me a few months. But, in any case, most of the NYC pharmacies that I’ve been to are toxic, careless and a chore to deal with. I’m warned about drug interactions and not to take certain OTCs with what i

take.< Yeah… but I’ve been warned FALSELY in at least one case… a pharmatron (hmm, Walgreens again) wouldn’t fill a script and told me I couldn’t take Seroquel with Parnate because "you can’t take SSRIs with MAOIs". I tried to explain to him that Seroquel is an anti-psychotic, and nowhere near an SSRI… he remained ignorant until I pointed out his error in a PDR. (snip) I’ve never been shorted and not told.

Well, I’m going to count pills from now on… and examine them before I leave the pharmacy. Thanks for the note. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – KG Well, maybe only New York pharmacists. Caught one at the local Bronx Walgreens filling my rx for 100 x 600mg lithium carbonate caps with 100 x **300mg** caps… I only caught it when I wondered about the price (me being self-pay)… they would have never noticed. It was bottled, bagged and almost in a plastic shopping bag before I demanded to know what was going on. The idiot "professional" investigating this then disappeared for about half an hour before returning and informing me that they didn’t have the 600mg in stock… wanted to send me to fucking Yonkers to get the right rx. Have to go back Monday for the correct count. This is besides being the rudest, most inefficient pharmacy departments I’ve ever been subjected to… second only to Duane Reade in general assholishness. Then these morons in white want to "counsel" you as to your rx. I got your counsel right here, Mr. Pharmacist. Learned more in these groups than any pharmacist would know. Object lesson that might help others: ALWAYS inspect and verify your prescriptions before you leave the pharmacy…it will protect you from error and possible fraud. I don’t need this, I honestly don’t. This has been a BAAAAD week for me. Duking it out with my pdoc, Dr. Josie over side fx and her doing some half-assed "dynamic therapy" on me instead of something that works…like CBT, fucked-up roommate finally moving out while being as toxic as possible in the process, searching for a new roomate, money worries… Well, at least I got my esoteric tobacco shipment in… not exactly bootlegging, as bulk tobacco isn’t counted the same as cigarettes… sampling offbeat tobacco being maybe my only joy in life. Bah. Jim M.

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Well, maybe only New York pharmacists. Caught one at the local Bronx Walgreens filling my rx for 100 x 600mg lithium carbonate caps with 100 x **300mg** caps… I only caught it when I wondered about the price (me being self-pay)… they would have never noticed. It was bottled, bagged and almost in a plastic shopping bag before I demanded to know what was going on. The idiot "professional" investigating this then disappeared for about half an hour before returning and informing me that they didn’t have the 600mg in stock… wanted to send me to fucking Yonkers to get the right rx. Have to go back Monday for the correct count. This is besides being the rudest, most inefficient pharmacy departments I’ve ever been subjected to… second only to Duane Reade in general assholishness. Then these morons in white want to "counsel" you as to your rx. I got your counsel right here, Mr. Pharmacist. Learned more in these groups than any pharmacist would know. Object lesson that might help others: ALWAYS inspect and verify your prescriptions before you leave the pharmacy…it will protect you from error and possible fraud. I don’t need this, I honestly don’t. This has been a BAAAAD week for me. Duking it out with my pdoc, Dr. Josie over side fx and her doing some half-assed "dynamic therapy" on me instead of something that works…like CBT, fucked-up roommate finally moving out while being as toxic as possible in the process, searching for a new roomate, money worries… Well, at least I got my esoteric tobacco shipment in… not exactly bootlegging, as bulk tobacco isn’t counted the same as cigarettes… sampling offbeat tobacco being maybe my only joy in life. Bah. Jim M.

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I think it is NY pharmacists…they filled my mom’s prescription with a LOT more insulin than she needed.  I think that our lives are parallel right now.  My boyfriend is STILL not talking to me.  I’m spending all day studying.  My old roommate moved out two weeks ago (yay!), but my rent is completely insane.  Also, she never paid the last month’s rent, so my landlord is annoying me.  when I asked for the money back, she gave me a check which bounced. I HATE roommates.  Especially ones that smell bad and don’t shower and leave dishes in the sink and don’t open windows and clog the drains with their hair.  I love how my apartment is nice now, I like being around my stuff, not her pseudo-socio-politico-commentaries on the oppressive male, or Zena warrior princess shite. Hurray for fabric softener and makeup and nice clothes and fluffy towels and vaccuum cleaners and cute, adorable haircuts!!!! –S

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, maybe only New York pharmacists. Caught one at the local Bronx Walgreens filling my rx for 100 x 600mg lithium carbonate caps with 100 x **300mg** caps… I only caught it when I wondered about the price (me being self-pay)… they would have never noticed. It was bottled, bagged and almost in a plastic shopping bag before I demanded to know what was going on. The idiot "professional" investigating this then disappeared for about half an hour before returning and informing me that they didn’t have the 600mg in stock… wanted to send me to fucking Yonkers to get the right rx. Have to go back Monday for the correct count. This is besides being the rudest, most inefficient pharmacy departments I’ve ever been subjected to… second only to Duane Reade in general assholishness. Then these morons in white want to "counsel" you as to your rx. I got your counsel right here, Mr. Pharmacist. Learned more in these groups than any pharmacist would know. Object lesson that might help others: ALWAYS inspect and verify your prescriptions before you leave the pharmacy…it will protect you from error and possible fraud. I don’t need this, I honestly don’t. This has been a BAAAAD week for me. Duking it out with my pdoc, Dr. Josie over side fx and her doing some half-assed "dynamic therapy" on me instead of something that works…like CBT, fucked-up roommate finally moving out while being as toxic as possible in the process, searching for a new roomate, money worries… Well, at least I got my esoteric tobacco shipment in… not exactly bootlegging, as bulk tobacco isn’t counted the same as cigarettes… sampling offbeat tobacco being maybe my only joy in life. Bah. Jim M.

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Hi Jim I thought I would let you know about tonight. I haven’t had any medicine at all since 4 yesterday afternoon but they were not worried about it and my B/P is up to 148/90 from 124/80 last time. My temp is 100 and I am usually ready to be buried by then since normal is 96 for me or I am dog sick. My thyroid medicine has taken my values back to the normal range but they still would not let me have my Xenycal after promising me I could until my fasting labs are done in two weeks and another three after that. I am very discouraged and angry because I really wanted to start it when I felt better. They said in my area a nasty virus is going around no thought it could be Septic since I have run around with infection in my face for six months now. So anyway every time I go to the doctor it is one more diagnosis and this time is I am anemic. Gosh if I get worse just dig a hole and throw me in. The good news is I lost another six pounds. Whoopie. I guess I am glad for that but the doctor should not lie and tell me I can have something and then change it. Oh one more good news. The nurse said I could have my Zoloft dose raised so I will be singing a happy dance when it takes effect. Thanks for listening I feel better just knowing you cared about me. Thanks a million. Di — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

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Diana Ya doing the happy dance yet?  Sorry to hear about all the discouragement.  I dont wanna go off on a rant, but I am really disappointed in the way the medical system works these days.  I am not really putting blame on Docs, or insurance.  I dont know the inner workings so not going to be too quick to pass blame.  I just dont remember having to wait so long in the waiting room to see a doctor, and the lack of sympathy in the medical profession.  When I was younger and diagnosed, my docs nurse came to the hospital to see how I was doing.  It wasnt a professional visit, it was courtesy.  I know that cant take place in todays system, but when you look into a doctors, or nurses face these days (speaking very generally of course) their eyes seem so cold, like if they are working on a machine or something.  Oopps I ranted. Well, I am still happy that you visited the doc.  You do seem more spunky since your return. <g Feeling any better?  Stick in there and when ya need support, ya know theres lots of us here. Jim — Ouch, That H3rtz http://othserver.coxinet.net/ MARS Cars-2, Nascar 3 Driver #147 http://www.mars-racing.com/ http://members.tripod.com/rage613mars/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jim I thought I would let you know about tonight. I haven’t had any medicine at all since 4 yesterday afternoon but they were not worried about it and my B/P is up to 148/90 from 124/80 last time. My temp is 100 and I am usually ready to be buried by then since normal is 96 for me or I am dog sick. My thyroid medicine has taken my values back to the normal range but they still would not let me have my Xenycal after promising me I could until my fasting labs are done in two weeks and another three after that. I am very discouraged and angry because I really wanted to start it when I felt better. They said in my area a nasty virus is going around no thought it could be Septic since I have run around with infection in my face for six months now. So anyway every time I go to the doctor it is one more diagnosis and this time is I am anemic. Gosh if I get worse just dig a hole and throw me in. The good news is I lost another six pounds. Whoopie. I guess I am glad for that but the doctor should not lie and tell me I can have something and then change it. Oh one more good news. The nurse said I could have my Zoloft dose raised so I will be singing a happy dance when it takes effect. Thanks for listening I feel better just knowing you cared about me. Thanks a million. Di — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

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Hi Again Ditto to all you said and today was the first time I saw a nurse practitioner but you know I think I will keep her. She was more thorough than the doctor even though I like her too but the nurse was better and patient friendly. I still feel awful but I will have my phenergan for the nausea and it will be better. I appreciate your help and support. As usual ASD come to help me. I owe everyone so much. They have pulled me through some really tough times. Thanks again Di — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Diana Ya doing the happy dance yet?  Sorry to hear about all the discouragement.  I dont wanna go off on a rant, but I am really disappointed in the way the medical system works these days.  I am not really putting blame on Docs, or insurance.  I dont know the inner workings so not going to be too quick to pass blame.  I just dont remember having to wait so long in the waiting room to see a doctor, and the lack of sympathy in the medical profession.  When I was younger and diagnosed, my docs nurse came to the hospital to see how I was doing.  It wasnt a professional visit, it was courtesy.  I know that cant take place in todays system, but when you look into a doctors, or nurses face these days (speaking very generally of course) their eyes seem so cold, like if they are working on a machine or something.  Oopps I ranted. Well, I am still happy that you visited the doc.  You do seem more spunky since your return. <g Feeling any better?  Stick in there and when ya need support, ya know theres lots of us here. Jim — Ouch, That H3rtz http://othserver.coxinet.net/ MARS Cars-2, Nascar 3 Driver #147 http://www.mars-racing.com/ http://members.tripod.com/rage613mars/ Hi Jim I thought I would let you know about tonight. I haven’t had any medicine at all since 4 yesterday afternoon but they were not worried about it and my B/P is up to 148/90 from 124/80 last time. My temp is 100 and I am usually ready to be buried by then since normal is 96 for me or I am dog sick. My thyroid medicine has taken my values back to the normal range but they still would not let me have my Xenycal after promising me I could until my fasting labs are done in two weeks and another three after that. I am very discouraged and angry because I really wanted to start it when I felt better. They said in my area a nasty virus is going around no thought it could be Septic since I have run around with infection in my face for six months now. So anyway every time I go to the doctor it is one more diagnosis and this time is I am anemic. Gosh if I get worse just dig a hole and throw me in. The good news is I lost another six pounds. Whoopie. I guess I am glad for that but the doctor should not lie and tell me I can have something and then change it. Oh one more good news. The nurse said I could have my Zoloft dose raised so I will be singing a happy dance when it takes effect. Thanks for listening I feel better just knowing you cared about me. Thanks a million. Di — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

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could be Septic since I have run around with infection in my face for six months now

Diana, Just a question, have they ever treated that infection? If not why not? 6 months is a long time to wallk around with an infection. just curious Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Just remember…if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off. <G

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Hi Ruthie Yes for three months she agreed it was sinus and I went to urgent care twice and her once and was on antibiotics for ten days each time and then the last three months she changed her mind since I had a raised area on my gum above the tooth that broke off and I keep trying to tell her it started in my cheek and nose and went to my gum and she said there was no way it could get to my gum but that isn’t what she said when she asked if my teeth hurt and I said yes. Hmmm I wonder sometimes about doctors. I do go to the dentist this coming Tuesday so hopefully it will be taken care of. Di — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – could be Septic since I have run around with infection in my face for six months now Diana, Just a question, have they ever treated that infection? If not why not? 6 months is a long time to wallk around with an infection. just curious Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Just remember…if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off. <G

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Hmmm I wonder sometimes about doctors. I do go to the dentist this coming Tuesday so hopefully it will be taken care of. Di

Di, Hooray! Teeth can make you feel rotten, I’ve had abcessed teeth and they aren’t fun, Hope all goes well on tuesday, and you’ll be feeling better soon! Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Just remember…if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off. <G

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Ruthie Hi. Thanks for your sweet post. I sure do hope Tuesday takes care of things with the dentist. Maybe even get rid of these daily headaches that started since it has been so long. Di. — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm I wonder sometimes about doctors. I do go to the dentist this coming Tuesday so hopefully it will be taken care of. Di Di, Hooray! Teeth can make you feel rotten, I’ve had abcessed teeth and they aren’t fun, Hope all goes well on tuesday, and you’ll be feeling better soon! Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Just remember…if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off. <G

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ruthie Hi. Thanks for your sweet post. I sure do hope Tuesday takes care of things with the dentist. Maybe even get rid of these daily headaches that started since it has been so long. Di. — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing Hmmm I wonder sometimes about doctors. I do go to the dentist this coming Tuesday so hopefully it will be taken care of. Di

Di, Anytime Hon, I just know when I had abcessed teeth, I felt like crap, my face would swell and the pain was so bad I wanted to shoot myslef… my whole face would hurt, I couldn’t sleep, thank God my dentist would usually see me the next day…. Let us know how it goes! Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Just remember…if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off. <G

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Ruthie I sure will. I promise. And thanks so much. Yes I have the same symptoms as you did and yes I would like to shoot myself, only problem is I have a deadly fear of guns and Dale sold all his when we got married. But my luck I would miss anyway so Tuesday will do better than the shooting. LOL. I have a sick sense of humor today but still so sick I can hardly sit here. Take care honey and thanks Di — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ruthie Hi. Thanks for your sweet post. I sure do hope Tuesday takes care of things with the dentist. Maybe even get rid of these daily headaches that started since it has been so long. Di. — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing Hmmm I wonder sometimes about doctors. I do go to the dentist this coming Tuesday so hopefully it will be taken care of. Di Di, Anytime Hon, I just know when I had abcessed teeth, I felt like crap, my face would swell and the pain was so bad I wanted to shoot myslef… my whole face would hurt, I couldn’t sleep, thank God my dentist would usually see me the next day…. Let us know how it goes! Ruthie Up here in Michigan. Friends multiply joy and divide sorrow! and……. Just remember…if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off. <G

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diana is one of the shining stars of our group. and we would be lost without her enthusiasm and her great willingness to listen to those that hurt. Speedy recovery from your virus.  Love me

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Loretta You are such a sweet friend. Thanks. Today is a much better day for me. Your the greatest. I love you too. You are my role model, I want to be as beautiful as you are. Love Me — May You Live Today~By~How You Want To Be Remembered Tomorrow Please Remove No Spam before e-mailing

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Has anybody been on Effexor? I have been on it since November and I have recently figured out it is the cause of the strange symptoms I’ve been having. I have been bothered by mouth ulcers that make eating and drinking almost anything painful. I also get very hot with the least little bit of exertion. And it also was part of the cause of the strange dreams I was having, as well as the dizziness. I think the Effexor along with the Ginko Balboa I was trying did not do well together. Since I stopped taking the Ginko Balboa, neither one has bothered me as bad. Anyway, my question is: has anyone taken Effexor? I need to know how to taper off, because I hear the withdrawl can be bad. I was taking 225mg and have gone down to 150mg, as of two days ago, but am afraid to cut back anymore. I have a job and a family, and I don’t need to hallucinate or be sick right now! If anyone has any advice I’d appreciate it. Michele

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Hi Michelle I was just prescribed this wonder drug ang I was so dizzy and sick to my stomach so I cut my per down to 1/2 a pill twice a day.It was prescribed for neurogenic pain and muscle spasms.I wanted Neurontin but the doc said this had less side effects!As far as I can see,all it is,is an antidepressant.What did you get it prescribed for?225 mg is the maximum dosage.Your doctor really started you off with a bang. What do you think is a better alternative? Carol — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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the smart thing to do is to call your doctor. you shouldnt be looking to non-medical people for such important info! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Be Well, Lisa anti-spam in effect. remove 123 from my address. "Please explain to me the scientific nature of ‘The Whammy’" – Scully "The dope’s that there’s still hope." – Bruce Springsteen @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

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I have called my doctor, but I thought I would see how other people got off it while I was waiting for him to call me back. Michele

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I have called my doctor, but I thought I would see how other people got off it

while I was waiting for him to call me back.

I just quit.  Didn’t suffer for it.  Were there more specific questions you have? Dabrinah

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Hello All! Dear Participant I am a student at a university in Colorado Springs Colorado.  I am required to complete a research project. This project is close to my heart since I have been divorced twice, both times it was not my choice.  This research involves no-fault divorce and its effect on the family.

Dennis’ survey is available in online/browser format at: http://www.10mb.com/jbarchuk/opinion/ Under the category ‘Family’. Have a day! — jim barchuk http://www.10mb.com/jbarchuk/

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I <<<think this was a typo…. =15. Divorce eliminates dad relationships reducing stress in the parents =allowing them to better their economical status. = =       ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD Or was it? David

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Dear Participant I am a student at a university in Colorado Springs Colorado.  I am required to complete a research project. This project is close to my heart since I have been divorced twice, both times it was not my choice.  This research involves no-fault divorce and its effect on the family. All data for the project is held in strict confidence.  Your name and other identification are not requested.  The results will not be sold, formally published or used for comercial profit.  However the completed project will be bound and placed in the University’s library. By completing the questionnaire youare giving consent for this information to be used in my research. Dennis N. Rosas I am going to post results in this new group, however if you would like one sent to you check here______ and I will e-mail you a copy.   Male_____               Age_____ Female_____             Have you ever been divorced_____ Please answer the following questions by indicating the response that most closely resembles your thought on the statement that is given.  Please return questionnaire by returning them to Dennis N. Rosas.  Thank you for your participation in this project.  I will post result in this new group on or about 19 May 1997. Use the following guide to respond to the statements: SA – Strongly Agree A- Agree U – Uncertain D – Disagree SD – Strongly Disagree 1.  No-fault divorce has increased problems with today’s youths.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 2.  No-fault divorce negatively effects the emotional well being of teenagers.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 3.  Young adults who come from a divorced home have trouble in future relationships.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 4.  Because society accepts divorce and the breakdown in the family, divorce is more acceptable            now.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 5.  No-fault divorce has placed more children at risk of behavioral disorders.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 6.  Societies mores have nothing to do with the divorce rate.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 7.  Adolescents who come from a broken home understand what it takes to have a good        relationship.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 8.  No-fault divorce eliminates bad relationships preventing undue stress on adolescents.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 9.  Breakdown of society has led to increased pressure on the family unit increasing divorce rates.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 10.  No-fault divorce allows bad marriages to end quickly eliminating stress in the family unit that         could cause negative affects.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 11.  The effect of divorce on teenagers causes increases in failed relationships as adults.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 12.  Quick and easy divorces have little effect on future relationships of young adults.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 13.  Divorce causes undue economical stress on all parties involved.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 14.  Societies view on divorce has nothing to do with the divorce rate.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 15. Divorce eliminates dad relationships reducing stress in the parents allowing them to better             their economical status.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 16.  No-fault divorce has had no effect on raising children.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD

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