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My 7 year old chose purple this year.

topic: Socks Hey. . .Me too!

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I’m jealous Its great that you do your shopping like that – the wholesale way. The only thing that I buy in huge amount are socks. And everyone knows the reason for that……. Because I have my Walkman and Discman and Watchman (sigh) with me most of the time, I’m always running out. Always. What gets to me is the huge jar-full of old, stale batteries that I have to dispose of and keep wondering about the landfills, and how the lithium, or cadmium will f up the earth, so I keep hanging on to them. (I must have 1000 by now). <BR I have them in my gym bag, the glove compartment of the car. For only 4 people in<BR our house, we shop like we’re outfitting Patton’s Army. My husband grew up in a<BR large family that was always running out of things, so he stocks up like we’re<BR survivialists. (We probably have thousands of dollars invested in soap and<BR toothbrushes, alone). But, left to my own devices…..<BR

Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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What gets to me is the huge jar-full of old, stale batteries that I have to dispose of and keep wondering about the landfills, and how the lithium, or cadmium will f up the earth, so I keep hanging on to them. (I must have 1000 by now).

The cadmium in nickel-cadmium batteries is extremely toxic and should be returned to a special recycling center. Lead-acid batteries need to be recycled too. Most of the other commercial batteries can be disposed of safely in a landfill. Have I forgotten any toxic ones? Don’t worry about lithium. George

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We own a restaurant so wholesale is an option, but I use lots of rechargeable batteries, too. They are more expensive at first and of course, you have to remember to recharge, which is a problem for me, but it’s on my weekly schedule of kid tasks. My local chain hardware store takes bigger batteries for recycling. Each year, my kids can pick a sock color (my son wears a uniform, so white is for everyday) and we buy tons in that color. My 7 year old chose purple this year. I wouldn’t have thought up most of this stuff, but my husband is very organized. Also, I went to a CHADD meeting where they handed out "voluntary simplicity" tips. I don’t know if I’m really that voluntarily simple, but lots of those ideas (also Tightwad Gazette stuff) really makes life easier. I always have generic presents around, too, so my kids aren’t caught short at birthdays, etc. I wish ADD Warehouse or someone would make tablets of "TO DO" sheets geared for us. If the left-handers are a market niche, surely we are too. kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m jealous Its great that you do your shopping like that – the wholesale way. The only thing that I buy in huge amount are socks. And everyone knows the reason for that……. Because I have my Walkman and Discman and Watchman (sigh) with me most of the time, I’m always running out. Always. What gets to me is the huge jar-full of old, stale batteries that I have to dispose of and keep wondering about the landfills, and how the lithium, or cadmium will f up the earth, so I keep hanging on to them. (I must have 1000 by now). <BR I have them in my gym bag, the glove compartment of the car. For only 4 people in<BR our house, we shop like we’re outfitting Patton’s Army. My husband grew up in a<BR large family that was always running out of things, so he stocks up like we’re<BR survivialists. (We probably have thousands of dollars invested in soap and<BR toothbrushes, alone). But, left to my own devices…..<BR Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Greetings to all, A while ago, a thread began with [words to the effect]: The school wants me to give my children more structure. How can I do that when I can’t do it for myself?" This led to discussion of organization techniques … lists and notebooks One writer questioned how to keep the notebook handy and was told to use a string (I would have suggested using silk jewelry cording <g) to hang the notebook on his neck. A followup message asked advice about proper disposal methods for the soggy mess of a notebook that was destroyed by being drenched in the shower. Well friends, there is a solution. There are notebooks made with waterproof paper. Checkout the "Rite in the Rain" products from the J L Darling Corporation, found at http://www.riteintherain.com If you check their list of catalog dealers and go to http://www.cgsmule.com/ The specific web page for this is found at http://www.cgsmule.com/ct269303.html You would also be able to buy the "Fisher Space Pen" — writes anywhere, even upside down. Probably even works in the shower. cheers … — Martin G. Diehl I am what I am. All opinions expressed within are strictly my own. If Ziggy says "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once", and Newton teaches that Gravity brings all matter together, could we say that Time and Gravity have an antagonistic relationship?

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I love this! I use (I know I look stupid) one of those little, voice-activated tape recorders ("Note to self") like Alan Alda’s character in whatever Woody Allen movie that was. Thoughts fly in, don’t fly out. I might not always follow up, but I’ve got it on tape! Kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings to all, A while ago, a thread began with [words to the effect]: The school wants me to give my children more structure. How can I do that when I can’t do it for myself?" This led to discussion of organization techniques … lists and notebooks One writer questioned how to keep the notebook handy and was told to use a string (I would have suggested using silk jewelry cording <g) to hang the notebook on his neck. A followup message asked advice about proper disposal methods for the soggy mess of a notebook that was destroyed by being drenched in the shower. Well friends, there is a solution. There are notebooks made with waterproof paper. Checkout the "Rite in the Rain" products from the J L Darling Corporation, found at http://www.riteintherain.com If you check their list of catalog dealers and go to http://www.cgsmule.com/ The specific web page for this is found at http://www.cgsmule.com/ct269303.html You would also be able to buy the "Fisher Space Pen" — writes anywhere, even upside down. Probably even works in the shower. cheers … — Martin G. Diehl I am what I am. All opinions expressed within are strictly my own. If Ziggy says "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once", and Newton teaches that Gravity brings all matter together, could we say that Time and Gravity have an antagonistic relationship?

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Yes, but do you have batteries? Ah-ha! Thought so…:-) I love this! I use (I know I look stupid) one of those little,<BR voice-activated tape recorders ("Note to self") like Alan Alda’s<BR character in whatever Woody Allen movie that was. Thoughts fly in, don’t<BR fly out. I might not always follow up, but I’ve got it on tape!<BR

Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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I have them in my gym bag, the glove compartment of the car. For only 4 people in our house, we shop like we’re outfitting Patton’s Army. My husband grew up in a large family that was always running out of things, so he stocks up like we’re survivialists. (We probably have thousands of dollars invested in soap and toothbrushes, alone). But, left to my own devices….. Kate coe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, but do you have batteries? Ah-ha! Thought so…:-) I love this! I use (I know I look stupid) one of those little,<BR voice-activated tape recorders ("Note to self") like Alan Alda’s<BR character in whatever Woody Allen movie that was. Thoughts fly in, don’t<BR fly out. I might not always follow up, but I’ve got it on tape!<BR Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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While I readily confess to employing btb, nesting and using half round-trips, I have never done hidden city. I can see how this really upsets the airlines. You* have checked in A-(B)-C and then you disappear at B.

Are we talking about multiple-leg trips here, or true hidden stopovers such as, for instance, these UA DEN-FRA which actually involve a change of gauge at ORD? Effects: 1. Passenger count is wrong.

Not really. They give you two boarding passes. If you didn’t board, you don’t enter the count. So, it’s just like anyone that’s checked in but ends up not showing up or not showing up in time. 2. Agents have to page you (just listen to how many of these there are next time you travel)

When was the last time you saw anyone get paged? 3. Baggage manifest has to be checked, when it’s apparent you’re not coming.

No luggage matching in North America. So I am sure they don’t care. Bottom line: it’s just the fare issue.

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While I readily confess to employing btb, nesting and using half round-trips, I have never done hidden city. I can see how this really upsets the airlines. You* have checked in A-(B)-C and then you disappear at B. Are we talking about multiple-leg trips here, or true hidden stopovers such as, for instance, these UA DEN-FRA which actually involve a change of gauge at ORD?

Either, or the third case where it’s a through flight with a hub stopover (no plane change). Effects: 1. Passenger count is wrong. Not really. They give you two boarding passes. If you didn’t board, you don’t enter the count. So, it’s just like anyone that’s checked in but ends up not showing up or not showing up in time.

True. I had the through flight scenario in mind, but omitted to say so. 2. Agents have to page you (just listen to how many of these there are next time you travel) When was the last time you saw anyone get paged?

August 1, 2000. Maybe you just tune out those announcements. I hear them all the time. 3. Baggage manifest has to be checked, when it’s apparent you’re not coming. No luggage matching in North America. So I am sure they don’t care.

Maybe no matching in the US, although I’m not sure of that. Baggage is certainly matched Canada-US transborder. Bottom line: it’s just the fare issue.

We’ll agree to differ. B.

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I don’t see how hidden city tickets generally are very useful. Once you miss the second flight (assuming two each way), return reservations are cancelled; also you can’t have checked baggage as the airline would check luggage to the ticketed destination. So to benefit, the round trip fare A – B – C – B – A must be less than a one way A – B, and the passenger must not have checked baggage. How often does this occur? —

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All the time for business travelers!! I’m sure others have reaped a whole lot more savings than this, but last year, a co-worker needed a one way ticket to Cincinnati. It was over $500. A roundtrip on DL IAH-IND with a connection at CVG was $220. This saved over $300. This works particularly well on last minute trips where the ultimate ticketed destination is a low fare compete route from the point of origin.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see how hidden city tickets generally are very useful. Once you miss the second flight (assuming two each way), return reservations are cancelled; also you can’t have checked baggage as the airline would check luggage to the ticketed destination. So to benefit, the round trip fare A – B – C – B – A must be less than a one way A – B, and the passenger must not have checked baggage. How often does this occur? —

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I don’t see how hidden city tickets generally are very useful. Once you miss the second flight (assuming two each way), return reservations are cancelled; also you can’t have checked baggage as the airline would check luggage to the ticketed destination. So to benefit, the round trip fare A – B – C – B – A must be less than a one way A – B, and the passenger must not have checked baggage. How often does this occur? —

Quite often I’d say. One way fares on the ‘majors’ (like Delta who spawned this thread), are very expensive since they are all full fare (no discounts). I agree this ‘trick’ is of no use to the leisure traveller who wants to go A to B and come back again. But then they would probably never think of it, or else post to this ng asking if it can be done. B.

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I don’t see how hidden city tickets generally are very useful. Once you miss the second flight (assuming two each way), return reservations are cancelled; also you can’t have checked baggage as the airline would check luggage to the ticketed destination. So to benefit, the round trip fare A – B – C – B – A must be less than a one way A – B, and the passenger must not have checked baggage. How often does this occur?

It happens. An example, look at J2RTN fares from Canada to Germany and compare them with equivalent fares from the US: it’s roughly twice. So, get a cheap B-A-B round trip. Of course, if you are a real FF miles junkie, you might actually fly the whole thing, which might actually be legal. But not necessarily convenient. Or you might have a fairly convoluted travel pattern. Which might actually require you to go to A right before your trip to C. As to luggage, often you don’t check anything. Or if B happens to be an entry point, you get it to go through customs anyway.

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All the time for business travelers!! I’m sure others have reaped a whole lot more savings than this, but last year, a co-worker needed a one way ticket to Cincinnati. It was over $500. A roundtrip on DL IAH-IND with a connection at CVG was $220. This saved over $300. This works particularly well on last minute trips where the ultimate ticketed destination is a low fare compete route from the point of origin.

And even better if said business travellers can bill the client for the full OW whack and pocket the difference. But that wouldn’t happen, would it ? B.

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It is not always a certainty that the airlines will cancel your ongoing reservation if you don’t show up for a flight. The airlines are pretty damn disorganized as it is, I’m sure you could easily persuade them to reinstate your record. In any case, as long as you check in for your first flight and receive a boarding pass for your second flight, then I doubt highly that you will find your following flights cancelled. I’ve done this before on Delta flying from STL-ATL. The fare from STL-ATL is usually about a hundred dollars more than STL-MGM which connects in ATL anyway. Just check in for the first flight, get boarding pass for second flight, throw away. Then pay $19.99 to rent Budget car to drive to MGM and play golf on the way. Fun. I have considered this for flights from STL-JFK. The last minute fare on TWA is insane, around $1000. However, you can buy STL-BWI with no advance for $300 that allows connecting in JFK. Pretty crazy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All the time for business travelers!! I’m sure others have reaped a whole lot more savings than this, but last year, a co-worker needed a one way ticket to Cincinnati. It was over $500. A roundtrip on DL IAH-IND with a connection at CVG was $220. This saved over $300. This works particularly well on last minute trips where the ultimate ticketed destination is a low fare compete route from the point of origin. And even better if said business travellers can bill the client for the full OW whack and pocket the difference. But that wouldn’t happen, would it ? B.

Well, my said business travelers couldn’t do that because there’s no client to bill, not to mention the fact that they wouldn’t have a receipt for the higher fare

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I have considered this for flights from STL-JFK. The last minute fare on TWA is insane, around $1000.

No Herb. However, you can buy STL-BWI with no advance for $300 that allows connecting in JFK. Pretty crazy.

The Herb effect. Bob C.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but the airlines are the ones that came up with this pricing structure in the first place, weren’t they? As opposed as I am to the moral aspects of cheating, I don’t see this as cheating. I maintain that I have the right to get off the plane anywhere it stops if I feel like it. Getting back on is my option.

<snip funny rant Right you are Bill! I can’t think of any other transportation medium that uses this – I have taken the bus between Toronto and Detroit for months. If you want to get out at London Ontario, no problem. I’ve taken a cruise where my wife got too seasick to continue – she was able to get off at an intermediate stop, no problem. I can’t imagine a cab ride where you say to the cabbie "Stop I want to get out here", and he says "No we have to continue to the airport, and then I’ll bring you back here". I agree with all the posters who have said the airlines created this problem with their screwy load management pricing, and they should be forced to honour tickets that they’ve issued under these schemes. It may result in slightly higher fares, but at least I’d feel it was a ‘fair fare’. OtherKevin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Correct me if I’m wrong, but the airlines are the ones that came up with this pricing structure in the first place, weren’t they? As opposed as I am to the moral aspects of cheating, I don’t see this as cheating. I maintain that I have the right to get off the plane anywhere it stops if I feel like it. Getting back on is my option. <snip funny rant Right you are Bill! I can’t think of any other transportation medium that uses this – I have taken the bus between Toronto and Detroit for months. If you want to get out at London Ontario, no problem. I’ve taken a cruise where my wife got too seasick to continue – she was able to get off at an intermediate stop, no problem. I can’t imagine a cab ride where you say to the cabbie "Stop I want to get out here", and he says "No we have to continue to the airport, and then I’ll bring you back here".

How would your bus and cruise examples be cheating the provider out of a higher fare as is the case with hidden city ticketing? I agree with all the posters who have said the airlines created this problem with their screwy load management pricing, and they should be forced to honour tickets that they’ve issued under these schemes. It may result in slightly higher fares, but at least I’d feel it was a ‘fair fare’.

This has absolutely nothing to do with "load management pricing." It’s all about low fare competition. If there were no low fare carriers, there would be no need for hidden city ticketing.

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FRA prices seem very high until well after Oktoberfest.

the problem though is Oktoberfest only happens in Munich. Yea it happens to smaller degrees elsewhere but it is centered in Munich. (my liver is still hurting) Gerald Sylvester

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Excellent essay as always, Bill. I think I see a flaw in your argument however. You assume the airlines set their fares in some kind of controlled, logical manner. I believe they actually use a ouija board and/or a dart-throwing chimpanzee. From time to time this procedure is circumvented by someone shouting ‘Ohmigawd, Herbie Air has lower fares form Stinksville to Megalopolis, we must match them at once’. (Of course, back in the Middle Ages there were no hidden cities because there were no hubs.) While I readily confess to employing btb, nesting and using half round-trips, I have never done hidden city. I can see how this really upsets the airlines. You* have checked in A-(B)-C and then you disappear at B. Effects: 1. Passenger count is wrong. 2. Agents have to page you (just listen to how many of these there are next time you travel) 3. Baggage manifest has to be checked, when it’s apparent you’re not coming. All of this requires totally unproductive effort on the part of the airline. And it’s not like there’s a surplus of gate agents looking for something to do. Upshot: Flight possibly delayed, inconveniencing (or worse) the other 100+ folks who unfortunately picked the same flight as you. The airlines may have created the scenario, but IMHO using hidden city is beyond the pale of ’savvy traveling’. Air travel may have evolved to resemble bus trips in many ways, but the rules *are* different. Since the judge says they can’t come after you for the money, FF miles seems to be the only lever they have. * generic ‘you’ Brian

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but the airlines are the ones that came up with this pricing structure in the first place, weren’t they? As opposed as I am to the moral aspects of cheating, I don’t see this as cheating. I maintain that I have the right to get off the plane anywhere it stops if I feel like it. Getting back on is my option.

I was looking at the UA web site for mid-October WAS to PAR service. The half-round-trip price is about $285 during that period. Some of the routings had a connection at FRA. Out of curiosity, I looked up the WAS to FRA price. On the very same flights used for WAS-FRA-PAR, the lowest half-round-trip price was $518 if used only for WAS-FRA So I could "miss" the connection at FRA and save 45% on WAS-FRA if they didn’t catch me (which they would). If all I’d wanted was a one-way WAS-FRA, I could pay $2002 for a "legal" one-way ticket or 2*($285)=$570 and throw away three flight segments. FRA prices seem very high until well after Oktoberfest. Sounds like AA on connections through DFW vs travel ending at DFW. Bob C.

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This was featured today as well on NPR evening news – how some of the bigs are trying to go after pax using hidden city tickets now, after previoulsy directing their efforts against TA’s selling these flights. Their take was that the pax gonna pay one way or the other, if they can’t fight effectively by cancelling FF miles, adding $$ to the CC’s etc, they’ll end up just raising those tickets to make it unattractive. They said that if hidden cities were made "legal" it would reduce revs by $6B a year, and the carriers aren’t just going to eat it. FH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ran across this while goofing off on CNN.com. The court decision in favour of the traveler who DL felt owed $9000US for hidden city savings was interesting. If it holds up, the airlines will have to change some things. http://www.cnn.com/2000/TRAVEL/VIEWS/elliott/08/23/index.html

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They said that if hidden cities were made "legal" it would reduce revs by $6B a year, and the carriers aren’t just going to eat it.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the airlines are the ones that came up with this pricing structure in the first place, weren’t they? As opposed as I am to the moral aspects of cheating, I don’t see this as cheating. I maintain that I have the right to get off the plane anywhere it stops if I feel like it. Getting back on is my option. I would agree that the airlines have the reciprical right to cancel the remainder of my trip (like my return). What are they going to do, check my boarding pass as I get off in the "hidden" city and force me to go back to my seat? "And just where do you think you’re going? Sorry, Mister Mattocks, but you ARE going to LAX today. You can go hard or you can go easy, but you are going to LAX." "No, really, I just want to grab a quick bite to eat – I’ll come right back!" "We’ve heard that before. Please sit down before we have to get ugly. We’ll bring you some cardboard to gnaw on." Yeah, that’s going to work. I predict an increase in "passenger initiated evacuations" if they try. What the heck, I’ve always wanted to try out one of those inflatable slides anyway. I have never actually done the "hidden city" thing, but then, I don’t pay for my plane tickets – my customers do. If it came out of my pocket, I might do it myself. Next, they’ll be telling us that we mustn’t avail ourselves of discounted tickets by purchasing in advance, we must pay last minute full fare prices, or they may lose eleventy gazillion dollars per year. Sorry, they make the rules, we dance. If they left a loophole, them’s the breaks. They can fix it, assuming that they still have employees who know how to write. These are the same guys who have no problem if I have to fly through three layovers when I could have had a non-stop, except the triple hop was cheaper. They could have saved money by flying me straight through, and I would have been happier as well, but NOOOOO! These are the same guys who have been euphemistically telling the nation with a straight face that putting stranded airline passengers on a bus or train to their destination (and not refunding a penny, natch) is just fine, they are honoring their commitment, because the airlines are now a "complete travel solution." Bite me. Recently on a trip to California, the local Best Buy chain there offered a $400 discount on anything in the store if the purchaser would sign up for 4 years of MSN service at a certain rate. They’ve been doing that promotion all over the US. The thing is, in California there is some obscure little law that allows consumers to cancel such contracts without recourse within a certain period of time, or something like that – I read it in the paper, but didn’t get the whole story. So, for a couple of days, people were lining up to get their "free" TV’s and air conditioners, signing up for MSN, and then going home and cancelling the contract. Best Buy dumped that promotion pronto, of course, but they did honor their mistake while it lasted. If the IRS in all their wisdom sees fit to grant tax-free status to people named Bob who are left-handed, and a few hundred million people petition the courts to change their name and start signing their new name funny, are they dishonest? No, just confused and hard to call to supper. I can’t comprehend the whining attitude of the airlines in this respect. "Aw, you figured out a loophole in our freaky and confusing pricing scheme. You must be punished." A boot to the head for the dunderheads who thought up the idea of blaming the customer for working within their system to his or her own advantage. I just want to be sure I have this straight: Plane late? Passengers to blame, they don’t show up on time, they board too slowly. Irate employees? Passengers to blame, they have bad attitudes and they yell at innocent airline employees. Not enough planes? Passengers to blame, they fly too much. Prices too high? Passengers to blame, they look for discounts and ways to legally save money. Good idea, airlines. Poke the bear with a stick. Now that the entire nation hates you and holds you responsible for the state of commercial airline travel in the US, you should tell us it is all our fault, and then take us to court or send us $9,000 bills for exploiting your own screwy pricing structures. Why don’t you just hang signs out in the airports that say "Passengers suck, and everything is your own damned fault!" We peasants like that. Don’t worry, we’ll eat cake if we have no bread. Yes, "hidden city" ticketing will drive the airlines out of business…and it is about time. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

Janet, Most importantly, remember that serevent is not a resuce med…If you are having trouble right now use albuterol. Serevent is a long term med use it twice a day….say 7a-7p. Some meds givwe some people nightmares…funny, but I have nightmares if I take my multivitamin before bed!? Never skip your serevent even if you are feeling good. This also goes for any inhaled steroids you are taking…Steroids (inhaled) take a couple of weeks to build up in the body…so never skip your inhaled steroids! bill

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I’ve been using Serevent for about 2 years and it’s enabled me to cut out Ventolin almost totally. Initially it gave me cramps in my feet- still does occasionally and I’ve noticed my eyesight has deteriorated (need to use glasses for reading larger print than before) but this may have happened anyway. I would give this drug 9.9 marks out of 10! As someone else mentioned you can use it early (borrow a puff ahead of next dose) if you feel your chest tightening and provided you are resting you will avoid need to use Ventolin as all will be well within 15 mins.

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I’ve used Serevent for around 6 months or so. I personally think it is wonderful. I take 2 puffs twice a day. I used to use 2 inhalers of proventil a month, and now I barely need to use one. I also take atrovent and proventil 2 puffs, 4 times a day, and flovent 2 puffs twice a day. It all seems to work pretty good. My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there

(positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

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I tried SereVent a couple of weeks ago. Results were somewhat beneficial but the doctor had to take me off of it because it made me too shaky. I was practically unable to do anything manipulative with my hands while I was on it. The shakiness would last until about 10 hours after using it. Angela

This is a side effect some people have when initially prescribed the maximum dose of 2 puffs twice a day (of the MDI). Some of these people can build up a tolerance for it by starting at a reduced dose, eg 1 puff once/day in the evening. A dry powder form, the Serevent Diskus, has recently been approved by the FDA, expected to be available next year. The DPI form is twice the strength of the MDI form so you use 1 puff twice a day. See http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/97/09/22/glx_y0022_1.html Ellis

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My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

I love this stuff! I will probably only take it during the winter, but it has helped even out my peak flow readings (they used to stay in the green area, but were all over the place, now they are very consistently within a 40 point range), it makes it so I don’t cough when I’m out in cold weather (2 block walk to campus was terrible, and getting from the edge of campus to my classes was worse) and I haven’t had nearly the number of side effects from it as I did from my rescue inhaler (MaxAir). It’s kind of a pain to do 2 puffs twice a day from 2 different inhalers (I’ve started carrying it all in an insulated lunch bag), but if it means I don’t cough until I choke, I think I’ll put up with it. janet (so there *are* some other people out there named Janet – I never knew anybody else with my name until about a year ago!) :)

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My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

I have used Serevent before. It made me shaky for quite a while. Interestingly, the shorter acting Ventolin, a similar drug, does not affect me as badly. For prevention, I an on Flovent, and it lessens my need for bronchodilators like Serevent and Ventolin. Many have good experiences with Serevent, though, so if it works well and has little or no side effects, stick with it. Donald Hellen (Note: Anti-Spam Measure… remove the "1" in front of our address to reply by email.)

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I tried SereVent a couple of weeks ago. Results were somewhat beneficial but the doctor had to take me off of it because it made me too shaky. I was practically unable to do anything manipulative with my hands while I was on it. The shakiness would last until about 10 hours after using it. Angela

Try sticking with the Serevent for a few months. Some people on this type of medication get over the shakiness after a while; I did (with Brethine, a tablet). — David Matthews, Boston University

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I tried SereVent a couple of weeks ago. Results were somewhat beneficial but the doctor had to take me off of it because it made me too shaky. I was practically unable to do anything manipulative with my hands while I was on it. The shakiness would last until about 10 hours after using it. Angela That which doesn’t break us makes us stronger.

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My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

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My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

Janet, I love my Serevent inhaler! I have been taking this medicine for a little over a year now, and my asthma has really improved with continued and concientious use (paired with Flovent 110). I started noticing results in about one month. I think I like it so much because I don’t have to take the Proventil four times a day anymore. It was hard for me to meet that dosage and very inconvienient. As always, pay attention to your own symptoms. If you don’t notice a change, or if you feel like you are getting worse, call your doctor right away! Good luck! We are each of us angels with only one wing. And we can only fly embracing each other. –Luciano De Creschenzo

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I have used serevent now for nearly 2 years. It is brilliant, it works so well for me. It just enforces what your reliever does but it is active for about 12 hours. The only problem I have is that with the accuhaler you can taste it and it doesn’t taste too good but other than that it is great. I don’t know if you have been told, but it is worth using it before your preventer. Hope this helps. love Hannah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

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My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

It works great for me, 2 puffs twice a day. Initially I had to get my allergist to put in a special request to my HMO 3 years ago to get them to approve it–because of my nocturnal asthma. If I’m going folk dancing in the evening, I often take one of the 2 evening puffs early, it works for exercise too, takes about 15 min to start taking effect. However the max dose is 4 puffs/day, so if I need more bronchodilation, I use Ventolin. The only side effects I noticed, initially I seemed to have nightmares if I used it just before going to bed, but it was OK if I used it at least 2 hr before. After a couple months that phenomenon went away. I also use Vanceril DS 2 pf x2, Intal and TheoDur 200mg x2. I just recently added the TheoDur back in. It seems to give better overall control. Ellis

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My doc put me on a new inhaler called SereVent. Any experience out there (positive or negative) with this drug? I have done some research on it but I would also be interested in personal experiences. Thanks. Janet

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I know that there has to be others on RAB that have asthma, take inhaled steroids and get tattooed. I am new to the asthma thing, started taking Flovent in Dec. Anyway, some of it’s side effects are thinning of the skin, depleting the body of potassium, and bruising.. I take potassium for leg cramps due to this sometimes, but not on a regular basis. Got 3 hs of tattoo work yesterday on my arm and am very bruised. It started showing up an hr after the tattoo. I KNOW this is the med. so please don’t fault the dear artist who was very light handed as I told him of the possibility of this. I am just kinda shocked that it is this extensive and am concerned that this med is destroying me inside out… the questions: Any tattoo artists with experience with this? Seen it before? Any asthma peoples with experiences similar and any suggestions? My thought is to take my potassium regularly (we have lots more work to do) and hope for the best. Wish I could just quit the meds but I gotta breathe. Tattoo Artists: If ya see inhaled steroids on a release form for medications your customer is taking let them know there is a possibility of bruising. Altho they may already know this from how easily they bruise anyway…. Emily Tessier Under The Surface

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I know that there has to be others on RAB that have asthma, take inhaled steroids and get tattooed. I am new to the asthma thing, started taking Flovent in Dec. Anyway, some of it’s side effects are thinning of the skin, depleting the body of potassium, and bruising..

I use a similar product, Pulmicort, and have never experienced such side effects! I actually did a search on Flovent but didn’t find any extensive listings of possible side effects… I know I’ve never heard of these side effects concerning Pulmicort, and I have read a lot about it. I like to know what I’m doing to my body! Perhaps you could talk to your doctor about switching to Pulmicort, if this would alleviate your problems? Ulf

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I know that there has to be others on RAB that have asthma, take inhaled steroids and get tattooed. I am new to the asthma thing, started taking Flovent in Dec. Anyway, some of it’s side effects are thinning of the skin, depleting the body of potassium, and bruising..

Did your doctor tell you this? Those would be side effects of steroids administered systemically (not sure about the bruising though, I’ll look it up), not topically. From http://www.rxmed.com/monographs/flovent.html: "Fluticasone is a highly potent glucocorticoid anti-inflammatory steroid with strong topical and negligible systemic activity. When administered by inhalation at therapeutic dosages, it has a direct potent anti-inflammatory action within the lungs, resulting in reduced symptoms and exacerbations of asthma without the adverse effects observed when corticosteroids are administered systemically. (…) A portion of an inhaled dose will be swallowed; however, oral bioavailability of fluticasone approaches zero due to poor absorption and extensive first-pass metabolism. Following oral administration, 87 to 100% of the dose is excreted in the feces (…) Adverse Effects: No major side effects attributable to the use of fluticasone have been reported. (…) Candidiasis: Therapeutic dosages frequently cause the appearance of C. albicans (thrush) in the mouth and throat." This means that the fluticasone you inhale does not enter the bloodstream, and that what you swallow is not taken up to an extent that could cause systemic side effects. There must be a different reason for the bruising. I think you should talk to your doc about this. I checked a German drug reference and it said the same things. I take potassium for leg cramps due to this sometimes, but not on a regular basis.

Leg cramps are often associated with magnesium deficiency also. Nina — http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman Seeing that water is so important for life, it has to be a decision by an intelligent being to make water from H2O and not Oil from H2O. -from alt.atheism.satire

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hmm, I’m asthmatic, tattooed, and until Thursday, had never bruised. I thought my bruising was caused because it is an arm opiece, and the skin on the inner arm is more delicate…also because my arm is a _little_ flabby (lol) and the tattooist had to hold the skin taut….oh well.. carmen (with a beautiful new tattoo on her flabby arm.)xxx — "I feel much better now that I’ve abandoned all hope". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know that there has to be others on RAB that have asthma, take inhaled steroids and get tattooed. I am new to the asthma thing, started taking Flovent in Dec. Anyway, some of it’s side effects are thinning of the skin, depleting the body of potassium, and bruising.. Did your doctor tell you this? Those would be side effects of steroids administered systemically (not sure about the bruising though, I’ll look it up), not topically. From http://www.rxmed.com/monographs/flovent.html: "Fluticasone is a highly potent glucocorticoid anti-inflammatory steroid with strong topical and negligible systemic activity. When administered by inhalation at therapeutic dosages, it has a direct potent anti-inflammatory action within the lungs, resulting in reduced symptoms and exacerbations of asthma without the adverse effects observed when corticosteroids are administered systemically. (…) A portion of an inhaled dose will be swallowed; however, oral bioavailability of fluticasone approaches zero due to poor absorption and extensive first-pass metabolism. Following oral administration, 87 to 100% of the dose is excreted in the feces (…) Adverse Effects: No major side effects attributable to the use of fluticasone have been reported. (…) Candidiasis: Therapeutic dosages frequently cause the appearance of C. albicans (thrush) in the mouth and throat." This means that the fluticasone you inhale does not enter the bloodstream, and that what you swallow is not taken up to an extent that could cause systemic side effects. There must be a different reason for the bruising. I think you should talk to your doc about this. I checked a German drug reference and it said the same things. I take potassium for leg cramps due to this sometimes, but not on a regular basis. Leg cramps are often associated with magnesium deficiency also. Nina — http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman Seeing that water is so important for life, it has to be a decision by an intelligent being to make water from H2O and not Oil from H2O. -from alt.atheism.satire

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Your asthma inhaler should not cause you all this harm. I have been on soo many asthma meds, and never a problem like that. I take a pill to, this pill is called singulair (so far has proven itself to be the best controller). This pill makes the body produce less phlegm, and has no steroid properties. I also do asthmacort, and Proventil HFA. all of these are good, and I have never had problems like that. I do infact have problems w the IV steroids, but that is so different. Please ask your doc if you could try the non steroidal pill… it works wonderz! — "~LOBE

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:Sometimes my youngest didn’t and I was called (as I had :instructed) on the intercom and then brought him with me to class and :did my work with him on my lap, being completely happy (meaning both of :us ) They still have happy memories of this, young as they were… This is so sweet Philip! You are a gentle, kind Father!! Jackie ~*~Let your life lightly dance on the edges of time like dew on the tip of a leaf~*~ ~Rabindranath Tagore~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I’m lucky to have a very, very patient husband who listens to me ramble. My hair dresser :was sweet too, she tried so hard to relax me. I got back to the daycare in under an hour. He was :sitting with the other kids at the table eating a cookie, looking so content and happy. He didn’t :freak and lift his arms for me to pick him or anything, he sat there and finally wanted down to play n the rocking horse!!! She said he didn’t fuss or cry or anything after I left. I’m so relieved. :I was only gone an hour and he is 17 months old but was it ever hard! She was so impressed with :what a well behaved content little guy he is. Dear Annette, sounds like you are handling it well I remember my childrens "first" days in pre-school, it was so hard to leave them there. Seeing how much they enjoyed it made me know I did the right thing. It`s good for Nick to interact with other children and adults and it is also good for you to have a break now and them. Take advantage of the this little time you get for yourself. I hope life calms down for you soon {{{{{Annette}}}}} Jackie

When my children were that age (there is 1 1/2 year between them) I taught at art school two days a week. They had a lovely daycare there and I cycled first with my oldest and later with both to art school, brought them to daycare and went to my class. It was great. They loved it there. Sometimes my youngest didn’t and I was called (as I had instructed) on the intercom and then brought him with me to class and did my work with him on my lap, being completely happy (meaning both of us ) They still have happy memories of this, young as they were… Philip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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: I’m lucky to have a very, very patient husband who listens to me ramble. My hair dresser :was sweet too, she tried so hard to relax me. I got back to the daycare in under an hour. He was :sitting with the other kids at the table eating a cookie, looking so content and happy. He didn’t :freak and lift his arms for me to pick him or anything, he sat there and finally wanted down to play n the rocking horse!!! She said he didn’t fuss or cry or anything after I left. I’m so relieved. :I was only gone an hour and he is 17 months old but was it ever hard! She was so impressed with :what a well behaved content little guy he is. Dear Annette, sounds like you are handling it well I remember my childrens "first" days in pre-school, it was so hard to leave them there. Seeing how much they enjoyed it made me know I did the right thing. It`s good for Nick to interact with other children and adults and it is also good for you to have a break now and them. Take advantage of the this little time you get for yourself. I hope life calms down for you soon {{{{{Annette}}}}} Jackie ~*~Let your life lightly dance on the edges of time like dew on the tip of a leaf~*~ ~Rabindranath Tagore~

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Glad the daycare went well for Nick, Annette! Chip

I’ve had an anxiety filled last little while. My sister’s ex-boyfriend

has been threatening and physically assaulting her and my niece, I’m so worried for them. Tony

left town to go fishing until Sunday and Nick had his first session at daycare today. There have been

reports of a cougar in our area this week. We have pot-bellied pigs and goats, dogs and cats and the

neighbours horses on our 10 acres, all cougar bate except for the horses, I’ve heard cougars will

avoid them. And, just now, coyotes were howling in the field below. Well, daycare went just fine although I was a wreck, I didn’t bawl. I got

my haircut with my cell phone clenched in my fist, no call, all was well. We loaded Nick up in

his stroller for a walk to distract him and I said goodbye. He waved and said bye-bye and I left. I

talked the ear off my hair dresser, trying to not think about how awful I felt. I tend to talk fast and a lot when anxious. I’m lucky to have a very, very patient husband who listens to me

ramble. My hair dresser was sweet too, she tried so hard to relax me. I got back to the daycare

in under an hour. He was sitting with the other kids at the table eating a cookie, looking so

content and happy. He didn’t freak and lift his arms for me to pick him or anything, he sat there and

finally wanted down to play on the rocking horse!!! She said he didn’t fuss or cry or anything after

I left. I’m so relieved. I was only gone an hour and he is 17 months old but was it ever hard! She

was so impressed with what a well behaved content little guy he is. Tony got away yesterday ok and is having a great time fishing (a past time

I’ve yet to understand). I drove just south of here yesterday afternoon to visit my niece. It was

absolutely wonderful to see her!! I think she thought I was my sister. She wanted me when she tripped and hit her forehead, much to Grandma’s and Nicolas’ dismay. Poor baby wants her

Momma but she’s still in Alberta, making plans to move south soon. I’m still taking Effexor XR 150 mgs a day and am feeling really well.

Also, I take Klonopin and Xanax as needed, which is less often now that the Effexor has kicked in. I’ve been MIA here for the last little while. Nervous about being

attacked for whatever reason (mostly because I’m taking medication and nursing). But, for my own

sanity and ASAP’s health, I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – need to post and reply and ignore the crap. Hugs, Annette — annette’s pics http://www3.telus.net/ta-palmer/ Baby Nicolas’ Section http://www3.telus.net/ta-palmer/nick.htm

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Annette, Nick is such a trouper! It’s great that he was so comfortable at daycare. This is a big milestone for you both; congratulations. And you did fine, cell phone and all. :-) It’s weird…. early this morning before I fully awoke, I had a dream about a cougar. Isn’t that funny? I have no idea why a cougar was in my dream repertoire today… and I get online and read that you are worried about cougars in your area. I hope all your animals stay safe from the predators. Great to hear an update from you; keep up your good progress, and enjoy that little boy of yours. xxoo Anne

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Annette! That’s an awful lot of stress you’ve been under lately. I think you did extremely well under the circumstances. I talk fast and a lot too when I’m really scared or anxious. I’m so glad your sister is moving. Nick sounds so cute! I knew he would like the kids there. I don’t know why, just a feeling. I’m really glad that all worked out. I hope they catch the cougar! All we have to worry about here are the raccoons living under our shed. <g {{{{{Annette}}}}} Please keep us updated on your sister and other things when you can. Love, Di