I must say that I did not find Simple Green very good as a degreaser. I sprayed it full strength on the chain rings and several areas of the frame with no luck at cutting the grease even after vigorous rubbing. I even let it sit for a while. I went back to the citrus degreaser which works great. Mark
I find Simple Green ($7 for a whole gallon at Sam’s Club — and you can dilute it and use it as a general household cleanser) works great in my Vetta Chain Cleaner, but really is not that effective on heavy degreasing jobs, such as cleaning headset bearings in races. Still, it’s a relative bargain compared to many bicycle-specific products. Ron
: Does anyone have some experience which cheap degreasers, which do not : include the mtb premium price, i.e. are not primarily made for cycling use. : Try WD40, works great for me. Try Turpentine (Synthetic sort) Costs about
Is there any research indicating that Singulair can have a beneficial effect for people with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease? I’ve asked my doctor, an internist with a subspecialty in pulmonology, about this, and he was doubtful that the drug would be helpful to me. Since the various "classic" asthma meds are used in treating COPD symptoms, it seems strange that the anti-leukotrienes (and Singulair, in particular) have not been recommended by the drug mfrs. [I posted this question to this list several months ago. I'm asking it again, on the outside chance that there is possibly some new data available.] — Neal Blank http://p3.net/~nealb/
I am just taking a guess from what I know about Singulair. I am sure If I am way off base here aleast one of you will correct me. Singulair, goes after the chemical that at the root of the problem causes the bronchial spasms. By stopping the spasms there will be less inflammation, in turn lessing the asthma attacks. Bronchistis, and emphysema are due to inflamed bronchial tubes, but are not caused by the spasms that causes the inflammations of asthma, so Singulair will not help. I am not sure if I am right but, this may (or may not)help.
Is there any research indicating that Singulair can have a beneficial effect for people with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease? I’ve asked my doctor, an internist with a subspecialty in pulmonology, about this, and he was doubtful that the drug would be helpful to me. Since the various "classic" asthma meds are used in treating COPD symptoms, it seems strange that the anti-leukotrienes (and Singulair, in particular) have not been recommended by the drug mfrs. [I posted this question to this list several months ago. I'm asking it again, on the outside chance that there is possibly some new data available.]
No I don’t think there is any data available. I note that in the UK the drug is only licensed for asthma. However, I have COPD with a ‘reversible componant’, which means that I respond to corticosteroid therapy with an improvement in PF and FEV1. I also respond to bronchodilators. Call this asthma if you like, and yes I have been perscribed Singulair and yes it seems to have definitely improved things for me. I have now just finished the first months treatment and the improvement I felt within days of taking it seems to have been maintained. Yesterday was the *first day for over ten years* that I have not used a single puff of Ventolin 
If you can persuade them to let you have it I would say it is worth a try. Regards Rob Remove the spam from address if replying by email
I am just taking a guess from what I know about Singulair. I am sure If I am way off base here aleast one of you will correct me. Singulair, goes after the chemical that at the root of the problem causes the bronchial spasms. By stopping the spasms there will be less inflammation, in turn lessing the asthma attacks. Bronchistis, and emphysema are due to inflamed bronchial tubes, but are not caused by the spasms that causes the inflammations of asthma, so Singulair will not help. I am not sure if I am right but, this may (or may not)help.
Not wrong, but an oversimplification. Yes, LTD is a potent broncho-constrictor. BUt it appears to be having at least mild anti-inflammatory effects at least in mild to moderate asthmatics. THe reasons arent clear yet, but bronchospasm can lead to secondary release of mediators (prostaglandin D, Thromboxane A, cytokines, etc) which ARE inflammatory. If LTD even partially inhibits the release of such mediators from mast cells, eosinophils etc, it would have anti-inflammatory effects. BUT – *I* don’t know of any evidence that LTD is a precipitating agent in COPD. If it’s not a major player in that disease, SIngulair/Accolate’s impact is likely to be far less than in asthma. To date, there are no scientific studies of the question. Both LTE and LTB (a leukotriene NOT targeted by Accolate/Singulair) have been shown to be elevated in COPD, but whether reducing that elevation has any effect in the disease doesnt appear to have been studied. IF LTB is importand, COPD may be better treated with Zyflo than with the LT-RAs.
Hello all, I have been on Effexor XR 37.5mg once a day for a week. The side-effects have gone away except one, the feel of being light headed. My questions is, how long will the lightheadness last? Will this go away? Thank you to all who respond, Mike
not anwerable 100%, but often, yes it does go away. Give it 4 to 6 weeks, then re-assess. Make sure you’re well hydrated and don’t have fever etc.. G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I have been on Effexor XR 37.5mg once a day for a week. The side-effects have gone away except one, the feel of being light headed. My questions is, how long will the lightheadness last? Will this go away? Thank you to all who respond, Mike
Hi Mike, I took extra Xanax when I felt that way but light-headedness was one of my anxiety symptoms anyway. Just exacerbated, initially, by Effexor. One week may seem a long time but adjustment to Effexor can take much longer. Hang in there, Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I have been on Effexor XR 37.5mg once a day for a week. The side-effects have gone away except one, the feel of being light headed. My questions is, how long will the lightheadness last? Will this go away? Thank you to all who respond, Mike
Has anyone noticed a lot of weight gain with Effexor XR? I took my first 37.5 mg pill today and I’m already significantly overweight as is, so I need to know if this is about to get worse. I have heard things from both end of the spectrum. What did you all experience?
My situation is the same as your: I’m overweight and I started taking Effexor 37.5 XR. I started taking Effexor 2 1/2 weeks ago. Effexor for me was an appetite suppressant and I lost 3 pounds the first week. I was not eating or drinking fluids, which made the side-effects worse than they should have been. So, if you find that you are not hungry, remember to drink lots of fluids to stay hydrated and eat a little something. Mike
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone noticed a lot of weight gain with Effexor XR? I took my first 37.5 mg pill today and I’m already significantly overweight as is, so I need to know if this is about to get worse. I have heard things from both end of the spectrum. What did you all experience?
Thanks Mike! I know drugs tend to affect everyone differently, but it is nice to hear someone who DIDN’T gain weight on it. I am hoping it’ll help with that too. Keep me posted on how it goes for you. Suzanne
Thanks Mike! I know drugs tend to affect everyone differently, but it is nice to hear someone who DIDN’T gain weight on it. I am hoping it’ll help with that too. Keep me posted on how it goes for you. Suzanne
Hi Suzanne, I have been on Efexor for a few years now and recently upped my dose. I have not gained any weight on it and with cutting out some fast foods, I have actually lost some weight. I did put on heaps with Prozac and still need to loose more of it. Jude.
Thanks (((((Everyone))))) For such a warm welcome (back) lol. I’m feeling so good this evening! Yay. Kirsten
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790
:I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like :I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with :any. I’ll just try and post more often Dear Kirsten, Welcome back!~ Don`t worry about not posting, people are allowed to come and go as freely as they want, there are no rules here Sorry about your breakup with Brad 
{{{{{Kirsten}}}}} Jackie ~*~My life has been a tapestry of rich and royal hue, an everlasting vision of the everchanging view~*~ ~Carole King~
Hi Kirsten! Good to see you here. Please don’t apologize. This is only reserved for me. <g Just kidding. I’m sorry about you and Brad, but glad to see you’re still friends. I hope Effexor helps with the depression. Love, Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790
Good to see you again, Kirsten. Effexor is a good med for depression. Chip
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790
Hi Kirsten, You don’t need any excuses for not posting. Real life is more important for us all. Glad to have you back! Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790
Hi, Kirsten, Yes, I remember you. Glad to know you are doing fairly well. Sorry to hear about you and Brad but if you are able to remain friends, that’s terrific. Hope the Effexor helps you. Zoloft really lifted a lot of my depression. smiles, Elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790
Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790
Hello everyone, I have severe generalized social phobia and I’m 20 years old. Currently, I’m on Zoloft to help with depression. However, it does not do much for my anxiety. I recently started to consider adding a Benzodiazepine like Klonopin (clonazepam) to help with my anxiety. I mentioned this to my physician and he freaked out. He said it is prescribed on a short-term basis to individuals who do not have generalized anxiety. My physician referred me to a psychiatrist… and I’m probably going to make an appointment tomorrow. My problem is this: My physician kind of made me feel like a drug addict or something. I don’t want the same thing to happen with the psychiatrist. Do most doctors feel this way about Benzodiazepines? Is it a good idea to pursue this? I know therapy is an important factor, and I have been through CBT. Obliviously it didn’t work very well. Right now, I can’t afford therapy on a regular basis. -William
William wrote:
Hello everyone, I have severe generalized social phobia and I’m 20 years old. Currently, I’m on Zoloft to help with depression. However, it does not do much for my anxiety. I recently started to consider adding a Benzodiazepine like Klonopin (clonazepam) to help with my anxiety. I mentioned this to my physician and he freaked out. He said it is prescribed on a short-term basis to individuals who do not have generalized anxiety.
Yeah it’s used for Epilepsy mainly. But of course it also has a use in treating anxiety. As does xanax which you should also look at. And a whole lot of other drugs as well.
My physician referred me to a psychiatrist… and I’m probably going to make an appointment tomorrow. My problem is this: My physician kind of made me feel like a drug addict or something. I don’t want the same thing to happen with the psychiatrist.
Your not a drug addict for requesting a drug that you believe will relieve your anxiety. Are cancer patients drug addicts when they get chemotherapy on the odd chance it might save their life? Are diabetics drug addicts because they stick a needle in their bodies all the time? Do you know how many billions of dollars could be saved if social anxiety was eliminated from the population? Not to mention how many people would be better off. Do most doctors feel this way
about Benzodiazepines? Is it a good idea to pursue this?
It depends on their training and knowledge of your past history. If you had a history of drug dependence or alchohol abuse almost no doctor would provide you with benzo’s. If you don’t then again it depends on their training and most Pychiatrists are better trained in the use of these drugs than Doctors. IMHO it is a good idea for you to pursue any therapy that is safe for you, as long as it helps you. That includes drug therapies as well as others.
I know therapy is an important factor, and I have been through CBT. Obliviously it didn’t work very well. Right now, I can’t afford therapy on a regular basis.
Yeah it can be so expensive. Richard — Registered Lunatic #100347
On 5 Feb 2002 23:53:33 -0800, willhk…@earthlink.net (William) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
Hello everyone, I have severe generalized social phobia and I’m 20 years old. Currently, I’m on Zoloft to help with depression. However, it does not do much for my anxiety. I recently started to consider adding a Benzodiazepine like Klonopin (clonazepam) to help with my anxiety. I mentioned this to my physician and he freaked out. He said it is prescribed on a short-term basis to individuals who do not have generalized anxiety. My physician referred me to a psychiatrist… and I’m probably going to make an appointment tomorrow. My problem is this: My physician kind of made me feel like a drug addict or something. I don’t want the same thing to happen with the psychiatrist. Do most doctors feel this way about Benzodiazepines? Is it a good idea to pursue this? I know therapy is an important factor, and I have been through CBT. Obliviously it didn’t work very well. Right now, I can’t afford therapy on a regular basis. -William
Hi William, Is Zoloft the only anti depressant you’ve tried? I know this doesn’t seem logical, but different brands of ssri anti depressants don’t always have the same effect on people. If Zoloft isn’t working for your anxiety, you could try Paxil or Celexa. Just a thought. BTW, what is your current Zoloft dose? Whether you have or haven’t tried other ssri meds, and at a workable dosage level, adding a benzodiazepine is still a common practice. I base this comment on my own experience, my previous doctor’s revelations, postings to this group and research. (My new family doctor, a result of moving to a different state in the U.S., reacted similarly to your MD when I told him what meds I took. A shrink I subsequently saw did not have a problem and I was given a green light to continue my med regimen.) The big deal with benzos is that they are considered addictive and fall into the controlled substances category, although at the bottom of the list. Apparently they can be difficult to come off of, if you ever decide to take one, then quit There is also a concern that users will require increasingly larger doses to attain the same calming effect. I can’t comment re. any difficulties in quitting a benzo because I’ve never done that. I can say, though, that once I reached an effective dose level of Xanax several years ago, I have NEVER felt the need to take more to achieve the same anxiety relief. There is also, at least in my case, no euphoric or high feeling associated with taking a benzo (Valium could be an exception because some people do get a buzz from it.) If you were to compare the potential addictiveness of benzos with, say, alcohol abuse, it’s like day and night. Benzos help me and others to function and sometimes lead at least a semblance of a normal life. In spite of their supposed addictiveness, I can drive, I can work, I can talk to people, and look and feel pretty much ok (well as ok as an sp’ic can be anyway). OTOH, alcohol abuse ALWAYS involves drinking greater quantities over time to reach the desired effect. And the side effects can be horrific. Drunks can’t effectively handle even simple tasks and their thinking and judgment are clouded to say the least. You hear about drunk drivers killing people on the highways all the time, yet this drug is an over the counter purchase. So far I haven’t read or heard anything about someone killing others or himself as a result of taking benzos. Of the benzos, Klonopin is probably the most subtle in its action. It has a calming effect, but not the "right now" relief you get within an hour or so of taking something like Xanax. Klonopin also has a relatively long half life, meaning it stays with you for several hours versus a med like Xanax which begins to poop out after anywhere from 3 hours and up. Here’s an interesting aside too. Klonopin was developed to control seizures in people. A normal daily intake, when taken for seizures, is somewhere around 10 mg give or take. However, some people need as much as 20 mg to control their seizures. When used for anxiety, Klonopin doses range from 1 to 4 mg daily. Some people undoubtedly take a couple of more mg, but you won’t find anyone even near the dose level needed to control seizures. Here’s the bottom line. It’s your life. Anxiety is messing it up. Zoloft, and maybe other ssri anti depressants, plus CBT have not helped. That pretty much leaves maoi’s and benzos as the remaining choices in the prescription med category. Maoi’s are considered the last choice because they have a lot of restrictions, particularly as relates to what you can safely eat, and significant side effects. Asking for a benzo such as Klonopin is a reasonable request to try to gain some degree of normalcy with your life. Ask your family doctor which is preferable: living in anxiety hell forever or taking a benzo to get some relief. If you don’t get the answer you want, there are other doctors. And yes, I know how hard it is to see a new doctor and discuss your anxiety disorder, but it could come to that. If you see the psychiatrist, there’s a good probability you’ll get an ok to try Klonopin. S/he’ll probably want to see you periodically to see if you’re getting relief and to evaluate if dosage should be changed. Your starting dose might be 1, maybe 2 mg per day, taken in equal amounts spread out over your waking hours. If that doesn’t cut it, you can always request a higher dose, also to be split up evenly over each day. One last comment about Klonopin. I didn’t realize this until I started taking it, but unlike Xanax, you don’t gain its full benefit until after you’ve been on it for a week or so. In spite of this lag, you’ll still probably notice a calming effect the first day of use. You might want to do some research on the web or elsewhere for Klonopin and anxiety so you’ll be somewhat knowledgeable about it when you see the shrink. Good luck. Doug
Thanks Doug and Richard for your advice… I feel much better about the whole thing now.
Is Zoloft the only anti depressant you’ve tried?
Actually, I’ve been on Paxil as well. At one point I was on 100mg of Zoloft, but I started to get side-effects with that dosage. I could try other SSRI’s. I’m aware that this could take anywhere up to a couple of months to notice a difference. In my situation, I don’t really have the luxury of time to experiment with all the SSRI’s out there.
If you see the psychiatrist, there’s a good probability you’ll get an ok to try Klonopin.
I made an appointment with a psychiatrist this morning. It’s on Friday. This is the psychiatrist that my physician referred me to. Do you think that my physician can interfere in my choice of medication? Or do you think it’s a better idea to get a psychiatrist who is not connected to my doctor? Thanks, -William
William, On 6 Feb 2002 12:11:53 -0800, willhk…@earthlink.net (William) wrote:
Thanks Doug and Richard for your advice… I feel much better about the whole thing now. Is Zoloft the only anti depressant you’ve tried? Actually, I’ve been on Paxil as well. At one point I was on 100mg of Zoloft, but I started to get side-effects with that dosage. I could try other SSRI’s. I’m aware that this could take anywhere up to a couple of months to notice a difference. In my situation, I don’t really have the luxury of time to experiment with all the SSRI’s out there.
OK.
If you see the psychiatrist, there’s a good probability you’ll get an ok to try Klonopin. I made an appointment with a psychiatrist this morning. It’s on Friday. This is the psychiatrist that my physician referred me to. Do you think that my physician can interfere in my choice of medication? Or do you think it’s a better idea to get a psychiatrist who is not connected to my doctor?
I saw the psychiatrist that my new family doctor recommended and he okayed my drugs. Had the shrink said no, I would have sought out another psychiatrist and another till I got what I wanted. In my case I’ve been taking Xanax for over 15 years so it’s not like I have no experience with it or don’t know about its negatives. If you believe your family MD has your best interests at heart, there’s no harm in seeing whoever he recommends. I’m inclined to think he’s passing the buck due more to a lack of knowledge than because he’s dead set against your taking Klonopin. I mean he could have just said no and let that be the end of it, not even recommending that you see a shrink. One other thing to consider is that the psychiatrist is going to have a lot more familiarity with your illness and meds that can help you than your MD does. Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
Thanks, -William
Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list) Damn. That’s not what *I* thought it meant.
Philatelists do it first class, don’tcha know? <g Myra
I just figured out something. I drink a lot of ice tea, I mean a lot. At lunch I usually can put away about 5-8 tall glasses of the stuff. Now, tea has some carbs. I wonder how much extra carbs I’m getting. Anyone?
I just figured out something. I drink a lot of ice tea, I mean a lot. At lunch I usually can put away about 5-8 tall glasses of the stuff. Now, tea has some carbs. I wonder how much extra carbs I’m getting. Anyone? You can look up any food or drink at: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl According to them, brewed unsweetened tea is approx .71 carbs per 8 ounce cup. Brewed unsweetened herbal teas are approx. .47 carbs per 8 ounce cup.
I just figured out something. I drink a lot of ice tea, I mean a lot. At lunch I usually can put away about 5-8 tall glasses of the stuff. Now, tea has some carbs. I wonder how much extra carbs I’m getting. Anyone?
My cookbook software lists 8 cups of tea, brewed, as 5.8 carb. CAD 2/94 LC 7/01 188/167/126
I just figured out something. I drink a lot of ice tea, I mean a lot. At lunch I usually can put away about 5-8 tall glasses of the stuff. Now, tea has some carbs. I wonder how much extra carbs I’m getting. Anyone? My cookbook software lists 8 cups of tea, brewed, as 5.8 carb.
… and if you’re adding and AS packet to each glass, add another five to 8g of carbs. DAMN those sneaky carbs! — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page: http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter
Not to mention all the caffeine. – Violet
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just figured out something. I drink a lot of ice tea, I mean a lot. At lunch I usually can put away about 5-8 tall glasses of the stuff. Now, tea has some carbs. I wonder how much extra carbs I’m getting. Anyone? My cookbook software lists 8 cups of tea, brewed, as 5.8 carb. … and if you’re adding and AS packet to each glass, add another five to 8g of carbs. DAMN those sneaky carbs! — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page: http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter
… and if you’re adding and AS packet to each glass, add another five to 8g of carbs. DAMN those sneaky carbs!
I will never give up my beloved teas! NEVER! Of course, I don’t use sweeteners, lemon or cream, and I try to keep my tea consumption to just a couple of times a week. The thing is – I’m hooked on teas the way an oenologist is hooked on wines. And it didn’t help matters much when a new restaurant opened up nearby that not only has quite a few low-carb food choices, but the biggest tea selection I have ever seen. And you can buy teas to take home, too! My last visit to the place netted me an ounce of lapsang souchong (a tea I’ve been looking for for *years*), as well as a lovely oolong and the best jasmine tea I’ve ever tried. (I went for one of each kind – black, oolong and green.) And I’ve hardly even scratched the surface. One of my great pleasures is to sit down with a cup of one of my teas (brewed loose-leaf in a French press), and just relax. <g Myra
Oenologist. Myra, is that pronounced "ween ol o jist" as it would have been if it were a Latin word? Because if it is, I’m gonna love springing it on my 13 year old. CAD 2/94 LC 7/01 188/167/126
Oenologist. Myra, is that pronounced "ween ol o jist" as it would have been if it were a Latin word? Because if it is, I’m gonna love springing it on my 13 year old.
Oenology is a variant of enology, which is pronounced "eh-nah-low-gee." I guess it would be pronounced "eh-nah-low-jist." Here’s some other words – all directly related to my business – to spring on your kidlet: Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list) Numismatics = the study of coins (NOO-miz-mah-tiks) Numismatist = (noo-MIZ-mah-tist) Deltiology = the study of postcards (DEL-tee-ah-low-gee) Deltiologist = (del-TEE-ah-low-jist) <g Myra
My last visit to the place netted me an ounce of lapsang souchong (a tea I’ve been looking for for *years*), as well as a lovely oolong and the best jasmine tea I’ve ever tried. (I went for one of each kind – black, oolong and green.) And I’ve hardly even scratched the surface.
Ooooohhhhhh Myra. It’s a good thing I don’t live anywhere near you or I’d be there buying them up regularly. I’m LLLLLOOOOOVVVVVEEEEE tea, unadulterated of course. Lapsang (aka Bushfire Tea) is a real favourite of mine, as are both oolong and jasmine. One of my great pleasures is to sit down with a cup of one of my teas (brewed loose-leaf in a French press), and just relax. <g Myra
I love using my Favourite Teapot (actually, an old china Coffee pot painted with delicate violets, part of a demitasse kit I picked up for a song in an antique shop about 15 years ago) together with one of my collection of fine bone china teacups with a Really Good Tea. My favourite cup is a deep burgundy with delicate traceries of gold leaf, 3 darling little legs (yes, legs – similar in shape though not (of course) in size to those found on clawfooted bath tubs) also gold. The inside of the cup is a delicate mother-of-pearl finish and the saucer is also mother-of-pearl and gold, and has deep indented ‘cut work’ edge that makes it appear to be edged in china ‘lace’. Even an average tea seems to taste better when drunk from such beautiful things. Aramanth (sipping a mug of Earl Grey as I type).
Ooooohhhhhh Myra. It’s a good thing I don’t live anywhere near you or I’d be there buying them up regularly.
I have to keep myself away. Those teas are *expensive* – up to $200 a pound ($387 AUS). Of course, I only buy one ounce at a time…. LOL! I’m LLLLLOOOOOVVVVVEEEEE tea, unadulterated of course.
Of course. Putting stuff in tea just kills the taste. Lapsang (aka Bushfire Tea) is a real favourite of mine, as are both oolong and jasmine.
Is that what you call it there? I think of it as hickory-smoked tea. Or tarry tea. It just has that wonderful aroma and flavor – so rich, that I keep myself to no more than a cup of it a week. I love using my Favourite Teapot (actually, an old china Coffee pot painted with delicate violets, part of a demitasse kit I picked up for a song in an antique shop about 15 years ago) together with one of my collection of fine bone china teacups with a Really Good Tea.
Sounds lovely! And those special finds in little shops are so much more fun to have than anything you could get in a big department store. I call it the thrill of the hunt. Alas, I never got into tea cups, preferring mugs instead. Besides my French press, I have a teapot-for-one that comes with a 12-ounce pot, lid and cup that fits over the top. I also have my Portmeirion botanical garden pattern – pot, tray and four mugs. There’s a little store about a mile from where I live called "Almost and Perfect English China," that has all kinds of interesting little things – a very good store if you’re missing a piece of something or other. I remember the lid to my Portmeirion pot was broken (either an earthquake or move – I don’t remember now), and they had a replacement for me. My favourite cup is a deep burgundy with delicate traceries of gold leaf, 3 darling little legs (yes, legs – similar in shape though not (of course) in size to those found on clawfooted bath tubs) also gold. The inside of the cup is a delicate mother-of-pearl finish and the saucer is also mother-of-pearl and gold, and has deep indented ‘cut work’ edge that makes it appear to be edged in china ‘lace’. Even an average tea seems to taste better when drunk from such beautiful things.
Oh, that cup sounds gorgeous! Beats hell out of my favorite Boynton cat mug – the one with the big cat on it with the caption, "I am not fat. I’m fluffy!" (sipping a mug of Earl Grey as I type).
Ah, there, now you’ve lost me. I’m just not an Earl Grey fan – the bergemot oil tastes weird to me. Myra Sipping a mug of Eight Immortals Oolong
Oenologist. Myra, is that pronounced "ween ol o jist" as it would have been if it were a Latin word? Because if it is, I’m gonna love springing it on my 13 year old. Oenology is a variant of enology, which is pronounced
"eh-nah-low-gee." I guess it would be pronounced "eh-nah-low-jist." Here’s some other words – all directly related to my business – to spring on your kidlet: Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list) Numismatics = the study of coins (NOO-miz-mah-tiks) Numismatist = (noo-MIZ-mah-tist) Deltiology = the study of postcards (DEL-tee-ah-low-gee) Deltiologist = (del-TEE-ah-low-jist)
Myram I love when you talk dirty! <g — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page: http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter
Myram I love when you talk dirty! <g
You want to see dirty (messy)? You should see our office – looks like Santa’s Workshop exploded into a stamp show. Oy. Myra Busy scanning stamps and inspecting toy soldiers today
Ooooohhhhhh Myra. It’s a good thing I don’t live anywhere near you or I’d be there buying them up regularly. I have to keep myself away. Those teas are *expensive* – up to $200 a pound ($387 AUS). Of course, I only buy one ounce at a time…. LOL!
I’d have to limit myself to that, too, at those prices. Good thing you can get a lot of cups from an ounce of leaves! Lapsang (aka Bushfire Tea) is a real favourite of mine, as are both oolong and jasmine. Is that what you call it there? I think of it as hickory-smoked tea. Or tarry tea. It just has that wonderful aroma and flavor – so rich, that I keep myself to no more than a cup of it a week.
Most people just call it "urgh"! "Bushfire Tea" is the name a friend and I gave it after the Ash Wednesday Fires (January 83? I think – substantial amounts of bushland in 3 states went up in flames) when you could smell and taste the burnt-eucalypt on the air for weeks. It smelled much like the aroma of lapsang. Alas, I never got into tea cups, preferring mugs instead. Besides my French press, I have a teapot-for-one that comes with a 12-ounce pot, lid and cup that fits over the top. I also have my Portmeirion botanical garden pattern – pot, tray and four mugs.
It depends on my mood. If I’m rushed or not able to sit and enjoy I’ll use a mug because it stays hotter longer. If I’ve got time to sit and enjoy then it’s a dainty cup every time. I also have a pot-for-one with cup that fits over the top, a HUGE pot in a cat shape that a friend painted for me, and several ‘ordinary’ pots that I accumulated as gifts. (sipping a mug of Earl Grey as I type). Ah, there, now you’ve lost me. I’m just not an Earl Grey fan – the bergemot oil tastes weird to me. Myra Sipping a mug of Eight Immortals Oolong
I like the mild undertang of the citrus – I also like Lady Grey, which is EG with lemon and orange. Aramanth
I’d have to limit myself to that, too, at those prices. Good thing you can get a lot of cups from an ounce of leaves!
I managed to resist the $200 tea, but I did buy them in the $40-120 range. Three ounces was about $18 U.S. (about $33 AUS). Most people just call it "urgh"! "Bushfire Tea" is the name a friend and I gave it after the Ash Wednesday Fires (January 83? I think – substantial amounts of bushland in 3 states went up in flames) when you could smell and taste the burnt-eucalypt on the air for weeks. It smelled much like the aroma of lapsang.
You’re right – it *does* smell like a brushfire! But it’s heavenly to drink. I first learned about it when I was a kid and read James Michener’s "Centennial." One of the characters got hooked on it. It depends on my mood. If I’m rushed or not able to sit and enjoy I’ll use a mug because it stays hotter longer. If I’ve got time to sit and enjoy then it’s a dainty cup every time.
For me, growing up with my coffee-drinking folks meant that mugs were pretty much all there were. My mother never used her "dainty" cups because my father just couldn’t hold them due to his essential tremor. He needs to wrap his hand around a thick mug, and so I’ve just carried that around ever since. I also have a pot-for-one with cup that fits over the top, a HUGE pot in a cat shape that a friend painted for me, and several ‘ordinary’ pots that I accumulated as gifts.
My mother collects tiny little pots in unusual shapes, but none of them are usable. I just have the ones I mentioned, plus an Italian coffee service and a sake set. And I don’t even drink sake! Oh, wait a sec – I do have a Chinese tea set, too. I like the mild undertang of the citrus – I also like Lady Grey, which is EG with lemon and orange.
Lady Grey is pretty new around here – I just started seeing it in stores. I’m not tempted to try it, though, because it still has the bergemot oil in it. Myra
Oenologist. Myra, is that pronounced "ween ol o jist" as it would have been if it were a Latin word? Because if it is, I’m gonna love springing it on my 13 year old. Oenology is a variant of enology, which is pronounced "eh-nah-low-gee." I guess it would be pronounced "eh-nah-low-jist." Here’s some other words – all directly related to my business – to spring on your kidlet: Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list)
Damn. That’s not what *I* thought it meant.
some nice teas at www.alltea.com allison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d have to limit myself to that, too, at those prices. Good thing you can get a lot of cups from an ounce of leaves! I managed to resist the $200 tea, but I did buy them in the $40-120 range. Three ounces was about $18 U.S. (about $33 AUS). Most people just call it "urgh"! "Bushfire Tea" is the name a friend and I gave it after the Ash Wednesday Fires (January 83? I think – substantial amounts of bushland in 3 states went up in flames) when you could smell and taste the burnt-eucalypt on the air for weeks. It smelled much like the aroma of lapsang. You’re right – it *does* smell like a brushfire! But it’s heavenly to drink. I first learned about it when I was a kid and read James Michener’s "Centennial." One of the characters got hooked on it. It depends on my mood. If I’m rushed or not able to sit and enjoy I’ll use a mug because it stays hotter longer. If I’ve got time to sit and enjoy then it’s a dainty cup every time. For me, growing up with my coffee-drinking folks meant that mugs were pretty much all there were. My mother never used her "dainty" cups because my father just couldn’t hold them due to his essential tremor. He needs to wrap his hand around a thick mug, and so I’ve just carried that around ever since. I also have a pot-for-one with cup that fits over the top, a HUGE pot in a cat shape that a friend painted for me, and several ‘ordinary’ pots that I accumulated as gifts. My mother collects tiny little pots in unusual shapes, but none of them are usable. I just have the ones I mentioned, plus an Italian coffee service and a sake set. And I don’t even drink sake! Oh, wait a sec – I do have a Chinese tea set, too. I like the mild undertang of the citrus – I also like Lady Grey, which is EG with lemon and orange. Lady Grey is pretty new around here – I just started seeing it in stores. I’m not tempted to try it, though, because it still has the bergemot oil in it. Myra
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First, you should never ever stop taking your meds "cold turkey" You must be weened off by your doc. I quit taking zoloft after I was in remission and then I started on a downward spiral. I’m back on thank God. I don’t know how long you took them , but it can take up to several months to feel an effect. Regardless, if it is not working, your doc can help you switch to something else. Lia
I had no side effects with Dothiepin except cotton-mouth. My friend was on mega-doses of Doxepin as well with no major side effects except for yours but he was able to counter it with a fibre supplement. The *tryptyline drugs are some of the older tricyclics, maybe a newer one would work without the problems. Still, getting a doctor to prescibe it can be an issue. I argued with mine about it but she seems sold on the SSRI’s. The point is moot now as I haven’t had anything for months. Regards, Trevor Ida Kern <clooney…@mindspring.com
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> > I liked good old Dothiepin for depression but it’s no longer part > > of the in-crowd as it is a tricyclic not an SSRI. I’ve not seen tricyclics
mentioned much in terms of OCD. Me neither. However, one of the best drugs I have ever taken has been Pamelor (Nortriptyline), which is a tricylic. I slept well and ate well and did
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They help, but I loved the Pamelor. Ida
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wrote in message I liked good old Dothiepin for depression but it’s no longer part of the in-crowd as it is a tricyclic not an SSRI. I’ve not seen tricyclics mentioned much in terms of OCD.
Me neither. However, one of the best drugs I have ever taken has been Pamelor (Nortriptyline), which is a tricylic. I slept well and ate well and did not obsess. Unfortunately, it’s major side effect was that it prevented me from taking a healthy constitutional! I tried everything I could think of to stay on this medicine but the side effects overwhelmed me and I had to switch to a SSRI. They help, but I loved the Pamelor. Ida
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wrote: Zoloft is an antidepressant so in stopping taking it you have exposed yourself to a downhill slide. The Zoloft might not have been helping with the OCD but it probably was helping the depression. The SSRI’s are strange drugs. They are very selective in how they affect different people, what works for one may not work for another. I confounded my GP with my complaints about the side effects of Zoloft, Luvox and Serzone. I liked good old Dothiepin for depression but it’s no longer part of the in-crowd as it is a tricyclic not an SSRI. I’ve not seen tricyclics mentioned much in terms of OCD. Interactions with doctors are just as problematic. Having a sense of trust and rapport with your therapist is important. I had seen two counselors over the years before my current one. They were as thick as two short planks and I didn’t see them for long. You are quite right to stop seeing one you don’t get on with but please make an effort to find a new one. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. If the Zoloft wasn’t worsening your OCD but did help with the depression I’d say to stay on it until you get new medical advice. Go and see a GP (or whoever does this sort of thing where you are) and discuss a change of med. If you still had anxiety you might want to add an anxiolytic such as Xanax to the Zoloft mix or perhaps switch to Luvox but discuss it with a doctor first. Switching meds can be hard. You normally have to wait a week or two depending on your dosage levels to get the old drug out of your system before starting a new one and then it takes a couple of weeks for the new one to have an effect. Regards, Trevor <jl…@gte.com wrote in message news:374bfc28.2519205@news.gte.net… Well, I quit taking Zoloft last week because I don’t feel like it’s helping me that much (been wondering if I need a different SSRI). I know it takes awhile for it to get out of the system, but I’ve been totally nuts ever since. I quit seeing my therapist about 6 weeks ago, too — I just did not like her at all (she didn’t "care", IMO). I really, really need to find a good therapist — this past weekend had some very, very dark moments.
Additionally, it is said that it takes 2-3 months on the SSRI’s to see OCD relief…I don’t know how long you’ve been on it, but it may pay to stay on if the side effects are not bad, as it is helping your depression now and could very well help your OCD later… — Charles Phipps cphi…@roadhog.com
Hi it doesn’t sound like a too good idea to me to AND quit the therapist AND the meds at the same time. I have no idea how long you’d been on the Zoloft but it takes long time for SSRI’s to be efficient on OCD symptoms, most people mention at least 10 weeks on the proper dosage… Also it might not be the proper SSRI, it took me three trials before actually finding something (Luvox) that seem to be working. I know how very difficult it all is. If you have OCD you should get in touch with the OCD Foundation (they have a Web site with all kind of infos on how to reach them etc…) and ask them for the adress of a trained CBT therapist near you. I don’t know what your symptms are but talk therapy doesn’t do much for OCD. I have been in talk therapy for over 2 years, even though it has given me some insight on some other problems, it didn’t help at all the OCD. Hang in there, it’s tough but you can get better, Cecile – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<jl…@gte.com
wrote in message news:374bfc28.2519205@news.gte.net… Well, I quit taking Zoloft last week because I don’t feel like it’s helping me that much (been wondering if I need a different SSRI). I know it takes awhile for it to get out of the system, but I’ve been totally nuts ever since. I quit seeing my therapist about 6 weeks ago, too — I just did not like her at all (she didn’t "care", IMO). I really, really need to find a good therapist — this past weekend had some very, very dark moments.
Hi Lisa From my personnal experience I know that it takes about 10 weeks for the medication to start working and I know that it seems like forever. Hang in there. Yes I think that it is very important to find a good therepist. Make sure they deal with ocd. Don’t give up because of one person I know there is someone who can help you. It helped me to chat in support groups and talk to others dealing with the same problems. You will feel better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and when you do, you will get so much more joy out of life than ever before! Take Care
Zoloft is an antidepressant so in stopping taking it you have exposed yourself to a downhill slide. The Zoloft might not have been helping with the OCD but it probably was helping the depression. The SSRI’s are strange drugs. They are very selective in how they affect different people, what works for one may not work for another. I confounded my GP with my complaints about the side effects of Zoloft, Luvox and Serzone. I liked good old Dothiepin for depression but it’s no longer part of the in-crowd as it is a tricyclic not an SSRI. I’ve not seen tricyclics mentioned much in terms of OCD. Interactions with doctors are just as problematic. Having a sense of trust and rapport with your therapist is important. I had seen two counselors over the years before my current one. They were as thick as two short planks and I didn’t see them for long. You are quite right to stop seeing one you don’t get on with but please make an effort to find a new one. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. If the Zoloft wasn’t worsening your OCD but did help with the depression I’d say to stay on it until you get new medical advice. Go and see a GP (or whoever does this sort of thing where you are) and discuss a change of med. If you still had anxiety you might want to add an anxiolytic such as Xanax to the Zoloft mix or perhaps switch to Luvox but discuss it with a doctor first. Switching meds can be hard. You normally have to wait a week or two depending on your dosage levels to get the old drug out of your system before starting a new one and then it takes a couple of weeks for the new one to have an effect. Regards, Trevor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<jl…@gte.com
wrote in message news:374bfc28.2519205@news.gte.net… Well, I quit taking Zoloft last week because I don’t feel like it’s helping me that much (been wondering if I need a different SSRI). I know it takes awhile for it to get out of the system, but I’ve been totally nuts ever since. I quit seeing my therapist about 6 weeks ago, too — I just did not like her at all (she didn’t "care", IMO). I really, really need to find a good therapist — this past weekend had some very, very dark moments.
*HUGS* -kbeth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Tue, 25 May 1999 01:34:47 GMT, jl…@gte.com wrote:
Well, I quit taking Zoloft last week because I don’t feel like it’s helping me that much (been wondering if I need a different SSRI). I know it takes awhile for it to get out of the system, but I’ve been totally nuts ever since. I quit seeing my therapist about 6 weeks ago, too — I just did not like her at all (she didn’t "care", IMO). I really, really need to find a good therapist — this past weekend had some very, very dark moments.
Brenda, I have never taken Zoloft, but I am on Paxil and when I began taking it I too had increased anxiety for a few weeks. I did not want to take my Xanax 3 times a day like the doc said. I finally gave up and began taking it twice a day. Yes I was sleepy but not so anxious now I am on my eight week and take 10mg Paxil and Xanax only if I really need it like going on a long trip or anything out of the ordinary. My Xanax prescription is .5 mg. I began Paxil at 5mg, stayed there for a week and then took about 7mg (I had to break the tablets) for another two weeks and then the 10mg. Your Zoloft dosage may be too high for the beginning. 25 of Xanax and now my heart is beating faster which – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -is causing me to worry. Is this normal, I took it 30 minutes ago. Or is the faster beating anxiety
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a dilema. Yesterday was day 7 on the Zoloft and I went to the doctor and got a prescript for Xanax. Well I was panicky all day in fact I had the worst pa I had ever had.I took a Xanax and I helped a little. (The Xanax is .;25) The problem is last night I started to get the shakes real bad in the middle of the night so I took a alf of a Xanax. It seem to put me back to sleep. I woke up same condition. What is going on ?????? Even pre-med I never had anxiety like this. I know that they is a weaning on process and for two days I was ok but now doctor wants me to up the dosage to 25mg of Zoloft cuz he said 12.5 is not therepetic but he started me low cuz of my reaction. Is this normal. Im shaking like a leaf. I dont want to become so dependent on Xanax that I catn funtion between dosases. Anyone here experience this on day 8.day; Brenda0
Mine was better by day 8…However, I just upped my dose and am worse than ever…So it comes back each time you up the dose while your body gets used to it apparently…And don’t worry about taking the Xanax for this…I’ve noticed the worst of the side-effects lasted about 8 hours after taking it… .5 mg every 4 hours will kill most of this, and then you can take less or none later…And believe me 1-2 mg of Xanax is a small dose…The studies on dependency often say it takes either a large dose (4 mg + daily) or a long period of time (many months) to get a dependency…Even then it just means you have to ween off the stuff slowly…Hope this helps…Also, I am right there with you having upped my dose recently… Take Care, — Charles Phipps
Ps to my post I just took .25 of Xanax and now my heart is beating faster which is causing me to worry. Is this normal, I took it 30 minutes ago. Or is the faster beating anxiety. My husband is one his way home. The Xanax really drugged me yesterday when I took it. But that was on an empty stomach and this morning I ate a little something. Brenda
Brenda – If the anxiety is high enough, .25 mg Xanax WILL NOT work…This is why I take .25 mg every 4-6 hours…Once the anxiety kicks in you have to take more often to get rid of it…Try another .25 if the first doesn’t work…This is also why I have to take so much xanax in the morning…The combo of morning obsessions (the day’s going to suck), having taken the Zoloft, and not having taken Xanax in 8 hours leads to a terrible time…Anyway, hang in there… — Charles Phipps
Charles thank you for your response. I hope we can stay in contact. We seem to have alot of the same stuff going on. Actually my doc want to up my dosage to 25mg. He says that 12.5 is not a thereputic dose. Of course Im afraid since I have a hard time for the last 2 days. Thank you about the info for the Xanax, cuz I just thought I was some kind a strange case that .25 Xanax wouldnt help. I was a #7-8 panic almost all day and then it came down a tad. Now I take my zoloft in the evening so I dont get that rush from the kick in. What do you guys think about this. Tonight is will take 18mg of Zoloft. Chicken aint I. This group has really helped with my fears which just add to the anxiety. Love you guys Brenda PS My chest has been hurting and my lungs I think from the hyperventilation. Anybody else have that???
I have a dilema. Yesterday was day 7 on the Zoloft and I went to the doctor and got a prescript for Xanax. Well I was panicky all day in fact I had the worst pa I had ever had.I took a Xanax and I helped a little. (The Xanax is .;25) The problem is last night I started to get the shakes real bad in the middle of the night so I took a alf of a Xanax. It seem to put me back to sleep. I woke up same condition. What is going on ?????? Even pre-med I never had anxiety like this. I know that they is a weaning on process and for two days I was ok but now doctor wants me to up the dosage to 25mg of Zoloft cuz he said 12.5 is not therepetic but he started me low cuz of my reaction. Is this normal. Im shaking like a leaf. I dont want to become so dependent on Xanax that I catn funtion between dosases. Anyone here experience this on day 8.day; Brenda0
My pdoc uses a "one month" rule. If side effects are still bad after a month, then it’s time to try something new. If nothing has really happened, even if the depression hasn’t really lifted, he say’s to stick it out until 2 months. Don’t worry about the Xanax right now…but..you made need something longer acting to help with your anxiety. You may want to make an emergency appointment with your doc about using Klonipin, which lasts fairly long in the body, and after a month, you can decide if you wish to stay on them. Believe me though..I took Xanax and Zoloft…and I had MAJOR rebounds when the Xanax wore off. If you really feel you can’t function, then maybe you should try another med. BUT, I ask you, you may want to try the Klonipin route first. Best of luck…and keep posting. We are here to support you.. James MacLachlan
I have a dilema. Yesterday was day 7 on the Zoloft and I went to the doctor and got a prescript for Xanax. Well I was panicky all day in fact I had the worst pa I had ever had.I took a Xanax and I helped a little. (The Xanax is .;25) The problem is last night I started to get the shakes real bad in the middle of the night so I took a alf of a Xanax. It seem to put me back to sleep. I woke up same condition. What is going on ?????? Even pre-med I never had anxiety like this. I know that they is a weaning on process and for two days I was ok but now doctor wants me to up the dosage to 25mg of Zoloft cuz he said 12.5 is not therepetic but he started me low cuz of my reaction. Is this normal. Im shaking like a leaf. I dont want to become so dependent on Xanax that I catn funtion between dosases. Anyone here experience this on day 8.day; Brenda0
Hi Brenda, You’re taking a *very* low dose of Xanax. On the other hand you’re on a nice low starting dose of Zoloft. In my unprofessional opinion it might be worth trying .5 mgs of Xanax (0.125 is too little), that is two tabs of .25 mg and see how that works before ending Zoloft maybe prematurely. If that doesn’t work either (and you should know within one day, so you won’t have the time to develop Xanax-dependence) I’d say Zoloft isn’t the med for you in which case the best thing to do often is to try another SSRI (Luvox has the lowest side effect profile rep) or maybe move on to a TCA. Philip
Ps to my post I just took .25 of Xanax and now my heart is beating faster which is causing me to worry. Is this normal, I took it 30 minutes ago. Or is the faster beating anxiety. My husband is one his way home. The Xanax really drugged me yesterday when I took it. But that was on an empty stomach and this morning I ate a little something. Brenda
Heart racing is not a benzo side effect, it is anxiety talking here. It’s harmless (but can feel quite alarming, doesn’t it?). Xanax will make you drowsy in the beginning, it’s a side effect which will disappear. Philip
Charles thank you for your response. I hope we can stay in contact. We seem to have alot of the same stuff going on. Actually my doc want to up my dosage to 25mg. He says that 12.5 is not a thereputic dose. Of course Im afraid since I have a hard time for the last 2 days. Thank you about the info for the Xanax, cuz I just thought I was some kind a strange case that .25 Xanax wouldnt help. I was a #7-8 panic almost all day and then it came down a tad. Now I take my zoloft in the evening so I dont get that rush from the kick in. What do you guys think about this. Tonight is will take 18mg of Zoloft. Chicken aint I. This group has really helped with my fears which just add to the anxiety. Love you guys Brenda PS My chest has been hurting and my lungs I think from the hyperventilation. Anybody else have that???
Yesssss, I don’t think it’s your lungs BTW but rather your chest (and possibly back) muscles. No reason to raise the Zoloft quicker than you feel you can. Of course 12,5 mg is not a therapeutic dose (although nothing surprises me anymore about this disorder and sometimes seemingly sub-therapeutic doses do actually help) but your doctor shouldn’t be in such a hurry, take your time! Philip
Philip Peters wrote to: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Charles thank you for your response. I hope we can stay in contact. We seem to have alot of the same stuff going on. Actually my doc want to up my dosage to 25mg. He says that 12.5 is not a thereputic dose. Of course Im afraid since I have a hard time for the last 2 days. Thank you about the info for the Xanax, cuz I just thought I was some kind a strange case that .25 Xanax wouldnt help. I was a #7-8 panic almost all day and then it came down a tad. Now I take my zoloft in the evening so I dont get that rush from the kick in. What do you guys think about this. Tonight is will take 18mg of Zoloft. Chicken aint I. This group has really helped with my fears which just add to the anxiety. Love you guys Brenda PS My chest has been hurting and my lungs I think from the hyperventilation. Anybody else have that??? Yesssss, I don’t think it’s your lungs BTW but rather your chest (and possibly back) muscles. No reason to raise the Zoloft quicker than you feel you can. Of course 12,5 mg is not a therapeutic dose (although nothing surprises me anymore about this disorder and sometimes seemingly sub-therapeutic doses do actually help) but your doctor shouldn’t be in such a hurry, take your time!
I just want to reinforce what Philip says here. The whole idea is to *work up to* a therapeutic dose. Not to scare you away from it. Please don’t let your pdoc bully you on this one. Doctor and patient must work *together* for optimal results. Be easy, Kathryn
I have a dilema. Yesterday was day 7 on the Zoloft and I went to the doctor and got a prescript for Xanax. Well I was panicky all day in fact I had the worst pa I had ever had.I took a Xanax and I helped a little. (The Xanax is .;25) The problem is last night I started to get the shakes real bad in the middle of the night so I took a alf of a Xanax. It seem to put me back to sleep. I woke up same condition. What is going on ?????? Even pre-med I never had anxiety like this. I know that they is a weaning on process and for two days I was ok but now doctor wants me to up the dosage to 25mg of Zoloft cuz he said 12.5 is not therepetic but he started me low cuz of my reaction. Is this normal. Im shaking like a leaf. I dont want to become so dependent on Xanax that I catn funtion between dosases. Anyone here experience this on day 8.day; Brenda0
Ps to my post I just took .25 of Xanax and now my heart is beating faster which is causing me to worry. Is this normal, I took it 30 minutes ago. Or is the faster beating anxiety. My husband is one his way home. The Xanax really drugged me yesterday when I took it. But that was on an empty stomach and this morning I ate a little something. Brenda
Though I am nearly having a panic attack just –reading– these posts, it is extremely comforting to know I am not the "only" one ! mc
I forgot to mention something else that helps me with intrusions at work. I keep a white noise box, it doesn’t drown out everything, but it actually works quite well. They sell small ones that have like five sound effects (rain, ocean, white noise, babbling brook and rainforest.) Just a thought, if you can’t alleviate the intrusions, cover them up. It’s kind of like when your face breaks out. There is no stopping the problem, but if you are like me, you cover that right up : ) Regards, Julie —
brownee – I have a quick question about your attempt at Effexor. For the first 22 years that I had this disorder I came as close as any of my pdocs had seen to a unipolar manic — no sustained depressions, when I came off the manias (which were acute and severe) I went back to normal. Then 3.5 years ago I had a triple whammy stress within one week right after a mania, and went into my first depression. After 2 years of the depression, when I still showed no sign of coming out of it I finally talked my conservative pdoc into effexor. We ramped up so slowly I could scream, taking 6 months to get up to a therapeutic dosage. But then it worked, and I never got manic (still on the Effexor). Now, many moons later, I am finally getting off the effexor. How long did your pdoc take to bring you up to full speed, and do you think that going manic was the effexor or could it have been how quickly you were put on it? Sympathetically, -Gandalf Souls are like athletes that need opponents worthy of them if they are to be tried and extended and pushed to the full use of their powers, and rewarded according to their capacity. (Thomas Merton) |I’ve tried Effexor and it has been the most effective AD I’ve ever |taken, so much so that it pushed me into the first purely manic episode |I’d ever had after decades of mixed episodes. But it too made that |horrible noise in my head, so now I’m trying Wellbutrin. | |brownee
My pdoc had me increase by 37.5 mg every 3 days until I was up to 300 mg. Starting it had some of the worst side effects of any medication I’ve ever had, but stopping it, at the same rate, was even worse. I had terrible nausea whenever I was even late with a dose, but at least that reminded me to take it. Cutting down I just had to live through the nausea. I’d been on only Prozac since 91 because I’d only been to idiots since then until I crashed big-time in December and got in to see a pdoc with a clue. Even when I spent 4 months in bed a few years ago, the doctors just told me to keep taking my Prozac and I’d be ok. So my experience about 6 weeks ago of my first purely manic episode was such a shock to my system after so many years (40+) of unrelenting depression relieved only by mixed episodes. I really couldn’t say with such limited experience on various ADs just what it was that threw me into mania. Seems like taking 6 months to get to a therapeutic dose isn’t any smarter than going too fast. I was in such bad shape that I wasn’t eating at all and was in danger of death from the kind of heart failure that anorexics die of, so the pdoc needed to do whatever it took to snap me out of it. brownee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – brownee – I have a quick question about your attempt at Effexor. For the first 22 years that I had this disorder I came as close as any of my pdocs had seen to a unipolar manic — no sustained depressions, when I came off the manias (which were acute and severe) I went back to normal. Then 3.5 years ago I had a triple whammy stress within one week right after a mania, and went into my first depression. After 2 years of the depression, when I still showed no sign of coming out of it I finally talked my conservative pdoc into effexor. We ramped up so slowly I could scream, taking 6 months to get up to a therapeutic dosage. But then it worked, and I never got manic (still on the Effexor). Now, many moons later, I am finally getting off the effexor. How long did your pdoc take to bring you up to full speed, and do you think that going manic was the effexor or could it have been how quickly you were put on it? Sympathetically, -Gandalf Souls are like athletes that need opponents worthy of them if they are to be tried and extended and pushed to the full use of their powers, and rewarded according to their capacity. (Thomas Merton) |I’ve tried Effexor and it has been the most effective AD I’ve ever |taken, so much so that it pushed me into the first purely manic episode |I’d ever had after decades of mixed episodes. But it too made that |horrible noise in my head, so now I’m trying Wellbutrin. | |brownee
When my meds are not working that is when the "intrusions" are most annoying to me. It is one of the ways that I know that it is time for another trip to the pdoc. I could kill my hubby when he eats an apple
Then I must need a lot of trips to the pdoc, cause my meds never work But we’ll see if Neurontin works, also the psych (therp) I started seeing… ..always, Treacha ..as the twig bends…so the tree grows…
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brownee – I have a quick question about your attempt at Effexor. For the first 22 years
Hi Brownee and Gandalf, My motto is "Start low and go SLOW!!! That way effects can be judiciously monitored. Peace, Reach beyond your grasp!
My motto is "Start low and go SLOW!!! HEAR, HEAR! With Effexor, it is especially important. I went into a manic state you would have to have seen to believe when I was put on a huge dose of it. Besides, that should be the rule for all meds. IMHO
Amen! All pdocs should learn that on their very first day of residency. Also most meds require them to be tapered off — not stopping them cold turkey. Slowly on — slowly off. Your friend on the rollercoaster from hell, Shawn
Best regards from, James
<Posted and Mailed to Brownee [snipped] Kids shrieking and bass sounds are on my pet peeve list too. I’ve wondered though just what it is. When I complain about things like that to "normals" they just give me a disgusted look like can’t you come up with something more important to complain about and say everybody resents unwanted noise. But does the unwanted noise feel like physical assault, which is exactly what it feels like to me, to the "normals"? A minor inconvenience to others is acoustic "rape" to me. Thus I prefer to be online early in the morning before the "rapists" awaken. Thanks for using physical assault verbiage too. I’ve likened it to rape too but been told to chill. A relative tells me to "tune it out" while making tuning motions over her ears. Would she be telling me to tune out rape too?
If they don’t walk in our shoes, they can’t possibly understand or relate. [snipped] I no longer recommend regular Effexor now that the extended release (XR) formulation has come out. Originally regular Effexor was prescribed twice per day for me. I went into URC as the med came into my system and then departed — this was repeated twice per day. Once I realized what was happening, I took my total daily prescribed dose, divided it into 4 equal portions, and took it QID. My URC problem was solved immediately! Now I take Effexor XR BID with no cycling whatsoever. You might have a similar positive experience with Effexor XR. My pdoc just doesn’t give me any extended release anything, even though I tell him I can’t keep track of time very well these days. Right now I’m on regular Wellbutrin, which he wrote on the prescription to be taken 3X daily, at least 6 hours apart. How does he expect me to be able to do that when I can’t keep track of time, which I’d reminded him of minutes before? I’ve been on it for 2 weeks and haven’t made the third dose once yet.
Does your watch have an alarm function on it that you can set to remind you to take your meds? If not you should be able to buy an inexpensive digital travel alarm that would do the job. Is the XR more expensive? (HMO-paid Rxs)
Yes. But percentage wise not that much more — particularly considering the benefits you receive. I guess that’s why they’re asking what time of day I get manic and how long it lasts but I just can’t keep track of time well enough to tell them.
How about recording your mood index (1-10) every 15 minutes? You will need an alarm to remember to write the value down. Also record when you take your meds. Plotting your mood index can show med-induced URC. The reason that I mentioned Remeron is that it also works with the same two essential neurotransmitters (norepinephrine and serotonin) — however this med’s mechanism is different from than of Effexor. Wellbutrin addresses a third neurotransmitter (dopamine). BTW the SSRIs don’t do much for me (other than sending me hypomanic). So I infer that my brain needs more stimulation from norepinephrine (think adrenaline for the brain). Other options to consider are mood stabilizer meds that affect GABA (Neurontin and Gabatril). I have no personal experience with Gabatril but I have had truly exceptional results from Neurontin. YBMV. In what way is Neurontin different from Depakote?
Oh, about the difference between a 1920 Ford Model "T" and a 1999 Ferrari. There is no comparison whatsoever. But Neurontin is a bit tricky to "drive". It is very powerful and you can spin out and "lose" control — particularly since most pdocs don’t have the faintest idea how to prescribe it. My guesstimate is that if properly prescribed, Neurontin would be effective for around 50% of those trying it as monotherapy. With polytherapy the percentage should increase. BTW I’m in the process of updating my FAQ on Mood Stabilizers used in the US. I’m up to a dozen and still counting. I doubt if I will post it today since I’m getting rather tired — and the Lord knows I need my beauty sleep. <G Depakote is the HMOs standard drug for mania, other drugs have to be justified by bad side-effects or lack of effectiveness.
<SIGH!!! Penny wise and pound foolish as always. I’ve only been on Depakote for 6 weeks, too soon to tell.
I suggest giving Depakote 2 months just to be sure. You should be in the established "therapeutic" range for 2 consecutive blood tests (usually a week apart). Your liver function should also be checked to make sure its not being adversely affected. Have you lost any hair or gained any weight? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW I think it was you that asked something about how certain meds can induce URC? I was trying to respond when something screwed up and I lost several posts. I may take some time off and try to formulate and solve the differential equations to demonstrate the effect of a short half life drug has on stability. It shouldn’t be too hard — assuming of course I can shift my brain into high gear. An interesting challenge. I haven’t done any math for more than ten years. BTW I even use a calculator to do basic arithmetic. <Sigh! Yes, it was me. I know you’ve been not feeling well these last few days, James, so I was hoping someone else would post something pointing me to some of your old posts or a Web page or something. This is the first time in my life I’ve been under active pdoc care during a crash-and-burn (I usually just go into total isolation and wait for it to be over) so the frequent changing of meds and constant questioning (what time of day do you start to get manic? how long does it last? etc.) are really disconcerting. I don’t know if what I’m going through now is what I do anyway, just haven’t been dwelling on it, or because of all the meds, or what. To reduce the confusion and to hopefully introduce some measure of order in the midst of chaos, I NEVER like to make more than one med or dosage change at a time. I then wait for a sufficient time and see what transpires. Now obviously in a hospital situation more aggressive measures can (and should) be taken. But what’s sufficient time?
It all depends on several factors (is the med metabolized?, if so how rapidly?, what is the removal half life?, and how long does it take for the brain require for it to become sensitized to the med?). It is the latter factor which gives rise to the greatest uncertainty. Because some people’s brains apparently never become sensitized and so the med is not effective for them. Others become desensitized and a med switch is necessary. I have no idea whether the meds I’m now on (Depakote and Wellbutrin) are doing enough of what they’re supposed to be doing, just that they aren’t having sufficiently bad side effects that I need to change. Up until this crash, I had been a slow cycler, but this time, events had been set in motion before the crash that are carrying me along in such a way that the crash would have been different anyway. (For example, this is the first time I’ve had disability insurance and so the first time I’ve had to deal with a bureaucracy during what is usually my isolation/recovery period.) So between just being totally screwed over by the severity of the depressive crash in December and these other influences, I’m having a very hard time judging anything.
Bureaucratic incompetencies are enough to drive a well person insane!!! James, I join the rest of those asking you to take care of yourself. Thank you! However as long as I don’t move, I seem to be doing OK. But I am intending additional bed rest. Then I’ll have to figure out some way of posting binary graphical files that people could decode. Or maybe I should just create a Web site? Any suggestions from anyone as to which is the best way to go? I guess creating a Web site would provide greater access — but since I have never done any HTML programming, it would be just one more thing for me to learn. I can’t afford to buy any of these specialized programs that aid in Web page creation. Besides I run 16-bit Windows. HTML is a snap. I had my first web page up within a couple of days of starting. Haven’t you done computer-type stuff before?
Sure, I’ve had experience with a couple dozen or so programming languages and operating systems. I presume there are tutorial Web pages about HTML. Do you have any URLs to recommend? My biggest mental block was that HTML is so crude it was beneath my dignity to learn. You don’t want anything very cutesy anyway, just a straightforward presentation of the facts. That’s assuming, of course, that you’re in a mental state to learn anything right now. You whip out these facts so readily that I assume you’re currently in good mental shape, just not physical, so maybe that was a wrong assumption. Hope you’re doing better today.
Mentally I’m doing OK. I just don’t want to bite off more than I can comfortably chew time wise. The number of NG posts seem to have increased of late. I hate to let them go while I’m dinking around with DEs and HTML. brownee
Best wishes from, James
[snipped] Kids shrieking and bass sounds are on my pet peeve list too. I’ve wondered though just what it is. When I complain about things like that to "normals" they just give me a disgusted look like can’t you come up with something more important to complain about and say everybody resents unwanted noise. But does the unwanted noise feel like physical assault, which is exactly what it feels like to me, to the "normals"? A minor inconvenience to others is acoustic "rape" to me. Thus I prefer to be online early in the morning before the "rapists" awaken.
Thanks for using physical assault verbage too. I’ve likened it to rape too but been told to chill. A relative tells me to "tune it out" while making tuning motions over her ears. Would she be telling me to tune out rape too? [snipped] I no longer recommend regular Effexor now that the extended release (XR) formulation has come out. Originally regular Effexor was prescribed twice per day for me. I went into URC as the med came into my system and then departed — this was repeated twice per day. Once I realized what was happening, I took my total daily prescribed dose, divided it into 4 equal portions, and took it QID. My URC problem was solved immediately! Now I take Effexor XR BID with no cycling whatsoever. You might have a similar positive experience with Effexor XR.
My pdoc just doesn’t give me any extended release anything, even though I tell him I can’t keep track of time very well these days. Right now I’m on regular Wellbutrin, which he wrote on the prescription to be taken 3xdaily, at least 6 hours apart. How does he expect me to be able to do that when I can’t keep track of time, which I’d reminded him of minutes before? I’ve been on it for 2 weeks and haven’t made the third dose once yet. Is the XR more expensive? (HMO-paid rx’s) I guess that’s why they’re asking what time of day I get manic and how long it lasts but I just can’t keep track of time well enough to tell them. The reason that I mentioned Remeron is that it also works with the same two essential neurotransmitters (norepinephrine and serotonin) — however this med’s mechanism is different from than of Effexor. Wellbutrin addresses a third neurotransmitter (dopamine). BTW the SSRIs don’t do much for me (other than sending me hypomanic). So I infer that my brain needs more stimulation from norepinephrine (think adrenaline for the brain). Other options to consider are mood stabilizer meds that affect GABA (Neurontin and Gabatril). I have no personal experience with Gabatril but I have had truly exceptional results from Neurontin. YBMV.
In what way is Neurontin different from Depakote? Depakote is the HMO’s standard drug for mania, other drugs have to be justified by bad side-effects or lack of effectiveness. I’ve only been on Depakote for 6 weeks, too soon to tell. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW I think it was you that asked something about how certain meds can induce URC? I was trying to respond when something screwed up and I lost several posts. I may take some time off and try to formulate and solve the differential equations to demonstrate the effect of a short half life drug has on stability. It shouldn’t be too hard — assuming of course I can shift my brain into high gear. An interesting challenge. I haven’t done any math for more than ten years. BTW I even use a calculator to do basic arithmetic. <Sigh! Yes, it was me. I know you’ve been not feeling well these last few days, James, so I was hoping someone else would post something pointing me to some of your old posts or a Web page or something. This is the first time in my life I’ve been under active pdoc care during a crash-and-burn (I usually just go into total isolation and wait for it to be over) so the frequent changing of meds and constant questioning (what time of day do you start to get manic? how long does it last? etc.) are really disconcerting. I don’t know if what I’m going through now is what I do anyway, just haven’t been dwelling on it, or because of all the meds, or what. To reduce the confusion and to hopefully introduce some measure of order in the midst of chaos, I NEVER like to make more than one med or dosage change at a time. I then wait for a sufficient time and see what transpires. Now obviously in a hospital situation more aggressive measures can (and should) be taken.
But what’s sufficient time? I have no idea whether the meds I’m now on (Depakote and Wellbutrin) are doing enough of what they’re supposed to be doing, just that they aren’t having sufficiently bad side-effects that I need to change. Up until this crash, I had been a slow cycler, but this time, events had been set in motion before the crash that are carrying me along in such a way that the crash would have been different anyway. (For example, this is the first time I’ve had disability insurance and so the first time I’ve had to deal with a bureaucracy during what is usually my isolation/recovery period.) So between just being totally screwed over by the severity of the depressive crash in December and these other influences, I’m having a very hard time judging anything. James, I join the rest of those asking you to take care of yourself. Thank you! However as long as I don’t move, I seem to be doing OK. But I am intending additional bed rest. Then I’ll have to figure out some way of posting binary graphical files that people could decode. Or maybe I should just create a Web site? Any suggestions from anyone as to which is the best way to go? I guess creating a Web site would provide greater access — but since I have never done any HTML programming, it would be just one more thing for me to learn. I can’t afford to buy any of these specialized programs that aid in Web page creation. Besides I run 16-bit Windows.
HTML is a snap. I had my first web page up within a couple of days of starting. Haven’t you done computer-type stuff before? My biggest mental block was that HTML is so crude it was beneath my dignity to learn. You don’t want anything very cutesy anyway, just a straightforward presentation of the facts. That’s assuming, of course, that you’re in a mental state to learn anything right now. You whip out these facts so readily that I assume you’re currently in good mental shape, just not physical, so maybe that was a wrong assumption. Hope you’re doing better today. brownee Best regards from, James
brownee
<Posted and Mailed to Brownee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After I talked with my pdoc yesterday, I realized what my problem must be. It’s not a complete breakthru, I must have known it before. A real breakthru would be to overcome these — intrusions. <snipped To me, the worst is the thwump-thwump-thwump of a basketball. On a good day I can drown it out making my own noise inside but on a bad day I’m in bed in a fetal position with hands over my head sobbing. All those noises feel like physical assaults, not just sound. A thump, thump bass sound does that to me. I don’t mind basketball sounds. Perhaps having played it may have some bearing. Another sound that grates on my nerves is the shrieks of young girls playing. They are just having fun. I assure you that it is NO FUN for me!!! Kids shrieking and bass sounds are on my pet peeve list too. I’ve wondered though just what it is. When I complain about things like that to "normals" they just give me a disgusted look like can’t you come up with something more important to complain about and say everybody resents unwanted noise. But does the unwanted noise feel like physical assault, which is exactly what it feels like to me, to the "normals"?
A minor inconvenience to others is acoustic "rape" to me. Thus I prefer to be online early in the morning before the "rapists" awaken. My pdoc says SSRIs help this problem but we haven’t been able to find one that doesn’t give me a rare side-effect — a staticky noise in my brain, like electricity going off in there. Makes taking all the other noises even harder. So maybe my pdoc isn’t right about this one. Just a thought: Have you ever tried Effexor XR or Remeron? No guarantees! Also there is the new antidepressant Celexa that reputedly has fewer adverse side effects than any other SSRI. I’ve tried Effexor and it has been the most effective AD I’ve ever taken, so much so that it pushed me into the first purely manic episode I’d ever had after decades of mixed episodes. But it too made that horrible noise in my head, so now I’m trying Wellbutrin.
I no longer recommend regular Effexor now that the extended release (XR) formulation has come out. Originally regular Effexor was prescribed twice per day for me. I went into URC as the med came into my system and then departed — this was repeated twice per day. Once I realized what was happening, I took my total daily prescribed dose, divided it into 4 equal portions, and took it QID. My URC problem was solved immediately! Now I take Effexor XR BID with no cycling whatsoever. You might have a similar positive experience with Effexor XR. The reason that I mentioned Remeron is that it also works with the same two essential neurotransmitters (norepinephrine and serotonin) — however this med’s mechanism is different from than of Effexor. Wellbutrin addresses a third neurotransmitter (dopamine). BTW the SSRIs don’t do much for me (other than sending me hypomanic). So I infer that my brain needs more stimulation from norepinephrine (think adrenaline for the brain). Other options to consider are mood stabilizer meds that affect GABA (Neurontin and Gabatril). I have no personal experience with Gabatril but I have had truly exceptional results from Neurontin. YBMV. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW I think it was you that asked something about how certain meds can induce URC? I was trying to respond when something screwed up and I lost several posts. I may take some time off and try to formulate and solve the differential equations to demonstrate the effect of a short half life drug has on stability. It shouldn’t be too hard — assuming of course I can shift my brain into high gear. An interesting challenge. I haven’t done any math for more than ten years. BTW I even use a calculator to do basic arithmetic. <Sigh! Yes, it was me. I know you’ve been not feeling well these last few days, James, so I was hoping someone else would post something pointing me to some of your old posts or a Web page or something. This is the first time in my life I’ve been under active pdoc care during a crash-and-burn (I usually just go into total isolation and wait for it to be over) so the frequent changing of meds and constant questioning (what time of day do you start to get manic? how long does it last? etc.) are really disconcerting. I don’t know if what I’m going through now is what I do anyway, just haven’t been dwelling on it, or because of all the meds, or what.
To reduce the confusion and to hopefully introduce some measure of order in the midst of chaos, I NEVER like to make more than one med or dosage change at a time. I then wait for a sufficient time and see what transpires. Now obviously in a hospital situation more aggressive measures can (and should) be taken. James, I join the rest of those asking you to take care of yourself.
Thank you! However as long as I don’t move, I seem to be doing OK. But I am intending additional bed rest. Then I’ll have to figure out some way of posting binary graphical files that people could decode. Or maybe I should just create a Web site?
Any suggestions from anyone as to which is the best way to go? I guess creating a Web site would provide greater access — but since I have never done any HTML programming, it would be just one more thing for me to learn. I can’t afford to buy any of these specialized programs that aid in Web page creation. Besides I run 16-bit Windows. brownee
Best regards from, James
When my meds are not working that is when the "intrusions" are most annoying to me. It is one of the ways that I know that it is time for another trip to the pdoc. I could kill my hubby when he eats an apple ..always, Treacha ..as the twig bends…so the tree grows…
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <Posted and Mailed to Brownee After I talked with my pdoc yesterday, I realized what my problem must be. It’s not a complete breakthru, I must have known it before. A real breakthru would be to overcome these — intrusions. <snipped To me, the worst is the thwump-thwump-thwump of a basketball. On a good day I can drown it out making my own noise inside but on a bad day I’m in bed in a fetal position with hands over my head sobbing. All those noises feel like physical assaults, not just sound. A thump, thump bass sound does that to me. I don’t mind basketball sounds. Perhaps having played it may have some bearing. Another sound that grates on my nerves is the shrikes of young girls playing. They are just having fun. I assure you that it is NO FUN for me!!!
Kids shrieking and bass sounds are on my pet peeve list too. I’ve wondered though just what it is. When I complain about things like that to "normals" they just give me a disgusted look like can’t you come up with something more important to complain about and say everybody resents unwanted noise. But does the unwanted noise feel like physical assault, which is exactly what it feels like to me, to the "nromals"? My pdoc says SSRIs help this problem but we haven’t been able to find one that doesn’t give me a rare side-effect — a staticky noise in my brain, like electricity going off in there. Makes taking all the other noises even harder. So maybe my pdoc isn’t right about this one. Just a thought: Have you ever tried Effexor XR or Remeron? No guarantees! Also there is the new antidepressant Celexa that reputedly has fewer adverse side effects than any other SSRI.
I’ve tried Effexor and it has been the most effective AD I’ve ever taken, so much so that it pushed me into the first purely manic episode I’d ever had after decades of mixed episodes. But it too made that horrible noise in my head, so now I’m trying Wellbutrin. BTW I think it was you that asked something about how certain meds can induce URC? I was trying to respond when something screwed up and I lost several posts. I may take some time off and try to formulate and solve the differential equations to demonstrate the effect of a short half life drug has on stability. It shouldn’t be too hard — assuming of course I can shift my brain into high gear. An interesting challenge. I haven’t done any math for more than ten years. BTW I even use a calculator to do basic arithmetic. <Sigh!
Yes, it was me. I know you’ve been not feeling well these last few days, James, so I was hoping someone else would post something pointing me to some of your old posts or a webpage or something. This is the first time in my life I’ve been under active pdoc care during a crash-and-burn (I usually just go into total isolation and wait for it to be over) so the frequent changing of meds and constant questioning (what time of day do you start to get manic? how long does it last? etc) are really disconcerting. I don’t know if what I’m going through now is what I do anyway, just haven’t been dwelling on it, or because of all the meds, or what. James, I join the rest of those asking you to take care of yourself. Then I’ll have to figure out some way of posting binary graphical files that people could decode. Or maybe I should just create a Web site? brownee Best regards from, James
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<snip That is tough, I can relate. I get overwhelmed by intrusions alot. I need peace time. Time by myself to rejuvenate or I am lost.
<snip me too. You are optimistic, I think, to think of these things as intrusions. I whine about "painful stimuli". Also, as my dearest friends know…I am developing agorophobia as a coping mechanism. Seriously, not afraid to leave the house, just not willing to pay the price much anymore. Kicker, isn’t it, when even good times are stressors?! Understand completely (?), regards from julie
<Posted and Mailed to Brownee After I talked with my pdoc yesterday, I realized what my problem must be. It’s not a complete breakthru, I must have known it before. A real breakthru would be to overcome these — intrusions. <snipped To me, the worst is the thwump-thwump-thwump of a basketball. On a good day I can drown it out making my own noise inside but on a bad day I’m in bed in a fetal position with hands over my head sobbing. All those noises feel like physical assaults, not just sound.
A thump, thump bass sound does that to me. I don’t mind basketball sounds. Perhaps having played it may have some bearing. Another sound that grates on my nerves is the shrikes of young girls playing. They are just having fun. I assure you that it is NO FUN for me!!! My pdoc says SSRIs help this problem but we haven’t been able to find one that doesn’t give me a rare side-effect — a staticky noise in my brain, like electricity going off in there. Makes taking all the other noises even harder. So maybe my pdoc isn’t right about this one.
Just a thought: Have you ever tried Effexor XR or Remeron? No guarantees! Also there is the new antidepressant Celexa that reputedly has fewer adverse side effects than any other SSRI. BTW I think it was you that asked something about how certain meds can induce URC? I was trying to respond when something screwed up and I lost several posts. I may take some time off and try to formulate and solve the differential equations to demonstrate the effect of a short half life drug has on stability. It shouldn’t be too hard — assuming of course I can shift my brain into high gear. An interesting challenge. I haven’t done any math for more than ten years. BTW I even use a calculator to do basic arithmetic. <Sigh! Then I’ll have to figure out some way of posting binary graphical files that people could decode. Or maybe I should just create a Web site? brownee
Best regards from, James
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A perfect illustration between the bipolar and the schizophrenic was learned in my psych rotation… Bipolar is a mood disorder classification(like yhu don’t know that one) Depression is depression, mania is mania. Really reallyhappy…really really said – DUH…right? Scizophrenia is a thought disorder. My schz pt scored higher on the Beck depression score than I did. No depressive symtpoms noted with the exception of the flat affect and lethargic gait, most likely due to meds. However, when asked to write a letter to his mom, he wrote the whole letter and then starting back from the beginning – added the punctuation! THOOUGHT Disorder. Bipolar – as I am sure you are aware – can have psychotic features, and especially drug induced which is very commen in non compliant pts who self medicate. My mother too, was diagnosed scz in the 60’s when psychiatric research was still so young….but as i look back now, and replay the pattern of her life. She was Bipolar with drug indced psychosis, noncompliant, self medicater. Just a thought. Elaine A perfect illustration between the bipolar and the schizophrenic was learned in my psych rotation… Bipolar – as I am sure you are aware – can have psychotic features, and especially drug induced which is very commen in non compliant pts who self medicate.
I think that may be the case, but he doesn’t self medicate anymore. I think he just got fried as a guinea pig in the institutions. He was completely at their mercy. All I remember is when he got out… in a moment of clarity, he remarked "I have walked through hell." I don’t know if he is bipolar and severely burned from treatment, or a true sz. May none of us know the hell he saw. He went to NY and lived the streets for three years after that. He went to California. When he finally returned to Miami he was so far gone. Those moments of clarity are fewer than ever. I think part of the delusions are armor for protection. I will never know. My mother too, was diagnosed scz in the 60’s when psychiatric research was still so young….but as i look back now, and replay the pattern of her life. She was Bipolar with drug indced psychosis, noncompliant, self medicater.
In the early days he would use alcohol but that ended after his hospitalizations to the best of my knowledge. Just a thought.
Thanks for your input Elaine. Julie —
My father is a diagnosed schizophrenic. Interesting. (I mentioned my father to my pdoc. He doesn’t think I’m sz, but he has me on Risperdal, which is a typical sz med.)
My father is also a dx’d schizophrenic, although my doc believes that he is BP since my sister and I are BP. I understand alot of people are misdiagnosed. I must say that my father was not misdiagnosed. He is a true schizophrenic. This might explain the way I feel so sensitized to stimuli all around me. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Julie —
A perfect illustration between the bipolar and the schizophrenic was learned in my psych rotation… Bipolar is a mood disorder classification(like yhu don’t know that one) Depression is depression, mania is mania. Really reallyhappy…really really said – DUH…right? Scizophrenia is a thought disorder. My schz pt scored higher on the Beck depression score than I did. No depressive symtpoms noted with the exception of the flat affect and lethargic gait, most likely due to meds. However, when asked to write a letter to his mom, he wrote the whole letter and then starting back from the beginning – added the punctuation! THOOUGHT Disorder. Bipolar – as I am sure you are aware – can have psychotic features, and especially drug induced which is very commen in non compliant pts who self medicate. My mother too, was diagnosed scz in the 60’s when psychiatric research was still so young….but as i look back now, and replay the pattern of her life. She was Bipolar with drug indced psychosis, noncompliant, self medicater. Just a thought. Elaine
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<Snipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many (most?) people just plain don’t care how much their actions may annoy others! My current Major Objection is the fact that I live in a low income housing project where it must the requirement for every vehicle to be equipped with kilowatt subwuffers continually blasting out rap at top volume. Even in my cave barricaded against all types of sounds, I am immersed, assaulted, awakened, and auditorily raped. This goes on for hours on end. At times I think I need to scream! I would — if I thought it would do any good whatsoever. Perhaps some relief may occur when the temperature will get hot enough to turn on the swamp cooler.
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When the thumping bass of my neighbors stereo is louder in my appartment than my own TV….I seriously consider introducing my neighbor to an ancient chinese addage that goes "please don’t hit my fist with your face." Then add to that "rap" sh*t, the sounds of car alarm systems, screaming at 2am "THE VIPER IS ARMED". I hear what you are saying James. Ralph
I am in psych graduate school, and in one class we had a guest lecturer from the Health Science Center here in Denver. He talked about experiments which they have done upon schizophrenics (sz) in which they expose the sz to repeated clicks next to their ears. Normal controls eventually habituate to the sound, i.e. eventually their brains don’t even register the sound any more and it becomes background noise. In contrast, sz never habituate, and the evoked potentials in their brains are just as "startled" looking after 15 minutes of continuous ear clicks. So the poor sz is never able to tune the sound out. They have explored this finding and found that relatives of sz also share this phenomena — they don’t shut out the sound either — but somehow these healthier relatives are able to "multitask" and follow that sound as well as other stimuli.
My father is a diagnosed schizophrenic. Interesting. (I mentioned my father to my pdoc. He doesn’t think I’m sz, but he has me on Risperdal, which is a typical sz med.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In addition there was evidence that within the family that the sz have a smaller brain region (I believe it was hippocampus but don’t quote me) than their relatives who were able to multitask. So, in a bizarre way, conceivably this ability to handle multiple stimuli at once is an evolutionary advantage for most relatives in sz families, except for the unfortunates who have the disorder or a damaged hippocampus. If you have a half-pint screening device and the ability to hear all of the radio stations at once that inability to hunker down and shut out all of the competing stimuli drives you crazy. -Gandalf There is a silence where hath been no sound There is a silence where no sound may be In the cold grave, under the deep deep sea. Thomas Hood (1799-1845)
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<Posted and Mailed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After I talked with my pdoc yesterday, I realized what my problem must be. It’s not a complete breakthru, I must have known it before. A real breakthru would be to overcome these — intrusions. Intrusions. When people in the next cubicle talk loudly and laugh loudly and I can hear them over my earplugs and headphone music, they are intrusive. When I have to take a big whiff of somebody else’s microwave meal, although my cubicle is not very close to the microwave, it is intrusive. When I am in my house , with the windows shut, and I have to hear outside noises (dogs, cars, lawn mowers & blowers, etc.), they are intrusive. When I am trying to concentrate in a class or meeting, and people tap their pencils or play drums on the tables, or shuffle their feet or bounce their legs, or other audible and visible distractions, they are intrusive. I can think of many other examples of how people can be intrusive, even if they don’t mean to be (yeah, right!) But that’s my problem.
Many (most?) people just plain don’t care how much their actions may annoy others! My current Major Objection is the fact that I live in a low income housing project where it must the requirement for every vehicle to be equipped with kilowatt subwuffers continually blasting out rap at top volume. Even in my cave barricaded against all types of sounds, I am immersed, assaulted, awakened, and auditorily raped. This goes on for hours on end. At times I think I need to scream! I would — if I thought it would do any good whatsoever. Perhaps some relief may occur when the temperature will get hot enough to turn on the swamp cooler. I thought about this ever since I told my pdoc about the Poe "The Fall of the House of Usher", where the man would be tormented by sounds and smells. Could that be me? (Who’d ever think a Poe tale to be therapeutic? :)
I am even tormented by people grilling a steak a block away. I immediately feel like making new friends. Interests (as I posted) — I have several. There are many things I want to do. But people with their intrusions get in the way. Neurontin — I just started. Hope it works. (My lithium level was too low, but I had too many side effects.) Zoloft and Risperdal — they continue.
If you are sensitive to Neurontin’s antidepressive effects, you may need to reduce or even totally eliminate Zoloft to prevent (hypo)mania from being induced. Be warned and be very careful how you take Neurontin. But whatever the meds, I have to somehow deal with the intrusion factor.
Short of a prefrontal lobotomy — I don’t know what to do either. I certainly wish I could turn my sensitivity setting down a bunch!!! Maybe this is a social phobia issue? But I tried the social phob. NG before. Nobody would answer what I had to say. (Too phobic, I guess. <g ) Hope you-all answer. Thanks. bw PS The internet at work is down, so I’m going in late; I am typing this from the public library. (Which isn’t easy for me, with all the people here. Maybe I’m putting my nervous energy toward this message?) So you can see that either this issue is important to me, or I’m an NG addict or something …
I don’t mind admitting that I’m a Net addict. I believe that some addictions are worth having. James
After I talked with my pdoc yesterday, I realized what my problem must be. It’s not a complete breakthru, I must have known it before. A real breakthru would be to over come these — intrusions.
<snipped To me, the worst is the thwump-thwump-thwump of a basketball. On a good day I can drown it out making my own noise inside but on a bad day I’m in bed in a fetal position with hands over my head sobbing. All those noises feel like physical assaults, not just sound. My pdoc says SSRIs help this problem but we haven’t been able to find one that doesn’t give me a rare side-effect — a staticky noise in my brain, like electricity going off in there. Makes taking all the other noises even harder. So maybe my pdoc isn’t right about this one. brownee
I can usually handle the music at loud parties in the nieghbor hood – it is the screaming OVER the music that I just go ballistic over. And what about people you ride in the car with who take 10 minutes to find the perfect station, turn up the volumne and then start a conversation? Elaine
I am in psych graduate school, and in one class we had a guest lecturer from the Health Science Center here in Denver. He talked about experiments which they have done upon schizophrenics (sz) in which they expose the sz to repeated clicks next to their ears. Normal controls eventually habituate to the sound, i.e. eventually their brains don’t even register the sound any more and it becomes background noise. In contrast, sz never habituate, and the evoked potentials in their brains are just as "startled" looking after 15 minutes of continuous ear clicks. So the poor sz is never able to tune the sound out. They have explored this finding and found that relatives of sz also share this phenomena — they don’t shut out the sound either — but somehow these healthier relatives are able to "multitask" and follow that sound as well as other stimuli. In addition there was evidence that within the family that the sz have a smaller brain region (I believe it was hippocampus but don’t quote me) than their relatives who were able to multitask. So, in a bizarre way, conceivably this ability to handle multiple stimuli at once is an evolutionary advantage for most relatives in sz families, except for the unfortunates who have the disorder or a damaged hippocampus. If you have a half-pint screening device and the ability to hear all of the radio stations at once that inability to hunker down and shut out all of the competing stimuli drives you crazy. -Gandalf There is a silence where hath been no sound There is a silence where no sound may be In the cold grave, under the deep deep sea. Thomas Hood (1799-1845)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After I talked with my pdoc yesterday, I realized what my problem must be. It’s not a complete breakthru, I must have known it before. A real breakthru would be to over come these — intrusions. Intrusions. When people in the next cubicle talk loudly and laugh loudly and I can hear them over my earplugs and headphone music, they are intrusive. When I have to take a big whiff of somebody else’s microwave meal, although my cubicle is not very close to the microwave, it is intrusive. When I am in my house , with the windows shut, and I have to hear outside noises (dogs, cars, lawn mowers & blowers, etc), they are intrusive. When I am trying to concentrate in a class or meeting, and people tap their pencils or play drums on the tables, or shuffle their feet or bounce their legs, or other audible and visible distractions, they are intrusive.
Don’t forget the evil perfume addicts. I can think of many other examples of how people can be intrusive, even if they don’t mean to be (yeah, right!) But that’s my problem. I thought about this ever since I told my pdoc about the Poe "The Fall of the House of Usher", where the man would be tormented by sounds and smells. Could that be me? (Who’d ever think a Poe tale to be therapeutic? :) Interests (as I posted) — I have several. There are many things I want to do. But people with their intrusions get in the way.
That is tough, I can relate. I get overwhelmed by intrusions alot. I need peace time. Time by myself to rejuvenate or I am lost. Neurontin — I just started. Hope it works. (My lithium level was to low, but I had too many side effects.) Zoloft and Risperdal — they continue.
Neurontin here too. Unfortunately it is a new drug for me so no advice here. I hope it helps, especially with fewer side effects! But whatever the meds, I have to somehow deal with the intrusion factor. Maybe this is a social phobia issue? But I tried the social phob. NG before. Nobody would answer what I had to say. (Too phobic, I guess. <g ) Hope you-all answer. Thanks. bw PS The internet at work is down, so I’m going in late; I am typing this from the public library. (Which isn’t easy for me, with all the people here. Maybe I’m putting my nervous energy toward this message?) So you can see that either this issue is important to me, or I’m an NG addict or something
Ditto… it is my equivalent to an interactive soap opera. Normally I don’t respond to this many posts, but I have more free time and the Neurontin is making me happy! Good Luck! Julie —
After I talked with my pdoc yesterday, I realized what my problem must be. It’s not a complete breakthru, I must have known it before. A real breakthru would be to over come these — intrusions. Intrusions. When people in the next cubicle talk loudly and laugh loudly and I can hear them over my earplugs and headphone music, they are intrusive. When I have to take a big whiff of somebody else’s microwave meal, although my cubicle is not very close to the microwave, it is intrusive. When I am in my house , with the windows shut, and I have to hear outside noises (dogs, cars, lawn mowers & blowers, etc), they are intrusive. When I am trying to concentrate in a class or meeting, and people tap their pencils or play drums on the tables, or shuffle their feet or bounce their legs, or other audible and visible distractions, they are intrusive. I can think of many other examples of how people can be intrusive, even if they don’t mean to be (yeah, right!) But that’s my problem. I thought about this ever since I told my pdoc about the Poe "The Fall of the House of Usher", where the man would be tormented by sounds and smells. Could that be me? (Who’d ever think a Poe tale to be therapeutic? :) Interests (as I posted) — I have several. There are many things I want to do. But people with their intrusions get in the way. Neurontin — I just started. Hope it works. (My lithium level was to low, but I had too many side effects.) Zoloft and Risperdal — they continue. But whatever the meds, I have to somehow deal with the intrusion factor. Maybe this is a social phobia issue? But I tried the social phob. NG before. Nobody would answer what I had to say. (Too phobic, I guess. <g ) Hope you-all answer. Thanks. bw PS The internet at work is down, so I’m going in late; I am typing this from the public library. (Which isn’t easy for me, with all the people here. Maybe I’m putting my nervous energy toward this message?) So you can see that either this issue is important to me, or I’m an NG addict or something …
i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor. i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable. should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone? ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info. thanks
I was on Effexor for about five weeks. The Effexor really did not do anything for me. I felt anxious all the time. I finally went to the doctor and demanded that he change my prescription. I am on Prozac 20mg/day plus Ativan 2mg at night. JP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor. i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable. should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone? ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info. thanks
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim I beg to differ. TCA’s as a rule do increase symptoms in the first weeks as well. With most SRI’s it’s the same and in both cases this is of a passing nature. I don’t really know about MAOI’s. Philip
When I first went on a TCA I could hardly do anything for about 4 days except fall asleep. I was trying to get my act together to complain to the Doctor about this, when it suddenly cleared up. YYMV of course. — Jon Guite When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return address
In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim
I beg to differ. TCA’s as a rule do increase symptoms in the first weeks as well. With most SRI’s it’s the same and in both cases this is of a passing nature. I don’t really know about MAOI’s. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor. i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable. should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone? ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info. thanks — Friends, don’t let friends eat haggis.
Hi. I was on Klonopin and Effexor at once before. I was also on two other crappy meds, so It is hard to judge. Effexor did a lot for my depression at first, but after about 3 months, it really didn’t have any effect. I was on 175mg, about go on 300 when I switched to Parnate-an MAO. It has *Really* helped my depression a lot. It has also improved my anxiety. Klonopin also improved my anxiety, but I was a zombie and had a hard time getting up and functioning. Good luck. i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor. i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable. should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone? ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info. thanks
According to the literature I got w/my prescrip of effexor ANXIETY is one of the possible side-effects of effexor. Other possible side-effects include: dizziness, nausea, dry mouth and rapid heartbeat. I’ve experiences all of the side effects except dizziness. I cut my effexor tablets in half now and the more severe side-effects have vanished. Doug
In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor. i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable. should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone? ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info. thanks
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i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor. i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable. should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone? ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info. thanks
Why did you go off Paxil? Which AD’s did you try? I wouldn’t take Klonopin if I were you as this is contra-indicated for people suffering from depression. Xanax, however, has a slight antidepressant component of its own. Have you tried a TCA? Trazodone is not a good anti-anxiety med. I always thought Serzone wasn’t either, unless combined with Xanax, but lately quite some people here have reported good results. If you tried the other options this might be a med for you to try now. It enhances the effect of Xanax which means that you can take less Xanax than you weuld normally do and maybe you can have longer breaks in between doses. Let no-one tell you that Serzone/Xanax is a bad combo because it isn’t if prescribed and used in the right way. Of course there are still the MAOI’s to consider which seem the most effective meds but have other disadvantages. Please let us know how you carry on! Philip