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Aldi’s.   SaltyJ

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Our local Safeway carries nearly all of its own brand ("Safeway Select") sodas as both regular and diet. The only one they don’t seem to copy is Fresca – which of course is my favourite. Generally speaking the generic brands are as good as brand names. In fact one Canadian company (Cott) has built a large market share by producing generic sodas that taste better than the "real thing". In some places these are sold under the "President’s Choice" lable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have found myself clinging to diet sodas on my diet.  its the way I treat myself and I can drink tons of the stuff.  what I have found though is its expensive like 1.49 per 2 liter at the local store for diet sodas so I want to buy some in bulk but don’t know where to look. I don’t care about brand names and noticed many companies have generic alternatives to the popular sodas like cola, root beer, creme soda, dr. pepper, mt. dew, etc.  BUT what I haven’t seen is much diet alternatives to these except cola and lemon lime. So I was just wondering for those that care about cost and drink diet soda where do you shop to get the best deals for 2 liter bottles of the stuff?  I know safeway, sunny select, walmart and a few other big stores carry generic brands but am I wrong in thinking that besides the name brand diet sodas, generic vendors don’t cater to our market so Im really stuck buying the name brand stuff?

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I have found myself clinging to diet sodas on my diet.  its the way I treat myself and I can drink tons of the stuff.  what I have found though is its expensive like 1.49 per 2 liter at the local store for diet sodas so I want to buy some in bulk but don’t know where to look. I don’t care about brand names and noticed many companies have generic alternatives to the popular sodas like cola, root beer, creme soda, dr. pepper, mt. dew, etc.  BUT what I haven’t seen is much diet alternatives to these except cola and lemon lime. So I was just wondering for those that care about cost and drink diet soda where do you shop to get the best deals for 2 liter bottles of the stuff?  I know safeway, sunny select, walmart and a few other big stores carry generic brands but am I wrong in thinking that besides the name brand diet sodas, generic vendors don’t cater to our market so Im really stuck buying the name brand stuff?

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I’ve seen almost every variety of cheap generic pop in most of the stores where I shop… in diet, even in caffeine free diet at times.  Ask at the store if you don’t see it on the shelf. I personally spend the extra $$ and buy only Diet Coke… all generic that I have found are basically Pepsi products and I don’t really like the taste of Diet Pepsi (only in a pinch).  But that’s me… Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have found myself clinging to diet sodas on my diet.  its the way I treat myself and I can drink tons of the stuff.  what I have found though is its expensive like 1.49 per 2 liter at the local store for diet sodas so I want to buy some in bulk but don’t know where to look. I don’t care about brand names and noticed many companies have generic alternatives to the popular sodas like cola, root beer, creme soda, dr. pepper, mt. dew, etc.  BUT what I haven’t seen is much diet alternatives to these except cola and lemon lime. So I was just wondering for those that care about cost and drink diet soda where do you shop to get the best deals for 2 liter bottles of the stuff?  I know safeway, sunny select, walmart and a few other big stores carry generic brands but am I wrong in thinking that besides the name brand diet sodas, generic vendors don’t cater to our market so Im really stuck buying the name brand stuff?

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Prozac May Soon Have a Generic Brand (washingtonpost.com)        By Katrina Hull       Associated Press Writer       Monday, July 30, 2001; 5:48 PM       INDIANAPOLIS

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My left ear has been ringing off and on for the last couple of weeks.  There also seems to be pressure and slight pain around my ear.  I’ve had a sinus infection in the past on my left side that caused my jaw to hurt.  Is it possible that the ringing in my ear is caused by a sinus infection?  I’ve read up on Tinnitus and I am very worried about what I’ve read.  The folks who have gotten it still have it and there is no cure.  I have an appt. with an ENT in 10 days but am concerned that a sinus infection may cause permanent damage if not treated immediately.  Anyone have any experience with ear problems related to a sinus infection?

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Yes- I have it. I thought I was the only one. On certain days, my ears ring off the hook and make me crazier than I already am. I find that if I take a hot shower, it relieves it somewhat. I keep trying to tell the doctors that I can "hear" all the fluid in my head but they just ignore me.

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Andy, in my case, the ringing in my left ear is directly related to my sinus condition, also on the left side. On "good" sinus days, the ringing is low, on "bad" sinus days (heavy pressure and headaches) the ringing is very loud.  If you’ve had a recent sinus infection, do research to find out how you can return them to a healthy state.  Sinus problems are complicated and it seems  they’re very unique to each of us so the same cure is not the same for everyone. Good luck Brad

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yes…i hear what your saying..i have been getting this horrible pain and ringing in my right ear for days now.. it comes and goes.. most of the probs with the ear canal is post nasal drip… i also get the numbing of the neck and stiff neck from it.. any one else out there get a stiff neck and numbing of the neck area off and on?.. but yeah man i hear you on the ear thing..no doubt about it..                Nate   (jersey)

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when you "hear the fluid in your head, does it sound like a "squeaking" type sound or like someone is rubbing something in your ears.. almost like the sound of someone rubbing a balloon? it may sound crazy but thats what i experience…                please let me know a.s.a.p…!!!                nate  (jersey)

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The noise I hear is a high pitched hiss

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In article <s4fngl8tgs…@corp.supernews.com

,

  "Andy Alshouse" <aalsho…@opticalsolutions.com

wrote: My left ear has been ringing off and on for the last couple of

weeks.  There

also seems to be pressure and slight pain around my ear.  I’ve had a

sinus

infection in the past on my left side that caused my jaw to hurt.  Is

it

possible that the ringing in my ear is caused by a sinus infection?

I’ve

read up on Tinnitus and I am very worried about what I’ve read.  The

folks

who have gotten it still have it and there is no cure.  I have an

ay cause

permanent damage if not treated immediately.  Anyone have any

I am just getting over a bad sinus infection with ear infection and I also have the hissing noise in the ears now.  I don’t think it will ever go away it is something one will have to live with.  I bought a nature sounds machine and listen to that to cover the noise works well.  There is no cure for tinnitus, my husband has it too.  Just another thing to live with.  Luc…@aol.com

with ear problems related to a sinus infection?

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Pulmicort and Budesonide are the same medicine.  One is the trade / brand name and the other is the generic name, just like Salbutamol  is called Ventolin. The delivery device is called a turbohaler, for the powder.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Jack, Yes I am from the UK and Flixotide is indeed fluticasone administered with the CFC free propellant-HFA 134a, known as the Evohaler (correct spelling). So in the USA it’s known as Flovent, that’s interesting to know, thanks for pointing this out to me. I asked my chemist if the old propellant ones were still available but he said they’re being fased out…..enviromental regulations. I take it this also applies in the United States? I must say, the new evohaler doesn’t give me much confidence, especially when nearing the end of it’s 120 actuations.  The spray is sometimes very weak unlike the older propellant which was very strong and you could actually taste it which I found reasurring. Anyway, I’ll persevere, like my GP suggested but I don’t like the idea of increasing the medication, that to me seems a backward step, afterall I did so well on the 50 micrograms for the past 3 years, I don’t believe my asthma as worsend, just the change in medication. This brings me onto the powder alternative, the ‘Pulmicort’, is this the name of the actual device from which the powder is administered? And what is Budesonide? Thank you to all who replied. BTW, when I visited my GP recently I had my Peak flow checked and after 3 tries I could only get as high as 450, I was quite alarmed when he said the average for a normal male of my age and height is 680. John. < John.  Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it?  We call it Flovent.  Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid.  In which case you may want to go back to a propelled  medication whether the old  or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)

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John.  Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it?  We call it Flovent.  Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid.  In which case you may want to go back to a propelled  medication whether the old  or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)

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Hello Jack, Yes I am from the UK and Flixotide is indeed fluticasone administered with the CFC free propellant-HFA 134a, known as the Evohaler (correct spelling). So in the USA it’s known as Flovent, that’s interesting to know, thanks for pointing this out to me. I asked my chemist if the old propellant ones were still available but he said they’re being fased out…..enviromental regulations. I take it this also applies in the United States? I must say, the new evohaler doesn’t give me much confidence, especially when nearing the end of it’s 120 actuations.  The spray is sometimes very weak unlike the older propellant which was very strong and you could actually taste it which I found reasurring. Anyway, I’ll persevere, like my GP suggested but I don’t like the idea of increasing the medication, that to me seems a backward step, afterall I did so well on the 50 micrograms for the past 3 years, I don’t believe my asthma as worsend, just the change in medication. This brings me onto the powder alternative, the ‘Pulmicort’, is this the name of the actual device from which the powder is administered? And what is Budesonide? Thank you to all who replied. BTW, when I visited my GP recently I had my Peak flow checked and after 3 tries I could only get as high as 450, I was quite alarmed when he said the average for a normal male of my age and height is 680. John. < – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John.  Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it?  We call it Flovent.  Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid.  In which case you may want to go back to a propelled  medication whether the old  or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)

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I can remember when I couldn’t see across the street on smoggy days. I think that things are actually a lot better, as compared to the 60s for example. Perhaps you are younger, and don’t remember! Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."

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I wonder whether recent environmental degeneration has had an impact on our air quality / pollutants and therefore a knock-on effect to asthma sufferers

This has been examined.  Poor air quality can aggravate existing asthma but will not cause asthma. "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992

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Since I was put on Flixotide 50 (replacing Becotide 100) about three years ago, my ashtma has been very well controlled, so much so I rarely used my Ventolin/Salbutomol, quite a dramatic improvement to say I used to use my ventolin 2/3 times aday for several years. But now my inhaler has changed to a more enviromently friendly ‘Evoinhaler’ and after a couple of days of using the new evoinhaler, my asthma came back to trouble me. The first thing I noticed when using it was that I couldn’t taste the medication, very unreasurring, not knowing if it was administer correctly or not and it doesn’t spray so powerfully as the old type.  Secondly, a little while after use my chest would tighten a little and now I have a dry/barking cough, maybe it’s the different propellent that’s not suiting me? My Doctor said I should persevere, to readjust and if necessary he would increase the medication to 100. I would like to hear of other peoples experiences with this Evoinhaler, maybe you’ve noticed a difference too. Also, is Flixotide available in dry powder form?  I use to use a spinhaler which I found effective. Thanks. BTW this is my first post to a newsgroup, I discovered this newsgroup with the help of a friend. John age 35

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I just got changed from Flovent to pulmicort for the same reason (propellant made my chest tight after use.) works lots better. I think Flovent has changed it’s propellant, too. Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."

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Instead of Beclazone 250, I am using now Seretide 250 (a snazzy little non CFC inhaler) and it has given me alot more control of my asthma.  After nearly two years in & out of hospital I am relieved to have found it & thoroughly recomend it !! Have you noticed an increase in your own asthmatic events over the last few years? I wonder whether recent environmental degeneration has had an impact on our air quality / pollutants and therefore a knock-on effect to asthma sufferers …….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since I was put on Flixotide 50 (replacing Becotide 100) about three years ago, my ashtma has been very well controlled, so much so I rarely used my Ventolin/Salbutomol, quite a dramatic improvement to say I used to use my ventolin 2/3 times aday for several years. But now my inhaler has changed to a more enviromently friendly ‘Evoinhaler’ and after a couple of days of using the new evoinhaler, my asthma came back to trouble me. The first thing I noticed when using it was that I couldn’t taste the medication, very unreasurring, not knowing if it was administer correctly or not and it doesn’t spray so powerfully as the old type.  Secondly, a little while after use my chest would tighten a little and now I have a dry/barking cough, maybe it’s the different propellent that’s not suiting me? My Doctor said I should persevere, to readjust and if necessary he would increase the medication to 100. I would like to hear of other peoples experiences with this Evoinhaler, maybe you’ve noticed a difference too. Also, is Flixotide available in dry powder form?  I use to use a spinhaler which I found effective. Thanks. BTW this is my first post to a newsgroup, I discovered this newsgroup with the help of a friend. John age 35

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My anxiety/panic attacks are actually a lot better than they use to be.  My depression isn’t as intense as it was say a couple of months ago either.  Right now, my biggest problem seems to be obsessive thoughts that I cannot get out of my mind.  For example, I called a lady friend of mine night before last and she still hasn’t called me back.  She normally calls be back shortly after I call her.  This evening I have gotten myself all worked up about her not calling, thinking that she doesn’t like me anymore or is mad at me about something.  Does anyone else experience this obsessive type of thinking?  Is it part of anxiety or is it possibly a deeper problem?  Take care and happy Easter. Yes. A thought goes through my mind and it circulates and intensifies and it becomes very hard to get rid of. At times the thoughts are very positive obsessions (now that the Zoloft is lifting the depression); other times they are negative obsessions. It could be part of anxiety or depression IMO. The Zoloft has merely transferred them more often to the "positive zone." Of course, you constantly have to work to break those negative cycles. Don’t simmer on anything but positive obsessions.

Hello Marie, Thanks for your reply.  Obsessing about things is a big problem with me.  It seems everyday I am obsessing about some new thought or worry. I have been really bad for this for about six years now.  Sometimes I’ll get so worked up I’ll be just beside myself and don’t know what to do.  When I get like this Seroquel PRN seems to be really helpful. Anyways, thanks again for your reply.  Take care. Chris Hecker

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Hello group, I have been struggling with anxiety pretty much my entire adult life. In addition to anxiety I also suffer from depression, possibly bi-polar.  The meds that I am curently on are Effexor XR- 150 mg Seroquel – 50 mg HS Inderal (to counteract shaking caused by my meds) 40 mg Lithium carbonate – 600 mg HS My anxiety/panic attacks are actually a lot better than they use to be.  My depression isn’t as intense as it was say a couple of months ago either.  Right now, my biggest problem seems to be obsessive thoughts that I cannot get out of my mind.  For example, I called a lady friend of mine night before last and she still hasn’t called me back.  She normally calls be back shortly after I call her.  This evening I have gotten myself all worked up about her not calling, thinking that she doesn’t like me anymore or is mad at me about something.  Does anyone else experience this obsessive type of thinking?  Is it part of anxiety or is it possibly a deeper problem?  Take care and happy Easter. Chris H. Internet Security 101 – http://www.internetsecurity101.net

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My anxiety/panic attacks are actually a lot better than they use to be.  My depression isn’t as intense as it was say a couple of months ago either.  Right now, my biggest problem seems to be obsessive thoughts that I cannot get out of my mind.  For example, I called a lady friend of mine night before last and she still hasn’t called me back.  She normally calls be back shortly after I call her.  This evening I have gotten myself all worked up about her not calling, thinking that she doesn’t like me anymore or is mad at me about something.  Does anyone else experience this obsessive type of thinking?  Is it part of anxiety or is it possibly a deeper problem?  Take care and happy Easter.

Yes. A thought goes through my mind and it circulates and intensifies and it becomes very hard to get rid of. At times the thoughts are very positive obsessions (now that the Zoloft is lifting the depression); other times they are negative obsessions. It could be part of anxiety or depression IMO. The Zoloft has merely transferred them more often to the "positive zone." Of course, you constantly have to work to break those negative cycles. Don’t simmer on anything but positive obsessions.

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In article <CBCDB80EF44270BC.26D7666505F55084.E728EE952AB90…@lp.airnews.net

, "Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -and Kristy" <mearn…@airmail.net

wrote: Hey!  I’m new here, have schizophrenia, and I guess the reason I sought it out is cause I’m having negative symptoms for the first time.  I guess I thought it was related to the quitting smoking, but this may be the price I pay to live. This morning, and for the past four mornings, I didn’t get out of bed.  I missed school and three scheduled interviews.  Could this be seasonal, cyclical or something?  It is really the first time this has ever happened to me.  I was thinking about the word, "apathy."  But, I don’t think that’s it.  I still feel and care.  I just don’t have much energy.  I’m also paranoid about school right now.  I feel like they are telling me lies. I wonder if Y’all know what I mean?  Sounds like it.  I’ve never been in a support group for schizophrenics.  I’ve read books.  Blechy!  They make it sound worse than what I have experienced. . . . So, do you think I’m having negative symptoms?  Sure have had a lot of positive ones.  Voices and what not. Well, sorry to ramble on this way. Yours Truly, Kristy

My problem with not smoking is that I start to get TOO energized. I smoke a Cig and I feel (like crap) back to normal. I want to quit soon. Maybe for my birthday. sp

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Risperdal also badly effects my respiratory system. The main reason I won’t take it. No point in being free of sz symptoms if you are dead. <chuckle

You had this too? when i told my doc that i found it hard to breathe, he was very dismissive that it was NOT the medication causing that. I was put on risperdal also. My lackage of energy increased on the meds and found myself sleeping way too much. When i was outside, walking up hills became very difficult to do, would quickly get out of breath. Before and after the meds…i am in physically good shape and find no problems walking up the hills.

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Glad to you hear you are doing O.K. without regular medication.  I thought Risperidone caused weight gain but not as severely as some other anti-psychotics. I also tried Seroquel but noticed a return of my positive symptoms and quickly switched back to Risperidone.  I’ve also heard that Seroquel has few side-effects.  Hopefully it will be available in Australia soon and you can give it a try. Frank. Dan Coyote, Jon Steiner, Fritz on the fritz, BWAG!, Morpheus <Manage…@nospam.com

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Frank wrote in message … Well I’ve stopped wearing my engineering ring because it’s simply too

tight

to get on and off without half removing my finger.  I have to get it resized.  I think this is due to weight gain though not drug-related swelling.  I can still get my wedding ring on, thank goodness. The main side-effects I’ve noticed from Risperidone are a slowed-down or sedated feeling, weight gain and a sexual side-effect when I was on

higher

doses.  Yes I realize it is very personal to mention this but I feel

people

should be open and informed about these things.  I think I’ve read that

the

sexual side-effect only occurs in a small number of people (just lucky I guess). Frank. Many people have mentioned a lessening of libido while on medication. It seems many if not most sz meds affect the sex drive. The weight gain problem of Risperdal was one of the reasons which

persuaded

me to stop taking drugs altogether. It is one of the more virulent meds in promoting weight gain, so I have

been

told by many sources. It was more important to loose weight because of the associated health problems than to worry about the problems of sz *in my case*. Risperdal also badly effects my respiratory system. The main reason I

won’t

take it. No point in being free of sz symptoms if you are dead. <chuckle I have stelizine as a back up if I need it but so far so good. If at all possible I will not take stelizine because of the very real dangers of developing TD…more so than with the newer drugs. I’ve been on the stuff for over 17 years, on and off. And as you may know, the longer you take some of the older drugs, the greater the danger of developing TD. The quantity is also a determining factor. I am waiting for seroquol <sp to come onto the Australian market. Many people say there isn’t the weight gain problem. BTW, it would have been "nice" if the initial "psychiatrist" had mentioned the long term dangers of stelizine. But this was way back in a time long ago when sufferers were not treated with respect. Has it really changed that much today, I sometimes wonder. Many, if not most of us, are between a rock and a hard place. Regards, Jon

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Ditto to the Risperdal thing (I prefer to call it Risperidone).  I started on 3 mg./day and am now down to 1 mg./day.  I found it took a long time completely eliminate my positive symptoms so don’t expect any quick miracles. Frank. Mark and Kristy <mearn…@airmail.net

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Wow!  This is interesting!  I’m on the risperdal, too.  Could that be related? Your friend, Kristy

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Frank wrote in message …

Well I’ve stopped wearing my engineering ring because it’s simply too tight to get on and off without half removing my finger.  I have to get it resized.  I think this is due to weight gain though not drug-related swelling.  I can still get my wedding ring on, thank goodness. The main side-effects I’ve noticed from Risperidone are a slowed-down or sedated feeling, weight gain and a sexual side-effect when I was on higher doses.  Yes I realize it is very personal to mention this but I feel people should be open and informed about these things.  I think I’ve read that the sexual side-effect only occurs in a small number of people (just lucky I guess). Frank.

Many people have mentioned a lessening of libido while on medication. It seems many if not most sz meds affect the sex drive. The weight gain problem of Risperdal was one of the reasons which persuaded me to stop taking drugs altogether. It is one of the more virulent meds in promoting weight gain, so I have been told by many sources. It was more important to loose weight because of the associated health problems than to worry about the problems of sz *in my case*. Risperdal also badly effects my respiratory system. The main reason I won’t take it. No point in being free of sz symptoms if you are dead. <chuckle

I have stelizine as a back up if I need it but so far so good. If at all possible I will not take stelizine because of the very real dangers of developing TD…more so than with the newer drugs. I’ve been on the stuff for over 17 years, on and off. And as you may know, the longer you take some of the older drugs, the greater the danger of developing TD. The quantity is also a determining factor. I am waiting for seroquol <sp

to come onto the Australian market. Many

people say there isn’t the weight gain problem. BTW, it would have been "nice" if the initial "psychiatrist" had mentioned the long term dangers of stelizine. But this was way back in a time long ago when sufferers were not treated with respect. Has it really changed that much today, I sometimes wonder. Many, if not most of us, are between a rock and a hard place. Regards, Jon

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Wow, 400 hours of sick time.  You win this contest hands down.  You must have a very understanding employer, like me.  Do you find you are able to distinguish between the negative symptoms of your illness and the sedative effect of Risperidone?  I am never quite sure which one is causing my "negative-like" symptoms, especially when I was on a higher dose of Risperidone. Hang in there. Frank. pete_l <pete_lNOpeS…@altavista.com.invalid

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Hi Frank! I had 400 hours off sick last year.  I turned in at 8:30am and worked 9 hours straight today.  I take 4mg/risperidone day.  If you get a heavy negative period it stays around for weeks.  It is not just one day now and then.  Plus I found If I am getting pissed off and leaned on at work the negatives are harder to work through.  If that happens to you , kick someone. Regards, Peter * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network

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Well I’ve stopped wearing my engineering ring because it’s simply too tight to get on and off without half removing my finger.  I have to get it resized.  I think this is due to weight gain though not drug-related swelling.  I can still get my wedding ring on, thank goodness. The main side-effects I’ve noticed from Risperidone are a slowed-down or sedated feeling, weight gain and a sexual side-effect when I was on higher doses.  Yes I realize it is very personal to mention this but I feel people should be open and informed about these things.  I think I’ve read that the sexual side-effect only occurs in a small number of people (just lucky I guess). Frank. Dan Coyote, Jon Steiner, Fritz on the fritz, BWAG!, Morpheus <Manage…@nospam.com

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<enter Jon Frank wrote in message … In my case I’m only on 1 mg./day of Risperidone so I would think any negative symptoms I feel are from my illness and not the medication. Side-effects should be pretty minimal at this dose. Have you ever experienced swelling of the limbs etc as a result of taking Risperadal? Jon

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Yes I found that once a lot of supports were in place and I was on the risperadol I could wake up on time a lot more.  I don’t spend so much time in bed.  I am way more active now. Frank Levy <frank…@netcom.ca

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Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be

thankful

for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish?

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Frank, It is early days, but it seems to be doing the trick for me.  I hope it works for you too – good luck! Tony http://come.to/theloonybin "Frank" <frank…@netcom.ca

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So you find Seroquel works for negative symptoms as well as positive?  I tried Seroquel when I was recovering from my psychosis and my psychotic symptoms returned so I quickly switched back to Risperidone.  Maybe I’ll

ask > my psychiatrist about Seroquel for negative symptoms.  Thanks for the tip. > Frank. > Vicky and Tony <vickyandt…@cwcom.net

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am very intolerant of psychiatric medications and so far I am happy with

it.

No real side effects (which is unusual for me) apart from a dry mouth – but that is easily cured Tony http://come.to/theloonybin

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Frank wrote in message …

In my case I’m only on 1 mg./day of Risperidone so I would think any negative symptoms I feel are from my illness and not the medication. Side-effects should be pretty minimal at this dose.

Have you ever experienced swelling of the limbs etc as a result of taking Risperadal? Jon

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Hey!  I’m new here, have schizophrenia, and I guess the reason I sought it out is cause I’m having negative symptoms for the first time.  I guess I thought it was related to the quitting smoking, but this may be the price I pay to live. This morning, and for the past four mornings, I didn’t get out of bed.  I missed school and three scheduled interviews.  Could this be seasonal, cyclical or something?  It is really the first time this has ever happened to me.  I was thinking about the word, "apathy."  But, I don’t think that’s it.  I still feel and care.  I just don’t have much energy.  I’m also paranoid about school right now.  I feel like they are telling me lies. I wonder if Y’all know what I mean?  Sounds like it.  I’ve never been in a support group for schizophrenics.  I’ve read books.  Blechy!  They make it sound worse than what I have experienced. . . . So, do you think I’m having negative symptoms?  Sure have had a lot of positive ones.  Voices and what not. Well, sorry to ramble on this way. Yours Truly, Kristy

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Wow!  This is interesting!  I’m on the risperdal, too.  Could that be related? Your friend, Kristy

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Hi Kristy, Welcome to the group.  What you’re describing sounds like negative symptoms to me.  For myself lack of motivation is the biggest problem with a bit of apathy thrown in.  That seems to be what you are describing.  I also have trouble getting up at a specific time (especially early in the morning).  I usually am able to pull it off for something important like a meeting at work or a meeting with a client, something like that.  Where I have difficulty is on those regular everyday work days when nothing special is planned.  I find it really tough to get going on those days.  I used to find it hard to get ready to go out with friends or family as well but that seems to have diminished.  It’s mainly work related now. If your positive symptoms are disappearing I wouldn’t be surprised if the negatives are rolling on in.  I haven’t really found anything that helps although Tony has reported that Seroquel is doing the job for him (he just started on it recently).  Drinking coffee seems to help a little.  Of course you have to be out of bed to do that. Hope you feel better, Frank. Mark and Kristy <mearn…@airmail.net

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Hey!  I’m new here, have schizophrenia, and I guess the reason I sought it out is cause I’m having negative symptoms for the first time.  I guess I thought it was related to the quitting smoking, but this may be the price

I

pay to live. This morning, and for the past four mornings, I didn’t get out of bed.  I missed school and three scheduled interviews.  Could this be seasonal, cyclical or something?  It is really the first time this has ever happened to me.  I was thinking about the word, "apathy."  But, I don’t think

that’s

it.  I still feel and care.  I just don’t have much energy.  I’m also paranoid about school right now.  I feel like they are telling me lies. I wonder if Y’all know what I mean?  Sounds like it.  I’ve never been in a support group for schizophrenics.  I’ve read books.  Blechy!  They make it sound worse than what I have experienced. . . . So, do you think I’m

having

negative symptoms?  Sure have had a lot of positive ones.  Voices and what not. Well, sorry to ramble on this way. Yours Truly, Kristy

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Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out of bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally got me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing too badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can be the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be thankful for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

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  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish?

I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

— It is not laziness but more like a vacuum or a rut, being in a rut was described as a grave with both ends kicked out, but I know how hard it is to get it in gear and doing simple things like keeping a room clean or maintaining things, I think we just quit like many who get into those depression ruts and stay there as a result of trauma or some other cause, but I have often wished that someone would kick me in the rear to get started again, since it can be tough to get motivated and the batteries recharged. I also think we lose focus or direction and things being difficult that use to come easy in decision making or thinking with common sense, knowing I was an accident just waiting to happen or a walking disaster and lost that capacity to care about people and understanding things for what they are and only seeing what we imagine things to be, reading more between the lines than what is black and white and often misunderstand motives etc., but for a year or so i just wanted to find a cave and stay there in just losing that will to keep going, having no feeling for anything or anybody, just got to roll the stone away and come out of the tomb which is a process and not a project, little by little and one day at a time in changing the direction of things. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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I know where you are coming from when you speak of reading (too much) between the lines and misinterpreting motives, etc.  This was one of my main problems when I was psychotic.  I thought everything someone said had an alternate meaning (something rude or negative) when it wasn’t intended that way at all.  I’m much better at this now. Frank. Grizz <loco…@worldnet.att.net

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In article <Snmh4.205249$5r2.561…@tor-nn1.netcom.ca,   "Frank Levy" <frank…@netcom.ca wrote:   I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment

and

allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank. — It is not laziness but more like a vacuum or a rut, being in a rut was described as a grave with both ends kicked out, but I know how hard it is to get it in gear and doing simple things like keeping a room clean or maintaining things, I think we just quit like many who get into those depression ruts and stay there as a result of trauma or some other cause, but I have often wished that someone would kick me in the rear to get started again, since it can be tough to get motivated and the batteries recharged. I also think we lose focus or direction and things being difficult that use to come easy in decision making or thinking with common sense, knowing I was an accident just waiting to happen or a walking disaster and lost that capacity to care about people and understanding things for what they are and only seeing what we imagine things to be, reading more between the lines than what is black and white and often misunderstand motives etc., but for a year or so i just wanted to find a cave and stay there in just losing that will to keep going, having no feeling for anything or anybody, just got to roll the stone away and come out of the tomb which is a process and not a project, little by little and one day at a time in changing the direction of things. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Seroquel seems to be working for me Frank.  It was recommended to me as I am very intolerant of psychiatric medications and so far I am happy with it. No real side effects (which is unusual for me) apart from a dry mouth – but that is easily cured Tony http://come.to/theloonybin

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wrote: Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out of bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally got me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing too badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can be the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be thankful for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

I’ve missed allot of work this last year because of Neg symptoms. I’ve been diagnosed with SZ for 20 years, but I’ve never had Neg symptoms before, so this is new to me. I’ve basically been in bed for a year. I drag myself to work, then come home and get in bed. I don’t go out, or do anything. Like you the one thing I do get out of bed for is to get on this newsgroup. Actually I think the meds are what’s causing the "lethargy" Neg symptoms. It’s gotten a little better lately, but still pretty bad. If you figure out an answer, tell me too. SP

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It sure helps to reduce the isolation when you can’t get out!  And it’s something to look forward to! I think that it would be interesting to study the effect of the internet newsgroups and chat rooms on the psychiatric client community.  I imagine it’s opened up communication for a lot of people who previously could only ‘open up’ on the p-doc’s couch. Even a group as socially hidden as the schizophrenic community now finds itself able to share, communicate, and offer support.  What a difference! The ‘Global Village’ idiots rise up, band together,  and discover that they are people, too!  (I mean that in a nice way!  ;-)   ) Love, Strength, and Courage. Frank Levy <frank…@netcom.ca

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Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out

of

bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally got me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing too badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can

be

the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be

thankful

for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

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Hi Frank! I had 400 hours off sick last year.  I turned in at 8:30am and worked 9 hours straight today.  I take 4mg/risperidone day.  If you get a heavy negative period it stays around for weeks.  It is not just one day now and then.  Plus I found If I am getting pissed off and leaned on at work the negatives are harder to work through.  If that happens to you , kick someone. Regards, Peter * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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So you find Seroquel works for negative symptoms as well as positive?  I tried Seroquel when I was recovering from my psychosis and my psychotic symptoms returned so I quickly switched back to Risperidone.  Maybe I’ll ask my psychiatrist about Seroquel for negative symptoms.  Thanks for the tip. Frank. Vicky and Tony <vickyandt…@cwcom.net

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Seroquel seems to be working for me Frank.  It was recommended to me as I

am

very intolerant of psychiatric medications and so far I am happy with it. No real side effects (which is unusual for me) apart from a dry mouth –

but

that is easily cured Tony http://come.to/theloonybin

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Yea, the meds can definitely cause negative-like symptoms as well. Sometimes it’s hard to know which symptoms are from the illness and which are from the meds.  I’ve asked my psychiatrist how you can tell whether your "negative-like" symptoms are caused by the illness or the meds and she always says "I don’t know". In my case I’m only on 1 mg./day of Risperidone so I would think any negative symptoms I feel are from my illness and not the medication. Side-effects should be pretty minimal at this dose. Anyway, hang in there and I hope you feel better.  At least we still make it to work most of the time, right.  There’s something positive there! Frank. Spiritus <spiri…@sanctus.org

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In article <Snmh4.205249$5r2.561…@tor-nn1.netcom.ca, "Frank Levy" <frank…@netcom.ca wrote: Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out

of

bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally

got

me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing

too

badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can

be

the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims

to

help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It

has

my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be

thankful

for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year

or

so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment

and

allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank. I’ve missed allot of work this last year because of Neg symptoms. I’ve

been

diagnosed with SZ for 20 years, but I’ve never had Neg symptoms before, so this is new to me. I’ve basically been in bed for a year. I drag myself to work, then come home and get in bed. I don’t go out, or do anything. Like you the one thing I do get out of bed for is to get on this newsgroup. Actually I think the meds are what’s causing the "lethargy" Neg symptoms. It’s gotten a little better lately, but still pretty bad. If you figure

out

an answer, tell me too. SP

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My negative symptoms went away for a day.  I got lots of laundry done.  I felt energized and motivated. The only recent change, that might be a cause, is that I have been taking a Probiotic called Culturelle for three days. It is much too soon to draw any conclusions. Nothing I have ever previously done has helped with negative symptoms, so this effect is a surprise.

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newer meds helped me get more work done less sleeping all day — Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear www3.sympatico.ca/ptimusk www.webpagex.org "Cubit" <n…@no.not

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My negative symptoms went away for a day.  I got lots of laundry done.  I felt energized and motivated. The only recent change, that might be a cause, is that I have been taking

a

Probiotic called Culturelle for three days. It is much too soon to draw any conclusions. Nothing I have ever previously done has helped with negative symptoms, so this effect is a surprise.

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I suspect high dose gabapentin (Neurontin) may help somewhat.  It may speed the recovery and re regulation of your endogenous opioid system. Take with clonazepam (Klonopin) for first two weeks (probably 1-5 mg/day).  Add Ambien for sleep as needed during week 1 and 2. Perhaps see a Doc? Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi i just want to post this. This is sorta dam scarry for me. If someone could help me out, more so with a proper medicaton regimend and works, ill send them a check for 500 dollars. ya sounds funny but well worth it. to sum it up, iv been addicted to ghb for 2 yrs. It has cost me a 50 thousand dollar job, 2 cars, loss of an apt, loss of numeruous women, friens, family, felony record, 1 yr jail time, and about 50 thousaund on top of that. Iv been to 2 rehabs, 2 addiction specialists, 2 p docts. Have tried 5 different antidepressatns , remeorn, desipramine, prozac, effexor, depakote, xanax.  ALl to no avail.   Iv been humiliated in the media, and have severe social phobia. Have been tuted as a rapist, cannot get a girlfriend due to this, friends and family look at me as a rapist, and drug addict. I have tried alcohol, opiates, cocaine which STILL didnt help.  i tried being g clean for 2 months and sufferend from severe depression, i feel like im not living and this is a big dream, totally dyphoric, cannot even talk to my own family without being gd up.  my pdoc said he never seen sucha sever addciton much worse than heroin. Now what the fuck could i do. than next cap make me feel TOTALLY 100 percent great. help me please. gman

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Hi Geno, I just wanted to say it’s possible…  My story is similar to yours and I’ve been clean off G about 2 and a half years. Currently on anti depressants, and living a decent life. Withdrawl is a bitch, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s not a train… just seems like one. Best wishes, Rich

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Hi i just want to post this. This is sorta dam scarry for me. If someone could help me out, more so with a proper medicaton regimend and works, ill send them a check for 500 dollars. ya sounds funny but well worth it. to sum it up, iv been addicted to ghb for 2 yrs. It has cost me a 50 thousand dollar job, 2 cars, loss of an apt, loss of numeruous women, friens, family, felony record, 1 yr jail time, and about 50 thousaund on top of that. Iv been to 2 rehabs, 2 addiction specialists, 2 p docts. Have tried 5 different antidepressatns , remeorn, desipramine, prozac, effexor, depakote, xanax.  ALl to no avail.   Iv been humiliated in the media, and have severe social phobia. Have been tuted as a rapist, cannot get a girlfriend due to this, friends and family look at me as a rapist, and drug addict. I have tried alcohol, opiates, cocaine which STILL didnt help.  i tried being g clean for 2 months and sufferend from severe depression, i feel like im not living and this is a big dream, totally dyphoric, cannot even talk to my own family without being gd up.  my pdoc said he never seen sucha sever addciton much worse than heroin. Now what the fuck could i do. than next cap make me feel TOTALLY 100 percent great. help me please. gman

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi i just want to post this. This is sorta dam scarry for me. If someone could help me out, more so with a proper medicaton regimend and works, ill send them a check for 500 dollars. ya sounds funny but well worth it. to sum it up, iv been addicted to ghb for 2 yrs. It has cost me a 50 thousand dollar job, 2 cars, loss of an apt, loss of numeruous women, friens, family, felony record, 1 yr jail time, and about 50 thousaund on top of that. Iv been to 2 rehabs, 2 addiction specialists, 2 p docts. Have tried 5 different antidepressatns , remeorn, desipramine, prozac, effexor, depakote, xanax.  ALl to no avail.  Iv been humiliated in the media, and have severe social phobia. Have been tuted as a rapist, cannot get a girlfriend due to this, friends and family look at me as a rapist, and drug addict. I have tried alcohol, opiates, cocaine which STILL didnt help.  i tried being g clean for 2 months and sufferend from severe depression, i feel like im not living and this is a big dream, totally dyphoric, cannot even talk to my own family without being gd up.  my pdoc said he never seen sucha sever addciton much worse than heroin. Now what the fuck could i do. than next cap make me feel TOTALLY 100 percent great.

Wow!  And I thought meth was addictive.  I’ve never tried GHB and have no idea what would counteract withdrawal symptoms.  Just found this link: http://www.tcada.state.tx.us/research/presentations/Patterns_trends_G… It says that high dosage benzodiazapene treatment can shorten withdrawal, but benzos are also highly addictive.  It also says that an anticonvulsants may help.  I would have suggested an anti-psychotic but the site claims that may increase the incidence of EPS; Haldol is recommended for delirium, though. Amphetamine would certainly pick you up but you aren’t going to find a doctor to prescribe it and it is highly addictive and the crash is terrible.  You should find another doctor and try something besides plain old antidepressant treatment.  Good luck.

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Anon wrote…… Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last.

Dear Anon, People with anxiety disorders need to start anti-depressants at a low dose and to wean slowly, otherwise the side-effects can be very uncomfortable. You started Zoloft at too high a dose, and that is probably the reason you feel so bad. Most people start Zoloft at 12.5 or 25 mgs, they stay at that dose for one week then increase in either of those increments every week or so. If I were you, I would call your doctor and tell him you a reducing your dose due to side-effects. It is also a common practice to use a benzo while weaning on an anti-depressant, you might want to ask your doctor about that. I`ve seen to many people ditch potentially effective meds because their doctor started them at a high dose and weaned them too quickly. Take care and good luck with Zoloft Jackie ~*~The Earth Laughs in Flowers…….

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My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last. Thanks for your support.

Hi Anon, I just started on Zoloft about a month ago.  My doc started me on 50 mgs which everyone thought was too high but he also prescribed .25 mgs of Xanax 3x/day. I had no problems even after he kicked the Zoloft up to 100 mgs.  Maybe I was just lucky but I think the Xanax helped a bunch.  IMHO. Ambulance Boy I’m not an ambulance chaser.  I’m usually there before the ambulance.

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I hope that I can help.  I found that once most of the major side effects were going I was stuck with a headache for 6 days running.  Not an overly bad one but more of an annoying one.  I took tylenol for it and it helped. It stopped about two days ago.  Now I am finding that my sleeping habits are changing.  Before I could barely keep my eyes open after 9pm but last night I wasn’t even very tired at midnight so I took a half an ativan and still laid there till 2:30 in the morning.  I actually came down and took another half otherwise I might not have slept all night. I take the Zoloft in the morning.  How about you?  Also I hear lots of people talking about weight gain.  The doctor told me that I would probably loose weight on Zoloft so for me it was a big Yippee!  As I am very overweight.  I lost 5 pounds the first week. But my appetite is returning. But I think that now I am feeling a bit better I am cooking nicer meals for my family as the poor souls were eating way to much take out as I wasn’t up to cooking before. But watch out for the headache and remember that is just another symptom of the Zoloft. Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Nancy, Thanks for your reassuring words. The side effects are terrible but I’ll keep fighting on. Glad to hear that you are feeling better. Let’s keep in touch Cheers, P I have been on Zoloft for three weeks.  Don’t worry the side effects do ease off.  I started it around 5 weeks ago and went off it because I felt way worse.  I ended up back at the doctors and he told me to get back on it and to stay on it.  I’m glad I did.  Because after the second week I started feeling better.  The side effects eased off. So hang in there and give it at least 6 weeks.  I’ll keep you posted of my progress as I am just a couple of weeks ahead of you. Nancy Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last. Thanks for your support.

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Hi All, Thanks for your replies. It so reassuring to know that there are people out there who will take the time to reply to absolute strangers – it kinda restores my faith in humanity. The side effects are lessening and I’m functioning at about 50%. Thanks to your advice I’ll hang in. Bless you all, P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last. Thanks for your support.

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I started at 25 mg and worked up to 50 mg.  If I had it to do again, I would have started at 12.5 mg, and worked up from that.  It makes the side effects much easier to bear. Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last. Thanks for your support.

– Problems are only opportunities in work clothes.                            –Henry Kaiser

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Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety.

I started at 50mg as well, had awful symptoms and had to have 3 days off work, include the weekend five. Its been 6 weeks now. I stuck with it and felt the effects lessen significantly after the first 8-10. Was back to my normal level of anxiety after maybe two weeks and felt an improvment since. I would suggest if you can handle the side effects do so knowing that it will be worth it most likely. If its to uncomfortable go back the docs Steve

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Hi Nancy, Thanks for your reassuring words. The side effects are terrible but I’ll keep fighting on. Glad to hear that you are feeling better. Let’s keep in touch Cheers, P

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on Zoloft for three weeks.  Don’t worry the side effects do ease off.  I started it around 5 weeks ago and went off it because I felt way worse.  I ended up back at the doctors and he told me to get back on it and to stay on it.  I’m glad I did.  Because after the second week I started feeling better.  The side effects eased off. So hang in there and give it at least 6 weeks.  I’ll keep you posted of my progress as I am just a couple of weeks ahead of you. Nancy Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last. Thanks for your support.

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I stopped taking Zoloft on Tuesday- I could not handle it. I had horrible electrical flashes and sweating and my mouth was numb.I went to the hospital for the side effects. Try something else

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I have been on Zoloft for three weeks.  Don’t worry the side effects do ease off.  I started it around 5 weeks ago and went off it because I felt way worse.  I ended up back at the doctors and he told me to get back on it and to stay on it.  I’m glad I did.  Because after the second week I started feeling better.  The side effects eased off. So hang in there and give it at least 6 weeks.  I’ll keep you posted of my progress as I am just a couple of weeks ahead of you. Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last. Thanks for your support.

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When I went back the second time he gave me ativan 1 mg.  I started to take that and it has helped me to deal with the side effects of the Zoloft.  You may want to talk to your doctor about it.  It really does help. Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last. Thanks for your support.

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Hi all, My doctor prescribed my Zoloft for anxiety and I’ve been taking 50mg for two days now. I’m finding the immediate side effects worse than the original anxiety. The side effects include, tremor, sweating, upset stomach/nausea, loss of appetite, hyper-sensitivety (esp. in my feet). I’m OK with "no pain no gain" – the immediate side effects are a necessary evil – as long as they are temporary. Has anyone else had the same reaction to Zoloft or other SSRI (i.e. prozac)? How long do these symptoms last.

Sigh….another great doctor…. You were started on (much) too high a dose of Zoloft. While this is not dangerous at all it makes for a lot of terrible side effects and a worsening of symptoms. All antidepressants will do that to you in the beginning which is why we anxiety sufferers should start at a low dose (in the case of Zoloft: 12.5 mg) and raise that slowly (in weekly increments of 12.5 mg for instance) until therapeutic dosage is reached. It wouldn

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i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

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I was on Effexor for about five weeks.  The Effexor really did not do anything for me.  I felt anxious all the time.  I finally went to the doctor and demanded that he change my prescription.  I am on Prozac 20mg/day plus Ativan 2mg at night. JP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim I beg to differ. TCA’s as a rule do increase symptoms in the first weeks as well. With most SRI’s it’s the same and in both cases this is of a passing nature. I don’t really know about MAOI’s. Philip

When I first went on a TCA I could hardly do anything for about 4 days except fall asleep. I was trying to get my act together to complain to the Doctor about this, when it suddenly cleared up. YYMV of course. — Jon Guite When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return address

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In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim

I beg to differ. TCA’s as a rule do increase symptoms in the first weeks as well. With most SRI’s it’s the same and in both cases this is of a passing nature. I don’t really know about MAOI’s. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks — Friends, don’t let friends eat haggis.

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Hi.  I was on Klonopin and Effexor at once before.  I was also on two other crappy meds, so It is hard to judge.  Effexor did a lot for my depression at first, but after about 3 months, it really didn’t have any effect.  I was on 175mg, about go on 300 when I switched to Parnate-an MAO.  It has *Really* helped my depression a lot.  It has also improved my anxiety.  Klonopin also improved my anxiety, but I was a zombie and had a hard time getting up and functioning.  Good luck. i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

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According to the literature I got w/my prescrip of effexor ANXIETY is one of the possible side-effects of effexor. Other possible side-effects include: dizziness, nausea, dry mouth and rapid heartbeat. I’ve experiences all of the side effects except dizziness. I cut my effexor tablets in half now and the more severe side-effects have vanished. Doug

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In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

– Friends, don’t let friends eat haggis.

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i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

Why did you go off Paxil? Which AD’s did you try? I wouldn’t take Klonopin if I were you as this is contra-indicated for people suffering from depression. Xanax, however, has a slight antidepressant component of its own. Have you tried a TCA? Trazodone is not a good anti-anxiety med. I always thought Serzone wasn’t either, unless combined with Xanax, but lately quite some people here have reported good results. If you tried the other options this might be a med for you to try now. It enhances the effect of Xanax which means that you can take less Xanax than you weuld normally do and maybe you can have longer breaks in between doses. Let no-one tell you that Serzone/Xanax is a bad combo because it isn’t if prescribed and used in the right way. Of course there are still the MAOI’s to consider which seem the most effective meds but have other disadvantages. Please let us know how you carry on! Philip

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been plagued by this question ever since the Glen and Greg fiasco. If I say something that upsets or offends someone… am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and flammed and ostricized for my posts? I am *not* being sarcastic.  I am very serious, and scared.  This is really concerning me… and I hesitate to post anything ‘political’ now… for fear it might happen.  I hate walking on eggshells… it makes me feel even more fake. The last thing I need right now is to lose my ‘membership’ to this group.  You are all I have right now. Love, Keats xoxox who is sad, confused and scared of being abandoned.

Hi Keats,     Nobody can lose their "membership" unless they are outright abusive or violate one of the other newsgroup rules – which, although I haven’t read the FAQ lately, I assume to be along the lines of no harrassment and no commercial postings.     It’s always possible that one person or another will not like what you have to say.  It’s also possible that in their attempt to express their feelings, someone will make you feel unwanted.     The best thing to do is stay true to yourself, and at the same time stay open to learning from others, even if you disagree (or are disagreed with).     We are imperfect people and this is an imperfect medium of communication.  But there is just so much opportunity to learn and to grow, it would be a shame to let your fear talk you out of continuing to take risks.     Post on! Love, Betsy

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I have been plagued by this question ever since the Glen and Greg fiasco. If I say something that upsets or offends someone… am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and flammed and ostricized for my posts? I am *not* being sarcastic.  I am very serious, and scared.  This is really concerning me… and I hesitate to post anything ‘political’ now… for fear it might happen.  I hate walking on eggshells… it makes me feel even more fake. The last thing I need right now is to lose my ‘membership’ to this group.  You are all I have right now. Love, Keats xoxox who is sad, confused and scared of being abandoned.

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Keats writes: If I say something that upsets or offends someone… am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and flammed and ostricized for my posts? I am *not* being sarcastic.  I am very serious, and scared.

Dearest Keats, In response to your concern (which I *totally* understand) that with all the flaming of Glen & Greg that you could be next if someone objected to you…..  I just don’t see it happening.  I usually obsess over stuff like that, and I’m usually very afraid that I will be the next bashing victim of anger that may not eve be there.  But in this case, I don’t think this is likely. I’ve stayed out of this debate, but I think that both Dr.’s G. tended to word their messages (which were often, in my opinion, rather long and preachy) in ways that seemed very condescending.  I believe that they both mean very well and are genuinely concerned about us and the issue of e.d.s.  And I do think they had some good points to make, but there was a lot of (what I considered) superfluous and (imo) preachy stuff that you had to wade through in order to get to the good points.  I think, though, that their main mistakes (not, in my perception, *deliberate* offenses by any stretch of *my* imagination) were in not reading the group long enough before posting, and not thinking about their words before hitting send.  I think the majority is simply errors caused by not learning the ropes here, not figuring out what is said and not said, what the group is capable and not capable of, etc.  And I do believe that there was a bit too much (by *everyone* involved) taking criticisms and anger too personally.  Bottom line, for me:  too many people got hurt.  Hardest part to understand/deal with (imo):  no one *meant* to give offense.  Cause thought, yes.  Hurt others, no. These are the points where I believe a certain level of prejudice entered (from my p.o.v. as well).  1. They’re not coming from strong positions of authority.   2.  They’re men.  Keats, love, you are not handicapped in anyone’s perceptions by either of these two issues. The cause of #1 is a lack of direct experience–not necessarily a lack of concern or desire to learn.  On this group, those of us who are facing/have faced e.d.’s are coming from a position of authority; we know whereof we speak…intimately.  And even though we experiences the e.d.’s and develop the e.d.’s in different ways and for different reasons, we all accept that, at least for each person, those experiences are valid.  These two gentlemen don’t have the validation of *having* the experience, for which, for their sakes, I am grateful.  I believe they *can* have valid points to make on the issue regardless, and there are certainly individuals here who *do* make good points although they’ve not personally experienced an e.d.  I think that their sudden appearance and enthusiastic, frequent postings startled some people and left a bad taste in certain people’s mouths, which I understand, but which I don’t think necessarily invalidates their comments or presence. In terms of point #2, there is a level at which I know some of us (myself very much included) tend to listen less to what men have to say about this issue, especially when they are not directly facing the e.d. themselves. I know that I have serious doubts (this is my own prejudice, for which I apologize if it hurts any feelings; I don’t believe it’s *right*, I just know it’s how I instinctively think and react) about *any* man’s ability to understand how I feel, about *any* man’s ability to understand women’s issues.  This doesn’t mean that I don’t try to explain, or that I never believe they *have* understood, but I often think it’s just too much trouble to explain because I’m so afraid that they won’t understand. I’m sorry for the length and any apparent self-righteousness or offensiveness of this post; I’ve been meaning to say something and never found the time or words or courage. I guess all this boils down to that I have no real problem with Dr.s G remaining, but I hope they will each (as I suspect they have been doing) read a bit more and get more of a feel for what the system is here.  I hope we can all take things less personally, and believe me, I *know* that’s hard.  I take it personally if the *littlest* things happen.  :-) I hope I haven’t said anything too offensive or bad; I just wanted to share what my perception of this whole affair has been. Love, Amilyn

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Dear Keats, PLEASE keep posting.  I love reading what you have to say.  No, not everyone is always going to agree with you, but that’s part of life.  And, I, for one, would not get rid of that part of life for anything.  It is what makes it possible for us all to really connect when we do!  You are an incredibly valuable member of ased (as is everyone else).  Don’t let these fears take you away.  PLEASE. KT — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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: If I say something that upsets or offends someone… : am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and : flammed and ostricized for my posts? : The last thing I need right now is to lose my ‘membership’ to this : group.  You are all I have right now. : who is sad, confused and scared of being abandoned. Keats…         To be completely practical, I see it this way: we know you.  I don’t see us kicking you out for something you say (not that this is like irc where any of us have the *power* to do so).         On a still somewhat practical note:  I dunno who Glen is.  Greg, as far as I remember, posted something about dieting or pills or something totally off base here.  It’s like a satanist posting to alt.christnet or something – you *have* to expect to get flamed doing something like that.  I don’t forsee you posting "New!! Exciting new diet pill on the horizon!! Just 19.95!"         On a not so practical note:  if anyone tries to ban you from here, I’ll have to kick some ***           I will NOT abandon you. *hug* Charlene — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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Heya Keats : If I say something that upsets or offends someone… : am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and : flammed and ostricized for my posts? The honest answer is "It depends on how and what you write". As an extension to that, I don’t believe for one second that _anyone_ could possibly react negatively to anything which _you_ could write, Keats. As Amilyn pointed out in her post, you have an intimate understanding of EDs – of the issues which need to be skated around delicately, and of instances where tip-toeing is the best policy. Even if you were to say something which caused a negative reaction, I don’t think rejection or ostracizion (sp?!) would result. Much of the problem, I feel, with the Dr.s is that people possibly feel they’re, ummm, "outsiders?". Do you see what I mean? To some, maybe they haven’t yet proven themselves; by which I mean their empathy or ability to express their concerns in ways which _don’t_ cause negative reactions. (Greg: I *will* respond to your e-mail, btw, just as soon as I get the time. Bear with me. You, Keats, do have this empathy and the ability to express yourself delicately, clearly, and in cases where clarification _is_ needed, I think you’ve been quite responsive. Speaking from a purely personal point of view, I *hope* I’ve demonstrated some of this ability and empathy myself, as I don’t have an ED. If I haven’t, I wish someone would _please_ tell me..? The last thing anyone wants is to cause others upset. And in as much as that is true, none of us want to be rejected either. : Love, : Keats : xoxox : who is sad, confused and scared of being abandoned. Not a chance, sweetie. Not a _chance_. *HUG* Lots of love, Dave —  ! NOTE: THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS INVALID FROM 15 JUNE 1996 UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE !  ! It’s so easy to become unhappy. It’s harder to work on happiness, because!  ! to be unhappy you’ve just got to sit and wait for it. For happiness, you !  !   need to get up, get out, and grab it. (Message to S.S., 26 June 1995)  !

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been plagued by this question ever since the Glen and Greg fiasco. If I say something that upsets or offends someone… am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and flammed and ostricized for my posts? I am *not* being sarcastic.  I am very serious, and scared.  This is really concerning me… and I hesitate to post anything ‘political’ now… for fear it might happen.  I hate walking on eggshells… it makes me feel even more fake. The last thing I need right now is to lose my ‘membership’ to this group.  You are all I have right now. Love, Keats xoxox who is sad, confused and scared of being abandoned.

Keats,  I know you are being *very* serious, because i worry about the self-same question all the time. I guess that as long as we don’t say anything really hurtful… then we will be okay… now posts are open to a lot of misinterpretation..the very nature of e-d’s make us more vvulnerable and someone. feeling very fragile may be hurt by something  any of us write… but if someone is offended/hurt  by anything YOU say… then i will be very, very surprised Keats… Keats,  you have so much compassion and understanding…i have severe doubts of you ever saying anything to hurt anyone else.. whether it is by accident or by design… please keep posting… i think the majority, if not all of us will fear at least once that something we write will hurt someone.. however unintentionally… and Keats,  no, we would NEVER abandon you  {{{{{ HUGS }}}}}} take good care of yourself.. don’t be afraid to post what is in your heart.. for your heart is full of kindness and love… love and extra special hugs because i think  you deserve them Susan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been plagued by this question ever since the Glen and Greg fiasco. If I say something that upsets or offends someone… am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and flammed and ostricized for my posts? I am *not* being sarcastic.  I am very serious, and scared.  This is really concerning me… and I hesitate to post anything ‘political’ now… for fear it might happen.  I hate walking on eggshells… it makes me feel even more fake. The last thing I need right now is to lose my ‘membership’ to this group.  You are all I have right now. Love, Keats xoxox who is sad, confused and scared of being abandoned.

        We all have these feelings of insecurity sometimes, I think.  In this case it’s clearly irrational.  You’re one of us, one of the people this group exists for, not some outsider trying to use us to feed your bank book or your ego.  We all know and love you and we would never ostracise you — even if you suddenly start posting pyramid scams and ads for diet pills and asking for our credit card numbers we wouldn’t ostracise you; we’d ask what was going on and if somebody had hacked into your account.  <HUG -Cougar Allen :{) The Moving Finger writes; and having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

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writes: If I say something that upsets or offends someone… : am I to suffer the same fate as Glen and Greg?  Will I be rejected and : flammed and ostricized for my posts? : The last thing I need right now is to lose my ‘membership’ to this : group.  You are all I have right now. : who is sad, confused and scared of being abandoned.

Keats, No one can kick you out.  As long as you can turn on your machine, you can and have the right to read and write here.  As for me, I will never abandon you; I’ve been there too many times.  Also, the way I look at it, everyone has the right to their own opinons, that’s what makes them unique.  Some, I don’t look forward to reading, some I do. Now, woman, if you stop writing, I’ll be upset.  You’re a neat person with more insight than you give yourself credit for.  Okay. Hope you’ve got some sunshine up your way, Pj

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