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Well here I am again, stormy weather, thunder storms, tornados, high humidity.  Home again home again jiggity jig.  I feel as though I have an ace bandage wrapped around my lungs, if only I could loosen those thingies, I could take a whole breath.  Theo-dur, zyrtec, flovent 220, combivent, asthmacort in the nose, eye drops, air conditioning, air filters, whats left?  A bubble?  I am so tired all of the time,  I’m tired of being tired. Sorry!  JUST VENTING!!  My head hurts, my throat hurts, my ears hurt, my lungs hurt, I look like that kids Mom on the smoking commercial.  I NEVER SMOKED !  NOT FAIR!!  oh well……

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Sonara, I really think breathing to moisten the deeper airways would help. I have a similar problem with rain even in warm weather.  Nose breathing helps remove particulates and I inspire smartly before slowly expiring (not through pursed lips but) as you are able (given your state of distress etc.) The moist air from the air sacs seems to sooth and remoisten these dry airways on the way out.  If this is the problem it will get easier to do even slower after a few minutes and with practice. Its ironic but high humidity does seem to interfere with the moistening of the deeper airways inducing bronchospasm. Reports that this technique can increase O2 saturation in some individuals is also encouraging. Bill not a doctor.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well here I am again, stormy weather, thunder storms, tornados, high humidity.  Home again home again jiggity jig.  I feel as though I have an ace bandage wrapped around my lungs, if only I could loosen those thingies, I could take a whole breath.  Theo-dur, zyrtec, flovent 220, combivent, asthmacort in the nose, eye drops, air conditioning, air filters, whats left?  A bubble?  I am so tired all of the time,  I’m tired of being tired. Sorry!  JUST VENTING!!  My head hurts, my throat hurts, my ears hurt, my lungs hurt, I look like that kids Mom on the smoking commercial.  I NEVER SMOKED !  NOT FAIR!!  oh well……

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I also brush my teeth after taking my flovent – I have yet to get Thrush Tim Washington State

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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Because it’s on the insurance company’s list and Flovent isn’t?  More trouble to get you authorized for Flovent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I f Flovent works better, then why would my doctor want me to switch to Pulmicort? : Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky : : -J : : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." :    General Colin Powell : :

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Because it’s on the insurance company’s list and Flovent isn’t?  More trouble to get you authorized for Flovent.

It is debatable which is better. Pulmicort has less systemic exposure due to rapid metabolism in the liver. Also the delivery device eliminates the need for a spacer. Personally, I use Flovent more because I think my patients are more used to the MDI and I try to get them to use the spacer for the other MDI’s as well. There doesn’t have to be an insidious reason for the recommendation to switch. If it is due to formulary reasons I think the doctor should be excused for not fighting a switch to a drug that is as good, if not better. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

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yes, that works, but does it work with Pulmicort?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use?

Typically, no.  However if your asthma changes then they may no longer be adequate. Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good?

I stopped using Azmacort a long time ago.  I have been on Pulmicort for about a year now and have had great success. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use? Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good? -Daniel Before you buy.

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Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med?

By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. -J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. When I was on Pulmicort I knew that I was receiving med. because I had

thrush. think about it.  Pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. When I was on Pulmicort I knew that I was receiving med. because I had thrush. think about it.  Pam "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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: yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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: Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky : : -J

: : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." :    General Colin Powell : :

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I f Flovent works better, then why would my doctor want me to switch to Pulmicort?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky : : -J : : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." :    General Colin Powell : :

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Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use? Typically, no.  However if your asthma changes then they may no longer be adequate. Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good? I stopped using Azmacort a long time ago.  I have been on Pulmicort for about a year now and have had great success. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, After taking Adderall XR 20mg for over six months with no side effects (other than some weight loss), I’ve developed shaking hands over the last month.  I was thinking maybe I got a bad batch of Adderall from the pharmacist last time, but this new batch is having the same effect. My doctor has no explanation.  The only change is I’ve started taking Prozac each day, but my doc says this should have no impact on my symptoms. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated! -N2 Strange… And it isn’t parkinsons? What does your doctor tells you??? no explenation? Hmmmm…my essential tremor is reduced when I am taking methylphenidate (concerta, ritalin)…I wonder if there is a connection? It’s the strangest thing I ever heard. Because methylphenidate isn’t the same as L-dopa and it isn’t effective against tremors from parkinsons. So it’s strange…

<G I do not care if it is "coincidental"….or even placebo….as long as it works <g  But, from what I understand, doesn’t methylphenidate work on the dopamine levels in the patient? Besides, parkinsons is not the same thing as essential tremor…though it does appear that having ET might increase the chances of getting parkinson’s… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_tremor Mine currently is only in my hands (as is my mother’s)…my grandfather’s was in in hands, his arms, and showed up in his gait as well…the weird thing is, it shows up when I am "at rest," but when I do something with my hands (such as play guitar), I do not tremble as much (i.e,. when my hands are resting against the guitar, they might tremble a bit, but when then are pressed down to hold a chord, the whole guitar is not shaking, and the hand stops shaking). — Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus

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Hello all, After taking Adderall XR 20mg for over six months with no side effects (other than some weight loss), I’ve developed shaking hands over the last month.  I was thinking maybe I got a bad batch of Adderall from the pharmacist last time, but this new batch is having the same effect.  My doctor has no explanation.  The only change is I’ve started taking Prozac each day, but my doc says this should have no impact on my symptoms. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated! -N2

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Hello all, After taking Adderall XR 20mg for over six months with no side effects (other than some weight loss), I’ve developed shaking hands over the last month.  I was thinking maybe I got a bad batch of Adderall from the pharmacist last time, but this new batch is having the same effect.  My doctor has no explanation.  The only change is I’ve started taking Prozac each day, but my doc says this should have no impact on my symptoms. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated!

Does the shaking go away when you stop taking the Adderall? Priscilla

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Hello all, After taking Adderall XR 20mg for over six months with no side effects (other than some weight loss), I’ve developed shaking hands over the last month.  I was thinking maybe I got a bad batch of Adderall from the pharmacist last time, but this new batch is having the same effect.  My doctor has no explanation.  The only change is I’ve started taking Prozac each day, but my doc says this should have no impact on my symptoms. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated!

It sounds like the Prozac to me – that’s what has changed.

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Hello all, After taking Adderall XR 20mg for over six months with no side effects (other than some weight loss), I’ve developed shaking hands over the last month.  I was thinking maybe I got a bad batch of Adderall from the pharmacist last time, but this new batch is having the same effect.  My doctor has no explanation.  The only change is I’ve started taking Prozac each day, but my doc says this should have no impact on my symptoms. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated! -N2

Strange… And it isn’t parkinsons? What does your doctor tells you??? no explenation?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, After taking Adderall XR 20mg for over six months with no side effects (other than some weight loss), I’ve developed shaking hands over the last month.  I was thinking maybe I got a bad batch of Adderall from the pharmacist last time, but this new batch is having the same effect.  My doctor has no explanation.  The only change is I’ve started taking Prozac each day, but my doc says this should have no impact on my symptoms. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated! -N2 Strange… And it isn’t parkinsons? What does your doctor tells you??? no explenation?

Hmmmm…my essential tremor is reduced when I am taking methylphenidate (concerta, ritalin)…I wonder if there is a connection? — Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, After taking Adderall XR 20mg for over six months with no side effects (other than some weight loss), I’ve developed shaking hands over the last month.  I was thinking maybe I got a bad batch of Adderall from the pharmacist last time, but this new batch is having the same effect.  My doctor has no explanation.  The only change is I’ve started taking Prozac each day, but my doc says this should have no impact on my symptoms. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated! -N2 Strange… And it isn’t parkinsons? What does your doctor tells you??? no explenation? Hmmmm…my essential tremor is reduced when I am taking methylphenidate (concerta, ritalin)…I wonder if there is a connection?

It’s the strangest thing I ever heard. Because methylphenidate isn’t the same as L-dopa and it isn’t effective against tremors from parkinsons. So it’s strange… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus

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I remember day 5 thru 10 to be the worst. day 15 (sweating profusely, brain shocks,couldn’t eat, or drink coffee, drank huge amounts of water) , it was had  already tapered down. Day 30 I had brain shocks maybe once every 2-3 days, but other than that I was pretty normal Week 8 I was completely back to normal. BTW, if you sample a fair amount of posts, you’ll find that they are all in their first 2 weeks of withdrawal. After that not many people post anymore. That is an encouraging sign.

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Uther, I hate to be harsh, but ultimately, it just doesn’t matter.

amen.  sux, tha truth. Take your new medicine and continue the taper.  It will end when it ends.  Sorry, but that’s it.

i hate bottom lines !  and unfortunately , Gary’s right.. you can’t rush a detox from that crap.

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I’ll keep telling my brain shocks they don’t matter and maybe they’ll get bored and go bother someone else

thanks a HEAP !  i gottem now.. oh holy.. i just read the rest of yer post, Uther.. i don’t think there’s any addictive pharmacological properties in Effexor, unless it’s that red dye. probly more mental. want some REAL withdrawals?  eat xanax for a few and cold turkey THAT… you will commune with your life, as flashed before your eyes…. 24/7, i promise you.   ~tanya

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll keep telling my brain shocks they don’t matter and maybe they’ll get bored and go bother someone else thanks a HEAP !  i gottem now.. oh holy.. i just read the rest of yer post, Uther.. i don’t think there’s any addictive pharmacological properties in Effexor, unless it’s that red dye. probly more mental. want some REAL withdrawals?  eat xanax for a few and cold turkey THAT… you will commune with your life, as flashed before your eyes…. 24/7, i promise you.   ~tanya

Unfortunately Effexor is associated with withdrawal problems that can be just as bad as Xanax withdrawal. A way to get around it is switch to Prozac and then taper off of Prozac which is much easier to stop. Philip

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The worst withdrawal I ever had was from quitting good old fashioned coffee cold turkey. I was in my 20’s and lived in a very rural area, was doing a pot of coffee a day. Big snowstorm showed up, out of coffee, no way to get to town to get my fix. Horrible headaches for 3 days, stomach cramps etc. I gave up coffee for awhile after that, went back to it, later decided to cut down, tapered slowly, no withdrawal. Now I do 1 mug of black coffee each morning, forgot it one morning and didn’t notice. I tapered xanax last summer, cut down by .25 mg every 3 days, no withdrawal, stopped it for nearly a month, then some serious shit happened in my life, a family member phoned screaming at me at 2 am  and I ran for the xanax bottle. Xanax not only keeps me sane, it keeps some people who have to be around me sane too. I don’t recommend quitting cold turkey for any substance. Withdrawals are hell. —-’Course – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – want some REAL withdrawals? eat xanax for a few and cold turkey THAT… you will commune with your life, as flashed before your eyes…. 24/7, i promise you. ~tanya —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll keep telling my brain shocks they don’t matter and maybe they’ll get bored and go bother someone else thanks a HEAP !  i gottem now.. oh holy.. i just read the rest of yer post, Uther.. i don’t think there’s any addictive pharmacological properties in Effexor, unless it’s that red dye. probly more mental. want some REAL withdrawals?  eat xanax for a few and cold turkey THAT… you will commune with your life, as flashed before your eyes…. 24/7, i promise you.   ~tanya Unfortunately Effexor is associated with withdrawal problems that can be just as bad as Xanax withdrawal. A way to get around it is switch to Prozac and then taper off of Prozac which is much easier to stop. Philip

I found withdrawing from Effexor extraordinarily difficult but necessary. Fortunately I had Xanax to help and the knowledge that I was starting a new AD. Despite the problems withdrawing, Effexor worked well for me for 5 years. Meryl

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I found withdrawing from Effexor extraordinarily difficult but necessary. Fortunately I had Xanax to help and the knowledge that I was starting a new AD. Despite the problems withdrawing, Effexor worked well for me for 5 years. Meryl

Hi Meryl, how come you had to quit after 5 years?  I found it tough enough after 4 weeks Uthur

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found withdrawing from Effexor extraordinarily difficult but necessary. Fortunately I had Xanax to help and the knowledge that I was starting a new AD. Despite the problems withdrawing, Effexor worked well for me for 5 years. Meryl Hi Meryl, how come you had to quit after 5 years?  I found it tough enough after 4 weeks Uthur

I developed adverse side effects. The worrying one was high blood pressure so I had to switch ADs. It was also pooping out as an antidepressant. I had climbed to 300 mg over the years but my depression was not controlled by the end. Meryl

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Uther, I hate to be harsh, but ultimately, it just doesn’t matter.  Take your new medicine and continue the taper.  It will end when it ends.  Sorry, but that’s it. Gary

Thanks Gary, your philosophical approach is refreshing.  I’ll keep telling my brain shocks they don’t matter and maybe they’ll get bored and go bother someone else Uthur – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy friends, I’m currently going through the less than enjoyable process of coming off this strange old drug.  Here’s my situation: I was on 75mg Effexor XL a day for 4 weeks in total. I went from that to 37.5mg for 14 days. Then I went to 37.5mg every second day for about 10 days. 3 days ago I took my last dose. I felt pretty bad last night and again today.  My questions are these – when do you think the withdrawal will peak, and how long before it is completely gone?  I came off Celexa a year ago a bit too abruptly and had withdrawal for 10 weeks – I hope I won’t go through that again! All opinions are welcome.  Thanks. Uthur

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Uther, I hate to be harsh, but ultimately, it just doesn’t matter.  Take your new medicine and continue the taper.  It will end when it ends.  Sorry, but that’s it. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy friends, I’m currently going through the less than enjoyable process of coming off this strange old drug.  Here’s my situation: I was on 75mg Effexor XL a day for 4 weeks in total. I went from that to 37.5mg for 14 days. Then I went to 37.5mg every second day for about 10 days. 3 days ago I took my last dose. I felt pretty bad last night and again today.  My questions are these – when do you think the withdrawal will peak, and how long before it is completely gone?  I came off Celexa a year ago a bit too abruptly and had withdrawal for 10 weeks – I hope I won’t go through that again! All opinions are welcome.  Thanks. Uthur

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Howdy friends, I’m currently going through the less than enjoyable process of coming off this strange old drug.  Here’s my situation: I was on 75mg Effexor XL a day for 4 weeks in total. I went from that to 37.5mg for 14 days. Then I went to 37.5mg every second day for about 10 days. 3 days ago I took my last dose. I felt pretty bad last night and again today.  My questions are these – when do you think the withdrawal will peak, and how long before it is completely gone?  I came off Celexa a year ago a bit too abruptly and had withdrawal for 10 weeks – I hope I won’t go through that again! All opinions are welcome.  Thanks. Uthur

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Allen, I’ve never heard of Cymbalta, what’s its closest relative ? Sounds like you’ve tried them all. Good luck my friend. LJ

It’s a new SNRI cooked up recently by those lovely folks at Eli-Lilly that also gave us Prozac. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been prescribed Cymbalta by my MD yesterday. 30mg pills and I am told to increase to 60mg when I feel ready and if I am not feeling any side effects. Yesterday was the first day I was on it and I didn’t have any side effects except for fatique. The Fatique seems less today. Do people think this may possible be a good drug for panic disorder, depression and dysthymia? I’ve been off medication for almost a year, so now I’m on klonopin 1mg 2x a day, along with Restoril 15mg-30mg at night as needed and the Cymbalta of course. Drugs prior to this always seem to work for a few short weeks, but they always poop out. I’ve been on Lexapro, Celexa, Zoloft, Paxil, Effexor XR, Imipramine, Desipramine, and Amitryptiline, Xanax, Valium, Ativan and Provigil for depression and anxiety. I’m just looking for any words of help and information. I hope this drug works out for me as I don’t know what else there is for me to try. I see a psychiatrist sometime this week if she can get me in and I’ll see what she says about the current regimine I am on. Thanks for any ideas and help. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi… My doctor just increased me from 100mg Zoloft a day to 200mg, and I was just wondering how long it would take to feel a difference, if at all.  I’ve been on Zoloft for six weeks and I’ve just gotten worse.  I’m getting pretty desperate and irrational, so I wish things would get sorted out… -Alex

For me it took several weeks for each dose change to take effect. Be sure to talk to your doctor immediately if you start to feel any serious side effects of Zoloft! My body cannot tolerate more than 50 mg/day.

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Hi… My doctor just increased me from 100mg Zoloft a day to 200mg, and I was just wondering how long it would take to feel a difference, if at all.  I’ve been on Zoloft for six weeks and I’ve just gotten worse.  I’m getting pretty desperate and irrational, so I wish things would get sorted out… -Alex  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Can someone with some pharmacology expertise please explain the difference between Effexor and Meridia. My understanding is that both are SSRI/NRIs. Shouldn’t they work the same? Is Meridia used as an antidepressants in other countries? Please feel free to post here or via email.

Well, I don’t have any pharmacology experience, but I did read an article comparing venlafaxine (Effexor) to sibutramine (Meridia). Venlafaxine is more balanced to the serotonin side, and sibutramine is about 50/50. This may be why Meridia works better for weight loss and Effexor better for OCD. Barbara Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS http://www.obesity-news.com

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Can someone with some pharmacology expertise please explain the difference between Effexor and Meridia. My understanding is that both are SSRI/NRIs. Shouldn’t they work the same? Is Meridia used as an antidepressants in other countries? Please feel free to post here or via email.

Meridia was originally studied as an antidepressant by Knoll (BASF), but was never marketed as one.  If my memory serves me, the initial investigational doses used in studies of its antidepressant effects were rather high; on the order of 60mg/day.  Usually, the reasons why a drug might not be developed for the treatment of one indication yet pursued for another aren’t made public, though side effects at a given dose or lack of efficacy are likely candidates.  Ultimately, a drug gets used to treat a condition based solely on the empirical evidence collected in controlled trials, so another reason why Effexor isn’t used to treat obesity may simply reflect the fact that Effexor was placed on an antidepressant "track" early in its development as one of the first SSRI/NERI agents, and its effects on appetite and weight only became appreciated after doctors and patients gained some experience with it, and controlled studies might not have been performed for Effexor in obesity.  (I’m making a general statement here; I don’t have any knowledge of the particulars.) Also, note that drugs in the same class might have subtle (or not so subtle) differences between them.  For example, phentermine and pseudoephedrine are both sympathomimetic drugs and similar in chemical structure and at least some of their pharmacological actions, but pseudoephedrine isn’t very useful as an anorectic/appetite suppressant agent. — Steve Dyer

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Can someone with some pharmacology expertise please explain the difference between Effexor and Meridia. My understanding is that both are SSRI/NRIs. Shouldn’t they work the same? Is Meridia used as an antidepressants in other countries? Please feel free to post here or via email. Thanks in advance! Zila

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Audrey– Ditto— until I cut out the aspartame- and started the vitamins ect– I was the world’s worst…. now– I have about an evening– and then I am pretty equananimous (sp)… no offense taken Richie

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LOL– well I forget that sometimes people don’t know what gender I am….. no offense taken– but with a DD in the boob department- ya bet I am all female— <<g ( I am thrilled to report that they are getting smaller though!!) Knowing what to do for ourselves and doing it are two different things– I am rushing headlong into TOM and noticeing( sp) that my temper is flaring— now where did I put those ruddy supplements…… I get mail that is  "Mr" all the time– infact in the early 70’s I even got a draft notice from uncle sam– my mom called and they decided I didn’t need to take the physical…..lol richie who is fighting TOM  tooth and nail— I want to see that first 50 GONE

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I think I’m going to down a gallon of chamomile tea, just to get rid of the stress of never knowing these days when TOM is going to show up. Hasn’t been around for almost a year, and 2 weeks into lcing, here it is! Anyone got any magic potions for keeping it away? I liked it gone! LOL! (Yeah, I know…the most magic of all potions–getting a little bit older and it’ll stay gone permanently <grin). CAT 248/237/135

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS : worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage : oil– good helpers– : and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you. : Richie no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have no way to understand what we’re talking about here… Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some success with certain supplements… audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke Actually Richie is a girl, and she is also correct about the chamomile tea. Chamomile helps with my cramps and lessens the pain. Also I stay away from caffeine while on TOM because they make my symptoms about 10 times worse…. Tricia "Rae" 158/142/120 There is only one success – to be able to spend your life in your own way.      ~~ Anonymous~~

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Thanks, Tammy, I know all about that, since I’ve been using ibuprofen (specifically Motrin 800 mg.) for over 13 years. I was more concerned with the damage to my kidneys, since it can also cause damage there. By the way, have you read any of the new research that has found ulcers to be caused by bacteria, rather than stress and/or medications, and cured with the use of both acid reducers and antibiotics? This doesn’t really apply to ulcers caused by overuse of NSAIDs, but it was of interest to me, since the last ulcer I had was treated by my doctor with anti-stress meds (over 20 years ago). CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article et, I’ve just about lived on Motrin for over 15 years, and I think as long as you take it with food, it’s not particular about what kind of food. Unless I’m mistaken, you just need something in your stomach when you take it to keep it from boring a hole through your stomach lining, and any kind of food will work, so wouldn’t necessarily have to be bread or milk. Meat should work, too, I’d think. At least it does for me. The father of a friend of my daughter’s just spent 2 days in the hospital and lost four pints of blood (and nearly died) to a bleeding ulcer……the culprit?  Ibuprophin.  He was taking 3 at a time for back pain, often on an empty stomach and sometimes taking aspirin as well.  Just a word of warning to be careful with the long time use or overuse of any NSAIDs. Tammy PP since 7/8/98 212/196/138 (or size 12, whichever comes first)  bf 49.5/49/23% (had to change my stats now that I’ve got my new Tanita Scale I’ll take a double bacon cheeseburger with no bun please.

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LOL! I got one of those, too, richie, from having my h.s. transcript listed under my initials instead of full name (V.J.B., instead of Victoria J.)…but the idiots at the draft board, in their infinite wisdom, made me go all the way to the induction center for the physical!!! Of course, being the only female in the middle of about 70 guys on the bus (and then more than 500 at the center) made for a very interesting day trip up to Amarillo! LOL! CAT

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -LOL– well I forget that sometimes people don’t know what gender I am….. no offense taken– but with a DD in the boob department- ya bet I am all female— <<g ( I am thrilled to report that they are getting smaller though!!) Knowing what to do for ourselves and doing it are two different things– I am rushing headlong into TOM and noticeing( sp) that my temper is flaring— now where did I put those ruddy supplements…… I get mail that is  "Mr" all the time– infact in the early 70’s I even got a draft notice from uncle sam– my mom called and they decided I didn’t need to take the physical…..lol richie who is fighting TOM  tooth and nail— I want to see that first 50 GONE

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Richie – I’m SOOOO sorry!!  Guess you do get that a lot. Just makes me nuts when guys – even well-intentioned ones – try to give me advice on problems like these I’ve been using ibuprofen since before it was available OTC for cramps – still use 600mg  most of the time, too, and that’s not something that feels worse these days… It’s the irritability, mood swings & bloating. I’ve actually added some legal 15-ish g. treats lately because my life is very stressful at the moment and it just helps – maybe I need to time those!  (our house is for sale…dealing with being neat & clean & showable 24×7 is the worst…especially for someone who works 40+ hours a week outside of the house, as well as all that needs doing inside!) Past couple months, after adding some extra carb treats & watching the calendar, I’ve noticed I lose 2-3 lbs. right after my TOM, and then stop losing no matter waht for the 10-14 days preceeding & during.  Soon as it’s done, whoosh, 2 more lbs. down… This time I’ll try some more legal treats and some strong chamomile tea!  Glad I don’t have to live with me audrey 170/143/130?

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Victoria, I’ve just about lived on Motrin for over 15 years, and I think as long as you take it with food, it’s not particular about what kind of food. Unless I’m mistaken, you just need something in your stomach when you take it to keep it from boring a hole through your stomach lining, and any kind of food will work, so wouldn’t necessarily have to be bread or milk. Meat should work, too, I’d think. At least it does for me. CAT 248/237/135

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi there,    When I have my TOM, I have to take motrin to reduce the awful cramps and the Motrin doesn’t work well unless I take it with food.  In the middle of the night I run into problems, because for years I have taken it with milk and bread.  I am at day 60 of Atkins, have lost 20 pounds, and don’t want my weight loss to stall.  I hear about Wasa crackers- are they low in carb? Maybe that would be an idea? Victoria 192-172-150 lc since 7-8-98

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For cramps, however, I would mix 1 tsp chamomile with 1 tsp catnip, let that steep for 10 minutes…and if that doesn’t work, try valerian.

Ack! valerian root smells like perfumed manure! The cats love it, though.  I give them some when they get too rowdy at night. Personally, I’ll stick with ibuprofen for the cramps. I’d need a damned strong herb to put a dent in them. (and in my experience, a name brand like Motrin or Advil dissolves and starts working at least a half hour faster than cheap generic ibuprofen….must be the coatings and fillers) —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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I agree with you, Jamie, although for my arthritis, I’ve even given up on Advil. Now I take 800mg Motrin, and I usually take 3-4 of them at a time.

I’ve had almost no arthritis symptoms since lowcarbing, but I generally went for naproxen when I did, (despite its tendency to bore holes in a stomach less than full). —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Hi there,     When I have my TOM, I have to take motrin to reduce the awful cramps and the Motrin doesn’t work well unless I take it with food.  In the middle of the night I run into problems, because for years I have taken it with milk and bread.  I am at day 60 of Atkins, have lost 20 pounds, and don’t want my weight loss to stall.  I hear about Wasa crackers- are they low in carb? Maybe that would be an idea? Victoria 192-172-150 lc since 7-8-98

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS : worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage : oil– good helpers– : and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you.   : Richie no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have no way to understand what we’re talking about here… Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some success with certain supplements… audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

Actually Richie is a girl, and she is also correct about the chamomile tea. Chamomile helps with my cramps and lessens the pain. Also I stay away from caffeine while on TOM because they make my symptoms about 10 times worse…. Tricia "Rae" 158/142/120 There is only one success – to be able to spend your life in your own way.       ~~ Anonymous~~

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This PMS thing and low-carbing is driving me bananas!  After my induction period and a weight loss of 10 lbs, I regained 1 lb. – even while remaining low-carb and exercising 4x per week. I don’t want to sabatoge this thing, but the carbs are calling and my temper is flaring.  I’ve never had this problem before.  Heck, I used to swear I didn’t suffer from PMS. St. John’s Wort has been mentioned here a few times, but I’ve heard leary reports about it lately.  What else will help? Desperate AJ 250/240/150 (Sunday) 250/241/150 (today )

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Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage oil– good helpers– and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you.   Hope this helps Richie

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writes: Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here!

off this morning!) I just saw something on the news about calcium and PMS.  Heard it late to help me this month, but I’m going to try upping my calcium intake (supplements) for next couple of months and see if that helps.  I don’t really like this stranger living in my brain for over a week! Tammy PP since 7/8/98 212/196/138 (or size 12, whichever comes first)  bf 49.5/49/23% (had to change my stats now that I’ve got my new Tanita Scale I’ll take a double bacon cheeseburger with no bun please.

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: Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS : worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage : oil– good helpers– : and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you.   : Richie no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have no way to understand what we’re talking about here… Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some success with certain supplements… audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro…  (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

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: no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have Er…Richie’s a gal. =) : Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of : symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) I agree, chamomile has never helped me, but I was raised by a mom who believed Medication was the answer to everything and all herbal remedies have failed me. My body’s just too resisitant to the more subtle forms of healing. =) BUT I know lots of other girls for whom it works fine. : anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some : success with certain supplements… Try the extra carbs. I waited until the week _after_ my TOM to start induction just because I suspected this might be a problem. I’m not a fan of taking supplements unless it’s a last resort. Of course, this is probably due to my theory "If you can solve a problem by eating, do so." Lydia 145/137/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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Audrey– A lot of us gals have problems with TOM…(a recent poster called it a visit from Aunt Flo. Loved that!). I’ve been on the pill and regular as clockwork for ten years. This WOE changed all that. Sometimes I’m early, sometimes I’m late. Usually the flow is heavier, whenever it arrives. I do need more carbs the week before (sometimes, but not as often, during). My solution: I allow myself 10-15g extra carbs for just as long as I need them. The trick is being honest with yourself when you need them. And make sure they’re "legal" carbs. I don’t allow myself "bad" carbs at all, even one or two animal crackers. I make sure the carbs are what I’d eat normally, just perhaps in higher quantity. Some other legal extra carb ideas: Wasa crackers with cream cheese and diabetic jam Iced coffee with extra cream and sweetener 1/2 c blueberries with a dash of cream 1/2 c cottage cheese with 1 T diabetic jam SF pudding made with cream and water You get the idea… =) Hope that helps. Lydia 145/137/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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I’ve been on the pill and regular as clockwork for ten years. This WOE changed all that. Sometimes I’m early, sometimes I’m late. Usually the flow is heavier, whenever it arrives.

Copy that.  My first month on Atkins I had my cycle for a month!!!  It’s coming at it’s normal time now, but way heavier then ever before. ~Jo 141/128/115

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I agree with you, Jamie, although for my arthritis, I’ve even given up on Advil. Now I take 800mg Motrin, and I usually take 3-4 of them at a time. CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For cramps, however, I would mix 1 tsp chamomile with 1 tsp catnip, let that steep for 10 minutes…and if that doesn’t work, try valerian. Ack! valerian root smells like perfumed manure! The cats love it, though.  I give them some when they get too rowdy at night. Personally, I’ll stick with ibuprofen for the cramps. I’d need a damned strong herb to put a dent in them. (and in my experience, a name brand like Motrin or Advil dissolves and starts working at least a half hour faster than cheap generic ibuprofen….must be the coatings and fillers) —  "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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: Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of : symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) I agree, chamomile has never helped me, but I was raised by a mom who believed Medication was the answer to everything and all herbal remedies have failed me. My body’s just too resisitant to the more subtle forms of healing. =)

Depends are you brewing it "medicinal" strength?  If not, it won’t work. 2 teaspoons (or 2 teabags) in 8 oz. water…let steep for 10 minutes. That’s medicinal strength herbal tea.  Anything else is just a nice drink. For cramps, however, I would mix 1 tsp chamomile with 1 tsp catnip, let that steep for 10 minutes…and if that doesn’t work, try valerian. Harriet 221/211/160 **Vegetarians eat vegetables….beware humanitarians** Remove ‘carbs’ for email reply

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: no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have Er…Richie’s a gal. =) : Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of : symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) I agree, chamomile has never helped me, but I was raised by a mom who believed Medication was the answer to everything and all herbal remedies have failed me. My body’s just too resisitant to the more subtle forms of healing. =)

Chamomile makes me relax!!!  I USED to have PMS and depression like mad before low-carb.  I was on zoloft for 2 years and since starting this WOL, I stopped zoloft cold turkey and started herbal supplements (primrose oil, etc.).  Now, only 2.5 weeks into low-carb, I feel better than I have in my life.  BTW, melatonin tea is a cozy bedtime treat : Wummin~ 201/196/150 Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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Audrey, I noticed the same thing about PMS now that I’m low carbing – much more intense, and seems to last a bit longer.   I’ve been on St. John’s Wort for months, including pre-low carb, so obviously that isn’t helping with PMS.  I started Evening Primrose Oil and Progest Creme recently, in the hopes that these will help. Barb

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Wummin, my doc tried me on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Effexor and finally Parnate, which is an MAOI and quite dangerous if taken with certain foods and/or other drugs. I finally–like you, against her advice–quit cold turkey and started using St. John’s Wort. That, combined with this WOE, has just about solved my problem with depression, from which I suffered since I was about 13. If I’d know all this then, I might have had a happier time as a teen. Of course, my grandmother is fond of telling me that IF frogs had wings, they wouldn’t hop and bump their tushes on the ground <grin. Live and learn… CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry guys, but you just won’t have on clue on this one! I’ve been doing the LC WOE since early April, and am happy with my progress, energy level, lack of cravings, etc. BUT, I am painfully aware every month that my PMS’y days are much worse than they used to be.  Mood swings, irritability, the whole nine yards. Today while sitting in my kid’s dentist office, I came across two different articles on natural PMS remedies, and both mentioned _increasing_ carb intake.  Hmmm…i thought, makes sense that would be the one thing I’ve noticed, negatively, in the last few months… Other "remedies" mentioned included St. John’s Wort, Evening Primrose Oil, and other stuff that I hadn’t really heard of… Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here! audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke Maybe I’m different, but I used to take zoloft before low-carbing, now I find I do not need it anymore with the new WOL.   Against the better advice of my doctor, I quit taking this med "cold turkey" and added herbals in replacement.   I have had no problems without the meds!  THANK YOU LOW CARB hahaha. I have spoken to a few people and according to them, St. John’s wort, zoloft or any herbal meds  won’t stall your weight loss, but YMMV.  I take evening primrose oil and (maybe) that’s what I think helps me do without the zoloft. If you can’t deal with the PMS symptoms, maybe you should try zoloft or some other form of relief..I understand how it is to deal with it…i did for several years, but since low-carbing, I’ve never felt better in my life…WITHOUT my zoloft. Wummin~ 201/196/150 Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry guys, but you just won’t have on clue on this one! I’ve been doing the LC WOE since early April, and am happy with my progress, energy level, lack of cravings, etc. BUT, I am painfully aware every month that my PMS’y days are much worse than they used to be.  Mood swings, irritability, the whole nine yards. Today while sitting in my kid’s dentist office, I came across two different articles on natural PMS remedies, and both mentioned _increasing_ carb intake.  Hmmm…i thought, makes sense that would be the one thing I’ve noticed, negatively, in the last few months… Other "remedies" mentioned included St. John’s Wort, Evening Primrose Oil, and other stuff that I hadn’t really heard of… Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here! audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

Maybe I’m different, but I used to take zoloft before low-carbing, now I find I do not need it anymore with the new WOL.   Against the better advice of my doctor, I quit taking this med "cold turkey" and added herbals in replacement.   I have had no problems without the meds!  THANK YOU LOW CARB hahaha. I have spoken to a few people and according to them, St. John’s wort, zoloft or any herbal meds  won’t stall your weight loss, but YMMV.  I take evening primrose oil and (maybe) that’s what I think helps me do without the zoloft. If you can’t deal with the PMS symptoms, maybe you should try zoloft or some other form of relief..I understand how it is to deal with it…i did for several years, but since low-carbing, I’ve never felt better in my life…WITHOUT my zoloft. Wummin~ 201/196/150 Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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Sorry guys, but you just won’t have on clue on this one! I’ve been doing the LC WOE since early April, and am happy with my progress, energy level, lack of cravings, etc. BUT, I am painfully aware every month that my PMS’y days are much worse than they used to be.  Mood swings, irritability, the whole nine yards. Today while sitting in my kid’s dentist office, I came across       two different articles on natural PMS remedies, and both mentioned _increasing_ carb intake.  Hmmm…i thought, makes sense that would be the one thing I’ve noticed, negatively, in the last few months… Other "remedies" mentioned included St. John’s Wort, Evening Primrose Oil, and other stuff that I hadn’t really heard of… Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here! audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro…  (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

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I started trying to get pregnant.  This is my first cycle without the Zoloft and I am due for AF any day now and I am soooooooo cranky and most of all sooooooooo sad all the time.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with this?  Today is so bad that I had to take my 2 yr old daughter over to my mom’s house because she doesn’t understand why I cry so much and it makes her so sad to see my crying.  I feel like a total failure because I can’t even take care of the daughter I do have when I am like this.         Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. KD Pearce remove the 4 before replying

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Hi- It sounds as though maybe you are having zoloft withdrawal.  Do you know a lot about this med?  Did your doctor explain to you that zoloft is a strong anti depressant?  Maybe you could benefit by taking something milder.  Good luck to you.

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as soon as I started trying (seriouly) to get pregnant 1.5 years ago my dr. took me off all meds. even the one for pms and it has been a huge ajustment and my poor husband and 4 year old are always the butt end of all my anger and sadness! My only suggestion is to ask your husband to help more. And ask your Re if you can take an over the counter drug for pms. they told me I could , but so far I have’nt. good luckMissy

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?

This all gets so confusing to me as I once was on K alone but can’t say that that caused my depression.  I read alot about this side effect and guess I never paid attention for direct cause and effect. What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)?

I take a low dose of PAxil and now Xanax as well and things don’t really feel that much different to me.  I have my good and bad days.  I have never heard of taking an SRI to counteract a benzo – have heard the reverse tho. I certainly wouldn’t take an SRI for that – as there are many other benzos to choose from without this noted side effect. Gwen

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

I have heard that Klonopin can aggravate depression in a "small" percentage of people.  People have also reported depression, as a side effect to placebo.  Sometimes as much as 3%.  So without knowing the percentages of reported depression with Klonopin vs. placebo, it is almost the same as having no information at all. I was on an SSRI, before ever taking Klonopin.  I noted less depression after taking it, as my depression was situational.  I was depressed because I was having 3-4 full blown panic attacks per day.  When the PA’s stopped, from taking the Klonopin, my mood improved dramatically. — Kiesha Van Dyke To e-mail, remove ** from address.

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I was on an SSRI, before ever taking Klonopin.  I noted less depression after taking it, as my depression was situational.  I was depressed because I was having 3-4 full blown panic attacks per day.  When the PA’s stopped, from taking the Klonopin, my mood improved dramatically. —

I have to agree with you here, Kiesha.  I didn’t go the SSRI first route – but being out of control on the panic was certainly depressing as hell and I truly believe if the docs had increased the benzos as first choice – I wouldn’t be saddled with Paxil now.  I know from my experience that being free of panic makes me jubillant beyond beleif.  I wish more docs tried THAT route first before jumping on the SSRI bandwagon. Gwen

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hi Matt – Well – I think Gorman may be right.  My experience has been that adding an SSRI *has* eliminated the depression I felt when taking Klonopin (4-4.5mg/day) alone. (Added Zoloft).  This is for primary social phobia, secondary mild depression.  I think the Klonopin *may* aggrevate my mild depression some. Zoloft 50mg + K worked well except side effects – VERY tired and sex side effects from Zoloft. Nardil 45mg + K worked well too – less side effects, except add in food restrictions. Luvox + K felt awful. JR

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hi Matt – Well – I think Gorman may be right.  My experience has been that adding an SSRI *has* eliminated the depression I felt when taking Klonopin (4-4.5mg/day) alone. (Added Zoloft).  This is for primary social phobia, secondary mild depression.  I think the Klonopin *may* aggrevate my mild depression some. Zoloft 50mg + K worked well except side effects – VERY tired and sex side effects from Zoloft. Nardil 45mg + K worked well too – less side effects, except add in food restrictions. Luvox + K felt awful. JR   JR

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

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