Thanks for the comments. I really do think I have disagreed with your doc in any substantial way.
No dear, I think you meant to add a "NOT" in there somewhere. Let’s not feed any more arguments, if you know what I mean. ;-) Vicky
I appreciate your reply. I like your replys as they are through and very understandable.
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Sorry, should read thorough
Thanks for the comments. I really do think I have disagreed with your doc in any substantial way. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – without going deeper into this series, again, i respect *cbi* responses, but the bottom line for me in my case is that i am totally sold on my new pulm med dr and he is rated by other physicians in a study of 260,000 peers to be one of the top 100 drs in the usa, and at the top of his profession specialty here in houston, which is a major med center, as i understand it; i have seen probably about 30-40 physicians in this last two years and in my personal opinion, i can place about 3 or 4 drs in the highest regard while so many of the others were not helpful or committed to helping me dx and resolve a number of serious medical issues, one of which has been pulmonary symptoms in variety; in my mind, at this point, i cannot put opposing opinions in the area of my thinking and challenge this dr who i so deeply trust at this time; but, by the sounds of *cbi* and his (her?) diligence and serious, if i were in that city, i would hope to be a patient of *cbi* for my case; perhaps i do not understand how drs would discuss and disagree in some details, a particular case and how he/she would approach it; in the perfect world, i would appreciate having my dr AND someone such as *cbi* as a team in helping me to deal with copd/asthma, and living a more desirable and long and healthy life! thanks. some comments back, no disrespect intended… some snipping allowed… I’m not sure the issue is generic vs. brand. my pulm med dr specifically stated that in his experience, the generic albuterols are not as effective as brand names; is it not appropriate for me to listen to and trust in him? i guess i do not understand one dr here stating disagreements with my dr who is so highly regarded in his field of pulmonary medicine in the usa, and he has seen me and my case personally. I do not necessarily disagree with him. My point is that he did not switch you from the generic to a brand name of the same product in any of the changes he made. In one case he switched form a generic to a combination product (albuterol to Combivent), in another he changed from one branded steroid to another (Azmacort to Flovent), and in the third he introduced a new medication (Singulair). Besides that, why would it be innappropriate for me to disagree with him on this point (generic vs. brand)? I’m not saying I do, but the general relative effectiveness of two products is not patient specific and so would be fair game for me to comment on desite not being familiar with your specific case. You are then free to determine how to weight the competing opinions you recieve. I suspect he thinks there is a component of both asthma and COPD as he would not have used the Singulair if your case was purely COPD (no effect for this). ???? i guess i do not understand these kinds of statements. Singulair, an anti-inflammatory medication used in asthma, is generally not given to people who are thought to have smoking related COPD. Steroids are generally considered a secondary treatment for COPD to be tried and then continued or discarded depending on the results observed in the individual. Atrovent, as stated in my original reply, is usually given to those with smoking related COPD and not asthma (unless severe). All of this leads me to believe that he either is not sure of why you wheeze, and is hedging his bets (probably intending to fine tune things once better control is achieved), or he thinks it is a combination of both asthma and COPD. The tight feeling may be from the increased airways resistance cannot relate to the "tight feeling", my symptoms are mostly sob, heaviness in upper body, suffocating feeling in lungs (feels like no matter how much i breathe, i am not "getting enough" o2); I’m not sure I understand the distinction you are making between "tight feeling" and "heaviness in the upper body" and "suffocating feeling." can you tell me something about your experience and medical background since i am new here and have not heard of you? where are you located? thanks again! I did in the e-mail you sent. Before you buy.
without going deeper into this series, again, i respect *cbi* responses, but the bottom line for me in my case is that i am totally sold on my new pulm med dr and he is rated by other physicians in a study of 260,000 peers to be one of the top 100 drs in the usa, and at the top of his profession specialty here in houston, which is a major med center, as i understand it; i have seen probably about 30-40 physicians in this last two years and in my personal opinion, i can place about 3 or 4 drs in the highest regard while so many of the others were not helpful or committed to helping me dx and resolve a number of serious medical issues, one of which has been pulmonary symptoms in variety; in my mind, at this point, i cannot put opposing opinions in the area of my thinking and challenge this dr who i so deeply trust at this time; but, by the sounds of *cbi* and his (her?) diligence and serious, if i were in that city, i would hope to be a patient of *cbi* for my case; perhaps i do not understand how drs would discuss and disagree in some details, a particular case and how he/she would approach it; in the perfect world, i would appreciate having my dr AND someone such as *cbi* as a team in helping me to deal with copd/asthma, and living a more desirable and long and healthy life! thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – some comments back, no disrespect intended… some snipping allowed… I’m not sure the issue is generic vs. brand. my pulm med dr specifically stated that in his experience, the generic albuterols are not as effective as brand names; is it not appropriate for me to listen to and trust in him? i guess i do not understand one dr here stating disagreements with my dr who is so highly regarded in his field of pulmonary medicine in the usa, and he has seen me and my case personally. I do not necessarily disagree with him. My point is that he did not switch you from the generic to a brand name of the same product in any of the changes he made. In one case he switched form a generic to a combination product (albuterol to Combivent), in another he changed from one branded steroid to another (Azmacort to Flovent), and in the third he introduced a new medication (Singulair). Besides that, why would it be innappropriate for me to disagree with him on this point (generic vs. brand)? I’m not saying I do, but the general relative effectiveness of two products is not patient specific and so would be fair game for me to comment on desite not being familiar with your specific case. You are then free to determine how to weight the competing opinions you recieve. I suspect he thinks there is a component of both asthma and COPD as he would not have used the Singulair if your case was purely COPD (no effect for this). ???? i guess i do not understand these kinds of statements. Singulair, an anti-inflammatory medication used in asthma, is generally not given to people who are thought to have smoking related COPD. Steroids are generally considered a secondary treatment for COPD to be tried and then continued or discarded depending on the results observed in the individual. Atrovent, as stated in my original reply, is usually given to those with smoking related COPD and not asthma (unless severe). All of this leads me to believe that he either is not sure of why you wheeze, and is hedging his bets (probably intending to fine tune things once better control is achieved), or he thinks it is a combination of both asthma and COPD. The tight feeling may be from the increased airways resistance cannot relate to the "tight feeling", my symptoms are mostly sob, heaviness in upper body, suffocating feeling in lungs (feels like no matter how much i breathe, i am not "getting enough" o2); I’m not sure I understand the distinction you are making between "tight feeling" and "heaviness in the upper body" and "suffocating feeling." can you tell me something about your experience and medical background since i am new here and have not heard of you? where are you located? thanks again! I did in the e-mail you sent.
Before you buy.
The O2 sat is an indirect measure of how much O2 is in the blood (pO2). It measure what percentage of hemoglobin O2 binding sites are full (O2 sat). The sites do not fill in a linear manner. The hemoglobin saturation curve is "S-shaped" meaning that it is flat on either end (high or low O2) and steep in the middle.
Here is one for the medical trivia buffs. The Pulse Oxymeter (or Oximeter in some places) is not considered to be accurate below 70%. Why not? — CBI, MD
some comments back, no disrespect intended… some snipping allowed… I’m not sure the issue is generic vs. brand.
my pulm med dr specifically stated that in his experience, the generic albuterols are not as effective as brand names; is it not appropriate for me to listen to and trust in him? i guess i do not understand one dr here stating disagreements with my dr who is so highly regarded in his field of pulmonary medicine in the usa, and he has seen me and my case personally. I suspect he thinks there is a component of both asthma and COPD as he would not have used the Singulair if your case was purely COPD (no effect for this).
???? i guess i do not understand these kinds of statements. The tight feeling may be from the increased airways resistance
cannot relate to the "tight feeling", my symptoms are mostly sob, heaviness in upper body, suffocating feeling in lungs (feels like no matter how much i breathe, i am not "getting enough" o2); When you first start to hyperventilate during an attack do not understand or relate to this either;perhaps i do not understand the symptoms of hyperventilation, or "an attack", i an new to all of this; CBI, MD
can you tell me something about your experience and medical background since i am new here and have not heard of you? where are you located? thanks again! Before you buy.
some comments back, no disrespect intended… some snipping allowed… I’m not sure the issue is generic vs. brand. my pulm med dr specifically stated that in his experience, the generic albuterols are not as effective as brand names; is it not appropriate for me to listen to and trust in him? i guess i do not understand one dr here stating disagreements with my dr who is so highly regarded in his field of pulmonary medicine in the usa, and he has seen me and my case personally.
I do not necessarily disagree with him. My point is that he did not switch you from the generic to a brand name of the same product in any of the changes he made. In one case he switched form a generic to a combination product (albuterol to Combivent), in another he changed from one branded steroid to another (Azmacort to Flovent), and in the third he introduced a new medication (Singulair). Besides that, why would it be innappropriate for me to disagree with him on this point (generic vs. brand)? I’m not saying I do, but the general relative effectiveness of two products is not patient specific and so would be fair game for me to comment on desite not being familiar with your specific case. You are then free to determine how to weight the competing opinions you recieve. I suspect he thinks there is a component of both asthma and COPD as he would not have used the Singulair if your case was purely COPD (no effect for this). ???? i guess i do not understand these kinds of statements.
Singulair, an anti-inflammatory medication used in asthma, is generally not given to people who are thought to have smoking related COPD. Steroids are generally considered a secondary treatment for COPD to be tried and then continued or discarded depending on the results observed in the individual. Atrovent, as stated in my original reply, is usually given to those with smoking related COPD and not asthma (unless severe). All of this leads me to believe that he either is not sure of why you wheeze, and is hedging his bets (probably intending to fine tune things once better control is achieved), or he thinks it is a combination of both asthma and COPD. The tight feeling may be from the increased airways resistance cannot relate to the "tight feeling", my symptoms are mostly sob, heaviness in upper body, suffocating feeling in lungs (feels like no matter how much i breathe, i am not "getting enough" o2);
I’m not sure I understand the distinction you are making between "tight feeling" and "heaviness in the upper body" and "suffocating feeling." can you tell me something about your experience and medical background since i am new here and have not heard of you? where are you located? thanks again!
I did in the e-mail you sent.
Looking for comments and suggestions from those experienced and professional folks out there, in here… Finally had my long awaited appt with Pulmonary Medicine Specialist, a fine Dr here in the Houston area (turns out he is rated at the highest level by his physician peers across the USA!). I was totally impressed with his professionalism and one thing that he said rang like "jingle bells" in my ears, the unsolicited " I am going to be able to help you with this!" I could use more doctors with this attitude! Key points are that Dr immediately changed my meds from the generic albuterol and azmacort, saying that the generics are not as effective as others in his experience. New meds are now: Combivent 4×2, Flovent 2×2, and Singular 1xd. He wants to see me back in 4 weeks, saying it takes 2-3 weeks for effective response to treatment to begin. Also, Dr is wanting to redo my sleep study of Dec ‘99 that gave me a dx of OSA (obstructive sleep apnea) and see what is the current condition. I quit using the auto cpap about 4 months ago when there did not seem to be any more results and my symptoms of OSA had seemed to disappear (no more snoring, no more stopping breathing observed, no more need to nap and sleep during the day, etc!) Can someone please explain to me how in the world that I can have an o2 sat of 98-99 and yet have the suffocating feeling in my chest and lungs? I do not understand the workings of copd/asthma at all, I guess. What is the actual effects of bronchial spasms, the decreased volume of air? Also, this Dr is the second one that attached my current condition to the fact that I smoked cigs from about age 16 to 28! I am now amazed at age 56 that *everyone* in the USA over age 18 does not have copd/asthma! What determines whether I have this dx, and not others who have smoked and perhaps still do? If I have this dx some 30 years after I quit smoking, why did these symptoms only show up so obviously about two years ago? Thanks for any and all comments! Before you buy.
Key points are that Dr immediately changed my meds from the generic albuterol and azmacort, saying that the generics are not as effective as others in his experience. New meds are now: Combivent 4×2, Flovent 2×2, and Singular 1xd. He wants to see me back in 4 weeks, saying it takes 2-3 weeks for effective response to treatment to begin.
I’m not sure the issue is generic vs. brand. The Combivent is a combination of albuterol and ipatropium (Atrovent). COPD seems to affect the medium size airways more than asthma. Atrovent targets these airways more than the albuterol and so is the prefered drug. The added albuterol gives a slightly higher and longer lived response. Azmacort is a brand name. Flovent is a more potent steroid with less systemic absorption, hence fewer side effects. Sometimes you can have your cake and eat it too. Since only some people with COPD respond to steroids don’t be surprised if he eventually takes you off the steroids. I suspect he thinks there is a component of both asthma and COPD as he would not have used the Singulair if your case was purely COPD (no effect for this). Also, Dr is wanting to redo my sleep study of Dec ‘99 that gave me a dx of OSA (obstructive sleep apnea) and see what is the current condition. I quit using the auto cpap about 4 months ago when there did not seem to be any more results and my symptoms of OSA had seemed to disappear (no more snoring, no more stopping breathing observed, no more need to nap and sleep during the day, etc!)
If the symptoms have changed it makes sense to repeat the study. Can someone please explain to me how in the world that I can have an o2 sat of 98-99 and yet have the suffocating feeling in my chest and lungs? I do not understand the workings of copd/asthma at all, I guess. What is the actual effects of bronchial spasms, the decreased volume of air?
The tight feeling may be from the increased airways resistance with the bronchospasm. You are exchanging gasses well, just working harder to do it. The O2 sat is an indirect measure of how much O2 is in the blood (pO2). It measure what percentage of hemoglobin O2 binding sites are full (O2 sat). The sites do not fill in a linear manner. The hemoglobin saturation curve is "S-shaped" meaning that it is flat on either end (high or low O2) and steep in the middle. The steep part starts at about a sat of 90% wich correltated to a pO2 (oxygen content of the blood) of about 60. So your pO2 can fall from 100 to 60 with the sat only dropping from 98% to 90%. From there small changes in pO2 make big changes in sat. The point is that at the high end of O2’s (normal range) the pulse ox is not a sensitive test for changes in O2 content of the blood. One other thing puts a bit of a wrinkle in things. When you first start to hyperventilate during an attack the lowered CO2 and water vapor allows more room for O2 because all the gases must add up to 1 atmosphere of pressure. The attack usually has to be severe with a lot of mucus plugging and unused parts of the lungs before the O2 sat drops. Also, this Dr is the second one that attached my current condition to the fact that I smoked cigs from about age 16 to 28! I am now amazed at age 56 that *everyone* in the USA over age 18 does not have copd/asthma! What determines whether I have this dx, and not others who have smoked and perhaps still do? If I have this dx some 30 years after I quit smoking, why did these symptoms only show up so obviously about two years ago?
Only 15% of smokers will get COPD but 85% of those with COPD are smokers. There is a large genetic component (we think) to who will or will not get it. The lung damamge happens slowly over years and at an accelerated rate in smokers. Symptoms do not typically show up until age 40′2 to 50’s. It is quite possible that the smoking can cause symptoms to appear years after stopping. There are some changes on the chest x-ray that can be seen and some differences in the PFT’s that can suggest that the obstructive disease has more to do with smoking than asthma. As I said before, I suspect he thinks you have some of both. Whether this is all asthma, COPD, or a little of both the smoking certainly did not help the situation. — CBI, MD
I have always wondered what steroid inhalers work better than others. I know there has been talk about difference in taste ( aerobid/ aerobidM ), but I have never seen any discussion in this newsgoup about the effectiveness of different inhaled steroids. What steroid inhaler works best?
I have always wondered what steroid inhalers work better than others. I know there has been talk about difference in taste ( aerobid/ aerobidM ), but I have never seen any discussion in this newsgoup about the effectiveness of different inhaled steroids. What steroid inhaler works best?
There is no "best" inhaled steroid. The ‘best’ inhaled steroid is the one that works best for you – and a different one may be ‘best’ for me.
I have always wondered what steroid inhalers work better than others. I know there has been talk about difference in taste ( aerobid/ aerobidM ), but I have never seen any discussion in this newsgoup about the effectiveness of different inhaled steroids. What steroid inhaler works best?
Does anyone get hoarse using these – I guess that guys might not care or notice, but I don’t like being called sir on the phone!! And it is just plain hard to talk. Does anyone have any experiences with which ones would have the least side effect in this area?
Does anyone get hoarse using these – I guess that guys might not care or notice, but I don’t like being called sir on the phone!! And it is just plain hard to talk. Does anyone have any experiences with which ones would have the least side effect in this area?
I used Becotide 100 for about a year and developed nodules on my vocal cords resulting in a inability to talk at anything more than a whisper 8
Since both my pdoc and I suspect that my Effexor is the cause of my increased agitation, irritability, and general mental derailment, I have started coming off it. The last time, I had to stop it cold because it triggered my breakthrough manic episode (dose was much higher then). Anyway, I know I’m bound to have withdrawal symptoms – this time, I’ve been on it for nearly a year. Last time, I had been on it for 2 years and stopping it cold was absolute hell. This stepdown will be over the course of two weeks. If anybody in the group has gone through Effexor withdrawal, I’d sure appreciate some feedback on what to expect. Diana
Aiyee! Effexor stepdown is a beast, and cold turkey is the worst. Ever think of doing it over the course of a month? Or 3 weeks? I got over the worst of the side effects by using a generic version of TheraFlu. Jim M.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since both my pdoc and I suspect that my Effexor is the cause of my increased agitation, irritability, and general mental derailment, I have started coming off it. The last time, I had to stop it cold because it triggered my breakthrough manic episode (dose was much higher then). Anyway, I know I’m bound to have withdrawal symptoms – this time, I’ve been on it for nearly a year. Last time, I had been on it for 2 years and stopping it cold was absolute hell. This stepdown will be over the course of two weeks. If anybody in the group has gone through Effexor withdrawal, I’d sure appreciate some feedback on what to expect. Diana
At this point, it’s hard to tell which is worse – how I feel when I take the Effexor or how I feel when I don’t. So far, I’m on day three of the stepdown and just have the nausea, abdominal cramps and general fatigue. I know the worse part is yet to come but the Effexor is causing me such cognitive difficulty that I’m losing IQ points daily. The part I dread is the uncontrollable weeping – that’s what happened to me last time. The plan is for me to take the last dose on the 7th. I feel like I’m waiting to be shot or waiting to have surgery or something. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aiyee! Effexor stepdown is a beast, and cold turkey is the worst. Ever think of doing it over the course of a month? Or 3 weeks? I got over the worst of the side effects by using a generic version of TheraFlu. Jim M. Since both my pdoc and I suspect that my Effexor is the cause of my increased agitation, irritability, and general mental derailment, I have started coming off it. The last time, I had to stop it cold because it triggered my breakthrough manic episode (dose was much higher then). Anyway, I know I’m bound to have withdrawal symptoms – this time, I’ve been on it for nearly a year. Last time, I had been on it for 2 years and stopping it cold was absolute hell. This stepdown will be over the course of two weeks. If anybody in the group has gone through Effexor withdrawal, I’d sure appreciate some feedback on what to expect. Diana
No recomendation yet, meeting with Doc next week… — Dan ICQ 108553906
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, I’ve been on the Paxil for about five weeks now, feeling better but really experiencing the sexual side effects of the Paxil. I have heard that Serzone gives you all the benefits of Paxil and No sexual side effects. Can anyone respond both pro and con for switching to Serzone. I’d like to get my drive/libido back. Also if you have made the switch from Paxil how did you do it, were you weaned off the Paxil slowly or just a cold turkey switch to the serzone. Thanks in advance for any and all responses. — Dan ICQ 108553906 serzone does indeed have less sexual interference then the ssri’s-switching is best done by a slow taper off the paxil and once on around 5 mg a day for a week just switching over to a small dose of serzone-initially you may feel fatigued and spacey for a few days to a few weeks if you go too fast upward in the titration-what has your doc recomended? LM
Folks, I’ve been on the Paxil for about five weeks now, feeling better but really experiencing the sexual side effects of the Paxil. I have heard that Serzone gives you all the benefits of Paxil and No sexual side effects. Can anyone respond both pro and con for switching to Serzone. I’d like to get my drive/libido back. Also if you have made the switch from Paxil how did you do it, were you weaned off the Paxil slowly or just a cold turkey switch to the serzone. Thanks in advance for any and all responses. — Dan ICQ 108553906
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, I’ve been on the Paxil for about five weeks now, feeling better but really experiencing the sexual side effects of the Paxil. I have heard that Serzone gives you all the benefits of Paxil and No sexual side effects. Can anyone respond both pro and con for switching to Serzone. I’d like to get my drive/libido back. Also if you have made the switch from Paxil how did you do it, were you weaned off the Paxil slowly or just a cold turkey switch to the serzone. Thanks in advance for any and all responses. — Dan ICQ 108553906
serzone does indeed have less sexual interference then the ssri’s-switching is best done by a slow taper off the paxil and once on around 5 mg a day for a week just switching over to a small dose of serzone-initially you may feel fatigued and spacey for a few days to a few weeks if you go too fast upward in the titration-what has your doc recomended? LM
Danny, I didn’t go from Paxil to Serzone but did go Zoloft-Wellbutrin-Serzone, which I now have been on for about five months. With the Wellbutrin I ramped off, and then began the "starter pack" of Serzone. But even the lowest dosage I found intolerable at first – it upset my stomach and made me feel like I had drank ten cups of coffee. I had to break the beginning pills in half to make it comfortable and move up from there. Once you’re on it it’s fine, but it’s bumpy getting there. As far as libido or sexual side effects there were none . . . . at first. However (and this could just be me, obviously) at about the four month mark I did start to have problems, similar to what the Zoloft was doing. It disperses my concentration to the point where it’s very difficult to "finish" in bed. I don’t know why it took this long to kick in, but it did. I’m currently at 150mg twice a day, and at one point my doc tried to increase it to 400 total. That DIDN’T work, made me feel like a zombie and totally screwed with my physical coordination, so I went back to 300. But I’m seriously thinking of ramping off it entirely, not just because of the sexual problem but other side effects as well. I’ll call my doc and talk about it. Good luck to you, however, and don’t take my experience as a negative for trying Serzone. I’ve noticed on the other meds many times I have an unusual reaction which just proves we all react differently to some degree. Wayne
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, I’ve been on the Paxil for about five weeks now, feeling better but really experiencing the sexual side effects of the Paxil. I have heard that Serzone gives you all the benefits of Paxil and No sexual side effects. Can anyone respond both pro and con for switching to Serzone. I’d like to get my drive/libido back. Also if you have made the switch from Paxil how did you do it, were you weaned off the Paxil slowly or just a cold turkey switch to the serzone. Thanks in advance for any and all responses. — Dan ICQ 108553906
I have taken Effexor along with Phentermine before and had no ill effects. However, some people have experienced "seratonin syndrome" when taking Phentermine along with these types of antidepressants. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
I take wellbutrin and trazadone (for sleep). I’m thinking about going to a weight loss clinic…they give phentermine. Has anybody taken this combo. or know if it’s ok. I don’t want to waste going to the clinic if this stuff doesn’t
I agree. I would get off the Trazodone. There must be somthing else you can take. I and some of my friends have taken phentermine and wellbutrin for weight loss and it worked pretty well. I do not suggest doing all those drugs at once. If you are taking drugs for weight loss – try a natural method for sleeping — or visa versa. Sandra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a pretty odd combo you are taking. Trazodone is one of the old syile SSRIs, jacking up your Serotonine levels. Welbutrin, amongst other things increases dopamine levels. Trazodone will make you sleep (with a bad hangover usually since the halftime is 18 hrs). In a varity of cases it will aggravate your exhaustion. (Sleep, be sleepy all day, wake up in the evening, take Trazodone to sleep, be sleepy all day and so on). Trazodone has been demonstrated to noticeably increase weight. Wellbutrin is a stimulant in a sense. Your head is being pulled both ways it appears. Phentermine will increase your dopamine levels as well. Combined with Wellbutrin this sounds like a pretty bad idea. I take it you are diagnosed as depressed. Phentermine has shown interaction here and from what I have heard is contraindicated. Besides all of that, if you already have problems sleeping Phentermine will make this situation only worse. Anyhow, from the sound of it your shrink is really out of ideas as to what to prescribe to you and throws all sorts of neurotransmitter manipulators at you. I have been in a situation like yours and dropped the guy and went looking for someone that had better sense. For eample newer antidepressants such as Serzone will let you sleep similar to Trazodone but apparently causes no weight gain. Before you go into a pharmaceutically based weight program look at what you are doing to your body and mind today. Making modifications there may already have the desired effect instead of pumping even more chemicals into you. I am not a licensed psychiatrist, medical doctor of any sort, a layperson in every sense of the word. Nothing I state should be construed as medical advice. Always seek the advice of a licensed physician. Just a disclaimer. I take wellbutrin and trazadone (for sleep). I’m thinking about going to a weight loss clinic…they give phentermine. Has anybody taken this combo. or know if it’s ok. I don’t want to waste going to the clinic if this stuff doesn’t
Before you buy.
I started taking phentermine with Trazadone and Wellbutrin but quickly stopped the Trazadone. I didn’t like the way I felt in the morning and I was also concerned about the combination with the other two drugs. Now I just take 300 mg of Wellbutrin and 37.5 of Adipex. I have really been amazed at the results so far. I have a long time problem with depression and it has practically gone away since I started. All my obsessive and compulsive behavior about food has also disappeared. To me this is magic. I do have a problem sometimes getting to sleep considering that both drugs are stimulants but I am not working right now so it’s not a big deal. I would not advise taking all three meds. Debbie
Tetris I would be very interested in what you find out about 5 htp from your new doctor. I noticed a lead from Barbara’s obesity site for a Md. ( dietmedications.com/)who has supposedly worked out a good formulation for 5 htp. Supposedly he say’s to combine it with the drug you mentioned (caridopa) and possible pendolol . the purpose is to slow the absorption of the 5 HTP. It is expensive about ($2.50) cents a day the best I can figure. If you find out anything about this or anything that can replace part of fen/phen that is banned we all would be really grateful. Thanks Roy
I too have been searching for a combination diet drug therapy since phen-fen went away. I’ve tried phentermine by itself, phen-prozac (it made me extremely drowsy even at low doses), Meridia, and Xenical. None of these worked very well. My current doctor refuses to prescribe any combination of medications. He is afraid. I can’t say I blame him all that much with all the paranoia over lawsuits. However, I am still 100 pounds overweight and desperate. After doing some research, I think that phentermine/5-HTP just might be the answer that I’m looking for. The kind of 5-HTP I’m thinking of is the pharmaceutical grade (USP – United States Pharmacopoeia), available only by prescription at certain compounding pharmacies. The USP 5-HTP is more expensive (but still much cheaper than Meridia or Xenical) and is synthetic. The over the counter variety is derived naturally from the seeds of the Griffonia plant. I’m thinking that the USP 5-HTP would be free of the Peak-X and Peak-E contaminants that the Mayo Clinic made such a fuss about a year or two ago in six unidentified brands of over the counter 5-HTP. I have experimented with over the counter 5-HTP and tyrosine. The 5-HTP (100 mg), takes the place of fenfluramine and the tyrosine (500 mg) takes the place of phentermine. This combination reasonably imitates the effect of phen-fen for me without unpleasant side effects, except dry mouth and occasional headaches. The only drawback is the short half-life of the 5-HTP. The appetite suppressing effect lasts only about two and half hours. Obviously this is not enough to be a practical weight loss solution. Next week, I will see a new doctor. He has a good reputation for being very progressive. I plan to discuss 5-HTP/phentermine with him. I will ask if there is any way to extend its very short lived effect. I have heard that the prescription medication carbidopa might help with this. I will post the results of my visit if anyone is interested. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree. I would get off the Trazodone. There must be somthing else you can take. I and some of my friends have taken phentermine and wellbutrin for weight loss and it worked pretty well. I do not suggest doing all those drugs at once. If you are taking drugs for weight loss – try a natural method for sleeping — or visa versa. Sandra This is a pretty odd combo you are taking. Trazodone is one of the old syile SSRIs, jacking up your Serotonine levels. Welbutrin, amongst other things increases dopamine levels. Trazodone will make you sleep (with a bad hangover usually since the halftime is 18 hrs). In a varity of cases it will aggravate your exhaustion. (Sleep, be sleepy all day, wake up in the evening, take Trazodone to sleep, be sleepy all day and so on). Trazodone has been demonstrated to noticeably increase weight. Wellbutrin is a stimulant in a sense. Your head is being pulled both ways it appears. Phentermine will increase your dopamine levels as well. Combined with Wellbutrin this sounds like a pretty bad idea. I take it you are diagnosed as depressed. Phentermine has shown interaction here and from what I have heard is contraindicated. Besides all of that, if you already have problems sleeping Phentermine will make this situation only worse. Anyhow, from the sound of it your shrink is really out of ideas as to what to prescribe to you and throws all sorts of neurotransmitter manipulators at you. I have been in a situation like yours and dropped the guy and went looking for someone that had better sense. For eample newer antidepressants such as Serzone will let you sleep similar to Trazodone but apparently causes no weight gain. Before you go into a pharmaceutically based weight program look at what you are doing to your body and mind today. Making modifications there may already have the desired effect instead of pumping even more chemicals into you. I am not a licensed psychiatrist, medical doctor of any sort, a layperson in every sense of the word. Nothing I state should be construed as medical advice. Always seek the advice of a licensed physician. Just a disclaimer. I take wellbutrin and trazadone (for sleep). I’m thinking about going to a weight loss clinic…they give phentermine. Has anybody taken this combo. or know if it’s ok. I don’t want to waste going to the clinic if this stuff doesn’t Before you buy.
This is a pretty odd combo you are taking. Trazodone is one of the old syile SSRIs, jacking up your Serotonine levels. Welbutrin, amongst other things increases dopamine levels. Trazodone will make you sleep (with a bad hangover usually since the halftime is 18 hrs). In a varity of cases it will aggravate your exhaustion. (Sleep, be sleepy all day, wake up in the evening, take Trazodone to sleep, be sleepy all day and so on). Trazodone has been demonstrated to noticeably increase weight. Wellbutrin is a stimulant in a sense. Your head is being pulled both ways it appears. Phentermine will increase your dopamine levels as well. Combined with Wellbutrin this sounds like a pretty bad idea. I take it you are diagnosed as depressed. Phentermine has shown interaction here and from what I have heard is contraindicated. Besides all of that, if you already have problems sleeping Phentermine will make this situation only worse. Anyhow, from the sound of it your shrink is really out of ideas as to what to prescribe to you and throws all sorts of neurotransmitter manipulators at you. I have been in a situation like yours and dropped the guy and went looking for someone that had better sense. For eample newer antidepressants such as Serzone will let you sleep similar to Trazodone but apparently causes no weight gain. Before you go into a pharmaceutically based weight program look at what you are doing to your body and mind today. Making modifications there may already have the desired effect instead of pumping even more chemicals into you. I am not a licensed psychiatrist, medical doctor of any sort, a layperson in every sense of the word. Nothing I state should be construed as medical advice. Always seek the advice of a licensed physician. Just a disclaimer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take wellbutrin and trazadone (for sleep). I’m thinking about going to a weight loss clinic…they give phentermine. Has anybody taken this combo. or know if it’s ok. I don’t want to waste going to the clinic if this stuff doesn’t
Hello I have a question.I am a 29 year old male.My hands shakes all the time especially in my fingers,and mostly my pinky.When I get scared,or nervous my hands starts to shake real bad.This has been going on well over a year.Now lately my chess gets tight,and my heart beats rapidly for a log period of time.When I hear my dog barking I get real jumpy,and chest gets tight etc.doses anyone know what this is,and what can be done.Thanks.
I think I said this before but I’ll do it again: IMO your tremor seems anxiety related as you say it gets worse when you’re scared and your other symptoms are typical anxiety symptoms too. However, there are multiple physical conditions that can cause tremor so it would be advisable to have them ruled out. There is *no* reason to think about *Parkinson’s disease* although tremor can be one of its symptoms. I think this reply is unnecessarily frightening. I *would* opt for a physical check-up first though as it is always advisable to rule out other causes and then to go on working on anxiety with a good psychiatrist specialized in anxiety disorders to be properly diagnosed and get prescribed some meds. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – mail contents: subjects from public accessible information for direct on processes of several symptoms on tremor and Parkinson’s disease sites for tremor and Parkinson’s disease ==== One thing about equality is not just that you be treated equally …but that you treat yourself equally to the way you treat [others]…. (make reference to writings of Marlo Thomas) subjects: bradykinesia [slowness of movements] CT and/or MRI scan deep-brain structures, including the basal ganglia, the thalamus, and the globus pallidus. These form a ‘circuit’ that transfers motion-related signals from the brain to the spinal cord and thus to the rest of the body. dyskinesia (uncontrollable movements) electrophysiologically monitored pallidotomy for Parkinson’s disease intraoperative physiologic testing during the operations Massachusetts General Hospital is the only hospital in New England offering the pallidotomy procedure New York teaching hospital planned to offer the pallidotomy procedure neurologist, evaluates Parkinson’s patients for surgery medicine Neither drugs nor operations can cure Parkinson’s. Eventually patients need higher doses of medication to control their symptoms. many develop drug-induced dyskinesias and find themselves existing on a precarious edge: motionless without medication, moving uncontrollably with medication. Operations available for certain specific syndromes [of Parkinson'sfunctional and stereotactic neurosurgery (including electrophysiologically monitored pallidotomy for Parkinson's disease and thalamotomy for disabling tremor) pain (no pain-sensing nerves are located inside the brain) Parkinson's disease treatment include radiofrequency lesioning, glycerol or phenol injection, the insertion of epidural catheters for continuous medication infusion, cordotomy pallidotomy (to treat Parkinson's procedures involve making small lesions (areas of damaged tissue) in parts of the brain involved with motion control, the lesion is placed in an area called the globus pallidus) Parkinson's Disease (PD) is a progressive neurological disorder caused by --- a loss of nerve cells in the substantia nigra ---death of certain brain cells secreting a chemical called dopamine, one of several neurotransmitters that carry signals between brain cells. Normally, dopamine operates in a delicate balance with other neurotransmitters to help coordinate the millions of nerve and muscle cells involved in movement. Without enough dopamine, this balance is upset. ---infections of the brain, certain drugs, and brain injury paroxysmal pain such as trigeminal and glossopharyngeal neuralgia stereotactic neurosurgery PET scanning preoperative evaluation preoperative imaging studies spasticity (muscle spasms, usually caused by stroke or other neurologic diseases) Stereotactic pallidotomy or thalamotomy . The surgical target within the pallidum is defined for the surgical procedure itself. A skin incision is made in the scalp after infiltration with local anesthesia and a burr hole is drilled through the skull. A insulated stimulating electrode is then introduced into the postero-ventro-lateral globus pallidus. When the intraoperative stimulation indicates that the tip of the electrode lies in a critically identified location with high accuracy need, the optimal location, a temporary (nonpermanent) lesion is first made. If all of these conditions are met, then a permanent lesion is created at the site. The lesion may suppress that area and partially restore the lost balance between neurotransmitter systems It should be noted that none of the stimulation or lesioning is at all painful. Surgery on the thalamus , thalamotomy as surgical treatment for Parkinson's Disease. Thalamotomy, has an excellent effect on tremor, not quite as effective at reducing rigidity. (warning: it can cause the third major symptom, slowness of movement, to get worse). stereotactic surgery made operating on the brain much safer. Stereotaxis uses a metal frame to hold a patient's head absolutely still during imaging studies and the operation. thalamotomy, [creation of a lesion in] the thalamus <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<inte rnet sites on processes of some symptoms in tremor and Parkinson’s disease World wide web page: http://neurosurgery.mgh.harvard.edu/Pdpallid. htm#frustrations — an operation for Surgical Treatment of Parkinson’s Disease —on Parkinson’s disease and the globus pallidus World wide web page of Parkinson’s disease: http://mcns10.med.nyu.edu —–History of man with a 18-year history of Parkinson’s disease, candidate for a left stereotactic pallidotomy. —Physical Exam —Procedure —Surgical Treatment of Parkinson’s Disease Other Parkinson’s disease World Wide Web Sites Parkinson Foundation of Canada Parkinson Society of from Jeffrey Kaye (including definitions and U.S. legislation) Parkinson’s Disease Guide: . American Association for Neurology articles about Parkinson’s Disease World wide web page to search on Parkinson’s disease : General Medical.htm —Parkinson’s disease —Medicines in development World wide web page to search: Hoehn and Yahr Staging [effects] of Parkinson’s Disease (Parkinson’s Disease Staging.htm) World wide web page to search on Parkinson’s disease by Neurosurgery : .Functional Neurosurgery MGH ~ Links.htm <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<disclaimer i notice readings as public accessible information. often i use personal opinion only but many sources from reputable medical sites. i am without medical authority to treat conditions. Message 1 of 1 Before you buy.
Hello I have a question.I am a 29 year old male.My hands shakes all the time especially in my fingers,and mostly my pinky.When I get scared,or nervous my hands starts to shake real bad.This has been going on well over a year.Now lately my chess gets tight,and my heart beats rapidly for a log period of time.When I hear my dog barking I get real jumpy,and chest gets tight etc.doses anyone know what this is,and what can be done.Thanks.
Hello I have a question.I am a 29 year old male.My hands shakes all the time especially in my fingers,and mostly my pinky.When I get scared,or nervous my hands starts to shake real bad.This has been going on well over a year.Now lately my chess gets tight,and my heart beats rapidly for a log period of time.When I hear my dog barking I get real jumpy,and chest gets tight etc.doses anyone know what this is,and what can be done.Thanks.
You may have *essential tremor* but your tremor may also be attributed to a panic disorder as is suggested by the chest pain, heart racing and jumpiness at loud sounds. I think you should have a physical checkup to rule out other disorders and if those are not found you’ll need a psychiatrist specialized in anxiety disorders (maybe there’s a university clinic in your area?) to get properly diganosed and prescribed meds and/or therapy. The sooner this is treated the better. Philip
Tremors and cracking voice were the symtoms that drove me to fear social situations. Turned out I had mitral valve prolapse, a fluttering heart valve, that was corrected by beta blockers like Inderal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I have a question.I am a 29 year old male.My hands shakes all the time especially in my fingers,and mostly my pinky.When I get scared,or nervous my hands starts to shake real bad.This has been going on well over a year.Now lately my chess gets tight,and my heart beats rapidly for a log period of time.When I hear my dog barking I get real jumpy,and chest gets tight etc.doses anyone know what this is,and what can be done.Thanks.
Hello I have a question.I am a 29 year old male.My hands shakes all the time especially in my fingers,and mostly my pinky.When I get scared,or nervous my hands starts to shake real bad.This has been going on well over a year.Now lately my chess gets tight,and my heart beats rapidly for a log period of time.When I hear my dog barking I get real jumpy,and chest gets tight etc.doses anyone know what this is,and what can be done.Thanks.
mail contents: subjects from public accessible information for direct on processes of several symptoms on tremor and Parkinson’s disease sites for tremor and Parkinson’s disease ==== One thing about equality is not just that you be treated equally …but that you treat yourself equally to the way you treat [others]…. (make reference to writings of Marlo Thomas) subjects: bradykinesia [slowness of movements] CT and/or MRI scan deep-brain structures, including the basal ganglia, the thalamus, and the globus pallidus. These form a ‘circuit’ that transfers motion-related signals from the brain to the spinal cord and thus to the rest of the body. dyskinesia (uncontrollable movements) electrophysiologically monitored pallidotomy for Parkinson’s disease intraoperative physiologic testing during the operations Massachusetts General Hospital is the only hospital in New England offering the pallidotomy procedure New York teaching hospital planned to offer the pallidotomy procedure neurologist, evaluates Parkinson’s patients for surgery medicine Neither drugs nor operations can cure Parkinson’s. Eventually patients need higher doses of medication to control their symptoms. many develop drug-induced dyskinesias and find themselves existing on a precarious edge: motionless without medication, moving uncontrollably with medication. Operations available for certain specific syndromes [of Parkinson'sfunctional and stereotactic neurosurgery (including electrophysiologically monitored pallidotomy for Parkinson's disease and thalamotomy for disabling tremor) pain (no pain-sensing nerves are located inside the brain) Parkinson's disease treatment include radiofrequency lesioning, glycerol or phenol injection, the insertion of epidural catheters for continuous medication infusion, cordotomy pallidotomy (to treat Parkinson's procedures involve making small lesions (areas of damaged tissue) in parts of the brain involved with motion control, the lesion is placed in an area called the globus pallidus) Parkinson's Disease (PD) is a progressive neurological disorder caused by --- a loss of nerve cells in the substantia nigra ---death of certain brain cells secreting a chemical called dopamine, one of several neurotransmitters that carry signals between brain cells. Normally, dopamine operates in a delicate balance with other neurotransmitters to help coordinate the millions of nerve and muscle cells involved in movement. Without enough dopamine, this balance is upset. ---infections of the brain, certain drugs, and brain injury paroxysmal pain such as trigeminal and glossopharyngeal neuralgia stereotactic neurosurgery PET scanning preoperative evaluation preoperative imaging studies spasticity (muscle spasms, usually caused by stroke or other neurologic diseases) Stereotactic pallidotomy or thalamotomy . The surgical target within the pallidum is defined for the surgical procedure itself. A skin incision is made in the scalp after infiltration with local anesthesia and a burr hole is drilled through the skull. A insulated stimulating electrode is then introduced into the postero-ventro-lateral globus pallidus. When the intraoperative stimulation indicates that the tip of the electrode lies in a critically identified location with high accuracy need, the optimal location, a temporary (nonpermanent) lesion is first made. If all of these conditions are met, then a permanent lesion is created at the site. The lesion may suppress that area and partially restore the lost balance between neurotransmitter systems It should be noted that none of the stimulation or lesioning is at all painful. Surgery on the thalamus , thalamotomy as surgical treatment for Parkinson's Disease. Thalamotomy, has an excellent effect on tremor, not quite as effective at reducing rigidity. (warning: it can cause the third major symptom, slowness of movement, to get worse). stereotactic surgery made operating on the brain much safer. Stereotaxis uses a metal frame to hold a patient's head absolutely still during imaging studies and the operation. thalamotomy, [creation of a lesion in] the thalamus <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<inte rnet sites on processes of some symptoms in tremor and Parkinson’s disease World wide web page: http://neurosurgery.mgh.harvard.edu/Pdpallid. htm#frustrations — an operation for Surgical Treatment of Parkinson’s Disease —on Parkinson’s disease and the globus pallidus World wide web page of Parkinson’s disease: http://mcns10.med.nyu.edu —–History of man with a 18-year history of Parkinson’s disease, candidate for a left stereotactic pallidotomy. —Physical Exam —Procedure —Surgical Treatment of Parkinson’s Disease Other Parkinson’s disease World Wide Web Sites Parkinson Foundation of Canada Parkinson Society of from Jeffrey Kaye (including definitions and U.S. legislation) Parkinson’s Disease Guide: . American Association for Neurology articles about Parkinson’s Disease World wide web page to search on Parkinson’s disease : General Medical.htm —Parkinson’s disease —Medicines in development World wide web page to search: Hoehn and Yahr Staging [effects] of Parkinson’s Disease (Parkinson’s Disease Staging.htm) World wide web page to search on Parkinson’s disease by Neurosurgery : .Functional Neurosurgery MGH ~ Links.htm <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<disclaimer i notice readings as public accessible information. often i use personal opinion only but many sources from reputable medical sites. i am without medical authority to treat conditions. Message 1 of 1
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I’ve been off of Zoloft for about 6-months….it helped a little bit….I guess?; I’m starting to feel that depression-thing( I never realized I had, until I’d been on Anti-Depressants! ( Zoloft) I had to stop, cause I just couldn’t stand the Anxiety…..while it seemed to give me a more up-beat Just looking for feed-back? I haven’t started, as my mail-order has not come in yet!!! "but I have good expections!!!!" Everybody around here seems to think; if one drug doesn’t work…then try a different one. thanks for listening!!! Wild & Crazy
I’ve been off of Zoloft for about 6-months….it helped a little bit….I guess?; I’m starting to feel that depression-thing( I never realized I had, until I’d been on Anti-Depressants! ( Zoloft) I had to stop, cause I just couldn’t stand the Anxiety…..while it seemed to give me a more up-beat Just looking for feed-back? I haven’t started, as my mail-order has not come in yet!!! "but I have good expections!!!!" Everybody around here seems to think; if one drug doesn’t work…then try a different one. thanks for listening!!! Wild & Crazy
Hi Wild & Crazy, It is true, if one med doesn`t work, move on to another one. Paxil has been a good med for me and *hopefully* you will have good results too. It is important to start Paxil at a low dose, 5 mgs is a good starting dose. You would stay at this dose for one week. Do all your increases in 5mg increments and stay at each increase for one week. Weaning like this will hopefully keep any side-effects that you have to a minimum. Having a benzo such a Xanax or Klonopin would help you deal with any increased anxiety you might experience. Give Paxil 6 to 8 weeks to kick in. Good luck!!! 
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Wild and Crazy I guess what you have to decide is what is worse, the side-effects, or the illness
To Wild&Crazy,I have been on Prozac,Adivan,Buspar,Celexa,Zoloft,Xanax,and now Paxil.As you can see I’ve been through some meds.But I’m replying to you to let you know that Paxil(I take 10 mg. a day)is what has stopped my panic attacks.Zoloft seemed to make me have more attacks.Paxil is for PD more so than it is for depression.I don’t notice any side effects either. I have been on it for about 4 months. Good Luck. I know what you are going through. For 10 years I’ve been a sufferer. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
I need some input on Paxil. I’ve done the Zoloft thing…and it really made me nervous; and I gave it more than enough time, 6 or 7 months. What about Paxil? I’m considering trying Paxil…… Just looking for helpful input! Thanks, Wild & Crazy
I need some input on Paxil. I’ve done the Zoloft thing…and it really made me nervous; and I gave it more than enough time, 6 or 7 months. What about Paxil? I’m considering trying Paxil…… Just looking for helpful input! Thanks, Wild & Crazy
There is nothing sensible to say about this as our reactions to meds are totally individual. As a rule though if a med from a certain group (in this case the SSRI’s) doesn’t work for you it’s often a good idea to try another med from the same group first. I would try Paxil if I were you but if it doesn’t work well after eight weeks or so I would advise trying another group of meds (TCA’s, benzos) Philip
mr. zoloft worked on some of my obsessional thinking, then it killed my penis! no erection or orgasm for a month. i thought my doc poisoned me. got a new doc, put me on paxil. i have nothing but praise for mr. paxil at this point, but have only been on it for about a month. almost panic attack free. mr. zoloft is fucking poison for me. see another doctor if yours is giving you the nad killer. if mr. paxil doesn’t work for you, then try mr. effexor. if that doesn’t work then go back to steady, heavy drinking. lot’s of side effects in the morning, but no panic attacks and you don’t need a script. all kidding aside, paxil is the one! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need some input on Paxil. I’ve done the Zoloft thing…and it really made me nervous; and I gave it more than enough time, 6 or 7 months. What about Paxil? I’m considering trying Paxil…… Just looking for helpful input! Thanks, Wild & Crazy
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] I also have lingering side effects from Effexor. The ones I have involve the strange internal sensations that some people report while on Effexor: so-called ‘brain shivers,’ the lightning-storm-along-the-nervous-system shock sensations and being out-of-phase with body movement. There is also some synesthesia triggered by hearing which causes physical sensations and odd visual phenomena. All of these effects began with Effexor, intensified while changing the dose, up or down, and have been persistent for over two years since taking the medication. Sometimes I am really pissed-off about it. I wonder about lawsuits. What you are describing is very familiar to me. I’ve experienced these strange "electric shock" symptoms whenever _withdrawing_ from a trial of a serotonergic antidepressant (i.e. most recently Effexor, previously the SSRI’s Luvox and Prozac, and long before that the MAOI’s Parnate and Nardil). Effexor is the worst for producing this due to the fact of its very short half-life compared to other serotonergic antidepressants (i.e. its blood levels fall off rather quickly following the last dose, resulting in withdrawal symptoms even when taking it regularly as prescribed). Have you tried Effexor-XR (i.e. Effexor in extended release form)? Though I haven’t tried it myself, I’ve read good reports on the net from people who switched to it from the immediate release form because of side effects (such as this one). [BTW: My current regimen includes immediate release Effexor (~65 mg/day) plus Luvox (175 mg/day).] Sodah
The roller coaster affect was minimized by the XR form for myself. Effexor is an SNRI. Some basic differences in how it works, compared to SSRI’s. zszszszszszszszsZZZZZZZZIT!!! (goes my brain as I type)
Have you tried Effexor-XR (i.e. Effexor in extended release form)? Though I haven’t tried it myself, I’ve read good reports on the net from people who switched to it from the immediate release form because of side effects (such as this one).
I’ve been on Effexor XR for about a year now, and I still get brain shivers (I call them "Effexor buzzies"). They’re the most pronounced when I’m overtired, late with a dose, or stressed. I also have great difficulty in reaching orgasm. This has gotten progressively worse over the course of the year. Last summer I was up to 450 mg/day. I gradually reduced this to 225 mg/day, but the orgasmic difficulty hasn’t really changed. — Bluebird
I have been both on the Effxor and Effxor-XR and have had no trouble in the sexual area. I am able to function normally. Maybe this makes me not normal. Oh joy something else to be paranoid about. Dose is 75mg 3 times daily – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I also have great difficulty in reaching orgasm. This has gotten progressively worse over the course of the year. Last summer I was up to 450 mg/day. I gradually reduced this to 225 mg/day, but the orgasmic difficulty hasn’t really changed. — Bluebird
I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day. Man, are you all right?
Sorta. I spend a lot of time in bed. I doze off pretty quick. Lots of ‘waking’ type dreams though. Those ones where you are dreaming, then ‘wake’ up. Only to find you are only dreaming you are awake? Some people cando that, others can’t. What if the degree of side effects is related to a degree of permanent damage? I had fewer side effects by going down slower, 1/4 pill, ~ 10mg, 9.375 or so.
The electrical firings started when I discontinued Zoloft 4 or so years ago. I figure I’ll have them several times a day for the rest of my life. I’m experiencing ‘electrical flashes’ that come in groups of two but mostly three. They are accompanied with a "sssshhhttt" sound in my ears, an explosive fragmenting of vision ‘behind my eyes’, a metallic taste in my mouth and a total body twitch. They build up very quickly and I have the sensation that my head is about to explode in tremendous pain. But, because of the extreme rapidity, this ‘pain’ can be tolerated. Those are the ‘lightning storms in the nervous system.’
Yah. I also get a very strong ’startle’ reaction with an adrenaline rush when I hear any sudden noise or see something sudden. But, I got those when I was really depressed in the hospital before any meds had really taken effect. Sometimes these flashes spread throughout my body in a nervous chain reaction. Mostly down my left side. They cause me to twitch like the reflex test on knees. If they are strong enough, I lose my balance or drop things. I get about 50 of these a day now. For me, they continued at that level for months following discontinuing the medication. I still get around the same amount but they are far slighter in sensation, like weaker, sort of.
Maybe they’ll go away, eventually. I remember self-medicating with speed back in the late 60’s when it was legal. It took over 5 years to get over the ’speed rushes’ and the ’speed’ smell on my skin when I got angry. The drug DID work. For awhile. But coming down…. yechhhh… bad scene. The main continuous side effect can be described as the feelings you get after an ‘adrenalin rush’. An uncontrollable, internal shaking (vibrating) and an ‘on edge’ feeling. Also moments of ’spaced out’ feelings. A physical disconnection from reality. I notice this the most when driving. Almost hallucinatory. When I realize this happening, I have to consciously force myself back. I got that while on the drug too but after discontinuing that stuff all stopped.
I’ve got it pretty severe now. I just crawl into bed. However, I still get the out-of-phase effect where it feels like some sort of body sense is coming in behind the actual movements of the body, no way to describe it really. I suspect it may be related to what gave the spaced-out and dissociative senses while on the drug.
This sounds kinda familiar. From previous experience, this will take about 3 months to subside to once or twice daily. I’m never going to take that stuff or anything like it ever again in my life.
All in all, my experience with meds in the last 5/6 years has not been good. I suppose they kept me alive. But sort of like a vegetable. Somehow, I lost myself. When I first started getting and reporting the weird side effects, only days after starting the drug at 37.5mg, the ‘expert’ psychiatrist prescribing the shit told me that was normal and that it would go away once I stabilized at a therapeutic level. I listened to the jerk even after the side effects worsened, all the way to 300mg and me being almost unable to function from the goddamn side effects, so then I decided enough was enough, took me months to get down, lowering the dose made the side effects worse. Now I still have some over two years later.
I had a doc that denied that any of these affects could be caused by the meds. I checked it out in the PDR, photocopied it and showed it to him. He just shrugged and said "Oh." I don’t trust the majority of GP’s to have real knowledge of these meds. I suppose they just push the one the latest drug rep was in to see them about. Back to bed….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. When on the med I had lost libido and my penis was numb as if someone had given it a shot of novacaine. I could achieve orgasm only after extreme effort and with no good feeling along the way. That’s why I discontinued the med. After two years, I haven’t regained the sensitivity (my penis doesn’t feel totally numb, but it is no more sensitive than let’s say my leg and not in a sexual way at all) and I can only achieve orgasm after much effort, with no good feelinguntil that instant. There is no longer any lustfullness or desire to have sex and no tension or release during. However, I have no problem getting an erection. I received a shot of testosterone from my family doctor which returned everything to normal for several days, but then wore off. My doctor will not give me any more shots because test showed my testosterone level in the normal range, 495 ng/dl, so he thinks it’s in my head which I know it isn’t (even in my darkest depths i could rely on a little sexual activity to make me feeL better). What I would like to ask the group is has anyone had any similar experiences and if so what can be done to help the problem, if anything? I am going to see a urologist on Thursday. A testosterone level of 495 ng/dL is, indeed, in the normal range, but not exceedingly high. The normal range is 300 to 1000. At a level of 300, the desire for sex will happen for most guys about once every two weeks to a month. At 1000, very other day, or even daily. The effects vary. Some men get more libido out of a lower level than others. Testosterone level also varies as much as 100 ng/dL over the course of the day. It is highest in the morning and lowest in the evening. If the blood for your 495 was drawn in the morning, then it is even closer to the lower limit of normal. As for it wearing off, that is normal. Injected testosterone peaks in 2-3 days, then tapers off straight-line over the following two weeks. At the end of two weeks, it is gone. Guys on shots usually have a shot every two weeks. I self-inject, so I give myself half the dosage, but weekly. This way the shots overlap and I get a more even level. My doc says he prescribes testosterone replacement therapy for any patient who tests below 300, and even for a few above that. My advice is to find a different doc. Part of the problem is that your doc is a "family doctor," not a urologist. Family practitioners frquently don’t feel sexual dysfunction problems are worth treating. Sometimes I wish I could let them see what it is like to lose sexual desire. They’d change their tune fast, I bet. A urologist will take your problems seriously. It may be caused by more than just lack of testosterone. A urologist will know more options and therapies. Get to one right away and get your life back. NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Make the ISP read "spiritone.com" by adding an "e."
John, thanks for the info. Incidentally, the testosterone test was given in the morning. Hey, Iv’e got another question for you. How much does testosterone cost? Is it much cheaper to self inject and are doctors reluctant to allow their patients to do this? Thanks Mike
This Effexor sounds like some pretty mean stuff!
Not really, most people do just fine on it. Hardly any side effects at all and any there are clear up shortly after the medication is stopped. People with severe side effects are in the minority; people with long-lasting side effects are rare.
I received a shot of testosterone from my family doctor which returned
everything to normal for several days, but then wore off. My doctor will not give me any more shots because test showed my testosterone level in the normal range, 495 ng/dl, so he thinks it’s in my head Something’s wrong with the doc. If the shots returned you to normal, this should be looked into. When did he take the test? Your testosterone levels are higher in the AM. I am going to see a urologist on Thursday. Thanks for taking the time out
to read this and thanks for any replies.Mike Good. Please let us know what happens. — Jerry Sturdivant
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day. Man, are you all right? Some people cando that, others can’t. What if the degree of side effects is related to a degree of permanent damage? I had fewer side effects by going down slower, 1/4 pill, ~ 10mg, 9.375 or so. I’m experiencing ‘electrical flashes’ that come in groups of two but mostly three. They are accompanied with a "sssshhhttt" sound in my ears, an explosive fragmenting of vision ‘behind my eyes’, a metallic taste in my mouth and a total body twitch. They build up very quickly and I have the sensation that my head is about to explode in tremendous pain. But, because of the extreme rapidity, this ‘pain’ can be tolerated. Those are the ‘lightning storms in the nervous system.’ Sometimes these flashes spread throughout my body in a nervous chain reaction. Mostly down my left side. They cause me to twitch like the reflex test on knees. If they are strong enough, I lose my balance or drop things. I get about 50 of these a day now. For me, they continued at that level for months following discontinuing the medication. I still get around the same amount but they are far slighter in sensation, like weaker, sort of. The main continuous side effect can be described as the feelings you get after an ‘adrenalin rush’. An uncontrollable, internal shaking (vibrating) and an ‘on edge’ feeling. Also moments of ’spaced out’ feelings. A physical disconnection from reality. I notice this the most when driving. Almost hallucinatory. When I realize this happening, I have to consciously force myself back. I got that while on the drug too but after discontinuing that stuff all stopped. However, I still get the out-of-phase effect where it feels like some sort of body sense is coming in behind the actual movements of the body, no way to describe it really. I suspect it may be related to what gave the spaced-out and dissociative senses while on the drug. From previous experience, this will take about 3 months to subside to once or twice daily. I’m never going to take that stuff or anything like it ever again in my life. When I first started getting and reporting the weird side effects, only days after starting the drug at 37.5mg, the ‘expert’ psychiatrist prescribing the shit told me that was normal and that it would go away once I stabilized at a therapeutic level. I listened to the jerk even after the side effects worsened, all the way to 300mg and me being almost unable to function from the goddamn side effects, so then I decided enough was enough, took me months to get down, lowering the dose made the side effects worse. Now I still have some over two years later.
Sounds a lot like LSD flashbacks (knowledge from my hippy days in the 60’s) -Fred-
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day. Man, are you all right? Some people cando that, others can’t. What if the degree of side effects is related to a degree of permanent damage? I had fewer side effects by going down slower, 1/4 pill, ~ 10mg, 9.375 or so. I’m experiencing ‘electrical flashes’ that come in groups of two but mostly three. They are accompanied with a "sssshhhttt" sound in my ears, an explosive fragmenting of vision ‘behind my eyes’, a metallic taste in my mouth and a total body twitch. They build up very quickly and I have the sensation that my head is about to explode in tremendous pain. But, because of the extreme rapidity, this ‘pain’ can be tolerated. Those are the ‘lightning storms in the nervous system.’ Sometimes these flashes spread throughout my body in a nervous chain reaction. Mostly down my left side. They cause me to twitch like the reflex test on knees. If they are strong enough, I lose my balance or drop things. I get about 50 of these a day now. For me, they continued at that level for months following discontinuing the medication. I still get around the same amount but they are far slighter in sensation, like weaker, sort of. The main continuous side effect can be described as the feelings you get after an ‘adrenalin rush’. An uncontrollable, internal shaking (vibrating) and an ‘on edge’ feeling. Also moments of ’spaced out’ feelings. A physical disconnection from reality. I notice this the most when driving. Almost hallucinatory. When I realize this happening, I have to consciously force myself back. I got that while on the drug too but after discontinuing that stuff all stopped. However, I still get the out-of-phase effect where it feels like some sort of body sense is coming in behind the actual movements of the body, no way to describe it really. I suspect it may be related to what gave the spaced-out and dissociative senses while on the drug. From previous experience, this will take about 3 months to subside to once or twice daily. I’m never going to take that stuff or anything like it ever again in my life. When I first started getting and reporting the weird side effects, only days after starting the drug at 37.5mg, the ‘expert’ psychiatrist prescribing the shit told me that was normal and that it would go away once I stabilized at a therapeutic level. I listened to the jerk even after the side effects worsened, all the way to 300mg and me being almost unable to function from the goddamn side effects, so then I decided enough was enough, took me months to get down, lowering the dose made the side effects worse. Now I still have some over two years later. Sounds a lot like LSD flashbacks (knowledge from my hippy days in the 60’s) -Fred-
Funny ou should say that because I heard somewhere that this stuff is derived from hallucinagenic drugs.
[...] I also have lingering side effects from Effexor. The ones I have involve the strange internal sensations that some people report while on Effexor: so-called ‘brain shivers,’ the lightning-storm-along-the-nervous-system shock sensations and being out-of-phase with body movement. There is also some synesthesia triggered by hearing which causes physical sensations and odd visual phenomena. All of these effects began with Effexor, intensified while changing the dose, up or down, and have been persistent for over two years since taking the medication. Sometimes I am really pissed-off about it. I wonder about lawsuits.
What you are describing is very familiar to me. I’ve experienced these strange "electric shock" symptoms whenever _withdrawing_ from a trial of a serotonergic antidepressant (i.e. most recently Effexor, previously the SSRI’s Luvox and Prozac, and long before that the MAOI’s Parnate and Nardil). Effexor is the worst for producing this due to the fact of its very short half-life compared to other serotonergic antidepressants (i.e. its blood levels fall off rather quickly following the last dose, resulting in withdrawal symptoms even when taking it regularly as prescribed). Have you tried Effexor-XR (i.e. Effexor in extended release form)? Though I haven’t tried it myself, I’ve read good reports on the net from people who switched to it from the immediate release form because of side effects (such as this one). [BTW: My current regimen includes immediate release Effexor (~65 mg/day) plus Luvox (175 mg/day).] Sodah
snipped I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day. Why have you stopped the Effexor cold turkey?
Prescription ran out. If your doctor has suggested this, or it’s your own idea, then you are following the advise of a mediocally incompetant idiot! Please seek competent medical avise asap.
I’ve kinda given up on the medical profession. I’ll just weather this out. So far so good. I am not working at the moment so I don’t have to be physically and mentally functioning. Sleep works OK. If it’s your own idea, then you need to re-think this. Apart from the psychological damage this may be causing, there is a risk of physical complications.
Possibly. But right now, all I want is not to have any meds in me. Ian
BTW, I DO NOT recommend doing what I am doing to anyone else.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. When on the med I had lost libido and my penis was numb as if someone had given it a shot of novacaine. I could achieve orgasm only after extreme effort and with no good feeling along the way. That’s why I discontinued the med. After two years, I haven’t regained the sensitivity (my penis doesn’t feel totally numb, but it is no more sensitive than let’s say my leg and not in a sexual way at all) and I can only achieve orgasm after much effort, with no good feelinguntil that instant. There is no longer any lustfullness or desire to have sex and no tension or release during. However, I have no problem getting an erection. I received a shot of testosterone from my family doctor which returned everything to normal for several days, but then wore off. My doctor will not give me any more shots because test showed my testosterone level in the normal range, 495 ng/dl, so he thinks it’s in my head which I know it isn’t (even in my darkest depths i could rely on a little sexual activity to make me feeL better). What I would like to ask the group is has anyone had any similar experiences and if so what can be done to help the problem, if anything? I am going to see a urologist on Thursday.
A testosterone level of 495 ng/dL is, indeed, in the normal range, but not exceedingly high. The normal range is 300 to 1000. At a level of 300, the desire for sex will happen for most guys about once every two weeks to a month. At 1000, very other day, or even daily. The effects vary. Some men get more libido out of a lower level than others. Testosterone level also varies as much as 100 ng/dL over the course of the day. It is highest in the morning and lowest in the evening. If the blood for your 495 was drawn in the morning, then it is even closer to the lower limit of normal. As for it wearing off, that is normal. Injected testosterone peaks in 2-3 days, then tapers off straight-line over the following two weeks. At the end of two weeks, it is gone. Guys on shots usually have a shot every two weeks. I self-inject, so I give myself half the dosage, but weekly. This way the shots overlap and I get a more even level. My doc says he prescribes testosterone replacement therapy for any patient who tests below 300, and even for a few above that. My advice is to find a different doc. Part of the problem is that your doc is a "family doctor," not a urologist. Family practitioners frquently don’t feel sexual dysfunction problems are worth treating. Sometimes I wish I could let them see what it is like to lose sexual desire. They’d change their tune fast, I bet. A urologist will take your problems seriously. It may be caused by more than just lack of testosterone. A urologist will know more options and therapies. Get to one right away and get your life back. NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Make the ISP read "spiritone.com" by adding an "e."
snipped I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day.
Why have you stopped the Effexor cold turkey? If your doctor has suggested this, or it’s your own idea, then you are following the advise of a mediocally incompetant idiot! Please seek competent medical avise asap. If it’s your own idea, then you need to re-think this. Apart from the psychological damage this may be causing, there is a risk of physical complications. Ian Phobias: Carnophobia- Fear of meat.
I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day.
Man, are you all right? Some people cando that, others can’t. What if the degree of side effects is related to a degree of permanent damage? I had fewer side effects by going down slower, 1/4 pill, ~ 10mg, 9.375 or so. I’m experiencing ‘electrical flashes’ that come in groups of two but mostly three. They are accompanied with a "sssshhhttt" sound in my ears, an explosive fragmenting of vision ‘behind my eyes’, a metallic taste in my mouth and a total body twitch. They build up very quickly and I have the sensation that my head is about to explode in tremendous pain. But, because of the extreme rapidity, this ‘pain’ can be tolerated.
Those are the ‘lightning storms in the nervous system.’ Sometimes these flashes spread throughout my body in a nervous chain reaction. Mostly down my left side. They cause me to twitch like the reflex test on knees. If they are strong enough, I lose my balance or drop things. I get about 50 of these a day now.
For me, they continued at that level for months following discontinuing the medication. I still get around the same amount but they are far slighter in sensation, like weaker, sort of. The main continuous side effect can be described as the feelings you get after an ‘adrenalin rush’. An uncontrollable, internal shaking (vibrating) and an ‘on edge’ feeling. Also moments of ’spaced out’ feelings. A physical disconnection from reality. I notice this the most when driving. Almost hallucinatory. When I realize this happening, I have to consciously force myself back.
I got that while on the drug too but after discontinuing that stuff all stopped. However, I still get the out-of-phase effect where it feels like some sort of body sense is coming in behind the actual movements of the body, no way to describe it really. I suspect it may be related to what gave the spaced-out and dissociative senses while on the drug. From previous experience, this will take about 3 months to subside to once or twice daily.
I’m never going to take that stuff or anything like it ever again in my life. When I first started getting and reporting the weird side effects, only days after starting the drug at 37.5mg, the ‘expert’ psychiatrist prescribing the shit told me that was normal and that it would go away once I stabilized at a therapeutic level. I listened to the jerk even after the side effects worsened, all the way to 300mg and me being almost unable to function from the goddamn side effects, so then I decided enough was enough, took me months to get down, lowering the dose made the side effects worse. Now I still have some over two years later.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. When on the med I had lost libido and my penis was numb as if someone had given it a shot of novacaine. I could achieve orgasm only after extreme effort and with no good feeling along the way. That’s why I discontinued the med. After two years, I haven’t regained the sensitivity (my penis doesn’t feel totally numb, but it is no more sensitive than let’s say my leg and not in a sexual way at all) and I can only achieve orgasm after much effort, with no good feelinguntil that instant. There is no longer any lustfullness or desire to have sex and no tension or release during. However, I have no problem getting an erection. I received a shot of testosterone from my family doctor which returned everything to normal for several days, but then wore off. My doctor will not give me any more shots because test showed my testosterone level in the normal range, 495 ng/dl, so he thinks it’s in my head which I know it isn’t (even in my darkest depths i could rely on a little sexual activity to make me feeL better). What I would like to ask the group is has anyone had any similar experiences and if so what can be done to help the problem, if anything? I am going to see a urologist on Thursday. Thanks for taking the time out to read this and thanks for any replies.Mike
Hi Mike: Well, here is an oppinion, but I have done alot of research on Effexor before I had been put on it. I had been on, then off it..horrible side effects..then on it as of last month, and will most likely be coming off of it due to a notice in weight gain after longer term use. Out of all the research I did on Medline, I found no studies indicating a "permanent" problem with sexual dysfunction. I had combed through well over hundreds of studies. I had also checked all of the archives of dejanews, and never came across this effect. Your best bet, as you said, would be to see a urologist. I know it took me some time to get my sexual "urge" back after I went off it the first time, and even much of that was "physical". You are right..sex and even the "urge" are wonderful things..and you have every right to get it back. Odds are, with some help, you will get back to "normal" no problem at all. Best of luck… James — Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. —Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, D.C. Neurosis is simply THE human condition; some just haven’t realized it yet. Anon
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. I also have lingering side effects from Effexor. The ones I have involve the strange internal sensations that some people report while on Effexor: so-called ‘brain shivers,’ the lightning-storm-along-the-nervous-system shock sensations and being out-of-phase with body movement. There is also some synesthesia triggered by hearing which causes physical sensations and odd visual phenomena. All of these effects began with Effexor, intensified while changing the dose, up or down, and have been persistent for over two years since taking the medication. Sometimes I am really pissed-off about it. I wonder about lawsuits.
I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day. I’m experiencing ‘electrical flashes’ that come in groups of two but mostly three. They are accompanied with a "sssshhhttt" sound in my ears, an explosive fragmenting of vision ‘behind my eyes’, a metallic taste in my mouth and a total body twitch. They build up very quickly and I have the sensation that my head is about to explode in tremendous pain. But, because of the extreme rapidity, this ‘pain’ can be tolerated. Sometimes these flashes spread throughout my body in a nervous chain reaction. Mostly down my left side. They cause me to twitch like the reflex test on knees. If they are strong enough, I lose my balance or drop things. I get about 50 of these a day now. The main continuous side effect can be described as the feelings you get after an ‘adrenalin rush’. An uncontrollable, internal shaking (vibrating) and an ‘on edge’ feeling. Also moments of ’spaced out’ feelings. A physical disconnection from reality. I notice this the most when driving. Almost hallucinatory. When I realize this happening, I have to consciously force myself back. From previous experience, this will take about 3 months to subside to once or twice daily.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. I also have lingering side effects from Effexor. The ones I have involve the strange internal sensations that some people report while on Effexor: so-called ‘brain shivers,’ the lightning-storm-along-the-nervous-system shock sensations and being out-of-phase with body movement. There is also some synesthesia triggered by hearing which causes physical sensations and odd visual phenomena. All of these effects began with Effexor, intensified while changing the dose, up or down, and have been persistent for over two years since taking the medication. Sometimes I am really pissed-off about it. I wonder about lawsuits. I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day. I’m experiencing ‘electrical flashes’ that come in groups of two but mostly three. They are accompanied with a "sssshhhttt" sound in my ears, an explosive fragmenting of vision ‘behind my eyes’, a metallic taste in my mouth and a total body twitch. They build up very quickly and I have the sensation that my head is about to explode in tremendous pain. But, because of the extreme rapidity, this ‘pain’ can be tolerated. Sometimes these flashes spread throughout my body in a nervous chain reaction. Mostly down my left side. They cause me to twitch like the reflex test on knees. If they are strong enough, I lose my balance or drop things. I get about 50 of these a day now. The main continuous side effect can be described as the feelings you get after an ‘adrenalin rush’. An uncontrollable, internal shaking (vibrating) and an ‘on edge’ feeling. Also moments of ’spaced out’ feelings. A physical disconnection from reality. I notice this the most when driving. Almost hallucinatory. When I realize this happening, I have to consciously force myself back. From previous experience, this will take about 3 months to subside to once or twice daily. This Effexor sounds like some pretty mean stuff! It also sounds like you shouldn’t be driving with side effects like those you describe. Have you talked to your doctor about this? -Fred-
I’ve only driven a few times in the last three months and not far. Best way to describe the feeling is I’m like a passenger and the driver is gradually crossing the line without seeming aware. After a time, I realize he isn’t going to turn so I have to reach over and turn the wheel for him. Yes, I’m staying off the roads right now. hehe I’ve given up on the pdoc/doc thing. Just obtained the repeats for the meds in the last 2 months. None left now. I’m thinking of going it alone like I have most of my life. Long, involved story here and I don’t really want to get into it on the ng. The effexor was effective in lifting me off the 2 lowest steps of a 10 step ‘depression’ continuum. But it left me stranded on the 8 th. for 6 months. Right now I have the emotions of a rutabaga. Very flat. (Still kept my humour though. It’ll stay with me to the end… even if it is gallows humour… hehehe) I’m sleeping about 16 – 18 hours a day in 2 to 4 hour segments now to get over the worst of the effects.
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This is extremely dangerous from what I know. My pdoc told me that Effexor has the strongest withdrawal symptoms on the market! You should ALWAYS wean yourself down slowly. To go from 300mg to nothing cold-turkey is very dangerous! I was taking 450mg/day and my pdoc had me reduce my dosage very slowly….decreasing by 75mg every 3 or 4 days. PLEASE be careful and check with your doctor…I can’t believe that he or she would have told you to quit cold turkey! K "x-no-archive: yes" followed by a blank line: tells some newsgroup archiving websites like DejaNews to not archive posts. This statement at the top of the post helps to protect people’s privacy.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. I also have lingering side effects from Effexor. The ones I have involve the strange internal sensations that some people report while on Effexor: so-called ‘brain shivers,’ the lightning-storm-along-the-nervous-system shock sensations and being out-of-phase with body movement. There is also some synesthesia triggered by hearing which causes physical sensations and odd visual phenomena. All of these effects began with Effexor, intensified while changing the dose, up or down, and have been persistent for over two years since taking the medication. Sometimes I am really pissed-off about it. I wonder about lawsuits. I’m in my third day of effexor withdrawal, cold-turkey from 300mg/day. I’m experiencing ‘electrical flashes’ that come in groups of two but mostly three. They are accompanied with a "sssshhhttt" sound in my ears, an explosive fragmenting of vision ‘behind my eyes’, a metallic taste in my mouth and a total body twitch. They build up very quickly and I have the sensation that my head is about to explode in tremendous pain. But, because of the extreme rapidity, this ‘pain’ can be tolerated. Sometimes these flashes spread throughout my body in a nervous chain reaction. Mostly down my left side. They cause me to twitch like the reflex test on knees. If they are strong enough, I lose my balance or drop things. I get about 50 of these a day now. The main continuous side effect can be described as the feelings you get after an ‘adrenalin rush’. An uncontrollable, internal shaking (vibrating) and an ‘on edge’ feeling. Also moments of ’spaced out’ feelings. A physical disconnection from reality. I notice this the most when driving. Almost hallucinatory. When I realize this happening, I have to consciously force myself back. From previous experience, this will take about 3 months to subside to once or twice daily.
This Effexor sounds like some pretty mean stuff! It also sounds like you shouldn’t be driving with side effects like those you describe. Have you talked to your doctor about this? -Fred-
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. When on the med I had lost libido and my penis was numb as if someone had given it a shot of novacaine. I could achieve orgasm only after extreme effort and with no good feeling along the way. That’s why I discontinued the med. After two years, I haven’t regained the sensitivity (my penis doesn’t feel totally numb, but it is no more sensitive than let’s say my leg and not in a sexual way at all) and I can only achieve orgasm after much effort, with no good feelinguntil that instant. There is no longer any lustfullness or desire to have sex and no tension or release during. However, I have no problem getting an erection. I received a shot of testosterone from my family doctor which returned everything to normal for several days, but then wore off. My doctor will not give me any more shots because test showed my testosterone level in the normal range, 495 ng/dl, so he thinks it’s in my head
When a doctor says "it’s in your head", that’s your cue to say, "*You* are just bullshitting me with that crap because you don’t know what my problem is or how to solve it, but still want to collect a fat consultation fee for not doing anything. Fuck off, and have a rotten day." Find another doc. which I know it isn’t (even in my darkest depths i could rely on a little sexual activity to make me feeL better). What I would like to ask the group is has anyone had any similar experiences and if so what can be done to help the problem, if anything? I am going to see a urologist on Thursday. Thanks for taking the time out to read this and thanks for any replies.Mike
innate need of most humans to have an Alpha leader tell them what to do. They like the idea of creating one via an "election". It’s a vicarious, Frankenstein-esque dependancy enablement syndrome. — Bill Kasper =====
P.S. I let another pdoc to prescribe it anyway and lasted 2 weeks with the effects. Yuck. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson.
I had a pdoc say he did not want to put me on it because studies are showing "permanent" rises in blood pressure. I do not have high blood pressure now. I hope that is not "permanent" condition with you. major bummer. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson.
Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect.
I also have lingering side effects from Effexor. The ones I have involve the strange internal sensations that some people report while on Effexor: so-called ‘brain shivers,’ the lightning-storm-along-the-nervous-system shock sensations and being out-of-phase with body movement. There is also some synesthesia triggered by hearing which causes physical sensations and odd visual phenomena. All of these effects began with Effexor, intensified while changing the dose, up or down, and have been persistent for over two years since taking the medication. Sometimes I am really pissed-off about it. I wonder about lawsuits.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. When on the med I had lost libido and my penis was numb as if someone had given it a shot of novacaine. I could achieve orgasm only after extreme effort and with no good feeling along the way. That’s why I discontinued the med. After two years, I haven’t regained the sensitivity (my penis doesn’t feel totally numb, but it is no more sensitive than let’s say my leg and not in a sexual way at all) and I can only achieve orgasm after much effort, with no good feelinguntil that instant. There is no longer any lustfullness or desire to have sex and no tension or release during. However, I have no problem getting an erection. I received a shot of testosterone from my family doctor which returned everything to normal for several days, but then wore off. My doctor will not give me any more shots because test showed my testosterone level in the normal range, 495 ng/dl, so he thinks it’s in my head which I know it isn’t (even in my darkest depths i could rely on a little sexual activity to make me feeL better). What I would like to ask the group is has anyone had any similar experiences and if so what can be done to help the problem, if anything? I am going to see a urologist on Thursday. Thanks for taking the time out to read this and thanks for any replies.Mike
Dear Mike, I’m sorry to hear about this. That is – literally – no fun at all. I haven’t heard this before about Effexor but I know that with Paxil there is this possibility that side effects like anorgasmia or libido-loss may stay for an indefinite amount of time after the med is stopped. I have nothing to say about this except that I hope it will pass. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Hi, I am a 32 year old male in good physical shape who was on the antidepressant effexor for about a year on a dosage of 75 mg per day. I have been off the medication for about two years now, but I have had to deal with a lingering side effect. When on the med I had lost libido and my penis was numb as if someone had given it a shot of novacaine. I could achieve orgasm only after extreme effort and with no good feeling along the way. That’s why I discontinued the med. After two years, I haven’t regained the sensitivity (my penis doesn’t feel totally numb, but it is no more sensitive than let’s say my leg and not in a sexual way at all) and I can only achieve orgasm after much effort, with no good feelinguntil that instant. There is no longer any lustfullness or desire to have sex and no tension or release during. However, I have no problem getting an erection. I received a shot of testosterone from my family doctor which returned everything to normal for several days, but then wore off. My doctor will not give me any more shots because test showed my testosterone level in the normal range, 495 ng/dl, so he thinks it’s in my head which I know it isn’t (even in my darkest depths i could rely on a little sexual activity to make me feeL better). What I would like to ask the group is has anyone had any similar experiences and if so what can be done to help the problem, if anything? I am going to see a urologist on Thursday. Thanks for taking the time out to read this and thanks for any replies.Mike
Has anyone found that they shake a little after taking there ventolin inhaler? Janel
Thanks for your replys. Acctually, I have had asthma since I was two, and now I am 14, but I still get the shakes after using it for 9 years. It just recently though that my heart has started to race once in a while. I find it just annoying, but it scares me too. Anyways, keep on smiling! Janel
Has anyone found that they shake a little after taking there ventolin inhaler? Janel
yup, there’s been a discussion going on recently about it….I get the shakes with Proventil, which is also albuterol like Ventolin
Has anyone found that they shake a little after taking there ventolin inhaler? Janel
Yes, when I first started taking it 8-9 Years ago. Your system becomes accustomed to it. Though I do find that if I need to take albuterol nebs that still makes me very shaky. I wouldn’t be too concerned unless your heart really starts to race. Then I’d ask the dr. Helen
I always experience an accelerated hearbeat and feel a little shaky after using my inhaler. This is normal and you will get used to this side affect.
Hi Jane, You do indeed shake a bit after taking Ventoline or Bricanyl or anyone of the medecines that contains the same particles. You can also become tired and lightheaded, this is all part of the deal! Brit – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone found that they shake a little after taking there ventolin inhaler? Janel
Yes–all the time! And, I have a racing heart
I have the same thing with the shaking…I went to a neurologist and she said it was called a "benign hand tremor" or "essential tremor" anyway, it does have something to do with diabetes. I had another doctor say it was a type of nerve damage in my hands…there are medicines for it! Good luck!
Hi, I was wondering if shaking really bad has anything to do with diabetes? I have been shaking really bad for the last three days. It has been hard to type without redoing it because my hands are always shaking. It is like a person who is really nervous would shake all over. I check my BG but it is usually really good around 120 sometimes just a little higher. Does anyone else do this? Thanks for any input. Diana — People Ask Me Why I Love God? Because He First Loved Me
Diana, Any new symptom that interferes with your life should be discussed with your doctor. It could be something simple, like fatigue, stress, too much coffee. It could be your glucose levels dropped very quickly. It could also be drug-induced. Are you taking any new meds for your MPS? I met a woman a few months who had a very strong tremor in her hands from an anti-depressant. Shaking can also be a symptom of any number of other things that can be identified or ruled out by your physician. Have it checked – much better than to keep guessing and worrying. Yes, I’ve had that happen. Back in the old days, before I was diabetic, I went through the shakes almost every day, because I was so busy taking care of the babies, I forgot to feed me!! Now, it’s the CFIDS telling me I way overdid. I wish it would tell me before it was too late!!! Take care of yourself. We care.. melodymom AKA Denise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I was wondering if shaking really bad has anything to do with diabetes? I have been shaking really bad for the last three days. It has been hard to type without redoing it because my hands are always shaking. It is like a person who is really nervous would shake all over. I check my BG but it is usually really good around 120 sometimes just a little higher. Does anyone else do this? Thanks for any input. Diana — People Ask Me Why I Love God? Because He First Loved Me
Diana I dont know if you are continually shaking or perhaps you are not eating your meals at the right times. Whatever, three days of shaking should be told to your doctor and let him tell you what it is. Do you feel nervous about anything. Call your doctor because no matter what anyone says here, we cannot diagose what is wrong and even if we have shakes, which in the rare instancesI I dont eat,I can get the shakes, it does not mean you have the same condition. Please call the doctor. Loretta
p.s. I hope you are better at taking my excellent advice than I am. Also, I love your signature thingy. Hugs, me melodymom wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Diana, Any new symptom that interferes with your life should be discussed with your doctor. It could be something simple, like fatigue, stress, too melodymom AKA Denise People Ask Me Why I Love God? Because He First Loved Me
Hi Rene Tiger Lily was telling me it could be my antidepressant that I was put on a month ago. I didn’t start shaking until recently and it is annoying because I feel like I am going to shake out of my body. I am on Zoloft for depression and it may not be the right one for me. I am going to let my doctor know. Caffeine has never been a problem for me so I don’t think it would be that. I don’t drink coffee except on rare occasions. The shaking does wake me up too. I too have the awful nausea that is so overwhelming I can hardly stand it. I can’t even take my meds when I first need to because I know they wouldn’t stay put. I didn’t start that until right before my diagnosis. My doctor has been told of the severe nausea but she doesn’t address it. I wish she would though because it double me over every day. I do it first thing in the morning and again later in the day. If you are on an antidepressant I would ask the doctor if maybe you need a different one. My BGs have been good except the past few days I have been depressed more than usual and that is when I eat the most. But I have to stop this stuff. I can’t go on abusing my health like this. I am a mood eater and it is so hard when I am mad or depressed not to eat. I don’t eat out of boredom or anything so it isn’t that either. If you too find out finally about the shaking let me know too OK? Thanks Diana — People Ask Me Why I Love God? Because He First Loved Me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Diana, I am a 32 yr old type 1 for 10yr diabetic. I started having problems at the beginning of this year with a nauseated stomach. I got real worried and have had trouble getting better. I notice that I experience a nervous shaking sort of like when you have way too much caffine. It seems to get me even with normal blood sugars. I wake up alot at about 5 in the morning and feel this way and have a hard time getting to sleep. If you figure out what is wrong please let me know. My doctor is still trying to figure out what is wrong. your not alone Rene Garza p.s. : please respond Hi, I was wondering if shaking really bad has anything to do with diabetes? I have been shaking really bad for the last three days. It has been hard to type without redoing it because my hands are always shaking. It is like a person who is really nervous would shake all over. I check my BG but it is usually really good around 120 sometimes just a little higher. Does anyone else do this? Thanks for any input. Diana — People Ask Me Why I Love God? Because He First Loved Me
Hi, I was wondering if shaking really bad has anything to do with diabetes?
For me, when my bgs are TOO low I feel shakey, but I can’t see shakey unless I’m under about 85. I don’t remember how your bgs were running last month but maybe you’ve come down so much your body is adjusting. Caffeine can make you shaky if you’re taking asperin or something like that. Is it all over or just in your hands? If it wasn’t Saturday night, I’d suggest its worth a call to your doctors office. I’m not sure its an emergency. Does your doctor or hospital have a 24 hour nurse on duty for these type of questions? Carol I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – have been shaking really bad for the last three days. It has been hard to type without redoing it because my hands are always shaking. It is like a person who is really nervous would shake all over. I check my BG but it is usually really good around 120 sometimes just a little higher. Does anyone else do this? Thanks for any input. Diana — People Ask Me Why I Love God? Because He First Loved Me
I’m on Pentasa and Imuran and taking Propanolol for the shaking. It’s generally gotten worse over the years and so has slurred speach and just in general problems that are similar. I’ve seen a neurologist and they have no clue. I’m seeing a new doctor as I’ve moved and think he may turn something up. My blood pressure is fine but sugar intake may be an idea of something to look into. I am a sugar junky though. I tend to have to eat something in the morning or vomit (bile I think, its yellow, tastes horrible). Really thats all thats wrong as I have been in fairly good health other than fatigue (thank god for red bull). Thanks for the ideas everyone! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get the same way. Not to often but one time I passed out. Man that was the worse headache I have ever had. When I worked I would carry peanut butter crackers in the car for the ride home. I worked 50 miles from home, and I would eat the crackers in traffic, and I would be alright. If I forgot, I would get the shakes so bad I would puke out my car door at times. It is not fun when your body is not happy with you. It’s hypoglycemia. I used to pass out, too, until I changed my eating habits. Cut down on the sweets and alcohol, especially on an empty stomach. Eat protein and healthy fats instead. If you must eat sweets make sure there is some fat in the mix, it slows down the blood sugar rise and then the falloff afterwards. It’s the falloff afterwards that makes you pass out. I had to give up alcohol altogether.
Well soon the 16 a day Pentasa go away! Yeah! LOL so hopeful that will cut my count down some. Right now I am not taking a few of them, with my drs knowledge, until we get to the bottom of this. He doesn’t want to stop the Pentasa until after we do the last of the tests an decide what meds is the best for me at this time. The Pentasa isn’t stopping the bleeding and so forth but it could be helping the bleeding not get to excessive for such a short time I need to be on it. So, can’t see where this will hurt. I just want to get on to the plan already! I did catch the bleeding early which is good. He now really believes I know my body and what is norm and abnormal most of the time. But he is just being real cautious and I like this part of it. This way he will know exactly where the problem is and what would be best to start me with to try to get control of everything. UM MOM Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, ok, i give up….lol. you eat meds for meals…i am close, between meds and vitamins, i am usually too full to eat breakfast in the mornings….lol. jeffy I take more than you Jeff. I call walking the tic tac syndrome! UM MOM Susan no, that is why i rattle when i walk. jeff With that many meds is there any room for the blood???;-)))) Tony i am 10 meds, plus remicade, plus allergy shots. the tacrolimus is doing it, is a known side effect of tacro. jeffy some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years. I get the shakes but put it down to high doses of pred. Should not bother you after 3 years. What other meds u on? Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 10/03/2003 — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
ok, ok, i give up….lol. you eat meds for meals…i am close, between meds and vitamins, i am usually too full to eat breakfast in the mornings….lol. jeffy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take more than you Jeff. I call walking the tic tac syndrome! UM MOM Susan no, that is why i rattle when i walk. jeff With that many meds is there any room for the blood???;-)))) Tony i am 10 meds, plus remicade, plus allergy shots. the tacrolimus is doing it, is a known side effect of tacro. jeffy some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years. I get the shakes but put it down to high doses of pred. Should not bother you after 3 years. What other meds u on? Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
I take more than you Jeff. I call walking the tic tac syndrome! UM MOM Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – no, that is why i rattle when i walk. jeff With that many meds is there any room for the blood???;-)))) Tony i am 10 meds, plus remicade, plus allergy shots. the tacrolimus is doing it, is a known side effect of tacro. jeffy some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years. I get the shakes but put it down to high doses of pred. Should not bother you after 3 years. What other meds u on? Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
no, that is why i rattle when i walk. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With that many meds is there any room for the blood???;-)))) Tony i am 10 meds, plus remicade, plus allergy shots. the tacrolimus is doing it, is a known side effect of tacro. jeffy some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years. I get the shakes but put it down to high doses of pred. Should not bother you after 3 years. What other meds u on? Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
With that many meds is there any room for the blood???;-)))) Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am 10 meds, plus remicade, plus allergy shots. the tacrolimus is doing it, is a known side effect of tacro. jeffy some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years. I get the shakes but put it down to high doses of pred. Should not bother you after 3 years. What other meds u on? Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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This is interesting. I have CD. I also have low blood sugar and low blood pressure. I don’t know how they fit togather, if indeed they do. If I don’t eat properly I get lightheaded and then get the shakes soon after. I usually have a chocolate bar within reach, just in case.
I had low blood pressure too, until the pred did its thing… Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
I get the same way. Not to often but one time I passed out. Man that was the worse headache I have ever had. When I worked I would carry peanut butter crackers in the car for the ride home. I worked 50 miles from home, and I would eat the crackers in traffic, and I would be alright. If I forgot, I would get the shakes so bad I would puke out my car door at times. It is not fun when your body is not happy with you.
It’s hypoglycemia. I used to pass out, too, until I changed my eating habits. Cut down on the sweets and alcohol, especially on an empty stomach. Eat protein and healthy fats instead. If you must eat sweets make sure there is some fat in the mix, it slows down the blood sugar rise and then the falloff afterwards. It’s the falloff afterwards that makes you pass out. I had to give up alcohol altogether. — Clark Zahn Registered linux user 267087
This is interesting. I have CD. I also have low blood sugar and low blood pressure. I don’t know how they fit togather, if indeed they do. If I don’t eat properly I get lightheaded and then get the shakes soon after. I usually have a chocolate bar within reach, just in case.
I get the same way. Not to often but one time I passed out. Man that was the worse headache I have ever had. When I worked I would carry peanut butter crackers in the car for the ride home. I worked 50 miles from home, and I would eat the crackers in traffic, and I would be alright. If I forgot, I would get the shakes so bad I would puke out my car door at times. It is not fun when your body is not happy with you. Allison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – now that you mention it, I used to shake badly & when I ate the shakes went away. Ended up I used to carry some sweets around with me all the time & if I started shaking I ate some until I could have a meal. Tony I was having the shakes when I got run down. I started to use sugar as a pick me up. I became hypo-glosumic. I don’t think I spelled that right. The shaking had to do with my sugar levels. I now eat 4 to 5 meals a day and this shaking I was experiencing has gone away. Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
now that you mention it, I used to shake badly & when I ate the shakes went away. Ended up I used to carry some sweets around with me all the time & if I started shaking I ate some until I could have a meal. Tony
I was having the shakes when I got run down. I started to use sugar as a pick me up. I became hypo-glosumic. I don’t think I spelled that right. The shaking had to do with my sugar levels. I now eat 4 to 5 meals a day and this shaking I was experiencing has gone away. Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years.
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i am 10 meds, plus remicade, plus allergy shots. the tacrolimus is doing it, is a known side effect of tacro. jeffy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years. I get the shakes but put it down to high doses of pred. Should not bother you after 3 years. What other meds u on? Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
I was having the shakes when I got run down. I started to use sugar as a pick me up. I became hypo-glosumic. I don’t think I spelled that right. The shaking had to do with my sugar levels. I now eat 4 to 5 meals a day and this shaking I was experiencing has gone away.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years.
my hands sometimes shake a tiny little bit. I think it could be related to blood pressure maybe. Sarah
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I can get shakes fairly good aswell. i mainly get it with pain but the odd time i just get shaky. i don’t know why.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years.
some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years.
I get the shakes but put it down to high doses of pred. Should not bother you after 3 years. What other meds u on? Tony — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. So check it anyway!! No attachments unless advised in body of email. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
You need to see a neurologist. Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years.
some immunomodulators cause this, i know i have a little, but i doubt that is your issue. tacrolimus causes shakes as well as cyclosplorine. jeffy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years.
Another question, I have over the years been suffering from shaking and tremors (like Parkisons) and my doctors are unsure if this is related to the crohns/colitis or anotehr problem. Anyone else have this issue. Its been getting worse over time and I have been prednisone free for well over 3 years.
hello all….I have receantly been diagnosed with PD… this is a scary thing!!!!!!! I have been reading this NG for a week or so and seem to relate to many of you. I am studing up on this PD thing and "trying to stay vertical" I am on Zoloft and Xanax as needed. Just saying "Hello I have a problem" is enough to flip me out! Be gentle with me K? J
No problem J. Welcome to ASAP. Most of us are here because we have the same problem you do. It’s really difficult inthe beginning,but it does get better. Curious, do you have depression to? If not, why the Zoloft? Xanax works great for panic without any additional meds. And, with lots less )or no) side effects. Just something you might want to talk to your doc about. Your best bet is to talk topeople who are positive and supportive here. Ignore the flames and trolls. They come and go. Don’t let them get to you. Get the weekly FAQ and also visit lots of the great web sites that are out there. Like Arthur Anderon’s website! It’s one of the best. Educating yourself about this disorder is one of the best things you can do! Feel free to e-mail me if you’d like. Regards, Jen
hello all….I have receantly been diagnosed with PD… this is a scary thing!!!!!!! I have been reading this NG for a week or so and seem to relate to many of you. I am studing up on this PD thing and "trying to stay vertical" I am on Zoloft and Xanax as needed. Just saying "Hello I have a problem" is enough to flip me out! Be gentle with me K? J
HI J!!! Sorry to hear you have become "One of us", but glad you found this NG all the same! Jen really said it best as far as educating yourself about panic/anxiety… The best thing you could do, at least for me anyway, is to read as much as you can. I found what was the scariest of all was the not knowing, the lack of understanding as to what was exactly a panic attack meant, what the terms were, etc. Once I understood what was taking place during an attack, I was able to then try and find ways to cope with them. Of course, I am still searching for ways, but…. I am on the Zoloft also… How are you doing with that? I bet at times you may feel a little lost…Dont get down! You will survive! Oh, and for what its worth.. Know the best thing about panic sufferers? They are probably the most understanding, caring, compassionate folk you will ever come across… What you were seeing, like Jen said, is the trouble makers…. Wishing you the best!! — Miriam (These opinions are mine and mine alone… YMMV) Energizer bunny arrested, charged with battery. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello all….I have receantly been diagnosed with PD… this is a scary thing!!!!!!! I have been reading this NG for a week or so and seem to relate to many of you. I am studing up on this PD thing and "trying to stay vertical" I am on Zoloft and Xanax as needed. Just saying "Hello I have a problem" is enough to flip me out! Be gentle with me K? J
hello all….I have receantly been diagnosed with PD… this is a scary thing!!!!!!! I have been reading this NG for a week or so and seem to relate to many of you. I am studing up on this PD thing and "trying to stay vertical" I am on Zoloft and Xanax as needed. Just saying "Hello I have a problem" is enough to flip me out! Be gentle with me K?
Hi, J – welcome to ASAP Glad to hear that you’re getting proper treatment and I hope you find this NG the valuable resource that so many of us have. — Gary Cooper
JSmittie schreef: hello all….I have receantly been diagnosed with PD… this is a scary thing!!!!!!! I have been reading this NG for a week or so and seem to relate to many of you. I am studing up on this PD thing and "trying to stay vertical" I am on Zoloft and Xanax as needed. Just saying "Hello I have a problem" is enough to flip me out! Be gentle with me K? J
Hi J! Don’t worry. You’ll find much knowledge and support here. It’s a shame that new people should have to worry about posting here these days. The only reason why anybody will not be gentle with someone else here is when this someone else is consciously posting desinformation or writing insulting posts just to disrupt the newsgroup. These people are called *trolls* in Internet lingo and they’re to be found in every newsgroup on Usenet. Don’t worry about them. How long have you been on Zoloft? Does it work for you? It’s often a good idea to take a benzo like Xanax in at least the initial stages of a AD like Zoloft, to let your body adjust itself to it. Hope that you will post more often! Philip
Hi there! I’ve only been here a little over 2 months, but some of the folks have been here literally for years. So, there’s quite a lot of accumulated wisdom that has been of great help to me. I’m glad to have you here, "fellow newbie". Just ignore the flame threads, delete the whole thread if it bothers you. You’ll do fine. E. Brent Price
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Hi J, I think the more you find out about PD the less you will be afraid…now you have a name for what you have been feeling, when I was diagnosed this summer and had the "names" spelled out for me, I felt a little "nuts", but now I DON’T feel that way. This isn’t some "head thing". For me trying to cope with it on my own was barely tolerable and now I am on the way to developing more appropriate methods of dealing with it. Keep reading and coming to this ng, there’s a lot of good info and support to be found here. Michelle says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hello all….I have receantly been diagnosed with PD… this is a scary thing!!!!!!! I have been reading this NG for a week or so and seem to relate to many of you. I am studing up on this PD thing and "trying to stay vertical" I am on Zoloft and Xanax as needed. Just saying "Hello I have a problem" is enough to flip me out! Be gentle with me K? J