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                        Stokes                         P.O. Box 548                         Buffalo, NY  14240-0548                         Tel (716) 695-6980

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Sounds good!  Can someone give me a phone or fax number or address so I can request a catalog? I absolutely agree about Stokes.  The catalog is so good it is like a reference book.  The variety is unbeatable, and quality is excellent.  Is their new catalog out yet??

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My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition.

I was put on Biaxin-Prisolic and Pepto Bismal for a thirty day treatment to cure my H-Pylori and reduce my acid reflux with success. I was and am still on 800mg daily of Tagamet daily which so far has kept me under control.

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Can I ask a sort of follow up question? I have asthma and reflux problems treated by prilosec. The question I have is "What is the long term effects of taking prilosec for a long time ( at least a year with no end in sight)?"

When Prilosec first came out there was a concern that long term administration may lead to B12 deficiency and possibly gastric cancer. Fortunately, after 20 or so years of use this seems to not be the case. It appears to be safe for long term use. — CBI, MD

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My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition. I was put on Biaxin-Prisolic and Pepto Bismal for a thirty day treatment to cure my H-Pylori and reduce my acid reflux with success. I was and am still on 800mg daily of Tagamet daily which so far has kept me under control.

Treating H. pylori in duodenal and many peptic ulcers seems to be beneficial. It is questionable whether it is worthwhile in gastritis. The current thinking is that treating it makes reflux worse as often as better. The theory is that the chronic inflammation of the stomach may cause lower acid secretion, thus helping the reflux. Unfortunately, it also slightly increases the risk of gastric cancer. I’m glad you got better. I would guess that either the stomach inflammation was causing as much of your symptoms as the GERD, that the acid blockade alone helped the reflux, or that you are one of the lucky ones who’s reflux was actually helped and not worsened by eradicating the H. pylori. — CBI, MD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me  that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured  and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also  add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months No. There is some literature that the pharmacy plans love to quote when telling the docs to try to lower the intensity of acid suppression by switching to the cheaper H2 blockers like Zantac, Tagamet, or Pepcid after 8 weeks on a proton pump inhibitor (Prilosec). I have not heard anyone advocate just stopping the meds altogether. Even the insurers who pay for the meds do not suggest this. My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition. or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now. Yes. Should I get another opinion? You could either try it and go back and say "I told you so" if and when the symptoms worsen or you can get a second opinion. A third option would be to ask if you can just step down to a med like Zantac instead and then stop it if you continue to do well. I would be a little concerned that your new doc seems to be getting his continuing medical education from the drug rep and insurer literature and then getting it wrong at that.

Can I ask a sort of follow up question? I have asthma and reflux problems treated by prilosec. The question I have is "What is the long term effects of taking prilosec for a long time ( at least a year with no end in sight)?" J. Freedman,Jr

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with asthma about a year ago, though I’ve likely had it for several years at least.  After a couple of pretty severe asthma attacks, I was put on Albuterol inhaler and Flovent.  I did pretty well for a few months, but started having increased problems in the past three months with constant wheezing, especially at night, requiring almost daily night-time use of my rescue inhaler. During that time, I was diagnosed via upper endoscopy as having reflux. Apparently I’ve actually had it for a long time because there was a lot of scarring at the junction between the esophagus and stomach.  I was put on Prilosec which did not only help the epigastric pain I’d been having, but seemed to help the shortness of breath I’d been having at night (though it hasn’t made it completely go away either). Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now. Should I get another opinion? Sandra

I’ve been using prilosec for about three years now.  This year my insurance company (a colorful one) informed me that they would only allow me three months of prilosec and a non-sedating antihistamine.  The prilosec worked wonderfully, even a late-night pizza caused no discomfort.  However, my reflux hasn’t been cured.  This last winter, being out of work for four weeks after foot surgery, I discovered that my reflux had disappeared, I even ate a late-night pizza to test it and had no problems.  About four days before going back to work the reflux reappeared!  My conclusion was that it was stress related.  I’m also taking singulair and I believe it has been helpful also.  Although I’ve been getting allergy shots for three years now and feel they have helped as well.  It’s hard to put my finger on the exact cause for the reduction of my asthma.  I’ve weaned myself down to two puffs of serevent at night, the singulair, allergy shots and only rarely a puff or two of albuterol.  I have been trying to wean myself off of the prilosec, taking it only every second or third night.  I notice a bit of reflux but can control that fairly well with only an antacid.

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I was diagnosed with asthma about a year ago, though I’ve likely had it for several years at least.  After a couple of pretty severe asthma attacks, I was put on Albuterol inhaler and Flovent.  I did pretty well for a few months, but started having increased problems in the past three months with constant wheezing, especially at night, requiring almost daily night-time use of my rescue inhaler.   During that time, I was diagnosed via upper endoscopy as having reflux. Apparently I’ve actually had it for a long time because there was a lot of scarring at the junction between the esophagus and stomach.  I was put on Prilosec which did not only help the epigastric pain I’d been having, but seemed to help the shortness of breath I’d been having at night (though it hasn’t made it completely go away either).   Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now. Should I get another opinion? Sandra

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Since we’ve recently moved, I had to get a new PCP.  Yesterday he told me that since I’d been taking Prilosec for three months, my reflux should be cured and there would be no need to continue taking it.  The doctor did, BTW, also add Singular to try to improve the control of my asthma. I’m wondering if it’s typical for others to only have to take Prilosec for three months

No. There is some literature that the pharmacy plans love to quote when telling the docs to try to lower the intensity of acid suppression by switching to the cheaper H2 blockers like Zantac, Tagamet, or Pepcid after 8 weeks on a proton pump inhibitor (Prilosec). I have not heard anyone advocate just stopping the meds altogether. Even the insurers who pay for the meds do not suggest this. My experience is that, despite the oft insurer referenced literature saying that post people can step down to H2 blockers, very few of my patients successfully make the transition. or if stopping it is likely to cause me more problems with asthma than I have now.

Yes. Should I get another opinion?

You could either try it and go back and say "I told you so" if and when the symptoms worsen or you can get a second opinion. A third option would be to ask if you can just step down to a med like Zantac instead and then stop it if you continue to do well. I would be a little concerned that your new doc seems to be getting his continuing medical education from the drug rep and insurer literature and then getting it wrong at that. — CBI, MD

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Thanks for the man-hating comments. I’m sure others appreciate it too.

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You did a great job speaking for all of us. Thanks hon.

yer welcome,  and i’m usually so quiet’n demure… it WAS’ah stretch. xoxoxoxox ~t

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It takes alot to offend US here. Sounds like this is not the group for you friend. And benzos don’t make you high.

My first and last cigarette made me feel high. All benzo’s ever did was ease my anxiety… I WANT my money back ! ! ! They help with anxiety and PANIC attacks.

Not sure if ARPASH (alt.recovery.panic-anxiety.self-help) is still around but as stated in their FAQ "We do not discuss or compare medications". So this may be the group for a_Friend.

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That may prove to be the case, mama. However, I do have some concern about the amount of prescribing and medical information by non-practitioners. I believe it is against the law in most states and provinces to operate as a physican. And I certainly think it is an ethical issue for professionals to be advising others on the appropriate use of medications in an on-line forum. However, "benzos don’t make you high". ROFL. They are one of the most abused substances that phsycians prescribe for that reason. Nice try, no cigar. De Nile is more than just a river in Egypt, Ms. New Oleans.

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Thanks vanessa, Despite any information in the charter for this group, prescribing and advising online may be a legal issue of acting as a doctor. For those who are practitioners, there is an ethical issue of providing medical advice to any patient without appropriate examination and history. Laws vary from one jurisdiction to the next as I recall. I hope the behaviour is addressed.

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Thanks vanessa, Despite any information in the charter for this group, prescribing and advising online may be a legal issue of acting as a doctor. For those who are practitioners, there is an ethical issue of providing medical advice to any patient without appropriate examination and history. Laws vary from one jurisdiction to the next as I recall.

People here merely offer their opinions and share their experiences re medication. In what country/ies are you referring to about the legality of medical advice?

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Thanks vanessa, Despite any information in the charter for this group, prescribing and advising online may be a legal issue of acting as a doctor.

#1, EINSTEIN:  nobody’s prescibing medication and there’s no legalities connected with these rooms… tha best yer gonna do’s tha "exit" door and it’s in that lil box in tha upper left hand corner of this square yer lookin ‘ in.. PUSH IT, QUICK ! For those who are practitioners, there is an ethical issue of providing medical advice to any patient without appropriate examination and history.

#2, MR. MENZA:  WHO does that?  post an example.. and NOT out’ah context.. but just ta make ya right’n give ya grounds ta participate in’ah litigious arena: EVERYONE ::POPPAHCOUPLAHBLUEZ:: IMMEDIATELY, I PRESCRIBE XANAX BLUES OR BARS FOR ALL OF AMERICA !  I AM NOW THA PRESIDENT OF THA WORLD’N THERE’LL BE’AH XANAX IN EVERY POT ! (this is especially attractive for tha stoners of america.) Laws vary from one jurisdiction to the next as I recall.

why you gotta keep on with tha rhetoric… "as i recall" is assumed, we can figger that out.  you just like typin? I hope the behaviour is addressed.

3913 SE 26 Del City, OK  73115 there.. yer dreams came true.. it CAN happen ta you.. (you been wishin’ upon stars?  cuz yer hazin’ muh groove, dude.. GET OFF’AH MUH CLOUD !) hey hey hee hee ! ~tanya

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Oh, Tanya: "#1, EINSTEIN:  nobody’s prescibing medication and there’s no legalities connected with these rooms… tha best yer gonna do’s tha "exit" door and it’s in that lil box in tha upper left hand corner of this square yer lookin ‘ in.. PUSH IT, QUICK !" Of course, there are legal issues. Medical practitioners are governed by the ethics and requirements of their licensing colleges as well as the local laws. I would type more slowly, but I don’t think it would help your comprehension. *winks*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We disagree, Marie. Each post that I have opened entails some dilemma over the ingestion of some chemical. Frankly, I had enough of the chemicals that will ultimately harm my liver, or my kidneys, or some other necessary system for life. The treatments are worse than the ailments in my view. i see they skipped all them vital organs and went due north’n right SKRAIT for yer last vestige of’ah brain cell.  that was mighty generous, in retrospect, doncha think? Now, what I did find interesting was your reply. Interestingly, in merely posing an alternative perspective, you had assumed that I was speaking aobut herbs, or oils, or some other external cure. We are the only species that I know of that has direct and immediate control over our experiential existence. "immediate control"?  ROFLMAOOOOOO !!!! "immediate control".. now THERE’s a concept.  even if control WAS a possibility, i don’t think you’d have it considerin’ tha option/possibility of sumbody dosin’ ya right quick’n makin’ their own experiment… (it’s called "choice", a_fried) and we excersise tha right to that choice… WELCOME TO AMERICA !!! please take yer seat in tha "i try ta look so enFUCKINlightened but just can’t seem to succeed" corner.  happy ta have ya here, yer truly a treasured addition to our country, as ya make us all look like Einstein, by comparison… whad’ah magnanimous gesture ! As to any "failed" attempts, I am curious thoough on what you were expecting ‘them’ to deliver? this ain’t even my question and i can answer that, it’s rocket science, ::lookin’ at tha room topic in case i missed sumthin:: …and another contribution (as aforementioned) to tha world… yer tha poster child for "true humanitarian" !!!!!!! ~ya guessed it !   ~tanya

I gotta admit, I had to look up at the room topic, too…..making sure that I wasn’t missing something here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We disagree, Marie.

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You did a great job speaking for all of us. Thanks hon.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a group, it seems everyone here is pretty dedicated to prescription medication as a source of relief for suffering. Sorry for any offence, but I found the name of this group mislead. alt.support.medsanddocs is more the case. Nothing like a good benzo for a good high…if memory serves. amen.  perhaps you ARE in the wrong forum, as we are all REAL anxiety/panic sufferers. yes… medication is a viable and available alternative to the impact of…… a sudden meteoric rise in heartbeat, off the charts, stroke level blood pressure, KNOWING your heart is beating so hard that you are dying at any moment, the humiliation and embarrassment that goes along with "knowing somehow in your head" that this isn’t real, the inability to treat it as "not real", as it’s not possible… ~~THAT knowledge in itself is overwhelming~~ being unable to indulge the coherent awareness/reality of that which we have no control or power over, trying every possible verbosity to explain to others (those of us that are ‘out of the closet’ with our disorder, as THAT is a feat in itself,) the phenomenon manifested and internalized as extremely visible to the world, knowing we cannot IGNORE what is happening in lieu of our intellectual mind set as the current "reality" supercedes this, especially in a public arena, enduring embarrassment of major proportions, having fear as our closest cohort in life, fear of attacks, fear of …including fear that the possibility of having our next prescription denied exists, our "fear" is always by our side, dependable, ever present, persistent if nothing else. to KNOW the world is staring directly at us with judgment as we die die considering the moment of exiting a door from home, for some, a major accomplishment, after 30 years, having missed out on their kid’s first home run, all home runs, the crowning of their daughter as homecoming queen, graduations, family functions, holidays spent alone, enslaving the whole family to the dictation of needs via this disorder, subjecting your children and husband to a life of ‘excuses for mom’s absence’, and the list goes on, to be aware that our goal of "management" is the only thing that separates us from the world in which we dwell and the one possible, to know we are by far not the only victims of this suffering, our friends and family are just as victimized, the burden of guilt …. guilt as we are inflicting our own discomfort on those that love us, a horrific cross to bear, understanding that understanding is not something they do well, and not a thing we can gift them… we don’t understand it ourselves. we are FAR from stupid  the creativity we employ to "not be noticed" or even "found out" dictates a creativity, an intelligence level not to be ignored, even an awareness level that is not to be reckoned with. go to the "diabetes support" forum and suggest the participants get the HELL off their meds, pills or insulin. go to the "new mothers in crisis support" forum and suggest they take their 3 month premature baby out of the incubator and out of the hands of … as you so eloquently phrased it "medsanddocs" and of course, remove the oxygen, (nothin’ like’ah good dose of oxygen for a good high). YES, medication is a source of relief and suffering.   YOU BET YOUR ASS IT IS!!!!  and when the shit hits the proverbial fan, and YOUR son is suffering from a pain beknownst, the magnitude, the intensity, to him and only him… let’s see where the shit lands then. let’s see what tune you’re singing when a simple pill administered provides him relief… or would you be so bold as to jerk that opportunity out of the reach of his little hands as tears of angst and pain are opted for by YOU as you parcipitate his horror, his nightmare… what a ghastly thought, even punctuated by the possibility that it is probable in your case, as you have shown your selfish agenda in all to vivid color. one thing you have apparently, in all your wisdom and judgment NOW noticed… is that not ONE of us on medication speaks of a "high"… as not one of us is fortunate enough to experience such a "pleasurable" byproduct of our medication.  THAT would be a minor payoff, muh boy… and i DO mean minor. YOUR memory, i’m sure, serves you well.  that smacks of a past of benzo abuse that created a "high" for you…. WELLLLLLLLLLLLL,  let me tell you something.  it does NOT create a high for us, and i can speak for everyone in this group.  WHY?  we’re WAY too busy depending on that little blue pill for our next breath, to subside our DESPERATE FEAR that is inexplicable, to just give us one more chance to live, while praying to our own personal God to please… please.. just give us one more chance, to PLEASE make this go away and even making promises to this God that we will NEVER have another attack if the gift of one more chance is offered, a promise absurd, and borne of despair. as you have come here to prove, (ineffectively, i might add), that you are in an enlightened arena of panic/anxiety sufferers that have overcome by the grace of what you perceive as a ’superior thought process’… you have proven not only the contradiction of this "superior thinking" as the dichotomy lies within your own words, consistently, but that you are a narcissist of major proportions with the discernment abilities of a fruit fly. you wouldn’t know support from pantyhose.  (or maybe i speak from an unenlightened position on that one, who knows)… and support is not always in the form of advice, medication technicalities, but also laughter, humor, chiding, acceptance… acceptance that we may find one another intolerable on a day to day basis and it COULD be due to anxiety, personal issues, (which we put on the table freely, son) or issues that have nothing to do with our behavior towards another here. we convene not so much for solutions, but for cohesion. cohering, and a comfort zone.. one which dictates that we do not have to be onstage for a few minutes of our lives proving we’re "ok" to the nonaccepting masses. yeah, i’m speaking for everyone, which is NOT my right, i will claim all of the above as my OWN …  and feel certain that i have touched upon things others feel. ..and i’ll be seein’ YOU in the "men suffering from lorena bobbit syndrome support" forum, sans a prosthesis, of course, that might make your life a little too easy.. and i’ll be happy to lend you my own balls, as you have none… looks like your ENTIRE 3 PIECE SUITE FELL VICTIM !!!!!! …. and in closing?  live it up…. life in your solo arena will serve you well, i’m sure. ~tanya p.s. your attempt at intellect is futile. intellect is not mutually exclusive of sensibility, rationale, and consistency.. just the opposite, in fact.  do yourself a favor and do NOT try that again, it does NOT become you.

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It takes alot to offend US here. Sounds like this is not the group for you friend. And benzos don’t make you high. They help with anxiety and PANIC attacks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a group, it seems everyone here is pretty dedicated to prescription medication as a source of relief for suffering. Sorry for any offence, but I found the name of this group mislead. alt.support.medsanddocs is more the case. Nothing like a good benzo for a good high…if memory serves.

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We disagree, Marie. Each post that I have opened entails some dilemma over the ingestion of some chemical. Frankly, I had enough of the chemicals that will ultimately harm my liver, or my kidneys, or some other necessary system for life. The treatments are worse than the ailments in my view.

i see they skipped all them vital organs and went due north’n right SKRAIT for yer last vestige of’ah brain cell.  that was mighty generous, in retrospect, doncha think? Now, what I did find interesting was your reply. Interestingly, in merely posing an alternative perspective, you had assumed that I was speaking aobut herbs, or oils, or some other external cure. We are the only species that I know of that has direct and immediate control over our experiential existence.

"immediate control"?  ROFLMAOOOOOO !!!! "immediate control".. now THERE’s a concept.  even if control WAS a possibility, i don’t think you’d have it considerin’ tha option/possibility of sumbody dosin’ ya right quick’n makin’ their own experiment… (it’s called "choice", a_fried) and we excersise tha right to that choice… WELCOME TO AMERICA !!! please take yer seat in tha "i try ta look so enFUCKINlightened but just can’t seem to succeed" corner.  happy ta have ya here, yer truly a treasured addition to our country, as ya make us all look like Einstein, by comparison… whad’ah magnanimous gesture ! As to any "failed" attempts, I am curious thoough on what you were expecting ‘them’ to deliver?

this ain’t even my question and i can answer that, it’s rocket science, ::lookin’ at tha room topic in case i missed sumthin:: …and another contribution (as aforementioned) to tha world… yer tha poster child for "true humanitarian" !!!!!!! ~ya guessed it !   ~tanya

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If Im on 100mg Zoloft do I have to take the entire pill at once? It seems as if I have a sharp increase in anxiety issues about 12-14 hours after taking the drug. Does anyone out there split their dose up twice a day, does it work? Also I dont understand if zoloft takes 6 weeks to work and stays in your system for so long how can I feel immediate results (hours)? Is it all in my head?

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If Im on 100mg Zoloft do I have to take the entire pill at once? It seems as if I have a sharp increase in anxiety issues about 12-14 hours after taking the drug. Does anyone out there split their dose up twice a day, does it work? Also I dont understand if zoloft takes 6 weeks to work and stays in your system for so long how can I feel immediate results (hours)? Is it all in my head?

Ask your Doctor!!!!!!

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I’m on 100mg of Zoloft and take it at night. Sometimes I’ll break it in half since I know the lower the dosage the better. I find that the 100mg gives me more anxiety so that’s usually when I’ll go a few days of 50mg….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If Im on 100mg Zoloft do I have to take the entire pill at once? It seems as if I have a sharp increase in anxiety issues about 12-14 hours after taking the drug. Does anyone out there split their dose up twice a day, does it work? Also I dont understand if zoloft takes 6 weeks to work and stays in your system for so long how can I feel immediate results (hours)? Is it all in my head? I was on Zoloft for a number of years up until the beginning of 2003.  I used to take 100mg a day most of the time.  However, sometimes during the winter I would start to feel a little worse, so I would take  1 1/2, I would just break the Zoloft.  Other times, especially late spring/summer I would be feeling pretty well so I would only take 1/2 a day. Ask your doctor if he/she thinks it would be OK to take a lower amount of Zoloft.  How long have you been taking it?  Some SSRI’s can make you feel a little worse for a week or two until as your body adjusts.  An there is the possibility that Zoloft may not be right for you.  For example, I just started taking Paxil CR today.  I won’t be taking it again tomorrow.  I just didn’t feel right.  I had tried Paxil a few years ago and only used it for two day and after today, I now remember why I stopped : ) Don’t hesitate to talk to your doc about it, that is what they are there for. Best, JimD

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As a group, it seems everyone here is pretty dedicated to prescription medication as a source of relief for suffering. Sorry for any offence, but I found the name of this group mislead. alt.support.medsanddocs is more the case. Nothing like a good benzo for a good high…if memory serves.

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As a group, it seems everyone here is pretty dedicated to prescription medication as a source of relief for suffering.

Actually I find folks in this group the most med-resistant and med-phobic of them all. Prescription meds are stronger and work much more effectively than lavendar oils and tea leaves. The natural route is for your garden variety anxiety. I tried the natural route (needles, herbs, and therapy) for three months and wasted time and money and got my condition worsened. The naturopaths promise healing and "no side effects," but they failed to deliver and, ironically, referred me to the PDocs. The PDocs don’t make promises about anything being free of side effects. Currently they are delivering far more for these folks and for me.

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As a group, it seems everyone here is pretty dedicated to prescription medication as a source of relief for suffering. Sorry for any offence, but I found the name of this group mislead. alt.support.medsanddocs is more the case. Nothing like a good benzo for a good high…if memory serves.

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As a group, it seems everyone here is pretty dedicated to prescription medication as a source of relief for suffering. Sorry for any offence, but I found the name of this group mislead. alt.support.medsanddocs is more the case. Nothing like a good benzo for a good high…if memory serves.

For many medication is and may remain necessary. Anxiety disorders are most often biological/genetic as well as psychological (*learned behaviour*). CBT is the first choice therapy and taking meds without CBT is not the best treatment. Philip

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We disagree, Marie. Each post that I have opened entails some dilemma over the ingestion of some chemical. Frankly, I had enough of the chemicals that will ultimately harm my liver, or my kidneys, or some other necessary system for life. The treatments are worse than the ailments in my view. Now, what I did find interesting was your reply. Interestingly, in merely posing an alternative perspective, you had assumed that I was speaking aobut herbs, or oils, or some other external cure. We are the only species that I know of that has direct and immediate control over our experiential existence. As to any "failed" attempts, I am curious thoough on what you were expecting ‘them’ to deliver?

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As a group, it seems everyone here is pretty dedicated to prescription medication as a source of relief for suffering. Sorry for any offence, but I found the name of this group mislead. alt.support.medsanddocs is more the case. Nothing like a good benzo for a good high…if memory serves.

amen.  perhaps you ARE in the wrong forum, as we are all REAL anxiety/panic sufferers. yes… medication is a viable and available alternative to the impact of…… a sudden meteoric rise in heartbeat, off the charts, stroke level blood pressure, KNOWING your heart is beating so hard that you are dying at any moment, the humiliation and embarrassment that goes along with "knowing somehow in your head" that this isn’t real, the inability to treat it as "not real", as it’s not possible… ~~THAT knowledge in itself is overwhelming~~ being unable to indulge the coherent awareness/reality of that which we have no control or power over, trying every possible verbosity to explain to others (those of us that are ‘out of the closet’ with our disorder, as THAT is a feat in itself,) the phenomenon manifested and internalized as extremely visible to the world, knowing we cannot IGNORE what is happening in lieu of our intellectual mind set as the current "reality" supercedes this, especially in a public arena, enduring embarrassment of major proportions, having fear as our closest cohort in life, fear of attacks, fear of …including fear that the possibility of having our next prescription denied exists, our "fear" is always by our side, dependable, ever present, persistent if nothing else. to KNOW the world is staring directly at us with judgment as we die die considering the moment of exiting a door from home, for some, a major accomplishment, after 30 years, having missed out on their kid’s first home run, all home runs, the crowning of their daughter as homecoming queen, graduations, family functions, holidays spent alone, enslaving the whole family to the dictation of needs via this disorder, subjecting your children and husband to a life of ‘excuses for mom’s absence’, and the list goes on, to be aware that our goal of "management" is the only thing that separates us from the world in which we dwell and the one possible, to know we are by far not the only victims of this suffering, our friends and family are just as victimized, the burden of guilt …. guilt as we are inflicting our own discomfort on those that love us, a horrific cross to bear, understanding that understanding is not something they do well, and not a thing we can gift them… we don’t understand it ourselves. we are FAR from stupid  the creativity we employ to "not be noticed" or even "found out" dictates a creativity, an intelligence level not to be ignored, even an awareness level that is not to be reckoned with. go to the "diabetes support" forum and suggest the participants get the HELL off their meds, pills or insulin. go to the "new mothers in crisis support" forum and suggest they take their 3 month premature baby out of the incubator and out of the hands of … as you so eloquently phrased it "medsanddocs" and of course, remove the oxygen, (nothin’ like’ah good dose of oxygen for a good high). YES, medication is a source of relief and suffering.   YOU BET YOUR ASS IT IS!!!!  and when the shit hits the proverbial fan, and YOUR son is suffering from a pain beknownst, the magnitude, the intensity, to him and only him… let’s see where the shit lands then. let’s see what tune you’re singing when a simple pill administered provides him relief… or would you be so bold as to jerk that opportunity out of the reach of his little hands as tears of angst and pain are opted for by YOU as you parcipitate his horror, his nightmare… what a ghastly thought, even punctuated by the possibility that it is probable in your case, as you have shown your selfish agenda in all to vivid color. one thing you have apparently, in all your wisdom and judgment NOW noticed… is that not ONE of us on medication speaks of a "high"… as not one of us is fortunate enough to experience such a "pleasurable" byproduct of our medication.  THAT would be a minor payoff, muh boy… and i DO mean minor. YOUR memory, i’m sure, serves you well.  that smacks of a past of benzo abuse that created a "high" for you…. WELLLLLLLLLLLLL,  let me tell you something.  it does NOT create a high for us, and i can speak for everyone in this group.  WHY?  we’re WAY too busy depending on that little blue pill for our next breath, to subside our DESPERATE FEAR that is inexplicable, to just give us one more chance to live, while praying to our own personal God to please… please.. just give us one more chance, to PLEASE make this go away and even making promises to this God that we will NEVER have another attack if the gift of one more chance is offered, a promise absurd, and borne of despair. as you have come here to prove, (ineffectively, i might add), that you are in an enlightened arena of panic/anxiety sufferers that have overcome by the grace of what you perceive as a ’superior thought process’… you have proven not only the contradiction of this "superior thinking" as the dichotomy lies within your own words, consistently, but that you are a narcissist of major proportions with the discernment abilities of a fruit fly. you wouldn’t know support from pantyhose.  (or maybe i speak from an unenlightened position on that one, who knows)… and support is not always in the form of advice, medication technicalities, but also laughter, humor, chiding, acceptance… acceptance that we may find one another intolerable on a day to day basis and it COULD be due to anxiety, personal issues, (which we put on the table freely, son) or issues that have nothing to do with our behavior towards another here. we convene not so much for solutions, but for cohesion. cohering, and a comfort zone.. one which dictates that we do not have to be onstage for a few minutes of our lives proving we’re "ok" to the nonaccepting masses. yeah, i’m speaking for everyone, which is NOT my right, i will claim all of the above as my OWN …  and feel certain that i have touched upon things others feel. ..and i’ll be seein’ YOU in the "men suffering from lorena bobbit syndrome support" forum, sans a prosthesis, of course, that might make your life a little too easy.. and i’ll be happy to lend you my own balls, as you have none… looks like your ENTIRE 3 PIECE SUITE FELL VICTIM !!!!!! …. and in closing?  live it up…. life in your solo arena will serve you well, i’m sure. ~tanya p.s. your attempt at intellect is futile. intellect is not mutually exclusive of sensibility, rationale, and consistency.. just the opposite, in fact.  do yourself a favor and do NOT try that again, it does NOT become you.

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Hi Everyone, my name is Augest.  I am twenty nine and i have panic disorder and ocd sinc the age of 11.  I was on zoloft fot eight years and recently weaned myself off to try and go it alone.  A week ago all my symptoms returned and I have been having attacks 24/7 since then.  I am so despondent.  I had to drop my online college course, put my part time job on hold and delay my business I’m working on starting.  All I can do is have attacks.  I’m waiting for the zoloft to kick in, but I feel like a failure for having to go back on it.  I have a feeling  I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life if I am going to be able to function.  I am so sad.  Was I stupid to try and go it alone?  Has anyone else tried and failed?  Please write to me, as I need someone to talk to who understands. Always, Augest

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Hi Everyone, my name is Augest.  I am twenty nine and i have panic disorder and ocd sinc the age of 11.  I was on zoloft fot eight years and recently weaned myself off to try and go it alone.  A week ago all my symptoms returned and I have been having attacks 24/7 since then.  I am so despondent.  I had to drop my online college course, put my part time job on hold and delay my business I’m working on starting.  All I can do is have attacks.  I’m waiting for the zoloft to kick in, but I feel like a failure for having to go back on it.  I have a feeling  I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life if I am going to be able to function.  I am so sad.  Was I stupid to try and go it alone?  Has anyone else tried and failed?  Please write to me, as I need someone to talk to who understands. Always, Augest

Oh yeah, I am dealing with this right now.  Putting the job on hold, med changes, etc.  Actually, I did try to wean myself off of my AD a couple of times and not with good results.  You are not a failure because you need medication.  Would someone call I diabetic a failure?  No.  You are going to be fine.  If you need your medication, there is nothing wrong at all with it. Good Luck, Vicki

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Hi Everyone, my name is Augest.  I am twenty nine and i have panic disorder and ocd sinc the age of 11.  I was on zoloft fot eight years and recently weaned myself off to try and go it alone.  A week ago all my symptoms returned and I have been having attacks 24/7 since then.  I am so despondent.  I had to drop my online college course, put my part time job on hold and delay my business I’m working on starting.  All I can do is have attacks.  I’m waiting for the zoloft to kick in, but I feel like a failure for having to go back on it.

Hi Augest! You could take a benzodiazepine such as Xanax for your current panic attacks until the Zoloft kicks in. Bet you wouldn’t feel like a failure if you had to go back on  a blood pressure or diabetes med. You might be disappointed, but you wouldn’t feel like a failure. I have a feeling  I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life if I am going to be able to function.

You never know. At this point in time, you have to go back on. I am so sad.  Was I stupid to try and go it alone?  Has anyone else tried and failed?  Please write to me, as I need someone to talk to who understands.

I’ve tried to discontinue meds for panic disorder and depression on several occasions, but find I do best on a combo of Zoloft, desipramine, and Klonopin. Otherwise I start having panic attacks when driving on the freeway and start getting depressed. I’ve been on Zoloft for 10 years, desipramine for about 5 years, and Klonopin for 16 years. I have tried to discontinue all of these meds on one or more occasions and found I needed to stay on them. I think it’s a good idea to try to see how one does off a med from time to time. Also I have always tried to get down to the minimal effective dose for every med I’m on. Always, Augest

Take care (((Augest))) Chip  

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I think it’s a good idea to try to see how one does off a med from time to time. Also I have always tried to get down to the minimal effective dose for every med I’m on. Take care (((Augest))) Chip  

I think you are right, Chip.  A minimal dose is best. I sometimes wonder what this drug is doing to my body longterm which is why I wanted off. I’m taking xanax as I wait for the zoloft to kick in, but it is not working as effectiely as it used to in combating the panic attacks.  I wish I knew why.  Used to be I’d take one pill and sleep like a baby, now it barely effects me.  I guess I’m in for a lot of long nights ahead. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Augest

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I think it’s a good idea to try to see how one does off a med from time to time. Also I have always tried to get down to the minimal effective dose for every med I’m on. I think you are right, Chip.  A minimal dose is best. I sometimes wonder what this drug is doing to my body longterm which is why I wanted off.

That’s understandable. Don’t forget about the adverse effects untreated long term anxiety and depression can have on the body. To say nothing of all the suffering. I’m taking xanax as I wait for the zoloft to kick in, but it is not working as effectiely as it used to in combating the panic attacks.  I wish I knew why.

Maybe when the Zoloft was in effect, you needed less Xanax for anxiety relief. Currently your baseline anxiety level is way up, so you need more Xanax. That should change once the Zoloft kicks in. Used to be I’d take one pill and sleep like a baby, now it barely effects me.  I guess I’m in for a lot of long nights ahead.

I’d use the Xanax in generous enough doses to knock the anxiety level way down and block panic attacks untill the Zoloft kicks in. Chip

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Hi Augest, I’ve been where  you are now. I tried lowering my Zoloft dose a few times to see if I still needed it.  The panic attacks did return at the lower dose. Your body is adjusting to the Zoloft now and that may be adding to your anxiety.  How much Zoloft are you starting at ?  Your "ride" may be smoother if you gradually go up in 50 mg increments every 2 weeks.  If you’re in a hurry and can "tough it out", then maybe you can go up in higher doses.  Follow your doctor’s directions and keep him/her updated. Maybe you need a benzo like clonazepam or xanax to relieve your anxiety right now. Tell your doc how you’re feeling and see what he/she recommends. Take it easy :  ) Tony

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Maybe you need a benzo like clonazepam or xanax to relieve your anxiety right now. Tell your doc how you’re feeling and see what he/she recommends. Take it easy :  ) Tony

Hi Tony, I got the xanax, but it isn’t as effective on me as it used to be.  I’m trying to tough this out.  I’m hoping I can keep my zoloft levels low.  I started at 50mg two days ago.  I can feel the zoloft trying to work, but there just isn’t enough of it in my system yet to be effective.  My doctor said the same thing as you, to increase in two weeks.  I’m going to do that.  I’d like to stay under my old dose of 100mg though.  I didn’t like the side effects.  We’ll see what happens.  Thanks for the support. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Augest

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Hi Tony, I got the xanax, but it isn’t as effective on me as it used to be.  I’m trying to tough this out.  I’m hoping I can keep my zoloft levels low.  I started at 50mg two days ago.  I can feel the zoloft trying to work, but there just isn’t enough of it in my system yet to be effective.  My doctor said the same thing as you, to increase in two weeks.  I’m going to do that.  I’d like to stay under my old dose of 100mg though.  I didn’t like the side effects.  We’ll see what happens.  Thanks for the support. Augest

Hi Augest, I’d hate to throw a monkey wrench into your progress but I have made the switch from Zoloft to Effexor XR because it seemed that Zoloft had stopped working after about 6 years.  This probably won’t happen to you.  I may have just been completely burned out from constant stress at work for many years.  Anyway, I have found that Effexor XR is a very smooth med, does not mute my emotions and doesn’t have sexual side effects. That’s my case, it may not be the same for you.  For instance, I initially went from Zoloft to Lexapro and was incredibly tired all the time from the Lexapro.  You may fare well on Lexapro. Effexor XR is an SNRI (Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor). Good luck with the Zoloft.  100 mg was my therapeutic dose although I did have some success at 50 mg when my stress levels were low. Tony

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I was on Serzone for only a week…If you have any suicidal thoughts it increases them dramatically….It scared me so I stopped taking it… Mandy

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The SSRI never worked for me. I have been on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Celexa, & more that i can’t even remember. I was not ablbe to tolerate those meds. I am on xanax, which help with the symtoms. But, I still suffer from panic attacks & agoraphobia.

none of those worked for me either. then my doc gave me anafranil and buspar and it worked like a charm. "I’ll let you be in my dream, if I can be in yours" cadre rock! http://cadre.iuma.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez I have now tried Tofranil, Elavil, St. John’s Wort, Prozac, Celexa, Valium, Effexor, Welbutrin, and four other medicines I can’t name.   At least three of them have given me terrible side effects at normal dosages (catatonia from 40 mg Prozac, convulsions from 200mg Welbutrin that had my wife in tears, and a horrible reaction to 225 mg.  Effexor.)    I have stopped drinking.  I still can hardly leave the house.  The SSRI’s give me a little relief at dosages I can handle, but not much. My pdoc has my trying Serzone now.  Has anyone had any experience with it?  I am trying to stay optimistic. — Mason Barge "People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like."        – Abraham Lincoln

the trick with any antidepressant is starting at very low doses and slowly increasing them over time-you still have options of other medications that are available to you-not knowing the other 4 you tried and not knowing the side effects specific to what med and the dose you experienced them there is protriptyline, nortriptyline, desipramine, clomipramine, doxepin, sertraline, paroxetine, fluvoxamine, trimipramine, amoxapine, maprotaline, phenelzine, tranylcypromine. mitrazapine, within a few months Lexapro a refined version of celexa will hit the market and although I don’t advocate trying brand new meds-this is a safer version of citalopram using one isomer of the compound-Lilly is seeking approval of its cymbalta a multi targeting ad med like effexor, for release within a year-and the vaulted underused benzos and other meds may play a role  in  finding some relief-being on a med merry go round is no fun for sure, but sooner or later a med will be found that is tolerated and useful. I hope serzone works for you-it has some merit for agitated type depressions demonstrates a weaker activity then other classes of meds and less so then remeron which is in the same class, but again the idyosyncratic nature of our bodies and these drugs belies any anecdotal observations-it would not be my first choice, but that has little meaning if it works LM

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The SSRI never worked for me. I have been on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Celexa, & more that i can’t even remember. I was not ablbe to tolerate those meds. I am on xanax, which help with the symtoms. But, I still suffer from panic attacks & agoraphobia. Doc the Rocker

Hi Doc, (what’s up?) ) What is your total daily dose of Xanax? Chip (Bugs)

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Geez I have now tried Tofranil, Elavil, St. John’s Wort, Prozac, Celexa, Valium, Effexor, Welbutrin, and four other medicines I can’t name.   At least three of them have given me terrible side effects at normal dosages (catatonia from 40 mg Prozac, convulsions from 200mg Welbutrin that had my wife in tears, and a horrible reaction to 225 mg.  Effexor.)    I have stopped drinking.  I still can hardly leave the house.  The SSRI’s give me a little relief at dosages I can handle, but not much. My pdoc has my trying Serzone now.  Has anyone had any experience with it?  I am trying to stay optimistic. — Mason Barge "People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like."         — Abraham Lincoln

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Geez I have now tried Tofranil, Elavil, St. John’s Wort, Prozac, Celexa, Valium, Effexor, Welbutrin, and four other medicines I can’t name.   At least three of them have given me terrible side effects at normal dosages (catatonia from 40 mg Prozac, convulsions from 200mg Welbutrin that had my wife in tears, and a horrible reaction to 225 mg.  Effexor.)    I have stopped drinking.  I still can hardly leave the house.  The SSRI’s give me a little relief at dosages I can handle, but not much. My pdoc has my trying Serzone now.  Has anyone had any experience with it?  I am trying to stay optimistic. — Mason Barge

Serzone can be effective for panic disorder and depression. What are all of your diagnoses? Looks like you haven’t been on any high potency benzodiazepines (Klonopin, Xanax, etc). Is your doc afraid to prescribe them? Chip

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Hi Mason, I am on 450mgs of Serzone. Have been on it for 1 year and 3 months. I have experienced a substantial reduction in my free-floating anxiety. I still use an occassional ativan for situational panic/phobia. Serzone is losing any favor it had due to liver problems that developed in a small percentage of its users. I get a liver function test routinely as a precaution, and it always comes back fine. Serzone does have sedating qualities. I am more sluggish than before, but I also feel more even…not so high…not so low. Weaning on the side effects were mild constipation and dry mouth. Sex and sleep have not been disturbed. I seem to be in the rare population that is benefitting from it. I hope you find something soon. Peace, John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez I have now tried Tofranil, Elavil, St. John’s Wort, Prozac, Celexa, Valium, Effexor, Welbutrin, and four other medicines I can’t name.   At least three of them have given me terrible side effects at normal dosages (catatonia from 40 mg Prozac, convulsions from 200mg Welbutrin that had my wife in tears, and a horrible reaction to 225 mg.  Effexor.)    I have stopped drinking.  I still can hardly leave the house.  The SSRI’s give me a little relief at dosages I can handle, but not much. My pdoc has my trying Serzone now.  Has anyone had any experience with it?  I am trying to stay optimistic. — Mason Barge "People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like."         — Abraham Lincoln

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My pdoc has my trying Serzone now.  Has anyone had any experience with it?  I am trying to stay optimistic.

that was the first med I tried. it didn’t do much for me really. but everyone is different, so it may work well for you. "I’ll let you be in my dream, if I can be in yours" cadre rock! http://cadre.iuma.com

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I seem to be in the rare population that is benefitting from it. I hope you find something soon. John

Hi John, Why do you say that a rare (or small?) population benefits from it? Chip

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Hi Chip, An armchair observation leads me to believe that many people are not successful on it and that is rarely prescribed, especially now with the liver problem thing. I think I indulged myself in a moment of self-pity. I’ve always tended to feel like the odd-man out. Even with meds. Hope your day is going well! Peace, John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to be in the rare population that is benefitting from it. I hope you find something soon. John Hi John, Why do you say that a rare (or small?) population benefits from it? Chip

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Hi Chip, An armchair observation leads me to believe that many people are not successful on it and that is rarely prescribed, especially now with the liver problem thing.

My impression is that it is effective for both panic disorder and depression. Although the trend seems to be to prescribe the SSRIs first. I can see why getting periodic liver function tests is a drawback. I used to take a med, Pemoline, for depression, and that med now requires serial liver tests. I think I indulged myself in a moment of self-pity. I’ve always tended to feel like the odd-man out. Even with meds.

((((John)))) Chip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope your day is going well! Peace, John I seem to be in the rare population that is benefitting from it. I hope you find something soon. John Hi John, Why do you say that a rare (or small?) population benefits from it? Chip

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The SSRI never worked for me. I have been on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Celexa, & more that i can’t even remember. I was not ablbe to tolerate those meds. I am on xanax, which help with the symtoms. But, I still suffer from panic attacks & agoraphobia. Doc the Rocker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez I have now tried Tofranil, Elavil, St. John’s Wort, Prozac, Celexa, Valium, Effexor, Welbutrin, and four other medicines I can’t name.   At least three of them have given me terrible side effects at normal dosages (catatonia from 40 mg Prozac, convulsions from 200mg Welbutrin that had my wife in tears, and a horrible reaction to 225 mg.  Effexor.)    I have stopped drinking.  I still can hardly leave the house.  The SSRI’s give me a little relief at dosages I can handle, but not much. My pdoc has my trying Serzone now.  Has anyone had any experience with it?  I am trying to stay optimistic. — Mason Barge "People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like."         — Abraham Lincoln

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you go girl!!!!!!!

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I can understand that some posters may wish to use screen names to protect their identity or that of their kids when talking about personal AD/HD issues. (Although personally I have never had any problem with letting people know that I have AD/HD – but that is my choice and I respect the rights of others to choose to retain whatever level of privacy they feel comfortable with.) That apart, why would anybody wish to remain anonymous if they were genuinely interested in contributing to a rational and informed debate about treatment options ? This guy is not writing about personal stuff … he is just posting selected articles, a bit like a press clipping service.  There is very little original comment or analysis involved. Is he a guy who is just a teeny weensy bit obsessional about psychiatric " abuse " as a result of a bad personal experience ?  Is he a representative of a group which considers it has a " message " to give to the public ?  I don’t know …   All I know is that I have a distrust of writers who just quote ( or maybe misquote) other people’s stuff without making any sort of personal contribution to the news group. Again, that is my own opinion / prejudice. Ian N Ford

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It is this scetion that got my attention:   "Domain System inverse mapping provided by:    GATEKEEPER.EOP.GOV  198.137.241.3    SEC1.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.92.2    SEC2.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.93.2" If he is running through Psi.net, they have a very strict abuse policy online and I might actually be able to get it stopped. I am afraid I don’t know enough about headers yet but i’ll read up on it and let you know…. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The govt. header is obviously forged.  Do you think that the UFO cult path is real? George Maybe he’s beaming down from a UFO? I wonder what the FBI would say about his NNTP posting host : <snipped Path: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!a-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home .com !newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!churc h.of .scientology.org!lafayette.ronald.hubbard!UFO Doncha just love that path. :-/ — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy. Before you buy. — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

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The govt. header is obviously forged.  Do you think that the UFO cult path is real? George

Maybe he’s beaming down from a UFO? I wonder what the FBI would say about his NNTP posting host : <snipped Path:

news1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!a-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home .com

!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!churc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – h.of .scientology.org!lafayette.ronald.hubbard!UFO Doncha just love that path. :-/ — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy. Before you buy.

– Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

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I wonder what the FBI would say about his NNTP posting host : <snipped Path:

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Doncha just love that path. :-/ — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

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The govt. header is obviously forged.  Do you think that the UFO cult path is real? George I wonder what the FBI would say about his NNTP posting host : <snipped Path:

news1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!a-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home .com !newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!churc h.of – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .scientology.org!lafayette.ronald.hubbard!UFO Doncha just love that path. :-/ — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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No kidding, you’ll vote for the most screwed up candidate?  Maybe that explains some of Bush’s support:  "He almost killed his sister while driving under the influence?  Excellent, he’s our boy!" – Jeff Anyway, I’m infuriated, and voting for Bush STRICTLY because he’s been around the block a few times.  I love every piece of mind-altering scoop they get on him.

– ‘98 Rans V-Rex    ==–%   Waltham, MA    ()    O http://www.BlueSNAFU.com – v2.36

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I would love to get the story out that the Government is Spaming the Usenet and how unfair it is since we are powerless to stop it. If it is true, I almost hope it is….

Spammers, net kooks, and trolls love to forge their headers.  One of their favorite things to do is put in bogus governmental tracking info or to put in tracking info for three or four bogus originating services. — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

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I would love to get the story out that the Government is Spaming the Usenet and how unfair it is since we are powerless to stop it. If it is true, I almost hope it is…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OH MY GOD! I DESPISE THE OUR GOVERNMENT!  I knew they would stoop to such lengths!  I will be away from my PC till Tuesday but believe me I intend to get to the bottom of this.  I have been on an anti-DEA crusade for over 5 years.  I can feel the chunks rising again. OA.EOP.GOV stands for Office of Administration, Executive Office of the President.  I do not know if this is an alius that wack-o was able to use or if its really them. Anyway, I’m infuriated, and voting for Bush STRICTLY because he’s been around the block a few times.  I love every piece of mind-altering scoop they get on him. Susan Aschner Kearny, NJ (So the DEA can find me better). I wonder what the FBI would say about his NNTP posting host : Executive Office Of The President USA (NET-EOPNET-C1)    Room NEOB 4208    725 17th Street NW    Washington, DC 20503    US    Netname: EOPNET-C1    Netblock: 198.137.240.0 – 198.137.240.255    Coordinator:       (202) 395-6417    Domain System inverse mapping provided by:    GATEKEEPER.EOP.GOV  198.137.241.3    SEC1.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.92.2    SEC2.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.93.2    Record last updated on 04-May-1999.    Database last updated on 4-Nov-2000 18:06:29 EDT.Path: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!a-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.co m !newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!church.o f .scientology.org!lafayette.ronald.hubbard!UFO Newsgroups: alt.support.survivors.prozac,alt.support.attn-deficit,alt.support.depressio n .medication,alt.support.depression,alt.support.depression.manic,alt.society . mental-health,misc.kids.health,alt.parenting.solutions Organization: Mental Health Liberation Front Lines: 95 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.137.240.127 Keywords: Serzone Nefadar nefazodone Anafranil clomipramine Celexa Cipramil citalopram Luvox Floxyfral fluvoxamine Sarafem Prozac Fontex fluoxetine Zoloft sertraline Paxil paroxetine Effexor venlafaxine Lamictal lamotrigine Normud zimelidine Upstene indalpine Adapin Sinequan doxepin Amitid Elavil Endep amitriptyline Haldol haloperidol Vestra reboxetine Nembutol pentobarbital Pertrofrane desipramine Neurontin gabapentin Wellbutrin Zyban bupropion Nardil phenelzine Asendin amoxapine Tofranil imipramine Vivactil protriptyline Surmontin trimipramine Ludiomil maprotiline Norpramin desipramine Dutonin nefazodone Parnate Aventyl Pamelor nortriptyline tranylcypromine Desyrel trazodone Marplan isocarboxazid Remeron mirtazapine Aurorix Mannerix moclobemide Seroxat paroxetine Xanax alprazolam Klonopin clonazepam Tolvon minaserin Desyrel trazodone tranylcypromin St John’s Wort hypericin monoamine oxidase inhibitor selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor tricyclic antidepressant Xref: newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com alt.support.survivors.prozac:30014220 alt.support.attn-deficit:30119798 alt.support.depression.medication:30061886 alt.support.depression:30785838 alt.support.depression.manic:30146558 alt.society.mental-health:30017788 misc.kids.health:30040893 alt.parenting.solutions:30161942 Well, to him I’d like to say…. Do NOT talk to me about hating Ritalin until you find yourself walking away and going on to the next task prematurely before even flushing the toilet, or putting on BOTH shoes instead of just one. Do not talk to me until you realize that you have run out of the house and gotten on a train before turning off the piolet light on the stove, or left the iron on, or left a cigarette burning. Do not talk to me until you see your life as a mile-high pile of thoughts that could never be sorted, and can barely think of having friends because you can never get organized enough to leave your house before dark! Do not talk to me until you find out that you will ALWAYS think this way unless you go to a shrink every month and get a "Controlled Substance" prescription ON PAPER because the DEA won’t allow it any other way. What Magical Herb do you have for me that I havent tried? I believe Ritalin saves my life and possibly my neighborhood everyday.  Ritalin does NOT make me feel great, I feel just possibly a tiny bit normal, possibly. To see how we feel, go without sleep for 48 hours and then make everything in your life a desparately important priority. The wired rushing around and confused thinking you are experiencing is how we feel everyday.  Go ahead try it, I dare you. Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand! Sincerily, Susan Aschner Kearny, NJ

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Well, to him I’d like to say…. Do NOT talk to me about hating Ritalin until you find yourself walking away and going on to the next task prematurely before even flushing the toilet, or putting on BOTH shoes instead of just one. Do not talk to me until you realize that you have run out of the house and gotten on a train before turning off the piolet light on the stove, or left the iron on, or left a cigarette burning. Do not talk to me until you see your life as a mile-high pile of thoughts that could never be sorted, and can barely think of having friends because you can never get organized enough to leave your house before dark! Do not talk to me until you find out that you will ALWAYS think this way unless you go to a shrink every month and get a "Controlled Substance" prescription ON PAPER because the DEA won’t allow it any other way. What Magical Herb do you have for me that I havent tried? I believe Ritalin saves my life and possibly my neighborhood everyday.  Ritalin does NOT make me feel great, I feel just possibly a tiny bit normal, possibly. To see how we feel, go without sleep for 48 hours and then make everything in your life a desparately important priority. The wired rushing around and confused thinking you are experiencing is how we feel everyday.  Go ahead try it, I dare you. Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand! Sincerily, Susan Aschner Kearny, NJ

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Susan, are you *sure* you’d want to consider bringing into your home someone with "hate" in all his fake Usenet names? Joe Parsons

[snip] Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand!

Frequently Asked Questions for alt.support.attn-deficit and other resources for dealing with attention deficit disorder are at http://www.cyber-mall.com/asad/faq.html

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I believe I can turn anyone who witnesses my daily life around from Hating helpful prescription drugs! In fact I think we’d get a formal apology! Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Susan, are you *sure* you’d want to consider bringing into your home someone with "hate" in all his fake Usenet names? Joe Parsons [snip] Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand! Frequently Asked Questions for alt.support.attn-deficit and other resources for dealing with attention deficit disorder are at http://www.cyber-mall.com/asad/faq.html

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Susan, He’s a raving lunatic.  He’s homeless and stays at a Y. He lost his job as a teacher.  He refuses treatment. His wife and kids left him after being abused by him. He’s much worse off than you but he’s too paranoid to improve his situation.  He’s very pathetic, but there’s no hope of helping him from our position. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe I can turn anyone who witnesses my daily life around from Hating helpful prescription drugs! In fact I think we’d get a formal apology! Susan Susan, are you *sure* you’d want to consider bringing into your home someone with "hate" in all his fake Usenet names? Joe Parsons [snip] Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand! Frequently Asked Questions for alt.support.attn-deficit and other resources for dealing with attention deficit disorder are at http://www.cyber-mall.com/asad/faq.html

Before you buy.

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Oh, well I certainly do not need another ADD’er living in this house! I am about all I can take.  Thanks for the advice.  Sounds like a real problem child, I can’t believe he’s not even in any position to talk! I’ll ignore him for now but next week I will try to track him down and get rid of him (from online, I mean). Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Susan, He’s a raving lunatic.  He’s homeless and stays at a Y. He lost his job as a teacher.  He refuses treatment. His wife and kids left him after being abused by him. He’s much worse off than you but he’s too paranoid to improve his situation.  He’s very pathetic, but there’s no hope of helping him from our position. George I believe I can turn anyone who witnesses my daily life around from Hating helpful prescription drugs! In fact I think we’d get a formal apology! Susan Susan, are you *sure* you’d want to consider bringing into your home someone with "hate" in all his fake Usenet names? Joe Parsons [snip] Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand! Frequently Asked Questions for alt.support.attn-deficit and other resources for dealing with attention deficit disorder are at http://www.cyber-mall.com/asad/faq.html Before you buy.

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Susan, are you *sure* you’d want to consider bringing into your home someone with "hate" in all his fake Usenet names?

Susan, are you *sure* you’d want to consider bringing somebody into Kearny, NJ? I must admit I’m biased.  My loving husband had to go there for a project, working day and night.  He could see the accordion wire-topped lots from his hotel window.   E. Penrose

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I wonder what the FBI would say about his NNTP posting host : Executive Office Of The President USA (NET-EOPNET-C1)    Room NEOB 4208    725 17th Street NW    Washington, DC 20503    US    Netname: EOPNET-C1    Netblock: 198.137.240.0 – 198.137.240.255    Coordinator:       (202) 395-6417    Domain System inverse mapping provided by:    GATEKEEPER.EOP.GOV  198.137.241.3    SEC1.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.92.2    SEC2.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.93.2    Record last updated on 04-May-1999.    Database last updated on 4-Nov-2000 18:06:29 EDT.Path: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!a-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.co m !newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!church.o f .scientology.org!lafayette.ronald.hubbard!UFO Newsgroups: alt.support.survivors.prozac,alt.support.attn-deficit,alt.support.depressio n .medication,alt.support.depression,alt.support.depression.manic,alt.society . mental-health,misc.kids.health,alt.parenting.solutions Organization: Mental Health Liberation Front Lines: 95 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.137.240.127 Keywords: Serzone Nefadar nefazodone Anafranil clomipramine Celexa Cipramil citalopram Luvox Floxyfral fluvoxamine Sarafem Prozac Fontex fluoxetine Zoloft sertraline Paxil paroxetine Effexor venlafaxine Lamictal lamotrigine Normud zimelidine Upstene indalpine Adapin Sinequan doxepin Amitid Elavil Endep amitriptyline Haldol haloperidol Vestra reboxetine Nembutol pentobarbital Pertrofrane desipramine Neurontin gabapentin Wellbutrin Zyban bupropion Nardil phenelzine Asendin amoxapine Tofranil imipramine Vivactil protriptyline Surmontin trimipramine Ludiomil maprotiline Norpramin desipramine Dutonin nefazodone Parnate Aventyl Pamelor nortriptyline tranylcypromine Desyrel trazodone Marplan isocarboxazid Remeron mirtazapine Aurorix Mannerix moclobemide Seroxat paroxetine Xanax alprazolam Klonopin clonazepam Tolvon minaserin Desyrel trazodone tranylcypromin St John’s Wort hypericin monoamine oxidase inhibitor selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor tricyclic antidepressant Xref: newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com alt.support.survivors.prozac:30014220 alt.support.attn-deficit:30119798 alt.support.depression.medication:30061886 alt.support.depression:30785838 alt.support.depression.manic:30146558 alt.society.mental-health:30017788 misc.kids.health:30040893 alt.parenting.solutions:30161942

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, to him I’d like to say…. Do NOT talk to me about hating Ritalin until you find yourself walking away and going on to the next task prematurely before even flushing the toilet, or putting on BOTH shoes instead of just one. Do not talk to me until you realize that you have run out of the house and gotten on a train before turning off the piolet light on the stove, or left the iron on, or left a cigarette burning. Do not talk to me until you see your life as a mile-high pile of thoughts that could never be sorted, and can barely think of having friends because you can never get organized enough to leave your house before dark! Do not talk to me until you find out that you will ALWAYS think this way unless you go to a shrink every month and get a "Controlled Substance" prescription ON PAPER because the DEA won’t allow it any other way. What Magical Herb do you have for me that I havent tried? I believe Ritalin saves my life and possibly my neighborhood everyday.  Ritalin does NOT make me feel great, I feel just possibly a tiny bit normal, possibly. To see how we feel, go without sleep for 48 hours and then make everything in your life a desparately important priority. The wired rushing around and confused thinking you are experiencing is how we feel everyday.  Go ahead try it, I dare you. Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand! Sincerily, Susan Aschner Kearny, NJ

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Oh, well I certainly do not need another ADD’er living in this house! I am about all I can take.  Thanks for the advice.  Sounds like a real problem child, I can’t believe he’s not even in any position to talk! I’ll ignore him for now but next week I will try to track him down and get rid of him (from online, I mean). Susan

In this house we have more than one. We have had to find creative ways to cope But it’s not easy that’s for sure. — Norma Destination —- Procrastination

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OH MY GOD! I DESPISE THE OUR GOVERNMENT!  I knew they would stoop to such lengths!  I will be away from my PC till Tuesday but believe me I intend to get to the bottom of this.  I have been on an anti-DEA crusade for over 5 years.  I can feel the chunks rising again. OA.EOP.GOV stands for Office of Administration, Executive Office of the President.  I do not know if this is an alius that wack-o was able to use or if its really them. Anyway, I’m infuriated, and voting for Bush STRICTLY because he’s been around the block a few times.  I love every piece of mind-altering scoop they get on him. Susan Aschner Kearny, NJ (So the DEA can find me better). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder what the FBI would say about his NNTP posting host : Executive Office Of The President USA (NET-EOPNET-C1)    Room NEOB 4208    725 17th Street NW    Washington, DC 20503    US    Netname: EOPNET-C1    Netblock: 198.137.240.0 – 198.137.240.255    Coordinator:       (202) 395-6417    Domain System inverse mapping provided by:    GATEKEEPER.EOP.GOV  198.137.241.3    SEC1.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.92.2    SEC2.DNS.PSI.NET  38.8.93.2    Record last updated on 04-May-1999.    Database last updated on 4-Nov-2000 18:06:29 EDT.Path: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!a-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.co m !newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!church.o f .scientology.org!lafayette.ronald.hubbard!UFO Newsgroups: alt.support.survivors.prozac,alt.support.attn-deficit,alt.support.depressio n .medication,alt.support.depression,alt.support.depression.manic,alt.society . mental-health,misc.kids.health,alt.parenting.solutions Organization: Mental Health Liberation Front Lines: 95 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.137.240.127 Keywords: Serzone Nefadar nefazodone Anafranil clomipramine Celexa Cipramil citalopram Luvox Floxyfral fluvoxamine Sarafem Prozac Fontex fluoxetine Zoloft sertraline Paxil paroxetine Effexor venlafaxine Lamictal lamotrigine Normud zimelidine Upstene indalpine Adapin Sinequan doxepin Amitid Elavil Endep amitriptyline Haldol haloperidol Vestra reboxetine Nembutol pentobarbital Pertrofrane desipramine Neurontin gabapentin Wellbutrin Zyban bupropion Nardil phenelzine Asendin amoxapine Tofranil imipramine Vivactil protriptyline Surmontin trimipramine Ludiomil maprotiline Norpramin desipramine Dutonin nefazodone Parnate Aventyl Pamelor nortriptyline tranylcypromine Desyrel trazodone Marplan isocarboxazid Remeron mirtazapine Aurorix Mannerix moclobemide Seroxat paroxetine Xanax alprazolam Klonopin clonazepam Tolvon minaserin Desyrel trazodone tranylcypromin St John’s Wort hypericin monoamine oxidase inhibitor selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor tricyclic antidepressant Xref: newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com alt.support.survivors.prozac:30014220 alt.support.attn-deficit:30119798 alt.support.depression.medication:30061886 alt.support.depression:30785838 alt.support.depression.manic:30146558 alt.society.mental-health:30017788 misc.kids.health:30040893 alt.parenting.solutions:30161942 Well, to him I’d like to say…. Do NOT talk to me about hating Ritalin until you find yourself walking away and going on to the next task prematurely before even flushing the toilet, or putting on BOTH shoes instead of just one. Do not talk to me until you realize that you have run out of the house and gotten on a train before turning off the piolet light on the stove, or left the iron on, or left a cigarette burning. Do not talk to me until you see your life as a mile-high pile of thoughts that could never be sorted, and can barely think of having friends because you can never get organized enough to leave your house before dark! Do not talk to me until you find out that you will ALWAYS think this way unless you go to a shrink every month and get a "Controlled Substance" prescription ON PAPER because the DEA won’t allow it any other way. What Magical Herb do you have for me that I havent tried? I believe Ritalin saves my life and possibly my neighborhood everyday.  Ritalin does NOT make me feel great, I feel just possibly a tiny bit normal, possibly. To see how we feel, go without sleep for 48 hours and then make everything in your life a desparately important priority. The wired rushing around and confused thinking you are experiencing is how we feel everyday.  Go ahead try it, I dare you. Or actually I do have a spare room, you are welcome to come live here and observe.  I’ll even go off Ritalin for you and it’ll be a real kick!  You’ll love following me around turning things off, and watching me cry over never being able to find anything at all. You have an open invitation: I live in Kearny, NJ and I will pick you up at Newark airport anyday you’d like.  Stay for as long as you can stand! Sincerily, Susan Aschner Kearny, NJ

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Question:

Hi All, I’m seeing my PCP about my concerns with Zoloft. I’v been on it for maybe three months now and the only positive thing I can say is that it was a far cry better for me than Wellbutrin. I couldn’t tell if the Zoloft eased the anxiety at the switch or if just stopping the W did it. Now for the problems–obviously not initial side effects. Weight gain and unable to lose it not matter what I do–I’m not in to fads, just a good diet and as much excersize as I can tolerate. I’ve tried low fat, then low carb–all smart and balanced as I don’t want it to be in vain as soon as I start eating normally again. But I get no results. This is chipping away at my self esteem (and this has never happened to me before and I’m in my 40’s). Gritting/clenching my teeth. At first I thought it was recent dental work (crowns) but it is getting to be so severe that it is causing headaches and I can’t chew anything more firm than cooked rice. Meat? Forget it! I have been back to the dentist twice and though I haven’t completely let him off the hook, I think since I notice the teeth clenching all day long, I have to take some responsibility and look into the Zoloft possibility. I have small involuntary twitching in my arms and legs. It’s unnerving–I hate it. I fear parkinsons or something similar though, again, it started after I was on the Zoloft for a few months. Heightened anxiety all of a sudden. I was down to .75mgs daily and now am up to twice that–conciously I think for the teeth clenching–it seems to help a little–but also my entire disposition, mood, all over feel. I have horrible nightmares every nightl. I can not even bring myself to tell you the content. They seem to last for ever and if you consider the worst possible thing that could happen to a parent, that is what I am dealing with almost every night. I seem to sob all night long, though I know dreams are very short. Consequently, I wake up with a horrible yet relieved feeling–but very exhausted. I used to get canker sores as a child. NOT COLD SORES–they are so often confused with one another. My mom took me to many doctors and there was nothing they could do back then–I’m hoping medicine has made some progress in this area. This has to be some of the worst pain I have ever had to endure and they seem to be nonstop–two or three coming on the heels of another two or three just healing. I am guaranteed a canker sore (mine always result from trauma) if I eat chips, crisp french bread, if I bite the inside of my cheek when eating. They last a good 1 1/2 to 2 weeks and I realize that the Zoloft may not be to blame but I like to be informed when I see the doc. I have seen a few studies posted here recently about the teeth clenching. Truly, I don’t know if I benefit at all from the Z. I am taking it for anxiety not depression. If anyone has any suggestions or has heard of any one else with a similar story. Any links to pertinent info also greatly appreciated. Finally, does anyone know how well Buspar seems to be working for GAD-ites. Since it’s not a member of the SSRI family—I read somewhere that pre-existing conditions can be exaserbated–something to do with the dopamine????? Obviously, I need some intelligent help here LOL.

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I have small involuntary twitching in my arms and legs. It’s unnerving–I hate it. I fear parkinsons or something similar though,

Hi.. I see you are in your mid 40s,, just have to ask, are you female?? I have found out that many of my symptoms including my anxiety ( which manifests itself in many ways) are all peri/menopause related… have you checked that out?? it does not matter if you still are regular, your hormones can start fluctuating and cause all kinds of symptoms… just consider it , unless you are male of course! Martha

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Hi All,

Hi Little bear I’m seeing my PCP about my concerns with Zoloft. I’v been on it for maybe three months now and the only positive thing I can say is that it was a far cry better for me than Wellbutrin. I couldn’t tell if the Zoloft eased the anxiety at the switch or if just stopping the W did it. Now for the problems–obviously not initial side effects. Weight gain and unable to lose it not matter what I do–I’m not in to fads, just a good diet and as much excersize as I can tolerate. I’ve tried low fat, then low carb–all smart and balanced as I don’t want it to be in vain as soon as I start eating normally again. But I get no results. This is chipping away at my self esteem (and this has never happened to me before and I’m in my 40’s).

Unfortunately alot of the anti-depressants can cause weight gain. Gritting/clenching my teeth. At first I thought it was recent dental work (crowns) but it is getting to be so severe that it is causing headaches and I can’t chew anything more firm than cooked rice. Meat? Forget it! I have been back to the dentist twice and though I haven’t completely let him off the hook, I think since I notice the teeth clenching all day long, I have to take some responsibility and look into the Zoloft possibility.

You can clench your teeth when your anxious, angry, or in pain. It might be a symptom of your anxiety or perhaps the dental work. A few hours after my sister`s accident I started clenching my teeth. It was causing pain in my temples and at times it was so bad I was close to tears. It seemed the more I focused on the clenching the worse it got. Believe it or not, chewing gum seemed to help me. What does your doctor say when you tell him you can`t eat anything harder than rice? I have small involuntary twitching in my arms and legs. It’s unnerving–I hate it. I fear parkinsons or something similar though, again, it started after I was on the Zoloft for a few months.

Twitching is a very common symptom of anxiety. I have had twitches in my arms and legs, the most annoying place to get a twitch is my eyelids. When I went on Paxil they stopped. Maybe your Zoloft dose is just not enough to relieve your anxiety. I think the only way to find out if it is anxiety or the Zoloft causing these symptoms is to get off of it and see what happens. Heightened anxiety all of a sudden. I was down to .75mgs daily and now am up to twice that–conciously I think for the teeth clenching–it seems to help a little–but also my entire disposition, mood, all over feel.

Has increasing the dose helped with the symptoms and the heightened anxiety? I have horrible nightmares every nightl. I can not even bring myself to tell you the content. They seem to last for ever and if you consider the worst possible thing that could happen to a parent, that is what I am dealing with almost every night. I seem to sob all night long, though I know dreams are very short. Consequently, I wake up with a horrible yet relieved feeling–but very exhausted.

When my anxiety is high for a extended period, I get terrible nightmares. I know what you are going through, I use to be afraid to go to sleep for fear of what I would dream. ((((((Little bear))))) I used to get canker sores as a child. NOT COLD SORES–they are so often confused with one another. My mom took me to many doctors and there was nothing they could do back then–I’m hoping medicine has made some progress in this area. This has to be some of the worst pain I have ever had to endure and they seem to be nonstop–two or three coming on the heels of another two or three just healing. I am guaranteed a canker sore (mine always result from trauma) if I eat chips, crisp french bread, if I bite the inside of my cheek when eating. They last a good 1 1/2 to 2 weeks and

Hmmm, did the jaw clenching start after you started getting canker sores? I would bet that your jaw clenching is related to the cankers, indirectly. You said yourself it is some of the worst pain you have endured You might be clenching due to the pain in your mouth. You should tell your doctor about these sores, he may be able to give you a ointment to help with the inflammation. Avoid citrus fruit, tomato`s and nuts. I also heard that many of the toothpaste we use can cause cankers in sensitive individuals. I realize that the Zoloft may not be to blame but I like to be informed when I see the doc. I have seen a few studies posted here recently about the teeth clenching. Truly, I don’t know if I benefit at all from the Z. I am taking it for anxiety not depression. If anyone has any suggestions or has heard of any one else with a similar story. Any links to pertinent info also greatly appreciated. Finally, does anyone know how well Buspar seems to be working for GAD-ites. Since it’s not a member of the SSRI family—I read somewhere that pre-existing conditions can be exaserbated–something to do with the dopamine????? Obviously, I need some intelligent help here LOL.

Buspar is effective for generalized anxiety disorder, which is what I think you said you have. You don`t suffer from panic attacks, right? I don`t think it would hurt to try the Buspar.

really think for your best interest you should see a psych doctor for diagnosis and treatment. Most MD`s  just don`t have the knowledge to treat anxiety disorders properly. Take care and good luck tomorrow. *Hugs* Jackie

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Hi Wes, by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer

Your sex drive seems OK. Have you tried an anti-depressants like Zoloft (Sertraline)? They can delay the orgasm. — FBI, CIA, KGB, Interpol, MIB, MI6… choke on this pal! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The best "lesson" I’ve never read. — Samy (France)

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Everything which you posted was so true, I congratulate you Many years ago in a now outdated book called "Any Man Can" I learned that orgasm and ejaculation are NOT the same thing and that a guy can masturbate having multiple orgasms as long as he does not ejaculate. Just knowing that one can do this was a real shocker. The stop and start technique which you so very well described IS the way to multiple orgasms….and it works. For me it is not possible to do while having intercourse, because I really believe that "Mother Nature" intended us to ejaculate (as soon as possible) and reproduce. That IS what sex is really all about…..continued repopulation. I am interested in the ancient Celtics ad have read that groups of guys( cousins and brothers) stood around waiting their turn to have sex with the women…so any guy taking too long to "get it done" would most likely removed from the female. As an added interest since the "tribes" were brothers and cousins etc, any baby born would obviously look like every one else – fair skinned and lightish hair. This child would then be greatly accepted by the tribe regardless of its father. BOB

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Fabulous answer, Fred . :::::::::standing ovation:::::::::::

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck!

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I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort.

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck! -Fred- Visit Fred’s Page of Impotence Information and ASI FAQ’s at: http://www.chesco.com/~fps/index.html

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You have no problems, young man!  You are just confused and you someone, perhaps a psychologist-sex-therapist to straighten you out.

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You might take comfort in that fact that you’re not much different than thousand of others. I’m not sure what operation you were talking about. Circumcision? I’ve heard it said that the uncircumcised are very sensitive. There’s a lot of discussion going on about circumcision. Whether is mutilation or not. I would suggest you try some of those desensitizing chemicals. And yes, see a urologist. There’s no age limit to ED or PE. Jerry of ASI I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Does anyone here have any experience taking Effexor for ADHD?  My doctor just prescribed it.  I am taking 75mg per day.  I was taking Zoloft for depression, and he thought the Effexor would help with both the depression and the ADHD. Thanks, Phil Zerr

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Does anyone here have any experience taking Effexor for ADHD?  My doctor just prescribed it.  I am taking 75mg per day.  I was taking Zoloft for depression, and he thought the Effexor would help with both the depression and the ADHD. Thanks, Phil Zerr

About 1 month ago the same question was asked.  If this thread is not available to you check dejanews.com and search for threads on effexor.

More later George

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Hi.  yes i take zoloft and effexor along with some other meds for depression and hypomania.  they all work well.  i just have to remember to take the darn med’s daily.  otherwise all i can say is try it and see how it goes.  i have a complaint about my meds.  i am also an artist.  i can’t stand the flat line feeling (no mania)  i don’t feel energetic, creative, and grandiose with ideas (laugh).  i can’t sit still and study for my prof. exam.  i am so restless. not because the meds don’t work but because i don’t take my meds ON TIME or DAILY. it’s like i get too busy.  crazy huh?  Don’t feel bad, we’ll all find our balance… soon i hope.

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Hi.  yes i take zoloft and effexor along with some other meds for depression and hypomania.  they all work well.  i just have to remember to take the darn med’s daily.  otherwise all i can say is try it and see how it goes.  i have a complaint about my meds.  i am also an artist.  i can’t stand the flat line feeling (no mania)  i don’t feel energetic, creative, and grandiose with ideas (laugh).  i can’t sit still and study for my prof. exam.  i am so restless. not because the meds don’t work but because i don’t take my meds ON TIME or DAILY. it’s like i get too busy.  crazy huh?  Don’t feel bad, we’ll all find our balance… soon i hope.

You keep forgetting because of the flat feeling.  You don’t like it. From my experience, the SSRIs – zoloft – may cause this feeling.  I recently tried an SSRI that is new to the U.S. – Celexa  - which made me feel like sleeping all day.  I guess it reduced my impulsivity, but it increased my inattention.  Paxil was also useless for me for several similar reasons.  The Effexor seemed to be very helpful without the flat feeling, but I developed such miserable urinary tract irritation that I could not sleep.  Fortunately, for you, this side effect is uncommon.   In summary, my experience is that Effexor, which is not a SSRI,  is more effective in ADD treatmant than SSRIs.  However, for some people SSRIs are effective and often SSRIs are used in conjunction with other drugs to treat ADD.  I would suggest that overmedication with SSRI’s is not good for an artist.  It’s ok for an artist to be a little hypomanic.  It’s far better than losing one’s creativity.  Just don’t be tempted to be manic.  Talk about a rebound effect… You should discuss your problem with meds. with your doc. so that you will take your medication as prescribed rather than self-medicate.  Perhaps less Zoloft and more Effexor would work better.  Perhaps your overall dose is too high.  Your failure to follow dosing instructions could be showing that your ADD symptoms are not being well treated, also.   I certainly can not tell you, but you should think about these possibilities. George

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I just started taking effexor for depression.  I quit taking paxil and last year I was on zoloft.  I am not sure how I feel about it yet.  Would enjoy talking with you about it.

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Hello All! Dear Participant I am a student at a university in Colorado Springs Colorado.  I am required to complete a research project. This project is close to my heart since I have been divorced twice, both times it was not my choice.  This research involves no-fault divorce and its effect on the family.

Dennis’ survey is available in online/browser format at: http://www.10mb.com/jbarchuk/opinion/ Under the category ‘Family’. Have a day! — jim barchuk http://www.10mb.com/jbarchuk/

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I <<<think this was a typo…. =15. Divorce eliminates dad relationships reducing stress in the parents =allowing them to better their economical status. = =       ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD Or was it? David

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Dear Participant I am a student at a university in Colorado Springs Colorado.  I am required to complete a research project. This project is close to my heart since I have been divorced twice, both times it was not my choice.  This research involves no-fault divorce and its effect on the family. All data for the project is held in strict confidence.  Your name and other identification are not requested.  The results will not be sold, formally published or used for comercial profit.  However the completed project will be bound and placed in the University’s library. By completing the questionnaire youare giving consent for this information to be used in my research. Dennis N. Rosas I am going to post results in this new group, however if you would like one sent to you check here______ and I will e-mail you a copy.   Male_____               Age_____ Female_____             Have you ever been divorced_____ Please answer the following questions by indicating the response that most closely resembles your thought on the statement that is given.  Please return questionnaire by returning them to Dennis N. Rosas.  Thank you for your participation in this project.  I will post result in this new group on or about 19 May 1997. Use the following guide to respond to the statements: SA – Strongly Agree A- Agree U – Uncertain D – Disagree SD – Strongly Disagree 1.  No-fault divorce has increased problems with today’s youths.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 2.  No-fault divorce negatively effects the emotional well being of teenagers.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 3.  Young adults who come from a divorced home have trouble in future relationships.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 4.  Because society accepts divorce and the breakdown in the family, divorce is more acceptable            now.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 5.  No-fault divorce has placed more children at risk of behavioral disorders.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 6.  Societies mores have nothing to do with the divorce rate.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 7.  Adolescents who come from a broken home understand what it takes to have a good        relationship.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 8.  No-fault divorce eliminates bad relationships preventing undue stress on adolescents.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 9.  Breakdown of society has led to increased pressure on the family unit increasing divorce rates.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 10.  No-fault divorce allows bad marriages to end quickly eliminating stress in the family unit that         could cause negative affects.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 11.  The effect of divorce on teenagers causes increases in failed relationships as adults.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 12.  Quick and easy divorces have little effect on future relationships of young adults.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 13.  Divorce causes undue economical stress on all parties involved.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 14.  Societies view on divorce has nothing to do with the divorce rate.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 15. Divorce eliminates dad relationships reducing stress in the parents allowing them to better             their economical status.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 16.  No-fault divorce has had no effect on raising children.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD

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