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Jack and Lorna You were both spot on with your diagnosis I went to my doctor yesterday and he confirmed I had Thrush, he also put me back on Pulmicot and Bricanyl with instructions to return in two weeks when I should have stabalised and he will then reconsider upping my dosage or possibly introducing another pump to go with the others. Thanks again Alan
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The word is "thursh" an’ I sure as hell got it when I first started Pulmicort. Before then I had got away with not rinsing after the other steroids. Now I normally rinse a n d gargle twice religiously after each use. BTW switching from Pulmicort to Beclofort comparable to switching from gin to beer. It jus’ won’t get it. Hope you use a soft cloth surgical mask in the shop.—jack
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Hi everyone I have been reading this NG for some weeks now and have recently experienced a change in my asthma. I am 56 years old and had asthma for 15 years I work in a workshop where there is often dust from polishing motors and chemicals which are used for various processes. As this is my business and I cannot avoid it although I do my best to minimise the effects .
Inhaling metal dust and chemicals can cause many different kinds of lung disease, not just asthma. Well I needed to consult my doctor a week or so ago as my asthma symptoms were causing me more problems than usual ( tight chest and coughing wheezing which refused to get better) I explained to the doctor that I always have a cough and was wondering if perhaps I should consider a change of pumps. At the time I was on Pulmicort and Brycanel she examined my chest and said it was clear but said my blow test showed my asthma was worse than normal and agreed to try me on Salamol instead of Brycanel she also prescribed anti histamine tablets.
Pulmicort is one of the best steroid inhalers; Becloforte is an older weaker one. Antihistamines only help if you have allergies; sounds like your problem may be related to the chemicals and metal dust at work. You may need to improve the air quality at work; chemical fume hoods, air cleaner, masks, ventilation, etc. These tablets gave me many of the side effects mentioned in the instruction sheet so I stopped taking them after three days. Shortly after I was sent to an asthma clinic for a further check-up and the nurse suggested replacing the Pulmicort with Becloforte now since taking these two new pumps I have suffered a sore throat, headache and a feeling of being generally run down to such an extent that I have had to take to my bed for two days. This is most unlike me. I have today decided to returned to my Pulmicort hoping this will rid me of my sore throat and was wondering if any of this strikes a cord with anyone else. Regards Alan UK
You may benefit by a full workup from a chest doctor, including Pulmonary Function Tests and a chest x-ray. You might have ‘walking pneumonia’ or other lung disease, along with the asthma. Ellis
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Hi everyone I have been reading this NG for some weeks now and have recently experienced a change in my asthma. I am 56 years old and had asthma for 15 years I work in a workshop where there is often dust from polishing motors and chemicals which are used for various processes. As this is my business and I cannot avoid it although I do my best to minimise the effects . Well I needed to consult my doctor a week or so ago as my asthma symptoms were causing me more problems than usual ( tight chest and coughing wheezing which refused to get better) I explained to the doctor that I always have a cough and was wondering if perhaps I should consider a change of pumps. At the time I was on Pulmicort and Brycanel she examined my chest and said it was clear but said my blow test showed my asthma was worse than normal and agreed to try me on Salamol instead of Brycanel she also prescribed anti histamine tablets. These tablets gave me many of the side effects mentioned in the instruction sheet so I stopped taking them after three days. Shortly after I was sent to an asthma clinic for a further check-up and the nurse suggested replacing the Pulmicort with Becloforte now since taking these two new pumps I have suffered a sore throat, headache and a feeling of being generally run down to such an extent that I have had to take to my bed for two days. This is most unlike me. I have today decided to returned to my Pulmicort hoping this will rid me of my sore throat and was wondering if any of this strikes a cord with anyone else. Regards Alan UK
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Pulmicourt, once taken, you need to gargle and rinse out your mouth and throat, it can be the cause of your sore throat, it is a steroid and unless you do this, it can cause something called "thrust" so my Dr. says give this a try and see if it helps.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone I have been reading this NG for some weeks now and have recently experienced a change in my asthma. I am 56 years old and had asthma for 15 years I work in a workshop where there is often dust from polishing motors and chemicals which are used for various processes. As this is my business and I cannot avoid it although I do my best to minimise the effects . Well I needed to consult my doctor a week or so ago as my asthma symptoms were causing me more problems than usual ( tight chest and coughing wheezing which refused to get better) I explained to the doctor that I always have a cough and was wondering if perhaps I should consider a change of pumps. At the time I was on Pulmicort and Brycanel she examined my chest and said it was clear but said my blow test showed my asthma was worse than normal and agreed to try me on Salamol instead of Brycanel she also prescribed anti histamine tablets. These tablets gave me many of the side effects mentioned in the instruction sheet so I stopped taking them after three days. Shortly after I was sent to an asthma clinic for a further check-up and the nurse suggested replacing the Pulmicort with Becloforte now since taking these two new pumps I have suffered a sore throat, headache and a feeling of being generally run down to such an extent that I have had to take to my bed for two days. This is most unlike me. I have today decided to returned to my Pulmicort hoping this will rid me of my sore throat and was wondering if any of this strikes a cord with anyone else. Regards Alan UK
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations.
Cal S2700 draws 3.8 amps at 2680 gph at 1 foot head, and costs $280. http://www.calpump.com/prod03.htm Sequence 1000 K3H1.111 draws 1.7 amps at 2590 gph at 4.4 foot head, and costs $375. http://members.aol.com/mdmpumps/pumpspecs.html Operating costs at average US electrical rates ($0.086/ kwh) are $344 and $154 per year for full time use, respectively. (Of course, the waterfall doesn’t have to be run full time; a smaller pump would suffice for filtration and aeration.) This is just an example to illustrate that efficiency is more important than purchase price. In this case, the more expensive pump pays for itself in 6 months operation, and may last longer as well. There are many other brands besides these two. – Rod
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– Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Thanks Rogeer for a lot of good info. I’d like to mention for discussion my experience with pumps so far. In our two ponds that we got when we moved, each had a Little Giant submersible pump. Both eventually started leaking coolant and had to be replaced. They lasted only about 13 months (good work, as they are guaranteed for only a year!). One more lasted about the same. So, I replaced it with an above-ground pool pump with skimmer and filter, and that has done yeoman service, plugging away for two years now with no problem. It cost only a little more than the Little Giant even with skimmer and filter. The dealers I talked with all said those submersible pumps are not designed to work full time without going belly up after about a year. Any others had similar experiences? | NOTE: If you want to e-mail a reply, please strip | | off the letters "OOPS" from my address. | | (Spam preventer) | – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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— Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain,
Depending on how the filter is designed, all pumps mentioned above can draw water off the bottom. I have a Beckett submersible in a gravity-fed filter using the Tetra vacuum bottom drain. ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons: http://jjspond.home.att.net/ ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Hi Gary, I am not familiar with Cal pumps since I was advised years ago to stay away from them. I used Little Giant pumps in the past and found that I never had clear water. If water quality and clear water is your goal you should considered using an outside pump and filter system. There will be people on this NG that will disagree but this is my opinion having used both. Outside filters are allot easier to maintain and outside pumps are really cheap to run 24/7. You may be able to pick up a used pump real cheap. see my filter setup at, good luck. http://sites.netscape.net/guppyusa/homepage I have a 2500 gallon pond, 3 months old, with a Cal 1200 pump. It just doesn’t do the job and I want to upgrade it to make my waterfall more substantial. The pump I choose needs to have an inline connection for the in-pond filter (yes, it’s crummy but it was not my design!). I want something that is cheap to run and, yes, cheap to buy. I was considering the Cal 2700 but would appreciate any advice or recommendations. Thanks, Gary
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Hi Rennie, Welcome Back… It’s great to have you back here where you belong. Between that awful Flu and your server you’ve been absent for some time …. Glad your doctors and your server got it all together … A hearty Welcome to Roger! You know what that means Roger? Bottom line: You are Porg!! You will be assimilated. All efforts to become disentangled will be useless (or something like that ;o) Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6 — Nedra’s Ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hi Gary., I would like to get in on this pump debate. I do not think it is fair to say one specific pump is better than another one. The answer to your question I think is to do your research on pumps before buying one. The pumps can be divided into at least three groups. Submersible (sealed), submersible (magnetic drive) and in line such as a pool pump. The magnetic drive is very inexpensive on power consumption but the trade off is a much lower head or less gallons delivered at higher heights. On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have. The in line pump sitting up out of the pond has many advantages that submersible pumps do not have. Some of the options they offer are , offering the ability to draw water off of the bottom of the pond via a bottom drain, definitely more gallonage per hour at very low power consumption.,as low as .88 amps for 1200 gallons per hour.The thing you want to look at first is how much water do you have to move? A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour. If your pond is under 1000 gallons and you have a small filter sitting out of the pond as part of your watercourse you can check the magnetically driven pumps and they will have a chart describing the gallons pumped at each foot of rise.I think you will find that if you can incorporate a submerged pump that in time you will | Roger Pinette | Ponds Beautiful (604) 534-9133 | http://www.pondsbeautiful.com Roger, welcome to the newsgroup. I’m sure all of us in rec.ponds will benefit from your many years of watergardening and Koi expertise… To the regulars in the NG, this is the gentleman that dropped everything he was doing the day of the vandalism to my pond and rushed out to be of assistance trying to get everything working again. Thank you again Roger for all your help….. Rennie in Abbotsford PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
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PS…ISP finally finished system re-build and put rec.ponds back on newsserver…nice to be back……
Rennie, welcome back, almost had to send the lily fairies after you. Unfortunately many seem to be AWOL from rec.ponds. Time to hit the books & magazines and get more pond related topics going. ;o) ~ jan
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My 300 GPH Little Giant lasted 4 years. I don’t remember the model number but it cost about $60 at Home Depot. I replaced it with the same model and expect to get 4 years from the new one also, It runs 24/7 year round. — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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A small waterfall for example requires 50-60 gallons for every 1 inch wide. so for a waterfall 6 inches wide you would require 300 gallons per hour.
That seems quite low… don’t most sources recommend about 100 gph per inch of sill width? – Rod
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On the plus side the magnetic driven pump has replaceable parts that the sealed submersible doesn’t have.
Are we talking about the same things here? Most people saying ‘magnetic driven’ are talking strictly about Danner’s Supreme Mag-Drive. iirc, that’s an epoxy sealed unit that has about 3 replaceable parts. My ’sealed’ submersible has dozens of replacable parts – including the seals. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html You can’t jail a free man, the best you can do is kill him. – Heinlein
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Is this pretty much normal for coming off Paxil? I took a look at the website you recommended and there seem to be a lot of side effects. I’m asking on behalf of my 10 year old nephew. Today his doctor changed his medication from Paxil to something else (can’t remember – began with an R). He was on 20mg a day and he’s cutting the dose in half for the next three days, then having him take the half dose every other day. His mom is already at the end of her rope and if there are going to be side effects from this, she’s totally unprepared for them.
If you are changing from one antidepressant to another, I don’t think you will have side effects (or they won’t be as bad). NK
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On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off
of
it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad
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have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go
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website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a
period
of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the
medication
without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too
but
not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor
depression
but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution .
I have mixed feelings about the TV advertising. On one level, I’m glad people can see there are options to help them. Educating the public is not a bad thing but I totaly agree that medications (for depression and ADHD) are being doled out more often than they should. I ‘m not a nurse but I’ve worked in the medical field for the past 27 years and I’m always seeing MD’s prescribe psych meds that have no business doing so (i.e regular GPs and gynecologists). I can’t tell you all the ADHD kids I see coming in for pre-medication work ups that could probably benefit from other options rather than medication but that’s the easiest avenue. I had a friend who was a little down and she went to her GYN doc and asked for an antidepressant and he prescribed Effexor! Despite this, I’m still a firm believer in medication under the right circumstances. I was in bad shape at one time and I probably would be dead or severely incapacitated without it. Thank goodness I went to a competant psychiatrist and he was willing to work with me when the time came to come off the Paxil. Some of them out there do not believe in the discontinuation symptoms and make their patients go cold turkey. Brutal! Patients also need to take a little responsibility for their own health by asking questions and reading up on their medications (maybe this is not such a good idea if you have OCD like me). IMO, it all boils down to: how badly is your life being affected by your disorder? I was bad enough that a few side effects were a better option than what I was dealing with. NK
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wrote: "jake" <inva…@invalid.com wrote in message news:kn66bv4osdbnirrfvv944s2q3p5hv98d6g@4ax.com… On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution . I have mixed feelings about the TV advertising. On one level, I’m glad people can see there are options to help them. Educating the public is not a bad thing but I totaly agree that medications (for depression and ADHD) are being doled out more often than they should.
Education of the consumer is critical to any kind of informed consent worth the name. The Sales Departments of multinational drug companies are hardly a suitable institution to undertake this task though.
I ‘m not a nurse but I’ve worked in the medical field for the past 27 years and I’m always seeing MD’s prescribe psych meds that have no business doing so (i.e regular GPs and gynecologists). I can’t tell you all the ADHD kids I see coming in for pre-medication work ups that could probably benefit from other options rather than medication but that’s the easiest avenue. I had a friend who was a little down and she went to her GYN doc and asked for an antidepressant and he prescribed Effexor!
how totally irresponsible .It is probably his standard practice,scribbling a script takes little effort.
Despite this, I’m still a firm believer in medication under the right circumstances. I was in bad shape at one time and I probably would be dead or severely incapacitated without it.
One can never know , of course , but in critical situations of genuine need it has been a boon to many. The problem arise withthe commercial pressures to define more and more circumstances as the "right " ones.
Thank goodness I went to a competant psychiatrist and he was willing to work with me when the time came to come off the Paxil.
Indeed Some of them out there do not believe in the discontinuation
symptoms and make their patients go cold turkey. Brutal!
Completely irresponsible and verging on criminal negligence.. They should be forced to educate themselves before being allowed to prescribe them.
Patients also need to take a little responsibility for their own health by asking questions and reading up on their medications (maybe this is not such a good idea if you have OCD like me).
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Yes it can be so easy to be constantly scanning for signs of dire consequences.. They key perhaps lies with a compentant doctor who actually takes th truble to monitor his patients halth , rather than feeling the problem is soved if the patient goes away with a bottle of pills in their hand and doesn’t return.
IMO, it all boils down to: how badly is your life being affected by your disorder?
of course..
I was bad enough that a few side effects were a better option than what I was dealing with.
The fact that you managed to get off the Paxil will be an inspiration to many who despair of ever being able to. As you know if you are familiar with the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ support site there are those whose experiences with the drug are far more horrific than any complaint they may have been prescribed it for. __ Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life. -Lord Byron http://www.schizoaffective.org/
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which one do you use Great? "Great" <k…@xyz.com
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Which one do you use Great that doesn’t cause it? "Great" <k…@xyz.com
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After eight months without any problem it’s a pretty safe bet. Any impotence I experience is going to be for other reasons. "jake" <inva…@invalid.com
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On Sat, 03 May 2003 10:27:24 GMT, "Roger" <roge…@hotmail.com wrote: There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it. well dont tempt fate ..It has not as yet
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Bupropion doesn’t cause it. Ritalin doesn’t cause it. Deprynl also doesn’t cause it. "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com
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wrote: There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it.
well dont tempt fate ..It has not as yet In response to the original posters query,there is no doubt whatsoever that impotence is a commonly observed adverse reaction, and it is misleading to suggest otherwise Commonly Observed Adverse Reactions: http://www.effexor-xr-side-effects-withdrawal.com/adverse-effects-eff… The most commonly observed adverse events associated with the use of venlafaxine (incidence of 5% or greater) and not seen at an equivalent incidence among placebo-treated patients (i.e., incidence for venlafaxine at least twice that for placebo), derived from the 1% incidence Table III, were asthenia, sweating, nausea, constipation, anorexia, vomiting, somnolence, dry mouth, dizziness nervousness, anxiety, tremor, blurred vision, and abnormal ejaculation/orgasm and impotence in men. __ The long term effects could be far more drastic http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/antidepr… But perhaps the most troubling problem with the newer drugs is that no one is sure just what their long-term effects might be. There are some new, troubling reports that Effexor may cause tardive dyskinesia, a movement disorder that may be permanent, involving writhing, wormlike movements of the body, lips, and tongue. But many chronically depressed people say they don’t care. They’re willing to pay the price of future uncertainty to buy freedom from depression today.
"Great" <k…@xyz.com wrote in message news:b90428$e7ruh$1@ID-189619.news.dfncis.de… There is no doubt about this fact. It causes impotense. "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com wrote in message news:5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA
"When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore
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There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it. "Great" <k…@xyz.com
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wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot.
sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution . Of course in most advanced countries other than the USA , such activities are in fact illegal.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
"jake" <inva…@invalid.com wrote in message news:2qe4bvsohuqflnkqf52m7o7743v1knghcv@4ax.com… On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:22:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com wrote: "kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore
"When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore
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X-No-Archive: Yes On Fri, 02 May 2003 10:41:44 +0100, jake <inva…@invalid.com wrote: <snip Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! I had terrible sides from Effexor XR; after only 6 weeks I’d lost 9kg – a lot for someone of my build. Some 5% of people develop anorexia – not something you normally associate with 47 y.o. males, but I got it. I had no energy, no stamina, could barely get out of bed and lost *all* interest in food. If I hadn’t realised what was going on – and a mate hadn’t visited a few times and said I was looking *really* sick & gaunt I may have ended up in hospital or dead. I put a post on the newsgroup and got quite a few emails from people who’ve had terrible side’s from Effexor XR. There is an excellent page run by a woman called Belynda with stories about bad times from Effexor & Effexor XR; the URL is: <http://members.tripod.com/~BWarner/effexor.html. The page is called "Effexor Withdrawal" and gives a brief description of her own Effexor history, as well as comments by people who have had trouble with it – believe it or not, these pages of people’s troubles run for 480-odd pages: quite a few problems.
Oh well it seems to have gone, unfortunately.. I am not too suprised there were so many complaints it is the No 2 drug for withdrawal problems __ Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life. -Lord Byron http://www.schizoaffective.org/
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I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. NK
Is this pretty much normal for coming off Paxil? I took a look at the website you recommended and there seem to be a lot of side effects. I’m asking on behalf of my 10 year old nephew. Today his doctor changed his medication from Paxil to something else (can’t remember – began with an R). He was on 20mg a day and he’s cutting the dose in half for the next three days, then having him take the half dose every other day. His mom is already at the end of her rope and if there are going to be side effects from this, she’s totally unprepared for them.
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I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. NK "jake" <inva…@invalid.com
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On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:22:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com wrote: "kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how
effexor
xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and
while
it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual
feelings/thoughts
either. This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to
embrace a
pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to
the
harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore
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"kevin" wrote in message …
Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me.
Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent.
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"kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects,
Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! it’s not like the loss of libido
is permanent.
"When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore
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Prozac didn’t affect my sex drive at all but everyone is different. Taking antidepressants is like a crap shootas far as side effects are concerned. Don’t refuse to take it on the possibility you *might* have a certain side effect because maybe it won’t happen. I’ve tried several, several antidepressants before I found one I was able to stay on for 13 years. I recently weaned off of them but if I need to take them again, I will. I’ve learned to try them out for a few weeks and see what happens before I pass judgement. If the side effects are intolerable, then I try something else. NK "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com
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Has definitely not caused me any sexual side effects. "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net
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I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA
Many antidepressant, Effexor among them, can cause all sorts of sexual dysfunction. There are some ways around it. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/medsdysfunction Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees?
Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect. I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it. My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened. Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely. You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.
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Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me. "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com
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"kevin" wrote in message <5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is
this
true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect. I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it. My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened. Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely. You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.
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I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA
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Don’t know much about Effexor, but isn’t that an SNRI, like Strattera? I’m not sure. I can tell you that I’m currently taking Celexa (which is an SSRI), and that has had some pretty negative sexual side effects. Like taking an hour to masturbate (delayed ejaculation is a side effect). Sheesh. I’m also taking Strattera (again, an SNRI), which I started a few weeks after the Celexa, and I can’t say that it has made the sexual side effects any better or worse. The only anti-depressent that I’m aware of that doesn’t seem to have any negative sexual side effects is Wellbutrin. But it can make you feel jittery, which can make any anxiety problems worse. Mike "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com
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Most ADs including Effexor frequently cause sexual dysfunction. However it’s very individualistic — some men aren’t affected by some drugs, or only at higher dosages. But as a general statement, yes most ADs affect many men this way. The exceptions are Mirtazapine (Remeron), and Bupropion (Wellbutrin). — Joe D.
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It definitely caused me sexual side effects NK "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com
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