It seems like all the doctors are the same way with where they put the blame. As far as they see it, the meds don’t have any bad effects. My doctor is that way.
Get a new doctor. Chris Owens
Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago. Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately). Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times. I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase. What a drag! Have you experienced any muscle weakness? My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine.
Steroid use can cause upper limb weakness, both legs and arms. I lift weights and take potassium and calcium suppliments to counter this. Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N
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Hello- your dose of flovent is VERY SMALL. I doubt it would cause those problems. Most of us complaining/talking about it are on 220, at least twice a day, sometimes four. Remember to use a spacer and rinse/garble your mouth out well after you take it, it can never hurt. -jenny I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N
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Yes I have noticed muscle weakness!! I am going back to 2 puffs of Flovent, and like I said, I have cut out Serevent. I have just added Intal also, which I hope will help. My doctor does the same thing, but enough people here have written about all these side effects to prove to me it is the medicine. I have NEVER had cramps and muscle weakness in my life, I am 32 and healthy otherwise. And I have had all the strange symptoms for the past 8 months, the exact amount of time I was put on all these asthma drugs. So that is my proof. I am hoping to get some good results from the Intal so I can reduce the Flovent and maybe get off of it all together. So you aren’t alone, your symptoms go along with my theory anyway. Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago. Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately). Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times. I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase. What a drag! Have you experienced any muscle weakness? My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N
It seems like all the doctors are the same way with where they put the blame. As far as they see it, the meds don’t have any bad effects. My doctor is that way. But even though he thinks that way, I got my second VERY BAD cramp in my calf last night while I was sleeping. This is the second one since I started Flovent and Serevent. (And I have only had one other leg cramp in my life 5 years ago) Something has to give. Shannon
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago. Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately). Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times. I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase. What a drag! Have you experienced any muscle weakness? My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N
I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N
Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago. Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately). Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times. I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase. What a drag! Have you experienced any muscle weakness? My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N
Is there any research indicating that Singulair can have a beneficial effect for people with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease? I’ve asked my doctor, an internist with a subspecialty in pulmonology, about this, and he was doubtful that the drug would be helpful to me. Since the various "classic" asthma meds are used in treating COPD symptoms, it seems strange that the anti-leukotrienes (and Singulair, in particular) have not been recommended by the drug mfrs. [I posted this question to this list several months ago. I'm asking it again, on the outside chance that there is possibly some new data available.] — Neal Blank http://p3.net/~nealb/
I am just taking a guess from what I know about Singulair. I am sure If I am way off base here aleast one of you will correct me. Singulair, goes after the chemical that at the root of the problem causes the bronchial spasms. By stopping the spasms there will be less inflammation, in turn lessing the asthma attacks. Bronchistis, and emphysema are due to inflamed bronchial tubes, but are not caused by the spasms that causes the inflammations of asthma, so Singulair will not help. I am not sure if I am right but, this may (or may not)help.
Is there any research indicating that Singulair can have a beneficial effect for people with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease? I’ve asked my doctor, an internist with a subspecialty in pulmonology, about this, and he was doubtful that the drug would be helpful to me. Since the various "classic" asthma meds are used in treating COPD symptoms, it seems strange that the anti-leukotrienes (and Singulair, in particular) have not been recommended by the drug mfrs. [I posted this question to this list several months ago. I'm asking it again, on the outside chance that there is possibly some new data available.]
No I don’t think there is any data available. I note that in the UK the drug is only licensed for asthma. However, I have COPD with a ‘reversible componant’, which means that I respond to corticosteroid therapy with an improvement in PF and FEV1. I also respond to bronchodilators. Call this asthma if you like, and yes I have been perscribed Singulair and yes it seems to have definitely improved things for me. I have now just finished the first months treatment and the improvement I felt within days of taking it seems to have been maintained. Yesterday was the *first day for over ten years* that I have not used a single puff of Ventolin 
If you can persuade them to let you have it I would say it is worth a try. Regards Rob Remove the spam from address if replying by email
I am just taking a guess from what I know about Singulair. I am sure If I am way off base here aleast one of you will correct me. Singulair, goes after the chemical that at the root of the problem causes the bronchial spasms. By stopping the spasms there will be less inflammation, in turn lessing the asthma attacks. Bronchistis, and emphysema are due to inflamed bronchial tubes, but are not caused by the spasms that causes the inflammations of asthma, so Singulair will not help. I am not sure if I am right but, this may (or may not)help.
Not wrong, but an oversimplification. Yes, LTD is a potent broncho-constrictor. BUt it appears to be having at least mild anti-inflammatory effects at least in mild to moderate asthmatics. THe reasons arent clear yet, but bronchospasm can lead to secondary release of mediators (prostaglandin D, Thromboxane A, cytokines, etc) which ARE inflammatory. If LTD even partially inhibits the release of such mediators from mast cells, eosinophils etc, it would have anti-inflammatory effects. BUT – *I* don’t know of any evidence that LTD is a precipitating agent in COPD. If it’s not a major player in that disease, SIngulair/Accolate’s impact is likely to be far less than in asthma. To date, there are no scientific studies of the question. Both LTE and LTB (a leukotriene NOT targeted by Accolate/Singulair) have been shown to be elevated in COPD, but whether reducing that elevation has any effect in the disease doesnt appear to have been studied. IF LTB is importand, COPD may be better treated with Zyflo than with the LT-RAs.
Yes, but being a ‘learned scholar’ in one particular area does not mean that your ADVICE will help everyone…which ends up giving out misinformation to patients who are suffering. So instead of expounding on what your career ‘used to be’ and college degree, just try and be compassionate to share what works for you…. it may NOT work for others. The mouthwash DOES NOT do a thing for my thrush….good old mycostatin, and meds does it for me…. I was a Med/Tech writer editor for 20yrs. but in Radiation Oncology, does that mean I can give advice on curing cancerous lymphomas? I also went to the garage several times, does that make me a mechanic? LOL Just trying to lighten the mood. thanks
try using mouth wash( the kind that kills bacteria). take a swig and hold it in your mouth for as long as you can then spit it out. this will be a little uncomfortable but it helps
Dear Carrie, I had the same problem with the pulmocort and I think you are right about the delivery system. I rinsed my mouth out faithfully after each use and still had thrush. I would go off the pulmicort and get the thrush cleared up and go back on it, the thrush would be back within a week. I finally changed to flovent with the airchamber and have not had any problems. Pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a MDI and aerochamber and I rinse my mouth out with water after using my Flovent inhaler. Ever since I started doing that, I haven’t gotten thrush since. I don’t know if you have been doing the same, but it has helped me. Carrie I am very upset and miserable. I have thrush again, due to my inhaler. I am on Pulmicort Turbo inhaler. I don’t know if my theory holds any water, but I wondered if I switched to a different mode of delivery….back to a metered dose inhaler…I might not get this thrush as often. With the aero-chamber and a metered dose inhaler I might be able to get it past my tongue better. I have only been on Azmacort and Pulmi-cort. Does Pulmicort come in a metered dose Inhaler? If not, which one would you recommend? Thanks so much DOn * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
do not use a mouth wash that kills bacteria. Thrush is caused by a fungus if you kill the bacteria that normally live in your mouth the naturally occurring fungus will be able to gain a stronger hold on the mucousal surfaces of your mouth and the thrush will become worse.
This information is correct. Antifungal therapy, spacers, mouth rinsing/gargling with water-(try warm water not cold- could solubilize it better), weeker steroid inhalers (I was switched from flovent to azmacort even though i hohum about it for many reasons)..these are ways to avoid/get rid of thrush. Chilla (the Candida biologist turned science writer)
I know this information is correct. I’m a microbiologist as well;-)
BTW, hansen’t a gene been identified that produces a susceptibility to yeast infections? I wonder if (assuming an easy and inexpensive test were available) we could identify if any particular person was more likely to develop thrush? "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find." General Colin Powell
I know this information is correct. I’m a microbiologist as well;-)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – do not use a mouth wash that kills bacteria. Thrush is caused by a fungus if you kill the bacteria that normally live in your mouth the naturally occurring fungus will be able to gain a stronger hold on the mucousal surfaces of your mouth and the thrush will become worse. This information is correct. Antifungal therapy, spacers, mouth rinsing/gargling with water-(try warm water not cold- could solubilize it better), weeker steroid inhalers (I was switched from flovent to azmacort even though i hohum about it for many reasons)..these are ways to avoid/get rid of thrush. Chilla (the Candida biologist turned science writer)
Yes, the mouthwash helped me a bit, temporarily,,,but didnt relieve the horrible pain, peeling, and tenderness of MY thrush; so always end up telling my doc to call in a prescription of "Nystatin" (mycostatin) oral rinse….swish and swallow, boy, does it do the trick for me in two days!!! Just thought this may help those that dont get relef from the home remedies. thanks.
I am very upset and miserable. I have thrush again, due to my inhaler. I am on Pulmicort Turbo inhaler. I don’t know if my theory holds any water, but I wondered if I switched to a different mode of delivery….back to a metered dose inhaler…I might not get this thrush as often. With the aero-chamber and a metered dose inhaler I might be able to get it past my tongue better. I have only been on Azmacort and Pulmi-cort. Does Pulmicort come in a metered dose Inhaler? If not, which one would you recommend? Thanks so much DOn * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
As far as I know, Pulmicort does not come as a MDI, which is why I’m resisting agains my Doc switching me over to it. I believe that Flovent is just as good, but you would have to ask a doc about that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am very upset and miserable. I have thrush again, due to my inhaler. I am on Pulmicort Turbo inhaler. I don’t know if my theory holds any water, but I wondered if I switched to a different mode of delivery….back to a metered dose inhaler…I might not get this thrush as often. With the aero-chamber and a metered dose inhaler I might be able to get it past my tongue better. I have only been on Azmacort and Pulmi-cort. Does Pulmicort come in a metered dose Inhaler? If not, which one would you recommend? Thanks so much DOn * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
I use a MDI and aerochamber and I rinse my mouth out with water after using my Flovent inhaler. Ever since I started doing that, I haven’t gotten thrush since. I don’t know if you have been doing the same, but it has helped me. Carrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am very upset and miserable. I have thrush again, due to my inhaler. I am on Pulmicort Turbo inhaler. I don’t know if my theory holds any water, but I wondered if I switched to a different mode of delivery….back to a metered dose inhaler…I might not get this thrush as often. With the aero-chamber and a metered dose inhaler I might be able to get it past my tongue better. I have only been on Azmacort and Pulmi-cort. Does Pulmicort come in a metered dose Inhaler? If not, which one would you recommend? Thanks so much DOn * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
do not use a mouth wash that kills bacteria. Thrush is caused by a fungus if you kill the bacteria that normally live in your mouth the naturally occurring fungus will be able to gain a stronger hold on the mucousal surfaces of your mouth and the thrush will become worse. For what it’s worth I very rarely have trouble with thrush, despite being permanently on oral steroids as well as very high dose inhaled and when I do get it eating natural yoghurt helps heaps.
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Added benefits of pre-surgery: bone scan and cat scan. Bone scan found my arthritis (I could have told them), cat scan found a an unknown, unexplained lurker in my gut: a leiomyoma, which is a benign intestinal tumor. One out of 15 are discovered before autopsy… Mine was 5 * 7 * 10 cc; described as the size of a baby’s head. Leiomyoma was removed at the same time as the Prostate
John, Wow ….. What a break. Bet you never thought you’d say you were "lucky" to get PCa!! What’s the deal with that leiomyoma? Could it have grown and caused blockage problems down the road? Oh, my congrats on Mr. Happy. I hope to be posting the same info soon. Tom RRP 12/12/02
What’s the deal with that leiomyoma? Could it have grown and caused blockage problems down the road? Tom RRP 12/12/02
Yeah. It WAS causing problems, and as I think back, it was leaking a bit of blood. Eventually it would have been found without killing me first 
) I’m glad that my trusty Urologist was following the instruction manual for dealing with PCa. He said that he liked to do the CAT scan because once in a while he picked up a kidney cancer. He found garbage in my case, but, as Ripley says in the first Alien Movie, "lucky-lucky-lucky." John. —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—
What’s the deal with that leiomyoma? Could it have grown and caused blockage problems down the road? Tom RRP 12/12/02
oh … and the surgeon who put my gut back together said that the leiomyoma tumors are slow-growing. It would take several years to get to the size of a golf-ball. I guess that sucker was in there for 20-30 years getting bigger and bigger ) I was one of those ‘interesting cases.’ John. —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—
Hi, John….. I was relieved of my prostate on November 21…. so in two days, I am expecting to see Mr. Happy standing at attention. ) Thanks for sharing your success with recovery. It’s the one thing left I keep hoping for! I don’t see it happening anytime soon….. unless it’s just a change *overnight*. Take care… and use it well….. MikeH
Well, I think it comes and goes… That’s what I’ve read on the news group, and that seems to be the case with me. But as the coach said, if you can run a 4 minute mile once, you can do it again. Just keep practicing and don’t loose heart ) John. —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—
Hi, John….. I was relieved of my prostate on November 21…. so in two days, I am expecting to see Mr. Happy standing at attention. ) Thanks for sharing your success with recovery. It’s the one thing left I keep hoping for! I don’t see it happening anytime soon….. unless it’s just a change *overnight*. Take care… and use it well….. MikeH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was relieved of the prostate 11/18/2002. Started out with one or two pads, but was down to one pad after a week. Quit the pads on the weekends about 2 months post op, and went work on a Monday at about 3 months, forgetting the pad (as it worked for Dumbo, it worked for me ;o), but I did not need the crows to tell me that I could fly.) The ‘one thing’ that had been old-reliable since 18 months did not function… I got a script of vitamin V as my kindly Urologist refers to it… No blue vision, occasional headaches, and a pathetic boner (like Harry Potter: no bone, but flexible) Was also taking an anti-depressant (Paxil) classed as SSRI, widely known by pharmacists and psychatrists as a doggie-downer; anti-depressant was to treat the lump in the throat that developed concomitant with the dx of prostate cancer. Changed to Lexapro, a less potent SSRI anti-depressant, but still no cigar ;o) On the advise of a pharmacist friend, skipped the Lexapro last night and bingo-bongo-sproingo. Not quite Mr Happy, but certainly not mister Jell-O: it was insertion quality for sure.
hi john – thanks for the progress report. that’s pretty quick recovery for my happy. i hope to be so lucky. it’s interesting, you mention that you had such a large prostate. mine was about 30cc. but FELT like 65cc. reminds you of the joke. oh, it’s six on hand. no, it’s five on one hand. then when you get on the table and the doctor sticks his hand up there. you know, it feels like six on one hand ~ curtis knowledge is power – growing old is mandatory – growing wise is optional
Was also taking an anti-depressant (Paxil) classed as SSRI, widely known by pharmacists and psychatrists
as a doggie-downer; anti-depressant was to treat the lump in the throat that developed concomitant with the dx of prostate cancer. Changed to Lexapro, a less potent SSRI anti-depressant, but still no cigar ;o) On the advise of a pharmacist friend, skipped the Lexapro last night and bingo-bongo-sproingo. Not quite Mr Happy, but certainly not mister Jell-O: it was insertion quality for sure. Now to get off the SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) and
onto a different anti-depressant. Happy to hear that both you and Mr. Happy are happy……as that side of things is not in my sphere of experience…..grin!! As to SSRI drugs, I know a lot about them because my daughter has a serotonin deficiency and has to take them. There are roughly 30 different brands, of which Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Welbutrin, and Luvox are the more well known ones. They are all newer derivatives of Prozac to my knowledge, but our good doctor on this group can better inform you. E. has been on Luvox (horrible fatigue), Welbutrin (stopped working) and now Effexor, which is working quite well as it attacks the problem from a different angle. And each one worked for about 2 years, then she had to switch. And every darn one of them has a lot of side effects!! So speak to your doctor…….or better yet, your pharmacist…..and see if there isn’t one that won’t be a ‘doggie downer’. E. does not have that problem (G). But as these SSRI drugs seem to be for chemical deficiencies, perhaps there is a totally different anti-depressant that will do in the meantime, that won’t interfere with Mr. Happy. Just my 2 Cdn. cents worth……and if you can manage without them…..go for it. I refuse to take any myself at the moment and am doing OK without them. If I need a pill temporarily, I will certainly take one though. My rant on here last week got rid of a lot of it…..grin. (thanks, people) The way I look at it is that ‘depression’ is a not an abnormal thing when life is tough, and unless it *really* interferes with your enjoyment of life, it will get better on its own. I am not a doctor…..but on the flip side, I have seen the amazing difference in E’s life and also my sister’s……as she is battling the same Cheers…….Heather – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Way to go, John You just keep on smiling. We will know why. Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it was insertion quality for sure. Mr. Happy is the better anti-depressant. You’d better believe it. They can’t chisel the slight smile off my face today ) John. — Steve Kramer PSA 16 10/17/2000 Dx 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 Radiation MAY – JUL 2002 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption
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it was insertion quality for sure. Mr. Happy is the better anti-depressant.
You’d better believe it. They can’t chisel the slight smile off my face today ) John. — Steve Kramer PSA 16 10/17/2000 Dx 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 Radiation MAY – JUL 2002 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21
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The ‘one thing’ that had been old-reliable since 18 months did not function… I got a script of vitamin V as my kindly Urologist refers to it… No blue vision, occasional headaches, and a pathetic boner (like Harry Potter: no bone, but flexible) Was also taking an anti-depressant (Paxil) classed as SSRI, widely known by pharmacists and psychatrists as a doggie-downer; anti-depressant was to treat the lump in the throat that developed concomitant with the dx of prostate cancer. Changed to Lexapro, a less potent SSRI anti-depressant, but still no cigar ;o) On the advise of a pharmacist friend, skipped the Lexapro last night and bingo-bongo-sproingo. Not quite Mr Happy, but certainly not mister Jell-O: it was insertion quality for sure.
Mr. Happy is the better anti-depressant. — Steve Kramer PSA 16 10/17/2000 Dx 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 Radiation MAY – JUL 2002 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21
I was relieved of the prostate 11/18/2002. Started out with one or two pads, but was down to one pad after a week. Quit the pads on the weekends about 2 months post op, and went work on a Monday at about 3 months, forgetting the pad (as it worked for Dumbo, it worked for me ;o), but I did not need the crows to tell me that I could fly.) The ‘one thing’ that had been old-reliable since 18 months did not function… I got a script of vitamin V as my kindly Urologist refers to it… No blue vision, occasional headaches, and a pathetic boner (like Harry Potter: no bone, but flexible) Was also taking an anti-depressant (Paxil) classed as SSRI, widely known by pharmacists and psychatrists as a doggie-downer; anti-depressant was to treat the lump in the throat that developed concomitant with the dx of prostate cancer. Changed to Lexapro, a less potent SSRI anti-depressant, but still no cigar ;o) On the advise of a pharmacist friend, skipped the Lexapro last night and bingo-bongo-sproingo. Not quite Mr Happy, but certainly not mister Jell-O: it was insertion quality for sure. Now to get off the SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) and onto a different anti-depressant. Physical Specs: Age 60, fairly good health, Gleason was about 6, 1Tc (or whatever the arragement of letters and numbers is) psa between 3.75 and just over 4.0 at time of discovery. Large prostate at 65 cc, one core out of 12 positive (but with a prostate the size of a large lemon/small grapefruit, finding the CA in that haystack was luck). Added benefits of pre-surgery: bone scan and cat scan. Bone scan found my arthritis (I could have told them), cat scan found a an unknown, unexplained lurker in my gut: a leiomyoma, which is a benign intestinal tumor. One out of 15 are discovered before autopsy… Mine was 5 * 7 * 10 cc; described as the size of a baby’s head. Leiomyoma was removed at the same time as the Prostate; was in the hospital for 6 days, and gained 20 pounds of water weight. With a grandfather who died of prostate cancer at age 65, early detection is a good thing in my case… My 20 cents. John. —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—
*and I just wondered because his symptoms just didn’t fit the disease. Well it *may turn out that he has something called Essential Tremor. 60 percent of all *senior citizens have it in one degree or another. We won’t know for sure until *his current doctor tests him for it. There are no tests for essential tremor. It’s a diagnosis of exclusion, based on history and ruling out other causes of tremor. — "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." newly minted veterinarian-at-large
There are no tests for essential tremor. It’s a diagnosis of exclusion,
based on history and ruling out other causes of tremor. << Thanks for the info. I had no idea. Oh well, I hope the new doctor can rule out Parkinsons. Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.
My father and I went on a weekend vacation to visit his brother and wife. <<
And my brother in the Marine Corps called Thursday to inform us he is coming home for a visit of about 5 days then he goes back to being over seas for 2 months. My dad is so happy. I hope he stays in this good mood for awhile. He is so nice to be around right now. Not stressing out over anything. The only thing that gets me is why to our house. You think he’d want to go visit the wife and kids. On the other hand the kids are pretty energetic and I’m sure the wife has a few bones to pick with him so maybe he is ducking and running. Either way can hardly wait for his visit. Good thing I spent the last few months house cleaning. I hope he can find his way around. <g Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My father and I went on a weekend vacation to visit his brother and wife. We left last Friday morning and came home Sunday afternoon. It was so enjoyable to see my dad laughing and having a good time. Saturday he and his brother went golfing and as girls usually do, we went to the mall. Beautiful weather made the days so much more enjoyable. I almost hated to leave. I think we both put on at least 5 pounds each. Now if you think that was the good news you are soooo mistaken. The good news is my dad has a very sharp SIL. She was commenting on how my dad shakes as do all the men in his family. Brothers deceased and two still living. His dad had tremors also. Anyhoo my dads previous doctor diagnosed him with Parkinsons and I just wondered because his symptoms just didn’t fit the disease. Well it may turn out that he has something called Essential Tremor. 60 percent of all senior citizens have it in one degree or another. We won’t know for sure until his current doctor tests him for it. Okay so the weekend was good…well sort of. We found out my dads brother is in the early stages of AD, although my uncle flatly refuses to believe he has it. My uncle was a Navy career man (20+years) who travelled all over the world in his military days. Sharp as a tack and very kind.. They have have 4 adult children who can help…one living nearby. Two are nurses one retired to raise a family one practicing so hopefully they can give info, advice or whatever is needed and she knows I am available whenever she needs to talk. I’ve mentioned this newsgroup and gave her the muggsmulcher ad faq URL. Well I am rambling on so I better shut up for now and get back to watching McLoud. A tv series from years ago. Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.
Dear Mo,I work in a NH and also do hairdressing for the elderly (My first profession)one of my ladies has the tremors as you describe quite common with the Elderly and her Dr prescribed Brandy with a mixer of choice for this!! she says it helps I just knew my Brandy and cokes were for a good reasonLOL. Hope you have a positive finding on your results for this one. Kind Regards Michelle
My father and I went on a weekend vacation to visit his brother and wife. We left last Friday morning and came home Sunday afternoon. It was so enjoyable to see my dad laughing and having a good time. Saturday he and his brother went golfing and as girls usually do, we went to the mall. Beautiful weather made the days so much more enjoyable. I almost hated to leave. I think we both put on at least 5 pounds each. Now if you think that was the good news you are soooo mistaken. The good news is my dad has a very sharp SIL. She was commenting on how my dad shakes as do all the men in his family. Brothers deceased and two still living. His dad had tremors also. Anyhoo my dads previous doctor diagnosed him with Parkinsons and I just wondered because his symptoms just didn’t fit the disease. Well it may turn out that he has something called Essential Tremor. 60 percent of all senior citizens have it in one degree or another. We won’t know for sure until his current doctor tests him for it. Okay so the weekend was good…well sort of. We found out my dads brother is in the early stages of AD, although my uncle flatly refuses to believe he has it. My uncle was a Navy career man (20+years) who travelled all over the world in his military days. Sharp as a tack and very kind.. They have have 4 adult children who can help…one living nearby. Two are nurses one retired to raise a family one practicing so hopefully they can give info, advice or whatever is needed and she knows I am available whenever she needs to talk. I’ve mentioned this newsgroup and gave her the muggsmulcher ad faq URL. Well I am rambling on so I better shut up for now and get back to watching McLoud. A tv series from years ago. Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.
Hello, Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support.
Dear Mike, Please don`t increase your Paxil dose by 20 mgs, that is a huge increase at one time and there is a chance you will experience really uncomfortable side-effects. People with anxiety disorders need to start at a low dose and wean slowly. It is best to increase your dose in 5mg increments. It took me 6 weeks to go from 5 mgs to 20 mgs on Paxil, I can`t imagine a 20mg increase at one time Take care!! Jackie
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support. Dear Mike, Please don`t increase your Paxil dose by 20 mgs, that is a huge increase at one time and there is a chance you will experience really uncomfortable side-effects. People with anxiety disorders need to start at a low dose and wean slowly. It is best to increase your dose in 5mg increments. It took me 6 weeks to go from 5 mgs to 20 mgs on Paxil, I can`t imagine a 20mg increase at one time Take care!! Jackie
Jackie, as usual, is quite right here! Philip
Mike, I agree with the other replies, don’t initially take the full 20 mgs. If nothing else, at least cut it in half. I hope you are able to get some sleep… smiles, elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support. Cheers, Mike Mike, Hope your appt goes well and do let us know how it goes… smiles, elise Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM
Hi All, I have been taking Paxil for about a month and a half, and have a good started taking Paxil, I was taking 75mg of Amitriptilene for a number of months before I started taking Paxil. I was taking Amitriptilene for IBS, but my symptoms had gotten so bad, that the doctor put me on Paxil, and a few weeks later told me it was all right to stop taking the Amitriptilene. There was no tapering down, or anything. Last week, I started waking at night for no reason, and then the symptoms got so bad. I now have a feeling of "impending doom" and I am so fatigued, irritable, etc. Is this normal? Is one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? I would expect some minor discomfort, for a few days, and that is a maybe, but these feelings are horrible. Any ideas? Should I wait a few more days, before caling the doctor? Many thanks in advance. Cheers, Mike
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I have been taking Paxil for about a month and a half, and have a good started taking Paxil, I was taking 75mg of Amitriptilene for a number of months before I started taking Paxil. I was taking Amitriptilene for IBS, but my symptoms had gotten so bad, that the doctor put me on Paxil, and a few weeks later told me it was all right to stop taking the Amitriptilene. There was no tapering down, or anything. Last week, I started waking at night for no reason, and then the symptoms got so bad. I now have a feeling of "impending doom" and I am so fatigued, irritable, etc. Is this normal? Is one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? I would expect some minor discomfort, for a few days, and that is a maybe, but these feelings are horrible. Any ideas? Should I wait a few more days, before caling the doctor? Many thanks in advance. Cheers, Mike
I’d call your doc today, and try to get some relief. Chip
one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene?
yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM
Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM
Mike, Hope your appt goes well and do let us know how it goes… smiles, elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM
Hello, Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support. Cheers, Mike
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, Hope your appt goes well and do let us know how it goes… smiles, elise Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM
For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos.
Mike, you already do. Diazepam (Valium) and other benzodiazepine type chemicals are in every mouthful of food you eat. Ian
I took Zoloft for 2 days, I had very little sleep and completely horrifying dreams when I did get to sleep. I felt really shaky and nervous as well. I thought I would be nuts in a week if I would have stayed on. It affects people very differently!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Hi Julie! I wish I could help you with the Zoloft question. I just wanted to welcome you to a very caring group!!! Hugs, Di
Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
HI Julie, Call your prescribing doctor but I don’t see what it would hurt weaning on at say 12.5 for a few days then upping the dose. Sometimes the side effects are just increased anxiety over taking the med. What do you mean by Zoned out? Hope you are feeling better. Hugs Charla —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance.
It’s best to start at 12.5mg with Z if you have anxiety problems. It’s difficult to know what to say about your side effects, though. It can cause nausea, but I’m not sure what you mean by "zoned out" though it must have been serious to go to the hospital. Make sure you describe in detail what happened to your psychiatrist. If you give the ng better details on the side effects you may get better advice. Best of luck to you, Matt
Thanks!It really helps to know there are people here who can relate to how I feel.Well after only 3 days my dr. took me off Zoloft.My body couldn’t handle the side-effects.I feel really disappointed because I’ve heard others have good results from this.He said we would try something different in about a week.Any ideas on something that may be better for me? Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Thanks!It really helps to know there are people here who can relate to how I feel.Well after only 3 days my dr. took me off Zoloft.My body couldn’t handle the side-effects.I feel really disappointed because I’ve heard others have good results from this.He said we would try something different in about a week.Any ideas on something that may be better for me?
There are lots of possibilities. Another SSRI like Celexa would be a possibility. If one SSRI doesn’t work another might. It may be augmented by a benzo like (preferably IMO) Xanax. But if you try Celexa start at *5 mg* and no more. I am not totally convinced that you wouldn’t be able to benefit from Zoloft if it had been administered in the right low dose but Celexa works as well and supposedly has a lower side effect profile. There are many other possibilites: a TCA like imipramine, desipramine etc. preferably in a combo with a benzo, or newer AD’s like especially Effexor. Etc.etc. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance.
Hi Julie! I wish I could help you with the Zoloft question. I just wanted to welcome you to a very caring group!!! Hugs, Di
You shouldn’t take Zoloft on an empty stomach. Actually you shouldn’t take an pills (e.g. vitamins) on an empty stomach unless the pharmacist tells you to do so.
Actually since taking Z (though Z is somewhat unique in this) on a full stomach increases absorption of the med, if she wanted an even smaller effect than 12.5 mg would give her she could try it on an empty stomach. Matt
In the UK, my doctor said that there is no dosage less than 50mg. And so I had bad stuff hapening to me. Which included nausea, I assume you were not sick tho. I would have carried on but I had to work and so I stopped after two days, the side effects are ment to go away.
In the US we have scored 25mg tablets. You could get a pill cutter which would would take the 50mg, if scored, down to 12.5mg. (But I suppose this is a little after the fact.) Matt
After what I experienced I would be terrified to take 50mgs! I’m hoping to do better on a low dosage. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
In the UK, my doctor said that there is no dosage less than 50mg. And so I had bad stuff hapening to me. Which included nausea, I assume you were not sick tho. I would have carried on but I had to work and so I stopped after two days, the side effects are ment to go away. — If I could start again. A million milles away I would keep myself. I would find a way. It’s a damn mad world. And It will get madder before it ends. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Thanks everyone for the advice.This was really a scary reaction I had.It’s hard to explain what happened.I’m seeing my dr. tomorrow.The hospital gave me benadryl for the reaction,it helped.I’m thinking maybe I started at too high a dose,my body wasn’t ready.I intend to continue my treatment.I will be 40 this month,it seems like I’ve lived most of my life in fear. Maybe with the help of my dr. and people who understand what this is like,I will find a successful treatment.Thanks All! Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance.
Nausea and feeling zoned out are common initial side effects of Zoloft but it seems you had a really bad reaction. It is advisable IMO to start Zoloft at 12,5 mgs, stay there for a week and then raise the dose in increments of 12,5 mgs every week or at whatever pace is comfortable for you. *Starting low & going slow* will minimize the initial side effects. Moreover this could be helped by taking a benzo like Xanax on the side *as needed*, at least during the time you are weaning on Zoloft. You should give Zoloft a 6-8 week trial to be able to properly assess its effect but it’s likely that you will feel better much earlier. What does your doctor say? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Julie, Sorry I can’t help you with the zoloft question because I don’t take that, but just wanted to say I hope everything goes well for you and you can get back to a more normal life. smiles, elise
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I don’t know where you live but do you think that it ia normal, to give somebody shock treatment for anxiety and panic??
NO! It is something like a last resort for depression but there is no evidence AFAIK that it works for PAD. No ECT! I don’t think so, maybe for people who have only depression. but that I am depri is because of the fakt that I have try’d now so many med; and the only one who helpt me was Remeron. But the side effect where so bad that I had to stop.
But we know now that those side effects were from the fillers. You found that out yourself! And soon Remeron will be available in loquid form and your troubles may be over…. they may be over earlier when the Dutonin (Serzone) will start to work…. I am optimistic…. love Diana.
Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc. {{{Diana}}} You are *not* worthless. You just feel that way because you are depressed. It is a symptom of depression. Give the Serzone some more time to work. If no med is able to help your depression, there is shock treatment as a last resort. Love, Chip Before you buy.
Dear Diana, Yes I would say it is very normal to feel depressed and frustrated after 18 months of trying so many different drugs and sometimes feeling worse. This can be a very long road. I am doing the same thing but thankful when the good days DO come, and they will! Sorry you are having such a hard time. I am just sticking with the Klonopin and no more antidepressants. None of them helped me – too many side effects – and life is OK most of the time. I hope the Serzone starts to help you soon. Is it giving you side effects?? Love,
Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc.
{{{Diana}}} You are *not* worthless. You just feel that way because you are depressed. It is a symptom of depression. Give the Serzone some more time to work. If no med is able to help your depression, there is shock treatment as a last resort. Love, Chip Before you buy.
I don’t know where you live but do you think that it ia normal, to give somebody shock treatment for anxiety and panic?? I don’t think so, maybe for people who have only depression. but that I am depri is because of the fakt that I have try’d now so many med; and the only one who helpt me was Remeron. But the side effect where so bad that I had to stop. love Diana. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc. {{{Diana}}} You are *not* worthless. You just feel that way because you are depressed. It is a symptom of depression. Give the Serzone some more time to work. If no med is able to help your depression, there is shock treatment as a last resort. Love, Chip Before you buy.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc.
Hi Diana! I feel so bad for you! You are depressed and I’ve been depressed lately. Just in the last day or two I’ve been feeling a little better. The doc raised the Desipramine over the weekend and it made me more depressed. I’m not taking the extra anymore and I feel better. Please keep calling your doctor to see what else he can do and hang in there. It has to get better for you and I believe it will! {{{{{{{Diana}}}}}}} Diane
I’ve noticed, and maybe it is bogus until next years allergy season comes around, but since I switched to water and not much else in May, I’ve had virtually no problem with allergies, not even when I flew to Houston in July. My breathing is WAY better than it used to be. Now, I don’t always have a lot of allergies in summer, but slightly stuffed up is not unusual for me. But I’ve not been all summer, except for one head cold. So I can see that yes, it might help asthmatics. Anyway, if anyone is an allergy sufferer, it may be worth a try. I should know more next spring… Cynthia G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For info, read http://dietchef.ecorp.net/articles/health/water.htm <snip I also just read that adequate hydration during exercise makes you able to breath much more efficiently. In fact, asthmatics who drank water while exercising cut way back on rescue inhaler use. If you are trying to lose weight, you should drink 64 ounces and then 8 ounces for each 25 pounds over weight you are. Once I actually made myself drink it, I find I crave it now. — claudia 565/355/157 To email me remove the potatoes Tipletter Writer for Dieting CyberTip4theDay Subscribe today: http://www.CyberTip4theDay.com For hundreds of free low-fat recipes and info visit Claudia’s Corner http://dietchef.ecorp.net Hi: How much water do you all drink? I have been trying to do about 50-60 oz. Is that enough? Perhaps we can setup intravenous water HAHAHAHHA thanks allen
Many in this newsgroup are more knowledgeable as to why we need to drink more… and I’ve often heard it said you should drink 64oz minimum PLUS an extra 8oz for every 25lbs you wish to lose. Someone else suggested that you half your weight and drink that many oz’s daily…. Drink up.. You’ll be glad you did.
here is the link: http://www.classicx.com/html/2super.html THE WATER QUESTION i not more knowledgeable than others, just great at grabbing links! rosie
I go through 2-2 litre pitchers a day. I think most people here drink more than that, but I remember a time when I thought drinking a 32 oz tumbler of water was a huge acomplishment! I found, the colder the water, the better. Lisa B. 243/223/160 "There is more to life than increasing its speed" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: How much water do you all drink? I have been trying to do about 50-60 oz. Is that enough? Perhaps we can setup intravenous water HAHAHAHHA thanks allen
For info, read http://dietchef.ecorp.net/articles/health/water.htm An average sized person who is a total couch potato and not trying to lose weight should drink a minimum of 64 ounces a day. If you are more active and/or trying to lose weight you need to drink a lot more. When you don’t drink a lot of water, you lose weight much more slowly. Weight loss occurs as your liver breaks down fat deposits and flushes them out of your body. But when you don’t drink enough water, your kidneys can not do their job and there fore your liver stops or slows metabolizing fat and helps the kidneys do their job. No matter what, your body will always by default make sure that you remain a live as long as possible. What your kidneys do is essential to survival, so by default the liver will take over some of it’s work. I also just read that adequate hydration during exercise makes you able to breath much more efficiently. In fact, asthmatics who drank water while exercising cut way back on rescue inhaler use. If you are trying to lose weight, you should drink 64 ounces and then 8 ounces for each 25 pounds over weight you are. Once I actually made myself drink it, I find I crave it now. — claudia 565/355/157 To email me remove the potatoes Tipletter Writer for Dieting CyberTip4theDay Subscribe today: http://www.CyberTip4theDay.com For hundreds of free low-fat recipes and info visit Claudia’s Corner http://dietchef.ecorp.net
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I like drinking water. I also have a weakness for soda. I drink about 6-8+ glasses of water today. I tell ya. I have known 4 people who have had kidney troubles this year. I’m not certain what caused it in each of the women, but I know I’m gonna drink my water! Denise http://www.chistell.com
I drink 100 oz./day…this is fairly new for me (only a week) but it is getting easier. Good Luck, Renee
Hi: How much water do you all drink? I have been trying to do about 50-60 oz. Is that enough? Perhaps we can setup intravenous water HAHAHAHHA thanks allen
brenda, although i follow the recomendation you mentioned below, my water intake is roughly 1/2 of my weight, ounce wise…..just a strange coinkydink with me Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Allen… I was one of those who rarely ever drank water, but I decided it was one of the things I was going to give an honest try this time around. I started out with what’s considered minimum water intake for everyone..8 x 8oz glasses per day or 64ozs. Within days, I had doubled it to 128ozs and it’s been the easiest change I could have ever made in my WOE. It helps to curb my hunger; it makes my entire body function better…and I feel much better. I now consider it one of the most important elements of my WOL. Many in this newsgroup are more knowledgeable as to why we need to drink more… and I’ve often heard it said you should drink 64oz minimum PLUS an extra 8oz for every 25lbs you wish to lose. Someone else suggested that you half your weight and drink that many oz’s daily…. Drink up.. You’ll be glad you did. Hi: How much water do you all drink? I have been trying to do about 50-60 oz. Is that enough? Perhaps we can setup intravenous water HAHAHAHHA thanks allen
Hi Allen… I was one of those who rarely ever drank water, but I decided it was one of the things I was going to give an honest try this time around. I started out with what’s considered minimum water intake for everyone..8 x 8oz glasses per day or 64ozs. Within days, I had doubled it to 128ozs and it’s been the easiest change I could have ever made in my WOE. It helps to curb my hunger; it makes my entire body function better…and I feel much better. I now consider it one of the most important elements of my WOL. Many in this newsgroup are more knowledgeable as to why we need to drink more… and I’ve often heard it said you should drink 64oz minimum PLUS an extra 8oz for every 25lbs you wish to lose. Someone else suggested that you half your weight and drink that many oz’s daily…. Drink up.. You’ll be glad you did.
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I like a good night’s sleep, so I usually don’t drink much water after about 9 PM unless I go for a walk later than that. I go to bed pretty late (midnightish) so that’s usually plenty of time so that I avoid having to pee all night. Katie 183/168/163 Y4K: 568 /4000 — To reply by e-mail, take out all the x’s.
I drink a ton of water everyday on everyone’s advice. But I try not to drink too much too late after one night a few nights ago waking up 3 times having to pee something terrible! LOL! Desert Wind 296/291/125 Please visit my website
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Hi Desert Wind, The nights when I have to get up and pee during the night is one I cherish. That usually is followed by a woosh the next morning Michael I drink a ton of water everyday on everyone’s advice. But I try not to drink too much too late after one night a few nights ago waking up 3 times having to pee something terrible! LOL! Desert Wind 296/291/125 Please visit my website
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I drink a ton of water everyday on everyone’s advice. But I try not to drink too much too late after one night a few nights ago waking up 3 times having to pee something terrible! LOL! Desert Wind 296/291/125
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Water!!!! I drink it when I read ASD, every time I see the word "water, drink, drank, or drunk." (It’s the ASD Drinking Game. Other than that, I drink *at least* 64 oz. per day, plus extra glasses in little "water rituals" such as the ASD Drinking Game, whenever I’m waiting for food to cook in the microwave, or whenever I’m in class or studying. Claudia’s right about asthma too – I’ve had fewer problems breathing since I’ve been fully hydrated (which in turn cuts down on my essential tremor because I’m not taking my inhaler as much). Basically, water is just *the* thing. Ambrosia. The Elixer of Life. Live well, — soma 180/17?/135 Y2K 60/2000
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Yep, I do think there is a relationship. I’ve been bad about drinking for two days now and I’ve noticed I am stuffier. Gotta go fill that water glass! Cynthia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cynthia, I noticed the same thing. All the more reason to drink that water. I’ve noticed, and maybe it is bogus until next years allergy season comes around, but since I switched to water and not much else in May, I’ve had virtually no problem with allergies, not even when I flew to Houston in July. My breathing is WAY better than it used to be.
Cynthia, I noticed the same thing. All the more reason to drink that water.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve noticed, and maybe it is bogus until next years allergy season comes around, but since I switched to water and not much else in May, I’ve had virtually no problem with allergies, not even when I flew to Houston in July. My breathing is WAY better than it used to be. Now, I don’t always have a lot of allergies in summer, but slightly stuffed up is not unusual for me. But I’ve not been all summer, except for one head cold. So I can see that yes, it might help asthmatics. Anyway, if anyone is an allergy sufferer, it may be worth a try. I should know more next spring… Cynthia G For info, read http://dietchef.ecorp.net/articles/health/water.htm <snip I also just read that adequate hydration during exercise makes you able to breath much more efficiently. In fact, asthmatics who drank water while exercising cut way back on rescue inhaler use. If you are trying to lose weight, you should drink 64 ounces and then 8 ounces for each 25 pounds over weight you are. Once I actually made myself drink it, I find I crave it now. — claudia 565/355/157 To email me remove the potatoes Tipletter Writer for Dieting CyberTip4theDay Subscribe today: http://www.CyberTip4theDay.com For hundreds of free low-fat recipes and info visit Claudia’s Corner http://dietchef.ecorp.net Hi: How much water do you all drink? I have been trying to do about 50-60 oz. Is that enough? Perhaps we can setup intravenous water HAHAHAHHA thanks allen
jBeth, are you talking about Luvox? shell
Brand name Faverin in the UK. Heard it’s good for OCD and depression.
Hi Beth, Fluvoxamine is similar to Prozac in many ways and is used for depression and OCD (an aside to Shell — yes, it’s Luvox in the USA). Response to antideps varies enormously from person to person, and what works for one may not work for another; unfortunately, psychiatric medicine is still rather hit and miss, and trial-and-error is usually the only way to find the right med for you. There are some major risks of interactions with this drug, including terfenadine and astemizole (antihistamines), cisapride ("propulsid", a motility stimulant), warfarin, theophylline, certain benzodiazepines and phenytoin. Or what about sertraline (Lustral/Zoloft)?
That has a slightly broader collection of possible side effects than some of the other SSRIs, though much less risk of drug interactions than fluvoxamine, and has been known to work in some people who have had only limited success with other antideps. Curiously, in the UK it’s not listed as a treatment for OCD, but only depression, while clinical trial data indicates that it *is* effective in OCD too. Some people who don’t get a good result from SSRIs have fared better with venlafaxine (Effexor) or with the SNRI reboxetine (Edronax), though again neither of these is listed as appropriate for treatment of OCD. Hope this info helps, and good luck! love from Julie.
x-no-arcive: yes i tried luvox (generic name – fluvoxamine) for my OCD. i found effexor to work much better. hope some medication works for you soon.
Brand name Faverin in the UK. Heard it’s good for OCD and depression. Or what about sertraline (Lustral/Zoloft)? Am going back on meds and don’t know whether Paxil (Seroxat) is worth trying (again!) BEth — ("That I would be good if I got and stayed sick That I would be good even if I gained ten pounds" – Alanis Morissette)
Erica– I am also Bulimiarexic…and 15 and on Zoloft and have not had my period for a year and a half. I don’t know about you but my Zoloft doesn’t seem to be helping at all. I think I might start on something different. I am on 175mgs a day now. How much are you on?? I haven’t had birth control pills suggested to me to restore my period but I wouldn’t want them. I hated my period. It is such a mess and a pain. This doesn’t mean I’m afraid of it I just like not having to deal with it.
Laurie asked: Should I be worried though? I want my "good enough" to not be life-threatening, you know? Am I doing ANYTHING good for myself??
Laurie, You are doing some good things for yourself. You are taking classes. You are searching for answers in your life. You are writing. If you want your "good enough" to not be life threatening you have got to start eating more. Straight out spoilered for dead on painful stuff. s p o i l e r Laurie, if you don’t have periods you are threatening the life of any children you might have in the future. What does that mean? It means that someday when your arms ache to hold a baby you won’t be able to. It means that someday when you share your life with someone and you want your body to hold life inside it, to let it grow inside you, to nourish it from yourself you won’t be able to. So Laurie, ask yourself. Is it "good enough"? Mary
Oui, my doctor wanted me to take BC pills (i’m 16, a virgin) to get my period again, I said NO WAY. Just the thought of it makes me feel ‘unclean’ (is that weird?). I am taking Zoloft, though. I have had my first two panic attacks ON it, I never had one when I wasn’t taking it… Odd… I wouold appreciate feedback from other bulimarexics taking Zoloft- side effects, etc. Merci beaucuop. Erica
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -for awhile i was on birth control pills to "motivate" my body to have a period. has anyone else done this? i hated taking them (hated having a period) and i don’t need them now (for either of their purposes!) but, i’m sooooo scared of getting osteoporosis that i was very good about taking them–i hate taking meds. just an fyi for the general public: i’m taking a science of nutrition class (which i don’t suggest for anyone struggling. it’s been tough disassociating the class from my ed…but that’s another subject). anyway, we just finished up talking about calcuim. the worst kind of supplements you can take are oyster shell–they’re literally ground up oyster shells, so there’s no way to know exactly what’s in them. the best (according to my prof) are tums–they’re the cheapest and absorb the easiest. everyone happy with their nutrition lesson for the day?
Why has the nutrition class been triggering? (besides the obvious answer that it’s all about food) Sarah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – for awhile i was on birth control pills to "motivate" my body to have a period. has anyone else done this? i hated taking them (hated having a period) and i don’t need them now (for either of their purposes!) but, i’m sooooo scared of getting osteoporosis that i was very good about taking them–i hate taking meds. just an fyi for the general public: i’m taking a science of nutrition class (which i don’t suggest for anyone struggling. it’s been tough disassociating the class from my ed…but that’s another subject). anyway, we just finished up talking about calcuim. the worst kind of supplements you can take are oyster shell–they’re literally ground up oyster shells, so there’s no way to know exactly what’s in them. the best (according to my prof) are tums–they’re the cheapest and absorb the easiest. everyone happy with their nutrition lesson for the day?
for awhile i was on birth control pills to "motivate" my body to have a period. has anyone else done this? i hated taking them (hated having a period) and i don’t need them now (for either of their purposes!) but, i’m sooooo scared of getting osteoporosis that i was very good about taking them–i hate taking meds. just an fyi for the general public: i’m taking a science of nutrition class (which i don’t suggest for anyone struggling. it’s been tough disassociating the class from my ed…but that’s another subject). anyway, we just finished up talking about calcuim. the worst kind of supplements you can take are oyster shell–they’re literally ground up oyster shells, so there’s no way to know exactly what’s in them. the best (according to my prof) are tums–they’re the cheapest and absorb the easiest. everyone happy with their nutrition lesson for the day?
Erica, This may be a little late, but maybe you should reconsider not wanting to take BC pills. I agree with you; it’s hard to get over the "unclean" feeling (I’m a virgin too), but I looked at it as just medicine. I didn’t take it as birth control, but to get my period again, so is it really any different from any other kind of prescription? I’m off BC now because I put on enough weight to get my periods on my own, but I went a year and a half without getting a period…I was actually happy to gat it at that point, with or without BC. Just my two cents, Ophelia Oui, my doctor wanted me to take BC pills (i’m 16, a virgin) to get my period again, I said NO WAY. Just the thought of it makes me feel ‘unclean’ (is that weird?). I am taking Zoloft, though. I have had my first two panic attacks ON it, I never had one when I wasn’t taking it… Odd… I wouold appreciate feedback from other bulimarexics taking Zoloft- side effects, etc. Merci beaucuop. Erica
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi guys. I’ll spoiler this for food mentions and health issue mentions .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Ok. I’m underweight. Given. I haven’t had a period in two and half years. Given.
you don’t have enough of anything in your diet, then. given. if you did, you might be underweight, but you’d have your period. so you’re missing major things. While I don’t eat very much, the things I eat have good stuff in it
you know what? all food is *good stuff* all food has *good stuff* in it. it’s a fuel. that’s all food is. it’s been politicised to hell, but it’s just a fuel. (I think) Broccolli, Bananas, Nonfat yogurts, etc., So that I think I am getting a reasonable amount of calcium and potassium. I also take a children’s multivitamin.
are you a child, laurie? you should be taking a woman’s multivitamin. preferably several of them, because you’re not going to get the right mix in any one; thye’re just not marketed for people who get none. Here’s my question: If I eat TONS of calcium in the things I eat, tons of potassium, etc., can I still get osteoporosis?
yes Can I still be susceptible to heart attack?
yes But the things I eat (habitually, same things, every day, we all know how the story goes) are healthy and have good vitamins.
as opposed to those vitamins that have been taken over by evil? Should I be worried though? I want my "good enough" to not be life-threatening, you know? Am I doing ANYTHING good for myself??
taking vitamins is a good step. it’s not enough. and you do *not* eat enough. you do *not* get enough of anything, from Cals to vitamin b to sodium. and it will be life-endangering. I hope I haven’t triggered anyone…
you spoilered it. let people take responsibility for themselves. if you read something spoilered for talk of food, you accepted the chance it might trigger you. ased in general probably triggers people somewhat. that’s a choice people make for themselves, not for others. gus — the unconscious, it seems, will not let go of its hoard. the past comes with us and occasionally kidnaps the present, so that the distinctions we depend on for safety, for sanity, disappear. past. present. future. when this happens, we are no longer sure who we are, or perhaps we can no longer pretend to be sure who we are. if time is a river then we shall all meet death by water. -jeanette winterson "gut symmetries" — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
My dietitian used to say, "yes, you eat very healthy foods….but the problem is that you’re not eating ENOUGH!" Yes, you should be concerned that osteoporosis is lurking around the corner for you…. Yes, you should be concerned that what you are doing to your body, an act of omission, rather than comission, is going to have long-term effects. Last year, I broke a toe when I bashed into a bookcase. When my foot was x-rayed, the doctor talked a lot about "osteopenia," which is the precursor to osteoporosis. Not having periods is not a good thing. A friend of mine, who is severely anorexic, is currently taking Fosamax (sp?) to try to counteract the effects of her long-term illness. She’s already experienced broken ribs and a broken hip….and she is only in her mid-thirties. The meds will probably only stave off the osteoporosis for a brief time…. Even though right now, it doesn’t feel that way, Laurie, you ARE doing damage to your body which can have long-term effects. My dietitian also used to say, "nothing in nutrition works fast. " What was being said was that even though I might feel perfectly fine, even though I was eating "healthy" foods, I was still eating at a subnormal level and was not giving myself the nutrition which was needed….and somewhere down the road, years later, I might pay the price. Think about it… –Connie
Hi Laurie, One thing I’d like to point out in your response is your reference to your eating "good" food. I hate to say it but there is no such thing as good or bad food. Healthy eating involves all different types of food and when certain foods are restricted are cut out, your eating is no longer "healthy" (Sorry!) In response to your question about osteoporosis and heart attacks. Yes, you are definitely at risk. For one thing, your not menstruating so this means your body is not making estrogen which is essential for the absorption of Calcium. Therefore it doesn’t matter really how much calcium rich food you are taking it, it won’t be absorbed properly. Also, the minerals like potassium and magnesium which can affect the heart are also absorbed through the help of other nutrients so if you aren’t eating a balanced diet you won’t have normal levels of these important electrolytes. (my doctor has pounded this info. into my head, so I know what I’m talking about) Anyway hope this helps. Kathryn K.
You are right: you are best judge of what your body is up to. I now insist my doctor let me titrate. I leave each session with an upper dose I cannot exceed. There is also a suggested rate of increase I should not exceed (fat chance). Then I increase at the rate which is comfortable for me. (Reverse holds true for going off meds.) I note you’ve been on the new stuff only. Is there a reason you haven’t tried tricyclics or MAOIs? Some people report mircles from them, when the new SSRIs and variation are unsuccessful. Good luck. Stuck
Well…..I’ve tried eight AD’s …..First was zoloft..did that for 8 months, and for a time added trazodone along with it. It worked so-so…. Next was paxil…did that for about 3 months. I didn’t have energy to do much of anything. The withdrawl was 2 weeks of misery. Next I went without anything for about 2 months. Signed up for a 10 week self esteem class which used a workbook on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I felt worse about myself at the end than I did when I started. Then I tried prozac for 4 months….helped some (any improvement was better than I was). Started having significant side effects after the dose went beyond 50mg. Started feeling more depressed as the dose increased. Started effexor…almost stopped it cuz I felt so yucky, but I think it was due to coming off the prozac. Effexor worked real well for me for about 15 months. Added wellbutrin for a time, supposedly to help the sexual dysfunction, but it didn’t help. **SOAP BOX TIME** I really don’t think that doctors who work in the field of prescribing antidepressant medications fully appreciate how powerful these drugs are, and how strongly they affect the body. My doctor, for instance, tends to believe that you can just taper a person (me) off one drug for a week or so and add a new drug at the same time or immediately thereafter, and everything will be hunky dory. WRONG!!!! As far as I am concerned, there is always some sort of withdrawl the body goes through when stopping one antidepressant, even if you start another at the same time. I have gone through this a number of times, and I hope I have been instrumental in helping my doctor learn more about this. Still, there is that transition period where my life sucks even more when I have changed meds. **END OF SOAP BOX** Anyway, coming off the prozac made it seem like the effexor was giving me a bad reaction at first, but I hung in and after about a week things were ok. After about 15 months, I was feeling sort of down, more depressed than I had been in a while. I was also feeling "chemicalized" and kind of wanted to stop. My pdoc was gonna have me start serzone, but I tapered off the effexor (again with a two week withdrawl) and stopped. So, I then went 3 months taking St. John’s Wort. It helped some, but I gradually sank down badly again, and when work took a stressful turn, I went down fast. Back to Depression City. Then I took serzone for 4 months. It is supposed to make most people a little drowsy, but it had the opposite effect on me. I felt wired. It leveled out a bit over time, but during this period I did not sleep very soundly. It was just moderately effective for the depression. At the beginning of february I started remeron. Again, in changing meds, I had the usual nausea and stuff associated with withdrawl, but man o man that remeron!! It was like Night of the Living Dead!! I slept HARD for the 3 weeks I took that stuff. Supposedly the higher the dose, the more that symptom of sleepiness goes away, but I was still a space cadet even after increasing the dose. So I practically begged my pdoc to let me go back on effexor, which I started again this week. Right now I’m going through the remeron withdrawls, nausea, diarhea and such, but I feel human again. **THEORY** I believe in my case, having taken antidepressants off and on now for over 3 years, that whatever my depression is, drugs only help it to a moderate degree. It has been my experience that continually increasing the dosage yields diminishing returns. It does appear, at least at this time in my life, that I need the help of the antidepressants to handle life. I am working in other ways on "handling life," and perhaps someday I will obtain some results that will make it unnecessary to take antidepressants. I really don’t know. But, I think I do best if I take the lowest dose that gives any decent effect. And, I am beginning to believe that my system needs a periodic chemical free period. So my plan at this point is to take the lowest dose of effexor that will stabilize my mood, which from past experience I think is either 150mg or 225mg. I think that I will also try to go about a month a year chemical free. I guess to summarize, at least maybe to summarize to myself, it takes a long period of trial and error to find out what works and what doesnt. The hard part is to somehow hang in there while going through all the ups and downs. Best wishes, Patrick *** To reply by email, remove the zzz from my email address ***