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Flu Shot

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Pulmonologist has suggested getting the flu shot this year and would welcome any advice for or against. I’m still trying to get stablized with my medication and sure don’t want any complications or even a mild case of the flu right now. The doctor assured me that they inject a dead vaccine and not the live one given years ago….. but am still very leery since vacation is pretty close for me. Would welcome any advice? Thanks! Denice Hi Denice: I was diagnosed with asthma 2 years ago. Last year was the first time I ever got a flu injection. My GP and allergist insisted I get one. Your immune system is already damaged and coming down with the flu could be fatal.

I don’t think my immune system is damaged – I don’t get any more of the general run of coughs & colds than anyone else in the office (possibly less in fact) – but if I *do* get them I will often be iller. Good Luck, Maria

– Surfer!

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If you can’t get the flu from the shot, then how come I always get sick for two or three days after I get the shot? You CANNOT get the flu from the flu shot. Possible answers: 1A. Coincidence. You would have gotten sick anyway.

One of the funniest things that ever happened to me: About 4 years ago, I was standing in a long line of folks to receive a flu shot. And guess what–the nurse who was doing the shots was herself sneezing and coughing and blowing her nose from a bad cold! The medical office didn’t realize that those of us who were trying to avoid the flu were probably not too interested in catching a bad cold either. :-) Needless to say, I washed my hands and arms thoroughly afterward. But I wonder what happened to the others who weren’t that fastidious. :-) — Steven D. Litvintchouk Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.

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Your dr. is correct. The most common side effect of the flu shot is soreness at the injection site (hardly a sign of the flu), although occasionally people feel flu-like joint soreness and fatigue. Get the shot – the flu can literally kill susceptible people, the shot just makes you a bit uncomfortable. – tg (an RN w/ asthma) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Pulmonologist has suggested getting the flu shot this year and would welcome any advice for or against. I’m still trying to get stablized with my medication and sure don’t want any complications or even a mild case of the flu right now. The doctor assured me that they inject a dead vaccine and not the live one given years ago….. but am still very leery since vacation is pretty close for me. Would welcome any advice? Thanks! Denice

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The only thing to watch out for (at least with the UK version) is allergy to eggs. They always ask me before putting the needle in. Now that reminds me – it must be time to make that appointment. Real flu (lots of people call a bad cold flu) is a debilitating illness at best, and quite dangerous for the elderly, and those with chronic lung, heart or kidney problems or diabetes. All these groups can get free flu jabs in the UK – apparently the government has about 10,000,000 shots lined up. My Pulmonologist has suggested getting the flu shot this year and would welcome any advice for or against. I’m still trying to get stablized with my medication and sure don’t want any complications or even a mild case of the flu right now. The doctor assured me that they inject a dead vaccine and not the live one given years ago….. but am still very leery since vacation is pretty close for me. Would welcome any advice? Thanks! Denice

– Surfer!

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Oral steroids come in pill form. These medications are the ‘big hammer’ used to get the asthma back under control fast during times when your normal medications are not working. (For example, if you get the flu your doctor is probably going to put you on oral steroids.) Flovent is an inhaled steroid. This medication has a huge advantage over oral steroids in that it uses a dosage that is somewhere around 1/30th of that of the oral version. The disadvantage is that this medication works slowly over time. Singulair is a leukotrine receptor antagonist. This medication blocks the receptor sites for a chemical that is crucial to the inflammation process that drives asthma symptoms. Proventil is a beta-agonist. This medication activates the beta receptor sites in the airways causing the muscles to relax and open the airways. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off." General Colin Powell

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None of those are oral steroids. Predisone, prednisolone, pediapred, prelone, dexamethasone, decadron are all steroids. Check out my web site at www.ibabydoc.com for a discussion on all asthma meds. Dr. Michael Bornstein, M.D. F.A.A.P. www.ibabydoc.com

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If you can’t get the flu from the shot, then how come I always get sick for two or three days after I get the shot?

Because your immune system thinks you have the flu. The idea here is to trick the body so that it produces the appropriate antibodies. (BTW, if the immunization makes you feel bad – think of what the real disease will do to you.) "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off." General Colin Powell

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My Pulmonologist has suggested getting the flu shot this year and would welcome any advice for or against. I’m still trying to get stablized with my medication and sure don’t want any complications or even a mild case of the flu right now. The doctor assured me that they inject a dead vaccine and not the live one given years ago….. but am still very leery since vacation is pretty close for me. Would welcome any advice? Thanks! Denice I have never had a flu shot, neither has my DH or either of our kids. We

looked at the number of viruses out there, the very small number covered by this shot, and the possible reactions to it and opted not to have them. During the last 12 years, I have had a mild flu once. DH & the kids never have.

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Hi Denice: I was diagnosed with asthma 2 years ago. Last year was the first time I ever got a flu injection. My GP and allergist insisted I get one. Your immune system is already damaged and coming down with the flu could be fatal. Good Luck, Maria

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I have always heard it gives you a ‘touch’ of the virus so your body can build up resistance to it.

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If you can’t get the flu from the shot, then how come I always get sick for two or three days after I get the shot?

Maybe because the flu shot covers only a few small varieties of the flu, and there are many more out there. You may be susesptible to a variety that its not expected many people will be suspectible to and wasn’t incluced in the shot. Or maybe it was a cold, not the flu; there are hundreds of cold viruses. The flu shot is not a panacea for all illness. Its simply a highly probable prevention for a small few.

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If you can’t get the flu from the shot, then how come I always get sick for two or three days after I get the shot?

You CANNOT get the flu from the flu shot. Possible answers: 1A. Coincidence. You would have gotten sick anyway. 1B. Coincidence. The flu shot alters your immune response and so you get sick with a critter that perhaps you wouldn’t have gotten as sick with. 2. You caught Something Evil from the sick people visting your doctor’s office when you got the flu shot. 3. Your immune system responds to the vaccine with: "wow! dead critters! better wage biochemical warfare *just* to be sure!!"; kind of like how it goes "wow! pollen! time to wage biochemical-thermonuclear war to protect this body from the Evil Invader!!"…

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If you can’t get the flu from the shot, then how come I always get sick for two or three days after I get the shot? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would definitely get the flu shot. You cannot catch the flu from it and it will prevent some pretty serious illness in an asthmatic. Dr. Michael Bornstein, M.D. F.A.A.P. www.ibabydoc.com

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My daughter, who has asthma, got the flu last January, type A and B and was hospitalized for seven days. It was pretty severe and she was on oxygen for five of those days. Although she was young, 13 months, the consequences of asthmatics with the flu at any age can’t be a good combination.

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I would definitely get the flu shot. You cannot catch the flu from it and it will prevent some pretty serious illness in an asthmatic. Dr. Michael Bornstein, M.D. F.A.A.P. www.ibabydoc.com

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I say do it. I have gotten them for over 10 years and i am thankful. Flu’s with asthma don’t go over well..

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<~ I’m on Flovent, Singulair, and Provental, are any of those oral steroids? ~ I think Singulair is.

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<~ I’m on Flovent, Singulair, and Provental, are any of those oral steroids? ~ I think Singulair is.

None of these are. Flovent is an inhaled steroid. Examples of oral steroids would be : prednisone, medrol or decadron

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I get the flu shot the moment it is available. Last year I and few other people who got the shot were the only people at work who were not out sick for several days. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off." General Colin Powell

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I was wondering, what are oral steriods? I mean, can someone give me an example? I always get the different types of medications all mixed up. There are so many of them!!! I’m on Flovent, Singulair, and Provental, are any of those oral steroids? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My daughter, who has asthma, got the flu last January, type A and B and was hospitalized for seven days. It was pretty severe and she was on oxygen for five of those days. Although she was young, 13 months, the consequences of asthmatics with the flu at any age can’t be a good combination. Well, I’m in my forties, but even at my age, asthma and flu just don’t mix! Therefore I get the flu shot every year. You *CANNOT* contract flu from a flu shot. The only problem is if you’re on oral steroids. These drugs can depress the immune response to the flu vaccine, so it won’t give you the immunity. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.

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I have had a flu shot every year since about 1970, and I have ONLY had any reaction whatever once. I had a mild feeling of malaise for about four hours the next afternoon. I did have the flu once about 12-15 years ago — a different virus from the vaccine — and was sick for weeks. I do everything possible to avoid risking a recurrence of that experience. Emily – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Pulmonologist has suggested getting the flu shot this year and would welcome any advice for or against. I’m still trying to get stablized with my medication and sure don’t want any complications or even a mild case of the flu right now. The doctor assured me that they inject a dead vaccine and not the live one given years ago….. but am still very leery since vacation is pretty close for me. Would welcome any advice? Thanks! Denice

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Well, I’m in my forties, but even at my age, asthma and flu just don’t mix! Therefore I get the flu shot every year. You *CANNOT* contract flu from a flu shot. The only problem is if you’re on oral steroids. These drugs can depress the immune response to the flu vaccine, so it won’t give you the immunity. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.

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Asthmatics are in the high risk group for whom flu shots are especially recommended. See: http://www.kaiserpermanente.org/locations/midatlantic/newsroom/vaccin… Kaiser Permanente launches annual flu vaccination campaign "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Kaiser Permanente particularly recommend flu vaccinations for those who are at special risk for adverse flu reactions. As part of its campaign, Kaiser Permanente has sent flu shot reminders to more than 115,000 local members in high-risk categories. Those considered at "high-risk" for flu complications include those who: Are 65 or older; Have a chronic illness such as asthma, diabetes, or heart disease, or have a family member with a chronic illness; Have a weakened immune system, such as from HIV or cancer; Interact with a lot of people in school, work, or leisure settings; and Are pregnant and will be in the second or third trimester during the flu season, or are planning to become pregnant during the flu season. For additional information, members and others should visit the Kaiser Permanente web site at www.kaiserpermanente.org " Ellis

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First flu shots were in 1942 I believe. I got it in the army. Had a two-three day mild fever and aching arm from the shot. Have had many since including during periods of fairly severe asthma. Never more than an mildly aching arm for a day. Most times not even that. My experience is that they are a pretty trivial experience any more. A respiratory infection on top of asthma could get pretty nasty. Think you should listen to your doctor.

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If any of you can and want to get the flu shot, get it now! I was putting it off, I normally get it around the end of October. However, I ended up with the flu the last couple days. Terrible headache (I thought my head was going to explode) and a high fever and nausea. I was sick for a couple days and am still sick. GET IT NOW!!! You don’t want this, trust me! Darcy

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i have found that my immune system has been badly affected due to colitus and then crohns. a flu shot is no longer something that i can take. it affects me differently than normal people. i get sick almost immediately and it takes me longer to get over it than most people. on a lighter side ,i try to stay away from small children and sneezing coughing adults. hehe mary? merry? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone get this? Last time I had one, was at work and started to get a reaction and the nurse about scared the crap out of me. I know the vaccine contains eggs, which I was allergic to when growing up, but grew out of it. With all these new bugs, was thinking about trying it again, but going to my doc for it instead. Has anyone else experienced problems with it? Thanks. Julie

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a flu shot is no longer something that i can take. it affects me differently than normal people. i get sick almost immediately and it takes me longer to get over it than most people.

I thought I was the only one! My doc told me that the shot would make me sicker than it was worth! I used to get them every year, but no more! Margie

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I got my Fly shot, I am afraid as hell that if I get the flu, it will kill me. I get i every year and have never regretted getting it.

Have you seen "The Fly"? If so, you know what you’re in for! :=} Kathi

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They still use eggs to incubate the vaccine. We have been told by the Health Dept. that we have to make sure we ask if a person is allergic to eggs before we can give them the injection. From what I have been given to understand they are incubating it in other tissue now as well but it is going to cost more. Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Darcy) writes: Don’t know if they still use the egg product in it though, I know something was changed with the shot, you need to ask! No, they don’t use egg anymore. Kathi

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Hi, I have a shot each winter but my doctor makes sure he weans me down to a lower dose of Pred. before I have the shot and then starts building them up again about a week later. I feel a bit off color for a few days but listening to "healthy people" they suffer too. I think it is worth the effort. The shot does not have the full effect I had a mild flu this winter (I was off work for a week, flu for 4 days and 1 day resting and having B12 shot and iron supplements at Docs.) some people in the office were away for 3 weeks!!! Keep well, Luv Michelle ( in the Southern Hemi.) — — Michelle Wilhelm 21A Dinton Street, Christchurch 8004, New Zealand Phone: +64 3 342 7877 —-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Julie, I have been on Prednisone for over 2 years, currently on 15mg, started on Imuran 50mg 2 months ago, and now on 100mg. I consulted with both my GI and PCP about getting a flu shot being on the immunosuppressants, and both recommended that I get one, even after hearing that I almost always get the flu after getting the shot (got them for 7 years in the military). After talking with both doctors and thinking about it, I would rather be sick for a week now than several times through the winter. My cousin is allergic to eggs and also has Crohn’s but he can’t take the flu shot as he reacts to it and one time it was rather serious. So I would definitely check with your doctor and maybe an allergist to be tested to see if you are allergic to eggs. As a child I had lots of allergies, and I still have some, but outgrew quite a few of them. Hope this helps. Ken — CD Class of 97 http://www.augustweb.com/~kjakin/ Does anyone get this? Last time I had one, was at work and started to get a reaction and the nurse about scared the crap out of me. I know the vaccine contains eggs, which I was allergic to when growing up, but grew out of it. With all these new bugs, was thinking about trying it again, but going to my doc for it instead. Has anyone else experienced problems with it? Thanks. Julie

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(Darcy) writes: Don’t know if they still use the egg product in it though, I know something was changed with the shot, you need to ask!

No, they don’t use egg anymore. Kathi

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Gooniebird ???? I have always had problems but I got one last week in the hospital and it went okay. They are different now anyway. My Doctor insists that any of his high risk patients get one especially this year since it is suppose to be really bad. Do it Goonie. jstew — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Julie, I have Crohn’s and allergic to eggs. I’ve been on Pred since last week of August, currently I’m on 30mg…..My primary dr, doesn’t reccommend that I have the flu shot Tania

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I’ve had the flu shot two years in a row (recommended by my GI) and have my appt for this years. Have been on pred each time, and was never told not to have it because of that. It has sure saved me from that nasty flu so far… Tracy

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Julie – I have gotten the flu shot for the last 5 years and also had the pneumonia shot last year at the recomendation of my GI doctor. It has helped me to not get sick with the flu at all. The first year I had a reaction to it, just minor flu (side effect) other than that, nothing. I have had CD for 8 years now! I will also be getting it this year, it is recommended for anyone with a chronic disease/autoimmune system problems. Don’t know if they still use the egg product in it though, I know something was changed with the shot, you need to ask! Have a great day and keep smiling! Darcy

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Julie, I have been on Prednisone for over 2 years, currently on 15mg, started on Imuran 50mg 2 months ago, and now on 100mg. I consulted with both my GI and PCP about getting a flu shot being on the immunosuppressants, and both recommended that I get one, even after hearing that I almost always get the flu after getting the shot (got them for 7 years in the military). After talking with both doctors and thinking about it, I would rather be sick for a week now than several times through the winter. My cousin is allergic to eggs and also has Crohn’s but he can’t take the flu shot as he reacts to it and one time it was rather serious. So I would definitely check with your doctor and maybe an allergist to be tested to see if you are allergic to eggs. As a child I had lots of allergies, and I still have some, but outgrew quite a few of them. Hope this helps. Ken — CD Class of 97 http://www.augustweb.com/~kjakin/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone get this? Last time I had one, was at work and started to get a reaction and the nurse about scared the crap out of me. I know the vaccine contains eggs, which I was allergic to when growing up, but grew out of it. With all these new bugs, was thinking about trying it again, but going to my doc for it instead. Has anyone else experienced problems with it? Thanks. Julie

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Julie, In addition to my last post, One of the doctors I work with told us yesterday afternoon that they now are incubating the vaccine in tissue as well as eggs. He thought the vaccine is probably more expensive. This vaccine is for those who are allergic to eggs. Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone get this? Last time I had one, was at work and started to get a reaction and the nurse about scared the crap out of me. I know the vaccine contains eggs, which I was allergic to when growing up, but grew out of it. With all these new bugs, was thinking about trying it again, but going to my doc for it instead. Has anyone else experienced problems with it? Thanks. Julie

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Does anyone get this? Last time I had one, was at work and started to get a reaction and the nurse about scared the crap out of me. I know the vaccine contains eggs, which I was allergic to when growing up, but grew out of it. With all these new bugs, was thinking about trying it again, but going to my doc for it instead. Has anyone else experienced problems with it? Thanks. Julie

Julie, I got mine about 2 weeks ago, and I had a huge welt on my arm from the shot for several days and it hurt like crazy, but it was worth it – the flu I had last winter was brutal! But I’ve never been allergic to eggs … Sioux — * Remove the word "froggies" from our "reply-to" address (reply to * * http://www3.sympatico.ca/lilypad **

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If you have been on Prednisone in the past year you should inform the nurse, according to the information I have from my pharmacist. In fact, if you are on any drugs for IBD or otherwise, I’d disclose that information. Related: when I was in the hospital, they mentioned something about TB vacination, but I do not recall the details. I think the statement was in reference to pred and reduction in immune system response.

: Does anyone get this? Last time I had one, was at work and started to : get a reaction and the nurse about scared the crap out of me. I know : the vaccine contains eggs, which I was allergic to when growing up, but : grew out of it. With all these new bugs, was thinking about trying it : again, but going to my doc for it instead. Has anyone else experienced : problems with it? : Thanks.

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Julie, I was allergic to eggs as a child and thought I outgrew it. My doctor gave me a skin test with the vaccine and I developed a huge hive at the sight of the injection. He told me not to get the vaccine. This was a number of years ago so I had never tried again. When I started working at a clinic there was a doctor who said that if a person is allergic to eggs they can take 1/10 of a cc intradermally and still get up to 80% immunity. I have been doing this for the past 4 years and it has worked out quite well. I still get a giant hive on my arm but feel it is a small price to pay. You could ask your doctor about this. Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone get this? Last time I had one, was at work and started to get a reaction and the nurse about scared the crap out of me. I know the vaccine contains eggs, which I was allergic to when growing up, but grew out of it. With all these new bugs, was thinking about trying it again, but going to my doc for it instead. Has anyone else experienced problems with it? Thanks. Julie

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My drs always strongly recommended the flu shots for me no matter what I was on. Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are, or have been recently, on any Prednisone or immunosuppressant drugs, you should definately check with your doctor first before receiving *ANY* immunizations. You could get really sick and maybe even die. Thanks, Mike That is scarey. I’m supposed to get my flu shot tomorrow, and now I’m concerned. I asked the Dr at CCFA.COM and he said it’d be ok but I didn’t tell him I was on prednisone and 6mp. I also take asacol. Now I don’t know what to do. Elise

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Linda- I believe you are supposed to go to the doc within 24 to 48 hours of the onset. I suppose the sooner you feel it coming on and can start the meds… the sooner it will get you feeling better. Hope this helps. Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html : ) smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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Elise- I was on pred when I got my flu shot. Two years ago, I was on Asacol, Imuran (similar to 6mp) and Pred. I haven’t had any adverse reactions. But if you are unsure, call your doc. Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html : ) smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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It all depends on whether the vaccine contains live or dead virus. I think the flu vaccine is dead strains so it’s safe, but by all means ask your dr. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are, or have been recently, on any Prednisone or immunosuppressant drugs, you should definately check with your doctor first before receiving *ANY* immunizations. You could get really sick and maybe even die. Thanks, Mike That is scarey. I’m supposed to get my flu shot tomorrow, and now I’m concerned. I asked the Dr at CCFA.COM and he said it’d be ok but I didn’t tell him I was on prednisone and 6mp. I also take asacol. Now I don’t know what to do. Elise

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I thought we had overactive immune systems that is why we take stuff like 6mp to supress our immune systems? I had the flu shot last week no problems. But you are right each person should research it on their own. Rachael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a chance!! I’ll never take a flu shot again. Last week in the Vancouver Paper headlines were 20 deaths linked to the flu shot. Us IBD’ers already have a weakened immune system I’m not about to throw a flu shot at it also.I haven’t taken a flu shot since I started researching nutrition. Your best bet is to keep on researching it yourself and decide from there.. whether you want to have them or not..Weigh all the pros and cons. Hi there, Have any of you been able to get the flu shot? I have CD and was wondering if it is an option. I did catch the flu last year and it was pretty bad. Thank you. Pam

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If you are, or have been recently, on any Prednisone or immunosuppressant drugs, you should definately check with your doctor first before receiving *ANY* immunizations. You could get really sick and maybe even die. Thanks, Mike

That is scarey. I’m supposed to get my flu shot tomorrow, and now I’m concerned. I asked the Dr at CCFA.COM and he said it’d be ok but I didn’t tell him I was on prednisone and 6mp. I also take asacol. Now I don’t know what to do. Elise

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Elise, I am on 6MP and received the flu shot. My GI said I’d be fine to get it and I insisted on talking w/ my allergist on how effective it would be. What convinced me was when he said if it was him he’d get the shot. Talk it over with your GI or regular doctor if you have any doubts. mgbio CD Class of ‘99 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are, or have been recently, on any Prednisone or immunosuppressant drugs, you should definately check with your doctor first before receiving *ANY* immunizations. You could get really sick and maybe even die. Thanks, Mike That is scarey. I’m supposed to get my flu shot tomorrow, and now I’m concerned. I asked the Dr at CCFA.COM and he said it’d be ok but I didn’t tell him I was on prednisone and 6mp. I also take asacol. Now I don’t know what to do. Elise

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Hi Tracy, How soon is soon enough? It was 3 days before I could get to my doctor and I was crawling from the bed to the bathroom. I don’t think I’ve ever been so sick in my whole life! Would those three days have been too late? I’ll definitely remember the inhaler if I become ill with the flu again. Thanks for the info. Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just one more thing to add… if anyone does get the flu, make sure you get to the doc early… there is a drug available (called Relenza, I believe). My husband got the flu last year, and was able to use this inhaler. It cut down his time being sick from the average of 7-10 days to 3-4. But you have to catch it early, or the docs won’t give it to you. Just a suggestion in case anyone gets hit by it this year. Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html : ) smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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i had a flu shot about 6 weeks ago, no problem. pia

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P14, If you are, or have been recently, on any Prednisone or immunosuppressant drugs, you should definately check with your doctor first before receiving *ANY* immunizations. You could get really sick and maybe even die. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, Have any of you been able to get the flu shot? I have CD and was wondering if it is an option. I did catch the flu last year and it was pretty bad. Thank you. Pam

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Not this year. Last year I got sick from the flu shot (granted, I was run-down when I got the shot). I suffered a "mini" flu for seven days (fever, weak). And then when my husband and son got the flu, I got it again!! This year I got treated homeopathically for the flu (for the first time). We’ll see how it goes. Either way, it will be a long time until I get the flu shot again. Diana CD ‘81

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Pam, I have gotten them every year for a long time except for this year. I got the flu last year in spite of the shot, so this year I am going to wing it and see what happens. I have never had an adverse effect on my IBD from the shot, to answer your question. Mark CD c/o 88

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I got the flu shot in October. I just can’t risk having it knock me down and out…. Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html : ) smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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Just one more thing to add… if anyone does get the flu, make sure you get to the doc early… there is a drug available (called Relenza, I believe). My husband got the flu last year, and was able to use this inhaler. It cut down his time being sick from the average of 7-10 days to 3-4. But you have to catch it early, or the docs won’t give it to you. Just a suggestion in case anyone gets hit by it this year. Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html : ) smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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Hi Pam, I’ve been getting a flu shot for years. I don’t think I’d go without as I came down with it a few yrs back when another strain of flu came out they weren’t expecting. I don’t think I’ve ever, ever felt so bad in my life!!! I’d have abdominal surgery before having the flu again. That case, unfortunately, ended in pneumonia. Even colds, for me, end up with bronchitis. I finally was able to get my shot last week at Kroger no less! My doctor’s office is still waiting for their shipment of vaccines and I was afraid to wait any longer. Linda p.s. I also had the one time only pneumonia shot a few years ago and would advise others that have trouble with upper respiratory problems to have it too.

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What?! Do you have a link to this article? I haven’t heard anything about any problems expect the shortage. Rebecca

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a chance!! I’ll never take a flu shot again. Last week in the Vancouver Paper headlines were 20 deaths linked to the flu shot. Us IBD’ers already have a weakened immune system I’m not about to throw a flu shot at it also.I haven’t taken a flu shot since I started researching nutrition. Your best bet is to keep on researching it yourself and decide from there.. whether you want to have them or not..Weigh all the pros and cons. Hi there, Have any of you been able to get the flu shot? I have CD and was wondering if it is an option. I did catch the flu last year and it was pretty bad. Thank you. Pam

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Hi there, Have any of you been able to get the flu shot? I have CD and was wondering if it is an option. I did catch the flu last year and it was pretty bad. Thank you. Pam

Hi Pam I got the flu shot 3 weeks ago. My main reason was that i take imuran which supresses the imunesystem, and therefore it takes longer to recover. An ordinary cold takes me 2-3 weeks to recover from. Take care Lars cd class of 98

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Yes, I had the flu shot in oktober, like the last years. It doesn’t give me trouble. But I was the only one at work who has not been sick this year! — Martin The Netherlands http://www.dahlhaus.demon.nl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, Have any of you been able to get the flu shot? I have CD and was wondering if it is an option. I did catch the flu last year and it was pretty bad. Thank you. Pam

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Not a chance!! I’ll never take a flu shot again. Last week in the Vancouver Paper headlines were 20 deaths linked to the flu shot. Us IBD’ers already have a weakened immune system I’m not about to throw a flu shot at it also.I haven’t taken a flu shot since I started researching nutrition. Your best bet is to keep on researching it yourself and decide from there.. whether you want to have them or not..Weigh all the pros and cons.

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Pam, I got the shot, on the advice of my allergist. I ran a fever for several days afterwards but my GI and I are not sure if it was due to the shot or the abscess I developed from my fistula (neither of which are related). mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, Have any of you been able to get the flu shot? I have CD and was wondering if it is an option. I did catch the flu last year and it was pretty bad. Thank you. Pam

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Hi there, Have any of you been able to get the flu shot? I have CD and was wondering if it is an option. I did catch the flu last year and it was pretty bad. Thank you. Pam

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I’ve gotten the flu shot every year since I was dxed (in 97 or so). I’ve had no problem with it. My GI believes very strongly in IBD patients getting the shot. I got mine (when there weren’t *any* to be had) at his office. Rebecca

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Pulmicort And Fflovent » Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer

Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer

Question:

Maybe your son should try inhalers with a spacer if he is old enough.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello everyone, This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! – Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions." –

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Acknowledged, I may have made an unwise generalization here. For a child unable to use an MDI/spacer/DPI properly a nebulizer _may_ be necessary. "Generally" people using nebs a lot are using them with bronchodilators; if so this is more appropriately addressed some other way. Cromolyn is a safe alternative and if effective is a good way to go. It also needs multiple daily treatments to be effective; hence your treatment program with the neb. If that program is working for you without serious problems or relapses than on the surface it appears sound. I know people can get kind of touchy on these sites. I don’t contribute often since there is a fair amount of good advice here. My primary point was actually the battery issue and maybe I should have stuck to that. Whenever you give a snippet of advice on an incomplete subject there is the risk of missing some significant information. A full asthma instruction set takes 6+ hours for a patient and myself. Even then I expect most people only get 20-30% of the information, but that’s usually 29% more than they had before and doesn’t include correcting misconceptions. Fritz Merkel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a therapeutic aside, if he normally _needs_ 2-3 neb treatments/day he is not being appropriately controlled. This should be looked at first. I suggest you spend some time in this group or look over some of the sites explaining appropriate asthma control. Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/ Well, wait a minute, my son is also on 3 treatments per day. He takes cromolyn sodium. He experienced a side effect with Pulmicort (sleep deprivation) within 3 days of beginning the once-a-day treatment. So his pediatrician took him off of Pulmicort and started him on the cromolyn. The only side effect is the occasional post-nasal drip. Both of these were nebulized, as he’s only 2 years old. I actually prefer the cromolyn, be- cause the Pulmicort’s growth-stunting side effect scares me. If there is a non-steriod once-a-day treatment that’s nebulizable, please tell me. Otherwise, I have to wait until he’s able to use an inhaler, correct? LR This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! – Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions." –

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I was previously using my albuterol MDI "rescue" inhaler every 4 hours. I now use it about 2 times a week, almost invariably in anticipation of activity. Boyd "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sigh, that’s what I get for speaking in generalities… My medical team (MD and PharmD/PhD Physiologist) have come up with a plan which calls for me to use a nebulizer 2X daily with atrovent and albuterol. So you are using atrovent AND albuterol so you don’t have to use your albuterol as much?? Run that by me again. This has been very effective, improving my breathing and reducing my albuterol from every 4 hours to a couple of times a week. Are they incompetent, or don’t you know what you’re talking about? I’m pleased that your breathing is better and you don’t have to use your albuterol as much. Probably to you I don’t know what I’m talking about. Boyd Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/

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Fritz, thank you for the comments. LR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Acknowledged, I may have made an unwise generalization here. For a child unable to use an MDI/spacer/DPI properly a nebulizer _may_ be necessary. "Generally" people using nebs a lot are using them with bronchodilators; if so this is more appropriately addressed some other way. Cromolyn is a safe alternative and if effective is a good way to go. It also needs multiple daily treatments to be effective; hence your treatment program with the neb. If that program is working for you without serious problems or relapses than on the surface it appears sound. I know people can get kind of touchy on these sites. I don’t contribute often since there is a fair amount of good advice here. My primary point was actually the battery issue and maybe I should have stuck to that. Whenever you give a snippet of advice on an incomplete subject there is the risk of missing some significant information. A full asthma instruction set takes 6+ hours for a patient and myself. Even then I expect most people only get 20-30% of the information, but that’s usually 29% more than they had before and doesn’t include correcting misconceptions. Fritz Merkel As a therapeutic aside, if he normally _needs_ 2-3 neb treatments/day he is not being appropriately controlled. This should be looked at first. I suggest you spend some time in this group or look over some of the sites explaining appropriate asthma control. Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/ Well, wait a minute, my son is also on 3 treatments per day. He takes cromolyn sodium. He experienced a side effect with Pulmicort (sleep deprivation) within 3 days of beginning the once-a-day treatment. So his pediatrician took him off of Pulmicort and started him on the cromolyn. The only side effect is the occasional post-nasal drip. Both of these were nebulized, as he’s only 2 years old. I actually prefer the cromolyn, be- cause the Pulmicort’s growth-stunting side effect scares me. If there is a non-steriod once-a-day treatment that’s nebulizable, please tell me. Otherwise, I have to wait until he’s able to use an inhaler, correct? LR This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! – Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions." –

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My medical team (MD and PharmD/PhD Physiologist) have come up with a plan which calls for me to use a nebulizer 2X daily with atrovent and albuterol. This has been very effective, improving my breathing and reducing my albuterol from every 4 hours to a couple of times a week. Are they incompetent, or don’t you know what you’re talking about? Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I looked at the site; at $170 it is a pretty low price for a portable USN. A concern would be the rechargeable battery. They tend to be proprietary (not owner replaceable) and very expensive for most of the portables. Compressor driven models usually don’t perform as well as A/C models so they don’t get used while at home and the battery goes bad from neglect. I have no experience with this particular model though. You might take a look at the OMRON, more expensive, some find it fragile (I expect the Medisana is also), but it can use normal AA batteries or rechargeable AA’s for a fraction of the cost. As a therapeutic aside, if he normally _needs_ 2-3 neb treatments/day he is not being appropriately controlled. This should be looked at first. I suggest you spend some time in this group or look over some of the sites explaining appropriate asthma control. Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/ This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! – Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions." –

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As ever, Boyd, straight for the jugular, more strength to your elbow, sometimes you know, I reckon these medics should talk to the people with the problems and then make practical suggestions, the two consultants whose care I am in for COPD and Ulcerative Colitis always kick off with, well William hows it been for you is A working or B if not lets sort it. Kind Regards Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My medical team (MD and PharmD/PhD Physiologist) have come up with a plan which calls for me to use a nebulizer 2X daily with atrovent and albuterol. This has been very effective, improving my breathing and reducing my albuterol from every 4 hours to a couple of times a week. Are they incompetent, or don’t you know what you’re talking about? Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author) I looked at the site; at $170 it is a pretty low price for a portable USN. A concern would be the rechargeable battery. They tend to be proprietary (not owner replaceable) and very expensive for most of the portables. Compressor driven models usually don’t perform as well as A/C models so they don’t get used while at home and the battery goes bad from neglect. I have no experience with this particular model though. You might take a look at the OMRON, more expensive, some find it fragile (I expect the Medisana is also), but it can use normal AA batteries or rechargeable AA’s for a fraction of the cost. As a therapeutic aside, if he normally _needs_ 2-3 neb treatments/day he is not being appropriately controlled. This should be looked at first. I suggest you spend some time in this group or look over some of the sites explaining appropriate asthma control. Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/ This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! – Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions." –

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Sigh, that’s what I get for speaking in generalities… My medical team (MD and PharmD/PhD Physiologist) have come up with a plan which calls for me to use a nebulizer 2X daily with atrovent and

albuterol. So you are using atrovent AND albuterol so you don’t have to use your albuterol as much?? Run that by me again. This has been very effective, improving my breathing and reducing my albuterol from every 4 hours to a couple of times a week. Are they incompetent, or don’t you know what you’re talking about?

I’m pleased that your breathing is better and you don’t have to use your albuterol as much. Probably to you I don’t know what I’m talking about. Boyd

Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/

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As a therapeutic aside, if he normally _needs_ 2-3 neb treatments/day he is not being appropriately controlled. This should be looked at first. I suggest you spend some time in this group or look over some of the sites explaining appropriate asthma control. Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/

Well, wait a minute, my son is also on 3 treatments per day. He takes cromolyn sodium. He experienced a side effect with Pulmicort (sleep deprivation) within 3 days of beginning the once-a-day treatment. So his pediatrician took him off of Pulmicort and started him on the cromolyn. The only side effect is the occasional post-nasal drip. Both of these were nebulized, as he’s only 2 years old. I actually prefer the cromolyn, be- cause the Pulmicort’s growth-stunting side effect scares me. If there is a non-steriod once-a-day treatment that’s nebulizable, please tell me. Otherwise, I have to wait until he’s able to use an inhaler, correct? LR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! – Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions." –

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Hello everyone, This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions."

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We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling.

Not knowing as to what method of traveling you are referring to, when I was at the VA clinic the other day I saw one using a nebulizer plugged into his lighter socket.

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We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Not knowing as to what method of traveling you are referring to, when I was at the VA clinic the other day I saw one using a nebulizer plugged into his lighter socket.

When I mentioned "traveling" I meant driving far distances and staying in hotel/motel rooms. We’d just like to be able to avoid stopping at rest areas, having to lug out the nebulizer, and searching for AC outlets at 10:00 at night when a nebulizer treatment is needed. Things would be so much easier if our son could just sit in the back seat and have his treatment. I have considered buying one of the DC-to-AC converters that plugs into the power outlet on the vehicle, but a product like I mentioned would seem to be easier. Thanks for the reply! Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions."

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I know exactaly what you mean. I have a pulmo-aid and it is bulky and heavy. My insurance would not help pay for a portable one and they are very expensive. Since I am a very severe asthmatic I do not leave home any length of time with out it. Sometimes I have to nebulize every 4hrs around the clock when I feel bad. I solved the problem by using a inverter to plug into the ciger lighter in the car which I plug the nebulizer into. ( We did have to change the lighters fuse) This works very well and it will reach into the back seat without a problem. For the hotels I set my nebulizer up on the table with all the meds beside it. ( I don’t have little kids to worry about getting into the bottles) The beds are usually close enough the nebulizer can reach the bed without a problem. I know it is a hassle to awalys carry the thing around and it takes up alot of room in the car. But it does give me the freedom to go places I would not be able to without worrying about right electrial outlets and clean condictions to nebulize in.

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I looked at the site; at $170 it is a pretty low price for a portable USN. A concern would be the rechargeable battery. They tend to be proprietary (not owner replaceable) and very expensive for most of the portables. Compressor driven models usually don’t perform as well as A/C models so they don’t get used while at home and the battery goes bad from neglect. I have no experience with this particular model though. You might take a look at the OMRON, more expensive, some find it fragile (I expect the Medisana is also), but it can use normal AA batteries or rechargeable AA’s for a fraction of the cost. As a therapeutic aside, if he normally _needs_ 2-3 neb treatments/day he is not being appropriately controlled. This should be looked at first. I suggest you spend some time in this group or look over some of the sites explaining appropriate asthma control. Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch http://www.aafawa.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is my first post to this newsgroup — thanks for the warm welcome! My son has asthma and requires 2-3 nebulizer treatments a day. We’d like to find an easier alternative than lugging around his bulky nebulizer machine and trying to locate AC power when traveling. Has anyone here tried the Medisana Ultrasonic Nebulizer (http://www.shoplifestyleonline.com/md811.html)? Are you happy with it? I can’t seem to find any details on the portable nebulizer. It says that we’ll get about 3 treatments from a single charge — I’m assuming his has an AC cord for recharging? Thanks! – Kendall F. Stratton III Fort Fairfield, Maine USA http://home.maine.rr.com/k3 "The Mind, once stretched by an empowering idea, can never fully shrink back to it’s original dimensions." –

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Pulmicort And Fflovent » excercise solutions?

excercise solutions?

Question:

I am a 23 year old who has had excercise induced asthma since I was 16. Until I was 22, I was able to control my symptoms with Proventil. In the past year, I developed horrible asthma symptoms on a regular basis, not just from excercise. While I have been able to control the symptoms with Pulmicort and Serevent during regular activity, I am still unable to excercise easily. It take me weeks to build up the ability to jog on a treadmill for 10 minutes. I have always been an active person and have become frustrated and angered by my inability to excercise.

Ask your doctor about FloVent. I consider it a miracle drug since my asthma and COPD are slowly improving ever since I started taking it. If anyone has any suggestions on medications and/or other techniques that help them with their excercise induced asthma, please contact me by email at Monitoring you lung condition with a peak flow meter can let you know where you are at: an Action Plan can be used to adjust asthma drugs per peak flow readings. Before vigorous exercise you should be near the top of the Green Zone. Monitor the smog level and pollen levels (if allergic) and exercise when levels are low; usually in the morning or late evening. Breathe thru the nose to filter out irritatants and humidify the air (some wear a surgical mask). Warm up slowly. Links;

Try Tai Chi. It is good exercise, promotes physical mobility and flexibility and once you get good at it, you will be surprised at the increase in fitness. http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/jan_96/rupp.htm Diagnosis and Management of Exercise-Induced Asthma, Jan 96 http://asthma.miningco.com/msub5.htm Sports and Exercise http://www.aaaai.org/public/publicedmat/tips/tip01.html EXERCISE-INDUCED ASTHM & BRONCHOSPASM (AAAAI) http://www.runnersworld.com/injuries/asthma.html ASTHMA, EXERCISE-INDUCED Ellis

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Aha – Norm – I’m one step ahead of you again – I’ve set up my own interstellar spamming station – now even extraterrestrials will be prewarned about your spamtastic spuriosity!! You see Norm – once again buteyko fails in the face of scientific rigour and advancement. For those interested SETI – The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence – have created a downloadable data-chunk screensaver that will allow you to http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ Rich. (In addition there are reports of a distinct lack of intelligent life on planet Buteyko!!!!!!!)

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Hi Richard I’m amused, I’m sure you can do better than that. I couldn’t find any reference to asthma in you posting at all. Norman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aha – Norm – I’m one step ahead of you again – I’ve set up my own interstellar spamming station – now even extraterrestrials will be prewarned about your spamtastic spuriosity!! You see Norm – once again buteyko fails in the face of scientific rigour and advancement. For those interested SETI – The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence – have created a downloadable data-chunk screensaver that will allow you to http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ Rich. (In addition there are reports of a distinct lack of intelligent life on planet Buteyko!!!!!!!)

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Hi Richard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Richard I’m amused, I’m sure you can do better than that. I couldn’t find any reference to asthma in you posting at all. Norman Ahhh Norm – your ignorance is once again apparent – ET asked for email replies – read her post – I am not interested in public displays and proliferation – just helping fellow asthmatics and sportspeople.

Yes I know, my mistake. I noticed that just after I’d posted it to the ng. So I sent a reply by email as well. Norman

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Hi Richard I’m amused, I’m sure you can do better than that. I couldn’t find any reference to asthma in you posting at all. Norman

Ahhh Norm – your ignorance is once again apparent – ET asked for email replies – read her post – I am not interested in public displays and proliferation – just helping fellow asthmatics and sportspeople.

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I would suggest you speak to your pulmonologist about one of the leukotriene inhibitors (ACCOLATE, ZYFLO or my preference SINGULAIR). All of these have been beneficial to various degrees in exercise induced asthma. Scooby RCP, EMT-P

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a 23 year old who has had exercise induced asthma since I was 16. Until I was 22, I was able to control my symptoms with Proventil. In the past year, I developed horrible asthma symptoms on a regular basis, not just from excercise. While I have been able to control the symptoms with Pulmicort and Serevent during regular activity, I am still unable to excercise easily. It take me weeks to build up the ability to jog on a treadmill for 10 minutes. I have always been an active person and have become frustrated and angered by my inability to excercise. If anyone has any suggestions on medications and/or other techniques that help them with their excercise induced asthma, please contact me by email at

Hi I’ve found the Buteyko breathing technique very useful when exercising, I now no longer need to use Ventolin before exercise. Give it a try. Buteyko is a breathing technique. But unlike many other breathing methods Buteyko’s aim is to breath less. Buteyko has improved my asthma, reduced my Ventolin to zero and my steroids by half. I would recommend all asthmatics to try it to see if it works for them. However a word of warning, some have felt so good after using it for a few months they have thrown their medication away. You should continue to carry your medication even though your asthma may be in remission. Buteyko is a great method to help reduce asthma – it is not a miracle cure. For a good introducing and more information on Buteyko try http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm. It is best viewed by using the option to download the whole site and then read at leisure. There is quite a lot of it. See the ‘Get Started Now’ section, to get you started. It is completely free. But for both sides of the camp go to http://home.netscape.com/ and search for Buteyko using SNAP. This will give you other sites of interest including http://home.pacbell.net/colin/ which is Colin Campell’s rejection of the method (which I disagree with). Norman

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Dose » I went to Roel this morning

I went to Roel this morning

Question:

::I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. ::But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. ::I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. ::And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, ::with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me. Dear Diana, I hope the Zoloft reduction helps. I agree with Philip in that I don’t understand why nothing more was done at this appt. You’ve been suffering long enough. (((((Diana))))) Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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My dear Family . I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me. I will let you know how things are going. Love Diana — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Diana, I hope this med adjustment is successful for you. Dealing with the death of a loved one takes time. Your sister was a valuable piece of your life but you will make it through this… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Family . I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me. I will let you know how things are going. Love Diana — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I wish you the very best with this med change, Diana. I hope you can, somehow, deal with the death of your sister. I know how close you were and I would feel the same. Thinking of you. {{{{{Diana}}}}} Love, Di

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Diana schreef: My dear Family . I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me.

I wonder why he didn’t talk with you about your medication now instead of postponing it. The same goes for talking about your sister’s death. You were scheduled for aan appointment, weren’t you? Or didn’t he have enough time? Well, you will survive another two weeks but it’s a bit disappointing that nothing was talked about. Maybe lowering ther Zoloft dose is a good idea. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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ImJustOne wrote:

If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the morning.

You mean you go back to bed if there’s no positive posts?

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The Putt King wrote:

About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.

How about if you can’t enjoy anything? I’m getting the feeling that my current Effexor dose won’t be enough to get through this winter. This windy, grey weather today makes my mood dive…

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ImJustOne wrote:

If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)

HTF does one learn to talk???

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The Putt King wrote: About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted. How about if you can’t enjoy anything? I’m getting the feeling that my current Effexor dose won’t be enough to get through this winter. This windy, grey weather today makes my mood dive.

Build something. Do-it-Yourself carpentry! Maybe if I hit my thumbs enough times with a hammer, I’d be in a pain that might take my mind off my emotional misery.

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In our current culture, shorts seem like kind of a no-no on men when you’re dressing remotely to impress anyway. Fine for being comfortable or playing sports, but it doesn’t particularly make you look good, even with nice legs. (Endurance weenie shaving culture aside?;) )

I guess not, hence the negative reaction. I suppose I was thinking as a bloke, not a woman. Men like to see the bare legs of women so I figured that women would like to see the bare legs of men. Sad

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ImJustOne wrote: If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself

feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it

chronic.

Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) HTF does one learn to talk???

I didn’t type that.

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ImJustOne wrote: If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself

feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it

chronic.

Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the

morning.

You mean you go back to bed if there’s no positive posts?

lol!

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… Give up? Yeah damn right! I’ve tried with women, I really have. I’ve tried being witty, intelligent and thoughtful. I’ve even tried appealing to their baser instincts by deliberately wearing shorts in order to show my legs off. An attempt to show bare male skin in a sexual way (I’m desperate!) but what did I get? Either indifference or comments like ‘His legs look yukky’.

Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them. Virgo Cluster (who just finished the grading he needed to do today) "[10 Greats] (#9) Peter the Great (1672-1725), czar of Russia: brilliant but cruel despot, who had his own son tortured to death. After a lifetime of alcoholism, he died of syphilitic dementia." << Karl Shaw, "The Mammoth Book of Tasteless Lists", Carroll & Graf Publishers, 1998, p. 279

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sports clubs; i am a member of a gliding club and a yacht club. The gliding club is agood place to talk technical with a whole bunch of mainly older fellas who like relaying their near death experiences national records and glider technicalities, no women but i didnt join it for that. Sailing club is a good place to talk technical about yachts, near death experiences, and how close you cam to winning the national title in your class but still came 30th. few women(blokey atmosphere) but i go there to sail anyway. I dont know why i cant strike up a conversation there easily. i dont feel i have anything to contribute so, yeah, basically i cant think of anything to say. i.e no near death experiences, no national titles. I also think that my shyness can be seen from the outside as a kind of arrogance. as if im above "you lot". so i dont often get approached. Reasons i might be shy now ( i used to be the class clown in primary school) bullied at high school High school was an all boys school once good friends bailed on me been told im a "know all" on more than one occasion been harrassed after speaking in front of the whole school ( it was a memorial as well) made to feel self conscious about my lack of GF (s) First date girl stood me up during the date( i mean the very first date, three weeks ago) second "first date" made me realise how incompetent i am at trying to look intelligent and confident and knowing how to show a girl a good time.

OMB, you seem to have a parallel life to mine until the first date part. Unfortunately, I stood up my first date. -M

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firstly if you are reading out my profile, that isnt my profile. i certainly havent written that i am a dork, i dont play guitar and never claimed i have. http://soulmatesworld.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=display_profile&id=MG… sorry i may have mislead about the "match.com" wwtwn? "Insert Pseudonym Here" <i…@iphfakeaddr.com

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"whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam wrote in news:blo4gn$tae$1@lust.ihug.co.nz: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really Hmm…. Okay, this going to be a fairly harsh critique of your ad. If you’re sensitive, tune out now. Your tagline reads: " i might act like a dork somtimes but i can make a real woman feel like a real woman if you would just give me a chance " Two problems. First, you call yourself a dork. That’s only cute when cute young women do it. Second, "make a real woman feel like a real woman" might as well read, "You think you’re a real woman? You ain’t shit until you hop into my bed and PROVE it!" Maybe not what you had in mind, but that’s what a lot of women are going to take from it. It sounds like a sexual challenge. " turn-ons: No Answer sense of humor: No Answer " It looks weird that these have no answer. Surely you have selection criteria and a sense of humor? " i like to go to parties clubs concerts and just have as much fun as posiable i like playing my guitar alot love singing and i love to just get out and do stuff to have fun and live life sweet " True or not: 1) it sounds like you’re bullshitting, and 2) it sounds like all the other ads from guys (who are bullshitting). " im looking for a girl to no complain alot " This makes it sound like you’re looking for a woman to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen makin’ you a sammich. how do i learn how to talk to people? Get into situations where you’re forced to. Teach, volunteer, get a part time job as a cashier, etc. Eventually you’ll learn to stop giving a shit how you come off. If you come off great, great. If you come off terribly, so what? There’s so many people in the world, your chances of making a good impression on some of them are pretty high as long: 1) you’re willing to let it, and 2) your sample size exceeds a single digit.

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"Virgo Cluster" <gamma_n…@yahoo.com wrote in message news:dd95baf2.0310051345.3bed2b48@posting.google.com… Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them. I don’t think I could ever parade my legs like that! I don’t think they look *that* bad to be honest, a bit white perhaps but I’m not sure why I got such a negative reaction. No more shorts for me anyway

In our current culture, shorts seem like kind of a no-no on men when you’re dressing remotely to impress anyway. Fine for being comfortable or playing sports, but it doesn’t particularly make you look good, even with nice legs. (Endurance weenie shaving culture aside?;) )

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Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them.

I don’t think I could ever parade my legs like that! I don’t think they look *that* bad to be honest, a bit white perhaps but I’m not sure why I got such a negative reaction. No more shorts for me anyway Sad

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"whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam

wrote in message <news:blo4gn$tae$1@lust.ihug.co.nz… Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side. Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people?

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Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl. "The Putt King" <theputtk…@aol.com wrote in message news:20031004191654.13183.00000343@mb-m24.aol.com… <<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.

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My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.

Give up? Yeah damn right! I’ve tried with women, I really have. I’ve tried being witty, intelligent and thoughtful. I’ve even tried appealing to their baser instincts by deliberately wearing shorts in order to show my legs off. An attempt to show bare male skin in a sexual way (I’m desperate!) but what did I get? Either indifference or comments like ‘His legs look yukky’. Sad

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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:51:52 +1300, "whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam

wrote: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side.

What are the sporting clubs? Why do you "shrink away" from the social side? Do you feel intimidated by them? … feel any sort of hostility from them? … can’t think of anything to say?

Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people?

Good question. What are the things you like to talk about?

Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl.

You will have to face that fear sooner or later, so why not sooner, rather than later? Solitary Soul -

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—————————————————– If you can act convincingly, they’ll never know the difference. - Captain Obvious

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sports clubs; i am a member of a gliding club and a yacht club. The gliding club is agood place to talk technical with a whole bunch of mainly older fellas who like relaying their near death experiences national records and glider technicalities, no women but i didnt join it for that. Sailing club is a good place to talk technical about yachts, near death experiences, and how close you cam to winning the national title in your class but still came 30th. few women(blokey atmosphere) but i go there to sail anyway. I dont know why i cant strike up a conversation there easily. i dont feel i have anything to contribute so, yeah, basically i cant think of anything to say. i.e no near death experiences, no national titles. I also think that my shyness can be seen from the outside as a kind of arrogance. as if im above "you lot". so i dont often get approached. Reasons i might be shy now ( i used to be the class clown in primary school) bullied at high school High school was an all boys school once good friends bailed on me been told im a "know all" on more than one occasion been harrassed after speaking in front of the whole school ( it was a memorial as well) made to feel self conscious about my lack of GF (s) First date girl stood me up during the date( i mean the very first date, three weeks ago) second "first date" made me realise how incompetent i am at trying to look intelligent and confident and knowing how to show a girl a good time. I am so used to talking technical my mind draws a blank in situations where i have to try and make the weather sound interesting. I know i have an interesting side of me, i am not a bored person but my interests arnt that compatible with other people i meet so any resulting conversation is very thin. "Solitary Soul" <solitarys…@ev1.net

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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:51:52 +1300, "whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam wrote: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile :

Yotie)

I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting

aspect

of but shrink away from the social side. What are the sporting clubs? Why do you "shrink away" from the social side? Do you feel intimidated by them? … feel any sort of hostility from them? … can’t think of anything to say? Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have

attempted

to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people? Good question. What are the things you like to talk about? Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room

introduce myself to a girl. You will have to face that fear sooner or later, so why not sooner, rather than later? Solitary Soul – http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/ —————————————————– If you can act convincingly, they’ll never know the difference. - Captain Obvious

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Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really

Hmm…. Okay, this going to be a fairly harsh critique of your ad. If you’re sensitive, tune out now. Your tagline reads: " i might act like a dork somtimes but i can make a real woman feel like a real woman if you would just give me a chance " Two problems. First, you call yourself a dork. That’s only cute when cute young women do it. Second, "make a real woman feel like a real woman" might as well read, "You think you’re a real woman? You ain’t shit until you hop into my bed and PROVE it!" Maybe not what you had in mind, but that’s what a lot of women are going to take from it. It sounds like a sexual challenge. " turn-ons: No Answer sense of humor: No Answer " It looks weird that these have no answer. Surely you have selection criteria and a sense of humor? " i like to go to parties clubs concerts and just have as much fun as posiable i like playing my guitar alot love singing and i love to just get out and do stuff to have fun and live life sweet " True or not: 1) it sounds like you’re bullshitting, and 2) it sounds like all the other ads from guys (who are bullshitting). " im looking for a girl to no complain alot " This makes it sound like you’re looking for a woman to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen makin’ you a sammich.

how do i learn how to talk to people?

Get into situations where you’re forced to. Teach, volunteer, get a part time job as a cashier, etc. Eventually you’ll learn to stop giving a shit how you come off. If you come off great, great. If you come off terribly, so what? There’s so many people in the world, your chances of making a good impression on some of them are pretty high as long: 1) you’re willing to let it, and 2) your sample size exceeds a single digit.

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Forget women for awhile. You’re likely a ways away from the point where you can be successful. Don’t agree with me? Are you really sure? Are you confident that there’s something about you that’s rare that there should be a woman who wants you for it? Then go sell yourself. Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)

A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the morning.

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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to be 2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.

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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to

2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.

My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.

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Darkfalz wrote:

My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.

[shudder] Ye gods! That’s the spirit, big guy. MCMLXVI’s Fortune Cookies: "If at first you don’t succeed, redefine success."

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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to be 2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.

Forget women for awhile. You’re likely a ways away from the point where you can be successful. Don’t agree with me? Are you really sure? Are you confident that there’s something about you that’s rare that there should be a woman who wants you for it? Then go sell yourself. Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)

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MCMLXVI <mar…@earthlink.net

wrote in message <news:3F7EC492.3080801@earthlink.net… Darkfalz wrote: My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse. [shudder] Ye gods! That’s the spirit, big guy.

My timeline is similar, too, just a few years prior to yours. Time goes on and nothing changes for the shy person. Even when I got the chance, I couldn’t act on it, too afraid.

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<<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.

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Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side. Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people? Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl. "The Putt King" <theputtk…@aol.com

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<<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to

concentrate

on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.

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Another Drowsy Day – Lexapro Update

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Well, I took Lexapro at 7 PM last night and I am feeling incapacitated with drowsiness right now. This is not good ! I am starting to lose my patience with this med. It’s been a good 10 days of incapacitating drowsiness. Why bother taking a med at all if it’s going to incapacitate me ? I left a voice mail with my pdoc. I’ll have to wait to see what he thinks. I’m ready to axe this med and either go back to Zoloft at 100 mg or try something else. Does anybody have a recommendation for an SSRI or AD that relieves anxiety and depression without turning me into a sleepwalker ? Thanks, Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I took Lexapro at 7 PM last night and I am feeling incapacitated with drowsiness right now. This is not good ! I am starting to lose my patience with this med. It’s been a good 10 days of incapacitating drowsiness. Why bother taking a med at all if it’s going to incapacitate me ? I left a voice mail with my pdoc. I’ll have to wait to see what he thinks. I’m ready to axe this med and either go back to Zoloft at 100 mg or try something else. Does anybody have a recommendation for an SSRI or AD that relieves anxiety and depression without turning me into a sleepwalker ? Thanks, Tony

Hello Tony,this med doesn’t seem fit for you. I think you will have to wait for your p-doc to call back. I don’t know enough to suggest any meds to you. I am really sorry you have to go through this Tony Hang in there ! Your frien Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Prozac, Effexor, Elavil. YMMV. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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This med is probably not the one for you. Sounds like it is shutting down the wrong things and just making you drowsy. (((Tony))) Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I took Lexapro at 7 PM last night and I am feeling incapacitated with drowsiness right now. This is not good ! I am starting to lose my patience with this med. It’s been a good 10 days of incapacitating drowsiness. Why bother taking a med at all if it’s going to incapacitate me ? I left a voice mail with my pdoc. I’ll have to wait to see what he thinks. I’m ready to axe this med and either go back to Zoloft at 100 mg or try something else. Does anybody have a recommendation for an SSRI or AD that relieves anxiety and depression without turning me into a sleepwalker ? Thanks, Tony

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I am on celexa, and for me the sexual side effects are the same, very low desire. Best of luck to you! Chad Love is true when you can’t see eye to eye, but can still walk hand in hand.

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:Hi, i have been on zoloft(50mgs) with .25 xanax(as needed) for about a :year now. i have not had a panic attack since but feel i could panic at :times. i am a compulsive thinker and usually have the "anxiety" feeling :in my stomach(knots or whatever). i think i want to try celexa but dont :want to screw up my progress i have with zoloft but zoloft seems to make :me numb and dumb. i use to be very sexual but now i can care less about :sex. before when i saw arousing things(naked women) my heart would pound :and i would get that "aroused" feeling. now i could look at nudity and :get the same effect as a gardening magazine:(( i heard celexa has less :sexual side effects so this is why i am considering switching meds. my :sexual side effect from zoloft is not impotence but very low desire and :ejaculation takes very very long. any ideas on celexa for me? :experiences? anything?

Celexa may have less effect on your libido, or it may be worse. The only way to find out is to try it. In most cases you can switch between SSRIs (and SSRIs to TCAs, SSNRIs) overnight. But there are other things you could try first. Do a search of ASAP’s archives at Deja (or whatever they are now called) for " sexual dysfunction ". Best wishes Ian

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Hi, i have been on zoloft(50mgs) with .25 xanax(as needed) for about a year now. i have not had a panic attack since but feel i could panic at times. i am a compulsive thinker and usually have the "anxiety" feeling in my stomach(knots or whatever). i think i want to try celexa but dont want to screw up my progress i have with zoloft but zoloft seems to make me numb and dumb. i use to be very sexual but now i can care less about sex. before when i saw arousing things(naked women) my heart would pound and i would get that "aroused" feeling. now i could look at nudity and get the same effect as a gardening magazine:(( i heard celexa has less sexual side effects so this is why i am considering switching meds. my sexual side effect from zoloft is not impotence but very low desire and ejaculation takes very very long. any ideas on celexa for me? experiences? anything?

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Geoff, Thanks for the medical backing. I’ve made similar statements to my GI about pain relief; it’s nice to have a bit more knowledge to back it up. So far I’ve not had problems with pain relief, i.e. getting the right scripts, but you never know when that can change. mgbio CD Class of ‘99 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About 6 years ago I had open heart surgery, fortunately my IBD went into remission (any connection I wonder?) until I recovered. After the acute pain phase I was prescribed M-or-phi-ne Sulphate, these were coated, slow release tablets. I had no problems of any kind, no I add-ict-ion, no withdrawal, In fact I still have some unused. I have been tols by several doctors that provided there is a reason for taking medication, eg PAIN, addiction is not a problem. The brain associates the medication only with pain relief, so no pain to relieve, no association, so no craving. I’ve found this to be true. I take di-hydrocedeine when necessary, which I am told is metabilised to M-or–ph-ine in the body and am certainly not addicted. Geoff I do not want to have people come into this conversation to harass. bother, and preach, it is a question for pain management. I had to put this first line in to keep the ones out that don’t belong, and search for key words. I am going to break up this work, M-eth-a-done. Has anyone used this for pain management? My doctor is giving me the option of trying it with morp-hine (again-hyphenated to keep the searches out of here). Thanx. Please no preaching, only experiences for pain management, preferably for those with chronic pain, and intestinal disease. stevenscott —-

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About 6 years ago I had open heart surgery, fortunately my IBD went into remission (any connection I wonder?) until I recovered. After the acute pain phase I was prescribed M-or-phi-ne Sulphate, these were coated, slow release tablets. I had no problems of any kind, no I add-ict-ion, no withdrawal, In fact I still have some unused. I have been tols by several doctors that provided there is a reason for taking medication, eg PAIN, addiction is not a problem. The brain associates the medication only with pain relief, so no pain to relieve, no association, so no craving. I’ve found this to be true. I take di-hydrocedeine when necessary, which I am told is metabilised to M-or–ph-ine in the body and am certainly not addicted. Geoff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do not want to have people come into this conversation to harass. bother, and preach, it is a question for pain management. I had to put this first line in to keep the ones out that don’t belong, and search for key words. I am going to break up this work, M-eth-a-done. Has anyone used this for pain management? My doctor is giving me the option of trying it with morp-hine (again-hyphenated to keep the searches out of here). Thanx. Please no preaching, only experiences for pain management, preferably for those with chronic pain, and intestinal disease. stevenscott —-

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eMi, I’m on the "stronger" type of med that you talk about in your "p.s.". It has worked for me for 5 years now, and at the same dose no less. I see an anaesthesiologist in a pain management clinic. They have been wonderful to me and sooo helpful. I have my life back after being in constant pain for 32 years! I can even ride my horse more often than not ) Linda ~~~~~~~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on Duragesic patches and Oxycontin b4 my surgery…I found they worked great…..made the pain bearable and I was able to function without being too loopy…..they deliver a time released dose of med and you stay comfortable for the time rather than the up and down sort of pain with the other drugs. eMi P.S. there is also a stronger time released type of morphine related to the oxycontin …I highly suggest you talk to the pharmacist…that is where I learned about the latest pain management meds.

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methadone is used to treat heroin addecits thats the most iv’e heard a bout it good luck

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Did you get any irriatation from the glue used on the patch? Mike I was on Duragesic patches and Oxycontin b4 my surgery…I found they worked great…..made the pain bearable and I was able to function without being too loopy…..they deliver a time released dose of med and you stay comfortable for the time rather than the up and down sort of pain with the other drugs. eMi P.S. there is also a stronger time released type of morphine related to the oxycontin …I highly suggest you talk to the pharmacist…that is where I learned about the latest pain management meds.

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They have an 1-800 number to get an info pack. Might be worth a look see. If you do look into it let us know about it. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You mean this: http://www.medtronic.com/neuro/ "Neurological and Spinal Business Overview Our neurological products include neurostimulation systems, drug delivery systems, neurosurgical implant devices, surgical access products, and diagnostic and therapeutic systems for chronic pain and neurologic, urologic, and gastrointestinal disorders. Eight businesses within our division work together to apply our therapies and products to provide comprehensive solutions to significant neurological disorders. Activa

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Hi Everyone, I haven’t posted here before- I’m hoping to find someone here who understands what I’m going through. I am dealing with the trauma of being sexually abused by my ex-husband and started having flashbacks about a month ago. It’s been a year since we divorced but I just began to acknowledge that what he did to me was sexual abuse last October. I think I repressed a lot of the memories because they were too painful to confront. I was raped on numerous occasions throughout our relationship but at the time didn’t want to acknowledge that rape could happen between married people. Most of the information I find on sexual abuse is about children who have been abused, which is a horrible thing for any child to have to go through, but I feel alone in that my sexual abuse happened in my adulthood and with the person who said he loved me. I started taking Zoloft recently for depression and PTSD- supposedly Zoloft has been approved to treat PTSD and the anxiety and stress related to it. It seems to be helping and I haven’t had any flashbacks since being on it but I’m getting headaches and feeling fatigued most of the time. Does anyone else taking Zoloft have these side effects? Just curious. Thanks for reading! Amy

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Amy, Welcome to the ng. You experiences are not uncommon and although many of us may have experienced differing traumas – the way we react, the symptoms of PTSD are usually extremely similar. It is good that you are getting help now. The sooner people are treated after the trauma, the chance that the severity of your symptoms can be lessened. Keep it up – therapy and medications are our most useful tools right now. Medications are often a trial and error process too. Side effects such as headaches and fatigue may lessen with time. Most SSRIs like Zoloft need 6 to 8 weeks to become fully effective. If side effects are still present and hard to deal with after 2-3 months, it might be an idea to try another one. Effexor has also been found to be effective against PTSD. I’ve taken Prozac, Effexor and am now on Wellbutrin and find they all help to differing degrees. I changed from Prozac to Effexor because of persistant headaches, then changed to Wellbutrin because of I couldn’t control my weight on the other two. It takes time but the end result is worth it. There are some good websites with alot of information on PTSD and medications: http://www.trauma-pages.com/index.phtml http://www.ptsd.com/ http://www.mentalhealth.com/ Feel free to ask any questions and take care! Lesleyanne Visit my homepage at http://home.thezone.net/~chech * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi Lesleyanne, Thanks for replying to my post. So how does PTSD affect you? For me, the flashbacks can be brief recollections or I can actually feel like the trauma is reoccurring- kind of a suspension of reality if you know what I mean. I also deal with this low-level ongoing sense of anxiety. So it actually helps to deal with the trauma sooner rather than waiting? Sometimes I wonder if it’s worth pursuing the trauma- if one can actually reach some kind of resolve. I’m hoping so. Thanks for the info on the medications. It helps. Take Care, Amy

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Amy, It is important to deal with the trauma in your therapy. You need to understand how your condition has progressed from the trauma to your current symptoms. It helps your mind come to terms with how it has affected you. A good therapist can help with this while medication helps the symptoms. Dealing with the trauma as quickly as possible after the trauma has ended is key – you can see how this idea is practiced after the school shootings in the states where counsellors are brought in immediately and the students are encouraged to talk about their feelings. In such cases, followups are imperative so as to intervene if symptoms begin to show. If this had happened for me I have no doubt that I would be in much better shape. I even saw a psychiatrist after I returned from Bosnia in 94, but he treated me as if I was a trouble maker and indicated that if I didn’t stop, my career would be in jeopardy. This was all too common practice in the canadian forces up to recently when they initiated a host of programs to prevent and treat PTSD in veterans. Too late for me and alot of other people….which is what forced them to act. Right now, most of my symptoms are kept in check with medication – wellbutrin and imovane (for sleep). I don’t work and am waiting for my release from the armed forces. That in itself I believe will be a great relief for me. I can’t wait. Take Care Lesleyanne Visit my homepage at http://home.thezone.net/~chech * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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On 04 Mar 2000 22:26:26 GMT, swissc…@aol.com (SwissChsy) wrote: Hi Amy,

Most of the information I find on sexual abuse is about children who have been abused, which is a horrible thing for any child to have to go through, but I feel alone in that my sexual abuse happened in my adulthood and with the person who said he loved me.

People here have PTSD from many different types of traumas, but I think that quite often folks can still relate to each other, because they have been through some very difficult experiences or are living with the symptoms of PTSD. You might be able to find some articles, resources, etc, out there however, which do address your own trauma more specifically. I would try looking around on some of the PTSD-related websites out there, including: http://www.trauma-pages.com/index.phtml I hope that helps. Perhaps it might also be worthwhile finding out if there are any active groups/organisations in the area for women who have been through an abusive relationship, as they might be able to offer you support, or to put you in touch with other women who have survived a similar situation…? Just a thought anyway. Either way, welcome to the newsgroup. :^) Mae Tang (replace "nospam" with "nu-it" for a valid e-mail address) The Scampering Rat Page http://www.nu-it.demon.co.uk/scamp/

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Hi Amy, I just wanted to let you know that you aren’t alone…. I too was sexually (physically and mentally) abused by my ex. as an adult. When you wrote "with the person who said he loved me" it really hit home for me. I believe my ex really thought he loved me… but his idea or definition of love is a hell of a lot different then mine. It makes me so angry when I hear people deny that rape occurs between husband and wife, I am not referring to your self denial that events happened to you… that I understand, but rape is rape no matter how the rapist is related to the victim. I hope you improve with your side affects from the medication and I wish you the best, Patricia. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I haven’t posted here before- I’m hoping to find someone here who understands what I’m going through. I am dealing with the trauma of being sexually abused by my ex-husband and started having flashbacks about a month ago. It’s been a year since we divorced but I just began to acknowledge that what he did to me was sexual abuse last October. I think I repressed a lot of the memories because they were too painful to confront. I was raped on numerous occasions throughout our relationship but at the time didn’t want to acknowledge that rape could happen between married people. Most of the information I find on sexual abuse is about children who have been abused, which is a horrible thing for any child to have to go through, but I feel alone in that my sexual abuse happened in my adulthood and with the person who said he loved me. I started taking Zoloft recently for depression and PTSD- supposedly Zoloft has been approved to treat PTSD and the anxiety and stress related to it. It seems to be helping and I haven’t had any flashbacks since being on it but I’m getting headaches and feeling fatigued most of the time. Does anyone else taking Zoloft have these side effects? Just curious. Thanks for reading! Amy

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Amy, everyone, I am sorry for the offensive language in my previous message. This is the first time my anger got the better of me and I should have waited until I cooled down a bit. It won’t happen again. Patricia. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Hi Everyone, I haven’t posted here before- I’m hoping to find someone here who understands what I’m going through. I am dealing with the trauma of being sexually abused by my ex-husband and started having flashbacks about a month ago. It’s been a year since we divorced but I just began to acknowledge that what he did to me was sexual abuse last October. I think I repressed a lot of the memories because they were too painful to confront. I was raped on numerous occasions throughout our relationship but at the time didn’t want to acknowledge that rape could happen between married people. Most of the information I find on sexual abuse is about children who have been abused, which is a horrible thing for any child to have to go through, but I feel alone in that my sexual abuse happened in my adulthood and with the person who said he loved me. I started taking Zoloft recently for depression and PTSD- supposedly Zoloft has been approved to treat PTSD and the anxiety and stress related to it. It seems to be helping and I haven’t had any flashbacks since being on it but I’m getting headaches and feeling fatigued most of the time. Does anyone else taking Zoloft have these side effects? Just curious. Thanks for reading! Amy

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Amy Your post was in no way offensive. Actually I believe some swearing when you want to vent is not out of the rhelm of the reasonable. For some reason, some of these words help relieve some of the tension. For my part, I started swearing in French after 4 years in Quebec, so when I returned to an english environment I could swear all I wanted and no one had a clue what I was saying – but it felt just as good. Lesleyanne Visit my homepage at http://home.thezone.net/~chech * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi Lesleyanne, Actually Patricia was the one who wrote the e-mail she apologized for. I agree with you- I wasn’t offended by what she said- anger is a normal response to being abused, if anger comes out, so be it. Letting it out helps to heal, keeping it in eats away at a person. Thanks, Amy

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oops, sorry…..i’ve been having brain farts all week. I still think it’s Friday. Tabernaque!!! Lesleyanne Visit my homepage at http://home.thezone.net/~chech * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Gee, maybe a good slice of Ray Bari’s pizza with extra garlic before sex is all we need!

Wasn’t that a Barry Manilow song? Thanks for publishing the dirt on nonoxynol-9. Sounds like its worse than even I thought. And now the gay organizations are giving out condoms lubricated with "extra strength" nonoxynol 9. Ed

I knew you would get a kick out of that. Yes, I will grudgingly verify that you were the first person that I ever heard speak out against N9. Hey, even a stopped clock can be right twice a day. James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS

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Whey has a very high lysine to arginine ratio (2.75). I wonder if that is the reason why it works as an antiviral. Lysine has been shown to inhibit herpes viruses and may work against HIV. NEW YORK DAILY NEWS WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 31, 1996 PAGE 8 FINDING A WHEY Could limit HIV spread by Joe Nicholson Daily News Staff Writer Researchers yesterday said a substance made from whey, the liquid taken out of milk in making cheese, may have the power to stop the spread of the AIDS virus during intercourse. Robert Neurath, a virologist at the New York Blood Center, held out the hope that the substance, dubbed B69, could be used as a foam or cream, like spermicides. Neurath said he hit upon B69 after testing 68 other compounds with disappointing results: "It was a combination of persistence and luck, as is usual in life." Neurath’s experiments, reported in February’s Nature Medicine journal, showed that B69 blocks HIV from entering CD4 cells, the immune cells the virus destroys. Researchers cautioned, however, that B69 applications may not be a 100% preventive because it is uncertain whether B69 also would block other cell-entry sites. "The compound could serve as the basis for preventive measures against HIV transmission…to supplement other barrier methods, like condoms," said the researchers. Neurath said another big advantage of B69 was that a dose likely would cost only a few cents. Neurath, whose laboratory work was funded with a $200,000 federal grant, said he was trying to raise at least $50,000 for animal testing. Dr. John Adamson, president of the New York Blood Center, said B69 has the potential to save tens of thousands of lives. The treatment must first be tried on animals, and then, possibly a year from now, on humans. The last big hope for stopping sexual spread of AIDS, Nonoxynol-9, was a disastrous failure, said Dr. Jeffrey Laurence of the American Foundation for AIDS Research. Laurence, an AIDS researcher at Cornell Medical School as well as the foundation’s senior scientist for programs, said Nonoxynol-9 was tested in Africa several years ago. "There were actually more infections in people who got the product," said Laurence. "It seemed to cause irritation in the vagina, and the hypothesis was that it eased the way for the AIDS virus." Neurath said that unlike, Nonoxynol-9, B69 isn’t toxic to cells, so researchers "don’t expect…similar problems with this compound." Neurath displayed a test tube of B69 liquid and said he was optimistic it would not cause negative reactions because it is a natural substance. James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS

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Gee, maybe a good slice of Ray Bari’s pizza with extra garlic before sex is all we need! Thanks for publishing the dirt on nonoxynol-9. Sounds like its worse than even I thought. And now the gay organizations are giving out condoms lubricated with "extra strength" nonoxynol 9. Ed

: Whey has a very high lysine to arginine ratio (2.75). I wonder if that is : the reason why it works as an antiviral. Lysine has been shown to inhibit : herpes viruses and may work against HIV. : NEW YORK DAILY NEWS WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 31, 1996 PAGE 8 : FINDING A WHEY : Could limit HIV spread : by Joe Nicholson : Daily News Staff Writer : Researchers yesterday said a substance made from whey, the liquid : taken out of milk in making cheese, may have the power to stop the spread : of the AIDS virus during intercourse. : Robert Neurath, a virologist at the New York Blood Center, held : out the hope that the substance, dubbed B69, could be used as a foam or : cream, like spermicides. : Neurath said he hit upon B69 after testing 68 other compounds : with disappointing results: "It was a combination of persistence and : luck, as is usual in life." : Neurath’s experiments, reported in February’s Nature Medicine : journal, showed that B69 blocks HIV from entering CD4 cells, the immune : cells the virus destroys. : Researchers cautioned, however, that B69 applications may not be : a 100% preventive because it is uncertain whether B69 also would block : other cell-entry sites. : "The compound could serve as the basis for preventive measures : against HIV transmission…to supplement other barrier methods, like : condoms," said the researchers. : Neurath said another big advantage of B69 was that a dose likely : would cost only a few cents. : Neurath, whose laboratory work was funded with a $200,000 federal : grant, said he was trying to raise at least $50,000 for animal testing. : Dr. John Adamson, president of the New York Blood Center, said : B69 has the potential to save tens of thousands of lives. The treatment : must first be tried on animals, and then, possibly a year from now, on : humans. : The last big hope for stopping sexual spread of AIDS, : Nonoxynol-9, was a disastrous failure, said Dr. Jeffrey Laurence of the : American Foundation for AIDS Research. : Laurence, an AIDS researcher at Cornell Medical School as well as : the foundation’s senior scientist for programs, said Nonoxynol-9 was : tested in Africa several years ago. : "There were actually more infections in people who got the : product," said Laurence. "It seemed to cause irritation in the vagina, : and the hypothesis was that it eased the way for the AIDS virus." : Neurath said that unlike, Nonoxynol-9, B69 isn’t toxic to cells, : so researchers "don’t expect…similar problems with this compound." : Neurath displayed a test tube of B69 liquid and said he was : optimistic it would not cause negative reactions because it is a natural : substance. : James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids : misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero : MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS

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