I had told the nurse I wanted to do the CT scan today and she said she would schedule it and call with a time. I let the time get away from me and before I knew it, it was after 5pm. I guess I will call this morning and see what is up. I have a question for anyone who may know. I have been taking Bidex, Singulair and Histussin HC for the past week for my breathing and chest congestion. Do any of these cause a depressing or down-feeling effect? I have felt like crying a lot the last couple of days. Of course, when I have felt bad for too long I feel that way also. I was just wondering if any of these meds could have that side-effect? Vicki — The charter is available at:
I had asthma as a child as well. Junior high school was the worst–we had to run around the track in PE every day, and although they let me walk instead, I would get teased all the time about it. Sometimes I would run until I had an attack just because I was so embarrassed. I can’t suggest much in the near term, but when he gets older you might encourage him to get into anaerobic sports. I finally learned to weight lift when I was 22, and it’s great for me–it improves my self esteem and very rarelly triggers my asthma. Try not to let his asthma cause him to exercise half-heartedly or not at all–when I was in high school they put me in an "adaptive PE" program where we walked around the track and "lifted weights." What that really meant was we gossiped and tried to look busy while the teacher sat around. We didn’t learn anything about weight training or learn to keep track of our walking performance to improve our cardiovascular fitness, both things I had to learn as an adult, after I’d developed lazy exercise habits. I think it’s important to figure out what your asthma will let you do, and then DO IT, even if it’s just walking really slowly and stretching. Hopefully your private school will be better about this, but it’s something to pay attention to. I recently started Singulair and it improved my peak flow quite a bit, although I don’t think it has helped my exercise-induced asthma much. Good luck, Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a twelve year old son who has had asthma since he was two, probably since he was born.
Hi Danielle, My heart goes out to you and your son. My son is 7-1/2 and has moderate-severe asthma, including the EIA variety. We started him out with an indoor soccer program a year and a half ago, pre-treating him with albuterol and Intal. At that age all they do is run all over the place at top speed and he came through okay except for one incident — he kept sitting down on the floor every chance he got. Half the team was this way, too, though, so there must have been something in the air. Anyway, based on that we tried outdoor soccer last fall — big mistake. He could barely play an entire quarter and the coach was just not sympathetic to the asthma — I think he didn’t accept the idea that fatigue is indicative of a flare and thought perhaps Ed should be turning blue and gasping in order to be having at attack. He kept Ed sidelined a lot or put him in as goalie — not Ed’s strong point as he’s easily bored <g so it wasn’t a good experience for any of us. Tee-ball was much more successful, I think because they’re not so physically active for extended periods. He’s in a baseball program again this summer and really looking forward to it. Is there a baseball program around and would your son consider that in lieu of football? My son’s (private) school has a very active sports program, football being the foremost event; the star player for the last four years is a severe asthmatic. I’m heartened by this, knowing that for all the negative aspects of his win-at-all-costs attitude, the coach is very willing to work with asthma rather than sideline a kid. Is it worth approaching the coach(es) or director of the football program and explain he might fail the physical if it happens to be a rough trigger day and that perhaps they could take a closer look at his overall abilities? I guess it all depends on the people running the program. We haven’t yet put Ed on Singulair — I keep waffling over the Churg-Strauss syndrome thing. From what I understand, Singular doesn’t work for everyone; it either works very well or not at all. Certainly, the convenience of a once-daily tablet can’t be beat! Best of luck to you and your son, Danielle. Jeanne Ed’s Asthma Track http://asthmatrack.com/
Hi Danielle, Our daughter is also 12 and she started using Singulair about 5 months ago. It has improved her nighttime symptoms and is giving her better sleep, which has improved her daytime quality of life. For the EIA she still must pre-medicate and we have seen some improvement in her overall ability there too. We haven’t noticed any negative side-effects but are truly enjoying the benefits. Dot
His Doctor is going to start him on singulair, (I think that spelling is right), it is a preventative medicine. Has anyone tried it, and please say it works, how long does it take to start showing success?
Singulair is a ‘leukotrine receptor antagonist’. In plain english this medication blocks the receptor sites leukotrines (a key inflammatory moderator) in am manner analogous to toothpicks getting shoved in a lock. Singulair has a very low rate of side effects. The bad news is that for 1/3 of the people who try it is has great effects, for another 1/3 it has minor effects, and for the final 1/3 it has virtually no effects. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein
For the exercise induced asthma, two things can possibly help: premedicating (a couple of puffs of his rescue inhaler–likely albuterol–roughly a half hour before practice), and a slow warmup (15 minutes or so) before starting heavier activity.
Don’t really have any info for you about he singulair, but having been through the over use of antibiotics leading to bowel problems w/ my son I’d like to put my 2 cents in there. Part of what’s going on is that the antibiotics killed "good" bacteria as well as the "bad". The intestines use the good bacteria to digest food. Have him eat yogurt every day–make sure its the kind with active cultures, and try to stay away from the kiddie-fied stuff that’s loaded with coloring, flavoring and gelatin. Dannon has a great fruit on the bottoom style, or Stonyfield farms makes a really great one that’s organic as well. YOu could aslo talk to the DR about his taking acidophilius (sp?) tablets on a daily basis. This will help to restore his intestine. Also, make sure he eats enough fresh fruits and vegetalbes, and drinks at least 8 glasses of water daily. Lesa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a twelve year old son who has had asthma since he was two, probably since he was born. He was not diagnosed until two. He has been through so much, it breaks my heart. At two the doctors in an HMO overdosed him with antibiotics, which infected, (or messed up some how), his small intestine, which has left him with bowel problems ever since. Poor kid, as if asthma is not enough. He has either been in private school or home school up until the seventh grade, because he would have asthma attacks, and bowel problems at school and I would have to take him home, therefore, he missed too much school. We did home school for three years to get him caught up, and now he is in public school for the first time, (what an experience!) , He is going back to private school next year, he just needs closer attention. I feel I get more support from a private school, (probably because I am paying them), dealing with his special needs. He tried to sign up for football about two years ago, and he did not pass their physical, this broke his heart, being a boy he wants to get involved and feels left out when he sees his friends going to practice. His sister is a varsity softball player, I know this also hurts him to witness her accomplishments. I have him signed up for acting classes, (he is a little comedian, I think it started as a cover up), his first movie will show on TNT in June 99, he is in three or four scenes, very small part , but he will be on TV. I thought this would make him feel accomplished, he will probably feel proud when he sees himself on TV, but I don’t hear much about it now. He came to me yesterday and asked to sign up for football again, of course I said we could try, but I am afraid for him, because he has exercise induced asthma, ( this is one of his triggers), and I can’t watch him be turned down again. His Doctor is going to start him on singulair, (I think that spelling is right), it is a preventative medicine. Has anyone tried it, and please say it works, how long does it take to start showing success? Is there any suggestions you have for my son? Thank you for all of your support, I will be looking forward to reading your posts. Sorry this is so long, but it is so hard to put 12 years in one story. Thanks, Danielle (worried Mom)
I have a twelve year old son who has had asthma since he was two, probably since he was born. He was not diagnosed until two. He has been through so much, it breaks my heart. At two the doctors in an HMO overdosed him with antibiotics, which infected, (or messed up some how), his small intestine, which has left him with bowel problems ever since. Poor kid, as if asthma is not enough. He has either been in private school or home school up until the seventh grade, because he would have asthma attacks, and bowel problems at school and I would have to take him home, therefore, he missed too much school. We did home school for three years to get him caught up, and now he is in public school for the first time, (what an experience!) , He is going back to private school next year, he just needs closer attention. I feel I get more support from a private school, (probably because I am paying them), dealing with his special needs. He tried to sign up for football about two years ago, and he did not pass their physical, this broke his heart, being a boy he wants to get involved and feels left out when he sees his friends going to practice. His sister is a varsity softball player, I know this also hurts him to witness her accomplishments. I have him signed up for acting classes, (he is a little comedian, I think it started as a cover up), his first movie will show on TNT in June 99, he is in three or four scenes, very small part , but he will be on TV. I thought this would make him feel accomplished, he will probably feel proud when he sees himself on TV, but I don’t hear much about it now. He came to me yesterday and asked to sign up for football again, of course I said we could try, but I am afraid for him, because he has exercise induced asthma, ( this is one of his triggers), and I can’t watch him be turned down again. His Doctor is going to start him on singulair, (I think that spelling is right), it is a preventative medicine. Has anyone tried it, and please say it works, how long does it take to start showing success? Is there any suggestions you have for my son? Thank you for all of your support, I will be looking forward to reading your posts. Sorry this is so long, but it is so hard to put 12 years in one story. Thanks, Danielle (worried Mom)
That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety.
no-at this point the fda encourages docs to find off label uses for all meds-so they actually encourage experimentation-it has pros and cons obviously all ssri’s are used for the whole plethora of psychiatric conditions-some having a specific signature or profile makes them better or worse for a given situation, person or condition. Celexa and zoloft are both equivocal as antidepressants or panic blocking drugs. For some zoloft is more easily tolerated and works better and others the celexa is the king. On average the celexa has just a tad bit less side effects-but again that’s on average. What I see of the lexapro–it’s like being able to increase the dose of celexa with a little less typical side effects but it’s not a real big deal-so it has some value but not a home run — docs like using paxil for anxiety because it is sedating-for me that just means you have a sedated anxious person so I base a meds worth on its overall ability and the de facto observations of it in a person. All the ssri’s have value but none of them are the magic secret bullet we hoped for. Zoloft would typically energize a procrastinating, non motivated somewhat less active person better and with a bit more gusto then celexa-but celexa may do a more complete or less obtrusive and more subtle job-so it depends on the take of the doc, his experience with them and the clients presenting symptoms and personality, biology and history LM
:Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s :slogin that i well remember) It means I am sticking my tongue at you in a playful way 
Jackie ~*~All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another~*~ ~Anatole France~
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety. no-at this point the fda encourages docs to find off label uses for all meds-so they actually encourage experimentation-it has pros and cons obviously all ssri’s are used for the whole plethora of psychiatric conditions-some having a specific signature or profile makes them better or worse for a given situation, person or condition. Celexa and zoloft are both equivocal as antidepressants or panic blocking drugs. For some zoloft is more easily tolerated and works better and others the celexa is the king. On average the celexa has just a tad bit less side effects-but again that’s on average. What I see of the lexapro–it’s like being able to increase the dose of celexa with a little less typical side effects but it’s not a real big deal-so it has some value but not a home run — docs like using paxil for anxiety because it is sedating-for me that just means you have a sedated anxious person so I base a meds worth on its overall ability and the de facto observations of it in a person. All the ssri’s have value but none of them are the magic secret bullet we hoped for. Zoloft would typically energize a procrastinating, non motivated somewhat less active person better and with a bit more gusto then celexa-but celexa may do a more complete or less obtrusive and more subtle job-so it depends on the take of the doc, his experience with them and the clients presenting symptoms and personality, biology and history LM
Thanks Much. I know that zoloft was NOT for me. The jury is still out on celexa. But I kinda get the picture from all that has been stated. (Just a side note–I’ve Never heard anyone say anything good about prozac–but–my sample would be way too small.) Happy Holidays From your Neighboor Detective. Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s slogin that i well remember)
Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s slogin that i well remember)
Well if your serious, 
is a face expression as if someone is sticking their tongue out. Like a smile : ) Unless your jokes are very subtle ; ) BTW I’m not Jackie, but I’m bored today LOL Later Dan, KF…
That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety. In my case–They seem to be totally different! Or is this another one of those famous YMMV type things?
That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety.
I would think so because Celexa is less stimulating than Zoloft. Although I am on Zoloft and perceive no stimulation. But that may be because I am also on Klonopin. Chip
:That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for :anxiety. I don`t know what one is prescribed most…….certain things come into play when prescribing meds, anything from have a lot of samples on hand to doctors personal preference. My psychologist favored Prozac for anxiety and panic. :In my case–They seem to be totally different! Or is this another one 
f those famous YMMV type things? That`s whats great about the SSRI`s, they are all different. If one doesn`t work, you can always try another one. The more med choices that are available, the better chance one has of finding an effective med. Take care Columbo Jackie ~*~All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another~*~ ~Anatole France~
Hanging on by my nails. Moved to Georgia. My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her. I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend. I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it. Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair. Not a single friend here. I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet. Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena
Hanging on by my nails. Moved to Georgia. My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her. I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend. I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it. Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair. Not a single friend here. I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet. Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena
hi rosena. i’m in sc. met aware once, she is nice. mabey we could have an atlanta meet? dennis Death Be Not Proud by John Donne: Death be not proud, though some have called thee Mighty and dreadful, for, thou art not so,
Hanging on by my nails. Moved to Georgia. My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her. I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend. I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it. Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair. Not a single friend here. I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet. Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena
Hello ) Sorry you’re having it so tough at the moment – but good luck with the new job! Whiskery Hugs {{{{{Rosena}}}}} — — Whiskers
i am slowly going insane being invisible
But you’re NOT, you’re probably lonely. My therp reminds me all the time: "Social isolation is considered severe punishment in prison."
i am slowly going insane being invisible
Honey, I wasn’t even here yesterday. But I am now, and you’re not invisible. ***** Melissa "The wood is tired, and the wood is old. But we’ll make it fine if the weather holds. But if the weather holds, then we’ll have missed the point. That’s where I need to go." –Indigo Girls
i am slowly going insane being invisible
i am slowly going insane being invisible
I can see you. Mary Beth
Well met, Adam. Boy ARE you in the right place. Birds of a feather and all that. I hate the insomnia. It sucks the most because I know next comes the deep depression.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??
Welcome to the jungle! Welcome to the jungle! It’s gonna bring you down. huh! Guns and Roses Sorry just being dramatic. :^) Gloria
Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??
Welcome to ASD. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man *and* The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.
Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??
Welcome to ASD. I am in the minority concerning sleep habits. When I go into "the pit," I become hypersomniac. A couple years ago, I went through a stretch in which I slept 14-15 hours per day. Of course, the waking hours were living hell. Plus, that much sleep (fitful sleep, I might add) is disorienting. It seems to have the end effect of no sleep at all. Anyway, I hope you get some sleep. Keep posting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??
Before you buy.
Thank you all for the greetings, i dozed off at the keyboard. Lillith I am there. I am alienating the friends i have, and i dont mean to
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well met, Adam. Boy ARE you in the right place. Birds of a feather and all that. I hate the insomnia. It sucks the most because I know next comes the deep depression.
Effexor Withdrawal Causing Crackling Sounds in the Brain Antidepressants "Thank God for this website." I had a nervous breakdown six years ago and after being on other
anti-depressants without a problem, my psychiatrist felt that Effexor had less of an effect on the heart, and so switched me to Effexor. I have tried unsuccessfully to quit on many
occasions, even though I only take 37.5 mgs per day. The extreme lethargy I feel when I have tried to quit, the tingling in various parts of my body, the weird dreams and most
troublesome of all, the crackling, electric sounds in my head have caused me too much distress to ever be successful.
Hi, I think that you have to think about all these side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Effexor Withdrawal Causing Crackling Sounds in the Brain Antidepressants "Thank God for this website." I had a nervous breakdown six years ago and after being on other anti-depressants without a problem, my psychiatrist felt that Effexor had less of an effect on the heart, and so switched me to Effexor. I have tried unsuccessfully to quit on many occasions, even though I only take 37.5 mgs per day. The extreme lethargy I feel when I have tried to quit, the tingling in various parts of my body, the weird dreams and most troublesome of all, the crackling, electric sounds in my head have caused me too much distress to ever be successful. Hi, I think that you have to think about all these side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B
I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? Berty
Effexor Withdrawal Causing Crackling Sounds in the Brain Antidepressants "Thank God for this website." I had a nervous breakdown six years ago and after being on other
anti-depressants without a problem, my psychiatrist felt that Effexor had less of an effect on the heart, and so switched me to Effexor. I have tried unsuccessfully to quit on many
occasions, even though I only take 37.5 mgs per day. The extreme lethargy I feel when I have tried to quit, the tingling in various parts of my body, the weird dreams and most
troublesome of all, the crackling, electric sounds in my head have caused me too much distress to ever be successful.
Hi, I think that you have to think about all these side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Effexor Withdrawal Causing Crackling Sounds in the Brain Antidepressants "Thank God for this website." I had a nervous breakdown six years ago and after being on other anti-depressants without a problem, my psychiatrist felt that Effexor had less of an effect on the heart, and so switched me to Effexor. I have tried unsuccessfully to quit on many occasions, even though I only take 37.5 mgs per day. The extreme lethargy I feel when I have tried to quit, the tingling in various parts of my body, the weird dreams and most troublesome of all, the crackling, electric sounds in my head have caused me too much distress to ever be successful. Hi, I think that you have to think about all these side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B
I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? Berty
Hi, I’ve been on 50mg of Zoloft for 8 weeks which has worked great overall. My only complaint is a lot of muscle tension. It’s faded somewhat over these first 2 months, but is it likely to subside even more or am I probably stuck with it? Thanks! Fritz
Wow, I didn’t get the muscle tension. I got an upset tummy and the runs for a few weeks and then that went away. The only lingering side effect I have is lack of sex drive. Hate it. Hope your tension goes away. Good luck, Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been on 50mg of Zoloft for 8 weeks which has worked great overall. My only complaint is a lot of muscle tension. It’s faded somewhat over these first 2 months, but is it likely to subside even more or am I probably stuck with it? Thanks! Fritz
For me zoloft killed my libido seemingly forever…I no longer have ‘the fire’ and i do miss it!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, I didn’t get the muscle tension. I got an upset tummy and the runs for a few weeks and then that went away. The only lingering side effect I have is lack of sex drive. Hate it. Hope your tension goes away. Good luck, Amanda Hi, I’ve been on 50mg of Zoloft for 8 weeks which has worked great overall. My only complaint is a lot of muscle tension. It’s faded somewhat over these first 2 months, but is it likely to subside even more or am I probably stuck with it? Thanks! Fritz
Wow. I’m glad it wasn’t just me. My doctor warned me about it, but I figured that it was more important to get through every day with a clear head than get a little action once a month. That’s my only side effect, but it’s a doozy! ~Paul For me zoloft killed my libido seemingly forever…I no longer have ‘the fire’ and i do miss it!!
The only lingering side effect – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have is lack of sex drive. Hate it.
Anne Haas wrote:
. I wish some talk show host would do a program called "MOVE THE HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO." Anne Anne, you are my hero also. I wanna be like you when (if) I ever grow up. :-)
DITTO! :-) Joanne
Indyguy1 wrote:
Well, then you haven’t been reading all the threads. I posted a number of time times prior to the Jennifer thread in the past week or so. In fact Anne R asked me a week or so ago where the heck I’d been.
Well, I did. I don’t know where this bit about you being a troll got started, but I personally have gotten quite a bit out of your posts in the past. I did think you were a little harsh to Jennifer there, she’s in a tough situation and dont’ forget she’s very young too. I remember being in love at 22, I’d go back there in a second! But I’ve also learned a lot of very tough things in these 28-33 years, and a LOT of them I didn’t know and wouldn’t have accepted at the beginning of my relationship. Some people arent’ ready to give up the pain. But I never thought of you as a troll… is somebody saying I did? Is that why my name came up? I was glad you were back when you started posting again! Anne
Anne wrote:
Indyguy1 wrote: Well, then you haven’t been reading all the threads. I posted a number of time times prior to the Jennifer thread in the past week or so. In fact Anne R asked me a week or so ago where the heck I’d been. Well, I did.
Thanks for backing me up.:) I don’t know where this bit about you being a troll got started,
but I personally have gotten quite a bit out of your posts in the past.
Thank you and I from yours.:) Not to mention a number of belly laughs! You are one funny lady! I did think
you were a little harsh to Jennifer there,
I agree and I did apologize. she’s in a tough situation and dont’ forget
she’s very young too. I remember being in love at 22, I’d go back there in a second!
LOL I should be so lucky to be able to remember that far aback.:) But
I’ve also learned a lot of very tough things in these 28-33 years, and a LOT of them I didn’t know and wouldn’t have accepted at the beginning of my
relationship.
Some people arent’ ready to give up the pain.
How true.
But I never thought of you as a troll… is somebody saying I did?
No. Apparently lil and Geri were discussing that I was most likely a troll. I guess lil also brought it up at Shay’s baby shower. Is that
why my name came up?
No *I* brought up your name as I knew you would remember I had posted prior to the infamous Jennifer thread. Lil had thought I had not posted in a long while and felt I caused some sort of riff between her and Merrie and then wasn’t around again until this Jennifer thing. Leading her to asssume I was a troll. I was glad you were back when you started posting again! Thanks for saying that Anne. Indy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
Anne
I, for one, have a HUGE problem with this. When Mike and I were having problems, you could have never, ever, ever convinced me that Tori was better off with a f— up for a dad and a mother who did everything. I was a single parent in a two parent home. When he told me that he’d give up his parental rights in order NOT to pay CS, I was so thrilled! I’d have gone with that deal in a heart beat! I was NOT going to stay in a marriage where I was cussed out daily, told that HIS son was perfect and it was ME that had the problem, one night I had a boot shoved in my face because MY dog chewed it up. I can remember another night I was sick and asked Mike to let Tori lie with him for a minute. I’m in the bathroom throwing up, Tori’s crying – and he’s yelling at her for crying! Yeah, this is a marriage I would have stayed in for my child’s sake. Don’t think so. My daughter would have been better off without the father, thank you very much. Of course, since Mike has gotten his act together, Tori likes the father he’s become and Mike has realized that everyone making excuses for his son has given him a reason NOT to accept responsibility for his problems (hence, the running away because he got caught with drugs – it’s easier to run than deal with the consequences). Unfortunately, my SS had 13 1/2 years to have everyone feel sorry for him and justify WHY he shouldn’t have to face consequences for his actions. Lying? Oh, that’s just him – he lies so much, I don’t think he knows how to tell the truth any more. Stealing? Oh, no, he’d never do that. Yeah, we’re trying to work on the marriage, but between the son’s attitude, Mike’s parents attitude of we can do no right and SS can do no wrong, and the ex’s attitude of she’s a better parent – there are days I’d rather live in Alaska than continue this marriage. "Indyguy1" <indyg…@aol.com
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I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels
that
parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.) From my understanding she feels couples should try their best to work out
their
differances for the sake of everyone, including themselves, in families. Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri?
"Wendy A. S. Taylor" <ccx…@coventry.ac.uk
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Well I have to say that I didn’t read anything offensive, or troll like in her post.
Did you read anything particularly helpful or supportive in it? I didn’t.
It’s your perogative to killfile her if you want, but why say so on the newsgroup.
Um…because it came up in a conversation with Geri? Did it offend you in some way I don’t know about? Is there some new content bylaw on here that I maybe missed?
Other people can and will make their own minds up about who and what to read.
Of course they can. Good Lord, where was it I said that everyone should ignore her or kill her? Geri said that she suspected that she was a troll and I commented that I thought so too. I changed the subject because I was no longer discussing Oprah. Get a grip, hon. When exactly did you become the newsgroup police? lil — "It’s hard when you discover what keeps you going keeps you all alone." – Blue Rodeo
Anne Robotti <robo…@worldnet.att.net
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HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO."
Anne anne anne anne anne – ROFLLL.
"rebecca" <justrebec…@yahoo.com
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Hmm… lil, I always thought Al was pretty reasonable
Alan *was* pretty reasonable. But his character wasn’t consistent. For instance, he was only more than happy to trash Enricho Suave for his comments, but before he left he jumped down our throats for the way *we* responded to him. There’s more, but it’s kind of hard to explain. It was never intended to start a major discussion, I was just making a comment. :-) lil — "It’s hard when you discover what keeps you going keeps you all alone." – Blue Rodeo
Hey Tea, I’m sure I won’t be the only one saying this. Mediation..(and Vicki will correct me if I’m wrong, hopefully) Mediation is a fabulous avenue for parents like you, who are *able* to agree, and can set "looser" terms to the children’s custody schedules. However, if you’ve been lurking long, you’ll have already found that a large part of this group comes from situations that this would be impossible…and unfortunately the courts do have to have the end say. Even then, justice or fairness doesn’t always happen. So..basically you are correct, the system assumes there is a war going on, because if there is no prior agreement reached…that is the ground the courts see them on. ange In article <gKFH5.112147$47.1480…@news.bc.tac.net
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"Hilander" <hilan…@block.lightspeed.ca
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"Indyguy1" <indyg…@aol.com wrote in message news:20001019014520.00976.00000407@ng-fo1.aol.com… But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and
who
shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way
parents
act post-divorce stand on their own. This is a valid point. My ex and I are not yet legally divorced [can't afford it financially
at
this time] but have been living seperate and apart for almost 5 years. We’ve both looked into doing it ourselves but are afraid that we might
get
something wrong on the paper and can’t afford [financially] to be
making
those kinds of mistakes only to have to do it again. What gets both of us is how the ’system’ is set up. We do get along
fairly
well as people but as parents, we are both on the same page and have
no
problems. The ’system’ however, not only assumes there must be a
‘war’ but
there is so much there that we believe provokes negative feelings when
there
needn’t be. We have joint custody and guardianship. We do NOT like the idea of
courts
telling either of us when we can or can’t see kids because we have
always
worked it out verbally with no problems and we can’t imagine how
difficult
it must be on adults as well as kids if there is no flexibility. Life
is
not static. It is dynamic! But the papers we looked at default to one parent or the other having
’sole
custody’. Why? If we were ‘pushed’ into that route [through lawyers, family and friends] then I can see how it would cause negative
feelings
because your mind is then tuned to look for ‘negatives’ in one parent
over
the other as a parent. Not healthy. At a time like that, wouldn’t it be better for kids if the system
helped
promote and celebrate the *strengths* of both parents and how those strengths could compliment and work well with each other as parents?! I don’t want a piece of paper telling me that ex can only see kids on weekends. What if they have a weekday off from school and dad has
tickets
to the hockey game? What if one of the kids has been invited to a
birthday
party on the weekend and doesn’t want to go away that day? While in some cases, the personality of the individual parents may be
a big
problem for the divorce process and/or seperation, I also see that the system and even societal attitude towards divorce/seperation pushes
people
into seperate corners of the mat when they might not have gone there
in the
first place. I don’t think seperation/divorce is bad for kids, however, the current process and aftermath as it is set up today I do believe has a
detrimental
effect on *everyone* involved unless they actively and consciously
work
around/against the system. Chat later, Tea
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wrote: "Geri and Brian" <gplen…@aol.comicrelief wrote in message news:20001019034446.05269.00000435@ng-cb1.aol.com… Are you a troll? Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we *weren’t* mothers in any way, shape or form. She had a couple of serious sounding posts, one of which started something of a dispute between Merrie and I. I couldn’t help but notice that *during* this dispute, Indy was nowhere to be seen. When I was down in Tacoma for Shay’s baby shower, I’d mentioned that I suspected that she was just trolling. Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since, and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody. So now I’m basically certain that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts.
Oh shut teh hell up. YOur ignorant McCarthyesque accusations are pathetic at best. STop trying to be a netcop. Loev, Poopie Pants
Geri wrote:
Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri? I don’t have a strong opinion about it one way or the other. Are you a troll?
Nope. But I see you’d like to portray me as one, seeing as I don’t always agree with the way you see and do things.
You are rude to everyone.
Everyone? Hardly. Indy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
lil wrote:
"Geri and Brian" <gplen…@aol.comicrelief wrote in message news:20001019034446.05269.00000435@ng-cb1.aol.com… Are you a troll? Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we *weren’t* mothers in any way, shape or form.
Uh, excuse me. I do not know the people you speak of. I don’t even remember much of the thread. But I do remember I did NOT say step-mothers were not mothers in any way shape or form.
She had a couple of serious sounding posts, one of which started something of a dispute between Merrie and I.
I don’t recall any dispute between you and Merrie. But then again I am not a constant on this ng. And if you and Merrie disagree or any other posters on this or any other ng it is between the two of you or them not anyone else. And anything *I* post about or respond to I consider serious. I couldn’t help but notice that *during*
this dispute, Indy was nowhere to be seen.
Well hang me out to dry because I don’t check in here as often as others do. Geesh When I was down in Tacoma for
Shay’s baby shower, I’d mentioned that I suspected that she was just trolling.
I thought trolls came in and stirred up trouble then left. I asked questions. I gave comments. I come back because of our nephew and the mess he is in. There are some here that I really value their opinion. You were one of them. You might want to check the 15 years hence thread and see the compliment I paid you, earlier this week or last week.
Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since,
Well, then you haven’t been reading all the threads. I posted a number of time times prior to the Jennifer thread in the past week or so. In fact Anne R asked me a week or so ago where the heck I’d been. and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned
great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody.
I’m usually very calm in my responces on this ng. There was something that really bothered me about Jennifer’s stance on her b/f’s children, their mother and her role in the boy’s lives. Maybe it was her arrogance or the desire for her to see the boy’s mother out of their lives after only being their dad’s g/f for about one year, I’m not sure. But in the mean time I did apologize to her. Although from reading the way she responds to many of the good solid ideas she has been given it looks like she may not want any helpful sugestions, afterall. So now I’m basically certain
that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts.
If you choose to block my posts, Lil, that is your perogative. But to think I am a troll is not only false but really less than I expected of you. Indy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
lil
In a previous article, "Hilander" <hilan…@block.lightspeed.ca
said:
<I don’t want a piece of paper telling me that ex can only see kids on <weekends. What if they have a weekday off from school and dad has tickets <to the hockey game? What if one of the kids has been invited to a birthday <party on the weekend and doesn’t want to go away that day? Then so what? One of the things I stress with my mediation clients is that the agreement is for both of them, and that the separation police aren’t going to be checking to see if parenting time is going to go the way the document says it does. The doc is there to set basic expectations and to satisfy the court that everyone has knowledge of the important things. You can put it into practice **any** way that you and your ex want to. Any way at all. Total freedom to do that. See a mediator. It makes divorce *much* cheaper, especially when you and your ex get along as well as you seem to. Any competent mediator can put all the flexibility you want in your agreement. Vicki — Bring Dejanews back to life! See the petition at http://www2.petitionsonline.com/dejanews/petition.html and sign it. Help bring back a valuable Usenet resource!
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Do these whining *adult* brats think they would have been any happier in a home where their parents were two miserable people who *should* have been divorced? Been there, done that, NEVER going back. One of the things I always promised myself I’d do for my children is have the strength and courage to get divorced if their Dad and I really couldn’t work things out. I made this promise to myself when I was *nine years old.* If kids need counseling to get them through the divorce, to help them cope, I’m all for it. But this Oprah thing is going to be another attempt to excuse these people’s actions as adults because of their pain as a child. I had pain as a child too, every- body did. I wish some talk show host would do a program called "MOVE THE HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO." Anne
Anne, you are my hero also. I wanna be like you when (if) I ever grow up. :-) Anne H. "To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might be the world."
"Indyguy1" <indyg…@aol.com
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But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and who shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way parents
act
post-divorce stand on their own.
This is a valid point. My ex and I are not yet legally divorced [can't afford it financially at this time] but have been living seperate and apart for almost 5 years. We’ve both looked into doing it ourselves but are afraid that we might get something wrong on the paper and can’t afford [financially] to be making those kinds of mistakes only to have to do it again. What gets both of us is how the ’system’ is set up. We do get along fairly well as people but as parents, we are both on the same page and have no problems. The ’system’ however, not only assumes there must be a ‘war’ but there is so much there that we believe provokes negative feelings when there needn’t be. We have joint custody and guardianship. We do NOT like the idea of courts telling either of us when we can or can’t see kids because we have always worked it out verbally with no problems and we can’t imagine how difficult it must be on adults as well as kids if there is no flexibility. Life is not static. It is dynamic! But the papers we looked at default to one parent or the other having ’sole custody’. Why? If we were ‘pushed’ into that route [through lawyers, family and friends] then I can see how it would cause negative feelings because your mind is then tuned to look for ‘negatives’ in one parent over the other as a parent. Not healthy. At a time like that, wouldn’t it be better for kids if the system helped promote and celebrate the *strengths* of both parents and how those strengths could compliment and work well with each other as parents?! I don’t want a piece of paper telling me that ex can only see kids on weekends. What if they have a weekday off from school and dad has tickets to the hockey game? What if one of the kids has been invited to a birthday party on the weekend and doesn’t want to go away that day? While in some cases, the personality of the individual parents may be a big problem for the divorce process and/or seperation, I also see that the system and even societal attitude towards divorce/seperation pushes people into seperate corners of the mat when they might not have gone there in the first place. I don’t think seperation/divorce is bad for kids, however, the current process and aftermath as it is set up today I do believe has a detrimental effect on *everyone* involved unless they actively and consciously work around/against the system. Chat later, Tea
lilblakdog <lbdcreati…@dog.com
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Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we
*weren’t*
mothers in any way, shape or form.
Hmm… lil, I always thought Al was pretty reasonable, and IIRC, everyone _did_ jump straight down his wife’s (Ginny?) throat for whatever comment she made. Go figger.
Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced.
I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels that parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.) ~~~~~~~~~~ Geri ^ ^
’ ’ <
"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast."- Anonymous ~~~~~~~~~~
Geri wrote:
Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels that parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.)
From my understanding she feels couples should try their best to work out their differances for the sake of everyone, including themselves, in families. Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri? But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and who shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way parents act post-divorce stand on their own. Gee, I wonder if the poor results of children of divorce that she followed for 25 years could be part of the reason she would prefer to see families stick together? Indy
Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri?
I don’t have a strong opinion about it one way or the other. Are you a troll? You are rude to everyone. ~~~~~~~~~~ Geri ^ ^
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"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast."- Anonymous ~~~~~~~~~~
"Geri and Brian" <gplen…@aol.comicrelief
wrote in message
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Are you a troll?
Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we *weren’t* mothers in any way, shape or form. She had a couple of serious sounding posts, one of which started something of a dispute between Merrie and I. I couldn’t help but notice that *during* this dispute, Indy was nowhere to be seen. When I was down in Tacoma for Shay’s baby shower, I’d mentioned that I suspected that she was just trolling. Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since, and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody. So now I’m basically certain that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts. lil — "It’s hard when you discover what keeps you going keeps you all alone." – Blue Rodeo
In article <tyyH5.1009$sq4.23…@newscontent-01.sprint.ca
,
lilblakdog <lbdcreati…@dog.com
wrote: Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since, and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody. So now I’m basically certain that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts.
Well I have to say that I didn’t read anything offensive, or troll like in her post. It’s your perogative to killfile her if you want, but why say so on the newsgroup. Other people can and will make their own minds up about who and what to read. Wendy
In article <20001018220913.15571.00000…@ng-cv1.aol.com
, posted 19 Oct
2000 02:09:13 GMT, Geri and Brian says…
Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels that parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.)
You know, my mother stayed in her marriage for her children’s sake, for my sake. I unconsciously learned that I was responsible for my mother’s unhappy life. I heard about her sacrifice almost every day. It took me six years after leaving to realise that I was in a land of psychological torture, and I’m still dealing with the crap ten years later. If Wallerstein has a study stating that people should stay in unhappy marriages for the children’s sake, she’s shot herself in the foot. K**** — Quotes of a five year old girl: "I felt some wriggly things on my head but they were only my own two fingers playing with themselves. I thought it might be a worm."
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, Karla <ka…@ntcorp.com wrote: Gee, I wonder if the poor results of children of divorce that she followed for 25 years could be part of the reason she would prefer to see families stick together? I know that one of the flaws in the scientific method is that people tend to skew results to support their hypothesis…especially in the social sciences. It’s too bad because the scientific method is supposed
The social sciences are very difficult to be scientific in because it is almost impossible to control extraneous factors.
to allow you the chance to examine data to see if your hypothesis is right or wrong, but because of the way grant money and other financial resources tied to "results," people now actively skew the data to support their hypothesis or risk becoming labeled as a non-producer and loosing financial support.
This is true even in the sciences. 
Mark Twain said there are three types of lies: Lies, damned lies and statistics. There’s a reason for that. I’ve worked in marketing, I know that you tell the "professionals" what you want to prove and they find the data to support your findings.
One of my favourite authors.
The main criticism I have read on this book (I’m on the waiting list for the book, so I haven’t read it yet) is that her conclusions are flawed due to unequal comparisions. In other words, she’s not comparing apples and apples, she’s comparing apples and oranges and declaring that the apples rule.
I haven’t read the book, nor seen the programme, but I have done quite a lot of reading on the subject of academic performance and divorce This is quite an interesting URL: www.prospect.org/archives/18/18mcla.html I know it is harder to supervise two children doing homework, on my own, and still make sure supper, dishes, etc. all get done. I know that I can’t control what is being done at my ex’s, though this isn’t to say that he doesn’t care or try in his own fashion. After the counselling you went through, Karla, did they give any counselling/advice for you and your ex for co-parenting thereafter? Wendy
I have been reading the threads started by Judith. I understand her pain and dissapointment because of her adult children’s actions. Perhaps by understanding more about the long lasting effects of divorce on children and how children may not be as reslient as some adults who have divorced wish to believe they are many step-parents, along with birth-parents, can understand more fully why adult children do and say the things they do and say. Not that I am saying Judith’s kids were correct in their treatment of her, as I don’t feel they were. Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. The people she speaks with and about in her books are now adults. She followed them from the time of divorce in their childhood into adulthood. I don’t know if steps will be addressed in her interview, but even if they aren’t, I’m sure this show will give all parents who raise or help raise children that have been touched by divorce a better idea of what divorce does to children and how the parent’s actions impact the children’s lives into adulthood. This might be worth taping if you won’t be home when Oprah is on. Heck, it might be good enough that your spouse and you should view it together! If it’s *really* good it might be worth sending a copy to your ex or your spouses ex.:) Indy (who already read the book and can’t wait for the interview!)
Sorry Indy, but OH GAG! I know I’m going to sound just evil when I say this, but I’m sick of bending over backwards to understand the effects of divorce on the poor little angels. Sometimes people get divorced, sometimes people die, and I just think it’s a symptom of everything that’s wrong with our society that we coddle kids through this and excuse their most selfish actions by trying to "understand their point of view." Do these whining *adult* brats think they would have been any happier in a home where their parents were two miserable people who *should* have been divorced? Been there, done that, NEVER going back. One of the things I always promised myself I’d do for my children is have the strength and courage to get divorced if their Dad and I really couldn’t work things out. I made this promise to myself when I was *nine years old.* If kids need counseling to get them through the divorce, to help them cope, I’m all for it. But this Oprah thing is going to be another attempt to excuse these people’s actions as adults because of their pain as a child. I had pain as a child too, every- body did. I wish some talk show host would do a program called "MOVE THE HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO." Anne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Indyguy1 wrote:
I have been reading the threads started by Judith. I understand her pain and dissapointment because of her adult children’s actions. Perhaps by understanding more about the long lasting effects of divorce on children and how children may not be as reslient as some adults who have divorced wish to believe they are many step-parents, along with birth-parents, can understand more fully why adult children do and say the things they do and say. Not that I am saying Judith’s kids were correct in their treatment of her, as I don’t feel they were. Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. The people she speaks with and about in her books are now adults. She followed them from the time of divorce in their childhood into adulthood. I don’t know if steps will be addressed in her interview, but even if they aren’t, I’m sure this show will give all parents who raise or help raise children that have been touched by divorce a better idea of what divorce does to children and how the parent’s actions impact the children’s lives into adulthood. This might be worth taping if you won’t be home when Oprah is on. Heck, it might be good enough that your spouse and you should view it together! If it’s *really* good it might be worth sending a copy to your ex or your spouses ex.:) Indy (who already read the book and can’t wait for the interview!)
I think the data is useless without the proper comparison – which wouldn’t be happy families that stayed together, but rather families that stayed together and should have been divorced. I think her findings are faulty. How can she determine if the poor results of children are due the divorce rather than the bad relationship between the parents? Where are the results of children raised by acrimonious parents that didn’t divorce? How can we quantify the level of acrimony so that we can isolate that from divorce and be able to distinguish if it’s divorce that’s causative or the acrimony? Merrie Indyguy1 <indyg…@aol.com
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But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and who shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way parents
act
post-divorce stand on their own. Gee, I wonder if the poor results of children of divorce that she followed
for
25 years could be part of the reason she would prefer to see families
stick
together? Indy
Hi this is Ray from Mississippi I too just found out about depression and really ned to vent a little. as well as I have some questions….
Edward from Florida says …. A real good place to start is Dr Ivan Goldberg’s Depression Central: http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.html Edward Reid
Hi Ray I saw your post and wanted to let you know you are reaching me hey it does not matter how old you are to get your life in order hope that you get yourself together and do what is right for you no matter what anyone else thinks take care and good luck
PLEASE don’t give up on all mood stabilizers! If your diagnosis is correct, an anti-depressant alone could trigger a manic episode. I too was left dazed and confused by lithium and others. My work as an engineer requires alot of mental concentration and use of math and sciences…stuff I had taken for granted had become increasingly difficult, even the simplest tasks! I now take Lamictal (300mg) and Effexor(75mg) with Klonepin(.5mg) for sleep. Welbutrin made me near-anorexic (the very smell of food made me gag) and the closest to suicidal that I have ever been! I literally had to beg my pdoc to switch me back to Effexor…he kept increasing Welbutrin despite my insistance that it was not working for me…because, he said, it is a "very good" drug. Well, there are no good drugs/ bad drugs, just ones that work better or worse for an individual! Too often pdocs loose site of the patient sitting before them. Good luck with whatever you decide, but I’d consider Lamictal if you haven’t already tried it. Desiree’
Welcome…..feel free to talk away. CJ<telescope down
Amy, Thanks! Wonder if that means I’m addicted to the ole B/F . . . I’m going to look up that book. (o: — Kath From here on my branch I can choose to plunge or soar. I think I shall sit a while longer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a book called "the Craving Brain" (I think, I have a Poor Memory Brain) that explores different activities and how they affect chemicals in the brain. <snip
Hey there! Today I decided I wasn’t going to be a victim anymore and feel bad anymore from meds so I could keep a job and have no excuses for excessive absences. I think I have been misdiagnosed as BPII. I think I suffer from chronic depression and anxiety just like everyone else in my immediate and extended family. Right now I am depressed, but anyone would be after losing their job AGAIN and this time out of the blue after buying a 2 unit house. That kind of depression there are no pills for you just get through it and move on. I have stopped taking my tegretol, but keeping my klonopin and periactin so I can sleep at night for now. Seeing my pdoc tomorrow, telling her about my decision and asking for her support to manage my anxiety and sleeping. I also want her to think about what anit-depressant I may need to use in the future. Wellbutrin sounds good especially since I have had such a lack of energy and brain power since I’ve been on mood stabilizers. I hate them because they slowed my brain down and I couldn’t think or do complex tasks or remember anything. I couldn’t do math or find words or spell. I used to be so with it. I hope now I can get better, think better, work better, love better and live better. I am going to enjoy life!!!!!! I am going to feel happy for the first time in 8 years. Wish me luck! Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kathy, Sounds encouraging! I started on Wellbutrin about a week ago (oops, that reminds me: I forgot to take my pill this am . . . brb . . . ah, that’s better) at a dose of 2×100mg/day and I’m already feeling somewhat better. My understanding is that it increases Dopamine levels in the brain. Which leads me to a question for our resident experts: I felt much less depressed this past weekend when I was spending time with my boyfriend. I find spending time with him enjoyable. Does enjoyment also increase dopamine levels? I have been meaning to look this up on the net, but haven’t managed to do so yet. Thanks for your assistance in the meantime. — Kath From here on my branch I can choose to plunge or soar. I think I shall sit a while longer. Well I went to my new pdoc appt. yesterday. She seems pretty cool. Uses humor alot. I like that. Also a little cautious. She really didn’t want to change anything until she received records from my previous pdoc and my primary care provider. She did mention about putting me on Wellbutrin. She said Wellbutrin provides "energy" in her patients and lifts that depression right up". Well something like that. Right now since the Zoloft isn’t working she is weening me off of it. I see her in another two weeks. Well that’s it for now. Wish I had more to write to all of you. Love to you all! Kathy
Hi Ray, welcome,there’s some good advice here. I’m 51 still don’t have my shit together. Take Care Caddy
Welcome Ray from mississippi I was off of work for 8 weeks late last year, I dont know what your suspended means? Is it a leave of absence? I need more info to answer this better. Welcome again you will find this group helpful maybe you just posted before on a bad day ..always, Treacha ..as the twig bends…so the tree grows…
You go girl. Lisa, mom of FF. "Fear can hold you prisoner, hope can set you free." The Shawshank Redemption
Ray Wilson wrote : Hi this is Ray from Mississippi well dont think i got a responce from my last post and I would like verry much to join this newsgroup…. I just dont know if you’all see what Im posting today is the 27th at 5:00 pm exactly
I see ya, loud and clear, welcome. I too just found out about depression and really ned to vent a little.
YOu are in the right place. < as well as I have some questions…. My job suspended me from work… I’m in my 3rd week.. I cant help but think this is a setp takeing by them to get rid of me ??? Do I have any rights ??? what about the pills I’m on.. anyone have enough experance to tell me about them a little???
Well, I’ll leave all that to the others who are knowledgeable. < God I feel so lost and alone almost too embarrased to tell anyone.. I havent even year I guess I feel I should have my shit togeather by now and dont
Well, you know what my mama used to tell me? " Honey, it’s not a sin to get lice, it’s a sin to keep it." You are headed in the right direction. <…. I reall would like to hear from anyone just seeing this note so that i know its going out…. well Im not a big talker just dont want to spill my guts and find out latter that nobody heard me (again). this is really new to me…. thanks in advance - Ray
That’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it. Lisa, mom of FF. — "Fear can hold you prisoner, hope can set you free." The Shawshank Redemption snipped all underneath.
Hi this is Ray from Mississippi well dont think i got a responce from my last post and I would like verry much to join this newsgroup…. I just dont know if you’all see what Im posting today is the 27th at 5:00 pm exactly I too just found out about depression and really ned to vent a little. as well as I have some questions…. My job suspended me from work… I’m in my 3rd week.. I cant help but think this is a setp takeing by them to get rid of me ??? Do I have any rights ??? what about the pills I’m on.. anyone have enough experance to tell me about them a little??? God I feel so lost and alone almost too embarrased to tell anyone.. I havent even year I guess I feel I should have my shit togeather by now and dont…. I reall would like to hear from anyone just seeing this note so that i know its going out…. well Im not a big talker just dont want to spill my guts and find out latter that nobody heard me (again). this is really new to me…. thanks in advance - Ray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I went to my new pdoc appt. yesterday. She seems pretty cool. Uses humor alot. I like that. Also a little cautious. She really didn’t want to change anything until she received records from my previous pdoc and my primary care provider. She did mention about putting me on Wellbutrin. She said Wellbutrin provides "energy" in her patients and lifts that depression right up". Well something like that. Right now since the Zoloft isn’t working she is weening me off of it. I see her in another two weeks. Well that’s it for now. Wish I had more to write to all of you. Love to you all! Kathy
Hello Ray, welcome to the group. (so obviously I see your post ) A lot of people here know a great deal about your rights and about meds, but I think you’ll have to be a bit more specific. What kind of pills are you taking? Sounds like you were recently diagnosed. This really is the right place to come for information and for support. Sometimes it just takes a while-there’s SO many posts…… Hang in there and take care, Amy Hi this is Ray from Mississippi well dont think i got a responce from my last post and I would like verry much to join this newsgroup…. I just dont know if you’all see what Im posting today is the 27th at 5:00 pm exactly
snip …. well Im not a big talker just dont want to spill my – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -guts and find out latter that nobody heard me (again). this is really new to me…. thanks in advance - Ray
Yes, you do have job rights. As a first step, check (or better yet, have a friend at work check if you can) what the standard company policy is for sick leave for any illness. For example, you may have 3 months to get back to your existing job, 6 months to get back to an "equivalent" job. It doesn’t matter what the illness is, so your friend doesn’t have to specify he/she is asking on your behalf or about your illness. If your company doesn’t have a written policy (but I bet they do), then you may have to do some further searching for an answer. But, start with the simple question first. Also, you said "suspended," but I am assuming extended sick leave. Is that what you mean? Hope this helps – I’ve been through this, too, as have a lot of people in this group. Sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi this is Ray from Mississippi …. My job suspended me from work… I’m in my 3rd week.. I cant help but think this is a setp takeing by them to get rid of me ??? Do I have any rights ?
Ray, 1) Be sure to tell your doctor you think they are setting you up at work. 2) Be sure to read the NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) homepage (www.NAMI.org ) Read the part about the Americans with Disabilities Act and "reasonable accomodations", in case this applies to your situation. Good luck and welcome to the newsgroup. — walleye – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi this is Ray from Mississippi well dont think i got a responce from my last post and I would like verry much to join this newsgroup…. I just dont know if you’all see what Im posting today is the 27th at 5:00 pm exactly I too just found out about depression and really ned to vent a little. as well as I have some questions…. My job suspended me from work… I’m in my 3rd week.. I cant help but think this is a setp takeing by them to get rid of me ??? Do I have any rights ??? what about the pills I’m on.. anyone have enough experance to tell me about them a little??? God I feel so lost and alone almost too embarrased to tell anyone.. I havent even year I guess I feel I should have my shit togeather by now and dont…. I reall would like to hear from anyone just seeing this note so that i know its going out…. well Im not a big talker just dont want to spill my guts and find out latter that nobody heard me (again). this is really new to me…. thanks in advance - Ray Well I went to my new pdoc appt. yesterday. She seems pretty cool. Uses humor alot. I like that. Also a little cautious. She really didn’t want to change anything until she received records from my previous pdoc and my primary care provider. She did mention about putting me on Wellbutrin. She said Wellbutrin provides "energy" in her patients and lifts that depression right up". Well something like that. Right now since the Zoloft isn’t working she is weening me off of it. I see her in another two weeks. Well that’s it for now. Wish I had more to write to all of you. Love to you all! Kathy
Got your post. Welcome. This is a great group. Kathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi this is Ray from Mississippi well dont think i got a responce from my last post and I would like verry much to join this newsgroup…. I just dont know if you’all see what Im posting today is the 27th at 5:00 pm exactly I too just found out about depression and really ned to vent a little. as well as I have some questions…. My job suspended me from work… I’m in my 3rd week.. I cant help but think this is a setp takeing by them to get rid of me ??? Do I have any rights ??? what about the pills I’m on.. anyone have enough experance to tell me about them a little??? God I feel so lost and alone almost too embarrased to tell anyone.. I havent even year I guess I feel I should have my shit togeather by now and dont…. I reall would like to hear from anyone just seeing this note so that i know its going out…. well Im not a big talker just dont want to spill my guts and find out latter that nobody heard me (again). this is really new to me…. thanks in advance - Ray Well I went to my new pdoc appt. yesterday. She seems pretty cool. Uses humor alot. I like that. Also a little cautious. She really didn’t want to change anything until she received records from my previous pdoc and my primary care provider. She did mention about putting me on Wellbutrin. She said Wellbutrin provides "energy" in her patients and lifts that depression right up". Well something like that. Right now since the Zoloft isn’t working she is weening me off of it. I see her in another two weeks. Well that’s it for now. Wish I had more to write to all of you. Love to you all! Kathy
Well I went to my new pdoc appt. yesterday. She seems pretty cool. Uses humor alot. I like that. Also a little cautious. She really didn’t want to change anything until she received records from my previous pdoc and my primary care provider. She did mention about putting me on Wellbutrin. She said Wellbutrin provides "energy" in her patients and lifts that depression right up". Well something like that. Right now since the Zoloft isn’t working she is weening me off of it. I see her in another two weeks. Well that’s it for now. Wish I had more to write to all of you. Love to you all! Kathy
Kathy, I hope it works out for you. Lisa, mom of FF. — "Fear can hold you prisoner, hope can set you free." The Shawshank Redemption – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I went to my new pdoc appt. yesterday. She seems pretty cool. Uses humor alot. I like that. Also a little cautious. She really didn’t want to change anything until she received records from my previous pdoc and my primary care provider. She did mention about putting me on Wellbutrin. She said Wellbutrin provides "energy" in her patients and lifts that depression right up". Well something like that. Right now since the Zoloft isn’t working she is weening me off of it. I see her in another two weeks. Well that’s it for now. Wish I had more to write to all of you. Love to you all! Kathy
Kathy, Sounds encouraging! I started on Wellbutrin about a week ago (oops, that reminds me: I forgot to take my pill this am . . . brb . . . ah, that’s better) at a dose of 2×100mg/day and I’m already feeling somewhat better. My understanding is that it increases Dopamine levels in the brain. Which leads me to a question for our resident experts: I felt much less depressed this past weekend when I was spending time with my boyfriend. I find spending time with him enjoyable. Does enjoyment also increase dopamine levels? I have been meaning to look this up on the net, but haven’t managed to do so yet. Thanks for your assistance in the meantime. — Kath From here on my branch I can choose to plunge or soar. I think I shall sit a while longer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I went to my new pdoc appt. yesterday. She seems pretty cool. Uses humor alot. I like that. Also a little cautious. She really didn’t want to change anything until she received records from my previous pdoc and my primary care provider. She did mention about putting me on Wellbutrin. She said Wellbutrin provides "energy" in her patients and lifts that depression right up". Well something like that. Right now since the Zoloft isn’t working she is weening me off of it. I see her in another two weeks. Well that’s it for now. Wish I had more to write to all of you. Love to you all! Kathy
There’s a book called "the Craving Brain" (I think, I have a Poor Memory Brain) that explores different activities and how they affect chemicals in the brain. Most of it is about addictions, but there were parts on how being with people helps (and why-chemically) and how even altruistic behavior can have an effect on ….o heck, I WAS doing good there. It is either dopamine or seratonin. But both are "feel good" ones, right? Take care, Amy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kathy, Sounds encouraging! I started on Wellbutrin about a week ago (oops, that reminds me: I forgot to take my pill this am . . . brb . . . ah, that’s better) at a dose of 2×100mg/day and I’m already feeling somewhat better. My understanding is that it increases Dopamine levels in the brain. Which leads me to a question for our resident experts: I felt much less depressed this past weekend when I was spending time with my boyfriend. I find spending time with him enjoyable. Does enjoyment also increase dopamine levels? I have been meaning to look this up on the net, but haven’t managed to do so yet. Thanks for your assistance in the meantime. — Kath From here on my branch I can choose to plunge or soar. I think I shall sit a while longer.
Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft? I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week. Teeth hurt too. My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months). Maybe it causes teeth clenching? I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.
Hi Will, I never had TMJ while taking Zoloft, but I did have other ill effects. My mother recently did too. From our experiences, I’d say it’s a pretty good guess that what happened to you may well have been from the drug. While Zoloft seems to work well for some people, IMO the medical community has a ways to go toward identifying & understanding its range of adverse reactions. Hope these anecdotes help: I tried switching from Nardil to Zoloft a few years ago. Took it for about a month, I think… hard to remember as I was in a complete fog during the entire period. Anyway, it made me a zombie as well – I felt no trace of humanity in or around me while on it. It virtually left me unable to *feel* anything at all, or to *think*, for that matter. It was when I stopped taking it to go back on Nardil, and was waiting the required period for it to clear out of my system, that some really bizarre and frightening symptoms appeared. I had intense, violent hallucinations that scared the bejeezus out of me (the *only* hallucinations I’ve ever had, BTW … well, that is if you don’t count the effects of certain substances I ingested in younger days 8- ). I also was unbelievably anxious during this withdrawal period, which lasted about a week (I think) but felt like an eternity. My mother, who’s in her 70s, was prescribed Zoloft for depression a month ago by her cardiologist. She stopped taking it after three weeks because it induced the same zombie effect in her. She had no withdrawal symptoms at all. Apparently her depression was transient because it seems to have subsided as well. Yesterday she felt like getting off the couch and going *out* for the first time since the depression hit. I took her shopping and she did just fine. Glad your TMJ and teeth pain stopped. And I hope you’ve found another med that works better for you. Take care. Redroad — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
I have heard of this phenomena before, may have been good that you dc’d Zoloft. Randy.
Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft? I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week. Teeth hurt too. My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months). Maybe it causes teeth clenching? I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.
Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft? I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week. Teeth hurt too. My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months). Maybe it causes teeth clenching? I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.
S’not weird, if Zoloft is anything like paxil. And they are both SSRIs. I have TMJ (from teeth clenching) and it got, oh, (this is a rough estimate) about a BAZILLION times worse when I started the paxil. My dear (well, sometimes dear) pdoc said it was a not common but not rare side effect. So it sounds like yer pdoc is a quack, OR Zoloft and paxil are different. But I do think they are pretty similar. Ten days really isn’t enough time to see if an AD is going to help, though if your jaw pain was unbearable… And when paxil worked for me, I felt like a zombie until I was put on a theraputic (heigh enough) dose. So if you feel like another go at it would help, there are plenty of ADs to try. I hope you can find one that works, if it’s what you need. Good good luck, Bizzy Heather, if you were happy every day of your life, you wouldn’t be a human being. You’d be a game show host. Veronica Sawyer, Heathers
Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft? I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week. Teeth hurt too. My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months). Maybe it causes teeth clenching? I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.
Usually it takes much longer than 10 days for it to have an effect. I wonder if the teeth-clenching had to do with some sort of sleep disruption from the drug — particularly if you were feeling like a zombie. Mike. — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I’ve been takin valium (as needed ) to try to endure panic attacks. : This, however, does not let me enjoy the outdoor activities I used to : love. My doctor thinks I should give anti-depressants a try. Has : anyone ever used this drug and if so, does it help the "thought : process" or take away any of the "fear" or avoidance of certain : places? I would appreciate any info on this drug. : I was just put on Zoloft in February, 96 for panic disorder. It was a : gradually increasing dosage because of my sensitivity to these types : of drugs (Prozac, Effexor etc.) Meanwhile I am still doing 2 mg./daily : of Xanax. I am up to 50mg. of Zoloft now and its been 8 weeks. I do : notice a slight difference in my mood and attitude. The game plan is : to wean me off the Xanax and increase the Zoloft until I am Xanax : free. I don’t completely buy this yet because the Zoloft still makes : me feel speedy and uncomfortable. I don’t know if it will eventually : help me although my shrink says give it time. In the end, only YOU : know what’s right for your body. Incidentally, I was on Valium for : many years but switched to Xanax. It’s a lot safer. I was diagnosed with depression last october and was immediately put on Zoloft. After on it for a few months I realized that my anxiety was almost completely gone. My depression, however, started coming back to what it was before Zoloft. I recently stopped it to take Manerix and my anxiety came back full force and I started having severe panic attacks. For me, Zoloft was amazing for anxiety but everyone’s different. —
My experiences are quite similar vto Paula’s. I have been on Zoloft for over a year, and it is the best med I have used for PD. I have previously been on Ativan, Xanax, Tofrenil (made me sleep 20 hrs a day), Elavil, Thorazine, Stelozine, Valium and a host of others. -Scott
: I’ve been takin valium (as needed ) to try to endure panic attacks. : This, however, does not let me enjoy the outdoor activities I used to : love. My doctor thinks I should give anti-depressants a try. Has : anyone ever used this drug and if so, does it help the "thought : process" or take away any of the "fear" or avoidance of certain : places? I would appreciate any info on this drug. : I was just put on Zoloft in February, 96 for panic disorder. It was a : gradually increasing dosage because of my sensitivity to these types : of drugs (Prozac, Effexor etc.) Meanwhile I am still doing 2 mg./daily : of Xanax. I am up to 50mg. of Zoloft now and its been 8 weeks. I do : notice a slight difference in my mood and attitude. The game plan is : to wean me off the Xanax and increase the Zoloft until I am Xanax : free. I don’t completely buy this yet because the Zoloft still makes : me feel speedy and uncomfortable. I don’t know if it will eventually : help me although my shrink says give it time. In the end, only YOU : know what’s right for your body. Incidentally, I was on Valium for : many years but switched to Xanax. It’s a lot safer. I was diagnosed with depression last october and was immediately put on Zoloft. After on it for a few months I realized that my anxiety was almost completely gone. My depression, however, started coming back to what it was before Zoloft. I recently stopped it to take Manerix and my anxiety came back full force and I started having severe panic attacks. For me, Zoloft was amazing for anxiety but everyone’s different. — | Owner of Absolutely Nothing in Mount Pearl, NF | above are not those of | | Musician at heart, nobody by trade, writer of | the writer, James Oakley,| | garbage, student at Cabot College in St. John’s| but are those of the | | Newfoundland, Canada. My telephone number only| voices in his head, Larry|
I’ve been takin valium (as needed ) to try to endure panic attacks. This, however, does not let me enjoy the outdoor activities I used to love. My doctor thinks I should give anti-depressants a try. Has anyone ever used this drug and if so, does it help the "thought process" or take away any of the "fear" or avoidance of certain places? I would appreciate any info on this drug.
I was just put on Zoloft in February, 96 for panic disorder. It was a gradually increasing dosage because of my sensitivity to these types of drugs (Prozac, Effexor etc.) Meanwhile I am still doing 2 mg./daily of Xanax. I am up to 50mg. of Zoloft now and its been 8 weeks. I do notice a slight difference in my mood and attitude. The game plan is to wean me off the Xanax and increase the Zoloft until I am Xanax free. I don’t completely buy this yet because the Zoloft still makes me feel speedy and uncomfortable. I don’t know if it will eventually help me although my shrink says give it time. In the end, only YOU know what’s right for your body. Incidentally, I was on Valium for many years but switched to Xanax. It’s a lot safer.
I’ve been takin valium (as needed ) to try to endure panic attacks. This, however, does not let me enjoy the outdoor activities I used to love. My doctor thinks I should give anti-depressants a try. Has anyone ever used this drug and if so, does it help the "thought process" or take away any of the "fear" or avoidance of certain places? I would appreciate any info on this drug.
I have used Zoloft for a little over 2 years, was drug free for a year and a half, and now have been on Zoloft again for a little over a year. I took Valium for about 5 years, and it wrecked me. The Zoloft works very, very well for me. -Scott
I’ve been takin valium (as needed ) to try to endure panic attacks. This, however, does not let me enjoy the outdoor activities I used to love. My doctor thinks I should give anti-depressants a try. Has anyone ever used this drug and if so, does it help the "thought process" or take away any of the "fear" or avoidance of certain places? I would appreciate any info on this drug.