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i notice that when i do NYC races in central park (freddiemac 5K most recently) i become terribly asthmatic after about a mile.  i don’t have this problem in the NJ suburbs where i live and run other races. i am on asthma medications (serevent, flovent and nasonex.) and these do a good job for me. wondering if it’s the air quality in central park. -rei

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wondering if it’s the air quality in central park.

It could very well be. I would think the ground level pollution is higher in NYC (more concentration of cars) than in the suburbs…particularly in the warmer months. For example, I used to have chronic bronchitus when I lived in the city.  When I moved to NJ the problem cleared up. Johanna "forever young" Young

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Your ankles swell(edema) because the Prednisolone is causing damage to your body. Not knowing anything about Predn…, I suggest you try to do without this particular drug and its body damaging(side effects). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on salbutamol, atrovent, serevent and flixotide inhalers as well as theophylline tablets for a long time, without any side effects, but as soon as I have to take prednisolone my ankles swell significantly.  Each time I take a course of steroids it seems worse and takes longer to resolve after I stop them,eg still getting swollen ankles 2 months later.  I also have a lot of unexplained bruising on my lower legs – anybody else get this?

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Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit.

I had something like that happen some years ago…I never got a definitive diagnosis, but they tentatively suggested a sarcoid infection…but it went before the hospital finished the vast array of tests — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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What are the other symptoms that you had?  I have had this pain in my lowere back on both sides right where my kidneys are–it hurts to clear my throat, sneeze, cough and is tender when I walk.  Is any of this familiar? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit. I had something like that happen some years ago…I never got a definitive diagnosis, but they tentatively suggested a sarcoid infection…but it went before the hospital finished the vast array of tests — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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For what it is worth, I swell when going through attacks.  I haven’t decided if it is the asthma or the albuterol inhaler and nebs, but I do swell, especially in the face.  Good Luck, Lisa Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit.

– Lisa M. DeSavage Hinsbar Laboratories, Inc. www.hinsbarlabs.com

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What are the other symptoms that you had?  I have had this pain in my lowere back on both sides right where my kidneys are–it hurts to clear my throat, sneeze, cough and is tender when I walk.  Is any of this familiar?

the back isn’t…at least not from then…I had what I thought was a cold too…but it may have been exactly that and totally unrelated the one thing they were sure of was that the infection was in my lungs…which surprised me because I’d gone to the doctor to get the swollen legs sorted out — eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"

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I don’t have any idea what you  have but with the pain in the back and the swelling, I have this bad feeling that there are some really icky things that this <could be and that you should immediately haste to the doctor and find out what is going on.  Best of luck. Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit.

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I have been on salbutamol, atrovent, serevent and flixotide inhalers as well as theophylline tablets for a long time, without any side effects, but as soon as I have to take prednisolone my ankles swell significantly.  Each time I take a course of steroids it seems worse and takes longer to resolve after I stop them,eg still getting swollen ankles 2 months later.  I also have a lot of unexplained bruising on my lower legs – anybody else get this?

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Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit.

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writes: Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit.

Which medications? At what dosages? Over what period of time? Be specific. Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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Just accolate 2 times a  day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit. Which medications? At what dosages? Over what period of time? Be specific. Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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Yes, I use Accolate, Flovent and Serevent and I have noticed a great deal of fluid retention.  I can’t wear my rings any more and my lower legs swell, as well.  Although I hate to take yet another medicine, I think I would benefit from a fluid pill. Patrice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit. Which medications? At what dosages? Over what period of time? Be specific. Sheldon Just accolate 2 times a  day.

Weird… you said "I haven’t changed any of my medications". Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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These symptoms are not caused by asthma [except 'cardiac asthma' which is actually a heart condition, not true asthma.] This could be a rare side effect of Accolate, as edema and angioedema are mentioned in the Prescribing Info: http://www.accolateinfo.com/index.htm   [click on 'full prescribing information']. You could test for this by going off the Accolate and onto your steroid inhaler [Pulmicort, Flovent] for a few weeks; of course under the direction of your doctor. If this test shows Accolate is the problem, you could then try substituting Singulair, which is actually a better drug in most cases–take once/day, stomach doesn’t have to be empty. Ellis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just accolate 2 times a  day. writes: Is there any correlation between asthma and the retaining of fluid (like a circulation thing?) I’m asking b/c my lower legs, feet, and calves have been swollen for about 2 days and I have no idea why.  Could it be the heat?  The humidity?  I haven’t changed any of my medications, but my asthma has flared up a bit. Which medications? At what dosages? Over what period of time? Be specific. Sheldon

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Weel, the doctor’s second call yesterday was basically go see a doctor, whether it’s a normal doctor or an emergency room or whatever it takes.  So I went.  I got there about 7:45 pm, and left about 3:40 am.  That’s right, 8 hours.  One ambulance after another, and I kept getting bumped.  It’s kind of sad really,. I saw the triage number – I was a three.  A one is someone who is critical, 2, is less critical, 3 is moderate, 4 is cuts and bruises.  So I spent 45 minutes in a treatment room and 4 1/2 of those hours sitting on a gurney in the hallway, waiting for the doctor, or testing, or whatever.  Two breathing treatments, some blood tests, a chest x-ray, and a dose of pred. later, I finally went home.  I can actually breathe properly now, although my chest is still tight.  When I was in the ER, I was at that state where you can’t breathe with your diaphram, and you only breathe with your chest muscles.  I never realized how tiring that can be until last night. And now, I’m frustrated.  My pulmonologist said I had done everything right, and yet I still ended up in the ER.  If I had been home, it would have been an office visit, but still……I’m  on probably 3-5 times the medicine I was on last summer, and actually feel worse.  I was at the same peak flows last summer on 2 puffs of Vanceril twice a day.  Now I’m taking 2 puffs of Flovent 220 and 2-3 puffs of Serevent twice a day.  I have good relationships with both my pulmonologist and primary doctors, so when I tell them what’s going on we don’t have much discussion.  In fact, the ER doctor was thrilled to find out that I had my inhalers with me, had a prescription for prednisone, had a nebulizer, had a list of all my peak flows for the last year, and a written action plan.  When she started asking questions and I answered them all without too much effort, she said "you are probably the best thing to happen to me all night" – I knew what was going on, and that’s apparently a rare thing.  So what else is there? For someone who has it together, knows an adequate amount about their condition to be able to converse with a doctor about it, and knows what to do when, ending up getting sick over and over again is difficult to handle. janet

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Weel, the doctor’s second call yesterday was basically go see a doctor, whether it’s a normal doctor or an emergency room or whatever it takes.  So I went.  I got there about 7:45 pm, and left about 3:40 am.  That’s right, 8 hours. One ambulance after another, and I kept getting bumped.  It’s kind of sad really,. I saw the triage number – I was a three.  A one is someone who is critical, 2, is less critical, 3 is moderate, 4 is cuts and bruises.  So I spent 45 minutes in a treatment room and 4 1/2 of those hours sitting on a gurney in the hallway, waiting for the doctor, or testing, or whatever.

I guess that it depends on what hospital you go to (and when).  When I last had to hit an ER I was literally disorentated by the speed which I was treated.  I had one nurse inserting an IV, another attaching the wires for the EKG, another checking my vitals (I knew I made the right decision when she reported: "Faint breath sounds left lung – no breath sounds right lung.") and the doctor hooking me up to oxygen.  (They also did a peakflow on me and I blew a 110 out of a personal best of 650). And now, I’m frustrated.  My pulmonologist said I had done everything right, and yet I still ended up in the ER.

It happens.  I caught a mild cold then was unexpecdly stuck outside on a cold windy day.  Sometimes we just get caught in a bad situation. rare thing.  So what else is there? For someone who has it together, knows an adequate amount about their condition to be able to converse with a doctor about it, and knows what to do when, ending up getting sick over and over again is difficult to handle.

We just do the best we can.  There are no easy answers and asthma can (and does) get better or worse for no easily discernable reason.

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Alec, What would be considered a supraphysio dose? Would inhaling FLOVENT 110mcg twice in the am and twice in the pm over a three week period be sufficient to affect my testostorone level to the point of extremely low labido? Once the FLOVENT is stopped would my body rebuild to its normal testostorne levels over time or is this permamanent damage? I know something has changed in me. I know my body very well and I know and feel I am not right. I love and desire my lady but I am not reacting the way I use to. I thought it might be a a head thing but I can’t even masturbate in privacy watching a skin flick. That is very unusal foor me. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Alec, What would be considered a supraphysio dose? Would inhaling FLOVENT 110mcg twice in the am and twice in the pm over a three week period be sufficient to affect my testostorone level to the point of extremely low labido? Once the FLOVENT is stopped would my body rebuild to its normal testostorne levels over time or is this permamanent damage?

I honestly don’t know! What is the normal dose of FLOVENT? What is the right dose for you? Virtually everything that I take would be at a supraphisiologic dose to the rest of the folks in this group! now something has changed in me. I know my body very well and I know and feel I am not right. I love and desire my lady but I am not reacting the way I use to. I thought it might be a a head thing but I can’t even masturbate in privacy watching a skin flick. That is very unusal foor me.

Something serious has happened to you and that uro is an idiot. Somehow, something has shut down within you. From your description I’d say that you need an endocrinologist with a specialty in andrology. I only know of 3 in that category – Dr Bain in Toronto, Dr Shippen and Dr Kryger – and only have experience with the one in Toronto. Dr Bain does see non-Canadians and, if you want some relief from the oppresive heat of Florida, you could arrange to see him. To get an idea of how good that I think he is – if he was a car mechanic working on my car, I’d enter a go-kart in the Indy 500.

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Chip.. I’m sorry about your lousy experience with your Uro. My advice is get the hell away immediately from anyone with that attitude. Don’t let it go on and pay more money to the jerk. Continue asking about others in your area. I think there are websites for finding such specialists. Perhaps someone knows the URL.

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Chip.. I’m sorry about your lousy experience with your Uro. My advice is get the hell away immediately from anyone with that attitude. Don’t let it go on and pay more money to the jerk. Continue asking about others in your area. I think there are websites for finding such specialists. Perhaps someone knows the URL.

The Life Extension Foundation, which is run by people who take drugs to extend their lifespan (a practice which many in the medical community look at askance, I assure you), keeps a Directory of Innovative Doctors at http://www.lef.org. Many of these physicians are themselves life extensionists. Finding a physician who is a life extensionist will almost surely mean that you’ve found a doctor that is more than willing to attack problems aggressively and creatively. Caveat emptor. Nobody knows how all of this stuff will turn out in the end. I wish you well, C/

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If it wasn’t for this discussion group I probably would have stayed well clear of a Uro. Well, I went to the Urologist.This was not a good expierence. Bewteen the rude office help and an equally rude doctor it was the visit from hell. The uro’s attitude was " well your not 18" and "getting old sucks!" He scheduled me for aPSA and Testosterone. Do not know if it icludes all the others you mentioned. Next TUE (11JAN00) I go for the blood work. I am not pleased with this guy!! Does anyone know of a more understanding Uro in the Fort Lauderdale or Miami area? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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If it wasn’t for this discussion group I probably would have stayed well clear of a Uro. Well, I went to the Urologist.This was not a good expierence. Bewteen the rude office help and an equally rude doctor it was the visit from hell. The uro’s attitude was " well your not 18" and "getting old sucks!" He scheduled me for aPSA and Testosterone. Do not know if it icludes all the others you mentioned. Next TUE (11JAN00) I go for the blood work. I am not pleased with this guy!! Does anyone know of a more understanding Uro in the Fort Lauderdale or Miami area?

Here’s a couple I pulled off the web: http://www.drwinkler.com/ (Fort Lauderdale) http://home.att.net/~lhakim/index.html (U. of Miami Center for Sexual Dysfunction & Male Infertility) http://www.intl-vascular.com/clinic.htm (International Vascular Clinic, Largo) http://theurologist.com/ (Coral Springs, Margate, Boca Raton) Good luck! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

-Fred- Visit Fred’s Page of Impotence Information and ASI FAQ’s at: http://www.alt-support-impotence.org/

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 Does anyone know of a more understanding Uro in the Fort Lauderdale or Miami area?

Mark Gittleman Uromedics,Inc. 601 N. Flamingo  Rd. Pembroke Pines 954-430-3999

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I am a male 50 year old who noticed I was becoming semi-hard with the morning erection approx 1 year ago. I could engage in intercourse as long as my penis had stimulation and once into intercourse had no problem ejaculating. Masturbation was never a problem. About three (week of 13DEC99) weeks ago I came down with bronchitis and was given a perscription for to fight the infection and FLOVENT 110mcg Aerosol inh. 13gm (fluticasone propionate, a glucocorticoid) two times in the morning and two at night to be taken for two months. I started on 21DEC99. Sunday 2JAN00 I had trouble mantaining an erection during intercourse. I was concern the Flovent was affecting my desire so I stopped on 3JAN00. Today I have practically no labido and no erection. I plan to visit the urologist on Fri 7JAN00. Do you think the FLOVENT might have had an impact? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I am a male 50 year old who noticed I was becoming semi-hard with the morning erection approx 1 year ago. I could engage in intercourse as long as my penis had stimulation and once into intercourse had no problem ejaculating. Masturbation was never a problem.

This can be due to several causes. Possibilitiess include hormonal, vascular or neural. About three (week of 13DEC99) weeks ago I came down with bronchitis and was given a perscription for to fight the infection and FLOVENT 110mcg Aerosol inh. 13gm (fluticasone propionate, a glucocorticoid) two times in the morning and two at night to be taken for two months. I started on 21DEC99.

Glucocorticoids can, if you get a supraphysiological dose, cause testosterone to drop to very low levels. Sunday 2JAN00 I had trouble mantaining an erection during intercourse. I was concern the Flovent was affecting my desire so I stopped on 3JAN00. Today I have practically no labido and no erection. I plan to visit the urologist on Fri 7JAN00. Do you think the FLOVENT might have had an impact?

It could have accelerated an existing problem. The low libido can be due to low dopamine or low testosterone or low libido or androgen insensitivity. Some of these can be tested for with ease. No erection can be plumbing. Low libido is usually chemical. Get your URO to test the following: Total testosterone Free testosterone LH FSH Prolactin Estradiol Zinc TSH T3 T4 Get the values and ranges and bring them back here. Do NOT accept "normal" as an answer. "Normal" includes impotent 85-year-olds (impotence is considered normal at 85). By bringing them back here, you’ll get umpteen people jumping in to help with advice as to what to do next. Don’t worry about the values being embarassing – you won’t beat what mine were (testosterone level that qualified me as a harem gaurd, estradiol higher than a woman pregnant with octuplets). Now my testosterone/libido are enough to make me want to rape a doorknob! What you want is to get your system into gear. The rapid onset is suspicious. Are you on any other meds?

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If your depression is due to a seratonin imbalence, yes they can help. If your depression is due to something else, they won’t. Most ssri drugs do have sexual side effects. If you’ve had blood work and your testosterone level is above the midrange, you might try antidepressants for a month or so. If they don’t work for you, try something else. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am at the point where i think its time to aproach my gp to discuss some help regards anti depressants.from earlier posts i have seen people recomend not to use ssri,s so i will also talk with him regards these.i was just wondering if these will help my wellbeing for i am extremely depressed and really need some help now.everything is a struggle from getting up in the morns to working to well just everything .so could some one with experience in these things help me out by telling me if they r worth taking as things r getting harder day by day.i cant afford to get much worse or things could fall apart and i really need to keep my job thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If your depression is due to a seratonin imbalence, yes they can help. If your depression is due to something else, they won’t. Most ssri drugs do have sexual side effects. If you’ve had blood work and your testosterone level is above the midrange, you might try antidepressants for a month or so. If they don’t work for you, try something else. Mike i am at the point where i think its time to aproach my gp to discuss some help regards anti depressants.from earlier posts i have seen people recomend not to use ssri,s so i will also talk with him regards these.i was just wondering if these will help my wellbeing for i am extremely depressed and really need some help now.everything is a struggle from getting up in the morns to working to well just everything .so could some one with experience in these things help me out by telling me if they r worth taking as things r getting harder day by day.i cant afford to get much worse or things could fall apart and i really need to keep my job thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me

I had much more severe form of depression and antidepressants helped me to minimize it. I was not even moving…Here are those I took: Amitriptillin, Zoloft,Xanax, Alprazolam…the good about them – they helped me to ALMOST completely defeat depression, but The bad side…they ALMOST competely removed my sex drive…

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Saint John’s Wort will lower prolactin levels, unlike other SSRI pills. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am at the point where i think its time to aproach my gp to discuss some help regards anti depressants.from earlier posts i have seen people recomend not to use ssri,s so i will also talk with him regards these.i was just wondering if these will help my wellbeing for i am extremely depressed and really need some help now.everything is a struggle from getting up in the morns to working to well just everything .so could some one with experience in these things help me out by telling me if they r worth taking as things r getting harder day by day.i cant afford to get much worse or things could fall apart and i really need to keep my job thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me

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i was just wondering if these will help my wellbeing for i am extremely depressed and really need some help now.everything is a struggle from getting up in the morns to working to well just everything .so could some one with experience in these things help me out by telling me if they r worth taking as things r getting harder day by day.i cant afford to get much worse or things could fall apart and i really need to keep my job

The first thing you need to do is get "The Testosterone Sydrome" by Dr. Eugene Shippen and read it. Find out what the various tests to check you hormone levels and other health issues are before going to antidepressants. I wasted many years on antidepressants before discovering I had a hormone deficiency. You at least owe it to yourself to CHECK OUT ALL OTHER PHYSICAL PROBLEMS FIRST. The symptoms you describe sound like hypogonadism. I had identical symptoms myself for many many years.  I’m surprised I didn’t commit suicide, but I’m extrremely thankful now that I didn’t!

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Like everybody else said, it’s vital to have a complete hormone panel, including prolactin, free testosterone, estradiol, and thyroid. If *any* of those are off, it can cause depression, anxiety, lethargy, etc. If you haven’t had a CBC (complete blood count) and lipid profile (cholesterol) have that checked also. They aren’t related to depression, but it’s just good sense. Also a review of your medical history, drug and alcohol use, and family history of medical and psychiatric problems are all useful. The troubleshooting sequence is actually very simple: hormonal problems can cause depression. You can test for hormone problems, so do that first. You can’t test for depression. If hormones are normal, treat as depression. But don’t take an SSRI if you’re concerned about sexual problems, rather try Wellbutrin, Remeron, or Serzone. One possible exception: the brand-new SSRI Lexapro reportedly causes less sexual problems than other SSRIs; don’t know how true this is. Re your title question, ADs can be very helpful. When they work people often report a fog has lifted, black moods gone, energy and vitality restored, can think clearer, etc. Statistically ADs have about a 70% success rate, but that’s *all* ADs combined. IOW you might need to try several different ones — Drs can’t match an AD to your symptoms, it’s just trial and error. But there’s a good chance it will work if your problem is endogenous depression, not hormonal. — Joe D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am at the point where i think its time to aproach my gp to discuss some help regards anti depressants.from earlier posts i have seen people recomend not to use ssri,s so i will also talk with him regards these.i was just wondering if these will help my wellbeing for i am extremely depressed and really need some help now.everything is a struggle from getting up in the morns to working to well just everything .so could some one with experience in these things help me out by telling me if they r worth taking as things r getting harder day by day.i cant afford to get much worse or things could fall apart and i really need to keep my job thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me

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Jim, You are absolutely correct! However, there does appear to be a form of depression unlinked to low testosterone levels.   I asked my psychiatrist about that and he agreed.   I posted what my psychiatrist said at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypogonadism2. and a fellow member posted that he agreed with that possibility. OR eon

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T, Yes, my email addy works…it’s a real one too.  Feel free to email me anytime. OR eon

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Hi, Before you jump into the deep end of  the pool, have you ever gotten your testosterone level? The symptoms of low T include depression, low energy level and loss of the sense of well being. I have been getting testosterone replacement therapy for  10 years and just recently bought a book on the subject that is fabulous. "The Testosterone Syndrome" by Dr. Eugene Shippen, $14.95, Barnes & Noble. It was a surprise T is used by the vital organs and all thru the body. I guess the brain is a vital organ to, right? He says in the preface, "When deficient, it is at the core of disease and early demise". Pretty strong language I thought but then found out why by reading his book. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am at the point where i think its time to aproach my gp to discuss some help regards anti depressants.from earlier posts i have seen people recomend not to use ssri,s so i will also talk with him regards these.i was just wondering if these will help my wellbeing for i am extremely depressed and really need some help now.everything is a struggle from getting up in the morns to working to well just everything .so could some one with experience in these things help me out by telling me if they r worth taking as things r getting harder day by day.i cant afford to get much worse or things could fall apart and i really need to keep my job thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me

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i am at the point where i think its time to aproach my gp to discuss some help regards anti depressants.from earlier posts i have seen people recomend not to use ssri,s so i will also talk with him regards these.i was just wondering if these will help my wellbeing for i am extremely depressed and really need some help now.everything is a struggle from getting up in the morns to working to well just everything .so could some one with experience in these things help me out by telling me if they r worth taking as things r getting harder day by day.i cant afford to get much worse or things could fall apart and i really need to keep my job thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me

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T, There are four or five anti-depressants with minimal,  negative erectile effects.  One is Wellbutrin. I had clinical depression and in Oct ‘97 my psychiatrist put me on 150 mg Wellbutrin SR/2x/dy. That did not alleviate depressive symptoms and suicidal ideation seemed to intensify…so December ‘97 he added Lithobid 300 mg/2x/dy.   That did it! I’ve been on that combination since then. There was a brief period when depressive symptoms returned…when PCP put me on a diuretic…diuretic was flushing out the lithium and it was easier to eliminate diuretic than find one compatible with lithium. Good luck, Keep us posted as goes it how… Just my experiences…. OR eon

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thanks oreon for the reply.not dealing with this to well and have some pretty bad times .dont like facing a life of ad,s but must try something.hope ur doing well.would like to discuss things more with u on a more private level,so i will see if ur mail addy works if thats ok with u.thanks again

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – T, There are four or five anti-depressants with minimal,  negative erectile effects.  One is Wellbutrin. I had clinical depression and in Oct ‘97 my psychiatrist put me on 150 mg Wellbutrin SR/2x/dy. That did not alleviate depressive symptoms and suicidal ideation seemed to intensify…so December ‘97 he added Lithobid 300 mg/2x/dy.   That did it! I’ve been on that combination since then. There was a brief period when depressive symptoms returned…when PCP put me on a diuretic…diuretic was flushing out the lithium and it was easier to eliminate diuretic than find one compatible with lithium. Good luck, Keep us posted as goes it how… Just my experiences…. OR eon

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Wish i could give you answers….don’t have them.  Just keep fighting, scream when you can’t stand it and request a shoulder when you want one.

Thanks, feel much less down over it today, I guess most people on this newsgroup must have found it impossible to explain to nonmigrainers how they feel, its so nice to be able to speak to people who understand. Heres praying for a miracle (free) cure that will work for everyone. Liz

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I got a look at paroxetine – it’s Paxil, one of the SSRI antidepressants. The others are Celexa/citralopram, Prozac/fluoxetine, Luvox/fluvoxamine, and Zoloft/sertraline. The amount of fatigue is least in Prozac and Luvox. Funny enough, Paxil generates the most yawning! But other side effects that, in you, might feel like fatigue, vary greatly among the five drugs. I really encourage you to get/buy the Drug Facts & Comparisons book. In my 2001 edition, the info you want is on pgs. 934 and 935. I’ve been on Prozac for 12 years, and for me, it doesn’t seem to cause a lot of noticeable fatigue. But with my sleep apnea, I might not be the best person to be measuring fatigue! Hope this helps! Ginnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Couldn’t think of a better place to let off some steam and whine.  Just getting over a 3 day migraine, it tried to come back earlier today but went again quickly (that would have been 4 days). I’m taking 40mg of propranolol twice a day and 20mg of paroxetine (Seroxat/Paxil) once a day and 5mg of Maxalt as treatment (10mg and I pass out but I don’t get rebounds which I did with naramig).  I have a wierd form of migraine, the neurologist said that my lifelong appetite problems (didn’t get hungry, felt ill for lack of food, but not hungry, if I never hear are you anorexic again it won’t be too soon) and the balance problems and the migraines that go with it were due to an overall lack of serotonin.  All very well but his reason for that is that I shouldn’t have migraine symptoms for 2 months solid as soon as it gets hot in summer. I’m desperate now to find something that works without the side effects. Adding the paroxetine has stopped the balance problems, vertigo and difficulty judging horizontal distances too.  Means if I feel well enough to care about getting in the car, I’m fit to drive, I used to have to check to see if I could get down the stairs without holding, if I couldn’t I couldn’t drive, if I get car sick when I drive, I have to pull over and ditch the car.  Problem is that the paroxetine makes me extremely tired and if I exert myself one day I’m so tierd the next day I want to cry with exhaustion.  I get headaches with my migraines now, but their so much less unpleasant than the every other sense and my moods up the creek that I quite like them, and I don’t find myself banging my head against the wall because it helps now. If Ijust take the propranolol , well I reviewed my lab book and discovered that I’d been breaking health and safety regulations being in the lab about 1/3 of the time, little accidents, vertigo, mistery bruises from walking into things, nausea and bloating, constipation, diarrhea, mental confusion, anxiety and shear blind terror from feeling like I’m falling constantly. Won’t live like that again, wasn’t worth it.  Equally I’m having to change careers because I’ve been told I won’t get a good reference for lab work but I will for the nonlab based aspects. So any suggestions?  I can’t keep on with this little energy but I can’t stop the paroxetine without a suitable replacement. Thanks for listening Liz

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Just want to tell you you’re not alone. Wish I knew what would give you some help w/o the paroxetine side effects, but I keep getting this benign vestibular thing that I’m not convinced is just inner ear architecture, and it’s no fun. I do hear you. The staircase test is a great idea! Thanks! You might hit a library or a pharmacist who has a copy of Drug Facts and Comparisons… mine’s on loan now, or I’d look it up for you. That book takes whole classes of similar drugs – like anticonvulsants, reviews them as a group, gives comparison charts for indications, labeled and off-label indications, relative activity, side effects, etc. It’s a great way to see your drug in comparison with the others like it, so you can possibly find a different one to try. That’s the book the docs and the pharmacists use, not just the PDA. You can buy it on amazon, for about $150

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Ok, so my doctor agreed to try another SSRI, but she wanted me to wean off Paxil first! Told her I could wean off one and wean onto another at the same time, but she was dubious about that so I asked her to look it up and ask around… now she agrees. She has prescribed Effexor.

Although Effexor technically is not an SSRI it is cross tolerant with SSRI’s so switching this way should be no problem. I’ve been told to take 20 mgs of paxil(instead of 40) and to add 37,5mgs of effexor for the next 3 days, then drop the paxil completely and raise the effexor to 75mgs. Does this sound about right? It seems like a fast changeover to me, but I’d rather deal with any side effects and get this change over with quickly myself anyway.

I agree that this may be a tad fast but I think it can be done if you are prepared to white-knuckle through some possible temporary side effects. My other question; is the target does of 75 mgs of effexor comparible to the 40 mgs of paxil I’ve been taking?

That is impossible to say as our reactions to meds are so personal. 75 mg of Effexor sound OK to me and if after a few weeks you feel it doesn’t work well enough you can always raise the dose a bit more. My xanax has been switched from 2x .5mg per day to 1x 1mg xanax XR per day. Hopefully it will stop me feeling like a yo-yo, I may need to ask for a dose increase I think.

I think so too considering the AD change. I take Xanax XR and IMO it is far preferable to *normal* Xanax. No rollercoatser effect anymore but a comparatively very smooth ride. Any thoughts/comments about this change in meds?

No ) Keep us posted! Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Ok, so my doctor agreed to try another SSRI, but she wanted me to wean off Paxil first! Told her I could wean off one and wean onto another at the same time, but she was dubious about that so I asked her to look it up and ask around… now she agrees. She has prescribed Effexor. I’ve been told to take 20mgs of paxil(instead of 40) and to add 37,5mgs of effexor for the next 3 days, then drop the paxil completely and raise the effexor to 75mgs. Does this sound about right? It seems like a fast changeover to me, but I’d rather deal with any side effects and get this change over with quickly myself anyway. My other question; is the target does of 75 mgs of effexor comparible to the 40 mgs of paxil I’ve been taking? My xanax has been switched from 2x .5mg per day to 1x 1mg xanax XR per day. Hopefully it will stop me feeling like a yo-yo, I may need to ask for a dose increase I think. I’ll soon find out, considering the other med change! : ) Any thoughts/comments about this change in meds? I mean to start the changeover tommorow… Vashti

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From what you say above, and below, Vashti, it doesn’t seem like she has a good grip on these medications, but at least is open minded. Both frustrating and refreshing at the same time!

well could be dangerous to be less savy about things one prescribes Yes, I think it’s far too fast and large a drop in Paxil,

I concur My biggest concern would be that sudden drop of Paxil from 40 to 20, with a "starter" dose of Effexor ( 37.5 mg ) to take the place of 20 mg of Paxil?  I don’t think so!!

nope best off dropping paxil by 5mg a day per week until off Remember, they may be very slight, if much at all. So much depends on how ‘you’ react, not how some others have.

true 150 mg of Effexor to 40 mg of Paxil??

or  more since paxil is up to 17 times more potent at the synapse then prozac effexor hits multiple sites at higher doses and is basicaly serotonergic at lower ones so a sliding conversion may not be too bad-as a phenethylamine compound it excerts reuptake inhibition on serotonin first noradrenaline second and weakly dopaminergic thirdly so in some ways in works like a tca but in reverse where the tca hits adrenergic sites first serotonin sites second. it would be somewhat difficult to make a comparative dose per dose response due to the different pharmacokinetics and individual responses From what I understand, the XR should work out very well.

yes it would bot Rita and Philip use this med with good success You’re not alone..

Microbes are everywhere

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Hi Wes, by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer

Your sex drive seems OK. Have you tried an anti-depressants like Zoloft (Sertraline)? They can delay the orgasm. — FBI, CIA, KGB, Interpol, MIB, MI6… choke on this pal! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The best "lesson" I’ve never read. — Samy (France)

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Everything which you posted was so true, I congratulate you Many years ago in a now outdated book called "Any Man Can" I learned that orgasm and ejaculation are NOT the same thing and that a guy can masturbate having multiple orgasms as long as he does not ejaculate. Just knowing that one can do this was a real shocker. The stop and start technique which you so very well described IS the way to multiple orgasms….and it works. For me it is not possible to do while having intercourse, because I really believe that "Mother Nature" intended us to ejaculate (as soon as possible) and reproduce. That IS what sex is really all about…..continued repopulation. I am interested in the ancient Celtics ad have read that groups of guys( cousins and brothers) stood around waiting their turn to have sex with the women…so any guy taking too long to "get it done" would most likely removed from the female. As an added interest since the "tribes" were brothers and cousins etc, any baby born would obviously look like every one else – fair skinned and lightish hair. This child would then be greatly accepted by the tribe regardless of its father. BOB

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Fabulous answer, Fred . :::::::::standing ovation:::::::::::

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck!

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I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort.

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck! -Fred- Visit Fred’s Page of Impotence Information and ASI FAQ’s at: http://www.chesco.com/~fps/index.html

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You have no problems, young man!  You are just confused and you someone, perhaps a psychologist-sex-therapist to straighten you out.

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You might take comfort in that fact that you’re not much different than thousand of others. I’m not sure what operation you were talking about. Circumcision? I’ve heard it said that the uncircumcised are very sensitive. There’s a lot of discussion going on about circumcision. Whether is mutilation or not. I would suggest you try some of those desensitizing chemicals. And yes, see a urologist. There’s no age limit to ED or PE. Jerry of ASI I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Has anyone else been on meds that worked only transiently? I finally had some relief from my depression a few weeks ago, but now I am becoming depressed again and it seems so much worse after having felt somewhat "normal" for a brief period. Does this mean that the dose is too low? or that I am simply out of luck? Martha

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Has anyone else been on meds that worked only transiently? I finally had some relief from my depression a few weeks ago, but now I am becoming depressed again and it seems so much worse after having felt somewhat "normal" for a brief period. Does this mean that the dose is too low? or that I am simply out of luck?

I have had this experience with Prozac, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, and Depakote.  It would work at first, then my body (or mind?) would "adjust" I suppose, and the dosage would have to be increased.  I’ve maxed out my current meds (Depakote & Wellbutrin).  I don’t know if you’re out of luck, but I hope not, because then I am too. June "word I was in my life alone, word I had no one left but God."                                                   — Robert Frost

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YES-SOME BIPOLAR SUBJECTS ONLY RESPOND A SHORT TIME. I HAD TAKEN EVERY ANTI-DEPRESENT ON THE MARKET EXCEPT PARNATE(MOAI0) MONOAMINE OXIDASE IN- HIBITOR. THIS IS NOT A NEW DRUG BUT REQUIRES SPECIAL DIET. THIS IS THE FIRST TO EVER WORK MORE THAN THREE MONTHS WITHOUT A MAJOR DEPRESSION.OUT OF FRUSTATION TO FINE A PHYCIATRIST THAT REALLY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, MY SEARCH TOOK ME TO STANFORD UNIVERSITY MEDICAL WHERE THEY SPECIALIZE IN BIPOLAR DISORDERS. BELEIVE ME THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.KEEP LOOKING UNTIL YOU FIND THE RIGHT COMBO OF DRUGS AND DOCTOR. TOOK ME 5 YEARS BUT WAS WORTH IT. GOOD LUCK.   TOM D.

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It would be helpful to know what the med is and how much you are taking, but it sounds as though it might need to be titrated up until you start to feel better. Regards, Randy.

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Gee, maybe a good slice of Ray Bari’s pizza with extra garlic before sex is all we need!  

Wasn’t that a Barry Manilow song? Thanks for publishing the dirt on nonoxynol-9.  Sounds like its worse than even I thought.  And now the gay organizations are giving out condoms lubricated with "extra strength" nonoxynol 9. Ed

I knew you would get a kick out of that. Yes, I will grudgingly verify that you were the first person that I ever heard speak out against N9. Hey, even a stopped clock can be right twice a day.          James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids          misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero    MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS

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Whey has a very high lysine to arginine ratio (2.75). I wonder if that is the reason why it works as an antiviral. Lysine has been shown to inhibit herpes viruses and may work against HIV. NEW YORK DAILY NEWS   WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 31, 1996     PAGE 8 FINDING A WHEY Could limit HIV spread by Joe Nicholson Daily News Staff Writer         Researchers yesterday said a substance made from whey, the liquid taken out of milk in making cheese, may have the power to stop the spread of the AIDS virus during intercourse.         Robert Neurath, a virologist at the New York Blood Center, held out the hope that the substance, dubbed B69, could be used as a foam or cream, like spermicides.         Neurath said he hit upon B69 after testing 68 other compounds with disappointing results: "It was a combination of persistence and luck, as is usual in life."         Neurath’s experiments, reported in February’s Nature Medicine journal, showed that B69 blocks HIV from entering CD4 cells, the immune cells the virus destroys.         Researchers cautioned, however, that B69 applications may not be a 100% preventive because it is uncertain whether B69 also would block other cell-entry sites.         "The compound could serve as the basis for preventive measures against HIV transmission…to supplement other barrier methods, like condoms," said the researchers.         Neurath said another big advantage of B69 was that a dose likely would cost only a few cents.         Neurath, whose laboratory work was funded with a $200,000 federal grant, said he was trying to raise at least $50,000 for animal testing.         Dr. John Adamson, president of the New York Blood Center, said B69 has the potential to save tens of thousands of lives. The treatment must first be tried on animals, and then, possibly a year from now, on humans.         The last big hope for stopping sexual spread of AIDS, Nonoxynol-9, was a disastrous failure, said Dr. Jeffrey Laurence of the American Foundation for AIDS Research.         Laurence, an AIDS researcher at Cornell Medical School as well as the foundation’s senior scientist for programs, said Nonoxynol-9 was tested in Africa several years ago.         "There were actually more infections in people who got the product," said Laurence. "It seemed to cause irritation in the vagina, and the hypothesis was that it eased the way for the AIDS virus."         Neurath said that unlike, Nonoxynol-9, B69 isn’t toxic to cells, so researchers "don’t expect…similar problems with this compound."         Neurath displayed a test tube of B69 liquid and said he was optimistic it would not cause negative reactions because it is a natural substance.          James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids          misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero    MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS

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Gee, maybe a good slice of Ray Bari’s pizza with extra garlic before sex is all we need!   Thanks for publishing the dirt on nonoxynol-9.  Sounds like its worse than even I thought.  And now the gay organizations are giving out condoms lubricated with "extra strength" nonoxynol 9. Ed

: Whey has a very high lysine to arginine ratio (2.75). I wonder if that is : the reason why it works as an antiviral. Lysine has been shown to inhibit : herpes viruses and may work against HIV. : NEW YORK DAILY NEWS   WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 31, 1996     PAGE 8 : FINDING A WHEY : Could limit HIV spread : by Joe Nicholson : Daily News Staff Writer :       Researchers yesterday said a substance made from whey, the liquid : taken out of milk in making cheese, may have the power to stop the spread : of the AIDS virus during intercourse. :       Robert Neurath, a virologist at the New York Blood Center, held : out the hope that the substance, dubbed B69, could be used as a foam or : cream, like spermicides. :       Neurath said he hit upon B69 after testing 68 other compounds : with disappointing results: "It was a combination of persistence and : luck, as is usual in life." :       Neurath’s experiments, reported in February’s Nature Medicine : journal, showed that B69 blocks HIV from entering CD4 cells, the immune : cells the virus destroys. :       Researchers cautioned, however, that B69 applications may not be : a 100% preventive because it is uncertain whether B69 also would block : other cell-entry sites. :       "The compound could serve as the basis for preventive measures : against HIV transmission…to supplement other barrier methods, like : condoms," said the researchers. :       Neurath said another big advantage of B69 was that a dose likely : would cost only a few cents. :       Neurath, whose laboratory work was funded with a $200,000 federal : grant, said he was trying to raise at least $50,000 for animal testing. :       Dr. John Adamson, president of the New York Blood Center, said : B69 has the potential to save tens of thousands of lives. The treatment : must first be tried on animals, and then, possibly a year from now, on : humans. :       The last big hope for stopping sexual spread of AIDS, : Nonoxynol-9, was a disastrous failure, said Dr. Jeffrey Laurence of the : American Foundation for AIDS Research. :       Laurence, an AIDS researcher at Cornell Medical School as well as : the foundation’s senior scientist for programs, said Nonoxynol-9 was : tested in Africa several years ago. :       "There were actually more infections in people who got the : product," said Laurence. "It seemed to cause irritation in the vagina, : and the hypothesis was that it eased the way for the AIDS virus." :       Neurath said that unlike, Nonoxynol-9, B69 isn’t toxic to cells, : so researchers "don’t expect…similar problems with this compound." :       Neurath displayed a test tube of B69 liquid and said he was : optimistic it would not cause negative reactions because it is a natural : substance. :          James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids :          misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero :    MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS

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