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The Weather

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Tami, I don’t know what your office is like but if you have an office or workspace of your own perhaps your employer can install a window/wall air conditioner just for the space you are confined to. Then your area with stay cooler and less humid. I’m pretty certain that he can take some additonal tax write-offs under the ADA accomodations clauses and help both of you in the process. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else having trouble with the heat and humidity we are experiencing in the midwest this week and last? I’m missing a lot of work because of the weather, I know my boss is not completely understanding the situation, and he’s getting a little digusted. I just finished 2 weeks of prednisone, I take theodur, flovent 220, combivent, zyrtec, athsmacort for my sinuses, and am taking augmenten again for yet another sinus infection. My place of employment is air conditioned, but as the day goes on, and doors are constantly opened, my lungs get tight, my face red, chest hurts, headache, you know the routine. coughing, wheezing, tired. Time to go home…What else can I do?? Any ideas?? Tami

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Problem for me is the constant change – going from hot humid outside to inside air conditioning and back. Start having problems after going in and out serveral times. Believe the sudden change doesn’t help my lungs at all! JEB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else having trouble with the heat and humidity we are experiencing in the midwest this week and last? I’m missing a lot of work because of the weather, I know my boss is not completely understanding the situation, and he’s getting a little digusted. I just finished 2 weeks of prednisone, I take theodur, flovent 220, combivent, zyrtec, athsmacort for my sinuses, and am taking augmenten again for yet another sinus infection. My place of employment is air conditioned, but as the day goes on, and doors are constantly opened, my lungs get tight, my face red, chest hurts, headache, you know the routine. coughing, wheezing, tired. Time to go home…What else can I do?? Any ideas?? Tami

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Heat and humidity make it hard for anyone to breath and for asthmatics it’s worse. Staying indoors with air-conditioning and drinking a lot of water is a good policy. I work at home on "bad air" days when the high humidity and or smog are high. I’m lucky that I can do my work from anywhere with a phone, computer and fax machine. There are some days when I have to attend meetings etc., and then I take an air conditioned taxi or limo to the office to avoid being outdoors. In some jurisdictions there is legislation requiring reasonable accomodation of disabilities (e.g. Human Rights Codes), for example, installing wheelchair accessible washrooms. In some cases, depending on the kind of work involved, arrangements for work at home on "bad air" days might be reasonable. Some employers are happy to make this arrangement (with or without a statutory obligation) rather than have the employee book off sick since it allows for continued productivity. Another possible accomodation arrangement is taxi fare to the office to avoid being outdoors to and from the office (assuming travel to the office is the problem and the office itself is air conditioned).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else having trouble with the heat and humidity we are experiencing in the midwest this week and last? I’m missing a lot of work because of the weather, I know my boss is not completely understanding the situation, and he’s getting a little digusted. I just finished 2 weeks of prednisone, I take theodur, flovent 220, combivent, zyrtec, athsmacort for my sinuses, and am taking augmenten again for yet another sinus infection. My place of employment is air conditioned, but as the day goes on, and doors are constantly opened, my lungs get tight, my face red, chest hurts, headache, you know the routine. coughing, wheezing, tired. Time to go home…What else can I do?? Any ideas?? Tami

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I am in the Midwest.. Wisconsin actually and the heat is killing me. I work down near the lake and the cooler air is not cool at all. I know how you feel. About work, I know how it goes. People think asthma is just some petty little excuse because we don’t want to work. Those people are ignorant. Luckily my job was a bit understanding when it came to me taking off for doctors. When I can, I work through my lunch. The bad part is that we have forced air conditioning and my asthma is worse at work. I was told to get some green plants but I don’t think that is going to do it. Unfortunately, with asthma, most of the time you don’t have a choice but to take off work. I feel for you but know that you are not alone. Shannon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The totally bizarre thing about this is that some people seem to think we want to be ill! When I developed asthma I had the most awful cough. However I found daytime TV boring so went to work. We had a snotty young receptionist who accused me of deliberately coughing at her down the phone. Now I realise it was unpleasant for those round me – but thankfully I resisted the urge to punch her face in. In fact I was iller than I realised (due mostly to sleep deprivation) and the best thing anyone at work could have done was told me to go home and stay home until I was really well enough to work again. And in my line of business I can work from home, though I’m not sure if we were so clued up on doing so at that time. Is anyone else having trouble with the heat and humidity we are experiencing in the midwest this week and last? I’m missing a lot of work because of the weather, I know my boss is not completely understanding the situation, and he’s getting a little digusted. I just finished 2 weeks of prednisone, I take theodur, flovent 220, combivent, zyrtec, athsmacort for my sinuses, and am taking augmenten again for yet another sinus infection. My place of employment is air conditioned, but as the day goes on, and doors are constantly opened, my lungs get tight, my face red, chest hurts, headache, you know the routine. coughing, wheezing, tired. Time to go home…What else can I do?? Any ideas?? Tami Would moving your desk help? Get your doctor to write your boss a letter explaining the problem . . . this is covered by ADA and Workers Comp. Chris Owens — Surfer!

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Is anyone else having trouble with the heat and humidity we are experiencing in the midwest this week and last? I’m missing a lot of work because of the weather, I know my boss is not completely understanding the situation, and he’s getting a little digusted. I just finished 2 weeks of prednisone, I take theodur, flovent 220, combivent, zyrtec, athsmacort for my sinuses, and am taking augmenten again for yet another sinus infection. My place of employment is air conditioned, but as the day goes on, and doors are constantly opened, my lungs get tight, my face red, chest hurts, headache, you know the routine. coughing, wheezing, tired. Time to go home…What else can I do?? Any ideas?? Tami

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Is anyone else having trouble with the heat and humidity we are experiencing in the midwest this week and last?

I have had a little more trouble than usual. When I go outside for very long at all, I come inside feeling like I’m suffocating. It’s not an attack, just stuffy. I know my boss is not completely understanding the situation, and he’s getting a little digusted.

I used to have the same problem when I was working. I eventually had to sit down with my boss and totally explain the situation to him and make him understand as best as I could. Things got a little better after that, and my co-workers also understood more. my place of employment is air conditioned, but as the day goes on, and doors are constantly opened, my lungs get tight, my face red, chest hurts, headache, you know the routine. coughing, wheezing, tired.

Can you relocate your desk further away from the doors?? What else can I do?? Any ideas?? Tami

I had to end up taking an air purifier to work with me and putting it close to my desk area. At first people thought it was weird, but eventually they ended up thank me, as their air was cleaned also. It seems extreme, but I was determined not to let my work environment make me sick. Hope this helps! Take care! Ash http://www.angelfire.com/tn/Ashleigh1976/index.html

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Would moving your desk help? Get your doctor to write your boss a letter explaining the problem . . . this is covered by ADA and Workers Comp. Chris Owens

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The totally bizarre thing about this is that some people seem to think we want to be ill! When I developed asthma I had the most awful cough. However I found daytime TV boring so went to work. We had a snotty young receptionist who accused me of deliberately coughing at her down the phone. Now I realise it was unpleasant for those round me – but thankfully I resisted the urge to punch her face in. In fact I was iller than I realised (due mostly to sleep deprivation) and the best thing anyone at work could have done was told me to go home and stay home until I was really well enough to work again. And in my line of business I can work from home, though I’m not sure if we were so clued up on doing so at that time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else having trouble with the heat and humidity we are experiencing in the midwest this week and last? I’m missing a lot of work because of the weather, I know my boss is not completely understanding the situation, and he’s getting a little digusted. I just finished 2 weeks of prednisone, I take theodur, flovent 220, combivent, zyrtec, athsmacort for my sinuses, and am taking augmenten again for yet another sinus infection. My place of employment is air conditioned, but as the day goes on, and doors are constantly opened, my lungs get tight, my face red, chest hurts, headache, you know the routine. coughing, wheezing, tired. Time to go home…What else can I do?? Any ideas?? Tami Would moving your desk help? Get your doctor to write your boss a letter explaining the problem . . . this is covered by ADA and Workers Comp. Chris Owens

– Surfer!

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Hi Blaine…. Check out www.aviationweather.com. It has the latest surface analysis reports(SA’s) in ICAO format, and also translated (eg…"heavy rain, windy" just underneath something like 33030g45 RA+)… ed s.

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Back when I used to be a Microsoft Flight Simulator junkie, I noticed you could call up the weather on ATIS. Is their any place on the web that would give you the weather (text) for a particular U.S. Airport. Also, I would imagine it’s in shorthand, so an interpretation guide might be helpful too Many thanks, Blaine Thompson

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Wheezing Cough And Flovent » travelling & spacer

travelling & spacer

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Hi all, For those of you who use a spacer when taking oral sprays (as I do) do you take your spacer with you when you travel and if so, how do you pack it/take it with you? Mind’s rather bulky. I own what my family refers to as ‘the suitcase’. It’s a BIG purse [actually an athletic bag]. Just inside the legal limit for carry-on for the airlines. Amazing how much stuff you can get in there. :) Chris Owens

I’m laughing! The last time the whole family flew somewhere, I carried all meds in a huge athletic bag. When a security guard stopped me to look through the bag, I just kinda threw it at him and said, "Whatever. It’s all medicine. Knock yourself out." I ignored him and tried to corral the kids. He unzipped it and took a single look. He rolled his eyes and said, "Man, I’m not going through all that. Go ahead." Mary

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I use the Aerogear by the Aerochamber people. It has an Aerochamber and a Truzone pfm all in a fanny pack. It is very convenient and also holds about 3 MDI’s. I can let you know where to get one if you are interested.

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I use the Pulmicort Inhaler (budesonide) this comes with a small spacer. It measures about an inch square and 3 inches long, expanding to twice its length when used. I find it better than the normal inhaler as it does not effect my throat as the other bectotide did. Steve

Your email address indicates you are in the UK. In the US, Pulmicort is only available as a Turbuhaler (DPI) No spacer is used since it is breath actuated. The best spacer is probably the AeroChamber, a medium size valved device with whistle. For those who want a small spacer for travel, the OptiHaler is very compact, the MDI may be carried in the device. Ellis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, For those of you who use a spacer when taking oral sprays (as I do) do you take your spacer with you when you travel and if so, how do you pack it/take it with you? Mind’s rather bulky. Thanks for any suggestions. Margaret

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I use the Ellipse spacer; both my Serevent and Flovent fit right into it. That and my peak flow both fit into a small handbag quite easily. Great for carry-on to airplanes! C-ko "ambition makes you look very ugly kicking squealing gucci little piggy why don’t you remember my name you runt?" paranoid android — radiohead

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Hi all, For those of you who use a spacer when taking oral sprays (as I do) do you take your spacer with you when you travel and if so, how do you pack it/take it with you? Mind’s rather bulky.

I own what my family refers to as ‘the suitcase’. It’s a BIG purse [actually an athletic bag]. Just inside the legal limit for carry-on for the airlines. Amazing how much stuff you can get in there. :) Chris Owens

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It’s best to carry your spacer, becuase then you can avoid and oral yeast infection.

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When I travel, I pack all my meds, my spacer, and my peak flow meter in an insulated lunch box. The insulated part was for if they had to sit in the trunk of my car for several hours, like when I’m going home for Christmas break. So far, I’ve never had any trouble with the inhalers getting too hot or cold, and everything is in one place. janet – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, For those of you who use a spacer when taking oral sprays (as I do) do you take your spacer with you when you travel and if so, how do you pack it/take it with you? Mind’s rather bulky. Thanks for any suggestions. Margaret

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Hi I use the Pulmicort Inhaler (budesonide) this comes with a small spacer. It measures about an inch square and 3 inches long, expanding to twice its length when used. I find it better than the normal inhaler as it does not effect my throat as the other bectotide did. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, For those of you who use a spacer when taking oral sprays (as I do) do you take your spacer with you when you travel and if so, how do you pack it/take it with you? Mind’s rather bulky. Thanks for any suggestions. Margaret

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I have a really nifty spacer. Its no bigger than a ventolin inhaler itself. I can’t get them commercially but they get left as promotional samples at my drugstore. They are made by Boehringer Ingelheim ( in Connecticut ) and are called Inhalation Aids Jerry Freedman,Jr

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:Hi all, :For those of you who use a spacer when taking oral sprays (as I do) do you :take your spacer with you when you travel and if so, how do you pack :it/take it with you? Mind’s rather bulky. I do use one and always take mine with me when I travel. mine comes apart into two sections that fit together (like this!) / / / / / a) In that shape they fit into the pocket of a rucksack (30-40L) and sundries likes the inhalers and/or a PFL can fir into the holow. b) It is also a convenient shape for putting into a suitace, and socks can fill the hollow. :Thanks for any suggestions. :Margaret : : : Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 1223 334600 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email: Remove "nospam" from above Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Pulmicort And Fflovent » Sudden onset of more severe attacks?

Sudden onset of more severe attacks?

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. At first I was hardly using it, maybe once a week, then I started going to the gym and as advised by my Dr I’d use it prior to working out to prevent an exercise induced attack I stopped going to the gym for awhile and just started up again 3 weeks ago. In the last week and a half I’ve been getting chest pains much like what sent me to the Dr. in the first place as well as "flutters" in my chest. I noticed that my inhaler use has gone way up, its almost daily now and some days twice and most of the time I use it and it does nothing. I plan on calling the Dr. in the morning to make an appointment, but I’m just wondering if this is normal? Other then being constantly sleepy (which I think is in part due to being unable to breathe well and part due to jitteryness from the inhaler) and the chest tightness I feel fine, no fever or anything… Sheila Marie

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed.

If you’re having ongoing problems, one option is to discuss other medication with your doctor, such as Singulair, Intal, Tilade, or Pulmicort. Joan Joan Marie Verba http://www.sff.net/people/Joan.Marie.Verba

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You need to see your doctor ASAP. — We make war so we may live in peace. Aristotle

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. If you’re having ongoing problems, one option is to discuss other medication with your doctor, such as Singulair, Intal, Tilade, or Pulmicort.

I have both Pulmicort and Singulair now. The Dr. is hoping we can get the attack under control and drop the Pulmicort in a month or so. Sheila Marie, still not quite right, but feeling better.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, new here. In the last week and a half I’ve been getting chest pains much like what sent me to the Dr. in the first place as well as "flutters" in my chest. I noticed that my inhaler use has gone way up, its almost daily now and some days twice and most of the time I use it and it does nothing. I plan on calling the Dr. in the morning to make an appointment, but I’m just wondering if this is normal? You need to see your doctor ASAP.

Went today, I was scared last night, I’ve never felt anything like that before. I almost thought for sure I was having a heart attack at 28, but it wasnt. The Dr sent me home all sorts of medicine. He said we need to be more aggressive in my treatment. Seems exercise is a major trigger for me, though its one I need to find a way to get past or something. That’s the goal though, to get to a point where exercise doesn’t trigger this sort of thing. Sheila Marie

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When I first started going downhill with my asthma my main complaint was being extremely tired all the time and the inhaler just sustained me but did not make me feel better. You probably need to be on a low dose of Flovent to start and probably Accolate. Go see your doc! And if he doesn’t change your meds than go to another doctor b/c your asthma will only worsen w/o proper treatment!! Dana

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I’m glad to hear your doctor gave you some preventive meds instead of just rescue meds like albuterol. You should feel better soon! Dana

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Pulmicort And Fflovent » pulmicort turbuhaler???

pulmicort turbuhaler???

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product…. Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database…. Thank you for comments…

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I’ve been using it 4 clicks twiced a day for 2 years and it helped me more than the others did. I do have a tendancy toward Candidas infections though from it. I rinse my mouth after use but some are just prone to it. The Nystatin for it works great.

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product…. Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database…. Thank you for comments…

Pulmicort Turbuhaler (budesonide) is one of the 2 new steroid inhalers; the other is Flovent. I use Pulmicort and consider it the best. It’s a DPI (dry powder inhaler), 200 puffs per container; I use one puff twice a day (used to use multiple puffs of weaker inhalers). It’s made by Astra of Sweden and is popular worldwide. http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/treatmnt/drug/pulmicor.htm Pulmicort Turbuhaler Ellis

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I have used it since ~1990, and am very very pleased with it. No problems at all. SW

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I have used it since ~1990, and am very very pleased with it. No problems at all. SW

DITTO except mine is Feb 93.. i was on a high dose of becloforte at the time starwind turned my attention to pulmicort, and i REFUSE to go back! it improved my asthma visibly and immeasurably as to quality of life, ability to function like a human being, not an asthmatic, and my ability to fight off infections, or at least prevent them from escalating to pneumonia, as had been my previous track of life … the difference was noticed w/in 24 hours, and when i’d finally increased up to a dose my doctor felt was good for me, i’d nearly added 30% to my peakflows… Pauline

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product…. Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database…. Thank you for comments… Pulmicort Turbuhaler (budesonide) is one of the 2 new steroid inhalers; the other is Flovent. I use Pulmicort and consider it the best. It’s a DPI (dry powder inhaler), 200 puffs per container;

The leaflet with mine says that the number of puffs per container depend on the version being used – there is Pulmicort 100 (200 puffs I think), 200 (100 puffs) and 400 (50 puffs). In other words there is the same amount of drug in each inhaler but the mechanism varies in some way to deliver different doses. Therefore if you need 4 puffs twice a day of the 100, switching to the 400 will mean you need 1 puff twice a day but the inhaler won’t last any longer. However it will be easier and quicker to take. I use one puff twice a day (used to use multiple puffs of weaker inhalers). It’s made by Astra of Sweden and is popular worldwide. http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/treatmnt/drug/pulmicor.htm Pulmicort Turbuhaler Ellis

– Surfer!

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Hi What is the incidence of thrush like with the pulmicort inhaler vs. Flovent? Switching to blue cross HMO (USA) and they do not cover azmacort. Chilla

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I was very happy with Pulmicort, too (only stopped when I switched to Singulair). I liked both the fact that the "spacer" was essentially part of the inhaler itself, and that the inhaler kept track of how many puffs you’d used, so you knew when it needed replacing. Seemed to work at least as well as Vanceril DS, which I’d been using before then.

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In both Canada and the US, the 200mcg/dose version has 200 doses; not sure what the other dose versions have; the 200mcg/dose is the only one available in the US. SW.

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product…. Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database….

I’ve been using it for about a year. I like it better than the MDI stuff. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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my 400mcg turbohaler has 200 inhalations in it… Pauline puffs at ibm dot net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The leaflet with mine says that the number of puffs per container depend on the version being used – there is Pulmicort 100 (200 puffs I think), 200 (100 puffs) and 400 (50 puffs). In other words there is the same In both Canada and the US, the 200mcg/dose version has 200 doses; not sure what the other dose versions have; the 200mcg/dose is the only one available in the US. SW.

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The capacity of pulmicort turbohaler differs in different countrys. We, in Germany have Pulmicort 200

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Pulmicort And Fflovent » The Asthma Source book–new edition?

The Asthma Source book–new edition?

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Many thanks for the info! Will check that website right away!

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Does anyone know if this publisher runs early or late on publication dates and what sort of revisions were made? I am torn between getting what is available now and waiting for the revised edition.

Publication date for books are about as reliable as release dates for computer software. For both books and software I have taken the attitude: "I’ll believe it when I see it on the shelf."

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When I went to my local bookstore to buy The Asthma Sourcebook (right title?) which I have often seen highly praised in this group, I was told a revised edition is due out in November of 1998–about 4 months down the road. Does anyone know if this publisher runs early or late on publication dates and what sort of revisions were made? I am torn between getting what is available now and waiting for the revised edition.

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The author of ‘The Asthma Sourcebook’, Francis Adams, MD, has a web site. His email address is there. You could try emailing him with that question. Let us know what he says. http://home.earthlink.net/~francisva/news.html The Asthma Sourcebook News The existing book is copyright ‘96 and seems consistent with the ‘97 Expert Panel Report 2 in most respects. I doubt the updates would be substantial–lists of new drugs released like Pulmicort and Singulair. But you can pick up some of this info from his website. Cost of existing book is only $16 (less than a canister of Ventolin) and some stores discount, like amazon.com His web site has a link that takes you to amazon.com Ellis

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Eessential Tremor Effexor » Building finger/arm strength?

Building finger/arm strength?

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(in message It probably has more to do with a build up of residual metabolic by products (such as lactic acid) than hypertrophy of fast twitch muscle fibers.

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Hmm…I guess "at the expense" is the wrong choice of words. I don’t think you are helping your agility with these devices, but that’s it. JMK

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If you play an acoustic (or electric, for that matter) w/ heavy strings, make sure you warm up slowly at first. I highly advocate using thicker strings, when you play .012’s for even a little while, going back down to .010’s gets your fingers flying.

You could also do finger exercises if you’re just sitting around somewhere or waiting in line at the grocery store or whatever. Tap your fingers to your thumb one at a time and try mixing em up, like 1,3,2,4 4,3,2,1 and see how many times you can do it without screwing up. It doesn’t help strength a whole bunch but it trains your mind into getting used to playing leads. Peace & Grooviness schmange http://www.guitartricks.com/2000/host.php?input=7 Monday, May 28, 2001 3:07:30 AM Posted with Hogwasher. Mac first, Mac only: http://www.asar.com/cgi-bin/product.pl?58/hogwasher.html

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I have Essential Tremor, so my hands shake like a motherfucker when I try to get all intricate. I feel better when I just jam out. If I jam out a good riff I like, the more I play it, the more fluid it becomes. I have no patience for learning/practicing anything that I don’t enjoy playing. But that’s just me. Everyone has their own style. If you want to do scales and exercises, that’s cool. But I’d rather just play what’s in my head, and what sounds good to me. Sven – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you feel training for hand/finger strength with specific exercices is needed? Should I use some "grip strength building devices" etc? Or is better method just play with acoustic with heavy strings? Sometimes I have troubles forming barre chords, and my wrist also hurts occasionally. Should I stretch more etc? Any comments, pointer to WWW pages etc. is greatly appreciated.

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x-no-archive: yes The problem with strength-building devices is that they build up the slow-twitch muscles, which can increase your strength at the expense of your flexibility and agility (fast-twitch muscles). Where’d you get that?

Why, this newsgroup! I guess that’ll learn me. I notice a slowing in my playing after working out. It takes a few hours for that sluggishness to ease. It probably has more to do with a build up of residual metabolic by products (such as lactic acid) than hypertrophy of fast twitch muscle fibers.

I’m not a medical professional so I’ll defer to your expertise. JMK

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The best thing to do is just play. But you cant exactly carry a guitar in your pocket so you can play it during a ride home or chemistry class. I used a gripmaster for a while, but sooner or later it stops doing any good. If you play an acoustic (or electric, for that matter) w/ heavy strings, make sure you warm up slowly at first. I highly advocate using thicker strings, when you play .012’s for even a little while, going back down to .010’s gets your fingers flying.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you feel training for hand/finger strength with specific exercices is needed? Should I use some "grip strength building devices" etc? Or is better method just play with acoustic with heavy strings? Sometimes I have troubles forming barre chords, and my wrist also hurts occasionally. Should I stretch more etc? Any comments, pointer to WWW pages etc. is greatly appreciated. Play an acoustic daily. That’s all the exercise you’ll need.

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Do you feel training for hand/finger strength with specific exercices is needed? Should I use some "grip strength building devices" etc? Or is better method just play with acoustic with heavy strings? Sometimes I have troubles forming barre chords, and my wrist also hurts occasionally. Should I stretch more etc? Any comments, pointer to WWW pages etc. is greatly appreciated.

I used to squeeze a tennis ball when I first started playing but it didn’t really help much.. I also tried one of those spring loaded grip things… but same thing. It just made my hand hurt a lot and didn’t help with chords or anything. I think ya just have to practice a whole bunch with barre chords and be patient… Getting into a band helps a lot too cause it causes you to play your butt off and try harder than normal cause you don’t wanna look like a dork in front of everybody. Peace & Grooviness schmange http://www.guitartricks.com/2000/host.php?input=7 Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:34:34 PM Posted with Hogwasher. Mac first, Mac only: http://www.asar.com/cgi-bin/product.pl?58/hogwasher.html

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The problem with strength-building devices is that they build up the slow-twitch muscles, which can increase your strength at the expense of your flexibility and agility (fast-twitch muscles). I notice a slowing in my playing after working out. It takes a few hours for that sluggishness to ease. The best way to build up strength in conjunction with agility is just to play. JMK

I vastly prefer the machines at my gym because the barbells and dumbells can be really hard on my hands. Weight lifters will deny all this, but, they are full of beans. Isometric type exercises can be ok.. simple, smart, stretching.. like putting your hands together as if in prayer and lifting the elbows is ok.. also spread the fingers out and do the same thing. Exercises in which you practice control.. like laying the hand on a table and practicing lifting each finger in different orders.. is also ok. I’ve not tried any of the devices. Twang! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Kilbrannon Sound home page: http://www.kilbrannonsound.batcave.net MP3’s, schedules, other info…..

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I bought a Gripmaster, which is a great little device. But I then learned that I have some tendonitis in my left hand, and the Gripmaster can make it worse. So I say, just play the guitar. That should be exercise plenty. Mark

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Hi Timo: Mind you, I’m a beginner of only 11 months so take my comments with a grain of salt. ‘Bout 10 months ago when getting into barre chords, I had the same question/feeling about finger gadgets and such. Thankfully I followed the advice of folks on this newgsroup and decided just to let the strength develop over time whilest playing. Barre Chords and other things of that nature (IHMO) cannot be rushed. I say that because I learned the hard way by trying to rush my progress of barre chords and have a torn ligament in my index finger on my fret hand to prove that. 10 months later, it’s still slightly tight at times BUT finally healing. My doctor said certain types of ligament tears in the finger can take over a year to heal. I suspect I have that such tear. It happened because I tried to rush and "forced" too much strength/pressure into barre chords the first week getting into them because I wanted to sound good at them right away. Not to sound like a "born again" or a preacher (I ain’t neither) but don’t let this happen to you as I would not wish this injury on my worst enemy. It’s extremely painful and takes forever to heal. Fortunately the worst is over for me and I’ve been playing thru the injury since it happened and know that it will be completely healde in another few months. Aside from the injury, I noticed barre chords got easier and easier with daily practice and NOT exerting too much pressure/strength. Anymore (thanks to the "Heavy Arm" method where I use my thumb like a clamp and let my "heavy arm" hold the strings down naturally with the weight of my arm, the barre chords (even on the first fret) are relatively easy now. It also seems like I barely have to put much strength into it. So this will definitely happen to you too over time. That "Jamey Adreas" book called "Principles of Correct Guitar Practice" also talks about the "heavy arm" and it does make a difference for barre chords. thanks, Theron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any comments, pointer to WWW pages etc. is greatly appreciated. — Timo To reply, remove "ei", "roskaa" and ".invalid" from my e-mail address.

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Play an acoustic daily. That’s all the exercise you’ll need.

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<snipped Play an acoustic daily. That’s all the exercise you’ll need. <snipped Thats true!! But if you want them, there are gadgets on the market, from the typical sports grip thing through to the Gripmaster, designed for guitarists andworks individual fingers. The sports gripscost about

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Serzone? Long & somewhat rambling. Sorry.

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Amazing. We switched from DSL to Cable as our internet provider yesterday. I had only seen one reply to my post via DSL, when I logged on using the cable connection, all the rest appeared. Thank you everybody. For your words of support, and suggestions and for sharing your Serzone experiences. I dropped my dose down about three days ago from 400mg a day to 300mg. I have my mind back! It’s like the fog lifted and I can think again. I had exceeded a dose that was good for me. That’s all I can assume. The first couple of days I needed a prn Ativan along toward evening, but didn’t even need that yesterday. So, I’m feeling hopeful. Again, thank you all so much. I’m sorry I didn’t respond sooner, but the messages just weren’t there for me to respond to. Funky DSL. Debbie

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Debbie: My DR put me on Serzone about a month ago (and took me off of it). I, too, had memory problems (short-term memory), disorientation and confusion. It was like walking through a thick fog all the time. I can’t offer you the "hang in there" you need, because Serzone didn’t work with me. All I can offer is the "wait and see" approach or start the med "roulette." When Prozac quit working for me after 10 years, I, too, was terrified about starting a new med. My first SSRI was Paxil (I was severly depressed at the time) and all I did was sleep .. not a good thing when I really needed to get out of the house and work. Prozac worked just dandy for me, then in January, I noticed more and more PAs. I rode the Serzone roller coaster (each time the starter kit upped the dose, I got worse, lots of crying, light-headedness, forgetfulness) until I couldn’t even teach, grade, sleep … The DR switched my to Zoloft, it’s working OK right now, but I’m still wary. The Zoloft dose increases in two days …. who knows what it will do … Do you have a good doctor? One who listens? So far, I have a standing appointment with my DR every 2 weeks to see how the new meds are working (always with the option to get in before the 2 week appt). I don’t think I’ve helped you at all, but I hope my experience …. I don’t know … gives you some idea of a path to follow (not that I have a path … ) Let me know how it goes. schel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’ve been a frequent lurker to your group for over five years. I’ve gained much understand about my Panic Disorder and wealth of information – for which I am very grateful to all of you. I’ve struggled with my PD for six years. Fought the beast alone for three years with just PRN Xanax, then three years ago, I began daily medication to combat it. Serzone 150mg BID. It literally gave me my life back and the full blown PA’s actually stopped for several years. Last year we increased my PM dose to 200mg due to increased generalized anxiety. Three weeks ago, PD returned with a vengeance. I literally ran sobbing from a dinner theater. The first major, rock your world PA in almost three years. I went to the doc because I didn’t recover from this easily. I was tearful and anxious for several days following. At my insistence, the dose was increased to 200mg BID. In addition I have always taken 1mg Ativan at night, with the script written for PRN in addition. It’s been over two weeks now – I just can’t seem to get adjusted to this increase. I am just exhausted all the time and feel so spaced out and air-headed, not to mention it hasn’t done a thing for my overall anxiety. It is the short term memory loss that really has me bothered. I have felt this as a nagging concern for well over a year now. That I just couldn’t remember things from one minute to the next. This med increase just brought it screaming to the front of mind because it is even so much worse right now. I have decided, along with my doc over the phone, to go back to a place where I was successful. 150mg BID with the Ativan at night and PRN. She stresses the need to go ahead and use the Ativan PRN stave off the anxiety. I ramble all of this to begin with, because if feels kind of relieving to share it with others who understand, & to ask: How serious is this memory loss thing regarding Serzone?? Is it a permanent kind of thing, or just chemically induced when taking the med? The memory issues didn’t get much/any press on the web sites I looked at. Do you think maybe I just tried to exceed my own therapeutic level when I wanted to increase the med? I would literally be scared to death to try another med. I think I’m in the running for the poster child for "med phobics" <grin I just wonder if others have used this long term for PD and if so, encountered any of these sorts of experiences. I read backward in DejaNews for posts on the subject. I found a good many post about the various reason why others stopped taking it, but not so much from the folks who continued. I guess I just need a good "hang in there". I feel like I’m at the bottom of the world right now. Thank you so much for taking the time to wade through this. Debbie, who remembers better days, and is struggling with the current ones. — Problems are only opportunities in work clothes. –Henry Kaiser

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Liz, Thanks so much for the moral boost. I’m hoping reducing the dose will at least clear up fog I have seemed to be living in. I’ll have to see what happens with the anxiety piece. I always try to think positive, so I hope this is the trick. I appreciate your note, Debbie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Debbie, Welcome, Debbie. I am so sorry you are having more anxiety and the meds don’t seem to be working right. I will leave the med questions to the experts, but just wanted to send you strength and hope. Take care, Liz

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struggled with PD for six years. began Serzone 150mg BID. increased PM dose to 200mg due to increased generalized anxiety. three weeks ago, PD returned with a vengeance. dose increased to 200mg BID. take 1mg Ativan at night, PRN. can’t adjust to increase after two weeks on new dose. exhausted all the time, spaced out and air-headed does nothing for overall anxiety short term memory loss has increased back to successful dose of 150mg BID with the Ativan at night and PRN.

IMHO, this was a really good move on your part. I’m glad your pdoc agreed. How serious is this memory loss thing regarding Serzone??

Depends. My Dx is panic disorder w/o depression. Been on Serzone continuously since Sep 2000. Experienced short term memory loss and inability to focus on details 1 wk after dose went beyond 150mg BID. Is it a permanent kind of thing, or just chemically induced when taking the med?

Went as high as 200mg BID. Almost all background thought processing ceased. Although ruminating/runaway thoughts often triggered symptoms, my mind became TOO quiet. Very disturbing. Pdoc and I agreed to back-off to 100mg BID which is where I am now. Mind ‘thawed-out’ a day or two later and thought processing returned mostly to normal except for short-term memory ‘brown-out’ periods every so often. Get breakthru symptoms (but no full-blown attacks) about once every two weeks at this dose. Have Xanax PRN, but haven’t had the need in over a month now. The memory issues didn’t get much/any press on the web sites I looked at. Do you think maybe I just tried to exceed my own therapeutic level when I wanted to increase the med?

IMHO, yes. But ya never know until you try. Start low and move slow is a good rule of thumb. I found a good many post about the various reason why others stopped taking it, but not so much from the folks who continued. I guess I just need a good "hang in there".

I only have 6mo experience with Serzone, so can’t speak to long term side effects. My pdoc and I have agreed to stop around June/July 2001 and see what happens. However, if you feel like you can function within acceptible limits on your current regimen, my suggestion is to hang in there…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’ve been a frequent lurker to your group for over five years. I’ve gained much understand about my Panic Disorder and wealth of information – for which I am very grateful to all of you. I’ve struggled with my PD for six years. Fought the beast alone for three years with just PRN Xanax, then three years ago, I began daily medication to combat it. Serzone 150mg BID. It literally gave me my life back and the full blown PA’s actually stopped for several years. Last year we increased my PM dose to 200mg due to increased generalized anxiety. Three weeks ago, PD returned with a vengeance. I literally ran sobbing from a dinner theater. The first major, rock your world PA in almost three years. I went to the doc because I didn’t recover from this easily. I was tearful and anxious for several days following. At my insistence, the dose was increased to 200mg BID. In addition I have always taken 1mg Ativan at night, with the script written for PRN in addition. It’s been over two weeks now – I just can’t seem to get adjusted to this increase. I am just exhausted all the time and feel so spaced out and air-headed, not to mention it hasn’t done a thing for my overall anxiety. It is the short term memory loss that really has me bothered. I have felt this as a nagging concern for well over a year now. That I just couldn’t remember things from one minute to the next. This med increase just brought it screaming to the front of mind because it is even so much worse right now. I have decided, along with my doc over the phone, to go back to a place where I was successful. 150mg BID with the Ativan at night and PRN. She stresses the need to go ahead and use the Ativan PRN stave off the anxiety. I ramble all of this to begin with, because if feels kind of relieving to share it with others who understand, & to ask: How serious is this memory loss thing regarding Serzone?? Is it a permanent kind of thing, or just chemically induced when taking the med? The memory issues didn’t get much/any press on the web sites I looked at.

The memory loss is temporary, and will go away when (or if) you stop the Serzone. All psychoactive substances can impair cognition (ability to concentrate) and memory. Do you think maybe I just tried to exceed my own therapeutic level when I wanted to increase the

med? Your body couldn’t tolerate the increase, and it told you so. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would literally be scared to death to try another med. I think I’m in the running for the poster child for "med phobics" <grin I just wonder if others have used this long term for PD and if so, encountered any of these sorts of experiences. I read backward in DejaNews for posts on the subject. I found a good many post about the various reason why others stopped taking it, but not so much from the folks who continued. I guess I just need a good "hang in there". I feel like I’m at the bottom of the world right now. Thank you so much for taking the time to wade through this. Debbie, who remembers better days, and is struggling with the current ones.

Since an increase in your anxiety level precipitated the increase in Serzone, I think it advisable to treat the anxiety with a benzo, such as Ativan, taken on a regular (not as needed) basis. Chip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hi Debbie, Welcome, Debbie. I am so sorry you are having more anxiety and the meds don’t seem to be working right. I will leave the med questions to the experts, but just wanted to send you strength and hope. Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’ve been a frequent lurker to your group for over five years. I’ve gained much understand about my Panic Disorder and wealth of information – for which I am very grateful to all of you. I’ve struggled with my PD for six years. Fought the beast alone for three years with just PRN Xanax, then three years ago, I began daily medication to combat it. Serzone 150mg BID. It literally gave me my life back and the full blown PA’s actually stopped for several years. Last year we increased my PM dose to 200mg due to increased generalized anxiety. Three weeks ago, PD returned with a vengeance. I literally ran sobbing from a dinner theater. The first major, rock your world PA in almost three years. I went to the doc because I didn’t recover from this easily. I was tearful and anxious for several days following. At my insistence, the dose was increased to 200mg BID. In addition I have always taken 1mg Ativan at night, with the script written for PRN in addition. It’s been over two weeks now – I just can’t seem to get adjusted to this increase. I am just exhausted all the time and feel so spaced out and air-headed, not to mention it hasn’t done a thing for my overall anxiety. It is the short term memory loss that really has me bothered. I have felt this as a nagging concern for well over a year now. That I just couldn’t remember things from one minute to the next. This med increase just brought it screaming to the front of mind because it is even so much worse right now. I have decided, along with my doc over the phone, to go back to a place where I was successful. 150mg BID with the Ativan at night and PRN. She stresses the need to go ahead and use the Ativan PRN stave off the anxiety. I ramble all of this to begin with, because if feels kind of relieving to share it with others who understand, & to ask: How serious is this memory loss thing regarding Serzone?? Is it a permanent kind of thing, or just chemically induced when taking the med? The memory issues didn’t get much/any press on the web sites I looked at. Do you think maybe I just tried to exceed my own therapeutic level when I wanted to increase the med? I would literally be scared to death to try another med. I think I’m in the running for the poster child for "med phobics" <grin I just wonder if others have used this long term for PD and if so, encountered any of these sorts of experiences. I read backward in DejaNews for posts on the subject. I found a good many post about the various reason why others stopped taking it, but not so much from the folks who continued. I guess I just need a good "hang in there". I feel like I’m at the bottom of the world right now. Thank you so much for taking the time to wade through this. Debbie, who remembers better days, and is struggling with the current ones.

– Problems are only opportunities in work clothes. –Henry Kaiser

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Well Debbie I am not a med expert. I am sorry you are having a rough time right now. It does feel pretty unfair and makes you angry, doesn’t it, that IT came back! I have spent a lot of time pondering why IT attacked me for the first time almost a year ago and I have not been the same since. I can’t tell you about your meds, but I would encourage you to take your doc’s advice about using the Ativan as needed. Don’t cheat yourself out of the needed calming it can bring you during this rough time. Jeannie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello, I’ve been a frequent lurker to your group for over five years. I’ve gained much understand about my Panic Disorder and wealth of information – for which I am very grateful to all of you. I’ve struggled with my PD for six years. Fought the beast alone for three years with just PRN Xanax, then three years ago, I began daily medication to combat it. Serzone 150mg BID. It literally gave me my life back and the full blown PA’s actually stopped for several years. Last year we increased my PM dose to 200mg due to increased generalized anxiety. Three weeks ago, PD returned with a vengeance. I literally ran sobbing from a dinner theater. The first major, rock your world PA in almost three years. I went to the doc because I didn’t recover from this easily. I was tearful and anxious for several days following. At my insistence, the dose was increased to 200mg BID. In addition I have always taken 1mg Ativan at night, with the script written for PRN in addition. It’s been over two weeks now – I just can’t seem to get adjusted to this increase. I am just exhausted all the time and feel so spaced out and air-headed, not to mention it hasn’t done a thing for my overall anxiety. It is the short term memory loss that really has me bothered. I have felt this as a nagging concern for well over a year now. That I just couldn’t remember things from one minute to the next. This med increase just brought it screaming to the front of mind because it is even so much worse right now. I have decided, along with my doc over the phone, to go back to a place where I was successful. 150mg BID with the Ativan at night and PRN. She stresses the need to go ahead and use the Ativan PRN stave off the anxiety. I ramble all of this to begin with, because if feels kind of relieving to share it with others who understand, & to ask: How serious is this memory loss thing regarding Serzone?? Is it a permanent kind of thing, or just chemically induced when taking the med? The memory issues didn’t get much/any press on the web sites I looked at. Do you think maybe I just tried to exceed my own therapeutic level when I wanted to increase the med? I would literally be scared to death to try another med. I think I’m in the running for the poster child for "med phobics" <grin I just wonder if others have used this long term for PD and if so, encountered any of these sorts of experiences. I read backward in DejaNews for posts on the subject. I found a good many post about the various reason why others stopped taking it, but not so much from the folks who continued. I guess I just need a good "hang in there". I feel like I’m at the bottom of the world right now. Thank you so much for taking the time to wade through this. Debbie, who remembers better days, and is struggling with the current ones.

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Hello, I’ve been a frequent lurker to your group for over five years. I’ve gained much understand about my Panic Disorder and wealth of information – for which I am very grateful to all of you. I’ve struggled with my PD for six years. Fought the beast alone for three years with just PRN Xanax, then three years ago, I began daily medication to combat it. Serzone 150mg BID. It literally gave me my life back and the full blown PA’s actually stopped for several years. Last year we increased my PM dose to 200mg due to increased generalized anxiety. Three weeks ago, PD returned with a vengeance. I literally ran sobbing from a dinner theater. The first major, rock your world PA in almost three years. I went to the doc because I didn’t recover from this easily. I was tearful and anxious for several days following. At my insistence, the dose was increased to 200mg BID. In addition I have always taken 1mg Ativan at night, with the script written for PRN in addition. It’s been over two weeks now – I just can’t seem to get adjusted to this increase. I am just exhausted all the time and feel so spaced out and air-headed, not to mention it hasn’t done a thing for my overall anxiety. It is the short term memory loss that really has me bothered. I have felt this as a nagging concern for well over a year now. That I just couldn’t remember things from one minute to the next. This med increase just brought it screaming to the front of mind because it is even so much worse right now. I have decided, along with my doc over the phone, to go back to a place where I was successful. 150mg BID with the Ativan at night and PRN. She stresses the need to go ahead and use the Ativan PRN stave off the anxiety. I ramble all of this to begin with, because if feels kind of relieving to share it with others who understand, & to ask: How serious is this memory loss thing regarding Serzone?? Is it a permanent kind of thing, or just chemically induced when taking the med? The memory issues didn’t get much/any press on the web sites I looked at. Do you think maybe I just tried to exceed my own therapeutic level when I wanted to increase the med? I would literally be scared to death to try another med. I think I’m in the running for the poster child for "med phobics" <grin I just wonder if others have used this long term for PD and if so, encountered any of these sorts of experiences. I read backward in DejaNews for posts on the subject. I found a good many post about the various reason why others stopped taking it, but not so much from the folks who continued. I guess I just need a good "hang in there". I feel like I’m at the bottom of the world right now. Thank you so much for taking the time to wade through this. Debbie, who remembers better days, and is struggling with the current ones.

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Effexor » i am finally getting some help!!

i am finally getting some help!!

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That is so excellent, every step in the right direction is a huge step forward! ok…went to see my ob/gyn yesterday for a checkup…and i finally broke down and told him i was suffering with depression…i was so embarrassed…started crying and everything…but he gave me some sample of this drug called Effexor…(spelled right?) i haven’t started taking it yet, guess i’m a little nervous of the side effects, if it has any. and he also gave me a couple of 800 numbers to call to see about therapy…too nervous to call them yet. but just wanted everyone to know, i’m on my way to getting "there" hopefully will be "happy" again… Toni

– "Anything is hard to find, when you will not open your eyes."

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Effexor XR was a good med for me. We’re going to try Zoloft. Effexor XR was fine but I still had some deep depressions. G

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Good to see you working in the solution. Now if I could just KEEP my head out of the problem more often. G

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Good for you, Toni! I’ve been through therapy too, and I know you will find it worth it. Howard

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ok…went to see my ob/gyn yesterday for a checkup…and i finally broke down and told him i was suffering with depression…i was so embarrassed…started crying and everything…but he gave me some sample of this drug called Effexor…(spelled right?) i haven’t started taking it yet, guess i’m a little nervous of the side effects, if it has any. and he also gave me a couple of 800 numbers to call to see about therapy…too nervous to call them yet. but just wanted everyone to know, i’m on my way to getting "there" hopefully will be "happy" again… Toni

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Effexor Withdrawl

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PS……if you couldn’t tell by the X-File sig.

NIK! You’re not Gizzie from the X-Files newsgroup, are you?! I haven’t read that group for a long time, but I sure remember Giz! — Bunny

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NIK! You’re not Gizzie from the X-Files newsgroup, are you?! I haven’t read that group for a long time, but I sure remember Giz!

No hon…….haven’t really posted there (although I have lurked). I just had changed from NikNik7 to MycatGiz cuz I was getting tired of 50 spam e-mails and 1 personal one. Plus I got paranoid that people might find me here and use it against me. Of course, now that I have made it common knowledge and got over my little incident of paranoia I can say….. NIKNIK7 is also MYCATGIZ. Nik They say, "she’s crazy as anyone can be" That’s what they say, they say of me…….Sheryl Crow "On the Outside"

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Gee, can you say…….Frivolous Lawsuits. I’m not sure, let me try… Frivvawassa roosuts.

You’re singing backup for Baba Wawa these days? — Bunny

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Did I hear you say law suit? Don’t just stand by and do nothing about it. You know what it takes for evil to prosper … oh, give me a break! I went thru it too but I hardly think it warrants a friggin lawsuit. Gee, can you say…….Frivolous Lawsuits. Nik

o.k., granted this *would* be a frivolous lawsuit, imho… but just barely. i don’t know how bad your withdrawal was, but with mine had i had a steady job at the time (i was a student, and still am, actually) i would have missed about a week’s worth of work…and i like to think of myself as pretty hardy. anyway, comisseration to any who have had to deal with coming off effexor. not anything i’d ever want to do again…i actually still have the occasional side effect (did something get permenantly fucked in my brain?) even though i’ve been off the stuff for over 2 years. fun, fun, fun. -m.

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PS……if you couldn’t tell by the X-File sig. Hope it isn’t too long for you Mark…..I tried to keep it short just for you but am thinking of adding the entire lyrics to Stairway to Heaven and the 13 think? Nik They say, "she’s crazy as anyone can be" That’s what they say, they say of me…….Sheryl Crow "On the Outside"

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Hey, Nik, you’re not "niknik" of old, are you?

Nik They say, "she’s crazy as anyone can be" That’s what they say, they say of me…….Sheryl Crow "On the Outside"

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Did I hear you say law suit? Don’t just stand by and do nothing about it. You know what it takes for evil to prosper …

oh, give me a break! I went thru it too but I hardly think it warrants a friggin lawsuit. Gee, can you say…….Frivolous Lawsuits. Nik They say, "she’s crazy as anyone can be" That’s what they say, they say of me…….Sheryl Crow "On the Outside"

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I could go on and on about the interesting and and accute withdrawal symptoms I have been experiencing, but if you are taking Effexor, or thinking about it you should try to search AltaVista for "effexor withrdrawal" and look at the nearly 200,000 hits that come up. No you won’t find any warning listed with your prescription. Most of the doctors who prescibe this stuff don’t know about this side effect. Did I hear you say law suit? Don’t just stand by and do nothing about it. You know what it takes for evil to prosper … These statements are my personal opinions, and should not be considered medical advice or a call for any illegal or improper actions.

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Don’t start taking this drug, you will be *sorry* when you stop.

It isn’t like that for most people that take the drug, for most it has very few side effects and withdrawal only has minor ones if any. The three weeks of suffering you will go through are not worth it.

I had a lot more than three weeks. I had trouble all the while I took it and then coming off I had to go so slow that it took eight weeks just to get off it and some of the side effects persisted for six more weeks after that. Still though, for a lot of people Effexor is an effective drug with few side effects. I think that the difference in people’s reactions to it may indicate differing etiologies or pathologies or both for clinical depression. — bev . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://members.tripod.com/~Veb

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Don’t start taking this drug, you will be *sorry* when you stop. The three weeks of suffering you will go through are not worth it. Find and ask someone better informed that the doctor who gave you this idea.

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I didn’t have any joy going thru the withdrawal of Effexor however I would hardly say I regret being on it for 2 1/2 years. It *did* work and the only thing I told my pdoc was that I wished I had known how bad the withdrawal was….something he didn’t know of yet, either. If Effexor works for you or your doc thinks it might…don’t judge the medication just because of what it is like to go off of it. Some people may be fortunate enough to find it works for them and even if for a couple years….isn’t that better than being depressed for a couple more years….even if it mean a couple months of being uncomfortable? Nik They say, "she’s crazy as anyone can be" That’s what they say, they say of me…….Sheryl Crow "On the Outside"

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Effexor is a mood elevator. When you go off this drug,

I got dangerous side effects while on the drug. Hell, we even increased the dose after they started; thought it had more to do with a situational problem than internal workings of the neural system. The side effects worsened during withdrawal but were present before withdrawal. — bev . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://members.tripod.com/~Veb

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Some questions: How much does Effexor cost in California if you have to buy it yourself?

I paid $80.95 for one months supply of Effxor ER 150 mG at a store called "The Medicine Shoppe" in California. Prices vary, call around to different stores. Welcome to California, the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes. Charles

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I have very mixed feelings about Effexor…it was very helpful to me while on it, but insurance problems prevented me from continuing on the medication, and not having anything to fall back on I had to quit taking it. I did this in a phased withdrawl but it was still very difficult. I would only recomenned Effexor if a person knows that they will be covered by insurance and will always have access to it. Otherwise go with something that is cheaper (it’s VERY expensive) and you know you can get with no problem.

Oh dear. Effexor has been an absolute life-saver for me (literally). In the UK, we pay the same whatever our medication, so that’s okay. But I’m now moving to the US (getting married), and I’ve no idea what my insurance situation will be. I can get 3 months worth of Effexor from my GP to take with me. I am sure I can safely halve my dose and make that last for 6 months. But I don’t know what I’ll do then. Some questions: How much does Effexor cost in California if you have to buy it yourself? Does anyone by any chance have an insurance company they can recommend, who will cover ADs? Has anyone mixed Effexor with any herbal ADs? Christine Christine Daae on the Web http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~cdaae/

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Effexor withdrawal Hello there. You guys talk a lot about effexor and withdrawal but provide few details, and I am CURIOUS… Could you please enlighten me? Thanks

Sorry…several of us have been through it and you forget there are others here whom are unfamiliar with the drug. Effexor is a mood elevator. When you go off this drug, and this is especially true if it happens suddenly (though in a phased withdrawl bad things can happen too), you can drop into some very frightening and VERY dangerous depression. If you have already had problems with suicidal thoughts they come back with a vengeance, and in my case I spent entire days either weeping or unable to do anything apart from lie in bed and feel terrorized. I have very mixed feelings about Effexor…it was very helpful to me while on it, but insurance problems prevented me from continuing on the medication, and not having anything to fall back on I had to quit taking it. I did this in a phased withdrawl but it was still very difficult. I would only recomenned Effexor if a person knows that they will be covered by insurance and will always have access to it. Otherwise go with something that is cheaper (it’s VERY expensive) and you know you can get with no problem. Jeff (Drop the x to e-mail)

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Sally, beware of drugs touting false promises for BPs. St. John’s Wort, while very effective in studies overseas, is only effective for MILD DEPRESSION, not for bipolar. when you’ve got this particular lion banging at the doors, you need something different. a mood stabilizer (sorry, i’m not a doctor & i dont play one on tv) will help prevent the manias (what goes up must come down), and regulate the neurochemicals. having just been diagnosed as BP during the summer (and misdiagnosed for years before that, living on klonopin, zoloft, xanax, ritalin, whatever i/the docs thought would work), i can say i’ve been through the litany of drugs. i’m not physically tiny, but i am very sensitive to medication, and i am on doses that would not pass in the PDR for therapeutic. (900 mg of neurontin & 250 to 325 mg of depakote and that’s IT). i’ve had my share of cocktails, mixes, dosages, and unfortunately, it just does take a while to find the right drug or drugs. i can’t tolerate lithium, and everything else i’ve tried has produced a variety of side effects, some bearable, others not. i’m lucky because my doctor believes in simplifying the medication regimen as much as possible, so we started out with the idea that maybe i’d only need a single drug. it hasn’t worked out that way, but that’s life. what you DO need, IMO, is a doctor you trust. if you’re scared of the meds and you’re not being listened to (but you do have to listen, too), then you’re really doing yourself–and your kids–a disservice. Find a doctor you like and trust, be willing to deal with some side effects (make sure your doctor understands that you have kids and responsibilities), and try to have patience (yeah, right). feel free to email. Miz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m really scared of getting prescribed medication – once, before i was diagnosed as bipolar II, a doctor prescribed paxil. it knocked me out, all i did was sleep. then, when i said i thought it was too strong, he said it was all my imagination. so, i quit going to that doctor and months later i have been diagnosed BP II. i only weigh 90 lbs, and i’m 37. just have very small bone structure so it is a natural weight for me. but i can’t tolerate adult dosage, and docs never seem to take that into account. anyway, i’m rambling, my mind is a mess right now. sorry. the point is… i’m really afraid of taking these cocktails and such that you all describe. i have two children and i’m on my own with them most of the time (my husband’s work takes him away 3 weeks at a time, then home for 3 weeks). i HAVE to function to take care of them. but then, the doctor says she feels i really need them, and probably always will. do these medications always make people so sick? is there anyone out there who can say the meds are really helping them? i don’t think i understand this at all. also, sorry i’m using a fake email address, i have never been involved in a newsgroup and was afraid of getting weird mail or something.

Yeah, you’d get weird mail all right. I wish I’d never given my real address. My box is full of filthy trash mail every day. I wish I could e-mail you directly because the posts don’t go to everyone. Try using a fake address and put decoding directions in your signature. . . .Now to answer your question. Yes, meds will help you when you get the right one and the right dose. Sometimes that is not easy. Some docs won’t listen to you. I eventually had to take charge of adjusting the dosage myself. I too am very sensitive to meds of all types and usually half of the prescribed dosage is about right. Caution: if you are suicidal, don’t mess around with the dosage until you are stable. Also try to find a doctor that is willing to try different meds at different doses until you get it right. Also give it enough time. It takes a month or more to stabilize you. I think the longer you have been depressed, the longer it takes. Paxil however is one of the fastest acting ones and the quickest to wash out of the system. Depression also makes a person stuporous sometimes. I had one doctor who always thought I was zombied out by the depression and needed a higher dose, so he’d prescribe more and more and more. I finally had to dump him because he refused to listen to me and I was only able to function for one hour a day and gained 30 pounds sleeping all the time. Meds affect each person differently. Prozac puts me to sleep. Others feel great with it. Paxil makes me feel great, but puts you to sleep. For Bipolar Disorder, and antidepressant alone may not be the right medication. It works for me, but I’ve been under treatment for years. You must find a doc who will listen to you and work with you to help you feel better. Don’t give up on meds –they really do work! Take Care, –Carroll

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i’m feeling better today but i know it’s because i was out to see my daughter’s play and she was so good in it, it was great to see her so happy with her performance and we gave her 2 dozen roses when it was over. she’s 12, and is able to accomplish whatever she sets her mind to without having a downside, self-esteem problems, all those things i have always had. i love my kids, and i’ll never leave them no matter how down i get. this keeps me going day after day. i’m rambling again.

Dear Sally, You are not rambling. You are a human being who wants to live a normal life, stop worrying what others think of you. DO not let let anyone convince you that you are a broken thing, someone who can not think for herself. Use your eyes, ears, brain and a little help from friends, because that is all you need. Good luck with bringing up your child. I have two kids and it is a great experience, they teach me about life everyday. — Joop Kaashoek INSA Limited http://www.insaltd.com (408) 268-9650

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i’m really scared of getting prescribed medication – once, before i was diagnosed as bipolar II, a doctor prescribed paxil. it knocked me out, all i did was sleep. then, when i said i thought it was too strong, he said it was all my imagination. so, i quit going to that doctor and months later i have been diagnosed BP II. i only weigh 90 lbs, and i’m 37. just have very small bone structure so it is a natural weight for me. but i can’t tolerate adult dosage, and docs never seem to take that into account. anyway, i’m rambling, my mind is a mess right now. sorry. the point is… i’m really afraid of taking these cocktails and such that you all describe. i have two children and i’m on my own with them most of the time (my husband’s work takes him away 3 weeks at a time, then home for 3 weeks). i HAVE to function to take care of them. but then, the doctor says she feels i really need them, and probably always will. do these medications always make people so sick? is there anyone out there who can say the meds are really helping them? i don’t think i understand this at all. also, sorry i’m using a fake email address, i have never been involved in a newsgroup and was afraid of getting weird mail or something.

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seems like everyone that’s BP has had an awful hell of a time, and it makes me feel like there are finally some people out there who understand in this group. carma – i’m glad you are hanging in there and thanks for the message. going to hang in there myself with the st john’s wort for the 3 weeks the naturopathic doc says it will take for it to begin to have effect. it’s only been a little under 2 weeks but it seems like a lifetime waiting for this change. if this doesn’t work i think i’m forced to go ahead with the prescription meds and from what you say, it is worth the trouble. if there had been help for my mother (who killed herself in ‘67 at my age – 37), she might have been here today to see her beautiful grandchildren. i miss her every day. by the way, you are an incredibly strong woman with a will to match. thanks for the encouragement. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Once I made that med decision and saw how it did help me I won’t go back. I may trade one non-working med in for new ones but now that I have quit lying about how bad my life really was at times I’ll keep trying until the make the right med combination for me. Carma

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i don’t know what a mood stabilizer is, and don’t know what drugs are considered to be mood stabilizers. so, hopefully i’ll find some sort of alternative (as St. John’s Wort) that will act as a mood stabilizer. as for self education, i’d like to find some resources that will explain how the brain chemicals are affected when you are BPII. which ones are up, down, etc., so that i can find ways to improve my diet and life (this is optimistic on my part probably, but why not). HarvilleC wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bipolar II patients need a mood stabilizer, in addition to an anti-dperessant (usually). And anti-depressant alone may bring on wider mood swings and mania. It takes a while for meds to work, and it is a gradual process. The drugs first have to "prod" the brain out of the swings, then establish a new set point. It can take months. I am grateful for finding the right combination – it took a while, but with a dedicated doctor, and self-education, meds can and do work. Hang in there, and write to me anytime. Smooth sailing, Cathy

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By the way if it had been there in 1964 it could have helped my aunt DeLorice who killed herself at age 37 as well. Good luck with the SJW. Carma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – seems like everyone that’s BP has had an awful hell of a time, and it makes me feel like there are finally some people out there who understand in this group. carma – i’m glad you are hanging in there and thanks for the message. going to hang in there myself with the st john’s wort for the 3 weeks the naturopathic doc says it will take for it to begin to have effect. it’s only been a little under 2 weeks but it seems like a lifetime waiting for this change. if this doesn’t work i think i’m forced to go ahead with the prescription meds and from what you say, it is worth the trouble. if there had been help for my mother (who killed herself in ‘67 at my age – 37), she might have been here today to see her beautiful grandchildren. i miss her every day. by the way, you are an incredibly strong woman with a will to match. thanks for the encouragement. Carma Winfrey-Hayes wrote in article Once I made that med decision and saw how it did help me I won’t go back. I may trade one non-working med in for new ones but now that I have quit lying about how bad my life really was at times I’ll keep trying until the make the right med combination for me. Carma

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another note about mood stabilizers… i have to learn about this! what can you tell me… when i say i’m new to this diagnosis, i mean REALLY new. like, last Friday. i’m feeling better today but i know it’s because i was out to see my daughter’s play and she was so good in it, it was great to see her so happy with her performance and we gave her 2 dozen roses when it was over. she’s 12, and is able to accomplish whatever she sets her mind to without having a downside, self-esteem problems, all those things i have always had. i love my kids, and i’ll never leave them no matter how down i get. this keeps me going day after day. i’m rambling again. can you tell me about mood stabilizers? SMxMS wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Are you taking a mood stabilizer as well? An antidepressant for a bipolar can be activating, and this could be working against your best interests. Please make sure your psychiatrist knows what your naturopath doctor is prescribing for you. Just make sure everyone is working together. Hang in there–Meds don’t work overnight. I know it seems forever. Are you quite sure you’re not supposed to be taking a mood stabilizer? I am NOT a doctor, but I just wanted to clarify this point. Hang in there–we all can sympathize. We’ve been there.

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but then, the doctor says she feels i really need them, and probably always will. do these medications always make people so sick? is there anyone out there who can say the meds are really helping them? i don’t think i understand this at all. also, sorry i’m using a fake email address, i have never been involved in a newsgroup and was afraid of getting weird mail or something.

Sally, Bipolar II patients need a mood stabilizer, in addition to an anti-dperessant (usually). And anti-depressant alone may bring on wider mood swings and mania. It takes a while for meds to work, and it is a gradual process. The drugs first have to "prod" the brain out of the swings, then establish a new set point. It can take months. I am grateful for finding the right combination – it took a while, but with a dedicated doctor, and self-education, meds can and do work. Hang in there, and write to me anytime. Smooth sailing, Cathy

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They are correct and sorry if I wasn’t explicit earlier. To be stable means you need something for mood cycling like Lithium, Dpakote or Tegretol or one of the more experimental newer meds like Neurotonin that are helping many bipolars. While some BP’s have traded in their anti-depressants for SJW in general this would probably only work for people whose depressive cycles are milder than average. To be really stable most BP’s need a good mood drug AND a good anti-depressant and some with more difficult to treat BP take multiple combinations of these two med categories. The 2 1/2 years I took only an anti-depressant made no dent on my hypomanic anger or rage. That didn’t happen until after I started the lithium. Like I said the lithium side affects have been a pain in the butt but I’m still willing to hang in there until something better comes along. Carma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i don’t know what a mood stabilizer is, and don’t know what drugs are considered to be mood stabilizers. so, hopefully i’ll find some sort of alternative (as St. John’s Wort) that will act as a mood stabilizer. as for self education, i’d like to find some resources that will explain how the brain chemicals are affected when you are BPII. which ones are up, down, etc., so that i can find ways to improve my diet and life (this is optimistic on my part probably, but why not). HarvilleC wrote in article Bipolar II patients need a mood stabilizer, in addition to an anti-dperessant (usually). And anti-depressant alone may bring on wider mood swings and mania. It takes a while for meds to work, and it is a gradual process. The drugs first have to "prod" the brain out of the swings, then establish a new set point. It can take months. I am grateful for finding the right combination – it took a while, but with a dedicated doctor, and self-education, meds can and do work. Hang in there, and write to me anytime. Smooth sailing, Cathy

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