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I am new to the group, and have a family of asthmatics.  I am 29-years old and was finally diagnosed with asthma about 2-years ago.  I have a just turned 4-year old who has had asthma since he was 6-months old, a 7-year old who was recently diagnosed, and a 5-month old baby who has already contracted RSV and been on albuterol nebulizer treatments. I have had very nasty side effects with Prednisone and Prednisolone oral steroids.  I also have a hard time taking Decahedron.  The only oral steroid I have been able to tolerate is a Medrol dose pack.  Has anyone one had similar problems? I would also appreciate any information available on RSV and its effects. Thank you.

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I am new to the group, and have a family of asthmatics.  I am 29-years old and was finally diagnosed with asthma about 2-years ago.  I have a just turned 4-year old who has had asthma since he was 6-months old, a 7-year old who was recently diagnosed, and a 5-month old baby who has already contracted RSV and been on albuterol nebulizer treatments. I have had very nasty side effects with Prednisone and Prednisolone oral steroids.  I also have a hard time taking Decahedron.  The only oral steroid I have been able to tolerate is a Medrol dose pack.  Has anyone one had similar problems? I would also appreciate any information available on RSV and its effects. Thank you.

The oral steroids commonly used for asthma are prednisone, prednisolone, and methylprednisolone (Medrol). I think the side effects are similar. I think that Decadron (dexamethsone) is not usually used for asthma due to its more severe side effects. The oral steroids are used for ‘burst’ doses for asthma exacerbations, and for very Severe asthmatics. Many asthmatics who formerly took oral steroids for maintenance have been able to switch to the new high-strength steroid inhalers like Flovent and Pulmicort, which results in a much lower total dose of steroid since it goes directly to the lungs. Oral steroids have many side effects including osteoporosis, high BP, psychological effects, etc. Info on RSV at www.rsvinfo.com (drug co. site) http://www.rsvinfo.com/sequelae/sequelae.html "Recurring Respiratory Problems   Reactive airway disease and pulmonary function deficits are   two conditions known to strike those who have suffered   from RSV bronchiolitis in their first year of life, even in   children whose initial illness did not require   hospitalization.10 Wheezing and asthma have also been   identified in children 10 years after suffering an RSV lower   respiratory tract infection in infancy. 11 This susceptibility   to asthma and wheezing may have been caused by the early   infection damaging the growing lung. However, genetics   may also play a role in predisposing patients with RSV to   the development of recurring respiratory problems.11   Two major hypotheses have been proposed to explain the   association between lower respiratory tract infections such   as RSV during infancy and subsequent respiratory   abnormalities such as asthma and chronic obstructive   pulmonary disease.10   These two possibilities, however, while contrasting, are not   necessarily mutually exclusive.   According to various prospective studies involving   children who had experienced RSV infection as infants, the   following RSV sequelae have been reported11-21:         recurrent wheezing; cough         asthma; impaired oxygenation         pulmonary dysfunction         bronchial reactivity         acute respiratory disease         hyperinflation         variable airways obstruction   RSV Risk Factors   It is important to note that there is a broad spectrum of RSV   infection ranging from mild to severe to fatal, and it is not   known whether RSV sequelae follow mild RSV infections, as   most prospective studies follow cases of infants who were   hospitalized for moderate to severe RSV infection.11-21   In hospitalized patients with moderate to severe cases of   RSV bronchiolitis infection, physicians should consider   early treatment with an antiviral agent to reduce the risk of   long-term sequelae.   Those infants and young children most at risk for severe   RSV infection include:         Those with a history of prematurity         Infants less than six weeks of age         Those with congenital heart disease         Those with chronic lung conditions including         bronchopulmonary dysplasia and cystic fibrosis         Those who suffer from immunodeficiency (e.g., HIV,         AIDS, cancer, transplants)   Can Early Treatment Make a Difference?   If viral infections early in life cause long-term sequelae, RSV   can be considered a prime candidate by virtue of high   incidence in early infancy.10 But is there anything that can   help decrease the risk of long-term sequelae? Some studies   confirm a decreased overall incidence of bronchitis in   ribavirin-treated patients but do not maintain that   subsequent diagnosis of reactive airway disease is reduced   due to such antiviral treatment.22 However, recent   prospective and retrospective studies23-25 indicate that   aggressive medical intervention and early treatment with a   broad-spectrum antiviral may reduce the morbidity from RSV   disease.     AUTHORS: Fergie et al at Driscoll Children’s Hospital in              Corpus Christi, Texas     METHODS: Assessed the pulmonary health status at two years following             hospital discharge of 30 ribavirin-treated infants with RSV             bronchiolitis (1994-1995 RSV season)             Compared this status with 28 matched infants whose             treatment at the same hospital excluded ribavirin      RESULTS:           For Full Prescribing Information For VIRAZOLE

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Wellbutrin doesn’t cause sexual side effects!  Effexor XR worked great for me but is a TOTAL b*tch to withdraw from – even if you miss one day you get nauseated and sick – bad news!  It also caused sexual side effects for me, as does Celexa – I would avoid both Celexa and Effexor XR and go for the BuSpar or try Wellbutrin. ~Melissa

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Wellbutrin doesn’t cause sexual side effects!  Effexor XR worked great for me but is a TOTAL b*tch to withdraw from – even if you miss one day you get nauseated and sick – bad news!  It also caused sexual side effects for me, as does Celexa – I would avoid both Celexa and Effexor XR and go for the BuSpar or try Wellbutrin. ~Melissa

 But thats your response to Effexor Melissa. Everyone is different. I have been on Effexor XR now for about 3 months. Last weekend I missed my first daily dose, I was staying at a friends house and was so busy with things going on that I just forgot to take my Effexor. I experienced no side effects at all – none. The next day I took my usual dose of 75mg without noticing anything out of the ordinary. I don’t think you can’t lump everyone into the same catagory – people respond differently. So far Effexor XR has helped me a lot.

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My wife has been suffering from daily anxiety for some time now. It may be related to her diagnoses of multiple sclerosis over a year ago; her menopausal phase; or her hypothyroidism. After taking hormone replacement therapy and synthroid for the thyroid problem, she still has daily anxiety. She has been treating it with Ativan but her doc recommend an anti-depressent. Here’s the problem: her GP recommends Celexa; her neurologist recommends Effexor; and her psychiatrist recommended Buspar (and maybe a second drug as well.) She tried Prozac years ago and it worked well except she lost all interest in sex or orgasm was near impossible. My question is…can anyone give some insight into possible side effects of the 3 ADs mentioned? What might she expect? What about withdrawl from them? Getting off of Prozac was a bitch. Any help would be appreciated.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife has been suffering from daily anxiety for some time now. It may be related to her diagnoses of multiple sclerosis over a year ago; her menopausal phase; or her hypothyroidism. After taking hormone replacement therapy and synthroid for the thyroid problem, she still has daily anxiety. She has been treating it with Ativan but her doc recommend an anti-depressent. Here’s the problem: her GP recommends Celexa; her neurologist recommends Effexor; and her psychiatrist recommended Buspar (and maybe a second drug as well.) She tried Prozac years ago and it worked well except she lost all interest in sex or orgasm was near impossible. My question is…can anyone give some insight into possible side effects of the 3 ADs mentioned? What might she expect? What about withdrawl from them? Getting off of Prozac was a bitch. Any help would be appreciated.

Buspar in not like any other anxiety drug and not use for panick attack. It takes effect after a few weeks and does not interfere with the interest in sex. On the contrary, some say that at high dosage, it helps. The only sundesirable side effects i have experienced with Buspar is, sometimes, dizziness and tiredness. Il helps to take the medication with a very large glass of water. If you experience panick attack you could had attivan or something similar for a couple of days. ap

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It linked to http://rxlist.com and I noted the connection between Effexor and blood pressure.  Though the data played down the impact of Effexor, it did indicate that Effexor did raise blood pressure in proportion to dose. I just had my blood pressure taken after 9 months of Effexor XR 150mg.  The first systolic reading was 170 and the second was 160.  The nurse was worried that I was about to have a stroke!  I stopped taking it for several days, today my reading was 145/90 (still too high but not stroke-level). I am going to go for a week without it and see what my blood pressure drops to.  Although I am somewhat overweight and my diet is not too good, I am convinced that the Effexor is the chief cause of my high blood pressure.  Just 2 years ago it was only 125 in a doctor’s office.

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As others have mentioned, I’d sure give Zoloft a try. I, too, have been on all of it. Until I started Zoloft, I had been in the hospital 5 times. It’s now been 7 years since my last admission and have only missed a handful of days from work because of depression. Zoloft changed my life. Just remember that when you first start the med, you may have some bothersome side affects but they do end(at least for me). Stick with it and you will find the results well-worth it. Best of luck. Emily

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I noticed someone suggested Lamictal in one of the posts.  I am currently on Lamictal, along with Wellbutrin and Serax at night.  As for the Lamictal, I didn’t really notice much by itself at first, but the obvious thing I noticed about Lamictal is that I didn’t experience any side affects!  None. Now, when they started to add the others, of course I experienced some side affects.  They just increased my dose of Lamictal to 125mg, and again, no side effects.  The hope is that they just might have needed a little bit of a higher dose for it to kick in. So far, so good, but … well, it is probably way to soon. But again, the nice factor about Lamictal for me was that I experienced NO side affects.  What is the harm in trying if there are no side effects? There is a rash that you have to watch for, but that will just mean you have to stop… What is a rash that will go away compared to .. headaches, insomnia, being tired all the time, constipation, …. you get the idea.. Pamela

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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Thanks for mentioning it, but I had 8 ECTs while in hospital 1-1/2 years ago, over a 3-week period.  They just did not work.  I crashed in a bad way after the 8th. Carrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carrie, I am a newbie to the group and depression in general, but have you asked your pdoc about a course of ECT? Rob D Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her. She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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Carrie, I am a newbie to the group and depression in general, but have you asked your pdoc about a course of ECT? Rob D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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I wish I could help you : (((((((((((((((((Carie)))))))))))))))))

My bad Carrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I wish I could help you : (((((((((((((((((Carie))))))))))))))))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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Cheers? Carrie I’ve read posts here about Zoloft and that was one I was going to inquire about.  thanks for the reminder. The abyss.  Thanks for giving me a word for that *feeling*.  Black hole is another great description.  Ah, wouldn’t want to give you any more pain! But, I may occasionally rant away.    I’ll pick some (non-controversial) issue and just pick it apart. Thanks Sharon Carrie )

Well, at least you’ve put a smiley face next to your name, I just started Remeron and it’s going very well for me. I’ve often wondered if people experience anti dep "burn out" after a length of time on one drug, which then means switching to another.  I’ve  plowed through a fair number of different anti deps.    My last successful one was dosage made me very dizzy.   I also took Celexa with the Effexor at times. I also like that word "abyss"…….it describes my past year’s depression recurrence exactly.  However, I also have some issues that eventually caused incredible anger, and everytime I had a setback (concerning the issues) I would have uncontrollable episodes of rage to the point where I was obsessed with revenge…..the kind that is associated with a knife.  So the Remeron kinda calmed me down, and also I’ve been on a regimen of Xanax, but am now ramping down on that. Carrie, maybe I misunderstood your post, but just why in the heck is your pdoc having you sit in limbo for awhile? Feel free to contact me if you need to rant…… controversial or otherwise. Jeanne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<< Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Try an SSRI or Effexor augmented with an atypical anti-psychotic like Seroquel or Zyprexa. Can be very effective even in cases of non psychotic treatment resistant depression. Another thing you could try is lithium or lamictal augmentation of an antidepressant…some people swear by lithium augmentation and they arent bipolar in the least. Have you had your thyroid checked anytime in the last couple years? That could be causing med poopout, quite common in females. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??

Nah, probably a waste of time if it was ineffective the first time around. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her. She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie Wow.. Sounds like the shit is hitting the fan, so sorry!

        Yea, it does come to think of it.  Life a a total stress fracture right now. Have you tried Zoloft? It "Prozacian" (technical, eh?), it just acts on a different receptor. It pooped on me but worked well, and fast. Tricyclics _may_ work, but if they didn’t work the first time around, I wouldn’t bet the farm on them. I’m sure you know hubby just doesn’t understand, but it would be nice if they did. Tell him how you feel when he says things like that. I’m not trying to start WW III, but it may help. And I know it’s hard, but try not to feel you’re imposing. Please consider I’m divorced before trying it.

I’ve read posts here about Zoloft and that was one I was going to inquire about.  thanks for the reminder. <LectureDO stay in touch with your pdoc, she may have plans for a new med, and taking something could "mess up THE plan". If you’re feeling, well, that abyss feeling, don’t hesitate to call her.</end lecture Wish I could say something that would take some pain away! Write if you need to rant. Hugs, Sharon

The abyss.  Thanks for giving me a word for that *feeling*.  Black hole is another great description.  Ah, wouldn’t want to give you any more pain! But, I may occasionally rant away.    I’ll pick some (non-controversial) issue and just pick it apart. Thanks Sharon Carrie )

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her. She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie Have you tried desipramine?  I haven’t see you post that you tried that one….it’s worked really well for me.  just a thought….

No, I’ve not desipramine.  But I will be print off suggestions made here and talking to the pdoc about meds. Ulnar nerve entrapment at the elbow….I have that in my left arm…they can transpose the nerve to the front of the elbow to take the pressure off the nerve and eliminate the numbness.  I haven’t had the surgery yet, I’m trying not  to have it done, I just compensate for not feeling in those fingers……   Get to a neuro if you haven’t and have the ncv done on both arms and find out exactly where the compression is.  They can splint both arms with a brace that has a little air bladder that takes pressure off the ulnar nerve and hopefully some of the numbness goes away..but you need to see a neuro…typing is hard when you can’t feel all your fingers….. Deborah

wow, amazing!  That is exactly what it is.  I’ve got a neuro appt in Oct. I’ve also got some spinal X-ray to do also.  Some thought that my back plays an ugly part.  It will still be a while before any resolution to this little cutie is fixed ) thanks Deborah! Carrie

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Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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I used to have the same side effects. It lasted long, at least a month. I wasn’t working at that time. About an hour after taking 10mg I got pale and sweaty on the face, extremely sleepy and had a terrible headache. Cofee helped me a lot, that I normally don’t drink cause it boosts my anxiety when in stressful situations. I felt better taking Paxil early in the morning or in the night; the worst in the afternoon (It’ still like that). Nowadays (after a year) I get a bit drowsy with a headache after taking Paxil, but not more often than once a week, especially when I take it irregulary. boasss

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Well, I guess that I am certainly living proof that side affects don’t "affect" everyone.   I’ve been on Paxil for over a year now, and have nothing but positive things about it.   It does work, and it does help.  If the side effects are too much, that’s one thing, but just because a few people get them doesn’t mean you will! "sssboa" <sss…@goto.hell.pl

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in the night; the worst in the afternoon (It’ still like that). Nowadays (after a year) I get a bit drowsy with a headache after taking Paxil, but not more often than once a week, especially when I take it irregulary. boasss

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I don’t consider my side-effects serious after all. boasss

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           Man,  I just started paxil yesterday and all I have been doing is sleeping.  Good thing I had yesterday and today off from work.  I am sleeping more now than I did from depression.  And when I am sleeping I am OUT.  Laid down for a nap tonight at 7:30pm cause I couldn’t keep my eyes open and the next thing I knew it was 11pm. Damn.  Anyone else have this side effect?  I hope it goes away.  I also have a slight headache right at my forehead but I don’t know if that is from too much sleep or the meds.

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           Man,  I just started paxil yesterday and all I have been doing is sleeping.  Good thing I had yesterday and today off from work.  I am sleeping more now than I did from depression.  And when I am sleeping I am OUT.  Laid down for a nap tonight at 7:30pm cause I couldn’t keep my eyes open and the next thing I knew it was 11pm. Damn.  Anyone else have this side effect?  I hope it goes away.  I also have a slight headache right at my forehead but I don’t know if that is from too much sleep or the meds.

The head ache can be a side effect of paxil as well as the sleeping. At what time of the day are you taking the drug? Try to take all your dose before you go to bed. If it doesn’t matter when you take it, i.e. you are sleepy all day then I would try another drug. I used to get sleepy from taking paxil and a headache sometimes. Richard

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, meow <nospammeo…@rochester.com writes:            Man,  I just started paxil yesterday and all I have been doing is sleeping.  Good thing I had yesterday and today off from work.  I am sleeping more now than I did from depression.  And when I am sleeping I am OUT.  Laid down for a nap tonight at 7:30pm cause I couldn’t keep my eyes open and the next thing I knew it was 11pm. Damn.  Anyone else have this side effect?  I hope it goes away.  I also have a slight headache right at my forehead but I don’t know if that is from too much sleep or the meds.

Paxil had me so out of it that if I wasn’t sleeping, I had to be flat on my back to avoid getting queezy.  Take a good look at the side effects list for paxil.  I found that I suffered practically all of them.  Worse still was coming off of it.  I had become so dependant that standing up became a challenge – I’d suddenly have my equilibrium jolt off one way or another and practically fall over.  This happened for MONTHS after getting off of it. If you can at all avoid it, stay away from the stuff and go with something less volatile.  I’m on effexir now, and while missing a day leaves me cranky as all get-out, it is night-and-day better than paxil ever was.         rOn

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Paxil had me so out of it that if I wasn’t sleeping, I had to be flat on my back to avoid getting queezy.  Take a good look at the side effects list for paxil.  I found that I suffered practically all of them.  Worse still was coming off of it.  I had become so dependant that standing up became a challenge – I’d suddenly have my equilibrium jolt off one way or another and practically fall over.  This happened for MONTHS after getting off of it.

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If you can at all avoid it, stay away from the stuff and go with something less volatile.  I’m on effexir now, and while missing a day leaves me cranky as all get-out, it is night-and-day better than paxil ever was.

I went from Paxil to Effexor, too. I agree, it’s ten times better. Thing is, though (according to my doc), you should never miss an Effexor dose AT ALL.Yah, it will make you cranky. For my kids’ sake, I make sure I refill early. JLeon

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Modern SSRI antidepressants are good at preventing both depression and ejaculation…..     It’s a well known but little discussed side effect of drugs like prozac, zoloft, effexor, citalopram….. Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem? Thanks R

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem? Thanks R

It is possible to abuse sex. It can be very effective as a means of reducing anxiety. It is an addiction much as drinking exsessive amounts of alcohol. Doubt if it’s biochemical any more then an alcoholic that feels depressed when drinking. Contact a therapist that knows anything about sexual issues. And a lot of them don’t know so don’t settle for the first you find. They might also tell you if there is a possibillity that it is a biochemical reaction. J.

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem? Thanks R

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I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem?

Stop ejaculating and get some good therapy?? Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man  *and*  The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.

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Worn_Out,  you seem to be feeling a little better, are you?  hopefully  

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I am doing better.  My wife says I am talking more & I have started kidding with my 24 year old daughter, again.  I think the tofranil is helping & I am on my third week on testosterone injections. I have decided that bi-polar disorder is forever.  I woke up this morning in very bad shape, but have gotten over it.  Somehow we must all manage to survive because the bad times come and go and if things are bad now, they WILL get better. Thanks Worn_Out,  you seem to be feeling a little better, are you? hopefully

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What % of manic depressives commit suicide?

I have heard that one in five commit suicide, but I wouldn’t swear by it. I hope you find a treatment that works for you. The future brings us the hope of new drugs and new treatments. Web Page at: www.robertpo.com For email replies remove the ****

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What % of manic depressives commit suicide? I have heard that one in five commit suicide, but I wouldn’t swear by it. I hope you find a treatment that works for you. The future brings us the hope of new drugs and new treatments. Web Page at: www.robertpo.com For email replies remove the ****

I’ve seen studies that showed that 1 in 5 bipolars who refused treatment committed suicide. But…these were bipolars sick enough that they had been hospitalized, that’s where they were found for the study. Also, it stands to reason that those who refuse treatment are sicker with more personality problems than average. Also, these were people who were hospitalized in public hospitals, which again indicates that they were sicker…someone in a private hospital probably has been able to work until recently, and hasn’t alienated or shoved away family and friends yet. Still, taking your meds and working with your doctor is the best way to keep from getting worse…and worse can be very, very bad.

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Paxil worked for me. Not to high though-Reached an even – level of comfort. It sounds like you have to find a MD (preferably, a psychopharmacologist) who knows how to mix different combinations of drugs. Don’t lose hope, though.  If you do you start asking questions about suicide, and you might have to live it all again in the next life.  At this point, paying for drugs is a bigger problem for the long haul than taking them.  Any advice? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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At this point, paying for drugs is a bigger problem for the long haul than taking them.  Any advice?

I have been started on Tofranil/Imipramine and my pharmacy dispensed it in its generic form.  Instead of paying a copay of $7.00 for the name brand I pay $2.00 for the generic.  The book, "The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs", shows that the name brand would be $.62/pill and the generic would be $.05/pill (the book was published in 1990). If this is still true, a great deal can be saved by buying generic, if possible. The book, "The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs", by Jack M. Gorman, MD. is the best help in this area that I have found.  If you can find a recent edition, I highly reccomend it. Good luck! Before you buy.

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Drop trou Nihil  You know you get a spanking for saying bad stuff like that. Bend over,  ten whacks with the leather strap. 1   *[SMACK]*      ( oouch) 2   *[WACK]*         (stop) 3   *[CRACK]*        ( I take it back,  please stop) Let those warm yer buns a while,  I’ll fix you a few fresh ones in a bit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? Personally, I think that Doctor Kevorkian, whom I consider to be a Saint, has the best treatment.

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Everyone is different.  Tell me what you’ve tried, kay?  Also, let me know what your additional symptoms are, etc.  Have you had partial relief with certain drugs? There may be treatments that are better for BPI and treatments that are better for BPII.  A lot of people take different drug cocktails, as I’m sure you know.  A friend of mine is on lithium AND neurontin, among other things. I’ve been on lots of diff. stuff simultaneously: buspar, trazodone, klonopin, prozac, lithium, depakote, and neurontin are the bulk of the things I’ve been on.  Are you taking an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer? -bpkittycat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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I am now on Tofranil and Lithobid. I have had about 35 ECT treatments (unilateral and bilateral). I have been on: Xanax Elavil Dexedrine Anafranil Welbutrin Buspar Tegretol Librium Valium Effexor Prozac Tofranil Librium Eskalith Ritalin Nardil Serzone Pamelor Parnate Paxil Prozac Risperdal Zoloft Xanax Thyroid Hormone Testosterone I appreciate your interest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Everyone is different.  Tell me what you’ve tried, kay?  Also, let me know what your additional symptoms are, etc.  Have you had partial relief with certain drugs? There may be treatments that are better for BPI and treatments that are better for BPII.  A lot of people take different drug cocktails, as I’m sure you know.  A friend of mine is on lithium AND neurontin, among other things. I’ve been on lots of diff. stuff simultaneously: buspar, trazodone, klonopin, prozac, lithium, depakote, and neurontin are the bulk of the things I’ve been on.  Are you taking an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer? -bpkittycat

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Worn Out- I can see why you are frustrated I’ve forgotten what Tofranil is for.  Antipsychotic?  Antidepressant?  MAOI or Tricyclic? What symptoms do you have the most trouble with?  I seem to be depressed a lot, and have had depression for most of my life, and "only" a few major manic episodes.  I suffer from migraines as well, and hope that the neurontin that I’ve just started will help in preventing the attacks (mania and migraine). I am wondering what you have tried and what you know about diet and how it affects mood.  I would suggest, if you are not already doing so, to severely cut down on all carbohydrates, have lots of protein, and consume 3T of flax seed oil every day.  Always use olive oil when you can, too (like in salad dressings, for dipping bread in, etc.). These new drugs for seizures are supposed to work for many treatment-resistant patients.  check out the Neurontin facts posted earlier today if you haven’t already. Good luck, and I hope you get some good advice and new ideas from others… -bpkittycat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am now on Tofranil and Lithobid. I have had about 35 ECT treatments (unilateral and bilateral). I have been on: Xanax Elavil Dexedrine Anafranil Welbutrin Buspar Tegretol Librium Valium Effexor Prozac Tofranil Librium Eskalith Ritalin Nardil Serzone Pamelor Parnate Paxil Prozac Risperdal Zoloft Xanax Thyroid Hormone Testosterone I appreciate your interest. Everyone is different.  Tell me what you’ve tried, kay?  Also, let me know what your additional symptoms are, etc.  Have you had partial relief with certain drugs? There may be treatments that are better for BPI and treatments that are better for BPII.  A lot of people take different drug cocktails, as I’m sure you know.  A friend of mine is on lithium AND neurontin, among other things. I’ve been on lots of diff. stuff simultaneously: buspar, trazodone, klonopin, prozac, lithium, depakote, and neurontin are the bulk of the things I’ve been on.  Are you taking an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer? -bpkittycat Before you buy.

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After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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re: question #1: that’s the question, all right re: question #2: between 15 & 20% (some confusion, apparently, about whether this means *all* people with bipolar or just the untreated ones). What about the undiagnosed ones, then? I interpolate all this to indicate that the figure refers to all bipolars. — Deep – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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: After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective : treatment for its depression. : : What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression?    There is no most effective treatment, it varies with the    circumstances and individual.  Passage of time usually    brings with it some relief of symptoms. : : What % of manic depressives commit suicide?   It is higher for untreated sufferers……15-20% if I recall   correctly.   nm : : : Before you buy. :

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<Posted and Mailed One thing that my therp threw at me that was hard to accept (okay…still is), but I know is true, is that we cannot control the way we feel, only how we act because of our feelings. Yeah, it’s kind of warped sounding in a way, but it is true. For instance, I can’t stop myself from feeling I’m a completely useless turd, BUT, hopefully I can stop acting like a completely useless turd until I finally (maybe) feel differently.

This is similar to what I call "acting you way into a feeling". It is far easier said than done — particularly when you’re very depressed. But for example lets say that you are mildly depressed and don’t want to go to a party that otherwise you would want to go to. But you are going to make the effort to go anyway in spite of how you feel. You decide that you are going to act like you are having a great time. So you put on your best party grin and start mingling and talking. Pretty soon you find that you are no longer acting a role — but you are really enjoying yourself. This technique works better with situational depression than with bipolar depression. It’s much harder to fool neurotransmitters!

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permanently in the ether: I wasn’t aware that Buspar was so short acting. I take 30 mg at bedtime, it used to be 15mg am and pm, but the am dose was definitely making me sluggish. Of course, it could have been the paxil that was knocking me out. I have no idea how effective the Buspar is; because I take so damned many drugs, I never know what is what.

The drowsiness you describe does sound like what happened to my MIL her first few weeks on buspar–then she adjusted–but she does take a nap after lunch and sometimes tries to take on after breakfast. Buspar has made a world of difference for her.  Before buspar, she refused to go to any activities–and kept asking ppl to take her home. After a couple weeks on buspar–she turned around. These drugs have so many different effects on different ppl.  When I was in college I took a pharmacology class that was a survey of all drugs, from caffeine to heroin to thorazine.  One of the first things covered was the LD 50 and the ED 50. LD 50 is the lethal dose for 50 ppl out of 100.  That means the lethal dose stated on your insert will kill 50 out of 100 ppl, of the  50 ppl left, some will die at a lower dose and some will not die at the LD 50 level.  I dont like those odds. ED 50 is the effective dose for 50 out of 100 ppl.  So if a dr prescribes a med based on the medical information provided, you only have a 50/50 chance of the drug even being an effective dose for what you are trying to change.  You also have a chance (if you are one of the 50 ppl that the LD 50 doesnt work for) of the drug being either too strong or too weak for the benefit you are after. I find this whole medical crapola to really be one big game of Russian Roulette.  JMAO.    Yes, I have been having a bad time, but it is getting better. Of course, I have taken a fatalist attitude toward my problems. There is nothing I can do about it, so if they shut off my cable, internet, and telephone; oh well. I don’t think they can shut off my electric because it is my heat and a/c, and with my asthma I must have a/c. Of course, many times in the past, I have discovered the hard way that they can do things to me that I thought they couldn’t.

Please contact the power company if you are not already on lifeline service.  If you are not on lifeline service–they can cut you off. Even my kid got lifeline and he is fairly normal.   Also, I thought cable companies were  required to provide a basic economy package for ppl with low incomes?  Maybe it is a california thing–but here it is the law. Nancy in CA All thoughts posted here, unless otherwise cited, are my opinion based on my research and my experience.  Everyone should do their own research and make their own choices based on their situation. Please visit the new fms-guaifenisin support group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.guaifenisin Please visit the new moderated recovery group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info Please visit the new grandparents ng, alt.talk.grandparents. To respond via email, delete "Z" from my addy.

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hi…me again! for what it is worth, i find it interesting that you get sluggish from buspar…when they had me on that stuff i felt like i had water flowing through my ears constantly, and i was always wired…i never slept. i went on xanax and zoloft after that and even though the zoloft made me that way for around a week, i got over it. but buspar never agreed with my system.(made me want to call the phone company to thank them for billing me…ugh.)…bruce

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Buspar 30mg at night (it knocks me on my butt) sounds like you made some progress today. I’m curious about the buspar.  I’ve been watching sci.med.pharmacy for a while because someone asked about whether or not buspar could be prepared in a long acting form.  My MIL in a nursing home from a stroke takes buspar for stroke related anxiety.

That is a good g, eh? Hospitals and nursing homes do not like buspar because it has a short half life and therefore requires more frequent dosing.

Yes…3 times a day. I also understand that is is much less addicting, or tolerance building, I should say, than ativan or valium.

Yes it is. So, I am wondering why you would take a short acting anti-anxiety medication at bedtime?  For sleep alone?  I am still new here and am just getting ppl straight–did I recall you are having a bad time right now? And now I’m wondering–if you take buspar at bedtime–it wears off in the middle of the night–sending you into the depression during the day that you have?  I may be totally off base–but this is a thought that occured to me. And I have been given Lorazepam (ativan) for anxiety and maybe buspar might be a more controllable choice for me.  I have never used up a script–they go out of date on me when the bottle has been half used.

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Hey Ralph you think the Buspar actually works? I was kin a thinking of blowing off refilling mine this month. The freaking prescription is $80 to refill…….anyway. Maybe the therapist will help? Hey its possible. Your not useless you provide a lot of help to us, and personally I like reading your posts. Hopefully your depression will lift soon. ((((((((((((Ralph)))))))))))

Dear Robert,         I don’t know about the buspar, myself. It seems to help me sleep when I have a lot of anxiety. I also seem to forget to take it, a lot. I never forget to take my Prozac. Boy, am I grateful that my Medicare HMO has a RX plan. Without it, my meds would be over $700.00 per month. I think what I am trying to say is that Buspar helps when I am really agitated/anxious and can’t sleep; but I question the usefulness of it day in and day out.         Thank you for your kind words. Yes, you are right, I am not totally useless. But lets just say that my usefulness is severely impaired by this damned condition. When I realize that I haven’t had the ability to so much as keep my apartment clean for over 3 years now; to do the simple things that most people take for granted…. but hey, I am sure that I am not alone in this.         Hope you are having a great day.  Hugs back to you Robert, Ralph

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Buspar 30mg at night (it knocks me on my butt)

Hi Ralph– sounds like you made some progress today. I’m curious about the buspar.  I’ve been watching sci.med.pharmacy for a while because someone asked about whether or not buspar could be prepared in a long acting form.  My MIL in a nursing home from a stroke takes buspar for stroke related anxiety. Hospitals and nursing homes do not like buspar because it has a short half life and therefore requires more frequent dosing. I also understand that is is much less addicting, or tolerance building, I should say, than ativan or valium. So, I am wondering why you would take a short acting anti-anxiety medication at bedtime?  For sleep alone?  I am still new here and am just getting ppl straight–did I recall you are having a bad time right now?  And now I’m wondering–if you take buspar at bedtime–it wears off in the middle of the night–sending you into the depression during the day that you have?  I may be totally off base–but this is a thought that occured to me. And I have been given Lorazepam (ativan) for anxiety and maybe buspar might be a more controllable choice for me.  I have never used up a script–they go out of date on me when the bottle has been half used. May your good days be many and your bad days fade away, Nancy To respond via email, delete "nospam" from my addy. Please visit the new moderated recovery group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info Also, check out the guafenisin group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.guaifenesin Please visit the new grandparents group, alt.talk.grandparents.

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I wasn’t aware that Buspar was so short acting. I take 30 mg at bedtime, it used to be 15mg am and pm, but the am dose was definitely making me sluggish. Of course, it could have been the paxil that was knocking me out. I have no idea how effective the Buspar is; because I take so damned many drugs, I never know what is what.         Yes, I have been having a bad time, but it is getting better. Of course, I have taken a fatalist attitude toward my problems. There is nothing I can do about it, so if they shut off my cable, internet, and telephone; oh well. I don’t think they can shut off my electric because it is my heat and a/c, and with my asthma I must have a/c. Of course, many times in the past, I have discovered the hard way that they can do things to me that I thought they couldn’t.         I have "faith" that somehow I will get bailed out of this mess; but if not, there is nothing I can do. Oh well, no sense me working myself up. Hope you are having a good day,  Ralph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Buspar 30mg at night (it knocks me on my butt) Hi Ralph– sounds like you made some progress today. I’m curious about the buspar.  I’ve been watching sci.med.pharmacy for a while because someone asked about whether or not buspar could be prepared in a long acting form.  My MIL in a nursing home from a stroke takes buspar for stroke related anxiety. Hospitals and nursing homes do not like buspar because it has a short half life and therefore requires more frequent dosing. I also understand that is is much less addicting, or tolerance building, I should say, than ativan or valium. So, I am wondering why you would take a short acting anti-anxiety medication at bedtime?  For sleep alone?  I am still new here and am just getting ppl straight–did I recall you are having a bad time right now?  And now I’m wondering–if you take buspar at bedtime–it wears off in the middle of the night–sending you into the depression during the day that you have?  I may be totally off base–but this is a thought that occured to me. And I have been given Lorazepam (ativan) for anxiety and maybe buspar might be a more controllable choice for me.  I have never used up a script–they go out of date on me when the bottle has been half used. May your good days be many and your bad days fade away, Nancy To respond via email, delete "nospam" from my addy. Please visit the new moderated recovery group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info Also, check out the guafenisin group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.guaifenesin Please visit the new grandparents group, alt.talk.grandparents.

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Saw my PDoc today. He isn’t happy about my depressions. He uped my Prozac to 30mg for 7 days then 40mg Still 400 neurontin 4X a day Welbutrin 300mg AM 150mg PM Buspar 30mg at night (it knocks me on my butt) I am also going to get a therapist for the purpose of learning how to deal with my life. Hopefully I will learn some tricks to doing simple things like the laundry, cleaning the house, remembering to take my meds, and surviving being dirt poor and useless. <grin I don’t want to do any of this visualization crap, or how do you feel about how you feel about how you feel about. I want this is what you do, this is how you do it, and maybe you will actually have clean clothes, clean dishes, and dinner on the table. Hugs, Ralph

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So how do you FEEL about this? hahahaha love, Amy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saw my PDoc today. He isn’t happy about my depressions. He uped my Prozac to 30mg for 7 days then 40mg Still 400 neurontin 4X a day Welbutrin 300mg AM 150mg PM Buspar 30mg at night (it knocks me on my butt) I am also going to get a therapist for the purpose of learning how to deal with my life. Hopefully I will learn some tricks to doing simple things like the laundry, cleaning the house, remembering to take my meds, and surviving being dirt poor and useless. <grin I don’t want to do any of this visualization crap, or how do you feel about how you feel about how you feel about. I want this is what you do, this is how you do it, and maybe you will actually have clean clothes, clean dishes, and dinner on the table. Hugs, Ralph

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How do I feel? With my hands! How do you feel? <tease Hugs from the serial hugger,  ralph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So how do you FEEL about this? hahahaha love, Amy Saw my PDoc today. He isn’t happy about my depressions. He uped my Prozac to 30mg for 7 days then 40mg Still 400 neurontin 4X a day Welbutrin 300mg AM 150mg PM Buspar 30mg at night (it knocks me on my butt) I am also going to get a therapist for the purpose of learning how to deal with my life. Hopefully I will learn some tricks to doing simple things like the laundry, cleaning the house, remembering to take my meds, and surviving being dirt poor and useless. <grin I don’t want to do any of this visualization crap, or how do you feel about how you feel about how you feel about. I want this is what you do, this is how you do it, and maybe you will actually have clean clothes, clean dishes, and dinner on the table. Hugs, Ralph

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You got a deal. Now, just how do we get you here? Tie me down? Hmmmm, whatever do you have in mind? <tease Hugs from the serial hugger, ralph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wish I lived close by, Ralph.  I’d drop by, do your laundry, clean your house, organize your meds.  Then I’d tie you down and relay 3 or so decades of my life, viola!!–you have thus served a function–eliminate useless.  Dirt poor?  Sorry, sport, miracles belong to the manic and she ain’t here today. Houston Saw my PDoc today. He isn’t happy about my depressions. He uped my Prozac to 30mg for 7 days then 40mg Still 400 neurontin 4X a day Welbutrin 300mg AM 150mg PM Buspar 30mg at night (it knocks me on my butt) I am also going to get a therapist for the purpose of learning how to deal with my life. Hopefully I will learn some tricks to doing simple things like the laundry, cleaning the house, remembering to take my meds, and surviving being dirt poor and useless. <grin I don’t want to do any of this visualization crap, or how do you feel about how you feel about how you feel about. I want this is what you do, this is how you do it, and maybe you will actually have clean clothes, clean dishes, and dinner on the table. Hugs, Ralph

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony. Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian Gosh! i really should get out more )

Ian, I think we should ALL get out more. Karen

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Welcome to ASAP Robb. You will find a lot of supportive  and experienced people here to help you through this. Hello All,    My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash.

This may have been a panic attack, as they can cause all of the symptoms listed above. The feelings can certainly be overwhelming.    From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack.    I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along.

You may want to see a psychiatrist specializing in anxiety disorders, being you are already on medication. How long have you been taking Xanax and Zoloft, and what doses? The grogginess may soon wear off, your body needs to adjust to the med. It does sound like Xanax is already helping, give both meds some time to work fully.  I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being.    Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

Most of us feel the way you do, we don’t like taking meds. But given the choice between PA’s and taking the meds, it’s an easy choice. You certainly aren’t going crazy, although panic can make it seem that way. Let us know how you progress. Ray Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it – even if I have said it – unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony. Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian

Curses – I am undone — Jon Guite When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return address

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I am also a new member. For years ,,I felt very stressed and anxious but no name/diagnosis was really given. Then I married….a wonderful man and we had 2 childred. While in my 30’s he died suddenly (he was same age) of a heart attack. A month to the day later my Mother died suddenly. Two weeks after that,,,my son almost lost his eye,,and had permanent damage as well as severe bleeding from incident. i  had started a new job (was not working prior) A year later I had a major car accident. A few years later I wound up in the hospital for a month with severe asthma and major meds. The doctor (pulmonary specialist) felt that the asthma was worsened from "stuffed symptons" so to speak. He put me on an antidepressant. Then I went off that. A few years later my heart started to race and I felt nervous. The MD prescribed Verapamil which helped a bit. Now,,,,I have a stressful job,,(one I am not fond of anymore. I seem to start worrying over things and can’t stop. Kind of obsessing. I went to Dr and he upped dosage of Verapamil to 240 mg a day,,and gave me a prescription for Lorazepam….1//2 to 1 mg daily  "as needed" I feel good but sometimes drowsy. I need to concentrate on my job. I have an HMO and right now a psychiatrist is not an option. My son is 23,,,and believe he has OCD. BUt he refuses to take medication. SO SORRY for this long post. I don’t have panic per se,,,thank GOd I can go places without panicking,,but have this anxiety a lot but not all the time. i had gone to a pychologist before (with other insurance) In the past several doctors advised me that I had to learn to cope with my stress and of course having gone thru what I did it was normal. I don’t know why I was not diagosed before. I am now 50 and feel that I felt anxious for years when I need not have been. I can’t change the past,,,but am wondering if Lorazepam helps,,should I keep taking it? Worried about long lasting problems. Thanks again,,I guess I must have gen anxiety disorder though dr did not give it a name. Can this be worsened by the events I went thru and why 13 years later,,,are things getting worse? Thanks for listening,,,and again sorry for this long post which I hope you can make sense out of. Best to all  Linda

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony. Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian

ROFL!! Hi Ian! Hope you are doing well! Steph

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snipped Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian ROFL!! Hi Ian! Hope you are doing well! Steph

Yep, I’m doing okay,  thanks for asking.  :-) Ian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am also a new member. For years ,,I felt very stressed and anxious but no name/diagnosis was really given. Then I married….a wonderful man and we had 2 childred. While in my 30’s he died suddenly (he was same age) of a heart attack. A month to the day later my Mother died suddenly. Two weeks after that,,,my son almost lost his eye,,and had permanent damage as well as severe bleeding from incident. i  had started a new job (was not working prior) A year later I had a major car accident. A few years later I wound up in the hospital for a month with severe asthma and major meds. The doctor (pulmonary specialist) felt that the asthma was worsened from "stuffed symptons" so to speak. He put me on an antidepressant. Then I went off that. A few years later my heart started to race and I felt nervous. The MD prescribed Verapamil which helped a bit. Now,,,,I have a stressful job,,(one I am not fond of anymore. I seem to start worrying over things and can’t stop. Kind of obsessing. I went to Dr and he upped dosage of Verapamil to 240 mg a day,,and gave me a prescription for Lorazepam….1//2 to 1 mg daily  "as needed" I feel good but sometimes drowsy. I need to concentrate on my job. I have an HMO and right now a psychiatrist is not an option. My son is 23,,,and believe he has OCD. BUt he refuses to take medication. SO SORRY for this long post. I don’t have panic per se,,,thank GOd I can go places without panicking,,but have this anxiety a lot but not all the time. i had gone to a pychologist before (with other insurance) In the past several doctors advised me that I had to learn to cope with my stress and of course having gone thru what I did it was normal. I don’t know why I was not diagosed before. I am now 50 and feel that I felt anxious for years when I need not have been. I can’t change the past,,,but am wondering if Lorazepam helps,,should I keep taking it? Worried about long lasting problems. Thanks again,,I guess I must have gen anxiety disorder though dr did not give it a name. Can this be worsened by the events I went thru and why 13 years later,,,are things getting worse? Thanks for listening,,,and again sorry for this long post which I hope you can make sense out of. Best to all  Linda

Hi Linda and welcome to ASAP! You’ve been through a lot – too much really and I’m sorry about that. An anxiety disorder can manifest itself any time although the risk gets smaller with age after a certain age. But then it seems you’ve been doping with anxiety for years now and yes, there may come a time when taking meds is sensible and that time may well be now. I think you may suffer from GAD with OCD-overtones but nobody – let alone non-professionals like us here – can diagnose someone else over the net. Wouldn’t it be possible to see a psychiatrist specialized in anxiety disorders in a program with gliding scales or something like that? I feel it’s important to be properly diagnosed and then get prescribed the relevant med(s). In the meatime I wonder why you’re taking *Verapramil* fopr anxiety for which it is, as a calcium blocker used for hypertension and certain cardiac problems, not a first choice med at all. A benzo like lorazepam may work. If it doesn’t you might want to try Xanax (alprazolam). You will bezome dependent on benzos when taking them for a longer period but this just means that if and when you decide to stop taking them you’ll have to do a slow taper in order to avoid withdrawal symptoms. Benzos have been life-savers for many GAD and PD-sufferer. I think the proof is in the pudding. *If it works, it works*. NBut you should see to it that you’re not undermedicated. 1/2 to 1 mgs of lorazepam may be fine to take *as needed* but if you’re experience anxiety all the time you might be better off on a regular dose and as lorazepam (the same goes for Xanax) is a short acting benzo you would need to take it three times a day or so. I hope it will help you, you are entitled to some peace of mind…. Philip

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Hello All,     My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash.     From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack.     I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being.     Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

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Hi Robb,

Welcome to ASAP.  You have come to a place where you will meet, so to speak, people who are dealing with the same issues as you.  Please feel free to post as often as you feel the need.  There are quite a few well informed people in this NG that are a great help and inspiration to all of us.  Once again, welcome..smile. Mary Kay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello All,    My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash.    From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack.    I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being.    Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

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The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along.

Robb, You didn’t mention if your doctor said anything, so I’ll just add that the Zoloft will take several weeks to have any effect.   If it’s a psychologist you’re seeing, but not a psychiatrist, the psychologist will not be able to prescribe drugs but if s/he has experience in panic/anxiety s/he will be aware of what drugs are out there and how they are used and to what effect.  In the meantime, don’t give up on the drugs simply because you are anti-drug.  (Like another poster said, you wouldn’t refuse insulin if you were diabetic would you?)  Give the Zoloft time to have an effect.  Best of luck.

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I get the psychiatrist / psychologist thing messed up all the time. I meant psychiatrist. And I’ve done tons of research through the web about the Zoloft and realize it can take up to 6 weeks to have any effect. Sorry about being dense – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You didn’t mention if your doctor said anything, so I’ll just add that the Zoloft will take several weeks to have any effect. If it’s a psychologist you’re seeing, but not a psychiatrist, the psychologist will not be able to prescribe drugs but if s/he has experience in panic/anxiety s/he will be aware of what drugs are out there and how they are used and to what effect.  In the meantime, don’t give up on the drugs simply because you are anti-drug.  (Like another poster said, you wouldn’t refuse insulin if you were diabetic would you?)  Give the Zoloft time to have an effect.  Best of luck.

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Hello All,    My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder.

<snip . My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality.

<snip Sounds like you had a derealization episoide too …. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack.    I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being.    Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

Welcome to anx/pan Robb! give the Zolfot a chance , it can take a while to take effect, so hang in there. And yes your right you are not going crazy!. Please let us know how you get on with the meds, i’m sure you wi ll be feeling some relief before long ) Rony. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All,    My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. <snip . My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. <snip Sounds like you had a derealization episoide too ….    From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack.    I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being.    Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb Welcome to anx/pan Robb!

Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP give the Zolfot a chance , i

t can take a while to take effect, so hang in there. And yes your right you are not going crazy!. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please let us know how you get on with the meds, i’m sure you wi ll be feeling some relief before long ) Rony.

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Hi Rob, welcome to ASAP, Your story isn’t all that uncommon, nor is the fact that you are a computer geek  We seem to have a disproportionately high number of comp wizards here (probably some so far undocumented Microsoft bug IMO). And most of us were the bedrock that others clung to in times of crisis. It can be a really weird disorder that way, hitting you where you thought you were strongest!!!!  Go figure!!!   Good luck Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash.    From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack.    I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being.    Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

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snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony.

Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony. Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian

Gosh! i really should get out more )

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