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I also brush my teeth after taking my flovent – I have yet to get Thrush Tim Washington State

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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Because it’s on the insurance company’s list and Flovent isn’t?  More trouble to get you authorized for Flovent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I f Flovent works better, then why would my doctor want me to switch to Pulmicort? : Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky : : -J : : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." :    General Colin Powell : :

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Because it’s on the insurance company’s list and Flovent isn’t?  More trouble to get you authorized for Flovent.

It is debatable which is better. Pulmicort has less systemic exposure due to rapid metabolism in the liver. Also the delivery device eliminates the need for a spacer. Personally, I use Flovent more because I think my patients are more used to the MDI and I try to get them to use the spacer for the other MDI’s as well. There doesn’t have to be an insidious reason for the recommendation to switch. If it is due to formulary reasons I think the doctor should be excused for not fighting a switch to a drug that is as good, if not better. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

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yes, that works, but does it work with Pulmicort?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use?

Typically, no.  However if your asthma changes then they may no longer be adequate. Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good?

I stopped using Azmacort a long time ago.  I have been on Pulmicort for about a year now and have had great success. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use? Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good? -Daniel Before you buy.

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Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med?

By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. -J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. When I was on Pulmicort I knew that I was receiving med. because I had

thrush. think about it.  Pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. When I was on Pulmicort I knew that I was receiving med. because I had thrush. think about it.  Pam "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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: yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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: Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky : : -J

: : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." :    General Colin Powell : :

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I f Flovent works better, then why would my doctor want me to switch to Pulmicort?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky : : -J : : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." :    General Colin Powell : :

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Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it.  With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine.  How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use? Typically, no.  However if your asthma changes then they may no longer be adequate. Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good? I stopped using Azmacort a long time ago.  I have been on Pulmicort for about a year now and have had great success. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday.  After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist.  He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam.  He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me.  He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study.  This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with.  One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep.  Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse.  Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems.  Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor.  I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility.  If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy.  The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th.  Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first.  Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong.  I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - impala4sp…@hotmail.com (Denny) wrote:

Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday.  After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist.  He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam.  He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me.  He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study.  This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with.  One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep.  Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse.  Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems.  Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor.  I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility.  If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy.  The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th.  Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first.  Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong.  I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny

The problem, Denny, is that they convince you it’s just a couple more months every couple more months, until you’ve realized you’ve had 4 tests, 8 docs, 3 psychiatrists to top it off, and a pulmonary specialist who’s never read a single bit of research on Xyrem telling your psychiatrist (who knows better and tells you he just doesn’t want to conflict with his hospital collegue) not to treat you with something that is very likely to turn your life around. People who are tired have a life long condition, low patient outcomes by docs and patients alike, this leads patients being convinced they’re being helped by simply repeating the same tests, or getting a new diagnosis that meant the same thing as the one that replaced it 15   years ago. Treating you and validating your need for treatment are separate parts, and while I understand you need to wean off Effexor, your doc hasn’t told you you’ll need to wait a few weeks after that to have a PSG, wait 3 weeks for that to be analyzed, another appt. with your doc to follow-up on it (where all he does is order a titration study he could’ve done over the phone) and another few weeks to book that and then 7 weeks for you to E-Mail the doc to ask why you haven’t received your report or prescription yet, a lie that an E-Mail went out much earlier, and a week for the CPAP to be installed, then a few weeks for the correct mask to come replace the nasal mask, then several weeks to notice if the CPAP alone will do a darn thing. I’m at this last point, and crossing my fingers after a year of this nonsense.

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Hi Denny- I’m sorry the other poster is having such a terrible time- but it certainly isn’t the usual. (Unfortunately it’s not rare either.) But to give you another experience, I went from my first call for an appointment to having my CPAP in about 2 months. (I know that’s exceptional in the opposite way.) Actually, since you need two weeks to get off the Effexor, you’re moving along in the process pretty quickly. It does seem that this guy is more knowledgeable and taking into account a much wider range of issues. Sleep docs have very specialized knowledge that others just don’t. Especially ENTs who SEEM like they would because they know about that part of the body and therefore people take their advice when they really don’t know SLEEP issues that stem from that part of the body. A perfect example of "A little knowledge can be dangerous". So anyway- enough preaching. Hope the rest goes as quickly as the beginning. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ganishe wrote:

In article <528dc7b4.0311131829.3ef62…@posting.google.com,  impala4sp…@hotmail.com (Denny) wrote: Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday.  After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist.  He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam.  He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me.  He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study.  This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with.  One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse.  Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems.  Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor.  I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility.  If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy.  The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th.  Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first.  Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong.  I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny The problem, Denny, is that they convince you it’s just a couple more months every couple more months, until you’ve realized you’ve had 4 tests, 8 docs, 3 psychiatrists to top it off, and a pulmonary specialist who’s never read a single bit of research on Xyrem telling your psychiatrist (who knows better and tells you he just doesn’t want to conflict with his hospital collegue) not to treat you with something that is very likely to turn your life around. People who are tired have a life long condition, low patient outcomes by docs and patients alike, this leads patients being convinced they’re being helped by simply repeating the same tests, or getting a new diagnosis that meant the same thing as the one that replaced it 15   years ago. Treating you and validating your need for treatment are separate parts, and while I understand you need to wean off Effexor, your doc hasn’t told you you’ll need to wait a few weeks after that to have a PSG, wait 3 weeks for that to be analyzed, another appt. with your doc to follow-up on it (where all he does is order a titration study he could’ve done over the phone) and another few weeks to book that and then 7 weeks for you to E-Mail the doc to ask why you haven’t received your report or prescription yet, a lie that an E-Mail went out much earlier, and a week for the CPAP to be installed, then a few weeks for the correct mask to come replace the nasal mask, then several weeks to notice if the CPAP alone will do a darn thing. I’m at this last point, and crossing my fingers after a year of this nonsense.

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normally works with.  One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep.  Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse.  Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems.  Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor.  I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test.

it’s great that your doc is concerned about REM/deep sleep issues…….so many times here we hear of people’s results saying "no stage 3+4 sleep" yet the doctors completely ignore it.  Problem is our bodies really need the restorative stages of sleep…..that’s when the majority of our body’s healing is done Be sure to let us know how it goes — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday.  After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist.  He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam.  He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me.  He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study.  This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with.  One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse.  Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems.  Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor.  I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test.

If you read the clinical information on venlafaxine (Effexor), the two week period has to do also with trying to avoid withdrawal symptoms.

I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility.  If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy.  The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th.  Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first.  Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong.  I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny

It’s also worth noting that poor sleep as a result of OSA can have a significant negative impact in general on metabolism, can result in irritability and general outlook on things.   So, if your sleep problems can be improved or resolved, it could be a benefit all round for you.    Definitely this exercise is worth doing…… .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

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wrote in message <news:bp2u6d$1k9pg9$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… normally works with.  One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep.  Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse.  Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems.  Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor.  I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. it’s great that your doc is concerned about REM/deep sleep issues…….so many times here we hear of people’s results saying "no stage 3+4 sleep" yet the doctors completely ignore it.  Problem is our bodies really need the restorative stages of sleep…..that’s when the majority of our body’s healing is done Be sure to let us know how it goes — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

Thanks everyone.  I appreciate the responses and concerns. Denny

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Hithere… for anyone who cares to know.  I am doing remarkably well on day 2 at 25% of my regular 50 mg Zoloft dosage.  I will remain at this dosage until after my menses have passed as PMS can be hellish. Happy as a Clam… PW

Hello.  I have dealt with anxiety and secondary depression for about 15 years.  I have been misdiagnosed more times than I have fingers.  I am under the impression that diagnoses are merely a way for the

psychology/psychiatry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – industry to allocate medication.  It has nothing to do with management.  I have been on Prozac, Melaril, Paxil, Zoloft, Depakote, Risperdal and Xanax. Of all of them I found Zoloft to be the most helpful.  Unfortunately, one of the side effects is weight gain.  I have been on it, 2nd time around, for about a year and a half.  I have learned of a new pseudo-natural supplement called L5 Hydroxytryptophan (5HTP).  It’s a lot like Tryptophan in that it helps the body produce serotonin and melatonin.  I lost my job about 6 months ago, as I go through them like kleenex tissues, and, subsequently lost my health insurance.  I cannot afford to see my psychiatrist anymore. I have always been inclined toward natural healing techniques and really wanted to come off the Zoloft.  I also wanted to lose the 30 pounds I gained in the last 9 months.  I tried to come off it and I started feeling edgy on day 3.  On day 4 I was as maniacal as I was at my absolute worst.  I did some research to learn that there are indeed significant withdrawal symptoms associated with SSRIs not excluding permanent neurological damage and death.  Of all 20 or so doctors I have seen in the last 15 years nobody ever mentioned this!  I was appalled.  Had I known this I may have looked deeper into alternatives.  It’s like coming off heroin!  I am on my 6th week of tapering off.  I have had to cut my 40 hour week (at my new job w/o insurance) to 20.  Fortunately I have a job where this is possible.  I am consulting with a nutritionist on my diet and 5HTP.  She has personal experience with the same type of disorder manifestation as myself except she was on Prozac prior to using 5HTP. What I would like to know is if anyone reading this has any experience coming off SSRIs and/or using 5HTP.  I am using kava kava to help keep me calm during the day while lowering my dosage.  I use a subligual form of melatonin at night to help me stay asleep, as I have a tendancy to wake up every hour.  It’s working so far.  I am down by 50% of my 50 mg dosage. To women out there:  I do not recommend adjusting your dosage during PMS. Most of us have it worst during this time.  I adjust my dosage about a week into my cycle – when I am at my best.  I have had the best results this way. Also, it takes me about a week to adjust to the lowered dosage.  I have been working with this for nearly 2 months now.  I found that using 5HTP with the SSRI is not good.  I was flooded with serotonin and nuts as ever. I’d love to hear other ppls’ experience coming off SSRIs and the use of natural "supplements".  Thanks! Ms. PW

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I suppose you know that kava is not recommended for use with any other psychoactive drug.  Kava is known to potentiate (increase) the effects of other drugs e,g,, benzodiazepenes, alcohol and barbituates.  I  haven’t seen anything specific to SSRIs or other drugs that affect serotonin, just educated speculation that kava could have a negative impact on serotonin utilization.  Another poster related a problem with anxiety rebound when taking kava, a report I’ve never seen before; I wonder if he/she was taking another drug at the time. From your last post, though, the combination seems to be working for you. I’d suggest, though, that you keep a close watch on your reactions and discontinue the kava as appropriate.  I’d be interested in hearing how it goes for you. I gather that your intent is to withdraw from Zoloft and start on 5-HTP. May I suggest that you hold off on the 5-HTP and just stay on kava for awhile?  If you have anxiety-driven depression, you may not need anything else, or perhaps something milder like an omega-3 supplement (skip St. John’s Wort – it eats kava as well as birth control pills, HIV medication, etc.)  Anyway, take the time to evaluate yourself before you take on the possible risks associated with 5-HTP.  (Actually, I’m considering taking 5-HTP in lieu of melatonin – still researching the issue of combining it with kava) One other note about kava:  researchers may have found the reason why some users have suffered liver damage.  It seems that some herbal manufacturers have been making their kava extracts from "peelings", the bark of the aboveground stems of the plant; which contain pipemethystine, a substance proved to be toxic to liver cultures.  Peelings are a by-product of kava use in the South Pacific and are normally discarded as waste material; in 1998, though, 82% of the kava imported into the U.S. consisted of dried peelings. It would be reasonable for all kava users to research the product they use and determine whether any of the above ground portions of the plant (peelings, stem or leaves) are used; if so, change to another brand that only uses the underground portions (lateral roots and rootstalk).  You don’t need hepititis or cirrohsis on top of your other problems. You may also end up with a more effective kava :}. Cheers, Figaro

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I am reevaluating my need for 5-htp at all.  Kava does seem to be working for me.  I actually only need it on days 1-3 (about) after downgrading my Zoloft dose.  After that, I seem to level out naturally, except for the use of sublingual melatonin.  I think that working only 20 hours a week really halps too, though I can’t do this forever. I have forwarded your message to my nutritionist.  I am particularly interested in what she has to say about the peelings.  The brand of kava I use is Gaia Herbs.  I’ve used other supplements they manufacture with positive results. I have heard of the anxiety rebound effect of kava though, as of yet, it’s not happened to me.  It may be because I don’t use it all the time, only while transitioning to a lower dose ssri. My most annoying withdrawal symptoms now is nausea.  It only lasts for a couple of days and it’s mild, but it makes eating difficult.  The other side of that is that I eat less.  Since I gained 30 pounds on Zoloft, I’m not complaining too loudly.  I anticipate it stopping after I come off the ssri completely. I have lost 10 of the 30 pounds in the last 6 weeks.  Every time I downgrade my dose I lose 3 pounds in the first 36 hours!  Woo-Hoo! PW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose you know that kava is not recommended for use with any other psychoactive drug.  Kava is known to potentiate (increase) the effects of other drugs e,g,, benzodiazepenes, alcohol and barbituates.  I  haven’t seen anything specific to SSRIs or other drugs that affect serotonin, just educated speculation that kava could have a negative impact on serotonin utilization.  Another poster related a problem with anxiety rebound when taking kava, a report I’ve never seen before; I wonder if he/she was taking another drug at the time. From your last post, though, the combination seems to be working for you. I’d suggest, though, that you keep a close watch on your reactions and discontinue the kava as appropriate.  I’d be interested in hearing how it goes for you. I gather that your intent is to withdraw from Zoloft and start on 5-HTP. May I suggest that you hold off on the 5-HTP and just stay on kava for awhile?  If you have anxiety-driven depression, you may not need anything else, or perhaps something milder like an omega-3 supplement (skip St. John’s Wort – it eats kava as well as birth control pills, HIV medication, etc.)  Anyway, take the time to evaluate yourself before you take on the possible risks associated with 5-HTP.  (Actually, I’m considering taking 5-HTP in lieu of melatonin – still researching the issue of combining it with kava) One other note about kava:  researchers may have found the reason why some users have suffered liver damage.  It seems that some herbal manufacturers have been making their kava extracts from "peelings", the bark of the aboveground stems of the plant; which contain pipemethystine, a substance proved to be toxic to liver cultures.  Peelings are a by-product of kava use in the South Pacific and are normally discarded as waste material; in 1998, though, 82% of the kava imported into the U.S. consisted of dried peelings. It would be reasonable for all kava users to research the product they use and determine whether any of the above ground portions of the plant (peelings, stem or leaves) are used; if so, change to another brand that only uses the underground portions (lateral roots and rootstalk).  You don’t need hepititis or cirrohsis on top of your other problems. You may also end up with a more effective kava :}. Cheers, Figaro

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 Another poster related a problem with anxiety rebound when taking kava, a report I’ve never seen before; I wonder if he/she was taking another drug at the time.

That was me.  The only other drug I was on was alcohol… and lot’s of it.  I was self medicating for about 25 years. Over 15 months sober, one day at a time. Tono

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Another poster related a problem with anxiety rebound when taking kava, a report I’ve never seen before; I wonder if he/she was taking another drug at the time. That was me.  The only other drug I was on was alcohol… and lot’s of it.  I was self medicating for about 25 years. Over 15 months sober, one day at a time. Tono

Thanks for posting the info, Tono.  I just try to collect info on kava whereever it may be!

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LM, Thank you for your information.  I am working with a nutritionist who has an MS.  She has informaed me that the blood levels of 5HTP are a concern only for those very few with serious metabolic issues.  I am quite healthy in that regard.  She assures me that in her years of working with the CDC she participated in clinical studies on the use of 5htp and tryptophan and found that both amino acids are quite safe in healthy individuals.  She has several patients who are taking up to 250 mg of 5htp daily and have for a year or better with no problems at all.  In my opinion, the ssris are a much greater risk for me personally since there are no clinical studies on the effect ssris in ppl taking them over one year.  The side effects of ssris have been devastating for me.  For those with metabolic issues it should not be taken lightly though.  Thank you.  I will keep the group informed on my progress. PW

Hello.  I have dealt with anxiety and secondary depression for about 15 years.  I have been misdiagnosed more times than I have fingers.  I am under the impression that diagnoses are merely a way for the

psychology/psychiatry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – industry to allocate medication.  It has nothing to do with management. I have been on Prozac, Melaril, Paxil, Zoloft, Depakote, Risperdal and Xanax. Of all of them I found Zoloft to be the most helpful.  Unfortunately, one of the side effects is weight gain.  I have been on it, 2nd time around, for about a year and a half.  I have learned of a new pseudo-natural supplement called L5 Hydroxytryptophan (5HTP).  It’s a lot like Tryptophan in that it helps the body produce serotonin and melatonin.  I lost my job about 6 months ago, as I go through them like kleenex tissues, and, subsequently lost my health insurance.  I cannot afford to see my psychiatrist anymore. I have always been inclined toward natural healing techniques and really wanted to come off the Zoloft.  I also wanted to lose the 30 pounds I gained in the last 9 months.  I tried to come off it and I started feeling edgy on day 3.  On day 4 I was as maniacal as I was at my absolute worst.  I did some research to learn that there are indeed significant withdrawal symptoms associated with SSRIs not excluding permanent neurological damage and death.  Of all 20 or so doctors I have seen in the last 15 years nobody ever mentioned this!  I was appalled.  Had I known this I may have looked deeper into alternatives.  It’s like coming off heroin!  I am on my 6th week of tapering off.  I have had to cut my 40 hour week (at my new job w/o insurance) to 20.  Fortunately I have a job where this is possible.  I am consulting with a nutritionist on my diet and 5HTP.  She has personal experience with the same type of disorder manifestation as myself except she was on Prozac prior to using 5HTP. What I would like to know is if anyone reading this has any experience coming off SSRIs and/or using 5HTP.  I am using kava kava to help keep me calm during the day while lowering my dosage.  I use a subligual form of melatonin at night to help me stay asleep, as I have a tendancy to wake up every hour.  It’s working so far.  I am down by 50% of my 50 mg dosage. To women out there:  I do not recommend adjusting your dosage during PMS. Most of us have it worst during this time.  I adjust my dosage about a week into my cycle – when I am at my best.  I have had the best results this way. Also, it takes me about a week to adjust to the lowered dosage.  I have been working with this for nearly 2 months now.  I found that using 5HTP with the SSRI is not good.  I was flooded with serotonin and nuts as ever. I’d love to hear other ppls’ experience coming off SSRIs and the use of natural "supplements".  Thanks! Ms. PW please do not take 5ht without discussing it thoroughly with a doctor-it can cause elevated serum levels of serotonin which does not pass the blood brain barrier but can destroy the valves of your heart-tryptophan as a supplement will not do this because the metabolic process of converting tryptophan buffers the larger flooding of blood levels if you truly believe this supplement is working  for you a urinary 5HIAA test should be done every month or so to see if your blood level of serotonin isn’t too high-if you have any coronary artery disease using this supplement is dangerous there is a whole complex interplay between B vitamins and serotonin as well as its percursors like 5ht -natural supplements are often drugs or co-drugs in a sense so please don’t be over-comfortable by their "natural" label-there are cancerous tumors that secrete gobs of 5ht and that is natural too-for the tumors. Just be careful please LM

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Thanks, Tono.  Actually the kava kava really does help me.  The thing I like to keep in mind is that everyone is different.  That’s why I have a hard time beleiving in diagnoses – there are too many variations.  I’ll keep your suggestion in mind.  But for now it’s the only thing that DOES help.

Well, I’m glad it’s helping.  Just be sure not to over do it.  As far as the diagnosis, I know what you mean.  My Dr. never gave me an actual diagnosis, or I would have 10 or 20 of them!  He only tries to work with all my various symptoms. And like Margrove said, BE CAREFULL! Tono – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  PW What I would like to know is if anyone reading this has any experience coming off SSRIs and/or using 5HTP.  I am using kava kava to help keep me calm during the day while lowering my dosage. Kava always gave me an awful rebound effect of anxiety.  It worsened each day and I needed more and more of it.  It’s one of the worst "natural" remedies I’ve tried.  Remember, natural doesn’t mean it’s good or safe.  I’d never drink crude oil. Tono

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Hello.  I have dealt with anxiety and secondary depression for about 15 years.  I have been misdiagnosed more times than I have fingers.  I am under the impression that diagnoses are merely a way for the psychology/psychiatry industry to allocate medication.  It has nothing to do with management.  I have been on Prozac, Melaril, Paxil, Zoloft, Depakote, Risperdal and Xanax. Of all of them I found Zoloft to be the most helpful.  Unfortunately, one of the side effects is weight gain.  I have been on it, 2nd time around, for about a year and a half.  I have learned of a new pseudo-natural supplement called L5 Hydroxytryptophan (5HTP).  It’s a lot like Tryptophan in that it helps the body produce serotonin and melatonin.  I lost my job about 6 months ago, as I go through them like kleenex tissues, and, subsequently lost my health insurance.  I cannot afford to see my psychiatrist anymore. I have always been inclined toward natural healing techniques and really wanted to come off the Zoloft.  I also wanted to lose the 30 pounds I gained in the last 9 months.  I tried to come off it and I started feeling edgy on day 3.  On day 4 I was as maniacal as I was at my absolute worst.  I did some research to learn that there are indeed significant withdrawal symptoms associated with SSRIs not excluding permanent neurological damage and death.  Of all 20 or so doctors I have seen in the last 15 years nobody ever mentioned this!  I was appalled.  Had I known this I may have looked deeper into alternatives.  It’s like coming off heroin!  I am on my 6th week of tapering off.  I have had to cut my 40 hour week (at my new job w/o insurance) to 20.  Fortunately I have a job where this is possible.  I am consulting with a nutritionist on my diet and 5HTP.  She has personal experience with the same type of disorder manifestation as myself except she was on Prozac prior to using 5HTP. What I would like to know is if anyone reading this has any experience coming off SSRIs and/or using 5HTP.  I am using kava kava to help keep me calm during the day while lowering my dosage.  I use a subligual form of melatonin at night to help me stay asleep, as I have a tendancy to wake up every hour.  It’s working so far.  I am down by 50% of my 50 mg dosage. To women out there:  I do not recommend adjusting your dosage during PMS. Most of us have it worst during this time.  I adjust my dosage about a week into my cycle – when I am at my best.  I have had the best results this way. Also, it takes me about a week to adjust to the lowered dosage.  I have been working with this for nearly 2 months now.  I found that using 5HTP with the SSRI is not good.  I was flooded with serotonin and nuts as ever. I’d love to hear other ppls’ experience coming off SSRIs and the use of natural "supplements".  Thanks! Ms. PW

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What I would like to know is if anyone reading this has any experience coming off SSRIs and/or using 5HTP.  I am using kava kava to help keep me calm during the day while lowering my dosage.

Kava always gave me an awful rebound effect of anxiety.  It worsened each day and I needed more and more of it.  It’s one of the worst "natural" remedies I’ve tried.  Remember, natural doesn’t mean it’s good or safe.  I’d never drink crude oil. Tono

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Thanks, Tono.  Actually the kava kava really does help me.  The thing I like to keep in mind is that everyone is different.  That’s why I have a hard time beleiving in diagnoses – there are too many variations.  I’ll keep your suggestion in mind.  But for now it’s the only thing that DOES help.  PW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What I would like to know is if anyone reading this has any experience coming off SSRIs and/or using 5HTP.  I am using kava kava to help keep me calm during the day while lowering my dosage. Kava always gave me an awful rebound effect of anxiety.  It worsened each day and I needed more and more of it.  It’s one of the worst "natural" remedies I’ve tried.  Remember, natural doesn’t mean it’s good or safe.  I’d never drink crude oil. Tono

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello.  I have dealt with anxiety and secondary depression for about 15 years.  I have been misdiagnosed more times than I have fingers.  I am under the impression that diagnoses are merely a way for the psychology/psychiatry industry to allocate medication.  It has nothing to do with management.  I have been on Prozac, Melaril, Paxil, Zoloft, Depakote, Risperdal and Xanax. Of all of them I found Zoloft to be the most helpful.  Unfortunately, one of the side effects is weight gain.  I have been on it, 2nd time around, for about a year and a half.  I have learned of a new pseudo-natural supplement called L5 Hydroxytryptophan (5HTP).  It’s a lot like Tryptophan in that it helps the body produce serotonin and melatonin.  I lost my job about 6 months ago, as I go through them like kleenex tissues, and, subsequently lost my health insurance.  I cannot afford to see my psychiatrist anymore. I have always been inclined toward natural healing techniques and really wanted to come off the Zoloft.  I also wanted to lose the 30 pounds I gained in the last 9 months.  I tried to come off it and I started feeling edgy on day 3.  On day 4 I was as maniacal as I was at my absolute worst.  I did some research to learn that there are indeed significant withdrawal symptoms associated with SSRIs not excluding permanent neurological damage and death.  Of all 20 or so doctors I have seen in the last 15 years nobody ever mentioned this!  I was appalled.  Had I known this I may have looked deeper into alternatives.  It’s like coming off heroin!  I am on my 6th week of tapering off.  I have had to cut my 40 hour week (at my new job w/o insurance) to 20.  Fortunately I have a job where this is possible.  I am consulting with a nutritionist on my diet and 5HTP.  She has personal experience with the same type of disorder manifestation as myself except she was on Prozac prior to using 5HTP. What I would like to know is if anyone reading this has any experience coming off SSRIs and/or using 5HTP.  I am using kava kava to help keep me calm during the day while lowering my dosage.  I use a subligual form of melatonin at night to help me stay asleep, as I have a tendancy to wake up every hour.  It’s working so far.  I am down by 50% of my 50 mg dosage. To women out there:  I do not recommend adjusting your dosage during PMS. Most of us have it worst during this time.  I adjust my dosage about a week into my cycle – when I am at my best.  I have had the best results this way. Also, it takes me about a week to adjust to the lowered dosage.  I have been working with this for nearly 2 months now.  I found that using 5HTP with the SSRI is not good.  I was flooded with serotonin and nuts as ever. I’d love to hear other ppls’ experience coming off SSRIs and the use of natural "supplements".  Thanks! Ms. PW

please do not take 5ht without discussing it thoroughly with a doctor-it can cause elevated serum levels of serotonin which does not pass the blood brain barrier but can destroy the valves of your heart-tryptophan as a supplement will not do this because the metabolic process of converting tryptophan buffers the larger flooding of blood levels if you truly believe this supplement is working  for you a urinary 5HIAA test should be done every month or so to see if your blood level of serotonin isn’t too high-if you have any coronary artery disease using this supplement is dangerous there is a whole complex interplay between B vitamins and serotonin as well as its percursors like 5ht -natural supplements are often drugs or co-drugs in a sense so please don’t be over-comfortable by their "natural" label-there are cancerous tumors that secrete gobs of 5ht and that is natural too-for the tumors. Just be careful please LM

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i have to agree they all tell me that zoloft isn’t addicting either, but screw them all i go off it for 2 days and then have to start it again they say hardly any of the newer drugs are addicting, well i say, that they should try them themselves and then they will see

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zoloft Withdrawal–The Darkest Period of my Life Antidepressants  "I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine." My name is Virginia and I just finished seeing a segment on 2020 regarding withdrawal symptoms after getting off of an antidepressant. THANK GOD!!! There are other people out there that have experienced the same symptoms I have experienced! Every doctor in the past, (3), I have told about my withdrawal symptoms have told me that it’s not possible or that they’ve never heard of anyone having these

symptoms months after – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – attempting to get off Zoloft. I even got very upset at one of the doctor’s and told him that the symptoms I was experiencing were "real" and that I was not crazy! To make a long story short– The six months I was off the Zoloft was the darkest period of my life. I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine. For three weeks straight, I had dry heaves, nausea, dizziness, panic attacks so severe I thought I was having a heart attack, cold sweats, a weird sound in my head, like breaking glass every time I’d blink my eyes, the disconnection of your brains ability to catch up with your vision when you look sharply to the left or right (almost like the old slide projectors that take a second and then click to the next picture), severe paranoia, and continual suicidal thoughts. If it were not for my husband taking time of from work to watch over me, I would not be here today! Unfortunately, I lost my job, and ended up having to get back on the Zoloft in order to live a so-called "normal life". And I can honestly say, it was like a miracle how quickly my nausea and dry heaves went away. I only wish that the first doctor I saw would have informed me about the possibility of becoming addicted to this drug, and given me the choice of alternative treatment or a life long commitment to Zoloft. Now the only symptoms I have are dry mouth and a stiff jaw…Oh, and paranoia about ever losing my health insurance. Virginia — Psychiatry is to Science as Astrology is to Astronomy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have to agree they all tell me that zoloft isn’t addicting either, but screw them all i go off it for 2 days and then have to start it again they say hardly any of the newer drugs are addicting, well i say, that they should try them themselves and then they will see Zoloft Withdrawal–The Darkest Period of my Life Antidepressants  "I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine."

Well, in my experience, if you taper off of the drug, much the same as you slowly build up to a dose perscribed by your pdoc, you will experience less side effects.  The reason why it seems like you are addicted is because your nervous system has become dependant on the drug, and if you were to just stop it, you will experience severe side effects for several months afterwards, which happened to me a few years ago.  However, it’s not anywhere near as severe of an *addiction* as heroine or alcohol. Frost

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i have to agree they all tell me that zoloft isn’t addicting either, but screw them all i go off it for 2 days and then have to start it again they say hardly any of the newer drugs are addicting, well i say, that they should try them themselves and then they will see

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zoloft Withdrawal–The Darkest Period of my Life Antidepressants  "I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine." My name is Virginia and I just finished seeing a segment on 2020 regarding withdrawal symptoms after getting off of an antidepressant. THANK GOD!!! There are other people out there that have experienced the same symptoms I have experienced! Every doctor in the past, (3), I have told about my withdrawal symptoms have told me that it’s not possible or that they’ve never heard of anyone having these

symptoms months after – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – attempting to get off Zoloft. I even got very upset at one of the doctor’s and told him that the symptoms I was experiencing were "real" and that I was not crazy! To make a long story short– The six months I was off the Zoloft was the darkest period of my life. I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine. For three weeks straight, I had dry heaves, nausea, dizziness, panic attacks so severe I thought I was having a heart attack, cold sweats, a weird sound in my head, like breaking glass every time I’d blink my eyes, the disconnection of your brains ability to catch up with your vision when you look sharply to the left or right (almost like the old slide projectors that take a second and then click to the next picture), severe paranoia, and continual suicidal thoughts. If it were not for my husband taking time of from work to watch over me, I would not be here today! Unfortunately, I lost my job, and ended up having to get back on the Zoloft in order to live a so-called "normal life". And I can honestly say, it was like a miracle how quickly my nausea and dry heaves went away. I only wish that the first doctor I saw would have informed me about the possibility of becoming addicted to this drug, and given me the choice of alternative treatment or a life long commitment to Zoloft. Now the only symptoms I have are dry mouth and a stiff jaw…Oh, and paranoia about ever losing my health insurance. Virginia — Psychiatry is to Science as Astrology is to Astronomy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have to agree they all tell me that zoloft isn’t addicting either, but screw them all i go off it for 2 days and then have to start it again they say hardly any of the newer drugs are addicting, well i say, that they should try them themselves and then they will see Zoloft Withdrawal–The Darkest Period of my Life Antidepressants  "I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine."

Well, in my experience, if you taper off of the drug, much the same as you slowly build up to a dose perscribed by your pdoc, you will experience less side effects.  The reason why it seems like you are addicted is because your nervous system has become dependant on the drug, and if you were to just stop it, you will experience severe side effects for several months afterwards, which happened to me a few years ago.  However, it’s not anywhere near as severe of an *addiction* as heroine or alcohol. Frost

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Hi Cheryl, So sorry you are going through this.  Sending you caring and support!   Take care, Liz — There is always music amongst the trees in the garden but our minds must be very still to hear it. ASAP Gardening Site: http://www.chickadee.com/asapgardens

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See below….(Phillip)

answered by email as I got it in my inbox as well. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50)  I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink.  I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it.   I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out.  I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day.  ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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Thanks Philip~ I emailed you…oh you bet your boots I have my ativan handy! xoxo Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See below….(Phillip) answered by email as I got it in my inbox as well. P. Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50)  I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink.  I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it.   I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out.  I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day.  ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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I am sorry you aren’t feeling well. Hopfully you will get used to the new meds very soon. Good luck and I hope you feel better. Amy

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Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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See below….(Phillip) Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50)  I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink.  I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it.   I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out.  I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day.  ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15?

Yup, 50mgs is too high to start with. Some people start at 12.5mgs, others at 25mgs. Hope you are feeling better Jackie ~*~There came a time when the risk to remain tight in a bud was

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Hi Cheryl, ((((Cheryl)))), I hope you feel better soon, I don’t have any words of wisdom for you, sorry. I’ve been gone a while, what’s going on here that I’m missing? Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety Support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia

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Cheryl, Hope you are feeling better soon.  Those med changes can really get the best of us.  Hangin there… smiles, elise

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I’m so sorry you feel so crummy!  Pamper yourself today. Love, Di

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Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15?

different drug different mechanism of action-if your gonna do the medusa dance get her to dosie doe a bit and get her permission to up your ativan or up hers and call Jeff Apter-Zoloft compared to remeron is like qualuudes vrs speed so your now on dexamil and doin a bounce-50mg may be too high for a conversion for you it is a transition so make yourself comfortable as possible instead of white knuckling it-that lack of appetite will change to some carb craving soon this is a signal the zoloft is working but imo may be just change for change sake as the more you crave and consume the less you will burn and lose-she is using an older viewpoint that zoloft reduces appetite-ask some others here if their appetite is reduced-it is no less difficult to wean off then remeron in fact it may be a tad bit more difficult due to its energizing effects on some-get a professional opinion by a psychopharm doc not a transplant renal nephrologist whatever—- she wants to maximize the transplants life and that’s ok but there are other issues-including if you are psychologicaly ready to embark on being med free-trade offs is the name of the game-ch ch ch changes—-love bowie within a few days you will feel better be a patient patient but an assertive one-its your kidney now and your medical program- LM

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TC3 wrote : Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

Hi Cheryl. I’m sorry to hear you don’t feel so well right now. You’ll feel better later on I’m sure; not that that’s any great consolation… Hope you are better quickly. Take care please. -Z-

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Dear one, yes you sounded a bit manic yestreday I think you have worn yourself down totally If you manage to get the sprogg to school try take some rest Cheryl We both know that tiredness is a great motor for PA. Hope you get some rest and hang in there Lotsa kisses over the ocean flying your way Anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Path: news.wxs.nl!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!f e ed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2 . news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Feb 2001 07:29:59 -0500 Lines: UmFuZG9tSVZ9/f13lPYO1NQUJPzRlFuUUs+boUPTy+xZ+DqhBnD8RP1a78V4bucI 12:19:46 GMT X-MimeOLE:  Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority:  3 X-Newsreader:  Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-Priority:  Normal Xref: news.wxs.nl alt.support.anxiety-panic:263162 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Dear cheryl, I did not know you where changing meds Why is that was the other med not doing its work ??? I am really sorry you feel like this. Maybe it gets better soon. I really hope so for you. And otherwise call the doc.  No need to feel awfull all the time !!! You had your share huh VERY ferm hug from Anna

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Hi Cheryl, I know how you feel.  Supposedly, switching from Paxil to Zoloft was not supposed to be any big deal, but I feel different and it is not all my doing.  I am more nervous, and have the trembles.  I am just trying to be patient and see if it passes with time.  I still function, but do not feel comfortable.  Chores are getting done as usual, but not with the same peace. Hope you feel better soon, Cheryl.  Let us know how you are doing! Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

– There is always music amongst the trees in the garden but our minds must be very still to hear it. ASAP Gardening Site: http://www.chickadee.com/asapgardens

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I feel like dog doo. I am manic then exhausted, and I can’t remember anything…I was a mess getting her ready for school. Ack. I know it’s a transition.. Julie, that Snickers is still there so you know I am not feeling well~ LOL Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15? <Mercury, AD change and anxiety…perfect together LOL love Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. Dear Cheryl, I`m sorry that you feel so lousy ( If you continue to feel this way, you might want to ask your doctor about decreasing your Zoloft dose to 25mgs for a week, them go to 50mgs, you could even wean slower than this by increasing in 12.5mg increments. I hope you feel better soon {{{{{Cheryl}}}}} Jackie

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I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

Dear Cheryl, I`m sorry that you feel so lousy ( If you continue to feel this way, you might want to ask your doctor about decreasing your Zoloft dose to 25mgs for a week, them go to 50mgs, you could even wean slower than this by increasing in 12.5mg increments. I hope you feel better soon {{{{{Cheryl}}}}} Jackie

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Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

How long are you going to look at that Snickers Bar???? Sweetie, ignore the crap here. No biggie. Now, you know that it will take awhile for the Zoloft to get to a theraputic level in your system. You need to hang on through these few physical adjustments UNLESS they are bothering you too much. Then call the doctor and tell him. If you have a chance, call the pharmacist and ask him to give you the details on the zoloft. He should be able to pop that info on his screen while you are on the phone with him. Let him know the side effects you are having…then he can look it up. When my Effexor was increased, each time I had a strange symptom or side effect, which eventually went away. I hope that your sweats and unsteadiness will not be for long. Is that Snickers still sitting on your hutch? love,Julie

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Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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Dear cheryl, I did not know you where changing meds Why is that was the other med not doing its work ??? I am really sorry you feel like this. Maybe it gets better soon. I really hope so for you. And otherwise call the doc.  No need to feel awfull all the time !!! You had your share huh VERY ferm hug from Anna

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Thank you Anna! My doc thinks if I get off the Rem I can lose some weight…I just feel like I was so manic yesterday then crashed by midnight now I am really anxious and just feeling like a noodle. (  I have to get her ready for school and feel like I won’t be able to get her out of the door.. I don’t want to make her stay home because of this..that isn’t fair to her.  *sigh* I need your hug thanks xoxoxo love Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut. — Harry Krause We ought to make the pie higher. -GW Bush

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Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut.

That’s what you get with affirmative action. You might show a bit more sensibility and patience. Perhaps you’d benefit from diversity training? — Skipper

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That’s what you get with affirmative action.

Absolutely unbelievable. That’s a troll, right? Chuck Gould Float and let float.

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Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut.

Or perhaps he’s got his eyes and ears open open, but keeping his mouth shut…Unlike Harry, whose mouth is the only thing he keeps open.

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Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut. That’s what you get with affirmative action. You might show a bit more sensibility and patience. Perhaps you’d benefit from diversity training? — Skipper

There are and were plenty of quality minority judges who could have been raised to Associate Justice. Instead, we got a dimwit. A judge Bush likes. — Harry Krause I think he needs to stand up and say if he thought the president were wrong on policy and issues, he ought to say where. -GW Bush

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Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep

out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering

both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate

Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut. — Harry Krause

Thomas has always remained silent during oral arguments.  True in this hearing. true in all other hearings.   To make a negative assumption on that fact alone is ridiculous. To insult him is juvenile.

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Nothing wrong with responding to

a troll with another troll is there?<< — Steve If only they would go off together and beat each other to death and leave the rest of us alone.

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Nothing wrong with responding to a troll with another troll is there?<< — Steve If only they would go off together and beat each other to death and leave the rest of us alone.

You republithugs are really into violence… — Harry Krause The only things that I can tell you is that every case I have reviewed I have been comfortable with the innocence or guilt of the person that I’ve looked at. I do not believe we’ve put a guilty … I mean innocent person to death in the state of Texas. -GW Bush

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There are and were plenty of quality minority judges who could have been raised to Associate Justice. Instead, we got a dimwit. A judge Bush likes.

And we have another justice who apparently rides to court on her broom. — Skipper

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Nothing wrong with responding to a troll with another troll is there? If only they would go off together and beat each other to death and leave the rest of us alone.

Which bar admitted you, sweetie? — Skipper

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First of all Harry, stop being such a racist, bigoted pig. Just because Justice Thomas doesn’t meet your (and most libs) idea of what an African-American should be(beholden to the new Massa-the Demonrat party) does not give you the right to utter such garbage. Secondly, you are not worthy to serve as the wiping device for Justice Thomas’ gluteal cleft. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut. — Harry Krause We ought to make the pie higher. -GW Bush

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Peggie, Ouch, I have never seen Harry get to you like this.  The thing that amazes me about this is how biased everyone sees the issues, based upon their party affiliations, including Chuck Gould who normally tries to avoid off topic wars. I do have to admit that I am the only person who is really completely unbiased, and I know Bush should win.  ;) — Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut. Or perhaps he’s got his eyes and ears open open, but keeping his mouth shut…Unlike Harry, whose mouth is the only thing he keeps open.

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I obviously have too much time on my hands these days…’cuz I never got into off topic discussions before either! Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peggie, Ouch, I have never seen Harry get to you like this.  The thing that amazes me about this is how biased everyone sees the issues, based upon their party affiliations, including Chuck Gould who normally tries to avoid off topic wars. I do have to admit that I am the only person who is really completely unbiased, and I know Bush should win.  ;) — Jim Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut. Or perhaps he’s got his eyes and ears open open, but keeping his mouth shut…Unlike Harry, whose mouth is the only thing he keeps open.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I obviously have too much time on my hands these days…’cuz I never got into off topic discussions before either! Peggie Peggie, Ouch, I have never seen Harry get to you like this.  The thing that amazes me about this is how biased everyone sees the issues, based upon their party affiliations, including Chuck Gould who normally tries to avoid off topic wars. I do have to admit that I am the only person who is really completely unbiased, and I know Bush should win.  ;) — Jim Not a peep out of Thomas this time, not a peep out of him last time. Every other justice is in the fray, peppering both sides with questions. Thomas, of course, is the kind of Associate Justice Dubya Dumb likes…he’s got his eyes, ears and mouth shut. Or perhaps he’s got his eyes and ears open open, but keeping his mouth shut…Unlike Harry, whose mouth is the only thing he keeps open.

What a delight to be insulted by the rec.boats Queen of Head. — Harry Krause We’ll let our friends be the peacekeepers and the great country called America will be the pacemakers. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <SNIP That’s why GWB works out in the gym every day.  If it comes down to it, he’s ready to kick some Gore booty. BillS Are you kidding? Dubya Dumb is a short little twerp and because of his years of drug and booze abuse, his reflexes are shot, too. He does twitch nicely. — Harry Krause The short wirey guys are the ones you gotta watch out for.  They get in close because you’re overconfident and the next thing you know they’re punching you in the kidneys and head buttin’ your sternum.  When you try to grab em they’ll dart between you legs, kick you behind the knee and you’re down before you know it. Gore is too big and slow with one eye always on the camera while he’s thinking to himself;  "did you guys get the shot?  Is this a cool pose or what?"  It would be like Jackie Chan against Steven Segal. BillS

I was thinking more along the lines of Sugar Ray Leonard versus Lennox Lewis. — Harry Krause This is still a dangerous world. It’s a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses. -GW Bush

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Dubya Dumb is a short little twerp and because of his years

of drug and booze abuse, his reflexes are shot, too. He does twitch nicely.<< — Lu Powell Maybe he has Benign Essential Tremor.  It’s harmless, and doesn’t progress into anything serious.

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<SNIP That’s why GWB works out in the gym every day.  If it comes down to it, he’s ready to kick some Gore booty. BillS Are you kidding? Dubya Dumb is a short little twerp and because of his years of drug and booze abuse, his reflexes are shot, too. He does twitch nicely. — Harry Krause

The short wirey guys are the ones you gotta watch out for.  They get in close because you’re overconfident and the next thing you know they’re punching you in the kidneys and head buttin’ your sternum.  When you try to grab em they’ll dart between you legs, kick you behind the knee and you’re down before you know it. Gore is too big and slow with one eye always on the camera while he’s thinking to himself;  "did you guys get the shot?  Is this a cool pose or what?"  It would be like Jackie Chan against Steven Segal. BillS —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing wrong with responding to a troll with another troll is there?<< — Steve If only they would go off together and beat each other to death and leave the rest of us alone. You republithugs are really into violence… That’s why GWB works out in the gym every day.  If it comes down to it, he’s ready to kick some Gore booty. BillS

Are you kidding? Dubya Dumb is a short little twerp and because of his years of drug and booze abuse, his reflexes are shot, too. He does twitch nicely. — Harry Krause When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were, he said. It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they’re there. -GW Bush

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Poor Hairy. Must be terribly frustrating, being perfect in such an imperfect world…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing wrong with responding to a troll with another troll is there?<< — Steve If only they would go off together and beat each other to death and leave the rest of us alone. You republithugs are really into violence… That’s why GWB works out in the gym every day.  If it comes down to it, he’s ready to kick some Gore booty. BillS

Are you kidding? Dubya Dumb is a short little twerp and because of his years of drug and booze abuse, his reflexes are shot, too. He does twitch nicely. — Harry Krause When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were, he said. It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they’re there. -GW Bush

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Nothing wrong with responding to a troll with another troll is there?<< — Steve If only they would go off together and beat each other to death and leave the rest of us alone. You republithugs are really into violence…

That’s why GWB works out in the gym every day.  If it comes down to it, he’s ready to kick some Gore booty. BillS —

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I obviously have too much time on my hands these days…’cuz I never got

into off topic discussions before either! << — Peggie Obviously your boat is winterized.  That makes all of us a little crazy.

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Nope…I haven’t winterized but once in 15 years. Had the boat out on Saturday, in fact. However, I am about to be boatless for the first time in at least 15 years…I’ve accepted an offer on her. Saturday was actually the sea trial…survey is scheduled for Wednesday. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I obviously have too much time on my hands these days…’cuz I never got into off topic discussions before either! << — Peggie Obviously your boat is winterized.  That makes all of us a little crazy.

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I am about to be boatless for the first time in at least 15 years.<< —

Peggie OK, then that’s what’s making you crazy, not winterizing!

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I am about to be boatless for the first time in at least 15 years.<< — Peggie OK, then that’s what’s making you crazy, not winterizing!

No…I just haven’t quite figured out what to do with myself, now that I don’t have to work 14 hours a day.

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No…I just haven’t quite figured out what to do with myself, now that I don’t have to work 14 hours a day. …buy a boat?

I HAVE a boat…at least until the sale closes. A friend at work boat a repo at auction, and had a great deal of fun getting it back into good condition.

Peter, I spent the last 4 years turning a boat I bought in non-running and unihabitable condition into the boat you now see on her website. In fact, when he was done, he was sort of bored — their wasn’t enough to do.

Which is at least one of the reasons I’ve sold it. He sold it, and is looking for another.

Imagine how bored he’d be if he he no longer goes to work every day either.   However, I’m just in transition…exploring opportunities. This too shall pass. Peggie http://www.solitairef32.homestead.com/

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hi key, that happened for me on effexor and every other a-d  i tried including aurorix, celexor, tofranil and luvox. my doc said the effects would wear off over time- but they didn’t. it took great perseverance to get it up, let alone climax. naturally, being a guy, this is hard to take. I was going to say ‘hard to swallow’, but I’m trying to be serious here…. normal sexual response returns within weeks of giving up the a-d. at least it has for me. Erm, Wellbutrin is an a-d that’s known to have a positive effect on sex drive so, if you’re somewhere in the world where its available (its not available in Australia – dang!)  you could ask your pdoc to swap you over. hope this helps… rossco (aka brother john) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m experiencing loss of sex drive and inability to reach orgasm on 150mg Effexor XR/day.  Has anyone had a similar experience and noticed a reduction of these side effects?  Basically, will I get my sex drive back? key Before you buy.

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Key, I’m on 150mg Effexor a day also.  I’ve been on it for a few months.  I have the same problem.  It’s faded a little, but it still takes a long long time to reach orgasm.  I don’t know though, I think it’s different for everyone.   Jen(I know this didn’t help much) I’m experiencing loss of sex drive and inability to reach orgasm on 150mg Effexor XR/day.  Has anyone had a similar experience and noticed a reduction of these side effects?  Basically, will I get my sex drive back? key

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Hi key… It’s the same thing with Paxil… I don’t know how reduce side effect. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m experiencing loss of sex drive and inability to reach orgasm on 150mg Effexor XR/day.  Has anyone had a similar experience and noticed a reduction of these side effects?  Basically, will I get my sex drive back? key Before you buy.

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I’m experiencing loss of sex drive and inability to reach orgasm on 150mg Effexor XR/day.  Has anyone had a similar experience and noticed a reduction of these side effects?  Basically, will I get my sex drive back? key Before you buy.

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     The side effects I experienced were similar to the ones experienced on 20 mg of Paxil.  I am now taking 225mg of Effexor XR.  I am experiencing delayed ejaculation, it now takes about 20 minuets.  As opposed to the usual 5 to 10 minuets unmedicated. I left off reading newspapers once i got my journalism degree and realized HOW THEY WERE PRODUCED, and by WHAT sort of … life form.                                             – Ron Zucchini

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I’m experiencing loss of sex drive and inability to reach orgasm on 150mg Effexor XR/day.  Has anyone had a similar experience and noticed a reduction of these side effects?  Basically, will I get my sex drive back? key

No sex drive and inability to reach orgasm.  I had the same side effects. After several months these side effects hadn’t gone away, so my pdoc added Wellbutrin.  Much, much better now.  :-)

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Classic Effexor side effect. In some people the sex drive comes back. I don’t think the anorgasmia (is that what they call it?) goes away, if it’s one of the side effects for you, until you’re off Effexor. Then everything will be back the way it was before. Let the doc who prescribed it for you know if it’s a big issue for you. Take care. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m experiencing loss of sex drive and inability to reach orgasm on 150mg Effexor XR/day.  Has anyone had a similar experience and noticed a reduction of these side effects?  Basically, will I get my sex drive back? key Before you buy.

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Hi Tom, I am a wine-maker and get a lot of pleasure from making and drinking my own wine. Most medications (as far as I have seen), tell you to avoid alcohol (there, that’s my disclaimer <G) but I truly do enjoy a good glass of red 3/4 times a week. Several times I have even had (gasp!) 2 glasses of wine, but I draw the line there. What I have found is that I have no tolerance for alcohol -I either feel very sleepy or get quite giddy. I have not felt any after-effects the next day. My doctor is fully aware of my hobby.

I think most doctors automatically tell you not to drink, or very little, whether you’re on medication or not.  But, for me too, when I’m on a benzo, alcohol has an increased effect, and a lot less of it goes a lot farther than I want.  A lot of us self-medicate with alcohol as it is a CNS depressant sort of like benzo’s with a much shorter half-life and more dangerous side-effects. Listen to your body and you can probably tell is you can handle a little alcohol with the drugs or not.  (Unless you are a substance abuser, that is.) Gordon Held

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That seems to be the case. Too bad meds ALL have to say this. I had to take an antibiotic once with the same warning – but there it DID matter. WOW! Talk about am upset stomach! Yikes! So… a beer or two is cool. A good glass of cabernet even better! Cheers… Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tom, I am a wine-maker and get a lot of pleasure from making and drinking my own wine. Most medications (as far as I have seen), tell you to avoid alcohol (there, that’s my disclaimer <G) but I truly do enjoy a good glass of red 3/4 times a week. Several times I have even had (gasp!) 2 glasses of wine, but I draw the line there. What I have found is that I have no tolerance for alcohol -I either feel very sleepy or get quite giddy. I have not felt any after-effects the next day. My doctor is fully aware of my hobby. The times that I do not drink at all are the periods when my anxiety is extremely high and I am either levelling up on a medication or trying a new one or if the depression is very bad. Then I wait for a few months until I feel "balanced" again. BTW, I take a TCA daily and an occasional benzo when needed. If you are concerned about damage to your body, you could have your doctor do a liver function test. Cheers! Charley So… I want to understand… Does taking Buspar or Xanax, etc. forever disallow you from enjoying a beer or two with friends -something that has REALLY lifted my spirits in the past. I’ve battled this question myself several times and usually have the beer or wine, not to excess. But I WOULD like to know if it is TRULY harmful, in this VERY moderate way? Doctors will, of course, say no alcohol. Pharmacy, same thing. I understand. They have to cover their ass and the combination probably is not good (chemically speaking) but alcohol never is good for you anyway. Addictive people should NEVER cross the two! To that I agree. But, once you take some of the "fairly" harmless fun out of your life, your anxiety can go though the roof! I KNOW! Exercise is great. I do it myself regularly when I can. BUT… giving up those few beers with my friends FOREVER seems harsh! I drank twice (half bottle of wine once and a few beers another time) while on Buspar (5 mg/twice day) and Xanax (1 mg 2-3 times a day). All I noticed is I had a good time, might have slept TOO well, and maybe a little more groggy getting up. So what! Took a shower and went back to my daily, fairly healthy grind! Probably a week or two later I may have done the same thing. I have a high tolerance to drugs (Found out the hard way after an appendectomy!). That’s just "my" body chemistry. Just curious if I’m crazy or not? Please no preachy non alcohol speeches. I’d just like to know what the REAL danger here is. Maybe we should all just go to http://www.beer.com and send each other a "virtual" beer! It’s really there! Someone else can start that tradition. Any takers? Tom …do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So… I want to understand… Does taking Buspar or Xanax, etc. forever disallow you from enjoying a beer or two with friends -something that has REALLY lifted my spirits in the past. I’ve battled this question myself several times and usually have the beer or wine, not to excess. But I WOULD like to know if it is TRULY harmful, in this VERY moderate way? Doctors will, of course, say no alcohol. Pharmacy, same thing. I understand. They have to cover their ass and the combination probably is not good (chemically speaking) but alcohol never is good for you anyway. Addictive people should NEVER cross the two! To that I agree. But, once you take some of the "fairly" harmless fun out of your life, your anxiety can go though the roof! I KNOW! Exercise is great. I do it myself regularly when I can. BUT… giving up those few beers with my friends FOREVER seems harsh! I drank twice (half bottle of wine once and a few beers another time) while on Buspar (5 mg/twice day) and Xanax (1 mg 2-3 times a day). All I noticed is I had a good time, might have slept TOO well, and maybe a little more groggy getting up. So what! Took a shower and went back to my daily, fairly healthy grind! Probably a week or two later I may have done the same thing. I have a high tolerance to drugs (Found out the hard way after an appendectomy!). That’s just "my" body chemistry. Just curious if I’m crazy or not? Please no preachy non alcohol speeches. I’d just like to know what the REAL danger here is. Tom

If you react well to it there should be no problem in moderate drinking, although it’s better not to do it on a daily basis. I often drink a few glasses of wine myself and have done so on 375 different meds and I’m still around with the ol’ liver still intact. *Moderation* is the keyword here though. Interaction with benzos: alcohol and benzos both are CNS depressants which means that they may enhance each other’s effects: in other words, you may get drunk sooner or be more sedated than others. Hangovers may consist of PA’s. I’m not familiar with the exact interaction with Buspar but I do know that except with MAOI’s, AD’s can be taken while drinking a few glasses of wine/beer. My pdoc doesn’t mind me drinking as he knows I’m not going to be a alcoholic. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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So… I want to understand… Does taking Buspar or Xanax, etc. forever disallow you from enjoying a beer or two with friends -something that has REALLY lifted my spirits in the past. I’ve battled this question myself several times and usually have the beer or wine, not to excess. But I WOULD like to know if it is TRULY harmful, in this VERY moderate way? Doctors will, of course, say no alcohol. Pharmacy, same thing. I understand. They have to cover their ass and the combination probably is not good (chemically speaking) but alcohol never is good for you anyway. Addictive people should NEVER cross the two! To that I agree. But, once you take some of the "fairly" harmless fun out of your life, your anxiety can go though the roof! I KNOW! Exercise is great. I do it myself regularly when I can. BUT… giving up those few beers with my friends FOREVER seems harsh! I drank twice (half bottle of wine once and a few beers another time) while on Buspar (5 mg/twice day) and Xanax (1 mg 2-3 times a day). All I noticed is I had a good time, might have slept TOO well, and maybe a little more groggy getting up. So what! Took a shower and went back to my daily, fairly healthy grind! Probably a week or two later I may have done the same thing. I have a high tolerance to drugs (Found out the hard way after an appendectomy!). That’s just "my" body chemistry. Just curious if I’m crazy or not? Please no preachy non alcohol speeches. I’d just like to know what the REAL danger here is. Maybe we should all just go to http://www.beer.com and send each other a "virtual" beer! It’s really there! Someone else can start that tradition. Any takers? Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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Well, I’ve tried this a couple of times (I am on Xanax and Zoloft), and all that ever seemed to happen is that I had a hangover seemingly no matter what – sometimes even from 1 beer!  Not kidding…That’s all it ever was like though…I’m not taking a ton of Xanax, though, so I don’t know… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So… I want to understand… Does taking Buspar or Xanax, etc. forever disallow you from enjoying a beer or two with friends -something that has REALLY lifted my spirits in the past. I’ve battled this question myself several times and usually have the beer or wine, not to excess. But I WOULD like to know if it is TRULY harmful, in this VERY moderate way? Doctors will, of course, say no alcohol. Pharmacy, same thing. I understand. They have to cover their ass and the combination probably is not good (chemically speaking) but alcohol never is good for you anyway. Addictive people should NEVER cross the two! To that I agree. But, once you take some of the "fairly" harmless fun out of your life, your anxiety can go though the roof! I KNOW! Exercise is great. I do it myself regularly when I can. BUT… giving up those few beers with my friends FOREVER seems harsh! I drank twice (half bottle of wine once and a few beers another time) while on Buspar (5 mg/twice day) and Xanax (1 mg 2-3 times a day). All I noticed is I had a good time, might have slept TOO well, and maybe a little more groggy getting up. So what! Took a shower and went back to my daily, fairly healthy grind! Probably a week or two later I may have done the same thing. I have a high tolerance to drugs (Found out the hard way after an appendectomy!). That’s just "my" body chemistry. Just curious if I’m crazy or not? Please no preachy non alcohol speeches. I’d just like to know what the REAL danger here is. Maybe we should all just go to http://www.beer.com and send each other a "virtual" beer! It’s really there! Someone else can start that tradition. Any takers? Tom …do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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…do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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I had a REAL BAD experience when I was a drinker and took Buspar.  The two do not mix together well at all.  I personally don’t approve of drinking while taking meds…end of story.  But for those who do I say this…..Buspar and alcohol ARE dangerous.  Be careful.  You have to stop and ask yourself is drinking more important or is my health more important. Yes….alcohol causes health problems.  I only wish the best for you. Xanman – Former Drunk, Junkie, Pill poppin’, Dope smokin’, Idiot! — A little insanity in an sane wolf. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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well DAMN, boy! i think the three quarts of pabst would do you in the next morning even without the buspar! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -….do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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well DAMN, boy! i think the three quarts of pabst would do you in the next morning even without the buspar!

nah, i’m a professional drinker…… here’s my record for most alcohol consumed in an evening, it’s true i wrote it all down the next day, amazed myself even: 3 12oz cans of pabst 2 long island teas a martini 2 12 oz bottles of miller 1 screw driver 4 16 oz draft beers (unknown brand) 1 big margarita and a quart of pabst before bed and i didn’t even have a hangover, i was at work at 9 am on the dot.  i wouldn’t lie "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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…do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again.

Been doing that lately my self.   Watch – that it can truley mess you up. Do you feel it helps – albeit only temporarily?    What about depression the next day?  Terable? You’re so much better off when you do something physical.  Working out helps.  I guess that would include narly s-x too. Well i wish i could make that claim lately but i’m crossing a sand doon in the middle of the desert..  I know that soon along will come Ms or Mrs right,  food and water!   Maybe then i’ll be able to worry about somebody else’s life 1/2 as much as i do mine.  Maybe i just need two women! Wo wo wo, i thought you were banned.   Don’t know if we should be talking.  Well i think the question now is do you think you learned what ever lesson that it was you should have been learning?   Make people come to you.  Screw them – it’ll happen.! In the mean time hold your head up and by all means just relax. ralph g

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Wew that’s alot.  But try climbing on top your roof and smoking two bowls of green bud on top of it all and then fall off the ladder.  Still feeling that.  I drank a lot more than you did though. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well DAMN, boy! i think the three quarts of pabst would do you in the next morning even without the buspar! nah, i’m a professional drinker…… here’s my record for most alcohol consumed in an evening, it’s true i wrote it all down the next day, amazed myself even: 3 12oz cans of pabst 2 long island teas a martini 2 12 oz bottles of miller 1 screw driver 4 16 oz draft beers (unknown brand) 1 big margarita and a quart of pabst before bed and i didn’t even have a hangover, i was at work at 9 am on the dot.  i wouldn’t lie "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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Been doing that lately my self.   Watch – that it can truley mess you up. Do you feel it helps – albeit only temporarily?    What about depression the next day?  Terable?

i felt great while drinking, it was the next morning i had to pay though. i didn’t have one single bit of anxiety during the festivities. no depression the next day, just horrible shakes and headache, and a thought that i had hurt my brain beyond repair. You’re so much better off when you do something physical.  Working out helps. I guess that would include narly s-x too.

working out is a good thing, well, i play soccer, and do a lot of walking, not really "working out" but it is exercise. sex is a bore and does nothing more than make life more complicated. oh well, i’ve sworn it off for now. Well i wish i could make that claim lately but i’m crossing a sand doon in the middle of the desert..  I know that soon along will come Ms or Mrs right, food and water!   Maybe then i’ll be able to worry about somebody else’s life 1/2 as much as i do mine.  Maybe i just need two women! Wo wo wo, i thought you were banned.   Don’t know if we should be talking. Well i think the question now is do you think you learned what ever lesson that it was you should have been learning?   Make people come to you.  Screw them – it’ll happen.!

huh? the banned thing is because i was banned from a club in memphis for talking shite on them on my web page, it’s just an inside joke in a couple other news groups. In the mean time hold your head up and by all means just relax.

sure, that’s what i’m going for. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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Was only wondering.   Don’t mix meds and alcohol!   Not good for you and in most cases it’s antagonistic in it’s effects.  I RARELY even mix a little g.bud with it.  Come down and by all means don’t add to the problem! I never have any anxiety while drinking but i never need help with that, med wise. I don’t even like mixing analgisics with my hang over!   You bought it you pay for it.   PAY AS YOU GO!  Leave your chemistry alone And sex is a bore?   What?   <biting toung to keep from commenting See ya, gotta go now.   Sex a bore?   It’s always a bore if you’re lucky! Thanks for the explain- on the banned thing.  Avoided that as much as possible. Was there something you wanted to add? Talking s–t on yo web page?  Not cooo if you ask me.  I knew there was an alterior motive to your madness Later! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Been doing that lately my self.   Watch – that it can truley mess you up. Do you feel it helps – albeit only temporarily?    What about depression the next day?  Terable? i felt great while drinking, it was the next morning i had to pay though. i didn’t have one single bit of anxiety during the festivities. no depression the next day, just horrible shakes and headache, and a thought that i had hurt my brain beyond repair. You’re so much better off when you do something physical.  Working out helps. I guess that would include narly s-x too. working out is a good thing, well, i play soccer, and do a lot of walking, not really "working out" but it is exercise. sex is a bore and does nothing more than make life more complicated. oh well, i’ve sworn it off for now. Well i wish i could make that claim lately but i’m crossing a sand doon in the middle of the desert..  I know that soon along will come Ms or Mrs right, food and water!   Maybe then i’ll be able to worry about somebody else’s life 1/2 as much as i do mine.  Maybe i just need two women! Wo wo wo, i thought you were banned.   Don’t know if we should be talking. Well i think the question now is do you think you learned what ever lesson that it was you should have been learning?   Make people come to you.  Screw them – it’ll happen.! huh? the banned thing is because i was banned from a club in memphis for talking shite on them on my web page, it’s just an inside joke in a couple other news groups. In the mean time hold your head up and by all means just relax. sure, that’s what i’m going for. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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Hi Tom, I am a wine-maker and get a lot of pleasure from making and drinking my own wine. Most medications (as far as I have seen), tell you to avoid alcohol (there, that’s my disclaimer <G) but I truly do enjoy a good glass of red 3/4 times a week. Several times I have even had (gasp!) 2 glasses of wine, but I draw the line there. What I have found is that I have no tolerance for alcohol -I either feel very sleepy or get quite giddy. I have not felt any after-effects the next day. My doctor is fully aware of my hobby. The times that I do not drink at all are the periods when my anxiety is extremely high and I am either levelling up on a medication or trying a new one or if the depression is very bad. Then I wait for a few months until I feel "balanced" again. BTW, I take a TCA daily and an occasional benzo when needed. If you are concerned about damage to your body, you could have your doctor do a liver function test. Cheers! Charley

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So… I want to understand… Does taking Buspar or Xanax, etc. forever disallow you from enjoying a beer or two with friends -something that has REALLY lifted my spirits in the past. I’ve battled this question myself several times and usually have the beer or wine, not to excess. But I WOULD like to know if it is TRULY harmful, in this VERY moderate way? Doctors will, of course, say no alcohol. Pharmacy, same thing. I understand. They have to cover their ass and the combination probably is not good (chemically speaking) but alcohol never is good for you anyway. Addictive people should NEVER cross the two! To that I agree. But, once you take some of the "fairly" harmless fun out of your life, your anxiety can go though the roof! I KNOW! Exercise is great. I do it myself regularly when I can. BUT… giving up those few beers with my friends FOREVER seems harsh! I drank twice (half bottle of wine once and a few beers another time) while on Buspar (5 mg/twice day) and Xanax (1 mg 2-3 times a day). All I noticed is I had a good time, might have slept TOO well, and maybe a little more groggy getting up. So what! Took a shower and went back to my daily, fairly healthy grind! Probably a week or two later I may have done the same thing. I have a high tolerance to drugs (Found out the hard way after an appendectomy!). That’s just "my" body chemistry. Just curious if I’m crazy or not? Please no preachy non alcohol speeches. I’d just like to know what the REAL danger here is. Maybe we should all just go to http://www.beer.com and send each other a "virtual" beer! It’s really there! Someone else can start that tradition. Any takers? Tom …do not mix very well. i went a little nuts lastnight and drank a couple quarts of beer, felt fine til i woke up this morning, now i’m wondering if i have done long lasting damage to my body!!!!! uggggh. 15mg 2x a day and 3 quarts of pabst, you think i will live? needless to say i’m not doing that again. "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." http://members.aol.com/unfun26/enter.htm

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writes: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun.

Hi Nick, I had a pretty social weekend too. (for me)  What a world of difference it makes when you’re on the right meds : ) Each day, I feel a little better. Pam

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What pink pills? Where can I get some? Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com

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thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. sCOOTer wrote: In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete

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What pink pills? Where can I get some? Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. sCOOTer wrote: In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete

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  The physicians have given me zoloft + xanax then prozac.  Xanax was horrible…I don’t know how it helps anyone.  The zoloft and prozac were similar in effect…made me feel more content and made me much easier to get along with.  I didn’t want to be content or congenial, though.  I am panting to be more comfortable in college…that’s all.  The only relationships that I want are ones in which I am idolized as the enigma that I will always be, whether real or imagined.  Doesn’t it make any of you feel empty to act like everyone else?  I believe that if I weren’t shy, then I would be suicidal.  The biggest obstacle is the feeling that society is attempting to change me, and this becomes especially evident in college.  Their attempts wouldn’t be distressing if I wasn’t so sensitive to disapprobation…I want to be liked…not actually liked, too spiritless, but adored, envied, venerated, aggrandized…I don’t want to change.  The kind of counseling that I am getting isn’t helping, because I struggle with imagining that anyone really understands me…not because I’m too exceptional to be understood…because I have a distorted way of expressing myself.  No offense, but it seems to me that even doctors of the mind are easily misled…One must diffuse what I am saying to get to what is genuinely there.  I suppose I am expecting them to read my mind…after all the path from there to here is devious, and I’m not figuring it out.  I am mentioning all of this, because most of you talk about a manner of progress that is completely dissimilar to what I imagine for myself.  Anyway, we’re all just people experiencing the same symptoms, spawned from varying origins, induced by whatever, with different motivations, resulting in this…however you want to think of it.  Also, I felt like being opinionated and declaring that I hate mind playing drugs….the right ones, the wrong ones, the ones that work, the ones that don’t…any of them.  The ones that play in the pain region of your brain (no one expects me to know the names of all of these chemicals, regions, nerve transmitters, right? is it with the prostaglandins…I don’t know.) and other similar places don’t offend me that much….it’s just those ones that play in your  serotonin governors, emotional signals, GABAs, monoamine oxidase, whatever.  I’m not denying these drugs’ rights to excitement…They’re just uninvited right now.  Gotta be elaborate about it, y’know.

Leiliane

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<n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost

10.

Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life.

The

Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the

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That good hey.. — ========= Russ. "Is this heaven?" ========= Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376F8854.8275E8F8@primetimevisions.com… Paxil JimiJames wrote: What pink pills? Where can I get some? Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. sCOOTer wrote: In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete

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> > > > news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… > > > > > thanks. > > > > > although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. > > > > > sCOOTer wrote: > > > > > > In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com>, "Nicholas > > S.-Roy" > > > > > > <n….@primetimevisions.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost

10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my

life.

The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at

the

other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete

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I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun.

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I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun.

That’s tight.  I’m happy for you.  Hope it lasts. ~ "No culture has a monopoly on beauty or value… Just as no religion has a monopoly on truth."  -Voltaire

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Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete

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In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete

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That’s good enough.

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Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. That’s good enough.

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In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com writes: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Hi Nick, I had a pretty social weekend too. (for me)  What a world of difference it makes when you’re on the right meds : ) Each day, I feel a little better. Pam

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

Ingrid, most of your questions I can’t answer and wouldn’t try to for the group but I cn tell you that most of my health probloms seratonin plays a major factor in.  Don’t knpe if that helps or not Karen

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(blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? Jane in AZ

Jane, I had never heard of geographic tongue either, so I looked it up in my handy-dandy Taber’s Medical Dictionary: One possessing white, raised areas resembling mountain ranges on a relief map.  Areas consist of heaped-up epithelium surrounding areas of atrophy.   The next entry after geographic tongue was hairy tongue. Hmmmm, hairy tongue vs. geograpic tongue!  Both seem kind of nasty, in my book. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think?

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: Ingrid, : I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I : figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. : But : I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone : have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold : fingers or toes……any connections ya think? Patty,  I assume if you have Reynauds that you can’t take any vasoconstrictors? diane : Hi group, : the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite : a : few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are : migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our : systems : weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other : illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to : migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers : in : a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. : Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I : don’t need names for this, just illnesses. : What do you think? : Ingrid : —

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Patty, I have had that too since I was a kid.  I’ve found that acidophillus and b6 usually take care of it.  In my experience it’s caused by an lask of intestinal flora. diane

: No blushing necessary!  Every so often I get inflammations on my tongue, " : raised margins" on the surface that are red and sore.  they are patches : that are in (sort of) weird shapes.  Per Dr. and Med. book: no known cause : or treatment!  :) Sometimes irritated by some foods, but seems to be : cyclical in some way.  My sister has it too as well as migraines, both : things we just discovered about eachother (we are 15 yrs apart) So that’s : geographic tongue.  Just try and look that up on the net and see what kind : of sites you end up in! : Patty : : (blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? : Jane in AZ : – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

: Ingrid, : I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I : figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. : But : I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue : (anyone : have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold : fingers or toes……any connections ya think? : —

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And do they turn dead white?  It’s often just one or two of them.  My husband calls it the finger of death, it’s so white against the others. Hurts too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – patty, i  also have the ice cold fingers and/or toes.  i also experience fingers and/or toes that loose their feelings but hurt like the devil… ronnie queen of hugs                

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No blushing necessary!  Every so often I get inflammations on my tongue, " raised margins" on the surface that are red and sore.  they are patches that are in (sort of) weird shapes.  Per Dr. and Med. book: no known cause or treatment!  :) Sometimes irritated by some foods, but seems to be cyclical in some way.  My sister has it too as well as migraines, both things we just discovered about eachother (we are 15 yrs apart) So that’s geographic tongue.  Just try and look that up on the net and see what kind of sites you end up in! Patty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – - Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary

Yes, and just off the top of my head, motion sickness, depression, OCD, else? Sage

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patty, i  also have the ice cold fingers and/or toes.  i also experience fingers and/or toes that loose their feelings but hurt like the devil… ronnie Hey Gang,

So do I, they call it Raynouds (spelling?_) Disease. My Sister, Barb, the one who was Murdered in a Domestic Violence, had it also. About 10 years for me now. Hurts like a Son of a Gun, and I have gotten the ulcers when it has gotten real bad. One consolation, it keeps my mind of my Migraine ! Ha HA queen of hugs

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 So that’s geographic tongue.  Just try and look that up on the net and see what kind of sites you end up in! Patty

I think I am too afraid to look it up on the web!  (You know how often one can find those unpleasant sites by accident! Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

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patty, i  also have the ice cold fingers and/or toes.  i also experience fingers and/or toes that loose their feelings but hurt like the devil… ronnie queen of hugs                

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(blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – - – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think? Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary

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I have no other major illnesses. Migraine is it. I’m active physically, and mentally. I try to fill my no pain days and enjoy them. I figure migraine may take 1 to 6 days at a time away from me, but it will not have the other days. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

  Hi Ingrid, Don’t think I am unusual (except for being unique like all humans) but only have migraine. Don’t seem to have any other chronic conditions and have otherwise been healthy all my life and am still fighting fit and functioning on all levels at 66. Isn’t it possible that these other conditions, digestive, visual, auditory etc are all part of a wider migraine syndrome. Is there a specific thing called migraine, or is it an umbrella term which still defies close definition? Don’t have the answer..just ask the question!!

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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I guess we never think about what could be happening (at least my eyes have been opened!)  I have a HIGHER than normal temp (at 99 always – just call me Major Major Major, for those of you who read Catch 22)

LOL!  Your promotion is in the mail <evil grin   (btw, Closing Time’s pretty good too) <ramble I was working in the enrolment office here one holidays, & checking off official exam results against claimed exam results (on student’s applications) up came the name "Irving Washington" — his ethnicity was Yossarian, his permanent address was 22 Catch St, Heller, Auckland, and he planned to live in an air force tent during the year… No-one would believe me when I said HOAX!!!  They printed off an ID card & everything, waiting for him to turn up and verify his identity. But they sent his application off to the accomodation office, with a note saying present accomodation should suit him fine Then at the end of the year the lecturer of one of the courses he’d "enrolled" in had notices up asking him to get in touch ASAP, because he’d been handing in work – and getting it marked! – but wasn’t on the official class list! </ramble , but lower than normal BP (at 90/60 on a good day).  I also have cold hands always, even in the 122 degree heat Phoenix is famous for, and even with the raised body temp.

My BP’s always pretty low (dizziness, etc.), temperature I don’t know about.  And I’d have to convert it to fahrenheit anyway, wouldn’t I? butting (t’ lazy) — Bryce Utting                          http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~butting                 the cross before me, the world behind me                              no turning back

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It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Ingrid

Hi Ingrid, I can count on one hand the number of times I got a flu/cold, my blood pressure is ok, colesterol ok, sugar in the blood ok, my teeth are all here and in good shape, all organs seem to be in good shape, I even sleep well. If I can point one thing that should be better it would be me constipation, but I’m taking care of that too. Soooooooo…… I iz a migraineur who just have migraines. peace Mario Daily Hemicrain – My Migraine Homepage http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~kukobuka/migraine.html

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Yes, and just off the top of my head, motion sickness, depression, OCD, else? Sage

Yep Sage – I get the depression – the sulphue allergy and the anxiety Anne (UK) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Wow, I never even thought about others having these things. I just always knew my blood pressure is low and so is my temp. I rarely get a fever, and my feet are always cold. Melissa got me slippers that have gel packs you heat in the microwave and then put in a pocket in the slippers. My feet ’still’ get cold! Cyndi

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary I too have a lower than norm temp. Mine is usually around 96. And I rarely get a fever, even when I have the flu. I may feel sweaty and cold, but the thermometer says I don’t have a fever. Strange. Take care, Jackie k

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I guess we never think about what could be happening (at least my eyes have been opened!)  I have a HIGHER than normal temp (at 99 always – just call me Major Major Major, for those of you who read Catch 22), but lower than normal BP (at 90/60 on a good day).  I also have cold hands always, even in the 122 degree heat Phoenix is famous for, and even with the raised body temp. (learning as I go along!) Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mary I too have a lower than norm temp. Mine is usually around 96. And I rarely get a fever, even when I have the flu. I may feel sweaty and cold, but the thermometer says I don’t have a fever. Strange. Take care, Jackie k

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It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary

I too have a lower than norm temp. Mine is usually around 96. And I rarely get a fever, even when I have the flu. I may feel sweaty and cold, but the thermometer says I don’t have a fever. Strange. Take care, Jackie k

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Thanks for the input. Gathering dribs and drabs of info in a textfile right now. Once I have a significant number of responses, I’ll put in in spreadsheet format or whatever format you all can read. Ingrid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes migraines major depression, chronic (over 10 years on meds) seizure disorder chronic sinusitis benign essential tremor ibs pms arthritis in hands, maybe raynouds wonder if this helps….sounds like an interesting undertaking, ingrid…let us know what you discover. tn Things are not always what they appear to be unless they appear to be hopeless & futile. x-no-archive: yes

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I wanna meet this guy!!!! name "Irving Washington" — his ethnicity

was Yossarian, his permanent address was 22 Catch St, Heller, Auckland, how funny – the TV series had an episode of Hawkeye making up a guy – I am surprised he didn’t use something like this (can’t remember the name of the guy he made up off hand) My mother grounded me when she caught me reading the book – and I was nineteen years old!!! Bryce you are a card!  (an ACE!!!!) Jane – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

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Hi!  In regard to your poll of what we migraineurs might have in common, I normally have very low blood pressure– 90 over 60. Also cold hands and feet most of the time. Also very touchy digestive system, particularly my stomach. Barb

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