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I posted earlier that it’s starting to seem that albuterol is either not working, or, is actually starting to tighten me up, rather than loosen me up (paradoxical reaction?).  I seem to be tight all the time (have been checked for heart and other lung issues, but, nothing shows up). I finally convinced my doctor to try me on another MDI, so, he gave me Alupent.  I’ve tried it twice today (first time 2 puffs, second time, 8 hours later, three puffs, and don’t really see that it does anything–my pulse isn’t even going up, and, I don’t have any kind of nervous feeling. Any others have experiences with this? TIA!

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Yep, I have asthma–all my life, and I’m 50.  I’m using Flovent and Serevent, too.  My doctor wanted to try me on MaxAir, rather than Alupent, but, the Pharmacy doesn’t stock it.  I’ve used the Alupent several times, and, it doesn’t really seem to do…anything–not even making my heart race. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted earlier that it’s starting to seem that albuterol is either not working, or, is actually starting to tighten me up, rather than loosen me up (paradoxical reaction?).  I seem to be tight all the time (have been checked for heart and other lung issues, but, nothing shows up). I finally convinced my doctor to try me on another MDI, so, he gave me Alupent.  I’ve tried it twice today (first time 2 puffs, second time, 8 hours later, three puffs, and don’t really see that it does anything–my pulse isn’t even going up, and, I don’t have any kind of nervous feeling. Any others have experiences with this? TIA! Alupent is generaly not considered as good a beta2-agonist bronchodilator for asthma, as albuterol. Alupent is not listed as a preferred drug in the latest asthma guidelines. There are other beta2 agonists that are listed, like terbutaline & pirbuterol. It sounds like you may need a steroid inhaler for long term maintenance; like Pulmicort or Flovent. Have you had PFTs [pulmonary function tests] to demonstrate you have asthma? Ellis

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Theoretically the canisters should last 30 days, but I find them running low quicker than that.  So with Advair you wouldn’t have to worry about that.

Right 28 days with a counter which reduces after each dose,

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there is a major advantage in patient compliance having only one product to use instead of two. Another advantage is that the dose is adjustable. – it comes in low and high doses. It seems that the attractive package does make it more patient compliant, as soon as he recovers from the sticker shock. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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My doctor told me the Advair was more expensive.   Is it really true that the Servent/Flovent is more expensive?  And, I’m talking about the real cost, not the fact that I’d have one copay instead of two. Another factor is, for me, I don’t get

Advair is more expensive versus one inhaler but if you add the Flovent inhaler and the Serevent inhaler they will be less.

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 The final question is cost: does your health insurance cover Advair.

It should as you save around $30.00 by using the advair rather then the Flovent and Serevent separately.I would think if you presented this to the insurance people they would appreciate you trying to save them money.

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 The final question is cost: does your health insurance cover Advair. It should as you save around $30.00 by using the advair rather then the Flovent and Serevent separately.I would think if you presented this to the insurance people they would appreciate you trying to save them money.

My doctor told me the Advair was more expensive.   Is it really true that the Servent/Flovent is more expensive?  And, I’m talking about the real cost, not the fact that I’d have one copay instead of two. Another factor is, for me, I don’t get the 120 doses per canister of Serevent and Flovent.  Theoretically the canisters should last 30 days, but I find them running low quicker than that.  So with Advair you wouldn’t have to worry about that.

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Is there something about combining Flovent and Serevent into one package that is more effective than taking them separately?

There are two advantages. 1) The delivery system takes less kill/practice and since MDI technique is notoriously horrible it is hoped that the delivery will be better. 2) Cost. The Advair discuss is priced less than the two inhalers separately and if you pay by the copay it will probably be only one instead of two. — CBI, MD "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." -Andre Gide

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My doctor told me the Advair was more expensive.   Is it really true that the Servent/Flovent is more expensive?  And, I’m talking about the real cost, not the fact that I’d have one copay instead of two.

All prices are AWP (average wholesale price). Induhvidual indusurers may make special deals. That said: Advair is more expensive that either Flovent or Serevent alone but less expensive than both. Since the Pulmicort Turbuhaler has three months worth of medicine in each device it is less expensive than Flovent and the combo od Pulmicort and Serevent is about the same as Advair. Oc course, if it cuts two co-pays to one it is cheaper for you regardless of AWP. In my experience the only insurers that won’t pay for Advair also don’t pay for Serevent. Another factor is, for me, I don’t get the 120 doses per canister of Serevent and Flovent.  Theoretically the canisters should last 30 days, but I find them running low quicker than that.  So with Advair you wouldn’t have to worry about that.

Correct. Since it has a numerical counter and a delivery device that does not rely on gas pressures you would not have to guess exactly when it will run out either. — CBI, MD

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Why all this hype about Advair?  All it is, is a combination of Flovent’s active ingredient + Serevent’s active ingredient, in a funny new package. Is there something about combining Flovent and Serevent into one package that is more effective than taking them separately? — Steven D. Litvintchouk                   Advair cuts down on number of inhalers used: from two to one. Also  the

delivery system is different: Advair uses a powder and Flovent is a mdi. If you have problems with an mdi, then, on that basis, the switch to advair could be indicated. The problem with Advair is that during an exacerbation you cannot vary the Advair dosage, you will have to supplement with Flovent in whatever strength is required. In terms of efficacy, from personal experience, I find no difference and this is supported by my pulmonologist.  The final question is cost: does your health insurance cover Advair. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Why all this hype about Advair?  All it is, is a combination of Flovent’s active ingredient + Serevent’s active ingredient, in a funny new package. Is there something about combining Flovent and Serevent into one package that is more effective than taking them separately?

According to my Pulmologist the powder form is more effective in getting into your lungs and does a better job.

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Only a couple of differences. — It’s a dry powder inhaler, so no propellant to react to. — It’s one puff twice daily, not 2 each twice daily (i.e., 1 not 4, twice daily)  Helps compliance — There’s a counter on the device.  Helps keep track of when to replace. There were studies about it being more effective than just flovent, but I haven’t seen anything about it being better than the pair of medications prescribed separately.  Other than what’s listed above, it would appear to be a compliance issue.  I prefer it since I cough after taking the 4 puffs, but not after taking advair.  YMMV. Liam

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My pulmonologist wants to try switching me from Flovent to Advair. And I’ve heard so many other asthma and COPD patients praising Advair. Why all this hype about Advair?  All it is, is a combination of Flovent’s active ingredient + Serevent’s active ingredient, in a funny new package. Is there something about combining Flovent and Serevent into one package that is more effective than taking them separately? — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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My pulmonologist wants to try switching me from Flovent to Advair. And I’ve heard so many other asthma and COPD patients praising Advair. Why all this hype about Advair?  All it is, is a combination of Flovent’s active ingredient + Serevent’s active ingredient, in a funny new package. Is there something about combining Flovent and Serevent into one package that is more effective than taking them separately? — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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On 17 Jan 2004 20:01:09 -0800, goyg…@aol.com (goygirl) wrote:

Today my NP called me and told me that the CT was abnormal and that I have either nasal polyps and or cysts (3) and she is referring me to an ENT specialist. Today was the happiest and most hopeful day I have had in my life!!!! She is dubious about this being the casuse of all my suffering but I am not.  This must be the answer, please let it be. I have read alot in the last 12 hours and I believe this must be it.  I cannot go on like this much longer and I have been a terrible father and husband for a long time now, Finally, my question fot the group.  Now what???  Should I just go with whatever course of action this unknown Dr. suggests??

*If* they recommend surgery, I would not go right away with a randomly-chosen surgeon. Because surgery is a major thing, and can *occasionally* go wrong, and is a bit of an art, I would first see also other sinus surgeons, including one or two at a major University medical center, preferably including a conservative one such as Mayo.   You can easily do this under the guise of getting "second opinions." Find them yourself though, not via asking your current doctors for names. Then, *if* you still want surgery, go with the most experienced one.  They will all be glad to see you becasue sinus surgery is *big dollars*. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I am really desperate for some relief (I even posted on the net for the first time)  I dont want to be anything less than aggresive with this problem which has caused me to suffer for so long.

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Have you read about the "upside down sinus flooding" with peroxide/ baking soda and kosher salt for dealing with sinus disease? If you want to follow along with other sinus sufferers who are finding some relief using it, and read the documentation check out the forum at Healthboards at: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210 The shortness of breath after going to bed is not normally considered a "sinus condition". I get it. I let a sinus infection go too long without treatment, and it caused me to become over sensitive to things that I was only slightly allergic to before, like cotton. When I lie in bed, my heart get irritated and starts to palpitate, and I’ll get shortness of breath. If I lie on my leather recliner without sheets or blankets, my heart remains stable. ===

Larry, you wrote: "My symptoms were as follows

 1. headache over my eyes from about 2-4 hours after awakening lasting the entire day and night  2. shortness of breath (this just started recently) only in the evening until  sleep  3.  dizziness, slight nausea  4.  facial pain (I have only recently learned to distinguish this from a headache)<===

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -goygirl wrote:

I need help and advice with a very serious problem.  For about 28 months now, I have had moderate to severe headaches and facial pain. I believed that this stemmed from an unsatisfactory lasik procedure and two dissapointing enhancements that followed shortly thereafter.  I encountered boursts of severe pain in the eye in question as well, so I naturally assumed that this was the cause.  I saw 3 lasik specialists and they could find nothing that would cause this pain.  I was angry and depressed.  I have been healthy my whole life and now this pain, every day, and it seemed I had chosen it.  About six to eight months ago, the eye pain stopped, but the headaches and the facial pain persisted. I found that no OTC pain med helped me but percocet taken in small doses did take away most of the pain.  OK, if noone could help me, I would address the issue with medication.  I was concerned with becoming addicted to the drug, but not concerned enough to stop, the pain was too much. I had a brain MRI and went to a couple of doctors but nothing.  

Who ordered the MRI?  What type of doctors did you see?  Did you ever see a qualified neurologist? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I was becoming more and more depressed and taking it out on my wife and kid.  I decided to rededicate myself to finding out what was wrong. Finally, a nurse practicioner at my Drs office suggested I have a CT of my sinus last week and I did.  I was  not very hopeful because I didnt seem to have any nasal congestion and almost never get a cold or the flu but what the heck. My symptoms were as follows 1. headache over my eyes from about 2-4 hours after awakening lasting the    entire day and night 2. shortness of breath (this just started recently) only in the evening  until  sleep 3.  dizziness, sligh nausea 4.  facial pain (I have only recently learned to distinguish this from a      headache) Today my NP called me and told me that the CT was abnormal and that I have either nasal polyps and or cysts (3) and she is referring me to an ENT specialist. Today was the happiest and most hopeful day I have had in my life!!!! She is dubious about this being the casuse of all my suffering but I am not.  

I don’t want to make you feel bad, but I have to say that I am not sure it’s the cause either. I don’t know anything about lasik, but I don’t understand how it could have triggered chronic sinusitis, unless you had developed some kind of post-operative eye infection and your surgeons should have been able to detect that.  The cysts and polyps could be coincidental.  Some folks have polyps for years with no symptoms. I even searched the Internet for you, to find any possible connection between sinus problems and Lasik.  I haven’t found anything.

This must be the answer, please let it be. I have read alot in the last 12 hours and I believe this must be it.  I cannot go on like this much longer and I have been a terrible father and husband for a long time now, Finally, my question fot the group.  Now what???  Should I just go with whatever course of action this unknown Dr. suggests??  

You should never do that for any course of action by any unknown doctor. Explain to this ENT all about your lasik surgery and when the problems started.  After this ENT has seen your CT scan films and told you what he thinks (is it sinusitis or a complication of lasik), start researching the ENTs in your area and find a good one, and get a second opinion from him. If you haven’t seen a neurologist yet, you should see one, and show him your MRI films. — Steven L.

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On 23 Jan 2004 11:35:31 -0800, goyg…@aol.com (goygirl) wrote:

p.s.  I dont hink this is a neck problem

Why not?

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I need help and advice with a very serious problem.  For about 28 months now, I have had moderate to severe headaches and facial pain. I believed that this stemmed from an unsatisfactory lasik procedure and two dissapointing enhancements that followed shortly thereafter.  I encountered boursts of severe pain in the eye in question as well, so I naturally assumed that this was the cause.  I saw 3 lasik specialists and they could find nothing that would cause this pain.  I was angry and depressed.  I have been healthy my whole life and now this pain, every day, and it seemed I had chosen it.  About six to eight months ago, the eye pain stopped, but the headaches and the facial pain persisted. I found that no OTC pain med helped me but percocet taken in small doses did take away most of the pain.  OK, if noone could help me, I would address the issue with medication.  I was concerned with becoming addicted to the drug, but not concerned enough to stop, the pain was too much. I had a brain MRI and went to a couple of doctors but nothing.  I was becoming more and more depressed and taking it out on my wife and kid.  I decided to rededicate myself to finding out what was wrong. Finally, a nurse practicioner at my Drs office suggested I have a CT of my sinus last week and I did.  I was  not very hopeful because I didnt seem to have any nasal congestion and almost never get a cold or the flu but what the heck. My symptoms were as follows 1. headache over my eyes from about 2-4 hours after awakening lasting the    entire day and night 2. shortness of breath (this just started recently) only in the evening  until  sleep 3.  dizziness, sligh nausea 4.  facial pain (I have only recently learned to distinguish this from a      headache) Today my NP called me and told me that the CT was abnormal and that I have either nasal polyps and or cysts (3) and she is referring me to an ENT specialist. Today was the happiest and most hopeful day I have had in my life!!!! She is dubious about this being the casuse of all my suffering but I am not.  This must be the answer, please let it be. I have read alot in the last 12 hours and I believe this must be it.  I cannot go on like this much longer and I have been a terrible father and husband for a long time now, Finally, my question fot the group.  Now what???  Should I just go with whatever course of action this unknown Dr. suggests??  I am really desperate for some relief (I even posted on the net for the first time)  I dont want to be anything less than aggresive with this problem which has caused me to suffer for so long. Any advice and wisdom from those with knowlede is very much appreciated Thanks, Larry

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He didn’t say if he ever saw a neurologist.  I would think that’s at least as important as seeing an ENT. — Steven L. as usual Steve is right again. Steve, did you learn from me or is it vice versa? The headaches he is describing can be cervical. The first division of the trigeminal nerve is affected by cervical stimuli and is felt as a V1 pain. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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… The symptoms you describe are often due to neck problems. Cysts of the sinuses do  not give this type of pain. I have seen patients with this history cured by getting their auto seat adjusted, or getting rid of the glare when they type. I would recommend referral to a licensed physical therapist. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

just a quick follow -up for those who took the time to read my post. Went to the allergist 4 days ago, after much advice, prior to my ent. Tested for alleraies as well as a breathing test.  Not much difference before and after the med with the breathing test and was positive for many allergies.  Follow-up appt next week for results. ENT yesterday in Phoenix, finally I may get some answers on this facial pain.  Gave him my history before he read my CT, tried not to leave anything out.  Then he started reading me the results of my CT which I already knew.  I asked him if he had read the CT and he said NO, only the report from the drs at the imaging center where it was taken.  I explained that I had waited 2 weeks to see him so he could read the CT and I was dissapointed.  He said he would order it by courier and call me when he had read it in a couple of days.  Very dissapointing.  I told him I would go get it and bring it within the hour and he said fine. Anyway when he read it, he said my sinuses looked fairly healthy and he seriously doubted that my facial pain could come from the one polyp on the right side.  He gave me some Astelin and Singulair and sent me on my way.  Told me to handle it with the allergist, that was where the problem probably lies.  I was very dissapointed that there was not something he could spot on the CT.  Im back to square one with no help from the astelin in 3 doses but will continue Any suggestions?? p.s.  I dont hink this is a neck problem Larry

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All your syptoms I have. I had the CT and it was sinus problems. My ENT put a tiny scope (camera) inside my nose. I have large polyps, The Ct showed a crooked septum and he said my turbinates are large. I seen another ENT for a secound opinion. He said the same thing. He used a nose spreader and a magnifier and said and showed a large polyp and bad irratation. I said I have a CT in my car and should I bring it in for him to look at. He laughed and said he never has a problem being the 2nd opinion Doctor. He looked at it and showed me each area one at a time taking plenty of time. He said it was in the severe class. Left maxillart and tube is completely blocked right side is 1/2. upper somewhat.  ect. The pain gets very bad. So now its time to have it done. Get 2 Doctors and ask other people. Ask If the Doctor has done at least 200-300 sinus operations. using FESS. Well good luck

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:53:40 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net

wrote: Before he goes down this track too far: Have you ever heard of any scenario in which Lasik eye surgery could possibly cause chronic sinusitis?  The only thing I can think of would be a post-op eye infection, and his surgeons should have spotted that easily.

I could not find anything searching the Internet.

He didn’t say if he ever saw a neurologist.  I would think that’s at least as important as seeing an ENT.

I agree. Since he has a complicated problem, if he does not find a likely cause he might consider going to Mayo, which has excellent cross-disciplinary diagnostic approaches, and does not easily give up on a problem until they find the cause. Far too many other providers just rule out one cause at a time, without enough consultation across specialties.

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Don and Steve Yes I did get an MRI by a qualified neurologist and he saw nothing.  I might add that I did recieve Punctal Plugs to help with the Dry Eye I experienced.  Any chance that may be the problem?  They worked wonders for my Dry Eye but I hate to think they were tthe cause of all this pain.  I aked my optomotrist friend if there is any possible connection and he said no. Larry

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On 18 Jan 2004 13:13:36 -0800, goyg…@aol.com (goygirl) wrote:

Don and Steve Yes I did get an MRI by a qualified neurologist and he saw nothing.  I might add that I did recieve Punctal Plugs to help with the Dry Eye I experienced.  Any chance that may be the problem?  They worked wonders for my Dry Eye but I hate to think they were tthe cause of all this pain.  I aked my optomotrist friend if there is any possible connection and he said no.

Dry Eyes are a common complication of Lasik.  They may be asssociated with pain.    But one would expect the punctal plugs to help with that, not make it worse.  They are very commonly used. I would see what some sinus experts think of the CT scan before anything else….. Pain *above* the eyes could correspond to the ethmoid or possibly frontal sinsuses..   Is that where the polyps are or are the in the maxillary (cheek) sinuses?  Really you will know better after seeing the sinus specialist…..

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The symptoms you describe are often due to neck problems. Cysts of the sinuses do  not give this type of pain. I have seen patients with this history cured by getting their auto seat adjusted, or getting rid of the glare when they type. I would recommend referral to a licensed physical therapist. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote:

On 17 Jan 2004 20:01:09 -0800, goyg…@aol.com (goygirl) wrote: Today my NP called me and told me that the CT was abnormal and that I have either nasal polyps and or cysts (3) and she is referring me to an ENT specialist. Today was the happiest and most hopeful day I have had in my life!!!! She is dubious about this being the casuse of all my suffering but I am not.  This must be the answer, please let it be. I have read alot in the last 12 hours and I believe this must be it.  I cannot go on like this much longer and I have been a terrible father and husband for a long time now, Finally, my question fot the group.  Now what???  Should I just go with whatever course of action this unknown Dr. suggests?? *If* they recommend surgery, I would not go right away with a randomly-chosen surgeon. Because surgery is a major thing, and can *occasionally* go wrong, and is a bit of an art, I would first see also other sinus surgeons, including one or two at a major University medical center, preferably including a conservative one such as Mayo.  

Before he goes down this track too far: Have you ever heard of any scenario in which Lasik eye surgery could possibly cause chronic sinusitis?  The only thing I can think of would be a post-op eye infection, and his surgeons should have spotted that easily. He didn’t say if he ever saw a neurologist.  I would think that’s at least as important as seeing an ENT. — Steven L.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi tony, he doesnt want to be on any kind of drugs, his gp put him on this to get him off crystal meth and heroin. that has worked but now he wants to be totally drug free, but he seems to think that he can get off effexor… i wonder why she put him on those if she knew that they are the hardest drugs to get off, even tho she knew that he wanted to be drug free one day hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i think to make life easier for her mayeb? hi everyone, more of a reader than a poster, but i do have  a quick question. im not familiar with effexor, but my brother is on it, and has been since october last year. what is the best way to get off these? Jackie gave some good advise, but I can’t help asking why he wants to go off of effexor? Tony From a very bad personal experience.. I think I would rather go cold

turkey off of crystal meth and heroine simultaneously than cold turkey off of Effexor. If he does not go off of this medication without the help of a physician, he is going to be one sorry guy. I know this, because I did it.. despite having already known it was highly recommended NOT to do it.. I did it because the side effects from Effexor were just more than I thought I could tolerate another second. I know this drug has helped many people. I also know this drug has been .. to put it mildly.. a not so good experience for some others, myself included. I think your brother is being irrational, however.. if Effexor enabled him to stop the street drugs, it must have some positive effects for him. He sounds like he has benefited from taking it. We’d all *like* to be med free. Nobody wants to be chained to a regimen of drugs just to feel normal..but med free does not always mean that is the healthiest way to go. Medications can save your life, your sanity, save you from much discomfort and suffering… They are there for a good reason, and I hope he rethinks his position. He may or may not be able to live med free, but if he d/c’s the Effexor without a doctor’s supervision, he may be in for a very bad experience. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi tony, he doesnt want to be on any kind of drugs, his gp put him on this to get him off crystal meth and heroin. that has worked but now he wants to be totally drug free, but he seems to think that he can get off effexor… i wonder why she put him on those if she knew that they are the hardest drugs to get off, even tho she knew that he wanted to be drug free one day hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i think to make life easier for her mayeb? hi everyone, more of a reader than a poster, but i do have  a quick question. im not familiar with effexor, but my brother is on it, and has been since october last year. what is the best way to get off these? Jackie gave some good advise, but I can’t help asking why he wants to go off of effexor? Tony —

I dont mean to sound negative, but I had one HELL of a time getting off of Effexor. It didnt work for me so my doctor kept upping the dosage. She got it up to 250mg a day and my anxiety never relented. It took about 3 months to try to wean myself off, and even then I felt TERRIBLE. I would advise anyone taking this to try and get off of it before you stay on it long enough to have the withdrawl symptoms (and my doctor claimed she had never heard of anyone having any withdrawl symptoms-needless to say she is no longer my doc) I went to a new doc who gave me alprazolam (which the old doc wouldnt do because of concerns that I may become addicted, imagine that) which I only take when I need and it works wonders. I have heard of people having the same problems with Cymbalta. They say you will become addicted to valium or alprazolam (which are cheap and work when used properly, and will only result in addiction if abused) and then put you on high- dollar SSRI’s (which cause horrible withdrawl symtoms). Obviously the best paitent’s best interest is not top priority here. Sorry, I guess I got on a bit of a rant there…… Terri — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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hi tony, he doesnt want to be on any kind of drugs, his gp put him on this to get him off crystal meth and heroin. that has worked but now he wants to be totally drug free, but he seems to think that he can get off effexor… i wonder why she put him on those if she knew that they are the hardest drugs to get off, even tho she knew that he wanted to be drug free one day hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i think to make life easier for her mayeb?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi everyone, more of a reader than a poster, but i do have  a quick question. im not familiar with effexor, but my brother is on it, and has been since october last year. what is the best way to get off these? Jackie gave some good advise, but I can’t help asking why he wants to go off of effexor? Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Tennessee Tony schreef: hi everyone, more of a reader than a poster, but i do have  a quick question. im not familiar with effexor, but my brother is on it, and has been since october last year. what is the best way to get off these? Jackie gave some good advise, but I can’t help asking why he wants to go off of effexor? Tony

 ….which is a very good question (I know because I wanted to ask it myself Being on an AD for half a year is short. Now I have another question: why is he *on* it in the first place? Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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hi everyone, more of a reader than a poster, but i do have  a quick question. im not familiar with effexor, but my brother is on it, and has been since october last year. what is the best way to get off these?

Jackie gave some good advise, but I can’t help asking why he wants to go off of effexor? Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:: ::hi everyone, :: ::more of a reader than a poster, but i do have  a quick question. :: ::im not familiar with effexor, but my brother is on it, and has been since ::october last year. :: ::what is the best way to get off these? :: ::thanks Hi Glama, Your brother should discontinue Effexor under the guidance of a medical professional. Effexor is one of the more difficult antidepressants to wean off of. A way to minimize withdrawal symptoms is to take it very slow and to decrease the dose in small amounts. Here is some info on discontinuing antidepressants….. http://bipolar.about.com/cs/antidep/a/0207_ssridisc1.htm http://bipolar.about.com/cs/antidep/a/0207_ssridisc2.htm http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEED9173EF936A15756… Wishing your brother lots of luck and success getting off Effexor! Jackie ~*~Life is not the way it’s supposed to be. It’s the way it    is. The way you deal with it is what makes the difference~*~   ~~ Virginia Satir   — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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hi everyone, more of a reader than a poster, but i do have  a quick question. im not familiar with effexor, but my brother is on it, and has been since october last year. what is the best way to get off these? thanks — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Anorexia is one of the more pronounced side effects of Prozac, and the manufacturer seriously was or is trying to get it indicated for weight control!! It was prescribed to me for depression when my family had major problems, but it just happened to be just what I needed for my migraines. That was like I said, maybe 16-18 years ago. I have no idea whether it’s STILL helping my migraines, but I’ve been to MHNI twice since then, and nobody’s ever questioned or reconsidered the Prozac…   But by now, for all I know, it might be useless for my migraines, but if I stop taking it, my personality gets kinda dark and sad, because I’m naturally serotonin deficient, so maybe yes, it’s working on SOMETHING? Same for the Elavil – I’ve been taking it since 1993. It helps with the serotonin situation, but it really helps me sleep, too, and I need that, because of my severe sleep apnea, and it’s nonaddictive, so it’s better than a sleeping pill. Plus, Elavil is indicated in other painful conditions, one of which I have: Interstitial cystitis. But Elavil is the biggest culprit in the dry eyes that prevent my eye doctor from giving me the contacts I want. But it’s a good drug, and I’m glad I have it. And when I run out of Flexeril, I’ll take half an Elavil in a pinch. They’re very similar. As for weight, I’ve heard that Elavil is supposed to put weight ON, but frankly, I’ve got so many drugs in my personal stew that I couldn’t begin to tell you which ones are driving my weight one way or the other, unless there’s been a big change in my drugs recently, like switching from Depakote to Topamax 6 months ago, and promptly losing 10 pounds. The BuSpar I don’t remember very well, as far as migraines are concerned… MHNI prescribed it during another bad-family period – my dad had died and I was still freaked about it, and I think the BuSpar was more for keeping ME off the ceiling, than to help with my headpain. It’s a great little drug, that doesn’t wrack you up with side effects. I think it kinda has one foot in the antidepressant category, and the other foot in the tranquilizer category. Ginnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really, prozac caused weight loss for you?  Seems funny since most of the other antidepressants seem to do just the opposite.  I gained ten pounds on Paxil. Is any of this helping with your migraines? Thanks! Michelle

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I have used Topopmax, Nortriptelyne and Prozac. Topomax worked except for dizzyness, Nortriptylene weight gain and Prozak nothing. Other high powered ones also caused extreme dizzyness amd nuaseau. If you can handle Topomax or Amitriptylene they might help. A good Neurologist is best way to go. Dr. Ken Moore is great out of Chicago area. This is his only specialialty. He is also covered by BCBS. http://www.helpforheadaches.com/ Even if you are from out of state he may be of help. 70% of his patients are from out of state. Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome. Thanks! Michelle

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Priscilla, did you notice any weight gain with the Celexa and do you use any triptans as an abortive?  I noticed on the Celexa site that they warn against using some of the triptans…didn’t know if that was an issue for you?

I think I gained a bit of weight during the time I was on Zoloft (my dress size went up), but then I don’t watch my weight and generally eat what makes my body feel good, without attention to calories.  I don’t own bathroom scales. There’s no real problem taking triptans with SSRIs.  I use Imitrex, and I’ve taken it while on Prozac, Zoloft, and Celexa.  It does a very different thing from what the SSRIs do. Sleepiness for me at night would be very welcome…during the day would not.

This is during the day.  Can’t sit/lie down to read a book without zzzzzzing out.  At bedtime, however, I often need help from melatonin or Benedryl. Priscilla — "As you get older, physical deterioration is offset by a larger world view and a deeper sense of gratitude."  Diane Keaton

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Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)?

I’ve tried both tricyclics and SSRIs for ordinary migraines in the misty distant past.  The tricyclics seemed to help quite a bit, but had really weird side effects.  The SSRIs had barely-tolerable side effects (all different, I tried a bunch) and had just-barely perceptible effects on my headaches, I could never be sure if they were helping. Now I have chronic daily headaches, and Topomax is keeping them partly under control (I’m still in constant pain, but between the Topomax and the painkillers, it’s not quite so bad all the time.  Except when it flares up a few times a week.)  I tried adding a tricyclic antidepressant (25mg nortriptyline) as a preventative, and also for the antidepressant effects, because the Topomax and chronic pain together are awfully depressing.   I was only on the Nortriptyline for 3 days, because the side effects were so bad.  I used to describe my tricyclic (and a lot of other medication side effects) as "dizziness," or "motion sickness," even though it was oddly unlike vertigo.  It was like hallucinating, only with my sense of balance and that sense that tells you where your feet are without looking at them.  I’ve had "distorted perceptions" before, many times, but they usually last only a few minutes, and I can perceive reality kind of in the background.  With Nortriptyline, the distortion was much more intense, and it lasted about half an hour each time.  I did some research, and figured out that these were probably partial seizures.  I had 5 one day, 6 the next, then 4 the third day (when I tried to empty out half the powder in the nortriptyline capsule.)  I also had more absence seizures than I could count. The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome.

One of my doctors said that the tricyclics were supposed to be most effective as migraine preventatives.  If you want something mild, you would want a low dose.  But all the tricyclics have the same risk of lowering the seizure threshold.  I think I had a mild seizure disorder for a long time, without knowing it, but going on and off the anti- seizure drugs (Depakote and Neurontin) and other drugs that were supposed to prevent migraine could have lowered my seizure threshold even further.   Adrian Turtle sidewalk radical

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Actually I have used all of those with exception of the Prozac.  The topomax experience was not one I could continue because of severe hives that developed about eight months into the treatment.  The amitriptylene is kind of sketchy because I tried it so many years ago and it didn’t work then and I had side effects that made me quit. I’m actually looking for the antidepressant for the antidepressant effect and hoping to help my CDHs as a side issue. Thanks! Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have used Topopmax, Nortriptelyne and Prozac. Topomax worked except for dizzyness, Nortriptylene weight gain and Prozak nothing. Other high powered ones also caused extreme dizzyness amd nuaseau. If you can handle Topomax or Amitriptylene they might help. A good Neurologist is best way to go. Dr. Ken Moore is great out of Chicago area. This is his only specialialty. He is also covered by BCBS. http://www.helpforheadaches.com/ Even if you are from out of state he may be of help. 70% of his patients are from out of state. Jim Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome. Thanks! Michelle

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Hi Michelle, I think during the time that I experienced CDH I tried about every SSRI they had out.  I think there may be a few new ones that i didn’t go on but the point is the entire time I took anti-depressants I also dealt with CDH and intractable migraines . I also took Desyrel to help me sleep and it did sleep me. But didn’t make any difference in the headaches. Since going off SSRI’s May of 2001 I’ve had a total of 3 migraines. Only 1 of them required more then imitrex to abort.  My CDH is just gone.  Yeah, I do still get headaches.  I’m a stress sponge I swear and when I get stressed I still get a headache, but believe it or not i can actually treat them OTC. That’s just my experience We’re all different but I can’t help but wonder if i had quit everything sooner what would have happened. Please understand that at the same time I quit the anti-deprssents i also got rid of a lot of other drugs.  Klonopin, muscle relaxors and percodan to name a few.  Any one of them or a combination of all of them could have contributed to my headaches. Hope this helps Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome. Thanks! Michelle

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Just thought I’d post this here FYI There is also a class action going against glaxosmithkline for paxil withdrawal information on it can also be found at this site (see url at end of article) Prozac, Zoloft, and Paxil Antidepressant Users v. Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and GlaxoSmithKline Commonly-Prescribed Antidepressants Are Extremely Dangerous for Some Some 200 legal actions have been filed against Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and GlaxoSmithKline, the manufacturers of Prozac (fluoxetine), Zoloft (sertraline), and Paxil (paroxetine), respectively, to recover for suicides or homicides–some completed, some only attempted–by patients in the first few days or weeks after they were prescribed one of these drugs.These three medications are in the same family, called SSRIs, for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. They are commonly prescribed for depression, and they work by increasing the amount of a chemical called serotonin in the brain. The actions against the drug companies claim that the companies knew–but failed to warn physicians and patients–that a small number of patients will experience a condition called akathisia, an overwhelming physical and mental restlessness, shortly after they begin taking these drugs. Other patients may, after beginning one of these medications, find themselves sufficiently energized to harm themselves, but not yet helped enough by the drug to control their destructive thoughts. Attorneys representing the patients or their survivors have discovered documents the companies hid–documents showing that these risks exist for all three antidepressants. Some of the patients who have suffered an akathisia reaction have been driven to horrible deeds. Matthew Miller was a 13-year-old who committed suicide less than a week after starting to take Zoloft. Donald Schell, 60, took two Paxil tablets before experiencing hallucinations and then shooting himself, his wife, their daughter, and their granddaughter to death on Feb. 13, 1998. On March 4, 1993, two weeks after starting to take Prozac, William Forsyth stabbed his wife 15 times as she lay in bed, and then leaned on the knife to kill himself. Reginald Payne, 63, a teacher in Great Britain, suffocated his wife and threw himself off a cliff in March 1996, after having taking Prozac for just 11 days. In July, 2001, a federal jury in Cheyenne, Wyoming ordered GlaxoSmithKline to pay $6.4 million to Donald Schell’s relatives. In that case, the relatives found internal GlaxoSmithKline documents showing the company was aware that a small number of people could become agitated or violent from Paxil. Despite this knowledge, Paxil packaging does not include a warning about suicide, violence or aggression. Documents Are Damning The documents discovered about Prozac are particularly revealing: 1. In 1990, Eli Lilly scientists were pressured by corporate executives to alter records on physicians’ experiences with Prozac, changing mentions of suicide attempts to "overdose" and suicidal thoughts to "depression." 2. Three years before Prozac received approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a similar agency in Germany had such serious reservations about Prozac’s safety that it refused to approve the antidepressant. Eli Lilly’s studies showed that previously nonsuicidal patients who took the drug had a five-fold higher rate of suicide and suicide attempts than those on older antidepressants, and a three-fold higher rate than those taking placebos. 3. Lilly’s own figures indicate that one in 100 previously nonsuicidal patients who took the drug in early clinical trials developed akathisia, causing them to attempt or commit suicide during the studies. It has also been discovered that the patent for a new version of Prozac, which Eli Lilly paid $90 million to acquire, states that the new formulation would reduce "the usual adverse effects" of the original Prozac, including "nervousness, anxiety, insomnia, inner restlessness (akathisia), suicidal thoughts, self-mutilation, manic behavior." Prozac was introduced by Eli Lilly to the U.S. market in January, 1988. Zoloft and Paxil followed in December, 1991, and December, 1992, respectively. Some 45,000 reports of adverse reactions to Prozac have been filed with the FDA. These include reports of about 2500 deaths, with the large majority linked to suicide or violence. Physicians Report Suicidal Reactions Dr. Martin Teicher of Harvard Medical School reported in 1990 that he and his colleagues had observed suicidal thoughts in six patients who were taking Prozac. More recently, Dr. David Healy, an expert on the brain’s serotonin system and the director of the North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine at the University of Wales, estimated that "probably 50,000 people have committed suicide on Prozac since its launch, over and above the number who would have done so if left untreated." Meanwhile, the drug companies continue to rely on a 1991 finding from an FDA advisory panel that "there is no credible evidence of a causal link between the use of antidepressant drugs, including Prozac, and suicidality or violent behaviour." http://www.classactionamerica.com/cases/case.asp?cid=1087

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I have no problem with Nortriptyline which I am taking for 2 weeks.  I started and stayed on 10 mgs with no side effects to speak of; I have just increased my dose to 20 mgs, and I restarted Prozac yesterday.  I am also wearing the NTI appliance and my headaches are better [after 3 weeks].  I also take 1/3 of a triptan the last couple of days and may continue that as a preventative for a week or two and see how that works out.   Also, when I was on Paxil a few years ago, I think it cut down on some of my headaches at that time, but it had plenty of side effects. Joy

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Thanks, Karen.  Interesting.  I had a conversation with my doctor today about the antidepressants and my experience with Paxil (weight gain and icky withdrawal).  He said it doesn’t have to be that way if a doctor closely manages the patient, but he also said Paxil really is bad for those two reasons.  He doesn’t typically prescribe it.  He said the newer drugs are actually turning out to have better results.  He mentioned Lexolor or something like that, but we agreed on Effexor for now since I did have good results with it last time.  We’ll see. I’ll check out the Paxil link…interesting. Thanks, Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just thought I’d post this here FYI There is also a class action going against glaxosmithkline for paxil withdrawal information on it can also be found at this site (see url at end of article) Prozac, Zoloft, and Paxil Antidepressant Users v. Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and GlaxoSmithKline Commonly-Prescribed Antidepressants Are Extremely Dangerous for Some Some 200 legal actions have been filed against Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and GlaxoSmithKline, the manufacturers of Prozac (fluoxetine), Zoloft (sertraline), and Paxil (paroxetine), respectively, to recover for suicides or homicides–some completed, some only attempted–by patients in the first few days or weeks after they were prescribed one of these drugs.These three medications are in the same family, called SSRIs, for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. They are commonly prescribed for depression, and they work by increasing the amount of a chemical called serotonin in the brain. The actions against the drug companies claim that the companies knew–but failed to warn physicians and patients–that a small number of patients will experience a condition called akathisia, an overwhelming physical and mental restlessness, shortly after they begin taking these drugs. Other patients may, after beginning one of these medications, find themselves sufficiently energized to harm themselves, but not yet helped enough by the drug to control their destructive thoughts. Attorneys representing the patients or their survivors have discovered documents the companies hid–documents showing that these risks exist for all three antidepressants. Some of the patients who have suffered an akathisia reaction have been driven to horrible deeds. Matthew Miller was a 13-year-old who committed suicide less than a week after starting to take Zoloft. Donald Schell, 60, took two Paxil tablets before experiencing hallucinations and then shooting himself, his wife, their daughter, and their granddaughter to death on Feb. 13, 1998. On March 4, 1993, two weeks after starting to take Prozac, William Forsyth stabbed his wife 15 times as she lay in bed, and then leaned on the knife to kill himself. Reginald Payne, 63, a teacher in Great Britain, suffocated his wife and threw himself off a cliff in March 1996, after having taking Prozac for just 11 days. In July, 2001, a federal jury in Cheyenne, Wyoming ordered GlaxoSmithKline to pay $6.4 million to Donald Schell’s relatives. In that case, the relatives found internal GlaxoSmithKline documents showing the company was aware that a small number of people could become agitated or violent from Paxil. Despite this knowledge, Paxil packaging does not include a warning about suicide, violence or aggression. Documents Are Damning The documents discovered about Prozac are particularly revealing: 1. In 1990, Eli Lilly scientists were pressured by corporate executives to alter records on physicians’ experiences with Prozac, changing mentions of suicide attempts to "overdose" and suicidal thoughts to "depression." 2. Three years before Prozac received approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a similar agency in Germany had such serious reservations about Prozac’s safety that it refused to approve the antidepressant. Eli Lilly’s studies showed that previously nonsuicidal patients who took the drug had a five-fold higher rate of suicide and suicide attempts than those on older antidepressants, and a three-fold higher rate than those taking placebos. 3. Lilly’s own figures indicate that one in 100 previously nonsuicidal patients who took the drug in early clinical trials developed akathisia, causing them to attempt or commit suicide during the studies. It has also been discovered that the patent for a new version of Prozac, which Eli Lilly paid $90 million to acquire, states that the new formulation would reduce "the usual adverse effects" of the original Prozac, including "nervousness, anxiety, insomnia, inner restlessness (akathisia), suicidal thoughts, self-mutilation, manic behavior." Prozac was introduced by Eli Lilly to the U.S. market in January, 1988. Zoloft and Paxil followed in December, 1991, and December, 1992, respectively. Some 45,000 reports of adverse reactions to Prozac have been filed with the FDA. These include reports of about 2500 deaths, with the large majority linked to suicide or violence. Physicians Report Suicidal Reactions Dr. Martin Teicher of Harvard Medical School reported in 1990 that he and his colleagues had observed suicidal thoughts in six patients who were taking Prozac. More recently, Dr. David Healy, an expert on the brain’s serotonin system and the director of the North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine at the University of Wales, estimated that "probably 50,000 people have committed suicide on Prozac since its launch, over and above the number who would have done so if left untreated." Meanwhile, the drug companies continue to rely on a 1991 finding from an FDA advisory panel that "there is no credible evidence of a causal link between the use of antidepressant drugs, including Prozac, and suicidality or violent behaviour." http://www.classactionamerica.com/cases/case.asp?cid=1087

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Joy, About the Paxil side effects…that’s what my doctor said.  He doesn’t typically prescribe it unless a patient had a history with it that was good. I went with Effexor since I had used that before, but he also mentioned something like Lexolor (sp?), but I never heard of that. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have no problem with Nortriptyline which I am taking for 2 weeks.  I started and stayed on 10 mgs with no side effects to speak of; I have just increased my dose to 20 mgs, and I restarted Prozac yesterday.  I am also wearing the NTI appliance and my headaches are better [after 3 weeks].  I also take 1/3 of a triptan the last couple of days and may continue that as a preventative for a week or two and see how that works out.   Also, when I was on Paxil a few years ago, I think it cut down on some of my headaches at that time, but it had plenty of side effects. Joy

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Thanks, Holly, Mine are mainly caused by hormones.  I have since started taking Effexor since I did have success with it in the past.  It actually has helped and I have had five out of seven days migraine free.  The other two days I suspect were caused by the upper level low that came sweeping in with massive rain (another trigger–weather). Thanks, though. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have used several anti-depressants for migraine control.  I also am deficient in serotonin.  They all gave me out of control carbohydrate cravings.  This is a common side-effect – it changes your appetite control centers.  Some people become anorexic others get terrible hunger.  But, I invested in a light-box.  It simulates sunlight (sunlight is supposed to increase serotonin levels in the brain, which is what ssri’s do also) and has totally kept my migraines at bay without use of any drugs.  If you keep track of migraine cycles you may be able to see if they decrease when you spend more time outside in brilliant sunshine.  Holly

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I have used several anti-depressants for migraine control.  I also am deficient in serotonin.  They all gave me out of control carbohydrate cravings.  This is a common side-effect – it changes your appetite control centers.  Some people become anorexic others get terrible hunger.  But, I invested in a light-box.  It simulates sunlight (sunlight is supposed to increase serotonin levels in the brain, which is what ssri’s do also) and has totally kept my migraines at bay without use of any drugs.  If you keep track of migraine cycles you may be able to see if they decrease when you spend more time outside in brilliant sunshine.  Holly

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hello, ask your doctor about amitryptyline… works wonders for me…only on 40 mg a day. Psylocke — "Friends are bacon bits in the salad of life"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome. Thanks! Michelle

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The only anti-depressant I take is Prozac and that is for my depression and for Attention Deficit Disorder. I take it once a day and it dosen’t do anything for my migraine headaches. barbara Booth

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Really, prozac caused weight loss for you?  Seems funny since most of the other antidepressants seem to do just the opposite.  I gained ten pounds on Paxil. Is any of this helping with your migraines? Thanks! Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been on the SSRI Prozac for maybe 16-18 years, and while it has some side effects I don’t care for (farting, tinnitus, dry mouth), it has some that are helpful (anorexia, wakeful-need to take it in the a.m.). And it’s available in a generic now. Prozac is also good at keeping weight off – they were or are marketing it as a weight reduction aid. I also take Elavil/actually I take Amitriptyline the generic at night, because it helps me sleep, and Elavil is good for overall pain syndromes in that it not only boosts the serotonin, but it also relaxes the muscles at night, which helps ensure better sleep. And it’s inexpensive. But its drawbacks are DRY mouth and dry eyes, and maybe tinnitus. I also took BuSpar several years ago, but it technically is a

tranquilizer, not an – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – antidepressant, even though it binds to serotonin receptors, and doesn’t make you sleepy. It’s a good drug, and fairly benign as far as side effects go. It was prescribed for me at MHNI. Ginnie Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome. Thanks! Michelle

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Priscilla, did you notice any weight gain with the Celexa and do you use any triptans as an abortive?  I noticed on the Celexa site that they warn against using some of the triptans…didn’t know if that was an issue for you? Sleepiness for me at night would be very welcome…during the day would not. Thanks, Michelle

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I’ve been on the SSRI Prozac for maybe 16-18 years, and while it has some side effects I don’t care for (farting, tinnitus, dry mouth), it has some that are helpful (anorexia, wakeful-need to take it in the a.m.). And it’s available in a generic now. Prozac is also good at keeping weight off – they were or are marketing it as a weight reduction aid. I also take Elavil/actually I take Amitriptyline the generic at night, because it helps me sleep, and Elavil is good for overall pain syndromes in that it not only boosts the serotonin, but it also relaxes the muscles at night, which helps ensure better sleep. And it’s inexpensive. But its drawbacks are DRY mouth and dry eyes, and maybe tinnitus. I also took BuSpar several years ago, but it technically is a tranquilizer, not an antidepressant, even though it binds to serotonin receptors, and doesn’t make you sleepy. It’s a good drug, and fairly benign as far as side effects go. It was prescribed for me at MHNI. Ginnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome. Thanks! Michelle

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Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome.

I’m going off Celexa and back to Zoloft because I suspect Celexa may be responsible for my terrible sleepiness.  It worked well as an antidepressant, as did Zoloft before (and I hope again!). Priscilla — "As you get older, physical deterioration is offset by a larger world view and a deeper sense of gratitude."  Diane Keaton

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Have tried the tricyclics (no help, much weight gain); three SSRIs (no help & no libido either); and Welbutrin (no help, spoiled my occasional cigar…hee hee). Sorry. Hope your experience is better. –Julianne

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Hi all, I am looking at possibly going back on an antidepressant.  I’ve been on Paxil in the past and Effexor.  My experiences with Paxil and Effexor were both pretty good, but I did gain weight on the Paxil.  I wonder if people who have been on any of the antidepressants can share their experiences with them, i.e. did it help any of your migraines, chronic daily headaches, and did you experience side effects (and what were they)? The meds that come to my mind are Paxil, Effexor, Zoloft, Celexa, and Buspar.  Any others?  I’m not looking at diving into a heavy duty antidepressant…something mild is just fine.  Any comments, experiences, etc. are welcome. Thanks! Michelle

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Dale Davis wrote: I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help. Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

Thanks for your response. I didn’t get a hand tremor until a month ago. The gyno doctors wanted to prescribe tranquil. because they felt the headaches, nausea and intermittent fevers  were not  menopause related and I looked depressed. I explained they would look depressed too if they sat where I was sitting with a headache, nausea and a 99+ fever. I couldn’t possibly be cheerful. No one tested me for depression. I’m waitng for an MRI and neuro consult. Although I never heard of hand tremors associated with menopause I was hoping maybe it was a rare symptom rather than the alternative diagnosis of brain inflammation, brain tumor, Parkinsons. Dale

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Hi Dale and welcome to a.s.m.  For what it’s worth, I have hand tremors under two circumstances, neither of which is, I believe, directly related to menopause.  In 1998 I had a neuropraxia of my right hand.  I thought I had had a stroke and went to the emergency room.  Believe it or not, my doctor advised acupuncture (which I was getting for a shoulder injury) and it eventually went away by itself.  Affected my handwriting something awful for a while.  Now I get hand tremors from pain.  I have recently posted under other threads about dealing with unwanted facial hair and, respectively, electrolysis and most recently (today, in fact) laser hair removal.  The pain causes hand tremors.  I think it is wise of you, though, to have a checkup to see if there is another reason for them.  I have had headaches for many years, but nausea and fevers (unless you are referring to hot flashes, which, at least in me, do not cause actual measurable fever) is a good thing. Best wishes, RuthJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dale Davis wrote:

I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help.

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I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help.

Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

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I understand your frustration as I went through many years of ‘mis-diagnosis’ before I got an answer to all my symptoms. The best advice I can give is for you  to ask your neurologist for a brain MRI scan, it’s a painless non-invasive procedure. I hope you can get your health problems resolved quickly. — Shirley see my cat pictures at http://communities.msn.co.uk/Friendsfamilyandfelines2

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Aargh – I forgot to paste the URL before I sent the message.  Sorry about that!  Here it is: http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=973&cn=5 It’s a form that you can fill out on line.  It won’t give you a "definitive diagnosis" but it will help you to understand if you are showing a lot of the symptoms of depression. FurPaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mink wrote:

Can you pls. fill me in on this depression test?  Is it a form with lots of questions on it? Thanks. Kate FurPaw wrote: Dale Davis wrote: I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help. Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

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Can you pls. fill me in on this depression test?  Is it a form with lots of questions on it? Thanks. Kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -FurPaw wrote:

Dale Davis wrote: I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help. Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

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I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help.

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I have been taking Serzone for at least 3 months. Before that i took Zoloft very briefly. I had a lot of side effects on Zoloft.  Started out on 50mg of Serzone now at 300mg. I havnt noticed any strong reaction one way or another. No real bad side effects and no real help for sp. No weight gain. I think I have been feeling alittle less anxious- like I dont care as much what people think. I do feel alittle tired during the day tho but I cant say for sure its because of that. My therapist recommends I go a higher dose -she thinks I will feel more of an affect then. We shall see. Renee

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From: zkwyed1 zkwyed1NOzkS…@yahoo.co I’ve been taking Serzone for about two months now. Before that I had taken Wellbutrin for about two months. On the Wellbutrin I was having a lot of trouble sleeping and problems with trembling and feeling on edge, not to mention it didn’t help with anxiety much. So I switched to Serzone which helps sleeping a lot, in fact one of the problems I had the first couple of weeks was that I could hardly wake up. I could shut of my alarm after eight hours of sleep and still sleep for hours after that… my bed would just call to me with some sort of siren song thing…

LOL. I know that feeling.  I’ve been taking it 2 weeks now and I still have a hard time waking up.  I’m hoping that will pass.  Today (Saturday)  I slept till 10:00 am ! I haven’t done that in a long time. I am feeling very sluggish tho.  and I’m really hoping that will go away.  

 That was the only problem I had with weight gain, I felt like a giant slug and didn’t want to move much. It has gotten a lot better in that regard. In fact, I would say that if you’re someone with anxiety, Serzone doesn’t add the tense jittery feeling that Wellbutrin seemed to for me. That is definitely only my opinion.

I don’t feel the least bit jittery on this med  : )  I didn’t understand about the weight gain, did you gain weight on this med??  I’m asking because my doc told me I would gain weight on this one.  (that’s what they all say, huh)

On another note, I have been lurking about eight months here, and I appreciate being able to read what everyone posts here. Every single one of you is important to those of us who reads these posts but hasn’t gotten to the point of interacting here. Thanks to all of you and good luck to everyone. The quiet one.

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From: g…@execpc.com  (Doug) Pam, I took 100 to 150 mg of Serzone along with 40 mg of Paxil per day for almost two years.  I used the Serzone to try to help me sleep, which it did, but because it was mixed with the Paxil, I can’t isolate what it did for me besides helping me to sleep better.

Doug,   I see….well although it’s been way to soon, that is about all I’m seeing from it too.  But it’s still ealry Pam

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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so  I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron,  So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it.  I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam

 I’ve been taking Serzone for about two months now. Before that I had taken Wellbutrin for about two months. On the Wellbutrin I was having a lot of trouble sleeping and problems with trembling and feeling on edge, not to mention it didn’t help with anxiety much. So I switched to Serzone which helps sleeping a lot, in fact one of the problems I had the first couple of weeks was that I could hardly wake up. I could shut of my alarm after eight hours of sleep and still sleep for hours after that… my bed would just call to me with some sort of siren song thing…   That was the only problem I had with weight gain, I felt like a giant slug and didn’t want to move much. It has gotten a lot better in that regard. In fact, I would say that if you’re someone with anxiety, Serzone doesn’t add the tense jittery feeling that Wellbutrin seemed to for me. That is definitely only my opinion.  On another note, I have been lurking about eight months here, and I appreciate being able to read what everyone posts here. Every single one of you is important to those of us who reads these posts but hasn’t gotten to the point of interacting here. Thanks to all of you and good luck to everyone. The quiet one. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so  I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great  motivation!)   P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron,  So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it.  I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam

Back in my NIMH days, I was put on Serzone for a while. I can’t say that it did much of anything, for good or for ill. Craig

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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so  I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!)   P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron,  So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it.  I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam

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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!)   P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron,  So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it.  I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam

Pam, I took 100 to 150 mg of Serzone along with 40 mg of Paxil per day for almost two years.  I used the Serzone to try to help me sleep, which it did, but because it was mixed with the Paxil, I can’t isolate what it did for me besides helping me to sleep better.

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I too went from Remeron to Serzone but for different reasons.  The first couple of months on Serzone I couldn’t stand the sight of food. That’s the good part.  The bad part was that it made me very nervous and irritable.  I stuck it out and by month 3 I was feeling pretty good and the sp was tolerable. Unfortunatly I also got my appetite back (w/o weight gain)  Sad to say I developed a serious side effect after 6 months and had to quit taking it.  So it’s back to hit and miss with the meds again.  I hope you have good luck with it.                     Gina * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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wrote: That happens when they find out I’m a cheap date! You what??? (What are you on today? I think I want some.) — Connie=^..^= : i love you : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : True, true! : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : You’d have fun with that ! : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : — : Connie=^..^= : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : i like a babbler , : : check out my track record around here . : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : Heck, : : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a : : shot, and I’ll pass out. : : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but  I : take : : it : : : : before : : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : : : effects : : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

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True, true! And I have no brain to mouth filter. You’d have fun with that ! And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca

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I took it for almost 2 yrs. It worked for the insomnia, but towards the end , it gave me hot flashes and daytime drowsiness. "Erleichda" <70471.1…@compuserve.com

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I see, you like it when they’re passed out? — Connie=^..^= "Ian" <i…@ian.net

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Could you had gotten any less? — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca

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i expected nothing less On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:44:52 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

wrote: hmm, a rhetorical question with an answer. You trying to trick me into thinking again? Ain’t gonna work this time, pal — Connie=^..^= : then your question has an answer : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:15:43 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : I know you’re fine. : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : : ok , f…@pris.ca : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 03:52:14 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : ok, what? : : My, you’re agreeable today! : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : ok : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:53:48 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : : : mee too! : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : i love you : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : : : : : : : : : True, true! : : : : : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : : : : : You’d have fun with that ! : : : : : : : : : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : : : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : : : : : i like a babbler , : : : : : : check out my track record around here . : : : : : : : : : : :

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hmm, a rhetorical question with an answer. You trying to trick me into thinking again? Ain’t gonna work this time, pal — Connie=^..^= : then your question has an answer : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:15:43 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

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then your question has an answer On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:15:43 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

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ok , f…@pris.ca On Wed, 15 May 2002 03:52:14 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

wrote: ok, what? My, you’re agreeable today! — Connie=^..^= : ok : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:53:48 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : mee too! : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : i love you : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : : : True, true! : : : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : : : You’d have fun with that ! : : : : : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : i like a babbler , : : : : check out my track record around here .

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ok, what? My, you’re agreeable today! — Connie=^..^= : ok : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:53:48 GMT, "ConnieKat" : :

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wrote: mee too! — Connie=^..^= : : : i love you : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : True, true! : : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : : You’d have fun with that ! : : : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : i like a babbler , : : : check out my track record around here . : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : Heck, : : : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : : : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me : a : : : shot, and I’ll pass out. : : : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost : no : : : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I : : take : : : it : : : : : before : : : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for : chronic : : : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and : side : : : : effects : : : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

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i like a babbler , check out my track record around here . On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

wrote: Heck, Half a beer, and I’m drunk. Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a shot, and I’ll pass out. Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! — Connie=^..^= : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : if you break it in half . : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : — : Connie=^..^= : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : well it did that to me , : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but  I take it : : before : : : I go to sleep. : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : insomnia. : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : effects : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

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i love you On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

wrote: True, true! And I have no brain to mouth filter. You’d have fun with that ! And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : i like a babbler , : check out my track record around here . : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : Heck, : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a : shot, and I’ll pass out. : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but  I take : it : : : before : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : : effects : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

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Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for chronic insomnia. Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side effects you might have experienced.

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I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but  I take it before I go to sleep. I like being on it. — Connie=^..^= : Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for chronic : insomnia. : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side effects : you might have experienced. :

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Is that what’s causing it? I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. — Connie=^..^= : i tried it , but didn’t like , : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

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wrote: Is that what’s causing it? I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. — Connie=^..^= : i tried it , but didn’t like , : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but  I take it before : I go to sleep. : I like being on it. : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for chronic : : insomnia. : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side effects : : you might have experienced. : : : : :

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wrote: I think mine is not from Serzone. Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : well it did that to me , : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : Is that what’s causing it? : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but  I take it : before : : I go to sleep. : : I like being on it. : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone?  It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : insomnia. : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side effects : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : :

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Heck, Half a beer, and I’m drunk. Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a shot, and I’ll pass out. Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! — Connie=^..^= : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : if you break it in half . : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net

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I have crohn’s and I have been taking propranolol for essential tremor for 3 years now.  I have not noticed any side effects. I assume by your phrase "the opposite of the usual" that you mean constipation as opposed to diarreha.  I have always been constipated so maybe that’s why I don’t notice it. Before you buy.

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Hello, Is anyone taking this besides me? I take it for essential tremors and for the first time in over 20 years my hand writing is readable. There are some side effects with my crohns which are just the opposite of the normal side effects. Thanks, Ricko in KY

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I take it sometimes before performances and have never had any problems. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Is anyone taking this besides me? I take it for essential tremors and for the first time in over 20 years my hand writing is readable. There are some side effects with my crohns which are just the opposite of the normal side effects. Thanks, Ricko in KY I used to take it, but stopped when my intestinal disease became unbearable. Too many pills to take, sick anyway, don’t need anymore pills. —- stevenscott

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HI ITS ME AMY AGAIN, THANKS TO ALL  WHO HELPED ME BEFORE THIS CHAT LINE IS A GOD SENT, ANYWAY IM NOW ON ZOLOFT AND STILL WEENING OFF PROZAC, I FEEL SOOOO SHITTY TIRED, HEART PALPS AND DIZZY, IS THIS NORMAL AND HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THESE   SYMTOMS  AMD WHEN DOES IT GET BETTER THANKS TO ALL

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HI ITS ME AMY AGAIN, THANKS TO ALL  WHO HELPED ME BEFORE THIS CHAT LINE IS A GOD SENT, ANYWAY IM NOW ON ZOLOFT AND STILL WEENING OFF PROZAC, I FEEL SOOOO SHITTY TIRED, HEART PALPS AND DIZZY, IS THIS NORMAL AND HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THESE   SYMTOMS  AMD WHEN DOES IT GET BETTER THANKS TO ALL

Are you taking a benzo…I got tired from Xanax, but not Zoloft…The heart palps and dizziness are signs of anxiety…I would suspect that perhaps you have  the classic additional anxiety that you get when starting a new AD…I had tremors and other side-effects with Zoloft that increased my anxiety…This went away for the most part inside of a week, and continued to disapear in the following weeks… Best, — Charles Phipps

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?

This all gets so confusing to me as I once was on K alone but can’t say that that caused my depression.  I read alot about this side effect and guess I never paid attention for direct cause and effect. What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)?

I take a low dose of PAxil and now Xanax as well and things don’t really feel that much different to me.  I have my good and bad days.  I have never heard of taking an SRI to counteract a benzo – have heard the reverse tho. I certainly wouldn’t take an SRI for that – as there are many other benzos to choose from without this noted side effect. Gwen

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

I have heard that Klonopin can aggravate depression in a "small" percentage of people.  People have also reported depression, as a side effect to placebo.  Sometimes as much as 3%.  So without knowing the percentages of reported depression with Klonopin vs. placebo, it is almost the same as having no information at all. I was on an SSRI, before ever taking Klonopin.  I noted less depression after taking it, as my depression was situational.  I was depressed because I was having 3-4 full blown panic attacks per day.  When the PA’s stopped, from taking the Klonopin, my mood improved dramatically. — Kiesha Van Dyke To e-mail, remove ** from address.

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I was on an SSRI, before ever taking Klonopin.  I noted less depression after taking it, as my depression was situational.  I was depressed because I was having 3-4 full blown panic attacks per day.  When the PA’s stopped, from taking the Klonopin, my mood improved dramatically. —

I have to agree with you here, Kiesha.  I didn’t go the SSRI first route – but being out of control on the panic was certainly depressing as hell and I truly believe if the docs had increased the benzos as first choice – I wouldn’t be saddled with Paxil now.  I know from my experience that being free of panic makes me jubillant beyond beleif.  I wish more docs tried THAT route first before jumping on the SSRI bandwagon. Gwen

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hi Matt – Well – I think Gorman may be right.  My experience has been that adding an SSRI *has* eliminated the depression I felt when taking Klonopin (4-4.5mg/day) alone. (Added Zoloft).  This is for primary social phobia, secondary mild depression.  I think the Klonopin *may* aggrevate my mild depression some. Zoloft 50mg + K worked well except side effects – VERY tired and sex side effects from Zoloft. Nardil 45mg + K worked well too – less side effects, except add in food restrictions. Luvox + K felt awful. JR

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hi Matt – Well – I think Gorman may be right.  My experience has been that adding an SSRI *has* eliminated the depression I felt when taking Klonopin (4-4.5mg/day) alone. (Added Zoloft).  This is for primary social phobia, secondary mild depression.  I think the Klonopin *may* aggrevate my mild depression some. Zoloft 50mg + K worked well except side effects – VERY tired and sex side effects from Zoloft. Nardil 45mg + K worked well too – less side effects, except add in food restrictions. Luvox + K felt awful. JR   JR

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In _The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_, Jack Gorman says that it has been reported that Klonopin causes depression.  Anyone have any experience with this side effect?  What about those taking it with an SSRI, for depression (the thought being that the SSRI might "insulate" against this potential side effect)? Thanks for your help. Matt

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