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Well here I am again, stormy weather, thunder storms, tornados, high humidity.  Home again home again jiggity jig.  I feel as though I have an ace bandage wrapped around my lungs, if only I could loosen those thingies, I could take a whole breath.  Theo-dur, zyrtec, flovent 220, combivent, asthmacort in the nose, eye drops, air conditioning, air filters, whats left?  A bubble?  I am so tired all of the time,  I’m tired of being tired. Sorry!  JUST VENTING!!  My head hurts, my throat hurts, my ears hurt, my lungs hurt, I look like that kids Mom on the smoking commercial.  I NEVER SMOKED !  NOT FAIR!!  oh well……

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Sonara, I really think breathing to moisten the deeper airways would help. I have a similar problem with rain even in warm weather.  Nose breathing helps remove particulates and I inspire smartly before slowly expiring (not through pursed lips but) as you are able (given your state of distress etc.) The moist air from the air sacs seems to sooth and remoisten these dry airways on the way out.  If this is the problem it will get easier to do even slower after a few minutes and with practice. Its ironic but high humidity does seem to interfere with the moistening of the deeper airways inducing bronchospasm. Reports that this technique can increase O2 saturation in some individuals is also encouraging. Bill not a doctor.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well here I am again, stormy weather, thunder storms, tornados, high humidity.  Home again home again jiggity jig.  I feel as though I have an ace bandage wrapped around my lungs, if only I could loosen those thingies, I could take a whole breath.  Theo-dur, zyrtec, flovent 220, combivent, asthmacort in the nose, eye drops, air conditioning, air filters, whats left?  A bubble?  I am so tired all of the time,  I’m tired of being tired. Sorry!  JUST VENTING!!  My head hurts, my throat hurts, my ears hurt, my lungs hurt, I look like that kids Mom on the smoking commercial.  I NEVER SMOKED !  NOT FAIR!!  oh well……

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At 3 puffs of Flovent 110 daily (i.e. daily dose of 330 mcg.), I experience significant dysphonia ( hoarseness) At 2 puffs of Flovent 220 daily (i.e. daily dose of 440 mcg.), I experience no dysphonia I have observed this repeatedly over 2 years of daily use. Has anyone else had this experience? Perhaps others with dysphonia on Flovent 110 might try the 220. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Hi, that certainly is a very interesting piece of information, and I am eager to try this "experiment".  Thanks for sharing.

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Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) Are these rebuildable? It looks like it can come apart, and I’m assuming the wire that moves the antenna up and down is broken on the new(er) one. If I can take 2 and make one then I would be happy, but am not sure if I’m wasting my time. Auto parts stores have generic ones that don’t fit most vehicles. The factory one is much simpler to re/re. (Much easier than I thought it would be.) I haven’t tried the dealer yet, as most parts from my year have been discontinued. Thanks, Daniel

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Some power antennas can be repaired. Many have a slender toothed rod or strip inside. The motor catches the teeth in the strip and runs the antenna up and down. You may be able to build one good antenna from the two.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) Are these rebuildable? It looks like it can come apart, and I’m assuming the wire that moves the antenna up and down is broken on the new(er) one. If I can take 2 and make one then I would be happy, but am not sure if I’m wasting my time. Auto parts stores have generic ones that don’t fit most vehicles. The factory one is much simpler to re/re. (Much easier than I thought it would be.) I haven’t tried the dealer yet, as most parts from my year have been discontinued. Thanks, Daniel

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GM sells a mast repair kit for most of their antennas.  I think I paid about $20 last time I had to buy one, as opposed to about $100 for an entire new antenna assembly.  You just have to remove and disassemble the antenna and install the new plastic "wire" that raises and lowers the mast. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) Are these rebuildable? It looks like it can come apart, and I’m assuming the wire that moves the antenna up and down is broken on the new(er) one. If I can take 2 and make one then I would be happy, but am not sure if I’m wasting my time. Auto parts stores have generic ones that don’t fit most vehicles. The factory one is much simpler to re/re. (Much easier than I thought it would be.) I haven’t tried the dealer yet, as most parts from my year have been discontinued. Thanks, Daniel

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GM sells a mast repair kit for most of their antennas.  I think I paid about $20 last time I had to buy one, as opposed to about $100 for an entire new antenna assembly.  You just have to remove and disassemble the antenna and install the new plastic "wire" that raises and lowers the mast. Mike

I just went through this with my girlfriends Buick.  Autozone listed a power antenna direct replacement for this one for about $50. NAPA had an adaptor which allows ordinary antennae to be installed and connected to the unusual power antenna connector.  I used the ordinary antenna. NAPA also had the mast repair kits to fix the old units.

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There is a limit switch on the internal mechanism that senses the position of the staff, this is probably bent or broken, very common on those units, short of a new ass’y, you would need a couple of old ones to use all the parts to make one good one, they don’t have to be from a Cadillac, only the mt. bkts are different.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) Are these rebuildable? It looks like it can come apart, and I’m assuming the wire that moves the antenna up and down is broken on the new(er) one. If I can take 2 and make one then I would be happy, but am not sure if I’m wasting my time. Auto parts stores have generic ones that don’t fit most vehicles. The factory one is much simpler to re/re. (Much easier than I thought it would be.) I haven’t tried the dealer yet, as most parts from my year have been discontinued. Thanks, Daniel

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Well, The dealer doesn’t stock the mast repair kits anymore, and all they have is a "universal" kit as well. $220!! What a pain. I’ll try NAPA tomorrow and see if they have anything. Most auto parts places around here just have the universal fits. Hopefully NAPA has a *repair* kit. Thanks for all the replies, Daniel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a limit switch on the internal mechanism that senses the position of the staff, this is probably bent or broken, very common on those units, short of a new ass’y, you would need a couple of old ones to use all the parts to make one good one, they don’t have to be from a Cadillac, only the mt. bkts are different. Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) Are these rebuildable? It looks like it can come apart, and I’m assuming the wire that moves the antenna up and down is broken on the new(er) one. If I can take 2 and make one then I would be happy, but am not sure if I’m wasting my time. Auto parts stores have generic ones that don’t fit most vehicles. The factory one is much simpler to re/re. (Much easier than I thought it would be.) I haven’t tried the dealer yet, as most parts from my year have been discontinued. Thanks, Daniel —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.)

In my Honda, I had the same problem… It was a really wet day, and when I shut off my radio, the antenna comes down and once it’s fully retracted, the motor keeps on going. and it wouldn’t stop. I had to remove the fuse b/c it was really loud! anyways, I took it apart, and there was a relay with 3 wires connected to it. +, -. Blue Radio Wire. Most likely, your relay is broken or cracked and water is shorting it. depending on how skillful you are, you can goto a electronics store and buy the same part. you will have to do some soddering.

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Broken cord assemblies are the common cause for this problem in GM automobiles. Don’t overlook calling an AC-Delco distributor if there is one near your location.  They stock many parts, and that is where I was last able to get the nylon cord assembly, about two years ago.  I did find the number in the GM catalog though, I wish I still had it so I could give it to you. The local company here is Rowerdink.  www.rowerdink.com Worth a try, if you are still looking.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) In my Honda, I had the same problem… It was a really wet day, and when I shut off my radio, the antenna comes down and once it’s fully retracted, the motor keeps on going. and it wouldn’t stop. I had to remove the fuse b/c it was really loud! anyways, I took it apart, and there was a relay with 3 wires connected to it. +, -. Blue Radio Wire. Most likely, your relay is broken or cracked and water is shorting it. depending on how skillful you are, you can goto a electronics store and buy the same part. you will have to do some soddering.

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These units are probably the same thru several years if you can find one from a wrecked 79-83 Caddie or any GM car for that matter that used the power unit. Roy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) In my Honda, I had the same problem… It was a really wet day, and when I shut off my radio, the antenna comes down and once it’s fully retracted, the motor keeps on going. and it wouldn’t stop. I had to remove the fuse b/c it was really loud! anyways, I took it apart, and there was a relay with 3 wires connected to it. +, -. Blue Radio Wire. Most likely, your relay is broken or cracked and water is shorting it. depending on how skillful you are, you can goto a electronics store and buy the same part. you will have to do some soddering.

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I’m a used auto dealer and these things are a real pain.  I have gone to the junk yard and removed a manual mast antenna from a GM car and installed it in place of the power one.  If you are careful you can get one that mounts up nearly exactly to the original and your problems are over.  Usually on late model Caddys I do replace the entire assembly though…just because it’s a Caddy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) Are these rebuildable? It looks like it can come apart, and I’m assuming the wire that moves the antenna up and down is broken on the new(er) one. If I can take 2 and make one then I would be happy, but am not sure if I’m wasting my time. Auto parts stores have generic ones that don’t fit most vehicles. The factory one is much simpler to re/re. (Much easier than I thought it would be.) I haven’t tried the dealer yet, as most parts from my year have been discontinued. Thanks, Daniel

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Hey thanks! They have a few in stock. All I gotta do is wait till payday and see how much shipping costs to Canada. The dealers around here can’t get them anymore. Daniel

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Broken cord assemblies are the common cause for this problem in GM automobiles. Don’t overlook calling an AC-Delco distributor if there is one near your location.  They stock many parts, and that is where I was last able to get the nylon cord assembly, about two years ago.  I did find the number in the GM catalog though, I wish I still had it so I could give it to you. The local company here is Rowerdink.  www.rowerdink.com Worth a try, if you are still looking. Hello, 1981 Cadillac DeVille – The power antenna has issues. In fact, the motor just whirs continuously when plugged in. (The antenna was broken off this one.) I went to a salvage yard and found another one with an antenna, but this has the same problem as the original (motors engages, won’t shut off.) In my Honda, I had the same problem… It was a really wet day, and when I shut off my radio, the antenna comes down and once it’s fully retracted, the motor keeps on going. and it wouldn’t stop. I had to remove the fuse b/c it was really loud! anyways, I took it apart, and there was a relay with 3 wires connected to it. +, -. Blue Radio Wire. Most likely, your relay is broken or cracked and water is shorting it. depending on how skillful you are, you can goto a electronics store and buy the same part. you will have to do some soddering.

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I had similar problem in my ‘87 DeVille.  The fix is more of a PITA than I care for, so my solution was to extend the antenna and pull the fuse….. Watching the antenna go up/down was as impressive as it use to be anyway….LOL Cheap ‘fix’…. Dave S

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Oh you poor soul.  No one should have the daily pain that you have.  Does your doctor ever tell you about anti- seizure drugs like Neurontin, etc.?  I was having daily headaches (always started at 5:00 p.m.).  I am also bipolar and when my psychiatrist prescribed Neurontin and ramped me up to 800 mg four times a day, the headaches mysteriously went away.  They started getting less painful until one day I noticed, they were just gone.  I do have the beginning of migraines about once a month, or when I get blasted by loud noise or bright flickering lights, but with the Neurontin, a Bellamine-S and Esgic Plus pretty much nip it in the bud. Neurontin carries very few side effects, maybe you will sleep a lot better, and the few it does have. your body gets used to. I told my doctor once, "We who have migraines–if you would offer us a million dollars or to never have another headache, we would take the never have another headache."  His face showed that he finally understood our plight. I sincerely hope you can find something that works for you.  BTW, the Neurontin is good for nerve pain other places, too.  You poor thing.  You don’t deserve this. Val in Boise

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Chuck,     I am  in the same situation I have had nonstop pain in my head too I’m on my 9th year of this.I am 30, and when I had my 3rd{last} child afterward I just started having pain that was sheer h*!!. It just kept intensifying,.I am usually  pretty nauseas for a lot of the time. I am taking Phenerghan for it. I am so sensitive to many medications. Ones that don’t work,or makeme worse  etc. . I have pain through my whole body. I have Fibromyalgia, Where you hurt at the pressure points located throughout your body. I have Neuropathy as well which is like going around droppingthings, or mylegs just give out, when walking.  I alsohave Rheaumatoid  Arthritis I can tell whenwe are going toget bad weather. Because ofmy body hurting so bad.  You mightbeable to doa google search and type in  diferent words, ya know like Chronic Pain.. Here  is a link if you’re interested inchecking it out. Its not only for people suffering, but for the ones that see them and feel bad about it. Their’ friend or family member or anyone else. It is a wonderful support group. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chronicpainstories/   I hope that things start getting better for everyone!!!  Ican’t wait till we get warm weather again.  We are getting ready tobuild an edition on to our trailer. When we get done it will look just like an average house. Wegot some footers dug a little. I am notgoing to be able todo too much, because ofbeing disabled. I’m under drs.orders to not drive. That sucks. I get auras where everything gets pitch black or blinding excruciating bright white. Imostly wear  sunglasses. So depressed. But hey I’m dealing withit. Starting to stand up , take action. For ourrights,For  the DEA to quit sticking their noses where they don’t belong. It is all of ourdutyto speak up. They are trying totake pain medicine away from everyone suffering to the point of needing toget treated by drs. Take care Chuck, and everyone else reading this. A friend of mine has had an intense headache for the last 3 years – it varies in intensity, but on a scale from 1 – 10 he’s averaging a 7. It started suddenly and never stops. He often has attacks (3 or 4 a week) where the headache quickly get worse, and he passes out from the pain and is totally unresponsive. Before this happens, he usually complains that his arm hurts. He’s gone to tonnes of doctors – neurologists, dieticians, psychiatrists, accupuncture, tried diets to eliminate food groups and allergens, had MRI’s and cat scans and spinal taps. Tried all sorts of drugs –  morphine and other pain killers, anti-siezure, etc. Nothing has helped and no one has any idea what’s going on. He’s healthy otherwise and very rarely had headaches before this one. Anyone have any similar experiences, or helpful suggestions? Chuck A friend of mine has had an intense headache for the last 3 years – it varies in intensity, but on a scale from 1 – 10 he’s averaging a 7. It started suddenly and never stops. He often has attacks (3 or 4 a week) where the headache quickly get worse, and he passes out from the pain and is totally unresponsive. Before this happens, he usually complains that his arm hurts. He’s gone to tonnes of doctors – neurologists, dieticians, psychiatrists, accupuncture, tried diets to eliminate food groups and allergens, had MRI’s and cat scans and spinal taps. Tried all sorts of drugs –  morphine and other pain killers, anti-siezure, etc. Nothing has helped and no one has any idea what’s going on. He’s healthy otherwise and very rarely had headaches before this one. Anyone have any similar experiences, or helpful suggestions? Chuck A friend of mine has had an intense headache for the last 3 years – it varies in intensity, but on a scale from 1 – 10 he’s averaging a 7. It started suddenly and never stops. He often has attacks (3 or 4 a week) where the headache quickly get worse, and he passes out from the pain and is totally unresponsive. Before this happens, he usually complains that his arm hurts. He’s gone to tonnes of doctors – neurologists, dieticians, psychiatrists, accupuncture, tried diets to eliminate food groups and allergens, had MRI’s and cat scans and spinal taps. Tried all sorts of drugs –  morphine and other pain killers, anti-siezure, etc. Nothing has helped and no one has any idea what’s going on. He’s healthy otherwise and very rarely had headaches before this one. Anyone have any similar experiences, or helpful suggestions?

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Neurontin carries very few side effects, maybe you will sleep a lot better, and the few it does have. your body gets used to.

Hi Val, I too have fibromyalgia and at one point my doc prescribed neurontin, it seems to be the drug of choice for prevention and control of fms symptoms. However, recently there were 2 class action lawsuit against the manufacturers of Neurontin.  It seems that one of the side effects of this drug is suicidal (or homicidal depending on your state of mind I guess) tendencies.  since one of the problems of fms is major clinical depression it is something that shouldn’t be taken lightly.  I’d talk to your doc about weighing the benefits. The second lawsuit has to do with the fact that 80% of the neurontin prescriptions were for conditions that the drug was not approved for.  I’m including a statement here about that.  You can also do a search for neurontin lawsuit and read a little more about it. Hate to be the bearer of bad news Good Luck, Karen Neurontin lawsuit Neurontin – Neurontin was approved for sale in the mid-1990s as a treatment for epileptic seizures. However it is believed that approximately 80 percent of all Neurontin prescriptions were filled for unapproved medical conditions. Neurontin is also believed to be linked to suicidal behavior. It is believed that Parke-Davis which was acquired by Pfizer in 2000 had a systematic strategy to market and promote Neurontin for untested uses, such as chronic pain, bipolar disorder and migraine. It is not illegal for a doctor to prescribe a drug for unapproved conditions, however it is illegal for a drug company to market a medication for unapproved uses. In July 2003, Dateline broadcasted an investigation which accused Parke-Davis of deliberately falsifying medical information about Neurontin so doctors would prescribe the drug to treat "off-label" conditions. State and Federal prosecutors have launched investigations into the allegedly illegal marketing of Neurontin. In its year-long investigation, Dateline interviewed a former Parke-Davis scientist who alleges company officials encouraged him to persuade physicians to prescribe Neurontin for a number of disorders, including attention deficit disorder and bipolar disease, even though there was minimal preliminary data indicating that Neurontin could help patients with those diseases. In May 2003, The US attorney’s office in Boston said in court documents that the drug company Parke-Davis, now Pfizer, gave illegal kickbacks to doctors, including trips to Puerto Rico and tickets to the 1996 Summer Olympics, to prescribe what has become the nation’s best-selling anticonvulsant, Neurontin. Below is a list of the unapproved conditions that Neurontin was marketed to treat: The 11 illegally promoted unapproved uses for Neurontin are: *Bipolar Disorder *Pain Syndromes, Peripheral Neuropathy, and Diabetic Neuropathy *Treatment of Epilepsy alone (as monotherapy) *Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD) *Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) *Restless Leg Syndrome (RLS) *Trigeminal Neuralgia *Post-Hepatic Neuralgia (PHN) *Essential Tremor Periodic Limb Movement *Migraine *Drug and Alcohol Withdrawal Seizures

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UnfortunatelyVal,   I   am  already on it. I take 1800 mgs. aday,, No help from it.  Thanks though. I’m gladto hearthat they help you  some. Take Care, migraine momma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oh you poor soul.  No one should have the daily pain that you have.  Does your doctor ever tell you about anti- seizure drugs like Neurontin, etc.?  I was having daily headaches (always started at 5:00 p.m.).  I am also bipolar and when my psychiatrist prescribed Neurontin and ramped me up to 800 mg four times a day, the headaches mysteriously went away.  They started getting less painful until one day I noticed, they were just gone.  I do have the beginning of migraines about once a month, or when I get blasted by loud noise or bright flickering lights, but with the Neurontin, a Bellamine-S and Esgic Plus pretty much nip it in the bud. Neurontin carries very few side effects, maybe you will sleep a lot better, and the few it does have. your body gets used to. I told my doctor once, "We who have migraines–if you would offer us a million dollars or to never have another headache, we would take the never have another headache."  His face showed that he finally understood our plight. I sincerely hope you can find something that works for you.  BTW, the Neurontin is good for nerve pain other places, too.  You poor thing.  You don’t deserve this. Val in Boise

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robert, dont reply to this sick troll because I have Steve blocked and whenever you reply to him remnants of his posts show up in my newsreader. Just ignore Steve Robert, Steve is a very mentally ill man who does not realize how mentally ill he is. He is one of these people whose got serious problems but is in denial about it. Its obvious that Steve has some problems. Im too burned out talking about this asshole to go into all the details. You know Steve has got some problems…and I know Steve has got some problems. However I do not think Steve realizes he has got some problems. Again, Im done conversing with Steve and I would encourage you and others to not converse with him either. Just ignore him, ostracize him…eventually he will leave. Eric . My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

I’ll give it a shot, Al, I hate to see the cheap shots against you plus I’m pro med, it keeps me sane. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric.  He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people.  Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve.

I guess Eric feels you need his help to surf safely, Robert!  Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader.

And how is this anyone’s concern, save Eric’s?   Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc.

So, according to Eric, his sister is totally unqualified to say anything http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… If a full psychologist is worthless, why does Eric cite the opinion of a person with just a BS in psychology? Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually.

My word, a person you hold up to be a psychology expert is laughing at the suffering of someone who she is diagnosing as very ill?  What’s wrong with this picture?  Perhaps the only place this meeting took place was in Eric’s tortured and defective brain.  Are we to believe that a psychology expert, such as the person Eric holds up will after a few minutes study of internet posts make a serious diagnosis of a severe mental illness?  What’s wrong with this picture?  She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion.

Please post the EXACT posts of mine which form the basis for this diagnosis, please Eric.  As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA,

Eric denied the many posts I put up about this unusual, but by no means rare fact.  Please go back to my old posts this summer, or read www.ect.org.  along with his constant talking about lobotomies,

Which I mainly mention to defend Eric’s nemesis, Dr. Peter Breggin, or to point out how modified versions of the procedure are being performed at Harvard’s mental hospital, McLean.  "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry.

Here Eric seems to be implying that since he has been a mental patient for four years he is an authority on all aspects of psychiatry! Delusional thinking in MY opinion! http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html Here is an interesting quote from the Yale web site, listed above, on the Gamma Knife: Who can benefit from this treatment? Indications at present include:      * benign tumors such as meningiomas, acoustic neuromas, pituitary adenomas and craniopharyngiomas      * primary or recurrent malignant brain tumors such as astrocytomas or oligodendrogliomas      * solitary and multiple brain metastases      * head and neck tumors such as nasopharyngeal carcinomas and ocular melanomas      * arteriovenous malformations (AVMs)      * trigeminal neuralgia and cluster headaches      * intractable pain secondary to cancer      * movement disorders such as Parkinson’s disease and essential tremor investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies. <http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/graphics/top.gif She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions.

Do list this catalogue of mental illness, would you, Eric.  I am sure it will make interesting, and amusing reading! My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me.

SO then not seeing things as Eric sees them is now defined as a mental illness?  Not surprising for a troubled fellow who evaluates the worth of a drug by the results he obtained during the use thereof, and bases suggestions to other people exclusively upon his limited experience. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert.

In other words, Eric is a liar who has one goal here:  Defense of his dysfunctional belief system based upon a defective brain, rather then taking ANY personal responsibility for his present state. I will grant that the production of propaganda, out of whole cloth, by Eric would have stood him in good stead with Himmler and other proponents of the ‘big lie’ technique. Come to your own conclusions.

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I think I’m going to stay out of this one, drugs saved my sanity and my life, nuff said. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric.  He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people.  Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader.  Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Gee, Robert, sounds like Eric thinks you need his protection.  What do you think? Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc. However Eric has stated time and again that talk therapy is worthless. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&rnum=22&selm=20010327104630.277… Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually. So you sister shares your unique ability to diagnose over the internet, Eric?  Would you care to post the EXACT posts which your totally unqualified, to apply your own standards, sister has reached? She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion. Please post any post which I wrote that would lead to such a conclusion, then please contrast it with a wonderful gem of your own, Eric, like this one:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA, Evidence which I posted to the unusual, but by no means rare practice was ignored by Eric. along with his constant talking about lobotomies, I rarely mention lobotomies, usually to defend Dr. Peter Breggin, who, as Eric agrees, lead the movement to push lobotomy from the mainstream of psychiatric practice, and limit it to places such as Harvard Universities mental hospital, McLean Hospital. "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry. So by being a severely depressed mental patient Eric is by some mystical form of osmosis to learn of every aspect of psychiatry?  And he accuses me of thought disorders! http://193.132.197.83/ContentInternational.nsf?Open Pay special attention to the Parkinson’s section, please:http://www.nwhgammaknife.com/gamma/conditionsframes/frameset.html and from yale: http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html#who "In addition, the gamma knife is being used as an investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric disease. Patients referred to the Yale-New Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies." Finding this information took me less then 5 minutes.  I am sure that Eric is an experienced web user who could duplicate my efforts in about the same amount of time. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions. Do share with us the results of your sisters diagnosis, Eric.  Do tell us the many delusions from which I suffer. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert. In other words, Robert, Eric is a liar who will even invent material from whole cloth to serve his ends, which to me seem to perpetuate the dysfunctional belief system he functions under, due to fear to face his inner demons. But thats just my opinion!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric.  He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people.  Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader.  Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state.

Gee, Robert, sounds like Eric thinks you need his protection.  What do you think?  Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc.

However Eric has stated time and again that talk therapy is worthless. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&rnum=22&selm=20010327104630.277… Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually.

So you sister shares your unique ability to diagnose over the internet, Eric?  Would you care to post the EXACT posts which your totally unqualified, to apply your own standards, sister has reached?  She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion.

Please post any post which I wrote that would lead to such a conclusion, then please contrast it with a wonderful gem of your own, Eric, like this one:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA,

Evidence which I posted to the unusual, but by no means rare practice was ignored by Eric.  along with his constant talking about lobotomies,

I rarely mention lobotomies, usually to defend Dr. Peter Breggin, who, as Eric agrees, lead the movement to push lobotomy from the mainstream of psychiatric practice, and limit it to places such as Harvard Universities mental hospital, McLean Hospital.  "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry.

So by being a severely depressed mental patient Eric is by some mystical form of osmosis to learn of every aspect of psychiatry?  And he accuses me of thought disorders! http://193.132.197.83/ContentInternational.nsf?Open Pay special attention to the Parkinson’s section, please:http://www.nwhgammaknife.com/gamma/conditionsframes/frameset.html and from yale: http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html#who "In addition, the gamma knife is being used as an investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric disease. Patients referred to the Yale-New Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies." Finding this information took me less then 5 minutes.  I am sure that Eric is an experienced web user who could duplicate my efforts in about the same amount of time. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions.

Do share with us the results of your sisters diagnosis, Eric.  Do tell us the many delusions from which I suffer. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert.

In other words, Robert, Eric is a liar who will even invent material from whole cloth to serve his ends, which to me seem to perpetuate the dysfunctional belief system he functions under, due to fear to face his inner demons. But thats just my opinion!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The reason I find Eric so dangerous is that he writes with such authority, and unless one is skeptical or has been around the bad, dangerous advice eric gives could hurt other people.  The fact that the basis for Eric to make a decision is solely HIS experience is another reason I comment when his posts are less then accurate. Naturally my writing is my own opinion, I am not a doctor.  Eric, on the other hand seems to believe that being a mental patient for four years gives him some special knowledge which I lack. I disagree, vigorously.

I think your not giving people enough credit, IMHO your persecution of one poster shines a bad light on you. Linda Gore gives statistics without a shred of evidence yet that seems to be ok because she is ant-med. Well the thing is she IMHO is the most fucked up poster here and I bet it’s cause she won’t seek treatment by those nasty meds that are so evil yet give me such solace. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric.  He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people.  Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her.

The reason I find Eric so dangerous is that he writes with such authority, and unless one is skeptical or has been around the bad, dangerous advice eric gives could hurt other people.  The fact that the basis for Eric to make a decision is solely HIS experience is another reason I comment when his posts are less then accurate. Naturally my writing is my own opinion, I am not a doctor.  Eric, on the other hand seems to believe that being a mental patient for four years gives him some special knowledge which I lack. I disagree, vigorously. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric.  He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people.  Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health.

Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader.  Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc. Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually. She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion. As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA, along with his constant talking about lobotomies, "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

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You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare…  which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them  their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought. Yes, a thought…or idea…  which can prey upon your mind…BUT where its an ideation…only..its unaccompanied by the impulse…or desire to act upon the thought…me thinks.. Hope you feel better today…

Thank you, — ~misfit~

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Hi misfit… the SSRI’s  like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some,   most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them…

Cite your sources. Prozac incited the idea in me once…the second time I went on Prozac…and I spent one really terrified coping with such an idea.. after I gotten bad news in the middle of the night…about an uncle who had committed suicide.. and the suggestion  of it…would not leave me…

Runs in the family I see. I called a hotline…and the person who took my call ended up making me so angry…so I hung up..

Anger and getting along with people seam to be trouble for you Linda Gore. I think the thing really helped me…even while I couldnt get the ideas out of my mind…I still knew it was the  Prozac inciting the idea, and not my idea… ..

The fault my dear Brutus is not in our stars but in our selves…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). I am 40 years old, male, and have always tended towards depression, my mother also suffers with it and has been on Prozac for years. I was on Prozac myself about two years ago but only for a couple of months, I had some side-effects that I didn’t like such as profuse sweating, anxiety, insomnia and lowered libido. I entered into a relationship just after that and life got better.  I’ve just (two weeks ago) been released from jail after serving six months for cultivation of cannabis. When I had about one month to go I got a letter from my fiancee saying she was leaving me. Turned out she had an affair with someone she met in a chat room (and I encouraged her to spend time on the net as she was missing me). I’ve been trying to get together with her agian but it’s no-go, she finally told me two days ago.  I have been having suicidal ideations (is that the right word?) to the extent that, yesterday evening I sorted out a length of hose, put it in the car and sat at my puter and wrote a note to leave on the passenger seat. I was just printing the note when a friend called around to visit and ask if he could stay the night on the couch. He has been worried about me. he is taking medication for various things and over the last two weeks I’ve been getting a little Oxezapam off him. I took 75mg last night and the urgency went away. We don’t talk about my feelings a hell of a lot, I have trouble with that face to face (and if/when I top myself I don’t want anyone panicing, trying to stop me). I have a good friend who I’ve never met in person who I have an email relationship with and she knows *exactly* how I feel. She has been very supportive.  This isn’t just one of those "My girlfriend left me and I want to kill myself" situations. My life basically sucks and I credit her (to myself) with keeping me alive these last two years. I’ve been sad and had suicidal t houghts ever since I was a teenager, and a lot more than most.  I honestly don’t feel I have a lot to live for but don’t really want to upset family etc. I’m gonna try to give it a go and have come to the conclusion that I’ll probably need to be medicated for the rest of my life, especially if I want it to be more than a few days. The doctor gave me some Oxezapam today as well as the Paxil, I told her I want something that works now, tonight. She would only give me a little though, 30 x 10 mg and told me only 3 per day.  Basically I s’pose I wondered if anyone has any suggestions for medication. I’m in New Zealand so I may not have the same medications available to me as people in other countries. So yeah, anyone have any ideas? If I’m gonna be in the same mood as I’ve been in for the last 40 years for the rest of my life then I’m not sure I want to go on. Thanks for reading this, — ~misfit~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t be too frightened.  While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common.  It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin.  SSRIs work pretty well for most people. S. suricata I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer.

Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric.  He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people.  Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar.

Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare…  which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them  their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them..  S’cool, like I said, nothing frightens me. And FWIW I agree, it’s better for people to know that it is a known side-effect than for them to solely attribute the feeling to themselves, that way they are less likely to act on it. IMO.

Glad you understood my intent… BTW, please excuse my ignorance but can someone give me a defimition of ‘ideations’ please. I’m sure I know what it means but I’d like to have it defined. LOL, S’okay, I just looked it up: ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought.

Yes, a thought…or idea…  which can prey upon your mind…BUT where its an ideation…only..its unaccompanied by the impulse…or desire to act upon the thought…me thinks.. Hope you feel better today… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers, — ~misfit~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the SSRI’s  like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some,   most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them… Well, it’s possible that SSRI’s cause suicidal ideation in a very small number of people. However, since Misfit already has this problem it would be very hard to tell if they were a side effect or not. I got a different explanation from my pdoc, which accurately describes my experience though I don’t have a paper reference for it offhand. My pdoc said that often people are too depressed to act on suicidal ideation when they start antidepressants. I know I had the ideation, but no energy or will to act on it. Sometimes people get an energy lift from the medication before they get a mood lift, so after starting medication people become more able to actually act out the ideation. Again, this matches my experience. I had the ideation without the antidepressants, but as I started to get a little more energy I became a much more genuine suicide risk. Fortunately, I have been able to get through these parts without, yet, attempting to hurt myself. Bright blessings to you. Fiona

What you say your pdoc told you, Fiona, about AD’s is true of all of them.  People are too depressed to do much, and as the AD’s kick in they are able to muster the strength to act on their desires. The difference with SSRI’s, however, is that SSRI’s are noted to actually induce suicidal ideation where it was not present before.

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You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare…  which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them  their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them..

 S’cool, like I said, nothing frightens me. And FWIW I agree, it’s better for people to know that it is a known side-effect than for them to solely attribute the feeling to themselves, that way they are less likely to act on it. IMO. BTW, please excuse my ignorance but can someone give me a defimition of ‘ideations’ please. I’m sure I know what it means but I’d like to have it defined. LOL, S’okay, I just looked it up: ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought. Cheers, — ~misfit~

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already. Don’t be too frightened.  While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common.  It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin.  SSRIs work pretty well for most people.

Thanks for that, I don’t actually have the enthusiasum to be frightened though. — ~misfit~

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the SSRI’s  like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some,   most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them…

Well, it’s possible that SSRI’s cause suicidal ideation in a very small number of people. However, since Misfit already has this problem it would be very hard to tell if they were a side effect or not. I got a different explanation from my pdoc, which accurately describes my experience though I don’t have a paper reference for it offhand. My pdoc said that often people are too depressed to act on suicidal ideation when they start antidepressants. I know I had the ideation, but no energy or will to act on it. Sometimes people get an energy lift from the medication before they get a mood lift, so after starting medication people become more able to actually act out the ideation. Again, this matches my experience. I had the ideation without the antidepressants, but as I started to get a little more energy I became a much more genuine suicide risk. Fortunately, I have been able to get through these parts without, yet, attempting to hurt myself. Bright blessings to you. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar.

I’m a drug enthusiast, myself, but I see a problem with this line of reasoning.  What you seem to be saying is that SSRIs are safe for us gloomies, but sometimes dangerous for the flip-flop folks.  This would be fine, except that psychiatrists are notoriously bad at diagnosis.  There are no established physical markers to distinguish unipolars from bipolars; not even on autopsy.  So, suppose you’re a bipolar, and you’ve just had your first plunge into the black depths of depression.  In a few months, you’re scheduled to get very happy indeed, but you don’t know that, and neither does the psychiatrist to whom you’ve just been referred.  As far as she’s concerned, you’re depressed, and you agree with her.  You get Prozac as the drug of first choice.  Since you’re actually bipolar, you’re in trouble because this isn’t the drug for you. Of course, if psychiatric diagnosis were infallible, SSRIs would be safe, but it isn’t, so the prudent approach would be to admit that SSRI prescriptions have their risks, no? S. suricata

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That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already.

Don’t be too frightened.  While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common.  It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin.  SSRIs work pretty well for most people. S. suricata

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Hi HerEvilTwin, Thanks for taking the time to reply.  That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already. Thanks again, — ~misfit~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi misfit… the SSRI’s  like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some,   most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them… Prozac incited the idea in me once…the second time I went on Prozac…and I spent one really terrified coping with such an idea.. after I gotten bad news in the middle of the night…about an uncle who had committed suicide.. and the suggestion  of it…would not leave me… I called a hotline…and the person who took my call ended up making me so angry…so I hung up.. I think the thing really helped me…even while I couldnt get the ideas out of my mind…I still knew it was the  Prozac inciting the idea, and not my idea…

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Hi and Welcome to the ng,  Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). snipped… There are many ADs available. The Paxil will take about 3 weeks to work. I hope you feel better soon.

Hi Lynda, thanks for the welcome and the good wishes. — ~misfit~

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 Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). I am 40 years old, male, and have always tended towards depression, my mother also suffers with it and has been on Prozac for years. I was on Prozac myself about two years ago but only for a couple of months, I had some side-effects that I didn’t like such as profuse sweating, anxiety, insomnia and lowered libido. I entered into a relationship just after that and life got better.  I’ve just (two weeks ago) been released from jail after serving six months for cultivation of cannabis. When I had about one month to go I got a letter from my fiancee saying she was leaving me. Turned out she had an affair with someone she met in a chat room (and I encouraged her to spend time on the net as she was missing me). I’ve been trying to get together with her agian but it’s no-go, she finally told me two days ago.  I have been having suicidal ideations (is that the right word?) to the extent that, yesterday evening I sorted out a length of hose, put it in the car and sat at my puter and wrote a note to leave on the passenger seat. I was just printing the note when a friend called around to visit and ask if he could stay the night on the couch. He has been worried about me. he is taking medication for various things and over the last two weeks I’ve been getting a little Oxezapam off him. I took 75mg last night and the urgency went away. We don’t talk about my feelings a hell of a lot, I have trouble with that face to face (and if/when I top myself I don’t want anyone panicing, trying to stop me). I have a good friend who I’ve never met in person who I have an email relationship with and she knows *exactly* how I feel. She has been very supportive.  This isn’t just one of those "My girlfriend left me and I want to kill myself" situations. My life basically sucks and I credit her (to myself) with keeping me alive these last two years. I’ve been sad and had suicidal t houghts ever since I was a teenager, and a lot more than most.  I honestly don’t feel I have a lot to live for but don’t really want to upset family etc. I’m gonna try to give it a go and have come to the conclusion that I’ll probably need to be medicated for the rest of my life, especially if I want it to be more than a few days. The doctor gave me some Oxezapam today as well as the Paxil, I told her I want something that works now, tonight. She would only give me a little though, 30 x 10 mg and told me only 3 per day.  Basically I s’pose I wondered if anyone has any suggestions for medication. I’m in New Zealand so I may not have the same medications available to me as people in other countries. So yeah, anyone have any ideas? If I’m gonna be in the same mood as I’ve been in for the last 40 years for the rest of my life then I’m not sure I want to go on. Thanks for reading this, — ~misfit~

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Hi and Welcome to the ng,  Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day).

snipped… There are many ADs available. The Paxil will take about 3 weeks to work. I hope you feel better soon. Peace, Lynda

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Worn_Out,  you seem to be feeling a little better, are you?  hopefully  

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I am doing better.  My wife says I am talking more & I have started kidding with my 24 year old daughter, again.  I think the tofranil is helping & I am on my third week on testosterone injections. I have decided that bi-polar disorder is forever.  I woke up this morning in very bad shape, but have gotten over it.  Somehow we must all manage to survive because the bad times come and go and if things are bad now, they WILL get better. Thanks Worn_Out,  you seem to be feeling a little better, are you? hopefully

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What % of manic depressives commit suicide?

I have heard that one in five commit suicide, but I wouldn’t swear by it. I hope you find a treatment that works for you. The future brings us the hope of new drugs and new treatments. Web Page at: www.robertpo.com For email replies remove the ****

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What % of manic depressives commit suicide? I have heard that one in five commit suicide, but I wouldn’t swear by it. I hope you find a treatment that works for you. The future brings us the hope of new drugs and new treatments. Web Page at: www.robertpo.com For email replies remove the ****

I’ve seen studies that showed that 1 in 5 bipolars who refused treatment committed suicide. But…these were bipolars sick enough that they had been hospitalized, that’s where they were found for the study. Also, it stands to reason that those who refuse treatment are sicker with more personality problems than average. Also, these were people who were hospitalized in public hospitals, which again indicates that they were sicker…someone in a private hospital probably has been able to work until recently, and hasn’t alienated or shoved away family and friends yet. Still, taking your meds and working with your doctor is the best way to keep from getting worse…and worse can be very, very bad.

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Paxil worked for me. Not to high though-Reached an even – level of comfort. It sounds like you have to find a MD (preferably, a psychopharmacologist) who knows how to mix different combinations of drugs. Don’t lose hope, though.  If you do you start asking questions about suicide, and you might have to live it all again in the next life.  At this point, paying for drugs is a bigger problem for the long haul than taking them.  Any advice? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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At this point, paying for drugs is a bigger problem for the long haul than taking them.  Any advice?

I have been started on Tofranil/Imipramine and my pharmacy dispensed it in its generic form.  Instead of paying a copay of $7.00 for the name brand I pay $2.00 for the generic.  The book, "The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs", shows that the name brand would be $.62/pill and the generic would be $.05/pill (the book was published in 1990). If this is still true, a great deal can be saved by buying generic, if possible. The book, "The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs", by Jack M. Gorman, MD. is the best help in this area that I have found.  If you can find a recent edition, I highly reccomend it. Good luck! Before you buy.

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Drop trou Nihil  You know you get a spanking for saying bad stuff like that. Bend over,  ten whacks with the leather strap. 1   *[SMACK]*      ( oouch) 2   *[WACK]*         (stop) 3   *[CRACK]*        ( I take it back,  please stop) Let those warm yer buns a while,  I’ll fix you a few fresh ones in a bit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? Personally, I think that Doctor Kevorkian, whom I consider to be a Saint, has the best treatment.

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Everyone is different.  Tell me what you’ve tried, kay?  Also, let me know what your additional symptoms are, etc.  Have you had partial relief with certain drugs? There may be treatments that are better for BPI and treatments that are better for BPII.  A lot of people take different drug cocktails, as I’m sure you know.  A friend of mine is on lithium AND neurontin, among other things. I’ve been on lots of diff. stuff simultaneously: buspar, trazodone, klonopin, prozac, lithium, depakote, and neurontin are the bulk of the things I’ve been on.  Are you taking an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer? -bpkittycat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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I am now on Tofranil and Lithobid. I have had about 35 ECT treatments (unilateral and bilateral). I have been on: Xanax Elavil Dexedrine Anafranil Welbutrin Buspar Tegretol Librium Valium Effexor Prozac Tofranil Librium Eskalith Ritalin Nardil Serzone Pamelor Parnate Paxil Prozac Risperdal Zoloft Xanax Thyroid Hormone Testosterone I appreciate your interest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Everyone is different.  Tell me what you’ve tried, kay?  Also, let me know what your additional symptoms are, etc.  Have you had partial relief with certain drugs? There may be treatments that are better for BPI and treatments that are better for BPII.  A lot of people take different drug cocktails, as I’m sure you know.  A friend of mine is on lithium AND neurontin, among other things. I’ve been on lots of diff. stuff simultaneously: buspar, trazodone, klonopin, prozac, lithium, depakote, and neurontin are the bulk of the things I’ve been on.  Are you taking an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer? -bpkittycat

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Worn Out- I can see why you are frustrated I’ve forgotten what Tofranil is for.  Antipsychotic?  Antidepressant?  MAOI or Tricyclic? What symptoms do you have the most trouble with?  I seem to be depressed a lot, and have had depression for most of my life, and "only" a few major manic episodes.  I suffer from migraines as well, and hope that the neurontin that I’ve just started will help in preventing the attacks (mania and migraine). I am wondering what you have tried and what you know about diet and how it affects mood.  I would suggest, if you are not already doing so, to severely cut down on all carbohydrates, have lots of protein, and consume 3T of flax seed oil every day.  Always use olive oil when you can, too (like in salad dressings, for dipping bread in, etc.). These new drugs for seizures are supposed to work for many treatment-resistant patients.  check out the Neurontin facts posted earlier today if you haven’t already. Good luck, and I hope you get some good advice and new ideas from others… -bpkittycat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am now on Tofranil and Lithobid. I have had about 35 ECT treatments (unilateral and bilateral). I have been on: Xanax Elavil Dexedrine Anafranil Welbutrin Buspar Tegretol Librium Valium Effexor Prozac Tofranil Librium Eskalith Ritalin Nardil Serzone Pamelor Parnate Paxil Prozac Risperdal Zoloft Xanax Thyroid Hormone Testosterone I appreciate your interest. Everyone is different.  Tell me what you’ve tried, kay?  Also, let me know what your additional symptoms are, etc.  Have you had partial relief with certain drugs? There may be treatments that are better for BPI and treatments that are better for BPII.  A lot of people take different drug cocktails, as I’m sure you know.  A friend of mine is on lithium AND neurontin, among other things. I’ve been on lots of diff. stuff simultaneously: buspar, trazodone, klonopin, prozac, lithium, depakote, and neurontin are the bulk of the things I’ve been on.  Are you taking an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer? -bpkittycat Before you buy.

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After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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re: question #1: that’s the question, all right re: question #2: between 15 & 20% (some confusion, apparently, about whether this means *all* people with bipolar or just the untreated ones). What about the undiagnosed ones, then? I interpolate all this to indicate that the figure refers to all bipolars. — Deep – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective treatment for its depression. What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression? What % of manic depressives commit suicide? Before you buy.

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: After 13 years with BiPolar Disorder I have yet to find effective : treatment for its depression. : : What is the most effective treatment for BiPolar Depression?    There is no most effective treatment, it varies with the    circumstances and individual.  Passage of time usually    brings with it some relief of symptoms. : : What % of manic depressives commit suicide?   It is higher for untreated sufferers……15-20% if I recall   correctly.   nm : : : Before you buy. :

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Hi Betsy, Stopping Effexor is definately not something you want to do without the assistance of a doctor.  The withdrawal effects can be pretty bad if things aren’t done slowly.  (ie. bad headaches, vision troubles (because seratonin is also used in the visual system) etc.) Please get her to talk to a Doctor about it. Hugs, Kathryn K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Email replies requested if it seems more appropriate.  My sister asked if I would check with you guys, since I seem to remember a couple of people have taken Effexor.  Has anyone experienced withdrawals from Effexor, and what was it like? Has anyone experienced visual symptoms from missing 2 or 3 days? I told her I’d ask.  I also told her to go to her doctor if she’s thinking about stopping. Thanks for the little indulgence. Betsy

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Hi Betsy, Just an add to my last post, I have been on Effexor for about two years and it has really helped with my depression.  I have had no negative side effects.  (Of course the same meds can affect different people in entirely different ways. Hugs, Kathryn K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Email replies requested if it seems more appropriate.  My sister asked if I would check with you guys, since I seem to remember a couple of people have taken Effexor.  Has anyone experienced withdrawals from Effexor, and what was it like? Has anyone experienced visual symptoms from missing 2 or 3 days? I told her I’d ask.  I also told her to go to her doctor if she’s thinking about stopping. Thanks for the little indulgence. Betsy

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Email replies requested if it seems more appropriate.  My sister asked if I would check with you guys, since I seem to remember a couple of people have taken Effexor.  Has anyone experienced withdrawals from Effexor, and what was it like? Has anyone experienced visual symptoms from missing 2 or 3 days? I told her I’d ask.  I also told her to go to her doctor if she’s thinking about stopping.

betsy, i am taking 12.5 mg of effexor (1/2 of a tablet) which is a real small dose. as much as i’d love to wean myself away from it i’m having a real difficult time with the withdrawal symptoms. NAUSEA CITY. that i have to keep taking it. i could kill my doctor for ever prescribing effexor to me. the side effects and withdrawal effects are terrible. i definitely think your sister should get some help from the doctor so he can suggest ways to withdraw from it.

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Email replies requested if it seems more appropriate.  My sister asked if I would check with you guys, since I seem to remember a couple of people have taken Effexor.  Has anyone experienced withdrawals from Effexor, and what was it like? Has anyone experienced visual symptoms from missing 2 or 3 days? I told her I’d ask.  I also told her to go to her doctor if she’s thinking about stopping. Thanks for the little indulgence. Betsy

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withdrawal from effexor was hell on earth for me.  i weaned slowly but it still made me incredibly ill.  nausea, slept 24/7, headaches, electrical shock-like body sensations.  i weaned part in the hospital and then tried to do the rest at home.  ended up in a medical ward b/c i couldn’t keep anything down and got horribly dehydrated.  go very slowly and under a doc’s supervision.  not pleasant.

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Guess what? My wife was diagnosed with severe OCD this morning.  I guess she may change her views.  What a mind trip! Calvin

Hi Calvin, What a strange twist. So, now what? — monkey http://pages.hotbot.com/health/sillychickens/ mon…@gilligansisland.net (to email me axe ‘gilligans’) —

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Guess what? My wife was diagnosed with severe OCD this morning.  I guess she may change her views.  What a mind trip!

Wow!  I hope that she can change her views but only time will tell. Kind regards, Steve

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Guess what? My wife was diagnosed with severe OCD this morning.  I guess she may change her views.  What a mind trip! Calvin * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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My wife says that if I take these medications, her and my son will be ashamed of me and that they are no different than illegal drugs.

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She is from China.  So she has a different view on everything due to her culture.

Hi Dragon, Like a few of the other posters said, you could take your wife to the doctor with you. Also, maybe you could locate a doctor that is Chinese and/or go to a Chinese Medicine clinic where maybe you could speak with someone who might help build a bridge between the ‘western’ medicine thought and the views your wife has. — monkey http://pages.hotbot.com/health/sillychickens/ mon…@gilligansisland.net (to email me axe ‘gilligans’) —

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She is from China.  So she has a different view on everything due to her culture.

Hmmm… that’s a tough one. I can’t think of a better idea than fuzzybrain’s at the moment. I suppose that you could ignore her views but it could be a very unsatisfactory solution, especially if she has a lot of influence over your son. Kind regards, Steve

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She is from China.  So she has a different view on everything due to her culture. Calvin Tait * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Dear Dragon Sounds like, if you can arrange it, you and your wife might benefit from a session together with your MD or whomever it was that prescribed the drugs. — peace from fuzzybrain I’m not GOING crazy, I’m already there!!!! dragon <p_taitNOp_S…@yahoo.com.invalid

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Does anyone use Effexor for OCD?  I have taken Paxil, Zoloft, and now Effexor XR with Klonopin for OCD and Anxiety. I take 150 mg a day.

I used to take Paxil (50 mg) and I now take Effexor (375 mg).

I have been diagnosed only a month ago with OCD

It’s early days then. You may not notice any benefits from the Effexor for a while yet.

My wife says that if I take these medications, her and my son will be ashamed of me and that they are no different than illegal drugs.

What an extraordinary attitude! There must be some reason for your wife thinking like this. I think that fuzzybrain’s suggestion of letting your wife talk to your psychiatrist about medications was a very good one. Does she have some strong religious beliefs that perhaps forbid taking medications? She obviously feels very strongly about this and seems to also be prepared to influence your son’s thinking. Perhaps she regards OCD as a "weakness"? Can you talk with her to find out what’s going on? Kind regards, Steve

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My wife says that if I take these medications, her and my son will be ashamed of me and that they are no different than illegal drugs.

That is terrible!  They are different from illegal drugs.  People use illegal drugs to get "high", to feel what a normal person cannot feel in a normal day of their lives. We use our medications to feel normal, to have a normal day in our life. Our brains (I would argue) seem to be lacking some important chemicals… and the drugs give us what we need to function close to normally. There is a myth among ‘normal’ people that prozac, and other drugs will make you happy.  They think it somehow magically makes you feel great everyday of your life ever after.  They have no clue what it’s really like to need these drugs. I’m so sorry that your wife feels that way.  If you need the drugs, take them. orlan

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Would your wife be ashamed of you if you had high blood pressure and had to take medicine to control it? She is *seriously* misinformed about OCD and medication. I can not advise you specifically about Effexor because I take a different medication, but I *can* tell you that antidepressants have improved my life considerably. They *are* different than illegal drugs. No comparison. Maybe your doctor can talk some sense into her. Don’t let her fears and/or antipathy stop you from doing something that will probably help you in the long run. Regards, Ida dragon <p_taitNOp_S…@yahoo.com.invalid

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  I just changed my 9 yr old son’s dr…..he was on 75mg luvox and 1-1/2 mg risperdal for OCD/ADD/anxiety.    The meds were great for a few months but then it seemed he needed to change (had alot of tantrums, frustration, very impulsive etc) and the old doc wasn’t cooperative and very hard to talk to. Went yesterday to a new one and she changed him from Luvox to Zoloft (we’re reducing Luvox for a week and slowly adding Zoloft).  Also she split up the Risperdal so he takes some in the morning and some at night instead of all at once.  I hope the Zoloft works for him.  Does anyone have any comments about any of these meds, specifically for children?  Thank you Debbie

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  I just changed my 9 yr old son’s dr…..he was on 75mg luvox and 1-1/2 mg risperdal for OCD/ADD/anxiety.    The meds were great for a few months but then it seemed he needed to change (had alot of tantrums, frustration, very impulsive etc) and the old doc wasn’t cooperative and very hard to talk to. Went yesterday to a new one and she changed him from Luvox to Zoloft (we’re reducing Luvox for a week and slowly adding Zoloft).  Also she split up the Risperdal so he takes some in the morning and some at night instead of all at once.  I hope the Zoloft works for him.  Does anyone have any comments about any of these meds, specifically for children?  Thank you Debbie

Sounds like your child is in good hands now. However, no-one wants to do research on the use of psych meds in children and pregnant women, so how these meds are used in these specific patient populations is taken from research done on nonpregnant adults. Chip Before you buy.

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Hello everyone!! just wondering if anyone had this happen to them.  My doc put me on zoloft started at 12 1/2mg for a week then 25mg for 2 weeks then 50mg when i started taking the 50mg it made my heart flutter, so she put me back on 25mg again but it is not doing much for me now she wants me to try the 50mg again and i am scared she said try 25 in the morning then 25mg at night i am scared to do that also any suggestions? I just didnt like my heart doing that and i am scared it is going to happen again HELP Thanks Diana

I must say that your doc isn’t doing this as badly as some other docs do. She realizes that you have to wean on Zoloft slowly and that’s a good thing. Still, between 25 mg and 50 mg there is 37,5 mg. I think it’s advisable to try that first. Moreover it seems advisable to ask for a benzo (Xanax) on the side *as needed* which may help avoid or minimize initial Zoloft side effects like a fluttering heart. I hope you will hang in there as it takes about 8 weeks to be able to properly assess Zoloft’s value for you (but beneficial effect may be felt much earlier). Philip

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Hello everyone!! just wondering if anyone had this happen to them.  My doc put me on zoloft started at 12 1/2mg for a week then 25mg for 2 weeks then 50mg when i started taking the 50mg it made my heart flutter, so she put me back on 25mg again but it is not doing much for me now she wants me to try the 50mg again and i am scared she said try 25 in the morning then 25mg at night i am scared to do that also any suggestions? I just didnt like my heart doing that and i am scared it is going to happen again HELP Thanks Diana

Diana –   I experienced a return of side-effects for a few days with each increased dose of Zoloft…One side effect for me was the shakes, which increased my anxiety and led to a racing heart…I suspect that you perhaps are having a similar experience…You may have to go through a few days of side-effects like this to reach a theraputic dose…And I checked the PDR, heart attack is not listed as a possible side-effect of Zoloft so don’t worry! Later, — Charles Phipps

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WOW!!  My Dr. started me off at 50mg right away..he did not work me up to 50mg..At any rate I had NO side effects at all from Zoloft.. ~But there’s one thing I know…the blues they send to meet me won’t defeat me, it won’t be long till happiness is out to greet me~

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Hello everyone!! just wondering if anyone had this happen to them.  My doc put me on zoloft started at 12 1/2mg for a week then 25mg for 2 weeks then 50mg when i started taking the 50mg it made my heart flutter, so she put me back on 25mg again but it is not doing much for me now she wants me to try the 50mg again and i am scared she said try 25 in the morning then 25mg at night i am scared to do that also any suggestions? I just didnt like my heart doing that and i am scared it is going to happen again HELP Thanks Diana

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Hello everyone!! just wondering if anyone had this happen to them.  My doc put me on zoloft started at 12 1/2mg for a week then 25mg for 2 weeks then 50mg when i started taking the 50mg it made my heart flutter, so she put me back on 25mg again but it is not doing much for me now she wants me to try the 50mg again and i am scared she said try 25 in the morning then 25mg at night i am scared to do that also any suggestions? I just didnt like my heart doing that and i am scared it is going to happen again HELP Thanks Diana

Hi Diana, I have been dealing with those heart flutters on and off for years. I get mine when I am anxious, drink too much coffee, and have PMS. I don`t like them, but they are harmless. You won`t know if you will get  those flutters, unless you try the 50mgs again. There may be a way to lessen that possibility. Instead of going from 25mgs to 50mgs, go to 37.5mgs. Getting to your prescribed dose is not a race. You want to be as comfortable as possible, and if it means going at a slower pace, so then be it. Watch your caffeine consumption too, it can trigger the heart flutters. And if you should get them , remember they will pass and are harmless. Asking your doctor for a benzo might help too. Jackie "Behold the turtle. He makes progress only when he sticks out his head."

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I was started on 25mg of zoloft daily about two weeks ago for anxiety and panic disorder.  The first few days I took it I had some crazy mood swings but those went away after a while.  Lately I’ve had two episodes of depression that I wonder about.  I know that most side effects are supposed to go away but is this something I should talk to my doctor about immediately or should I just try to tough it out and hope that it goes away.  So far it’s been pretty bearable so I think I could get through it.  Any comments on this would be appreciated and any information on zoloft in general would be great.

15 mg if Zoloft is a subtherapeutic dose, it must be raised. The best way to do that is by weekly increments of 12.5 mg to avoid unpleasant side effects: *start low, go slow*. It may take a few weeks but your depression should disappear. So yes, ask your doctor to raise the dose 37.5 mg etc. Philip

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Hi, Jack, I take Zoloft and Clonazepam for depression and anxiety.  25 mg is low so maybe you could call your pdoc and see about a slight increase.  It never hurts to check in with your pdoc and let them know how you are feeling. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was started on 25mg of zoloft daily about two weeks ago for anxiety and panic disorder.  The first few days I took it I had some crazy mood swings but those went away after a while.  Lately I’ve had two episodes of depression that I wonder about.  I know that most side effects are supposed to go away but is this something I should talk to my doctor about immediately or should I just try to tough it out and hope that it goes away.  So far it’s been pretty bearable so I think I could get through it.  Any comments on this would be appreciated and any information on zoloft in general would be great.

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I was started on 25mg of zoloft daily about two weeks ago for anxiety and panic disorder.  The first few days I took it I had some crazy mood swings but those went away after a while.  Lately I’ve had two episodes of depression that I wonder about.  I know that most side effects are supposed to go away but is this something I should talk to my doctor about immediately or should I just try to tough it out and hope that it goes away.  So far it’s been pretty bearable so I think I could get through it.  Any comments on this would be appreciated and any information on zoloft in general would be great.

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Hi I have often had tinitus.  On and off.  The doctor once gave me a long story about how it was just a disease.  Its been quite bad lately and I found out in the last few weeks maybe from this newsgroup ( if so I apologize ) that it is caused by aspirin. I have been taking lots of painkillers to help with paxil withdrawals love Moira – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took Zoloft last fall for anxiety for 2 and 1/2 months. (I got off it because it began to give me night tremors).  However, only after a month on it, my ears started ringing/hissing.  I also had a bad sinus infection at the time and I assumed it was related to that, never thinking the medication would do such a thing (HA–looks like the joke was on me!).  When I related this to my doctor, she never let on that she KNEW some antidepressants caused tinnitus (why not, I am now asking myself) and continued to let me take the drug for 6 more weeks! I’ve been off the Zoloft for 6 weeks now, and I STILL have the ringing/hissing in my ears.  Has anyone ever had this happen?  Is this EVER going to go away?. It drives you crazy and I fear now I’ll have it forever.

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Hi I have often had tinitus.  On and off.  The doctor once gave me a long story

about how it was just a disease.  Its been quite bad lately and I found out

in the last few weeks maybe from this newsgroup ( if so I apologize ) that it is caused by

aspirin. I have been taking lots of painkillers to help with paxil withdrawals

love Moira   Hi Moira, You say you are taking painkillers… what kind?  I have taken many, many different kinds (due to my headaches) and found that Midrin effected my ears horribly.  Could be an additional cause.. Lee feeling silly lately…must be a side effect

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I took Zoloft last fall for anxiety for 2 and 1/2 months. (I got off it because it began to give me night tremors).  However, only after a month on it, my ears started ringing/hissing.  I also had a bad sinus infection at the time and I assumed it was related to that, never thinking the medication would do such a thing (HA–looks like the joke was on me!).  When I related this to my doctor, she never let on that she KNEW some antidepressants caused tinnitus (why not, I am now asking myself) and continued to let me take the drug for 6 more weeks! I’ve been off the Zoloft for 6 weeks now, and I STILL have the ringing/hissing in my ears.  Has anyone ever had this happen?  Is this EVER going to go away?. It drives you crazy and I fear now I’ll have it forever.

For what it’s worth, I, too, suffered from tinnitus while on Zoloft (for a similar period of time as you) before switching to Prozac.  In my case, the tinnitus went away within days of stopping Zoloft.  I wouldn’t give up hope that yours will fade with time too. Good luck, Bob

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I’ve been off the Zoloft for 6 weeks now, and I STILL have the ringing/hissing in my ears.  Has anyone ever had this happen?  Is this EVER going to go away?. It drives you crazy and I fear now I’ll have it forever.

For what it’s worth, I, too, suffered from tinnitus while on Zoloft (for

a similar period of time as you) before switching to Prozac.  In my

case, the tinnitus went away within days of stopping Zoloft.  I wouldn’t

give up hope that yours will fade with time too.  (piggybacking on Bob)  I had a similar problem with a different med altogether.  I think it was Midrin.  It went away for the most part.  It still happens occasionally, but not on a constant basis.   If it keeps up, you should mention it to your doctor, or go to a specialist. Lee feeling silly lately…must be a side effect

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I took Zoloft last fall for anxiety for 2 and 1/2 months. (I got off it because it began to give me night tremors).  However, only after a month on it, my ears started ringing/hissing.  I also had a bad sinus infection at the time and I assumed it was related to that, never thinking the medication would do such a thing (HA–looks like the joke was on me!).  When I related this to my doctor, she never let on that she KNEW some antidepressants caused tinnitus (why not, I am now asking myself) and continued to let me take the drug for 6 more weeks!   I’ve been off the Zoloft for 6 weeks now, and I STILL have the ringing/hissing in my ears.  Has anyone ever had this happen?  Is this EVER going to go away?. It drives you crazy and I fear now I’ll have it forever.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tom,     Welcome to ASAP. I’m 21 and diagnosed with manic depression, anxiety, panic attacks, ocd.. and now I’m beginning to wonder about something else, but anyways, the reason for your post and mine.     I’ve been on Zoloft since mid-October. I started on 25mg, two weeks later increased to 50mg, and then two weeks after that 100mg. I finally gained some control over my "problems." I was taken off Zoloft and put on Celexa for a 6 week rollercoaster. I’m back on the Zoloft, and have been since February. I’m up to 200mg a day.     Now, I have little side effects. In the beginning I had a lot of side effects, those you listed, extreme dry mouth, but not the rash and I still have a hard time getting out of bed at a decent hour, I have to keep myself on a very strict sleep pattern, or when I get off of it, I don’t go to bed until 2,3,4am, then never make it up in time to make it to work by 8:30am. And yes, the decreased sex drive is a pain.     Are you taking anything with the Zoloft? I was taking 100mg Zoloft and 4mg Xanax daily, now I’m on 200mg Zoloft and 3mg Klonopin daily. That might also explain the rash, and the waking up thing.     Hope this is of some help for you. Much Love, Brooke Hi Brooke, Do you take anything for the manic depression? Chip

No, because it rarely rears its ugly head, the manic side at least.. it’s often usually just regular old depression, however, we are keeping an eye on it (Daily journal of what’s going on and keeping track of how often the manic side rears up). The pdoc is really concerned with me hiding my depression from people as well as I do, so he wants to try and get that and the anxiety all under control. Much Love, Brooke PS I think the Klonopin helps with the manic too… that’s just my thought. Since I’ve switched from xanax to Klonopin I’ve had a lot fewer manic episodes. B.

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Hi Tom,     Welcome to ASAP. I’m 21 and diagnosed with manic depression, anxiety, panic attacks, ocd.. and now I’m beginning to wonder about something else, but anyways, the reason for your post and mine.     I’ve been on Zoloft since mid-October. I started on 25mg, two weeks later increased to 50mg, and then two weeks after that 100mg. I finally gained some control over my "problems." I was taken off Zoloft and put on Celexa for a 6 week rollercoaster. I’m back on the Zoloft, and have been since February. I’m up to 200mg a day.     Now, I have little side effects. In the beginning I had a lot of side effects, those you listed, extreme dry mouth, but not the rash and I still have a hard time getting out of bed at a decent hour, I have to keep myself on a very strict sleep pattern, or when I get off of it, I don’t go to bed until 2,3,4am, then never make it up in time to make it to work by 8:30am. And yes, the decreased sex drive is a pain.     Are you taking anything with the Zoloft? I was taking 100mg Zoloft and 4mg Xanax daily, now I’m on 200mg Zoloft and 3mg Klonopin daily. That might also explain the rash, and the waking up thing.     Hope this is of some help for you. Much Love, Brooke

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to the group and am interpreted if people can give me any feed back on Zoloft. I started on Zoloft and two months ago after about of panic and depressive episodes. Though the attacks had seemed to be lessening, it seemed to make sense at the time to treat them to prevent a reoccurrence. The first two weeks were difficult on Xanax and brought back the panic as well as diarrhea, stomach upset, heart palpitations, but these went away and I began to increase my dosage from 25mg to the doctor recommended 50mg. I can’t say I feel that much better and am wondering whether these are side effects. I knew about the decreased sex drive and can probably handle that. One major difference is that I used to wake up early in the morning with a feeling of anxiety and now I can hardly drag myself out of bed at a normal time. I also experience frequent headaches as if my head and nose is pinched. I also am putting on weight. Also wondering about the rash that appeared unexpectedly on my arms (though this could be from something else; it is pretty mild.) Do these sound familiar to anyone? I also am wondering about the dosage of 50mg since I felt pretty good on 25mg and have heard that is a standard dosage. Any thoughts about decreasing dosage? — Tom Semmes 301-530-9586 Fax 301-530-9587

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tom,     Welcome to ASAP. I’m 21 and diagnosed with manic depression, anxiety, panic attacks, ocd.. and now I’m beginning to wonder about something else, but anyways, the reason for your post and mine.     I’ve been on Zoloft since mid-October. I started on 25mg, two weeks later increased to 50mg, and then two weeks after that 100mg. I finally gained some control over my "problems." I was taken off Zoloft and put on Celexa for a 6 week rollercoaster. I’m back on the Zoloft, and have been since February. I’m up to 200mg a day.     Now, I have little side effects. In the beginning I had a lot of side effects, those you listed, extreme dry mouth, but not the rash and I still have a hard time getting out of bed at a decent hour, I have to keep myself on a very strict sleep pattern, or when I get off of it, I don’t go to bed until 2,3,4am, then never make it up in time to make it to work by 8:30am. And yes, the decreased sex drive is a pain.     Are you taking anything with the Zoloft? I was taking 100mg Zoloft and 4mg Xanax daily, now I’m on 200mg Zoloft and 3mg Klonopin daily. That might also explain the rash, and the waking up thing.     Hope this is of some help for you. Much Love, Brooke

Hi Brooke, Do you take anything for the manic depression? Chip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to the group and am interpreted if people can give me any feed back on Zoloft. I started on Zoloft and two months ago after about of panic and depressive episodes. Though the attacks had seemed to be lessening, it seemed to make sense at the time to treat them to prevent a reoccurrence. The first two weeks were difficult on Xanax and brought back the panic as well as diarrhea, stomach upset, heart palpitations, but these went away and I began to increase my dosage from 25mg to the doctor recommended 50mg. I can’t say I feel that much better and am wondering whether these are side effects. I knew about the decreased sex drive and can probably handle that. One major difference is that I used to wake up early in the morning with a feeling of anxiety and now I can hardly drag myself out of bed at a normal time. I also experience frequent headaches as if my head and nose is pinched. I also am putting on weight. Also wondering about the rash that appeared unexpectedly on my arms (though this could be from something else; it is pretty mild.) Do these sound familiar to anyone? I also am wondering about the dosage of 50mg since I felt pretty good on 25mg and have heard that is a standard dosage. Any thoughts about decreasing dosage? — Tom Semmes 301-530-9586 Fax 301-530-9587

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I am new to the group and am interpreted if people can give me any feed back on Zoloft. I started on Zoloft and two months ago after about of panic and depressive episodes. Though the attacks had seemed to be lessening, it seemed to make sense at the time to treat them to prevent a reoccurrence. The first two weeks were difficult on Xanax and brought back the panic as well as diarrhea, stomach upset, heart palpitations, but these went away and I began to increase my dosage from 25mg to the doctor recommended 50mg. I can’t say I feel that much better and am wondering whether these are side effects.

Yes, these are common side effects from weaning on Zoloft and should be temporary. I knew about the decreased sex drive and can probably handle that. One major difference is that I used to wake up early in the morning with a feeling of anxiety and now I can hardly drag myself out of bed at a normal time. I also experience frequent headaches as if my head and nose is pinched. I also am putting on weight. Also wondering about the rash that appeared unexpectedly on my arms (though this could be from something else; it is pretty mild.) Do these sound familiar to anyone?

These can all be side effects, the headaches should be temporary. I also am wondering about the dosage of /50mg since I felt pretty good on 25mg and have heard that is a standard dosage. Any thoughts about decreasing dosage?

On the contrary you may not have noticed much positive change because you’re on a subtherapeutic dose. I think you should consult your doctor (hopefully a psychiatrist with some knowledge of anxiety disorders and not a GP…) about raising the dose. However, the best way to do this is in increments of 12.5 mg in order to avoid or minimize side effects caused by the dose increase. Having a benzo like Xanax or Ativan on the side to take *as needed* may be helpful too. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Tom Semmes 301-530-9586 Fax 301-530-9587

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I am new to the group and am interpreted if people can give me any feed back on Zoloft. I started on Zoloft and two months ago after about of panic and depressive episodes. Though the attacks had seemed to be lessening, it seemed to make sense at the time to treat them to prevent a reoccurrence. The first two weeks were difficult on Xanax and brought back the panic as well as diarrhea, stomach upset, heart palpitations, but these went away and I began to increase my dosage from 25mg to the doctor recommended 50mg. I can’t say I feel that much better and am wondering whether these are side effects. I knew about the decreased sex drive and can probably handle that. One major difference is that I used to wake up early in the morning with a feeling of anxiety and now I can hardly drag myself out of bed at a normal time. I also experience frequent headaches as if my head and nose is pinched. I also am putting on weight. Also wondering about the rash that appeared unexpectedly on my arms (though this could be from something else; it is pretty mild.) Do these sound familiar to anyone? I also am wondering about the dosage of 50mg since I felt pretty good on 25mg and have heard that is a standard dosage. Any thoughts about decreasing dosage? — Tom Semmes 301-530-9586 Fax 301-530-9587

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am new to the group and am interpreted if people can give me any feed back on Zoloft. I started on Zoloft and two months ago after about of panic and depressive episodes. Though the attacks had seemed to be lessening, it seemed to make sense at the time to treat them to prevent a reoccurrence. The first two weeks were difficult on Xanax and brought back the panic as well as diarrhea, stomach upset, heart palpitations, but these went away and I began to increase my dosage from 25mg to the doctor recommended 50mg. I can’t say I feel that much better and am wondering whether these are side effects. I knew about the decreased sex drive and can probably handle that. One major difference is that I used to wake up early in the morning with a feeling of anxiety and now I can hardly drag myself out of bed at a normal time. I also experience frequent headaches as if my head and nose is pinched. I also am putting on weight. Also wondering about the rash that appeared unexpectedly on my arms (though this could be from something else; it is pretty mild.) Do these sound familiar to anyone? I also am wondering about the dosage of 50mg since I felt pretty good on 25mg and have heard that is a standard dosage. Any thoughts about decreasing dosage?

Hi Tom, Welcome to ASAP! Alot of the symptoms you mentioned liked headache, weight gain and fatigue are side-effects of Zoloft. You could try going down to 25mgs ( ask your doctor first)  to see if the side-effects decrease but there is a good chance that 25mgs would not be enough to control your anxiety. The therapeutic dose of Zoloft is 100 to 200mgs, although there are people that do well on lower doses. It is also possible that better. Only you know what side-effects you are willing to tolerate or not tolerate. It is important that you talk to your doctor about what is going on so something can be done to help you. Take care Jackie ~*~When you get to the end of all the light you know and it’s time to step into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing that one of two things shall happen: either you will be given something solid to stand on, or you will be taughhow to fly~*~

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My friend has an anxiety disorder-was recently prescribled 50 mg of Zoloft to take in the a.m.  She finds that she is very tired and ready for sleep around 2:30 p.m.   Is 50mg of Zoloft/day normally prescribed?  She’s complains of feeling too sedated. Thanks in advance for your response.  :0) Jennifer

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: :My friend has an anxiety disorder-was recently prescribled 50 mg of Zoloft to :take in the a.m.  She finds that she is very tired and ready for sleep around :2:30 p.m.   : :Is 50mg of Zoloft/day normally prescribed?  She’s complains of feeling too :sedated. : :Thanks in advance for your response.  :0) Dear Jennifer, Welcome to ASAP! Some people do well on 50mgs of Zoloft, others do well on 100mgs and then person to person. Sedation and feeling tired are common side-effects of antidepressants which is why it`s so important for people with anxiety disorder to start antidepressants at a low dose (zoloft would be12.5 or 25mgs) and to wean slowly (with Zoloft increasing the dose in 12.5 or 25 mg increments once a week or so). We tend to be sensitive to the side-effects of medication. Had your friend started Zoloft at 12.5 mg or even 25mgs the sedation may not have been so bad. She could try to stick this side-effect out, it might start to diminish once her body adjusts to the 50mgs. If she finds this side-effect is just too much for her, she should call her doctor and ask to lower her dose. Take care Jackie ~*~Do unto others as though you were the others~*~

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My friend has an anxiety disorder-was recently prescribled 50 mg of Zoloft to take in the a.m.  She finds that she is very tired and ready for sleep around 2:30 p.m. Is 50mg of Zoloft/day normally prescribed?  She’s complains of feeling too sedated. Thanks in advance for your response.  :0) Jennifer

If her sleepiness is due to the Zoloft, she could try 25 mg/day for awhile, and then raise the dose. Chip

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I definitely agree with lowering the dose initially. She could also try taking the 50mg at bedtime. Zoloft is one of those medications that usually must build up in the system over at least two weeks and it doesn’t really matter if you take it in the morning or at bedtime. Often it is just trial and error to find the regime that works best. Good luck, Russ,  M.D.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My friend has an anxiety disorder-was recently prescribled 50 mg of Zoloft to take in the a.m.  She finds that she is very tired and ready for sleep around 2:30 p.m. Is 50mg of Zoloft/day normally prescribed?  She’s complains of feeling too sedated. Thanks in advance for your response.  :0) Jennifer

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WHATS the story with Zoloft.Ive been on it for a week and still don,t feel any better.Please email me your xperiences with zoloft.Does it take a long time to work.  I DON,T want to give up on it yet I am taking 150mg a day Time wounds all heels!! Generally it takes up to 6 weeks for antidepressants to work.  Some though are fortunate that feel "something" happening by the end of the first week. Don’t give up.  Keep it up. I thought you might have written in another post about difficulty getting an orgasm.  This is experienced with SSRIs, and when it comes so soon after initiation of treatment it is more than likely due to that.  Let your MD know and he may want to change to another SSRI or some other antidepressant that does not have this side effect. kksoo

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Major Impact schreef: WHATS the story with Zoloft.Ive been on it for a week and still don,t feel any better.Please email me your xperiences with zoloft.Does it take a long time to work.  I DON,T want to give up on it yet I am taking 150mg a day Time wounds all heels!!

Alkthough I don’t have experiences with Zoloft I did take three other meds from the same (SSRI) group of antidepressants. These have in common that it may take awhile (anything up from 2-10 weeks) to take effect. So take that time to give the med a chance. After a week it’s already a very good sign that you experienced no side effects or heightened anxiety. This may well be the right med for you! Philip Peters – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                                                                                                                                                l

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WHATS the story with Zoloft.Ive been on it for a week and still don,t feel any better.Please email me your xperiences with zoloft.Does it take a long time to work.  I DON,T want to give up on it yet I am taking 150mg a day Time wounds all heels!!                                                                                                                                                    l        

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  my 9 yr old son is taking zoloft..he started at 25mg the first week, now the 2nd week is up to 50 mg.  A little while after he takes it he says he feels hot and his head feels funny.  The whole day he is fine and it is really helping his impulsiveness, frustration and tantrums…these traits have nearly disappeared.  I am going to ask the doctor about it but is this normal?  He just was weaned off of Luvox at the same time he started the Zoloft. Debbie

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my 9 yr old son is taking zoloft..he started at 25mg the first week, now the 2nd week is up to 50 mg.  A little while after he takes it he says he feels hot and his head feels funny.  The whole day he is fine and it is really helping his impulsiveness, frustration and tantrums…these traits have nearly disappeared.  I am going to ask the doctor about it but is this normal?  He just was weaned off of Luvox at the same time he started the Zoloft. Debbie

Hi Debbie, Zoloft can cause sweating and headaches and that could be what your son is experiencing. I would mention this to the doctor, it should go away in a few weeks and appears to be mild, so I wouldn`t worry. That is wonderful that Zoloft has helped your son so much ) Take care!! Jackie

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Hopefully the side effects will go away. I had a really bad time on zoloft. Things did get better but I only took it for two days becuase I could not go to work. So mabe I’ll give a go when I have some space. Incidentally my doc said that the minumum dose was 50mg and that’s what I started on. I am in the UK, but this cannot be right. I think I may purchase myself a pill cutter — And god said. Let there be light. And there was light. But the darkness crept over me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  my 9 yr old son is taking zoloft..he started at 25mg the first week, now the 2nd week is up to 50 mg.  A little while after he takes it he says he feels hot and his head feels funny.  The whole day he is fine and it is really helping his impulsiveness, frustration and tantrums…these traits have nearly disappeared.  I am going to ask the doctor about it but is this normal?  He just was weaned off of Luvox at the same time he started the Zoloft. Debbie

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I had the same symptoms the first couple of days after switching from Paxil. went to 50 the second week. Felt it for a while the first day of 50, but not since. Good luck to your son. Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my 9 yr old son is taking zoloft..he started at 25mg the first week, now the 2nd week is up to 50 mg.  A little while after he takes it he says he feels hot and his head feels funny.  The whole day he is fine and it is really helping his impulsiveness, frustration and tantrums…these traits have nearly disappeared.  I am going to ask the doctor about it but is this normal?  He just was weaned off of Luvox at the same time he started the Zoloft. Debbie Hi Debbie, Zoloft can cause sweating and headaches and that could be what your son is experiencing. I would mention this to the doctor, it should go away in a few weeks and appears to be mild, so I wouldn`t worry. That is wonderful that Zoloft has helped your son so much ) Take care!! Jackie

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Hopefully the side effects will go away. I had a really bad time on zoloft. Things did get better but I only took it for two days becuase I could not go to work. So mabe I’ll give a go when I have some space. Incidentally my doc said that the minumum dose was 50mg and that’s what I started on. I am in the UK, but this cannot be right. I think I may purchase myself a pill cutter

Oh yes, the UK where psychiatry still has to be invented…. 12.5 mg is the recommended starting dose (half a 25 mg tab), 25 mg may be managed but 50 mg is cruelty! Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — And god said. Let there be light. And there was light. But the darkness crept over me.  my 9 yr old son is taking zoloft..he started at 25mg the first week, now the 2nd week is up to 50 mg.  A little while after he takes it he says he feels hot and his head feels funny.  The whole day he is fine and it is really helping his impulsiveness, frustration and tantrums…these traits have nearly disappeared.  I am going to ask the doctor about it but is this normal?  He just was weaned off of Luvox at the same time he started the Zoloft. Debbie

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Oh yes, the UK where psychiatry still has to be invented…. Philip —

Not true!!! My shrink has a certificate of competence signed by no less a person than Noah (of Ark fame).  Must admit though I was a bit worried by the Thioridazine he gave me.  I could just make out on the label that it was best before 3000 BC — Jon Guite Live support and chat for anxiety and panic disorders at the #anx/pan chat room in Dalnet.  For details see http://www.skcldv.demon.co.uk/anxpanw.htm

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LEJ351 schreef: how long did it take for you to start feeling better?  I am only at 2 weeks and am still strugggling with insomnia, lack of appetite and  an acidic stomach.  I also use ativan as needed

Hopefully the Ativan will take you through these weeks as your body is adjusting to Zoloft. You should give Zoloft between 6-8 weeks to be able to evaluate its effect, but it’s entirely possible that you will feel better sooner than that. Philip

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I recently began taking zoloft and have never felt better.  I am curious why it seem many people take zoloft and xanax combo.  Does this help to alleviate some side effects?

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I recently began taking zoloft and have never felt better.  I am curious why it seem many people take zoloft and xanax combo.  Does this help to alleviate some side effects?

It does but when you don’t need it, so much the better! Glad it works! Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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how long did it take for you to start feeling better?  I am only at 2 weeks and am still strugggling with insomnia, lack of appetite and  an acidic stomach.  I also use ativan as needed

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how long did it take for you to start feeling better?  I am only at 2 weeks and am still strugggling with insomnia, lack of appetite and  an acidic stomach.  I also use ativan as needed

Hi: I am on ZOloft 25mg a day, and klonipin 3mg a day (all at bedtime)  I take benadryl 50mg PRN if I can’t get to sleep. For your stomach acidity, I had the same problem, and a simple dose of Zantac 75 (available without prescription) works wonders for the acid problem..in fact..NO problem!!!..It also doesn’t have any side effects. My pdoc lowered my Zoloft prescription after I found it caused too many side effects. At 25 mg’s at bedtime, it works wonders. I’ve been on it about a month now. Again, the benadryl as per needed, (even if I have to take it every second night!!) works great to knock off to sleep. Most impotantly, it keeps my sleep pattern regular.(ie. don’t sleep all day, and stay awake all night, which was my problem before I took the benadryl) Also, Gravol is simular to Benadryl, but a little bit milder, so may also want to consider this. These are non-prescription drugs, so you can take a shot yourself, and if they work..GREAT!! They’ve worked for me, and I’ve heard they worked well for many other, but, just try, as YMMV… Best of luck.. James — "All of us get lost in the darkness… Dreamers learn to stear by the stars.." Neil Peart, Rush, "The Pass"

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Ok, I have read all the literature I can find, and talked to my pharmacist and a doctor (not the psychiatrist who prescribed it because I know more about the drug than he does). All the "official" stuff tells me that serzone doesn’t affect sexual function. So why, since I have been on it, had by sex drive dropped off to next to nothing? And why is it more difficult for me to achieve orgasm. When I was on Zoloft, I had the same thing happen, but sexual disfunction is a side effect of Zoloft. Anyone have experiences similar to mine? (BTW, I have a different doctor prescribing my meds now). Thanks in advance, Ev emorgan <at slonet <dot org eem <at efn <dot org Replying to the header is futile. Junk e-mail will be illiminated. And for good measure: There is a $1000 US fee for unsolicited commercial e-mail to any of my aforementioned addresses. This is your only warning. Die NetScum! Die!

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[posted and emailed] Ok, I have read all the literature I can find, and talked to my pharmacist and a doctor (not the psychiatrist who prescribed it because I know more about the drug than he does). All the "official" stuff tells me that serzone doesn’t affect sexual function. So why, since I have been on it, had by sex drive dropped off to next to nothing? And why is it more difficult for me to achieve orgasm. When I was on Zoloft, I had the same thing happen, but sexual disfunction is a side effect of Zoloft. Anyone have experiences similar to mine?

yes, only "statistically" does serzone not affect sexual function. that means it wasnt likely.. ‘cept in your case… what about wellbutrin? Thomas A. Ott http://www.geocities.com/heartland/5294 "All Things Are Possible Except Skiing Through A Revolving Door…" [remove "nospam." from my sig to respond...]

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