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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.  It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver.  The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.

It seems

like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with

other

chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation

of my

bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned

into

infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect

of my

performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my

anxieties peak

and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest

fire in

Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of

Denver.  The

prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I

suffered from

some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I

have a

cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone

inhalor that

helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it

turns into

an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

I agree with you Fred, each condition can affect/influence the other. Is there any chance all that cortisone is increasing your anxiety? Steroids can definitely do that. Maybe Sandy L. has some suggestions? Jo

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Hey Fred,,,,,what you claim is VERY true……..on Dec 18th I git hit by another truck……..his died mine  survived and way I rented another 4×4 truck and te previous renter chained smoked…………NO one told me so the bottom line is this rental made my asthma kick up, they had to change me to Advaire and stop my Flovent and Serevent. My TS and SIB went off the richter scale! I had to start using my Albuteral Nebulizer which kicked up my ADHD……………………so now I can not take 2 steps without chouging hard and choking  and then having a Tussive Syncope(mini seisure)………….. It is now to the point water scares me cuz I choke! "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com

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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.  It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

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Thanks but I may not survive these syncopes "Jodi" <hellofromj…@nospamcharter.net

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With ALL the BS with my health since Dec 20th……..things are strating to level off 1) I won my fight for a new CPAP( my 4th since 1992) after 2 failed sleep studies, my good CPAP died of old age and is NOT repairable …so they got medicare to buy a new good model that may last a while this time 2) my SIB has been so powerful since Dec 20th that my left arm is in such trama it is all knotted up. 3) Enterprise who I rented a 4×4 truck from , took one wiff indside the truck and belived me an wrote off the dailiy overage  I owed. PLUS they gave me a free one time rental ! 4) I am breathing on my own today for the very first time  since Dec 20th! WHAT a CONCEPT!!:) "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com

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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.  It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

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I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on AST.  Does anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred

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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com wrote in message news:20050103122352.06555.00001642@mb-m22.aol.com… Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions. It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver.  The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver I agree with you Fred, each condition can affect/influence the other. Is there any chance all that cortisone is increasing your anxiety? Steroids can definitely do that. Maybe Sandy L. has some suggestions? Jo

I can’t say that this in causing an increase in anxiety.  The anxiety is created and increased by my inability to preform in a normal way.  At its worst, I demolished an auto in 1970.  I lost consciousness and rolled a car. 15 years later, I had an episode where I could no longer drive because I was seeing double.  I can now prevent these episodes with a steroid spray and a vasoconstrictor spray.  It is scary stuff when the drowsy sensation happens. Fred

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  I think I saw it weeks ago? "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com

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I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on

AST.  Does

anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred

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‘Twas 15 Jan 2005 19:53:25 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as fen…@aol.com (Fenisz) uttered:

I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on AST.  Does anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred

Everything showed up normally here.  Were you using any news server other than AOL?  AOL is usually reliable, and the software doesn’t have weird features for you to accidentally turn on and get this effect.. — RB |  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose the heading says it all but I’ll tell my story of woe.  I am 39, diagnosed with asthma at 34 — although in retrospect, I suspect I’ve had it much longer (but I never complained to the doc. about my shortness of breath because I’m overweight and "knew" that he’d just tell me to loose weight).  When I was first diagnosed at 34 I had quit smoking for about a year — then I started again about 1 yr after diagnosis (we won’t discuss that stupid decision).  Anyways, I’ve always viewed my asthma as a very "minor" issue in my life. I took my steriodal inhalers — occasionally had to double dose in the AM — but generally I did pretty good.  I quit smoking on August 11 of this year.  On August 19 I woke in the morning and after ventolin managed a measely 150 on my Peak Flow (when my asthma is sort of in abeyance I blow around 400). Went to see the Dr. and was put on Prednisone — so I was taking Pred. 40 mg/day, Becloforte 2XDay, 4 puffs, plus ventolin.  Things seemed to get better — off the pred. on August 25.  On Sept. 1 I made a visit to emergency for a nebulizer and was put back on pred.  On the 2nd, I ended up in hospital with asthma problems but with the additional diagnosis of pneumonia in my right lung.  I was released today.  SO…. still on Pred. with all the inherent nasty side-effects there, eurethromyecin (antibiotic), ventolin, becloforte (soon to be flovent)and alledgedly on the mend.  However, I DON’T FEEL ON THE MEND. I feel much better than I did, I can get air into my passages, sort of, my peak flow is hovering between 220-260 (before and after ventolin), while after the nebs in the hospital I was getting about 310.  I’m not wheezing.  But, my lungs are tight, it hurts to inhale deeply, like I should, and I have so far resisted "double dosing" my ventolin, but the temptation is coming closer since I know that if I take my dose, wait 5 min. and take another, I can actually breath. Having now discovered "what" the problem is with asthma — can anyone tell me what to expect from here — what should I do, not do, see, take, not take….I’ve read the site that John Rhoades is linked too and the FAQ — I guess what I’m looking for now is some quick tips for the fast cure.  I’m back to see a Doc. on Sept. 11 — this is all complicated by the fact that my Dr. has left town and I was in the process of getting a new one with this "crap" all happened.  So….tell me — What should I be doing, saying etc. before and to the Dr.?  All words of advice appreciated.

Under current US Guidelines, you should also be taking a long-term, bronchodilator; either salmeterol (Serevent) inhaler [2 puffs x 2] or theophylline SR [TheoDur] tablets. Ex-smokers sometimes benefit from using the Atrovent inhaler. A new inhaler, Combivent, combines Atrovent and Ventolin in one inhaler, for those who need both. It would be advisable to have lung function tests in a pulmonary test lab after you recover, to determine how much of your problem is asthma and how much is chronic bronchitis or emphysema. The later 2 conditions tend to be caused by smoking. You may benefit from programs in smoking cessation, diet, and exercise. Ellis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose the heading says it all but I’ll tell my story of woe.  I am 39, diagnosed with asthma at 34 — although in retrospect, I suspect I’ve had it much longer (but I never complained to the doc. about my shortness of breath because I’m overweight and "knew" that he’d just tell me to loose weight).  When I was first diagnosed at 34 I had quit smoking for about a year — then I started again about 1 yr after diagnosis (we won’t discuss that stupid decision).  Anyways, I’ve always viewed my asthma as a very "minor" issue in my life. I took my steriodal inhalers — occasionally had to double dose in the AM — but generally I did pretty good.  I quit smoking on August 11 of this year.  On August 19 I woke in the morning and after ventolin managed a measely 150 on my Peak Flow (when my asthma is sort of in abeyance I blow around 400). Went to see the Dr. and was put on Prednisone — so I was taking Pred. 40 mg/day, Becloforte 2XDay, 4 puffs, plus ventolin.  Things seemed to get better — off the pred. on August 25.  On Sept. 1 I made a visit to emergency for a nebulizer and was put back on pred.  On the 2nd, I ended up in hospital with asthma problems but with the additional diagnosis of pneumonia in my right lung.  I was released today.  SO…. still on Pred. with all the inherent nasty side-effects there, eurethromyecin (antibiotic), ventolin, becloforte (soon to be flovent)and alledgedly on the mend.  However, I DON’T FEEL ON THE MEND. I feel much better than I did, I can get air into my passages, sort of, my peak flow is hovering between 220-260 (before and after ventolin), while after the nebs in the hospital I was getting about 310.  I’m not wheezing.  But, my lungs are tight, it hurts to inhale deeply, like I should, and I have so far resisted "double dosing" my ventolin, but the temptation is coming closer since I know that if I take my dose, wait 5 min. and take another, I can actually breath. Having now discovered "what" the problem is with asthma — can anyone tell me what to expect from here — what should I do, not do, see, take, not take….I’ve read the site that John Rhoades is linked too and the FAQ — I guess what I’m looking for now is some quick tips for the fast cure.  I’m back to see a Doc. on Sept. 11 — this is all complicated by the fact that my Dr. has left town and I was in the process of getting a new one with this "crap" all happened.  So….tell me — What should I be doing, saying etc. before and to the Dr.?  All words of advice appreciated. Many thanks.

I am not a doctor but I have had similar problems with breathing during and after prednisone.  Prednisone tends to bloat you just as eating a large meal can.  Your stomach can push your lungs up and it becomes very hard to breathe.  I would suggest to you, just as my dr. did to me, eat very small meals about 5-6 times a day. Your stomach will never be as full.  Pneumonia can also damage your lungs somewhat.  I can even be responsible for the onset of emphysema, especially in us astmatics.  I have asthma and emphysema.  Good luck and health to you. Sharon Adkins

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I suppose the heading says it all but I’ll tell my story of woe.  I am 39, diagnosed with asthma at 34 — although in retrospect, I suspect I’ve had it much longer (but I never complained to the doc. about my shortness of breath because I’m overweight and "knew" that he’d just tell me to loose weight).  When I was first diagnosed at 34 I had quit smoking for about a year — then I started again about 1 yr after diagnosis (we won’t discuss that stupid decision).  Anyways, I’ve always viewed my asthma as a very "minor" issue in my life. I took my steriodal inhalers — occasionally had to double dose in the AM — but generally I did pretty good.  I quit smoking on August 11 of this year.  On August 19 I woke in the morning and after ventolin managed a measely 150 on my Peak Flow (when my asthma is sort of in abeyance I blow around 400). Went to see the Dr. and was put on Prednisone — so I was taking Pred. 40 mg/day, Becloforte 2XDay, 4 puffs, plus ventolin.  Things seemed to get better — off the pred. on August 25.  On Sept. 1 I made a visit to emergency for a nebulizer and was put back on pred.  On the 2nd, I ended up in hospital with asthma problems but with the additional diagnosis of pneumonia in my right lung.  I was released today.  SO…. still on Pred. with all the inherent nasty side-effects there, eurethromyecin (antibiotic), ventolin, becloforte (soon to be flovent)and alledgedly on the mend.  However, I DON’T FEEL ON THE MEND.   I feel much better than I did, I can get air into my passages, sort of, my peak flow is hovering between 220-260 (before and after ventolin), while after the nebs in the hospital I was getting about 310.  I’m not wheezing.  But, my lungs are tight, it hurts to inhale deeply, like I should, and I have so far resisted "double dosing" my ventolin, but the temptation is coming closer since I know that if I take my dose, wait 5 min. and take another, I can actually breath. Having now discovered "what" the problem is with asthma — can anyone tell me what to expect from here — what should I do, not do, see, take, not take….I’ve read the site that John Rhoades is linked too and the FAQ — I guess what I’m looking for now is some quick tips for the fast cure.  I’m back to see a Doc. on Sept. 11 — this is all complicated by the fact that my Dr. has left town and I was in the process of getting a new one with this "crap" all happened.  So….tell me — What should I be doing, saying etc. before and to the Dr.?  All words of advice appreciated. Many thanks.

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Hi all! I’ve been lurking with a headache for over a week & decided to join in. I have daily headaches, some sinus, tension(? I guess, tho not a tense person), new allergies, vascular & medication side effects. I have had Migraines since exactly 6mos after a total hysterectomy in 1982. Migraines have improved thru prayer, believe it or not…less frequent & not as severe, which is GREAT!  But I still do get them. I’ve been on Inderal 120mg LA for 10yrs & my reg DR won’t d/c it cuz I had an odd allergic reaction to Imitrex…a blood clot in a coronary artery…long story.  I used to rely on Fiorinal, but found the rebound headaches were worse. I just use Excedrin migraine & Excedrin PM or ecotrin…doesn’t help much & I’m sure I get rebounds from Excedrin too, but I HAVE to take something!! I have alot of other serious illnesses also & take Tylox & Soma for those.  I DID stop the nutrasweet cuz I heard it could be a cause, but haven’t noticed much difference, except a little weight gain from caloric beverages…oh well!   One thing I do recommend for ANY headache that helps ALOT & sometimes dissolves them. 1) a great husband who massages my forehead with "red Tiger Balm"…feels great & works for me. Sometimes, I can’t take the scent or know this one’s not goin’ away, so I wipe the balm off 2) Tiger balm to neck muscles & back of head 3) ICE packs to forehead & back of neck…it just soothes, doesn’t quite eliminate headache 4) Tiger balm on the sinuses  To recover from a Migraine, I start with ginger ale, saltines, Haagendaz vanilla ice cream & chicken soup. It works every time…I may be on this for a few days, but it helps the nausea, puts something in the stomach & brings some nourishment. I hope this can help any of you! ~Stacie~ Lady O writes:

  Hi all, I’ve been on Sansert since February. No real side effects (lucky me!), a slight bit of nausea when I first started, that’s it. Well, about two weeks ago, my legs started swelling. I mean, *really* swelling. I put up with it for a couple of days, until my husband looked at them and cried, "You have to see a doctor!" So, I went into the ER, no problems with my kidneys, call your "regular" doctor (whoever the h*ll that is!) take this Lasix and potassium, blah blah blah. I finally called my pain doctor, who told me it’s probably not the Sansert after this long, but better wean off of it anyhow, just in case, and we’ll see. OMG!!! I have had the most awful headache since last Monday!! I’ve been into the ER twice (*after* the first visit, because the first ER was out of dilaudid, and the morphine didn’t work, and I didn’t feel like waiting/fighting/arguing for more, and I ended up in a different ER the next day, that *HAD* dilaudid!!!), and although I’m slightly better today, I’m still counting the minutes until I can get to the pharmacy to get my refills. The Maxalt finally pooped out on me after so many days of use. How long am I going to have to endure this headache before my brain realizes that no more Sansert is coming down the chute, thank you very much?? Even if the Sansert *isn’t* causing my legs to swell, I’ll stay off of it, just so I can avoid this headache every six months. . In the meantime, I’ve got a call into the pain doc. I know that *he* knows how to dose that morphine . . . Lady :O <<<Lady O, I looked up Sansert in my nursing drug book & it CAN cause the swelling you have! generic name: Methysergide maleate action: unknown. Specifically blocks serotonin in the peripheral nervous system. ADVERSE REACTIONS: CNS: insomnia,drowsiness,euphoria, vertigo,ataxia, light-headedness,weakness,hallucinations or feelings of dissociation,rapid speech,lethargy CV(cardio-vascular):vasoconstriction,causing chest pain,vascular insufficiency of LEGS;cold,numb,pain- ful limbs with or without numbness/tingling & absent or diminished pulses, orthostatic hypotension(low BP upon arising),flushing,tachycardia(fast heartrate) PERIPHERAL EDEMA(swelling of limbs) GI:abdominal pain, nausea,vomiting,diarrhea,heart- burn,constipation ALSO:weiht gain, arthralgia,myalgia,hair loss,rash *drug shouldn’t be used for migraine,vascular head- aches, or tension (muscular contraction) headaches *if drug shows no resonse after 3wks,is unlikely to be beneficial **drug may be withdrawn gradually every 6mo & then restarted after a least 3wks **do NOT stop drug abruptly but gradually over 2-3wks;abrupt withdrawal may cause REBOUND headaches I hope you are feling better! ~Stacie!

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It’s similar to LSD & has something to do with Seratonin.  I believe it was 1964 that I began taking it at the Montifiore Headache Clinic in NYC, & they did know about the 6 month protocol there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the drug in Sansert? I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol. WE did not know that in 1965,

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What is the drug in Sansert? regards Don

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I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol.

WE did not know that in 1965, I took it for 1 and a 1/2  year and it nearly killed me. It sure took care of the headache.

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You are right . . . they still say you can’t take it for more than six months.  I figured that since I’ve been on it since February, my time was almost up, anyhow. I think that doctors consider it to be a "last ditch" effort to prevent headaches.  I have had a tremendous decrease in my headaches, but I think it is more due to the fact that I’ve eliminated aspartame from my diet, rather than the Sansert. I’m still plugging along, waiting for this stuff to get out of my system for good.  I’m not taking it any more, period! Lady – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol.  That is, no one should remain on it for more than 6 months at a time.  My experience was that it worked well for that length of time, after which I started getting what they called "breakthrough headaches".  Over a course of a couple of years, I was on it for a total of 2 six month periods. I believe that it is used mainly to "break a cycle" of headaches & is not intended for long term use (Caveat: This was many years ago & might be outdated information).  I wouldn’t discount the Sansert yet. I’ve been on Sansert since February.

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I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol.  That is, no one should remain on it for more than 6 months at a time.  My experience was that it worked well for that length of time, after which I started getting what they called "breakthrough headaches".  Over a course of a couple of years, I was on it for a total of 2 six month periods. I believe that it is used mainly to "break a cycle" of headaches & is not intended for long term use (Caveat: This was many years ago & might be outdated information). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t discount the Sansert yet. I’ve been on Sansert since February.

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Just a thought…I often had side effects hit me well into a therapy.  I didn’t get my first allergic reaction to Topomax until 8 months into it. They suspect it was a hormonal conflict, but still…you never know what will cause a reaction.  I wouldn’t discount the Sansert yet. I feel for you though, I know how those withdrawal headaches feel and it’s not pretty.  I’ll be praying for you cause some days…that’s all we got! Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’ve been on Sansert since February.  No real side effects (lucky me!), a slight bit of nausea when I first started, that’s it. Well, about two weeks ago, my legs started swelling.  I mean, *really* swelling.  I put up with it for a couple of days, until my husband looked at them and cried, "You have to see a doctor!"  So,  I went into the ER, no problems with my kidneys, call your "regular" doctor (whoever the h*ll that is!) take this Lasix and potassium, blah blah blah.  I finally called my pain doctor, who told me it’s probably not the Sansert after this long, but better wean off of it anyhow, just in case, and we’ll see. OMG!!!  I have had the most awful headache since last Monday!!  I’ve been into the ER twice (*after* the first visit, because the first ER was out of dilaudid, and the morphine didn’t work, and I didn’t feel like waiting/fighting/arguing for more, and I ended up in a different ER the next day, that *HAD* dilaudid!!!), and although I’m slightly better today, I’m still counting the minutes until I can get to the pharmacy to get my refills.  The Maxalt finally pooped out on me after so many days of use. How long am I going to have to endure this headache before my brain realizes that no more Sansert is coming down the chute, thank you very much??  Even if the Sansert *isn’t* causing my legs to swell, I’ll stay off of it, just so I can avoid this headache every six months. . . In the meantime, I’ve got a call into the pain doc.  I know that *he* knows  how to dose that morphine . . . Lady :O

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Hi all, I’ve been on Sansert since February.  No real side effects (lucky me!), a slight bit of nausea when I first started, that’s it. Well, about two weeks ago, my legs started swelling.  I mean, *really* swelling.  I put up with it for a couple of days, until my husband looked at them and cried, "You have to see a doctor!"  So,  I went into the ER, no problems with my kidneys, call your "regular" doctor (whoever the h*ll that is!) take this Lasix and potassium, blah blah blah.  I finally called my pain doctor, who told me it’s probably not the Sansert after this long, but better wean off of it anyhow, just in case, and we’ll see. OMG!!!  I have had the most awful headache since last Monday!!  I’ve been into the ER twice (*after* the first visit, because the first ER was out of dilaudid, and the morphine didn’t work, and I didn’t feel like waiting/fighting/arguing for more, and I ended up in a different ER the next day, that *HAD* dilaudid!!!), and although I’m slightly better today, I’m still counting the minutes until I can get to the pharmacy to get my refills.  The Maxalt finally pooped out on me after so many days of use. How long am I going to have to endure this headache before my brain realizes that no more Sansert is coming down the chute, thank you very much??  Even if the Sansert *isn’t* causing my legs to swell, I’ll stay off of it, just so I can avoid this headache every six months. . . In the meantime, I’ve got a call into the pain doc.  I know that *he* knows  how to dose that morphine . . . Lady :O

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Deseril (as per UK and Down Under) is Methysergide.  Used with some success but some pretty rare but bad side effects if prolonged use. Don from Down Under

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just FYO, "Deseril" is the correct spelling in: "Nursing 2002 Drug Handbook"  22nd edition Stacie    Hawki writes: Someone nicely emailed me from the UK telling me that over there Sansert IS marketed as Desiril (think that spelling is correct)…so Stacie is correct!! I also of course immediately assumed she meant Desyrl/Trazadone…of course not at all like Sansert.. learn something everyday!! this group DOES have lots of useful info to share!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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Stacie I got it now….different spellings ……I don’t think Sansert is marketed in the US as deseril tho…. rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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Just FYO, "Deseril" is the correct spelling in: "Nursing 2002 Drug Handbook"  22nd edition Stacie    Hawki writes: Someone nicely emailed me from the UK telling me that over there Sansert IS marketed as Desiril (think that spelling is correct)…so Stacie is correct!! I also of course immediately assumed she meant Desyrl/Trazadone…of course not at all like Sansert.. learn something everyday!! this group DOES have lots of useful info to share!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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Mouse Someone nicely emailed me from the UK telling me that over there Sansert IS marketed as Desiril (think that spelling is correct)…so Stacie is correct!! I also of course immediately assumed she meant Desyrl/Trazadone…of course not at all like Sansert.. learn something everyday!! this group DOES have lots of useful info to share!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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    Hawki writes: also Deseril is like Sansert Stacie Do you mean "desyrel" (trazadone)….??? This is NOT like Sansert!!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner <<<No, Hawki..DESERIL & Sansert are both "methysergide maleate"…adrenergic blockers DESYREL is "trazodone hydrochloride"….an anti-depressant Close, but quite different! Stacie

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Stacie: You can’t possibly mean Deseryl…aka trazadone, can you?  Those two drugs (deseryl and sansert) aren’t even in the same ballpark!  I can’t find reference to any drug with your spelling, Deseril.  I’ve never heard of another drug like Sansert at all.  Care to give more details? Take care, Moisie (check to verify any post allegedly by me isn’t from altopia.net/alt.net)

: Don asks: : : What is the drug in Sansert? : : "Methysergide maleate"..also Deseril is like Sansert :

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also Deseril is like Sansert

Stacie Do you mean "desyrel" (trazadone)….??? This is NOT like Sansert!!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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What is the drug in Sansert?

I think it is related to ergot, not sure,Bob Wold  knows. Toty

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Don asks: What is the drug in Sansert? "Methysergide maleate"..also Deseril is like Sansert

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Tiger Balm helps me sometimes, too.  It doesn’t get rid of the headache, but the warmth of it distracts from the pain of the headache.  I have to be careful not to get it too close to my eyes, though.  Yeouch!! And as far as I can tell, Haagen Dazs, of any flavor, will cure *anything*! Lady <—–  who loves chocolate chocolate chip!!

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   One thing I do recommend for ANY headache that helps ALOT & sometimes dissolves them. 1) a great husband who massages my forehead with "red Tiger Balm"…feels great & works for me. Sometimes, I can’t take the scent or know this one’s not goin’ away, so I wipe the balm off 2) Tiger balm to neck muscles & back of head 3) ICE packs to forehead & back of neck…it just soothes, doesn’t quite eliminate headache 4) Tiger balm on the sinuses  To recover from a Migraine, I start with ginger ale, saltines, Haagendaz vanilla ice cream & chicken soup. It works every time…I may be on this for a few days, but it helps the nausea, puts something in the stomach & brings some nourishment. I hope this can help any of you! ~Stacie~ Lady O writes:

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My left lung is the troublesome one, too.  Sometimes I feel like I’m not getting any air into it. –Jane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I only know what the All Holy Geisinger Medical Center tells me! Which at times doesn’t seem like good advice, eh? Like do they know why every winter my son’s left lung swells to the point that it isn’t functioning? Oh no! Just the left one mind you.  Oh well, what can I do except believe every word they tell me. I will tell my son’s doctor your story, if it is allright with you? Thank You, Brandy

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I first discovered I had exercise induced asthma at 38 yrs going to the doctor with what he thought was the flu and I had accepted over a couple of months as who knows, getting older,  but I believed it to be asthma. He gave me inhalers and after 2 months of not being able to function, I asked for Accolate.  At that time I was so bad that I couldn’t believe I would have a normal life again.  After 6 weeks (much longer than I read it should take)  I finally felt normal.  Accolate had worked for me and I went about 4 years without using inhalers unless I did alot of exercise.  I have gone through a few periods of problems, certain periods of being over weight or stress but otherwise I cannot believe how much Accolate changed my life.  2x a day and it works well for alot of people but be sure to use it for longer than the the directions or what you read because if I gave up after a month I would not have known it had worked for me.  The 2X day makes more sense for control of a problem but some people cannot remember to take 2X day.   For me it is no problem…Good Luck, Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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I only know what the All Holy Geisinger Medical Center tells me! Which at times doesn’t seem like good advice, eh? Like do they know why every winter my son’s left lung swells to the point that it isn’t functioning? Oh no! Just the left one mind you.  Oh well, what can I do except believe every word they tell me. I will tell my son’s doctor your story, if it is allright with you? Thank You, Brandy

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My doctor pescribed a Tilade inhaler for my exercise induced asthma.  You might ask your doctor about it.  As far as needing it for the rest of you life, there is currently no cure for asthma, only management.  Ceresse

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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I only know what the All Holy Geisinger Medical Center tells me! Which at times doesn’t seem like good advice, eh? Like do they know why every winter my son’s left lung swells to the point that it isn’t functioning? Oh no! Just the left one mind you.  Oh well, what can I do except believe every word they tell me. I will tell my son’s doctor your story, if it is allright with you? Thank You, Brandy

Yes, please feel free to tell the story.  It is important for physicians to realize that medication can be helpful, but it may depend on the patient and situation.  Making broad claims can sometimes be misleading.  Good luck with that and with your son’s problem — that one sounds scary. Is the Geisinger Medical Center in Pennsylvania?  Northeastern part? If so, my parents have used it, too.  It has a big name in that region.

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I take both Flovent and Singulair, and both have helped immensely, especially with exercise.  But I still do have to take at least one puff of my Albuterol before exercise, but I don’t have any problems after that.  It used to be that I had to take 2 puffs before, during, and after.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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That is where the Geisinger is. It is HUGE.

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I just realized I was having vivid dreams — probably caused by Advair. Thanks for mentioning this, because I hadn’t made the connection before. I was mini-golfing outside in the very cool air today and didn’t cough or feel short of breath even once, so Advair is certainly working for me. –Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S- I tried only the inhaler when exercising, but I had to keep using more and more.  Dangerous and not recommended. I complained to my allergist and he had me try Singulair.  I’m in the 2/3 group for which Singulair is effective.  I am very lucky.  I can now run, often without using an inhaler before.  A miracle for me. I recommend trying Singulair or Accolate.  If they work (and there is no guarantee), they will really make your life better and exercise more fun.  Singulair has no side effects in me.  Some people have reported vivid dreaming and some other symptoms. Talk to your doctor.

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   You won’t know ’til you try it, will you?

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Since then I’ve been mountain biking at much higher speeds and I rarely touch my Albuterol anymore. It for all practical purposes eliminates the exercise induced component of my Asthma. It makes you hyper at first, but that diminishes over time. I also take Claritin. Caritin has been a break-through medication for me and I’d put Serevent in that category too. At least so far. Al

Advair diskus contains both flovent and serevent(in a powdered form which is inhaled.)  Severent inhalors gave me bad headaches. But your right, it doesn’t make you gittery. kurt

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I’ve been on it for a week now and have not noticed any significant results. Like you, I’m an avid exerciser. I’ve had Asthma since age 4 and I’m 62. I managed to get by with Albuterol until recently. The stress of mountain biking had me overdosing on the stuff. No bad affects, but I knew I was taking too much. So I did a WEB search and found Serevent. It’s a slow release medication and it acts like Albuterol does. You take 2 puffs in the morning and two in the evening. Since then I’ve been mountain biking at much higher speeds and I rarely touch my Albuterol anymore. It for all practical purposes eliminates the exercise induced component of my Asthma. It makes you hyper at first, but that diminishes over time. My Dr put me on Singulair and Azmacort too as apparently you need to be on anti inflammatory medication as well as the Albuterol and the Serevent. I also take Claritin. Caritin has been a break-through medication for me and I’d put Serevent in that category too. At least so far. Al

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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If you are allergic to dairy products do not take singulair, it contains lactose. sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S- I tried only the inhaler when exercising, but I had to keep using more and more.  Dangerous and not recommended. I complained to my allergist and he had me try Singulair.  I’m in the 2/3 group for which Singulair is effective.  I am very lucky.  I can now run, often without using an inhaler before.  A miracle for me. I recommend trying Singulair or Accolate.  If they work (and there is no guarantee), they will really make your life better and exercise more fun.  Singulair has no side effects in me.  Some people have reported vivid dreaming and some other symptoms. Talk to your doctor.

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From what my doctor has told me Singulair will not work for Exercise-Induced asthma. Hope this helps! Brandy

Tell your doctor it works for me.  For two years now I run 4 miles in the morning (~ 8 1/2 min/mi).  Before Singulair I couldn’t run that far or that fast with an inhaler.  Sometimes I couldn’t finish the first mile.  Never had that happen after I started Singulair.  I rarely use my inhaler, too.  It can help, but everyone is different.

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From what my doctor has told me Singulair will not work for Exercise-Induced asthma. Hope this helps! Brandy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

I tried only the inhaler when exercising, but I had to keep using more and more.  Dangerous and not recommended.   I complained to my allergist and he had me try Singulair.  I’m in the 2/3 group for which Singulair is effective.  I am very lucky.  I can now run, often without using an inhaler before.  A miracle for me. I recommend trying Singulair or Accolate.  If they work (and there is no guarantee), they will really make your life better and exercise more fun.  Singulair has no side effects in me.  Some people have reported vivid dreaming and some other symptoms. Talk to your doctor.

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product….  Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database…. Thank you for comments…

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I’ve been using it 4 clicks twiced a day for 2 years and it helped me more than the others did. I do have a tendancy toward Candidas infections though from it. I rinse my mouth after use but some are just prone to it. The Nystatin for it works great.

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product….  Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database…. Thank you for comments…

Pulmicort Turbuhaler (budesonide) is one of the 2 new steroid inhalers; the other is Flovent. I use Pulmicort and consider it the best. It’s a DPI (dry powder inhaler), 200 puffs per container; I use one puff twice a day (used to use multiple puffs of weaker inhalers). It’s made by Astra of Sweden and is popular worldwide. http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/treatmnt/drug/pulmicor.htm Pulmicort Turbuhaler Ellis

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I have used it since ~1990, and am very very pleased with it.  No problems at all. SW

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I have used it since ~1990, and am very very pleased with it.  No problems at all. SW

DITTO except mine is Feb 93.. i was on a high dose of becloforte at the time starwind turned my attention to pulmicort, and i REFUSE to go back! it improved my asthma visibly and immeasurably as to quality of life, ability to function like a human being, not an asthmatic, and my ability to fight off infections, or at least prevent them from escalating to pneumonia, as had been my previous track of life … the difference was noticed w/in 24 hours, and when i’d finally increased up to a dose my doctor felt was good for me, i’d nearly added 30% to my peakflows… Pauline

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product….  Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database…. Thank you for comments… Pulmicort Turbuhaler (budesonide) is one of the 2 new steroid inhalers; the other is Flovent. I use Pulmicort and consider it the best. It’s a DPI (dry powder inhaler), 200 puffs per container;

The leaflet with mine says that the number of puffs per container depend on the version being used – there is Pulmicort 100 (200 puffs I think), 200 (100 puffs) and 400 (50 puffs).  In other words there is the same amount of drug in each inhaler but the mechanism varies in some way to deliver different doses.  Therefore if you need 4 puffs twice a day of the 100, switching to the 400 will mean you need 1 puff twice a day but the inhaler won’t last any longer.  However it will be easier and quicker to take. I use one puff twice a day (used to use multiple puffs of weaker inhalers). It’s made by Astra of Sweden and is popular worldwide. http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/treatmnt/drug/pulmicor.htm Pulmicort Turbuhaler Ellis

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Hi What is the incidence of thrush like with the pulmicort inhaler vs. Flovent? Switching to blue cross HMO (USA) and they do not cover azmacort. Chilla

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I was very happy with Pulmicort, too (only stopped when I switched to Singulair).  I liked both the fact that the "spacer" was essentially part of the inhaler itself, and that the inhaler kept track of how many puffs you’d used, so you knew when it needed replacing. Seemed to work at least as well as Vanceril DS, which I’d been using before then.

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The leaflet with mine says that the number of puffs per container depend on the version being used – there is Pulmicort 100 (200 puffs I think), 200 (100 puffs) and 400 (50 puffs).  In other words there is the same

In both Canada and the US, the 200mcg/dose version has 200 doses; not sure what the other dose versions have; the 200mcg/dose is the only one available in the US. SW.

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Question to the group??? Need feedback on this product….  Positive or negative.. I remember some commentary a while back but it has gone from the database….

I’ve been using it for about a year.  I like it better than the MDI stuff.   No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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my 400mcg turbohaler has 200 inhalations in it… Pauline puffs at ibm dot net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The leaflet with mine says that the number of puffs per container depend on the version being used – there is Pulmicort 100 (200 puffs I think), 200 (100 puffs) and 400 (50 puffs).  In other words there is the same In both Canada and the US, the 200mcg/dose version has 200 doses; not sure what the other dose versions have; the 200mcg/dose is the only one available in the US. SW.

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The leaflet with mine says that the number of puffs per container depend on the version being used – there is Pulmicort 100 (200 puffs I think), 200 (100 puffs) and 400 (50 puffs).  In other words there is the same amount of drug in each inhaler but the mechanism varies in some way to deliver different doses.  Therefore if you need 4 puffs twice a day of the 100, switching to the 400 will mean you need 1 puff twice a day but the inhaler won’t last any longer.  However it will be easier and quicker to take.

The capacity of pulmicort turbohaler differs in different countrys. We, in Germany have Pulmicort 200

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the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer.

Um, has more to do with the fact that high levels of aluminum have been linked to alzhymers. Mostly just a worry if theres a famly histery. Elf-Kin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone take allergy shots for asthma?  I did for years-once a month.  The injection (1) was for dust, molds, trees, cats, dogs, etc. and it was delivered in an oil based substance.  Recently my allergist retired and said that the oil based substance from Bayer was no longer available.  Now I have started with a new allergist and have been going for weekly shots and this schedule may last 8 months.  Her nurse, who now gives the injections, 5 separate ones, told me that I had to start at a low dose to build up my resistance to the allergens and that this(water based) works faster than those I was used to.  She added that the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer. My questions are: 1.   Why weekly shots for 8 months when I had one monthly for years containing all allergens? 2.   With all the new meds. today is this really worth my time and money to go 60 miles r/t for these shots ?  I currently take serevent, azmacort, nasacort, choledyl and allegra.  The trip is taken because my allergist recommended her and I don’t have good one’s nearby.

I had allergy shots for 5 years, then stopped. I didn’t notice any difference in my symptoms after stopping. Now might be a good time to stop the shots and see if you notice any difference. Shots are a hassle, and there’s always the possibility of an anaphylactic reaction. It happened to me once; My peak flow dropped to 20% of normal 90 minutes after the shots; fortunately I was still at the clinic and went back to the allergist for a couple shots of epi; it left me shaking the rest of the day. Many cases of adult asthma are largely nonallergic asthma. The new inhalers like Pulmicort and Serevent seem to adequately control most asthma; plus Nasalcrom, Rhinocort, etc for rhinitis. If your symptoms worsen, you can always start up the shots again later. Ellis 3.  Does having 5 separate shots mean more money for Allergist? 4.  The same question for starting me on a low dose-$ for Allergist. Thanks for any info. Jo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone take allergy shots for asthma?  I did for years-once a month.  The injection (1) was for dust, molds, trees, cats, dogs, etc. and it was delivered in an oil based substance.  Recently my allergist retired and said that the oil based substance from Bayer was no longer available.  Now I have started with a new allergist and have been going for weekly shots and this schedule may last 8 months.  Her nurse, who now gives the injections, 5 separate ones, told me that I had to start at a low dose to build up my resistance to the allergens and that this(water based) works faster than those I was used to.  She added that the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer. My questions are: 1.   Why weekly shots for 8 months when I had one monthly for years containing all allergens?

======= It’s the standard regiem. I would be guessing but here goes: Oil based shots are absorbed more slowly than water based ones and frequently are used in "depo" preparations that last longer. I would assume that all the allergens were combined due to solubility factors. 2.   With all the new meds. today is this really worth my time and money to go 60 miles r/t for these shots ?  I currently take serevent, azmacort, nasacort, choledyl and allegra.  The trip is taken because my allergist recommended her and I don’t have good one’s nearby.

======= Any clinic will give you the shots. When I took them I gave them to myself. Any time you change formulation or have even a slight reaction you should go to a clinic for the next few shots. I have given them to my wife on and off for  34 years. Personally, I don’t put a lot of faith in allergy shots for long term management but reasonable people do disagree. I see no reason why the solutions can’t be sent to your local doctor to give the injections and then just go for a periodic checkup with the allergist. We give them in my office and I was under the impression that most others did the same.

I have taken them, my father has taken them and my wife takes them. My wife thinks they help her but not a lot. I didn’t think they did much at all. They cured my dad’s problems. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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I live in the UK and we had some programs on TV last year showing work on allergies at well-known British hospitals.  They had three cases I can remember, a chap who had just become allergic to some kinds of seafood (advice: avoid them), an asthmatic girl allergic to dust mites (advice: get rid of the carpet etc. in her bedroom and put proper covers on the mattress, pillow, duvet and sofa), and another allergic to cats (can’t remember if she also was asthmatics – advice: get allergy shots). For the seafood guy he was comforted to know what causes his near fatal reaction, though miffed as he loved seafood!  The girl with dust mite problems was much improved and needed less drugs, and the girl allergic to cats could visit a relative’s house where there was a cat, and even stroke and pet the cat with no (or very few) ill effects.  This suggests that for the right case they can be very effective. PS the overseeing doctor was (in my eyes) very young, and a most attractive female blond.  I bet her patients were always looking forward to the next visit!  She had a lovely manner with her patients and seemed highly competent.  I can’t remember the name of the hospital (or the channel or the program) but it was a leader in the UK on this kind of problem.  Maybe that’s the message!  Go see an expert! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anyone take allergy shots for asthma?  I did for years-once a month.  The injection (1) was for dust, molds, trees, cats, dogs, etc. and it was delivered in an oil based substance.  Recently my allergist retired and said that the oil based substance from Bayer was no longer available.  Now I have started with a new allergist and have been going for weekly shots and this schedule may last 8 months.  Her nurse, who now gives the injections, 5 separate ones, told me that I had to start at a low dose to build up my resistance to the allergens and that this(water based) works faster than those I was used to.  She added that the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer. My questions are: 1.   Why weekly shots for 8 months when I had one monthly for years containing all allergens? 2.   With all the new meds. today is this really worth my time and money to go 60 miles r/t for these shots ?  I currently take serevent, azmacort, nasacort, choledyl and allegra.  The trip is taken because my allergist recommended her and I don’t have good one’s nearby. 3.  Does having 5 separate shots mean more money for Allergist? 4.  The same question for starting me on a low dose-$ for Allergist. Thanks for any info. Jo

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I just started allergy shots. I only get 3 separate ones. I seem to be allergic to the same things as you, maybe even more. My allergist combined some of the allergens into the same shots. The reason for separate injections is so that if you have a reaction, that specific bottle can be adjusted without affecting the other bottles. As for the money, my insurance statements are only saying one injection.I’ve received shots in the past, I feel that they did alot of good. This past year has been terrible for me and I think that part of the reason is because I had stopped the shots 2 years ago. Good Luck. Jody

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Hi Jo I have brittle asthma and take a great deal of medication for this.  I have not had the shots that you enquire about, but I have know people who do. I am not sure if you are from the states or not.  I live in England and although the shots are given here, they are mostly frowned upon, due to the fact that giving these shots has not proven any more effective than treating the allergies as they occur and also because they are extremely dangerous! I am severely allergic to penicillin, bee and wasp stings, garlic and almonds.  I also have severe allergies to grass and tree pollen and the house dust mite.  I did ask about these shots once and was told by Dr Ayres of Birmingham Heartlands Hospital (one of two hospitals in the UK which deal with brittle asthma), that they were far too dangerous to be given to somebody with my condition and he seemed to not favour them at all. Obviously, you will do as you will and how you feel comfortable, but it may be worth giving these shots a miss and taking antihistamines and other therapies for your condition, instead of these injections.  I, also, have no idea why they would use aluminium in the shots.  To the best of my (limited) knowledge on this, aluminium is not a substance used to help another substance dissolve, so why it is in it I have no idea! Sorry I could not help more!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone take allergy shots for asthma?  I did for years-once a month.  The injection (1) was for dust, molds, trees, cats, dogs, etc. and it was delivered in an oil based substance.  Recently my allergist retired and said that the oil based substance from Bayer was no longer available.  Now I have started with a new allergist and have been going for weekly shots and this schedule may last 8 months.  Her nurse, who now gives the injections, 5 separate ones, told me that I had to start at a low dose to build up my resistance to the allergens and that this(water based) works faster than those I was used to.  She added that the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer. My questions are: 1.   Why weekly shots for 8 months when I had one monthly for years containing all allergens? 2.   With all the new meds. today is this really worth my time and money to go 60 miles r/t for these shots ?  I currently take serevent, azmacort, nasacort, choledyl and allegra.  The trip is taken because my allergist recommended her and I don’t have good one’s nearby. 3.  Does having 5 separate shots mean more money for Allergist? 4.  The same question for starting me on a low dose-$ for Allergist. Thanks for any info. Jo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone take allergy shots for asthma?  I did for years-once a month.  The injection (1) was for dust, molds, trees, cats, dogs, etc. and it was delivered in an oil based substance.  Recently my allergist retired and said that the oil based substance from Bayer was no longer available.  Now I have started with a new allergist and have been going for weekly shots and this schedule may last 8 months.  Her nurse, who now gives the injections, 5 separate ones, told me that I had to start at a low dose to build up my resistance to the allergens and that this(water based) works faster than those I was used to.  She added that the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer. My questions are: 1.   Why weekly shots for 8 months when I had one monthly for years containing all allergens?

I would be guessing but here goes: Oil based shots are absorbed more slowly than water based ones and frequently are used in "depo" preparations that last longer. I would assume that all the allergens were combined due to solubility factors. 2.   With all the new meds. today is this really worth my time and money to go 60 miles r/t for these shots ?  I currently take serevent, azmacort, nasacort, choledyl and allegra.  The trip is taken because my allergist recommended her and I don’t have good one’s nearby.

Personally, I don’t put a lot of faith in allergy shots for long term management but reasonable people do disagree. I see no reason why the solutions can’t be sent to your local doctor to give the injections and then just go for a periodic checkup with the allergist. We give them in my office and I was under the impression that most others did the same. 3.  Does having 5 separate shots mean more money for Allergist?

Probably, but I doubt this is the reason. 4.  The same question for starting me on a low dose-$ for Allergist.

No, this is the common protocol. Thanks for any info. Jo

– CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

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Does anyone take allergy shots for asthma?  I did for years-once a month.  The injection (1) was for dust, molds, trees, cats, dogs, etc. and it was delivered in an oil based substance.  Recently my allergist retired and said that the oil based substance from Bayer was no longer available.  Now I have started with a new allergist and have been going for weekly shots and this schedule may last 8 months.  Her nurse, who now gives the injections, 5 separate ones, told me that I had to start at a low dose to build up my resistance to the allergens and that this(water based) works faster than those I was used to.  She added that the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer. My questions are: 1.   Why weekly shots for 8 months when I had one monthly for years containing all allergens? 2.   With all the new meds. today is this really worth my time and money to go 60 miles r/t for these shots ?  I currently take serevent, azmacort, nasacort, choledyl and allegra.  The trip is taken because my allergist recommended her and I don’t have good one’s nearby. 3.  Does having 5 separate shots mean more money for Allergist? 4.  The same question for starting me on a low dose-$ for Allergist. Thanks for any info. Jo

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Does anyone take allergy shots for asthma?  I did for years-once a month.  The injection (1) was for dust, molds, trees, cats, dogs, etc. and it was delivered in an oil based substance.  Recently my allergist retired and said that the oil based substance from Bayer was no longer available.  Now I have started with a new allergist and have been going for weekly shots and this schedule may last 8 months.  Her nurse, who now gives the injections, 5 separate ones, told me that I had to start at a low dose to build up my resistance to the allergens and that this(water based) works faster than those I was used to.  She added that the previous were aluminum based.  This information was new to me and I questioned the use of aluminum, to which she replied that I should not worry.  I associated this with cancer.

Don’t. My questions are: 1.   Why weekly shots for 8 months when I had one monthly for years containing all allergens?

Hopefully you were retested — this should be done at least once during the course of shots.  Then a new formulation is made up and you need to "ramp up" on that.  When I took the shots the started out 3 times a week, then twice a week, then once a week, then every two weeks.  Never got to once a month.  (This was 30 years ago.) 2.   With all the new meds. today is this really worth my time and money to go 60 miles r/t for these shots ?  I currently take serevent, azmacort, nasacort, choledyl and allegra.  The trip is taken because my allergist recommended her and I don’t have good one’s nearby.

That’s for you to judge, based on how bad your symptoms are and how well you tolerate your meds.  In my opinion the fewer meds the better. You should be able to arrange to have your shots administered by a clinic, doctor, or nurse closer to home.  Once the mixture is made up and the dosage established then it’s something that just about any medical person can do.  I believe that sometimes the shots are even given by a family member. 3.  Does having 5 separate shots mean more money for Allergist?

I don’t know why you would be having 5 separate shots vs one mixture. But I haven’t dealt with this for nearly 30 years. 4.  The same question for starting me on a low dose-$ for Allergist.

Starting with a low dose is prudent, even if not absolutely necessary.

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sylvain, (&FJ if you’re reading this) been out of town for almost a week, hence the delayed reply. i switched to lexapro at the instigation of my female companion, to reduce the well-known sexual side-effect. in my case, the sexual side-effect was greatly reduced in fact.

  That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med?

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  That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med?

Usually you should be able to cut down one med and up the other at the same time but discuss it with your shrink.

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wrote in message <news:3f5b685f$1@news.swissonline.ch… FJ wrote:   That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med? Usually you should be able to cut down one med and up the other at the same time but discuss it with your shrink.

i actually stopped taking the paxil completely & switched to lexapro the day after i got some. i wasn’t as worried about that as i perhaps should have been, because several times before i had missed one dose of paxil–but made sure i never missed two in consecutive days–and missing one dose didn’t affect me greatly, just made me a little edgy.

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yitwail wrote:

i actually stopped taking the paxil completely & switched to lexapro the day after i got some. i wasn’t as worried about that as i perhaps should have been, because several times before i had missed one dose of paxil–but made sure i never missed two in consecutive days–and missing one dose didn’t affect me greatly, just made me a little edgy.

At times I get all sad if I only miss my Effexor dose by a few hours. At other times I can miss it completely for a day and don’t notice. It’s weird.

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"FJ" <F@J wrote in message news:3f4e34ac$0$19384$d40e179e@nntp05.dk.telia.net… If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.   Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore? FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage for SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I don’t believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do so. You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain.

or you could try 30mg before going to 40mg, trying for a little better mileage. i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

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i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

 How did Lexapro woork for you, compared to seroxat?

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> > news:3f4e34ac$0$19384$d40e179e@nntp05.dk.telia.net… > > > > If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick > > > > I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. > > > > Sylvain. > > >   Hi Sylvain! > > >   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again,

untill the   med doesn’t work anymore? FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage

for

SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I

don’t

believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do

so.

You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain. or you could try 30mg before going to 40mg, trying for a little better mileage.

Yitwail. Yes, of course he could. I tried it myself, but it hardly made any difference. Going to 40 Mg did the trick.

i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

Agreed. I have 2 questions: Why did you stop at 30 Mg of Paroxetine (Paxil, Seroxat), and start with Lexapro (Escitalopram) rather than going with Celexa (Citalopram)? I won’t carry on with this thread after this message. Sylvain

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wrote in message <news:YI_3b.3132$FZ3.672264@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net… I have 2 questions: Why did you stop at 30 Mg of Paroxetine (Paxil, Seroxat), and start with Lexapro (Escitalopram) rather than going with Celexa (Citalopram)? I won’t carry on with this thread after this message. Sylvain

sylvain, (&FJ if you’re reading this) been out of town for almost a week, hence the delayed reply. i switched to lexapro at the instigation of my female companion, to reduce the well-known sexual side-effect. in my case, the sexual side-effect was greatly reduced in fact. otherwise, i haven’t noticed any significant medical difference between 30mg paxil & 10mg lexapro. lexapro does cost a bit more in the copayment required by my medical insurance.

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If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.

  Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore?

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If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.   Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore?

FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage for SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I don’t believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do so. You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain.

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Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.

   Thanks for the answer, but do you think that a change will lessen the SP more than the weaned off seroxat

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FJ wrote:

Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.    Thanks for the answer, but do you think that a change will lessen the SP more than the weaned off seroxat

Hard to say, really. They all fight SP to some extent but their effectiveness is highly dependent on the individual. Effexor works quite nicely for me and simply fantastic when it comes to my depression.

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

FJ. If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

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FJ wrote:

    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.

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Question:

Is this pretty much normal for coming off Paxil? I took a look at the website you recommended and there seem to be a lot of side effects. I’m asking on behalf of my 10 year old nephew. Today his doctor changed his medication from Paxil to something else (can’t remember – began with an R). He was on 20mg a day and he’s cutting the dose in half for the next three days, then having him take the half dose every other day. His mom is already at the end of her rope and if there are going to be side effects from this, she’s totally unprepared for them.

If you are changing from one antidepressant to another, I don’t think you will have side effects (or they won’t be as bad). NK

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On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off

of

it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad

I’d

have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go

through

my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the

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website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a

period

of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the

medication

without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too

but

not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor

depression

but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution .

I have mixed feelings about the TV advertising. On one level, I’m glad people can see there are options to help them. Educating the public is not a bad thing but I totaly agree that medications (for depression and ADHD) are being doled out more often than they should. I ‘m not a nurse but I’ve worked in the medical field for the past 27 years and I’m always seeing MD’s prescribe psych meds that have no business doing so (i.e regular GPs and gynecologists).  I can’t tell you all the ADHD kids I see coming in for pre-medication work ups that could probably benefit from other options rather than medication but that’s the easiest avenue. I had a friend who was a little down and she went to her GYN doc and asked for an antidepressant and he prescribed Effexor! Despite this, I’m still a firm believer in medication under the right circumstances. I was in bad shape at one time and I probably would be dead or severely incapacitated without it. Thank goodness I went to a competant psychiatrist and he was willing to work with me when the time came to come off the Paxil. Some of them out there do not believe in the discontinuation symptoms and make their patients go cold turkey. Brutal! Patients also need to take a little responsibility for their own health by asking questions and reading up on their medications (maybe this is not such a good idea if you have OCD like me). IMO, it all boils down to: how badly is your life being affected by your disorder? I was bad enough that a few side effects were a better option than what I was dealing with. NK

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wrote: "jake" <inva…@invalid.com wrote in message news:kn66bv4osdbnirrfvv944s2q3p5hv98d6g@4ax.com… On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution . I have mixed feelings about the TV advertising. On one level, I’m glad people can see there are options to help them. Educating the public is not a bad thing but I totaly agree that medications (for depression and ADHD) are being doled out more often than they should.

Education of the consumer is critical to any kind of informed consent worth the name. The Sales Departments of multinational drug companies are hardly a suitable institution to undertake this task though.

I ‘m not a nurse but I’ve worked in the medical field for the past 27 years and I’m always seeing MD’s prescribe psych meds that have no business doing so (i.e regular GPs and gynecologists).  I can’t tell you all the ADHD kids I see coming in for pre-medication work ups that could probably benefit from other options rather than medication but that’s the easiest avenue. I had a friend who was a little down and she went to her GYN doc and asked for an antidepressant and he prescribed Effexor!

how totally irresponsible .It is probably his standard practice,scribbling a script takes little effort.

Despite this, I’m still a firm believer in medication under the right circumstances. I was in bad shape at one time and I probably would be dead or severely incapacitated without it.

One can never know , of course , but in critical situations of genuine need it has been a boon to many. The problem arise withthe commercial pressures to define more and more circumstances as the "right " ones.

Thank goodness I went to a competant psychiatrist and he was willing to work with me when the time came to come off the Paxil.

Indeed  Some of them out there do not believe in the discontinuation

symptoms and make their patients go cold turkey. Brutal!

Completely irresponsible and verging on criminal negligence.. They should be forced to educate themselves before being allowed to prescribe them.

Patients also need to take a little responsibility for their own health by asking questions and reading up on their medications (maybe this is not such a good idea if you have OCD like me).

:

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Yes it can be so easy to be constantly scanning for signs of dire consequences.. They key perhaps lies with a compentant doctor who actually takes th truble to monitor his patients halth , rather than feeling the problem is soved if the patient goes away with a bottle of pills in their hand and doesn’t return.

IMO, it all boils down to: how badly is your life being affected by your disorder?

of course..

I was bad enough that a few side effects were a better option than what I was dealing with.

The fact that you managed to get off the Paxil will be an inspiration to many who despair of ever being able to. As you know if you are familiar with the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ support site there are those whose experiences with the drug are far more horrific than any complaint they may have been prescribed it for. __ Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life. -Lord Byron http://www.schizoaffective.org/

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which one do you use Great? "Great" <k…@xyz.com

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Which one do you use Great that doesn’t cause it? "Great" <k…@xyz.com

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After eight months without any problem it’s a pretty safe bet. Any impotence I experience is going to be for other reasons. "jake" <inva…@invalid.com

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On Sat, 03 May 2003 10:27:24 GMT, "Roger" <roge…@hotmail.com wrote: There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it. well dont tempt fate ..It has not as yet

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Bupropion doesn’t cause it. Ritalin doesn’t cause it. Deprynl also doesn’t cause it. "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com

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> > news:5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… > > > I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is

this true?  Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

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wrote: There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it.

well dont tempt fate ..It has not as yet In response to the original posters query,there is no doubt whatsoever that impotence is a commonly observed adverse reaction, and it is misleading to suggest otherwise Commonly Observed Adverse Reactions: http://www.effexor-xr-side-effects-withdrawal.com/adverse-effects-eff… The most commonly observed adverse events associated with the use of venlafaxine (incidence of 5% or greater) and not seen at an equivalent incidence among placebo-treated patients (i.e., incidence for venlafaxine at least twice that for placebo), derived from the 1% incidence Table III, were asthenia, sweating, nausea, constipation, anorexia, vomiting, somnolence, dry mouth, dizziness nervousness, anxiety, tremor, blurred vision, and abnormal ejaculation/orgasm and impotence in men. __ The long term effects could be far more drastic http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/antidepr… But perhaps the most troubling problem with the newer drugs is that no one is sure just what their long-term effects might be. There are some new, troubling reports that Effexor may cause tardive dyskinesia, a movement disorder that may be permanent, involving writhing, wormlike movements of the body, lips, and tongue. But many chronically depressed people say they don’t care. They’re willing to pay the price of future uncertainty to buy freedom from depression today.

"Great" <k…@xyz.com wrote in message news:b90428$e7ruh$1@ID-189619.news.dfncis.de… There is no doubt about this fact. It causes impotense. "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com wrote in message news:5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true?  Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

"When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a  pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the  harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/  Thomas.J.Moore

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There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it. "Great" <k…@xyz.com

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I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is

this

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On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net

wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot.

sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution . Of course in most advanced countries other than the USA , such activities are in fact  illegal.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

"jake" <inva…@invalid.com wrote in message news:2qe4bvsohuqflnkqf52m7o7743v1knghcv@4ax.com… On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:22:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com wrote: "kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this?  I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch.  I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either.  This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you.  You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS!  it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a  pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the  harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/  Thomas.J.Moore

"When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a  pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the  harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/  Thomas.J.Moore

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X-No-Archive: Yes On Fri, 02 May 2003 10:41:44 +0100, jake <inva…@invalid.com wrote: <snip Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS!   I had terrible sides from Effexor XR; after only 6 weeks I’d lost 9kg – a lot for someone of my build. Some 5% of people develop anorexia – not something you normally associate with 47 y.o. males, but I got it. I had no energy, no stamina, could barely get out of bed and lost *all* interest in food.  If I hadn’t realised what was going on – and a mate hadn’t visited a few times and said I was looking *really* sick & gaunt I may have ended up in hospital or dead.  I put a post on the newsgroup and got quite a few emails from people who’ve had terrible side’s from Effexor XR.  There is an excellent page run by a woman called Belynda with stories about bad times from Effexor & Effexor XR; the URL is: <http://members.tripod.com/~BWarner/effexor.html.  The page is called "Effexor Withdrawal" and gives a brief description of her own Effexor history, as well as comments by people who have had trouble with it – believe it or not, these pages of people’s troubles run for 480-odd pages: quite a few problems.

Oh well it seems to have gone, unfortunately.. I am not too suprised there were so many complaints it is the No 2 drug for withdrawal problems __ Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life. -Lord Byron http://www.schizoaffective.org/

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I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. NK

Is this pretty much normal for coming off Paxil? I took a look at the website you recommended and there seem to be a lot of side effects. I’m asking on behalf of my 10 year old nephew. Today his doctor changed his medication from Paxil to something else (can’t remember – began with an R). He was on 20mg a day and he’s cutting the dose in half for the next three days, then having him take the half dose every other day. His mom is already at the end of her rope and if there are going to be side effects from this, she’s totally unprepared for them.

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I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. NK "jake" <inva…@invalid.com

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On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:22:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com wrote: "kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this?  I thought I’ve seen many posts about how

effexor

xr makes people a uniuch.  I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and

while

it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual

feelings/thoughts

either.  This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you.  You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS!  it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to

embrace a

 pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to

the

 harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/  Thomas.J.Moore

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"kevin" wrote in message …

Are you sure about this?  I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch.  I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either.  This scared me.

Try it and see how it affects you.  You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent.

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"kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this?  I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch.  I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either.  This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you.  You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects,

Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS!    it’s not like the loss of libido

is permanent.

"When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a  pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the  harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/  Thomas.J.Moore

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Prozac didn’t affect my sex drive at all but everyone is different. Taking antidepressants is like a crap shootas far as side effects are concerned. Don’t refuse to take it on the possibility you *might* have a certain side effect because maybe it won’t happen. I’ve tried several, several antidepressants before I found one I was able to stay on for 13 years. I recently weaned off of them but if I need to take them again, I will. I’ve learned to try them out for a few weeks and see what happens before I pass judgement. If the side effects are intolerable, then I try something else. NK "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com

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this

true?  Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect.  I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it.  My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened.  Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely.  You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.

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Has definitely not caused me any sexual side effects. "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net

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I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true?  Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

Many antidepressant, Effexor among them, can cause all sorts of sexual dysfunction. There are some ways around it. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/medsdysfunction Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true?  Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees?

Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect.  I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it.  My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened.  Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely.  You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.

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Are you sure about this?  I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch.  I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either.  This scared me. "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com

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"kevin" wrote in message <5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is

this

true?  Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect.  I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it.  My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened.  Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely.  You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.

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I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true?  Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

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Don’t know much about Effexor, but isn’t that an SNRI, like Strattera?  I’m not sure.  I can tell you that I’m currently taking Celexa (which is an SSRI), and that has had some pretty negative sexual side effects.  Like taking an hour to masturbate (delayed ejaculation is a side effect). Sheesh.  I’m also taking Strattera (again, an SNRI), which I started a few weeks after the Celexa, and I can’t say that it has made the sexual side effects any better or worse. The only anti-depressent that I’m aware of that doesn’t seem to have any negative sexual side effects is Wellbutrin.  But it can make you feel jittery, which can make any anxiety problems worse. Mike "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com

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Most ADs including Effexor frequently cause sexual dysfunction. However it’s very individualistic — some men aren’t affected by some drugs, or only at higher dosages. But as a general statement, yes most ADs affect many men this way. The exceptions are Mirtazapine (Remeron), and Bupropion (Wellbutrin). — Joe D.

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It definitely caused me sexual side effects NK "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com

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ok, so here is my story went to my psych three weeks ago he told me to lower my dose of buspar from 40 mgs/day to 20mgs/day, then after 2 weeks go off it all together am still taking the zoloft, 100 mgs/day and the lorazepam, .5 mgs/day, sometimes 1 mg/day neways, did that wrong thing to do yesterday aft, had about 5-6 panic attacks in a matter of 2 hours shitty shitty shitty thought 4 sure i was going to die tried everything possible, but the damn things kept coming back finally got ahold of my family doc, after trying numerous times to get ahold of my psych he told me to go back on the buspar and start with 10 mgs/day, but hell with that am going to take 20 mgs/day after yesterday, don’t want that to happen again hopefully today will b alot better scared the shit outta my 6 yr old and my fiance will let you all know tomorrow how i did today later…..

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Sounds like the BuSpar was augmenting the anti-panic effects of the Zoloft. Chip

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so here is my story went to my psych three weeks ago he told me to lower my dose of buspar from 40 mgs/day to 20mgs/day, then after 2 weeks go off it all together am still taking the zoloft, 100 mgs/day and the lorazepam, .5 mgs/day, sometimes 1 mg/day neways, did that wrong thing to do yesterday aft, had about 5-6 panic attacks in a matter of 2 hours shitty shitty shitty thought 4 sure i was going to die tried everything possible, but the damn things kept coming back finally got ahold of my family doc, after trying numerous times to get ahold of my psych he told me to go back on the buspar and start with 10 mgs/day, but hell with that am going to take 20 mgs/day after yesterday, don’t want that to happen again hopefully today will b alot better scared the shit outta my 6 yr old and my fiance will let you all know tomorrow how i did today later…..

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:he told me to go back on the buspar and start with 10 mgs/day, but hell with :that :am going to take 20 mgs/day :after yesterday, don’t want that to happen again :hopefully today will b alot better :scared the shit outta my 6 yr old and my fiance :will let you all know tomorrow how i did today :later….. Hi Joe, I would talk to your psych doctor before you reinstate the Buspar. Buspar is NOT a med for panic disorder, it is usually ineffective in treating panic attacks. I recall a few weeks ago that you`ve been trying to get off increased anxiety could very well be from that. How long have you been on Ativan and why are you trying to get off of it? I think it is very important that you talk to your psych doctor today about what happened over the weekend. Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so here is my story went to my psych three weeks ago he told me to lower my dose of buspar from 40 mgs/day to 20mgs/day, then after 2 weeks go off it all together am still taking the zoloft, 100 mgs/day and the lorazepam, .5 mgs/day, sometimes 1 mg/day neways, did that wrong thing to do yesterday aft, had about 5-6 panic attacks in a matter of 2 hours shitty shitty shitty thought 4 sure i was going to die tried everything possible, but the damn things kept coming back finally got ahold of my family doc, after trying numerous times to get ahold of my psych he told me to go back on the buspar and start with 10 mgs/day, but hell with that am going to take 20 mgs/day after yesterday, don’t want that to happen again hopefully today will b alot better scared the shit outta my 6 yr old and my fiance will let you all know tomorrow how i did today later…..

If you have panic attacks and are diagnosed with Panic Disorder I would skip the Buspar if I were you. It rarely if ever works for PD and only sometimes for mild to moderate GAD. IMHO and exceptions to the rule notwithstanding this is a med we can do without. However, your Zoloft dose can be raised and, perhaps more importantly, so can your lorazepam. You should of course run this by your doctor (even if he prescribed you Buspar for panic which is reason enough to switch pdocs) but it might be a good idea to take lorazepam at a regular daily dose as well (starting with 1 mg four times daily, see what that gets you and take it from there) to avoid panic attacks connected with interdose anxiety (lorazepam is a short working benzo, it works for an average of 6 hours). Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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okay, so yesterday went well took the 10mgs of buspar in the am and another 10 in the pm my psych told me that if i started having problems again, that i could go back on it he also told me that the buspar boosts, or whatever, the zoloft i don’t want to go off the lorazepam, by any means, but the docs r hounding me too but they work, so y should i hopefully 2day will b just as good as yesterday, if not better thanx for all the input guys oh yeah, and by the way, joe isn’t my name, it is audrey it is just the way we have our email set up later…… audrey

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so here is my story went to my psych three weeks ago he told me to lower my dose of buspar from 40 mgs/day to 20mgs/day, then after 2 weeks go off it all together am still taking the zoloft, 100 mgs/day and the lorazepam, .5 mgs/day, sometimes 1 mg/day neways, did that wrong thing to do yesterday aft, had about 5-6 panic attacks in a matter of 2 hours shitty shitty shitty thought 4 sure i was going to die tried everything possible, but the damn things kept coming back finally got ahold of my family doc, after trying numerous times to get ahold of my psych he told me to go back on the buspar and start with 10 mgs/day, but hell with that am going to take 20 mgs/day after yesterday, don’t want that to happen again hopefully today will b alot better scared the shit outta my 6 yr old and my fiance will let you all know tomorrow how i did today later….. If you have panic attacks and are diagnosed with Panic Disorder I would skip the Buspar if I were you. It rarely if ever works for PD and only sometimes for mild to moderate GAD. IMHO and exceptions to the rule notwithstanding this is a med we can do without. However, your Zoloft dose can be raised and, perhaps more importantly, so can your lorazepam. You should of course run this by your doctor (even if he prescribed you Buspar for panic which is reason enough to switch pdocs) but it might be a good idea to take lorazepam at a regular daily dose as well (starting with 1 mg four times daily, see what that gets you and take it from there) to avoid panic attacks connected with interdose anxiety (lorazepam is a short working benzo, it works for an average of 6 hours). Philip

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I have crohn’s and I have been taking propranolol for essential tremor for 3 years now.  I have not noticed any side effects. I assume by your phrase "the opposite of the usual" that you mean constipation as opposed to diarreha.  I have always been constipated so maybe that’s why I don’t notice it. Before you buy.

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Hello, Is anyone taking this besides me? I take it for essential tremors and for the first time in over 20 years my hand writing is readable. There are some side effects with my crohns which are just the opposite of the normal side effects. Thanks, Ricko in KY

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I take it sometimes before performances and have never had any problems. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Is anyone taking this besides me? I take it for essential tremors and for the first time in over 20 years my hand writing is readable. There are some side effects with my crohns which are just the opposite of the normal side effects. Thanks, Ricko in KY I used to take it, but stopped when my intestinal disease became unbearable. Too many pills to take, sick anyway, don’t need anymore pills. —- stevenscott

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