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Okay so I am on the last part of a prednisone taper.  After three days at the beginning, I was feeling pretty good (other than the side effects from the stuff)… I was off my albuterol and Robitussin and just taking the Flovent and Serevent.  Then Saturday I woke up with a nasty loose congestion in my chest and I have been coughing it up ever since.   To top it all off, my back hurts incredibly and I am dizzy a lot.   My peak flows (which were getting better) seem to be dropping again.  I took my albuterol this afternoon and I thought I was going to pass out. Need some input… Do I just have a cold?  Does it sound like something more?  I am so fuzzy headed I just can’t figure this out… Marina

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: Okay so I am on the last part of a prednisone taper.  After three days : at the beginning, I was feeling pretty good (other than the side effects : from the stuff)… I was off my albuterol and Robitussin and just taking : the Flovent and Serevent.  Then Saturday I woke up with a nasty loose : congestion in my chest and I have been coughing it up ever since.   To : top it all off, my back hurts incredibly and I am dizzy a lot.   My peak : flows (which were getting better) seem to be dropping again.  I took my : albuterol this afternoon and I thought I was going to pass out. : : Need some input… Do I just have a cold?  Does it sound like something : more?  I am so fuzzy headed I just can’t figure this out… Sounds like you need to call your doctor. — Gordon    W5RED

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Okay so I am on the last part of a prednisone taper.  After three days at the beginning, I was feeling pretty good (other than the side effects from the stuff)… I was off my albuterol and Robitussin and just taking the Flovent and Serevent.  Then Saturday I woke up with a nasty loose congestion in my chest and I have been coughing it up ever since.   To top it all off, my back hurts incredibly and I am dizzy a lot.   My peak flows (which were getting better) seem to be dropping again.  I took my albuterol this afternoon and I thought I was going to pass out. Need some input… Do I just have a cold?  Does it sound like something more?  I am so fuzzy headed I just can’t figure this out… Marina

It sounds like Acute Bronchitis. This can take a few weeks to recover from, sometimes 6-8 weeks. See: http://www.njc.org/medfacts/uri.html  URI (Colds) &  Acute Bronchitis http://home.aafp.org/afp/980315ap/hueston.html  Acute Bronchitis AAFP Ellis

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Please, does anyone know of a source besides Ford for Power Door Lock actuators. Howabout a way to disable them so the door lock wont stick in the open position? Anybody have any info on these?

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Please, does anyone know of a source besides Ford for Power Door Lock actuators. Howabout a way to disable them so the door lock wont stick in the open position? Anybody have any info on these?

I get mine at the local junkyard. Usually about $5 each. if you just want to disable them, remove the actuator arm(probably easier to pull the motor out).

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Please, does anyone know of a source besides Ford for Power Door Lock actuators. Howabout a way to disable them so the door lock wont stick in the open position? Anybody have any info on these?

Any stereo shop that installs alarms will have generic actuators that I’m sure you can make work in place of the Ford units. I doubt these aftermarket ones are better than the stock Ford pieces though. My experience with them is that they can be very hard to turn with the key, unless of course they’re hooked into the alarm and you never have to use the key… Tom Shaver Powerdyne + TW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please, does anyone know of a source besides Ford for Power Door Lock actuators. Howabout a way to disable them so the door lock wont stick in the open position? Anybody have any info on these? Any stereo shop that installs alarms will have generic actuators that I’m sure you can make work in place of the Ford units. I doubt these aftermarket ones are better than the stock Ford pieces though. My experience with them is that they can be very hard to turn with the key, unless of course they’re hooked into the alarm and you never have to use the key… Tom Shaver Powerdyne + TW

You can easily remove them if you don’t want them installed or if their causing problems with the normal operation of the key unlocking/locking the door from the outside.  You’ll have to remove the door panels.  They’re fastened in a plastic brace by little rubber boots.  Once you see the actuator you’ll notice how easy it is to remove.  If you want to replace them but don’t want to pay FORDMOCO’s price for new ones I replaced mine by going to a junk yard/spare parts yard and they found some for me for 20 bucks a piece.  Works great! Like new.

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~ ~Please, does anyone know of a source besides Ford for Power Door Lock ~actuators. Howabout a way to disable them so the door lock wont stick in ~the open position? Anybody have any info on these? ~ ~Any stereo shop that installs alarms will have generic actuators that I’m sure ~you can make work in place of the Ford units. I doubt these aftermarket ones are ~better than the stock Ford pieces though. My experience with them is that they ~can be very hard to turn with the key, unless of course they’re hooked into the ~alarm and you never have to use the key… ~ ~Tom Shaver ~Powerdyne + TW ~You can easily remove them if you don’t want them installed or if ~their causing problems with the normal operation of the key ~unlocking/locking the door from the outside.  You’ll have to remove ~the door panels.  They’re fastened in a plastic brace by little rubber ~boots.  Once you see the actuator you’ll notice how easy it is to ~remove.  If you want to replace them but don’t want to pay FORDMOCO’s ~price for new ones I replaced mine by going to a junk yard/spare parts ~yard and they found some for me for 20 bucks a piece.  Works great! ~Like new. For cars that weren’t originally equipped with power door locks, is the necessary wiring already in the door?  I’ve been toying with the idea of installing them on my LX so I can get one of those lazy-man FOBs connected to the alarm to lock/unlock the doors from inside when it’s cold/rainy and such.  :-) Chris — Christopher Mauritz         | For info on internet access: IBS Interactive, Inc.       | http://www.interactive.net/

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Website Hoax on Killer Virus Triggers Hong Kong Panic Tue April 1, 2003 08:55 AM ET

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Could it be that "SARS" is just an adverse reaction to the anti-depressant drug Effexor that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals is now pushing in China? Similar symptoms: 1: Am J Respir Crit Care Med 2003 Apr 1;167(7):958-61 Drug-induced Pneumonitis and Heart Failure Simultaneously Associated with Venlafaxine. Drent M, Singh S, Gorgels AP, Hansell DM, Bekers O, Nicholson AG, Van Suylen RJ, Du Bois RM. Department of Respiratory Medicine, University Hospital of Maastricht, Two cases of interstitial pneumonia with cardiac failure developing in patients treated with the new antidepressant venlafaxine are presented. A strong relationship between the development of the patients’ illness and the initiation of venlafaxine treatment was identified.  The cytochrome P (CYP) 450 system is involved in the metabolism of venlafaxine, suggesting that alterations in the drug metabolic clearance might be, at least in part, responsible for the development of drug-induced damage in these cases. This might occur either as a consequence of a genetic factor or concomitant drug therapy with an inhibitor of the related CYP system.  After identifying the causative agent in the first case, withdrawal of the antidepressant together with corticosteroid treatment led to a favorable outcome. In the other case, the multiorgan failure became fatal.  These cases highlight a hitherto undescribed association of an adverse lung reaction and heart failure due to venlafaxine. PMID: 12663337 [PubMed - in process]

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Could it be that "SARS" is just an adverse reaction to the anti-depressant drug Effexor that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals is now pushing in China? Similar symptoms:

Yeah, world’s first contagious drug reaction.

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Could it be that "SARS" is just an adverse reaction to the anti-depressant drug Effexor that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals is now pushing in China? Similar symptoms: Yeah, world’s first contagious drug reaction.

Is it SARS or is it a reaction to the drug Effexor? Effexor is now being agressively sold in China by Wyeth who claims on its website that it has "superior safety". Yet PubMed shows several reports of severe and fatal Effexor side effects — which at this point mimic symptoms of SARS. Patients taking Effexor need to know.

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Hanging on by my nails.  Moved to Georgia.  My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her.  I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend.  I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it.  Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair.  Not a single friend here.  I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet.  Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena  

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Hanging on by my nails.  Moved to Georgia.  My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her.  I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend.  I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it.  Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair.  Not a single friend here.  I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet.  Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena  

hi rosena.  i’m in sc.  met aware once,  she is nice.  mabey we could have an atlanta meet? dennis Death Be Not Proud by John Donne: Death be not proud, though some have called thee Mighty and dreadful, for, thou art not so,

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Hanging on by my nails.  Moved to Georgia.  My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her.  I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend.  I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it.  Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair. Not a single friend here.  I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet.  Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena  

Hello ) Sorry you’re having it so tough at the moment – but good luck with the new job! Whiskery Hugs {{{{{Rosena}}}}} — —  Whiskers

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

But you’re NOT, you’re probably lonely. My therp reminds me all the time: "Social isolation is considered severe punishment in prison."

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

Honey, I wasn’t even here yesterday.  But I am now, and you’re not invisible. ***** Melissa "The wood is tired, and the wood is old. But we’ll make it fine if the weather holds. But if the weather holds, then we’ll have missed the point. That’s where I need to go." –Indigo Girls

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

I can see you. Mary Beth

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Well met, Adam. Boy ARE you in the right place. Birds of a feather and all that. I hate the insomnia. It sucks the most because I know next comes the deep depression.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

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Welcome to the jungle! Welcome to the jungle! It’s gonna bring you down. huh!     Guns and Roses Sorry just being dramatic.  :^) Gloria

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Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

Welcome to ASD. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man  *and*  The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.

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Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

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Welcome to ASD.  I am in the minority concerning sleep habits.  When I go into "the pit," I become hypersomniac.  A couple years ago, I went through a stretch in which I slept 14-15 hours per day.  Of course, the waking hours were living hell.  Plus, that much sleep (fitful sleep, I might add) is disorienting. It seems to have the end effect of no sleep at all.  Anyway, I hope you get some sleep.  Keep posting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

Before you buy.

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Thank you all for the greetings, i dozed off at the keyboard. Lillith I am there. I am alienating the friends i have, and i dont mean to

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well met, Adam. Boy ARE you in the right place. Birds of a feather and all that. I hate the insomnia. It sucks the most because I know next comes the deep depression.

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Just cuprous?????? 225mg daily here??? 12 weeks your turn…..

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Just cuprous?????? 225mg daily here??? 12 weeks your turn…..

375mg….too many weeks to count…. I am more myself in Solitude. For in solitude I am myself.                            -Melia Benjamin (c)August 2000

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The big question is…is it working? I just started and I wonder what I’m

After like one or two weeks on it, I noticed myself getting a little antsy and wanting to do something, but I still felt down and didn’t enjoy anything. That was kind of wierd, but the next week the other half got better too. I couldn’t sleep right though, and I twitched/spasmed a fair amount in my sleep, (no other side effects though–oh, except I often wake up from dreams totally soaked in sweat, and I mean whole-body damp spot here) so I started taking a little dose of trazodone each night before bed. That combination worked really really well for quite a while.   Several months later I really didn’t feel like I was getting much from it anymore. I also started feeling more and more drugged/groggy in the morning and found out that I no longer needed the trazodone to sleep (ie it didn’t seem to have worn off by morning). We increased the effexor dose, and I seemed to get worse (especially sleeping a lot) so I brought the dose back down, and also tried taking it before bed (since, heck, it seemed to be making me sleep). That actually helped. Currently, I’m taking effexor before bed and welbutrin in the morning and afternoon. I still twitch a lot, especially before I wake up–I think maybe it would be best to take the effexor like 4 hours before waking instead of before bed, but I can’t really manage that… I’m still far from the best I felt on the effexor, though.   My wife’s also taking effexor now, and it has helped her quite a bit, although she has only been on it a few months, so I don’t know if it will change.   By the way: you _really_ do have to take it at the same time every day.   There have even been times where I’m pretty sure it needed to be taken with food to work well.  Different for every person, though…   —     Robert Braddock    

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225mg for months upon months mixed with buspar and tamazepam. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just cuprous?????? 225mg daily here??? 12 weeks your turn…..

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The big question is…is it working?  I just started and I wonder what I’m in for. "Iron rusts from disuse, stagnant water loses its purity, and in cold weather becomes frozen, even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind."   –   Leonardo Da Vinci, 1452-1519

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I was on it at 150….I feel like a wimp.. been off it for about a month and a half….not easy…that’s all I can say. Jen And there was much rejoicing,     yaaaaaaaayyyyyyy. "My head won’t leave my head alone" -Dave Matthews band

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Good question..sometimes it feels it is and other times nothing? I guess that’s why the increases?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The big question is…is it working?  I just started and I wonder what I’m in for. "Iron rusts from disuse, stagnant water loses its purity, and in cold weather becomes frozen, even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind."   –   Leonardo Da Vinci, 1452-1519

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Hi Glen, is that effexor xr???  do you have any problems with fatigue? thx – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just cuprous?????? 225mg daily here??? 12 weeks your turn….. Steady at 335 — all I can handle <:= Glen

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I used to have the same side effects. It lasted long, at least a month. I wasn’t working at that time. About an hour after taking 10mg I got pale and sweaty on the face, extremely sleepy and had a terrible headache. Cofee helped me a lot, that I normally don’t drink cause it boosts my anxiety when in stressful situations. I felt better taking Paxil early in the morning or in the night; the worst in the afternoon (It’ still like that). Nowadays (after a year) I get a bit drowsy with a headache after taking Paxil, but not more often than once a week, especially when I take it irregulary. boasss

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Well, I guess that I am certainly living proof that side affects don’t "affect" everyone.   I’ve been on Paxil for over a year now, and have nothing but positive things about it.   It does work, and it does help.  If the side effects are too much, that’s one thing, but just because a few people get them doesn’t mean you will! "sssboa" <sss…@goto.hell.pl

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in the night; the worst in the afternoon (It’ still like that). Nowadays (after a year) I get a bit drowsy with a headache after taking Paxil, but not more often than once a week, especially when I take it irregulary. boasss

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I don’t consider my side-effects serious after all. boasss

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           Man,  I just started paxil yesterday and all I have been doing is sleeping.  Good thing I had yesterday and today off from work.  I am sleeping more now than I did from depression.  And when I am sleeping I am OUT.  Laid down for a nap tonight at 7:30pm cause I couldn’t keep my eyes open and the next thing I knew it was 11pm. Damn.  Anyone else have this side effect?  I hope it goes away.  I also have a slight headache right at my forehead but I don’t know if that is from too much sleep or the meds.

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           Man,  I just started paxil yesterday and all I have been doing is sleeping.  Good thing I had yesterday and today off from work.  I am sleeping more now than I did from depression.  And when I am sleeping I am OUT.  Laid down for a nap tonight at 7:30pm cause I couldn’t keep my eyes open and the next thing I knew it was 11pm. Damn.  Anyone else have this side effect?  I hope it goes away.  I also have a slight headache right at my forehead but I don’t know if that is from too much sleep or the meds.

The head ache can be a side effect of paxil as well as the sleeping. At what time of the day are you taking the drug? Try to take all your dose before you go to bed. If it doesn’t matter when you take it, i.e. you are sleepy all day then I would try another drug. I used to get sleepy from taking paxil and a headache sometimes. Richard

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, meow <nospammeo…@rochester.com writes:            Man,  I just started paxil yesterday and all I have been doing is sleeping.  Good thing I had yesterday and today off from work.  I am sleeping more now than I did from depression.  And when I am sleeping I am OUT.  Laid down for a nap tonight at 7:30pm cause I couldn’t keep my eyes open and the next thing I knew it was 11pm. Damn.  Anyone else have this side effect?  I hope it goes away.  I also have a slight headache right at my forehead but I don’t know if that is from too much sleep or the meds.

Paxil had me so out of it that if I wasn’t sleeping, I had to be flat on my back to avoid getting queezy.  Take a good look at the side effects list for paxil.  I found that I suffered practically all of them.  Worse still was coming off of it.  I had become so dependant that standing up became a challenge – I’d suddenly have my equilibrium jolt off one way or another and practically fall over.  This happened for MONTHS after getting off of it. If you can at all avoid it, stay away from the stuff and go with something less volatile.  I’m on effexir now, and while missing a day leaves me cranky as all get-out, it is night-and-day better than paxil ever was.         rOn

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Paxil had me so out of it that if I wasn’t sleeping, I had to be flat on my back to avoid getting queezy.  Take a good look at the side effects list for paxil.  I found that I suffered practically all of them.  Worse still was coming off of it.  I had become so dependant that standing up became a challenge – I’d suddenly have my equilibrium jolt off one way or another and practically fall over.  This happened for MONTHS after getting off of it.

rOn:

If you can at all avoid it, stay away from the stuff and go with something less volatile.  I’m on effexir now, and while missing a day leaves me cranky as all get-out, it is night-and-day better than paxil ever was.

I went from Paxil to Effexor, too. I agree, it’s ten times better. Thing is, though (according to my doc), you should never miss an Effexor dose AT ALL.Yah, it will make you cranky. For my kids’ sake, I make sure I refill early. JLeon

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You seem to be missing my point.  If you are as desparate as you keep saying I don’t understand why you don’t just go have the treatment.  You say you are treatment resistant.  Are you really, or are you just resistant to treatment? You can’t shove it down someone else’s throat while avoiding it yourself. I am not dismissing your situation.  I really feel sorry for the shape you say you are in.  What does bother me is that you sit here and dismiss everyone elses problems like they don’t matter.  You can’t possibly know the situations that other people are in.  How about 30 years of semi-living?  How about attempted su*c*de and no one cared, didn’t even know?  How about throwing friends out the window because you are too tired and depressed to give them the time of day?  How about 30 years of excuses?  Maybe it isn’t major to you, but it sure can be hell on the ones suffering, not to mention the families they created.  I could go on and on, but I hope you can at least get the jest of what I am trying to say.  Who knows, maybe there was some major depression thrown in along the way. All I know is that it is just as hard on us as yours is on you.  You have to stop with all the assumptions, you don’t know.

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The odds of Tylenol actually killing you is low.

Eric!!  Arrgh. If you take a full bottle of extra-strength Tylenol and don’t go to the hospital for the next few days, the odds of Tylenol actually killing you are about 100%. Denise

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Eric!!  Arrgh. If you take a full bottle of extra-strength Tylenol and don’t go to the hospital for the next few days, the odds of Tylenol actually killing you are about 100%. Denise Awww come on now. How come that isnt in that book "Final Exit?" I think your full of crap. Eric

Okay… since you want to press it…  :-) I haven’t read Final Exit, but if it’s not in there, I imagine that’s because: 1) It’s a horrible way to die — very painful and slow, over a period of days or even a couple of weeks; 2) There is a good chance you’ll recover if someone finds you and gets you to the hospital within the first day for treatment (because there are chemical antidotes that can be administered); and 3) If you do survive, you might be left with permanent liver damage. So, I can see why someone writing a "how-to" book like Final Exit would not want to list Tylenol overdose as a recommended method.   Still, people use it frequently.  Some choose it because that’s what they have access to and they know it will work, and others because that’s what they have access to and they *don’t* realize it will work. It’s an especially big problem among teenagers — swallowing a bunch of Tylenol as a suicidal gesture, not realizing how lethal it can be. Also, because Tylenol is perceived to be safe, friends and family don’t always think to get it out of the home of somenoe who is suicidal. Some countries have even looked at limiting how many Tylenol can be bought at one time in order to curb its use in suicides. Anyway, just because you told me I’m full of crap (:-

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Hey Melissa, I agree with everybody else that the "Prozac turns people into axe murderers" thing is a lot of hype. Some people do get worse on antidepressants – it happened to me on Wellbutrin (though a lot of that may have just been the natural course of the illness). But if you were one of these people, you’d know it! In regard to people who became violent/suicidal on antidepressants, they and their relatives claimed that they had no prior history of violence/suicidality, but to the best of my knowledge, closer examination revealed that they did have histories. One other thing – if this helps any, the sleepwalking/axe-murdering (or whatever it was) story involved a person on *Halcion*, not an antidepressant. -elizabeth

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Thanks to all of you for assuaging my fears about zoloft and axe-murderers. Sometimes I need to hear it from others before it "sinks in."  Take care, Melissa

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Quick question.  I’ve been on Zoloft for four weeks now with very desirable results…getting out more, driving alone, etc. But after reading some of the stuff posted about SSRI’s causing people to commit suicide, homicide, or other atrocities, I’m freaked!!  Someone please tell me that I’m not going to sleepwalk and axe murder little kids!  I mean, all that stuff was political *wasn’t* it?? Thanks!  Melissa

Melissa, relax. Most of these claims are a lot of ::insert favourite expletive here::  Some have been spread by a particular organisation that has it’s own ideas about how psychological disorders should be treated (giving them lots a money, in the main) and some lawyers have tried to implicate them as being responsible for their client’s crimes. However, the only one that may be applicable is that some people on SSRIs have committed suicide. So have a lot of people that were not taking SSRIs. The fact is that many, if not most, were taking SSRIs because they were at risk. I’m one of those that cannot handle the effects of SSRIs – I get really wired on them, but I’ve never found that they have lead me to do something I wouldn’t normally contemplate. One the assumption that your cellar isn’t already stacked to the ceiling with the remains of your victims, after 4 weeks your should be reasonably safe!   :-^) Ian BTW-If you suddenly get the urge to commit henious acts apon *Moat Monsters* then up the Zoloft dose and give me a call!   <VVVBEG  

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Quick question.  I’ve been on Zoloft for four weeks now with very desirable results…getting out more, driving alone, etc. But after reading some of the stuff posted about SSRI’s causing people to commit suicide, homicide, or other atrocities, I’m freaked!!  Someone please tell me that I’m not going to sleepwalk and axe murder little kids!  I mean, all that stuff was political *wasn’t* it?? Thanks!  Melissa

Hi Melissa! Don’t worry! You’re definitely *not* going to sleepwalk and axe murder little kids. (There, I said it ) These stories *are* political indeed and if the odd criminal happened to be on an antidepressant that doesn’t mean that the antidepressant was the cause of his acts. Many criminals drink milk, I suppose, but milk won’t cause them to commit murders. In these *stories* it’s always Prozac BTW and never Zoloft, so I think you’re in the clear…;)) And it’s great that Zoloft is agreeing so well with you! Philip

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HI Melissa, If you have been on Zoloft for a few weeks and are doing good, IMO, don’t worry.  I am one of those people who had a bad time with Prozac, but my BAD symptoms developed after only 3 days on it. Cathy When we talk to God we’re praying. When God talks to us we’re schizophrenic. –Lily Tomlin P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line Panic/Anxiety Support Group Learn about us at http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quick question.  I’ve been on Zoloft for four weeks now with very desirable results…getting out more, driving alone, etc. But after reading some of the stuff posted about SSRI’s causing people to commit suicide, homicide, or other atrocities, I’m freaked!!  Someone please tell me that I’m not going to sleepwalk and axe murder little kids!  I mean, all that stuff was political *wasn’t* it?? Thanks!  Melissa

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Quick question.  I’ve been on Zoloft for four weeks now with very desirable results…getting out more, driving alone, etc. But after reading some of the stuff posted about SSRI’s causing people to commit suicide, homicide, or other atrocities, I’m freaked!!  Someone please tell me that I’m not going to sleepwalk and axe murder little kids!  I mean, all that stuff was political *wasn’t* it?? Thanks!  Melissa

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Quick question.  I’ve been on Zoloft for four weeks now with very desirable results…getting out more, driving alone, etc. But after reading some of the stuff posted about SSRI’s causing people to commit suicide, homicide, or other atrocities, I’m freaked!!  Someone please tell me that I’m not going to sleepwalk and axe murder little kids!  I mean, all that stuff was political *wasn’t* it??

Hi Melissa, I can quarantee that we will not be hearing about you in the news, because you commited some despicable act<G. I think this all stems from the Prozac rumours. I am sure on very rare occassion, someone on Prozac killed themselves, but can we say for sure that the Prozac made them do it? I don`t think so. And there a few people who had bad reactions on Prozac, but you can have a bad reaction on any med there is. I am a med phobic, and if I felt there was any truth to what you fear, I would never had gone on it. I am fine, and nothing happened to me. And being you have been on Zoloft 4 weeks, the side-effects you have now, are it…..and they should start diminishing. You are going to be fine, stop worrying and enjoy how well you are feeling on the Zoloft…..that is what Zoloft is suppose to do, not make you crazy.  Take Care!! Jackie ~Dreams that come true can be as unsetting as those that don’t.~

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

Ingrid, most of your questions I can’t answer and wouldn’t try to for the group but I cn tell you that most of my health probloms seratonin plays a major factor in.  Don’t knpe if that helps or not Karen

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(blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? Jane in AZ

Jane, I had never heard of geographic tongue either, so I looked it up in my handy-dandy Taber’s Medical Dictionary: One possessing white, raised areas resembling mountain ranges on a relief map.  Areas consist of heaped-up epithelium surrounding areas of atrophy.   The next entry after geographic tongue was hairy tongue. Hmmmm, hairy tongue vs. geograpic tongue!  Both seem kind of nasty, in my book. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think?

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: Ingrid, : I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I : figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. : But : I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone : have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold : fingers or toes……any connections ya think? Patty,  I assume if you have Reynauds that you can’t take any vasoconstrictors? diane : Hi group, : the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite : a : few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are : migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our : systems : weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other : illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to : migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers : in : a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. : Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I : don’t need names for this, just illnesses. : What do you think? : Ingrid : —

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Patty, I have had that too since I was a kid.  I’ve found that acidophillus and b6 usually take care of it.  In my experience it’s caused by an lask of intestinal flora. diane

: No blushing necessary!  Every so often I get inflammations on my tongue, " : raised margins" on the surface that are red and sore.  they are patches : that are in (sort of) weird shapes.  Per Dr. and Med. book: no known cause : or treatment!  :) Sometimes irritated by some foods, but seems to be : cyclical in some way.  My sister has it too as well as migraines, both : things we just discovered about eachother (we are 15 yrs apart) So that’s : geographic tongue.  Just try and look that up on the net and see what kind : of sites you end up in! : Patty : : (blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? : Jane in AZ : – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

: Ingrid, : I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I : figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. : But : I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue : (anyone : have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold : fingers or toes……any connections ya think? : —

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And do they turn dead white?  It’s often just one or two of them.  My husband calls it the finger of death, it’s so white against the others. Hurts too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – patty, i  also have the ice cold fingers and/or toes.  i also experience fingers and/or toes that loose their feelings but hurt like the devil… ronnie queen of hugs                

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No blushing necessary!  Every so often I get inflammations on my tongue, " raised margins" on the surface that are red and sore.  they are patches that are in (sort of) weird shapes.  Per Dr. and Med. book: no known cause or treatment!  :) Sometimes irritated by some foods, but seems to be cyclical in some way.  My sister has it too as well as migraines, both things we just discovered about eachother (we are 15 yrs apart) So that’s geographic tongue.  Just try and look that up on the net and see what kind of sites you end up in! Patty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – - Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary

Yes, and just off the top of my head, motion sickness, depression, OCD, else? Sage

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patty, i  also have the ice cold fingers and/or toes.  i also experience fingers and/or toes that loose their feelings but hurt like the devil… ronnie Hey Gang,

So do I, they call it Raynouds (spelling?_) Disease. My Sister, Barb, the one who was Murdered in a Domestic Violence, had it also. About 10 years for me now. Hurts like a Son of a Gun, and I have gotten the ulcers when it has gotten real bad. One consolation, it keeps my mind of my Migraine ! Ha HA queen of hugs

– LOVE AND HUGS             NOT DRUGS AND SLUGS          Carol Lee                   Dozer MOM of    Dutchess     10 year old Viszla’s                   Lil’ Lady                                &                      Jer’Mia       18 year old Baby Kitty                                   St. Paul, Minn. http://www.goldengate.net/~efolsom/clee.htm

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 So that’s geographic tongue.  Just try and look that up on the net and see what kind of sites you end up in! Patty

I think I am too afraid to look it up on the web!  (You know how often one can find those unpleasant sites by accident! Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

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patty, i  also have the ice cold fingers and/or toes.  i also experience fingers and/or toes that loose their feelings but hurt like the devil… ronnie queen of hugs                

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(blushing from ignorance) what is geographic tongue? Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – - – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think? Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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Ingrid, I nver get sick.  I nver get the flu. ( I cannot spell I have a HA) I figure some deal was made that I suffer w/migraine, so that’s enough. But I do get IBS when stressed out.  Oh! and I have geographic tongue (anyone have that?! please!) and reynauds disease (sp?) which is ice ice cold fingers or toes……any connections ya think? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary

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I have no other major illnesses. Migraine is it. I’m active physically, and mentally. I try to fill my no pain days and enjoy them. I figure migraine may take 1 to 6 days at a time away from me, but it will not have the other days. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

  Hi Ingrid, Don’t think I am unusual (except for being unique like all humans) but only have migraine. Don’t seem to have any other chronic conditions and have otherwise been healthy all my life and am still fighting fit and functioning on all levels at 66. Isn’t it possible that these other conditions, digestive, visual, auditory etc are all part of a wider migraine syndrome. Is there a specific thing called migraine, or is it an umbrella term which still defies close definition? Don’t have the answer..just ask the question!!

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Hi group, the question about acid reflux got me thinking. It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Are migraineurs as a group more susceptible to other problems? Are our systems weakened by the chronic pain so that we are not able to fight off other illnesses as well? Or are other illnesses present that pre-dispose us to migraines? If you all are interested, I’d be willing to compile answers in a spreadsheet format. If you feel that’s not appropriate let me know. Otherwise, e-mail me personally and I’ll get going on this. Obviously, I don’t need names for this, just illnesses. What do you think? Ingrid

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I guess we never think about what could be happening (at least my eyes have been opened!)  I have a HIGHER than normal temp (at 99 always – just call me Major Major Major, for those of you who read Catch 22)

LOL!  Your promotion is in the mail <evil grin   (btw, Closing Time’s pretty good too) <ramble I was working in the enrolment office here one holidays, & checking off official exam results against claimed exam results (on student’s applications) up came the name "Irving Washington" — his ethnicity was Yossarian, his permanent address was 22 Catch St, Heller, Auckland, and he planned to live in an air force tent during the year… No-one would believe me when I said HOAX!!!  They printed off an ID card & everything, waiting for him to turn up and verify his identity. But they sent his application off to the accomodation office, with a note saying present accomodation should suit him fine Then at the end of the year the lecturer of one of the courses he’d "enrolled" in had notices up asking him to get in touch ASAP, because he’d been handing in work – and getting it marked! – but wasn’t on the official class list! </ramble , but lower than normal BP (at 90/60 on a good day).  I also have cold hands always, even in the 122 degree heat Phoenix is famous for, and even with the raised body temp.

My BP’s always pretty low (dizziness, etc.), temperature I don’t know about.  And I’d have to convert it to fahrenheit anyway, wouldn’t I? butting (t’ lazy) — Bryce Utting                          http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~butting                 the cross before me, the world behind me                              no turning back

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It seems to me that quite a few in this NG have other medical problems besides migraines. Ingrid

Hi Ingrid, I can count on one hand the number of times I got a flu/cold, my blood pressure is ok, colesterol ok, sugar in the blood ok, my teeth are all here and in good shape, all organs seem to be in good shape, I even sleep well. If I can point one thing that should be better it would be me constipation, but I’m taking care of that too. Soooooooo…… I iz a migraineur who just have migraines. peace Mario Daily Hemicrain – My Migraine Homepage http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~kukobuka/migraine.html

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Yes, and just off the top of my head, motion sickness, depression, OCD, else? Sage

Yep Sage – I get the depression – the sulphue allergy and the anxiety Anne (UK) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Wow, I never even thought about others having these things. I just always knew my blood pressure is low and so is my temp. I rarely get a fever, and my feet are always cold. Melissa got me slippers that have gel packs you heat in the microwave and then put in a pocket in the slippers. My feet ’still’ get cold! Cyndi

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary I too have a lower than norm temp. Mine is usually around 96. And I rarely get a fever, even when I have the flu. I may feel sweaty and cold, but the thermometer says I don’t have a fever. Strange. Take care, Jackie k

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I guess we never think about what could be happening (at least my eyes have been opened!)  I have a HIGHER than normal temp (at 99 always – just call me Major Major Major, for those of you who read Catch 22), but lower than normal BP (at 90/60 on a good day).  I also have cold hands always, even in the 122 degree heat Phoenix is famous for, and even with the raised body temp. (learning as I go along!) Jane in AZ – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mary I too have a lower than norm temp. Mine is usually around 96. And I rarely get a fever, even when I have the flu. I may feel sweaty and cold, but the thermometer says I don’t have a fever. Strange. Take care, Jackie k

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It is not uncommon for migraineurs to have lower than normal vitals. This is not usaully a medical problem, per say.  My normal BP is 90/60 and my body temp usually runs 95-96 degrees.  For years I thought this was an oddity isolated to just me, but when I first came to this ng, I found others with the same low numbers. Mary

I too have a lower than norm temp. Mine is usually around 96. And I rarely get a fever, even when I have the flu. I may feel sweaty and cold, but the thermometer says I don’t have a fever. Strange. Take care, Jackie k

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Thanks for the input. Gathering dribs and drabs of info in a textfile right now. Once I have a significant number of responses, I’ll put in in spreadsheet format or whatever format you all can read. Ingrid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes migraines major depression, chronic (over 10 years on meds) seizure disorder chronic sinusitis benign essential tremor ibs pms arthritis in hands, maybe raynouds wonder if this helps….sounds like an interesting undertaking, ingrid…let us know what you discover. tn Things are not always what they appear to be unless they appear to be hopeless & futile. x-no-archive: yes

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I wanna meet this guy!!!! name "Irving Washington" — his ethnicity

was Yossarian, his permanent address was 22 Catch St, Heller, Auckland, how funny – the TV series had an episode of Hawkeye making up a guy – I am surprised he didn’t use something like this (can’t remember the name of the guy he made up off hand) My mother grounded me when she caught me reading the book – and I was nineteen years old!!! Bryce you are a card!  (an ACE!!!!) Jane – - I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am – -

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Hi!  In regard to your poll of what we migraineurs might have in common, I normally have very low blood pressure– 90 over 60. Also cold hands and feet most of the time. Also very touchy digestive system, particularly my stomach. Barb

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Jeff S’s suggestion re: lactaid (for milk) sounds like it might be helpful to me since I have developed a great liking for large portions of cereal and milk in the morning.  The ceral alone can also be th culprit. Howver, in addition to food, I have in the past, posted a note that the various antidepressants (paxil, prozac, effexor, ……and others of that class) that I have used for the past few years, ALL seem to be capable of inflicting great damage on the passengers of a subway car after I  have ingested them.  Beano doesn’t seem to help that class of gas. Simethacone is a moderate help if taken with a meal or the medication. I think that the best results I get (except for abstaining from food) arew obtained with a combination of symethacone and activated charcoal. Is this what we call an effemeral(sp?) topic? vic Victor Levadi, lev…@winlab.rutgers.edu

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Jeff, Lactaid is, or at least was, available as just the liquid enzyme that you add to the milk of your choice.  It needs 12 – 24 hours to break down all the milk sugar (lactose).  I used to use this before the treated milk was available.  I think I bought it at a drugstore. Carol — Carol Soltau cms…@ccmail.monsanto.com

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Howard N. Hughes (H_Hughes%DIRNET.CCIT.ARIZONA….@taunivm.tau.ac.il) wrote: : I (almost) hate to bring this up, but since I’ve had MS, I’ve had almost : chronic flatulence.

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wil…@cais3.cais.com (Mark Wilson) writes: I too get more gas, but I believe its from the meds. I take,i.e. baclofen, diazapam, betaseron. The real bummer is I no longer have the natural push to expel it. So its Tums, Tums, and more Tums. Kathy

Pills often contain lactose and many people, like myself, are lactose intolerant. Tip of the week: blow your nose when you need to expel it. Aapo Halko

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Living in Mexican Food territory I can tell you that Beano works.

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And if you gave up and gave it to the dog instead they got Beano for dogs now too. John Hare  * 1st 2.00b #5276 * Ye who shall,so shall Ye that who!

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: And if you gave up and gave it to the dog instead they got Beano for : dogs now too. : John Hare :  * 1st 2.00b #5276 * Ye who shall,so shall Ye that who! — ————————————————   as long as the subject is gas, have you ever tried BEANO? I just got a free sample and paln to myself, I haven’t been able to find any solutions to this as far as Tums, Roalaids, Malox and such. But for  all who like to try this –CALL 1-800-257-8650 they will send a free sample plus cents off coupons just for trying. Hope this can help someone,  Kathy

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JOHN HARE (commstar!john.h…@commstar.com) wrote: : – Living in Mexican Food territory I can tell you that Beano works. : – Bill in New Mexico : And if you gave up and gave it to the dog instead they got Beano for : dogs now too. : John Hare :  * 1st 2.00b #5276 * Ye who shall,so shall Ye that who! — ————————————————  as long as the subject is gas, have you ever tried BEANO? I just got a free sample and paln to myself, I haven’t been able to find any solutions to this as far as Tums, Roalaids, Malox and such. But for  all who like to try this –CALL 1-800-257-8650 they will send a free sample plus cents off coupons just for trying. Hope this can help someone,  Kathy Dear Posters,

                 PHEWWWWW!!!! This subject stinks. David

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Kathy and Bill mentioned BEANO as a real help in reducing gas (which it is!). But just this morning while browsing through either my Butter Buds or Healthmark cookbooks, I ran across a note that said that milk (lactose) can cause considerable gas due to insufficient amount of the right enzymes. Since I’ve been drinking/using a lot more skim or 1% milk lately, I’ve been walking around like a methane factory (let’s not get technical; methane comes from other organic sources including rotting vegetation and pig shit). Anyway–cutting to the chase–the book mentioned LACTAID. Now most of you probably knew this anyway, but it does the same thing for milk that BEANO does for fibers! Knock me over with a feather!! I’d seen it for years but just assumed it was a milk substitute like soy milk (ick) or goat’s milk (pretty good when you get used to it). It is supposed to be very effective also. Well, between BEANO and LACTAID I may once again be permitted to use phone booths, mix with polite company, and not have to practice looking innocent. Well, except for the cats who simply get up and exit the room at speeds inversely proportional to how close they were. Ta. Jeff S. (even if my style is a tipoff, there are now at least 5 or more Jeffs scurrying around this net–should have registered the name as a trademark to cut down on confusion)

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