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Hi Relating to Medic Alert bracelets:  Does anyone else wear them?  I have moderate to severe asthma, and am on periodic bursts of prednisone, but not on any maintainance doses.  I also use flovent 220 4 puffs a day. Does anyone think this would be a situation requiring one – and if so what would it say?  Asthma, corticosteroid use?  I don’t have a clue, although some friends have suggested I should wear one. Thanks for any help. Sherry

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Hi Relating to Medic Alert bracelets:  Does anyone else wear them?  I have moderate to severe asthma, and am on periodic bursts of prednisone, but not on any maintainance doses.  I also use flovent 220 4 puffs a day. Does anyone think this would be a situation requiring one – and if so what would it say?  Asthma, corticosteroid use?  I don’t have a clue, although some friends have suggested I should wear one. Thanks for any help. Sherry

I wear a Medic Alert necklace, with the medallion hanging in back. The engraving just says ‘asthma’ plus an ID # plus a phone # to call for more info. My personal info and drug useage is on file with Medic Alert. I am on Low dose inhaled steroids (6 pf Vanceril/day). Your dose of Flovent 220 is in the High dose category (3 pf Flovent 220/day) so I would be inclined to add ’steroid dependent’. You are also considered steroid dependent if you have used oral steroids in the last 6-12 mo. The tag could be very useful to emergency personnel if you were in an accident. Ellis

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I’ve got one.  My asthma isn’t all that bad, but my parents would prefer that if I end up in an emergency situation, the doctors know that I have asthma and to be aware of that fact.  Of course, I’m also allergic to any form of penicillian and any sulfa-type antibiotics, so that’s on there too.  I guess all of these are pretty important, so that was my Christmas present last year.   When you fill out their paperwork, they ask what medications you take and who your doctors are, along with who to contact.  Personally, being away at college (for the next 2 years, anyway) and not having family close, I kind of appreciate the thouroghness of the system.  If I were in an accident, or needed emergency care, the bracelet knows more than my friends, and probably more than my parents would remember janet

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. At first I was hardly using it, maybe once a week, then I started going to the gym and as advised by my Dr I’d use it prior to working out to prevent an exercise induced attack  I stopped going to the gym for awhile and just started up again 3 weeks ago. In the last week and a half I’ve been getting chest pains much like what sent me to the Dr. in the first place as well as "flutters" in my chest. I noticed that my inhaler use has gone way up, its almost daily now and some days twice and most of the time I use it and it does nothing. I plan on calling the Dr. in the morning to make an appointment, but I’m just wondering if this is normal? Other then being constantly sleepy (which I think is in part due to being unable to breathe well and part due to jitteryness from the inhaler) and the chest tightness I feel fine, no fever or anything… Sheila Marie

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed.

If you’re having ongoing problems, one option is to discuss other medication with your doctor, such as Singulair, Intal, Tilade, or Pulmicort. Joan Joan Marie Verba http://www.sff.net/people/Joan.Marie.Verba

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. At first I was hardly using it, maybe once a week, then I started going to the gym and as advised by my Dr I’d use it prior to working out to prevent an exercise induced attack  I stopped going to the gym for awhile and just started up again 3 weeks ago. In the last week and a half I’ve been getting chest pains much like what sent me to the Dr. in the first place as well as "flutters" in my chest. I noticed that my inhaler use has gone way up, its almost daily now and some days twice and most of the time I use it and it does nothing. I plan on calling the Dr. in the morning to make an appointment, but I’m just wondering if this is normal? Other then being constantly sleepy (which I think is in part due to being unable to breathe well and part due to jitteryness from the inhaler) and the chest tightness I feel fine, no fever or anything…

You need to see your doctor ASAP. — We make war so we may live in peace. Aristotle

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. If you’re having ongoing problems, one option is to discuss other medication with your doctor, such as Singulair, Intal, Tilade, or Pulmicort.

I have both Pulmicort and Singulair now. The Dr. is hoping we can get the attack under control and drop the Pulmicort in a month or so. Sheila Marie, still not quite right, but feeling better.

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Went today, I was scared last night, I’ve never felt anything like that before. I almost thought for sure I was having a heart attack at 28, but it wasnt. The Dr sent me home all sorts of medicine. He said we need to be more aggressive in my treatment. Seems exercise is a major trigger for me, though its one I need to find a way to get past or something. That’s the goal though, to get to a point where exercise doesn’t trigger this sort of thing. Sheila Marie

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When I first started going downhill with my asthma my main complaint was being extremely tired all the time and the inhaler just sustained me but did not make me feel better. You probably need to be on a low dose of Flovent to start and probably Accolate. Go see your doc! And if he doesn’t change your meds than go to another doctor b/c your asthma will only worsen w/o proper treatment!! Dana

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I’m glad to hear your doctor gave you some preventive meds instead of just rescue meds like albuterol. You should feel better soon! Dana

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Hello, I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success. Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

Gaba doesn’t pass the blood-brain barrier and anyway it’s not a *lack of Gaba* that’s causing PD. I would suggest trying a benzodiazepine like Xanax, Ativan, Klonopin, Valium which, unlike the antidepressants, *do* work on the Gaba system. Benzos will cause *dependence* (as do many ADs and a myriad of other meds) for which reason some doctors won’t prescribe them, confusing dependence and addiction. Benzos are first choice meds for panic and dependence means you shouldn’t stop taking them suddenly but by way of a slow taper. Philip — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. :I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are :returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having :much success. Welcome to ASAPM! Sorry you are having a setback. That`s par for the course when it comes to living with an anxiety disorder GABA hasn`t been proven having any luck with it. oes anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can :recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative :approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack f sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help. When you ask about the brain recovering from 10 year antidepressant use, do you think your brain was hurt by using zoloft for 10 years? Let me assure you that what you are experiencing is quite normal for people with anxiety disorders, meds or not. Setbacks after the cessation of medication is unfortunately…. too common. I urge you to seek professional help as soon as possible. If you are very adverse to taking another antidepressant, than ask your doctor about benzodiazepines. If you are against meds period, then look into cognitive behavioral therapy. It is the most effective therapy for anxiety disorders. Here are two informative links on CBT: http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/therapycbt/ http://www.cognitivetherapy.com/ Here`s a link to a great website on anxiety disorders, there is a wealth of information at this site. http://panicdisorder.about.com/index.htm?once=true&COB=home&PID=2791 Take care Jackie ~*~My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn~*~ — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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 nothing perfect in life, the zoloft was effective enough to eliminate your anxiety and you (might) never had to learn how to deal with your disorder, so if for some reason you have to quite taking it your anxiety disorder can come back   if you are genetically prone to a anxiety disorder you have to work a lot harder than normal people to help deal with anxiety and this would be to learn many different coping techniques along with medication as needed and there very well could be a time in your life where medication is the only effective answer and possibly a time when you might be able to work to diminish many of the symptoms without med Jim     Hello,   I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success.   Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

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Hello, I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success. Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

First of al : Welcome to this group it can be a great help I can see your problem,but (this maybe doesn’t is the info you are looking for) I think the problem isn’t the intake of zoloft for 10 years. When I read your symptoms I can only assume your PAD isn’t under control without medication. I don’t think your brain needs to recover from Zoloft. Jackie gave you some excellent links. Unfortenatly PAD isn’t a disorder that disappears. With very few people it is a temporary thing. Of course you are free to live without medication but then ,like Elliot said, there is a great need for therapy (CBT) so you can control your thinking. You can post here all you want for info and support. We all know what you are talking about ! Take care from Anna — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Laura, I would like to know your experience on zoloft as I am considering it. I deal with a lot of anxiety and probably mini PA’s on a daily basis. I take klonopin as needed, and boy it makes me good. chaz

Hello, I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success. Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help. — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

I am coming off of Serzone after using it for at least 10 years. I came off the Serzone very slowly and have medical supervision on this. I have been told by my Dr. that if I was to come off the medication too quickly, I would probably trigger an episode of deep depression. My experience so far now that I am off Serzone completely for 3 days is that my tension migraines are a wee be worse but my head has lost much of its "fog." This trade-off is worth it for me but anxiety may in the end cause me to have to go back on meds. Good luck Ron — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Long term use of the SSRIs presents a lot of problems.  It doesn’t usually work forever and at a certain point they need to be stopped. As an episodic problem panic disorder probably is going to do best with an episodic treatment.  Withdrawal after long term use can be much more severe than you describe, and people need to be aware that withdrawal induced suicidal ideation is a problem — as is the induction of new symptoms of anxiety and panic that were not present previously.  Zaps are often confused with panic attacks.  So is withdrawal related visual lag/vertigo and withdrawal related nausea. All that aside, what can one do?  It seems that when a person stops a SSRI, they are relatively serotonin depleted.  My strategy to boos serotonin on the supply side is to prescribe l-tryptophan at a dose of 1000 mg twice daily — to be taken on an empty stomach with a bit of sugar only (juice, soda crackers, etc.)  Tryptophan is converted to serotonin in the brain.  I avoid 5-HTP because it is converted into serotonin to a large extent outside of the brain and this can potentially cause the same sort of cardiac problems that phen-fen caused.  Taking the tryptophan with SAM-e  200 to 400 mg can boost serotonin synthesis even further.  If you have a prior history of manic episodes, avoid the SAM-e. Some of my patients have found significant relief from SSRI/Zoloft withdrawal using this strategy. Stuart Shipko, M.D. Panic Disorders Institute http://www.algy.com/pdi — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello, I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success. Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help. Hi Laura, It sounds like the Zoloft was controlling your anxiety disorder, and after you stopped it, the panic attacks returned. I’d restart the Zoloft. I’ve been on Zoloft for over 10 years, primarily for recurrant depression. In the past when I have discontinued the Zoloft, my depression returns. Chip — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Welcome to the group Laura.  Maybe you should talk to your doctor about going back on Zoloft or another med.  So sorry about the way this disorder is affecting you.  :-(  I’m weaning onto Celexa, but it’s only been 2 weeks so I’m not much help there.  I think you’ll find lots of supportive people here.  Please take care. Hugs, Di   Hello,   I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success.   Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

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Welcome, Laura!!   I’m sorry you are experiencing this again.  There is no reason you can’t resume your Zoloft if it helped you before, and you need it.  I don’t think you are ‘recovering’ from 10 years of anti-depressant use…I think you are just plain suffering from an anxiety disorder.  It’s really OK to take meds if you need them, Laura.  A diabetic needs insulin…someone with anxiety or depression also needs meds.  It’s the same thing.   If I were you, I would contact the doctor and start something again.   This can cause you other health problems if gone untreated. Healing hugs, Gigglz   Hello,   I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success.   Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

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Hello, I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success. Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

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Hello, Laura, and welcome. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off = it for 1 year. … Now panic attacks are returning in full force.

It may be that you could discuss going back on the Zoloft, with your doctor or psychiatrist. If it helped you then, it will probably help you now. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to = diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight.

I’m so sorry to hear this! Laura, there is really no need to suffer when a medication exists that can help you. Please talk to your doctor about resuming the Zoloft! xxoo Anne — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Laura, Welcome to ASAPM!!!  Why make yourself suffer when going back on Zoloft could reduce or eliminate the anxiety and its symptoms. smiles, Elise   Hello,   I am new to this group and hope to find some support for my panic attacks. I used zoloft for 10 years to control panic, and have been off it for 1 year. (I tapered off very slowly over the course of a year.) Now panic attacks are returning in full force. I am trying to control them with gaba, but not having much success.   Does anyone have any thoughts or information on wjether the brain can recover after 10 years of anti-depressant use? Or suggestions for alternative approaches. I am desperate because my anxiety is leading to diahrea, lack of sleep, loss of weight. Thanks for any help.

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sylvain, (&FJ if you’re reading this) been out of town for almost a week, hence the delayed reply. i switched to lexapro at the instigation of my female companion, to reduce the well-known sexual side-effect. in my case, the sexual side-effect was greatly reduced in fact.

  That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med?

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  That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med?

Usually you should be able to cut down one med and up the other at the same time but discuss it with your shrink.

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wrote in message <news:3f5b685f$1@news.swissonline.ch… FJ wrote:   That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med? Usually you should be able to cut down one med and up the other at the same time but discuss it with your shrink.

i actually stopped taking the paxil completely & switched to lexapro the day after i got some. i wasn’t as worried about that as i perhaps should have been, because several times before i had missed one dose of paxil–but made sure i never missed two in consecutive days–and missing one dose didn’t affect me greatly, just made me a little edgy.

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i actually stopped taking the paxil completely & switched to lexapro the day after i got some. i wasn’t as worried about that as i perhaps should have been, because several times before i had missed one dose of paxil–but made sure i never missed two in consecutive days–and missing one dose didn’t affect me greatly, just made me a little edgy.

At times I get all sad if I only miss my Effexor dose by a few hours. At other times I can miss it completely for a day and don’t notice. It’s weird.

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"FJ" <F@J wrote in message news:3f4e34ac$0$19384$d40e179e@nntp05.dk.telia.net… If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.   Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore? FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage for SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I don’t believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do so. You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain.

or you could try 30mg before going to 40mg, trying for a little better mileage. i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

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i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

 How did Lexapro woork for you, compared to seroxat?

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> > news:3f4e34ac$0$19384$d40e179e@nntp05.dk.telia.net… > > > > If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick > > > > I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. > > > > Sylvain. > > >   Hi Sylvain! > > >   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again,

untill the   med doesn’t work anymore? FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage

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SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I

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believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do

so.

You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain. or you could try 30mg before going to 40mg, trying for a little better mileage.

Yitwail. Yes, of course he could. I tried it myself, but it hardly made any difference. Going to 40 Mg did the trick.

i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

Agreed. I have 2 questions: Why did you stop at 30 Mg of Paroxetine (Paxil, Seroxat), and start with Lexapro (Escitalopram) rather than going with Celexa (Citalopram)? I won’t carry on with this thread after this message. Sylvain

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wrote in message <news:YI_3b.3132$FZ3.672264@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net… I have 2 questions: Why did you stop at 30 Mg of Paroxetine (Paxil, Seroxat), and start with Lexapro (Escitalopram) rather than going with Celexa (Citalopram)? I won’t carry on with this thread after this message. Sylvain

sylvain, (&FJ if you’re reading this) been out of town for almost a week, hence the delayed reply. i switched to lexapro at the instigation of my female companion, to reduce the well-known sexual side-effect. in my case, the sexual side-effect was greatly reduced in fact. otherwise, i haven’t noticed any significant medical difference between 30mg paxil & 10mg lexapro. lexapro does cost a bit more in the copayment required by my medical insurance.

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If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.

  Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore?

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If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.   Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore?

FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage for SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I don’t believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do so. You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain.

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Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.

   Thanks for the answer, but do you think that a change will lessen the SP more than the weaned off seroxat

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Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.    Thanks for the answer, but do you think that a change will lessen the SP more than the weaned off seroxat

Hard to say, really. They all fight SP to some extent but their effectiveness is highly dependent on the individual. Effexor works quite nicely for me and simply fantastic when it comes to my depression.

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

FJ. If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.

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Hanging on by my nails.  Moved to Georgia.  My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her.  I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend.  I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it.  Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair.  Not a single friend here.  I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet.  Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena  

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Hanging on by my nails.  Moved to Georgia.  My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her.  I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend.  I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it.  Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair.  Not a single friend here.  I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet.  Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena  

hi rosena.  i’m in sc.  met aware once,  she is nice.  mabey we could have an atlanta meet? dennis Death Be Not Proud by John Donne: Death be not proud, though some have called thee Mighty and dreadful, for, thou art not so,

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Hanging on by my nails.  Moved to Georgia.  My ex and Maria came too to try to keep family together for her.  I am assistant to a professor and go back out for teaching this season (next month) if can get energy up . . . could not handle effexor withdrawal so I put myself back on this weekend.  I need my zyprexa, but can’t have it.  Side effects put me in this damn wheel chair. Not a single friend here.  I know Aware here, but not together enough to ask to meet yet.  Hard time doing my work — any work — really feel scared and hopeless and I am so aware that in the end the sick must have willpower or they can simply end up on a curb with dirty matted hair . . . very scared. Rosena  

Hello ) Sorry you’re having it so tough at the moment – but good luck with the new job! Whiskery Hugs {{{{{Rosena}}}}} — —  Whiskers

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

But you’re NOT, you’re probably lonely. My therp reminds me all the time: "Social isolation is considered severe punishment in prison."

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

Honey, I wasn’t even here yesterday.  But I am now, and you’re not invisible. ***** Melissa "The wood is tired, and the wood is old. But we’ll make it fine if the weather holds. But if the weather holds, then we’ll have missed the point. That’s where I need to go." –Indigo Girls

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

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i am slowly going insane being invisible

I can see you. Mary Beth

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Well met, Adam. Boy ARE you in the right place. Birds of a feather and all that. I hate the insomnia. It sucks the most because I know next comes the deep depression.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

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Welcome to the jungle! Welcome to the jungle! It’s gonna bring you down. huh!     Guns and Roses Sorry just being dramatic.  :^) Gloria

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Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

Welcome to ASD. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man  *and*  The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.

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Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

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Welcome to ASD.  I am in the minority concerning sleep habits.  When I go into "the pit," I become hypersomniac.  A couple years ago, I went through a stretch in which I slept 14-15 hours per day.  Of course, the waking hours were living hell.  Plus, that much sleep (fitful sleep, I might add) is disorienting. It seems to have the end effect of no sleep at all.  Anyway, I hope you get some sleep.  Keep posting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, i am new to this group, and from what i have read so far i will fit in just cosy. I have now been up for 47 hours, and although i am real tired as soon as my head hits the pillow i wake up again. The thought s in my head just dont stop.. You are useless, whats the point, nobody wants you… you cant even committ suicide without screwing up….so i sit here in front of my pc moping, waching the weekend drift by, not seeing anyone, not talking to any one. Occasionaly speaking on icq to an aquaintance, but then they rush off and do stuff constructive in their busy lives, and i sit and clean out my hard drive. Tomorrow is Monday, and i return to work. carry out the day and return to my pc….God I am so sad… what is the point??

Before you buy.

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Thank you all for the greetings, i dozed off at the keyboard. Lillith I am there. I am alienating the friends i have, and i dont mean to

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well met, Adam. Boy ARE you in the right place. Birds of a feather and all that. I hate the insomnia. It sucks the most because I know next comes the deep depression.

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Hi, I’ve been a low-fat type person for a long time.  The last six months I’ve been on Paxil and have gained some weight.  The low fat diet isn’t helping me.  Has anyone on antidepressants had a successful diet experience with low-carb?  Thanks! Thought of the day:         Give a man an inch, and he thinks he’s a ruler.

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Hi Dosbabe! I’ve been on Prosac for over a decade, happily, and have had some good results.  I not one of the fastest losers, but I’ve managed to take off about 50 pounds. The only side effect that I seem to have is an increased thirst and difficulty waking up in the mornings.  My sleep has become very, very deep. Good luck! suzi_cream_cheese 262/213/145

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been a low-fat type person for a long time.  The last six months I’ve been on Paxil and have gained some weight.  The low fat diet isn’t helping me.  Has anyone on antidepressants had a successful diet experience with low-carb?  Thanks! Thought of the day: Give a man an inch, and he thinks he’s a ruler.

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Yeah I’m taking zoloft and doing fine. According to Schwarzbein (TheSchwarzbein Principle), A low carb diet will help balance out the chemical soup inside your head. She claims insulin resistance= high carb diet,  is one of the things that unbalance and deplete serotonin in your brain. Which is the same thing that antidepressants try and balance. Give it a try. After talking with your Doc. first.

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Paxil made me gain 50 pounds quick. I switched to Efexxor and feel much better. Lost the weight too. Jeff

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I agree, Effexor is the greatest–you don’t even know you are taking it unless you miss a dose. hinesrance

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I agree, Effexor is the greatest–you don’t even know you are taking it unless you miss a dose.

Funny you mention that, because I missed my Effexor dose this morning and am curious as to what the results are going to be. Only been on it for about 2 months so may not be too noticeable. I haven’t noticed any side effects as far as appetite goes. Definetly make me sleepy though Jason Atkins since 10/5/00 240/172 http://geocities.com/calabresejason/lowcarb.html

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Is Effexor one of the older type antidepressants or is it related to the same family as Paxil? Thanks I agree, Effexor is the greatest–you don’t even know you are taking it unless you miss a dose.

Thought of the day:         Count Every Thorn a Flower; Every Sharp Rock a Milestone

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Has anyone on antidepressants had a successful diet experience with low-carb?

I was on Prozac when I first started just over 3 years ago.  It didn’t hinder my losing 60 pounds. I tried Imiprimine last month for help with sleep as I have fibromyalgia.  I couldn’t take it as it made me sweat and also caused terrible sweets cravings. I’ve been on Trazodone for 10 days and am not having any problems so far. Good Luck. TamH in VT

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I agree, Effexor is the greatest–you don’t even know you are taking it unless you miss a dose.

A gal came into my gift shop today and we were talking about diet.  She said that she started on Efflexor a few weeks ago and has lost weight because she’s not craving carbs.  She’s not even really dieting. TamH in VT

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Paxil made me gain 50 pounds quick. I switched to Efexxor and feel much better. Lost the weight too. Jeff

My daughter was also on Paxil and gained weight she didn’t need.  She stopped using Paxil and went to Prozac and has had no problems and lost all the weight she gained.  I’ve been on Prozac since 1989 and haven’t had any problems with it either.  I gained a lot of weight when I stopped smoking (50lbs) and  being sick and inactive for so long.  I would suggest you talk to your Dr. about a different antidepressant.  Paxil has a rep for putting on the pounds. — Liz 362/342/200/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -^..^<

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I agree, Effexor is the greatest–you don’t even know you are taking it unless you miss a dose.

Well, I took effexor for 3 days and slept like in a coma.  Could not stay awake.  When I did finally manage to awaken, I walked around like a zombie with a spinning head.  Now, my daugher in law takes it and she only has to take naps everyday after work. — Liz 362/342/200/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -^..^< hinesrance Paxil made me gain 50 pounds quick. I switched to Efexxor and feel much better. Lost the weight too. Jeff

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I am on Zoloft and am experiencing continued weight loss. You might see if your doctor would switch you. Ginger in OK

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ginger, menu and exercise? — read and post daily! rosie "If we could share this world below, if we could learn to love… If we could share this world below, we’d need no world above."

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am on Zoloft and am experiencing continued weight loss. You might see if your doctor would switch you. Ginger in OK Has anyone on antidepressants had a successful diet experience with low-carb? I was on Prozac when I first started just over 3 years ago.  It didn’t hinder my losing 60 pounds. I tried Imiprimine last month for help with sleep as I have fibromyalgia. I couldn’t take it as it made me sweat and also caused terrible sweets cravings. I’ve been on Trazodone for 10 days and am not having any problems so far. Good Luck. TamH in VT

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I am on celexa, and for me the sexual side effects are the same, very low desire.  Best of luck to you! Chad Love is true when you can’t see eye to eye, but can still walk hand in hand.

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:Hi, i have been on  zoloft(50mgs) with .25 xanax(as needed) for about a :year now. i have not had a panic attack since but feel i could panic at :times. i am a compulsive thinker and usually have the "anxiety" feeling :in my stomach(knots or whatever). i think i want to try celexa but dont :want to screw up my progress i have with zoloft but zoloft seems to make :me numb and dumb. i use to be very sexual but now i can care less about :sex. before when i saw arousing things(naked women) my heart would pound :and i would get that "aroused" feeling. now i could look at nudity and :get the same effect as a gardening magazine:((  i heard celexa has less :sexual side effects so this is why i am considering switching meds. my :sexual side effect from zoloft is not impotence but very low desire and :ejaculation takes very very long. any ideas on celexa for me? :experiences? anything?

Celexa may have less effect on your libido, or it may be worse. The only way to find out is to try it. In most cases you can switch between SSRIs (and SSRIs to TCAs, SSNRIs) overnight. But there are other things you could try first.  Do a search of ASAP’s archives at Deja (or whatever they are now called) for " sexual dysfunction ". Best wishes Ian

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Hi, i have been on  zoloft(50mgs) with .25 xanax(as needed) for about a year now. i have not had a panic attack since but feel i could panic at times. i am a compulsive thinker and usually have the "anxiety" feeling in my stomach(knots or whatever). i think i want to try celexa but dont want to screw up my progress i have with zoloft but zoloft seems to make me numb and dumb. i use to be very sexual but now i can care less about sex. before when i saw arousing things(naked women) my heart would pound and i would get that "aroused" feeling. now i could look at nudity and get the same effect as a gardening magazine:((  i heard celexa has less sexual side effects so this is why i am considering switching meds. my sexual side effect from zoloft is not impotence but very low desire and ejaculation takes very very long. any ideas on celexa for me? experiences? anything?

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Hi Cheryl, So sorry you are going through this.  Sending you caring and support!   Take care, Liz — There is always music amongst the trees in the garden but our minds must be very still to hear it. ASAP Gardening Site: http://www.chickadee.com/asapgardens

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See below….(Phillip)

answered by email as I got it in my inbox as well. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50)  I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink.  I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it.   I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out.  I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day.  ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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Thanks Philip~ I emailed you…oh you bet your boots I have my ativan handy! xoxo Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See below….(Phillip) answered by email as I got it in my inbox as well. P. Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50)  I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink.  I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it.   I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out.  I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day.  ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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I am sorry you aren’t feeling well. Hopfully you will get used to the new meds very soon. Good luck and I hope you feel better. Amy

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Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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See below….(Phillip) Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50)  I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink.  I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it.   I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out.  I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day.  ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15?

Yup, 50mgs is too high to start with. Some people start at 12.5mgs, others at 25mgs. Hope you are feeling better Jackie ~*~There came a time when the risk to remain tight in a bud was

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Hi Cheryl, ((((Cheryl)))), I hope you feel better soon, I don’t have any words of wisdom for you, sorry. I’ve been gone a while, what’s going on here that I’m missing? Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety Support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia

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Cheryl, Hope you are feeling better soon.  Those med changes can really get the best of us.  Hangin there… smiles, elise

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I’m so sorry you feel so crummy!  Pamper yourself today. Love, Di

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Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15?

different drug different mechanism of action-if your gonna do the medusa dance get her to dosie doe a bit and get her permission to up your ativan or up hers and call Jeff Apter-Zoloft compared to remeron is like qualuudes vrs speed so your now on dexamil and doin a bounce-50mg may be too high for a conversion for you it is a transition so make yourself comfortable as possible instead of white knuckling it-that lack of appetite will change to some carb craving soon this is a signal the zoloft is working but imo may be just change for change sake as the more you crave and consume the less you will burn and lose-she is using an older viewpoint that zoloft reduces appetite-ask some others here if their appetite is reduced-it is no less difficult to wean off then remeron in fact it may be a tad bit more difficult due to its energizing effects on some-get a professional opinion by a psychopharm doc not a transplant renal nephrologist whatever—- she wants to maximize the transplants life and that’s ok but there are other issues-including if you are psychologicaly ready to embark on being med free-trade offs is the name of the game-ch ch ch changes—-love bowie within a few days you will feel better be a patient patient but an assertive one-its your kidney now and your medical program- LM

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TC3 wrote : Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

Hi Cheryl. I’m sorry to hear you don’t feel so well right now. You’ll feel better later on I’m sure; not that that’s any great consolation… Hope you are better quickly. Take care please. -Z-

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Dear one, yes you sounded a bit manic yestreday I think you have worn yourself down totally If you manage to get the sprogg to school try take some rest Cheryl We both know that tiredness is a great motor for PA. Hope you get some rest and hang in there Lotsa kisses over the ocean flying your way Anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Path: news.wxs.nl!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!f e ed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2 . news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Feb 2001 07:29:59 -0500 Lines: UmFuZG9tSVZ9/f13lPYO1NQUJPzRlFuUUs+boUPTy+xZ+DqhBnD8RP1a78V4bucI 12:19:46 GMT X-MimeOLE:  Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority:  3 X-Newsreader:  Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-Priority:  Normal Xref: news.wxs.nl alt.support.anxiety-panic:263162 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Dear cheryl, I did not know you where changing meds Why is that was the other med not doing its work ??? I am really sorry you feel like this. Maybe it gets better soon. I really hope so for you. And otherwise call the doc.  No need to feel awfull all the time !!! You had your share huh VERY ferm hug from Anna

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Hi Cheryl, I know how you feel.  Supposedly, switching from Paxil to Zoloft was not supposed to be any big deal, but I feel different and it is not all my doing.  I am more nervous, and have the trembles.  I am just trying to be patient and see if it passes with time.  I still function, but do not feel comfortable.  Chores are getting done as usual, but not with the same peace. Hope you feel better soon, Cheryl.  Let us know how you are doing! Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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I feel like dog doo. I am manic then exhausted, and I can’t remember anything…I was a mess getting her ready for school. Ack. I know it’s a transition.. Julie, that Snickers is still there so you know I am not feeling well~ LOL Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15? <Mercury, AD change and anxiety…perfect together LOL love Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. Dear Cheryl, I`m sorry that you feel so lousy ( If you continue to feel this way, you might want to ask your doctor about decreasing your Zoloft dose to 25mgs for a week, them go to 50mgs, you could even wean slower than this by increasing in 12.5mg increments. I hope you feel better soon {{{{{Cheryl}}}}} Jackie

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I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

Dear Cheryl, I`m sorry that you feel so lousy ( If you continue to feel this way, you might want to ask your doctor about decreasing your Zoloft dose to 25mgs for a week, them go to 50mgs, you could even wean slower than this by increasing in 12.5mg increments. I hope you feel better soon {{{{{Cheryl}}}}} Jackie

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Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.

How long are you going to look at that Snickers Bar???? Sweetie, ignore the crap here. No biggie. Now, you know that it will take awhile for the Zoloft to get to a theraputic level in your system. You need to hang on through these few physical adjustments UNLESS they are bothering you too much. Then call the doctor and tell him. If you have a chance, call the pharmacist and ask him to give you the details on the zoloft. He should be able to pop that info on his screen while you are on the phone with him. Let him know the side effects you are having…then he can look it up. When my Effexor was increased, each time I had a strange symptom or side effect, which eventually went away. I hope that your sweats and unsteadiness will not be for long. Is that Snickers still sitting on your hutch? love,Julie

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Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15.  I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here…  That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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Dear cheryl, I did not know you where changing meds Why is that was the other med not doing its work ??? I am really sorry you feel like this. Maybe it gets better soon. I really hope so for you. And otherwise call the doc.  No need to feel awfull all the time !!! You had your share huh VERY ferm hug from Anna

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Thank you Anna! My doc thinks if I get off the Rem I can lose some weight…I just feel like I was so manic yesterday then crashed by midnight now I am really anxious and just feeling like a noodle. (  I have to get her ready for school and feel like I won’t be able to get her out of the door.. I don’t want to make her stay home because of this..that isn’t fair to her.  *sigh* I need your hug thanks xoxoxo love Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3

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    A friend of mine had it, though only at night, and his physician prescribed him Benadryl and it worked. This has been quite a few years ago though. Rick

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Is it possible to develop RLS as a side effect of Zoloft? Ever since my gp upped my dose to 150mg I can’t seem to keep my feet still. I’m constantly moving my feet around, even when I sleep. And I don’t like doing it but I can’t seem to help it. Mary — "I want to walk and not run.  I want to skip and not fall.  I want to look at the horizon  and not see a building standing tall." – Dixie Chicks

Hi Edward, I have RLS occassionally, an irresistable urge to keep moving my legs, usually dorsiflexion of the feet. While clonazepam seems to be the treatment of choice, I don’t see why it would be better than any other benzo. There are many, many treatments for RLS, as is often the case when no one treatment is that successful. Chip p.s. cutting back on the caffeine (coffee) may help Hi group: has anyone ever heard of "restless leg syndrome" i have always thought this condition / experience was related to anxiety, however, now i have read that it is a separate "syndrome" RLS is defined as the need to constantly move a leg, it is usually apparent in the evening/night. It is also worse when forced to sit still as in riding in a car, airplane, or sitting in a cinema. Has anyone experienced this and/or been successfully treated for it (there is no cure). Thanks again group for your responses, but please do not email me, I use my email for work as well as private. Post your answers here on the newsgroup. Again, thank you for all your helpful information.

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I have just looked up information about restless leg syndrome this morning. I checked the sleepmed site and National Sleep Foundation. Apparently, there is a correlation with B-12 deficiancy and rls. I had restless legs last year and before.I started to improve my eating,exercising and I started taking vitamins and minerals related to stress and anxiety. I started taking the B complex with a B12 and I have not had any problems with restless legs for about a year now! It is a vitamin, that I buy at WalMart. I would give it a try as it will not hurt you nor interfer with prescriptions. Facts About Restless Legs What is Restless Legs Syndrome? If you have restless legs syndrome (RLS), or are a physician seeing a patient with RLS, you’ll probably recognize these symptoms: An urge to move the legs, often accompanied by uncomfortable sensations in the legs, usually described as a creeping or crawling feeling, but sometimes as a tingling, cramping, burning or just plain pain. Some patients have no definite sensation, except for the need to move. (The arms may also be affected, but that’s much less common.) The need to move the legs to relieve the discomfort, by stretching or bending, rubbing the legs, tossing or turning in bed, or getting up and pacing the floor. Moving usually offers some temporary relief of symptoms. A definite worsening of the discomfort when lying down, especially when you’re trying to fall asleep at night, or during other forms of inactivity, including just sitting. A tendency to experience the most discomfort late in the day and at night. Sleep disturbances are common with RLS, primarily because of the difficulty it causes in getting to sleep. If leg twitching or jerking is also present, a related disorder called periodic limb movements during sleep (PLMS) may be the cause. With PLMS, the leg movements may be severe enough to awaken you (see the PLMS fact sheet). In RLS, PLMS-like sypmtoms can sometimes occur during wakefulness, as well as in sleep. How common is RLS? Restless leg syndrome may affect as much as 2-5 percent of the population, with varying degrees of intensity. What causes RLS? The cause of RLS is still unknown. Some cases are inherited and more than one family member may be affected. Some cases have been associated with nerve damage in the legs due to diabetes, kidney problems or alcoholism. RLS can also be a side effect of a pinched nerve root from arthritis in the lower back (sciatica). Is RLS serious? RLS is not considered medically serious. However, the symptoms can range anywhere from bothersome to incapacitating. Fluctuations in severity are common, and occasionally the symptoms may disappear for periods of time. RLS can begin at any age, but the symptoms tend to worsen over the years and become more severe in middle-to-old age. Pregnancy or hormonal changes may temporarily worsen RLS symptoms. Stress, diet or other environmental factors may play a role for some people. Can RLS be treated? Most cases of RLS respond well to medical treatment. There are three main classes of medication that have been shown to be effective in treating both RLS and PLMS. Benzodiazepines – This class includes such drugs as diazepam (Valium),clonazepam (Klonopin), temazepam (Restoril) and triazolam (Halcion). L-Dopa – This class enhances a brain chemical known as dopamine. It includes such drugs as L-Dopa with carbidopa (Sinement), pergolide (Permax) and bromocriptine (Parlodel). Opiates – This class generally is reserved for the more severe symptoms. It includes codeine (active ingredient in Tylenol #3), oxycodone (active ingredient in Percocet), propoxyphene (Darvon) and methadone (in very severe cases only). All of these medicatons are available by prescription only and should only be taken while under the care of a licensed physician. Where do I go for help? Seek professional medical advice. You may wish to begin by consulting your family physician or by making an appointment for an evaluation at an accredited sleep disorders center in your area. For a listing of accredited centers, contact: The National Sleep Foundation, 1522 K St., NW, Suite 510, Washington, DC 20005. Phone (202) 347-3471 or fax (202) 347- 3472. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Margrove writes (in re: RLS): a true case of restless leg is not anxiety based at all. It is usually caused from being overtired or overworked in a physical sense. The nuerons of the muscles are still firing to one level or another in a hyperactive way-you can notice it most when you are overtired. Some are helped by adding a dose of niacin or niacinamide a b vitimin around 100mg to their diet-others a nice physical workout 3x per week does the trick. There are vascular problems that can mimic this benign condition so if you have pain or numness coldness or severe cramping of the calf muscles have your doc check it out. Some folks are also helped by increased calcium and magnesium but ask a doc first. LM

Hi Margrove! Just wanted to say thanks for this info…we had a pt. at the clinic where I med. assisted in the early 80’s with RLS, and I felt so bad for him, since there wasn’t much known about the cause, tx, etc. Now I’ll have something to refer to if I encounter someone w/ the problem again… Very interesting & helpful, as always! Love, Char*) P.S. FWIW, I am forever wiggling a foot or moving a leg while sitting down…I always figured it was a "nervous habit", which certainly wouldn’t be far-fetched for a PD Type A personality like me:P

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Is it possible to develop RLS as a side effect of Zoloft? Ever since my gp upped my dose to 150mg I can’t seem to keep my feet still. I’m constantly moving my feet around, even when I sleep. And I don’t like doing it but I can’t seem to help it. Mary Yes. Zoloft (and all SSRIs) can induce or exacerbate movement disorders, one of which is RLS. An increase in my Zoloft dose once resulted in a worsening of my RLS, and this got better after a reduction in Zoloft dose. A later increase in Zoloft dose did not cause a worsening of my RLS. A temporary reduction in Zoloft dose may resolve this problem for you. Good luck. Chip

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Hi Edward, I have RLS occassionally, an irresistable urge to keep moving my legs, usually dorsiflexion of the feet. While clonazepam seems to be the treatment of choice, I don’t see why it would be better than any other benzo. There are many, many treatments for RLS, as is often the case when no one treatment is that successful. Chip p.s. cutting back on the caffeine (coffee) may help Hi group: has anyone ever heard of "restless leg syndrome" i have always thought this condition / experience was related to anxiety, however, now i have read that it is a separate "syndrome" RLS is defined as the need to constantly move a leg, it is usually apparent in the evening/night. It is also worse when forced to sit still as in riding in a car, airplane, or sitting in a cinema. Has anyone experienced this and/or been successfully treated for it (there is no cure). Thanks again group for your responses, but please do not email me, I use my email for work as well as private. Post your answers here on the newsgroup. Again, thank you for all your helpful information.

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Hi group:  has anyone ever heard of "restless leg syndrome"  i have always thought this condition / experience was related to anxiety, however, now i have read that it is a separate "syndrome"  RLS is defined as the need to constantly move a leg, it is usually apparent in the evening/night.  It is also worse when forced to sit still as in riding in a car, airplane, or sitting in a cinema. Has anyone experienced this and/or been successfully treated for it (there is no cure). Thanks again group for your responses, but please do not email me, I use my email for work as well as private.  Post your answers here on the newsgroup. Again, thank you for all your helpful information.

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I think everyone I know has that!  (And they’re normies?) bw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group:  has anyone ever heard of "restless leg syndrome"  i have always thought this condition / experience was related to anxiety, however, now i have read that it is a separate "syndrome"  RLS is defined as the need to constantly move a leg, it is usually apparent in the evening/night. It is also worse when forced to sit still as in riding in a car, airplane, or sitting in a cinema. Has anyone experienced this and/or been successfully treated for it (there is no cure). Thanks again group for your responses, but please do not email me, I use my email for work as well as private.  Post your answers here on the newsgroup. Again, thank you for all your helpful information.

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It’s common knowledge that Edward Fadden said: Hi group:  has anyone ever heard of "restless leg syndrome"  i have always thought this condition / experience was related to anxiety, however, now i have read that it is a separate "syndrome"  RLS is defined as the need to constantly move a leg, it is usually apparent in the evening/night.  It is also worse when forced to sit still as in riding in a car, airplane, or sitting in a cinema. Has anyone experienced this and/or been successfully treated for it (there is no cure). Thanks again group for your responses, but please do not email me, I use my email for work as well as private.  Post your answers here on the newsgroup. Again, thank you for all your helpful information.

Yes, I have experienced it.  Didn’t know it was a "syndrome" though! But it can really be irritating.  If it happens in bed, it can keep me awake for hours.  I hate it! Huggs, Cathy

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I have "periodic limb movement syndrome" which is different in the effect that my limbs will twitch or jolt out uncontrollably; not too much of a pain, I’m pretty used to it; and it isn’t that noticable unless it’s noghttime.  Right before I fall asleep my legs jolt big time!  I’ve pretty much learned to pay no mind to it.  It’s as subconscience as breathing to me, now. Kerrie

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a true case of restless leg is not anxiety based at all. It is usually caused from being overtired or overworked in a physical sense. The nuerons of the muscles are still firing to one level or another in a hyperactive way-you can notice it most when you are overtired. Some are helped by adding a dose of niacin or niacinamide a b vitimin around 100mg to their diet-others a nice physical workout 3x per week does the trick. There are vascular problems that can mimic this benign condition so if you have pain or numness coldness or severe cramping of the calf muscles have your doc check it out. Some folks are also helped by increased calcium and magnesium but ask a doc first. LM

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My pdoc who has been diagnosed with this syndrome treats it by taking a very low dosage of Klonopin before bed, since that is when it is most bothersome. However I have heard that some people can gain relief through vitamins, but I really do not know much about that, since this is not something I have done much research into. Good Luck! d

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I have Fibromyalgia and I also get the restless leg syndrome.  Mine happens whenever it takes a notion. Hope that helps.. Buffie —

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my only intent on this matter… was to warn Karen that this is something she should be concerned about… and that she should be in contact with her dr……. You stated:" warnings are only to remind the drs" I would disagree. The pharmacies in this area give out a "patient information leaflet" on each medication that they fill. This is listed on the warnings that goes out to the patient. You also stated that is was "unfair" for me::" to characterize that prozac and serzone have the potential to cause suicidal tendancies. "  I am not on the payroll for these companies…..(unfortunately    ) My only concern was to advise Karen b4 she attempted that warning… Tami…:) ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t believe tha your PDR states specifically that suicidal tendancies are a side effect of prozac or serzone. Instead, I believe that it says something slightly different. Am I right? my mistake..  it is not listed under side effects .it is listed under contraindications: "use with extreme caution in patients at risk for suicide." "monitor moods and allow minimal supply to be filled at pharmacy." my point being.. that u can feel this way while taking this medication and she needs to contact her dr. and be monitored so she does not follow thru on this. Yeah. Well, the reason I asked a question instead of made a statement is that I thought you might learn a bit better if you looked it up yourself. Anyway, suicidal ideation is a not uncommonly encountered symptom of depression itself. I thought I’d refine your post, because it’s really not fair to characterize prozac or other ad’s as contrib- uting to suicidal ideation. Medications that have such warnings usually do so to remind the physician that their patient may be suicidal; in fact, some medications — particularly those that can be overdosed — make this warning very clear so as to alert the physician to the possibility of using the medication itself as an instrument of suicide. C/

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Serzone was the last anti-depressant I took last January through July. I have taken zolft, prozac, effexor, and trazodone when it comes to anti-depressants.  Of all of them Effexor has worked the best.  I am about to be put back on an anti-depressant for circumstances I don’t want to say, but I have been on about 18 meds because I am bipolar. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on Serzone a month and a half.  I am afraid to be alone any time at all and I have a lot of suicidal thoughts…how can I safely get off and what other anti-depressant could I mix with it and start taking immediately that would be safe? I also take synthroid and ativan. Before you buy.

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I was also on Serzone for several months and found myself tearful most of the time,almost suicidal. I talked with my Md. and was changed to Celexa. I have found myself much better. Talk with your doctor as there are many more medicines that may help you. http://community.webtv.net/strawsmom/MERRYCHRISTMASTOALL

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I don’t believe tha your PDR states specifically that suicidal tendancies are a side effect of prozac or serzone. Instead, I believe that it says something slightly different. Am I right? my mistake..  it is not listed under side effects .it is listed under contraindications: "use with extreme caution in patients at risk for suicide." "monitor moods and allow minimal supply to be filled at pharmacy." my point being.. that u can feel this way while taking this medication and she needs to contact her dr. and be monitored so she does not follow thru on this.

Yeah. Well, the reason I asked a question instead of made a statement is that I thought you might learn a bit better if you looked it up yourself. Anyway, suicidal ideation is a not uncommonly encountered symptom of depression itself. I thought I’d refine your post, because it’s really not fair to characterize prozac or other ad’s as contrib- uting to suicidal ideation. Medications that have such warnings usually do so to remind the physician that their patient may be suicidal; in fact, some medications — particularly those that can be overdosed — make this warning very clear so as to alert the physician to the possibility of using the medication itself as an instrument of suicide. C/

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my mistake..  it is not listed under side effects .it is listed under contraindications: "use with extreme caution in patients at risk for suicide." "monitor moods and allow minimal supply to be filled at pharmacy." my point being.. that u can feel this way while taking this medication and she needs to contact her dr. and be monitored so she does not follow thru on this. tami – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  i got out my nursing drug handbook.. and as i thought .. it is a side effect of serzone, just as it is for prozac…suicidal tendancies. I don’t believe tha your PDR states specifically that suicidal tendancies are a side effect of prozac or serzone. Instead, I believe that it says something slightly different. Am I right? C/

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 i got out my nursing drug handbook.. and as i thought .. it is a side effect of serzone, just as it is for prozac…suicidal tendancies.

I don’t believe tha your PDR states specifically that suicidal tendancies are a side effect of prozac or serzone. Instead, I believe that it says something slightly different. Am I right? C/

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 i got out my nursing drug handbook.. and as i thought .. it is a side effect of serzone, just as it is for prozac…suicidal tendancies. u need to get in touch with your dr right away…. he needs to know this…. so he can change your med… 1 rule to follow..:u need to go to "one "pharmacy to get your drugs filled. so your pharmicist is aware of the meds u are on, for any drug interactions..  tami….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on Serzone a month and a half.  I am afraid to be alone any time at all and I have a lot of suicidal thoughts…how can I safely get off and what other anti-depressant could I mix with it and start taking immediately that would be safe? I also take synthroid and ativan. Before you buy.

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    I posted this before http://www.ozemail.com.au/~drobb/bms/pi.htm for info on Serzone. It has some interesting things to say.     I use Valium when I need it and passed on the offers of Zoloft, Xanax, Prozac, and the like. I was already aware, from first hand observation of those taking them, of what they are capable of. I will stay with what I have, thank you. It may not be popular but it seems to be a whole lot safer if you don’t need the effects that the others bring. It may not be the best solution but it is one that works for me to take the edge off when needed. The best part is that I was allowed to use the minimum dosage and when I need it. The hard part is trying to get through those times when you may want to take it but you know the feelings will pass faster than the pill can take effect so you just tough it out. If you can do that, you have half the battle won. Good Luck.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -my mistake..  it is not listed under side effects .it is listed under contraindications: "use with extreme caution in patients at risk for suicide." "monitor moods and allow minimal supply to be filled at pharmacy." my point being.. that u can feel this way while taking this medication and she needs to contact her dr. and be monitored so she does not follow thru on this. tami  i got out my nursing drug handbook.. and as i thought .. it is a side effect of serzone, just as it is for prozac…suicidal tendancies. I don’t believe tha your PDR states specifically that suicidal tendancies are a side effect of prozac or serzone. Instead, I believe that it says something slightly different. Am I right? C/

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If you are hypo-thyroid and feeling suicidal 1) make sure your thyroid hormone level is adequate 2) get switched onto a T4/T3 combo And just because a TSH test was done and the numbers are in "the normal range" does NOT mean you are not hypo-  there are problems with how the TSH normal range is calibrated, most MDs are not aware of the issues and questions about this.  They are taught that the TSH test is definite, accurate and extremely sensitive — sensitive it is, but the accuracy depends upon how it is interpreted (not blindly) and it can never be definite — because there are forms of thyroid disease where TSH numbers become meaningless.   T3 is one of the best anti-depressants in the shinks arsenal, most MDs however ignore or don’t know this. Depression and suicidal feelings are a symptom of hypo-, you may be undermedicated for hypo- or mis-diagnosed as NOT hypo- when you are. I know nothing about Serzone, I am not a medical doctor, do not change your medication without checking with your doctor(s) — Kevin G. Rhoads, Ph.D. (The Cheshire Cat for official Internet mascot.)

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I have been on Serzone a month and a half.  I am afraid to be alone any time at all and I have a lot of suicidal thoughts…how can I safely get off and what other anti-depressant could I mix with it and start taking immediately that would be safe? I also take synthroid and ativan. Before you buy.

Karen, The only idvise i can give, see your dokter. Efexor helped me get over the suicadal thoughts. taking now 300 mg, two times 150 mg. Kevin

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    You know, suicidal thoughts occur to a lot of people a lot of the time. There are days when it is a thought and something distracts you and you go about your business until the next time. Depression doesn’t help things either but staying busy and having an active social life is a tremendous help. Most of us here have had bouts with depression ( some severe and some accompanying PTSS ). My heart goes out to you. Please feel free to write if the need arises.     I have found a link to the product information on Serzone. It may help you ( or even the others here to help )  you understand better how it works and if you should discuss it at length with your doctor ( my personal opinion from experience is to talk to them at length about it ). The link is http://www.ozemail.com.au/~drobb/bms/pi.htm and it goes into some depth so assistance from someone like Ted or one of the others that are more medically or chemically knowledgeable may be needed to understand it better and maybe explain it all to you in lay terms ( Lord knows I don’t understand it all ).     If the thoughts of suicide become too much I suggest you get a hold of a friend and have them take you to the hospital for observation until it passes. Life is too short and precious to waste on a disease that is treatable. The hospital cannot keep you if you wish to leave so you shouldn’t worry about that, but, having caring people available with the knowledge to help will save you from doing anything rash. It would also be of benefit if a different type of medication needed in it’s place.     From all that I can gather on Ativan, it is in the same family as Valium and has potential for dependence. Personally, I take Valium in as small a dose as possible when needed. I wouldn’t, however, discontinue use of your medication under any circumstance unless it is under observation and approval by a health professional. ( this doesn’t mean it has to be in a hospital but your doctor does need to know if you are discontiuing use as potential for withdrawl symptoms can cause complications ).     Yes, you have a couple of issues that need to be resolved. I found that as the level of thyroid medication was increased I needed less and less of the Valium for the anxiety attack ( of course mine are PTSS related ). I’ve had to learn that they will pass in time and that I will be okay ( I can feel when they are coming on so I take a small dose of Valium at the onset ). Even without the Valium, I know it will pass but I try to stay active during the episodes ( it seems to help ). After learning to cope, the episodes tend to diminish in intensity when they do happen and so they happen less frequently than they used to.     You may find you have similar result or find something else that works for you. In either case you need to talk to your doctor about it and discuss your options. Always remember you have people you can talk to and if nothing else, I monitor this group and my own mail regularly. Feel free to write if you need. You are not alone, even when you are by yourself. All you need to do is let someone know.

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A month and a half is just enough time to get onto the first rung, re: dose. Since his dose is not working well enough, ask your doctor about another step up.  It is a long process to find the right med and the right dose… but it sounds like it may be too early to give up on this one yet. If you are having suicidal thoughts, the important thing is to NOT be alone, while your meds are adjusted and stabilize (which can take many weeks). Don’t be discouraged….  but also, don’t be alone until you are at a dose that works well enough. I was on serzone for  8 months over which i went from 50 mg/day up to 600mg/day.  I liked serzone re: lack of adverse side effects, but it just wasn’t enough for me.  It was thoughts (and detailed plans) of suicide at the 600mg/day level that got me to change (i.e. give up).  The difficult part in any change is the interface, the drop out from one med, the drop in of the other.  If you reach a point where you need to change meds, do not trust yourself being alone during this period.  Ask a close friend to ride with you.  Or if all else fails, the hospital is there to ensure that you are protected during these transitions.  There is no shame.  The right medication will help, and you will be glad, and safe, and free from the suicidal thoughts…. once you find it. Again, I think it may be too early for you to give up on the serzone yet… try higher doses with your pdoc (what dose are you on now?).   For many people serzone is very effective, and it’s the one they stay with….  once the find the right dose. best wishes, Han

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You should talk to the prescribing doctor (s) as soon as  possible. What works for one of us may not work for you.  Bob

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I have been on Serzone a month and a half.  I am afraid to be alone any time at all and I have a lot of suicidal thoughts…how can I safely get off and what other anti-depressant could I mix with it and start taking immediately that would be safe? I also take synthroid and ativan. Before you buy.

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