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Well here I am again, stormy weather, thunder storms, tornados, high humidity.  Home again home again jiggity jig.  I feel as though I have an ace bandage wrapped around my lungs, if only I could loosen those thingies, I could take a whole breath.  Theo-dur, zyrtec, flovent 220, combivent, asthmacort in the nose, eye drops, air conditioning, air filters, whats left?  A bubble?  I am so tired all of the time,  I’m tired of being tired. Sorry!  JUST VENTING!!  My head hurts, my throat hurts, my ears hurt, my lungs hurt, I look like that kids Mom on the smoking commercial.  I NEVER SMOKED !  NOT FAIR!!  oh well……

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Sonara, I really think breathing to moisten the deeper airways would help. I have a similar problem with rain even in warm weather.  Nose breathing helps remove particulates and I inspire smartly before slowly expiring (not through pursed lips but) as you are able (given your state of distress etc.) The moist air from the air sacs seems to sooth and remoisten these dry airways on the way out.  If this is the problem it will get easier to do even slower after a few minutes and with practice. Its ironic but high humidity does seem to interfere with the moistening of the deeper airways inducing bronchospasm. Reports that this technique can increase O2 saturation in some individuals is also encouraging. Bill not a doctor.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well here I am again, stormy weather, thunder storms, tornados, high humidity.  Home again home again jiggity jig.  I feel as though I have an ace bandage wrapped around my lungs, if only I could loosen those thingies, I could take a whole breath.  Theo-dur, zyrtec, flovent 220, combivent, asthmacort in the nose, eye drops, air conditioning, air filters, whats left?  A bubble?  I am so tired all of the time,  I’m tired of being tired. Sorry!  JUST VENTING!!  My head hurts, my throat hurts, my ears hurt, my lungs hurt, I look like that kids Mom on the smoking commercial.  I NEVER SMOKED !  NOT FAIR!!  oh well……

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I don’t know if it is because of Advair or not, but my father went into V-Fib 1 month after taking advair. He was very happy with the way he felt being on Advair, but never mentioned anything about the warnings. I just noticed that the warnings say that Advair can change heart rhythm.  That is exactly what happened to my father.  He never had heart problems before, in fact, his Dr has commented before that he has a very strong heart. I’m not sure where to go with this.  I just want to make sure that everyone takes these warnings seriously. Please be careful.  Having this happen to my father has been very difficult. Dave

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It may have been a cumulative effect was he taking something else before Advair. Many asthma sufferers take a form of steroids and albuterol and heart problems are frequent. My best wishes to you and your family and thanks for a difficult reminder. Lane

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Your comments can be true.  However, since being on Advair, he hasn’t used his inhaler, and he hasn’t taken prednisone for quite some time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It may have been a cumulative effect was he taking something else before Advair. Many asthma sufferers take a form of steroids and albuterol and heart problems are frequent. My best wishes to you and your family and thanks for a difficult reminder. Lane

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It is always difficult to know if a drug side effect is responsible or not. The PDR lists the same 101 side effects for every drug. While I was takng "anyoldmycin" my stocks plunged, my car wouldn’t start and I cut myself shaving. Was all this caused by "anyoldmycin"? Unfortunately it takes a very long time to decide which – if any – ofthe 101 side effects are "real" and requires withdrawal of a medication. The ingredients in Advair are quite common ones and seem to help many persons. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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Many people find Advair and Flovent disagreeable immedeiately.  So they switch to Pulmicort, which, conversely, is not for everyone.  These two are both powerful and effective steroids. Address:http://www.consumerlawpage.com/article/asthma.shtml Changed:9:56 PM on Friday, November 8, 2002

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After reading your post on the allergy group a while back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I’ll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal. Thanks for the suggestions. — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best facility for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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NorthShoreCEO wrote:

What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain.

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NorthShoreCEO wrote: What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know? If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain.

3% Hydrogen Peroxide has been used for decades by millions of people, for cuts and for gargling, to prevent infection and to help remove mucus and phlegm. It is readily available at most super markets, discount stores, retail stores, etc. There are no health warnings on the bottles. If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the proper authorities and warn them.

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"knob" <h…@dontemailme.com wrote in message news:Ouajc.10$Q5.7@fe39.usenetserver.com… NorthShoreCEO wrote: What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know? If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain. 3% Hydrogen Peroxide has been used for decades by millions of people, for cuts and for gargling, to prevent infection and to help remove mucus and phlegm. It is readily available at most super markets, discount stores, retail stores, etc. There are no health warnings on the bottles. If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the proper authorities and warn them.

I didn’t say hydrogen peroxide was a cancer risk.

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I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from the medical community, but I figured I’d offer my personal experience.

Thanks for sharing your experience.  Yes, I was looking for more scientific feedback, but also for use on longer term use than 30 months.  With all the research I do, I’ve not been able to find anything substantive.

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Hydrogen peroxide can’t be too awfully toxic. I used to got to an alt. med MD who also did IV chelation therapy and I saw many patients in his office do large IV drips of hydrogen peroxide solution and this wasn’t the 3% variety. I think they were doing the IVs to protect their heart. I can’t remember the specific rational because it’s been 10 years or so. I’m sure a Google search would tell you whatever their theory was behind ingesting hydrogen peroxide. I remember some of the patients also drank hydrogen peroxide. — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "NorthShoreCEO" <NorthShore…@aol.com

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What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

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Before western culture learned of it, 3,000 years ago the Yoga did rapid in and out sniffing of saline. They did it very rapidly at a low pressure. Which, essentially is what the Hydro Pulse does . This rapid in and out did stimulate cilia and did remove dust and pollen. Try to teach this today ! good luck. Most patients this gentle low pressure means about 70 PSI which will damage the nose. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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spam2death wrote: I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections. I’m sorry to hear that.  I hope that throwing more and more antibiotics at the problem isn’t the only thing your doctors are doing for you.  The most important thing your doctors should be doine for you, is trying to figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first place.

I’ve had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I’ve also taken desensitization shots several times and taken enough allergy pills to fill a 55 gallon drum. Once any of my sinuses or eustachen tubes clogs securely, an infection won’t be far behind.  I don’t even remember large portions of junior high because I was so zoned out on various allergy pills or sick with repeated sinus infections. My problem with sinus infections is that I probably wait much too long before beginning antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have diarreha so I was only on it two days. I’m taking Tequin now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability

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antibiotics? IIRC:  nasal irrigation and surgery.  Pretty much what they do now! The first diagnoses of chronic maxillary sinus infections were first made around the 17th century.  And over time, better and better surgical procedures were devised.  (The Caldwell-Luc surgical procedure, for many years the state-of-the-art in sinus surgery, was invented in the late 19th century.) In the 18th century, doctors realized that some sinus infections were caused by dental abscesses and could be helped by extractions of the upper molars.  Nasal irrigation was employed for the first time in the 18th century too. I remember seeing a couple of pictures of the elaborate mechanical apparatuses they used for nasal irrigation, before the invention of electric irrigators.  One of them was a big tank that was fastened high on the wall, way above your head.  You put the hose into your nose, turned the crank, and gravity and siphoning pulled the water down into your nose and thru your nasopharynx. — Steven L.

I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help. Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses. He had to have repeated major surgeries to try and cure the infection. The infections and related pain eventually cost him his job and career. I’d probably have to be fighting a malignancy before I’d risk surgery, but if I further lost my ability to breathe, I might change my mind. Thanks for the medical history lessons and suggestions.   spam2death

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I’ve had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I’ve also taken desensitization shots several times and taken enough allergy pills to fill a 55 gallon drum. Once any of my sinuses or eustachen tubes clogs securely, an infection won’t be far behind.  I don’t even remember large portions of junior high because I was so zoned out on various allergy pills or sick with repeated sinus infections. My problem with sinus infections is that I probably wait much too long before beginning antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have diarreha so I was only on it two days. I’m taking Tequin now.

Have you seen an ENT?  If so, what did he say?

I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help.

You might find that irrigation works better than spray. I use the Grossan irrigator religiously.  It works better for me than any nasal spray.

Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses.

Hmm, this is a new one for me. What the heck is "incurable MRSA?" Was this one of those brand-new strains of MRSA that’s even resistant to vancomycin? Not all hospitals are as careless as the one you describe.  Many of us have had sinus surgery and we didn’t get MRSA.  But we didn’t go to just any surgeon and just any hospital.  We chose carefully. — Steven L.

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"NorthShoreCEO" wrote: "What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on

tissue?  Does anyone know?" <================================

I’ve flooding my sinuses with a mixture of Hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt for about 30 months, an average of less than twice a month. Total flooding time averages about 15 minutes. After decades of sinus misery, my sinuses have never been better. I’ve also use electro-acupuncture to treat my sinuses, and watch my diet, and I have made changes to my environment, so I can’t attribute my good sinus health to just the flooding. So far, I have not had any bad effects from the contact of the peroxide with my sinuses. I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from the medical community, but I figured I’d offer my personal experience. ===

"Hydrogen peroxide is water with extra oxygen attached. The formula for

water is H2O, and for hydrogen peroxide is H2O2. Another name for hydrogen peroxide would be hydrogen dioxide." <===

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What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

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"spam2death" wrote: After reading your post on the allergy group a while

back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I’ll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal.  Thanks for the suggestions." << <=============================

When I’ve used too much peroxide, it has caused my sinuses to swell shut for about three straight days. I am careful not to use more than one part peroxide to 10 parts water. Even that much used to sting my sinuses, but not any more. If the powerful anti-infective mixture of peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt can get to the source of infection, or infected material, then it can fight the infection and help to prevent recurring infections. If it can’t get to the source of the infection, then the benefits are limited. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

— "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net wrote in message news:rcwic.2918$7a5.2178@bignews6.bellsouth.net… After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of

diluted

3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead

down

for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to

the

infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at

Healthboards.com.

There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down

sinus

flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best

facility

for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections. What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of antibiotics? Anyone have a brief explanation of archaic treatments used for sinus infections used in the years before antibiotics? Any medical historians in the group? thanks,    congested to death but still curious — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best facility for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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spam2death wrote:

I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections.

I’m sorry to hear that.  I hope that throwing more and more antibiotics at the problem isn’t the only thing your doctors are doing for you.  The most important thing your doctors should be doine for you, is trying to figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first place.

What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of antibiotics?

IIRC:  nasal irrigation and surgery.  Pretty much what they do now! The first diagnoses of chronic maxillary sinus infections were first made around the 17th century.  And over time, better and better surgical procedures were devised.  (The Caldwell-Luc surgical procedure, for many years the state-of-the-art in sinus surgery, was invented in the late 19th century.) In the 18th century, doctors realized that some sinus infections were caused by dental abscesses and could be helped by extractions of the upper molars.  Nasal irrigation was employed for the first time in the 18th century too. I remember seeing a couple of pictures of the elaborate mechanical apparatuses they used for nasal irrigation, before the invention of electric irrigators.  One of them was a big tank that was fastened high on the wall, way above your head.  You put the hose into your nose, turned the crank, and gravity and siphoning pulled the water down into your nose and thru your nasopharynx. — Steven L.

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My jogging results decreased considarably when using an antidepressant. (Forgot the name, started with an i )

Imipramine? Besides that, I slept poor, had problems with shitting (sorry, don’t know a good english phrase), dizzyness when standing up and more.

Yup.  That sounds like imipramine. Imipramine’s common side effects include   sedation   dry mouth   blurred vision   urinary retention   constipation   orthostatic hypotension (dizzyness when standing up)   weight gain (moderate)   myoclonus (involuntary muscle jerks, especially at night)   lowered blood pressure   increased heart rate In my own experience, imipramine puts me to sleep very effectively, but I often wake up after two or three hours, and sometimes have trouble getting back to sleep afterwards. I haven’t heard of any special problems with running, although sedation could be the problem, I suppose. Anyway, if you can’t tolerate the side effects, there are many other antidepressants that don’t have these particular ones.  You should mention the problems to your doctor and ask whether it would be advisable to change drugs. S. suricata

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Hello folks– I’ve been prescribed Effexor XR for just over a month for moderate depression. I started at the lower doses of 37.5 and 75 mg. for two weeks, and I’ve been on the 150 mg. dose (once a day) for nearly 3 weeks.  I’ve had very few of the *customary* side effects and I’m tolerating the 150 mg. dose well, and the medication is really working well at alleviating my depression. However, I think the medication is negatively affecting my harder runs–specifically my recent 5K to 5 mile races, and my tempo/interval workout on Wednesday evenings.  For example, I’ve slowed down about 1:30 for my 5K time (29:15 in mid-November to 30:45 on New Year’s Day), and I’m considerably slower running my interval workout when I take my pill the morning of the workout.  Yesterday I experimented by skipping my pill, and ran my workout great–like before I started on the medication.  However, last nite I had very vivid dreams while sleeping (the second time this has happened), and felt groggy when getting up–which passed after I took my pill after eating breakfast this morning. Does anyone here on the newsgroups know specifically about the cardiovascular effects of anti-depressants?  Will my running/training be compromised for as long as I’m on the medication?  I’ll be mentioning this to my psychiatrist when I see her soon, but I thought I’d ask about it here first.  Since she told me that I could expect to be on medication this time for over a year (this is my 3rd recurrence of depression in 16 years), I’d really like to get this little *wrinkle* straightened out sooner instead of later! Thanks in advance– Jean Barto Newport News, VA — "If you are going through hell, keep going." Winston Churchill

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Venlafaxine (Effexor) has a minor CNS depressant effect that in theory *could* have affected your performance. In general, sports and meds should be kept separate if possible. M99

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My jogging results decreased considarably when using an antidepressant. (Forgot the name, started with an i ) Besides that, I slept poor, had problems with shitting (sorry, don’t know a good english phrase), dizzyness when standing up and more.

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They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery… But somebody just ripped off my whole Keywords: line! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lynd…@bigfoot.com (LyndaNP) wrote:

One of the best ways to learn about medication effects–both positive and negative–is by comparing notes with other patients.  The following index links to forum posts discussing each particular medication.  Read what others have had to say about your medication and share your own experiences. Adapin, Sinequan (doxepin) Anafranil (clomipramine) Buspar (buspirone) Desyrel (trazodone) Celexa (citalopram) Effexor (venlafaxine) Elavil, Endep (amitriptyline) Luvox (fluvoxamine) Nardil (phenelzine) Norpramin, Pertofrane (desipramine) Pamelor (nortryptyline) Parnate (tranylcypromine) Paxil, Seroxat (paroxetine) Prozac (fluoxetine) Remeron (mirtazapine) Serzone  (nefazodone) Surmontil (trimipramine) Tofranil (imipramine) Vestra (reboxetine) Wellbutrin (bupropion) Zoloft (sertraline) — LyndaNP

— "Thou shalt not suffer a witch [poisoner] to live" – Exodus 22:18 "A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death" – Leviticus 20:27 More more info, visit http://www.drugawareness.org

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Hi Julie, I often find it odd that anti-depressants are so useful for anxiety reduction. But my pdoc told me that properties in anti-depressants are as effective for anxiety disorders as well. So if it owrks…I’ll take it! Social anxiety could be treated more effectively with Behavior therapy. Experiencing fearful situations, having success in incremental steps in social surrondings while on the prozac could be a good course to take. Start small and work in progressive steps towards whatever goal you have set for yourself. Just be realistic…if you set the bar too high and don’t make it, you’ll feel more defeated and may not progress to your liking. Whatever you decide to do, just be yourself and treat yourself with the respect you’d like to have. So often to feel better, we have to start with the addressing way in which we treat ourselves…from there its easy. Peace, John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’ve had somewhat minor anxiety or panic attacks for years.  I finally got some help from a dr. last year.  I am taking Prozac and have felt so much better. I still have some social anxiety at times.  I don’t know why. Does Prozac help in that way?  I don’t ever feel that I am Depressed…just anxious or worried. Any one  know what I’m talking about? Give me some feedback!  :)

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I have had anxiety for 11 years without any depression.  Some of the meds that work for depression also work for anxiety.  If you are feeling better with the Prozac, this is a good thing.   Take care, Liz Hey, I’ve had somewhat minor anxiety or panic attacks for years.  I finally got some help from a dr. last year.  I am taking Prozac and have felt so much better. I still have some social anxiety at times.  I don’t know why. Does Prozac help in that way?  I don’t ever feel that I am Depressed…just anxious or worried. Any one  know what I’m talking about? Give me some feedback!  :)

–          Your mind is a garden,        your thoughts are the seeds. the harvest can be either flowers or weeds.             – Author Unknown

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Hey, I’ve had somewhat minor anxiety or panic attacks for years.  I finally got some help from a dr. last year.  I am taking Prozac and have felt so much better. I still have some social anxiety at times.  I don’t know why. Does Prozac help in that way?  I don’t ever feel that I am Depressed…just anxious or worried. Any one  know what I’m talking about? Give me some feedback!  :)

Dear Julie, Welcome to ASAP!! It sounds like the Prozac has really helped you. The best thing for Social Anxiety is cognitive behavioral therapy. Take care Jackie

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Thanks, Liz!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had anxiety for 11 years without any depression.  Some of the meds that work for depression also work for anxiety.  If you are feeling better with the Prozac, this is a good thing. Take care, Liz Hey, I’ve had somewhat minor anxiety or panic attacks for years.  I finally got some help from a dr. last year.  I am taking Prozac and have felt so much better. I still have some social anxiety at times.  I don’t know why. Does Prozac help in that way?  I don’t ever feel that I am Depressed…just anxious or worried. Any one  know what I’m talking about? Give me some feedback!  :) —          Your mind is a garden,        your thoughts are the seeds. the harvest can be either flowers or weeds.             – Author Unknown

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Hey, I’ve had somewhat minor anxiety or panic attacks for years.  I finally got some help from a dr. last year.  I am taking Prozac and have felt so much better. I still have some social anxiety at times.  I don’t know why. Does Prozac help in that way?  I don’t ever feel that I am Depressed…just anxious or worried. Any one  know what I’m talking about? Give me some feedback!  :)

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Hey, I’ve had somewhat minor anxiety or panic attacks for years.  I finally got some help from a dr. last year.  I am taking Prozac and have felt so much better. I still have some social anxiety at times.  I don’t know why. Does Prozac help in that way?  I don’t ever feel that I am Depressed…just anxious or worried. Any one  know what I’m talking about? Give me some feedback!  :)

IMO the thing to do is start Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) which will in all probabilty help a lot witht he social anxiety. Philip

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My 11 year old son was prescribed porzac for his anxiety. He started at 10 mgs., but was still feeling anxiety so now he is up to 20 mgs. He has been on the medication for a total of 6 weeks and is tolerating it well. It seems to take to edgfe off of his anxious feelings. It didn’t happen overnight, and he still may not benefit from the full effects yet. He is not 100 % OK, but it DOES take time. Be patient!! Good Luck. If anyone out there has had experience with prozac and a child, please let me know.

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 hi, I am a reporter for The Associated Press, and am looking for people who are currently in therapy and are anxious about the economy. I’d like to talk to them for an article I’m writing on the stress Americans are feeling due to the changing economy. Anyone I talk to won’t be quoted without their permission.  I prefer to talk by telephone, (212-621-1555), but am happy to communicate first by e-mail. I need to talk by WED, OCT. 28, however.  I hope someone could come forward to share their experiences.  Sincerely, Maggie Jackson My 11 year old son was prescribed porzac for his anxiety. He started at 10 mgs., but was still feeling anxiety so now he is up to 20 mgs. He has been on the medication for a total of 6 weeks and is tolerating it well. It seems to take to edgfe off of his anxious feelings. It didn’t happen overnight, and he still may not benefit from the full effects yet. He is not 100 % OK, but it DOES take time. Be patient!! Good Luck. If anyone out there has had experience with prozac and a child, please let me know.

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Hi John and thanks for writing..i do have one side affect from prozac and that is really bad headaches and some nausea

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    Hi everyone..My name is Kelle im 21 and i suffer from anxiety attacks     and slight depression..i have been prescribed Prozac 20mgs from my     psychiatrist..im on it 2 weeks and dont feel a difference..i heard these     medications take about 4-6 weeks to work..if anyone had any good     experiences with prozac and depression or anxiety please let me know     I will say that if you have been on Prozac for only 2 weeks, it is too early to judge whether you may benefit or not.  I did not have much luck with prozac with regards to anxiety, but I also couldn’t bare the side effects it caused me.  You didn’t mention that you were suffering from any side effects, so that in itself is positive.  That alone will allow you to continue taking the medicine with hopes of benefiting from it.  If after 6 weeks, you don’t show *any* improvement with your anxiety/depression, you probably will want to switch medications.  At that point there are many people in this newsgroup who could offer plenty of good, sound advice.     good luck….     John L.

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Hi everyone..My name is Kelle im 21 and i suffer from anxiety attacks and slight depression..i have been prescribed Prozac 20mgs from my psychiatrist..im on it 2 weeks and dont feel a difference..i heard these medications take about 4-6 weeks to work..if anyone had any good experiences with prozac and depression or anxiety please let me know

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You are right two weeks of prozac is far too soon to tell anything.  My own experience with prozac is that it was ineffective in controlling anxiety or anxiety attacks, klonopin works much better for me.  You might investigate that or other benzodiazapenes either in addition to or instead of prozac, for one thing you will get much faster results.  peter

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Note: Someone e-mailed me concerned that I was giving Prozac free advertising, hmmm ok…am I? Yes, I am telling you all take Prozac or die…relax people. Also, what follows is only my opinion, do NOT take it as truth or let it sway YOUR opinion of Prozac or any other anti-depressants. OK, Prozac has been called the "miracle drug". Hey, it’s not only used to treat Depression anymore! Now it has been approved for the treatment of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Bulimia and PMS. Hmmm, what will Prozac "cure" next? I’ve seen people on up to 80 mg. of Prozac, AND it did CRAP for them. Now they have all these new anti depressants, like Effexor, Paxil, Zoloft and Luvox. Still none have become such a "pop culture" icon as Prozac! I mean, Prozac is on tee-shirts, in tons of books, you name it. Still the strangest Prozac use, in my opinion, was when my friend’s Dalmation was on Prozac. The vet prescribed it because the dog was hyper. After that the dog bugged out more & started biting people, until they had to put him to sleep. Hmmm, should we take a clue from that? Hey, check out these "possible" Prozac side effects (taken from an actual med info sheet given with prescription): Loss of appetite, rash, headache, anxiety, rapid pulse, loss of coordination, trouble breathing, trouble urinating, dizziness/drowsiness. OK, well that’s fun……. The newest ad from those wacky Prozac people follows. Aww, how cutesy, I guess they think that this will make everyone want Prozac, those masterminds. If you take Prozac you will see the cute little birdies outside your window too! Well, thought I’d share my thoughts, so that they don’t eat me alive. You can now say, "Thanks for sharing", like all the wackos in AA would say. Don’t even get me started on the topic of "AA". Well, maybe another day, if enough people would like to hear. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Thank You for sharing!  (((hugs)))

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I’ve been on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft and Trazodone.  The Trazodone is nice in that it helps me sleep at night(that is mainly what I use it for.  The Zoloft did not work for me, either.  The only thing I recall working is the Prozac.  I am back on it as of today.  I will see how it works this time.  :-)

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I haven’t noticed much in the way of side effects besides being sleepy the first couple weeks.

Aha… so I’m not the only one… hehe… Liah who is sleeping way too much

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Of all the SSRI type meds, I liked  Paxil the best. Im kinda aggressive (not violent) and it takes the edge off better than zac or loft. Kinda costs more tho….. Good luck 2u, Kev – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I switched from Zoloft to Prozac for the same reason.  This is my second go round with Prozac.  I haven’t noticed much in the way of side effects besides being sleepy the first couple weeks.  It’s gotten me out of the depths, but I’m not really *happy* per se, so I think it’s gonna take therapy to get me the rest of the way. Melissa — Hand over the chocolate, and no one gets hurt.

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I switched from Zoloft to Prozac for the same reason.  This is my second go round with Prozac.  I haven’t noticed much in the way of side effects besides being sleepy the first couple weeks.  It’s gotten me out of the depths, but I’m not really *happy* per se, so I think it’s gonna take therapy to get me the rest of the way. Melissa — Hand over the chocolate, and no one gets hurt.

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trina, different ADs work differently in different people, i was on zoloft but had no success, same thing with prozac, effexor, and now i’m trying aropax again. Because they have different effects on different people it makes it difficult to try to recommend any other AD’s, all i can rwally say is keep trying until you find something you feel works for you. Good Luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i started taking zoloft back in april.  i think it helped my depression for a bit, but i don’t think it does anymore.  lately i’ve been getting more and more depressed, and i realized that this could simply be due to the fact that the weather is changing and all, but it doesn’t feel like just that. i’ve been having a lot of problems dealing with life in the real world lately, avoiding obligations, calling in sick to work because i can’t get out of bed, etc.  i’ve been starting to wonder if zoloft ever really worked for me, or if the "up" (not that it was a very high up) i felt might have just been a placebo effect because i was finally doing something about my depression. has anyone else had this same experience?  if so, what did you do about it? i’ve been thinking about asking my doctor (just a GP, i don’t have a pdoc) to prescribe me some new meds.  i don’t know that much about ADs though. what i’ve learned about drugs other than SSRIs kinda scares me (possibly unfounded), so i would kind of like to stick within the SSRI group.  i’ve been told that prozac has a bit more of a "kick" than zoloft, is that true? has anyone here ever switched from zoloft to prozac, and if so, what are the differences in positive effect, side effects, etc.?  also, any strong recommendations for other drugs?  i would really appreciate some help with this, because i’ve been really struggling.  i’m afraid i’m going to get really bad again, and won’t be able to handle it.  i need to be better, because i can’t afford to be bad right now. thanks in advance, trina take "nospam" out of the reply address to e-mail.

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i started taking zoloft back in april.  i think it helped my depression for a bit, but i don’t think it does anymore.  lately i’ve been getting more and more depressed, and i realized that this could simply be due to the fact that the weather is changing and all, but it doesn’t feel like just that. i’ve been having a lot of problems dealing with life in the real world lately, avoiding obligations, calling in sick to work because i can’t get out of bed, etc.  i’ve been starting to wonder if zoloft ever really worked for me, or if the "up" (not that it was a very high up) i felt might have just been a placebo effect because i was finally doing something about my depression. has anyone else had this same experience?  if so, what did you do about it? i’ve been thinking about asking my doctor (just a GP, i don’t have a pdoc) to prescribe me some new meds.  i don’t know that much about ADs though. what i’ve learned about drugs other than SSRIs kinda scares me (possibly unfounded), so i would kind of like to stick within the SSRI group.  i’ve been told that prozac has a bit more of a "kick" than zoloft, is that true? has anyone here ever switched from zoloft to prozac, and if so, what are the differences in positive effect, side effects, etc.?  also, any strong recommendations for other drugs?  i would really appreciate some help with this, because i’ve been really struggling.  i’m afraid i’m going to get really bad again, and won’t be able to handle it.  i need to be better, because i can’t afford to be bad right now. thanks in advance, trina take "nospam" out of the reply address to e-mail.

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I started trying to get pregnant.  This is my first cycle without the Zoloft and I am due for AF any day now and I am soooooooo cranky and most of all sooooooooo sad all the time.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with this?  Today is so bad that I had to take my 2 yr old daughter over to my mom’s house because she doesn’t understand why I cry so much and it makes her so sad to see my crying.  I feel like a total failure because I can’t even take care of the daughter I do have when I am like this.         Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. KD Pearce remove the 4 before replying

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Hi- It sounds as though maybe you are having zoloft withdrawal.  Do you know a lot about this med?  Did your doctor explain to you that zoloft is a strong anti depressant?  Maybe you could benefit by taking something milder.  Good luck to you.

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as soon as I started trying (seriouly) to get pregnant 1.5 years ago my dr. took me off all meds. even the one for pms and it has been a huge ajustment and my poor husband and 4 year old are always the butt end of all my anger and sadness! My only suggestion is to ask your husband to help more. And ask your Re if you can take an over the counter drug for pms. they told me I could , but so far I have’nt. good luckMissy

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hi people , i’m new to this group. just a little short question here. my therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation. will it help alleviate the axiety indirectly ? has anyone ever got to suppress the extreme anxiety they suffer,  through combination of benzo and anti-dep ? thanks. btw, are there any anxiety support groups in singapore ?

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Kelvin schreef: hi people , i’m new to this group. just a little short question here. my therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation. will it help alleviate the axiety indirectly ? has anyone ever got to suppress the extreme anxiety they suffer,  through combination of benzo and anti-dep ? thanks. btw, are there any anxiety support groups in singapore ?

Hi Kelvin UND welcome at ASAP, Many antidepressants, among which the SSRI-class, are first choice meds for anxiety. The combo with a benzo (which one do you have prescribed?) is a common and sensible one. You should give Luvox about 6-8 weeks max. to kick in. You may experience some side effects like heigtened anxiety in the first few weeks, although the benzo will probably take care of that. Philip

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: hi people , i’m new to this group. Hello, Welcome to ASAP! : just a little short question here. my : therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me : with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years : by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an : anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation. will it help alleviate the : axiety indirectly ? has anyone ever got to suppress the extreme anxiety they : suffer,  through combination of benzo and anti-dep ? thanks. SRIs (same as SSRIs) are called antidepressants simply because that is what such medications were first used for. SRIs address problems with serotonin balance, and serotonin balance is sometimes the cause of depression and/or anxiety disorders. Benzodiazepines, on the other hand, address problems with another hormone/neurotransmitter called cholecystokinin (CCK), which can also be a cause of anxiety disorders. It is typical for benzos to be prescribed with SRIs. Basically, as your body adjusts to the SRI, your serotonin levels will go through some changes, and this can result in changes of CCK as well. In such cases, the benzo helps control the CCK during this adjustment period. It’s also important to note that in some cases serotonin balance may not be the cause of an anxiety disorder. Some cases seem to be much more related to CCK. In such cases, SRIs seem unnecessary and the disorder may be best treated with a benzo alone. : btw, are there any anxiety support groups in singapore ? I don’t know. Singapore is a bit outside of my neighborhood. (I live in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US)                                         Best Wishes,                                         Arthur

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hi people , i’m new to this group. just a little short question here. my therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation

Kelvin All cases are different.  In my case, I was prescribed some ativan to take until the SSRI I took kicked in.  I was on zoloft which I have weaned myself off of, to go on 5-HTP which seems to be doing the trick without all the side effects of zoloft. The SSRI you are on, lovox, I am not familiar with, but I am sure if your doctor knows you have anxiety attacks, that SSRI will help.  Zoloft helps with anxiety and depression, but takes about 6 weeks to kick in.  Once it kicked in, I was able to wean, VERY SLOWLY, off of the ativan.  In fact, I will never take ativan again, since it was so hard to get off of. sharryn

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hi people , i’m new to this group. just a little short question here. my therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation. will it help alleviate the axiety indirectly ? has anyone ever got to suppress the extreme anxiety they suffer,  through combination of benzo and anti-dep ? thanks. btw, are there any anxiety support groups in singapore ?

I was on Prozac for three years for pretty severe anxiety.  It worked very well, though it took a while for it to take care of all my anxiety.  Then it pooped out on me (which SSRIs tend to do), and left me in quite a bind psychologically.  (I should also say that I suspect that when it pooped out it actually made my anxiety worse–my anxiety now is worse than it was before I had started Prozac.)    This is just my opinion, of course, but I think that for long-term treatment of anxiety, benzos are a better bet than SSRIs.  We know that benzos are safe, they have fewer side effects, and they don’t poop out.  But, if there is depression along with the anxiety, an SSRI or an SSRI and a benzo together are a good choice. Though many doctors would rather keep someone on an antidepressant long-term for anxiety rather than a benzo, you might want to think about going with just the benzo after things stabilize with the anxiety (in 6 months to a year or so).  Again, I’m not a doctor, but I’d much rather be on something I know is safe long term than take my chances with something that is such that we don’t know its long-term effects.  (I myself am on Zoloft and a benzo right now for anxiety and depression caused by the anxiety, but in six or so months (given that the depression lifts) I plan on going with just the benzo. Anyway, good luck with your treatment! Best, Matt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m a new poster to this list and I am hoping that someone out there can give me some advice on Effexor. I take anti-depressants for chronic pain.  I just recently switched from Serzone to Effexor.  The Serzone was working well, but I was having trouble concentrating. I have been taking the Effexor for two weeks.  When I first started taking it, I was taking 75 mg. per day, but I had terrible side effects.  I had panic attacks, blurred vision so bad I couldn’t drive, twitching/shaking, and more. I’ve cut the dosage down to 37.5 but I’m still having some sleep disturbances and difficulty achieving orgasm.  Other than that, I’m actually feeling pretty good on it?  Does anybody have any input on this? Or had any experiences with side effects?

Been on it about 9-10 months.  Have had mostly good to say about it (but the first couple of days were tough).  The side effects have waned considerably without excessive loss of efficacy.  I still don’t sleep well though unless I take my nighly Ambien.  I don’t know if that particularly side effect will ever go away.  Given that I already had problems with insomnia… But by and large it’s been great for me.  The only times that it seems to not keep me from slipping are hormone upheaval times and I’d have to guess by your address name that this won’t be a problem for you.  (too much anyway). Take care and good luck, KCat — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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I take anti-depressants for chronic pain.  I just recently switched from Serzone to Effexor.  The Serzone was working well, but I was having trouble concentrating. I have been taking the Effexor for two weeks.  When I first started taking it, I was taking 75 mg. per day, but I had terrible side effects.  I had panic attacks, blurred vision so bad I couldn’t drive, twitching/shaking, and more.

I am currently taking Effexor myself at 150mg a day with no severe problems. It took me over two weeks to adjust to it though.  The very first day I took the medication was not very pleasant, as I recall.  I had all kinds of side effects for the first two weeks.  These side effects grew less with time. I’ve cut the dosage down to 37.5 but I’m still having some sleep disturbances and difficulty achieving orgasm.  Other than that, I’m actually feeling pretty good on it?  Does anybody have any input on this? Or had any experiences with side effects?

Effexor can cause both of the problems you describe.  In my case, my last dosage is at 4 PM so I do not have problems sleeping.  Maybe you should consult your doctor over the times you take the medication.  Effexor can cause anorgasmia and other anomalies of that kind (I know!), but except in severe cases this should not be a severe problem (in some ways it can be viewed as an advantage!). If you need more details feel free to mail me at (remove the —-)

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I have been taking the Effexor for two weeks.  When I first started taking it, I was taking 75 mg. per day, but I had terrible side effects.  

My doctor started me out at 37.5 per day for a few days, then I went up to 75. Now, I’m at 150. Of the four ADs I’ve been on, Effexor has probably been the least annoying. I’ve cut the dosage down to 37.5 but I’m still having some sleep disturbances and difficulty achieving orgasm.  

Effexor tends to be stimulating. My pdoc had me go with the last dose about 4 PM and that helped. (Actually, as long as I don’t take it immediately before going to bed.) Other than that, I’m actually feeling pretty good on it

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Hi, I’m a new poster to this list and I am hoping that someone out there can give me some advice on Effexor. I take anti-depressants for chronic pain.  I just recently switched from Serzone to Effexor.  The Serzone was working well, but I was having trouble concentrating. I have been taking the Effexor for two weeks.  When I first started taking it, I was taking 75 mg. per day, but I had terrible side effects.  I had panic attacks, blurred vision so bad I couldn’t drive, twitching/shaking, and more.   I’ve cut the dosage down to 37.5 but I’m still having some sleep disturbances and difficulty achieving orgasm.  Other than that, I’m actually feeling pretty good on it?  Does anybody have any input on this? Or had any experiences with side effects?

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