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(I asked this question a few days ago but it was buried in a longer post and I received no responses here.) I’d like to know what those of you who take both Singulair and Allegra/Claritin/Zyrtec do in terms of timing your medications – do you take them together or have you found it more effective to stagger them? I just added Singulair to my regime. Since they treat different things related to allergies, I expect it wouldn’t make much, if any, difference, but I’m curious to know if it has made a difference for anyone here.  I have HEPA filters in my home therefore fewer problems with allergies overnight than during the day, so I’m currently taking both Singulair and Allegra/180 when I get up in the morning in order to have maximum effect when I’m out of the house during the day. Thanks in advance. -S-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (I asked this question a few days ago but it was buried in a longer post and I received no responses here.) I’d like to know what those of you who take both Singulair and Allegra/Claritin/Zyrtec do in terms of timing your medications – do you take them together or have you found it more effective to stagger them? I just added Singulair to my regime. Since they treat different things related to allergies, I expect it wouldn’t make much, if any, difference, but I’m curious to know if it has made a difference for anyone here.  I have HEPA filters in my home therefore fewer problems with allergies overnight than during the day, so I’m currently taking both Singulair and Allegra/180 when I get up in the morning in order to have maximum effect when I’m out of the house during the day. Thanks in advance. -S-

A side-effect of Singulair can be weird, vivid dreams.  Because of this some people have posted saying they have started taking the Singulair in the morning.

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A study presented at the latest AAAI meeting indicated that if you were on Singulair, you no longer need Claritin. My own personal experience though was when I tried to go without Zyrtec, the sneezing fits I had under control returned. My internet buddy in Texas has also returned to using both.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (I asked this question a few days ago but it was buried in a longer post and I received no responses here.) I’d like to know what those of you who take both Singulair and Allegra/Claritin/Zyrtec do in terms of timing your medications – do you take them together or have you found it more effective to stagger them? I just added Singulair to my regime. Since they treat different things related to allergies, I expect it wouldn’t make much, if any, difference, but I’m curious to know if it has made a difference for anyone here.  I have HEPA filters in my home therefore fewer problems with allergies overnight than during the day, so I’m currently taking both Singulair and Allegra/180 when I get up in the morning in order to have maximum effect when I’m out of the house during the day. Thanks in advance. -S-

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Mabye it’s just psychosomatic (sp?), but when I take Claritin my allergy problems clear up, and I take Singulair every night.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A study presented at the latest AAAI meeting indicated that if you were on Singulair, you no longer need Claritin. My own personal experience though was when I tried to go without Zyrtec, the sneezing fits I had under control returned. My internet buddy in Texas has also returned to using both. (I asked this question a few days ago but it was buried in a longer post and I received no responses here.) I’d like to know what those of you who take both Singulair and Allegra/Claritin/Zyrtec do in terms of timing your medications – do you take them together or have you found it more effective to stagger them? I just added Singulair to my regime. Since they treat different things related to allergies, I expect it wouldn’t make much, if any, difference, but I’m curious to know if it has made a difference for anyone here.  I have HEPA filters in my home therefore fewer problems with allergies overnight than during the day, so I’m currently taking both Singulair and Allegra/180 when I get up in the morning in order to have maximum effect when I’m out of the house during the day. Thanks in advance. -S-

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hello, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to which pranayama exercises are most appropriate for asthmatics. I.ve been practicing for about two years and have recently begun to explore pranayama.  I sometimes find, however, that this can antagonize my symptoms. Fortunately, when this happens, I’ve always been able to return to "normal" breathing but it can be rather frustrating.  Thanks in advance for your help. Namaste, Kyle

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I have asthma and I never though of pranayama as something that would relieve the symptoms or the disease.  It can’t hurt, after all asthma effects exhaling and pranayama, for the most part, concentrates on exhaling. I find that doing head and shoulder stands followed by bridge and fish are great.  You get to really stretch out the lungs and get to breathe deeply…expanding lung capacity is a good thing for asthmatics. I also take medication (Severent and Pulmicort) and exercise.  Combined with yoga I’m virtually symptom free. Good luck,

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hello, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to which pranayama exercises are most appropriate for asthmatics. I.ve been practicing for about two years and have recently begun to explore pranayama.  I sometimes find, however, that this can antagonize my symptoms. Fortunately, when this happens, I’ve always been able to return to "normal" breathing but it can be rather frustrating.  Thanks in advance for your help. Namaste, Kyle

Hello Kyle, it’s a long way – be patient. Especially breathing exercises for ppl with breathing diseases. I practice Yoga + Pranayama now for 12 years and slowly start to "understand" now how to meditate on the breath in a relaxed and joyful way. I wish I "only" would have Asthma – I have only 30% lung capacity – but it is possible to heal the relationship with the breath. But it needs patience – allways and a lot of love, forgiving understanding and patience – for your-self. Don’t give up + enjoy. Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh PS: There are many different ways of pranayama, working with the breath. Maybe you’ll also try something different.

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yes – yes – yes – that is where it came from.  A manual with our human frailties listed in alphabetical order.  and things to do to facilitate healing. is this the one that says the "asthma will fly from your body like a crow from a clap of the hands"?

Yes, it is. Page 53 The exersise is 1-3 min. long we forgot to mention Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh

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dear asthma sufferer, ask your healthcare professional if it is o.k. for you to do this stand up, heels together.  hands are overhead with palms together.  lean back as far as possible and do breath of fire for 1-3 minutes.  you can lean on back of sofa to avoid falling.  but lean back as far as you can. peace

Ah, you practice Kundalini Yoga? It’s one of the KY classics for the lungs – can be found in the book "Yoga for Health and Healing" ISBN 0-940992-01-9 For additional copies of that manual write to: Alice B. Clagett P.O. Box 3142 Santa Monica, CA 90408 Phone: (310)393-8167 Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh PS: If you have problems with breath of fire you can also practice this exercise with long deep breathing.

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        I saw the first therapist again, because the first session was mostly a case history; this year’s been really incredible.  She said I pretty much had GAD and some depression, which is what I thought.  We had a CBT session on my topmost issue, which is giving up our place in town and having to move to my wife’s place out in the country.  She showed me I was catastrophizing there and had me look at alternatives.           I did see that CBT is no deep dark mystery; it’s what I used to call "brainstorming":  toss out alternatives with someone else and try a few.           I think I could work with her.  I’ll admit, I couldn’t have heard from someone at the public clinic about the moving issue, since I was afraid they wouldn’t be sympathetic; many of their clients are one step from being out on the street!  So now I feel better about the public clinic.  I also know that I have an alternative.  Since I’m getting my meds   (Effexor XR, 150 mg; Depakote 1000 mg) at the clinic, it would be better to have them coordinate.  I’ll give it all more thought.   Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Dennis, Sounds like the therapy appointment went well.  Please keep us updated on how it is going… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I saw the first therapist again, because the first session was mostly a case history; this year’s been really incredible.  She said I pretty much had GAD and some depression, which is what I thought.  We had a CBT session on my topmost issue, which is giving up our place in town and having to move to my wife’s place out in the country.  She showed me I was catastrophizing there and had me look at alternatives.     I did see that CBT is no deep dark mystery; it’s what I used to call "brainstorming":  toss out alternatives with someone else and try a few.     I think I could work with her.  I’ll admit, I couldn’t have heard from someone at the public clinic about the moving issue, since I was afraid they wouldn’t be sympathetic; many of their clients are one step from being out on the street!  So now I feel better about the public clinic.  I also know that I have an alternative.  Since I’m getting my meds (Effexor XR, 150 mg; Depakote 1000 mg) at the clinic, it would be better to have them coordinate.  I’ll give it all more thought. Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Has anyone heard of Zoloft withdrawal lasting longer than a couple of weeks? I was taking 200 to 250 mg Zoloft daily (increased during PMS) and then switched to Celexa. I was frustrated with neither of them helping my depression, so I unwisely abruptly discontinued the medication. My withdrawal symptoms ranged from moderate to severe…initially, I experienced extreme agitation, anxiety, crying, uncharacteristic rage, and formication (sensation that bugs were crawling on me). With the help of my doctor, I restarted a low dose of Celexa (I had been on 20 mg prior to this) and tapered off–but still quicker than I should have because I’m stubborn. The main problems that persisted for a couple of weeks were numbness and tingling in my arms and legs, and then spontaneous pain or muscle spasms in my legs. (Pretty darn painful). That and gastro-intestinal distress. My doctor felt that most of this was actually withdrawal from the Zoloft, not Celexa. She felt that the Celexa had prevented me from going into Zoloft withdrawal, but when I discontinued Celexa, the Zoloft withdrawal kicked in. From what I’ve read about other people’s experiences with Zoloft withdrawal, my symptoms do appear to match theirs. I had been taking Zoloft (at different doses) for about 4 years. I tried other medications during that time, but I was unable to tolerate most of them. I am very sensitive to medications and tend to have side effects with just about everything I take, usually to the point where I don’t want to take anything. Back to the symptoms–after 2-1/2 weeks, these symptoms diminished. 3-1/2 weeks after the initial discontinuation, however, I had a flare-up of gastro-intenstinal distress that lasted a day or two. Then, 4-1/2 weeks after the initial discontinuation (maybe 2 weeks since stopping the mild tapering-off) I experienced the leg pain, numbness, tingling along with severe stomach cramps and such. I did not expect to still be experiencing withdrawal symptoms, so I’m confused. Am I imagining things? Is this something else? Thank you for any help you can provide.

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Thanks (((((Everyone))))) For such a warm welcome (back) lol. I’m feeling so good this evening! Yay. Kirsten

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790

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:I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like :I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with :any. I’ll just try and post more often Dear Kirsten, Welcome back!~  Don`t worry about not posting, people are allowed to come and go as freely as they want, there are no rules here Sorry about your breakup with Brad {{{{{Kirsten}}}}} Jackie ~*~My life has been a tapestry of rich and royal hue, an everlasting vision of the everchanging view~*~ ~Carole King~

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Hi Kirsten! Good to see you here.  Please don’t apologize.  This is only reserved for me.  <g  Just kidding.  I’m sorry about you and Brad, but glad to see you’re still friends.  I hope Effexor helps with the depression. Love, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790

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Good to see you again, Kirsten. Effexor is a good med for depression. Chip

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790

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Hi Kirsten, You don’t need any excuses for not posting.  Real life is more important for us all.  Glad to have you back! Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790

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Hi, Kirsten, Yes, I remember you.  Glad to know you are doing fairly well.  Sorry to hear about you and Brad but if you are able to remain friends, that’s terrific. Hope the Effexor helps you.  Zoloft really lifted a lot of my depression. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790

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Hi Everyone, It’s been a long long time since I’ve been here. Some of you might remeber me. My name is Kirsten (Kadie). I wont give any excuses cause there are none. I just haven’t bothered posting. I wish now that I had because you guys where allways so great to me. I’m doing alright, been better, been worse. I’m still busy with school. I am so behind but trying to keep up. Brad and I split up about a week ago for good and we are friends now. I think I like it better. I still love him and he still loves me but we have to much on our own to deal with and don’t need a realtionship too. I’m doing pretty good with my panic attacks. I’m having them every once in a while like i had one the other night but I’m getting better at controling them. I’m no longer on Celexa. I was on Celexa and Wellbutrin and Dr.C took me off of Wellbutrin because it stopped working and then off od Celexa to and I am now on Effexor. I’m up to 75mg’s daily now and I’m not doing to bad considering I guess. I’m having a bad time with my depression still though and have some other issues (realated to the depression) to deal with. but I think I’m getting there. I’m hoping everyone is doing good? I’m sorry I haven’t been posting and like I said there is no excuses so I’m not going to bother trying to come up with any. I’ll just try and post more often — Kirsten http://violent-minds.org ICQ: 48606790

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Modern SSRI antidepressants are good at preventing both depression and ejaculation…..     It’s a well known but little discussed side effect of drugs like prozac, zoloft, effexor, citalopram….. Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem? Thanks R

– Some of my colleagues think that the chemicals we are experimenting with could potentially cause brain damage, however I think that fish crunchy bits of salami my new red hippie noodle. Naked pool frogs?

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem? Thanks R

It is possible to abuse sex. It can be very effective as a means of reducing anxiety. It is an addiction much as drinking exsessive amounts of alcohol. Doubt if it’s biochemical any more then an alcoholic that feels depressed when drinking. Contact a therapist that knows anything about sexual issues. And a lot of them don’t know so don’t settle for the first you find. They might also tell you if there is a possibillity that it is a biochemical reaction. J.

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem? Thanks R

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I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem I’ve had since I was a teenager.  Everytime I ejaculate, I get a feeling of depression x approximately 2-3 days.    It has nothing to do with anything psychologically but I feel is biochemical.   Does anyone know of a solution or can direct me to a solution for this problem?

Stop ejaculating and get some good therapy?? Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man  *and*  The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.

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I could drink coffee with no problem on Paxil and Zoloft. So far I have been able to resume since I’ve been on Effexor. I’m afraid it will lead to anxiety.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –        Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof

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Dute de dute..de dute ..de de…(repeat 10 times and go to next poster) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Caffeine blocks absorption of most meds.. You might as well not take them if you’re going to drink coffee with them. -Rob        Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof

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I drink instant, five talbespoons per cup with a half pint of cream. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I drink about a gallon of strong, black coffee a day. Rarely drink it after 12 noon, when I switch to iced tea. jen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Further, and unrelated to what I’m direclty replying to, here are some excerpts from Topic 6.3 in "The Owner’s Manual for the Brain" by Pierce J. Howard with additional information about caffeine: "Caffeine belongs to a class of compounds called methylxanthines, along with theophylline and theobromine, all of which have the ability to trick the brain into thinking they are the neurotransmitter adenosine.  Adenosine is a relaxant that is required to restore the central nervous system from sympathetic to parasympathetic arousal, or from stress to relaxation.  By finding adenosine receptor sites, caffeine blocks the relaxig effects of adenosine and maintains high arousal." "Caffene’s arousing properties were found to be associated not only with mental alertness, but also with physical endurance". "It inhibits phosphodiesterase (PDE).  PDE is an enzyme that breaks down adenosine, so inhibiting PDE makes more adenosine available.  This results in psychmotor stimulation, increased alertness, faster heart rate, and faster breathing.  Excessive arousal appears to result in errors of commission (for example, typographical errors), whereas deficient arousal appears to result in errors of omission (for example, skipping a paragraph while typing)." "If the less impulsive person consumes caffeinated beverages upon waking, he or she will tend to perform poorly on complex mental tasks.  If the more impulsive person tries a complex mental task upon waking before consuming a caffeinated beverage, he or she will tend to perform poorly.  Toward the end of the day, this pattern switches:  in the evening, less impulsive people perform complex mental tasks better with a hit of caffeine,; more impulsive people perform complex tasks better without it." "Some of these compounds [in caffeine] are antioxidants, the chmicals that disarm (or bind) free radicals and inhibit their insatiable appetite for vital cell membranes." "Ten grams is a lethal dose, while for small children 35 milligrams per kilogram of body weight is toxic." "Consumption of 400 to 500 milligrams of caffeine per day is associated wtih dependence.  Symptoms of caffeine dependence are diarrhea, nausea, light-headedness, irregular heartbeat, irritability, and insomnia." "The arousal effects of one cup of caffeinated coffee last about 6 hours but vary according to the individual." "Women who drink coffee are less likely to commit suicide than those who don’t according to a report in the Archives of internal Medicine." "Coffee has a dark side: the DSM-IV includes four caffeeine-related diagnoses: caffeine intoxication, caffeine-related anxiety disorder, caffeine-related sleep disorder, and (in the appendix) caffeine withdrawl. In addition to these problems, caffeine, a stimulant, can wreak havok with calming prescription drugs such as antidepressants, antianxiety medications, and neuroleptic tranquilizers." "Higher caffeine consumption was found to be correlated with lower academic perfrormance." "Check out the newsgroup alt.drugs.caffeine on the Internet for furth information and discussion.  A FAQ (frequently asked questions) file is available.  It is maintained by Alex Lopex-Ortiz at the University of [all this from pages 111-115 of the book] On that note, with the last quote.. I’d suggest any caffeine discussions be taken there, and you look for similar symptoms within that group. -Rob

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etched permanently in the ether: BUT  I understand that the amount of caffeine in chocolate is not high, and it may not be in "chocolate flavoring" at all.

From my phsych pharm class–a long time ago: It takes 5 to 10 cups of coffee per day to become addicted to the caffeine.  It takes a LOT less of Mountain Dew or other similar drinks. It takes a pound of chocolate a day to get enough caffeine to risk addiction. HOWEVER, chocolate also contains theobromine a stronger stimulant than caffeine–so be aware of this fact. Nancy

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Caffeine blocks absorption of most meds.. You might as well not take them if you’re going to drink coffee with them. -Rob

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I think the zoloft made you manic.. it’s a mood-"upper".. -Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sometimes  noticed coffee  making me a bit manic for an hour or two. That happened when I had started Zoloft (sertraline). Hasa        Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof

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I drink about a gallon of strong, black coffee a day. Rarely drink it after 12 noon, when I switch to iced tea. jen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Interestingly enough, I was completely caffiene-free for five years preceding and throughout my first manic episode. For that matter, I was a complete health nut…. had given up smoking for 7 years, ran 3-5 miles daily, lifted weights, drank no caffienated beverages, and ate a vegetarian diet of whole grains. It really perplexed my G.P….. he kept offering the standard insomnia advice to "eat well, exercise early in the day, stay away from caffiene" yet still I could not sleep. These days, I am smoking a pack a day again, eating meat, don’t ever exercise, and drink gallons of coffee. Go figure. jen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Rob, who told you that? Where did that information come from? Please explain that and where you got that from. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively. Beware of steroids!! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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       Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof

I found coffee made me too jittery and irritable when I was taking Wellbutrin.  On the other hand, it helped modify the fatigue caused by my SSRI, Luvox

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I love my strong stuff in the morning — two cups.  Then probably 2 cups of the kaka they have at work.  After that, my insides can’t take anymore and I have to switch to water….. But I love the stuff! — Eileen [The world will go as it wills; not as you or I would have it.  MZB]

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –        Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof

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I don’t drink coffee..but I do LOVE caffeine! That’s why, for those morning’s I wake up achy and grogy with a "dull" headache..I grab Anacin, as besides ASA, it also has caffiene in it. It’s been a lifesaver sometimes, especially after a "night out". Plus, I find often on medications, you don’t get that "complete..refreshed" sleep. Even with just a few hours sleep..it has held me for at least the morning! James:-) — "Dying is only one thing to be sad over. Living unhappily is something else." Morrie Schwartz "We must love one another or perish. Not physically,but spiritually and socially." W.H. Auden "Some day we will wave hello…and wish we’d never waved goodbye…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love my strong stuff in the morning — two cups.  Then probably 2 cups of the kaka they have at work.  After that, my insides can’t take anymore and I have to switch to water….. But I love the stuff! — Eileen [The world will go as it wills; not as you or I would have it.  MZB]        Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof

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Robbie,   P.J. Howard is old hat,  such a bore. please.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Further, and unrelated to what I’m direclty replying to, here are some excerpts from Topic 6.3 in "The Owner’s Manual for the Brain" by Pierce J. Howard with additional information about caffeine: "Caffeine belongs to a class of compounds called methylxanthines, along with theophylline and theobromine, all of which have the ability to trick the brain into thinking they are the neurotransmitter adenosine.  Adenosine is a relaxant that is required to restore the central nervous system from sympathetic to parasympathetic arousal, or from stress to relaxation.  By finding adenosine receptor sites, caffeine blocks the relaxig effects of adenosine and maintains high arousal." "Caffene’s arousing properties were found to be associated not only with mental alertness, but also with physical endurance". "It inhibits phosphodiesterase (PDE).  PDE is an enzyme that breaks down adenosine, so inhibiting PDE makes more adenosine available.  This results in psychmotor stimulation, increased alertness, faster heart rate, and faster breathing.  Excessive arousal appears to result in errors of commission (for example, typographical errors), whereas deficient arousal appears to result in errors of omission (for example, skipping a paragraph while typing)." "If the less impulsive person consumes caffeinated beverages upon waking, he or she will tend to perform poorly on complex mental tasks.  If the more impulsive person tries a complex mental task upon waking before consuming a caffeinated beverage, he or she will tend to perform poorly.  Toward the end of the day, this pattern switches:  in the evening, less impulsive people perform complex mental tasks better with a hit of caffeine,; more impulsive people perform complex tasks better without it." "Some of these compounds [in caffeine] are antioxidants, the chmicals that disarm (or bind) free radicals and inhibit their insatiable appetite for vital cell membranes." "Ten grams is a lethal dose, while for small children 35 milligrams per kilogram of body weight is toxic." "Consumption of 400 to 500 milligrams of caffeine per day is associated wtih dependence.  Symptoms of caffeine dependence are diarrhea, nausea, light-headedness, irregular heartbeat, irritability, and insomnia." "The arousal effects of one cup of caffeinated coffee last about 6 hours but vary according to the individual." "Women who drink coffee are less likely to commit suicide than those who don’t according to a report in the Archives of internal Medicine." "Coffee has a dark side: the DSM-IV includes four caffeeine-related diagnoses: caffeine intoxication, caffeine-related anxiety disorder, caffeine-related sleep disorder, and (in the appendix) caffeine withdrawl. In addition to these problems, caffeine, a stimulant, can wreak havok with calming prescription drugs such as antidepressants, antianxiety medications, and neuroleptic tranquilizers." "Higher caffeine consumption was found to be correlated with lower academic perfrormance." "Check out the newsgroup alt.drugs.caffeine on the Internet for furth information and discussion.  A FAQ (frequently asked questions) file is available.  It is maintained by Alex Lopex-Ortiz at the University of [all this from pages 111-115 of the book] On that note, with the last quote.. I’d suggest any caffeine discussions be taken there, and you look for similar symptoms within that group. -Rob

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It takes a pound of chocolate a day to get enough caffeine to risk addiction.

 - so that’s the amount I need to eat – sheesh I’ve been playing in the shallows – (really NOT SERIOUS!) HOWEVER, chocolate also contains theobromine a stronger stimulant than caffeine–so be aware of this fact.

   - an added bonus – er now how many stairs will I need to climb to work off the excess cals?  (if anything would make me appear manic I suspect that would). — Anne Marshall          

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: I am down to one cup a day. I love it. <snipped I don’t know what the connection is between bipolar and caffeine, but somewhere along the line there was an extreme change in my sensitivity to caffeine. Could it be a medication invoked reaction? Coffee I limit to one weak cup with breakfast sometimes, Get more from cola’s, two colas will make me sicker than a dog, wired for a few hours. Vern

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      Does anybody have any trouble with mixing certain drugs with coffee? Do you even allow yourself to drink it anymore? — Geof

I have ONE cup in the morning.  Anything that would trigger a mania is amplified with coffee or any caffeine product. And watch the vitamin b-12–see my post–if you like that kind of a boost–b-12 will do it. <g Nancy

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SO THATS WHAT WAS WRONG ALL THESE YEARS,,,MIXING ALL THOSE COFFEES WITH MY ZOLOFT! cimpson2

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please stop typing in caps it is considered rude and yelling – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SO THATS WHAT WAS WRONG ALL THESE YEARS,,,MIXING ALL THOSE COFFEES WITH MY ZOLOFT! cimpson2

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I guess I’d say that my mixing could include coffee, neurontin, lamictal, buspar and klonipin-I drink them down with coffee every morning. -Thumper

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1. Is there an easy way to discontinue Paxil? the withdrawal symptoms are horrible! 2. What is the safest anti-depressant in terms of not causing weight gain?? (I suffered a lot with Effexor and Paxil, think about something else!) Thanks! S. "Some measure their lives by days and years,       Others by heart throbs, passion and tears;  But the surest measure under the sun,       Is what in your lifetime for others you have done."

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1. Is there an easy way to discontinue Paxil? the withdrawal symptoms are horrible! 2. What is the safest anti-depressant in terms of not causing weight gain?? (I suffered a lot with Effexor and Paxil, think about something else!) Thanks! S.

I have come to the conclusion that everyone responds differently to these meds and it’s hard to base what will work for you on something that worked for someone else. I gained weight on paxil, about 20lbs in three months. I stopped the paxil and immediately started prozac.  After about seven months and a little more weight gain, I stopped the prozac because it wasn’t working well enough.  Then I went to zoloft, which also caused a little weight gain, and was not very effective.  Getting off zoloft was awful for me, I had to continue taking it while I started wellbutrine.  This combo was fairly effective, but really made me tired, too tired to exercise. Then I went on effexor, which worked so well for me.  I wasn’t tired, I didn’t gain weight, it worked fast and for over a year.  I just recently had a major crash, and my doctor added celexa and upped the effexor to 375mg.  The celexa stopped the suicidal ideation within three days.  That was great, I don’t know how it will work in the long run, but so far I’m not hungry or extremely tired.  Of course I wasn’t hungry before the celexa so I don’t know if this is still of symptom of the depression or an effect of the med. Good Luck, Kait * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Is there an easy way to discontinue Paxil? the withdrawal symptoms are horrible! 2. What is the safest anti-depressant in terms of not causing weight gain?? (I suffered a lot with Effexor and Paxil, think about something else!) Thanks! S. I have come to the conclusion that everyone responds differently to these meds and it’s hard to base what will work for you on something that worked for someone else. I gained weight on paxil, about 20lbs in three months. I stopped the paxil and immediately started prozac.  After about seven months and a little more weight gain, I stopped the prozac because it wasn’t working well enough.  Then I went to zoloft, which also caused a little weight gain, and was not very effective.  Getting off zoloft was awful for me, I had to continue taking it while I started wellbutrine.  This combo was fairly effective, but really made me tired, too tired to exercise. Then I went on effexor, which worked so well for me.  I wasn’t tired, I didn’t gain weight, it worked fast and for over a year.  I just recently had a major crash, and my doctor added celexa and upped the effexor to 375mg.  The celexa stopped the suicidal ideation within three days.  That was great, I don’t know how it will work in the long run, but so far I’m not hungry or extremely tired.  Of course I wasn’t hungry before the celexa so I don’t know if this is still of symptom of the depression or an effect of the med. Good Luck, Kait

Would you happen to know what Effexor is called in the UK? Brian

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1. Is there an easy way to discontinue Paxil? the withdrawal symptoms are horrible!

Twice almost cold turkey, back on 20 mg again. Couldn’t stand the withdrawal. Third time, chahnged it to Prozac (also 20 mg), and went down with the dose very gradually. Not biting the capsules in half, but simply forgetting about taking it. Once every day, then every other day, now I take it only when the time is rough. Don’t know if it can help you, but this is like, my only experience….. DG

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Would you happen to know what Effexor is called in the UK?

Yes. (Tempting, but I suppose I could answer the question you didn’t ask as well, and say it’s venlafaxine, brand-named Efexor (Yes, only one ‘f’ over here, presumably there’s a effin shortage.).) —          The opinions given above may be mine. They might also            just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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2. What is the safest anti-depressant in terms of not causing weight gain?? (I suffered a lot with Effexor and Paxil, think about something else!)

I, too, think that everyone responds very differently. The only med I’ve taken that caused me to gain weight was Celexa, and even then it was minimal. I’ve been on Zoloft, Effexor, Prozac, Serzone, you name it — currently taking a combination that includes Wellbutrin and Luvox. I’ve lost more weight than I’ve gained, actually. … Ask your doc about this, though, b/c I know that some meds are not associated w/weight gain. There’s no reason you should have to suffer from something *else*. Hope you feel better.

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Hi all. I was wondering if Wellbutrin is effective. I am taking it cause I have mild depression. What exactly does it do? Any answers can be appreciated. Thanks. Keith

I’ve been on it about 6 weeks, and I think the lack of crashes indicates that it is working.  I’m not happy-happy, but I’m not down too deep to see daylight, either. No intolerable negative side-effects so far…which is a rare thing for me with meds. And I better go pick up that refill (damn the expense) before that changes, I guess… The NyteBard (mail sent to the header address may or may not bounce)

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i’ve been taking wellbutrin for 5 weeks. i still smoke.    i still drink.  i’m still depressed. no good effects.   no bad effects. maybe it’s sitill too soon. mary, sorry i couldn’t help more…. "by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes…"

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Watch for mild rashes with Wellbutrin…..and some measure of temper tantrums….try to work on keeping these in check <thru modifying behavior…..The fog will probably start lifting for you after a few weeks…..drinking and smoking will both lose their fun-value with Wellbutrin… You will probably have some insomnia…..benadryl will help to counteract this effect, tho’…. disclaimer: **I am not a doctor….just a Wellbutrin taker… Rice

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Hi all. I was wondering if Wellbutrin is effective. I am taking it cause I have mild depression. What exactly does it do? Any answers can be appreciated. Thanks. Keith

Gave me a NASTY rash!!!  Watch for skin changes! — Our lives begin to end the day we are silent about things that matter.                                 Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Hi all. I was wondering if Wellbutrin is effective. I am taking it cause I have mild depression. What exactly does it do? Any answers can be appreciated. Thanks. Keith

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..has halved my depression….having some trouble with insomnia, tho’….but some of its ‘other’ <;- side-effects are "bearable"…. Rice

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

I’ve been taking wellbutrin for a while. I actually have days now that I am NOT depressed.  This is new to me.  I actually have energy to take the walk I’ve been meaning to take for over a month.  Wellbutrin is definitly worth a try. Oh yeah,  I’m smoking less too, without trying.                            Shari Lee "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" – Nietzsche

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Very much!  It took a little longer to "kick in" than what I expected and there were some minor side effects, but they went away in two or three weeks and the beneficial effects could be felt in about six weeks.  One other cool thing about it is that Wellbutrin is the same thing as the quit smoking pills that are available so I quit smoking rather painlessly as well!  Be patient and you’ll love it!  Good Luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help I had some side effects at first and had a tough time waiting for it to kick in. Now that it has, I LOVE it. Nothing has ever worked so well for me before and I haven’t felt this good in years.

Must be nice.

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It’s been miraculous for me. Dan — Deus Ex Machina

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

I had some side effects at first and had a tough time waiting for it to kick in. Now that it has, I LOVE it. Nothing has ever worked so well for me before and I haven’t felt this good in years.

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

Yes and yes. No side effects either (except some mild ones in the first couple weeks)

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I took that once; it gave me the biggest panic attack in my life; my anxiety was so high I couldn’t breathe. Jill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it helped me more than anything else i’ve tried. one thing i like about it is that it gives me more energy than i have without it. -lisa I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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it helped me more than anything else i’ve tried. one thing i like about it is that it gives me more energy than i have without it. -lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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Has it ever occurred to you that this might be the cause you need professional help? Does your doctor know you are so stupid to ingest that brain corrosion? I don’t know, but if you change one entire life of health for some euphoric moments at your local antro, I do not thing you have even the right to complain or ask anyone to fix you afterwords. ummm…are you *sure* you’re not a troll, teilhard?

I have been under a bit of stress lately, Sarah. That is not an excuse, I know, but one of the things that makes me mad is the lack of care some people give to their brains, the most precious gift we have. Anyway, here I go again: I APOLOGISE Better? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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ok so my doctor put me on Wellbutrin and I have been on it a few days. at first when i took it i would a little lighted for afew minutes and then it would go away real quick and would only happen right after i took a pill. that side effect has stopped and now all i get is the numb tongue, again right after i take a pill and just for a few minutes. it has also seemed to help me sexually but I wont go into that (grin)… any way i have 2 questions and I know the answer is that I shouldnt, but we all know that in reality shouldnt doesnt always work, oh and then i have a 3rd question too… -whats the thoghts about doing ectasy (the dance drug) on wellbutrin

wellbutrin is probably one of the worst ADs to try it with because it lowers your seizure threshold. -is it ok to have one drink once in a while?

my doc said occasional drinking would be okay.  be sure and check your reaction to alcohol when you don’t have to drive.  the meds can increase the alcohol’s effect two-fold. -i am feelign side effects but when i do *I* feel BETTER?

i’ve taken wellbutrin for the past 2 years.  the side effects generally go away after 4-6 weeks.  it took about 12 weeks before i felt better. hope this helps. — Wohali "Those who are enjoying something, or suffering something together, are companions." –C.S. Lewis

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Has it ever occurred to you that this might be the cause you need professional help? Does your doctor know you are so stupid to ingest that brain corrosion? I don’t know, but if you change one entire life of health for some euphoric moments at your local antro, I do not thing you have even the right to complain or ask anyone to fix you afterwords.

ummm…are you *sure* you’re not a troll, teilhard? sarah. — but my faith in love is still devout

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  -whats the thoghts about doing ectasy (the dance drug) Has it ever occurred to you that this might be the cause you need professional help? Does your doctor know you are so stupid to ingest that brain corrosion? I don’t know, but if you change one entire life of health for some euphoric moments at your local antro, I do not thing you have even the right to complain or ask anyone to fix you afterwords. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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As far as alchohol, I was on Wellbutrin for a while and drank with no problems, That’s not saying "you" won’t, as far ecstacy I would’nt even think of mixing the two. ecstacy is a generic name and there a no two pills that are exactly the same. You might take it one day and everthing is fine and the next day you take one from another source and BINGO! an additive in the drug you just took is deadly when mixed with Wellbutrin. Just my point of view. Man in a Shed

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ok so my doctor put me on Wellbutrin and I have been on it a few days. at first when i took it i would a little lighted for afew minutes and then it would go away real quick and would only happen right after i took a pill. that side effect has stopped and now all i get is the numb tongue, again right after i take a pill and just for a few minutes. it has also seemed to help me sexually but I wont go into that (grin)… any way i have 2 questions and I know the answer is that I shouldnt, but we all know that in reality shouldnt doesnt always work, oh and then i have a 3rd question too… -whats the thoghts about doing ectasy (the dance drug) on wellbutrin -is it ok to have one drink once in a while? -i am feelign side effects but when i do *I* feel BETTER?

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yes….I have been quicker to anger…on Wellbutrin…..& alot more snippy with everyone…but my deep, gallows depression is now lighter & more manageable…..look out for mild rashes, tho’……buy some Lanacane ™ or Benadryl cream(tm)….to soothe yourself…. Rice

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Hi all. I am currently taking 150 mg of Wellbutrin for my depression. Question: Did anyone that took it experience drastic changes in mood? This happens to me all the time for some reason. One day I will be happy, the next day I am so down it’s pathetic. Does this type of medication do this to a person? I neverread any sort of side effects like that. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. Thank you. Keith

Hi Keith, I’m on wellbutrin but I’ve always had mood swings. It’s been a long time since I felt "happiness". But I have started experiencing anger, which is completely out of character for me.  I seem to be expressing emotions greater than before.   That may make no sense at all but it’s just my experience so far. — Eeyore Moo

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Hi all. I am currently taking 150 mg of Wellbutrin for my depression. Question: Did anyone that took it experience drastic changes in mood? This happens to me all the time for some reason. One day I will be happy, the next day I am so down it’s pathetic. Does this type of medication do this to a person? I neverread any sort of side effects like that. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. Thank you. Keith

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SchuylerXX, Did you have blood tests that showed the need for the thyroid medication?  Maybe the thyroid problem is a seperate issue from the treatment with Wellbutrin.  Or maybe the wellbutrin effected your thyroid.  It should show up on the correct set of thyroid blood tests. Medication is a very individual affair for sure. CarolR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son’s wife would like to know if any of you have information from your personal experiences about the long-term affects of Wellbutrin. I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems). Feel free to e-mail me about this. Good luck! Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"              — Emily Dickinson

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My son’s wife would like to know if any of you have information from your personal experiences about the long-term affects of Wellbutrin.

I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems). Feel free to e-mail me about this. Good luck! Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"              — Emily Dickinson

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My son’s wife would like to know if any of you have information from your personal experiences about the long-term affects of Wellbutrin. She’s tried lots of meds and is hoping this one works.  Unfortunately she is not online so I’ve been checking out this newsgroup in the hopes of offering her some suggestions.  Thanks for your help!  Alyce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SchuylerXX, Did you have blood tests that showed the need for the thyroid medication?  Maybe the thyroid problem is a seperate issue from the treatment with Wellbutrin.  Or maybe the wellbutrin effected your thyroid.  It should show up on the correct set of thyroid blood tests. I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems).

Dear Carol, My thyroid was normal before and after I started taking Wellbutrin. I take Cytomel only to augment the Wellbutrin. Thanks for asking. P.S. I know, I know: I’m supposed to have left! But I’ll look in *occasionally*.                            ;-) Sincerely, Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"              — Emily Dickinson

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 My P-doc started me on 25mcg. with my 300mg. of Wellbutrin. I haven’t been suicidal since.  When it kicked in I felt like I did years ago. Connie SchuylerXX wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SchuylerXX, Did you have blood tests that showed the need for the thyroid medication?  Maybe the thyroid problem is a seperate issue from the treatment with Wellbutrin.  Or maybe the wellbutrin effected your thyroid.  It should show up on the correct set of thyroid blood tests. I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems). Dear Carol, My thyroid was normal before and after I started taking Wellbutrin. I take Cytomel only to augment the Wellbutrin. Thanks for asking. P.S. I know, I know: I’m supposed to have left! But I’ll look in *occasionally*.                           Sincerely, Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"             — Emily Dickinson

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[posted and emailed] i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

with those symptoms, call the pdoc immediately and discontinue it  - you’re like me when i was taking it…… "Dark Prism" – My personality refracts darkly through the serotonigenic spectrum. "There is no dark side of the moon.  As a matter of fact, it’s all dark." Thomas A. Ott — ottthoma (at) pipeline.com – [3 t's in ottthoma!!!] http://www.geocities.com/~ottthoma — main site http://www.geocities.com/~ottthoma/depression/index.html—– depression site http://www.geocities.com/~ottthoma/depression/sjw.html —— st. john’s wort stuff

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Need more info? -300 mg/day of the slow release stuff gives me severe stomache aches once or twice a week. -sometimes it makes me anxious -and other times does nothing for me i.e. (spent all of last night slashing my wrist) — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite = and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

Everything I’ve heard says few people have side effects and most of them are very minor. I, on the other hand, hallucinated, could not sleep, had the shakes so bad I could barely hold a glass, etc….. YMMV — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc. You can chew them up and swish around in your mouth.  Swallow. Now your whole mouth and throat will be numb.  Pretty neat huh?  Other than the recreational distraction this phenomenon offered, I got nothing out of Wellbutrin.  I had to take a few milligrams of Xanax with them just to keep from going CRRAAZZYYYY.  Whoops…too late.  Shit. I’ve been on Wellbutrin for a month now and have found myself with a few

side effects.  I have found myslef more aggressive, I’m usually a quiet, shy person. Have extreme trouble sleeping, only getting two or three hours a night and no naps during the day.  It has given me energy, to much at times.  Made me feel real great the first week or two but now the good effects aren’t as strong. My Doc says if I can’t start getting some sleep he will give me some sleeping pills, just what I need another pill. Madmax, "Life’s a bitch then you Die"

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I’ve tried Zoloft, Prozac, Effexor, and am now upping my Wellbutin dosage while easing off with the Effexor.  I’m also on lithobid to boost the antidepressant effect and Buspar to cut anxiety.  When I first increased the Wellbutrin dosage it gave me some good effects, but I had bad mood swings pretty soon after. I’ve been fooling around with meds for four years with one break of a few months and still haven’t found a combination that truly works. Wellbutrin hasn’t given me many bad side effects…..  Upping the Effexor made me gain weight so fast I got stretch marks.  I also had dry mouth, constipation, spacy or tired feelings, occasional dizziness, and an increased heart rate.  I don’t have any of that with Wellbutrin.  At first I had some nausea especially when my blood sugar got low, but that’s worn off.  Never tried the crunching and swishing technique:  I think I can skip a numb mouth, and anyway my pills are big ones.                                          Another pill popper,    KaraG

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc. You can chew them up and swish around in your mouth.  Swallow. Now your whole mouth and throat will be numb.  Pretty neat huh?  Other than the recreational distraction this phenomenon offered, I got nothing out of Wellbutrin.  I had to take a few milligrams of Xanax with them just to keep from going CRRAAZZYYYY.  Whoops…too late.  Shit.

Taken in prescribed dosage did absolutely nothing for me.  Taking 80 in a period of 2 hours made me sick and I was quite pissed when I woke up alive. Hexe

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Funny you should mention . . . . Wellbutrin .  Not good for me – all I did was cry and cry ALL day.  Alot of pain in my ears – was greatly relieved to go off – switched back to Zoloft, which has a few side effects I don’t like, but I can stay alive with.

Coming off Zoloft made me cry all day WITHOUT taking wellbutrin.  Are you sure it was WB and not Zoloft comedown.  When I come off SSRIs I get all teary and sappy.  I know it’s different than returning depression, because when depressed I couldn’t cry to save my life. "Time never started at all.  Chaos never died.    The Empire was never founded.  We are not  now & never have been slaves to the past or  hostages to the future,"                           Hakim Bey

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

You can chew them up and swish around in your mouth.  Swallow. Now your whole mouth and throat will be numb.  Pretty neat huh?  Other than the recreational distraction this phenomenon offered, I got nothing out of Wellbutrin.  I had to take a few milligrams of Xanax with them just to keep from going CRRAAZZYYYY.  Whoops…too late.  Shit. "Time never started at all.  Chaos never died.    The Empire was never founded.  We are not  now & never have been slaves to the past or  hostages to the future,"                           Hakim Bey

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Hi:  I’m interested in getting some information from others on their experiences with different medications.  I was diagnosed in August and prescribed Zoloft – 50 mg daily.  Three weeks ago I saw my doctor and told her that I wanted to change medication, as the Zoloft was just not doing anything.  She switched me to Prozak 20mg daily.  I feel worse now than on the Zoloft.  No real side effects – just blank.  I’d love to have a positive feeling about something, anything; just a positive feeling of any kind.  I’ve found that on the Prozak I tend to have occasional feelings of deep sadness, for no reason – like after I go to the grocery store.  I don’t remember having those on Zoloft.  Anybody have any experiences to share?  How many of you have been switched around on medications, before anything worked for you? Thanks for your input. Susan

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

Funny you should mention . . . . Wellbutrin .  Not good for me – all I did was cry and cry ALL day.  Alot of pain in my ears – was greatly relieved to go off – switched back to Zoloft, which has a few side effects I don’t like, but I can stay alive with.

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i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

same here….and within a few days i always woke up nauseated but eating usually (but not always) helped…. interesting tho…i ate a lot….but i never gained any weight…. caer <who is off wellbutrin now and really depressed and god help you if you are a phoenix and you dare rise up from the ash a thousand eyes will smolder with jealousy while you are just flying back                                    -ani difranco

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

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Do you think you are still experiencing depression and/or anxiety. I’m not a doctor and agree you should report these symptoms to your MD. I’m aware that emotions like stress and anxiety often manifest themselves as physical symptoms such as the ones you describe. I’ve been taking wellbutrin for some time now. Currently I’m 6 weeks or so into stopping tranquilizers which I’d been prescribed for 14 years. Because of this it’s difficult to know what exactly, and in what proportion, to attribute my moods, however, despite the wellbutrin I still feel depressed and anxious. I’m quite sure the wellbutrin is keeping me from the devastating levels of depression which we’re all to familiar with. I know I’m running on but just wanted to share my experiences with you. Keep up the fight! CG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you. You’re supposed to report chest pains to the prescribing physician. Right away, no delay.

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it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you.

You’re supposed to report chest pains to the prescribing physician. Right away, no delay.

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No chest pains for me, but I definitely have the mood swings. More correctly, I have occasional, *intense* emotions at each end of the spectrum. I can be REALLY motivated, or I can be a presure-cooker ready to explode. Stil, W’s been the best AD for me so far. I tried Zoloft (did nothing for me) and Paxil (worked for me for only two weeks before ‘pooping out’ on me. I’m also on Buspar for anxiety. Hope that helps. Owl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all. I am currently taking 350 mg of Wellbutrin. One pill in the morning, one pill at night. What does everyone think about this drug? I have been taking it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you. Keith

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Hi all. I am currently taking 350 mg of Wellbutrin. One pill in the morning, one pill at night. What does everyone think about this drug? I have been taking it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you. Keith

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Hi, there, I’ve taken Wellbutrin and it worked for a while but (like w/every other med) I had to keep increasing dose. Going higher than 450mg/day is NOT allowed. Also, be careful re: the 6-8 space between doses.  Any shorter time lapse can be harmful (possibly seizures could occur). Talk to your Dr. about this not working at this dose and I wish you good health. Cece CelestialSurvivor "There are no problems,  they are only  solutions that haven’t been found yet"  :me "Somedays you get the elevator,  somedays you get the shaft." :someone else

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For years I had taken Prozac and approximately 6-8 months ago I fell into deep depression.  At the recomendation of my doctor he suggested that I go to a psychiatrist.  I fought this for awhile and then decided it was do something or die.  The doctor changed my medicing to zoloft which I could not take then to Wellbutrin.  He started me on 150mg a day changed it to 150mg twice a day atleast eight hours apart.  It has helped greatly but I still have a prssimistic outlook and cry at the bat of a hat.  He is going to up my dosage again to 400mg a day.  If this does no improve my condition he will try adding (possible) a small amount of prozac along with the Wellbutrin.  All this to say that there are a lot of different ways to work with these medication.  Find you a good doctor who is schooled in the use of these drugs.  There is help.

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that it is working well. Does somebody have experience with this drug and what is a suitable alternative and dosage. Commments appreciatied… -=Patrick=-

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Hi everyone, I have not posted to your group in a very long time. I have lost my support group and need your support in dealing with my GAD and life as a fellow sufferer. I have been suffering from GAD for over 3 yr. now and have been under treatment for about 1 and a half years. It’s been a long strange trip indeed Currently I am taking Prozac and Knoplin (misspelled I know) and am having moderate success. I have tried many alternative medicines and pharmaceuticals in dealing with this disease and am anxious to share with the group and get feedback. Feel free to talk to me about anything or get on my ICQ list my ICQ number is 4058408. I would love to share information. Peace, lunarchld

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. Feel free to talk to me about anything or get on my ICQ list my ICQ number is 4058408. I would love to share information.

Hmmmm, never considered our ICQ numbers…….mine is 1569491….anyone else have ICQ numbers to share?? KC

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Hmmmm, never considered our ICQ numbers…….mine is 1569491….anyone else have ICQ numbers to share?? KC What are ICQ numbers? I am really dumb on this one. Yes I would like to share information anyway I can. Lol no disrespect it’s that you blew me away with this one. Warmest Regards Bonnie

Bonnie…..I’ll send you the ICQ program…..just run it while you are already online with AOL…..ICQ is just another communication form……you can see at a glance who is online, send quick messages like IM’s to people with other servers, and chat with people from other servers so you aren’t confined to AOL chat rooms.  And the sound waves are cute! Anyone wanting the little program to run ICQ, drop me your e-mail address and I’ll send the program.  I THINK it’s free…..I’ve had it about 6 months and it was when I logged on. Just send me your e-mail address and I’ll forward the program to you. KC

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. Feel free to talk to me about anything or get on my ICQ list my ICQ number is 4058408. I would love to share information. Hmmmm, never considered our ICQ numbers…….mine is 1569491….anyone else have ICQ numbers to share?? KC

okay, i’m in my ICQ # is 2714295. Just be sure to put ASAP on your request this is a great idea y’all

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. Feel free to talk to me about anything or get on my ICQ list my ICQ number is 4058408. I would love to share information. Hmmmm, never considered our ICQ numbers…….mine is 1569491….anyone else have ICQ numbers to share?? KC

Yeah Cindy, as a matter of fact, I have it written down, somewhere, uuuhhhmmm, where is it??? Oh yes, here it is: 3206250 I have only one problem: I don’t have a clue what I can do with this Now I only hope you don’t come to visit me at night and do spooky things…… bye, Trudy the netherlands Remove "xx" from address when replying.

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as a matter of fact, I have it written down, somewhere, uuuhhhmmm, where is it??? Oh yes, here it is: 3206250

next time you are online Trudy, find the ICQ program and run it. Then "connect"…….you CHOOSE who you want to chat to, or send instant messages to. for instance……if you are online right now reading this…..you might hear a little voice say……"incoming message"…..then you click on receive, and it could be me sending a message to you while I’m online at the same time! I could also initiate a "chat" mode with you…..where a screen comes up and we can talk back and forth in real time.  As I type my message, the letters come up on your screen!!!  And you can answer immediately too! I’m a computer flunky, and if I can figure it out, ANYONE can.  Jus tmake sure you run your program WHILE YOU ARE ALREADY ONLINE WITH YOUR ISP. I’ll add you to my list Trudy and you’ll get a system message! KC Cindy

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Spike, as others, I appreciate all the effort your putting in for me. Thank You Stephanie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jenwolf may be correct. If you think that is the case do this, off-line; reboot, go to dos, type this: netstat -anc:netstat.txt. press enter, type this: exit press enter, that gets things back to windows. Then look in windows and a file called netstat.txt will be there. (notepad) If you know about ports, check it yourself, if not mail the text to me. With your type of connection you have. I don’t think that is the case, however. Still this little thing is good to know. spike If you believe that someone else is posting to usenet and forging your return e-mail address on their posts, then you too can send a copy of the offending post (with complete headers) to their ISP (and to their NNTP-Posting-Host if they are different).  It is a violation of most ISP’s "acceptable use policy" or "terms of service" to forge someone else’s e-mail address. you might also want to check your machine for trojan horses. . .like netbus or subseven. they could be used to *easily* steal passwords and proceed to post or send email in the name of the person stolen from, *from* that person’s account(s). http://jenwolf.virtualave.net/

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Jenwolf may be correct. If you think that is the case do this, off-line; reboot, go to dos, type this: netstat -anc:netstat.txt.

eh? no no no, you need to do netstat while you are *on* line. that way you can see who is connected to you or, if you’re fast enough who is sending you udp packets. as well as what ports are listening. some trojans listen on a certain port(s), which could be seen with an offline netstat, but i’ve never tried it. the easiest way, for someone who is not really in to the technicalities of networking, is to check the registry. hit the start button, then run, type in "regedit" and go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWARE<MicrosoftWidowsCurrentVersionRun if there are any files there that end with exe, delete them. this will prevent the blasted thing from starting up every time you reboot. (or just exit the registry, use a virus cleaner to rid your system of them, reboot and check the registry again.) note the name of the file and then search the system for it and delete it. unfortunately there are a lot of rat trojans out there, so this may or may not work for all of them. the *best* way to be rid of the damned things is to lowlevel format the drive, most of the newer bios’ have a utility to do this, but it could be risky for certain hard drives. http://jenwolf.virtualave.net/

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Some of these aliases are suspect as being one and the same person.

Half a dozen people in ASAP can vouch for La Chech. She’s one of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet. Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Some of these aliases are suspect as being one and the same person.

well, let’s clear up one name…i am not the spammer.  i AM guilty of poor taste and displaying a bad temper…but since i used such poor judgement i have no doubt i am picked as a target…..  unfortunately, it took me about 5 tries with my smart buddy spike just to get the spam proof on my acct, and another 3 or 4 to get the sig line working….. the people in this ng (aar) do know me, and I would hope that even in light of my poor judgement a few might stand up to say that i did not do this aweful thing.  at least i hope so…. — If you can judge a wise man by the color of his skin,  then mister you