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i notice that when i do NYC races in central park (freddiemac 5K most recently) i become terribly asthmatic after about a mile.  i don’t have this problem in the NJ suburbs where i live and run other races. i am on asthma medications (serevent, flovent and nasonex.) and these do a good job for me. wondering if it’s the air quality in central park. -rei

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wondering if it’s the air quality in central park.

It could very well be. I would think the ground level pollution is higher in NYC (more concentration of cars) than in the suburbs…particularly in the warmer months. For example, I used to have chronic bronchitus when I lived in the city.  When I moved to NJ the problem cleared up. Johanna "forever young" Young

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Paul, perhaps try some Paxil instead of prozac. If you are Bipolar, try some Lamictal <sp which has some anti-depressant properties. This is what helps my seasonal depression to some degree. (this has not been a good year for me, since my Mother passed away January 2003) Hugs, Ralph

It does? My pdoc gave me some. I’m taking Paxil currently. I feel like depression is often at the core of my problems. MorphGrrl

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Yes, Lamictal is a mood stableizer with some anti-depressant properties. You will discover that my Bipolar Disorder takes the unenviable configuration of  98% depression, 1% "normal" (whatever that is?), and 1% mixed states, irritable depression, also known as "Rotten Ralph" <grin.

I tend to get euphoric at times and learned how bring it out in some way. But it still is much depression even if slightly now. I did better in sales today at work so that made me happier. Before I went to work I was a teeny bit ho hum in a sense, but looking at sites that made me laugh a little, helped my mood. Remembering it’s Valentine’s day makes my mood go in a roller coaster. Over all it’s not a bad dip because of the meds, but annoying in a sense. I’m the serial hugger, today. Hugs, Ralph

Ahhhhh, thanks Ralph! MorphGrrl

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Every so often I go into deep drepressive cycles. I don’t want to be depressed. I live on Wellbutrin, Xanax, and Seroquel for sleeping at night. However, I can’t shake it. It’s like drowning or being smothered by a wet blanket. I manage to work, but I engage in self destructive behavior. Certain external things must trigger the depresssion, but it’s also got to be chemical.  The last time this stuff happened was the end of August, beginning of September. I ended up overdosing on xanax and spent a couple of days in the hospital detoxing. It was a very stressful and not very helpful experience. People on this board were very helpful in suggesting strongly help. Some of the earlier stressful things are moot.  The psychiatrist said he thought I had something like a post traumatic stress syndrome, whatever that exactly means. I’ve had life-long depression; and I finally found, I think a therapist who can deal with all of the abuse issues, if I can make it until some problems are solved, if they are solveable.  I’m one of those rare middle aged males who feel better when they’ve cut themselves.  There are some days when I feel that I can’t turn myself off and I get little sleep for days and then the deep depression returns.  The doctor insists I’m not bi-polar.     Should I suggest upping the Wellbutrin dosage from 300 mg to 400?   This stuff can be dangerous. I’ve already taken tricyclics, trazodone, prozac, effexor (horrible to quit), and even large amounts of lithium (which I"ve overdosed on twice, so maybe taking it isn’t a great idea)   as a  mood stabilizer plus some klonopin and other meds over the years. The Wellbutrin helped at first. However, after a year or so of it the effects seem to be less effective.     I guess what I really want to know is can one put Humpty Dumpty back together again?  Maybe some of us are really too damaged goods. I’m really depressed with unexplained cyring fits yet. I’m so tired of  this routine. I undermine good things and compliments just make me more depressed.     I only write to this board when I’m in a crisis, which doesn’t make me a very helpful person. However, if someone could offer some hope, I’d appreciate it.  People were exceptionally helpful last September.  Maybe just writing to this address makes me feel better. I even took up excercising. I seem to be doing everything right, but I still feel so depressed; and cutting myself with razor blades, even if I’m just nicking myself and drawing blood, can’t be a good omen. I do feel better though.  If  I sound confused I am; and, I’m tired. Can a person live indefinitely on Wellbutrin, Xanax, and Seroquel?  It doesn’t sound like a constructive way of life.     Thanks for any suggestions,        Paul

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simion wrote:

I know the feeling. I get the willies when I visit my family. Can hardly hold a cup of tea.

Good one.

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In message <Cjg9b.8108$4j3.7…@bignews6.bellsouth.net

, Smoove B

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writes I have tremors also, but my doc diagnosed them as familial tremors.

I know the feeling. I get the willies when I visit my family. Can hardly hold a cup of tea. But also, being chronically tense, as many obsessional people are, can cause the muscles to tremble. That’s my experience anyway. — simon

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From: "Mike" mikea…@nobody.net This is something that has bothered me ever since I was a teenager.  I’ve never been able to figure it out, so I thought I would post about it here. Anyway, I have this problem with tremors, and fine motor problems in general.  I first noticed it as a teenager, when lying on my side on the bed, propping my head up with my hand and arm so I could read my homework assignment.  I noticed that I couldn’t move my arm or hand smoothly without causing tremors in the muscles being used for that motion.  Subsequently I learned that this is made much worse when the muscles in question have been stressed (such as propping my head up, or carrying a heavy shopping bag.) Also, the more "strength" I put into the motion, the more exacerbated the tremors. As an example, imagine the motion involved with twisting the throttle on a motorcycle.  That movement induces tremors in my hand, particularly if I tense those muscles, or if they’re tired. Also, I’ve always had some fine motor control problems in other ways – my movements seem more "jerky" than other people.  Course, maybe I’m just obsessing over it (I have OCD, after all.) It doesn’t appear that anyone has ever noticed these symptoms, so I don’t want to exaggerate them.  It doesn’t really affect me, other than just making me curious as to the cause. I’ve done some reading in the past, and my symptoms don’t match Parkinson’s or other similar diseases.  The closest match I can find is the diagnosis of "Essential Tremor", which really isn’t a "true" diagnosis at all, but just a catch-all for tremors without any other obvious cause. Just curious if anyone knows if this type of thing is more common among those with OCD and/or Tourette’s?  I.e., could the same chemical imbalances related to these disorders also have an impact on fine motor control? Thanks, Mike

Hi Mike. Curious question to me ! My son is the one in the family with TS – tics only (and is now 22). But ET, Essential Tremor, runs in my family. My father has it, my sister, my brother, and me. All to different degrees. My dad and sister have very shaky hands. People have asked me if my sister has Parkinson’s due to her shaky hands. My brother and I have it very mild where you just see a paper shake if I am holding it up with  unsupported arms. My sister is now in a study with a neurologist who is doing research to see if there is a connection between ET and Parkinson’s. In fact, I was going to call him and see if he treats TS patients, as well. He is so wonderful! He dxed my father with hydrosephalus (sp?), water on the brain, when all other doctors threw up their arms and gave up. So no answers for you, but seems plausible about your theory. Jan

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This is something that has bothered me ever since I was a teenager.  I’ve never been able to figure it out, so I thought I would post about it here. Anyway, I have this problem with tremors, and fine motor problems in general.  I first noticed it as a teenager, when lying on my side on the bed, propping my head up with my hand and arm so I could read my homework assignment.  I noticed that I couldn’t move my arm or hand smoothly without causing tremors in the muscles being used for that motion.  Subsequently I learned that this is made much worse when the muscles in question have been stressed (such as propping my head up, or carrying a heavy shopping bag.) Also, the more "strength" I put into the motion, the more exacerbated the tremors. As an example, imagine the motion involved with twisting the throttle on a motorcycle.  That movement induces tremors in my hand, particularly if I tense those muscles, or if they’re tired. Also, I’ve always had some fine motor control problems in other ways – my movements seem more "jerky" than other people.  Course, maybe I’m just obsessing over it (I have OCD, after all.) It doesn’t appear that anyone has ever noticed these symptoms, so I don’t want to exaggerate them.  It doesn’t really affect me, other than just making me curious as to the cause. I’ve done some reading in the past, and my symptoms don’t match Parkinson’s or other similar diseases.  The closest match I can find is the diagnosis of "Essential Tremor", which really isn’t a "true" diagnosis at all, but just a catch-all for tremors without any other obvious cause. Just curious if anyone knows if this type of thing is more common among those with OCD and/or Tourette’s?  I.e., could the same chemical imbalances related to these disorders also have an impact on fine motor control? Thanks, Mike

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I have tremors also, but my doc diagnosed them as familial tremors. Brandon "Mike" <mikea…@nobody.net

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This is something that has bothered me ever since I was a teenager.  I’ve never been able to figure it out, so I thought I would post about it here. Anyway, I have this problem with tremors, and fine motor problems in general.  I first noticed it as a teenager, when lying on my side on the bed, propping my head up with my hand and arm so I could read my homework assignment.  I noticed that I couldn’t move my arm or hand smoothly

without

causing tremors in the muscles being used for that motion.  Subsequently I learned that this is made much worse when the muscles in question have

been

stressed (such as propping my head up, or carrying a heavy shopping bag.) Also, the more "strength" I put into the motion, the more exacerbated the tremors. As an example, imagine the motion involved with twisting the throttle on a motorcycle.  That movement induces tremors in my hand, particularly if I tense those muscles, or if they’re tired. Also, I’ve always had some fine motor control problems in other ways – my movements seem more "jerky" than other people.  Course, maybe I’m just obsessing over it (I have OCD, after all.) It doesn’t appear that anyone has ever noticed these symptoms, so I don’t want to exaggerate them.  It doesn’t really affect me, other than just making me curious as to the cause. I’ve done some reading in the past, and my symptoms don’t match

Parkinson’s

or other similar diseases.  The closest match I can find is the diagnosis

of

"Essential Tremor", which really isn’t a "true" diagnosis at all, but just

a

catch-all for tremors without any other obvious cause. Just curious if anyone knows if this type of thing is more common among those with OCD and/or Tourette’s?  I.e., could the same chemical

imbalances

related to these disorders also have an impact on fine motor control? Thanks, Mike

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How long did withdrawal symptoms stay with you when you came off Zoloft? I’ve been completely off for over 2 weeks and am still getting the electric shocks in the back of my head. Headaches have gone and most of the faintness has too. But I’m still not through with it, I don’t think. I don’t feel depressed off them, I just feel like hell. HOw long is it gonna last? I’m gonna  try and sit it out rather than go back on to stop the physical symptoms. Thanks in advance

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I had similar symptoms when I went off Celexa.  The doctor on call didn’t even know anything about Celexa withdrawal, but I found proof on the net (so I knew I wasn’t crazy).  Anyway, they lasted a long time for me.  They continued to wane and get better, but it was at least a month before I felt more "normal" again.  And I still had minor lingering effects past that. Don’t give up, it will continue to wear off. Good luck, Jessica

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan wrote…… I take xanax before going to bed and get to slepp usually within 10 minutes, but I allways awaken about 1.5 to 2 hours later feeling anxious, and sweating terribly. My hands have gone to sleep due to poor circulation. What is the best med for sleep? PLEASE! Dear Dan, There is a good chance that you are undermedicated when it come to Xanax, the should discuss this with your doctor. How long have you been on Zoloft, what is your current dose and do you feel it has helped you any? How is your anxiety during the day? If Zoloft hasn`t helped you much and is causing you to sleep poorly…..perhaps instead of adding yet another med why not switch to another antidepressant? I have gone through stages where my hands are always falling alseep while I am sleeping I have a bad habit of tucking my arms under my head and that is whats makes them fall asleep. Take care Jackie "Our ultimate freedom is the right and power to decide how anybody or anything outside ourselves will affect us." -Stephen Covey

Jackie-I do the same thing you do with my hands under head for sleepling. I assumed it was just poor circulation that caused the numness, Today a doctor told me it is carpel tunnel that is causing them to go to sleep–or probably a pinched nerve.

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I can get ambien here in FLorida a hell of a lot easier than I can get xanax around here.. Ambien, sonata… (guess cause they aren’t in high demand on the street…)

There’s no problem with the availability of Ambien elsewhere, either. It’s zopiclone that can’t generally be obtained in the US, though it is available in Europe. I personally found zopiclone more effective than Ambien, though Ambien is quite good. -David-

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What is the best med for sleep? PLEASE! Ambien (zolpidem) is pretty good, I found. It’s more or less unique. There is also zopiclone, if you can get a script for it (it’s not generally available in the US).

I can get ambien here in FLorida a hell of a lot easier than I can get xanax around here.. Ambien, sonata… (guess cause they aren’t in high demand on the street…) Or you could try a sedating antidepressant like amitriptyline, doxepin, or mirtazapine (Remeron). But these work in a different way for sleeplessness, and may not work for everyone. -David-

when I added remeron to my xanax and zoloft (4mg and 100mg respectively daily) I have had a much easier time sleeping… YMMV. Much Love, Brooke

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I take xanax before going to bed and get to slepp usually within 10 minutes, but I allways awaken about 1.5 to 2 hours later feeling anxious, and sweating terribly. My hands have gone to sleep due to poor circulation. What is the best med for sleep? PLEASE!

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What is the best med for sleep? PLEASE!

Ambien (zolpidem) is pretty good, I found. It’s more or less unique. There is also zopiclone, if you can get a script for it (it’s not generally available in the US). Or you could try a sedating antidepressant like amitriptyline, doxepin, or mirtazapine (Remeron). But these work in a different way for sleeplessness, and may not work for everyone. -David-

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Dan wrote…… I take xanax before going to bed and get to slepp usually within 10 minutes, but I allways awaken about 1.5 to 2 hours later feeling anxious, and sweating terribly. My hands have gone to sleep due to poor circulation. What is the best med for sleep? PLEASE!

Dear Dan, There is a good chance that you are undermedicated when it come to Xanax, the should discuss this with your doctor. How long have you been on Zoloft, what is your current dose and do you feel it has helped you any? How is your anxiety during the day? If Zoloft hasn`t helped you much and is causing you to sleep poorly…..perhaps instead of adding yet another med why not switch to another antidepressant? I have gone through stages where my hands are always falling alseep while I am sleeping I have a bad habit of tucking my arms under my head and that is whats makes them fall asleep. Take care Jackie "Our ultimate freedom is the right and power to decide how anybody or anything outside ourselves will affect us." -Stephen Covey

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Was diagnosed with low testosterone after stopping Effexor, never had this problem before but believe it to be related to the drug for a whole bunch of reasons that I won’t go into here.  Has this happened to anyone else?  My urologist believes my pitutatary gland has some how got out of whack, now I am not only depressed but have this to deal with.  Wish I had never taken the drug, Wellbutrin is much better. I read on one of these posts that a user of effexor who quit taking it was told by his doctor that the drug had completely rewired his brain.   Has anyone else heard of permanent side effects from Effexor?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << Was diagnosed with low testosterone after stopping Effexor, never had this problem before but believe it to be related to the drug for a whole bunch of reasons that I won’t go into here.  Has this happened to anyone else?  My urologist believes my pitutatary gland has some how got out of whack, now I am not only depressed but have this to deal with.  Wish I had never taken the drug, Wellbutrin is much better. I read on one of these posts that a user of effexor who quit taking it was told by his doctor that the drug had completely rewired his brain.   Has anyone else heard of permanent side effects from Effexor? Sounds like bullshit to me. But when dealing with medicine and drugs, I suppose anything is possible. Its also possible that your testosterone was already low before starting Effexor, you just didnt know it yet and neither did your doctor. Low testosterone levels can cause depression all by itself. In fact, up at Columbia/Presbyterian psychiatry in NYC, there are some experimental clinical trials that use testosterone supplements (anabolic steroids) to "augment" SSRIs in refractory depressed men. Abnormally low levels of testosterone can no doubt cause depression. Anabolic steroids (testosterone) are said to have strong antidepressant effects. So you are on track..correct your low testosterone levels first, then if you still need an AD go back on the Effexor or an SSRI. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

I am really sure I never had low testosterone before effexor, the effects of having this are pretty dramatic, hot flashes, tired all the time, no libido, very erratic mood swings.  After I went on Effexor I started getting these symptoms.  At first I thought it was the drug so I went off of it, after a few months of being off of it and the side effects staying I realized something was really wrong.  I found another person who had this happen by searching through some old postings, that makes 2, how many more are there?

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says… It hardly seems fair that those who guard our health do so at this kind of price. Without blaming all such woes on lifestyle, I do wish doctoring were a less heroic and more comfortable thing. Good luck — Julianne

In Australia, we don’t tend to glorify doctors — at least general practitioners.In many ways it’s just another job. This has its advantages and disadvantages. People don’t believe we are superhuman; they feel free to ask us questions if they don’t understand something. I’m sure if you scratch any American doctor, you’d find a patient of some type; and also a person — unless you’ve begun cloning your MDs (which, from reading some of the stories here, I would believe!) Ciao, Raymot ======= Brisbane, Australia [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

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It hardly seems fair that those who guard our health do so at this kind of price. Without blaming all such woes on lifestyle, I do wish doctoring were a less heroic and more comfortable thing. Good luck — Julianne

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Hi All, Ok, here’s the post about my headaches. I have always had tension headaches. I used to be rarely without them — just sometimes they were worse than others. I’ve tried all sorts of medications over the years — and being a physician myself, I can prescribe for myself what I think I need (except for narcotics, and controlled drugs). This year my headaches have dramatically reduced, I think due to several reasons. Firstly, I decided not to feel guilty about self-prescribing the drugs I needed. Secondly, I got a second opinion about not feeling guilty about self- prescribing the drugs I needed. The drugs I’m taking are Zoloft (sertraline) 100mg/day, Xanax (alprazolam) 1mg/day (a small dose, but it works), and Digesic (dextropropoxyphene + paracetamol) as necessary (usually ~ 3-4/day) Adequate and regular sleep is essential for me. I am using a mouth splint at night (to stop snoring and to stop teeth-grinding). This really helps lessen the headaches, and is as important as the drugs. After having a $300 splint fall apart, I made one myself out of a $7.95 sports mouthguard. The essential features are that it stops the bruxism, and acts as a mandibular advancement splint (insofar as I have an overbite, and with the splint I can’t close my teeth together fully, so my airway stays more open.) I also believe the texture of the splint takes some pressure off the clenching muscles — temporalis and masseters etc. It’s springy and pushes back. I’m really amazed at the difference a hunk of rubber between my teeth at nighttime can make to the severity of those waking headaches. In order of importance, I would say the following factors have contributed to the significant improvement in my tension headaches: 1) Zoloft;  2) Mouth splint at night;  3) Xanax;   4) Adequate Sleep; 5) Digesic – Analgesics. Note, this is only a personal story. It won’t work for everyone, and I’m not suggesting it in the capacity of a physician. But it’s worked for me and I can honestly say that I can go for most of the day without a headache sometimes! Ciao, Raymot ======= Brisbane, Australia [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

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Hi. I have not posted here before, as I only recently became aware of this ng. It certainly loads faster than the Fairlite BB. I am just wondering if anyone else here is recovering from a substance abuse problem. I am, and the thing is, I feel inhibited sharing about my OCD at AA meetings because I might stigmatize myself as "crazy". At meetings, we are supposed to share our problems in order to recover, but my most pressing ones I feel I cannot share. I have been in an OCD support group, but it is on hold because of poor attendance. I have an individual counselor, and am on Zoloft, but this subject is a very troublesome one for me. Any answers?                         Chuck E. —

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On 5 May 1997, ChuckE wrote:

Hi. I have not posted here before, as I only recently became aware of this ng. It certainly loads faster than the Fairlite BB. I am just wondering if anyone else here is recovering from a substance abuse problem. I am, and the thing is, I feel inhibited sharing about my OCD at AA meetings because I might stigmatize myself as "crazy". At meetings, we are supposed to share our problems in order to recover, but my most pressing ones I feel I cannot share. I have been in an OCD support group, but it is on hold because of poor attendance. I have an individual counselor, and am on Zoloft, but this subject is a very troublesome one for me. Any answers?

    Hi, Chuck!  I’m Dennis, and I’m new here too.  I’m not a substance abuser, but I’ve been active in AlAnon, for people involved with substance abusers, so I’m familiar with 12-Step programs.  I don’t currently have active OCD, but I did when I was a teenager.  My recovery from that is a long story, that I will share here as I go.  I’m still interested in OCD because I still have a lot of the personality characteristics.  I’ve never been to an in-person OCD support meeting.     I’ve shared about OCD at some AlAnon meetings.  No one thought I was crazy, but no one identified very strongly either.  However, control and letting go of the need to control are central AlAnon topics and receive plenty of discussion at AlAnon meetings.  I use Alanon ideas to help. Meditation is a good exercise in letting go for me.     I discussed my OCD with one AA and he told me it sounded like some AA problems (the desire for magic, the desire for ultimate power, etc.)  He suggested I try going to some open AA meetings, and I plan to do that. However, OCD is obviously different from addiction in other ways.  There’s no substance involved, and usually no denial either.     I now suffer from chronic daily headaches.  My headache doc says it could be related to my former OCD, since migraine, depression, and OCD are all serotonin problems.  I’ve tried every SSRI that I know of (Luvox, Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Paxil) except Serzone.  I’ve also tried Anafranil and Desyrel.  Of all those, Prozac, Desyrel, and Paxil have helped the most.  Right now I’m using Paxil, along with verapamil and Sansert.  That’s helping a lot with the headaches.     Because of my tendency to obsessively focus on things, I was preoccupied with my headaches for the last several years.  However, I finally realized that focusing on pain was a sure way to stay miserable. AlAnon ideas helped me to realize that.  Now I use AlAnon, and I’ve found personal interests I like to focus on, too.     I hope that helps some. More later, Dennis — For more information about this service, send e-mail to: h…@anon.twwells.com   — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com  – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator

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This is for ChuckE, who noted that the Fairlite OCD site takes a long time to load.  Actually, it loads pretty quickly if you turn off your graphics and get text-only.  There’s nothing much to see on that site, but there’s some invaluable information. KimJ

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i would like all the information of this drug.

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i would like all the information of this drug.

For more than you ever wanted to know, point your frame-capable browser at: http://www.mentalhealth.com/fr30.html The site notes that this is based on the Canadian monograph. — G-Man

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        What are some of the side effects of the drug Paxil? One         person has mentioned headaches.

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:       What are some of the side effects of the drug Paxil? One :       person has mentioned headaches. Paxil’s (paroxetine HCl) side effect profile is similar to that of the other major serotonin reuptake inhibitors currently on the market, Prozac (fluoxetine) and Zoloft (sertraline), i.e., dryness of the eyes/mouth, and decreased libido.  Also may cause too much energy, insomnia, drowsiness, restless sleep, GI distress, headaches, or bruxism–grinding of the teeth during sleep.  versus Prozac is not supposed to cause decreased appetite.  incidence of side effects is supposed to be less with paxil than with the other two. i have been taking 40 mg/day for about six months now–early problems with dryness, libido have spontaneously abated over time; still have restless sleep, drowsiness during day, bruxism.  no problems for me with appetite, GI, or headache.

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:       What are some of the side effects of the drug Paxil? One :       person has mentioned headaches. Most common: nausea, tiredness, sweating, tremors,weakness, dry mouth, sleeplessness, constipation, dizzyness, decreased sex drive, abrormal ejaculations, blurred vision, weight gain, headache. Less common: memory loss, unusual walk, pains, loss of urinary control, etc.

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   What are some of the side effects of the drug Paxil? One    person has mentioned headaches.

nausea, folliculitis…there are others, ask a pharmacist for paxil insert, it should list all the known contradictions.           "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain              a little temporary safety deserve neither              liberty nor safety." — Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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