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My wife and I moved to Grande Prairie, Alberta, a year ago.  We came here from Prince Edward Island.  She is an American from Illinois. Since we got here, she has had increasing problems with her asthma, to the point that she is now being monitored and on a whole raft of medications, using sidestream, the whole nine yards.  My question is this; Is there any place in Alberta that is safe to live, or does the whole province pose a health risk to asthma sufferers.  If we can find relief further south, then we are willing to look at that option. Mike Nantau

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Moving anywhere can usually be counted on to introduce the asthma sufferer to new triggers.  As usual it takes a while to get accustomed to them.  Hang in there. — Murray Stone phone:  (403) 486-5146  fax:  (403) 483-7791 snailmail:  616-21, 10405 Jasper Avenue Edmonton, AB, T5J 3S2 Canada

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South is not good.  Here in Calgary asthma is pretty common.  Mine has gotten worse since moving here…but it is a beautiful city and I am not leaving.  I never had any problems in Grande Prairie with my asthma. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I moved to Grande Prairie, Alberta, a year ago.  We came here from Prince Edward Island.  She is an American from Illinois. Since we got here, she has had increasing problems with her asthma, to the point that she is now being monitored and on a whole raft of medications, using sidestream, the whole nine yards.  My question is this; Is there any place in Alberta that is safe to live, or does the whole province pose a health risk to asthma sufferers.  If we can find relief further south, then we are willing to look at that option. Mike Nantau

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South is not good.  Here in Calgary asthma is pretty common.  Mine has gotten worse since moving here…but it is a beautiful city and I am not leaving.  I never had any problems in Grande Prairie with my asthma.

Hi, My asthma also seems to be a lot worse since I moved here to Calgary from Ottawa 10 months ago. However, I also love it and am not planning on leaving. I thought that the dryness (Ottawa is VERY humid) would improve my allergies and asthma, but it seems to have made me more sensitive. I’ve been to emerg 5 times since I’ve been here, but 4 of those times were prolonged exposure to a cat and the last one was the result of what I *think* is bronchitis (I’ve been coughing for 2 weeks!) So, I guess these weren’t speciically due to living in Alberta. I have noticed that the respiratory therapists seem a bit behind here in terms of medication. Each time I have been to emerg (at 3 different hospitals) and they ask me what I’m taking I show them my Maxair which I take along with Beclefort. In each case they had never heard of Maxair before. I thought that was kind of strange because it came out in Ontario about 6 months ago. I find Maxair to be wonderful, literally instant relief. Any suggestions on how to cure this bronchitis? My gp put me on antibiotics 2 days ago but it doesn’t seem to be going away. I’m having trouble sleeping because whenever I lie down I have a huge coughing fit. The Maxair doesn’t stop the cough or the congested feeling. I took an expectorand cough syrup – but stopped when I started on the antibiotics. Should I go back on the cough syrup too? Everyone in my office is buying me halls and bringing me water – very embarassing. Thanks for any advice. Alyssa PS – I tried Flovent and it made me cough even harder.

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Has anyone ordered from here? I am instrested in the Kramer that is $179 (I forgot the model and am to lazy to load up the browser I has 2 "quad rail" humbukers and 1 double rail humbuker in the middle. Also comes with a Floyd Rose tremolo and some kick ass tuners. So, any good? Or has anyone ordered from their yet? Thanks Nicola

I’m interested too… it’d be nice to have a backup guitar with a floyd for gigs if my JEM breaks a string… *sigh* why can’t I be endorsed for JEMs?   Hehehe…  Where is the company located?  *crosses fingers* please say Canada… -=Devon Lougheed=- "if politics is the blind leading the blind, entertainment is the f**ked up leading the hypnotised" to reply remove NOSPAM from email adress

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I bought the same guitar your looking at. I love it! Right now I own two Les Pauls, a JB player PRS copy, and a Cort Flying V. This guitar doesn’t sound like any of them. The sound is close to a Jackson or Ibanez but a little beefier. I play mainly hard rock in the vain of Ratt and it does great for what I need it for. I haven’t played out with it yet but I’ve recorded with it and it did great!! No Noise. I have a Line 6 Flextone 300 watt head through a Peavy 412e cab. So just about any guitar would sound great to me!! It will depend a lot on what type of setup you have and what style of music you play. The guitar stays in tune providing you have it setup correctly. It seems like it will hold up against the test of a musicians time!! My experience with music yo was very good. I placed my order and got a receipt number right away, then a thank you for your order the next day as well as a confirmation of shipment with a UPS tracking number. It was here in 6 days. These Krammers are made by Gibson and are shipped from the Gibson factory in Nash. Tenn. You can email Gibson for more info on the Krammer line. (since they are real quite about it online) Visit www.gibson.com Good Luck Laura

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought the same guitar your looking at. I love it! Right now I own two Les Pauls, a JB player PRS copy, and a Cort Flying V. This guitar doesn’t sound like any of them. The sound is close to a Jackson or Ibanez but a little beefier. I play mainly hard rock in the vain of Ratt and it does great for what I need it for. I haven’t played out with it yet but I’ve recorded with it and it did great!! No Noise. I have a Line 6 Flextone 300 watt head through a Peavy 412e cab. So just about any guitar would sound great to me!! It will depend a lot on what type of setup you have and what style of music you play. The guitar stays in tune providing you have it setup correctly. It seems like it will hold up against the test of a musicians time!! My experience with music yo was very good. I placed my order and got a receipt number right away, then a thank you for your order the next day as well as a confirmation of shipment with a UPS tracking number. It was here in 6 days. These Krammers are made by Gibson and are shipped from the Gibson factory in Nash. Tenn. You can email Gibson for more info on the Krammer line. (since they are real quite about it online) Visit www.gibson.com Good Luck

Just that everyone understands, the new Kramer Strikers may be "shipped" from Gibson’s factory in Nashville TN but they are made in Korea. I’m still looking for someone here to post a review of the guitar. I’m looking for quality and playability.  I have to be honest in that I am intrested in picking one up (can’t beat the price) but the one thing that holds me back in the "rail" pickups that the guitar comes with. The MusicYo site states that the rail pickup’s have a 2/4 configuration where you can pull up on the tone knob to turn on all four pickup rails.  The problem for me is if I don’t like the pickups it doens’t seem like it would be very easy to just replace them with better pickups. The 2/4 pickup selector switch may have to be replaced as well.  I have played the new Kramer Baretta’s with the rail pickups and I wasn’t that impressed. The Jackson DK’s sounded much better (with the Duncan design pickups).   So can anyone who has purchased a new Kramer Striker from MusicYo post an in-depth review of the guitar (quility, sound, opinion of the "rail" pickups etc..). Regards, — — Matt Costanza Austin, TX USA

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Very good company for their guitars, great service. For strings, give www.stringsdirect.co.uk a try – they are also apparently excellent but have far cheaper delivery costs. Stu

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair ….. Any feedback mush appreciated Rgds Gary

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Hi, Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair ….. Any feedback mush appreciated

I purchased a guitar (Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro), gigbag, etc. from them.  I’ve been very pleased with their service, incl. customer service & tech support (I used email for both). Dave Morgenlender

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I’ve dealt with them pretty extensively and have been happy with the instruments I purchased. I have purchased strings from them, but since I live in the US, shipping cost is not a major concern. My guess is you might be better off purchasing strings locally as suggested, unless they are the sole source (like for my Steinberger). If these are regular strings, I’d recommend also checking out musicians friend or American Musical Supply for bulk discounts and shipping. If you’r not concerned with brand names, they may have generic bulk strings you may purchase. Another possibility with Music Yo is to contact them to see if they will ship via your preffered shipper. They might be willing to do it for you. Contact is by email only, however, they have responded to some requests in the past and have been a pleasure to deal with. Toby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair ….. Well, I don’t know about their shipping prices on small items like Christmas gift last year…….but I think if I was going to actually buy anything from them, it would be something like a guitar or amp and not strings.  Is there a reason you can’t go to a local store for strings? Charles — Head Papershuffler Paper Airplane Division (currently assigned to the Rubber Band Flight Dynamics project)

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Hi, Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair

I noticed the UK prices are much higher. I have no idea about tariffs or costs in the US. The prices in the US are lower and you can use the US postal service to lower the delivery costs – something a lot of places are now using after the tech bubble collapsed and freebies and subsidies went out the window as wel las the feeling that online sales was the future of retailing. Fuel costs also rose with the rise of oil prices causing a rise a shipping prices. I got my bass delviered I think for $12 or so by the postal service and it got here in about a week about the same as UPS which would have cost $30-40.  

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Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair …..

Well, I don’t know about their shipping prices on small items like gift last year…….but I think if I was going to actually buy anything from them, it would be something like a guitar or amp and not strings.  Is there a reason you can’t go to a local store for strings? Charles — Head Papershuffler Paper Airplane Division (currently assigned to the Rubber Band Flight Dynamics project)

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Hi, Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair ….. Any feedback mush appreciated Rgds Gary

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After reading your post on the allergy group a while back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I’ll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal. Thanks for the suggestions. — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best facility for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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NorthShoreCEO wrote:

What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain.

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NorthShoreCEO wrote: What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know? If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain.

3% Hydrogen Peroxide has been used for decades by millions of people, for cuts and for gargling, to prevent infection and to help remove mucus and phlegm. It is readily available at most super markets, discount stores, retail stores, etc. There are no health warnings on the bottles. If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the proper authorities and warn them.

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"knob" <h…@dontemailme.com wrote in message news:Ouajc.10$Q5.7@fe39.usenetserver.com… NorthShoreCEO wrote: What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know? If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain. 3% Hydrogen Peroxide has been used for decades by millions of people, for cuts and for gargling, to prevent infection and to help remove mucus and phlegm. It is readily available at most super markets, discount stores, retail stores, etc. There are no health warnings on the bottles. If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the proper authorities and warn them.

I didn’t say hydrogen peroxide was a cancer risk.

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I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from the medical community, but I figured I’d offer my personal experience.

Thanks for sharing your experience.  Yes, I was looking for more scientific feedback, but also for use on longer term use than 30 months.  With all the research I do, I’ve not been able to find anything substantive.

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Hydrogen peroxide can’t be too awfully toxic. I used to got to an alt. med MD who also did IV chelation therapy and I saw many patients in his office do large IV drips of hydrogen peroxide solution and this wasn’t the 3% variety. I think they were doing the IVs to protect their heart. I can’t remember the specific rational because it’s been 10 years or so. I’m sure a Google search would tell you whatever their theory was behind ingesting hydrogen peroxide. I remember some of the patients also drank hydrogen peroxide. — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "NorthShoreCEO" <NorthShore…@aol.com

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What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

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Before western culture learned of it, 3,000 years ago the Yoga did rapid in and out sniffing of saline. They did it very rapidly at a low pressure. Which, essentially is what the Hydro Pulse does . This rapid in and out did stimulate cilia and did remove dust and pollen. Try to teach this today ! good luck. Most patients this gentle low pressure means about 70 PSI which will damage the nose. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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spam2death wrote: I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections. I’m sorry to hear that.  I hope that throwing more and more antibiotics at the problem isn’t the only thing your doctors are doing for you.  The most important thing your doctors should be doine for you, is trying to figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first place.

I’ve had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I’ve also taken desensitization shots several times and taken enough allergy pills to fill a 55 gallon drum. Once any of my sinuses or eustachen tubes clogs securely, an infection won’t be far behind.  I don’t even remember large portions of junior high because I was so zoned out on various allergy pills or sick with repeated sinus infections. My problem with sinus infections is that I probably wait much too long before beginning antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have diarreha so I was only on it two days. I’m taking Tequin now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

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antibiotics? IIRC:  nasal irrigation and surgery.  Pretty much what they do now! The first diagnoses of chronic maxillary sinus infections were first made around the 17th century.  And over time, better and better surgical procedures were devised.  (The Caldwell-Luc surgical procedure, for many years the state-of-the-art in sinus surgery, was invented in the late 19th century.) In the 18th century, doctors realized that some sinus infections were caused by dental abscesses and could be helped by extractions of the upper molars.  Nasal irrigation was employed for the first time in the 18th century too. I remember seeing a couple of pictures of the elaborate mechanical apparatuses they used for nasal irrigation, before the invention of electric irrigators.  One of them was a big tank that was fastened high on the wall, way above your head.  You put the hose into your nose, turned the crank, and gravity and siphoning pulled the water down into your nose and thru your nasopharynx. — Steven L.

I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help. Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses. He had to have repeated major surgeries to try and cure the infection. The infections and related pain eventually cost him his job and career. I’d probably have to be fighting a malignancy before I’d risk surgery, but if I further lost my ability to breathe, I might change my mind. Thanks for the medical history lessons and suggestions.   spam2death

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I’ve had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I’ve also taken desensitization shots several times and taken enough allergy pills to fill a 55 gallon drum. Once any of my sinuses or eustachen tubes clogs securely, an infection won’t be far behind.  I don’t even remember large portions of junior high because I was so zoned out on various allergy pills or sick with repeated sinus infections. My problem with sinus infections is that I probably wait much too long before beginning antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have diarreha so I was only on it two days. I’m taking Tequin now.

Have you seen an ENT?  If so, what did he say?

I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help.

You might find that irrigation works better than spray. I use the Grossan irrigator religiously.  It works better for me than any nasal spray.

Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses.

Hmm, this is a new one for me. What the heck is "incurable MRSA?" Was this one of those brand-new strains of MRSA that’s even resistant to vancomycin? Not all hospitals are as careless as the one you describe.  Many of us have had sinus surgery and we didn’t get MRSA.  But we didn’t go to just any surgeon and just any hospital.  We chose carefully. — Steven L.

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tissue?  Does anyone know?" <================================

I’ve flooding my sinuses with a mixture of Hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt for about 30 months, an average of less than twice a month. Total flooding time averages about 15 minutes. After decades of sinus misery, my sinuses have never been better. I’ve also use electro-acupuncture to treat my sinuses, and watch my diet, and I have made changes to my environment, so I can’t attribute my good sinus health to just the flooding. So far, I have not had any bad effects from the contact of the peroxide with my sinuses. I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from the medical community, but I figured I’d offer my personal experience. ===

"Hydrogen peroxide is water with extra oxygen attached. The formula for

water is H2O, and for hydrogen peroxide is H2O2. Another name for hydrogen peroxide would be hydrogen dioxide." <===

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What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

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"spam2death" wrote: After reading your post on the allergy group a while

back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I’ll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal.  Thanks for the suggestions." << <=============================

When I’ve used too much peroxide, it has caused my sinuses to swell shut for about three straight days. I am careful not to use more than one part peroxide to 10 parts water. Even that much used to sting my sinuses, but not any more. If the powerful anti-infective mixture of peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt can get to the source of infection, or infected material, then it can fight the infection and help to prevent recurring infections. If it can’t get to the source of the infection, then the benefits are limited. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

— "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net wrote in message news:rcwic.2918$7a5.2178@bignews6.bellsouth.net… After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of

diluted

3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead

down

for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to

the

infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at

Healthboards.com.

There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down

sinus

flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best

facility

for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections. What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of antibiotics? Anyone have a brief explanation of archaic treatments used for sinus infections used in the years before antibiotics? Any medical historians in the group? thanks,    congested to death but still curious — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best facility for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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spam2death wrote:

I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections.

I’m sorry to hear that.  I hope that throwing more and more antibiotics at the problem isn’t the only thing your doctors are doing for you.  The most important thing your doctors should be doine for you, is trying to figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first place.

What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of antibiotics?

IIRC:  nasal irrigation and surgery.  Pretty much what they do now! The first diagnoses of chronic maxillary sinus infections were first made around the 17th century.  And over time, better and better surgical procedures were devised.  (The Caldwell-Luc surgical procedure, for many years the state-of-the-art in sinus surgery, was invented in the late 19th century.) In the 18th century, doctors realized that some sinus infections were caused by dental abscesses and could be helped by extractions of the upper molars.  Nasal irrigation was employed for the first time in the 18th century too. I remember seeing a couple of pictures of the elaborate mechanical apparatuses they used for nasal irrigation, before the invention of electric irrigators.  One of them was a big tank that was fastened high on the wall, way above your head.  You put the hose into your nose, turned the crank, and gravity and siphoning pulled the water down into your nose and thru your nasopharynx. — Steven L.

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. At first I was hardly using it, maybe once a week, then I started going to the gym and as advised by my Dr I’d use it prior to working out to prevent an exercise induced attack  I stopped going to the gym for awhile and just started up again 3 weeks ago. In the last week and a half I’ve been getting chest pains much like what sent me to the Dr. in the first place as well as "flutters" in my chest. I noticed that my inhaler use has gone way up, its almost daily now and some days twice and most of the time I use it and it does nothing. I plan on calling the Dr. in the morning to make an appointment, but I’m just wondering if this is normal? Other then being constantly sleepy (which I think is in part due to being unable to breathe well and part due to jitteryness from the inhaler) and the chest tightness I feel fine, no fever or anything… Sheila Marie

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed.

If you’re having ongoing problems, one option is to discuss other medication with your doctor, such as Singulair, Intal, Tilade, or Pulmicort. Joan Joan Marie Verba http://www.sff.net/people/Joan.Marie.Verba

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. At first I was hardly using it, maybe once a week, then I started going to the gym and as advised by my Dr I’d use it prior to working out to prevent an exercise induced attack  I stopped going to the gym for awhile and just started up again 3 weeks ago. In the last week and a half I’ve been getting chest pains much like what sent me to the Dr. in the first place as well as "flutters" in my chest. I noticed that my inhaler use has gone way up, its almost daily now and some days twice and most of the time I use it and it does nothing. I plan on calling the Dr. in the morning to make an appointment, but I’m just wondering if this is normal? Other then being constantly sleepy (which I think is in part due to being unable to breathe well and part due to jitteryness from the inhaler) and the chest tightness I feel fine, no fever or anything…

You need to see your doctor ASAP. — We make war so we may live in peace. Aristotle

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Hi, new here. A little background first: I was diagnosed with mild asthma in August and was given an Rx for albuterol 2 puffs as needed. If you’re having ongoing problems, one option is to discuss other medication with your doctor, such as Singulair, Intal, Tilade, or Pulmicort.

I have both Pulmicort and Singulair now. The Dr. is hoping we can get the attack under control and drop the Pulmicort in a month or so. Sheila Marie, still not quite right, but feeling better.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, new here. In the last week and a half I’ve been getting chest pains much like what sent me to the Dr. in the first place as well as "flutters" in my chest. I noticed that my inhaler use has gone way up, its almost daily now and some days twice and most of the time I use it and it does nothing. I plan on calling the Dr. in the morning to make an appointment, but I’m just wondering if this is normal? You need to see your doctor ASAP.

Went today, I was scared last night, I’ve never felt anything like that before. I almost thought for sure I was having a heart attack at 28, but it wasnt. The Dr sent me home all sorts of medicine. He said we need to be more aggressive in my treatment. Seems exercise is a major trigger for me, though its one I need to find a way to get past or something. That’s the goal though, to get to a point where exercise doesn’t trigger this sort of thing. Sheila Marie

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When I first started going downhill with my asthma my main complaint was being extremely tired all the time and the inhaler just sustained me but did not make me feel better. You probably need to be on a low dose of Flovent to start and probably Accolate. Go see your doc! And if he doesn’t change your meds than go to another doctor b/c your asthma will only worsen w/o proper treatment!! Dana

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I’m glad to hear your doctor gave you some preventive meds instead of just rescue meds like albuterol. You should feel better soon! Dana

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You’re so sweet Myra and you sound like you write for Cook’s Illustrated. Glad you had such a splendid holiday. — Nichole–in Montana^^^ http://profiles.yahoo.com/ms_fausey http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASDLCMeetGreet Yahoo Messenger ID:  ms_fausey

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s my report on what we ate for Thanksgiving: No gefilte fish.  <sniff  Oh well, at least we still had the chopped liver, which was wonderful.  If you’re not Jewish, you can call it pate! <g The turkey was incredible.  It was smoked over mesquite, and the flavor of the wood goes right to the bone.  I had a wing, as is my wont, and quite a bit of skin. There were two kinds of candied dishes – one of regular candied sweet potatoes and the other a sugar-free candied squash for Mom and me.  The low-carb version was just incredible, and the regular kind was a big hit, too. One of our guests brought a green bean casserole with the little onion bits on the top.  I had a microbite, and it was pretty good!  I’ve never had that before (weird, huh?). I made a broccoli casserole from a recipe posted here, and it came out really nice – very tasty.  It was sort of a cross between a souffle and a crustless quichy thingie.  I may make another one to keep in the fridge for breakfast, as it’s quite eggy. The beans and broccoli must have been good because my non-green veggie eating father had two servings of both!  We were gobsmacked! My lower carb stuffing was delish – but next time I’ll add more chicken broth.  My mother wants the bread recipe, as she loves rye bread, and it doesn’t bother her the way wheat bread does.  If anybody wants the recipe, I’ll post it here – it comes out to about 7-8 carbs a slice, has a real bread texture (no rubber), and not a drop of soy in it. There was also regular cranberry sauce and my low-carb version, which was fine.  My mother asked to keep it (she likes it better than the canned stuff). There were rolls, which I didn’t touch. Dessert was the pumpkin pie and orange-chocolate cheesecake.  The pumpkin pie was good, and the crust had a nice marizpany taste to it.  The cheesecake, however, was not a triumph.  It came out *flattened*, and it was *really* dense.  Also, while orange and chocolate may be a good combination in some desserts, it really doesn’t work for a cheesecake (although raspberry-chocolate does). I don’t know how the cheesecake bottomed out – could it be the Stevia? Perhaps I overbeat the batter?  I don’t know. Along with dessert, we had decaf coffee with a smidge of heavy cream. And then, we womenfolk cleared the table and washed the dishes, made up goodie packages for everyone, and put away the leftovers. I got the other wing, a bunch of white meat (which I’ll turn into turkey salad and turkey, eggs & onions), and the rest of my dressing.  I left the broccoli casserole for my Dad, and the cranberry sauce for my Mom. Good company, good conversation, good food – all in all, a very nice Thanksgiving! But the *best* surprise of all happened when I first arrived.  My parents’ next-door neighbor, Sarah, has been in a convalescent home for several months, after she fell ill.  She’s a very sweet lady who reminds me of my grandmother (may she rest in peace), and we’ve been missing having her around. Imagine my shock when I came in the door and there was Sarah!  Her son and daughter-in-law had drive up from San Diego to take her out for Thanksgiving dinner, and they stopped by before taking her back to the hospital.  She looked really good – and just as good-natured and happy as ever.  What a thrill! So, I had something extra to be thankful for today. Myra

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My Turkey Day went well.   I had meal at about 1PM with a friend. Neither of us was enthusiastic about cooking or eating a big meal. She cooked a turkey breast and made a pumpkin pie.  I took a salad and home made LC cranberry sauce.   I had plenty of green salad and turkey with cranberry sauce.   No pie for me, it wasn’t low carb. About 6:30 my daughter and I met at Luby’s.   Daughter had to work yesterday.   I had another big slice of turkey breast with more cranberry sauce.   I carried in the cranberry sauce in a small container in my purse.  Veggies were spinach and slaw, I brought half of each home with me.   I did the "CAD for a day" thing too, I guess. I ate some supposedly sugar free pie, left the crust.   I don’t really trust "sugar free" stuff  eaten out to be truly sugar free, but it must have been pretty much so.  I didn’t have a hypoglycemic reaction to it, and am feeling no effects today. BTW,  I mentioned to one of the server’s that I was low carbing, and she was very understanding.   All in all,  I did pretty well I think, and I didn’t feel a bit deprived.  Happy day after Thanksgiving everyone.   Smiles,   Alpha

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Here’s my report on what we ate for Thanksgiving:  … My lower carb stuffing was delish – but next time I’ll add more chicken broth.  My mother wants the bread recipe, as she loves rye bread, and it doesn’t bother her the way wheat bread does.  If anybody wants the recipe, I’ll post it here – it comes out to about 7-8 carbs a slice, has a real bread texture (no rubber), and not a drop of soy in it.

Yes please. <g  I’ve been wanting to learn more about your Almond & Rye flour recipes after seeing other mentions. I’ve tried a couple of the Keto and Keteogenic breads and they are sooo disappointing.  I took a couple of bites of the Ketogenic Pumpernickel and threw the loaf away.  I was eating other, regular breads at the time because I had missed them so much (an easy reason to fall off the wagon).  Of the two, at least the Ketogenic Plain was the best.  I have a couple of boxes of the Golden Wheat but haven’t made bread since the Pumpernickel Incident. The breadmachine has tuned into a ‘flat-surface’ for storing other things. I also wanted to make some regular and LC Biscotti to send to family this year. Steve

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You’re so sweet Myra and you sound like you write for Cook’s Illustrated. Glad you had such a splendid holiday.

Thanks! Myra

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Yes please. <g  I’ve been wanting to learn more about your Almond & Rye flour recipes after seeing other mentions.

I’ll post it a bit later today.  It’s for a bread machine, but you can easily adapt it to bake in the traditional method. I’ve tried a couple of the Keto and Keteogenic breads and they are sooo disappointing.  

Most of the commercial low-carb bread mixes are not very good, with Carbolite being the absolute worst (it even smells bad while it’s baking).   Aspen Ice Cream makes prety good bagels and bread, but the loaves are small (the bagels are big, though).  Aspen’s products are pricey, and shipping is expensive, but if you want to buy already made bread products, Aspen’s the company I recommend. The breadmachine has tuned into a ‘flat-surface’ for storing other things.

<g I also wanted to make some regular and LC Biscotti to send to family this year.

I have a great biscotti recipe – that’s was one of the very first baked good recipes I ever developed.  I haven’t posted it in a long time, so I’ll put it up for you. Myra

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Sounds like a fabulous success Myra. My day went very well. I made deviled eggs to take to my daughters.  She did most of the cooking (I bought most of the food) so I think it was a very good deal.  I always make the gravy for her. We had all the traditional stuff, Turkey, Ham, sweet potatoes w marshmallows, green bean casserole, rolls, salad, vegie tray, mashed potatoes, gravy, cranberries, jello salad, etc. I had just finished a 3 day meat fast and somehow didn’t even care about trying to make a lot of lc versions of the old favorites.  I was very satisfied just having some turkey, ham, and cream cheese stuffed celery, olives, cauliflower and a couple of deviled eggs. Later when I got home I had a bit of cream cheese mixed with DaVinci chocolate syrup. The great thing about staying LC is the fact that when the non LC’rs were feeling that awful over-stuffed lazing feeling, I was feeling absolutely wonderful (even though I had only 3 hours sleep the night before)! I was also down another 1/2 lb this morning.  Yippeeeeeee! ConnieW Here’s my report on what we ate for Thanksgiving:

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Sounds wonderful, Myra!  I think you should be a food writer <g How wonderful that your neighbor was able to pop in, too! Say hi to Mom & Dad from cheesehead city here! allison aka psycho – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Here’s my report on what we ate for Thanksgiving: No gefilte fish.  <sniff  Oh well, at least we still had the chopped liver, which was wonderful.  If you’re not Jewish, you can call it pate!   <g The turkey was incredible.  It was smoked over mesquite, and the flavor of the wood goes right to the bone.  I had a wing, as is my wont, and quite a bit of skin. There were two kinds of candied dishes – one of regular candied sweet potatoes and the other a sugar-free candied squash for Mom and me.  The low-carb version was just incredible, and the regular kind was a big hit, too. One of our guests brought a green bean casserole with the little onion bits on the top.  I had a microbite, and it was pretty good!  I’ve never had that before (weird, huh?). I made a broccoli casserole from a recipe posted here, and it came out really nice – very tasty.  It was sort of a cross between a souffle and a crustless quichy thingie.  I may make another one to keep in the fridge for breakfast, as it’s quite eggy. The beans and broccoli must have been good because my non-green veggie eating father had two servings of both!  We were gobsmacked! My lower carb stuffing was delish – but next time I’ll add more chicken broth.  My mother wants the bread recipe, as she loves rye bread, and it doesn’t bother her the way wheat bread does.  If anybody wants the recipe, I’ll post it here – it comes out to about 7-8 carbs a slice, has a real bread texture (no rubber), and not a drop of soy in it. There was also regular cranberry sauce and my low-carb version, which was fine.  My mother asked to keep it (she likes it better than the canned stuff).   There were rolls, which I didn’t touch. Dessert was the pumpkin pie and orange-chocolate cheesecake.  The pumpkin pie was good, and the crust had a nice marizpany taste to it.  The cheesecake, however, was not a triumph.  It came out *flattened*, and it was *really* dense.  Also, while orange and chocolate may be a good combination in some desserts, it really doesn’t work for a cheesecake (although raspberry-chocolate does). I don’t know how the cheesecake bottomed out – could it be the Stevia?   Perhaps I overbeat the batter?  I don’t know. Along with dessert, we had decaf coffee with a smidge of heavy cream. And then, we womenfolk cleared the table and washed the dishes, made up goodie packages for everyone, and put away the leftovers. I got the other wing, a bunch of white meat (which I’ll turn into turkey salad and turkey, eggs & onions), and the rest of my dressing.  I left the broccoli casserole for my Dad, and the cranberry sauce for my Mom. Good company, good conversation, good food – all in all, a very nice Thanksgiving! But the *best* surprise of all happened when I first arrived.  My parents’ next-door neighbor, Sarah, has been in a convalescent home for several months, after she fell ill.  She’s a very sweet lady who reminds me of my grandmother (may she rest in peace), and we’ve been missing having her around. Imagine my shock when I came in the door and there was Sarah!  Her son and daughter-in-law had drive up from San Diego to take her out for Thanksgiving dinner, and they stopped by before taking her back to the hospital.  She looked really good – and just as good-natured and happy as ever.  What a thrill! So, I had something extra to be thankful for today. Myra

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I don’t know how the cheesecake bottomed out – could it be the Stevia?   Perhaps I overbeat the batter?  I don’t know. Myra

Myra, My Mom is a cheesecake maker, and her favorite is the Lunar Cheesecake out of the Cheesecake Bible. She whips the hell out of the batter when she makes it, so much so that when she puts it in a pan – the recipe specifies one 9" springform – she puts it in one 10" *and* one 6" springform. She uses a 5qt Kitchenaide mixer.      Mebbe it was the stevia – did you you the powder or the liquid? — SnowCat 5′10" 6/27/01 225/188/207.5/186/165 35.9%/32.7%/22% The Ice Wench – Peu de Noir Coeur Wench #48 Madame Cum Laude IDIC

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Sounds wonderful, Myra!  I think you should be a food writer <g

When I used to work for a newspaper the food section people were so snotty, I didn’t *want* to work with them! Say hi to Mom & Dad from cheesehead city here!

Did it already! Myra

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     Mebbe it was the stevia – did you you the powder or the liquid?

I’ve narrowed it down to either the stevia or the orange flavoring.  I used the white powdered stevia.  I even used a bain marie, so I should have had a light, fluffy cake. Sigh. Well, you can’t win them all! Myra

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Wow, everybody had really great dinners! I am still in induction (I guess) so I was very worried about going to my gamma’s for dinner, so after much stalling I packed a thermal lunch bag full of stuff I could eat. Took all the medications I have to take in order to be able to digest bird, and off I went. Everybody there was very interested in my LC diet and all of them told me exactly what ingredients went into each dish they brought. the really cool thing is I had a lot of turkey (first bird I’ve eaten in 10 years, on advice from one of the posters who said LC may change my medical condition of bad digestive system) I felt very good, and the medication held, I digested the Turkey just fine!!! I CAN EAT TURKEY NOW!!!!!! No more total vegan anymore : ) had a great visit with my 44 person family reunion patti

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<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But the *best* surprise of all happened when I first arrived.  My parents’ next-door neighbor, Sarah, has been in a convalescent home for several months, after she fell ill.  She’s a very sweet lady who reminds me of my grandmother (may she rest in peace), and we’ve been missing having her around. Imagine my shock when I came in the door and there was Sarah!  Her son and daughter-in-law had drive up from San Diego to take her out for Thanksgiving dinner, and they stopped by before taking her back to the hospital.  She looked really good – and just as good-natured and happy as ever.  What a thrill! So, I had something extra to be thankful for today. Myra

======= What a wonderful surprise! I had a nice Thanksgiving too.  A little over a year I bought this home with my sister and brother-in-law; we live here together along with my litttle nephew.  We all work long hours and different shifts and days of the week though, so we  *never* eat meals together. (being a manager in a service industry I usually work on holidays).This Thanksgiving, we amazingly all had the day off at the same time.  We all sat down at the table together for the first tiime in a  year! I’m still trying to figure something  out though … my sister and I cooked and served the meal; I set the table; after the meal she and I cleaned up and did the dishes while my brother-in-law and nephew went to watch TV.  How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating? — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page:  http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter

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I’m still trying to figure something out though … my sister and I cooked and served the meal; I set the table; after the meal she and I cleaned up and did the dishes while my brother-in-law and nephew went to watch TV.  How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating?

He’s married, so he doesn’t have to do that stuff anymore. <ducking Aaron — Extreme Systems Consulting – http://esc.pike.il.us/ CGI, Perl, and Linux/Unix Administration

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How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating?

First you have to find someone who is willing to cook, serve, and clean up after the meals, preferably someone who will do it  without complaint.    Then, you just do it.  Come to the table, eat, and leave.   It makes it easier if you are self-centered and inconsiderate.    Somehow I’ve never been able to get to be the one who just  eats and leaves either.    I haven’t prepared a big Holiday meal at home since the year  everyone showed up at different times, gobbled their food and then ran out the door.   If there had been a drive in window I don’t think they would have even come in the house.   The past few years I have either volunteered to help someone who is willing to have a family  meal at their house,  gone to a friend’s (family of choice),  or eaten out.  A few times I have even stayed home alone because that was what I preferred. Alpha

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I’m still trying to figure something out though … my sister and I cooked and served the meal; I set the table; after the meal she and I cleaned up and did the dishes while my brother-in-law and nephew went to watch TV.  How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating? He’s married, so he doesn’t have to do that stuff anymore. <ducking Aaron

Aaron,  I suggest you duck AND RUN.   Smiles, Alpha

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the really cool thing is I had a lot of turkey (first bird I’ve eaten in 10 years, on advice from one of the posters who said LC may change my medical condition of bad digestive system) I felt very good, and the medication held, I digested the Turkey just fine!!! I CAN EAT TURKEY NOW!!!!!! No more total vegan anymore : )

Happy Dance!! Do be careful and eat in moderation- no need to set it off again. But I am very happy for you! -georg

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How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating? —

yesterday (friday) was our little celebration, and thomas was stuck at the during one of our "catch up" calls, he apologized for not being home and helping in the kitchen with the meal preparation, and i informed him that the "cure" for my building resentment, was knowing that after dinner, i would not be setting one foot in the kitchen, and clean up was going to be CHARM! FINALLY, had a wonderful meal, AND dessert, and then watched TV while "the crew" did the clean up! — read and post daily! rosie "Some days, every aspect of my life seems overwhelming and crazy, and I feel so confused. On these days, I need to remember that I only have to do what needs to be done today."

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip But the *best* surprise of all happened when I first arrived.  My parents’ next-door neighbor, Sarah, has been in a convalescent home for several months, after she fell ill.  She’s a very sweet lady who reminds me of my grandmother (may she rest in peace), and we’ve been missing having her around. Imagine my shock when I came in the door and there was Sarah!  Her son and daughter-in-law had drive up from San Diego to take her out for Thanksgiving dinner, and they stopped by before taking her back to the hospital.  She looked really good – and just as good-natured and happy as ever.  What a thrill! So, I had something extra to be thankful for today. Myra ======= What a wonderful surprise! I had a nice Thanksgiving too.  A little over a year I bought this home with my sister and brother-in-law; we live here together along with my litttle nephew.  We all work long hours and different shifts and days of the week though, so we  *never* eat meals together. (being a manager in a service industry I usually work on holidays).This Thanksgiving, we amazingly all had the day off at the same time.  We all sat down at the table together for the first tiime in a  year! I’m still trying to figure something  out though … my sister and I cooked and served the meal; I set the table; after the meal she and I cleaned up and did the dishes while my brother-in-law and nephew went to watch TV.  How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating? — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page:  http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter

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 gone to a friend’s (family of choice),

I LOVE THIS! — read and post daily! rosie "Some days, every aspect of my life seems overwhelming and crazy, and I feel so confused. On these days, I need to remember that I only have to do what needs to be done today."

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating? First you have to find someone who is willing to cook, serve, and clean up after the meals, preferably someone who will do it  without complaint.    Then, you just do it.  Come to the table, eat, and leave.   It makes it easier if you are self-centered and inconsiderate.  Somehow I’ve never been able to get to be the one who just  eats and leaves either.    I haven’t prepared a big Holiday meal at home since the year  everyone showed up at different times, gobbled their food and then ran out the door.   If there had been a drive in window I don’t think they would have even come in the house. The past few years I have either volunteered to help someone who is willing to have a family  meal at their house,  gone to a friend’s (family of choice),  or eaten out.  A few times I have even stayed home alone because that was what I preferred. Alpha

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How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating? First you have to find someone who is willing to cook, serve, and clean up after the meals, preferably someone who will do it  without complaint.    Then, you just do it.  Come to the table, eat, and leave.   It makes it easier if you are self-centered and inconsiderate.  

The other way is to "help" with the cooking and cleaning, and do such a bad job of it, the others are glad to get rid of you  Next time, they’ll just run you out of the kitchen, and you can go watch your TV. Georgene Harkness

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The other way is to "help" with the cooking and cleaning, and do such a bad job of it, the others are glad to get rid of you  Next time, they’ll just run you out of the kitchen, and you can go watch your TV. Hey, quit giving away my secrets!

And all this time you thought I didn’t know your "secrets," didn’t you??? Men are *so* dense.  :-) Georgene

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The other way is to "help" with the cooking and cleaning, and do such a bad job of it, the others are glad to get rid of you  Next time, they’ll just run you out of the kitchen, and you can go watch your TV. Hey, quit giving away my secrets! And all this time you thought I didn’t know your "secrets," didn’t you??? Men are *so* dense.  :-) Georgene

If men are  *so* dense, why is it mostly women stuck in the kitchen cooking and cleanig up?   I think I’m by far the exception! <g — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page:  http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter

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We all sat down at the table together for the first tiime in a  year!

How nice! How do you get to be the one who just comes to the table when the food’s ready and leaves when you’re done eating?

Be a male in our family? We ladies cleaned up while the menfolk played computer games. We’re old fashioned that way…. Seriously, though, the assistant’s son was doing little fix-it jobs around my parents’ home, so he was already busy. My father’s essential tremor precludes him from handling wet dishes.   That, and he just doesn’t do housework.  Ever.  Except make the bed. Myra

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My father’s essential tremor precludes him from handling wet dishes. That, and he just doesn’t do housework.  Ever.  Except make the bed. Myra

I tried using the fact that I’ve had a stroke as an excuse to get out of helpig with the dishes; it didn’t fly.  I was told that it would be excellent physical therapy … <g — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page:  http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter

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I CAN EAT TURKEY NOW!!!!!!

Oh, this is *so* cool!  I saw all those posts telling you that you may be okay with meat, but I didn’t want to say anything – God forbid you ate some meat and got sick on *my* recommendation, but this is just great! Many people on low carb find it wasn’t the meat or fat, but the wheat that was making them ill. Anyway, I think this calls for something special.  This is me doing a happy dance just for you: Shimmy…jump…jump…Egyptian wavy thingy…twist…trip over the light fantastic…wave…Egyptian wavy thingy…hop…tango…rearrange books in alphabetical order by second chapter…lunge…daintily collapse into heap on floor… YAY! Myra

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Here’s my report on what we ate for Thanksgiving: No gefilte fish.  <sniff  Oh well, at least we still had the chopped liver, which was wonderful.  If you’re not Jewish, you can call it pate!   <g The turkey was incredible.  It was smoked over mesquite, and the flavor of the wood goes right to the bone.  I had a wing, as is my wont, and quite a bit of skin. There were two kinds of candied dishes – one of regular candied sweet potatoes and the other a sugar-free candied squash for Mom and me.  The low-carb version was just incredible, and the regular kind was a big hit, too. One of our guests brought a green bean casserole with the little onion bits on the top.  I had a microbite, and it was pretty good!  I’ve never had that before (weird, huh?). I made a broccoli casserole from a recipe posted here, and it came out really nice – very tasty.  It was sort of a cross between a souffle and a crustless quichy thingie.  I may make another one to keep in the fridge for breakfast, as it’s quite eggy. The beans and broccoli must have been good because my non-green veggie eating father had two servings of both!  We were gobsmacked! My lower carb stuffing was delish – but next time I’ll add more chicken broth.  My mother wants the bread recipe, as she loves rye bread, and it doesn’t bother her the way wheat bread does.  If anybody wants the recipe, I’ll post it here – it comes out to about 7-8 carbs a slice, has a real bread texture (no rubber), and not a drop of soy in it. There was also regular cranberry sauce and my low-carb version, which was fine.  My mother asked to keep it (she likes it better than the canned stuff).   There were rolls, which I didn’t touch. Dessert was the pumpkin pie and orange-chocolate cheesecake.  The pumpkin pie was good, and the crust had a nice marizpany taste to it.  The cheesecake, however, was not a triumph.  It came out *flattened*, and it was *really* dense.  Also, while orange and chocolate may be a good combination in some desserts, it really doesn’t work for a cheesecake (although raspberry-chocolate does). I don’t know how the cheesecake bottomed out – could it be the Stevia?   Perhaps I overbeat the batter?  I don’t know. Along with dessert, we had decaf coffee with a smidge of heavy cream. And then, we womenfolk cleared the table and washed the dishes, made up goodie packages for everyone, and put away the leftovers. I got the other wing, a bunch of white meat (which I’ll turn into turkey salad and turkey, eggs & onions), and the rest of my dressing.  I left the broccoli casserole for my Dad, and the cranberry sauce for my Mom. Good company, good conversation, good food – all in all, a very nice Thanksgiving! But the *best* surprise of all happened when I first arrived.  My parents’ next-door neighbor, Sarah, has been in a convalescent home for several months, after she fell ill.  She’s a very sweet lady who reminds me of my grandmother (may she rest in peace), and we’ve been missing having her around. Imagine my shock when I came in the door and there was Sarah!  Her son and daughter-in-law had drive up from San Diego to take her out for Thanksgiving dinner, and they stopped by before taking her back to the hospital.  She looked really good – and just as good-natured and happy as ever.  What a thrill! So, I had something extra to be thankful for today. Myra

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    Uh, just a thought. How high a dose of thyroid hormones are you on? T3 ? T4? Both maybe? The reason I ask is that if you are on too high a dose you can get shaky BUT when I was extremely hypo I shook pretty bad too. I never took Xanax, I take Valium. I think it is gentler on the system than Xanax. Do you take in much caffeine in the course of a day? Caffeine will make your hands tremble too. The adrenals can cause problems and often go hand in hand with thyroid problems, just another thing to consider.     Being a guy, I can’t vouch for if menopause would cause this but I can tell you I’ve never heard of it, even though it can do some strange things so I don’t discount that either ( I told you I might not have a good answer for you ).     Did you by chance have a recent copy of any tests you had done? Posting them here will get you replies that might be a bit more revealing or at least tell you a bit more about what is going on. "PowerPoster" <powerpos…@nospam.com

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replacement,

or who took xanax – do any of the women reading this have menopausal symptoms at the same

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HI Suze, I better leave someone who knows more about thyroid to answer your post but I thought I would let the US readers know that the  CES you mention is a plant based conjugated estrogen similiar to Cenestin sold in the US. I’ve also removed the other newsgroup for this reply. Kathryn kathr…@telus.net On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:07:46 GMT, "PowerPoster" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<powerpos…@nospam.com

wrote: I went to my dr. today to get the results of my blood test last week. He won’t give them on the phone. It was very hard driving there, I have constant tremors and they are worsening. However, he dismissed them as well as my shivering and arm and leg weakness, these all have been with me only since early Feb, for no known reason. For the first time he chose not to order a TSH – only a free T4. So, it was 20.8. Normal range is 10.5 to 20.0, so it is just slightly high, but that then might explain why I have felt attacks of hyper adrenaline? And yet, I have felt ill and almost comatose on a lower dose, previously, and was attempting not to be hypothyroid. But he says that 100 mcg is too high and 75 would be too low, so I must now take .88. My last test a few months ago, the free t4 was 18 or high normal, and I was taking 100 then too, and told to stay on 100. Then I was switched by my endocrinologist to a combo of T4 and T3, which was excessive and made me have more heart pounding than usual, and I stopped the T3. I also felt hypo on the divided dose .50-T4, .12-T3 regimen, but more T3 seemed to make me have more sudden bursts of heart pounding. Even with the combined dose, the equivalent I tried to get was 100 mcg a day as it seemed to make me feel less ill and less hypo than other doses. I have years of journals to analyze for symptoms and doses; it has not helped me find an answer. It is always either too high or too low, with a euthyroid feeling appearing so rarely that maybe 2 or 3 times in ten years I have felt it and diarized it as a massively red letter day, virtually a feeling of euphoria. This euthyroid is the way I felt for the rest of my life  the first 45 years until the diseases started. Just able to function and feeling well. So my T4 is slightly high, and I should therefore not have hypo symptoms, which I do still have – feeling suddenly sleepy at any time and falling asleep for an hour or two. (Yet I have insomnia late at night, and spells of hyper, surging, too much unuseable adrenaline coursing through me). Swelling feet and legs, no appetite, hair falling out in my brush and when I wash it in huge clumps, trouble with digestion when I do eat, but the number one hypo symptom I have day and night is freezing cold, shivering, every day, unrelated to the temperature, that nothing will warm up until it passes. It’s an internal thing.  The constant tremors are not always shivering from cold…sometimes I have them together. These are NOT hyper symptoms so why would I think the dose was too high? My basal temperataure, when I get up, has ranged from 97.3 to 98.2, which I believe is normal according to Dr. Broda Barnes. One would think my dose was good. In the past the temperature was in the 96 range, and yet I felt better then, at a lower dose, though I had the hypo symptoms. Someone posted the query, which would you rather be – hypo or hyper? Choosing between them is something I have always had to do, and each one becomes horrific, causing me to go the other way for a time. Can this constant seesawing be causing the new problems? If one has to choose, hypo is less debilitating and life-destroying. One gets fat with painful joints, and slow, and placid, and confused, but there is a calm. And yet, then one is wistful for the energetic bursts, relative fit body and occasional clear thinking one did have even with the accompanying high anxiety, nervous state. As I am trying to explain, now I seem to be both hyper and hypo, but the test says slightly hyper. Besides the T4 test I had an FSH test. A year or so ago it was still normal, 22, now it is 47, which is out of range. Though I have had perimenopausal symptoms – severe ones, and all of them, for 6 years now, my tests were always in the normal range until now. So he gave me estrogen – CES, a ‘natural’ plant based one. He said more women were against Premarin now (which I used to be, but now I don’t care – I just want relief). I will take them, what else can I do? Hoping it will help. I studied this 3 or 4 years ago and was even given both Premarin and CES by doctors at the time of my hot flashes but I did not have good results and stopped them. Now that the hormone levels have changed maybe this is the answer. Does anyone have experience with CES? I have become a querulous, middle aged woman whom no one wants to know about, I suddenly realized in his office when facing his contempt and his lack of sympathy for me as a person, and his dismissing my complete worsening in the last 2 months…..his restating what he always states: "We’ll have to see if this gets the thyroid in range…" In ten years nothing has worked, and currently I am worse than ever before. My health has deteriorated drastically since around last October. The pains, weakness, unsteadiness, tremor are considered ‘essential tremor’ by a neurologist, and fibromyalgia by a rheumatologist, but there is NO treatment for these…until I take the .88 T4 for a while and if I don’t improve then my g.p. will give me a form of propanolol. This is the same thing I took when I first got Graves’ disease in 1989 and before the radiation. Why is this happening? If the T4 level is so  high then why not just stop the thyroid and become completely hypothyroid, that will calm me and make me placid like a cow, and overweight….which is what happened last year, i basically had ONLY intense muscle pain and hot flashes most of the time. No anxiety or heart pounding attacks, tremors or shivering. I don’t MIND hot flashes. I wish that was all I did have again. I learned to accept and deal with them. I cannot deal with a head tremor and weak muscles. Even my jaw feels sprained after chewing; I cannot hold a cup with one hand. If 100 was such a massive dose that it makes me hyper, then why the combined symptoms which include hypo items like hair loss, cold, confusion, cognitive problems with words and memory, and the rest? My God, I am at the end of my rope, and other than an expensive holistic doctor or naturopath, who might have an insight and might just be a quack, there is nowhere else to turn. It is not a simple matter to change doctors. I can barely stand to go to the ones I do have, that already know my complicated case. It is an ordeal, as everything is such an effort now. But my mind objects, wanting a way out of this nightmare. There surely is a first cause somewhere….the only one I know of is the Graves’ disease, the hyperthyroid suddenly in 1989. Everything else followed. I’ve said this before, I was an energetic, smart, normal looking and successful working mother with many friends and a full life and unbounded energy. And after the treatment I still functioned until 1996 when my body just began to be unable to function. The menopausal stuff began in 1994 and yes I did get worse after that, but nothing helped, and by 1996 I was too disabled to work. Four years now have been lost from my life because of iatrogenic disease. My psychiatrist says it is iatrogenic – doctor-caused. Wrong treatment, wrong pills. I no longer have a thyroid, and nothing replaces it correctly. He just listens to me – he cannot help the physical things and the doctors will not. He gives me Xanax, but i worry that it only makes it worse in the long run, causing rebound anxiety when not taken, as it messes up the GABA receptors in the brain. Yet, I guess I will still rely on it for the worst of the spells I have. Without any thyroid of course I cannot survive, but no combination or amount has worked for long, and these other worse conditions have happened one after another including 3 root canals needed for abcesses in the last year, and continued tooth pain. Despite no sugar in my diet for a year. I read in a doctor’s waiting room once that estrogen is used for every part of the body including the teeth. If that is the case could my tooth problems, nerve problems and the rest all be part of the menopause? I was once an expert on this, I wrote a paper on it that was published to high praise, and now I am too confused to figure it out, as nothing makes sense anymore, and my case does not fit any I read about. I don’t even have hot flashes most of the time and they were not a serious problem for me, in retrospect. I do periodically for a few months and then none. The cold spells and shivering are the thing now. And that totally indicates more thyroid needed, and yet the test shows no, I have even excess T4 in the blood. Any ideas, please, would be welcome. I also have fibromyalgia, and iGa nephropathy, both considered nothing by the medical profession, but those were the diagnoses. I live with constant back pain, but that does not affect my life the way the lack of stable hormones does. I lost 35 pounds since last May, when I deliberately lowered my food intake and did yoga. I continue at the lower weight, but do not lose more as I eat everything I feel like now since I so seldom have any appetite and since food causes indigestion. I felt better when I was obese, but I didn’t like the way I looked. Was it a mistake to diet? I no longer have knee problems, as my doctor promised when the weight came off, and my heel spur also went away. If being obese would restore my stable constitution though I’d do it again, except I am now unable to overeat to the required extent, my digestion won’t allow it. I was told to take Xanax, in November, for the attacks of heart pounding and surging which started

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I went to my dr. today to get the results of my blood test last week. He won’t give them on the phone. It was very hard driving there, I have constant tremors and they are worsening. However, he dismissed them as well as my shivering and arm and leg weakness, these all have been with me only since early Feb, for no known reason. For the first time he chose not to order a TSH – only a free T4. So, it was 20.8. Normal range is 10.5 to 20.0, so it is just slightly high, but that then might explain why I have felt attacks of hyper adrenaline? And yet, I have felt ill and almost comatose on a lower dose, previously, and was attempting not to be hypothyroid. But he says that 100 mcg is too high and 75 would be too low, so I must now take .88. My last test a few months ago, the free t4 was 18 or high normal, and I was taking 100 then too, and told to stay on 100. Then I was switched by my endocrinologist to a combo of T4 and T3, which was excessive and made me have more heart pounding than usual, and I stopped the T3. I also felt hypo on the divided dose .50-T4, .12-T3 regimen, but more T3 seemed to make me have more sudden bursts of heart pounding. Even with the combined dose, the equivalent I tried to get was 100 mcg a day as it seemed to make me feel less ill and less hypo than other doses. I have years of journals to analyze for symptoms and doses; it has not helped me find an answer. It is always either too high or too low, with a euthyroid feeling appearing so rarely that maybe 2 or 3 times in ten years I have felt it and diarized it as a massively red letter day, virtually a feeling of euphoria. This euthyroid is the way I felt for the rest of my life  the first 45 years until the diseases started. Just able to function and feeling well. So my T4 is slightly high, and I should therefore not have hypo symptoms, which I do still have – feeling suddenly sleepy at any time and falling asleep for an hour or two. (Yet I have insomnia late at night, and spells of hyper, surging, too much unuseable adrenaline coursing through me). Swelling feet and legs, no appetite, hair falling out in my brush and when I wash it in huge clumps, trouble with digestion when I do eat, but the number one hypo symptom I have day and night is freezing cold, shivering, every day, unrelated to the temperature, that nothing will warm up until it passes. It’s an internal thing.  The constant tremors are not always shivering from cold…sometimes I have them together. These are NOT hyper symptoms so why would I think the dose was too high? My basal temperataure, when I get up, has ranged from 97.3 to 98.2, which I believe is normal according to Dr. Broda Barnes. One would think my dose was good. In the past the temperature was in the 96 range, and yet I felt better then, at a lower dose, though I had the hypo symptoms. Someone posted the query, which would you rather be – hypo or hyper? Choosing between them is something I have always had to do, and each one becomes horrific, causing me to go the other way for a time. Can this constant seesawing be causing the new problems? If one has to choose, hypo is less debilitating and life-destroying. One gets fat with painful joints, and slow, and placid, and confused, but there is a calm. And yet, then one is wistful for the energetic bursts, relative fit body and occasional clear thinking one did have even with the accompanying high anxiety, nervous state. As I am trying to explain, now I seem to be both hyper and hypo, but the test says slightly hyper. Besides the T4 test I had an FSH test. A year or so ago it was still normal, 22, now it is 47, which is out of range. Though I have had perimenopausal symptoms – severe ones, and all of them, for 6 years now, my tests were always in the normal range until now. So he gave me estrogen – CES, a ‘natural’ plant based one. He said more women were against Premarin now (which I used to be, but now I don’t care – I just want relief). I will take them, what else can I do? Hoping it will help. I studied this 3 or 4 years ago and was even given both Premarin and CES by doctors at the time of my hot flashes but I did not have good results and stopped them. Now that the hormone levels have changed maybe this is the answer. Does anyone have experience with CES? I have become a querulous, middle aged woman whom no one wants to know about, I suddenly realized in his office when facing his contempt and his lack of sympathy for me as a person, and his dismissing my complete worsening in the last 2 months…..his restating what he always states: "We’ll have to see if this gets the thyroid in range…" In ten years nothing has worked, and currently I am worse than ever before. My health has deteriorated drastically since around last October. The pains, weakness, unsteadiness, tremor are considered ‘essential tremor’ by a neurologist, and fibromyalgia by a rheumatologist, but there is NO treatment for these…until I take the .88 T4 for a while and if I don’t improve then my g.p. will give me a form of propanolol. This is the same thing I took when I first got Graves’ disease in 1989 and before the radiation. Why is this happening? If the T4 level is so  high then why not just stop the thyroid and become completely hypothyroid, that will calm me and make me placid like a cow, and overweight….which is what happened last year, i basically had ONLY intense muscle pain and hot flashes most of the time. No anxiety or heart pounding attacks, tremors or shivering. I don’t MIND hot flashes. I wish that was all I did have again. I learned to accept and deal with them. I cannot deal with a head tremor and weak muscles. Even my jaw feels sprained after chewing; I cannot hold a cup with one hand. If 100 was such a massive dose that it makes me hyper, then why the combined symptoms which include hypo items like hair loss, cold, confusion, cognitive problems with words and memory, and the rest? My God, I am at the end of my rope, and other than an expensive holistic doctor or naturopath, who might have an insight and might just be a quack, there is nowhere else to turn. It is not a simple matter to change doctors. I can barely stand to go to the ones I do have, that already know my complicated case. It is an ordeal, as everything is such an effort now. But my mind objects, wanting a way out of this nightmare. There surely is a first cause somewhere….the only one I know of is the Graves’ disease, the hyperthyroid suddenly in 1989. Everything else followed. I’ve said this before, I was an energetic, smart, normal looking and successful working mother with many friends and a full life and unbounded energy. And after the treatment I still functioned until 1996 when my body just began to be unable to function. The menopausal stuff began in 1994 and yes I did get worse after that, but nothing helped, and by 1996 I was too disabled to work. Four years now have been lost from my life because of iatrogenic disease. My psychiatrist says it is iatrogenic – doctor-caused. Wrong treatment, wrong pills. I no longer have a thyroid, and nothing replaces it correctly. He just listens to me – he cannot help the physical things and the doctors will not. He gives me Xanax, but i worry that it only makes it worse in the long run, causing rebound anxiety when not taken, as it messes up the GABA receptors in the brain. Yet, I guess I will still rely on it for the worst of the spells I have. Without any thyroid of course I cannot survive, but no combination or amount has worked for long, and these other worse conditions have happened one after another including 3 root canals needed for abcesses in the last year, and continued tooth pain. Despite no sugar in my diet for a year. I read in a doctor’s waiting room once that estrogen is used for every part of the body including the teeth. If that is the case could my tooth problems, nerve problems and the rest all be part of the menopause? I was once an expert on this, I wrote a paper on it that was published to high praise, and now I am too confused to figure it out, as nothing makes sense anymore, and my case does not fit any I read about. I don’t even have hot flashes most of the time and they were not a serious problem for me, in retrospect. I do periodically for a few months and then none. The cold spells and shivering are the thing now. And that totally indicates more thyroid needed, and yet the test shows no, I have even excess T4 in the blood. Any ideas, please, would be welcome. I also have fibromyalgia, and iGa nephropathy, both considered nothing by the medical profession, but those were the diagnoses. I live with constant back pain, but that does not affect my life the way the lack of stable hormones does. I lost 35 pounds since last May, when I deliberately lowered my food intake and did yoga. I continue at the lower weight, but do not lose more as I eat everything I feel like now since I so seldom have any appetite and since food causes indigestion. I felt better when I was obese, but I didn’t like the way I looked. Was it a mistake to diet? I no longer have knee problems, as my doctor promised when the weight came off, and my heel spur also went away. If being obese would restore my stable constitution though I’d do it again, except I am now unable to overeat to the required extent, my digestion won’t allow it. I was told to take Xanax, in November, for the attacks of heart pounding and surging which started in October out of the blue. I took it only sporadically as needed for the worst, then was told to take it every day once the tremors became a daily problem, no matter how I felt, but that did not eliminate the tremors. It just makes me apathetic and totally cut off from the world, mentally it shuts down the brain, which no longer cares. As I don’t like that feeling, I don’t take it in big doses as recommended. I wondered if any of this new stuff was really xanax withdrawal or reaction, as it is known to be highly addictive even … read more »

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I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it.   Thanks. Penzack

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My understanding from everything I have read and talked to others is fogginess in the head is common and can take up to 2 weeks for the body to adjust to it. The appetite is probably the Ritalin.  That is a normal side effect.  My son has this too, but the Clonadine he takes at nite works well and I let him eat alot then.  He is 7 lbs. underweight. Regina … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Penzack

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Hi Penzack: I’ve been on Wellbutrin, and Dexedrine spansule ( long acting ) for six months, and haven’t encountered the side-effects you describe. Wellbutrin takes seven days to build up the blood levels to be effective. One possibility, might be simple anxiety ( that sounds sick ) but anxiety has a way of producing physical symptoms. The wellbutrin has actually helped me to reduce my anxiety. Let me know if I can be of more help. Regards, David. I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and

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Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time.

I didn’t take Wellbutrin, my son did.  All I can tell you is it takes time to build up in your system.  The psych said up to four weeks. Mark settled down after a few weeks.  We did find, however, after long term use (two years) Wellbutrin seemed to bring out an argumentative, agressive streak in him.  We had to take him off of it.  He’s the dreamy, inattentive ADHD type, with some depression (although that has thankfully begun to lift, I think with maturity.  He’s beginning to gain some control over his own life, and he’s happier for it.  He’s 18 now) — Ann Illegitimi non Carborundum annbal*at*thecia*dot*net

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Different people have different responses.  It often takes Wellbutrin a while to show any significant benefit–I’ve been on it 4 months now and I’m still seeing changes. I _wish_ Wellbutrin suppressed _my_ appetite.  On Ritalin, before it quit working for me, I managed to lose something like 30 pounds.  Since I’ve been on Wellbutrin I’ve gained that back and maybe a wee bit more. — — –John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Penzack

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away? Thanks. Penzack

Hi, Just wanted to mention here that I am using Wellbutrin SR for smoking cessation.  I was to take 2 pills a day, but had to cut back to 1, as I was getting dizzy spells, and could not sleep at night.  As for my appetite, I am just the opposite, I am gaining too much weight. As for the glazed look, I felt dopey, not tired, but all in all it has helped me in my quest to stop smoking.

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You might want to check out this web page "http://www.mayohealth.org/usp/html/202098b.htm".  It’s a clinical trial overview of the drug.   I’ve been taking wellbutrin for only about 3 to 4 weeks.  When my dose was initially doubled up to 300 mg per day (in 2 doses) boy, did I get some un-nerving side-effects!  Heavy dissiness that would come in waves, feeling quite ‘out of it’, yet being more interactive with others.  Strange huh?  I also noticed that I was having trouble maintaining my tolerance level, ("snapping out" more easily) I believe that this was caused also by the cesasion of paxil over the last couple of weeks as well (withdraw simptoms).   I was also having a great deal of trouble sleeping through the night — 12 to 7, became 2 – 4.   I was very concerned about the side effects, especially the waves of dissiness.  They seemed almost like a rush that would make my nerves tingle and my eyes want to roll back in my head.  After discussing them with my doctor she cut me back to 1/2 doses. I am going to continue with the medication because of its reputation of becoming more effective with less noticeable side-effects as time goes on. If you are concerned by all means talk to your doctor, perhaps he/she may be able to suggest something to help him through this tough time.  I hope that your son (as well as myself) soon start to notice the more positive effects of Wellbutrin. Hang in there.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You might want to check out this web page "http://www.mayohealth.org/usp/html/202098b.htm".  It’s a clinical trial overview of the drug.   I’ve been taking wellbutrin for only about 3 to 4 weeks.  When my dose was initially doubled up to 300 mg per day (in 2 doses) boy, did I get some un-nerving side-effects!  Heavy dissiness that would come in waves, feeling quite ‘out of it’, yet being more interactive with others.  Strange huh?  I also noticed that I was having trouble maintaining my tolerance level, ("snapping out" more easily) I believe that this was caused also by the cesasion of paxil over the last couple of weeks as well (withdraw simptoms). I was also having a great deal of trouble sleeping through the night — 12 to 7, became 2 – 4.   I was very concerned about the side effects, especially the waves of dissiness. They seemed almost like a rush that would make my nerves tingle and my eyes want to roll back in my head.  After discussing them with my doctor she cut me back to 1/2 doses. I am going to continue with the medication because of its reputation of becoming more effective with less noticeable side-effects as time goes on. If you are concerned by all means talk to your doctor, perhaps he/she may be able to suggest something to help him through this tough time.  I hope that your son (as well as myself) soon start to notice the more positive effects of Wellbutrin. Hang in there.

I am not against Wellbutrin, please don’t take this post that way. I just want to point out that Wellbutrin, like ANY medication or herbal supplement should be tested on you in low doses before you make a decision on whether it is for you. I nearly had a heart attack on 5mg of Wellbutrin.. because of an allergic reaction. My sister stopped eating altogether when they put her on it. Please, everyone, be safe. ~Wendy

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out: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away? Thanks. Penzack Hi, Just wanted to mention here that I am using Wellbutrin SR for smoking cessation.  I was to take 2 pills a day, but had to cut back to 1, as I was getting dizzy spells, and could not sleep at night.  As for my appetite, I am just the opposite, I am gaining too much weight. As for the glazed look, I felt dopey, not tired, but all in all it has helped me in my quest to stop smoking.

Wellbutrin was the first drug that I took for treatment of my ADD and depression. It worked pretty well in the short time that I took it – it really helped my concentration, and I liked the appetite suppression aspect of it since I’m overweight, but my body just couldn’t tolerate it. I got dizzy, sleepy yet hyper at the same time, nervous, shaky, headachey, and just a feeling of sickness and toxicity – a bad taste in my mouth. I put up with it for a while, tried cutting back the dosage, but it only kept getting worse. I think my body just wasn’t excreting it well. Wellbutrin is in a class by itself. It’s not like any other drug. From what I understand, it’s not a reuptake inhibitor, and they are unsure as to what exactly the action is that it takes to make seratonin, norepenephrin and dopamine more available. Although it’s classed as an antidepressant, it actually acts like a stimulant on the CNS. Personally I don’t do too well on stimulants. Low doses of caffiene and dexedrine, ritalin, etc, don’t have much effect. Higher doses start to have a beneficial, calming effect, helping my concentration, etc, but then after a time I start to get sick, dizzy, nervous, headachey, etc etc, and the symptoms get progressively worse, as if it’s building up in my body and not being excreted, and making me sick. But in general I think I have a pretty sensitive system. In all the drugs I’ve tried since (Nortriptaline, Prozac, Effexor) I’ve only ever needed the lowest dose of the drug for effectiveness. I know people who take Wellbutrin and do great on it. I have a young cousin who takes it for ADD and it has had no negative side effects. My ex-husband takes it for alcohol addiction, and he said the only side effect was the loss of appetite. I would say that if the bad side effects, the dizziness and such continue, and you don’t seem to be getting any positive effects, then talk to your doctor about switching to something else. There are many other drugs out there you can try if Wellbutrin doesn’t work. wherever, at primenet dot com wherever you are…there you go.

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I have a 7yr old child who is on Ritalin, Clonidine and Wellbutrin 150mg SR once daily.  It will take up to 4 weeks before your body starts to effectively absorb the medication and then you will start to see results. it is a slow progress, you can’t expect to notice a difference in just a few days.  Just don’t give up.

s.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 7 yr old was put on Wellbutrin 100mg a day.  We have seen great improvement.  He was taking Effexor for a while and I never did see the change.  With the Wellbutrin, it took probably 1-2 weeks to see a difference.  My son was talking about suicide and how everyone hated him and he couldn’t do anything right.  On the Wellbutrin, I haven’t heard hardly any depressive comments.  It’s been great.  But if you stick with it a while and you can’t tell a difference, try something else.  It’s my opinion that medications effect everyone differently. I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days. My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Penzack

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My 7 yr old was put on Wellbutrin 100mg a day.  We have seen great improvement.  He was taking Effexor for a while and I never did see the change.  With the Wellbutrin, it took probably 1-2 weeks to see a difference.  My son was talking about suicide and how everyone hated him and he couldn’t do anything right.  On the Wellbutrin, I haven’t heard hardly any depressive comments.  It’s been great.  But if you stick with it a while and you can’t tell a difference, try something else.  It’s my opinion that medications effect everyone differently. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it.   Thanks. Penzack

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Add another one to that number–numbers are my game!  I have a degree in mathematics, and have made a living in the past both teaching math, and working as both a technical typist and an administrative assistant in the research area.  I do all the gathering and tabulating numbers for the taxes, etc. for our repair service business that my husband and I run!  And I have had migraines for about 40 years now! Barbara — Barbara Lemmond – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, maybe that’s something that goes with migraines too!  I enjoy tabulating and typing too. <g Vicky , Must be the "type A" migraine personality in us coming out!  LOL Judy

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Vicky , Must be the "type A" migraine personality in us coming out!  LOL

<Helen A+!!! </Helen butting (went to http://www.peterzale.com and fell in love…)         (oh, that’s a different Helen, btw…) — Bryce Utting                          http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~butting                 the cross before me, the world behind me                              no turning back

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Ingrid… I don’t know if you’re still taking results of the survey, but just in case….I had to add my two cents… Low BP (90/60) Cold Extremities Low Temperature (c. 97.4 degrees) Insomnia Fatigue Sinus problems Acute senses (hearing, smell, touch) Seziures Benign brain cyst Bruxism Mitral Valve Prolapse PTSD Good idea taking this survey! Thanks for taking the time to tabulate eveything…. Raven Cultural Advisor ~ Ceili Convention Committee The Once and Future Con ~ 12-14 June 1998 http://www.mindwell.com/~anubis/oafc "From this life to the next…."

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Hey, maybe that’s something that goes with migraines too!  I enjoy tabulating and typing too. <g

Vicky , Must be the "type A" migraine personality in us coming out!  LOL Judy

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See…..now *there* is a survey that Mario and I could take part in!!!! Bob

Gee, that sounds even more fun!!

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Vicky , Must be the "type A" migraine personality in us coming out!  LOL

<Helen A+!!! </Helen butting (went to http://www.peter-zale.com and fell in love…) — Bryce Utting                          http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~butting                 the cross before me, the world behind me                              no turning back

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PS, I’m glad you thought this was fun…I now know I have a kindred soul here (and one whose hubby has the same sick sense of humor mine does! LOL!)

Hey, maybe that’s something that goes with migraines too!  I enjoy tabulating and typing too. <g — Vicky

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JLR) writes: the same sick sense of humor mine does! LOL!)

See…..now *there* is a survey that Mario and I could take part in!!!! Bob Never Blame the Rainbows for the Rain [J.H.& R.T.]

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PTSD                        1       What is that?          

PTSD=Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

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Ingrid, Nice job on this!.  I’m curious about a couple of things… I’m guessing that the female:male ratio on this is pretty high…do you happen to know?  Also, am wondering if you just looked at those with the low BP, are there other prevalant symptoms going along with that… i.e., how many with low BP have cold extremities, low temperature, etc?  Again, thanks for doing this! Judy PS, I’m glad you thought this was fun…I now know I have a kindred soul here (and one whose hubby has the same sick sense of humor mine does! LOL!)

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PTSD                    1       What is that?

I will take a stab at it and say Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? Ingrid — — My house is maintained for the comfort of my dogs, if you don’t like it – leave. —

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Summary:                50 total responses               Low BP                  36      2 high BP       Gastric Problems        18      Did not separate out for IBS             Cold Extremities        17               Low Temperature 13      2 high   Insomnia                12               Fast Pulse              12               Allergies               10               Fatigue                 10               Depression              9               Raynauds Syndrome       6               Sinus Problems          6               Acute Senses            5       I lumped smell, hearing and sensitive eye               Endometriosis           5               Asthma                  4               Disc Problems           3               Geographic Tongue       3               Anxiety                 2               Fibromyalgia            2               Motion Sickness 2               Osteoarthritis          2               Seizures                2               Vasomotor Rhinitis      2               ARAD/S          1       My almost son-in-law has that!           Benign Essential Tremor 1               Blood Clots             1               Bruxism         1               Gallbladder             1               Low Thyroid             1               Mitral Valve Prolapse   1               PTSD                    1       What is that?           Rheumatic Fever 1               Shingles                1               Urinary Tract problems  1 From reading other threads I was under the impression that more people had seizures. Unfortunately, I could realistically only tabulate those under the "Common" thread. I left out symptoms occurring during migraines, since we were looking for "other" common problems. I still find the incidence of low BP amazing and was especially interested that a German doctor felt it should be treated. When I was home in Germany over Christmas my Mom’s doctor asked me what I was being treated with for the low BP. She was quite shocked that the doctors in the US don’t seem to think it important. This was fun! Ingrid           — — My house is maintained for the comfort of my dogs, if you don’t like it – leave. —

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Anyone have good ways of dealing with sexual dysfunction as a side effect from meds? Thanks, Rick Wagner You haven’t mentioned the meds you are on.  If youwant an informed answer please provide adequate information. Roy 46, still bipolar, and tried EVERY med you ever even heard of.

Presently on Depakote and Effexor. Didn’t mention particular med because so many seem to have this effect. I know I had the problem on at least Paxil and Triavil in combo with various others. Rick

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Roy 46, still bipolar, and tried EVERY med you ever even heard of.

Um, two things:   How about carbamide peroxide? (No fair looking in your Merck or PDR.)   Roy, you wrote a rather contradictory signature in another recent message.   You wrote "still bipolar, but getting very depressed" — the "but" implies   that you somehow make a distinction between depression and one of the   poles that make up "bipolar".  Now, this distinction might make no   difference whatsoever to you, however if you replace "but" with "and",   well, I reckon you know what is most effective for you. Zoz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have good ways of dealing with sexual dysfunction as a side effect from meds? Thanks, Rick Wagner Rick: I had the same problem on anti-depressants such as Prozac,Effexor, Zolloft etc. I switched to Serzone and found that the problem is nearly non-existent( after 2 years of dysfunction I do believe that I have some residual psychologcal dysfunction at times). Also the nurses at my PDoc’s office said that there is a drug to help this…ask your Doc. Good Luck Joe I was like both of you,sexual dysfunction,my doc put me on Wellbutrin and  no more dysfunction!….Bill

Wellbutrin, effexor and zoloft increased my sexual feelings greatly. Unfortunately they made me cycle about every hour! Too bad! julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have good ways of dealing with sexual dysfunction as a side effect from meds? Thanks, Rick Wagner I was like both of you,sexual dysfunction,my doc put me on Wellbutrin and  no more dysfunction!….Bill Wellbutrin, effexor and zoloft increased my sexual feelings greatly. Unfortunately they made me cycle about every hour! Too bad! julie

Wellbutrin kicked my sex drive into overdrive, too – my husband loves it! I also heard recently that a new drug, Wellbutrin SR, is being submitted to the FDA for approval. It is not supposed to have the sexual side effects that Wellbutrin has. My question is, why would anyone want to take it? But seriously, has anyone out there ever experienced _adverse_ sexual side effects on Wellbutrin? nancy

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Nancy, I too have had very positive reaction on Wellbutrin. I had been on a "sexual desert" with Effexor and Zoloft. Effexor stopped my monthly cycle for the 5 months that I took it also…. Good Luck,  Sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Anyone have good ways of dealing with sexual dysfunction as a side effect from meds? Thanks, Rick Wagner I was like both of you,sexual dysfunction,my doc put me on Wellbutrin and  no more dysfunction!….Bill Wellbutrin, effexor and zoloft increased my sexual feelings greatly. Unfortunately they made me cycle about every hour! Too bad! julie Wellbutrin kicked my sex drive into overdrive, too – my husband loves it! I also heard recently that a new drug, Wellbutrin SR, is being submitted to the FDA for approval. It is not supposed to have the sexual side effects that Wellbutrin has. My question is, why would anyone want to take it? But seriously, has anyone out there ever experienced _adverse_ sexual side effects on Wellbutrin? nancy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have good ways of dealing with sexual dysfunction as a side effect from meds? Thanks, Rick Wagner Rick: I had the same problem on anti-depressants such as Prozac,Effexor, Zolloft etc. I switched to Serzone and found that the problem is nearly non-existent( after 2 years of dysfunction I do believe that I have some residual psychologcal dysfunction at times). Also the nurses at my PDoc’s office said that there is a drug to help this…ask your Doc. Good Luck Joe

I was like both of you,sexual dysfunction,my doc put me on Wellbutrin and  no more dysfunction!….Bill

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Anyone have good ways of dealing with sexual dysfunction as a side effect from meds? Several of our standard meds cause various problems. Between my wife’s meds and mine, we have managed to (sort of) have sex twice in the past year. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Wagner

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Anyone have good ways of dealing with sexual dysfunction as a side effect from meds? Thanks, Rick Wagner

Rick: I had the same problem on anti-depressants such as Prozac,Effexor, Zolloft etc. I switched to Serzone and found that the problem is nearly non-existent( after 2 years of dysfunction I do believe that I have some residual psychologcal dysfunction at times). Also the nurses at my PDoc’s office said that there is a drug to help this…ask your Doc. Good Luck Joe

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