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BD Jitters

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Dear Iris, The best way to avoid this problem is to use a preventive inhaler that reduces your need for bronchodilator. How often do you use the bronchodilator? Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris —

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Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward.

I have found that using a spacer helps. When I am at home I always use an ‘Optihaler’ spacer with my BD. Otherwise my already poor handwriting becomes totally unreadable.

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Dear Iris, The best way to avoid this problem is to use a preventive inhaler that reduces your need for bronchodilator. How often do you use the bronchodilator? Ken

Hi Ken: I’m also on Pulmicort and since I’ve only been on these meds a little over two weeks I have noticed I need the BD less and less. But it still gives me the jitters and I still need it before I exericise in very hot or very cold weather so that’s at least 4-5x/week right now. This morning was the first morning in about 5 days that I woke up and felt I needed the BD. It was also the most humid and hot mornign we’ve had so far this year, so I guess there’s a connection. Iris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris

Well, if ya can’t stop the jitters, at least have fun with them: 1. Hold a glass of milk and ice cream in your hand. Use your BD, and in a few minutes, you have a milkshake 2. Pretend you’re on the Comedy Central show Dr. Katz. 3. Take your BD. Go to work, and complain about the job stress. Mention that you have a subscription to Soldier of Fortune. When you are shaking the most, ask your boss for a vacation. 4. Two words: Human vibrator. 5. Clean the house. You’ll get it done twice as fast. 6. Scare people on the subway. This won’t work if you live in New York though. They’re used to everything. The scary thing is, I’m so used to the jitters, I can write neatly while shaking like a jumping bean. Woodinat Joel: What do you want for Christmas, Crow? Crow: I wanna decide who lives and who dies Joel: Oh, I don’t know…

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ROFLMAO & PMP! If you can’t laugh at it, you’re sunk! -Joopie

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I can only reiterate that Tornalate is a good beta agonist inhaler for me. I have rarely gotten the jitters on it. When I was in the hospital, the respiratory therapists knew it and exclaimed it was a superior product. It comes in MDI, and solution for nebulizer, and I have used it both ways. Don’t need it very often these days, but always carry it, in case. Made by Dura, I have no connection with them, but don’t understand why I seem to be the only one using it. I want to make sure they stay in business, in case… See if you can get a sample, that’s how I discovered it, and a good thing it was, ’cause I had to bring my sample to the hospital until they could order some for their pharmacy. It seems I’m allergic to albuterol. I have seen it listed in the FAQ for this group, wherever that is now. Good luck,

Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I

get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris<< — Sue M.

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Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s?

I never got jitters from my BD’s until my 50th .. now the non-jittery periods are what’s temporary. get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward.

Oh, you didn’t mean birthdays? Never mind. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris Well, if ya can’t stop the jitters, at least have fun with them:

May I ask you’re credentials for prescribing such radical therapy? 1. Hold a glass of milk and ice cream in your hand. Use your BD, and in a few minutes, you have a milkshake

How do you know she isn’t allergic to milk proteins or lactose? Such an irresponsible suggestion may actually precipitate an attack. 2. Pretend you’re on the Comedy Central show Dr. Katz.

Is that M.D. or jsut a Ph.D.? 4. Two words: Human vibrator.

Take your smut to an alt.sex. channel prevert! 5. Clean the house. You’ll get it done twice as fast.

another irresponsible suggestion! — she’ll probably raise twice as much dust and dust mite dander and end up in the ER. 6. Scare people on the subway. This won’t work if you live in New York though. They’re used to everything.

Is this just speculation or can you cite relevant articles? The scary thing is, I’m so used to the jitters, I can write neatly while shaking like a jumping bean.

However, your normal penmanship is probably completely illegible. You MUST be a doctor.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I never got jitters from my BD’s until my 50th .. now the non-jittery periods are what’s temporary. get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. Oh, you didn’t mean birthdays? Never mind. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris Well, if ya can’t stop the jitters, at least have fun with them: May I ask you’re credentials for prescribing such radical therapy? 1. Hold a glass of milk and ice cream in your hand. Use your BD, and in a few minutes, you have a milkshake How do you know she isn’t allergic to milk proteins or lactose? Such an irresponsible suggestion may actually precipitate an attack. 2. Pretend you’re on the Comedy Central show Dr. Katz. Is that M.D. or jsut a Ph.D.? 4. Two words: Human vibrator. Take your smut to an alt.sex. channel prevert! 5. Clean the house. You’ll get it done twice as fast. another irresponsible suggestion! — she’ll probably raise twice as much dust and dust mite dander and end up in the ER. 6. Scare people on the subway. This won’t work if you live in New York though. They’re used to everything. Is this just speculation or can you cite relevant articles? The scary thing is, I’m so used to the jitters, I can write neatly while shaking like a jumping bean. However, your normal penmanship is probably completely illegible. You MUST be a doctor.

Hey, you out ‘natted the Small Woodinat Creature! Congrats! Woodinat Joel: What do you want for Christmas, Crow? Crow: I wanna decide who lives and who dies Joel: Oh, I don’t know…

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Read a book. Take a bubble bath. Meditate. Pick the relaxer of your choice, and go to it. Chris Owens

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I believe that some BDs will have more effect on you than others. The dose will probably also make a difference. If you are having problems with unacceptable (to you) side effects I suggest you go back to your MD (US speak) or GP (UK speak). If you are having to use your BD often (e.g. most days or several times a day) it may indicate the need to review the rest of your treatment. Since I started inhaled steroids I’ve needed the BD maybe 10 times, in as many months, and 1 puff instead of the 2 at a time I was using before. The usual cause is that I used to get ‘caught short’ getting another steroid inhaler when the current one ran out, and so my inhaled steroid dose got reduced. A few days later I would get a bit ‘clogged up’. Now I have a spare – one on, one clean and one in the wash (the repeat prescription request form!) so to speak. At my level of use I’m not bothered about the jitters and they are less since it’s only 1 puff. For the very few weeks when the BD was my only medicine I was not happy about the prospect at all. I suspect my workmates wern’t either! Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Dose » Gonna try CBT,ever do it?

Gonna try CBT,ever do it?

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Hi all, My shrink firmly believes that I am feeding my own panic and I think he may have a point. This is coming from a girl whose had this crappy disorder for 17 years and thought she had no fear left. Lately I find that the increased zoloft dose I’m on helps, but in no way like it used to. The klonopin I took for three months helped a great deal, but I was told it wasn’t good to stay on and is hell to come off. Since I want to have a baby in 3 years, and can only do it on 50mg of zoloft or less I decided to try CBT. I’m tired of popping pills, tired of relapses trying to get off meds, tired of coming all this way and falling down. I haven’t tried CBT yet, and have heard good things about it. HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT..AND IF SO DID IT HELP AT ALL? It’s expensive, but it’s a good investment. What could be better than investing in your health? Even if it works I’m gonna stay at a low dose of zoloft, cause I learned the hard way that coming totally off can be a bad descision, and getting back on it isn’t as effective. I beleive in the mind/body link and think this could help me. WHAT DO YOU THINK? Always, AD

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I haven’t tried CBT yet, and have heard good things about it. HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT..AND IF SO DID IT HELP AT ALL?

AD, What I learned in therapy (CBT) kept me out of the hospital the end of December, when I went into one of my spiraling, deep depressions. It was the first time I’ve ever been that sick and was able to bounce back without a hospitalization. It has helped me VERY much. I hope you have as much success with it as I have. I am very glad that I got a therapist that knew how to counsel me in it. Sara ^..^< Anxiety, I can’t get nothin done Anxiety destroys all the fun – Pat Benetar

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Have a look at: http://www.webdesignsw.com/benzos/Cognitive%20behaviour%20therapy-4%2… You may find something there that will answer your questions. HTH [...]

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Have a look at: http://www.webdesignsw.com/benzos/Cognitive%20behaviour%20therapy-4%2… You may find something there that will answer your questions. HTH

Hello, Thanks for the article. I found it very interesting. AD

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Have a look at: http://www.webdesignsw.com/benzos/Cognitive%20behaviour%20therapy-4%2… You may find something there that will answer your questions. HTH Hello, Thanks for the article. I found it very interesting.

I’m pleased to have been able to help. ;o)

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Hi AD Yes I have been through CBT and it really helped me. It took a combination of CBT and medication (xanax)but it did the trick. I could barely leave my home before and now I am able to lead a relatively normal life. I do hope you have really good success with it. Deb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, My shrink firmly believes that I am feeding my own panic and I think he may have a point. This is coming from a girl whose had this crappy disorder for 17 years and thought she had no fear left. Lately I find that the increased zoloft dose I’m on helps, but in no way like it used to. The klonopin I took for three months helped a great deal, but I was told it wasn’t good to stay on and is hell to come off. Since I want to have a baby in 3 years, and can only do it on 50mg of zoloft or less I decided to try CBT. I’m tired of popping pills, tired of relapses trying to get off meds, tired of coming all this way and falling down. I haven’t tried CBT yet, and have heard good things about it. HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT..AND IF SO DID IT HELP AT ALL? It’s expensive, but it’s a good investment. What could be better than investing in your health? Even if it works I’m gonna stay at a low dose of zoloft, cause I learned the hard way that coming totally off can be a bad descision, and getting back on it isn’t as effective. I beleive in the mind/body link and think this could help me. WHAT DO YOU THINK? Always, AD

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I do hope you have really good success with it. Deb

Hi Deb, Thanks for letting me know how CBT worked for you. I am very excited about starting, but it is so expensive and i can’t find a therapist who is totally covered by my insurance. A lot of CBT therepists I called said they don’t work with insurance companies because the demand for CBT is so high, they don’t have to! Good for them, bad for me. Always, AD

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Part of CBT is practicing it yourself. Check out some good books on it and they should help you. If you see a therapist every few weeks or so the CBT books will help you practice what the therapist offers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do hope you have really good success with it. Deb Hi Deb, Thanks for letting me know how CBT worked for you. I am very excited about starting, but it is so expensive and i can’t find a therapist who is totally covered by my insurance. A lot of CBT therepists I called said they don’t work with insurance companies because the demand for CBT is so high, they don’t have to! Good for them, bad for me. Always, AD

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HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT..AND IF SO DID IT HELP AT ALL? It’s expensive, but it’s a good investment. What could be better than investing in your health? Even if it works I’m gonna stay at a low dose of zoloft, cause I learned the hard way that coming totally off can be a bad descision, and getting back on it isn’t as effective. I beleive in the mind/body link and think this could help me. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

I am a strong advocate of CBT as it helped turn my life around many years ago and 18 months ago after a huge setback. The great thing about it is that even if you have setbacks you can re-apply the strategies you learn. As Mr Anxiety suggested putting the theory into practice is critical. BTW I understand your reluctance to stay on klonopin but it is the other reason I have managed my condition so well. Vanessa

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My pdoc is going to start CBT w/me and told my fdoc to not renew my benzo script because it interferes with success and the rate of relapse is higher. Has your dr said anything to this effect? Lucky me that I got another anti-benzo doc. Just curious because the thought of not having them if I need it frightens me. — ~Heidi~

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There is no hard evidence that CBT without meds works better and has a lower relapse rate than CBT with meds but some CBT hardliners entertain this idea. If you can do without meds that’s great of course but I wouldn’t recommend stopping the regular daily use of a benzo while starting CBT, it tends to muddle the picture IMO. If you take a benzo every now and then *as needed* it can be tried though. What benzo do you take and how often at what dose? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — ~Heidi~ Hi AD Yes I have been through CBT and it really helped me. It took a combination of CBT and medication (xanax)but it did the trick. I could barely leave my home before and now I am able to lead a relatively normal life. I do hope you have really good success with it. Deb Hi all, My shrink firmly believes that I am feeding my own panic and I think he may have a point. This is coming from a girl whose had this crappy disorder for 17 years and thought she had no fear left. Lately I find that the increased zoloft dose I’m on helps, but in no way like it used to. The klonopin I took for three months helped a great deal, but I was told it wasn’t good to stay on and is hell to come off. Since I want to have a baby in 3 years, and can only do it on 50mg of zoloft or less I decided to try CBT. I’m tired of popping pills, tired of relapses trying to get off meds, tired of coming all this way and falling down. I haven’t tried CBT yet, and have heard good things about it. HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT..AND IF SO DID IT HELP AT ALL? It’s expensive, but it’s a good investment. What could be better than investing in your health? Even if it works I’m gonna stay at a low dose of zoloft, cause I learned the hard way that coming totally off can be a bad descision, and getting back on it isn’t as effective. I beleive in the mind/body link and think this could help me. WHAT DO YOU THINK? Always, AD

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Hi Heidi My pdoc is going to start CBT w/me and told my fdoc to not renew my benzo script because it interferes with success and the rate of relapse is higher.

I took xanax the whole six months I was in therapy. My therapist didnt have a problem with it. I doubt I would have even gone to the sessions if I couldnt take the medicine. I was also agorophobic at the time and just being away from home for an hour was terrifying to me but taking the xanax before I left allowed me to calm down enough to be able to go. I cant imagine what it would have been like if I didnt have it. Good luck with your CBT and I hope the Pdoc changes his mind and allows you to take the meds if you feel you really need them to get through it. Deb

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Effexor Withdrawal » Men and Effexor XR=impotence?

Men and Effexor XR=impotence?

Question:

Is this pretty much normal for coming off Paxil? I took a look at the website you recommended and there seem to be a lot of side effects. I’m asking on behalf of my 10 year old nephew. Today his doctor changed his medication from Paxil to something else (can’t remember – began with an R). He was on 20mg a day and he’s cutting the dose in half for the next three days, then having him take the half dose every other day. His mom is already at the end of her rope and if there are going to be side effects from this, she’s totally unprepared for them.

If you are changing from one antidepressant to another, I don’t think you will have side effects (or they won’t be as bad). NK

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On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off

it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad

I’d

have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go

through

my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the

http://www.quitpaxil.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a

period

of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the

medication

without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too

but

not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor

depression

but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution .

I have mixed feelings about the TV advertising. On one level, I’m glad people can see there are options to help them. Educating the public is not a bad thing but I totaly agree that medications (for depression and ADHD) are being doled out more often than they should. I ‘m not a nurse but I’ve worked in the medical field for the past 27 years and I’m always seeing MD’s prescribe psych meds that have no business doing so (i.e regular GPs and gynecologists). I can’t tell you all the ADHD kids I see coming in for pre-medication work ups that could probably benefit from other options rather than medication but that’s the easiest avenue. I had a friend who was a little down and she went to her GYN doc and asked for an antidepressant and he prescribed Effexor! Despite this, I’m still a firm believer in medication under the right circumstances. I was in bad shape at one time and I probably would be dead or severely incapacitated without it. Thank goodness I went to a competant psychiatrist and he was willing to work with me when the time came to come off the Paxil. Some of them out there do not believe in the discontinuation symptoms and make their patients go cold turkey. Brutal! Patients also need to take a little responsibility for their own health by asking questions and reading up on their medications (maybe this is not such a good idea if you have OCD like me). IMO, it all boils down to: how badly is your life being affected by your disorder? I was bad enough that a few side effects were a better option than what I was dealing with. NK

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On Sat, 03 May 2003 15:00:01 GMT, "No kidding!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net

wrote: "jake" <inva…@invalid.com wrote in message news:kn66bv4osdbnirrfvv944s2q3p5hv98d6g@4ax.com… On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution . I have mixed feelings about the TV advertising. On one level, I’m glad people can see there are options to help them. Educating the public is not a bad thing but I totaly agree that medications (for depression and ADHD) are being doled out more often than they should.

Education of the consumer is critical to any kind of informed consent worth the name. The Sales Departments of multinational drug companies are hardly a suitable institution to undertake this task though.

I ‘m not a nurse but I’ve worked in the medical field for the past 27 years and I’m always seeing MD’s prescribe psych meds that have no business doing so (i.e regular GPs and gynecologists). I can’t tell you all the ADHD kids I see coming in for pre-medication work ups that could probably benefit from other options rather than medication but that’s the easiest avenue. I had a friend who was a little down and she went to her GYN doc and asked for an antidepressant and he prescribed Effexor!

how totally irresponsible .It is probably his standard practice,scribbling a script takes little effort.

Despite this, I’m still a firm believer in medication under the right circumstances. I was in bad shape at one time and I probably would be dead or severely incapacitated without it.

One can never know , of course , but in critical situations of genuine need it has been a boon to many. The problem arise withthe commercial pressures to define more and more circumstances as the "right " ones.

Thank goodness I went to a competant psychiatrist and he was willing to work with me when the time came to come off the Paxil.

Indeed Some of them out there do not believe in the discontinuation

symptoms and make their patients go cold turkey. Brutal!

Completely irresponsible and verging on criminal negligence.. They should be forced to educate themselves before being allowed to prescribe them.

Patients also need to take a little responsibility for their own health by asking questions and reading up on their medications (maybe this is not such a good idea if you have OCD like me).

)

Yes it can be so easy to be constantly scanning for signs of dire consequences.. They key perhaps lies with a compentant doctor who actually takes th truble to monitor his patients halth , rather than feeling the problem is soved if the patient goes away with a bottle of pills in their hand and doesn’t return.

IMO, it all boils down to: how badly is your life being affected by your disorder?

of course..

I was bad enough that a few side effects were a better option than what I was dealing with.

The fact that you managed to get off the Paxil will be an inspiration to many who despair of ever being able to. As you know if you are familiar with the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ support site there are those whose experiences with the drug are far more horrific than any complaint they may have been prescribed it for. __ Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life. -Lord Byron http://www.schizoaffective.org/

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which one do you use Great? "Great" <k…@xyz.com

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> news:5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… > > I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is > this > > true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? > > TIA

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Which one do you use Great that doesn’t cause it? "Great" <k…@xyz.com

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> news:5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… > > I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is > this > > true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? > > TIA

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After eight months without any problem it’s a pretty safe bet. Any impotence I experience is going to be for other reasons. "jake" <inva…@invalid.com

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On Sat, 03 May 2003 10:27:24 GMT, "Roger" <roge…@hotmail.com wrote: There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it. well dont tempt fate ..It has not as yet

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Bupropion doesn’t cause it. Ritalin doesn’t cause it. Deprynl also doesn’t cause it. "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com

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> news:b90428$e7ruh$1@ID-189619.news.dfncis.de… > > There is no doubt about this fact. It causes impotense. > > "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com

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> > news:5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… > > > I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is

this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

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On Sat, 03 May 2003 10:27:24 GMT, "Roger" <roge…@hotmail.com

wrote: There is doubt. It doesn’t cause it in me. It can cause it.

well dont tempt fate ..It has not as yet In response to the original posters query,there is no doubt whatsoever that impotence is a commonly observed adverse reaction, and it is misleading to suggest otherwise Commonly Observed Adverse Reactions: http://www.effexor-xr-side-effects-withdrawal.com/adverse-effects-eff… The most commonly observed adverse events associated with the use of venlafaxine (incidence of 5% or greater) and not seen at an equivalent incidence among placebo-treated patients (i.e., incidence for venlafaxine at least twice that for placebo), derived from the 1% incidence Table III, were asthenia, sweating, nausea, constipation, anorexia, vomiting, somnolence, dry mouth, dizziness nervousness, anxiety, tremor, blurred vision, and abnormal ejaculation/orgasm and impotence in men. __ The long term effects could be far more drastic http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/antidepr… But perhaps the most troubling problem with the newer drugs is that no one is sure just what their long-term effects might be. There are some new, troubling reports that Effexor may cause tardive dyskinesia, a movement disorder that may be permanent, involving writhing, wormlike movements of the body, lips, and tongue. But many chronically depressed people say they don’t care. They’re willing to pay the price of future uncertainty to buy freedom from depression today.

"Great" <k…@xyz.com wrote in message news:b90428$e7ruh$1@ID-189619.news.dfncis.de… There is no doubt about this fact. It causes impotense. "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com wrote in message news:5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

"When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore

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There is no doubt about this fact. It causes impotense. "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com

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On Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:52 GMT, "No kidding!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net

wrote: I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot.

sure..with the emphasis on IF you are sick enough with genuine profound depression..and with informed consent. Where the profit motive and a drive to expand markets are the motivation, history shows it takes legal action to compel pharmaceutical companies to provide the information needed for any kind of informed consent worth its name. And as for highpowered TV advertising to entice people to badger an uninformed GP to prescribe for the variety of ailments they claim it suitable for…….criminal prosecution . Of course in most advanced countries other than the USA , such activities are in fact illegal.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

"jake" <inva…@invalid.com wrote in message news:2qe4bvsohuqflnkqf52m7o7743v1knghcv@4ax.com… On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:22:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com wrote: "kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore

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X-No-Archive: Yes On Fri, 02 May 2003 10:41:44 +0100, jake <inva…@invalid.com wrote: <snip Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! I had terrible sides from Effexor XR; after only 6 weeks I’d lost 9kg – a lot for someone of my build. Some 5% of people develop anorexia – not something you normally associate with 47 y.o. males, but I got it. I had no energy, no stamina, could barely get out of bed and lost *all* interest in food. If I hadn’t realised what was going on – and a mate hadn’t visited a few times and said I was looking *really* sick & gaunt I may have ended up in hospital or dead. I put a post on the newsgroup and got quite a few emails from people who’ve had terrible side’s from Effexor XR. There is an excellent page run by a woman called Belynda with stories about bad times from Effexor & Effexor XR; the URL is: <http://members.tripod.com/~BWarner/effexor.html. The page is called "Effexor Withdrawal" and gives a brief description of her own Effexor history, as well as comments by people who have had trouble with it – believe it or not, these pages of people’s troubles run for 480-odd pages: quite a few problems.

Oh well it seems to have gone, unfortunately.. I am not too suprised there were so many complaints it is the No 2 drug for withdrawal problems __ Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life. -Lord Byron http://www.schizoaffective.org/

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I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. NK

Is this pretty much normal for coming off Paxil? I took a look at the website you recommended and there seem to be a lot of side effects. I’m asking on behalf of my 10 year old nephew. Today his doctor changed his medication from Paxil to something else (can’t remember – began with an R). He was on 20mg a day and he’s cutting the dose in half for the next three days, then having him take the half dose every other day. His mom is already at the end of her rope and if there are going to be side effects from this, she’s totally unprepared for them.

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I took Paxil for many years and the first few times I tried to come off of it, I had really *bad* discontinuation symptoms myself- dizziness so bad I’d have to go and lie down, "electric shock" sensations that would go through my body. Even when going down to the minimum dose of 5 mg I would suffer side effects when stopping. I finally went to the http://www.quitpaxil.org/ website and it gave me lots of good advice for weaning from it. I was able to get liquid Paxil and taper off 1 mg at a time (over a period of weeks) and this was the only way I could wean myself off the medication without side effects. If I remember, Effexor gave me side effects, too but not as bad as the Paxil. Antidepressants aren’t candy so I don’t recommend them for minor depression but if you’re sick enough, I still think they’re worth it. They helped me out a lot. NK "jake" <inva…@invalid.com

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On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:22:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com wrote: "kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how

effexor

xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and

while

it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual

feelings/thoughts

either. This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to

embrace a

pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to

the

harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore

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"kevin" wrote in message …

Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me.

Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects, it’s not like the loss of libido is permanent.

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On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:22:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com

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"kevin" wrote in message … Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me. Try it and see how it affects you. You can always stop taking it if you don’t like the side-effects,

Sadly this is not always the case Re: Effexor Withdrawal NIghtmare. Class act lawsuit. Not one told us about this. http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-41.html I have been on effexor for years. I haven\’t had any weight gain, on the contrary, it kills my appetite, but I cannot wean myself off it. I get a racing heart, and feel like I am having a heart atack, heart palpatations, pounding heart,pounding in my ears,and hearing loss. I also experience body tremors and convulsion-like body jerks. I also get the \"brain shivers\" but entire BODY SHIVERS as well. These symptoms dissappear when I re-take my dose, but then I am back on the nightmare cycle. No one told me about this, and I don\’t believe the drug company put out a disclaimer regarding withdrawl symptoms(anyone know about that?). I am interested in filing a class-action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer. Anyone who is interested, please contact me @ ceciliari…@aol.com. This is SERIOUS! it’s not like the loss of libido

is permanent.

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Prozac didn’t affect my sex drive at all but everyone is different. Taking antidepressants is like a crap shootas far as side effects are concerned. Don’t refuse to take it on the possibility you *might* have a certain side effect because maybe it won’t happen. I’ve tried several, several antidepressants before I found one I was able to stay on for 13 years. I recently weaned off of them but if I need to take them again, I will. I’ve learned to try them out for a few weeks and see what happens before I pass judgement. If the side effects are intolerable, then I try something else. NK "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com

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true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect. I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it. My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened. Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely. You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.

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Has definitely not caused me any sexual side effects. "No kidding!" <nokidd…@NOSPAMria.net

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I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

Many antidepressant, Effexor among them, can cause all sorts of sexual dysfunction. There are some ways around it. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/medsdysfunction Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees?

Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect. I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it. My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened. Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely. You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.

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Are you sure about this? I thought I’ve seen many posts about how effexor xr makes people a uniuch. I took a 37.5 mg capulse the other day and while it made me feel more motivated, I didn’t have any sexual feelings/thoughts either. This scared me. "Poop Dogg" <nos…@nospam.com

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"kevin" wrote in message <5HXra.439786$Zo.101653@sccrnsc03… I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is

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true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? Effexor is supposed to be very good in this respect. I take Effexor XR, first 150mg, then 225mg, now 75mg, and I have never had any sexual side effects from it. My doctor said I might notice a delay in orgasm but it never happened. Other anti-depressants, the SSRIs like Prozac, etc. are notorious for the sexual side-effects, users claim they kill the sex drive completely. You should give the Effexor a chance, if it causes sexual problems then switch to Wellbutrin, another antidepressant with few sexual side-effects.

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I heard that Effexor XR causes guys to be impotent as a side effect, is this true? Is there anyone here that agrees or disagrees? TIA

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Don’t know much about Effexor, but isn’t that an SNRI, like Strattera? I’m not sure. I can tell you that I’m currently taking Celexa (which is an SSRI), and that has had some pretty negative sexual side effects. Like taking an hour to masturbate (delayed ejaculation is a side effect). Sheesh. I’m also taking Strattera (again, an SNRI), which I started a few weeks after the Celexa, and I can’t say that it has made the sexual side effects any better or worse. The only anti-depressent that I’m aware of that doesn’t seem to have any negative sexual side effects is Wellbutrin. But it can make you feel jittery, which can make any anxiety problems worse. Mike "kevin" <sharkfan1…@NOSPAMaol.com

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Most ADs including Effexor frequently cause sexual dysfunction. However it’s very individualistic — some men aren’t affected by some drugs, or only at higher dosages. But as a general statement, yes most ADs affect many men this way. The exceptions are Mirtazapine (Remeron), and Bupropion (Wellbutrin). — Joe D.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robert, dont reply to this sick troll because I have Steve blocked and whenever you reply to him remnants of his posts show up in my newsreader. Just ignore Steve Robert, Steve is a very mentally ill man who does not realize how mentally ill he is. He is one of these people whose got serious problems but is in denial about it. Its obvious that Steve has some problems. Im too burned out talking about this asshole to go into all the details. You know Steve has got some problems…and I know Steve has got some problems. However I do not think Steve realizes he has got some problems. Again, Im done conversing with Steve and I would encourage you and others to not converse with him either. Just ignore him, ostracize him…eventually he will leave. Eric . My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

I’ll give it a shot, Al, I hate to see the cheap shots against you plus I’m pro med, it keeps me sane. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve.

I guess Eric feels you need his help to surf safely, Robert! Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader.

And how is this anyone’s concern, save Eric’s? Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc.

So, according to Eric, his sister is totally unqualified to say anything http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… If a full psychologist is worthless, why does Eric cite the opinion of a person with just a BS in psychology? Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually.

My word, a person you hold up to be a psychology expert is laughing at the suffering of someone who she is diagnosing as very ill? What’s wrong with this picture? Perhaps the only place this meeting took place was in Eric’s tortured and defective brain. Are we to believe that a psychology expert, such as the person Eric holds up will after a few minutes study of internet posts make a serious diagnosis of a severe mental illness? What’s wrong with this picture? She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion.

Please post the EXACT posts of mine which form the basis for this diagnosis, please Eric. As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA,

Eric denied the many posts I put up about this unusual, but by no means rare fact. Please go back to my old posts this summer, or read www.ect.org. along with his constant talking about lobotomies,

Which I mainly mention to defend Eric’s nemesis, Dr. Peter Breggin, or to point out how modified versions of the procedure are being performed at Harvard’s mental hospital, McLean. "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry.

Here Eric seems to be implying that since he has been a mental patient for four years he is an authority on all aspects of psychiatry! Delusional thinking in MY opinion! http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html Here is an interesting quote from the Yale web site, listed above, on the Gamma Knife: Who can benefit from this treatment? Indications at present include: * benign tumors such as meningiomas, acoustic neuromas, pituitary adenomas and craniopharyngiomas * primary or recurrent malignant brain tumors such as astrocytomas or oligodendrogliomas * solitary and multiple brain metastases * head and neck tumors such as nasopharyngeal carcinomas and ocular melanomas * arteriovenous malformations (AVMs) * trigeminal neuralgia and cluster headaches * intractable pain secondary to cancer * movement disorders such as Parkinson’s disease and essential tremor investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies. <http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/graphics/top.gif She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions.

Do list this catalogue of mental illness, would you, Eric. I am sure it will make interesting, and amusing reading! My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me.

SO then not seeing things as Eric sees them is now defined as a mental illness? Not surprising for a troubled fellow who evaluates the worth of a drug by the results he obtained during the use thereof, and bases suggestions to other people exclusively upon his limited experience. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert.

In other words, Eric is a liar who has one goal here: Defense of his dysfunctional belief system based upon a defective brain, rather then taking ANY personal responsibility for his present state. I will grant that the production of propaganda, out of whole cloth, by Eric would have stood him in good stead with Himmler and other proponents of the ‘big lie’ technique. Come to your own conclusions.

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I think I’m going to stay out of this one, drugs saved my sanity and my life, nuff said. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader. Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Gee, Robert, sounds like Eric thinks you need his protection. What do you think? Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc. However Eric has stated time and again that talk therapy is worthless. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&rnum=22&selm=20010327104630.277… Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually. So you sister shares your unique ability to diagnose over the internet, Eric? Would you care to post the EXACT posts which your totally unqualified, to apply your own standards, sister has reached? She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion. Please post any post which I wrote that would lead to such a conclusion, then please contrast it with a wonderful gem of your own, Eric, like this one:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA, Evidence which I posted to the unusual, but by no means rare practice was ignored by Eric. along with his constant talking about lobotomies, I rarely mention lobotomies, usually to defend Dr. Peter Breggin, who, as Eric agrees, lead the movement to push lobotomy from the mainstream of psychiatric practice, and limit it to places such as Harvard Universities mental hospital, McLean Hospital. "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry. So by being a severely depressed mental patient Eric is by some mystical form of osmosis to learn of every aspect of psychiatry? And he accuses me of thought disorders! http://193.132.197.83/ContentInternational.nsf?Open Pay special attention to the Parkinson’s section, please:http://www.nwhgammaknife.com/gamma/conditionsframes/frameset.html and from yale: http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html#who "In addition, the gamma knife is being used as an investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric disease. Patients referred to the Yale-New Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies." Finding this information took me less then 5 minutes. I am sure that Eric is an experienced web user who could duplicate my efforts in about the same amount of time. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions. Do share with us the results of your sisters diagnosis, Eric. Do tell us the many delusions from which I suffer. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert. In other words, Robert, Eric is a liar who will even invent material from whole cloth to serve his ends, which to me seem to perpetuate the dysfunctional belief system he functions under, due to fear to face his inner demons. But thats just my opinion!

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Gee, Robert, sounds like Eric thinks you need his protection. What do you think? Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc.

However Eric has stated time and again that talk therapy is worthless. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&rnum=22&selm=20010327104630.277… Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually.

So you sister shares your unique ability to diagnose over the internet, Eric? Would you care to post the EXACT posts which your totally unqualified, to apply your own standards, sister has reached? She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion.

Please post any post which I wrote that would lead to such a conclusion, then please contrast it with a wonderful gem of your own, Eric, like this one:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA,

Evidence which I posted to the unusual, but by no means rare practice was ignored by Eric. along with his constant talking about lobotomies,

I rarely mention lobotomies, usually to defend Dr. Peter Breggin, who, as Eric agrees, lead the movement to push lobotomy from the mainstream of psychiatric practice, and limit it to places such as Harvard Universities mental hospital, McLean Hospital. "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry.

So by being a severely depressed mental patient Eric is by some mystical form of osmosis to learn of every aspect of psychiatry? And he accuses me of thought disorders! http://193.132.197.83/ContentInternational.nsf?Open Pay special attention to the Parkinson’s section, please:http://www.nwhgammaknife.com/gamma/conditionsframes/frameset.html and from yale: http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html#who "In addition, the gamma knife is being used as an investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric disease. Patients referred to the Yale-New Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies." Finding this information took me less then 5 minutes. I am sure that Eric is an experienced web user who could duplicate my efforts in about the same amount of time. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions.

Do share with us the results of your sisters diagnosis, Eric. Do tell us the many delusions from which I suffer. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert.

In other words, Robert, Eric is a liar who will even invent material from whole cloth to serve his ends, which to me seem to perpetuate the dysfunctional belief system he functions under, due to fear to face his inner demons. But thats just my opinion!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The reason I find Eric so dangerous is that he writes with such authority, and unless one is skeptical or has been around the bad, dangerous advice eric gives could hurt other people. The fact that the basis for Eric to make a decision is solely HIS experience is another reason I comment when his posts are less then accurate. Naturally my writing is my own opinion, I am not a doctor. Eric, on the other hand seems to believe that being a mental patient for four years gives him some special knowledge which I lack. I disagree, vigorously.

I think your not giving people enough credit, IMHO your persecution of one poster shines a bad light on you. Linda Gore gives statistics without a shred of evidence yet that seems to be ok because she is ant-med. Well the thing is she IMHO is the most fucked up poster here and I bet it’s cause she won’t seek treatment by those nasty meds that are so evil yet give me such solace. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her.

The reason I find Eric so dangerous is that he writes with such authority, and unless one is skeptical or has been around the bad, dangerous advice eric gives could hurt other people. The fact that the basis for Eric to make a decision is solely HIS experience is another reason I comment when his posts are less then accurate. Naturally my writing is my own opinion, I am not a doctor. Eric, on the other hand seems to believe that being a mental patient for four years gives him some special knowledge which I lack. I disagree, vigorously. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader. Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc. Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually. She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion. As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA, along with his constant talking about lobotomies, "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

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You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare… which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought. Yes, a thought…or idea… which can prey upon your mind…BUT where its an ideation…only..its unaccompanied by the impulse…or desire to act upon the thought…me thinks.. Hope you feel better today…

Thank you, — ~misfit~

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Hi misfit… the SSRI’s like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some, most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them…

Cite your sources. Prozac incited the idea in me once…the second time I went on Prozac…and I spent one really terrified coping with such an idea.. after I gotten bad news in the middle of the night…about an uncle who had committed suicide.. and the suggestion of it…would not leave me…

Runs in the family I see. I called a hotline…and the person who took my call ended up making me so angry…so I hung up..

Anger and getting along with people seam to be trouble for you Linda Gore. I think the thing really helped me…even while I couldnt get the ideas out of my mind…I still knew it was the Prozac inciting the idea, and not my idea… ..

The fault my dear Brutus is not in our stars but in our selves…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). I am 40 years old, male, and have always tended towards depression, my mother also suffers with it and has been on Prozac for years. I was on Prozac myself about two years ago but only for a couple of months, I had some side-effects that I didn’t like such as profuse sweating, anxiety, insomnia and lowered libido. I entered into a relationship just after that and life got better. I’ve just (two weeks ago) been released from jail after serving six months for cultivation of cannabis. When I had about one month to go I got a letter from my fiancee saying she was leaving me. Turned out she had an affair with someone she met in a chat room (and I encouraged her to spend time on the net as she was missing me). I’ve been trying to get together with her agian but it’s no-go, she finally told me two days ago. I have been having suicidal ideations (is that the right word?) to the extent that, yesterday evening I sorted out a length of hose, put it in the car and sat at my puter and wrote a note to leave on the passenger seat. I was just printing the note when a friend called around to visit and ask if he could stay the night on the couch. He has been worried about me. he is taking medication for various things and over the last two weeks I’ve been getting a little Oxezapam off him. I took 75mg last night and the urgency went away. We don’t talk about my feelings a hell of a lot, I have trouble with that face to face (and if/when I top myself I don’t want anyone panicing, trying to stop me). I have a good friend who I’ve never met in person who I have an email relationship with and she knows *exactly* how I feel. She has been very supportive. This isn’t just one of those "My girlfriend left me and I want to kill myself" situations. My life basically sucks and I credit her (to myself) with keeping me alive these last two years. I’ve been sad and had suicidal t houghts ever since I was a teenager, and a lot more than most. I honestly don’t feel I have a lot to live for but don’t really want to upset family etc. I’m gonna try to give it a go and have come to the conclusion that I’ll probably need to be medicated for the rest of my life, especially if I want it to be more than a few days. The doctor gave me some Oxezapam today as well as the Paxil, I told her I want something that works now, tonight. She would only give me a little though, 30 x 10 mg and told me only 3 per day. Basically I s’pose I wondered if anyone has any suggestions for medication. I’m in New Zealand so I may not have the same medications available to me as people in other countries. So yeah, anyone have any ideas? If I’m gonna be in the same mood as I’ve been in for the last 40 years for the rest of my life then I’m not sure I want to go on. Thanks for reading this, — ~misfit~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t be too frightened. While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common. It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin. SSRIs work pretty well for most people. S. suricata I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer.

Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar.

Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare… which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them.. S’cool, like I said, nothing frightens me. And FWIW I agree, it’s better for people to know that it is a known side-effect than for them to solely attribute the feeling to themselves, that way they are less likely to act on it. IMO.

Glad you understood my intent… BTW, please excuse my ignorance but can someone give me a defimition of ‘ideations’ please. I’m sure I know what it means but I’d like to have it defined. LOL, S’okay, I just looked it up: ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought.

Yes, a thought…or idea… which can prey upon your mind…BUT where its an ideation…only..its unaccompanied by the impulse…or desire to act upon the thought…me thinks.. Hope you feel better today… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers, — ~misfit~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the SSRI’s like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some, most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them… Well, it’s possible that SSRI’s cause suicidal ideation in a very small number of people. However, since Misfit already has this problem it would be very hard to tell if they were a side effect or not. I got a different explanation from my pdoc, which accurately describes my experience though I don’t have a paper reference for it offhand. My pdoc said that often people are too depressed to act on suicidal ideation when they start antidepressants. I know I had the ideation, but no energy or will to act on it. Sometimes people get an energy lift from the medication before they get a mood lift, so after starting medication people become more able to actually act out the ideation. Again, this matches my experience. I had the ideation without the antidepressants, but as I started to get a little more energy I became a much more genuine suicide risk. Fortunately, I have been able to get through these parts without, yet, attempting to hurt myself. Bright blessings to you. Fiona

What you say your pdoc told you, Fiona, about AD’s is true of all of them. People are too depressed to do much, and as the AD’s kick in they are able to muster the strength to act on their desires. The difference with SSRI’s, however, is that SSRI’s are noted to actually induce suicidal ideation where it was not present before.

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S’cool, like I said, nothing frightens me. And FWIW I agree, it’s better for people to know that it is a known side-effect than for them to solely attribute the feeling to themselves, that way they are less likely to act on it. IMO. BTW, please excuse my ignorance but can someone give me a defimition of ‘ideations’ please. I’m sure I know what it means but I’d like to have it defined. LOL, S’okay, I just looked it up: ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought. Cheers, — ~misfit~

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already. Don’t be too frightened. While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common. It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin. SSRIs work pretty well for most people.

Thanks for that, I don’t actually have the enthusiasum to be frightened though. — ~misfit~

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the SSRI’s like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some, most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them…

Well, it’s possible that SSRI’s cause suicidal ideation in a very small number of people. However, since Misfit already has this problem it would be very hard to tell if they were a side effect or not. I got a different explanation from my pdoc, which accurately describes my experience though I don’t have a paper reference for it offhand. My pdoc said that often people are too depressed to act on suicidal ideation when they start antidepressants. I know I had the ideation, but no energy or will to act on it. Sometimes people get an energy lift from the medication before they get a mood lift, so after starting medication people become more able to actually act out the ideation. Again, this matches my experience. I had the ideation without the antidepressants, but as I started to get a little more energy I became a much more genuine suicide risk. Fortunately, I have been able to get through these parts without, yet, attempting to hurt myself. Bright blessings to you. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome. – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar.

I’m a drug enthusiast, myself, but I see a problem with this line of reasoning. What you seem to be saying is that SSRIs are safe for us gloomies, but sometimes dangerous for the flip-flop folks. This would be fine, except that psychiatrists are notoriously bad at diagnosis. There are no established physical markers to distinguish unipolars from bipolars; not even on autopsy. So, suppose you’re a bipolar, and you’ve just had your first plunge into the black depths of depression. In a few months, you’re scheduled to get very happy indeed, but you don’t know that, and neither does the psychiatrist to whom you’ve just been referred. As far as she’s concerned, you’re depressed, and you agree with her. You get Prozac as the drug of first choice. Since you’re actually bipolar, you’re in trouble because this isn’t the drug for you. Of course, if psychiatric diagnosis were infallible, SSRIs would be safe, but it isn’t, so the prudent approach would be to admit that SSRI prescriptions have their risks, no? S. suricata

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That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already.

Don’t be too frightened. While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common. It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin. SSRIs work pretty well for most people. S. suricata

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Hi HerEvilTwin, Thanks for taking the time to reply. That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already. Thanks again, — ~misfit~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi misfit… the SSRI’s like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some, most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them… Prozac incited the idea in me once…the second time I went on Prozac…and I spent one really terrified coping with such an idea.. after I gotten bad news in the middle of the night…about an uncle who had committed suicide.. and the suggestion of it…would not leave me… I called a hotline…and the person who took my call ended up making me so angry…so I hung up.. I think the thing really helped me…even while I couldnt get the ideas out of my mind…I still knew it was the Prozac inciting the idea, and not my idea…

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Hi and Welcome to the ng, Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). snipped… There are many ADs available. The Paxil will take about 3 weeks to work. I hope you feel better soon.

Hi Lynda, thanks for the welcome and the good wishes. — ~misfit~

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Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). I am 40 years old, male, and have always tended towards depression, my mother also suffers with it and has been on Prozac for years. I was on Prozac myself about two years ago but only for a couple of months, I had some side-effects that I didn’t like such as profuse sweating, anxiety, insomnia and lowered libido. I entered into a relationship just after that and life got better. I’ve just (two weeks ago) been released from jail after serving six months for cultivation of cannabis. When I had about one month to go I got a letter from my fiancee saying she was leaving me. Turned out she had an affair with someone she met in a chat room (and I encouraged her to spend time on the net as she was missing me). I’ve been trying to get together with her agian but it’s no-go, she finally told me two days ago. I have been having suicidal ideations (is that the right word?) to the extent that, yesterday evening I sorted out a length of hose, put it in the car and sat at my puter and wrote a note to leave on the passenger seat. I was just printing the note when a friend called around to visit and ask if he could stay the night on the couch. He has been worried about me. he is taking medication for various things and over the last two weeks I’ve been getting a little Oxezapam off him. I took 75mg last night and the urgency went away. We don’t talk about my feelings a hell of a lot, I have trouble with that face to face (and if/when I top myself I don’t want anyone panicing, trying to stop me). I have a good friend who I’ve never met in person who I have an email relationship with and she knows *exactly* how I feel. She has been very supportive. This isn’t just one of those "My girlfriend left me and I want to kill myself" situations. My life basically sucks and I credit her (to myself) with keeping me alive these last two years. I’ve been sad and had suicidal t houghts ever since I was a teenager, and a lot more than most. I honestly don’t feel I have a lot to live for but don’t really want to upset family etc. I’m gonna try to give it a go and have come to the conclusion that I’ll probably need to be medicated for the rest of my life, especially if I want it to be more than a few days. The doctor gave me some Oxezapam today as well as the Paxil, I told her I want something that works now, tonight. She would only give me a little though, 30 x 10 mg and told me only 3 per day. Basically I s’pose I wondered if anyone has any suggestions for medication. I’m in New Zealand so I may not have the same medications available to me as people in other countries. So yeah, anyone have any ideas? If I’m gonna be in the same mood as I’ve been in for the last 40 years for the rest of my life then I’m not sure I want to go on. Thanks for reading this, — ~misfit~

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Hi and Welcome to the ng, Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day).

snipped… There are many ADs available. The Paxil will take about 3 weeks to work. I hope you feel better soon. Peace, Lynda

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Venlafaxine Effexor » new adjuncts to Prozac?

new adjuncts to Prozac?

Question:

Have you tried effexor instead of prozac, although it’s a prescription drug? According to rxlist.com… "Preclinical studies have shown that venlafaxine [effexor] and its active metabolite, O-desmethylvenlafaxine (ODV), are potent inhibitors of neuronal serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake and weak inhibitors of dopamine reuptake"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve tried lots of antidepressants, and about the only one I can tolerate is Prozac. However, it’s not very effective. I’ve tried adding lithium and thyroxine, neither of which helped much. Lately there’s been talk here about noradrenergic and dopaminergic effects of antidepressants. Prozac only works on the serotonin receptors. Is there any other effective over the counter or other medications that would augment Prozac, that anyone can think of?

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Thanks AMM and CyberMistress. Yes I tried Effexor – and may try it again – but it knocked me out too much for me to know what it was doing to my mood. I’ll try the 100mg of B6 and other B vitamins. Does anyone find that Omega-3 oil really helps with their mood?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John as you know I been suffering depression pretty bad since I stopped the Paxil and none of the AD’s I tried in the year and 4 months since did good things upon trying.. so I been going without. Well, I been trying the vitamin, minerals fish oils with mixed success…some alleviation of PMS symptoms but nothing for depression.. The thing is not enough alleviation of PMS so I was whining to a friend who told me his wife used 100mg of B6 to counteract PMS… What did I have to lose… I increased it to 100mg and I shown a positive response…out of the fog I been in the entire time since I stopped the Paxil…greyness gone… less irritable, though more BLACK and WHITE thinking cause I am more sure of myself. Anyway, if the Prozac works fairly well, why not supplement with the OMEGA 3 and b complex vitamins…see if they help… I’ve tried lots of antidepressants, and about the only one I can tolerate is Prozac. However, it’s not very effective. I’ve tried adding lithium and thyroxine, neither of which helped much. Lately there’s been talk here about noradrenergic and dopaminergic effects of antidepressants. Prozac only works on the serotonin receptors. Is there any other effective over the counter or other medications that would augment Prozac, that anyone can think of?

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I’ve tried lots of antidepressants, and about the only one I can tolerate is Prozac. However, it’s not very effective. I’ve tried adding lithium and thyroxine, neither of which helped much. Lately there’s been talk here about noradrenergic and dopaminergic effects of antidepressants. Prozac only works on the serotonin receptors. Is there any other effective over the counter or other medications that would augment Prozac, that anyone can think of?

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I’ve tried lots of antidepressants, and about the only one I can tolerate is Prozac. However, it’s not very effective. I’ve tried adding lithium and thyroxine, neither of which helped much. Lately there’s been talk here about noradrenergic and dopaminergic effects of antidepressants. Prozac only works on the serotonin receptors. ARE there any other effective over the counter or other medications that would augment Prozac, that anyone can think of?

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Effexor » Serezone

Serezone

Question:

On my third week at 200 mg. Still nothing. Does anyone have any experience using Serzone? Please share.

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Taking serzone, 250 mg/day. Started at 75, then up to 125, then 150, now 250. I’ve been on it probably 9-10 months. I am very glad I found it. I can’t take prozac, paxil, zoloft, effexor . . . but the serzone does what it needs to. I don’t feel "flat" or numb – I still have emotions, it’s just that the highs are not as high nor the lows as low. I still have bad days, but they come and go much quicker than when I was on no meds at all. My pdoc says I will probably be on the serzone for a couple of years at least. The only side effects i’ve noticed are that I sweat a whole lot (I sweat a lot before I ever took ADs, so now it is profuse!), and my dreams are very, very vivid. But I can handle both of those SE. Good luck with it, Oliver. Kym The Tintinnabulation of the bells, Bells, BELLS! Remove "blech" to e-mail me

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serzone nearly wrecked everything , 400 per day , welcome to the zoo , well it was for me , the best med i took so far , has been no med , and i mean no med at all . not even a coffee .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Taking serzone, 250 mg/day. Started at 75, then up to 125, then 150, now 250. I’ve been on it probably 9-10 months. I am very glad I found it. I can’t take prozac, paxil, zoloft, effexor . . . but the serzone does what it needs to. I don’t feel "flat" or numb – I still have emotions, it’s just that the highs are not as high nor the lows as low. I still have bad days, but they come and go much quicker than when I was on no meds at all. My pdoc says I will probably be on the serzone for a couple of years at least. The only side effects i’ve noticed are that I sweat a whole lot (I sweat a lot before I ever took ADs, so now it is profuse!), and my dreams are very, very vivid. But I can handle both of those SE. Good luck with it, Oliver. Kym The Tintinnabulation of the bells, Bells, BELLS! Remove "blech" to e-mail me

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mind you, normally i wouldn’t be bothered by the easy access to a script… but it only verified for me that nobody in a 90 mile radius gives a sh*t about me.

Honey, it’s not you. Doctors are under so much pressure to see as many people as possible that they simply give you pretty much what ever you ask for just to save time. Yes it’s horrible, but it’s not aimed at you personally. anybody experience really bad headaches with this drug?

I couldn’t tell you that because I’ve had bad headaches pretty much all my life no matter what drug I’m on. Monica Tittle Bad habits are hard to break. Especially if you like them. –Found inside a fortune cookie

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That’s the med’s that my doc gave me. I’m taking 100 mg’s. I’ve only started today, so I woulden’t know. The doc said it should take about 2 1/2 weeks to kick in. Give it another week. If it is not working, then tell your doc. ~Racheal G ICQ# 91183600 You can’t fight the tears that aint coming, or the moment of truth in your lies. When everything feels like the movies, you bleed just to know your alive. Before you buy.

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The only side effects i’ve noticed are that I sweat a whole lot (I sweat a lot before I ever took ADs, so now it is profuse!), and my dreams are very, very vivid. But I can handle both of those SE.

Oh god! I thought it was just me! I’ve never sweated very much before, but now I sweat buckets. I was folding laundry (only three baskets) and I looked like I had been working out for an hour afterwards. I’m talking dripping off my nose soaked hair kind of sweaty here. I wish I had the vivid dreams. I haven’t had a good one in a very long time. :-/ Monica Tittle Bad habits are hard to break. Especially if you like them. –Found inside a fortune cookie

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serzone had it’s ups n downs , sex was finally possible again , but the toilet trips were a little much , i got bum burn

% Sorry you had trouble with the serzone. For me it has been a godsend – a way to be able to live, productively, work, be active in my church, and quell most of the suic*de thoughts that I was having. As for no caffeine – ACK – i’d never survive! Kym The Tintinnabulation of the bells, Bells, BELLS! Remove "blech" to e-mail me

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Do Xanax And Zoloft Hinder Libido » Don't know what to think?

Don't know what to think?

Question:

Well I thought I would come to this NG for some input. My girlfriend and I have been together for three years now. When we met she was abusing volume and was on her last leg, just darn near living in her car but always had here pills. I took her in and was able to stop the pill taking execept for a few incidents. Anyhow this takes us to where we are now. A few weeks ago I noticed that she was acting the same as on volume. I was at my last string when she finally told me she had been to the doctors for anxiety attacks and depression. She claimed that she was diagnosed before we had met. Her doctor, a few weeks ago prescribed her xanax and zoloft to there maximum dose. Now I have read a few internet sites on anxiety attacks and I have not witnessed one episode. In fact I have not seen any depression or sadness throughout our relationship. She has told me recently that she can tell when one is coming so she just leaves to her moms to deal with it. So I guess my question is, are pills something that can be abused or should I look farther into the anxiety attacks? Can a family doctor diagnose anxiety and depression? Thanks very much for your input. Ken

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I thought I would come to this NG for some input. My girlfriend and I have been together for three years now. When we met she was abusing volume and was on her last leg, just darn near living in her car but always had here pills. I took her in and was able to stop the pill taking execept for a few incidents. Anyhow this takes us to where we are now. A few weeks ago I noticed that she was acting the same as on volume. I was at my last string when she finally told me she had been to the doctors for anxiety attacks and depression. She claimed that she was diagnosed before we had met. Her doctor, a few weeks ago prescribed her xanax and zoloft to there maximum dose. Now I have read a few internet sites on anxiety attacks and I have not witnessed one episode. In fact I have not seen any depression or sadness throughout our relationship. She has told me recently that she can tell when one is coming so she just leaves to her moms to deal with it. So I guess my question is, are pills something that can be abused or should I look farther into the anxiety attacks? Can a family doctor diagnose anxiety and depression? Thanks very much for your input. Ken

Hi Ken! It’s very hard to give you good advice without knowing a lot more about your GF. Sometimes a family doctor can diagnose anxiety, panic or depression, but your best bet is for her to see a psychiatrist to be diagnosed properly. I’ve hidden some pretty whopper panic attacks and no one knew I was going through them at the time. It is possible she’s had and hidden them well. I’m not a doctor and I wish I could help you more. Please post other info about your GF if you have any and maybe someone else here can give you more insight. Sorry! Di

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I thought I would come to this NG for some input. My girlfriend and I have been together for three years now. When we met she was abusing volume and was on her last leg, just darn near living in her car but always had here pills. I took her in and was able to stop the pill taking execept for a few incidents. Anyhow this takes us to where we are now. A few weeks ago I noticed that she was acting the same as on volume. I was at my last string when she finally told me she had been to the doctors for anxiety attacks and depression. She claimed that she was diagnosed before we had met. Her doctor, a few weeks ago prescribed her xanax and zoloft to there maximum dose. Now I have read a few internet sites on anxiety attacks and I have not witnessed one episode. In fact I have not seen any depression or sadness throughout our relationship. She has told me recently that she can tell when one is coming so she just leaves to her moms to deal with it. So I guess my question is, are pills something that can be abused or should I look farther into the anxiety attacks? Can a family doctor diagnose anxiety and depression?

Dear Ken, Welcome to ASAP!!! Yes, a family doctor can diagnosis and treat anxiety and depression. However, it is in anyones best interest to go to a psych doctor to be diagnosed and treated, they know much more about anxiety and depression than a MD. I am not surprised that you haven`t witnessed any panic or depression in your girlfriend. We tend to cover up these disorders quite well. My husband very rarely can tell when I am having a bad time. My mother has told me she cannot believe that I have an anxiety disorder, I can be at her home with high anxiety and yet come across cheerful and calm. However, it takes great stength and energy to give the appearance of calm and control, it actually increases our anxiety and depression in the long run. It is also very hard for many people with an anxiety disorder or depression to confide in another person about their disorder. We fear rejection and judgement, all we want is acceptance and an attempt at understanding us. Perhaps that is why she didn`t tell you right away. Maybe she has been hurt by someone over this in the past. Xanax can be abused, however people who take benzo`s for anxiety disorders usually don`t abuse them. As long as she follows her doctors instructions on how to take the xanax, she should be okay. If she takes the Xanax for an extended period of time she will become dependent on them. What that means is she can never quit Xanax cold turkey, if she does it could make her quite sick. When the time comes to get off Xanax she will need to wean slowly under her doctors care, she may experience uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms. Same goes with Zoloft, she should never quit cold turkey, but to wean off them under a doctors care. I know you must feel confused by all of this. You must care alot for her for you to post at this newsgroup to learn more about her meds and disorder. The best thing you can do for her is to support her unconditionally, she will do go far with you love and support. Anger and ill spoken words( not saying you have done this) hurt more than people can imagine. She needs to feel safe. Also educate yourself about her meds and disorder, knowledge is power, you will also be able to help her better if you understand the nature of this beast. Here is a link to a great website on anxiety disorders. Make sure you check out the family and friends link on this page, you will find some info and support for the *support* person of an anxiety sufferer. http://panicdisorder.about.com/health/panicdisorder/index.htm?COB=hom… I wish the both of you much luck and take care. Jackie

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he started me on too much paxil 20mgs and to little xanax.5mgs. I called him and told him i was still having panic attacks and he told me i could up the xanax and that 20 mgs of paxil was for depression. so then i went to 30mgs of paxil then 40mgs then 50mgs. i had to wait 3 months to see a psychiatrist. donny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Effexor Xr 150 » (long) Not doing so well

(long) Not doing so well

Question:

I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes.

I’m glad you are giving up your silence. but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much.

<nod, nod I know this one. , and my moods can change so rapidly

Mine too. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again,

OK, NOW you’re really starting to sound like me but I went on Xanax. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep.

I’m not telling but I might do this too but the Xanax does knock me out for a while. I also have been having weird and bad dreams again. I hope you start doing better soon. Maybe by opening up it will help. Mary Beth p’ed and e’d

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my

hugs to you too! Sfunny.. I was just thinking I hadn’t seen you for a while in asd… glad to see that you are okayish…. I know how you feel about tiredness… I’m on 225mg daily of effexor, and i constantly feel very tired….. I sleep ok, but i wake at 7am every day ((( have you tried herbal sleeping pills??? They may mess up with your meds…. Not getting enough sleep is annoying…. Have you mentioned your sleeping problems to your GP/therapist??? Don’t worry for posting for selfish reasons…. you have helped us loads of times in the past, so it’s time that we helped you…. Take care of yourself you hear??? Brian… Pooh… Something stinks in my room…. Better get the hoover out!!! /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’m glad you are giving up your silence.

Thanks. Staying silent seems safer, but I know talking and stepping over the other boundaries that I think keep me safe is the only way for me to make progress. but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. <nod, nod I know this one.

It’s hard for people, even those who, like Leigh, have battled some depression themselves, to see things from my point of view. When some days just getting out of bed is a great achievement, or even just staying alive, it seems to me like I’m making a huge effort. But other people can’t read my mind, and they don’t know how hard some days can be, so to them, it seems like I’m doing nothing. , and my moods can change so rapidly Mine too.

This is new for me, since I’m not bipolar. All I know is that one day, or even one hour, I can feel fairly good, and the next I’m crying or just unable to function at all. It’s taking a bit of getting used to. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, OK, NOW you’re really starting to sound like me but I went on Xanax.

I haven’t slept well in years, so I’m thinking of telling my pdoc when I see him next week if I can try a different sedative, because obviously the valium isn’t working as well as it’s supposed to. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. I’m not telling but I might do this too but the Xanax does knock me out for a while. I also have been having weird and bad dreams again. I hope you start doing better soon. Maybe by opening up it will help. Mary Beth p’ed and e’d

Thanks Mary Beth. I’m glad you’ve found a pill that helps you sleep, at least at the moment anyway. Luckily, I haven’t had many medication induced dreams (in fact, I rarely dream at all) so I really hope those go away quickly. I hope opening up a bit and posting again helps me, because nothing else seems to be working anymore. Also, thanks for responding to my post. You don’t usually respond to things I write, and I was starting to wonder if I’d offended you or something. I couldn’t think of how I might have done that, but I felt like I was being ignored. I’m glad I’ve been proven wrong, and I can assume those thoughts were my own paranoia sneaking in again. I would have said that via e-mail, rather than posting it to the group, but my proxy server is screwed up at the moment, and I can’t access my web based mail, only the account and newsgroups I have set up through Outlook Express. Thanks again, Kylie.

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CAREFUL WITH THE VALIUM. It is a muscle relaxant. And your Heart is a MUSCLE. I do hope you find something to help you get some sleep. Have you tried Ambien or Deseryl? I flip and flop like a fish out of water at times when i try to sleep at night, i have been meaning to go to a sleep clinic. If you constantly wake up, you will never get into your REM stage of sleep and you will feel tired all of the time. I hope that you are doing better. Sincerely, Trish

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It sure sounds like you’ve been through an unbelievable amount of shit. I can’t even imagine.

Yep, an "unbelievable amount of shit" sums it up pretty well, although there are others here who have been through worse. I’ve been diagnosed for about 14 months now, and on meds for about 8 months, yet nothing has made any difference. I’m now failing out of uni because I can’t function properly, and I’m just trying to hang in there until my psychiatrist finds a medication that works for me. He does believe I will respond to an SSRI, but since there’s a hell of a lot of them it could take a while to find the right one. I have depression and have been "lucky" – I found a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – great shrink many years ago who knew what she was doing about medication and put me on Parnate, which I have been taking for almost 10 years. I also have seen her on a regular basis for psychotherapy. It sound horrible that you had to experience these kind of side effects on your medication. A competent doctor should work with you to find the best medicine for you which does not have those kind of effects. There are so many medications available now – for me, I only got real help when I went to a shrink who was trained in psychopharmocology. It was a great combination – she knew everything about the medicines and was a great psychotherapist. There are a lot of people out there like that. Maybe you could find a better shrink/therapist who would work more closely with you to get the right meds which don’t fuck up your body. Good luck.

I’m not considering changing therapists or psychiatrists yet, because I have a great relationship with my therp, and my pdoc’s specialty is abuse and trauma survivors, which is what I need, and he is nice. I will admit that the side-effects are a total pain in the arse, but hopefully I will find a good med soon which will work, so I don’t have to keep getting used to new meds and adjusting to new effects. Thanks for caring, and I’ll definitely keep what you’ve said about changing therps or pdocs if I don’t start making some progress soon. Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg. Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb. I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do. I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks. I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it. I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go. I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick. I only spoke to the receptionist. I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep. Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. It still hasn’t worked. I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours. So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep. But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works. And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment. Sorry for not posting lately. There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone. I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website: http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. i’ve missed you. sorry, i should have said something. i’m glad you posted though, and i’m sorry things are not better for you right now. keep hangin on, kylie.

Thanks. I didn’t think anyone had noticed I was gone. I was hoping someone would care and post an MIA or something, but I needed to talk so I decided that my pride isn’t that important after all, and I should do what’s right for me, which is posting when I need to. I’m still hanging on, even though it’s really tough some days. I keep going because of the slight hope that things will get better, so I’m clinging to that as tight as I can. {{{{{{kylie}}}}}}

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my hugs to you too! Sfunny.. I was just thinking I hadn’t seen you for a while in asd… glad to see that you are okayish….

Thanks. I didn’t think people would notice that I was gone. I know how you feel about tiredness… I’m on 225mg daily of effexor, and i constantly feel very tired….. I sleep ok, but i wake at 7am every day (((

I understand. Last year, I had problems falling asleep. Now, I can fall asleep fairly quickly, but I just can’t stay asleep. It’s become normal for me to wake up every 2 or 3 hours for no reason at all. have you tried herbal sleeping pills??? They may mess up with your meds…. Not getting enough sleep is annoying….

My boyfriend gave me some herbal pills called Valerian which sometimes work, and they don’t seem to interfere with my meds, but the instructions say take 3-6 tablets at night to improve sleep, and it takes the full 6 to have any effect at all for me, so I’m going through the bottle very quickly, and they’re expensive. Unfortunatly I’m on a limited budget, so that has to be a consideration. Have you mentioned your sleeping problems to your GP/therapist???

Heaps of times. They keep telling me the antidepressants or the valium will work, but since it’s becoming more and more obvious that they aren’t, hopefully they’ll decide to try something else. Don’t worry for posting for selfish reasons…. you have helped us loads of times in the past, so it’s time that we helped you….

I suppose…..It still feels like I’m being selfish though. Take care of yourself you hear???

I hear, and I’m trying. Brian… Pooh… Something stinks in my room…. Better get the hoover out!!!

hehehehe Thanks Brian, Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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Thanks Trish. I know it was stupid to take that much Valium. The only good thing was that I spaced the pills out through the night, rather than taking double my maximum dose all at once. I’m just willing to try anything if it means I’ll get a good nights sleep, and not constantly feel exhausted. I had no other intentions. I’m feeling a little bit better at the moment, but I hope stress doesn’t kick in too badly with my exams approaching, because I know how much that effects me. I’m just hanging in there and hoping that my pdoc will have some new suggestions when I see him next week. Again, thanks for your concern. I know it was a mistake, and I won’t experiment with my valium doseage again. Kylie.

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I also have been having weird and bad dreams again.

Are you sharing all your dreams with Terry? Is he interested, or bored? If he is bored, you could tell me instead. I could be your new husband for that purpose, until Jun.05 anyway.

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<<I can’t access my web based mail, only the account and newsgroups I have set up through Outlook Express. Did you get the e-mail I sent you on May.05&06?

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<<I can fall asleep fairly quickly, but I just can’t stay asleep. It’s become normal for me to wake up every 2 or 3 hours for no reason at all. I’m that way normally. If it’s dark at night, I fall back to sleep each time, but if I go to bed really late at night, then when it’s already morning light and I wake up I can’t get back to sleep. By the way, it’s 3AM now, which means I am going to get only 2.5 hours sleep before first light wakes me up and I can’t get back to sleep, shit!

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little mouse said: <<I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me. Last Fall we were exchanging e-mail. I was encouraging you to say ‘hi’ to people etc. to overcome shyness. Apparently my advice worked, because you met your sweetheart ‘Leigh’ and ended your virginity with him. But when I e-mailed you a few weeks ago because you were hurting so bad and I wanted to help you, you ignored my e-mail, never replied. What’s wrong with you? <<Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. Oh, that’s so sad. I was so happy for you when you found Leigh. Leigh, if you are reading this, when she’s depressed DON’T fight with her, just hold her in your arms and let her know you love her, and ignore anything she says that seems to come from her depression. Don’t let her bad mood sucker you into a fight with her. Just give her the love she deserves, and which I know you want to give her but she resists it. Give it anyway, even if she says no sometimes. Let her know you love her in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, unconditionally. If you don’t actually love her like that, send me private e-mail so we can discuss it without her eavesdropping on it (remove my "shell." to get correct address). <<He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. Leigh, she can’t come to your place, she’s too emotionally low. You need to go to her place and stay with her. When she feels better THEN she can come to your place again. Don’t get angry at her for being lazy at times like this, you hear?? I cared about her before you even met her, and I still care about her, and I’m not going to let you treat her bad in her time of need. <<I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. No, don’t do that! He loves you and wants to help you. Don’t turn him away. He’ll be hurt more by not being allowed to be with you and help you, and worry if you’ll commit suicide while he’s gone, than any trivial hurt from something that "hurts" him. Please don’t turn him away if he wants to help you get through this. Please don’t worry about saying something to hurt him. Please listen to my advice. <<There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Back to shy like you were last Summer? I got that way myself from August to early April, due to depression caused by SweetPest’s ending our friendship and nobody else in Real Life ever wanting me. So I understand. But if you let Leigh be with you almost all the time, and let him hug and kiss you many hours per day, you won’t get so depressed as I was totally alone with not a single person ever calling or visiting to check if I was alive much less feeling OK. <<Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. That’s fine with me. You need help right now. My help is yours.

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg. Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb. I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do. I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks. I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it. I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go. I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick. I only spoke to the receptionist. I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep. Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. It still hasn’t worked. I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours. So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep. But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works. And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment. Sorry for not posting lately. There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone. I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website: http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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It sure sounds like you’ve been through an unbelievable amount of shit. I can’t even imagine. I have depression and have been "lucky" – I found a great shrink many years ago who knew what she was doing about medication and put me on Parnate, which I have been taking for almost 10 years. I also have seen her on a regular basis for psychotherapy. It sound horrible that you had to experience these kind of side effects on your medication. A competent doctor should work with you to find the best medicine for you which does not have those kind of effects. There are so many medications available now – for me, I only got real help when I went to a shrink who was trained in psychopharmocology. It was a great combination – she knew everything about the medicines and was a great psychotherapist. There are a lot of people out there like that. Maybe you could find a better shrink/therapist who would work more closely with you to get the right meds which don’t fuck up your body. Good luck.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg. Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb. I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do. I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks. I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it. I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go. I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick. I only spoke to the receptionist. I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep. Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. It still hasn’t worked. I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours. So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep. But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works. And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment. Sorry for not posting lately. There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone. I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website: http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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Depression 101 is now dismissed. ;-) Jenny Thanks so much for the information. I have one question. You mentioned about when depression lasts a long time. What are the general timeframes for a long time? Leslie – Glen Ellyn, IL *****I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a door mat Rebecca West 1913*****

Can you remember the last time you felt good? Does it seem like a long time? For some people a week is a long time. For others of us it takes years before we admit there’s a problem. — Cindy Brown Cross-stitcher, quilter, designer, and cat-lover "If you know what you want, then you go and you find it, and you get it…. When the end is right, it justifies the beans!" _Into the Woods_ by Stephen Sondheim

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Over the past several weeks, I’ve been reading the posts on depression. I decided this evening that it’s time to speak up. I am a mental health professional, a therapist. Although my primary focus is children and families, I also run our clinic’s Medication Clinic, where I assist the psychiatrist who comes once each week. Personally, I have been taking Effexor for four years due to Major Depressive Disorder, Recurrent, without Psychotic Features. Now that I’ve stated my credentials, let me make a few clarifications. 1. The predominant theory, and most widely accepted, of depression is that it is caused by a combination of a neurochemical imbalance and poor coping skills. Thus a person may have an imbalance but good coping skills or not much conflict or adversity, and only experience more frequent down days than an otherwise normal person. If that person were to suddenly have a major crisis, he or she would be more likely to suffer a depressive episode. 2. "Clinical" and "chronic" refer to the level and length of the depression. Clinical depression is the type that requires counseling and usually medication. Situational depression results for something going on in the person’s life and usually can be treated with counseling alone. Chronic depression means it has been going on for a long time, usually most of the person’s life. Dysthymia is a mild depression every day for at least two years. Depression can also be related to medical conditions and substance abuse. Bipolar Disorder, or manic-depression, is a chemical imbalance which causes the person to have severe mood swings. It is usually treated with lithium but also responds to some of the drugs that are used to treat seizure disorders. Bipolar Disorder is *not* treated with anti-anxiety drugs. 3. Depression doesn’t always present as the stereotypical tearfulness, hopelessness, and helplessness. The person can be easily agitated and prone to angry outbursts. This is especially true in children. The person can be easily distracted and have very poor concentration. Frequently children are misdiagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) when they are really depression. Children who have to take really high doses of Ritalin or Cylert may be depressed not hyperactive. 4. Several types of drugs are used to treat depression, from the older tricyclics and MAO inhibitors to the newer SRI inhibitors (Prozac, Effexor, Paxil). A new generation of drugs is now on the market that works differently from all the others. These different types of drugs are necessary because each person’s depression is different, caused by a different set of factors. Besides chemotherapy and counseling, increased activity is essential. That’s why doing needlework can help. There are several sites on the web for information about depression. However, if you or a loved one is suffering from a mood disorder, you need to seek counseling. It doesn’t go away by itself. You have to work at it. And it may be some of the hardest work you’ve ever done, but it’s well worth the effort to have yourself back. Depression 101 is now dismissed. ;-) Jenny

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: Depression 101 is now dismissed. ;-) : Jenny : : : Thanks so much for the information. I have one question. You mentioned about : when depression lasts a long time. What are the general timeframes for a long : time? Well let’s see….. an abusive childhood resulted in at least 12 years of depression-like syptoms before I was diagnosed upon entering therapy. And the diagnosis was in the Autumn of 1992. Just one example…. ;) Sherri : Leslie – Glen Ellyn, IL : *****I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I : only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that : differentiate me from a door mat Rebecca West 1913*****

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Depression 101 is now dismissed. ;-) Jenny

Thanks so much for the information. I have one question. You mentioned about when depression lasts a long time. What are the general timeframes for a long time? Leslie – Glen Ellyn, IL *****I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a door mat Rebecca West 1913*****

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(NikoKat) writes: The person can be easily agitated and prone to

angry outbursts. This is especially true in children

It is even more especially true in men…I bought a book about Men’s Depression, "I Don’t Want to Talk About It" and many symptoms of depression in men show up so differently…it even eluded that it can lead to abuse of women and children. Denise in Akron, Ohio X/USA/H2/X13/Y9/1D/XXX/0=/:-D~/L/G-/Wo/D/M/B/b/R+/S+/K-/E/Anthony Hopkins/Robert Naseef/cold pumpkin pie with whipped cream sprinkled with a sugar/cinnamon mix

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