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$240 for a "trial" package?  You guys gotta be kidding!  Is anybody who subscribes to this group stupid enough to send these assholes money? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, We are writing to announce that Johnny Powers has joined as a partner with William Lee, and we now have both the 20mg Lilly Icos original Cialis and the 20mg Chinese manufactured generic Cialis available. business. Lee did not save his emails offline, so he has no record of your order. However, as his partner, Johnny Powers will honor every commitment that William Lee made.  If you have an order of the generic 20mg Chinese Cialis pending, just write to us with the banking and the order details, and we will get the package mailed off to you. So, this is what we have now Real (Lilly Icos) 20mg Cialis Tablets Available for Sale in Quantity 1.)Small trial sample   $15 USD per pill.  16 pills for $15 each, that would be $240  for a 16 pill personal use supply.  (16 pills = 4 blister packs) 2.)Personal use supply   $10 USD per pill.  60 pills for $10 each, that would be $600  for a nice 60 pill personal use supply.  (60 pills = 15 blister packs) 3.)Large Lot sales    $5 USD per pill.  We are willing to really deeply discount to sell in large lots.  We are willing to sell 1,000 pill lots for $5 each, that would be $5,000 for a 1,000 pills.  (1,000 pills = 250 blister packs) Now, We Also Have Generic Chinese Cialis 20mg Pills Available at the following prices: 100 pills for $99-USD  (0.99 per pill) 200 pills for $180-USD  (0.90  per pill) 300 pills for $245-USD  (0.817 per pill) These prices for both the Generic and the Lilly Pharmaceuticals Cialis include shipping to any destination via parcel post.  We have had no problems with any countrys customs.  We place industry standard labeling and customs declarations on the package, and we have our doctors letter inside the package. Please write for ordering instructions Security Issues, we will not allow ourselves to be run out the business, the way that my friend William Lee was treated by Yahoo. Whenever we correspond, I will always send a bcc copy to my Hotmail Save that Hotmail address.  Email to us at Hotmail should hushmail ever fail. Should hushmail roll-over for the net nannies and shut down this account, we will still have your order information at hotmail, and saved offline on our laptops, and we will not loose or otherwise fail to honor any commitments that we make

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There’s a sucker born every minute..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – $240 for a "trial" package?  You guys gotta be kidding!  Is anybody who subscribes to this group stupid enough to send these assholes money? Hello, We are writing to announce that Johnny Powers has joined as a partner with William Lee, and we now have both the 20mg Lilly Icos original Cialis and the 20mg Chinese manufactured generic Cialis available. business. Lee did not save his emails offline, so he has no record of your order. However, as his partner, Johnny Powers will honor every commitment that William Lee made.  If you have an order of the generic 20mg Chinese Cialis pending, just write to us with the banking and the order details, and we will get the package mailed off to you. So, this is what we have now Real (Lilly Icos) 20mg Cialis Tablets Available for Sale in Quantity 1.)Small trial sample   $15 USD per pill.  16 pills for $15 each, that would be $240  for a 16 pill personal use supply.  (16 pills = 4 blister packs) 2.)Personal use supply   $10 USD per pill.  60 pills for $10 each, that would be $600  for a nice 60 pill personal use supply.  (60 pills = 15 blister packs) 3.)Large Lot sales    $5 USD per pill.  We are willing to really deeply discount to sell in large lots.  We are willing to sell 1,000 pill lots for $5 each, that would be $5,000 for a 1,000 pills.  (1,000 pills = 250 blister packs) Now, We Also Have Generic Chinese Cialis 20mg Pills Available at the following prices: 100 pills for $99-USD  (0.99 per pill) 200 pills for $180-USD  (0.90  per pill) 300 pills for $245-USD  (0.817 per pill) These prices for both the Generic and the Lilly Pharmaceuticals Cialis include shipping to any destination via parcel post.  We have had no problems with any countrys customs.  We place industry standard labeling and customs declarations on the package, and we have our doctors letter inside the package. Please write for ordering instructions Security Issues, we will not allow ourselves to be run out the business, the way that my friend William Lee was treated by Yahoo. Whenever we correspond, I will always send a bcc copy to my Hotmail Save that Hotmail address.  Email to us at Hotmail should hushmail ever fail. Should hushmail roll-over for the net nannies and shut down this account, we will still have your order information at hotmail, and saved offline on our laptops, and we will not loose or otherwise fail to honor any commitments that we make

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Hello, We are writing to announce that Johnny Powers has joined as a partner with William Lee, and we now have both the 20mg Lilly Icos original Cialis and the 20mg Chinese manufactured generic Cialis available. business. Lee did not save his emails offline, so he has no record of your order. However, as his partner, Johnny Powers will honor every commitment that William Lee made.  If you have an order of the generic 20mg Chinese Cialis pending, just write to us with the banking and the order details, and we will get the package mailed off to you. So, this is what we have now Real (Lilly Icos) 20mg Cialis Tablets Available for Sale in Quantity 1.)Small trial sample   $15 USD per pill.  16 pills for $15 each, that would be $240  for a 16 pill personal use supply.  (16 pills = 4 blister packs) 2.)Personal use supply   $10 USD per pill.  60 pills for $10 each, that would be $600  for a nice 60 pill personal use supply.  (60 pills = 15 blister packs) 3.)Large Lot sales    $5 USD per pill.  We are willing to really deeply discount to sell in large lots.  We are willing to sell 1,000 pill lots for $5 each, that would be $5,000 for a 1,000 pills.  (1,000 pills = 250 blister packs) Now, We Also Have Generic Chinese Cialis 20mg Pills Available at the following prices: 100 pills for $99-USD  (0.99 per pill) 200 pills for $180-USD  (0.90  per pill) 300 pills for $245-USD  (0.817 per pill) These prices for both the Generic and the Lilly Pharmaceuticals Cialis include shipping to any destination via parcel post.  We have had no problems with any countrys customs.  We place industry standard labeling and customs declarations on the package, and we have our doctors letter inside the package. Please write for ordering instructions Security Issues, we will not allow ourselves to be run out the business, the way that my friend William Lee was treated by Yahoo. Whenever we correspond, I will always send a bcc copy to my Hotmail Save that Hotmail address.  Email to us at Hotmail should hushmail ever fail. Should hushmail roll-over for the net nannies and shut down this account, we will still have your order information at hotmail, and saved offline on our laptops, and we will not loose or otherwise fail to honor any commitments that we make

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I’m having a root canal done on Friday. I’m going to a dentist that I’ve never seen before and I don’t know the name of the novacaine that doesn’t accelerate the heart. ‘Lil help? Peace, John — The charter is available at:

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YOU SAID YOU WAS LEAVIN’ !!!!  doncha hate when people come to yer house, advertise they’re leavin, get in tha dang car… then come back’n stay awhile? JUST when ya get nekkid and start eatin a nuked artichoke, feelin’ like you can breathe agin? ok.. i’m gunna call ya Uncle Buck from this day forward .Yoga helps a lot, and specially CBT. CBT ain’t cognitive behavioral therapy where i come from, Uncle Buck.. and i gotchur CBT !!!! Sagan, and hypochondriac. (no, english is not my mother tongue

(cept when it’s convenient)  and by tha way.. WHO ASKED YA?

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I have been on Atenolol 25mg which is a beta blocker and about the lowest dose around, in fact my doctor told me that it has only been around 2 or 3 years.  I’ve been taking it for about a year now and I have to say I feel a lot more rested and together than when I was on no medication at all. Panic Attacks are rare now, although I still get bouts of anxiety but I guess that everyone.  One thing though, coming off it is annoying because of the shakes but because of my low doasge my doctor said it wouldn’t neccesarily be that much of a problem. Daniko.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom I take Xanax and a beta blocker, but I have a pacemaker so the beta blocker is to lower the heart rate when the pacer isn’t doin it’s job…sometimes it fires off to a rate of nearly 200bpm. If you get on a beta blocker, take it at night because it tends to make you tired and feel crappy (due to the lowering of the heart rate). — If you sing a country song backwards, you get your job and your wife back. Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues.

Hi Tom. This sounds very familiar to me. I have exactly the same problem/fear though I had more frequent attacks (one every three days) until I started to take xanax and zoloft. I feel quite well now. I’ve found that my dosage is fine, or perhaps in the borderline, at 3.5mg of Xanax XR (1.5-0.5-1.5) and 75mg of Zoloft. Sometimes I take 0.5mg of Ativan if I feel a bit anxious or Xanax IR for special occasions My resting HR is among 60 and 65 bpm, and during a Holter test, it decreased to 40 being asleep, which you know is normal, and increased to 140!!! in the afternoon because of my fear while thinking about the possible results of the test. I also had white coat HBP (140-155 sistolic and 90-95 diastolic), while my normal BP (during a 24h. monitoring was 137-87) and I was VERY anxious that whole day, I didn’t sleep at all :/ (I was not taking benzos). The lowest BP I’ve seen in body was 130/80, one night, after the doc at the ER told me I was not dying (the first time I had a panic attack), I felt so well and happy that didn’t notice they were measuring my BP Yoga helps a lot, and specially CBT. Change your point of view, stop thinking about your health/yourself. This was MHO. Good luck. Sagan, and hypochondriac. (no, english is not my mother tongue

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Gary and others, Thank you for the replies.  You have eased my anxiety, and all have diagnosed me quite accurately….you’re hired.  Imagine being anxious because BP is not 120/80, or because sleep is not perfect, or because resting heart rate increases from 50 to 65 BPM.  That’s me. I suspect all of my recent ailments are related to doing too much (running, volleyball, weights), without paying enough attention to food and water intake, and paying too much attention to heart rate and blood pressure.  Interestingly, overtraining symptoms (OK, from what I’ve read in the medical literature) include anxiety, moodiness, and insomnia.  My sleep in near normal now that I’ve backed off the excessive/obsessive exercise! I have an excellent benefit plan and will see someone in the employee assistance program.  If medication is the answer, I will consider it. Thanks again for the replies.  I will stay tuned here to keep tabs on all the latest and greatest. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom, it just occured to me that I left out one thing I wanted to tell you. The current zeitgeist in medicine is to treat anxiety with SSRI antidepressants, such as Paxil, Effexor etc, or tricyclic antidepressants, such as desipramine or nortryptiline..  In that you referenced some episodes of what are likely postural hypotension (dizziness when standing), a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) would not be a particularly good choice for you – these drugs have a ‘moderate’ affinity for alpha 1 adrenergic receptor blockade, which is the primary reason why postural hypotension is such a common side effect with these agents.  Celexa (an SSRI) is my personal favorite because it is the most selective agent for the serotonin receptor – ten times moreso than Paxil, despite the fact that Paxil is clearly the most potent inhibitor of serotonin reuptake.  Potency is mainly a good predictor of adverse events and drug interactions, whereas selectivity will be a better predictor of clinical results.  In the slang of the psychiatry industry, Celexa (or lexapro if you like) is more "clean". Having taken many of these drugs myself, I’ve also found that Celexa is the most anxiolytic of them that I’ve tried.  Another thing I wanted to mention but forgot – I’ve been taking Xanax for 13 years now, and the dose is still the same, and it works just fine every single day. –Gary

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. Hi Tom. This sounds very familiar to me. I have exactly the same problem/fear though I had more frequent attacks (one every three days) until I started to take xanax and zoloft. I feel quite well now. I’ve found that my dosage is fine, or perhaps in the borderline, at 3.5mg of Xanax XR (1.5-0.5-1.5) and 75mg of Zoloft. Sometimes I take 0.5mg of Ativan if I feel a bit anxious or Xanax IR for special occasions My resting HR is among 60 and 65 bpm, and during a Holter test, it decreased to 40 being asleep, which you know is normal, and increased to 140!!! in the afternoon because of my fear while thinking about the possible results of the test. I also had white coat HBP (140-155 sistolic and 90-95 diastolic), while my normal BP (during a 24h. monitoring was 137-87) and I was VERY anxious that whole day, I didn’t sleep at all :/ (I was not taking benzos). The lowest BP I’ve seen in body was 130/80, one night, after the doc at the ER told me I was not dying (the first time I had a panic attack), I felt so well and happy that didn’t notice they were measuring my BP Yoga helps a lot, and specially CBT. Change your point of view, stop thinking about your health/yourself.

Now that is good advice Sagan, and is also very familiar. Now where have I heard that before?! ;o)

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Tom, it just occured to me that I left out one thing I wanted to tell you. The current zeitgeist in medicine is to treat anxiety with SSRI antidepressants, such as Paxil, Effexor etc, or tricyclic antidepressants, such as desipramine or nortryptiline..  In that you referenced some episodes of what are likely postural hypotension (dizziness when standing), a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) would not be a particularly good choice for you – these drugs have a ‘moderate’ affinity for alpha 1 adrenergic receptor blockade, which is the primary reason why postural hypotension is such a common side effect with these agents.  Celexa (an SSRI) is my personal favorite because it is the most selective agent for the serotonin receptor – ten times moreso than Paxil, despite the fact that Paxil is clearly the most potent inhibitor of serotonin reuptake.  Potency is mainly a good predictor of adverse events and drug interactions, whereas selectivity will be a better predictor of clinical results.  In the slang of the psychiatry industry, Celexa (or lexapro if you like) is more "clean". Having taken many of these drugs myself, I’ve also found that Celexa is the most anxiolytic of them that I’ve tried.  Another thing I wanted to mention but forgot – I’ve been taking Xanax for 13 years now, and the dose is still the same, and it works just fine every single day. –Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many physicians are even ill-informed on the full depth and breadth of the subject of benzodiazepines.  When *taken for an indicated condition in the amount prescribed* benzodiazepines RARELY show evidence of tolerance or tachyphylaxis (needing to take more of the drug to get the same result). Over about 30 days, and often less, they DO lose their ability to sedate generally, so are not an especially good choice for sleep medicines in the long term – for most people.  I work with hundreds of MD’s and can absolutely assure you that a blood pressure of 135/85 is something that they would be UTTERLY unconcerned with.  The American Cardiology Association says that ideally one should have the diastolic (bottom number) pressure at 85 or less, so I’d keep an eye on the sodium intake. IF your pressure were to rise further, particularly the diastolic part, the first thing they’d likely want to do would be to add a mild diuretic to your ace-inhibitor, usually hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) As an athlete with a low resting heart rate and a BP like that, you would likely be unremarkable to any cardiologist, and I’ve worked in some pretty fancy shmanzy places where virtually everything was reacted to and treated aggressively.  The point:  don’t worry so much.  If ya can’t stop worrying, get some Xanax or some anxiolytic drug from your doctor – he should be far more interested in that problem than in your enviable pulse and blood pressure.  Kudos to you for exercising, it does keep anxiety from getting totally out of hand for a lot of people. I’ll even go so far as to say that if your physician actually agreed to give you a beta blocker with numbers like that (in that the drug isn’t indicated at all), I’d fire his ass.  It is clinically dangerous to administer any amount of beta blockade to someone with a resting heart rate of 50. Kindest Regards, Gary You will probably get plenty of "yes" votes for taking Xanax. I’ve heard that the effect lessens if taken regularly. In my opinion, a person with a resting heart rate that hovers in the 50’s ought not to be messing with beta blockers. You may be right, but I don’t think many knowledgible MDs would be unconcerned with a BP of 135/85. Also, as it appears you are mildly over-concerned about the "numbers" that indicate "good health", be aware that beta blockers can easily cause a rise in serum cholesterol levels. That’s what I’ve heard.  I’ll pass thanks. Exercising too much and not eating enough do not sound like difficult I have no one to blame but myself.  Funny how all of my sedentary friends and relatives all feel dandy 24/7.  My New Years resolution on Nov 1: exercise less eat more work less vacation more…. Thanks for the input. Mike Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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You will probably get plenty of "yes" votes for taking Xanax.   I’ve heard that the effect lessens if taken regularly.

You listened to the wrong people. As a rule no *tolerance* occurs with anxiety sufferers, it’s really exceedingly rare. In my opinion, a person with a resting heart rate that hovers in the 50’s ought not to be messing with beta blockers.  

I certainly agree. You may be right, but I don’t think many knowledgible MDs would be unconcerned with a BP of 135/85.

Actually this is well within the normal range, no reason to worry. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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Many physicians are even ill-informed on the full depth and breadth of the subject of benzodiazepines.  When *taken for an indicated condition in the amount prescribed* benzodiazepines RARELY show evidence of tolerance or tachyphylaxis (needing to take more of the drug to get the same result). Over about 30 days, and often less, they DO lose their ability to sedate generally, so are not an especially good choice for sleep medicines in the long term – for most people.  I work with hundreds of MD’s and can absolutely assure you that a blood pressure of 135/85 is something that they would be UTTERLY unconcerned with.  The American Cardiology Association says that ideally one should have the diastolic (bottom number) pressure at 85 or less, so I’d keep an eye on the sodium intake.  IF your pressure were to rise further, particularly the diastolic part, the first thing they’d likely want to do would be to add a mild diuretic to your ace-inhibitor, usually hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) As an athlete with a low resting heart rate and a BP like that, you would likely be unremarkable to any cardiologist, and I’ve worked in some pretty fancy shmanzy places where virtually everything was reacted to and treated aggressively.  The point:  don’t worry so much.  If ya can’t stop worrying, get some Xanax or some anxiolytic drug from your doctor – he should be far more interested in that problem than in your enviable pulse and blood pressure.  Kudos to you for exercising, it does keep anxiety from getting totally out of hand for a lot of people. I’ll even go so far as to say that if your physician actually agreed to give you a beta blocker with numbers like that (in that the drug isn’t indicated at all), I’d fire his ass.  It is clinically dangerous to administer any amount of beta blockade to someone with a resting heart rate of 50. Kindest Regards, Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You will probably get plenty of "yes" votes for taking Xanax. I’ve heard that the effect lessens if taken regularly. In my opinion, a person with a resting heart rate that hovers in the 50’s ought not to be messing with beta blockers. You may be right, but I don’t think many knowledgible MDs would be unconcerned with a BP of 135/85. Also, as it appears you are mildly over-concerned about the "numbers" that indicate "good health", be aware that beta blockers can easily cause a rise in serum cholesterol levels. That’s what I’ve heard.  I’ll pass thanks. Exercising too much and not eating enough do not sound like difficult I have no one to blame but myself.  Funny how all of my sedentary friends and relatives all feel dandy 24/7.  My New Years resolution on Nov 1: exercise less eat more work less vacation more…. Thanks for the input. Mike Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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You will probably get plenty of "yes" votes for taking Xanax.  

I’ve heard that the effect lessens if taken regularly. In my opinion, a person with a resting heart rate that hovers in the 50’s ought not to be messing with beta blockers.  

You may be right, but I don’t think many knowledgible MDs would be unconcerned with a BP of 135/85. Also, as it appears you are mildly over-concerned about the "numbers" that indicate "good health", be aware that beta blockers can easily cause a rise in serum cholesterol levels.

That’s what I’ve heard.  I’ll pass thanks. Exercising too much and not eating enough do not sound like difficult

I have no one to blame but myself.  Funny how all of my sedentary friends and relatives all feel dandy 24/7.  My New Years resolution on Nov 1: exercise less eat more work less vacation more…. Thanks for the input. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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You will probably get plenty of "yes" votes for taking Xanax.

i dunno what the topic is, but xanax ALWAYS gets MY vote.. AYE! Exercising too much and not eating enough do not sound like difficult

not difficult at all.. come live at my house. BADDA BING ! ::tossin backah twinkie:: ~tanya

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Tom I take Xanax and a beta blocker, but I have a pacemaker so the beta blocker is to lower the heart rate when the pacer isn’t doin it’s job…sometimes it fires off to a rate of nearly 200bpm. If you get on a beta blocker, take it at night because it tends to make you tired and feel crappy (due to the lowering of the heart rate). — If you sing a country song backwards, you get your job and your wife back.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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You will probably get plenty of "yes" votes for taking Xanax..  In my opinion, a person with a resting heart rate that hovers in the 50’s ought not to be messing with beta blockers.  Also, as it appears you are mildly over-concerned about the "numbers" that indicate "good health", be aware that beta blockers can easily cause a rise in serum cholesterol levels. Exercising too much and not eating enough do not sound like difficult

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Although I don’t have frequent panic attacks, my heart races in doctor office, and blood pessure soars.  I’ve been on 20 mg/day of an ACE inhibitor, and BP varies from 110/70 in summer to 135/85 in winter as measured by home monitor (cause unknown).  This is an established cycle over past three years. I almost considered asking to reduce the med, since I got some dizziness when standing when BPs were 105/65 every summer. Most problematic, not only do I have this anxiety in MDs office, but my HR will go up, at times, when I strap on my home BP monitor. FWIW, I believe I don’t have the most common form of hypertension, but, rather, anxiety about HAVING high blood pressure, as well as some anxiety when it comes to health issues. I’m thinking it’s time for a beta blocker, and my doc would likely agree. But I’m athletic, and resting heart rate most of the time is 50 BPM.  I’d hate to suffer side effects (ED, loss of ability to do strenuous exercise) to control the fight-or-flight response. Incidentally, my resting heart rate has recently climbed (15 BPM), as it does when I exercise too much and don’t eat enough.  One month of no exercise and more food usually get’s me back to 100%. As for the anxiety, I’m looking for comments regarding Xanax, Valium, and/or beta blockers, as well as yoga, biofeedback etc.  I’m type A personality, but never get this adrenaline rush unless it’s time to measure BP, or going on a first date Thanks, flighty-mikey

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I’ve just come back from the doctor, (who was a locum, not my usual doc)  and explained my nasty side effects and withdrawal symptoms to him (see my posting yesterday). I told him about this newsgroup and several websites that back-up mine and other stories, and that I was by no means a single case of these effects. He said he was very worried as I seemed not to be able to stop taking the Effexor, and would be urgently contacting the manufacturers and notifying the Committee for Safety of Medicines (government organisation in UK). I hope he has some success. He asked me to revisit him next week, when I hope to be a little more in the know. I’m cutting down to 37.5mg twice a day, but deep down I know this won’t help. What this situation needs is a real investigation. Sure, it helps a lot of people, but for many it is a nightmare. Anyway, I’m waffling on; bye for now. Peter Finan Bradford U.K

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I just quit Effexor XR with my pmd’d permission today.  Didn’t have very nice side effects and after the extreme headache I got last night, I said, please, no more.  I am not prone to headaches.  I was only up to 75 mg once a day, so it doesn’t appear to be a problem. I will keep you all posted! Marilyn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just come back from the doctor, (who was a locum, not my usual doc)  and explained my nasty side effects and withdrawal symptoms to him (see my posting yesterday). I told him about this newsgroup and several websites that back-up mine and other stories, and that I was by no means a single case of these effects. He said he was very worried as I seemed not to be able to stop taking the Effexor, and would be urgently contacting the manufacturers and notifying the Committee for Safety of Medicines (government organisation in UK). I hope he has some success. He asked me to revisit him next week, when I hope to be a little more in the know. I’m cutting down to 37.5mg twice a day, but deep down I know this won’t help. What this situation needs is a real investigation. Sure, it helps a lot of people, but for many it is a nightmare. Anyway, I’m waffling on; bye for now. Peter Finan Bradford U.K

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I had a horrible time coming off Effexor, in bed for most of six days. The thing that helped me out of it was Prozac (fluoxetine). I took 20mg-40mg per day until I was able to get my new AD up to a high enough dose. Prozac was the best for me because I had taken it before with no side effects and because it has a long half life and wouldn’t cause its own bad withdrawal effects. (I had withdrawal side effects with Paxil (paroxotine) too.) Roger

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just come back from the doctor, (who was a locum, not my usual doc) and explained my nasty side effects and withdrawal symptoms to him (see my posting yesterday). I told him about this newsgroup and several websites that back-up mine and other stories, and that I was by no means a single case of these effects. He said he was very worried as I seemed not to be able to stop taking the Effexor, and would be urgently contacting the manufacturers and notifying the Committee for Safety of Medicines (government organisation in UK). I hope he has some success. He asked me to revisit him next week, when I hope to be a little more in the know. I’m cutting down to 37.5mg twice a day, but deep down I know this won’t help. What this situation needs is a real investigation. Sure, it helps a lot of people, but for many it is a nightmare. Anyway, I’m waffling on; bye for now. Peter Finan Bradford U.K

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Twice a day won’t work with Neurontin unless you are worried about seizures. It wears off! If you can’t do at least 3x a day I am afraid you may be wasting your money. On 4x a day maybe you could take less. I don’t think Wellbutrin is the AD for you. I suggest something in the Celexa line, or if you could use help getting to sleep, Remeron. Just have your pharmacist give me a call. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Do you think going higher in dosage would help?  James suggests taking it every 6 hours would help.  I have a hard enough time remembering it twice a day.  At work it is chaos at times and remembering to take the medication would be very difficult.  So far I see no adverse reactions.  I can go higher.  It is costing me 300 a month but I would pay 500 or even 1000 dollars a month if I could enjoy life on a daily basis.  It took away my high highs… now I am left with really some bad bad lows.  But I do cycle out for a few short hours… but mornings are hell.  I take the meds at noon and in the evening.  That isn’t spaced out right though.  Should take the evening dose later but the morning dose wears off.  I don’t know if raising the wellbutrin would help.  Maybe I need to ask for Lamictal.  So tired of this.  Life was so much easier years ago.

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Do you think going higher in dosage would help?  James suggests taking it every 6 hours would help.  I have a hard enough time remembering it twice a day.  At work it is chaos at times and remembering to take the medication would be very difficult.  So far I see no adverse reactions.  I can go higher.  It is costing me 300 a month but I would pay 500 or even 1000 dollars a month if I could enjoy life on a daily basis.  It took away my high highs… now I am left with really some bad bad lows.  But I do cycle out for a few short hours… but mornings are hell.  I take the meds at noon and in the evening.  That isn’t spaced out right though.  Should take the evening dose later but the morning dose wears off.  I don’t know if raising the wellbutrin would help.  Maybe I need to ask for Lamictal.  So tired of this.  Life was so much easier years ago. —   O  ooo   Cindy          O – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am on 2400mg and still cycle….I just have lower lows and lower highs. I don’t feel clearer in thinking…but compared to lithium..whew!  This is MUCH better.  Just wish it would help more with the depressions. There appears to be no known therapeutic blood serum level for gabapentin used in bipolar. Each person will need a different amount. You could go as high as your doctor would allow, but money would be a limiting factor.

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I am on 2400mg and still cycle….I just have lower lows and lower highs.  I don’t feel clearer in thinking…but compared to lithium..whew!  This is MUCH better.  Just wish it would help more with the depressions.

There appears to be no known therapeutic blood serum level for gabapentin used in bipolar. Each person will need a different amount. You could go as high as your doctor would allow, but money would be a limiting factor.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4800mg is considered high, and the therapeutic range seems to span all dosages, at least for bipolar. Greetings everybody, I have rapid cyclings with sometimes mixed states. I never had any manic episode. I never took any mood stabilizer in my life. I’ve been taking antidepressants and anxiolytics for 10 years now with moderate results. And i lost so many jobs… So Neurontin is my first mood stabilizer. I’ve been taking Neurontin (100 mg x 4 per day) for 2 weeks now. I also take Effexor XR 150 mg per day. My mood is better. I’m not anymore angry and the anxiety is almost gone. My concentration is improved too. It’s great. I’m starting again to live after a long nightmare. However, i still have sometimes cyclings even if they are more rare and lower in intensity. What is the therapeutic range of Neurontin? I want to feel fine but to be honest i’m afraid to be *zombified* by a too much high dose of Neurontin. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Eric

Eric when I was on this drug, which was way back when it first came out on the market.  I was one of the test people for the drug.  I took 3600mgs. So higher doseages can be tolerated for this drug.  I was on it at least 3 different times for different reasons.  I was taken off 2 times and put back on it 2 other times to make it a total of 3 times.  The other mood stabilizer I was on it with I think was either Depakote or Lithium.  I am almost quite sure it was Depakote.   Betsy

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I am on 2400mg and still cycle….I just have lower lows and lower highs.  I don’t feel clearer in thinking…but compared to lithium..whew!  This is MUCH better.  Just wish it would help more with the depressions. —   O  ooo   Cindy          O – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Neurontin has been extremely helpful to me as an anti-depressant, mood stabilizer for me recently. I am a manic depressive. I’m nearly certain that the therapeutic range is about 400 to 2500 mgs. I am taking 2000mgs or just simply 2gs. By the way, I don’t feel "zombefied". On the contrary I feel very alert and relatively up. Good luck Ephriam Greetings everybody, I have rapid cyclings with sometimes mixed states. I never had any manic episode. I never took any mood stabilizer in my life. I’ve been taking antidepressants and anxiolytics for 10 years now with moderate results. And i lost so many jobs… So Neurontin is my first mood stabilizer. I’ve been taking Neurontin (100 mg x 4 per day) for 2 weeks now. I also take Effexor XR 150 mg per day. My mood is better. I’m not anymore angry and the anxiety is almost gone. My concentration is improved too. It’s great. I’m starting again to live after a long nightmare. However, i still have sometimes cyclings even if they are more rare and lower in intensity. What is the therapeutic range of Neurontin? I want to feel fine but to be honest i’m afraid to be *zombified* by a too much high dose of Neurontin. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Eric

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Which mood stabizer did you use along with neurontin? —   O  ooo   Cindy          O – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings everybody, I have rapid cyclings with sometimes mixed states. I never had any manic episode. I never took any mood stabilizer in my life. I’ve been taking antidepressants and anxiolytics for 10 years now with moderate results. And i lost so many jobs… So Neurontin is my first mood stabilizer. I’ve been taking Neurontin (100 mg x 4 per day) for 2 weeks now. I also take Effexor XR 150 mg per day. My mood is better. I’m not anymore angry and the anxiety is almost gone. My concentration is improved too. It’s great. I’m starting again to live after a long nightmare. However, i still have sometimes cyclings even if they are more rare and lower in intensity. What is the therapeutic range of Neurontin? I want to feel fine but to be honest i’m afraid to be *zombified* by a too much high dose of Neurontin. Suggestions? You can use more than one mood stabilizer. Neurontin should be taken every six hours.  A good therapeutic dose for me was 300 mgs 4 x per day until I added another mood stabilizer.  Once I had polytherapy I was able to lower my dose of Neurontin to 600 to 900 mgs per day. Good luck to you. Julie Thanks in advance. Eric

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Do i still have to take Neurontin 4 times a day if i increase the dosage from 400 to 600 or even 800 mg? What are the side effects of Neurontin at this dosage? Thanks.

Eric: The Neurontin is excreted every six hours.  Eight if you have a slow renal excretion rate. The six hours apart is crucial if it is your only mood stabilizer.  Even if you have increased the dosage. I learned that the hard way and ended up ultra rapidly cycling till I joined the ranks of the James Milton Philosophy It had it’s drawbacks, like setting my alarm for three am just to take a pill.  I did get used to it and it was effective.  I also got tired of it and now take 2 mood stabilizers and only take Neurontin 2x per day. Good Luck! Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eric

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4800mg is considered high, and the therapeutic range seems to span all dosages, at least for bipolar. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings everybody, I have rapid cyclings with sometimes mixed states. I never had any manic episode. I never took any mood stabilizer in my life. I’ve been taking antidepressants and anxiolytics for 10 years now with moderate results. And i lost so many jobs… So Neurontin is my first mood stabilizer. I’ve been taking Neurontin (100 mg x 4 per day) for 2 weeks now. I also take Effexor XR 150 mg per day. My mood is better. I’m not anymore angry and the anxiety is almost gone. My concentration is improved too. It’s great. I’m starting again to live after a long nightmare. However, i still have sometimes cyclings even if they are more rare and lower in intensity. What is the therapeutic range of Neurontin? I want to feel fine but to be honest i’m afraid to be *zombified* by a too much high dose of Neurontin. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Eric

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings everybody, I have rapid cyclings with sometimes mixed states. I never had any manic episode. I never took any mood stabilizer in my life. I’ve been taking antidepressants and anxiolytics for 10 years now with moderate results. And i lost so many jobs… So Neurontin is my first mood stabilizer. I’ve been taking Neurontin (100 mg x 4 per day) for 2 weeks now. I also take Effexor XR 150 mg per day. My mood is better. I’m not anymore angry and the anxiety is almost gone. My concentration is improved too. It’s great. I’m starting again to live after a long nightmare. However, i still have sometimes cyclings even if they are more rare and lower in intensity. What is the therapeutic range of Neurontin? I want to feel fine but to be honest i’m afraid to be *zombified* by a too much high dose of Neurontin. Suggestions?

You can use more than one mood stabilizer. Neurontin should be taken every six hours.  A good therapeutic dose for me was 300 mgs 4 x per day until I added another mood stabilizer.  Once I had polytherapy I was able to lower my dose of Neurontin to 600 to 900 mgs per day. Good luck to you. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks in advance. Eric

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Neurontin has been extremely helpful to me as an anti-depressant, mood stabilizer for me recently. I am a manic depressive. I’m nearly certain that the therapeutic range is about 400 to 2500 mgs. I am taking 2000mgs or just simply 2gs. By the way, I don’t feel "zombefied". On the contrary I feel very alert and relatively up. Good luck Ephriam

Do i still have to take Neurontin 4 times a day if i increase the dosage from 400 to 600 or even 800 mg? What are the side effects of Neurontin at this dosage? Thanks. Eric

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Greetings everybody, I have rapid cyclings with sometimes mixed states. I never had any manic episode. I never took any mood stabilizer in my life. I’ve been taking antidepressants and anxiolytics for 10 years now with moderate results. And i lost so many jobs… So Neurontin is my first mood stabilizer. I’ve been taking Neurontin (100 mg x 4 per day) for 2 weeks now. I also take Effexor XR 150 mg per day. My mood is better. I’m not anymore angry and the anxiety is almost gone. My concentration is improved too. It’s great. I’m starting again to live after a long nightmare. However, i still have sometimes cyclings even if they are more rare and lower in intensity. What is the therapeutic range of Neurontin? I want to feel fine but to be honest i’m afraid to be *zombified* by a too much high dose of Neurontin. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Eric

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Neurontin has been extremely helpful to me as an anti-depressant, mood stabilizer for me recently. I am a manic depressive. I’m nearly certain that the therapeutic range is about 400 to 2500 mgs. I am taking 2000mgs or just simply 2gs. By the way, I don’t feel "zombefied". On the contrary I feel very alert and relatively up. Good luck Ephriam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings everybody, I have rapid cyclings with sometimes mixed states. I never had any manic episode. I never took any mood stabilizer in my life. I’ve been taking antidepressants and anxiolytics for 10 years now with moderate results. And i lost so many jobs… So Neurontin is my first mood stabilizer. I’ve been taking Neurontin (100 mg x 4 per day) for 2 weeks now. I also take Effexor XR 150 mg per day. My mood is better. I’m not anymore angry and the anxiety is almost gone. My concentration is improved too. It’s great. I’m starting again to live after a long nightmare. However, i still have sometimes cyclings even if they are more rare and lower in intensity. What is the therapeutic range of Neurontin? I want to feel fine but to be honest i’m afraid to be *zombified* by a too much high dose of Neurontin. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Eric

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds like it could be the start of agoraphobia. I’m surprised that the Xanax isn’t controlling it, although, I’m not sure if "reluctant" means you don’t go far from home at all or you do but don’t ‘enjoy’ the experience. Zoloft, like all anti-depressants, does take 4-8 weeks to work fully, however, Xanax’s action is almost immediate, usually 10-15 minutes. You haven’t stated quantities, but it seems that your dosage is too low.  In addition to altering the dose, you can also use Xanax as a ’security blanket,’ take some with you and if you feel the need take an additional tablet. Initially, you may need the extra Xanax, but in time just knowing its there is enough. The meds. used to treat agoraphobia are exactly the same as for anxiety, so are the dosages. The point is that agoraphobia is a manifestation of fear, ie: anxiety, so if you lessen/eliminate the anxiety then you also lessen/eliminate agoraphobia. Ian    Ian<<atdragoncon<dotnet

I have been on a full treatment regimen of all the SSRI’s, while using Xanax and/or klonipin, and found the SSRI’s always, no matter how long I was on them for (sometimes up to two years at max dosage) created a mix of anxiety and fatigue. Now, YMMV, and this is just me, but I find the short acting benzo’s like Xanax, Serax, Ativan, the best. In particular Xanax. My belief is that, even though the drugs don’t stay in the body a long time, for somebody who wants to avoid depression caused by using benzo’s, this may be a good thing. The Xanax gets into the body, does it’s job of calming me down, and gets out. Just the chemical changes alone may be enough without having a constant stream of the drug running through your veins. Again, this is just my opinion and experience, and everybody IS different. Just thought I would share it. Peace James — "All of us get lost in the darkness… Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.." Neil Peart, Rush, "The Pass"

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snipped I have been on a full treatment regimen of all the SSRI’s, while using Xanax and/or klonipin, and found the SSRI’s always, no matter how long I was on them for (sometimes up to two years at max dosage) created a mix of anxiety and fatigue. Now, YMMV, and this is just me, but I find the short acting benzo’s like Xanax, Serax, Ativan, the best. snipped James

Hi, James Obviously you’re a benzo type guy, rather than a SSRI type. SSRI’s by virtue of their narrow method of action, mostly only on serotonin and specifically 5HT3, don’t suit everyone. It may be that you need something which also directly inhibits the noradrenaline (norepinephrine) pathways. Have you tried the TCA’s or Effexor. The TCAs affect a fairly wide range of neurotransmitters, Effexor affects both Serotonin and noradren. Just a thought. Ian    Ian<<atdragoncon<dotnet

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James MacLachlan schreef: I have been on a full treatment regimen of all the SSRI’s, while using Xanax and/or klonipin, and found the SSRI’s always, no matter how long I was on them for (sometimes up to two years at max dosage) created a mix of anxiety and fatigue. Now, YMMV, and this is just me, but I find the short acting benzo’s like Xanax, Serax, Ativan, the best. In particular Xanax. My belief is that, even though the drugs don’t stay in the body a long time, for somebody who wants to avoid depression caused by using benzo’s, this may be a good thing. The Xanax gets into the body, does it’s job of calming me down, and gets out. Just the chemical changes alone may be enough without having a constant stream of the drug running through your veins. Again, this is just my opinion and experience, and everybody IS different. Just thought I would share it. Peace James

Obviously benzo’s agree better with you than SSRI’s. There may be several reasons for that which I don’t want to go into now.BTW Xanax is the only benzo with a slight antidepressant effect as well. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — "All of us get lost in the darkness… Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.." Neil Peart, Rush, "The Pass"

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Hi. I use Zoloft 200mg. daily and Klonopin at night 1 1/2 tablets and 1/2 tablet during the day. Klonopin is in the same family as Xanax. I am doing better, but I have severe panic attacks while driving. I only drive alone in my hometown, which isn’t that large. As far as going out I can with others but always have the what if’s with me at all times. I’m going to Californina with my mom and sister to visit my niece and I am scared to death. I’m not afraid of flying. I’m afraid of having an attack with no male figure around. But somehow I will make it through. I’ve been nervous about the trip for the month and a

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Newtony 1 again. Yes the medication should treat both panic attacks & agoraphobia.

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I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet.  Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks?  Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.

This sounds like it could be the start of agoraphobia. I’m surprised that the Xanax isn’t controlling it, although, I’m not sure if "reluctant" means you don’t go far from home at all or you do but don’t ‘enjoy’ the experience. Zoloft, like all anti-depressants, does take 4-8 weeks to work fully, however, Xanax’s action is almost immediate, usually 10-15 minutes. You haven’t stated quantities, but it seems that your dosage is too low.  In addition to altering the dose, you can also use Xanax as a ’security blanket,’ take some with you and if you feel the need take an additional tablet. Initially, you may need the extra Xanax, but in time just knowing its there is enough. The meds. used to treat agoraphobia are exactly the same as for anxiety, so are the dosages. The point is that agoraphobia is a manifestation of fear, ie: anxiety, so if you lessen/eliminate the anxiety then you also lessen/eliminate agoraphobia. Ian    Ian<<atdragoncon<dotnet

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Hi also was put on xanex for my panic and I did experience not wanting to leave my house.  My DR. put me on paxil but it is the same as zoloft these meds take about 2-3 weeks before you notice any differance.  What I did to overcome my agoraphobia was to try to do at least one small trip a day and then as the paxil started to work I would take a xanex and go on a little larger trip now I can do the small trips with no xanex and the larger trips with a little help. It is very frustrating being on zoloft/paxil because there is not an automatic result but don’t give up it will get better I was were you are 3 weeks ago and now I’m half way to feeling like my old self!!  You can do it to !  Good Luck!!

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I would not call it agoraphobia, it sounds more like a secondary phobia to me.  With Panic and Anxiety these are not too uncommon.  I would think that the Zoloft would help here, but YMMV.  How long have you been on these meds?  Another possibility to look into to rid yourself of these fears would be CBT.  That has been the most helpful to me to get rid of my secondary phobias that have popped up since being diagnosed.  Of course YMMV. Good Luck d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet.  Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks?  Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.

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Milliestoy schreef: I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet.  Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks?  Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.

Yes, this is a form of agoraphobia. Anticipatory anxiety and agoraphobia are best treated by a combo of a benzo (Xanax) and CBT, which has great results if you work hard on exposure which isn’t always easy but often pays off. Since when are you taking Zoloft & Xanax? I think it would be a good advice to go out and find a clincical psychologist specialized in CBT. Research shows a very goods track record indeed. I myself was completely housebound for months, started CBT in January and travelled to France this summer without any trouble. Couldn’t have started CBT without my meds (imipramine and Xanax) though. Philip

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I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet.  Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks?  Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.

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First day on 150 milligrams, down from 225 around a week ago.

I don’t know, RGB…just be careful cuz I personally had a horrible time withdrawing from Effexor when I got down to the very minute doses.  I don’t know if you are going off it completely or not but just a kind of FYI that the wierd, electrical fuzzy feeling didn’t start until I was to a 1/4 a tablet a day.   Nik "I want to believe"……The X-Files ICQ # 7859124

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Oh, it gets better, RGB. Just wait for the bedspins, brain shivers, and nausea. — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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Oh, it gets better, RGB. Just wait for the bedspins, brain shivers, and nausea.

Bedspins? My bed was thumping like in the Exorcist. And I had Florida lightning storms between my ears and throughout my body. And nausea so bad I had to live on formula. Damn stuff works so well for so many and was such poison to me. Hey, this is a clue. Effexor is an SNRI isn’t it? — bev ~~~ veb ~~~~~~ vaj ~~~ http://members.tripod.com/~Veb

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Oh, it gets better, RGB. Just wait for the bedspins, brain shivers, and nausea. Bedspins? My bed was thumping like in the Exorcist. And I had Florida lightning storms between my ears and throughout my body. And nausea so bad I had to live on formula. Damn stuff works so well for so many and was such poison to me. Hey, this is a clue. Effexor is an SNRI isn’t it?

Yes, it’s an SNRI. I dropped from 375 mg to 300 mg a couple of weeks ago.  I thought the electric stuff was gone, but it keeps coming back – right down my arms and legs.  I hate the feeling.  Is this common? The good news is…I’m much more orgasmic.  The bad news is…there’s nobody but me to provide the orgasms.  <sigh Bluebird

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 I kinda liked the electric feeling thing tho.  It’d hit me as a ZOOM thru my head.  Weird but neat. charlie

I HATED this feeling!  I get nauseous just thinking about it. It’s me glad to finally be off the stuff! — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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 Sexual desire *  * I like this one.

Does this mean your cute little pet is in danger? Stuck

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RGB, Wait for the delayed orgasms. I was a 45 year old woman having "wet dreams" like a 13 year old boy. This happened BOTH times I came off (and I do mean "came") off Effexor. LynnCGiff Somedays you’re the pigeon, somedays you’re the statue. Lynn from North Dakota

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First day on 150 milligrams, down from 225 around a week ago.

Got off Effexor (which did nothing for me) awhile back.  My shrink did NOT prepare me for the withdrawal effects.  I had horrendous panic attacks and insomnia.  Frantic calls to the Doc. got me something (?) that calmed me down as I made the transition to Prozac.  (which also doesn’t do much for me.)  I kinda liked the electric feeling thing tho.  It’d hit me as a ZOOM thru my head.  Weird but neat. charlie

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What’s a "Brain Shiver" ?!? entropy Well, they’re hard to describe to someone who hasn’t had the experience. They’re kind of like dizziness, but not quite the same thing.  The best description I’ve heard is that it feels like your brain is loose inside your head, and when you moved your head, it rattles around.  Really, it’s a horrible feeling.

Oh my goodness, is that what it’s called? I got that when I was on both Paxil and Neurotonin, and I was in the emergency room twice for it. No one had a clue what I was talking about. Wish I had heard of this a few months ago. . .  :-p –Christine — "America’s health care system is second only to Japan… Canada, Sweeden, Great Britain, … well all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don’t live in Paraguay!"                 –Homer Simpson

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  What’s a "Brain Shiver" ?!? It’s not a technical term, just something we on asd have shared enough info about, that the phenomenon developed a name.  I doubt shrinks call ‘em "brain shivers"  In fact, most pdocs don’t seem to know anything about ‘em!! Sounds to me like a sudden burst of dizziness, and God knows I’ve had those.

For me, there’s an element of dizziness, but it’s more like a jolt of electricity that starts at the back of my head and zaps down my neck to my fingers and toes.  I hate them – but I like Effexor, so I’ve got to live with them.  The worst ones are the dizzying ones that make me feel as if I’m going to pass out.  I had one of those at the mall, and I had to hide it from my kids. Bluebird

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  What’s a "Brain Shiver" ?!? Oh my goodness, is that what it’s called? I got that when I was on both Paxil and Neurotonin, and I was in the emergency room twice for it. No one had a clue what I was talking about. Wish I had heard of this a few months ago. . .  :-p –Christine

It’s not a technical term, just something we on asd have shared enough info about, that the phenomenon developed a name.  I doubt shrinks call ‘em "brain shivers"  In fact, most pdocs don’t seem to know anything about ‘em!! — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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When I went thru EFXR withdrawal, I had "brain shivers" too. It was like if I turned my head suddenly it would take my brain a second to catch up. Then my brain would kind of bounce around in my skull for a few seconds. Not painful but really annoying and disorienting. Not unlike that "elevator thing" but confined to my head. Lynn

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Oooh, yes, I get that when I miss my zoloft for even a day. I went to visit a friend a few weeks ago and i brought the wrong medicine bottle (I keep aspririn in the used ones), so I missed it for 3 days and on the walk home, my legs kept jerking with the brain shocks, made it very hard to walk. e

: When I went thru EFXR withdrawal, I had "brain shivers" too. : It was like if I turned my head suddenly it would take my brain a second to : catch up. Then my brain would kind of bounce around in my skull for a few : seconds. Not painful but really annoying and disorienting. Not unlike that : "elevator thing" but confined to my head. : Lynn — 101011110100010101010000101110100101010101010010100010011111101010100100001 0100         This .signature sold by weight, not by volume.       Some settling of contents may occur during shipping.

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Yuck. I missed just *2 days of 75mgs a day*, and I thought I was going to die from the withdrawl symptoms. It wouldn’t have been as bad if I hadn’t have had to go to class that day. First day on 150 milligrams, down from 225 around a week ago. I don’t know, RGB…just be careful cuz I personally had a horrible time withdrawing from Effexor when I got down to the very minute doses.  I don’t know if you are going off it completely or not but just a kind of FYI that the wierd, electrical fuzzy feeling didn’t start until I was to a 1/4 a tablet a day. Nik

–Christine — "America’s health care system is second only to Japan… Canada, Sweeden, Great Britain, … well all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don’t live in Paraguay!"                 –Homer Simpson

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 I kinda liked the electric feeling thing tho.  It’d hit me as a ZOOM thru my head.  Weird but neat. charlie I HATED this feeling!  I get nauseous just thinking about it. It’s me glad to finally be off the stuff!

hi .. first of all im battling this withdrawal thing too..i’ve gone to the end of a prescription and not refill and miss a day and it’s as if my systems shut down after that…… this BRAIN SHIVER that many refer to is a buzzing numbing sensation in the back and top of my skull….. i have definitely related the fact that excessive eye movement or quick attempts to focus cause it to FIRE… i can only imagine how REM sleep affects you… you can only regulate your eye movement so much though.. it is indeed a sickening feeling.. i am down to 50mg per day once a day… i only take the medicine the first BRAIN SHIVER of the day.. so as to hold off as long as possible til next dosage.. i am gonna wait til i can half my way to nothing.. im sick of this drug it makes me feel like a computer with corrupt RAM.. anyway.. i have also been supplimenting my diet with GINSENG, GOTU KOLA (for memory), and ST. JOHN’S WORT.. as long as im trying to get off the drug that supposedly makes me feel better, i might as well take something natural to increase those reuptake zones.  i haven’t noticed any true physical withdrawal .. only the brain feeling and the fact that that causes you to feel like shit everywhere else.. so everything is mental haywire.  the only other time in life when i’ve felt this brain shiver thing was when i was EXTREMEMLY pissed off and irate… the kind of mad you only get every blue moon.. and that buzzing sensation occurs… i remember it.  good luck everyone with your struggle. eliot

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What’s a "Brain Shiver" ?!?

A sensation that seems to localized in your brain and can feel like a anything from a shiver to a lightning storm. It can hurt. Similar sensations can occur in other parts of the nervous system. I think the physicians and scientists are baffled. or they think we’re nuts. — bev ~~~ veb ~~~~~~ vaj ~~~ http://members.tripod.com/~Veb

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What’s a "Brain Shiver" ?!? entropy

You know that feeling when you shiver that it starts in one place and goes up (or down) the rest of your body?  Well it’s kind of like that but through your head.  At least that was my experience. I completely was unprepared for the withdrawal effects of Effexor and told my doc that he should be sure to let people know what to expect before taking them off.  I would never go thru that again!! "I want to believe"……The X-Files ICQ # 7859124

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What’s a "Brain Shiver" ?!? entropy

Well, they’re hard to describe to someone who hasn’t had the experience.   They’re kind of like dizziness, but not quite the same thing.  The best description I’ve heard is that it feels like your brain is loose inside your head, and when you moved your head, it rattles around.  Really, it’s a horrible feeling.   — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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What’s a "Brain Shiver" ?!? entropy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, it gets better, RGB. Just wait for the bedspins, brain shivers, and nausea. — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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Yes, it’s an SNRI.

Norepinephrine then, I had trouble with too much of that maybe. I dropped from 375 mg to 300 mg a couple of weeks ago.  I thought the electric stuff was gone, but it keeps coming back – right down my arms and legs.  I hate the feeling.  Is this common?

No, just extremely disturbing. Effexor is actually one of the drugs with low incidence of side effects – few people getting them. I only personally know three people who’ve taken it. The other two had no problem at all, stuff worked fine, one even quit cold-turkey. I went through hell. The good news is…I’m much more orgasmic.  The bad news is…there’s nobody but me to provide the orgasms.  <sigh

Oh well. — bev ~~~ veb ~~~~~~ vaj ~~~ http://members.tripod.com/~Veb

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Hi. I have not posted here before, as I only recently became aware of this ng. It certainly loads faster than the Fairlite BB. I am just wondering if anyone else here is recovering from a substance abuse problem. I am, and the thing is, I feel inhibited sharing about my OCD at AA meetings because I might stigmatize myself as "crazy". At meetings, we are supposed to share our problems in order to recover, but my most pressing ones I feel I cannot share. I have been in an OCD support group, but it is on hold because of poor attendance. I have an individual counselor, and am on Zoloft, but this subject is a very troublesome one for me. Any answers?                         Chuck E. —

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On 5 May 1997, ChuckE wrote:

Hi. I have not posted here before, as I only recently became aware of this ng. It certainly loads faster than the Fairlite BB. I am just wondering if anyone else here is recovering from a substance abuse problem. I am, and the thing is, I feel inhibited sharing about my OCD at AA meetings because I might stigmatize myself as "crazy". At meetings, we are supposed to share our problems in order to recover, but my most pressing ones I feel I cannot share. I have been in an OCD support group, but it is on hold because of poor attendance. I have an individual counselor, and am on Zoloft, but this subject is a very troublesome one for me. Any answers?

    Hi, Chuck!  I’m Dennis, and I’m new here too.  I’m not a substance abuser, but I’ve been active in AlAnon, for people involved with substance abusers, so I’m familiar with 12-Step programs.  I don’t currently have active OCD, but I did when I was a teenager.  My recovery from that is a long story, that I will share here as I go.  I’m still interested in OCD because I still have a lot of the personality characteristics.  I’ve never been to an in-person OCD support meeting.     I’ve shared about OCD at some AlAnon meetings.  No one thought I was crazy, but no one identified very strongly either.  However, control and letting go of the need to control are central AlAnon topics and receive plenty of discussion at AlAnon meetings.  I use Alanon ideas to help. Meditation is a good exercise in letting go for me.     I discussed my OCD with one AA and he told me it sounded like some AA problems (the desire for magic, the desire for ultimate power, etc.)  He suggested I try going to some open AA meetings, and I plan to do that. However, OCD is obviously different from addiction in other ways.  There’s no substance involved, and usually no denial either.     I now suffer from chronic daily headaches.  My headache doc says it could be related to my former OCD, since migraine, depression, and OCD are all serotonin problems.  I’ve tried every SSRI that I know of (Luvox, Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Paxil) except Serzone.  I’ve also tried Anafranil and Desyrel.  Of all those, Prozac, Desyrel, and Paxil have helped the most.  Right now I’m using Paxil, along with verapamil and Sansert.  That’s helping a lot with the headaches.     Because of my tendency to obsessively focus on things, I was preoccupied with my headaches for the last several years.  However, I finally realized that focusing on pain was a sure way to stay miserable. AlAnon ideas helped me to realize that.  Now I use AlAnon, and I’ve found personal interests I like to focus on, too.     I hope that helps some. More later, Dennis — For more information about this service, send e-mail to: h…@anon.twwells.com   — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com  – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator

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This is for ChuckE, who noted that the Fairlite OCD site takes a long time to load.  Actually, it loads pretty quickly if you turn off your graphics and get text-only.  There’s nothing much to see on that site, but there’s some invaluable information. KimJ

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(Y/N) The following sentences describe anxiety or panic of different severity. For each sentence, indicate how often you experience such anxiety or panic. 0 = never 1 = several times over several years 2 = several times a year 4 = several times a month 6 = several times a week 8 = several times a day 10 = constantly every day I am nervous, but I can still function. I am very nervous, but I think I can get through the next hour. I am scared, and would like to go home immediately. I am very frightened, and don’t feel comfortable anywhere. I am terrified and feel like I’m about to pass out. I am terrified and feel that I am about to die. I am horrified beyond death-like terror. I am actually "paralyzed" with unimaginable horror. During our anxiety or panic disorder, we may experience a variety of symptoms. These symptoms may occur either during or between attacks. Please rate the severity of which you have experienced each of the following symptoms on a scale of zero to ten. 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3 weeks ago Currently, do you feel that your life is being more controlled or less controlled by anxiety or panic attacks? (less/same/more)

less Do you think there is a history of anxiety-panic disorder in your family? (Y/N)

Y The following sentences describe anxiety or panic of different severity. For each sentence, indicate how often you experience such anxiety or panic. 0 = never 1 = several times over several years 2 = several times a year 4 = several times a month 6 = several times a week 8 = several times a day 10 = constantly every day I am nervous, but I can still function.

2 I am very nervous, but I think I can get through the next hour.

4 I am scared, and would like to go home immediately.

2 I am very frightened, and don’t feel comfortable anywhere.

2 I am terrified and feel like I’m about to pass out.

2 I am terrified and feel that I am about to die.

2 I am horrified beyond death-like terror.

2 I am actually "paralyzed" with unimaginable horror.

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(Blank or 0 = not at all, …, 10 = extremely severe) Fears and Phobias: 0 Agoraphobia (a fear of anxiety or panic attacks that often results in a growing avoidance of things or situations) 2 Fear of Being Alone 9 Fear of Being With People 4 Fear of Closed Spaces (Claustrophobia) 4 Fear of Confrontation 0 Fear of Dark Rooms 0 Fear of Diseases (Hypochondria) 4 Fear of Dying 5 Fear of Fear 5 Fear of Food Poisoning or Contamination 4 Fear of God 4 Fear of Going Insane 6 Fear of Heights (Acrophobia) 2 Fear of Help Not Being Available 8 Fear of Humiliation 2 Fear of Living 5 Fear of Open Spaces 0 Fear of Persecution 0 Fear of Public Places 0 Fear of Public Speaking 5 Fear of Responsibility (Performance Anxiety) 5 Fear of Social Diseases (VD, AIDS, etc.) 0 Fear of Social Situations 0 Fear of Snakes 0 Fear of Specific People 0 Fear of Spiders (Arachniphobia) 4 Fear of Standing in Lines 0 Fear of Traveling 5 Psychological Sensations: Anger 0 Anxiety (In Certain Situations) 5 Anxiety (Generalized, Anytime) 4 Anxiety (School, Work, Career) 5 Anxiety (Family) 5 Anxiety (Friends) 0 Anxiety (Romance) 0 Compulsive or Overly Repetitive Behavior 0 Concentration Difficulty 8 Chronic Nightmares 0 Chronic Worrying 4 Crying 3 Depression 0 Derealisation (Feeling of Unreality) 4 Depersonalisation 2 Dissociation 2 Eating Disorder (Bulimia, Anorexia) 8 Eating Disorder (Compulsive, Binge) 0 Escape into Fantasy 10 Feelings of Guilt 5 Feelings of Persecution (present tense) 0 Hopelessness 4 Housebound 0 Low Self-Esteem 7 Memory Problems (Short Term) 9 Memory Problems (Long Term) 9 Mood Swings 7 Obsessive Thinking 9 Panic Attacks (In Certain Situations) 4 Panic Attacks (Random, Anytime) 8 Recurring Memories of Traumatic Event 0 Self Abuse (Bruising, Cutting, etc.) 0 Suicidal Thoughts 0 Physical Sensations: Headaches 10 Craving for Alcohol 0 Insomnia (Trouble Getting to Sleep) 10 Sleepiness (During Awake Hours) 0 Dizziness or Vertigo 5 Light-headedness 4 Fainting (Actually Passing Out) 5 Temporary Paralysis 0 Easily Startled (Jumpy) 5 Allergies 0 Dry Eyes 0 Watery Eyes 0 Overly Sensitive to Sunlight 0 Visual Disturbances 4 Burning or Pressure Around Eye or Nose Area 5 Overly Sensitive to Odors 0 Sinus Congestion 4 Overly Sensitive to Noise 6 Ringing in Ears 10 Dry Mouth 2 Dehydration (Often Thirsty) 0 Breathing Difficulties (Hyperventilating, etc.) 10 Feeling of Abnormal Heartbeat 8 Chest Pains 10 Appetite Loss 10 Appetite Gain 0 Weight Loss 10 Weight Gain 0 Nausea 7 Intestinal Pains (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) 10 Diarrhea 10 Joint Pain 2 Muscular Pain 2 Muscular Tension 9 Muscular Tics, Twitches, or Spasms 0 Weakness in Arms or Legs 5 Overly Sensitive to The Way Things Feel (Tactile) 0 Uncontrollable Shaking or Trembling 5 Unsteadiness 8 Cold, Clammy Skin 9 Cold Extremities (Hands or Feet) 10 Cold Chills 10 Sweating 10 Hot Flashes 5 Numbness in Arms or Legs 10 "Pins and Needles" Sensation 10 Itching 0 Excema and Rashes 0 Fatigue (Tired, Low Energy) 9 Hyperness (Too Much Energy) 10 Erratic Blood Sugar (Hypoglycemia) 6 Reduced Resistance to Colds or Viruses 9 If you have experience with symptoms not listed here (fears, psychological or physical sensations), please list them below along with a severity from zero to ten. Please rate your experience of each of the following treatments on a scale of -10, …, 0, …, +10. (-10 = very negative reaction to treatment, …, blank or 0 = have not tried or not at all helpful, …, 10 = extremely helpful) Medications and Supplements: +10 Acetaminophen (Tylenol) -10 Atenolol 0 Ativan +8 Buspar -10 Buspirone 0 Clonazepam (Rivotril, Klonopin) +10 Colofac (Mebervine) 0 Desipramine -10 DHEA 0 Effexor (venlafaxine) 0 Fluanxol (Flupenthixol) 0 GABA 0 Gammanil (Lofepramine) 0 GLS 0 Gravol +7 Halcion -10 Haloperidol 0 Herbal Suppliments -5 Ibuprofen (Advil) -10 Imipramine -10 Inderal (Propranalol) -10 Kava Kava 0 L-Tryptophan (Tryptan) -5 Lecithin 0 Lectopam -5 Librium -10 Lorazepam +8 Ludiomil 0 Lustral (Setraline hydrochloride) 0 Luvox (fluvoxamine) -10 Magnesium Oxide 0 Melatonin 0 Modulon 0 Motilium 0 Nardil -10 Nortriptyline (Aventyl) -10 Pantothenic Acid 0 Parlodal (Bromocriptine) 0 Parnate 0 Paxil (Paroxetine, Seroxat) -10 Prothiaden (Dothiepin hydrochloride) 0 Prozac (fluoxetine) -10 Serax -10 Serzone (Nefazodone) 0 Thyroid Hormone 0 Valerian 0 Valium +6 Vitamin B Complex +1 Vitamin B12 +5 Vitamin C +1 Wellbutrin 0 Xanax (Alprazolam) +1 Zantac +1 Zoloft (sertraline) 0 Psychological Therapies: Behavioral Therapy +10 Biofeedback 0 Cognitive Therapy +10 Cognitive Behavioral Therapy +10 Counseling or Social Work -2 Group Therapy +10 Hypnotic Psychotherapy 0 Hypnotic Suggestion 0 Positive Thoughts +8 Psychotherapy (Gestalt or Psychoanalysis) 0 Support Group +10 Other: Acupuncture 0 Adjusting Lifestyle (School, Work, Career) +5 Adjusting Lifestyle (Family) +5 Adjusting Lifestyle (Friends) +5 Adjusting Lifestyle (Romance) +8 Breathing Exercises +5 Chiropractic 0 Confronting Fears +8 Discovering or Expressing True Self +10 Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) 0 Faith, Religion, or Spiritual Pursuits 0 Gardening 0 Physical Exercise 0 Planned or Controlled Diet +5 Playing with Children or

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