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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions. It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions. I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses. Many times, the inflamations turned into infections. These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being. When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes. Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado. It was known as the Hayman Fire. The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area. I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse. I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes. I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver
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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.
It seems
like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with
other
chronic conditions. I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation
of my
bronchial tubes and my sinuses. Many times, the inflamations turned
into
infections. These inflamations/infections have had a great affect
of my
performance as a human being. When I can’t properly preform, my
anxieties peak
and my TS waxes. Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest
fire in
Colorado. It was known as the Hayman Fire. The fire was south of
Denver. The
prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area. I
suffered from
some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse. I
have a
cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone
inhalor that
helps with the bronchial tubes. I have to fix the problem before it
turns into
an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver
I agree with you Fred, each condition can affect/influence the other. Is there any chance all that cortisone is increasing your anxiety? Steroids can definitely do that. Maybe Sandy L. has some suggestions? Jo
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Hey Fred,,,,,what you claim is VERY true……..on Dec 18th I git hit by another truck……..his died mine survived 
and way I rented another 4×4 truck and te previous renter chained smoked…………NO one told me so the bottom line is this rental made my asthma kick up, they had to change me to Advaire and stop my Flovent and Serevent. My TS and SIB went off the richter scale! I had to start using my Albuteral Nebulizer which kicked up my ADHD……………………so now I can not take 2 steps without chouging hard and choking and then having a Tussive Syncope(mini seisure)………….. It is now to the point water scares me cuz I choke! "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com
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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions. It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions. I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses. Many times, the inflamations turned into infections. These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being. When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes. Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado. It was known as the Hayman Fire. The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area. I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse. I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes. I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver
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Thanks but I may not survive these syncopes 
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> news:PbkCd.53333$XH3.733@fe06.lga… > his died mine survived > Glad your truck survived. :)
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With ALL the BS with my health since Dec 20th……..things are strating to level off 1) I won my fight for a new CPAP( my 4th since 1992) after 2 failed sleep studies, my good CPAP died of old age and is NOT repairable …so they got medicare to buy a new good model that may last a while this time 2) my SIB has been so powerful since Dec 20th that my left arm is in such trama it is all knotted up. 3) Enterprise who I rented a 4×4 truck from , took one wiff indside the truck and belived me an wrote off the dailiy overage I owed. PLUS they gave me a free one time rental ! 4) I am breathing on my own today for the very first time since Dec 20th! WHAT a CONCEPT!!:) "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com
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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions. It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions. I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses. Many times, the inflamations turned into infections. These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being. When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes. Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado. It was known as the Hayman Fire. The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area. I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse. I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes. I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver
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I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on AST. Does anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred
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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com wrote in message news:20050103122352.06555.00001642@mb-m22.aol.com… Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions. It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions. I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses. Many times, the inflamations turned into infections. These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being. When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes. Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado. It was known as the Hayman Fire. The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area. I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse. I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes. I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver I agree with you Fred, each condition can affect/influence the other. Is there any chance all that cortisone is increasing your anxiety? Steroids can definitely do that. Maybe Sandy L. has some suggestions? Jo
I can’t say that this in causing an increase in anxiety. The anxiety is created and increased by my inability to preform in a normal way. At its worst, I demolished an auto in 1970. I lost consciousness and rolled a car. 15 years later, I had an episode where I could no longer drive because I was seeing double. I can now prevent these episodes with a steroid spray and a vasoconstrictor spray. It is scary stuff when the drowsy sensation happens. Fred
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I think I saw it weeks ago? "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com
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I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on
AST. Does
anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred
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‘Twas 15 Jan 2005 19:53:25 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as fen…@aol.com (Fenisz) uttered:
I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on AST. Does anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred
Everything showed up normally here. Were you using any news server other than AOL? AOL is usually reliable, and the software doesn’t have weird features for you to accidentally turn on and get this effect.. — RB |
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you know) particularly with sinus pressure. I AM going to talk to Health Services here and if they don’t have any bright ideas call my doctor at home again. Anyone know of anything I might try? — Emily
You might discuss taking a prednisone burst. It is not a fun medication to take (I refer to it as "The side effect of the week medication.") but it should help you get through the cold. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein
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Hi. You shoudl be on more flovent. I was put on flovent 220 four puffs a day (the higher dose) when I was still having problems. your dose should definitely be increased!!! Ask for some flonase for your nose (isn’t habit forming, it is just like the steroid inhaler for your lungs). I have some similar problems to you, and using the albuterol too much, and using slo-bid (theophylline) were the WORST things I could do for any sort of anxiety attacks. Decongestant is FINE unless the doctor told you not to take it due to your other medications. Summary: get some extra meds to get you through your cold, and get the health people to give you the flovent 220! In the meantime, a pred. burst may be necessary. -jenny ideas as to what might help, that would NOT tend to make one nervous, i could really use them…the pseudoephedrine HELPS, but I still as I said had to use my inhaler in class a few hours after taking it this morning, and waking up in the morning or middle of the night gasping is not fun (as I’m sure many of you know) particularly with sinus pressure. I AM going to talk to Health Services here and if they don’t have any bright ideas call my doctor at home again. Anyone know of anything I might try? — Emily
Jennifer Gerbi http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~gerbi Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 1-113 ESB (217)244-0332
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Talk to your doctor about all this. Your doctor and you must decide how bad your anxiety disorder is and the risks of adding drugs that exasperate this condition. However, it is common to do a short dose of oral prednisone when asthmatics get ill. Talk to your doctor about this possibility to get you through until your cold gets better. Upping your Flovent may help some but I’d probably go for the prednisone in this instance. Again, talk to your doctor and see what he/she suggests to get you through it. Pseudoephedrine (I’m guessing OTC) is a broad spectrum agonist against your adrenergic receptors so this is probably why you’re feeling more anxious while taking it. Albuterol is specific for the beta-2 receptor so it mainly acts on the smooth muscles in your lung dilating them, although some gets in your system and can certainly make you more anxious also. If it was me, I’d go for a short prednisone burst, but talk to your doc and see what they think.
Nah, I was told pred is for RED zone….I’m only in the upper end of yellow. And form what people here have been saying, that stuff gets people’s emotions terribly messed up all by itself. sounds like the last thing I want to be taking —
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It sounds like a lot of your symptoms are related to post nasal drip. The nasal steroids are one good solution, but they will take a few days to do have an effect. The sedating antihistamines like Benedryl can dry the nose though their side effects, not necessarily from the histamine action. Avoid this if you are having a lot of chest congestion. Using saline nasal sprays every hour or two can help, as well as drinking hot liquids. If the Sudafed is helping your nose and not giving you anxiety problems then go with it. You will know if it gets you too hyped up. You and your doctor may just have to agree on a plan that includes stimulants when your asthma warrants and combat the effects with other sedatives. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey…got a little problem here. I have a cold which is exacerbating my asthma badly. I’ve had to use albuterol for it several times (including this morning in class. Trying to take notes on complex math with your hands shaking is bad) in the last week. Now, I’m using that when I feel I need to, and I talked to my doctor once already (first time I was in yellow zone since having the chart set up) and am on Flovent 44 3×3 instead of my normal 2×2. I WAS taking a nasal spray decongestant, which worked pretty well except for wearing off before 12 hours was up, BUT you can only use that for 4 days and my 4 days are up. I AM taking pseudoephedrine now, but I’m really not supposed to; I have some sort of anxiety disorder (that I’ve very recently been put on meds for) and so I’m not supposed to take things that could make it worse. Now, admittedly my instincts say that the psuedoephedrine makes me less nervous than constantly using albuterol….but if anyone has any other ideas as to what might help, that would NOT tend to make one nervous, i could really use them…the pseudoephedrine HELPS, but I still as I said had to use my inhaler in class a few hours after taking it this morning, and waking up in the morning or middle of the night gasping is not fun (as I’m sure many of you know) particularly with sinus pressure. I AM going to talk to Health Services here and if they don’t have any bright ideas call my doctor at home again. Anyone know of anything I might try? — Emily
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Talk to your doctor about all this. Your doctor and you must decide how bad your anxiety disorder is and the risks of adding drugs that exasperate this condition. However, it is common to do a short dose of oral prednisone when asthmatics get ill. Talk to your doctor about this possibility to get you through until your cold gets better. Upping your Flovent may help some but I’d probably go for the prednisone in this instance. Again, talk to your doctor and see what he/she suggests to get you through it. Pseudoephedrine (I’m guessing OTC) is a broad spectrum agonist against your adrenergic receptors so this is probably why you’re feeling more anxious while taking it. Albuterol is specific for the beta-2 receptor so it mainly acts on the smooth muscles in your lung dilating them, although some gets in your system and can certainly make you more anxious also. If it was me, I’d go for a short prednisone burst, but talk to your doc and see what they think. — James P Picotte Michigan State University College of Human Medicine
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey…got a little problem here. I have a cold which is exacerbating my asthma badly. I’ve had to use albuterol for it several times (including this morning in class. Trying to take notes on complex math with your hands shaking is bad) in the last week. Now, I’m using that when I feel I need to, and I talked to my doctor once already (first time I was in yellow zone since having the chart set up) and am on Flovent 44 3×3 instead of my normal 2×2. I WAS taking a nasal spray decongestant, which worked pretty well except for wearing off before 12 hours was up, BUT you can only use that for 4 days and my 4 days are up. I AM taking pseudoephedrine now, but I’m really not supposed to; I have some sort of anxiety disorder (that I’ve very recently been put on meds for) and so I’m not supposed to take things that could make it worse. Now, admittedly my instincts say that the psuedoephedrine makes me less nervous than constantly using albuterol….but if anyone has any other ideas as to what might help, that would NOT tend to make one nervous, i could really use them…the pseudoephedrine HELPS, but I still as I said had to use my inhaler in class a few hours after taking it this morning, and waking up in the morning or middle of the night gasping is not fun (as I’m sure many of you know) particularly with sinus pressure. I AM going to talk to Health Services here and if they don’t have any bright ideas call my doctor at home again. Anyone know of anything I might try? — Emily
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Hey…got a little problem here. I have a cold which is exacerbating my asthma badly. I’ve had to use albuterol for it several times (including this morning in class. Trying to take notes on complex math with your hands shaking is bad) in the last week. Now, I’m using that when I feel I need to, and I talked to my doctor once already (first time I was in yellow zone since having the chart set up) and am on Flovent 44 3×3 instead of my normal 2×2. I WAS taking a nasal spray decongestant, which worked pretty well except for wearing off before 12 hours was up, BUT you can only use that for 4 days and my 4 days are up. I AM taking pseudoephedrine now, but I’m really not supposed to; I have some sort of anxiety disorder (that I’ve very recently been put on meds for) and so I’m not supposed to take things that could make it worse. Now, admittedly my instincts say that the psuedoephedrine makes me less nervous than constantly using albuterol….but if anyone has any other ideas as to what might help, that would NOT tend to make one nervous, i could really use them…the pseudoephedrine HELPS, but I still as I said had to use my inhaler in class a few hours after taking it this morning, and waking up in the morning or middle of the night gasping is not fun (as I’m sure many of you know) particularly with sinus pressure. I AM going to talk to Health Services here and if they don’t have any bright ideas call my doctor at home again. Anyone know of anything I might try? — Emily
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey…got a little problem here. I have a cold which is exacerbating my asthma badly. I’ve had to use albuterol for it several times (including this morning in class. Trying to take notes on complex math with your hands shaking is bad) in the last week. Now, I’m using that when I feel I need to, and I talked to my doctor once already (first time I was in yellow zone since having the chart set up) and am on Flovent 44 3×3 instead of my normal 2×2. I WAS taking a nasal spray decongestant, which worked pretty well except for wearing off before 12 hours was up, BUT you can only use that for 4 days and my 4 days are up. I AM taking pseudoephedrine now, but I’m really not supposed to; I have some sort of anxiety disorder (that I’ve very recently been put on meds for) and so I’m not supposed to take things that could make it worse. Now, admittedly my instincts say that the psuedoephedrine makes me less nervous than constantly using albuterol….but if anyone has any other ideas as to what might help, that would NOT tend to make one nervous, i could really use them…the pseudoephedrine HELPS, but I still as I said had to use my inhaler in class a few hours after taking it this morning, and waking up in the morning or middle of the night gasping is not fun (as I’m sure many of you know) particularly with sinus pressure. I AM going to talk to Health Services here and if they don’t have any bright ideas call my doctor at home again. Anyone know of anything I might try? — Emily
Regarding nasal sprays, the steroid ones are very effective and can be used long term; Flonase, Rhinocort, Vancenase A nonsteroidal OTC one that can be tried is Nasalcrom (cromolyn) It’s moderately effective and can be used long term; needs to be used 3-4x/day for a couple of weeks to become effective. Regarding Flovent 44, this is the weakest of the formulations. In your case may be more practical to go to the middle formulation, Flovent 110. A twice a day regimen should be sufficient. One or two puffs. The higher steroid dose should control the asthma better. You really should stay away from decongestants if taking antianxiety drugs. Also minimize albuterol useage, no more than once/day. Ellis
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"Ben Johnson" <web…@hotmail.com
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So lighten up a bit – it’s supposed to be a happy time of year!
Hello Ben, If you were following what Doug with the moral support of Meryl has been doing to me you would not feel so light hearted and bright. This is by no means a happy time of the year when rows break out in homes all over the world due to pent up unresolved conflicts that were happening during the year and possibly dating back long before that. Threads develop in their own way and I don’t think anyone can claim ownership of a thread. In my case my brother who is 46 has a 2 year old daughter and has a highly paid job working for a multi national here in Dublin is already causing me headaches a full two weeks ahead of Christmas day itself. I’m stuck here living with my uncompromisingly cruel parents. My brorther telephoned the house last Friday morning inviting my parents and me to his house for Christmas dinner. The so and so didn’t ask me, a 50 year old adult male, whether I wanted to go to his house for Chritmas dinner. The fact is I was looking foward to eating some Christmas fare alone here where I live but now my parents will not cook as they have always done for themselves on Christmas day. I eat what remains of the cooked food. I will spend some part of Christmas day totally alone while my brother, his wife, his adorable little daughter, and my parents enjoy each other’s company. I am not welcome in his house during the the rest of the year and I’m not welcome in his house on Christmas day either. As far as discussing drugs and their effects in a newsgroup like this I must point out, as I took pains to point out before, that the clinical trials where drugs are tested for their effect and safety are carried out, as demanded by the regulatory authorities in the different countries, by highly trained doctors who have at least one university degree including years of training in this specialised discipline. Not only are these people highly trained professionals they probably also have a natural flair for the making the kind of observations that they will need to make during the trials. It is pure folly and very dangerous to post questions to a newsgroup like this asking for advice about drugs. No one, absolutely no one in this group or any similar group who does not at the very least have a medical degree is entitled to give advice about these dangerous poisons collectively known today as drugs. If you want advice about a drug then the only logical thing to do is to ask one or a few experienced psychiatrists who dispense drugs and who have feedback from their patients and if they are good doctors the results of the clinical trials as well on any given drug. Even then one cannot be completely at ease given that many doctors worry including one campaigner called Dr. David Healy who is now based in Wales and who was interviewed just the other day on one of BBC1’s main news bulletins about the so called SSRI’s and the dangers that exist surrounding their use. Anyone who swallows the hype that SSRI’s really do affect the levels of serotonin in the brain and that this is the mechanism that induces therapeutic benefits is an idiot. I saw an experienced psychiatrist recently who is learning more about me and who prescribed Seroxat/Paxil(paroxetine) has my trust but even then I will not take the drug knowing as I do that the what will cure me of this crippling disorder will be a scheme that I will figure out based on what I understand about how I am affected. I advise you to contact Doug to ask him to send you the nasty things he has written about me and how Meryl came to Doug’s aid when it suddenly became clear to her that Doug had been exposed for the nasty so and so he really is. I would like to compliment you for the nice tone you conveyed in your message to me. This is why I have taken time out to write to you. I still maintain that Doug has created an atmosphere of fear in the group and if you care to perform a perfunctory check on the posting rate over the last while you will see that the group appears to be disintegrating maintaining as I do that people are just too frightened to post in this climate of fear and hostility. Don’t forget to do what I asked you to do which is to ask Doug to send you all the evil dribble he has written about me. He appears to be a foremost expert compiling files on people and based on his past shameful performance here in what is supposed to be a support group, a sanctuary in cyberspace for us, a place where people used to be able to post to get support, he will have no difficuly at all providing you with volumes of material for you to read so that you can put things into their proper and correct context. If you can find a thread I wrote called "Mirror Neurons and Social Phobia" that I posted some time ago you will be able to read up about what I understand about Social Phobia. Understanding this affliction is a prerequisite step to finding a cure. The contents of this thoughtful post are what Doug got so worked up about. You can judge for yourself whether Doug or I have the most to offer this little group. No one in this group is going to recover using drugs alone and drugs will never fix the problem. Anyone can describe their experiences using some drug but no matter how well you understand the effect a particulrar drug is having on you you cannot pass on this information to others in the form that it will be helpful to them since everybody is different and everybody’s reaction to some drug will be different depending as it does on wat may be actually happening to you at any given time. If for example one had a scary interaction with a member of the usually dangerous public that interaction may have a dramatic effect for say 24 hours or longer depending on how the drug you are taking affects you. I’m so sad that the group is no longer functioning the way it used to because even though I am immeasurably better off today compared to when I first started posting around the middle of December 2001 I probably got great benefit from posting messages and joining in threads that interested me. I don’t need the group to the extent that I used to and I probaly don’t need the group at all now. This is a measure of the benefits of thinking through something even if I’m convinced that the the therapy that will facilitate a cure will not be a drug and neither will it be CBT. If the happy day comes when I am free of Social Phobia I will return to the group to tell you what strategies I have been working on. Until that time my hands are tied for obvious reasons. I repeat this is not a happy time of the year for adults and as far as I know the suicide rate increases shortly after Christmas and for a period after the New Year. It’s a hppy time indeed for some kids but that’s about it. Many people like to deceive themselves but I prefer to live under the potentially cold light of reality. At least I can see what is really going on and this gives me some peace of mind. People deceive themselves about a myriad of things with devastating consequences for all of us in the long term whem the effort to maintain the deception becomes overpowering and when we finally buckle under the strain of living with all the lies people tell themselves and others for the sake of an living in what appears to be on the surface a more beautiful world. We have nothing to fear about the truth. Besides with TV and the global satellite communcations suystem we are all able to come closer to each other more safely as we see at long last that the rantings of philosophers and religious is all about control by domininating the general population using fear forcing us to live by insane rules, like for example the Ten Commandments, that apply in whole to not one single person alive. The future is bright and like I’ve suggested before our biggest concern is the stability of our weather. If we can keep moving foward the way we are doing today the future will be fantastic and that means our future will be great as well. Peter Nolan.
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Have been seeing a psychiatrist for my Social Phobia / Depression since 2000 and have been on antidepressants since that time. Zoloft 200mg/day for 2 years, and since then Efexor XR 150mg/day. I’ve cancelled my last appointments with him as I’m not interested / can’t be bothered to see him anymore – he just seems to be interested in prescribing drugs rather than fixing my problems. Zoloft seemed to work from about the 4th to 8th month point – but stopped working a couple of months after. Since then I’ve felt "flat" ever since and the Efexor hasn’t helped either. I have about 8 weeks of meds left. I’m worried about how to ease myself off these drugs. I know when I go without my Efexor for a couple of days I get quite bad mood-swings and it can be a little scary. Please help with some advice. Thanks, Ben
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I came off Effexor recently, after only 75 mg/day for seven weeks. My doc’s instructions were to take 37.5 mg daily for a week, then 37.5 mg every other day for 2 more weeks, then discontinue. Those three weeks
were
a cakewalk, but were followed by 3-4 weeks of tachycardia, which my doc insists was an extremely atypical discontinuance reaction. Sorry I can’t help with the Zoloft.
Figaro, It is Efexor I’m coming off (had been on Zoloft previous). I have the 150mg slow-release capsules (they’re full of little white balls). So I guess if I want to half the dosage it’s a case of emptying out a capsule down the sink and filling the empty shell with half the contents from another capsule. That effectively gives me 2 x 75mg capsules – right ? Anyone else on these slow-release capsules? Do you find they don’t digest properly? BJ
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Have been seeing a psychiatrist for my Social Phobia / Depression since 2000 and have been on antidepressants since that time. Zoloft 200mg/day for 2 years, and since then Efexor XR 150mg/day. I’ve cancelled my last appointments with him as I’m not interested / can’t be bothered to see him anymore – he just seems to be interested in prescribing drugs rather than fixing my problems. Zoloft seemed to work from about the 4th to 8th month point – but stopped working a couple of months after. Since then I’ve felt "flat" ever since and the Efexor hasn’t helped either. I have about 8 weeks of meds left. I’m worried about how to ease myself off these drugs. I know when I go without my Efexor for a couple of days I get quite bad mood-swings and it can be a little scary. Please help with some advice.
normally you just lower the dose slowly for a few weeks and then just stop. Stopping drugs like that suddenly can cause complications. If you have to break the tablets in two to get a smaller dose. BTW to come of benzo diazeprams it can take up to a month to lower the dosage before you stop. Richard
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Have been seeing a psychiatrist for my Social Phobia / Depression since 2000 and have been on antidepressants since that time. Zoloft 200mg/day for 2 years, and since then Efexor XR 150mg/day. I’ve cancelled my last appointments with him as I’m not interested / can’t be bothered to see him anymore – he just seems to be interested in prescribing drugs rather than fixing my problems. Zoloft seemed to work from about the 4th to 8th month point – but stopped working a couple of months after. Since then I’ve felt "flat" ever since and the Efexor hasn’t helped either. I have about 8 weeks of meds left. I’m worried about how to ease myself off these drugs. I know when I go without my Efexor for a couple of days I get quite bad mood-swings and it can be a little scary. Please help with some advice. Thanks, Ben
Hi Ben, I have recently withdrawn from Effexor XR under medical supervision. It was not easy. I was at 300 mg. My dose was lowered by 75 mg each time. If you are not on XR you may be able to taper at a smaller increment. I had extra Xanax to help with the withdrawal. I had 4 to 5 days between tapers. The first 2 days were the most difficult, symptom-wise. Being able to space the tapers apart further might be easier. My depression returned big time by the time I was at 75 mg per day and then 75 mg alternate days. It was not fun. The reason for my taper was that I was having adverse side effects to Effexor XR at 300mg and it was losing its efficacy. I switched reasonably quickly and I am now taking Lexapro. I find it is working well. I strongly advise you to seek help from your doctor and maybe look at alternative medications. love Meryl
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:49:43 +1100, "Ben Johnson" <web…@hotmail.com
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I came off Effexor recently, after only 75 mg/day for seven weeks. My doc’s instructions were to take 37.5 mg daily for a week, then 37.5 mg every other day for 2 more weeks, then discontinue. Those three weeks were a cakewalk, but were followed by 3-4 weeks of tachycardia, which my doc insists was an extremely atypical discontinuance reaction. Sorry I can’t help with the Zoloft. Figaro, It is Efexor I’m coming off (had been on Zoloft previous). I have the 150mg slow-release capsules (they’re full of little white balls). So I guess if I want to half the dosage it’s a case of emptying out a capsule down the sink and filling the empty shell with half the contents from another capsule. That effectively gives me 2 x 75mg capsules – right ?
This does not sound a good idea. I believe it is very difficult to get an accurate dosage that way. You may be able to get Effexor tablets at 37.5mg. Effexor XR also comes in 75 mg capsules.
Anyone else on these slow-release capsules? Do you find they don’t digest properly?
I had no problem with digesting the capsules but then I can swallow/digest medication with little difficulty. . Effexor worked well for me for many years. Meryl
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wrote: Ben Johnson wrote: Have been seeing a psychiatrist for my Social Phobia / Depression since 2000 and have been on antidepressants since that time. Zoloft 200mg/day for 2 years, and since then Efexor XR 150mg/day. I’ve cancelled my last appointments with him as I’m not interested / can’t be bothered to see him anymore – he just seems to be interested in prescribing drugs rather than fixing my problems. Zoloft seemed to work from about the 4th to 8th month point – but stopped working a couple of months after. Since then I’ve felt "flat" ever since and the Efexor hasn’t helped either. I have about 8 weeks of meds left. I’m worried about how to ease myself off these drugs. I know when I go without my Efexor for a couple of days I get quite bad mood-swings and it can be a little scary. Please help with some advice. normally you just lower the dose slowly for a few weeks and then just stop. Stopping drugs like that suddenly can cause complications. If you have to break the tablets in two to get a smaller dose. BTW to come of benzo diazeprams it can take up to a month to lower the dosage before you stop. Richard
Hi Richard, Ben is talking about XR capsules of a SNRI. It is not possible to break them in two to halve the dose. Meryl
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Have been seeing a psychiatrist for my Social Phobia / Depression since 2000 and have been on antidepressants since that time. Zoloft 200mg/day for 2 years, and since then Efexor XR 150mg/day. I’ve cancelled my last appointments with him as I’m not interested / can’t be bothered to see him anymore – he just seems to be interested in prescribing drugs rather than fixing my problems. Zoloft seemed to work from about the 4th to 8th month point – but stopped working a couple of months after. Since then I’ve felt "flat" ever since and the Efexor hasn’t helped either. I have about 8 weeks of meds left. I’m worried about how to ease myself off these drugs. I know when I go without my Efexor for a couple of days I get quite bad mood-swings and it can be a little scary. Please help with some advice. Thanks, Ben
From RXlist.com Discontinuing Venlafaxine Hydrochloride Immediate Release Tablets: When discontinuing venlafaxine HCl after more than 1 week of therapy, it is generally recommended that the dose be tapered to minimize the risk of discontinuation symptoms. Patients who have received venlafaxine HCl for 6 weeks or more should have their dose tapered gradually over a 2-week period. Extended Release Capsules: When discontinuing venlafaxine HCl (extended release) after more than 1 week of therapy, it is generally recommended that the dose be tapered to minimize the risk of discontinuation symptoms. In clinical trials with venlafaxine HCl (extended release), tapering was achieved by reducing the daily dose by 75 mg at 1 week intervals. Individualization of tapering may be necessary. While the discontinuation effects of venlafaxine HCl (extended release) have not been systematically evaluated in controlled clinical trials, a retrospective survey of new events occurring during taper or following discontinuation revealed the following six events that occurred at an incidence of at least 3% and for which the incidence for venlafaxine HCl (extended release) was at least twice the placebo incidence: dizziness, dry mouth, insomnia, nausea, nervousness, and sweating.
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Meryl <mapr…@ozemail.com.au
writes: On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:49:43 +1100, "Ben Johnson" <web…@hotmail.com wrote: I have the 150mg slow-release capsules (they’re full of little white balls). So I guess if I want to half the dosage it’s a case of emptying out a capsule down the sink and filling the empty shell with half the contents from another capsule. That effectively gives me 2 x 75mg capsules – right ? This does not sound a good idea. I believe it is very difficult to get an accurate dosage that way.
Could be, but I’d think that taking half the contents of a capsule one day and half the next would give a more constant concentration in the body (and thus less chance of withdrawal effects) than taking a whole capsule every 2 days.
You may be able to get Effexor tablets at 37.5mg.
They exist, but taking one 75mg modified release capsule each day would give a more constant concentration than taking two 37.5mg immediate release tablets each day. Some ADs are available as a liquid, to make it easier to tweak dosage, but venlafaxine doesn’t seem to be one of them.
Effexor XR also comes in 75 mg capsules.
And 37.5mg capsules in the US (but not in the UK [sigh]). I halved my 75mg/day for a fortnight by putting half of each 75mg capsule in some empty capsules (which I happened to have lying around!). I expect Ben could do away with the capsules if he could swallow the little balls, and not have them get stuck between his teeth. Wyeth say (in the prescribing info) that if one can’t swallow a capsule, it’s OK to mix the contents with a teaspoonful of applesauce(!) and swallow that. Here’s my experience of stopping venlafaxine, for what it’s worth. I was on 75mg of the modified release stuff for 7 months up until 3 weeks ago when I stopped it cold (on my GPs suggestion… which seemed iffy, but I was so fed up with feeling dopey most of the time that I was beyond caring). Things I’ve noticed: . For the first couple of weeks, when my field of vision changed suddenly, I’d hear squelching noises for a second or 2. . For the first couple of weeks, I’d cry ‘at the drop of a hat’, which was odd cos I usually wasn’t feeling particularly sad. . I was going to say I’ve had slight diarrhoea since I stopped, but it’s probably more accurate to say that the constipation I’ve had for years and years has stopped! . I’ve stopped gaining weight. (I gained 25lbs over the 7 months.) . I’m more energetic, but still dopey. The latter doesn’t surprise me, though, cos I’ve gone from sleeping a total of 8 hours a day (in short bursts) to sleeping an average of 5 hours a day (in 1 burst). This is frustrating. I’ve lost 2 years of university study due to dopiness which I attribute to meds. If I’m still dopey when my next course starts (February), I will *not* be a happy bunny!
Anyone else on these slow-release capsules? Do you find they don’t digest properly?
I never had a problem with digesting the capsules.
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I keep thinking lately "I just don’t know anymore…" i.e. I just don’t know if the drugs are doing anything. I haven’t had many SP symptoms for a couple of years now – but then again, I’m just too tired to be bothered to get out-and-about to put myself into situations where I’d get SP. I don’t think it’s avoidance. If it is avoidance – it’s not a conscious thought-out avoidance like what I used to do. These days it’s more a "can’t be bothered" attitude – which might be depression, might be chronic fatigue, might be because I smoke pot sometimes. BJ "Doug D." <gdd…@aug.com
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:32:15 +1100, "Ben Johnson" <web…@hotmail.com wrote: Have been seeing a psychiatrist for my Social Phobia / Depression since
2000
and have been on antidepressants since that time. Zoloft 200mg/day for
2
years, and since then Efexor XR 150mg/day. I’ve cancelled my last appointments with him as I’m not interested /
can’t
be bothered to see him anymore – he just seems to be interested in prescribing drugs rather than fixing my problems. Zoloft seemed to work from about the 4th to 8th month point – but stopped working a couple of months after. Since then I’ve felt "flat" ever since
and
the Efexor hasn’t helped either. I have about 8 weeks of meds left. I’m worried about how to ease myself off these drugs. I know when I go without my Efexor for a couple of days I get quite bad mood-swings and it can be a little scary. Please help with some advice. Thanks, Ben Hi Ben, I took Effexor for approximately a year and it worked similarly to Paxil, an ssri anti depressant, which is to say it helped to reduced my anxiety, but it couldn’t stop bouts of high anxiety or situational panic attacks. It eventually pooped out and I ended up dropping it for another AD at that time. I would recommend that you wean off this drug slowly, just as you would an ssri anti depressant. This means gradually decreasing your dosage over at least a several week period. This lessens withdrawal and its side effects. Last, but not least, talk to your doctor, if not the shrink, then your GP and get his input re. tapering off Effexor. Whatever you do, don’t just stop taking it altogether because the side effects can be quite uncomfortable. Best wishes. Doug D.
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Thanks Meryl and everyone else. Meryl – I see you are in Oz – and so am I. I agree with what you say about our public health system here – especially in NSW. I like the apple sauce idea. Also much less wasteful than emptying every 2nd capsule down the sink! I think I should try to get the motivation to see the doc and do all this properly. I’ll need a new referral to get back to the psych – it’s all such a hassel and I just feel so constantly drained of energy. I just can’t be bothered with it all. And when I do get back to the psych he’s probably going to hassle me about why I cancelled my last appointments, etc.. etc.. etc.. "Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au
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On 13 Dec 2003 10:32:15 +0000, Bruce Mardle <br…@algol.demon.co.uk wrote: Meryl <mapr…@ozemail.com.au writes: On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:49:43 +1100, "Ben Johnson" <web…@hotmail.com wrote: I have the 150mg slow-release capsules (they’re full of little white
balls).
So I guess if I want to half the dosage it’s a case of emptying out a capsule down the sink and filling the empty shell with half the
contents
from another capsule. That effectively gives me 2 x 75mg capsules –
right ?
This does not sound a good idea. I believe it is very difficult to get an accurate dosage that way. Could be, but I’d think that taking half the contents of a capsule one day and half the next would give a more constant concentration in the body (and thus less chance of withdrawal effects) than taking a whole capsule every 2 days. OK. Given what you have written later. I have heard of capsules being opened and mixed in juice but I have no experience of that. You may be able to get Effexor tablets at 37.5mg. They exist, but taking one 75mg modified release capsule each day would give a more constant concentration than taking two 37.5mg immediate release tablets each day. Some ADs are available as a liquid, to make it easier to tweak dosage, but venlafaxine doesn’t seem to be one of them. Effexor XR also comes in 75 mg capsules. And 37.5mg capsules in the US (but not in the UK [sigh]). I am in Oz. I’m not sure we have 37.5. I did take 75 XR alternate days. It was not fun. I halved my 75mg/day for a fortnight by putting half of each 75mg capsule in some empty capsules (which I happened to have lying around!). I expect Ben could do away with the capsules if he could swallow the little balls, and not have them get stuck between his teeth. Wyeth say (in the prescribing info) that if one can’t swallow a capsule, it’s OK to mix the contents with a teaspoonful of applesauce(!) and swallow that. Sounds like a plan. Here’s my experience of stopping venlafaxine, for what it’s worth. I was on 75mg of the modified release stuff for 7 months up until 3 weeks ago when I stopped it cold (on my GPs suggestion… which seemed iffy, but I was so fed up with feeling dopey most of the time that I was beyond caring). Things I’ve noticed: . For the first couple of weeks, when my field of vision changed suddenly, I’d hear squelching noises for a second or 2. . For the first couple of weeks, I’d cry ‘at the drop of a hat’, which was odd cos I usually wasn’t feeling particularly sad. Was it depression? When that happens with me it is normally an indicator of depression. . I was going to say I’ve had slight diarrhoea since I stopped, but it’s probably more accurate to say that the constipation I’ve had for years and years has stopped! I had lots of gastric problems, still have weeks later but I suspect that Lexapro might be a factor. I deal with the symptoms and I am grateful that my depression is alleviated. . I’ve stopped gaining weight. (I gained 25lbs over the 7 months.) Effexor worked well for me for years. It did not affect my weight just returned my mood to normal. . I’m more energetic, but still dopey. The latter doesn’t surprise me, though, cos I’ve gone from sleeping a total of 8 hours a day (in short bursts) to sleeping an average of 5 hours a day (in 1 burst). This is frustrating. I’ve lost 2 years of university study due to dopiness which I attribute to meds. If I’m still dopey when my next course starts (February), I will *not* be a happy bunny! Effexor can affect sleep. I had insomnia at first but it passed. Anyone else on these slow-release capsules? Do you find they don’t
digest
properly? I never had a problem with digesting the capsules. I guess I responded as I did because I have dreadful memories of going through withdrawal cold turkey from 150 mg to 0. I had been admitted to hospital and was on nil by mouth. Thankfully they relented and allowed me a capsule after 60 hours. I was on IV Diazepam at the time. All the best, Meryl
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:19:24 -0000, "Peter Nolan" <nos…@nospam.com
wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message >news:onultvoa745lc6v2l4rf9cncvk7pa7sstd@4ax.com… >> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:54:13 -0000, "Peter Nolan" <nos…@nospam.com
>> wrote: >> >"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message >> >news:ckdktvgei03hhs43p6kv1cc8107aomskd5@4ax.com… >> >Hello Meryl, >> >I see you are still flying the flag for Doug in our group. >> I speak for myself. >> >You have Panic Disorder by your own admission and do not belong in this >> >group. >> and depression and agoraphobia. I came here to learn about social >> phobia so I could bring more understanding to my relationship. I did >> ask posters if they objected. I don’t recall you objecting until now. >> >You do not suffer from Social Phobia and therefore have no idea what you >are >> >talking about. >> I was talking about tapering from Effexor. I know much about that. I >> was taking it for 5 years. >> >You are not entitled to advise us on anything concerning Social Phobia >> >whether it’s about drugs or any other aspect of our crippling disorder. >> Could you explain why my posting upsets you so much? >> >Do us all a favour by subcribing to a group about Panic Disorder like >> >alt.support.anxiety-panic. >> I do and ASAPM. >> >Leave us alone. It’s bad enough suffering from Social Phobia without an >> >asshole like you with a filthy agenda messing us up passing off as >someone >> >who can help us here in alt.support.social-phobia. >> Would you like to talk about what you see as my agenda? I am >> interested, really. >> >Go somewhere else where you can gloat about others less fortunate than >> >yourself. >> I am sorry if you perceive me as gloating. I am not sure why. >> >I’m sick and tired of you popping up here on a regular basis because that >> >evil cocksucker, Doug, has finally figured out he serves no useful >purpose >> >in assp where he tries to pass himself off as a qualified pharmacist or >even >> >a psychiatrist. >> Believe me, Doug is not a pharmacist, nor a psychiatrist. However he >> does have SP, hence my appearance here to learn more about the >> disorder. >> >In other words, kiss your ass and swallow! >> I don’t think I have mentioned that I have a chronic back problem. I >> think such a contortion is beyond me. >Hello Meryl, >You must think that we are a bunch of soft headed morons. >I don’t believe a single word word you say. Leave our group. You do not >belong here. You made your entrance when you told us what a kind loving man >Doug was. We now know otherwise. That is when you should have left. >Doug has destroyed our group when it became obvious to him that he could no >longer play the role of father figure to the group dominating and infecting >the group by trying to write in a calm measured way when there was a almost >uncontrollable rage seething inside him something we have all seen now in >him at long last. >The group barely functions now because the younger members of the group are >just too frightened to post the way they used to. I had to leave the group >because of Doug’s first attack on me and I was about to leave the group for >the second and last time when John Jay came to the rescue. When I returned >to the group for the second time hoping that I could post without feeling >fear Doug, this evil piece of shit, waited for just the right moment to >attack me for a second time. >Since he can no longer enjoy the feeling that he is the group’s wise old man >seeing himself a someone in his middle 50’s who has survived till now the >ravages of Social Phobia he set about creating so much fear in us, people >who already live in a constant state of fear, that he has single handedly >destroyed our group to the point where we are lucky if thre is even just one >post per day. This group is a sanctuary for the relatively small number of >people in the group who have really nowhere else to go. It was a precious >resource that I valued greatly. Now if things continue the way they are >going Usenet will close the group altogether and the great all knowing one, >Doug, will be to blame for this. >I was 50 last July and as I took pains to explain to the younger members of >the group there is really nothing special about the way I write. The ability >to write is something that develops with age and all of the younger members >of the group will find that this is true when they get older. So they are >easily intimidated by the words of older people who don’t know that they >have nothing to be afraid of even if what Doug writes fills them with a >feeling of dread and foreboding. >I curse Doug for doing what he did to me and what he has done to this group. >If you want to learn about Social Phobia this is not the place to do it and >if you think I will accept that you are hear to learn more about Social >Phobia then you must think I’m the biggest fool you have ever come across. >I see Doug has posted a message below this and if this piece of shit thinks >I will read it then he too thinks I am a complete idiot. >I expect Usenet will close terminate the group soon if things don’t pick up >and trhe younger members of the group find the couage to start posting >again. I have encouraged everyone many times to post and not be afraid but >now thanks to Doug the level of fear is just too high. >Go away. You have nothing whatsoever to offer to this dying group. >Peter Nolan
Hi Peter, I wonder if you hostility towards me has been triggered by the fact that there were several days recently when there were few, if any, posts. It is your right to believe or disbelieve as you see fit. I am a little older than you and I have suffered many years of real life emotional abuse. This may or may not be a factor in the development of my anxiety. For me, I finding it more helpful to let go of the past and try to move on. I also believe that anger is a wasted emotion. YMMV, Meryl
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Peter, I’m a former "regular" of this group but this is my first time back since 1999. One thing we used to talk about back then was that the medical profession liked to use labels as a convenient way to categorize patients – when in fact many of us who had been classed as having X, Y, or Z were all reporting similar symptoms to varying degrees. In otherwords – there’s a lot of cross-over between different conditions and it’s probably likely that each individual has their own mix of symptoms to varying degrees (no 2 of us are identical in our psych make-up and symptoms). I think people like Meryl can offer assistance. In this case she is from the same country as I am, and she has experience with the same drug and it’s side-effects. So regardless whether she’s classed as "Panic Disorder" and I’m classed as "Social Anxeity Disorder" I think it’s still possible we can learn from each other’s experiences with the same drug – particularly if we share some of the common underlying conditions. I’m not up with all the recent history of this group – but ultimately this was my topic-thread and I appreciated everybody’s input – including Meryl’s and Doug’s. If I think somebody’s trying to stear me the wrong way for whatever reason I’m quite capable of handling it. So lighten up a bit – it’s supposed to be a happy time of year! Ben "Peter Nolan" <nos…@nospam.com
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talking about. You are not entitled to advise us on anything concerning Social Phobia whether it’s about drugs or any other aspect of our crippling disorder. Do us all a favour by subcribing to a group about Panic Disorder like alt.support.anxiety-panic. Leave us alone. It’s bad enough suffering from Social Phobia without an asshole like you with a filthy agenda messing us up passing off as someone who can help us here in alt.support.social-phobia. Go somewhere else where you can gloat about others less fortunate than yourself. I’m sick and tired of you popping up here on a regular basis because that evil cocksucker, Doug, has finally figured out he serves no useful purpose in assp where he tries to pass himself off as a qualified pharmacist or
even
a psychiatrist. In other words, kiss your ass and swallow! Peter Nolan.
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Peter, I’m not sure what’s come over you. I haven’t spoken to you in weeks, yet you’re on a rampage. Are you well? You certainly don’t sound like you’re firing on all cylinders. Without implying that you have anything other than social anxiety disorder, you may want to give strong consideration to seeing a qualified psychiatrist/psychologist to determine if you have other issues that you may not be aware of. There’s no question that extreme, unprovoked anger is a major problem with you right now, but perhaps this is a warning sign or symptom of some underlying, unknown illness(s). Again, I don’t know that, nor am I implying that you are plagued by anything other than sp. With one exception. You’ve developed perhaps the worst case of gutter mouth that I’ve seen on Usenet for a long, long while. Wherever did you get the idea that vulgarity constitutes good writing style. Incidentally, if you’re going to keep this tirade up, it would undoubtedly be best if you considered leaving Usenet, at least until you cool off. If any one person is likely to damage the group, it’s certainly you more so than me. Doug D. On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:19:24 -0000, "Peter Nolan" <nos…@nospam.com
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>> wrote: >> >"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message >> >news:ckdktvgei03hhs43p6kv1cc8107aomskd5@4ax.com… >> >Hello Meryl, >> >I see you are still flying the flag for Doug in our group. >> I speak for myself. >> >You have Panic Disorder by your own admission and do not belong in this >> >group. >> and depression and agoraphobia. I came here to learn about social >> phobia so I could bring more understanding to my relationship. I did >> ask posters if they objected. I don’t recall you objecting until now. >> >You do not suffer from Social Phobia and therefore have no idea what you >are >> >talking about. >> I was talking about tapering from Effexor. I know much about that. I >> was taking it for 5 years. >> >You are not entitled to advise us on anything concerning Social Phobia >> >whether it’s about drugs or any other aspect of our crippling disorder. >> Could you explain why my posting upsets you so much? >> >Do us all a favour by subcribing to a group about Panic Disorder like >> >alt.support.anxiety-panic. >> I do and ASAPM. >> >Leave us alone. It’s bad enough suffering from Social Phobia without an >> >asshole like you with a filthy agenda messing us up passing off as >someone >> >who can help us here in alt.support.social-phobia. >> Would you like to talk about what you see as my agenda? I am >> interested, really. >> >Go somewhere else where you can gloat about others less fortunate than >> >yourself. >> I am sorry if you perceive me as gloating. I am not sure why. >> >I’m sick and tired of you popping up here on a regular basis because that >> >evil cocksucker, Doug, has finally figured out he serves no useful >purpose >> >in assp where he tries to pass himself off as a qualified pharmacist or >even >> >a psychiatrist. >> Believe me, Doug is not a pharmacist, nor a psychiatrist. However he >> does have SP, hence my appearance here to learn more about the >> disorder. >> >In other words, kiss your ass and swallow! >> I don’t think I have mentioned that I have a chronic back problem. I >> think such a contortion is beyond me. >Hello Meryl, >You must think that we are a bunch of soft headed morons. >I don’t believe a single word word you say. Leave our group. You do not >belong here. You made your entrance when you told us what a kind loving man >Doug was. We now know otherwise. That is when you should have left. >Doug has destroyed our group when it became obvious to him that he could no >longer play the role of father figure to the group dominating and infecting >the group by trying to write in a calm measured way when there was a almost >uncontrollable rage seething inside him something we have all seen now in >him at long last. >The group barely functions now because the younger members of the group are >just too frightened to post the way they used to. I had to leave the group >because of Doug’s first attack on me and I was about to leave the group for >the second and last time when John Jay came to the rescue. When I returned >to the group for the second time hoping that I could post without feeling >fear Doug, this evil piece of shit, waited for just the right moment to >attack me for a second time. >Since he can no longer enjoy the feeling that he is the group’s wise old man >seeing himself a someone in his middle 50’s who has survived till now the >ravages of Social Phobia he set about creating so much fear in us, people >who already live in a constant state of fear, that he has single handedly >destroyed our group to the point where we are lucky if thre is even just one >post per day. This group is a sanctuary for the relatively small number of >people in the group who have really nowhere else to go. It was a precious >resource that I valued greatly. Now if things continue the way they are >going Usenet will close the group altogether and the great all knowing one, >Doug, will be to blame for this. >I was 50 last July and as I took pains to explain to the younger members of >the group there is really nothing special about the way I write. The ability >to write is something that develops with age and all of the younger members >of the group will find that this is true when they get older. So they are >easily intimidated by the words of older people who don’t know that they >have nothing to be afraid of even if what Doug writes fills them with a >feeling of dread and foreboding. >I curse Doug for doing what he did to me and what he has done to this group. >If you want to learn about Social Phobia this is not the place to do it and >if you think I will accept that you are hear to learn more about Social >Phobia then you must think I’m the biggest fool you have ever come across. >I see Doug has posted a message below this and if this piece of shit thinks >I will read it then he too thinks I am a complete idiot. >I expect Usenet will close terminate the group soon if things don’t pick up >and trhe younger members of the group find the couage to start posting >again. I have encouraged everyone many times to post and not be afraid but >now thanks to Doug the level of fear is just too high. >Go away. You have nothing whatsoever to offer to this dying group. >Peter Nolan
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Have been seeing a psychiatrist for my Social Phobia / Depression since 2000 and have been on antidepressants since that time. Zoloft 200mg/day for 2 years, and since then Efexor XR 150mg/day. I’ve cancelled my last appointments with him as I’m not interested / can’t be bothered to see him anymore – he just seems to be interested in prescribing drugs rather than fixing my problems. Zoloft seemed to work from about the 4th to 8th month point – but stopped working a couple of months after. Since then I’ve felt "flat" ever since and the Efexor hasn’t helped either. I have about 8 weeks of meds left. I’m worried about how to ease myself off these drugs. I know when I go without my Efexor for a couple of days I get quite bad mood-swings and it can be a little scary. Please help with some advice. Thanks, Ben
Hi Ben, I took Effexor for approximately a year and it worked similarly to Paxil, an ssri anti depressant, which is to say it helped to reduced my anxiety, but it couldn’t stop bouts of high anxiety or situational panic attacks. It eventually pooped out and I ended up dropping it for another AD at that time. I would recommend that you wean off this drug slowly, just as you would an ssri anti depressant. This means gradually decreasing your dosage over at least a several week period. This lessens withdrawal and its side effects. Last, but not least, talk to your doctor, if not the shrink, then your GP and get his input re. tapering off Effexor. Whatever you do, don’t just stop taking it altogether because the side effects can be quite uncomfortable. Best wishes. Doug D.
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I came off Effexor recently, after only 75 mg/day for seven weeks. My doc’s instructions were to take 37.5 mg daily for a week, then 37.5 mg every other day for 2 more weeks, then discontinue. Those three weeks were a cakewalk, but were followed by 3-4 weeks of tachycardia, which my doc insists was an extremely atypical discontinuance reaction. Sorry I can’t help with the Zoloft. Figaro, It is Efexor I’m coming off (had been on Zoloft previous). I have the 150mg slow-release capsules (they’re full of little white balls). So I guess if I want to half the dosage it’s a case of emptying out a capsule down the sink and filling the empty shell with half the contents from another capsule. That effectively gives me 2 x 75mg capsules – right ? Anyone else on these slow-release capsules? Do you find they don’t digest properly? BJ
BJ, You can talk to your doctor about switching you over to standard Effexor pills and reducing your dosage with them until you’re off this med. Your doc would know for sure, but I think I’ve read that you can’t halve or quarter time release capsules and achieve acceptable results. Doug D.
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Meryl <mapr…@ozemail.com.au
writes: I notice you spell Efexor the way we do in Oz. I have changed the spelling on ngs but it is interesting to see that it is not just spelt that way here.
Yep, in the UK there’s one ‘f’ in ‘Efexor’ but no f’in’ Wellbutrin. (Well, not as an AD. In the UK it’s only approved for smoking cessation.)
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On 14 Dec 2003 09:21:06 +0000, Bruce Mardle <br…@algol.demon.co.uk
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Meryl <mapr…@ozemail.com.au writes: I notice you spell Efexor the way we do in Oz. I have changed the spelling on ngs but it is interesting to see that it is not just spelt that way here. Yep, in the UK there’s one ‘f’ in ‘Efexor’ but no f’in’ Wellbutrin. (Well, not as an AD. In the UK it’s only approved for smoking cessation.)
OK. LOL I think Wellbutrin has another name here. I take it back (just checked). It is sold as an antidepressant but is also known as Zyban for smoking cessation. As for me, I am very grateful to have switched to Lexapro. It will be on the PBS in Feb, until then I have sample packs. Meryl
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"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au
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news:onultvoa745lc6v2l4rf9cncvk7pa7sstd@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:54:13 -0000, "Peter Nolan" <nos…@nospam.com> > wrote: > >"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au
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> >news:ckdktvgei03hhs43p6kv1cc8107aomskd5@4ax.com… > >Hello Meryl, > >I see you are still flying the flag for Doug in our group. > I speak for myself. > >You have Panic Disorder by your own admission and do not belong in this > >group. > and depression and agoraphobia. I came here to learn about social > phobia so I could bring more understanding to my relationship. I did > ask posters if they objected. I don’t recall you objecting until now. > >You do not suffer from Social Phobia and therefore have no idea what you are
talking about. I was talking about tapering from Effexor. I know much about that. I was taking it for 5 years. You are not entitled to advise us on anything concerning Social Phobia whether it’s about drugs or any other aspect of our crippling disorder. Could you explain why my posting upsets you so much? Do us all a favour by subcribing to a group about Panic Disorder like alt.support.anxiety-panic. I do and ASAPM. Leave us alone. It’s bad enough suffering from Social Phobia without an asshole like you with a filthy agenda messing us up passing off as
someone
who can help us here in alt.support.social-phobia. Would you like to talk about what you see as my agenda? I am interested, really. Go somewhere else where you can gloat about others less fortunate than yourself. I am sorry if you perceive me as gloating. I am not sure why. I’m sick and tired of you popping up here on a regular basis because that evil cocksucker, Doug, has finally figured out he serves no useful
purpose
in assp where he tries to pass himself off as a qualified pharmacist or
even
a psychiatrist. Believe me, Doug is not a pharmacist, nor a psychiatrist. However he does have SP, hence my appearance here to learn more about the disorder. In other words, kiss your ass and swallow! I don’t think I have mentioned that I have a chronic back problem. I think such a contortion is beyond me.
Hello Meryl, You must think that we are a bunch of soft headed morons. I don’t believe a single word word you say. Leave our group. You do not belong here. You made your entrance when you told us what a kind loving man Doug was. We now know otherwise. That is when you should have left. Doug has destroyed our group when it became obvious to him that he could no longer play the role of father figure to the group dominating and infecting the group by trying to write in a calm measured way when there was a almost uncontrollable rage seething inside him something we have all seen now in him at long last. The group barely functions now because the younger members of the group are just too frightened to post the way they used to. I had to leave the group because of Doug’s first attack on me and I was about to leave the group for the second and last time when John Jay came to the rescue. When I returned to the group for the second time hoping that I could post without feeling fear Doug, this evil piece of shit, waited for just the right moment to attack me for a second time. Since he can no longer enjoy the feeling that he is the group’s wise old man seeing himself a someone in his middle 50’s who has survived till now the ravages of Social Phobia he set about creating so much fear in us, people who already live in a constant state of fear, that he has single handedly destroyed our group to the point where we are lucky if thre is even just one post per day. This group is a sanctuary for the relatively small number of people in the group who have really nowhere else to go. It was a precious resource that I valued greatly. Now if things continue the way they are going Usenet will close the group altogether and the great all knowing one, Doug, will be to blame for this. I was 50 last July and as I took pains to explain to the younger members of the group there is really nothing special about the way I write. The ability to write is something that develops with age and all of the younger members of the group will find that this is true when they get older. So they are easily intimidated by the words of older people who don’t know that they have nothing to be afraid of even if what Doug writes fills them with a feeling of dread and foreboding. I curse Doug for doing what he did to me and what he has done to this group. If you want to learn about Social Phobia this is not the place to do it and if you think I will accept that you are hear to learn more about Social Phobia then you must think I’m the biggest fool you have ever come across. I see Doug has posted a message below this and if this piece of shit thinks I will read it then he too thinks I am a complete idiot. I expect Usenet will close terminate the group soon if things don’t pick up and trhe younger members of the group find the couage to start posting again. I have encouraged everyone many times to post and not be afraid but now thanks to Doug the level of fear is just too high. Go away. You have nothing whatsoever to offer to this dying group. Peter Nolan
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:54:13 -0000, "Peter Nolan" <nos…@nospam.com
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"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au wrote in message news:ckdktvgei03hhs43p6kv1cc8107aomskd5@4ax.com… Hello Meryl, I see you are still flying the flag for Doug in our group. You have Panic Disorder by your own admission and do not belong in this group. You do not suffer from Social Phobia and therefore have no idea what you are talking about. You are not entitled to advise us on anything concerning Social Phobia whether it’s about drugs or any other aspect of our crippling disorder. Do us all a favour by subcribing to a group about Panic Disorder like alt.support.anxiety-panic. Leave us alone. It’s bad enough suffering from Social Phobia without an asshole like you with a filthy agenda messing us up passing off as someone who can help us here in alt.support.social-phobia. Go somewhere else where you can gloat about others less fortunate than yourself. I’m sick and tired of you popping up here on a regular basis because that evil cocksucker, Doug, has finally figured out he serves no useful purpose in assp where he tries to pass himself off as a qualified pharmacist or even a psychiatrist.
Peter, I haven’t had time to post here for some time now because I took a job about 2 months ago working as a consultant. I was very fortunate in having a friend who also does consulting work in my field, offered me work, and provides accommodation for my sp when it gets to be too much. The work will eventually ease up and I’ll return on at least a semi regular basis to this group. I must say that for someone who’s cried crocodile tears for months about being personally attacked once or twice, you certainly don’t have any qualms about attacking others yourself. And vulgar to boot. To set the record straight, I’ve never, ever tried to pass myself off as a qualified pharmacist or a psychiatrist. I offer advice based on experience with my own sp and from research I’ve done over the years, but I’ve frequently made it clear that I have no professional credentials in this area. You might consider taking a long walk and trying to work some of your anger off. Doug D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
In other words, kiss your ass and swallow! Peter Nolan.
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Meryl <mapr…@ozemail.com.au
writes: On 13 Dec 2003 10:32:15 +0000, Bruce Mardle <br…@algol.demon.co.uk wrote: . For the first couple of weeks, I’d cry ‘at the drop of a hat’, which was odd cos I usually wasn’t feeling particularly sad. Was it depression? When that happens with me it is normally an indicator of depression.
Maybe, but on balance I’ve been happier since I stopped taking venlafaxine. I think I’ve been suffering from social phobia for the past 23 years, and mild depression for most of that time. The various healthcare people I’ve had peering at me over the past 3 years seem to agree with the former, but keep changing their mind about the latter.
I had lots of gastric problems, still have weeks later but I suspect that Lexapro might be a factor. I deal with the symptoms and I am grateful that my depression is alleviated.
Who designed this crazy system where 1 neurotransmitter is involved in both mood and digestion? I think we should sue. 
Effexor can affect sleep. I had insomnia at first but it passed.
In my case, I had the same screwy (lack of) sleep pattern on Efexor as off it, but didn’t feel dopey most of the time until I started. (The only time I’ve had a normal sleep pattern in the past 2 years was when I was on mirtazapine.)
I guess I responded as I did because I have dreadful memories of going through withdrawal cold turkey from 150 mg to 0. I had been admitted to hospital and was on nil by mouth. Thankfully they relented and allowed me a capsule after 60 hours. I was on IV Diazepam at the time.
Eek!
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On 13 Dec 2003 13:26:16 +0000, Bruce Mardle <br…@algol.demon.co.uk
wrote: >Meryl <mapr…@ozemail.com.au> writes: >> On 13 Dec 2003 10:32:15 +0000, Bruce Mardle <br…@algol.demon.co.uk
>> wrote: >> >. For the first couple of weeks, I’d cry ‘at the drop of a hat’, which >> >was odd cos I usually wasn’t feeling particularly sad. >> Was it depression? When that happens with me it is normally an >> indicator of depression. >Maybe, but on balance I’ve been happier since I stopped taking >venlafaxine. I think I’ve been suffering from social phobia for the >past 23 years, and mild depression for most of that time. The various >healthcare people I’ve had peering at me over the past 3 years seem to >agree with the former, but keep changing their mind about the latter.
I was diagnosed with Panic Disorder and mild Agoraphobia in 1995. The depression diagnosis came in 1998 and my pdoc diagnoses it as secondary to the anxiety. My depression was recently upgraded from mild to major.
I had lots of gastric problems, still have weeks later but I suspect that Lexapro might be a factor. I deal with the symptoms and I am grateful that my depression is alleviated. Who designed this crazy system where 1 neurotransmitter is involved in both mood and digestion? I think we should sue.
A class action perhaps?
Effexor can affect sleep. I had insomnia at first but it passed. In my case, I had the same screwy (lack of) sleep pattern on Efexor as off it, but didn’t feel dopey most of the time until I started. (The only time I’ve had a normal sleep pattern in the past 2 years was when I was on mirtazapine.)
My sleeping pattern has been fine for he past few months. I don’t know why it changed but I am grateful. I notice you spell Efexor the way we do in Oz. I have changed the spelling on ngs but it is interesting to see that it is not just spelt that way here.
I guess I responded as I did because I have dreadful memories of going through withdrawal cold turkey from 150 mg to 0. I had been admitted to hospital and was on nil by mouth. Thankfully they relented and allowed me a capsule after 60 hours. I was on IV Diazepam at the time. Eek!
It was truly terrible. I was an emergency admission with a perforated oesophagus. I discovered that surgeons know nothing about psychiatric medications. The psych registrar was not working on the weekend (cost-cutting). They could not contact my psychiatrist. I had to try and be assertive to even get the correct dose of diazepam. They had converted Xanax to diazepam incorrectly. I could have had seizures. Still that is in the past. My psychiatrist has told me that if I ever find I need an emergency admission again to go straight to a private emergency hospital. Our public system is grossly underfunded:( Meryl
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:54:13 -0000, "Peter Nolan" <nos…@nospam.com
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"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au wrote in message news:ckdktvgei03hhs43p6kv1cc8107aomskd5@4ax.com… Hello Meryl, I see you are still flying the flag for Doug in our group.
I speak for myself.
You have Panic Disorder by your own admission and do not belong in this group.
and depression and agoraphobia. I came here to learn about social phobia so I could bring more understanding to my relationship. I did ask posters if they objected. I don’t recall you objecting until now.
You do not suffer from Social Phobia and therefore have no idea what you are talking about.
I was talking about tapering from Effexor. I know much about that. I was taking it for 5 years.
You are not entitled to advise us on anything concerning Social Phobia whether it’s about drugs or any other aspect of our crippling disorder.
Could you explain why my posting upsets you so much?
Do us all a favour by subcribing to a group about Panic Disorder like alt.support.anxiety-panic.
I do and ASAPM.
Leave us alone. It’s bad enough suffering from Social Phobia without an asshole like you with a filthy agenda messing us up passing off as someone who can help us here in alt.support.social-phobia.
Would you like to talk about what you see as my agenda? I am interested, really.
Go somewhere else where you can gloat about others less fortunate than yourself.
I am sorry if you perceive me as gloating. I am not sure why.
I’m sick and tired of you popping up here on a regular basis because that evil cocksucker, Doug, has finally figured out he serves no useful purpose in assp where he tries to pass himself off as a qualified pharmacist or even a psychiatrist.
Believe me, Doug is not a pharmacist, nor a psychiatrist. However he does have SP, hence my appearance here to learn more about the disorder.
In other words, kiss your ass and swallow!
I don’t think I have mentioned that I have a chronic back problem. I think such a contortion is beyond me. Meryl
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On 13 Dec 2003 10:32:15 +0000, Bruce Mardle <br…@algol.demon.co.uk
wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Meryl <mapr…@ozemail.com.au> writes: >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:49:43 +1100, "Ben Johnson" <web…@hotmail.com
>> wrote: >> >I have the 150mg slow-release capsules (they’re full of little white balls). >> >So I guess if I want to half the dosage it’s a case of emptying out a >> >capsule down the sink and filling the empty shell with half the contents >> >from another capsule. That effectively gives me 2 x 75mg capsules – right ? >> This does not sound a good idea. I believe it is very difficult to get >> an accurate dosage that way. >Could be, but I’d think that taking half the contents of a capsule one >day and half the next would give a more constant concentration in the >body (and thus less chance of withdrawal effects) than taking a whole >capsule every 2 days.
OK. Given what you have written later. I have heard of capsules being opened and mixed in juice but I have no experience of that.
You may be able to get Effexor tablets at 37.5mg. They exist, but taking one 75mg modified release capsule each day would give a more constant concentration than taking two 37.5mg immediate release tablets each day. Some ADs are available as a liquid, to make it easier to tweak dosage, but venlafaxine doesn’t seem to be one of them. Effexor XR also comes in 75 mg capsules. And 37.5mg capsules in the US (but not in the UK [sigh]).
I am in Oz. I’m not sure we have 37.5. I did take 75 XR alternate days. It was not fun. I halved my
75mg/day for a fortnight by putting half of each 75mg capsule in some empty capsules (which I happened to have lying around!). I expect Ben could do away with the capsules if he could swallow the little balls, and not have them get stuck between his teeth. Wyeth say (in the prescribing info) that if one can’t swallow a capsule, it’s OK to mix the contents with a teaspoonful of applesauce(!) and swallow that.
Sounds like a plan.
Here’s my experience of stopping venlafaxine, for what it’s worth. I was on 75mg of the modified release stuff for 7 months up until 3 weeks ago when I stopped it cold (on my GPs suggestion… which seemed iffy, but I was so fed up with feeling dopey most of the time that I was beyond caring). Things I’ve noticed: . For the first couple of weeks, when my field of vision changed suddenly, I’d hear squelching noises for a second or 2. . For the first couple of weeks, I’d cry ‘at the drop of a hat’, which was odd cos I usually wasn’t feeling particularly sad.
Was it depression? When that happens with me it is normally an indicator of depression.
. I was going to say I’ve had slight diarrhoea since I stopped, but it’s probably more accurate to say that the constipation I’ve had for years and years has stopped!
I had lots of gastric problems, still have weeks later but I suspect that Lexapro might be a factor. I deal with the symptoms and I am grateful that my depression is alleviated.
. I’ve stopped gaining weight. (I gained 25lbs over the 7 months.)
Effexor worked well for me for years. It did not affect my weight just returned my mood to normal.
. I’m more energetic, but still dopey. The latter doesn’t surprise me, though, cos I’ve gone from sleeping a total of 8 hours a day (in short bursts) to sleeping an average of 5 hours a day (in 1 burst). This is frustrating. I’ve lost 2 years of university study due to dopiness which I attribute to meds. If I’m still dopey when my next course starts (February), I will *not* be a happy bunny!
Effexor can affect sleep. I had insomnia at first but it passed.
Anyone else on these slow-release capsules? Do you find they don’t digest properly? I never had a problem with digesting the capsules.
I guess I responded as I did because I have dreadful memories of going through withdrawal cold turkey from 150 mg to 0. I had been admitted to hospital and was on nil by mouth. Thankfully they relented and allowed me a capsule after 60 hours. I was on IV Diazepam at the time. All the best, Meryl
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"Meryl" <mapr…@ozemail.com.au
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news:ckdktvgei03hhs43p6kv1cc8107aomskd5@4ax.com… Hello Meryl, I see you are still flying the flag for Doug in our group. You have Panic Disorder by your own admission and do not belong in this group. You do not suffer from Social Phobia and therefore have no idea what you are talking about. You are not entitled to advise us on anything concerning Social Phobia whether it’s about drugs or any other aspect of our crippling disorder. Do us all a favour by subcribing to a group about Panic Disorder like alt.support.anxiety-panic. Leave us alone. It’s bad enough suffering from Social Phobia without an asshole like you with a filthy agenda messing us up passing off as someone who can help us here in alt.support.social-phobia. Go somewhere else where you can gloat about others less fortunate than yourself. I’m sick and tired of you popping up here on a regular basis because that evil cocksucker, Doug, has finally figured out he serves no useful purpose in assp where he tries to pass himself off as a qualified pharmacist or even a psychiatrist. In other words, kiss your ass and swallow! Peter Nolan.
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ImJustOne wrote:
If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the morning.
You mean you go back to bed if there’s no positive posts?
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The Putt King wrote:
About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
How about if you can’t enjoy anything? I’m getting the feeling that my current Effexor dose won’t be enough to get through this winter. This windy, grey weather today makes my mood dive…
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ImJustOne wrote:
If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)
HTF does one learn to talk???
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The Putt King wrote: About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted. How about if you can’t enjoy anything? I’m getting the feeling that my current Effexor dose won’t be enough to get through this winter. This windy, grey weather today makes my mood dive.
Build something. Do-it-Yourself carpentry! Maybe if I hit my thumbs enough times with a hammer, I’d be in a pain that might take my mind off my emotional misery.
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In our current culture, shorts seem like kind of a no-no on men when you’re dressing remotely to impress anyway. Fine for being comfortable or playing sports, but it doesn’t particularly make you look good, even with nice legs. (Endurance weenie shaving culture aside?;) )
I guess not, hence the negative reaction. I suppose I was thinking as a bloke, not a woman. Men like to see the bare legs of women so I figured that women would like to see the bare legs of men. Sad
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"None" <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch
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ImJustOne wrote: If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself
to
feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it
chronic.
Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) HTF does one learn to talk???
I didn’t type that.
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"None" <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch
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ImJustOne wrote: If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself
to
feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it
chronic.
Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the
morning.
You mean you go back to bed if there’s no positive posts?
lol!
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"Sad" <S…@btinternet.com
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… Give up? Yeah damn right! I’ve tried with women, I really have. I’ve tried being witty, intelligent and thoughtful. I’ve even tried appealing to their baser instincts by deliberately wearing shorts in order to show my legs off. An attempt to show bare male skin in a sexual way (I’m desperate!) but what did I get? Either indifference or comments like ‘His legs look yukky’.
Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them. Virgo Cluster (who just finished the grading he needed to do today) "[10 Greats] (#9) Peter the Great (1672-1725), czar of Russia: brilliant but cruel despot, who had his own son tortured to death. After a lifetime of alcoholism, he died of syphilitic dementia." << Karl Shaw, "The Mammoth Book of Tasteless Lists", Carroll & Graf Publishers, 1998, p. 279
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sports clubs; i am a member of a gliding club and a yacht club. The gliding club is agood place to talk technical with a whole bunch of mainly older fellas who like relaying their near death experiences national records and glider technicalities, no women but i didnt join it for that. Sailing club is a good place to talk technical about yachts, near death experiences, and how close you cam to winning the national title in your class but still came 30th. few women(blokey atmosphere) but i go there to sail anyway. I dont know why i cant strike up a conversation there easily. i dont feel i have anything to contribute so, yeah, basically i cant think of anything to say. i.e no near death experiences, no national titles. I also think that my shyness can be seen from the outside as a kind of arrogance. as if im above "you lot". so i dont often get approached. Reasons i might be shy now ( i used to be the class clown in primary school) bullied at high school High school was an all boys school once good friends bailed on me been told im a "know all" on more than one occasion been harrassed after speaking in front of the whole school ( it was a memorial as well) made to feel self conscious about my lack of GF (s) First date girl stood me up during the date( i mean the very first date, three weeks ago) second "first date" made me realise how incompetent i am at trying to look intelligent and confident and knowing how to show a girl a good time.
OMB, you seem to have a parallel life to mine until the first date part. Unfortunately, I stood up my first date. -M
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firstly if you are reading out my profile, that isnt my profile. i certainly havent written that i am a dork, i dont play guitar and never claimed i have. http://soulmatesworld.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=display_profile&id=MG… sorry i may have mislead about the "match.com" wwtwn? "Insert Pseudonym Here" <i…@iphfakeaddr.com
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"whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam wrote in news:blo4gn$tae$1@lust.ihug.co.nz: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really Hmm…. Okay, this going to be a fairly harsh critique of your ad. If you’re sensitive, tune out now. Your tagline reads: " i might act like a dork somtimes but i can make a real woman feel like a real woman if you would just give me a chance " Two problems. First, you call yourself a dork. That’s only cute when cute young women do it. Second, "make a real woman feel like a real woman" might as well read, "You think you’re a real woman? You ain’t shit until you hop into my bed and PROVE it!" Maybe not what you had in mind, but that’s what a lot of women are going to take from it. It sounds like a sexual challenge. " turn-ons: No Answer sense of humor: No Answer " It looks weird that these have no answer. Surely you have selection criteria and a sense of humor? " i like to go to parties clubs concerts and just have as much fun as posiable i like playing my guitar alot love singing and i love to just get out and do stuff to have fun and live life sweet " True or not: 1) it sounds like you’re bullshitting, and 2) it sounds like all the other ads from guys (who are bullshitting). " im looking for a girl to no complain alot " This makes it sound like you’re looking for a woman to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen makin’ you a sammich. how do i learn how to talk to people? Get into situations where you’re forced to. Teach, volunteer, get a part time job as a cashier, etc. Eventually you’ll learn to stop giving a shit how you come off. If you come off great, great. If you come off terribly, so what? There’s so many people in the world, your chances of making a good impression on some of them are pretty high as long: 1) you’re willing to let it, and 2) your sample size exceeds a single digit.
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"Virgo Cluster" <gamma_n…@yahoo.com wrote in message news:dd95baf2.0310051345.3bed2b48@posting.google.com… Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them. I don’t think I could ever parade my legs like that! I don’t think they look *that* bad to be honest, a bit white perhaps but I’m not sure why I got such a negative reaction. No more shorts for me anyway
In our current culture, shorts seem like kind of a no-no on men when you’re dressing remotely to impress anyway. Fine for being comfortable or playing sports, but it doesn’t particularly make you look good, even with nice legs. (Endurance weenie shaving culture aside?;) )
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Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them.
I don’t think I could ever parade my legs like that! I don’t think they look *that* bad to be honest, a bit white perhaps but I’m not sure why I got such a negative reaction. No more shorts for me anyway Sad
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wrote in message <news:blo4gn$tae$1@lust.ihug.co.nz… Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side. Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people?
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Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl. "The Putt King" <theputtk…@aol.com wrote in message news:20031004191654.13183.00000343@mb-m24.aol.com… <<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
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My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.
Give up? Yeah damn right! I’ve tried with women, I really have. I’ve tried being witty, intelligent and thoughtful. I’ve even tried appealing to their baser instincts by deliberately wearing shorts in order to show my legs off. An attempt to show bare male skin in a sexual way (I’m desperate!) but what did I get? Either indifference or comments like ‘His legs look yukky’. Sad
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:51:52 +1300, "whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam
wrote: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side.
What are the sporting clubs? Why do you "shrink away" from the social side? Do you feel intimidated by them? … feel any sort of hostility from them? … can’t think of anything to say?
Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people?
Good question. What are the things you like to talk about?
Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl.
You will have to face that fear sooner or later, so why not sooner, rather than later? Solitary Soul -
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sports clubs; i am a member of a gliding club and a yacht club. The gliding club is agood place to talk technical with a whole bunch of mainly older fellas who like relaying their near death experiences national records and glider technicalities, no women but i didnt join it for that. Sailing club is a good place to talk technical about yachts, near death experiences, and how close you cam to winning the national title in your class but still came 30th. few women(blokey atmosphere) but i go there to sail anyway. I dont know why i cant strike up a conversation there easily. i dont feel i have anything to contribute so, yeah, basically i cant think of anything to say. i.e no near death experiences, no national titles. I also think that my shyness can be seen from the outside as a kind of arrogance. as if im above "you lot". so i dont often get approached. Reasons i might be shy now ( i used to be the class clown in primary school) bullied at high school High school was an all boys school once good friends bailed on me been told im a "know all" on more than one occasion been harrassed after speaking in front of the whole school ( it was a memorial as well) made to feel self conscious about my lack of GF (s) First date girl stood me up during the date( i mean the very first date, three weeks ago) second "first date" made me realise how incompetent i am at trying to look intelligent and confident and knowing how to show a girl a good time. I am so used to talking technical my mind draws a blank in situations where i have to try and make the weather sound interesting. I know i have an interesting side of me, i am not a bored person but my interests arnt that compatible with other people i meet so any resulting conversation is very thin. "Solitary Soul" <solitarys…@ev1.net
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:51:52 +1300, "whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam wrote: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile :
Yotie)
I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting
aspect
of but shrink away from the social side. What are the sporting clubs? Why do you "shrink away" from the social side? Do you feel intimidated by them? … feel any sort of hostility from them? … can’t think of anything to say? Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have
attempted
to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people? Good question. What are the things you like to talk about? Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room
to
introduce myself to a girl. You will have to face that fear sooner or later, so why not sooner, rather than later? Solitary Soul – http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/ —————————————————– If you can act convincingly, they’ll never know the difference. - Captain Obvious
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Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really
Hmm…. Okay, this going to be a fairly harsh critique of your ad. If you’re sensitive, tune out now. Your tagline reads: " i might act like a dork somtimes but i can make a real woman feel like a real woman if you would just give me a chance " Two problems. First, you call yourself a dork. That’s only cute when cute young women do it. Second, "make a real woman feel like a real woman" might as well read, "You think you’re a real woman? You ain’t shit until you hop into my bed and PROVE it!" Maybe not what you had in mind, but that’s what a lot of women are going to take from it. It sounds like a sexual challenge. " turn-ons: No Answer sense of humor: No Answer " It looks weird that these have no answer. Surely you have selection criteria and a sense of humor? " i like to go to parties clubs concerts and just have as much fun as posiable i like playing my guitar alot love singing and i love to just get out and do stuff to have fun and live life sweet " True or not: 1) it sounds like you’re bullshitting, and 2) it sounds like all the other ads from guys (who are bullshitting). " im looking for a girl to no complain alot " This makes it sound like you’re looking for a woman to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen makin’ you a sammich.
how do i learn how to talk to people?
Get into situations where you’re forced to. Teach, volunteer, get a part time job as a cashier, etc. Eventually you’ll learn to stop giving a shit how you come off. If you come off great, great. If you come off terribly, so what? There’s so many people in the world, your chances of making a good impression on some of them are pretty high as long: 1) you’re willing to let it, and 2) your sample size exceeds a single digit.
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Forget women for awhile. You’re likely a ways away from the point where you can be successful. Don’t agree with me? Are you really sure? Are you confident that there’s something about you that’s rare that there should be a woman who wants you for it? Then go sell yourself. Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)
A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the morning.
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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to be 2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.
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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to
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2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.
My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.
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Darkfalz wrote:
My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.
[shudder] Ye gods! That’s the spirit, big guy. MCMLXVI’s Fortune Cookies: "If at first you don’t succeed, redefine success."
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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to be 2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.
Forget women for awhile. You’re likely a ways away from the point where you can be successful. Don’t agree with me? Are you really sure? Are you confident that there’s something about you that’s rare that there should be a woman who wants you for it? Then go sell yourself. Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)
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wrote in message <news:3F7EC492.3080801@earthlink.net… Darkfalz wrote: My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse. [shudder] Ye gods! That’s the spirit, big guy.
My timeline is similar, too, just a few years prior to yours. Time goes on and nothing changes for the shy person. Even when I got the chance, I couldn’t act on it, too afraid.
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<<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
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Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side. Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people? Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl. "The Putt King" <theputtk…@aol.com
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<<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to
concentrate
on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
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