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Sorry to dissapoint you, but the thirst is not from drinking and sixpack doesn’t refer to beer…

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Yes,I am expiriencing that also,but not enough to drink four gallons.I am taking singulair,albuterol,prednisone,Claritin,and Vanceril.

Jamie, It could possibly be from the Prednisone.  Prednisone tends to make you retain water.  I also drink a lot of fluids.  Four gallons of water in a day as the other person stated is a massive amount, but I do consume more than most people. Chrystal

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That is a good suggestion, what intially had thought of,  but I went to the doctor a month ago and had a blood work and a urine sample to check everything out because I was and still am having problems with muscle cramps/spasms. Everything came back normal except for a slighty high level of creatine in my body.  Any other ideas?

I had a big problem with dehydration before I was diagnosed with asthma.  It turns out that untreated (or undertreated) airways inflammation caused you to lose water through respiration at a much greater rate. When I got the asthma under control the dehydration went away. "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, aew-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992

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Have you been tested for diabetes?  If not, you should be.  Also, it’s true that a person can die from drinking too much of anything, including water. It takes a large amount to kill a person, but it’s possible.  See your doctor before it’s too late.  Chew some gum.  That might help until you have time to get an appointment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had any problems with extreme thirst while taking asthma medications?  There are days where I have literally drank over four gallons of water and still felt extremely thirsty.  I take serevent, flovent, singulair, and was just recently finished a 10 day course of Prednisone.  Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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Has anyone had any problems with extreme thirst while taking asthma medications?  There are days where I have literally drank over four gallons of water and still felt extremely thirsty.  I take serevent, flovent, singulair, and was just recently finished a 10 day course of Prednisone.  Any info would be helpful.   Thanks.

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Has anyone had any problems with extreme thirst while taking asthma medications?  There are days where I have literally drank over four gallons of water and still felt extremely thirsty.  I take serevent, flovent, singulair, and was just recently finished a 10 day course of Prednisone.  Any info would be helpful.  

Four gallons is an enormous quantity of liquid for any human to consume in a 24 hour period… could an explanation possibly be associated with your screen name… maybe change it to <iP4gals? <G Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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Excessive thirst and frequent urination are common symptoms of diabetes.  I suggest you talk with your doctor about this possibility. -Aleta – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had any problems with extreme thirst while taking asthma medications?  There are days where I have literally drank over four gallons of water and still felt extremely thirsty.  I take serevent, flovent, singulair, and was just recently finished a 10 day course of Prednisone.  Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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That is a good suggestion, what intially had thought of,  but I went to the doctor a month ago and had a blood work and a urine sample to check everything out because I was and still am having problems with muscle cramps/spasms. Everything came back normal except for a slighty high level of creatine in my body.  Any other ideas?

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syncope is another word for fainting R

I’ve taken seravent for years and never had a problem.  My son takes singulair and I take Accolate and I’ve never had a problem with either.  Helen

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I know that lots of people do really well on Serevent but like other similar drugs, I’ve heard that it has been known to cause symptoms especially in new users. I got a severe irregular heartbeat with my first dose – had to be treated by EMS! I was really lightheaded and dizzy while all this was going on. You an look up Servent at – http://www.glaxowellcome.co.in/ghome.htm

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syncope is another word for fainting Renae

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never heard of syncope.  What is it?

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In the last few months I’ve had some episodes of syncope.  The only thing that has changed in my life in this time is stress (more) and  the addition of Serevent and Singulair.  My pulmonologist doesn’t think either of the drugs is the cause (although he’s taking me off the Singulair to be sure) and I have made an appointment with my internist to figure this out. Has anyone had similar episodes while on either of these drugs? Just covering all the bases, Cindy Donnell

Syncope can be caused by many factors including stress. I also doubt either of these drugs could cause it but if I had to pick one it would be Serevent since it’s known to have some effects on the heart. See rxlist.com Here’s a link with more info on syncope: http://www.vh.org/Providers/ClinRef/FPHandbook/Chapter02/11-2.html University of Iowa Family Practice Handbook, 3rd Edition, Chapter 2 Cardiology: Syncope        Peter P. Toth, M.D., Ph.D. Excerpt: "I.Definition Be sure to differentiate between near syncope and vertigo.  The differential diagnosis is different. See Chapter 14 for  work-up and differential of vertigo.  A.Syncope is a sudden, brief loss of consciousness (LOC) and,  strictly speaking, is related to abrupt cerebral hypoperfusion.  B.Near syncope is a sense of impending LOC or weakness,  occurs more frequently, and provides valuable diagnostic clues,  since the patient usually has better recollection of the event.  C.Frequency of causes. 55% vasovagal, 10% cardiac, 10%  neurologic, 5% metabolic or drug-induced, 5% "other," and  10% undiagnosed causes. II.Causes of Syncope and Near Syncope  A.Cardiac and circulatory.   1.Vasodepressor syncope (vasovagal syncope) is the most  common cause and tends to be familial. It occurs when a  susceptible person is confronted with a stressful situation. " Ellis

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Dear ASA’ers, In the last few months I’ve had some episodes of syncope.  The only thing that has changed in my life in this time is stress (more) and  the addition of Serevent and Singulair.  My pulmonologist doesn’t think either of the drugs is the cause (although he’s taking me off the Singulair to be sure) and I have made an appointment with my internist to figure this out. Has anyone had similar episodes while on either of these drugs? Just covering all the bases, Cindy Donnell

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I’ve never heard of syncope.  What is it?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear ASA’ers, In the last few months I’ve had some episodes of syncope.  The only thing that has changed in my life in this time is stress (more) and  the addition of Serevent and Singulair.  My pulmonologist doesn’t think either of the drugs is the cause (although he’s taking me off the Singulair to be sure) and I have made an appointment with my internist to figure this out. Has anyone had similar episodes while on either of these drugs? Just covering all the bases, Cindy Donnell

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::I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. ::But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. ::I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. ::And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, ::with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me. Dear Diana, I hope the Zoloft reduction helps. I agree with Philip in that I don’t understand why nothing more was done at this appt.  You’ve been suffering long enough. (((((Diana))))) Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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My dear Family . I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me. I will let you know how things are going. Love Diana — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Diana, I hope this med adjustment is successful for you. Dealing with the death of a loved one takes time.  Your sister was a valuable piece of your life but you will make it through this… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Family . I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me. I will let you know how things are going. Love Diana — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I wish you the very best with this med change, Diana.  I hope you can, somehow, deal with the death of your sister.  I know how close you were and I would feel the same.  Thinking of you.  {{{{{Diana}}}}} Love, Di

My dear Family . I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me. I will let you know how things are going. Love Diana

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Diana schreef: My dear Family . I went to Roel this morning, and I have still the zoloft. But I take now 2x 50mg, first I had 3x 50mg. I will see him back in 14 days, and than we will talk again abaut the med. And we will than talk also abaut the problems I have, with the deadt of my sister, and why it is so difficult for me.

I wonder why he didn’t talk with you about your medication now instead of postponing it. The same goes for talking about your sister’s death. You were scheduled for aan appointment, weren’t you? Or didn’t he have enough time? Well, you will survive another two weeks but it’s a bit disappointing that nothing was talked about. Maybe lowering ther Zoloft dose is a good idea. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey moron, solar cells work at night too! We have these little things called batteries, you fucking idiot. "Bill Bonde, one of many Fair and Balanced Conservatives, AKA Spike, currently brunching on extra juicy ortolans, where do you put the beaks

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "It is a massively fragile Rube Goldberg device that dangerously and inefficiently carts around electricity from expensive, polluting and extremely unsafe central generating plants… The technology for a decentralized, solar-based power system is ready now. We don’t need massive research breakthroughs…" Does anyone out there actually believe this stuff? In 1952 a Blue Ribbon report to Harry Truman predicted that the future of America’s energy rested with the sun.  It predicted 13 million solar-powered homes here by 1975, and the promise of decentralized, off-grid self-sufficiency. Instead, Dwight Eisenhower took us into the pit of the "Peaceful Atom".  A trillion dollars later, we have a half-century of crashing grids and dangerous nukes that are vulnerable to terrorism and must shut down precisely when they’re most needed, as they did during this latest blackout. I suppose your solar power won’t shut down when it’s most needed, at night. The latest Bush energy bill only makes the situation worse, with more nuke subsidies and a powerful push for fossil fuels, especially coal. Nuclear power and coal are the only practical major new sources of energy right now. Nuclear power is especially attractive. The whole system demands a green deconstruction.  Solar technologies are ready to make energy self-sufficiency a tangible reality. Photovoltaic cells on rooftops and embedded in windows can produce grid-free electricity, with battery or fuel-cell backups. Do you know what fuel cells cost? Geothermal power can heat and cool with nothing but the power of the earth’s crust. Sure but it isn’t available everywhere and where it is, tapping it too hard can cause negative effects in on nearby national treasures such as Yellow Stone. Methane digestion can turn waste into usable gas.  Basement generators can use biomass fuels like ethanol and soy diesel for off-grid self-sufficiency. These systems need not provide 100% of a building’s energy, but can gradually make them increasingly self-sufficient. If they don’t provide 100% of the build’s needs, then we will still need a grid. Meanwhile more efficient heating, lighting and cooling systems can reduce demand. Windows that actually open and close can balance usage, building by building. Bush’s "upgrading the grid" means a new money pit for the same old unsafe nukes, polluting coal burners and gas turbines whose prices are set to skyrocket all looped together by dangerous, wasteful wires that are bound to crash again and again. Almost all of the alternative sources of energy are not available on demand. Coal, nuclear, gas, are available on demand. A grid could be used to transfer power from where there is a temporary surplus to where it is needed. That’s what is done now. Doing away with that seems like a negative for those who want to run homes in cloudy areas on solar power. San Francisco has used part of a public bond to put the first of a new generation of solar cells atop its downtown Moscone Center.  Those same cells could’ve kept Madison Square Garden or any other Manhattan building up and running during this latest outage.  Will New Yorkers know better next time? The person who wrote this didn’t bother to even do the most basic of math. Geez. What if the outage had occurred in the Winter? At night?

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"It is a massively fragile Rube Goldberg device that dangerously and inefficiently carts around electricity from expensive, polluting and extremely unsafe central generating plants… The technology for a decentralized, solar-based power system is ready now. We don’t need massive research breakthroughs…"

Does anyone out there actually believe this stuff? In 1952 a Blue Ribbon report to Harry Truman predicted that the future of America’s energy rested with the sun.  It predicted 13 million solar-powered homes here by 1975, and the promise of decentralized, off-grid self-sufficiency. Instead, Dwight Eisenhower took us into the pit of the "Peaceful Atom".  A trillion dollars later, we have a half-century of crashing grids and dangerous nukes that are vulnerable to terrorism and must shut down precisely when they’re most needed, as they did during this latest blackout.

I suppose your solar power won’t shut down when it’s most needed, at night. The latest Bush energy bill only makes the situation worse, with more nuke subsidies and a powerful push for fossil fuels, especially coal.

Nuclear power and coal are the only practical major new sources of energy right now. Nuclear power is especially attractive. The whole system demands a green deconstruction.  Solar technologies are ready to make energy self-sufficiency a tangible reality. Photovoltaic cells on rooftops and embedded in windows can produce grid-free electricity, with battery or fuel-cell backups.

Do you know what fuel cells cost? Geothermal power can heat and cool with nothing but the power of the earth’s crust.  

Sure but it isn’t available everywhere and where it is, tapping it too hard can cause negative effects in on nearby national treasures such as Yellow Stone. Methane digestion can turn waste into usable gas.  Basement generators can use biomass fuels like ethanol and soy diesel for off-grid self-sufficiency. These systems need not provide 100% of a building’s energy, but can gradually make them increasingly self-sufficient.

If they don’t provide 100% of the build’s needs, then we will still need a grid. Meanwhile more efficient heating, lighting and cooling systems can reduce demand. Windows that actually open and close can balance usage, building by building. Bush’s "upgrading the grid" means a new money pit for the same old unsafe nukes, polluting coal burners and gas turbines whose prices are set to skyrocket all looped together by dangerous, wasteful wires that are bound to crash again and again.

Almost all of the alternative sources of energy are not available on demand. Coal, nuclear, gas, are available on demand. A grid could be used to transfer power from where there is a temporary surplus to where it is needed. That’s what is done now. Doing away with that seems like a negative for those who want to run homes in cloudy areas on solar power. San Francisco has used part of a public bond to put the first of a new generation of solar cells atop its downtown Moscone Center.  Those same cells could’ve kept Madison Square Garden or any other Manhattan building up and running during this latest outage.  Will New Yorkers know better next time?

The person who wrote this didn’t bother to even do the most basic of math. Geez. What if the outage had occurred in the Winter? At night?

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"It is a massively fragile Rube Goldberg device that dangerously and inefficiently carts around electricity from expensive, polluting and extremely unsafe central generating plants… The technology for a decentralized, solar-based power system is ready now. We don’t need massive research breakthroughs…" "San Francisco has used part of a public bond to put the first of a new generation of solar cells atop its downtown Moscone Center.  Those same cells could’ve kept Madison Square Garden or any other Manhattan building up and running during this latest outage.  Will New Yorkers know better next time?" The latest bogus fossil-nuke blackout: this grid should not exist by Harvey Wasserman, August 15, 2003 This is the fourth—and worst—completely unnecessary major regional blackout in this country in forty years, dating back to 1965. It’s scope—from Detroit to Ottawa to New York and New Jersey—is absolutely awesome, especially since it’s due to total stupidity and corruption. This does not count the blackouts that raged through California in 2000-2001.  Those were "blackmails," set by Enron and the other Bush gas cronies to rip $60 billion out of the state, leading to, among other things, the impending ouster of Gov. Gray Davis. When the lights went out, Davis kissed the feet of Southern California Edison’s John Bryson, who engineered a deregulation bill that gouged $30 billion out of the ratepayers for the state’s failed nukes.  That opened the gates for the gas pirates to steal yet another $60 billion. Davis got caught in the backdraft. The culprits in this latest northeastern disaster are basically the same—the barons of fossil and nuclear power and their cronies in the electric utility business. Their "weapon" is an ancient electric grid that’s obsolete if not obscene.   It is a massively fragile Rube Goldberg device that dangerously and inefficiently carts around electricity from expensive, polluting and extremely unsafe central generating plants to buildings that waste massive amounts of energy and generate none. That the grid will crash again and again and yet again is absolutely certain.  The only question is who are the real terrorists:  errant crazies who blow things up, or entrenched interests that refuse to change? The technology now exists to transcend this mess.  In the mid 1990s California’s green energy advocates proposed a 600-megawatt mosaic of solar, wind and other renewable generators that would have entirely prevented the fake deregulatory crisis of 2000-1.  It was approved by the California Public Utilities Commission, but then killed by Southern California Edison and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. Today, the Bush Administration wants to further subsidize its fossil/utility friends with a bad energy bill, and by pouring billions into "upgrading" the electric grid.  The only thing certain is that every cent of that money will be wasted. In 1952 a Blue Ribbon report to Harry Truman predicted that the future of America’s energy rested with the sun.  It predicted 13 million solar-powered homes here by 1975, and the promise of decentralized, off-grid self-sufficiency. Instead, Dwight Eisenhower took us into the pit of the "Peaceful Atom".  A trillion dollars later, we have a half-century of crashing grids and dangerous nukes that are vulnerable to terrorism and must shut down precisely when they’re most needed, as they did during this latest blackout.  The latest Bush energy bill only makes the situation worse, with more nuke subsidies and a powerful push for fossil fuels, especially coal. The whole system demands a green deconstruction.  Solar technologies are ready to make energy self-sufficiency a tangible reality. Photovoltaic cells on rooftops and embedded in windows can produce grid-free electricity, with battery or fuel-cell backups.  Geothermal power can heat and cool with nothing but the power of the earth’s crust.  Methane digestion can turn waste into usable gas.  Basement generators can use biomass fuels like ethanol and soy diesel for off-grid self-sufficiency. These systems need not provide 100% of a building’s energy, but can gradually make them increasingly self-sufficient.  Meanwhile more efficient heating, lighting and cooling systems can reduce demand. Windows that actually open and close can balance usage, building by building. Bush’s "upgrading the grid" means a new money pit for the same old unsafe nukes, polluting coal burners and gas turbines whose prices are set to skyrocket all looped together by dangerous, wasteful wires that are bound to crash again and again. San Francisco has used part of a public bond to put the first of a new generation of solar cells atop its downtown Moscone Center.  Those same cells could’ve kept Madison Square Garden or any other Manhattan building up and running during this latest outage.  Will New Yorkers know better next time? The technology for a decentralized, solar-based power system is ready now. We don’t need massive research breakthroughs. We need public demand and fully funded production capacity.  And to stop repeating the same mistakes because the utility and fossil/nuke guys fund the politicians in power. This isn’t rocket science.  It’s just common solar sense, known to all since 1952. Harvey Wasserman is author of THE LAST ENERGY WAR and senior editor of www.freepress.org. CONTACT THE FREE PRESS: PRINT: 1240 Bryden Road Columbus, Ohio 43209 Ph/Fx 614.253.2571 SOURCE: http://www.freepress.org/columns.php?strFunc=display&strID=735&strYea… Author=7 = = = = STILL FEELING LIKE THE MAINSTREAM U.S. CORPORATE MEDIA IS GIVING A FULL HONEST PICTURE OF WHAT’S GOING ON? = = = = More information: Daily Online 2 hour radio show reporting: www.DemocracyNow.org = = = = Sorry we cannot read/reply to most usenet posts but welcome email For more information: http://EconomicDemocracy.org/wtc/ (peace) And http://EconomicDemocracy.org/ (general)

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That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety.

no-at this point the fda encourages docs to find off label uses for all meds-so they actually encourage experimentation-it has pros and cons obviously all ssri’s are used for the whole plethora of psychiatric conditions-some having a specific signature or profile makes them better or worse for a given situation, person or condition. Celexa and zoloft are both equivocal as antidepressants or panic blocking drugs. For some zoloft is more easily tolerated and works better and others the celexa is the king. On average the celexa has just a tad bit less side effects-but again that’s on average. What I see of the lexapro–it’s like being able to increase the dose of celexa with a little less typical side effects but it’s not a real big deal-so it has some value but not a home run — docs like using paxil for anxiety because it is sedating-for me that just means you have a sedated anxious person so I base a meds worth on its overall ability and the de facto observations of it in a person. All the ssri’s have value but none of them are the magic secret bullet we hoped for. Zoloft would typically energize a procrastinating, non motivated somewhat less active person better and with a bit more gusto then celexa-but celexa may do a more complete or less obtrusive and more subtle job-so it depends on the take of the doc, his experience with them and the clients presenting symptoms and personality, biology and history LM

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:Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s :slogin that i well remember) It means I am sticking my tongue at you in a playful way Jackie ~*~All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another~*~         ~Anatole France~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety. no-at this point the fda encourages docs to find off label uses for all meds-so they actually encourage experimentation-it has pros and cons obviously all ssri’s are used for the whole plethora of psychiatric conditions-some having a specific signature or profile makes them better or worse for a given situation, person or condition. Celexa and zoloft are both equivocal as antidepressants or panic blocking drugs. For some zoloft is more easily tolerated and works better and others the celexa is the king. On average the celexa has just a tad bit less side effects-but again that’s on average. What I see of the lexapro–it’s like being able to increase the dose of celexa with a little less typical side effects but it’s not a real big deal-so it has some value but not a home run — docs like using paxil for anxiety because it is sedating-for me that just means you have a sedated anxious person so I base a meds worth on its overall ability and the de facto observations of it in a person. All the ssri’s have value but none of them are the magic secret bullet we hoped for. Zoloft would typically energize a procrastinating, non motivated somewhat less active person better and with a bit more gusto then celexa-but celexa may do a more complete or less obtrusive and more subtle job-so it depends on the take of the doc, his experience with them and the clients presenting symptoms and personality, biology and history LM

Thanks Much. I know that zoloft was NOT for me. The jury is still out on celexa. But I kinda get the picture from all that has been stated. (Just a side note–I’ve Never heard anyone say anything good about prozac–but–my sample would be way too small.) Happy Holidays From your Neighboor Detective. Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s slogin that i well remember)

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Jackie—What’s the "P" mean. ( I haven’t a clue unless–Peace–a 60’s slogin that i well remember)

Well if your serious, is a face expression as if someone is sticking their tongue out. Like a smile : ) Unless your jokes are very subtle ; ) BTW I’m not Jackie, but I’m bored today LOL Later Dan, KF…

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That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety. In my case–They seem to be totally different! Or is this another one of those famous YMMV type things?

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That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for anxiety.

I would think so because Celexa is less stimulating than Zoloft. Although I am on Zoloft and perceive no stimulation. But that may be because I am also on Klonopin. Chip

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:That Celexa would be prescribed more for anxiety than say Zoloft for :anxiety. I don`t know what one is prescribed most…….certain things come into play when prescribing meds, anything from have a lot of samples on hand to doctors personal preference. My psychologist favored Prozac for anxiety and panic. :In my case–They seem to be totally different! Or is this another one f those famous YMMV type things? That`s whats great about the SSRI`s, they are all different. If one doesn`t work, you can always try another one. The more med choices that are available, the better chance one has of finding an effective med. Take care Columbo Jackie ~*~All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another~*~         ~Anatole France~

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I didn’t respond to Zoloft or Luvox. I’m waiting to see if Prozac helps. I hope. James

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Wellbutrin doesn’t do anything for OCD.  If it did, I would be on it now.  Wellbutrin works on dopamine, and we need something that works on serotonin. There is a novel way to treat OCD, and that’s Zyprexa.  I found it worked for my OCD very well, and it also calmed me down so I could think straight.  Everybody else on this newsgroup will find Zyprexa foreign or the wrong choice for OCD–but they’re not psychiatrists.  Good psychiatrists will know about this treatment, for Zyprexa works on serotonin in a roundabout way. Perhaps you can try a tricyclic antidepressant.  The one with the least side-effects is desipramine.  Tricyclics tend to have the same side-effect profile as Paxil. Have you ever considered an MAOI, like Nardil or Parnate?  These drugs have as much efficacy as any other drug, but with unique precautions. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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I also think you’re missing out by not taking the Effexor.  It has the least side-effects of any drug I have ever taken.  Withdrawal:  Not everyone gets it, and even if they do, there are remedies for it: From: "Chris" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:05:30 +0000 Subject: Diphenhydramine for venlafaxine discontinuation reactions As a patient I found that Benadryl helped me get through the very uncomfortable withdrawals from Effexor. I only took it for a month. I was very surprised at the intensity of the withdrawal. The worst withdrawal effect for me was a sense of my nerves jangling when I moved my eyes and continuous indigestion, sort of a migraine-like feeling without the headache. When the Benedryl finally started to make me sleepy I switched to Dimetapp. The withdrawal took almost six weeks to get through, but I am now drug-free with tolerable levels of [chronic neck and back] pain [which was being treated with the Effexor]. From: "George Nasra" <nas…@penn.com

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:33:07 -0400 Subject: Venlafaxine discontinuation reactions I was tapering a patient off Effexor a few weeks ago and he had what I considered a severe withdrawal reaction with nausea and vomiting and flu-like symptoms although he was already started on fluoxetine. A slower tapering worked better. Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 20:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Judith Lipton <jlip…@forest.net

Subject: Venlafaxine discontinuation reactions Of particular note with venlaxafine is the severe withdrawal syndrome that may occur with dose reduction. Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ivan Goldberg <psy…@psycom.net

Subject: Venlafaxine discontinuation reactions On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Charles S Berlin wrote:

     In my experience with Effexor [the] main drawback is that      – like Xanax — it seems easy to get on, but very hard to      get off. Many of my patients on this med start to have some      withdrawal symptoms after missing even a few doses, or      when tapering down. From: "D. Fegg" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:12:14 -0500 Subject: Diphenhydramine for venlafaxine discontinuation reactions I want to reply/confirm regarding a listing for Effexor withdrawl symptoms that Benadryl is a great help getting through some of the rougher symptoms — whoda thunkit?! I tapered off my Effexor from 150 mg/day to 75 mg/day for a few wks, then to 37.5 mg/day for 2 wks, and then off. For the first 48 hrs, I had no symptoms, but then I was socked with the "electrical shock" phenomena someone else mentioned — with any movement at all. There were also concentration difficulties and gastrointestinal upset and just general crumminess. About 4 days into this, I read the post about Benadryl and got some, with quick reduction in a lot of the symptoms — enough so that I could return to work. It didn’t eliminate all of the problems, but it did a good job. I took it for about two weeks and then was over virtually all problems. My doctor was not familiar enough with this medication to have advice regarding the type/length of withdrawl symptoms, so I passed on the above info and hope it will help someone else. By the way, I am one of those people who do miss the great dreams I had on Effexor — very detailed vivid and downright interesting dreams — oh well. Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:00:29 -0800 From: kerr…@ix.netcom.com (Kerri D. Carter ) Subject: Venlafaxine discontinuation reactions A female patient in her 50s is currently taking Effexor tid in addition to blood pressure medication. She recently had a routine surgery for nasal passage blockage and discontinued her Effexor for approximately 3 days. She states that she experienced ringing in her ears and throbbing in her head that she associates with the absence of the Effexor — and this has been sufficiently severe for her to seriously question continuing to take it. This patient is typically very treatment receptive and compliant. This patient experienced this on one other occasion, when first taking the medication, and decided to continue after reassurance from her doctor of its benefits. The patient has had an excellent response to Effexor. Subject: Venlafaxine discontinuation reactions Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 21:02:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey R. Stenzel" <jsten…@polar.Bowdoin.EDU

I have a patient that suffered the symptoms you describe. Both times she discontinued venlafaxine (dose <= 37.5 mg) she described tinnitus and a vertiginous-like experience that lasted up to a week. Both times the symptoms completely resolved. BTW, she liked everything about the antidepressant except decreased libido and anorgasmia, hence the reason for the switches. Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:08:32 -0800 From: Ivan Goldberg <Psy…@psycom.net

Subject: Fluoxetine for antidepressant discontinuation reactions When a patient is having a severe discontinuation syndrome following the too rapid discontinuation of paroxetine (Paxil) or venlafaxine (Effexor), the treatment I prefer is fluoxetine (Prozac) 20 mg. q.o.d. until the reaction disappears. It is seldom necessary to give more than 2 or 3 doses, and because of the long t-1/2 of fluoxetine, no additional doses are necessary. From: RMRi…@aol.com (Roberta M. Richardson, M.D.) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:27:49 -0500 Subject: Fluoxetine for antidepressant discontinuation reactions Dr. Sheldon Preskorn has also suggested using fluoxetine to treat paroxetine withdrawal, and I have used it successfully for both paroxetine and venlafaxine withdrawal. As per Dr. Preskorn’s advice, I give the fluoxetine for several consecutive days, then stop it and let the natural taper occur. Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:46:21 -0500 Subject: Fluoxetine for antidepressant discontinuation reactions From: cwolf…@pipeline.com (Cyrus Wolfman) I have found the use of fluoxetine a better approach in treating the so-called "discontinuation" symptoms on withdrawing SSRIs with short half-lives. In the past, I had raised the SSRI dose back up and simply reduced it more slowly, often with the symptoms reappearing on the more gradual withdrawal. Now, I lower the dose a second time, as in the past, but if the symptoms appear, I switch to fluoxetine 20 mg per day. As soon as the symptoms remit (in two or three days) I stop the fluoxetine. So far, no problems. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Hello all…  I went to the doctors today and told him outright, that there is NO-WAY I am going to take these Efexor XL tabs he put me on. Jesus, have any of you read all the crap it can do to you, """type in Efexor withdrawal"" into any search engine, and have a read,,there’s thousands of them. I would come of meds altogether before I let any drug mess me up like that. Anyway to the point, I have been on Prozac for about 7 years on and off (never had any withdrawals from this at all, ever) for the last 3 and a half years I’ve been taking 20Mg daily and for the last 6 months I take 40Mg daily, Now my doc and me feel that they are starting to lose their potency and rather than increase them again we have decided to try another drug. First he put me on Paxil, as soon as I started taking it I got the feeling that I had a lump or something else stuck in my throat, also the back of my mouth felt a burning sensation, I’d get this for about five hours after taking the drug then it would pass. I told him I could do without side effects like that, thank you. Next he put me on Efexor XL, I came home and started browsing on here and the web, some of what I read you would not believe, so, it was in the bin for the Efexor. Back to my trusty old Prozac, Now this morning, he say’s what would you like to try today (sarcastic sod) he’s brilliant really. He say’s this time I should give either Luxor or Zoloft a go and to let him know tomorrow which one I would like. (meaning of course, after I have done my research on here) So there you have it, which one do you  think is the best.. ( I told my doc, that if he doesn’t get it right this time to just give me a signed prescription book and I will sort myself out.) :) I look forward to your replies Oh yes!!!!! before I forget, do you know that the doc’s in the UK cannot give welbrutin for depression or as an additional drug with an SSRI. It’s only licensed here for something to do with giving up smoking (weird isn’t it) Also that Efexor*-XL MP/SR is not available in the states,(not licensed) although they reckon the half-life of this new brand of Efexor is almost tenfold that of the regular Efexor thus combating withdrawal effects, I still not going to take them though.:) Smurf

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writes: You shouldn’t drink on meds at all.

This isn’t necessarily true (unless you’re an alcoholic of course, in which case you probably shouldn’t drink at all, meds or no meds), but it’s probably better not to drink on meds if the combination seems to cause bad side effects. Also, it’s important to keep your drinking moderate; if you have trouble limiting how much you drink, talk to your doctor about it. There are prescription drugs that are very dangerous to mix with alcohol (e.g., the barbiturates), but these are not used for panic and anxiety today. One thing that can happen, especially with tricyclics, is they can increase the effects of alcohol, so it’s like you’re drinking much more. The shaking and twitching the morning after drinking sounds like maybe a "rebound" effect from when the alcohol wears off. So anyway, you might want to try limiting it to one drink (i.e., one beer or one glass of wine) a night and see if that helps. If it doesn’t, try half a drink. If that doesn’t work, try no drinking at all. It’s a shame to have to make these changes in our lives but if it’s for your health, it’s worth it, right? I had twitches ("fasciculations") when I was taking Nardil, and a couple of meds including Nardil (and some of the tricyclics) have exacerbated my essential tremor. They’re common side effects and don’t mean that you’re brain damaged or anything. -elizabeth

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Hi I have been on Tricyclics (Dothiepin) for about 8 weeks now and am troubled by a slight tremble and occasional twitches. This seems to be worsened the day after I have had something to drink. It also seems to be worse during the day. Now I can’t be sure if these are just my anxiety symptoms or the medication or the combination of meds and alchohol. Either way, I never used to twitch! Has anyone had similar experiences with Tricyclics?

I don’t know about Dothiepin, but the package insert for my amitriptyline (another tricyclic) states definitely that one should not drink while on the medication. I developed some twitching when I was on Paxil.  I still experience it occasionally.  My doctor isn’t sure whether it’s a side effect, a result of my tension, or a combination of both. Either way, I don’t like it; one of the chief focuses of my anxiety is my health, especially that of my brain.  I had the worst time earlier in the year trying to convince myself that, no, I did _not_ have Jakob- Creuzfeldt disease (the human version of "mad cow disease," bovine spongiform epilepsy).  Every time I twitch, or have the slightest lapse in memory, I fret about it. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Phil, How much alcohol are you drinking? I used to drink to ease my depression and PD, and eventually I became addicted to alcohol. Had to go to AA to stay sober. Been sober 21 years now. I didn’t do it, God did. I used to have a mild tremor in my hands in the AM, and other people noticed it and commented. They also wondered why my eyes looked red. If you want to email about it, and ask any questions, I’m available. I’m always available for my brothers and sisters that have this problem. Chip Alchohol   You shouldn’t drink on meds at all. Xanman

By drinking, I mean a couple of beers or maybe a couple of glasses of wine. Nothing too much. All I noticed was that I trembled and twitched more after having drunk a little bit the night before phil

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You shouldn’t drink on meds at all. Xanman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I have been on Tricyclics (Dothiepin) for about 8 weeks now and am troubled by a slight tremble and occasional twitches. This seems to be worsened the day after I have had something to drink. It also seems to be worse during the day. Now I can’t be sure if these are just my anxiety symptoms or the medication or the combination of meds and alchohol. Either way, I never used to twitch! Has anyone had similar experiences with Tricyclics? Phil

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Phil, How much alcohol are you drinking? I used to drink to ease my depression and PD, and eventually I became addicted to alcohol. Had to go to AA to stay sober. Been sober 21 years now. I didn’t do it, God did. I used to have a mild tremor in my hands in the AM, and other people noticed it and commented. They also wondered why my eyes looked red. If you want to email about it, and ask any questions, I’m available. I’m always available for my brothers and sisters that have this problem. Chip Alchohol   You shouldn’t drink on meds at all. Xanman

Hi I have been on Tricyclics (Dothiepin) for about 8 weeks now and am troubled by a slight tremble and occasional twitches. This seems to be worsened the day after I have had something to drink. It also seems to be worse during the day. Now I can’t be sure if these are just my anxiety symptoms or the medication or the combination of meds and alchohol. Either way, I never used to twitch! Has anyone had similar experiences with Tricyclics? Phil

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Hi I have been on Tricyclics (Dothiepin) for about 8 weeks now and am troubled by a slight tremble and occasional twitches. This seems to be worsened the day after I have had something to drink. It also seems to be worse during the day. Now I can’t be sure if these are just my anxiety symptoms or the medication or the combination of meds and alchohol. Either way, I never used to twitch! Has anyone had similar experiences with Tricyclics? Phil

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Hi all. I was wondering if Wellbutrin is effective. I am taking it cause I have mild depression. What exactly does it do? Any answers can be appreciated. Thanks. Keith

I’ve been on it about 6 weeks, and I think the lack of crashes indicates that it is working.  I’m not happy-happy, but I’m not down too deep to see daylight, either. No intolerable negative side-effects so far…which is a rare thing for me with meds. And I better go pick up that refill (damn the expense) before that changes, I guess… The NyteBard (mail sent to the header address may or may not bounce)

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i’ve been taking wellbutrin for 5 weeks. i still smoke.    i still drink.  i’m still depressed. no good effects.   no bad effects. maybe it’s sitill too soon. mary, sorry i couldn’t help more…. "by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes…"

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Watch for mild rashes with Wellbutrin…..and some measure of temper tantrums….try to work on keeping these in check <thru modifying behavior…..The fog will probably start lifting for you after a few weeks…..drinking and smoking will both lose their fun-value with Wellbutrin… You will probably have some insomnia…..benadryl will help to counteract this effect, tho’…. disclaimer: **I am not a doctor….just a Wellbutrin taker… Rice

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Hi all. I was wondering if Wellbutrin is effective. I am taking it cause I have mild depression. What exactly does it do? Any answers can be appreciated. Thanks. Keith

Gave me a NASTY rash!!!  Watch for skin changes! — Our lives begin to end the day we are silent about things that matter.                                 Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Hi all. I was wondering if Wellbutrin is effective. I am taking it cause I have mild depression. What exactly does it do? Any answers can be appreciated. Thanks. Keith

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..has halved my depression….having some trouble with insomnia, tho’….but some of its ‘other’ <;- side-effects are "bearable"…. Rice

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

I’ve been taking wellbutrin for a while. I actually have days now that I am NOT depressed.  This is new to me.  I actually have energy to take the walk I’ve been meaning to take for over a month.  Wellbutrin is definitly worth a try. Oh yeah,  I’m smoking less too, without trying.                            Shari Lee "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" – Nietzsche

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Very much!  It took a little longer to "kick in" than what I expected and there were some minor side effects, but they went away in two or three weeks and the beneficial effects could be felt in about six weeks.  One other cool thing about it is that Wellbutrin is the same thing as the quit smoking pills that are available so I quit smoking rather painlessly as well!  Be patient and you’ll love it!  Good Luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help I had some side effects at first and had a tough time waiting for it to kick in. Now that it has, I LOVE it. Nothing has ever worked so well for me before and I haven’t felt this good in years.

Must be nice.

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It’s been miraculous for me. Dan — Deus Ex Machina

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

I had some side effects at first and had a tough time waiting for it to kick in. Now that it has, I LOVE it. Nothing has ever worked so well for me before and I haven’t felt this good in years.

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

Yes and yes. No side effects either (except some mild ones in the first couple weeks)

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I took that once; it gave me the biggest panic attack in my life; my anxiety was so high I couldn’t breathe. Jill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it helped me more than anything else i’ve tried. one thing i like about it is that it gives me more energy than i have without it. -lisa I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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it helped me more than anything else i’ve tried. one thing i like about it is that it gives me more energy than i have without it. -lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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I have just been put on this antidepressant and was wondering if anyone else was taking it and if so did it help

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Has it ever occurred to you that this might be the cause you need professional help? Does your doctor know you are so stupid to ingest that brain corrosion? I don’t know, but if you change one entire life of health for some euphoric moments at your local antro, I do not thing you have even the right to complain or ask anyone to fix you afterwords. ummm…are you *sure* you’re not a troll, teilhard?

I have been under a bit of stress lately, Sarah. That is not an excuse, I know, but one of the things that makes me mad is the lack of care some people give to their brains, the most precious gift we have. Anyway, here I go again: I APOLOGISE Better? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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ok so my doctor put me on Wellbutrin and I have been on it a few days. at first when i took it i would a little lighted for afew minutes and then it would go away real quick and would only happen right after i took a pill. that side effect has stopped and now all i get is the numb tongue, again right after i take a pill and just for a few minutes. it has also seemed to help me sexually but I wont go into that (grin)… any way i have 2 questions and I know the answer is that I shouldnt, but we all know that in reality shouldnt doesnt always work, oh and then i have a 3rd question too… -whats the thoghts about doing ectasy (the dance drug) on wellbutrin

wellbutrin is probably one of the worst ADs to try it with because it lowers your seizure threshold. -is it ok to have one drink once in a while?

my doc said occasional drinking would be okay.  be sure and check your reaction to alcohol when you don’t have to drive.  the meds can increase the alcohol’s effect two-fold. -i am feelign side effects but when i do *I* feel BETTER?

i’ve taken wellbutrin for the past 2 years.  the side effects generally go away after 4-6 weeks.  it took about 12 weeks before i felt better. hope this helps. — Wohali "Those who are enjoying something, or suffering something together, are companions." –C.S. Lewis

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Has it ever occurred to you that this might be the cause you need professional help? Does your doctor know you are so stupid to ingest that brain corrosion? I don’t know, but if you change one entire life of health for some euphoric moments at your local antro, I do not thing you have even the right to complain or ask anyone to fix you afterwords.

ummm…are you *sure* you’re not a troll, teilhard? sarah. — but my faith in love is still devout

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  -whats the thoghts about doing ectasy (the dance drug) Has it ever occurred to you that this might be the cause you need professional help? Does your doctor know you are so stupid to ingest that brain corrosion? I don’t know, but if you change one entire life of health for some euphoric moments at your local antro, I do not thing you have even the right to complain or ask anyone to fix you afterwords. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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As far as alchohol, I was on Wellbutrin for a while and drank with no problems, That’s not saying "you" won’t, as far ecstacy I would’nt even think of mixing the two. ecstacy is a generic name and there a no two pills that are exactly the same. You might take it one day and everthing is fine and the next day you take one from another source and BINGO! an additive in the drug you just took is deadly when mixed with Wellbutrin. Just my point of view. Man in a Shed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok so my doctor put me on Wellbutrin and I have been on it a few days. at first when i took it i would a little lighted for afew minutes and then it would go away real quick and would only happen right after i took a pill. that side effect has stopped and now all i get is the numb tongue, again right after i take a pill and just for a few minutes. it has also seemed to help me sexually but I wont go into that (grin)… any way i have 2 questions and I know the answer is that I shouldnt, but we all know that in reality shouldnt doesnt always work, oh and then i have a 3rd question too… -whats the thoghts about doing ectasy (the dance drug) on wellbutrin -is it ok to have one drink once in a while? -i am feelign side effects but when i do *I* feel BETTER?

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ok so my doctor put me on Wellbutrin and I have been on it a few days. at first when i took it i would a little lighted for afew minutes and then it would go away real quick and would only happen right after i took a pill. that side effect has stopped and now all i get is the numb tongue, again right after i take a pill and just for a few minutes. it has also seemed to help me sexually but I wont go into that (grin)… any way i have 2 questions and I know the answer is that I shouldnt, but we all know that in reality shouldnt doesnt always work, oh and then i have a 3rd question too… -whats the thoghts about doing ectasy (the dance drug) on wellbutrin -is it ok to have one drink once in a while? -i am feelign side effects but when i do *I* feel BETTER?

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yes….I have been quicker to anger…on Wellbutrin…..& alot more snippy with everyone…but my deep, gallows depression is now lighter & more manageable…..look out for mild rashes, tho’……buy some Lanacane ™ or Benadryl cream(tm)….to soothe yourself…. Rice

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Hi all. I am currently taking 150 mg of Wellbutrin for my depression. Question: Did anyone that took it experience drastic changes in mood? This happens to me all the time for some reason. One day I will be happy, the next day I am so down it’s pathetic. Does this type of medication do this to a person? I neverread any sort of side effects like that. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. Thank you. Keith

Hi Keith, I’m on wellbutrin but I’ve always had mood swings. It’s been a long time since I felt "happiness". But I have started experiencing anger, which is completely out of character for me.  I seem to be expressing emotions greater than before.   That may make no sense at all but it’s just my experience so far. — Eeyore Moo

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Hi all. I am currently taking 150 mg of Wellbutrin for my depression. Question: Did anyone that took it experience drastic changes in mood? This happens to me all the time for some reason. One day I will be happy, the next day I am so down it’s pathetic. Does this type of medication do this to a person? I neverread any sort of side effects like that. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. Thank you. Keith

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SchuylerXX, Did you have blood tests that showed the need for the thyroid medication?  Maybe the thyroid problem is a seperate issue from the treatment with Wellbutrin.  Or maybe the wellbutrin effected your thyroid.  It should show up on the correct set of thyroid blood tests. Medication is a very individual affair for sure. CarolR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son’s wife would like to know if any of you have information from your personal experiences about the long-term affects of Wellbutrin. I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems). Feel free to e-mail me about this. Good luck! Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"              — Emily Dickinson

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My son’s wife would like to know if any of you have information from your personal experiences about the long-term affects of Wellbutrin.

I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems). Feel free to e-mail me about this. Good luck! Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"              — Emily Dickinson

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My son’s wife would like to know if any of you have information from your personal experiences about the long-term affects of Wellbutrin. She’s tried lots of meds and is hoping this one works.  Unfortunately she is not online so I’ve been checking out this newsgroup in the hopes of offering her some suggestions.  Thanks for your help!  Alyce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SchuylerXX, Did you have blood tests that showed the need for the thyroid medication?  Maybe the thyroid problem is a seperate issue from the treatment with Wellbutrin.  Or maybe the wellbutrin effected your thyroid.  It should show up on the correct set of thyroid blood tests. I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems).

Dear Carol, My thyroid was normal before and after I started taking Wellbutrin. I take Cytomel only to augment the Wellbutrin. Thanks for asking. P.S. I know, I know: I’m supposed to have left! But I’ll look in *occasionally*.                            ;-) Sincerely, Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"              — Emily Dickinson

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 My P-doc started me on 25mcg. with my 300mg. of Wellbutrin. I haven’t been suicidal since.  When it kicked in I felt like I did years ago. Connie SchuylerXX wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SchuylerXX, Did you have blood tests that showed the need for the thyroid medication?  Maybe the thyroid problem is a seperate issue from the treatment with Wellbutrin.  Or maybe the wellbutrin effected your thyroid.  It should show up on the correct set of thyroid blood tests. I have taken Wellbutrin for 6-7 years, since it first came out, and it has helped me a lot, but still left something to be desired. A year-and-a-half ago, a psychiatrist talked me into trying Cytomel, a thyroid drug, to augment the Wellbutrin, and it has been a big improvement! I now take 100 mg of Wellbutrin, twice a day, (more than that made me too sensitive to loud noises), and 25 mcg (micrograms) of Cytomel. My doc started me on 50 mcg of Cytomel, but it made me anxious and hyper. (I’m very sensitive to some drugs). I don’t believe that you’ll find Cytomel listed in the reference books as a drug to augment Wellbutrin, but many psychiatrists know about this combination, and your doctor should be able to get the necessary info if he or she calls a specialist or two in psychpharmacology (drugs for psychological problems). Dear Carol, My thyroid was normal before and after I started taking Wellbutrin. I take Cytomel only to augment the Wellbutrin. Thanks for asking. P.S. I know, I know: I’m supposed to have left! But I’ll look in *occasionally*.                           Sincerely, Schuyler "This is my letter to the World…"             — Emily Dickinson

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[posted and emailed] i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

with those symptoms, call the pdoc immediately and discontinue it  - you’re like me when i was taking it…… "Dark Prism" – My personality refracts darkly through the serotonigenic spectrum. "There is no dark side of the moon.  As a matter of fact, it’s all dark." Thomas A. Ott — ottthoma (at) pipeline.com – [3 t's in ottthoma!!!] http://www.geocities.com/~ottthoma — main site http://www.geocities.com/~ottthoma/depression/index.html—– depression site http://www.geocities.com/~ottthoma/depression/sjw.html —— st. john’s wort stuff

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Need more info? -300 mg/day of the slow release stuff gives me severe stomache aches once or twice a week. -sometimes it makes me anxious -and other times does nothing for me i.e. (spent all of last night slashing my wrist) — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite = and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

Everything I’ve heard says few people have side effects and most of them are very minor. I, on the other hand, hallucinated, could not sleep, had the shakes so bad I could barely hold a glass, etc….. YMMV — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc. You can chew them up and swish around in your mouth.  Swallow. Now your whole mouth and throat will be numb.  Pretty neat huh?  Other than the recreational distraction this phenomenon offered, I got nothing out of Wellbutrin.  I had to take a few milligrams of Xanax with them just to keep from going CRRAAZZYYYY.  Whoops…too late.  Shit. I’ve been on Wellbutrin for a month now and have found myself with a few

side effects.  I have found myslef more aggressive, I’m usually a quiet, shy person. Have extreme trouble sleeping, only getting two or three hours a night and no naps during the day.  It has given me energy, to much at times.  Made me feel real great the first week or two but now the good effects aren’t as strong. My Doc says if I can’t start getting some sleep he will give me some sleeping pills, just what I need another pill. Madmax, "Life’s a bitch then you Die"

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I’ve tried Zoloft, Prozac, Effexor, and am now upping my Wellbutin dosage while easing off with the Effexor.  I’m also on lithobid to boost the antidepressant effect and Buspar to cut anxiety.  When I first increased the Wellbutrin dosage it gave me some good effects, but I had bad mood swings pretty soon after. I’ve been fooling around with meds for four years with one break of a few months and still haven’t found a combination that truly works. Wellbutrin hasn’t given me many bad side effects…..  Upping the Effexor made me gain weight so fast I got stretch marks.  I also had dry mouth, constipation, spacy or tired feelings, occasional dizziness, and an increased heart rate.  I don’t have any of that with Wellbutrin.  At first I had some nausea especially when my blood sugar got low, but that’s worn off.  Never tried the crunching and swishing technique:  I think I can skip a numb mouth, and anyway my pills are big ones.                                          Another pill popper,    KaraG

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc. You can chew them up and swish around in your mouth.  Swallow. Now your whole mouth and throat will be numb.  Pretty neat huh?  Other than the recreational distraction this phenomenon offered, I got nothing out of Wellbutrin.  I had to take a few milligrams of Xanax with them just to keep from going CRRAAZZYYYY.  Whoops…too late.  Shit.

Taken in prescribed dosage did absolutely nothing for me.  Taking 80 in a period of 2 hours made me sick and I was quite pissed when I woke up alive. Hexe

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Funny you should mention . . . . Wellbutrin .  Not good for me – all I did was cry and cry ALL day.  Alot of pain in my ears – was greatly relieved to go off – switched back to Zoloft, which has a few side effects I don’t like, but I can stay alive with.

Coming off Zoloft made me cry all day WITHOUT taking wellbutrin.  Are you sure it was WB and not Zoloft comedown.  When I come off SSRIs I get all teary and sappy.  I know it’s different than returning depression, because when depressed I couldn’t cry to save my life. "Time never started at all.  Chaos never died.    The Empire was never founded.  We are not  now & never have been slaves to the past or  hostages to the future,"                           Hakim Bey

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

You can chew them up and swish around in your mouth.  Swallow. Now your whole mouth and throat will be numb.  Pretty neat huh?  Other than the recreational distraction this phenomenon offered, I got nothing out of Wellbutrin.  I had to take a few milligrams of Xanax with them just to keep from going CRRAAZZYYYY.  Whoops…too late.  Shit. "Time never started at all.  Chaos never died.    The Empire was never founded.  We are not  now & never have been slaves to the past or  hostages to the future,"                           Hakim Bey

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Hi:  I’m interested in getting some information from others on their experiences with different medications.  I was diagnosed in August and prescribed Zoloft – 50 mg daily.  Three weeks ago I saw my doctor and told her that I wanted to change medication, as the Zoloft was just not doing anything.  She switched me to Prozak 20mg daily.  I feel worse now than on the Zoloft.  No real side effects – just blank.  I’d love to have a positive feeling about something, anything; just a positive feeling of any kind.  I’ve found that on the Prozak I tend to have occasional feelings of deep sadness, for no reason – like after I go to the grocery store.  I don’t remember having those on Zoloft.  Anybody have any experiences to share?  How many of you have been switched around on medications, before anything worked for you? Thanks for your input. Susan

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

Funny you should mention . . . . Wellbutrin .  Not good for me – all I did was cry and cry ALL day.  Alot of pain in my ears – was greatly relieved to go off – switched back to Zoloft, which has a few side effects I don’t like, but I can stay alive with.

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i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

same here….and within a few days i always woke up nauseated but eating usually (but not always) helped…. interesting tho…i ate a lot….but i never gained any weight…. caer <who is off wellbutrin now and really depressed and god help you if you are a phoenix and you dare rise up from the ash a thousand eyes will smolder with jealousy while you are just flying back                                    -ani difranco

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i’m lookig for AS MUCH information/ stories / anecdotes / yada yada on the Wellbutrin pill. i started it and within days i had an incredible increase in appetite and violent tendencies, abrupt yelling, etc.

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Do you think you are still experiencing depression and/or anxiety. I’m not a doctor and agree you should report these symptoms to your MD. I’m aware that emotions like stress and anxiety often manifest themselves as physical symptoms such as the ones you describe. I’ve been taking wellbutrin for some time now. Currently I’m 6 weeks or so into stopping tranquilizers which I’d been prescribed for 14 years. Because of this it’s difficult to know what exactly, and in what proportion, to attribute my moods, however, despite the wellbutrin I still feel depressed and anxious. I’m quite sure the wellbutrin is keeping me from the devastating levels of depression which we’re all to familiar with. I know I’m running on but just wanted to share my experiences with you. Keep up the fight! CG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you. You’re supposed to report chest pains to the prescribing physician. Right away, no delay.

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it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you.

You’re supposed to report chest pains to the prescribing physician. Right away, no delay.

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No chest pains for me, but I definitely have the mood swings. More correctly, I have occasional, *intense* emotions at each end of the spectrum. I can be REALLY motivated, or I can be a presure-cooker ready to explode. Stil, W’s been the best AD for me so far. I tried Zoloft (did nothing for me) and Paxil (worked for me for only two weeks before ‘pooping out’ on me. I’m also on Buspar for anxiety. Hope that helps. Owl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all. I am currently taking 350 mg of Wellbutrin. One pill in the morning, one pill at night. What does everyone think about this drug? I have been taking it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you. Keith

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Hi all. I am currently taking 350 mg of Wellbutrin. One pill in the morning, one pill at night. What does everyone think about this drug? I have been taking it for quite a while now but I experience bad mood swings and my chest is always hurting me, like burning or something. Is this supposed to be a side effect or it could be anxiety? I have no idea. I need some insight. Any help at all will be appreciated, thank you. Keith

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Hi, there, I’ve taken Wellbutrin and it worked for a while but (like w/every other med) I had to keep increasing dose. Going higher than 450mg/day is NOT allowed. Also, be careful re: the 6-8 space between doses.  Any shorter time lapse can be harmful (possibly seizures could occur). Talk to your Dr. about this not working at this dose and I wish you good health. Cece CelestialSurvivor "There are no problems,  they are only  solutions that haven’t been found yet"  :me "Somedays you get the elevator,  somedays you get the shaft." :someone else

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For years I had taken Prozac and approximately 6-8 months ago I fell into deep depression.  At the recomendation of my doctor he suggested that I go to a psychiatrist.  I fought this for awhile and then decided it was do something or die.  The doctor changed my medicing to zoloft which I could not take then to Wellbutrin.  He started me on 150mg a day changed it to 150mg twice a day atleast eight hours apart.  It has helped greatly but I still have a prssimistic outlook and cry at the bat of a hat.  He is going to up my dosage again to 400mg a day.  If this does no improve my condition he will try adding (possible) a small amount of prozac along with the Wellbutrin.  All this to say that there are a lot of different ways to work with these medication.  Find you a good doctor who is schooled in the use of these drugs.  There is help.

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that it is working well. Does somebody have experience with this drug and what is a suitable alternative and dosage. Commments appreciatied… -=Patrick=-

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Sadly, Joyce

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!!

Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

I agree with Gary.  If you can’t bear the side effects, then your doc needs to change or adjust your medication.  I had much less of a side effect on Zoloft, but it was still unacceptable to me and my doc took me off. Iris —

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I agree with Gary that you should report it asap to your doc, just in case.  I too take 20mg daily and had some slight "chills" and a general feeling of "spaciness."  Many on Paxil appreciate its overall effect, but need to take Xanax or another of its type to help ease the numerous, but mostly minor side effects.  I find the need for Xanax diminishes as time goes on (of course your mileage may vary – YMMV).  I can’t answer your question as to whether or not your tremors will cease. From my own experience, the side effects diminish to tolerable levels and then "plateau."  Others on this ng have had the opposite experience and they had to cease taking Paxil.  See your doc, & give it some time if the doc determines the tremors do not represent a serious situation.  Inquire about the Xanax.  I have found Paxil to be wonderfully effective but not a panacea.  Let us know what happens!  :-)     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life.

Joyce, I think you should report this to your doctor immediately. Did you have a problem with trembling before taking Paxil? — Gary Cooper

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The following link is with a collection of links about poisonous plants: http://www.ScienceOxygen.com/botany95.html It does not provide any answer directly. But you might start from there to check the associated information.

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Hi All, I have been paging through the various seed catalogs and have seen a wide variety of flowers I’d love to grow.  I have been disappointed in many cases when I saw that Thompson & Morgan listed them as "poisonous".

Don’t be disappointed, it’s a fact that many plants are poisonous, and T&M are simply helping remind the reader of the fact. Two or three seeds of Ricinus can kill a child if eaten, and Aconitum plant fluids are very deadly, as may be the seeds as well. On the other hand, it would take eating a lot of Datura to kill anybody. Most of the buttercup family are fairly poisonous (Aconites, Ranunculus, Trollius, etc.). There are so many plants that are poisonous, though fewer are quickly fatal at small dosages, that it is not really feasible to eliminate them from one’s garden. I would avoid planting Castor beans and Aconites around children’s playgrounds, though, especially, and perhaps some other plants. It is generally wise to teach all children never to put any plants in their mouths. When I was a kid I remember sucking on honeysuckles and stuff we called ’sourgrass’ and lots of other things, with no ill effects. But kids may experiment beyond what local lore has as ‘edible’. Sucking the juice out of the friendly looking Lily of the Valley can be deadly.

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I have been paging through the various seed catalogs and have seen a wide variety of flowers I’d love to grow.  I have been disappointed in many cases when I saw that Thompson & Morgan listed them as "poisonous". This is the case for datura, sweet peas, four o’ clocks, many varieties of nicotiana and others.  Other catalogs (Burpees, Select Seeds, WFF) do not give a similar warning for many of the flowers.  I’m not a toxicologist and have no way of knowing how "poisonous" these plants are. Can anyone shed some light on this subject?

Steve, When a plant is labeled as poisonous, the level of toxicity may not be known.  The range could be anything from deadly to just causing a mild rash. The toxicity of the plant should be considered in two major areas. The first deals with children and animals.  If you have children, they may come in contact, or even ingest, the plants in your garden.  The same is true for pets or farm animals.  The presence of poisonous plants needs to be considered. The second area of concern deals with the gardener’s safety.  Direct contact with the plants may cause negative effects.  Taking precautions like long sleeves and gloves may be all it takes.  The warning of being poisonous in the catalog may be just a flag for you to be careful. If toxicity is a concern before you buy, check out exactly what level of poisoning your dealing with on the plants and flowers you are considering.   For a general guide to toxicity of plants, check out "Take Care With Plants" at –          http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/poison_control/plants.html This is part of the internet edition The Poison Center Answer Book prepared by the University of California, Davis, Medical Center (UCDMC) Regional Poison Control Center. Hope this helps.  Good luck with your garden. Marc

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Hi All, I have been paging through the various seed catalogs and have seen a wide variety of flowers I’d love to grow.  I have been disappointed in many cases when I saw that Thompson & Morgan listed them as "poisonous". This is the case for datura, sweet peas, four o’ clocks, many varieties of nicotiana and others.  Other catalogs (Burpees, Select Seeds, WFF) do not give a similar warning for many of the flowers.  I’m not a toxicologist and have no way of knowing how "poisonous" these plants are. Can anyone shed some light on this subject? Steve Cook Macungie, PA USDA

Many of the plants referred to as ‘poisonous’ are not very toxic. Some, like holly or mistletoe, will cause a mild stomach ache or the like.  Those plants that are very toxic should be considered carefully.  It is confusing when many varieties of plants are categorized as being toxic or poisonous when most of them aren’t really poisonous enough to be of any consequence.  If you have any doubt, ask a nurseryman in your area for advice.  For reference some common plants which are highly toxic are as follows:         Dieffenbachia         Oleander         Rhubarb (green parts of leaves)         Digitalis (foxgloves)         some cacti         most Solanum sp.         Datura (angel’s trumpets)         You should also consider that many plants with milky sap are also very toxic, as are the pits of many fruits (cyanide).  Even the rinds of some fruits like passion fruit have been found to be toxic enough for consideration.  Likewise, some plants often listed as poisonous, but not much so are as follows:         Philodendron         Grasses         Ficus

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Hi All, I have been paging through the various seed catalogs and have seen a wide variety of flowers I’d love to grow.  I have been disappointed in many cases when I saw that Thompson & Morgan listed them as "poisonous". This is the case for datura, sweet peas, four o’ clocks, many varieties of nicotiana and others.  Other catalogs (Burpees, Select Seeds, WFF) do not give a similar warning for many of the flowers.  I’m not a toxicologist and have no way of knowing how "poisonous" these plants are. Can anyone shed some light on this subject?

Hi Steve, The warning of poisonous in your T&M catalogue is merely a courtesy, most catalogues don’t bother. Datura is a hallucinogenic (sp?), nicotanias contain nicotine and so on. (Although I’m curious about the sweet peas, I’ve never heard there was a problem with them) Don’t let the warning deter you from planting these plants. Most garden plants are only poisonous if they are eaten, not by handling. Even edible plants can be poisonous if not used correctly, for example, more that one tablespoon of fresh rosemary leaves can cause a toxic reaction in an adult human and rhubard *leaves* (not stalks) can cause internal bleeding, severe stomach cramps and poisoning. Some plants can kill, some can make you very sick, while others are perfectly safe. The only time you need to truly worry about this is when very young children will be in and around plantings. Children are very likely to put leaves and flowers into their mouths. Small children should never be left unattended in a garden where the possibility of poison exist. (Actually the period in that last sentence should probably fall after the word ‘garden’.) There are several books that refer to the toxicity of plants, unfortunately I don’t have any references for you, perhaps someone else will. The rule for anyone though is: never, *never*, NEVER eat from a plant, in the garden or the wild, unless you know exactly what it is and whether it is safe. But Steve, don’t let the poisonous label deter you from planting the flowers in your garden unless you have the above-mentioned small children. If you do, check out the edible flower thread that is currently going on. You can get some suggestions for ’safe’ plants there. Hope this helps Marianne — As soon as I have something important to say, I’ll put it here.

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I have been paging through the various seed catalogs and have seen a wide variety of flowers I’d love to grow.  I have been disappointed in many cases when I saw that Thompson & Morgan listed them as "poisonous". This is the case for datura, sweet peas, four o’ clocks, many varieties of nicotiana and others.  Other catalogs (Burpees, Select Seeds, WFF) do not give a similar warning for many of the flowers.  I’m not a toxicologist and have no way of knowing how "poisonous" these plants are. Can anyone shed some light on this subject?

The real question is whether it matters to you that the plants are poisonous. I guess the seed companies are just trying to protect themselves from dorks who try to sue them ("I added those Sweet Pea seeds to soup and they poisoned me – it’s your fault!"). There are few if any species which will harm you unless you actually eat the seeds or plant, and unless the plant actually looks attractive to eat, this is most unlikely (with the attractive berries of Deadly Nightshade – Atropa belladonna being an exception). So long as *you* aren’t going to eat the plant, and you are satisfied that young children won’t, then there’s little to worry about. I guess I didn’t answer your question of *how* poisonous they are! In the case of the deadly nightshade – very! I’d guess the Sweet Pea seeds are like many other dried pulses (peas/beans) that you can buy to eat – not good for you unless soaked and boiled. Nicotiana – they make cigarettes out of it. Datura – well discussed in recent threads, but a very attractive plant. I don’t know about Four o’clock – Mirabilis jalapa, except that I’ve seen the ‘poisonous’ notices on it too. — Clarke Brunt (CCB), Principal Software Engineer, Laser-Scan Ltd, Science Park, Milton Rd, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 4FY, England. Tel: (+44) (0)1223 420414; Fax: 420044

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Hi All, I have been paging through the various seed catalogs and have seen a wide variety of flowers I’d love to grow.  I have been disappointed in many cases when I saw that Thompson & Morgan listed them as "poisonous". This is the case for datura, sweet peas, four o’ clocks, many varieties of nicotiana and others.  Other catalogs (Burpees, Select Seeds, WFF) do not give a similar warning for many of the flowers.  I’m not a toxicologist and have no way of knowing how "poisonous" these plants are. Can anyone shed some light on this subject? Steve Cook Macungie, PA USDA Z6 — * Air Products and Chemicals, Inc.          Tel. (610) 481-2135     * * 7201 Hamilton Blvd.                       FAX  (610) 481-8803     * * Allentown, PA 18195                                               * * USA                                                               * *             Emacs – the choice of a GNU generation                * * Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are those of the author.  * *             Any resemblance between my opinions and those of Air  * *             Products is purely coincidental…                    *

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