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Okay so I am on the last part of a prednisone taper.  After three days at the beginning, I was feeling pretty good (other than the side effects from the stuff)… I was off my albuterol and Robitussin and just taking the Flovent and Serevent.  Then Saturday I woke up with a nasty loose congestion in my chest and I have been coughing it up ever since.   To top it all off, my back hurts incredibly and I am dizzy a lot.   My peak flows (which were getting better) seem to be dropping again.  I took my albuterol this afternoon and I thought I was going to pass out. Need some input… Do I just have a cold?  Does it sound like something more?  I am so fuzzy headed I just can’t figure this out… Marina

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: Okay so I am on the last part of a prednisone taper.  After three days : at the beginning, I was feeling pretty good (other than the side effects : from the stuff)… I was off my albuterol and Robitussin and just taking : the Flovent and Serevent.  Then Saturday I woke up with a nasty loose : congestion in my chest and I have been coughing it up ever since.   To : top it all off, my back hurts incredibly and I am dizzy a lot.   My peak : flows (which were getting better) seem to be dropping again.  I took my : albuterol this afternoon and I thought I was going to pass out. : : Need some input… Do I just have a cold?  Does it sound like something : more?  I am so fuzzy headed I just can’t figure this out… Sounds like you need to call your doctor. — Gordon    W5RED

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Okay so I am on the last part of a prednisone taper.  After three days at the beginning, I was feeling pretty good (other than the side effects from the stuff)… I was off my albuterol and Robitussin and just taking the Flovent and Serevent.  Then Saturday I woke up with a nasty loose congestion in my chest and I have been coughing it up ever since.   To top it all off, my back hurts incredibly and I am dizzy a lot.   My peak flows (which were getting better) seem to be dropping again.  I took my albuterol this afternoon and I thought I was going to pass out. Need some input… Do I just have a cold?  Does it sound like something more?  I am so fuzzy headed I just can’t figure this out… Marina

It sounds like Acute Bronchitis. This can take a few weeks to recover from, sometimes 6-8 weeks. See: http://www.njc.org/medfacts/uri.html  URI (Colds) &  Acute Bronchitis http://home.aafp.org/afp/980315ap/hueston.html  Acute Bronchitis AAFP Ellis

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It seems like all the doctors are the same way with where they put the blame. As far as they see it, the meds don’t have any bad effects. My doctor is that way.

Get a new doctor. Chris Owens

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Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago.  Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately).  Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times.  I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase.  What a drag!  Have you experienced any muscle weakness?  My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine.

Steroid use can cause upper limb weakness, both legs and arms.  I lift weights and take potassium and calcium suppliments to counter this. Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day.  I am having terrible cramping as of late.  I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects.  Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements.  I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods.  I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day.  Any ideas will be appreciated.  Lisa N

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Hello-   your dose of flovent is VERY SMALL. I doubt it would cause those problems. Most of us complaining/talking about it are on 220, at least twice a day, sometimes four. Remember to use a spacer and rinse/garble your mouth out well after you take it, it can never hurt. -jenny I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day.  I am having terrible cramping as of late.  I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects.  Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements.  I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods.  I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day.  Any ideas will be appreciated.  Lisa N

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Yes I have noticed muscle weakness!!  I am going back to 2 puffs of Flovent, and like I said, I have cut out Serevent. I have just added Intal also, which I hope will help.  My doctor does the same thing, but enough people here have written about all these side effects to prove to me it is the medicine. I have NEVER had cramps and muscle weakness in my life, I am 32 and healthy otherwise.  And I have had all the strange symptoms for the past 8 months, the exact amount of time I was put on all these asthma drugs. So that is my proof.  I am hoping to get some good results from the Intal so I can reduce the Flovent and maybe get off of it all together.  So you aren’t alone, your symptoms go along with my theory anyway. Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago.  Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately).  Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times.  I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase.  What a drag!  Have you experienced any muscle weakness?  My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day.  I am having terrible cramping as of late.  I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects.  Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements.  I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods.  I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day.  Any ideas will be appreciated.  Lisa N

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It seems like all the doctors are the same way with where they put the blame. As far as they see it, the meds don’t have any bad effects. My doctor is that way. But even though he thinks that way, I got my second VERY BAD cramp in my calf last night while I was sleeping. This is the second one since I started Flovent and Serevent. (And I have only had one other leg cramp in my life 5 years ago) Something has to give. Shannon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago.  Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately).  Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times.  I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase.  What a drag!  Have you experienced any muscle weakness?  My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day.  I am having terrible cramping as of late.  I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects.  Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements.  I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods.  I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day.  Any ideas will be appreciated.  Lisa N

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I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day.  I am having terrible cramping as of late.  I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects.  Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements.  I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods.  I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day.  Any ideas will be appreciated.  Lisa N

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Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago.  Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately).  Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times.  I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase.  What a drag!  Have you experienced any muscle weakness?  My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day.  I am having terrible cramping as of late.  I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects.  Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements.  I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods.  I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day.  Any ideas will be appreciated.  Lisa N

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I’m new to this news group. I’ve been diagnoses with severe ocd. I’m just hoping to connect with some others that have this problem. I am a counselor but you know it’s easier for me to help others than it is for me to help myself. I’ve struggled and studied this for a long time so hopefully I will have useful information for y’all as well. Staggy

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I’m new to this news group. I’ve been diagnoses with severe ocd. I’m just hoping to connect with some others that have this problem. I am a counselor but you know it’s easier for me to help others than it is for me to help myself. I’ve struggled and studied this for a long time so hopefully I will have useful information for y’all as well. Staggy

Hi Staggy, I too find it easier to dish out advise then to "help myself". Anyway, I am looking forward to your posts. Lain — Warning: Be careful of the right side.

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Lain –   My ocd is mostly what they would refer to as a "pure obsessional". I don’t have much of the compulsions that are typical of ocd. "Fear" of future events is really hard for me. It keeps me isolated. I spent a month in a day hospital during october which did help but I have a lot of work left to do. The cure is worse than the disease itself. Staggy

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I’m new to this news group. I’ve been diagnoses with severe ocd. I’m just hoping to connect with some others that have this problem. I am a counselor but you know it’s easier for me to help others than it is for me to help myself. I’ve struggled and studied this for a long time so hopefully I will have useful information for y’all as well. Staggy

Hello Staggy Welcome to the group! Sounds like you’ve come to the right place. Dr Zorg

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The cure is worse than the disease itself. Staggy

Yes, "seems" like the is no light at the end of this tunnel. Lain — Warning: Be careful of the right side.

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  My ocd is mostly what they would refer

to as a "pure obsessional". I don’t have

much of the compulsions that are typical

of ocd. "Fear" of future events is really

hard for me. It keeps me isolated.

Copied from a post I wrote a few weeks ago –

‘FWIW, most people who claim to be ‘pure obsessionals’ or to have ‘pure o’ OCD, in fact perform mental compulsions. Which is good news, in a way, cos it was previously believed that people with just obsessions (people with ‘pure o’ OCD) were more difficult to treat because there were no compulsions to deal with. Most experts now see the concept of ‘pure o’ OCD as outdated and not useful for proper treatment as more has been learned about mental compulsions. Now, people who were once labelled as ‘pure o’ and thus ‘difficult to treat’ are seen as just as treatable as people with ‘regular’ OCD.’ I would add that it could be that isolating yourself is a form of OCD avoidance, which is very typical OCD behaviour.  

The cure is worse than the disease itself.

In some cases, yes. In many cases it’s the belief that the treatment is worse than the OCD that is the culprit. There are many studies that show that people with OCD devalue their ability to cope with ‘bad’ experiences, much more than people without OCD. Couple that with tendencies for people with OCD to exaggerate risk, catastrophize and to dwell on the negative, it’s no wonder many people with OCD do not do CBT. — ARQ Add a dot on each side of the ‘r’ in my name and a ‘c’ in front of lara to email me.

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I drove an ambulance for 15 years and I’ve worked in a hospital for most of my adult life but I don’t want to delude you into thinking I’m a DOCTOR or anything. I also find it easier to help others than to help myself. I’ve been on this group for over for over 5 years and have gotten a lot of useful information from this group. I also find the moral support encouraging. I’ve was diagnosed with OCD & depression 12 years ago (have had it longer). I’ve taken Pamalor, Prozac, Paxil, Celexa, & some others with varying results. SOme were pretty good (like Pamalor and Paxil) but I didn’t like the side effects. I’m currently on Zoloft and Tegretol and I am going to stop the Zoloft (gives me diarrhea & makes me anxious) and try Luvox starting tomorrow. Welcome. NK PS- I would be careful about using your real name on usenet. Too many psychos. "Micky Stagemeyer" <sta…@charter.net

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I’m new to this news group. I’ve been diagnoses with severe ocd. I’m just hoping to connect with some others that have this problem. I am a counselor but you know it’s easier for me to help others than it is for me to help myself. I’ve struggled and studied this for a long time so hopefully I will have useful information for y’all as well. Staggy

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Hi NK,         It is a known fact that diarrhea is a side effect of Zoloft. However, my experience is that you have less risk of it if you take it with a full stomach.  Also, thank you for letting me pick your brain about my current situation. JP

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Effexor Withdrawal Causing Crackling Sounds in the Brain Antidepressants  "Thank God for this website." I had a nervous breakdown six years ago and after being on other

anti-depressants without a problem, my psychiatrist felt that Effexor had less of an effect on the heart, and so switched me to Effexor. I have tried unsuccessfully to quit on many

occasions, even though I only take 37.5 mgs per day. The extreme lethargy I feel when I have tried to quit, the tingling in various parts of my body, the weird dreams and most

troublesome of all, the crackling, electric sounds in my head have caused me too much distress to ever be successful.

Hi, I think that you have to think about all these  side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Effexor Withdrawal Causing Crackling Sounds in the Brain Antidepressants  "Thank God for this website." I had a nervous breakdown six years ago and after being on other  anti-depressants without a problem, my psychiatrist felt that Effexor had less of an effect on the  heart, and so switched me to Effexor. I have tried unsuccessfully to quit on many  occasions, even though I only take 37.5 mgs per day. The extreme lethargy I feel when I have  tried to quit, the tingling in various parts of my body, the weird dreams and most  troublesome of all, the crackling, electric sounds in my head have caused me too much distress to  ever be successful. Hi, I think that you have to think about all these  side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B

I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? Berty

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The philosopher Voltaire was known to have consumed over 50 cups of coffee a day which came as a surprise to readers of Voltaire such as Nikola Tesla, the electrical engineer and inventor.  The French mathematician, Poincare, said one his mathematical advances came as the direct result of drinking a single cup of black coffee.  Caffeine is a known weak central nervous system stimulant – alerting agent – and it has been extensively studied at different medical schools and universities around the world.  Caffeine is known to increase alertness, energy, and the ability to concentrate in some people (not all). Source:  http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/chemtech/99/jul/negli.html In the midst of my recent efforts to have my daughter and myself assessed for ADD, my new partner and I attended a CHADD meeting. There was a presentation given on diagnosing adults by the woman who had recently assessed me. My partner suddenly began to wonder if he might have it and said he should get assessed.  As the meeting was breaking up and right in front of the presenter I asked him, "So you really think you may have ADD?" "Well, not as bad as you do." he said. "Perhaps if you didn’t drink so much coffee, you might think differently." The presenter pointed out, as I already knew, that some people self-medicate with caffeine. Then a couple of days later I asked my partner just how much coffee he consumes in a average day, because I knew he drank a lot, but I had no idea how much. He told me that he drinks an average of 20-22 mugs of coffee each day! I was shocked!  I have scoured the net for info on long-term health effects of consuming that much caffeine and there is none.  I don’t think anyone else drinks that much coffee…certainly no one that has been part of any study,  Excessive intake is said to be about 10 cups and he drinks twice that!  There are only long-term studies on people consuming up to 650 mg of caffeine per day (about 6 cups) and there are potential serious effects on that.  The so-called toxic dose is 10,000 mg (about 100 cups of coffee).  Even so, my partner is consuming what would be considered an "overdose"…and then some! His hands tremor, but otherwise, he is suffering no apparent ill effects.  I worry about ulcers and heart irregularities.  He has only been drinking this much for about the last year, since he quit drinking alcohol. I now have no doubts that he’s self-medicating undiagnosed ADD and I want him to get assessed.  I managed to convince him to cut back to 10 cups a day and gradually to 5 for the sake of his health. So far, so good. Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently?

I used to drink a lot of coffee. I worked good with my ADD my irritated my aniexty something fierce. I was edgy and parinoid and my my hair trigger temper would go off without warning. I was such a joy to be around . But I love coffee so I switched to decaf. Who says you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Dami

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For years I’ve happily consumed large quantities of coffee — 32oz on the way to work, several 20oz during the day, then more at night, never kept me up. Never occured to me it might be "self-medicating", I just thought it was a relatively harmless addiction that seemed to help me get down to business. Is this true of depression, anxiety disorders, or BPD, or is it mainly ADD? – Jeff Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently? I used to drink a lot of coffee. I worked good with my ADD my irritated my aniexty something fierce. I was edgy and parinoid and my my hair trigger temper would go off without warning. I was such a joy to be around . But I love coffee so I switched to decaf. Who says you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

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For years I’ve happily consumed large quantities of coffee — 32oz on the way to work, several 20oz during the day, then more at night, never kept me up. Never occured to me it might be "self-medicating", I just thought it was a relatively harmless addiction that seemed to help me get down to business. Is this true of depression, anxiety disorders, or BPD, or is it mainly ADD?

Although, I don’t know for sure, it think it’s mainly ADD. Since caffine is a stimulant and gives you that extra kick in the butt that helps. I remember during some of my caffinated days, I would drink a large iced coffee and clean the whole house. Housecleaning is very difficult for me. My mom was, and is, the same way. She was never diagnosed with ADD but she has all the symptoms, but shes worse than me but that’s another story. I’m not sure if caffine helps depression I have that too but it never seemd to make a difference with me. Anxiety I’m sure it dosen’t help since caffine is a form of amphetmine and as I’ve found personally after long usage it was very bad for my anxiety so I had to stop. Dami – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently? I used to drink a lot of coffee. I worked good with my ADD my irritated my aniexty something fierce. I was edgy and parinoid and my my hair trigger temper would go off without warning. I was such a joy to be around . But I love coffee so I switched to decaf. Who says you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

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The philosopher Voltaire was known to have consumed over 50 cups of coffee a day which came as a surprise to readers of Voltaire such as Nikola Tesla, the electrical engineer and inventor.  The French mathematician, Poincare, said one his mathematical advances came as the direct result of drinking a single cup of black coffee.  Caffeine is a known weak central nervous system stimulant – alerting agent – and it has been extensively studied at different medical schools and universities around the world.  Caffeine is known to increase alertness, energy, and the ability to concentrate in some people (not all). Source:  http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/chemtech/99/jul/negli.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the midst of my recent efforts to have my daughter and myself assessed for ADD, my new partner and I attended a CHADD meeting. There was a presentation given on diagnosing adults by the woman who had recently assessed me. My partner suddenly began to wonder if he might have it and said he should get assessed.  As the meeting was breaking up and right in front of the presenter I asked him, "So you really think you may have ADD?" "Well, not as bad as you do." he said. "Perhaps if you didn’t drink so much coffee, you might think differently." The presenter pointed out, as I already knew, that some people self-medicate with caffeine. Then a couple of days later I asked my partner just how much coffee he consumes in a average day, because I knew he drank a lot, but I had no idea how much. He told me that he drinks an average of 20-22 mugs of coffee each day! I was shocked!  I have scoured the net for info on long-term health effects of consuming that much caffeine and there is none.  I don’t think anyone else drinks that much coffee…certainly no one that has been part of any study,  Excessive intake is said to be about 10 cups and he drinks twice that!  There are only long-term studies on people consuming up to 650 mg of caffeine per day (about 6 cups) and there are potential serious effects on that.  The so-called toxic dose is 10,000 mg (about 100 cups of coffee).  Even so, my partner is consuming what would be considered an "overdose"…and then some! His hands tremor, but otherwise, he is suffering no apparent ill effects.  I worry about ulcers and heart irregularities.  He has only been drinking this much for about the last year, since he quit drinking alcohol. I now have no doubts that he’s self-medicating undiagnosed ADD and I want him to get assessed.  I managed to convince him to cut back to 10 cups a day and gradually to 5 for the sake of his health. So far, so good. Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently?

Before you buy.

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I’ve got you all beat.. at work we make a POT of coffee using THREE scoops of CAFE BUSTELLO (expresso coffee) at home I make      A CUP of coffee using TWO SCOOPS (yes two scoops per cup) of the same coffee. (a scoop is 1/8 of a cup)

Ugh…I am literally shuddering at the thought of this.  For the record, as much as my partner loves his coffee, I hate the taste of it and your recipe sounds disgustingly bitter to me.   My reaction to the caffeine contained in colas and coffee:  I get horribly nauseous & shaky.  I haven’t let cola pass my lips in over 10 years because of this.   I prefer weak tea…with a packet of equal & lots of coffeemate. Briana

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Expresso has less caffine than a lighter roast.  Also I don’t find it bitter at all if it is fresh which is why I make one cup at a time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got you all beat.. at work we make a POT of coffee using THREE scoops of CAFE BUSTELLO (expresso coffee) at home I make         A CUP of coffee using TWO SCOOPS (yes two scoops per cup) of the same coffee. (a scoop is 1/8 of a cup) Ugh…I am literally shuddering at the thought of this.  For the record, as much as my partner loves his coffee, I hate the taste of it and your recipe sounds disgustingly bitter to me.   My reaction to the caffeine contained in colas and coffee:  I get horribly nauseous & shaky.  I haven’t let cola pass my lips in over 10 years because of this.   I prefer weak tea…with a packet of equal & lots of coffeemate. Briana

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Expresso has less caffine than a lighter roast.  Also I don’t find it bitter at all if it is fresh which is why I make one cup at a time.

i saw my gp today and tried to tell him some of my ‘difficulties’. so i mentioned that i drank loads and loads of coffee and he asked why and i said because it helps me function so he said ‘ah, you’re caffeine addicted.’. i mean , god, how the hell am i going to explaing to a shrink what my life is like when they have such answers parat ? they can only dx within their learned boundaries. i have appt. with shrink in two weeks. is it a good idea to phone with them first or write, or what ? sammi. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got you all beat.. at work we make a POT of coffee using THREE scoops of CAFE BUSTELLO (expresso coffee) at home I make A CUP of coffee using TWO SCOOPS (yes two scoops per cup) of the same coffee. (a scoop is 1/8 of a cup) Ugh…I am literally shuddering at the thought of this.  For the record, as much as my partner loves his coffee, I hate the taste of it and your recipe sounds disgustingly bitter to me. My reaction to the caffeine contained in colas and coffee:  I get horribly nauseous & shaky.  I haven’t let cola pass my lips in over 10 years because of this. I prefer weak tea…with a packet of equal & lots of coffeemate. Briana — Nessa — If trains stop at trains stations, what happens at work stations?

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If you feel that the central nervous system stimulant – alerting agent –  caffeine may be helpful to you, the best place to start is with your family doctor.  That’s what I did.  C. Thomas Wild The most notable behavioral effects of caffeine – increased alertness, energy, and ability to concentrate – occur after consumption of low to moderate doses (50-300 mg). Source:  http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/chemtech/99/jul/negli.html Attention Deficit Disorder: http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section19/chapter262/262d.htm http://www.angelfire.com/biz/addsyndrome/index.html http://homepages.msn.com/RightWay/c_thomas_wild Domeena C. Renshaw, M.D., in The Hyperactive Child, reports a study by Schnackenberg, who substituted caffeine for methylphenidate (Ritalin) in eleven children who were on the latter medication for their hyperkinetic symptoms.  She reports that his results with two cups of coffee (equivalent to 200-300 mg. caffeine) per day were as satisfactory as the amphetamines, at one tenth of the cost. There are a number of FDA approved medicines such as NoDoz which list caffeine as the active ingredient.  Often there are cautions such as too much caffeine may cause nervousness, irritability, sleeplessness and, occasionally, rapid heart beat.  The products are generally marketed for occasional use only and they are not intended for use as a substitute for sleep.  If a person wants to find out more about the products, the person should consult their family doctor.  That’s what I did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the midst of my recent efforts to have my daughter and myself assessed for ADD, my new partner and I attended a CHADD meeting. There was a presentation given on diagnosing adults by the woman who had recently assessed me. My partner suddenly began to wonder if he might have it and said he should get assessed.  As the meeting was breaking up and right in front of the presenter I asked him, "So you really think you may have ADD?" "Well, not as bad as you do." he said. "Perhaps if you didn’t drink so much coffee, you might think differently." The presenter pointed out, as I already knew, that some people self-medicate with caffeine. Then a couple of days later I asked my partner just how much coffee he consumes in a average day, because I knew he drank a lot, but I had no idea how much. He told me that he drinks an average of 20-22 mugs of coffee each day! I was shocked!  I have scoured the net for info on long-term health effects of consuming that much caffeine and there is none.  I don’t think anyone else drinks that much coffee…certainly no one that has been part of any study,  Excessive intake is said to be about 10 cups and he drinks twice that!  There are only long-term studies on people consuming up to 650 mg of caffeine per day (about 6 cups) and there are potential serious effects on that.  The so-called toxic dose is 10,000 mg (about 100 cups of coffee).  Even so, my partner is consuming what would be considered an "overdose"…and then some! His hands tremor, but otherwise, he is suffering no apparent ill effects.  I worry about ulcers and heart irregularities.  He has only been drinking this much for about the last year, since he quit drinking alcohol. I now have no doubts that he’s self-medicating undiagnosed ADD and I want him to get assessed.  I managed to convince him to cut back to 10 cups a day and gradually to 5 for the sake of his health. So far, so good. Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently?

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Years ago, I came back from shore leave and discovered that the the hospital corpsman had hooked up an IV tube at my bunk–substituting a Coke bottle for the plasma. His explanation:  You drink so much of the stuff, you might as well main-line it. Paul

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Years ago, I came back from shore leave and discovered that the the hospital corpsman had hooked up an IV tube at my bunk–substituting a Coke bottle for the plasma. His explanation:  You drink so much of the stuff, you might as well main-line it. Paul

My wife is a nurse, and I keep asking her to give me IV coffee.

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Years ago, I came back from shore leave and discovered that the the hospital corpsman had hooked up an IV tube at my bunk–substituting a Coke bottle for the plasma. His explanation:  You drink so much of the stuff, you might as well main-line it. Paul My wife is a nurse, and I keep asking her to give me IV coffee.

You mean you have  blood in your coffee stream? — Nessa — does fuzzy logic tickle

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Years ago, I came back from shore leave and discovered that the the hospital corpsman had hooked up an IV tube at my bunk–substituting a Coke bottle for the plasma. His explanation:  You drink so much of the stuff, you might as well main-line it. Paul My wife is a nurse, and I keep asking her to give me IV coffee. You mean you have  blood in your coffee stream?

ROLF, or ROFL, or ROFLMAO or MFOSPALROFL err, shanks shor she shjoke, shbut shi shave shoo shlean she shreen shoff. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Nessa — does fuzzy logic tickle

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I’ve got you all beat.. at work we make a POT of coffee using THREE scoops of CAFE BUSTELLO (expresso coffee)

What?  You work at *my* office? That super-strong stuff smells good, but… ICK!!!  But then, I’ve never been much of a coffee drinker, unless it’s mocha.  Chewy, whose coffee you can float a horse shoe in, harasses me for liking a little coffee with my milk and sugar. — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

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I’ve got you all beat.. at work we make a POT of coffee using THREE scoops of CAFE BUSTELLO (expresso coffee) at home I make  A CUP of coffee using TWO SCOOPS (yes two scoops per cup) of the same coffee. (a scoop is 1/8 of a cup) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was finally diagnosed at age 40 I was drinking between ten and fifteen pints of coffee per day … often instant coffee with a TABLESPOON of granules per cup. I find the International Coffees** make a wonderful creamer, especially with espresso…. AmMen **International Coffees are a line of instant coffee mixed with flavorings, sugar, and HeavenKnowsWhat. Before you buy.

– Nessa — does fuzzy logic tickle

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  Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine   to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently?

I drank coffee from the age of about eight or nine … as a kid I would take a 30 oz flask of black coffee to school. In those days we had free school milk, so I would have half the coffee at morning break with the milk, and keep the rest for lunch. When I was finally diagnosed at age 40 I was drinking between ten and fifteen pints of coffee per day … often instant coffee with a TABLESPOON of granules per cup. What was interesting was that I didn’t get any sort of buzz, and could stop for a few days without any withdrawal symptoms apart from feeling more " unfocussed " Ian Ford

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When I was finally diagnosed at age 40 I was drinking between ten and fifteen pints of coffee per day … often instant coffee with a TABLESPOON of granules per cup.

I find the International Coffees** make a wonderful creamer, especially with espresso…. AmMen **International Coffees are a line of instant coffee mixed with flavorings, sugar, and HeavenKnowsWhat. Before you buy.

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Curious…. I remember hearing about a kind of bottled water with caffeine added to it(don’t remember brand name, tho). Anyone try to make coffee with *that*? Buny

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His hands tremor, but otherwise, he is suffering no apparent ill effects.

It is possible that the tremors in the hands could be the result od something besides the caffeine (*could*).  My famyl has a history of hand tremors, which is a benign condition called "familial tremor" or "essential tremor".  It has to do with overcompensating for fine motor skills. http://www.parkinsonsinstitute.org/tremor.html Even though this says "parkinson’s", ET is *not* parkinson’s syndrome. Some things can make my hands tremor more-caffeine is one of them. Fatigue, stress(physical or emotional) can do it.   So are certain medications, such as my asthma meds.  But even when not on these meds, or when I got "off" of caffeine, my hands still tremor to some degree. Then again, his tremors can be something else entirely.  Like ADHD, it is a matter of finding out what it is *not* before one discovers what it *is*. Buny

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[...] I now have no doubts that he’s self-medicating undiagnosed ADD and I want him to get assessed.  I managed to convince him to cut back to 10 cups a day and gradually to 5 for the sake of his health. So far, so good. Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently?

ADDers do not measure coffee consumption in cups; the pot is the standard measure. Cutting back to 5 is good for your health. I might be exaggerating slightly, but perhaps the answer to your question is ‘yes’?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] I now have no doubts that he’s self-medicating undiagnosed ADD and I want him to get assessed.  I managed to convince him to cut back to 10 cups a day and gradually to 5 for the sake of his health. So far, so good. Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently? ADDers do not measure coffee consumption in cups; the pot is the standard measure. Cutting back to 5 is good for your health.

Yup…5 pots George I might be exaggerating slightly, but perhaps the answer to your question is ‘yes’?

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In the midst of my recent efforts to have my daughter and myself assessed for ADD, my new partner and I attended a CHADD meeting. There was a presentation given on diagnosing adults by the woman who had recently assessed me. My partner suddenly began to wonder if he might have it and said he should get assessed.  As the meeting was breaking up and right in front of the presenter I asked him, "So you really think you may have ADD?" "Well, not as bad as you do." he said. "Perhaps if you didn’t drink so much coffee, you might think differently." The presenter pointed out, as I already knew, that some people self-medicate with caffeine. Then a couple of days later I asked my partner just how much coffee he consumes in a average day, because I knew he drank a lot, but I had no idea how much. He told me that he drinks an average of 20-22 mugs of coffee each day! I was shocked!  I have scoured the net for info on long-term health effects of consuming that much caffeine and there is none.  I don’t think anyone else drinks that much coffee…certainly no one that has been part of any study,  Excessive intake is said to be about 10 cups and he drinks twice that!  There are only long-term studies on people consuming up to 650 mg of caffeine per day (about 6 cups) and there are potential serious effects on that.  The so-called toxic dose is 10,000 mg (about 100 cups of coffee).  Even so, my partner is consuming what would be considered an "overdose"…and then some! His hands tremor, but otherwise, he is suffering no apparent ill effects.  I worry about ulcers and heart irregularities.  He has only been drinking this much for about the last year, since he quit drinking alcohol. I now have no doubts that he’s self-medicating undiagnosed ADD and I want him to get assessed.  I managed to convince him to cut back to 10 cups a day and gradually to 5 for the sake of his health. So far, so good. Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently?

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snip His hands tremor, but otherwise, he is suffering no apparent ill effects.  I worry about ulcers and heart irregularities.

I did that once in grad school.  Ulcers are generally caused by bacteria or non-steroidal anti-inflamatory drugs.  High coffee intake can cause cardiac arrhythmias.  It’s pretty spooky but it goes away. He has only been drinking this much for about the last year, since he quit drinking alcohol. I now have no doubts that he’s self-medicating undiagnosed ADD and I want him to get assessed.  I managed to convince him to cut back to 10 cups a day and gradually to 5 for the sake of his health. So far, so good. Has anyone else here tried to unknowingly self-medicate with caffeine to that extreme?  Does anyone here even know someone who drinks that much coffee consistently?

It’s pretty hard to figure caffeine levels because it’s quite easy to make a cup of coffee four times as strong as the average weak North American coffee.  I could fix 5 cups that would have as much caffeine as 20 restaurant cups. – George Before you buy.

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Hi Wes, by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer

Your sex drive seems OK. Have you tried an anti-depressants like Zoloft (Sertraline)? They can delay the orgasm. — FBI, CIA, KGB, Interpol, MIB, MI6… choke on this pal! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The best "lesson" I’ve never read. — Samy (France)

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Everything which you posted was so true, I congratulate you Many years ago in a now outdated book called "Any Man Can" I learned that orgasm and ejaculation are NOT the same thing and that a guy can masturbate having multiple orgasms as long as he does not ejaculate. Just knowing that one can do this was a real shocker. The stop and start technique which you so very well described IS the way to multiple orgasms….and it works. For me it is not possible to do while having intercourse, because I really believe that "Mother Nature" intended us to ejaculate (as soon as possible) and reproduce. That IS what sex is really all about…..continued repopulation. I am interested in the ancient Celtics ad have read that groups of guys( cousins and brothers) stood around waiting their turn to have sex with the women…so any guy taking too long to "get it done" would most likely removed from the female. As an added interest since the "tribes" were brothers and cousins etc, any baby born would obviously look like every one else – fair skinned and lightish hair. This child would then be greatly accepted by the tribe regardless of its father. BOB

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Fabulous answer, Fred . :::::::::standing ovation:::::::::::

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck!

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I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort.

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck! -Fred- Visit Fred’s Page of Impotence Information and ASI FAQ’s at: http://www.chesco.com/~fps/index.html

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You have no problems, young man!  You are just confused and you someone, perhaps a psychologist-sex-therapist to straighten you out.

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You might take comfort in that fact that you’re not much different than thousand of others. I’m not sure what operation you were talking about. Circumcision? I’ve heard it said that the uncircumcised are very sensitive. There’s a lot of discussion going on about circumcision. Whether is mutilation or not. I would suggest you try some of those desensitizing chemicals. And yes, see a urologist. There’s no age limit to ED or PE. Jerry of ASI I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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dear jm, one more thing the zolof ( not sure of the spelling, )  but it kept me awake also.  But imipramine which is for depression  didnt.  It took about a week for my mind to shut off at night and now i sleep real well most of the time only once in a while i wake with the rapid heart beat of anxiety.  

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– I am a 33 year old married mother of 3. And I have anxiety attacks and depression, I also suffer from migraines that leave me sick for days. Sometimes I don:t want to face the world, This is hard for my husband to understand, And even harded on the kids.

I sympathize with you completely….did you ever snap at your family because they bothered you in the middle of an attack?  I have (not meaning to of course).  My husband just barely understands my problem…..but I don’t he really gets the full picture of it. I take medication Zoloft.Xanax andAlprazolam Plus St. John Wort. Hopeing something will help. Everytime I have a pain I think I am dieing. I can"t sleep at night. And I am up all alone, which makes it worst. I want to be happy and enjoy life.

Usually I prefer to be alone when my attacks happen because I feel no one has to see me go looney (I’ve caught my daughter watch me once and I think it kinda scared her).  My doctor (family) tells me I am to young for the other medications. But I need help. I can"t go on like this. I would like a piece of mind. And maybe for someone to understand want I am going though. Does anyone have any answers? I guess it"s been harder because both of my brothers have pass away. and I only have my husband,kids and my mother. People think you can just jump up and be happy. But it doesn"t work that way for me. help.

It’s funny, my father has this condition and now that he’s on Paxil and feeling better, he’s less sympathic with me (although in some cases, he understands). I definitely feel the same way you do, and I’m glad you came out with your feelings.  It’s good to know someone else out there feels the same way. Believe me, you are not alone.  I just discovered that now when I found this group. Thank you guys for being here.  Now I don’t feel so isolated. ANDI http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/6104/index.html (The Monkees Pics N Stuff Webpage) "And in the end, the love you take,  is equal to the love you make." – Lennon/McCartney

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my attacks seemed to stem rom an obsession with my heart rate. my doctor gave me a beta bloacker, inderal, which took care of this. it did wonders. talk that over with your doc. once i got rid of the heart rate thing i could deal with the attacks much more effectively. "funny thing i learned about food, the more you eat…the more you NEW BOLLARD WEB PAGE…. http://members.aol.com/papilln/index.html                           cider,lost love and road trips.    

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Usually I prefer to be alone when my attacks happen because I feel no one has

to see me go looney< Touche Andrea, I can’t stand to have anyone around. It is not *normal* to crawl around on all fours like an animal that’s wounded.  To have someone watching me makes it worse. On the bright side, I haven’t had a P/A in 4 months and consider myself lucky that I have triggers and could easily eliminate them. Kathi Kathi

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hi – we all know what you are going through in this group.  It is very hard for families to understand this illness – everyone is always telling us to "snap out of it" and "if you make up your mind to do something, you can do it".  If they had to live with this for only one day, I think they might be more sympathetic.  I am 48 and have 2 children.  They do understand to a point and my 19 year old is a big help to me, as is my husband – but only when it is convenient for them.  Otherwise, I get  that disgusted look people are so quick to give.  I take Xanax when I feel I need it.  That alprazolam is just a generic form of Xanax – you don’t need both.  I never took my Zoloft or Paxil long enough for it to do me any good – I have a thing about being dependent on pills.  How long have you taken this stuff?  It takes at least a month to "kick in".  And how long have you been suffering with the attacks?  I believe the depression comes from having them.  For you to have migraines as well must be very debilitating.  I had agoraphobic and attacks in my 20’s; then for some mysterious reason I was well for 18 years.  That first time, I had horrible headaches (migraines?), too.  But it was from the stress, I think.  Maybe it is with you, too, and as you start feeling better they will lessen.  I can relate to everything you said.  Now that I’m sick again, worse than ever, I can sympathize.  Just try to take it one day at a time.  Try to keep busy – I find when I get involved with something – housework or reading, whatever, I don’t think about every little thing that is going on with my body.  We anxious people have a tendency to feel too much of what is going on and get that "feel like we’re going to die" feeling a lot.  If you feel like talking to me and it AOL.com  -  stay calm Cheryl

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hi – we all know what you are going through in this group.  It is very hard for families to understand this illness – everyone is always telling us to "snap out of it" and "if you make up your mind to do something, you can do it". If they had to live with this for only one day, I think they might be more sympathetic.  I am 48 and have 2 children.  They do understand to a point and my 19 year old is a big help to me, as is my husband – but only when it is convenient for them.  Otherwise, I get  that disgusted look people are so quick to give.  I take Xanax when I feel I need it.  That alprazolam is just a generic form of Xanax – you don’t need both.  I never took my Zoloft or Paxil long enough for it to do me any good – I have a thing about being dependent on pills.  How long have you taken this stuff?  It takes at least a month to "kick in".  And how long have you been suffering with the attacks?  I believe the depression comes from having them.  For you to have migraines as well must be very debilitating.  I had agoraphobic and attacks in my 20’s; then for some mysterious reason I was well for 18 years.  That first time, I had horrible headaches (migraines?), too.  But it was from the stress, I think.  Maybe it is with you, too, and as you start feeling better they will lessen.  I can relate to everything you said.  Now that I’m sick again, worse than ever, I can sympathize.  Just try to take it one day at a time.  Try to keep busy – I find when I get involved with something – housework or reading, whatever, I don’t think about every little thing that is going on with my body.  We anxious people have a tendency to feel too much of what is going on and get that "feel like we’re going to die" feeling a lot.  If you feel like talking to me and it AOL.com  -  stay calm Cheryl

Thank you for understanding (sorry if I’m being redundant) and I appreciate the support you and the rest of the newsgroup is giving me.  I could sure use the helping hand.  ANDI http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/6104/index.html (The Monkees Pics N Stuff Webpage) "And in the end, the love you take,  is equal to the love you make." – Lennon/McCartney

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Andi – I am sorry that you are going threw this type of thing. No one will ever really understand unless they have lived threw it. I know this may sound mean, but I have been so mad at one point at my co workers and family – that I have WISHED this on them – just for 2 days and 2 nights at it’s WORST. I hope that doesn’t make me an evil person. I think that if they did experience some of what you are going threw – then they’d understand. At least there is this newsgroup so you can relate to  others dealing with the same types of things. Take care. – Spoon.

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Frombufalo schreef: Usually I prefer to be alone when my attacks happen because I feel no one has to see me go looney< Touche Andrea, I can’t stand to have anyone around. It is not *normal* to crawl around on all fours like an animal that’s wounded.  To have someone watching me makes it worse. On the bright side, I haven’t had a P/A in 4 months and consider myself lucky that I have triggers and could easily eliminate them. Kathi Kathi

Hey Kath! There’s two of you now? Philip

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Usually I prefer to be alone when my attacks happen because I feel no one has to see me go looney<

I find that, if someone else is around and I share what I’m going through, it only makes them nervous as there’s nothing they can do and usually they are afraid of doing something wrong. OTOH, it’s sometimes scary to be alone inthe middle of a real PA. I guess I just like to have my close persons know I’m having a problem and there’s nothing for them to do, so they won’t wonder why I can’t concentrate, etc., and try to help with no results or negative results. Gordon Held

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Andi – I am sorry that you are going threw this type of thing. No one will ever really understand unless they have lived threw it. I know this may sound mean, but I have been so mad at one point at my co workers and family – that I have WISHED this on them – just for 2 days and 2 nights at it’s WORST. I hope that doesn’t make me an evil person. I think that if they did experience some of what you are going threw – then they’d understand. At least there is this newsgroup so you can relate to  others dealing with the same types of things. Take care. – Spoon.

You are not mean…..I’ve wished this on a person or two, just so they could see that I’m not trying to make excuses for not going places or doing things.  I especially wish it on them 2 fold, when they made stupid remarks like "get over it" or "you just don’t want to deal with (a particular situation)", or my favorite "not that excuse again!"  ANDI http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/6104/index.html (The Monkees Pics N Stuff Webpage) "And in the end, the love you take,  is equal to the love you make." – Lennon/McCartney

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Dear Andi5555   I am so sorry to hear that you feel the way I do.  The headaches get so bad that I spend 2 or 3  days in the bed. No one understands., they think it"s a small headache. I have to be in a dark room with no sound. I can"t eat and I don"t feel like moving. And when they do go away, I feel week for acouple of days. My 2 older kids 16 & 14 get by o.k. But it is hard on the 3 year old. I just hope that as I get older they will go away. People have tolded me that sometimes they do. I just pray and ask God to help me get though it.  This is alot of help to talk to other people who feel the same way. Have a Happy New Years and here"s  to a new year without PAD &

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Dear Andi5555   I am so sorry to hear that you feel the way I do.  The headaches get so bad that I spend 2 or 3  days in the bed. No one understands., they think it"s a small headache. I have to be in a dark room with no sound. I can"t eat and I don"t feel like moving. And when they do go away, I feel week for acouple of days. My 2 older kids 16 & 14 get by o.k. But it is hard on the 3 year old. I just hope that as I get older they will go away. People have tolded me that sometimes they do. I just pray and ask God to help me get though it.  This is alot of help to talk to other people who feel the same way. Have a Happy New Years and here"s  to a new year without PAD &

Hi Mechelle, I was reading your post and your description of your headaches caught my attention. Have you been to the doctor and explained how bad your suffering with these headaches??  This IMO,  is  more than a tension or stress related headache……sounds like a migraine. I suffer from migraines, my last one lasted two or three days, I get incredibly nauseous and can`t eat or drink, I need quiet( a joke with a 4 year old) and no lights. I can`t concentrate and it hurts to talk, can`t drive either, and I usually end up anxious because the pain is so intense. There are many new meds for migraines, you should really press your doctor on this issue, tylenol or aspirin doesn`t cut it with migraines…. I white-knuckle my pain, because I am a med-phobic, strangely enough, since being on Paxil I have been having them much less……which makes me quite happy!!  Hope you are feeling better soon, and remember there is no reason to suffer with these headaches!! Jackie ) Love is as much of an object as an obsession, everybody wants it, everybody seeks it, but few ever achieve it, those who do will cherish it, be lost in it, and among all.. never…never forget it.

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I suffer from migraines, my last one lasted two or three days, snipped I white-knuckle my pain, because I am a med-phobic, strangely enough, since being on Paxil I have been having them much less……which makes me quite happy!!   Jackie )

Nothing strange about that Jackie. The newer migraine meds affect the brain’s serotonin pathways, although in a slightly different way to SSRIs. Ian

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My wife also suffers from severe migraines and has tried dozens of meds with little or no success, except for one. Amitriptyline is the only thing that has ever worked for her, but it takes weeks to kick in and stop the migraines. YMMV but have watched her suffer for years and have never seen her feeling so good – she takes only 25 mg/day. Also it was prescriber by a neurologist who has seen more success with this than any of the new "wonder" drugs for migraines. I wish you lots of luck in finding a remedy. Purple Panic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Andi5555   I am so sorry to hear that you feel the way I do.  The headaches get so bad that I spend 2 or 3  days in the bed. No one understands., they think it"s a small headache. I have to be in a dark room with no sound. I can"t eat and I don"t feel like moving. And when they do go away, I feel week for acouple of days. My 2 older kids 16 & 14 get by o.k. But it is hard on the 3 year old. I just hope that as I get older they will go away. People have tolded me that sometimes they do. I just pray and ask God to help me get though it.  This is alot of help to talk to other people who feel the same way. Have a Happy New Years and here"s  to a new year without PAD & Hi Mechelle, I was reading your post and your description of your headaches caught my attention. Have you been to the doctor and explained how bad your suffering with these headaches??  This IMO,  is  more than a tension or stress related headache……sounds like a migraine. I suffer from migraines, my last one lasted two or three days, I get incredibly nauseous and can`t eat or drink, I need quiet( a joke with a 4 year old) and no lights. I can`t concentrate and it hurts to talk, can`t drive either, and I usually end up anxious because the pain is so intense. There are many new meds for migraines, you should really press your doctor on this issue, tylenol or aspirin doesn`t cut it with migraines…. I white-knuckle my pain, because I am a med-phobic, strangely enough, since being on Paxil I have been having them much less……which makes me quite happy!!  Hope you are feeling better soon, and remember there is no reason to suffer with these headaches!! Jackie ) Love is as much of an object as an obsession, everybody wants it, everybody seeks it, but few ever achieve it, those who do will cherish it, be lost in it, and among all.. never…never forget it.

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I know exactly what you are going through. I also have three children and anxiety is ruining my life.  I haven’t been to work in three weeks because it has gotten so bad. The bills are mounting and I still don’t feel up to going back.  I can’t even get through the grocery store yet      I just want to feel normal again.  I’m learning to deal with the attacks right when they start..but sometimes they are much stronger than me.  Those are the ones that worry me as far as returning to work goes.      I want my kids to enjoy their lives and I want to be a part of that. There are times I just feel like giving up, but I can’t because of them.  They want to go to movies and I always have to make some excuse up because I don’t want them to know that their mother can’t stand to venture too far from home. The worst part is that home is starting to make me crazy because I really need to get out more…….but my anxiety doesn’t allow that all too often.      All I can do is just pray this thing will go away and I can get my life back.  I’m going to fight to get my life back…it may be the hardest thing I’ll ever have to do…..but what other choice do I have???.

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I understand, and i am sorry to see you go through this too.  I am also a mother of two with my boyfriend of 10 years.  I have had anxieties for the 10years accompanied with panic attacks just recently in the past month.  I am agoraphobic and can’t drive at the time, but will again, soon i am hoping.  I am depressed alot too, but i think of my kids and that is why i am here for them.  If it means dealing with anxiety daily i will do it for them and for me to get better soon.  You must trust in the Lord and look for strength and guidance and direction, you will find it and you will be happy again, you must believe that.

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I feel for you. My daughter has panic attacks. It started when she was ten. She didnt want to go to school. It got so bad she dint want to go anywhere.  She had to be with me at all times. Shes been on Zoloft. Shes happy back at school.  She still has episodes. Shell make plans to go to the mall and then cancel at the last minute.Sometimes shell go and sometimes she wont.

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I am a 33 year old married mother of 3. And I have anxiety attacks and depression, I also suffer from migraines that leave me sick for days. Sometimes I don:t want to face the world, This is hard for my husband to understand, And even harded on the kids. I take medication Zoloft.Xanax andAlprazolam Plus St. John Wort. Hopeing something will help. Everytime I have a pain I think I am dieing. I can"t sleep at night. And I am up all alone, which makes it worst. I want to be happy and enjoy life. My doctor (family) tells me I am to young for the other medications. But I need help. I can"t go on like this. I would like a piece of mind. And maybe for someone to understand want I am going though. Does anyone have any answers? I guess it"s been harder because both of my brothers have pass away. and I only have my husband,kids and my mother. People think you can just jump up and be happy. But it doesn"t work that way for me. help.

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Dear Jm,     I too am a mother of 4 boys and I started having anxiety in august while driving my kids to our local rec. center.  Since then i went to my family doctor for a number of test because i thought i was having a heart problem.  we could never find anything and her dignoses was panic/anxiety.  she gave me pills that made me hyper and i thought i was going to loose my mind.  so my husband found a pysc. to help me he put me on xanax and imipramine to help control this.  i still have these rapid heart beats and wake in the middle of the night and still cant accept that it is anxiety.  but i am trying.  My pill are lessening the symptoms and making the attacks much less, but it was 3:00am when i woke with this heart racing.  maybe you just need an other type of med to help you.  I hate to have to rely on meds, but i couldnt leave my house and still cant drive very far.  crazy I know.  I hope you know you are not a lone there are a lot of us out there.  Even if this didnt help which i hope it did .

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I just learned about this medication and am wondering if any of you here are taking it now.   — Laura Goodwin "Pain is fleeting, glory is forever. Remember: scars are sexy."

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I just learned about this medication and am wondering if any of you here are taking it now.  

     I’m not taking it, but IIRC, it’s an SSRI like med (it’s not precisely like Prozac, Zoloft, or Paxil, but it does inhibit reuptake of seratonin at (presumably different) selected sites) and it’s supposed to be more ‘energizing’ than the other SSRIs.  (That is, the side effects tend not to be sleepiness or fatigue; they tend to be anxiety, etc.) — Everything I needed to know in life I learned in kindergarten.  Like: There is great power in both creation and destruction, but creation focuses power, and destruction disperses it.  This is the superiority of creation.

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Hi, LaLaura:  I take adderal and effexor.  The effexor helps with my motivation and mood swings.  The adderal helps my thought process and energy level.  But I think that the effexor has an impact on my energy level too.  A friend of mine has been taking effexor at 37.5mg three times a day (I take same dose twice a day) and his blood pressure went up.  His ADD dr. is monitoring the blood pressure now before determining whether it’s the effexor raising the pressure, and if it’s not the effexor, then he’ll prescribe a higher dose of effexor. This friend of mine can’t seem to get anything done, and his motivation level even on effexor three times a day is really not good.  However, this is probably because he has underlying emotional issues that he’s not dealing with……As for me, I’m doing really well on the dosage I’m taking. …..There’s so much stuff to do, to think about, to assemble. Oh no, Mr. Bill, I’ve turned into my stuff!!!

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Have been taking Effexor for 3+ years.  It has been the best of all of the antidepressants for me.  None of the SSRIs worked, the Tricyclics had horrendous side effects, and Serzone also had some strange side effects. I started taking it in conjuction with Ritalin, but now take Effexor and Adderall. I do remember that the first few days Effexor was a little rough on my stomach, but those symptoms subsided within a week. Good luck, Lloyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just learned about this medication and am wondering if any of you here are taking it now. — Laura Goodwin "Pain is fleeting, glory is forever. Remember: scars are sexy."

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I take effexor now and like it much better than the combination of prozac and dexedrine that I was taking before.  No side effects either. Wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, LaLaura:  I take adderal and effexor.  The effexor helps with my motivation and mood swings.  The adderal helps my thought process and energy level. But I think that the effexor has an impact on my energy level too.  A friend of mine has been taking effexor at 37.5mg three times a day (I take same dose twice a day) and his blood pressure went up.  His ADD dr. is monitoring the blood pressure now before determining whether it’s the effexor raising the pressure, and if it’s not the effexor, then he’ll prescribe a higher dose of effexor. This friend of mine can’t seem to get anything done, and his motivation level even on effexor three times a day is really not good.  However, this is probably because he has underlying emotional issues that he’s not dealing with……As for me, I’m doing really well on the dosage I’m taking. …..There’s so much stuff to do, to think about, to assemble. Oh no, Mr. Bill, I’ve turned into my stuff!!!

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Effexor reduces ‘reuptake’ of norepinephirine and dopamine as well as seratonin so it can treat both ADD and depression/anxiety. It even treated my allergies!  Unfortunately, like a strong antihistamine, it caused me so much urinary tract irritation that I had to stop taking it.

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Effexor reduces ‘reuptake’ of norepinephirine and dopamine as well as seratonin so it can treat both ADD and depression/anxiety. It even treated my allergies!  Unfortunately, like a strong antihistamine, it caused me so much urinary tract irritation that I had to stop taking it.

Interesting.   I’m grateful to you and to the other fine people who posted so far.  I’m considering trying effexor, since both rit and dex leave much to be desired in my case. I’m not at all depressed, but I do apparently have temporal lobe as well as frontal lobe dysfunction, which has rendered me virtually handicapped, although I’m a sharp gal in many ways.  For example, petty anxieties paralyze me, but I can be quite bold and effective in a real emergency. I have no sure sense of time or timing, unless I’m dancing.  If music is involved I’m brilliant, but I’m never sure what day of the week it is. An hour can seem like a day, and whole days can zip by in seconds. Whole years vanish from my conciousness, but I’ll never forget some minor incident from my girlhood.  Minor irritations that other people shrug off loom large to me, but things that terrify ordinary people are to me laughably tiny.  In short, I’m out of step with the entire rest of the race of humanity.  I don’t have a different drummer, I’ve got a whole dad-blamed different orchestra. It would not be a problem if people didn’t complain, but alas, much fault has been found with me, and I can’t keep a job to support myself. I would like to be able to provide for myself, at least. — Laura Goodwin "Pain is fleeting, glory is forever. Remember: scars are sexy."

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effexor works for awhile then you feel crappy again. Libido is gone forever on effexor

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effexor works for awhile then you feel crappy again. Libido is gone forever on effexor

     That’s not true.  It *CAN* happen; it can happen with most antidepressants, even those not known for it (some folks have reported sexual side effects from Wellbutrin, which has also shown a significant INCREASE to libido in one experiment), but the only way to know is to try.      Wellbutrin and Serzone are the two noted for having the least sexual-side effects. — Everything I needed to know in life I learned in kindergarten.  Like: There is great power in both creation and destruction, but creation focuses power, and destruction disperses it.  This is the superiority of creation.

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Rabbitt, how do you know you’re in the placebo group?  Were you told or is this based upon the fact that it’s not working for you?  Just curious since it’s not good science to tell people which group they’re in.  It biases the results.   In response to your question, Prozac is the only one I’ve tried.  I got lucky my first time out finding an AD that worked.  I hope the research drug works for you! Nancy S+13 Depression Guide, The Mining Company http://depression.miningco.com/

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Hey howdy, I was wondering if some kind people could tell me their experiences with Zoloft, Paxil, and Prozac.  Is one better than the other?  Why?  Are there any side effects?  How quickly do they work? I’m asking because I’m involved in a depression study and I’m taking a research antidepressant.  It appears that I’m in the placebo control group and I’m not feeling any better.  After the study has ended (in about 4 weeks), I’m going to be given the real stuff free of charge for about 3 or 4 months and those are my choices. Any help would be appreciated! Rabbitt

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I tried Prozac first. Had a terrible reaction. Became very anxious, and somewhat manic, and couldn’t sleep. Then Zoloft. Liked it, but for reasons I won’t go into (insurance etc.) switched to Paxil. I hate Paxil. I feel like a friggin’ zombie. Tired ALL THE TIME! Short term memory lapse. Emptiness. I’m hoping to switch back to Zoloft now that my insurance is set. I really felt better with it. Accomplished stuff. Had energy, but not too much. Felt a little less hopeless. Of course, everyone is different, as I’m sure you know. I have anxiety as well as depression, complicated by Benign Essential Tremor. Best of luck. — trevor "ratgirl" pratt "Nobody told me there’d be days like these." John Lennon

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drownproofing it could save your life first, take a deep breath and hold it. next, relax. float with your arms level with your shoulders. legs pointed down, head under water, with the top of your head at the surface. do not tread water. to breathe, make one stroke down with both hands and arms simultaneously. blow out air as your face breaks the water surface, inhale a full breath quickly when your mouth and nose break the surface, and relax again going back to the float mode with the head not out of the surface. dump items that cause negative buoyancy as coins ,watch, keys chains, etc. repeat the steps continuously as needed.

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Paul’s list on saving your life by drownproofing is well-timed for this part of the year. Thank you Paul. However, I seem to recall that within the last few years, there has been further information given out about how drownproofing can speed up hypothermia. Too much time with head in water, too much energy out-put, those sorts of things. drownproofing it could save your life first, take a deep breath and hold it. next, relax. float with your arms  level with your shoulders. legs pointed down, head under water, with

   the top of your head at the surface. do not tread water. to breathe, make one stroke down with both hands and arms simultaneously. blow out air as your face breaks the water surface, inhale a full breath

  quickly when your mouth and nose break the surface, and relax again   going back to the float mode with the head not out of the surface. dump items that cause negative buoyancy as coins ,watch, keys chains, etc. repeat the steps continuously as needed.

Any input from someone up to date on the latest in water-related hypothermia would be appreciated. Now is the season for such problems. Oh, and let’s try to stay on the boat, wear a pfd of some style of our choosing, or wear a survival suit. I don’t have a "Gumby" style suit, but do have a padded "Cruiser" suit by Mustang. Wonderful thing. Keeps me warm at the wheel, and even when sleeping off watch at night off shore. Hard to get out of if need to use the head, and the crotch is too low for short me, but otherwise, a very good thing. We wore our suits at night along the Washington coast this *summer* and felt very comfortable. One has to get out of the suit in the morning as the sun warms the air or you get wet from the inside. ANNE  (thanks Paul, again, for reminding us of the water being a danger) Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-28800, N81)

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Paul’s list on saving your life by drownproofing is well-timed for this part of the year. Thank you Paul. However, I seem to recall that within the last few years, there has been further information given out about how drownproofing can speed up hypothermia. Too much time with head in water, too much energy out-put, those sorts of things.

 I doubt that energy expenditure could be too much.  Drownproofing allows even poor swimmers to stay afloat for hours.  The hypothermia risk I think is a significant increased risk.  You can drown-proof with your legs tucked up.  This will reduce heat loss, but the head underwater is a worry.  A floatcoat would be a much better option. Especially compared to basic drownproofing, but not as good as a "gumby".  If caught overboard in a floatcoat, or other jacket, tighten the collar and waist drawstring to minimize the cold water exchange. Mark Anderson

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul’s list on saving your life by drownproofing is well-timed for this part of the year. Thank you Paul. However, I seem to recall that within the last few years, there has been further information given out about how drownproofing can speed up hypothermia. Too much time with head in water,  I doubt that energy expenditure could be too much.  Drownproofing allows even poor swimmers to stay afloat for hours.  The hypothermia risk I think is a significant increased risk.  You can drown-proof with your legs tucked up.  This will reduce heat loss, but the head underwater is a worry.  A floatcoat would be a much better option. exchange. Mark Anderson

At the risk of repeating what the previous post wrote, I don’t think the following can be said enough: Drownproofing is a life saving technique that is now somewhat discredited. From recent literature I have from the Canadian Coast Guard and the Canadian Red Cross ‘drownproofing’ will SUBSTANTIALLY reduce the amount of time a person can expect to remain alive in the water compared to other techniques. This includes simply treading water. As the other posts have stated this is becuase of the greatly increased heat loss through the head when is it is in the better thermal conducter; water. Most of our body’s heat loss is through the head. However, if the water is very warm, then it might make sense if a person is starting to have difficulty treading water. Of course if a PFD is in the equation then treading water ceases to be much of a concern. But hypothermia is still a very real problem in the cooler waters this time of year.Our lake was 3 degrees celsius when we pulled out last week-end. The Coast Guard literature went on to state that wearing a ‘float coat’ can increase one’s survival time many times over what it would be with a standard key-hole lifejacket.  

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