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am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to
the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon
I could be in trouble…. MAC Mac, didn’t you say you’re on 25 mg Zoloft? I think this is way too much to start out on – no wonder you’re feeling panicky. Try cutting that pill in quarters and take one of those a day. Then add one quarter per week. Most doctors just don’t seem to realize how sensitive some of us are to meds. That’s why so many people think they don’t work for them. Dot
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Hi, Mac, I would assume it is a short-lived side effect of the antidepressant. Don’t fret, just let the feelings pass and try to tell yourself it is just a side effect and will go away in a couple of days… ((((((Mac)))))) smiles, Elise
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Hey Mac, steady on. It WILL pass! Its just a sneaky SOB. Can’t see it, can’t control it, damn it. We all know the feeling! Just a question for you, when do you take which meds? I discovered that I cannot take the atenolol in the AM, I have to take it at night before bedtime. I go to sleep quicker and don’t notice any other side effect. If I take it in the AM I’m crashing –feel faint and dizzy, just like a PA– about 2 hours later. When I take it in the AM my pulse rate is about 60 at 11 AM, when I most need to be percolating at full steam and starting the restaurant workday. I know you said a few weeks ago that the atenolol didn’t affect you anymore, but you might look at it again. Sometimes just an increment of personal control can shift our inner stabilizer to a more neutral position. You can also take the zoloft at night, or now, as you wean on, take half in the AM and half at bedtime. Zoloft is "splittable". I did that for financial reasons in the past, 100 mg Zoloft costs the same as 50 mg, so my rx were written for 100 mg and take 1/2 daily, saved me a bundle of money when I paid out of pocket!!! YMMV yada yada but use what tools you have to accomodate this bump. You’ll be on the other side of the hump soon! HUGS, Mac. Hang ON! Sue
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:I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust :went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this :worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC Dear Mac, "Sometimes" antidepressants can "temporarily" increase anxiety while weaning on them. Now…….I`m not saying that zoloft caused your panic, only your doctor could make that determination but he needs to know about this. Call your doctor! Take care. Jackie ~*~As soon as you trust yourself you will know how to live~*~ ~Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe~
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I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC
MAC you are starting to get really boring. You are a smart guy. You have been told many times how the meds work, that they take time. I’m sorry you don’t have the time, but until the meds level off you are best to take a bedroll and park your butt on your docs doorstep. Or convince one of these ASAP types you are so fond of to come stay with you for a few days. I’m sure any number of them would like an expenses paid trip to Seattle.<g
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Please call your doctor Mac! You’ve been having extremely high anxiety because of this job situation. I’m not surprised that you had another PA. Please call and get some assurance from him. Try to breathe slowly in Di
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I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC
Yes what Jackie said is true. I tried Prozac a year back without a benzo and quit REAL QUICK. IT made my anxiety terrible. so now I have gone a year without it and am getting ready to start a benzo. I am thinking after being on a benzo for a month or so I might try an AD. Mac just know that it is probably the SSRI causing the extra anxiety and that once you get used to it and have the benzo for a back up you will probably feel better than you have in YEARS! I like the idea of an SSRI long term but not until I get on a benzo and get calmed down. I also have a big move coming up soon. Why I finally decided to get a benzo :) Good Luck! Dustin
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I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC
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I disagree with your response that a hallucinagen did NOT give a PA. Ever since a hullucinaginec triggered my first one, I have had them pretty bad for awhile. I never had one prior, and even though I have not used in over two years I still get them occasionally.
I thought the same thing for years – that a bad trip gave me years of anxiety and panic. At some point, though, I realized I had always been a "weird" kid, had nightmares all the time and a lot of fears. I think an intense drug experience can reconnect you to your primal fears, but it doesn’t change who you are. In fact, I’m more relaxed now than I was _before_ the drug experience, because I’ve faced some of the fears that I had tucked away in the back of my mind. Therapists have always told me that the bad trip didn’t really matter; maybe I’ve finally been brainwashed. But I remember obsessing endlessly for the first 2 years: "Why did I ever take that trip? I’m never going to be the same again!". That obsession fed my panic much more than any actual memory of the experience. I agree that there’s a certain trauma that we can go through as a result of a bad experience, but the mind can heal itself over time. This is why I think that PTSD may be different from panic disorder. I sure would like a real psychiatrist to clear this up for me! I am soooooo relieved that I am not the only person to feel likeme. It seems that no one else has residual effects. Also, I refuse to take Xanax, due to the fact that its addictive. Drugs have made me so paranoid to take anything including tylenol. I wish I could share my experiance with everyone so no one else has to go though it. Whoops, didnt mean to climb up a soap box, just happy to hear ( dismally ) that i am not the only one…
Me too. I didn’t know anything about PD for years; I just assumed that I had damaged my brain and was going to pay for the rest of my life. Thank God for the healing power of the mind. I’m still not sure that it matters whether we have our first PA while on a drug, in an exam, or on a plane – a PA is miserable no matter what triggers it! One more thing – like you, I was once very reluctant to go near ANY drug. I guess you only need to get burned once to stay away from the stove. BUT, looking back, I wish I had looked into meds, as they would have helped a lot (and did in later years). As long as you’re under doctor’s supervision, there’s no reason to fear Xanax or any other _prescription_ drug. YMMV, but I think most here will tell you that meds helped, rather than hurt them. Good luck! John S.
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I disagree with your response that a hallucinagen did NOT give a PA. Ever since a hullucinaginec triggered my first one, I have had them pretty bad for awhile. I never had one prior, and even though I have not used in over two years I still get them occasionally. I am soooooo relieved that I am not the only person to feel likeme. It seems that no one else has residual effects. Also, I refuse to take Xanax, due to the fact that its addictive. Drugs have made me so paranoid to take anything including tylenol. I wish I could share my experiance with everyone so no one else has to go though it. Whoops, didnt mean to climb up a soap box, just happy to hear ( dismally ) that i am not – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Matthew, It’s not uncommon for a hallucinogenic drug to trigger a first PA. However, this doesn’t mean that the experience GAVE you panic disorder (which you may not even have). It’s important to keep the one-time drug experience in perspective, and not obsess about it. All I can say is, focus on how you’re feeling NOW, and forget about the initial trigger, which is by now inconsequential. Follow some of the great advice on ASAP. I would advise you not to tell the MD about the drug use, because he may not prescribe what you need. Doctors vary widely on this; I had one doctor who wouldn’t prescribe Xanax because I have been sober for 5 years (I quit drinking, so he assumed that I have a tendency toward addiction). BTW, your post describes my foray into panic disorder (in 1982) very well. Don’t let it get you down; you’ll survive this! Cheers, John S.
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Matthew, It’s not uncommon for a hallucinogenic drug to trigger a first PA. However, this doesn’t mean that the experience GAVE you panic disorder (which you may not even have). It’s important to keep the one-time drug experience in perspective, and not obsess about it. All I can say is, focus on how you’re feeling NOW, and forget about the initial trigger, which is by now inconsequential. Follow some of the great advice on ASAP. I would advise you not to tell the MD about the drug use, because he may not prescribe what you need. Doctors vary widely on this; I had one doctor who wouldn’t prescribe Xanax because I have been sober for 5 years (I quit drinking, so he assumed that I have a tendency toward addiction). BTW, your post describes my foray into panic disorder (in 1982) very well. Don’t let it get you down; you’ll survive this! Cheers, John S.
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Hi, this is my first time posting here so please bare with me. I’ll start off by saying that I have no idea what is going on with me, and I’m looking for info, help, whatever you can give me. I’m 21, male and untill now, pretty outgoing. about three months ago, I smoked some marijuana with a new workmate (something I never do) I had a very bad experience with it (I’m not sure what you’re supposed to feel like when high, but I’m sure this was not what it was supposed to feel like) well, I eventualy came down, about two weeks later, late at night, I’m readying myself for a shower, and BAM, I feel like I did when I was high that day, now I am going to have a hard time explaining what it feels like, but I’ll give it my best shot. I feel like I can’t think, even know I can, concentration is all but gone, I feel real tence, like I can’t calm down, can’t even realy watch TV. I get mild heart palpitations, and sometimes I get this feeling of not being real, my vision is funny, but I can’t explain that, KIND of like double vision, but not realy. and sometimes I get this feeling that washes over me and is gone within say 5 – 10 seconds, like I am realy zoned out. this has been going on ever since. a few weeks ago, it started to get better, and I was starting to enjoy life again, and do the things I once had, then this last monday, I got a migraine, it went away, the folowing night I got another one, and I took some migraine pain reliefe wich got rid of it, well, as the migrain went away, that feeling came back, and it’s been with me again ever since. I went to the doctor shortly after I started feeling like this and he gave me recomendation for blood work, wich I couldn’t afford seeing as I have not been able to work since this started happening. PLEASE don’t judge me for the drug use as it is something I do not do. any onfo or similar experiences would VERY much be apreciated. thank you so much for your time, Matthew.
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I was just fine an hour or so ago. But my life is way stressful right now. I’m having chest pains and shortness of breath, thinking irrationally. Well, at least I know I am thinking irrationally! Somebody please TELL ME I’M NOT DYING.
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I was just fine an hour or so ago. But my life is way stressful right now. I’m having chest pains and shortness of breath, thinking irrationally. Well, at least I know I am thinking irrationally! Somebody please TELL ME I’M NOT DYING.
Wendy – you are *NOT* dying! Really! What’s happening is that you are having a panic attack. I’d say "that’s all" but no one who has ever suffered one would underplay the vicious terror of these things. Please just hang on in there and, if you’re not, *get some treatment*…. Keep posting, keep reading – please let us try to help you. <hug — Gary Cooper
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Somebody please TELL ME I’M NOT DYING.
My dear Wendy, As long as you are able to read this message, you are definitely NOT DYING! Get an ice cream, and go and watch the telly… try not to think about the fact that you are probably in the middle of a major (easier said than done, I know). If you are reading this message 24 hours after posting yours, then you know you got through it! Yours, PaNick!
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I don’t think so
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I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee
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<< I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! Hi Melodee! I had a very bad reaction to Serzone, including constant headaches…my pdoc told me there is a small percentage of people who will react badly to this particular drug because of a liver enzyme that reacts to it. I don’t know if this is what is happening to you, but my pdoc felt that was the problem with me…at any rate, you shouldn’t be having constant headaches! I think it’s time to get off the Serzone… << I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee I have read Dr. Shipko’s reserach with great interest, and, although I have not directly communicated with him, I feel that his approach and findings make a LOT of sense…JMO. I DO know that Tofranil is a good med for PD. I also, however, am a huge believer in Xanax…without it, no matter WHAT ad I was on, I had no panic relief. I take 4-5 mgs. of Xanax per day…many people feel that is a "high" dose, but it has worked consistantly for me for about 10 years straight. As you know, everyone’s mileage varies when it comes to dosing, but I believe Xanax is sure worth a try!!! I know trying new meds is scary, but suffering with bad side effects and/or panic is NOT necessary! If I were you, I’d try another med, and give yourself a chance to start feeling better!!!:) Hang in…you are not alone! Best, ~~Char*) "You’re just jealous because the little voices talk to ME!"
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I had terrible results with Serzone too. Tofranil is known to be a good panic/anxiety med. Personally after years of different medication trials I take Nortriptyline, which is in the same class as Tofranil, with xanax (and a very small amount of Prozac) and it is the best combination I have ever been on and I will happily stay on it for the rest of my life is needs be. I have to say though..the xanax has saved my life and made me a free and healthy person finally..I know there are a lot of scary stories about addiction and blah blah out there but for a lot of us with this type of disorder it is a very very good medication. I also follow the PDI BBS and read what Dr. Shipko writes and I have a great deal of respect for his opinions and advice. I would give the Tofranil a try, with xanax in lower doses if you are afraid to go the higher dosage route with Xanax alone. Best of luck to you and please post how it goes! May — "Every time I feel the urge to exercise, I lie down until it goes away." – Mark Twain
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee
Dear Melodee, I think you should certainly get off the serzone and try another medication. Medications don’t work the same for everyone, but Tofranil is an older and *well* tested medication that does work very well with PD for many people – myself included. My life turned around when I combined Tofranil and Xanax together. Until then I had tried numerous meds and lived a life of hell. I slowly increased both dosages (with the help of my understanding physician) and now I have been at 150 mg Tofranil at bedtime with 4 mg Xanax per day for about 2 years straight. This combo has worked well for others also. You may want to give it a try. Hope you find relief soon and start feeling better. You’re definitely not in this alone 
John L.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee
Although a certain amount of scepticism may be a good thing, I think you can safely regard Dr. S. at the PDI as a very trustworthy source of information. Often GERD and IBS are part of or at least comorbid with PD. I understand Shipko advised you to take Xanax and Carafate which seems to be a very good combo for this. As a matter of fact they are the meds he himself is on, being a sufferer too. Why are you scared about trying another benzo? It sounds like you had a bad experience with one? It’s an easy med to try. AD’s, on the other hand, have to weaned on slowly to avoid initial side effects and worsening of symptoms. As a matter of fact benzos are often used to help wean on an AD. Tofranil (imipramine) is a TCA (tricyclic antidepressant) which is an oldie but goodie. It’s stil often used for PD. It should be started at 10 mgs and then slowly raised up to therapeutic dose (which can be anywhere between 75-200 mgs and this can be verified by blood work). There is a third way and that’s combining Tofranil & Xanax (and Carafate can be added, this is more for IBS than for the actual Panic Attacks). Actually this is the combo I am on (Tofranil 150 mgs & Xanax 2.5 mgs). It works for me but YMMV. Philip
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I have to agree with the rest of the group. Tofrinil (imiprimine) and Xanax are an effective combo… I used both with 10mg. of Paxil. It’s my understading that the SSRI (Paxil) increases the serum level of imiprimine so you don’t have to take as much. Warning: the side effects from imiprimine can be wretched at first….NO saliva, constipation, daytime somnelence, etc… However, as with John L… the combo changed my life too. I was on it for 4 years then DC’d and remained PA-free for 2 years. I’m currently on Zoloft…not as effective as the imiprimine, but I couldn’t handle the side effects anymore. -VJ (another newbie to the group)
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Excuse me… Please stop sending html to a newsgroup, please stop yelling and please stop pushing pot use in this group. You may as well push coffee and other caffine drinks.
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I am on antdepressants and on Xanax, and still I am in a panic. my dad…who was half owner in my home, and only signed it over to me in July, is now after a stroke and all sorts of complications in need of nursing home care. I have been told, that the fact that he renounced claim in our home is immaterial and that before medecaid will pay for any help, they will take his half of the house…..and I the mortgage is already at my max of capacity. I am divorced and my two sons, 23 and 17 live with me….Mom and dad lived in the apartment downstairs….mom died two years ago. neither has any money, dad makes 1300 a month between his pension and social seucurity. I don’t want to lose my home of these past 10 years, but don’t know what to do…I am in NY and NY is not much in the way of caring I am told….. HELP!!!!!!! Please…..I have been through 5 years of hell with the divorce, mom dying, my sons accident and now this…I can’t take any more please respond in email if you help I am in Orange County NY
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I am on antdepressants and on Xanax, and still I am in a panic. my dad…who was half owner in my home, and only signed it over to me in July, is now after a stroke and all sorts of complications in need of nursing home care. I have been told, that the fact that he renounced claim in our home is immaterial and that before medecaid will pay for any help, they will take his half of the house…..and I the mortgage is already at my max of capacity. I am divorced and my two sons, 23 and 17 live with me….Mom and dad lived in the apartment downstairs….mom died two years ago. neither has any money, dad makes 1300 a month between his pension and social seucurity. I don’t want to lose my home of these past 10 years, but don’t know what to do…I am in NY and NY is not much in the way of caring I am told….. HELP!!!!!!! Please…..I have been through 5 years of hell with the divorce, mom dying, my sons accident and now this…I can’t take any more
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Hi, Ok.Try to relax a second.It is a really rough time.One of thoses definig lifes moment. I would confer with a GOOD lawyer.This can be worked out,Gov Pataki did the exact same thing with his mother having her sign property over to him.Somebody in social sevices might also be able to help.You must put up a good fight or they’ll beat you for sure.They’re are caring folks out there.My wifes bes friend is a person who has some pull with social services.What part of NY are you in?We also live in NY.EMail me back your info.In times like these your medication is working hard to keep you stablized.Do not panic.You have to convince yourself that there is a way to work this out.Nobody wants to put anybody on the street.See a lawyer ASAP Peace JMiles
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yes, i too have to focus on something else..TV doesn’t work because you still focus on what you are feeling, and reading a magazine is too hard when my head is jumbly….actually that is why i love the computer now…before i didn’t use it much , but whenever i have an attack i get online….but not to look up panic stuff, because you want to get it out of your time….catch up on your email or surf some new sites…something not too hard but it helps me….i tried to do the positive thinking thing, but you are still focused on yourself, you have to find some distraction…..try the computer, works wonders for me (along with popping a xanex of course!) jana
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Janet, I have also found that when I am very focused on myself my anxiety attacks get worse. I usually do some breathing exercises if I think of it. But when you are in the moment it’s hard to focus on anything productive, I’ll be the first to admit this. Stay strong and I hope your doctor appointment goes well. Raquel I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas? Hi Janet, when i used to get bad general anxiety attacks at home i tried to keep as busy as i could. Even if i really did’nt feel like it i’d find some painting or gardening to do. Anything so long as i was’nt just sitting there focusing on myself all the time. There were times when i thought i was dying so i know how frightened you feel at the moment but if they found nothing wrong when you had the tests three weeks ago then try to trust that and focus on something outside of yourself. Easy for me to say i know but i felt the same as you this time two years ago. Sorry you feel so bad at the moment, best wishes. Ken.
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It sounds like the doctor doesn’t think the arythmias are dangerous. Maybe he just wants to control them because they interfere with your panic control? Anyhow, something I find useful in my self-talk is to ask myself, "will thinking about this right now help?" the answer is usually no. someone posted here that all prroblems can be divided into two groups, those that can be solved by worrying about them, and those that can’t. Right now the arrythmia is in the second category. You have made plans for the next thing to do about them, which is to see the doctor next week. Until then, when you can get more information about what is going on, there is nothing else to do. so try to keep shoving those worries into the second category, and keep them from giving you more trouble. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
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Janet, I have also found that when I am very focused on myself my anxiety attacks get worse. I usually do some breathing exercises if I think of it. But when you are in the moment it’s hard to focus on anything productive, I’ll be the first to admit this. Stay strong and I hope your doctor appointment goes well. Raquel
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas? Hi Janet, when i used to get bad general anxiety attacks at home i tried to keep as busy as i could. Even if i really did’nt feel like it i’d find some painting or gardening to do. Anything so long as i was’nt just sitting there focusing on myself all the time. There were times when i thought i was dying so i know how frightened you feel at the moment but if they found nothing wrong when you had the tests three weeks ago then try to trust that and focus on something outside of yourself. Easy for me to say i know but i felt the same as you this time two years ago. Sorry you feel so bad at the moment, best wishes. Ken.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
Hi Janet, when i used to get bad general anxiety attacks at home i tried to keep as busy as i could. Even if i really did’nt feel like it i’d find some painting or gardening to do. Anything so long as i was’nt just sitting there focusing on myself all the time. There were times when i thought i was dying so i know how frightened you feel at the moment but if they found nothing wrong when you had the tests three weeks ago then try to trust that and focus on something outside of yourself. Easy for me to say i know but i felt the same as you this time two years ago. Sorry you feel so bad at the moment, best wishes. Ken.
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Janet: A few years back when we had an extremely tragic and stressful situation with one of our kids, I was having the same symptoms as you. My doctor put me on a portable EKG thing for 24 hours and it showed irregular heartbeats. It felt to me as if a large bird was fluttering madly in my chest, trying to break free! — or a fish flopping for its life. This sensation took my breath away and was pretty frightening, especially all night as I tried to sleep. Unlike your doc, however, my family doctor diagnosed stress and anxiety, and immediately put me on Xanax to calm me down. It worked like a charm. The second day after beginning the med, I simply stopped having the palpitations. (I’d had them for about 3-4 months, getting worse all the time.) Do talk to your doctor about the possibility of some anti-anxiety medication to break this anxiety cycle. Good luck, and let us know what happens. Best, Anne —
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Whoops! janet, I just re-read your posting and see that you *do* take Xanax. Perhaps you need an increased dosage; talk to your doctor, and if he’s not helpful, seek out a psychiatrist. Sorry I was asleep when I replied! – Anne —
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
I’ve been through the positive thinking route and found it’s effectiveness to be very limited. (when one is feeling well it really works!) I’d see a psychiatrist and get on the proper meds to control your anxiety. You sound like you need a higher dose of Xanax and/or another med. If the cardiologist told you to come back in one week, he couldn’t have been too concerned about a serious arrythmia. If he was, you would now be in the hospital being treated for it. Hope this helps, Chip Before you buy.
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arrythmias.
big word little consequence unless you have underlying pathology like elctrical conduction problems or clogged arteries-from a medical standpoint what you are experiencing is tantemount to a hiccup or burp- they are uncomfortable only if you define them as awful or life threatening-the stimulating hormones your body is secreting at such high levels all the time are expressed evrywhere like in faster peristalsis of your gut or flutters of your heart these are benign symptoms of anxiety even if your anxiety attacks are controlled you understand you have a proclivity to experience stress and worry so you still are and are expressing it physiologicaly instead of emotively-meds can ease the cardiac contractions or mellow out the conduction time if needed so don’t freak out you aren’t going to die or go crazy. The very worse that will happen if these burps are bad enough is you will pass out and this is the very worse is rare if you are youngish and is still controlable with meds. re read and listen to her stopping scary thoughts tapes and don’t do the what ifs or imagine yourself having a cardiac arrest-once under the care of a cardiac doc you will be fine. LM
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I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
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Margrove, Thanks for your reply to my post. You may recall that I talked about Seroquel and Zyprexa and you mentioned that Seroquel was more dose dependent. Could you explain what is meant by that. I was on 5mg Zyprexa and now 100mg Seroquel. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Hi Dee! Wish I could help you with the meds, but I don’t know anything about them. Just wanted to give you a hug. You sound like you need one. {{{{{{{Dee}}}}}}} Di
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Hi, I’m desperate! In order for my career to go ahead I need to take a whole program of study in the next year and that amounts to a very heavy load each quarter. I haven’t been well, so I don’t know how I can do this. I just turned 50 last year and about three years ago came down with panic/anxiety disorder. I take medications, but none of them work that well. I did OK for awhile on Zyprexa. But now I’m on Seoquel because of the weight problem with Zyprexa. But I’m not sure if the Seroquel is going to work as good. My pdoc also just put me on Depakote about two months ago. It never felt quite right so I’m coming off of it. I don’t feel so good. Could there be some withdrawl symptoms from the Depakote? I was on 1000mg and then went down to 750 for about a week and now I’ve just reduced it to 500mg yesterday. Please help! Dee Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m desperate! In order for my career to go ahead I need to take a whole program of study in the next year and that amounts to a very heavy load each quarter. I haven’t been well, so I don’t know how I can do this. I just turned 50 last year and about three years ago came down with panic/anxiety disorder. I take medications, but none of them work that well. I did OK for awhile on Zyprexa. But now I’m on Seoquel because of the weight problem with Zyprexa. But I’m not sure if the Seroquel is going to work as good. My pdoc also just put me on Depakote about two months ago. It never felt quite right so I’m coming off of it. I don’t feel so good. Could there be some withdrawl symptoms from the Depakote? I was on 1000mg and then went down to 750 for about a week and now I’ve just reduced it to 500mg yesterday. Please help! Dee Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
there is a slight rebound activity that occurs with tapers off depakote-like all psychoactive meds it requires a slow taper-your brain will readjust withina short time to its lack of presence-seroquel works differently then zyprexa and is much more dose dependant both being very respectable meds you may find your responses different as with all medicaments and individual chemistries-as for your course load-push the envelope and as the great zen of nike said-just do it. the worse that will happen is you may succeed. If not so what. LM
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Thanks for all your support. Raquel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
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I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel
Dear Raquel, As much as you don`t feel like it right now, there is much left to live for. You have a wonderful husband, and you also have Somer, I know how precious he is to you. I know moving is a stress right now, but think of how it may help improve your health in the long run? Has your depression worsened lately? I can`t recall the meds you are on for your asthma, if you are on prednisone, it could be exacerbating your depression. You might want to call your doctor about that. Please hang in there, it will get better. Love Jackie ~*~The great art of life is sensation, to feel that we exist, even in
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Dear Raquel, I’m so sorry you are feeling down right now. You have a lot going on at once and it does feel overwhelming. Try to tackle one thing at a time. And then find ways to be kind to yourself and to tell yourself that you are going to get through it. Find ways to have little successes, then you can build on them. I hope you feel better soon. Don’t give up. I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
– Jeannie "On the other hand….you have different fingers." Before you buy.
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I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel
Maybe it would be a good idea to break down this accumulation of problems into more manageable parts. – How is your asthma coming along? Do the new meds work? -Maybe you would like to tell us some more about your anxiety problems etc. and how they are treated… I think you should look for a good CBT-therapist. -And what’s with the appartment? How is Brian? He is always so supportive….are you two OK? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before you buy.
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Look for Something just anything that grounds you in the present. (((((((Raquel)))))) Sue
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Hi Raquel Just hang in there and go with its flow and try to keep your chin high up. Be extra good for yourself . This bumpy road will stop and things will pick up, its all a matter of time! Keep posting and let us be with you in your hart! Love Jeannette
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I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
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Sweetie…. You have plenty to live for… Maybe this move will be one that energizes you. The other issues are hard to rid yourself of, but you know what? There is NO REASON you can’t enjoy life anyhow. MSN is a joke…I tell you what…we signed up for a free month, when we called to cancel (all 6 times) they gave us another free month. Tell them you have a beef and they usually suck up. Find another internet company. We are using prodigy and it was simple as could be. Also I know Juno offers free web service or their ‘premium’ service for only like 10 bucks a month. Not to worry about the news servers….go to deja (as much as I HATE deja) or newsone.com…that is where I posted when my email server wouldn’t work right. Just breathe sweetie…it will all get better. As for your asthma, what meds are you on? I had a lot of trouble with mine until I tried Singulair and it has made a world of difference. They put me on Azmacort (a steroid inhaler) and I never even use it now. I did right after my accident, but then when I stopped I noticed the singulair was going so good I didn’t really need to go back. During the move, take care of yourself. Take long baths after packing, light some candles that smell like your favorite flower and don’t forget to pamper yourself. It does wonders I promise I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
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I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel you have alot to live for. Are you ok? You have god and your husband.
Be positive. donny Confess your sins. Turn from your sins. Believe in your heart. Ask Jesus to save you.
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deja.com. You have alot to live for. Think of the people that would be affected if you werent around. will PRAY FOR YOU. donny Confess your sins. Turn from your sins. Believe in your heart. Ask Jesus to save you.
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Raquel, Life is worth living… You are just experiencing a lot of problems at one time. Try to deal witheach one individually ad it does take some of the stress off your shoulders. smiles, elise
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ImJustOne wrote:
If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the morning.
You mean you go back to bed if there’s no positive posts?
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About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
How about if you can’t enjoy anything? I’m getting the feeling that my current Effexor dose won’t be enough to get through this winter. This windy, grey weather today makes my mood dive…
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If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)
HTF does one learn to talk???
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The Putt King wrote: About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted. How about if you can’t enjoy anything? I’m getting the feeling that my current Effexor dose won’t be enough to get through this winter. This windy, grey weather today makes my mood dive.
Build something. Do-it-Yourself carpentry! Maybe if I hit my thumbs enough times with a hammer, I’d be in a pain that might take my mind off my emotional misery.
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In our current culture, shorts seem like kind of a no-no on men when you’re dressing remotely to impress anyway. Fine for being comfortable or playing sports, but it doesn’t particularly make you look good, even with nice legs. (Endurance weenie shaving culture aside?;) )
I guess not, hence the negative reaction. I suppose I was thinking as a bloke, not a woman. Men like to see the bare legs of women so I figured that women would like to see the bare legs of men. Sad
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ImJustOne wrote: If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself
to
feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it
chronic.
Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) HTF does one learn to talk???
I didn’t type that.
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ImJustOne wrote: If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself
to
feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it
chronic.
Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the
morning.
You mean you go back to bed if there’s no positive posts?
lol!
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… Give up? Yeah damn right! I’ve tried with women, I really have. I’ve tried being witty, intelligent and thoughtful. I’ve even tried appealing to their baser instincts by deliberately wearing shorts in order to show my legs off. An attempt to show bare male skin in a sexual way (I’m desperate!) but what did I get? Either indifference or comments like ‘His legs look yukky’.
Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them. Virgo Cluster (who just finished the grading he needed to do today) "[10 Greats] (#9) Peter the Great (1672-1725), czar of Russia: brilliant but cruel despot, who had his own son tortured to death. After a lifetime of alcoholism, he died of syphilitic dementia." << Karl Shaw, "The Mammoth Book of Tasteless Lists", Carroll & Graf Publishers, 1998, p. 279
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sports clubs; i am a member of a gliding club and a yacht club. The gliding club is agood place to talk technical with a whole bunch of mainly older fellas who like relaying their near death experiences national records and glider technicalities, no women but i didnt join it for that. Sailing club is a good place to talk technical about yachts, near death experiences, and how close you cam to winning the national title in your class but still came 30th. few women(blokey atmosphere) but i go there to sail anyway. I dont know why i cant strike up a conversation there easily. i dont feel i have anything to contribute so, yeah, basically i cant think of anything to say. i.e no near death experiences, no national titles. I also think that my shyness can be seen from the outside as a kind of arrogance. as if im above "you lot". so i dont often get approached. Reasons i might be shy now ( i used to be the class clown in primary school) bullied at high school High school was an all boys school once good friends bailed on me been told im a "know all" on more than one occasion been harrassed after speaking in front of the whole school ( it was a memorial as well) made to feel self conscious about my lack of GF (s) First date girl stood me up during the date( i mean the very first date, three weeks ago) second "first date" made me realise how incompetent i am at trying to look intelligent and confident and knowing how to show a girl a good time.
OMB, you seem to have a parallel life to mine until the first date part. Unfortunately, I stood up my first date. -M
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firstly if you are reading out my profile, that isnt my profile. i certainly havent written that i am a dork, i dont play guitar and never claimed i have. http://soulmatesworld.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=display_profile&id=MG… sorry i may have mislead about the "match.com" wwtwn? "Insert Pseudonym Here" <i…@iphfakeaddr.com
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"whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam wrote in news:blo4gn$tae$1@lust.ihug.co.nz: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really Hmm…. Okay, this going to be a fairly harsh critique of your ad. If you’re sensitive, tune out now. Your tagline reads: " i might act like a dork somtimes but i can make a real woman feel like a real woman if you would just give me a chance " Two problems. First, you call yourself a dork. That’s only cute when cute young women do it. Second, "make a real woman feel like a real woman" might as well read, "You think you’re a real woman? You ain’t shit until you hop into my bed and PROVE it!" Maybe not what you had in mind, but that’s what a lot of women are going to take from it. It sounds like a sexual challenge. " turn-ons: No Answer sense of humor: No Answer " It looks weird that these have no answer. Surely you have selection criteria and a sense of humor? " i like to go to parties clubs concerts and just have as much fun as posiable i like playing my guitar alot love singing and i love to just get out and do stuff to have fun and live life sweet " True or not: 1) it sounds like you’re bullshitting, and 2) it sounds like all the other ads from guys (who are bullshitting). " im looking for a girl to no complain alot " This makes it sound like you’re looking for a woman to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen makin’ you a sammich. how do i learn how to talk to people? Get into situations where you’re forced to. Teach, volunteer, get a part time job as a cashier, etc. Eventually you’ll learn to stop giving a shit how you come off. If you come off great, great. If you come off terribly, so what? There’s so many people in the world, your chances of making a good impression on some of them are pretty high as long: 1) you’re willing to let it, and 2) your sample size exceeds a single digit.
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"Virgo Cluster" <gamma_n…@yahoo.com wrote in message news:dd95baf2.0310051345.3bed2b48@posting.google.com… Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them. I don’t think I could ever parade my legs like that! I don’t think they look *that* bad to be honest, a bit white perhaps but I’m not sure why I got such a negative reaction. No more shorts for me anyway 
In our current culture, shorts seem like kind of a no-no on men when you’re dressing remotely to impress anyway. Fine for being comfortable or playing sports, but it doesn’t particularly make you look good, even with nice legs. (Endurance weenie shaving culture aside?;) )
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Well, at least I’ve never had this problem. On several occasions I’ve actually considered entering one of those "sexy legs" contests that clubs sometimes have, but I’ve never done it because I figure my height and nerdy appearance would subtract too much from what I’m sure wouldn’t be an objective evaluation of my legs. Or maybe I was just too shy to enter any of them.
I don’t think I could ever parade my legs like that! I don’t think they look *that* bad to be honest, a bit white perhaps but I’m not sure why I got such a negative reaction. No more shorts for me anyway Sad
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wrote in message <news:blo4gn$tae$1@lust.ihug.co.nz… Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side. Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people?
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Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl. "The Putt King" <theputtk…@aol.com wrote in message news:20031004191654.13183.00000343@mb-m24.aol.com… <<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
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My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.
Give up? Yeah damn right! I’ve tried with women, I really have. I’ve tried being witty, intelligent and thoughtful. I’ve even tried appealing to their baser instincts by deliberately wearing shorts in order to show my legs off. An attempt to show bare male skin in a sexual way (I’m desperate!) but what did I get? Either indifference or comments like ‘His legs look yukky’. Sad
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:51:52 +1300, "whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam
wrote: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side.
What are the sporting clubs? Why do you "shrink away" from the social side? Do you feel intimidated by them? … feel any sort of hostility from them? … can’t think of anything to say?
Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people?
Good question. What are the things you like to talk about?
Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl.
You will have to face that fear sooner or later, so why not sooner, rather than later? Solitary Soul -
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sports clubs; i am a member of a gliding club and a yacht club. The gliding club is agood place to talk technical with a whole bunch of mainly older fellas who like relaying their near death experiences national records and glider technicalities, no women but i didnt join it for that. Sailing club is a good place to talk technical about yachts, near death experiences, and how close you cam to winning the national title in your class but still came 30th. few women(blokey atmosphere) but i go there to sail anyway. I dont know why i cant strike up a conversation there easily. i dont feel i have anything to contribute so, yeah, basically i cant think of anything to say. i.e no near death experiences, no national titles. I also think that my shyness can be seen from the outside as a kind of arrogance. as if im above "you lot". so i dont often get approached. Reasons i might be shy now ( i used to be the class clown in primary school) bullied at high school High school was an all boys school once good friends bailed on me been told im a "know all" on more than one occasion been harrassed after speaking in front of the whole school ( it was a memorial as well) made to feel self conscious about my lack of GF (s) First date girl stood me up during the date( i mean the very first date, three weeks ago) second "first date" made me realise how incompetent i am at trying to look intelligent and confident and knowing how to show a girl a good time. I am so used to talking technical my mind draws a blank in situations where i have to try and make the weather sound interesting. I know i have an interesting side of me, i am not a bored person but my interests arnt that compatible with other people i meet so any resulting conversation is very thin. "Solitary Soul" <solitarys…@ev1.net
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:51:52 +1300, "whats with the weird names?" <n…@ihug.co.nz.no.spam wrote: Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile :
Yotie)
I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting
aspect
of but shrink away from the social side. What are the sporting clubs? Why do you "shrink away" from the social side? Do you feel intimidated by them? … feel any sort of hostility from them? … can’t think of anything to say? Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have
attempted
to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people? Good question. What are the things you like to talk about? Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room
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introduce myself to a girl. You will have to face that fear sooner or later, so why not sooner, rather than later? Solitary Soul – http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/ —————————————————– If you can act convincingly, they’ll never know the difference. - Captain Obvious
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Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really
Hmm…. Okay, this going to be a fairly harsh critique of your ad. If you’re sensitive, tune out now. Your tagline reads: " i might act like a dork somtimes but i can make a real woman feel like a real woman if you would just give me a chance " Two problems. First, you call yourself a dork. That’s only cute when cute young women do it. Second, "make a real woman feel like a real woman" might as well read, "You think you’re a real woman? You ain’t shit until you hop into my bed and PROVE it!" Maybe not what you had in mind, but that’s what a lot of women are going to take from it. It sounds like a sexual challenge. " turn-ons: No Answer sense of humor: No Answer " It looks weird that these have no answer. Surely you have selection criteria and a sense of humor? " i like to go to parties clubs concerts and just have as much fun as posiable i like playing my guitar alot love singing and i love to just get out and do stuff to have fun and live life sweet " True or not: 1) it sounds like you’re bullshitting, and 2) it sounds like all the other ads from guys (who are bullshitting). " im looking for a girl to no complain alot " This makes it sound like you’re looking for a woman to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen makin’ you a sammich.
how do i learn how to talk to people?
Get into situations where you’re forced to. Teach, volunteer, get a part time job as a cashier, etc. Eventually you’ll learn to stop giving a shit how you come off. If you come off great, great. If you come off terribly, so what? There’s so many people in the world, your chances of making a good impression on some of them are pretty high as long: 1) you’re willing to let it, and 2) your sample size exceeds a single digit.
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Forget women for awhile. You’re likely a ways away from the point where you can be successful. Don’t agree with me? Are you really sure? Are you confident that there’s something about you that’s rare that there should be a woman who wants you for it? Then go sell yourself. Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)
A positive post like this is like a good shot of caffeine in the morning.
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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to be 2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.
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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to
be
2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.
My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.
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Darkfalz wrote:
My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse.
[shudder] Ye gods! That’s the spirit, big guy. MCMLXVI’s Fortune Cookies: "If at first you don’t succeed, redefine success."
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1997 new years resolution: this is the year i am going to find my self a girlfriend 1998 18th birthday: at university, ive got to lose my virginity this year 1999 at work,yeah ok fellas, now you know the truth so stop hasseling me 2000 anytime now 2001 2002 this is bollocks, sigh, someone will come my way if it was meant to be 2003 ive run out of ideas. Match.com profile and two dates that were best forgotten, both a real confidence shatterer and im basically a wreck now. tearing myself apart in private and im mentally going downhill fast. I have always been shy but i seem to be getting worse at the whole social thing. Any suggestions how i can get back before i crack completely and wander off into the bush.
Forget women for awhile. You’re likely a ways away from the point where you can be successful. Don’t agree with me? Are you really sure? Are you confident that there’s something about you that’s rare that there should be a woman who wants you for it? Then go sell yourself. Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.)
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wrote in message <news:3F7EC492.3080801@earthlink.net… Darkfalz wrote: My timeline is remarkably similar. My advice – just give up. At least you won’t feel so shitty for repeatedly failing. Women are selfish, shallow and cruel and even if you could get one to love you, which is to say love your money or whatever else superficial you had to offer, odds are she’d end up making you even worse. [shudder] Ye gods! That’s the spirit, big guy.
My timeline is similar, too, just a few years prior to yours. Time goes on and nothing changes for the shy person. Even when I got the chance, I couldn’t act on it, too afraid.
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<<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to concentrate on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
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Thats the thing though, i have a good job well paid. im satisfied with my body. i enjoy doing interesting things on every weekend (sailing, mtbing, gliding) i’m intelligent (bugger the modesty). (match.com profile : Yotie) I am a member of two sports clubs which i really enjoy the sporting aspect of but shrink away from the social side. Also have a big bag full of lonliness. and so since i feel like i have enough material possesions i have attempted to conquer my final shortcoming with disasterous results feel like i have everything except a soul sometimes how do i learn how to talk to people? Alcohol would make me coma out before it would make me walk across a room to introduce myself to a girl. "The Putt King" <theputtk…@aol.com
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<<Spend quite a lot of time, maybe a year or two, focusing on improving yourself, and living a life you consider interesting, and aren’t ashamed to tell people about. What do you really want to do on weekends? Make it happen. If you’re not happy with your body, fix that. If you’re not employed, get employed. If you don’t like your clothes, fix that too. If you can’t talk to people, force yourself to learn. You can allow yourself to feel depressed and like complaining sometimes, but don’t make it chronic. Focus more on things you can do right now, and have some contempt for long term planning. (And especially plans for tomorrow, rather than right now.) That’s good advice. About 4 years ago I decided to do what you suggested. I haven’t made any attempt whatsoever to find a girlfriend in that time. I decided to
concentrate
on enjoying my life and doing all the stuff I wanted.
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