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If seroxat weans off

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sylvain, (&FJ if you’re reading this) been out of town for almost a week, hence the delayed reply. i switched to lexapro at the instigation of my female companion, to reduce the well-known sexual side-effect. in my case, the sexual side-effect was greatly reduced in fact.

  That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med?

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  That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med?

Usually you should be able to cut down one med and up the other at the same time but discuss it with your shrink.

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wrote in message <news:3f5b685f$1@news.swissonline.ch… FJ wrote:   That the sexual sideeffects are reduced so much compared th seroxat    is good news to me. This is what I’m after, a lessening of sideeffects   and the same benefits anxiety wise. Could you make an immediate   shift between the two meds or did you have to cut down the milligrams   slowly and then start on the new med? Usually you should be able to cut down one med and up the other at the same time but discuss it with your shrink.

i actually stopped taking the paxil completely & switched to lexapro the day after i got some. i wasn’t as worried about that as i perhaps should have been, because several times before i had missed one dose of paxil–but made sure i never missed two in consecutive days–and missing one dose didn’t affect me greatly, just made me a little edgy.

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i actually stopped taking the paxil completely & switched to lexapro the day after i got some. i wasn’t as worried about that as i perhaps should have been, because several times before i had missed one dose of paxil–but made sure i never missed two in consecutive days–and missing one dose didn’t affect me greatly, just made me a little edgy.

At times I get all sad if I only miss my Effexor dose by a few hours. At other times I can miss it completely for a day and don’t notice. It’s weird.

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"FJ" <F@J wrote in message news:3f4e34ac$0$19384$d40e179e@nntp05.dk.telia.net… If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.   Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore? FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage for SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I don’t believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do so. You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain.

or you could try 30mg before going to 40mg, trying for a little better mileage. :) i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

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i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

 How did Lexapro woork for you, compared to seroxat?

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> > news:3f4e34ac$0$19384$d40e179e@nntp05.dk.telia.net… > > > > If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick > > > > I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. > > > > Sylvain. > > >   Hi Sylvain! > > >   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again,

untill the   med doesn’t work anymore? FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage

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SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I

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believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do

so.

You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain. or you could try 30mg before going to 40mg, trying for a little better mileage. :)

Yitwail. Yes, of course he could. I tried it myself, but it hardly made any difference. Going to 40 Mg did the trick.

i took 30mg for a few years before switching to lexapro. thing to remember about SSRI is that dosage isn’t always linear, meaning doubling the dose doesn’t necessarily double the effect, which can either more than double or increase more moderately, so trial and error is worthwhile.

Agreed. I have 2 questions: Why did you stop at 30 Mg of Paroxetine (Paxil, Seroxat), and start with Lexapro (Escitalopram) rather than going with Celexa (Citalopram)? I won’t carry on with this thread after this message. Sylvain

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wrote in message <news:YI_3b.3132$FZ3.672264@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net… I have 2 questions: Why did you stop at 30 Mg of Paroxetine (Paxil, Seroxat), and start with Lexapro (Escitalopram) rather than going with Celexa (Citalopram)? I won’t carry on with this thread after this message. Sylvain

sylvain, (&FJ if you’re reading this) been out of town for almost a week, hence the delayed reply. i switched to lexapro at the instigation of my female companion, to reduce the well-known sexual side-effect. in my case, the sexual side-effect was greatly reduced in fact. otherwise, i haven’t noticed any significant medical difference between 30mg paxil & 10mg lexapro. lexapro does cost a bit more in the copayment required by my medical insurance.

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If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.

  Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore?

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If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.   Hi Sylvain!   Does this mean that you have to raise the milligrams again and again, untill the   med doesn’t work anymore?

FJ. According to the manufacturer; 20 Mg is the minimum therapeutic dosage for SP, and 50 Mg is the maximum. If you get no improvement on 40 Mg, I don’t believe that there’s much point raising it to 50 Mg. It’s 60 Mg max. for OCD, by the way. I would urge you to stick with Seroxat as long as possible, as you just don’t know how the other meds. will work with you. On the other hand, if you want badly enough to change, by all means do so. You could try Celexa (Cipramil, Citalopram) first. Sylvain.

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Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.

   Thanks for the answer, but do you think that a change will lessen the SP more than the weaned off seroxat

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Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.    Thanks for the answer, but do you think that a change will lessen the SP more than the weaned off seroxat

Hard to say, really. They all fight SP to some extent but their effectiveness is highly dependent on the individual. Effexor works quite nicely for me and simply fantastic when it comes to my depression.

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

FJ. If you’re on 20 Mg, a raise to 40 Mg should do the trick I’ve been on Seroxat (Paxil) for 5-6 years. Sylvain.

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

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    I have a feeling that seroxat (after having worked a year) not is as effective anymore. Is it possible that change to another med would work!

Pretty much all modern anti depressants (SSRI and the newer stuff) should work.

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Bipolar 2 and Self-Injury

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Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group.  Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. — Yvonne

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck :) Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying. No problem :) It sounds like you’ve got a good case worker. I also thought you should stop taking the Wellbutrin, but would never give out that advice on-line. Let us know how it goes. BTW – Wellbutrin made me wildly manic within a couple of hours of taking it for the first time. Hilaire WOW! For years I thought I was weird, have had many similar circumstances and at that time I was undiagnosed and manic. Whew, it was good to hear another woman stating that the same stuff happened with her. Definitely do something about the meds, you can’t go through life wrapped in gauze and afraid to talk to men for fear of the repercussions. Sounds like you have a very supportive husband girl, it takes a lot for our men to stay through the worst, but the best will come. My best to you and yours, Tanja

when taking wellbutrin,i was irritable(imagine that)so that my case manager thretened to resign.& i was flirtatious(to say how successful might be embarassing).what you’re experiencing might be related to medications,or you could be getting a bit hypo- or manic.I’m bd 1 but the effects are similiar,some enjoyable.Harry("not well")

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck :) Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying.

No problem :) It sounds like you’ve got a good case worker. I also thought you should stop taking the Wellbutrin, but would never give out that advice on-line. Let us know how it goes. BTW – Wellbutrin made me wildly manic within a couple of hours of taking it for the first time. Hilaire

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck :) Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying. No problem :) It sounds like you’ve got a good case worker. I also thought you should stop taking the Wellbutrin, but would never give out that advice on-line. Let us know how it goes. BTW – Wellbutrin made me wildly manic within a couple of hours of taking it for the first time. Hilaire WOW! For years I thought I was weird, have had many similar circumstances

and at that time I was undiagnosed and manic. Whew, it was good to hear another woman stating that the same stuff happened with her. Definitely do something about the meds, you can’t go through life wrapped in gauze and afraid to talk to men for fear of the repercussions. Sounds like you have a very supportive husband girl, it takes a lot for our men to stay through the worst, but the best will come. My best to you and yours, Tanja

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck :)

Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying. — Yvonne

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To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck :) Hilaire

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God Does Exists

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As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand. Do you mean the word creation …. well maybe. If you mean biblical creation – nonsense! Biblical Creation and evolution can go hand in hand by a scientific stand point to tie up the "theory of evolutions" loose ends that scientists cannot explain.  All one has to do is to use all knowledge of mankind at his disposal, without throwing out a vast amount of it, dismissing it as fairy tales and fallasies.

Creationism and ToE can go hand in hand, but wont be accepted by any one with a scientific mind. You don’t supply answers for the holes. YOU SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH not what makes you feel complete. Scientists are comfortable with the holes, more to work on. Scientists aren’t comfortable with half- assed answeres to questions with realy truth behind them. One cannot be truthfully explained without the other. Science has done quite well explaing things without needing (or finiding evidence for) a god! Science is as baffled at this Creation and evolution thing today as it was a hundred years ago.  Many scientists, who are Christian, are turning to the Bible for answers to loose ends in the "theory of evolution".

Because those "scientists" are cowards — can’t accept reality (that we are still ignorant). Not having answers to all of the questions does not make creationism true. It means more must be discovered, not fabricated. If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever. Bull shit! Science has answers — plenty of them. Science has many loose ends that cannot be explained without God or the Biblical history.

Can not be explained by ignorant fearfull theists who *need* god inorder to live a good life. Science does not have ALL the answers, and never will.

Does that make god or you religion true? NO!!!!!!! Because it dismisses too many facts leaving a lot of unanswered questions and loose ends that cannot be explained any other way except with God.

How did earth form? — god. How did Columbus find the americas? — god. How does my computer work? — god. How did I find my keys this morning? — god. Just because I may not know how my computer works, the earth formed, or how I found my keys doesn’t mean that god did it. It means that I am not knowledgable or rational enough to conclude an intelligent answer. And the same goes for humanity in general. We can’t explain everythign (as you pointed out many times) and the reason is because we are still too ignorant and have not found the answers, not that god is responsible. Science is STILL based in reality, facts and evidence; creationism is still based in fables and fairy tales. With a mentality like this, it is a wonder you made it out of Kindergarten.

Rather than ridculing, point out where his logic is wrong. And, by the way, his logic is not wrong. Creationsim has no evidence, it has NEVER been witnessed anywhere, ever. It has less credibility than evolution. (here is the point where you respond with one of your pointless pseudo- insults rather than addressing the issue)

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Why, my friend, are you waiting for your next athesistic laugh?  You appear to live and devote your entire life to making jokes, so I would guess that you are.

Don’t try to make judgments about someone’s "entire life" based on a few USENET posts.  It makes you look ridiculous. Jon

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You obviously don’t understand human nature very well. I understand human nature better than YOU will ever know.

How do you know? I might have a degree in sociology or philosophy. Maybe I have been to dozens of countrys or studied anthropolgy under eminent professors and philosophers. You don’t know so don’t assume that I can’t know as much, or more, about human nature than you do. (*christian arrogance* : I know best) Evolution is a fact of reality for life, planetary formation, and the development of the universe. The "theory of evolution", which it still is, is still chopped up with many holes like swiss cheese, and remains to have too many unanswered questions in it.

I didn’t use evolution in the context of human evolution. I used it to represent the process of change. There is a process to the formation of planets, solar systems, minerals and life. You can’t disagree that formation has a process can you? Evolution is merely change, thats all. And I already have a clue from what you have written that you are not very familiar with scientific procedures. A theory, as it is used in the SCIENTIFIC sense is a formula or construct that has successfuly stood up to all tests, but has not found the single piece of proof that makes it a law. Simliar to proving a mathematical formula. Some formulas can describe a set of numbers from x to any number you care to crunch. But since numbers go to infity you cant say that since the fromula works for the first billion numbers it must work for all. Same with evolution. Everything that we can test it with, genetics, diseases, speciation, etc.. it stands up to it. But since no one was around 100million years ago we can’t say for certain evolution worked the same way then. We can say though that from this poitn on evolution seems to work. I have studied evolution for a few years now, under intellgient professors, and all of these holes you speak of are not realy there. These holes are only visible to ignorant uneducated people. Once you have studied evolution you not just find it to be logical but rather mundane in its process. (I am not implying that you are uneducated or ignorant in these matters and I really don’t care.) If evolution was accepted by everyone then creationism will become a fairy tale. Creation will never become a fairy tale to anyone except the atheists who seek to destroy humanity at all costs.

Creationism will become a fairy tale once people stop believing in it. Just as Zeus, Ra and all of those old world gods have become. Once there is no one to believe in somethign it no longer exists. And on my weekends I, sit in a dark room clutching a glass of brandy planing world domination… give me a break man. Atheists aren’t trying to destroy humanity, every religion, every culture has individuals who cause negative repricussion on society. If you really wish to single out atheists as if EVER ONE OF THEM wanted to take away your freedoms and destroy your culture then give me a half an hour and I will be able to pull up a hundred sources saying the same about any religion. I recomend we do not go down this path of blame.. it never gets us anywhere. Our spontaneous creation by god is the fundamental cornerstone of christianity and many other religions. If we no longer were intentionally created, but instead evolved from other life forms, religions would completely loose any foundation it may have. This is why there is such resistance to evolution, not that it requires creationsim, but people are too scared to be wrong. Another reply that is wrought with loopholes and falasies using methods that still have work to be done to prove the atheist theory that the "theory of evolution" is the key to the beginnings of the human race.

Please point out my loopholes in the previous paragraph. I will break it down for you to make it simpler. 1. Creationsim is a foundation of Christianity (True / False)? 2. Evolution says creationsim is b.s. and we evolved from simpler life             forms (True / False)? 3. IF EVOLUTION IS TRUE then we are no longer spontaneously created by god.             (True / False)? 4. If our existence is nothing more than chance, then we have no more             purpose than any other creature (True / False)? 5. If we are no longer special then christianity will loose its strongest             cornerstone (True / False)? You still haven’t proven a thing.

I never had any intention to prove anything. Do you?

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You obviously don’t understand human nature very well. I understand human nature better than YOU will ever know.  I have lived it as well as studied the human mind from the best perspective that one can study anything.  So believe what you will, it is your right in a free society.

Huh.  What exactly is the best perspective that one can study anything? It seems to me that someone convinced that their perspective is "best" probably doesn’t have much interest in perspective at all. Evolution is a fact of reality for life, planetary formation, and the development of the universe. The "theory of evolution", which it still is, is still chopped up with many holes like swiss cheese, and remains to have too many unanswered questions in it.

Therein lies its beauty. For some reason, people are attracted to neat little answers that can be expressed in sound bites.  But if an answer is too easy, it’s probably not true. The theory of evolution doesn’t boil down to a sound bite.  It’s an ongoing, fluid attempt to answer questions about the origin of different species on Earth. These issues are not simple. Ancient Greeks believed lightning could be explained in a sound bite: "Zeus is throwing bolts from the sky."  It turned out that lightning was the result of incredibly complex electrical dynamics between the earth and suspended clouds of water vapor, which I am at a loss to explain fully. Research into this matter continues today: the Japanese have built a supercomputer the likes of which has never been seen, dedicated to running large-scale weather and geological simulations. In the middle ages, another prevailing belief was also a sound bite: "The heavens rotate around the earth."  No dice.  Galileo observed that orbits did not follow this pattern.  Kepler attempted to devise a system of mathematics to describe planetary motion.  It was on the right track, but wrong.  Newton attempted further explanation, which proved insightful but incomplete.  Einstein’s theories of general relativity, years after his death, proved useful in explaining certain orbital anomalies.  Research into orbits and gravitation continues today: NASA is engaged in a study of gravitational libration points – often-unstable areas where gravitational forces cancel each other out and leave a net sum of zero. I am unwilling to believe that the sound bite: "God created all the animals and humans as they are" could have any more validity than those.  The origin of life, and the origin of species, are incredibly complex issues, which deserve our full attention and study. Attempts to reduce evolution to a sound bite, like "Species evolve through natural selection" or "Man descended from monkeys", mistakenly render it as ridiculous as any other sound bite.  That’s not what evolution is about. Evolution is about inductive research: gather evidence, form theories, test those theories.  It is an ongoing, incomplete process. If evolution was accepted by everyone then creationism will become a fairy tale. Creation will never become a fairy tale to anyone except the atheists who seek to destroy humanity at all costs.

That’s not really a fair statement: those atheists I know are dedicated to preserving humanity at all costs.  Some creationists, on the other hand, are eagerly anticipating the end of the world. Our spontaneous creation by god is the fundamental cornerstone of christianity and many other religions. If we no longer were intentionally created, but instead evolved from other life forms, religions would completely loose any foundation it may have. This is why there is such resistance to evolution, not that it requires creationsim, but people are too scared to be wrong. Another reply that is wrought with loopholes and falasies using methods that still have work to be done to prove the atheist theory that the "theory of evolution" is the key to the beginnings of the human race. You still haven’t proven a thing.

I think, in life, you will find that it’s nearly impossible to prove anything at all. But that doesn’t give us carte blanche to write our own stories and ignore the world around us. Jon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found the following a long time ago and could not help but read it again to better understand why God exists.  After looking at the world around me, it is obvious because man needs all the help he can get to not blow up the world for his own pleasur like a little child with a temper tantrum.  And going out on our own away from God, that is exactly what we have become; little children with a bad temper and a lust for all the possessions we can get.  Well, happy reading and I hope this helps someone out there find a new understanding of who Jesus is and why God does exists. … When will you publish your next paper, Doctor Freud? Why, my friend, are you waiting for your next athesistic laugh?  You appear to live and devote your entire life to making jokes, so I would guess that you are.

He’s got to do something during this LONG wait for one of you creationist assholes to present ANY valid evidence to support your claims!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you’re looking for proof that God exists in the Bible, forget it! If you search for a thing from the wrong POINT OF VIEW, you will never prove a thing.  Try a different approach.  This philosophy goes along with anything in life, and not limited to religious nature.  I will let your intelligent and scientific mind find that approach for yourself.  It is the only fair thing to do in order to keep you from feeling utterly USELESS.  God is truly beyond our human comprehension, and to box in, narrowly define and limit God to a book is totally asinine. Man, in all of his infinite wisdom, has already tried to place God in a box, with little success, I might add to the point of limiting him in almost every aspect of human life.  God is still in control of this world, whether we care to believe or not. Let me picture it this way for you.  If Jesus had come off of the cross at Calvary by divine power, what would the world be doing today?

            Getting beaten like DOGS by Him….. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Ponder over this question for a while and get back with me.  Emails welcome, and are subject to use by me in whatever way that I see fit. Deletion is possible. So – since you cannot prove god exists, there is no valid reason to assume god exists! So, my friend, have you proven that God doesn’t exist?  That is the other question I pose tonight.  You have yet to do so in any form whatsoever, except to argue over trivial things because you appear to enjoy it. Oh, by the way, God is only unprovable to those who cannot, or will not believe. Shalom, Bill But the Bible is God’s Word for us to live by. You haven’t proven god exists – so any claims about the bible are meaningless! You have not proven that God doesn’t exist, so any claims that your infinite wisdom have presented are TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. Good night, and may God bless your life forever. Edgar

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Unscientific, non-reality based opinion.

Yes, that is exactly where your mentality has lead you. Christianity and the belief in Creation is very scientific if looked about in the right way. How? Banging your head agasint the wall for a day, and then taking a double dose of LSD? You can only look at science in a scientific way!

A pity.  Limited mentality in your case is very dangerous.  How much LSD have you taken in a lifetime?  There might be a few missing or dead brain cells. As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand. Do you mean the word creation …. well maybe. If you mean biblical creation – nonsense!

Biblical Creation and evolution can go hand in hand by a scientific stand point to tie up the "theory of evolutions" loose ends that scientists cannot explain.  All one has to do is to use all knowledge of mankind at his disposal, without throwing out a vast amount of it, dismissing it as fairy tales and fallasies. One cannot be truthfully explained without the other. Science has done quite well explaing things without needing (or finiding evidence for) a god!

Science is as baffled at this Creation and evolution thing today as it was a hundred years ago.  Many scientists, who are Christian, are turning to the Bible for answers to loose ends in the "theory of evolution". If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever. Bull shit! Science has answers — plenty of them.

Science has many loose ends that cannot be explained without God or the Biblical history. Science does not have ALL the answers, and never will.

Because it dismisses too many facts leaving a lot of unanswered questions and loose ends that cannot be explained any other way except with God. Science is STILL based in reality, facts and evidence; creationism is still based in fables and fairy tales.

With a mentality like this, it is a wonder you made it out of Kindergarten.  Today, that age old debate still rages on, and on, and on. The debate is over. Unfortunately that does not stop ignorance from trying to spread.

As long as atheists and non-believers persist, ignorance will persist in the world, and scientific questions will go unanswered forever. When you take away a part of history, gaps begin to form, and holes in theories keep them as that, just theories. We will never fully understand until we accept reality that God does exist in this universe and all around us. I will accept that reality the moment you PROVE that reality! You haven’t, you won’t, you can’t! You can no more prove YOUR god than the acient Romans and Greeks could prove their multiple gods!

And I will except your reality the moment you can PROVE your theories without you eliminating many facts of human history.  It still hasn’t been done by the all-knowing, all-powerful atheists and non-believers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW….there is a born again, fundamentalist christian in the White  House who, it appears, is just like the arrogant, selfish and uncontrollable child you  describe. Funny, I know that G.W. is a Christian, and to my belief has handled this crisin we are in quite well. I assume you mean crisis. He CREATED this crisis, by handling a situation like a moron! he is no longer concerned (interested?) in bin Laden (the man who caluse the tragedy) and is now trying to engage us in an invasion of a nation that has little, if anything, to do with 9/11!

And if you have concrete proof of this, then why don’t you excercise your rights in this nation and head up an impeachment procedure to remove him from office.  With your infinite wisdom, you do know that you can do that?  Of course you did.   Even better than I believed at first as he rushed off to start a war.  But he has not blasted Iraq out of existence because he knows that Saddam is waiting for him or someone to do just that so he can pounce like a waiting cat stalking its prey.  Saddam wants the US to go rushing in blindly bombing Iraq and the innocent peoples so he can look very good in the eyes of the world.  If you cannot see this, you are blind as a bat. Iraq has nothing to do qith 9/11. It is ENTIRELY a Bush corrupt, incompetent, political move!

And you have concrete proof of this?  We are dealing with a maniac in this little nation of Iraq that would sell his own grandmother for a buck, and a chance to remain in power, as would many Americans, if not all.  Do you have concrete proof that he was NOT supplying weapons to terrorists factions of the Muslim religion of Islam?  If so, present it.  I am sure the state department, as well as the president would like to see it as well, or are you as a Darwinian evolutionist used to hiding, withholding, destroying, or discarding the facts?  Bush and his administration have handled this situation very well despite how it started out. So why is he no longer interested in the man that caused the death of thousands of Americans?

And you have privy information on the inside of his mind that the rest of us are not privy to?  Enlighten us so we can believe too. If war is to be, then it has to be and will be time, but no sooner, or not a minute later.  Read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.  If you have a Bible, look it up and read it.

You can acquire a Bible at any retail store, book store, or library. It would be a useful tool for you to broaden your search for the truth. War does not have to be … that’s deranged. You bible quotes mean nothing!

The Bible is God’s plan, our guide, and a book that is good for discipline, wisdom, finances, moral values, history, psychology, families, education, medical, and much, much more.  You should try reading it sometimes.  A lot of your questions and falasies in your beliefs could be answered.  The loopholes that you believe in could become closed, and your intelligence might be greatly improved. So you see, God has allowed mankind a time for everything that is under heaven. What god? You haven’t proven ANY god!

 I took the liberty of writing this for you all to see it for yourself and that I am not making it up. No one accused you of making up the bible; just that the bible (YOUR religous beliefs) are based on fables and fairy tales – not fact!

are just fairy tales?  Interesting.  The kingdoms and peoples that existed in the past, and the past in general, are all just fairy tales.  An interesting concept of our World History, you should write silently I smile with a smirking grin! I have given you the scriptures to view it for yourselves which is a very good practice rather than taking ones word for it as many people in our history have done due to illiteracy which reigned supreme and gave many religious leaders power to control their lives for a long, long time. Your "scriptures" mean nothing! They are a part of your religion – not the real world!

Christ and Christianity are as much a part of the real world as dinosaurs, man, and all that is in it.  Your philosophy is so full of holes that it can never possibly hold water (or anything else).  I see you didn’t post the scriptures, but you left the place where they could be found in the only book that has withstood the test of time. God does exist, and if you open your eyes, ears, and mind, you can see him too, in all of his glory.  Happy reading and may God richly bless you for doing this. My eyes, ears and mind are always open … to evidence. You have none; only religious babbling!

As is your babbling about things that you cannot prove.  My eyes, ears, and mind are too always open to everything and not just bits and pieces I choose for my own.  I am open to science, Creation, Evolution, God, Heaven, Hell, witchcraft and occult, and much, much more, because I believe that all of it plays a vital part of our human history and ancestry.  Atheists and non-believers, however, discard and dismiss parts of it and thus limits our history, knowledge, and understanding.  Atheists are as the Liberals of our democratic society here in America.  They only see what they wish to see, and dismiss the rest as "fairy tales". That blows your whole delusion to bits! It does nothing to anything as you have not yet proven that God doesn’t exist. You haven’t shown one shred of evidence god does exist! The burden is yours.

A typical atheistic cop out.  The burden also rest upon yourself.  You have an infinite wisdom, use it without deleting the facts of history and removing them from the eyes and ears of our children to prove that God doesnt’ exist.  Until I see it, I will always believe that GOD DOES EXIST regardless of what fractured evidence you might present Of course you can’t, so I don’t have to worry.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Try giving the real Jesus a try and step away from your denominalational Jesus.  You will see the difference for once in your life.  I did, and he has helped me through some of the toughest times of my life.  You also cannot explain away the miracles that still happen today as we go through this life.  So give God a try

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You obviously don’t understand human nature very well. I understand human nature better than YOU will ever know.  I have lived it as well as studied the human mind from the best perspective that one can study anything.  So believe what you will, it is your right in a free society. Evolution is a fact of reality for life, planetary formation, and the development of the universe. The "theory of evolution", which it still is, is still chopped up with many holes like swiss cheese, and remains to have too many unanswered questions in it. If evolution was accepted by everyone then creationism will become a fairy tale. Creation will never become a fairy tale to anyone except the atheists who seek to destroy humanity at all costs. Our spontaneous creation by god is the fundamental cornerstone of christianity and many other religions. If we no longer were intentionally created, but instead evolved from other life forms, religions would completely loose any foundation it may have. This is why there is such resistance to evolution, not that it requires creationsim, but people are too scared to be wrong. Another reply that is wrought with loopholes and falasies using methods that still have work to be done to prove the atheist theory that the "theory of evolution" is the key to the beginnings of the human race. You still haven’t proven a thing.

Neither have you. Cosmopolite God delights in diversity.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you’re looking for proof that God exists in the Bible, forget it! God is truly beyond our human comprehension, and to box in, narrowly define and limit God to a book is totally asinine. So – since you cannot prove god exists, there is no valid reason to assume god exists! Shalom, Bill But the Bible is God’s Word for us to live by. You haven’t proven god exists – so any claims about the bible are meaningless!

I second this one

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Unscientific, non-reality based opinion. Christianity and the belief in Creation is very scientific if looked about in the right way.  As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand.  One cannot be truthfully explained without the other.  If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever.  Today, that age old debate still rages on, and on, and on.  We will never fully understand until we accept reality that God does exist in this universe and all around us.

I thout the age old question was   Wich came first the chican or the egg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW….there is a born again, fundamentalist christian in the White House who, it appears, is just like the arrogant, selfish and uncontrollable child you describe. Funny, I know that G.W. is a Christian, and to my belief has handled this crisin we are in quite well.  Even better than I believed at first as he rushed off to start a war.  But he has not blasted Iraq out of existence because he knows that Saddam is waiting for him or someone to do just that so he can pounce like a waiting cat stalking its prey.  Saddam wants the US to go rushing in blindly bombing Iraq and the innocent peoples so he can look very good in the eyes of the world.  If you cannot see this, you are blind as a bat.  Bush and his administration have handled this situation very well despite how it started out.  If war is to be, then it has to be and will be time, but no sooner, or not a minute later.  Read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.  If you have a Bible, look it up and read it. 1.  "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. 2.  A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3.  A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4.  A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5.  A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain form embracing; 6.  A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away. 7.  A time rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8.  A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." So you see, God has allowed mankind a time for everything that is under heaven.  I took the liberty of writing this for you all to see it for yourself and that I am not making it up.  I have given you the scriptures to view it for yourselves which is a very good practice rather than taking ones word for it as many people in our history have done due to illiteracy which reigned supreme and gave many religious leaders power to control their lives for a long, long time. God does exist, and if you open your eyes, ears, and mind, you can see him too, in all of his glory.  Happy reading and may God richly bless you for doing this. That blows your whole delusion to bits! It does nothing to anything as you have not yet proven that God doesn’t exist.  Try giving the real Jesus a try and step away from your denominalational Jesus.  You will see the difference for once in your life.  I did, and he has helped me through some of the toughest times of my life.  You also cannot explain away the miracles that still happen today as we go through this life.  So give God a try through Jesus Christ.

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If you’re looking for proof that God exists in the Bible, forget it!

If you search for a thing from the wrong POINT OF VIEW, you will never prove a thing.  Try a different approach.  This philosophy goes along with anything in life, and not limited to religious nature.  I will let your intelligent and scientific mind find that approach for yourself.  It is the only fair thing to do in order to keep you from feeling utterly USELESS.  God is truly beyond our human comprehension, and to box in, narrowly define and limit God to a book is totally asinine.

Man, in all of his infinite wisdom, has already tried to place God in a box, with little success, I might add to the point of limiting him in almost every aspect of human life.  God is still in control of this world, whether we care to believe or not. Let me picture it this way for you.  If Jesus had come off of the cross at Calvary by divine power, what would the world be doing today?  Ponder over this question for a while and get back with me.  Emails welcome, and are subject to use by me in whatever way that I see fit. Deletion is possible. So – since you cannot prove god exists, there is no valid reason to assume god exists!

So, my friend, have you proven that God doesn’t exist?  That is the other question I pose tonight.  You have yet to do so in any form whatsoever, except to argue over trivial things because you appear to enjoy it. Oh, by the way, God is only unprovable to those who cannot, or will not believe. Shalom, Bill But the Bible is God’s Word for us to live by. You haven’t proven god exists – so any claims about the bible are meaningless!

You have not proven that God doesn’t exist, so any claims that your infinite wisdom have presented are TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. Good night, and may God bless your life forever. Edgar

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Unscientific, non-reality based opinion. Christianity and the belief in Creation is very scientific if looked about in the right way.  As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand.  One cannot be truthfully explained without the other.  If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever.  

You obviously don’t understand human nature very well. Evolution is a fact of reality for life, planetary formation, and the development of the universe. If evolution was accepted by everyone then creationism will become a fairy tale. Our spontaneous creation by god is the fundamental cornerstone of christianity and many other religions. If we no longer were intentionally created, but instead evolved from other life forms, religions would completely loose any foundation it may have. This is why there is such resistance to evolution, not that it requires creationsim, but people are too scared to be wrong.

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I found the following a long time ago and could not help but read it again to better understand why God exists.  After looking at the world around me, it is obvious because man needs all the help he can get to not blow up the world for his own pleasur like a little child with a temper tantrum.  And going out on our own away from God, that is exactly what we have become; little children with a bad temper and a lust for all the possessions we can get.  Well, happy reading and I hope this helps someone out there find a new understanding of who Jesus is and why God does exists. … When will you publish your next paper, Doctor Freud?

Why, my friend, are you waiting for your next athesistic laugh?  You appear to live and devote your entire life to making jokes, so I would guess that you are.

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You obviously don’t understand human nature very well.

I understand human nature better than YOU will ever know.  I have lived it as well as studied the human mind from the best perspective that one can study anything.  So believe what you will, it is your right in a free society. Evolution is a fact of reality for life, planetary formation, and the development of the universe.

The "theory of evolution", which it still is, is still chopped up with many holes like swiss cheese, and remains to have too many unanswered questions in it. If evolution was accepted by everyone then creationism will become a fairy tale.

Creation will never become a fairy tale to anyone except the atheists who seek to destroy humanity at all costs. Our spontaneous creation by god is the fundamental cornerstone of christianity and many other religions. If we no longer were intentionally created, but instead evolved from other life forms, religions would completely loose any foundation it may have. This is why there is such resistance to evolution, not that it requires creationsim, but people are too scared to be wrong.

Another reply that is wrought with loopholes and falasies using methods that still have work to be done to prove the atheist theory that the "theory of evolution" is the key to the beginnings of the human race. You still haven’t proven a thing.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unscientific, non-reality based opinion. Christianity and the belief in Creation is very scientific if looked about in the right way.  As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand.  One cannot be truthfully explained without the other.  If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever.  Today, that age old debate still rages on, and on, and on.  We will never fully understand until we accept reality that God does exist in this universe and all around us. BTW….there is a born again, fundamentalist christian in the White House who, it appears, is just like the arrogant, selfish and uncontrollable child you describe. Funny, I know that G.W. is a Christian, and to my belief has handled this crisin we are in quite well.  Even better than I believed at first as he rushed off to start a war.  But he has not blasted Iraq out of existence because he knows that Saddam is waiting for him or someone to do just that so he can pounce like a waiting cat stalking its prey.  Saddam wants the US to go rushing in blindly bombing Iraq and the innocent peoples so he can look very good in the eyes of the world.  If you cannot see this, you are blind as a bat.  Bush and his administration have handled this situation very well despite how it started out.  If war is to be, then it has to be and will be time, but no sooner, or not a minute later.  Read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.  If you have a Bible, look it up and read it. 1.  "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. 2.  A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3.  A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4.  A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5.  A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain form embracing; 6.  A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away. 7.  A time rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8.  A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." So you see, God has allowed mankind a time for everything that is under heaven.  I took the liberty of writing this for you all to see it for yourself and that I am not making it up.  I have given you the scriptures to view it for yourselves which is a very good practice rather than taking ones word for it as many people in our history have done due to illiteracy which reigned supreme and gave many religious leaders power to control their lives for a long, long time. God does exist, and if you open your eyes, ears, and mind, you can see him too, in all of his glory.  Happy reading and may God richly bless you for doing this. That blows your whole delusion to bits! It does nothing to anything as you have not yet proven that God doesn’t exist.  Try giving the real Jesus a try and step away from your denominalational Jesus.  You will see the difference for once in your life.  I did, and he has helped me through some of the toughest times of my life.  You also cannot explain away the miracles that still happen today as we go through this life.  So give God a try through Jesus Christ. Please explain the " miracles " that are mentioned above. Cosmopolite God delights in diversity.

Miracles are the christians way of spells and wichcraft but they say it is richas and thusfore Good

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you’re looking for proof that God exists in the Bible, forget it! God is truly beyond our human comprehension, and to box in, narrowly define and limit God to a book is totally asinine. Shalom, Bill But the Bible is God’s Word for us to live by.  It is a guidebook, a book of discipline, a history book, a psychology book, as well as a book of prophesy that explains things that many an adult cannot fathom or come anywhere close to understanding.  Why?  Because most seculiar humans are looking at God from a worldly point of view without ever knowing him personally.  In this way, he becomes ever elusive seeking out only those who believe by faith and ask Jesus for forgiveness of their sins, for it is this man Jesus who has bridged the gap between God and man over the great divide of sin that separates the two. Without him, despite what many atheists, wiccans, and non-believers would say, no one will see the Father in heaven. Thank you for your time in allowing me to respond to this post.  May God bless you in your life forever.

the bible is nothing more than a fictianal noval created buy people with a need to hide ther lust for money ,power,and pleshur

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Unscientific, non-reality based opinion. Christianity and the belief in Creation is very scientific if looked about in the right way.

How? Banging your head agasint the wall for a day, and then taking a double dose of LSD? You can only look at science in a scientific way! As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand.

Do you mean the word creation …. well maybe. If you mean biblical creation – nonsense! One cannot be truthfully explained without the other.

Science has done quite well explaing things without needing (or finiding evidence for) a god! If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever.

Bull shit! Science has answers — plenty of them. Science does not have ALL the answers, and never will. Science is STILL based in reality, facts and evidence; creationism is still based in fables and fairy tales.  Today, that age old debate still rages on, and on, and on.

The debate is over. Unfortunately that does not stop ignorance from trying to spread. We will never fully understand until we accept reality that God does exist in this universe and all around us.

I will accept that reality the moment you PROVE that reality! You haven’t, you won’t, you can’t! You can no more prove YOUR god than the acient Romans and Greeks could prove their multiple gods! BTW….there is a born again, fundamentalist christian in the White House who, it appears, is just like the arrogant, selfish and uncontrollable child you describe. Funny, I know that G.W. is a Christian, and to my belief has handled this crisin we are in quite well.

I assume you mean crisis. He CREATED this crisis, by handling a situation like a moron! he is no longer concerned (interested?) in bin Laden (the man who caluse the tragedy) and is now trying to engage us in an invasion of a nation that has little, if anything, to do with 9/11!   Even better than I believed at first as he rushed off to start a war.  But he has not blasted Iraq out of existence because he knows that Saddam is waiting for him or someone to do just that so he can pounce like a waiting cat stalking its prey.  Saddam wants the US to go rushing in blindly bombing Iraq and the innocent peoples so he can look very good in the eyes of the world.  If you cannot see this, you are blind as a bat.

Iraq has nothing to do qith 9/11. It is ENTIRELY a Bush corrupt, incompetent, political move!  Bush and his administration have handled this situation very well despite how it started out.

So why is he no longer interested in the man that caused the death of thousands of Americans? If war is to be, then it has to be and will be time, but no sooner, or not a minute later.  Read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.  If you have a Bible, look it up and read it.

War does not have to be … that’s deranged. You bible quotes mean nothing! So you see, God has allowed mankind a time for everything that is under heaven.

What god? You haven’t proven ANY god!  I took the liberty of writing this for you all to see it for yourself and that I am not making it up.

No one accused you of making up the bible; just that the bible (YOUR religous beliefs) are based on fables and fairy tales – not fact! I have given you the scriptures to view it for yourselves which is a very good practice rather than taking ones word for it as many people in our history have done due to illiteracy which reigned supreme and gave many religious leaders power to control their lives for a long, long time.

Your "scriptures" mean nothing! They are a part of your religion – not the real world! God does exist, and if you open your eyes, ears, and mind, you can see him too, in all of his glory.  Happy reading and may God richly bless you for doing this.

My eyes, ears and mind are always open … to evidence. You have none; only religious babbling! That blows your whole delusion to bits! It does nothing to anything as you have not yet proven that God doesn’t exist.

You haven’t shown one shred of evidence god does exist! The burden is yours.  Try giving the real Jesus a try and step away from your denominalational Jesus.  You will see the difference for once in your life.  I did, and he has helped me through some of the toughest times of my life.  You also cannot explain away the miracles that still happen today as we go through this life.  So give God a try through Jesus Christ.

The very moment you provide evidence! and don’t even think about that insane crap that I have to try it first in order to believe! All that says is I have to be brainwashed into learning that what I’m being brainwashed about is true!

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I found the following a long time ago and could not help but read it again to better understand why God exists.  After looking at the world around me, it is obvious because man needs all the help he can get to not blow up the world for his own pleasur like a little child with a temper tantrum.  And going out on our own away from God, that is exactly what we have become; little children with a bad temper and a lust for all the possessions we can get.  Well, happy reading and I hope this helps someone out there find a new understanding of who Jesus is and why God does exists.

Unscientific, non-reality based opinion. BTW….there is a born again, fundamentalist christian in the White House who, it appears, is just like the arrogant, selfish and uncontrollable child you describe. That blows your whole delusion to bits!

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If you’re looking for proof that God exists in the Bible, forget it!  God is truly beyond our human comprehension, and to box in, narrowly define and limit God to a book is totally asinine. Shalom, Bill

But the Bible is God’s Word for us to live by.  It is a guidebook, a book of discipline, a history book, a psychology book, as well as a book of prophesy that explains things that many an adult cannot fathom or come anywhere close to understanding.  Why?  Because most seculiar humans are looking at God from a worldly point of view without ever knowing him personally.  In this way, he becomes ever elusive seeking out only those who believe by faith and ask Jesus for forgiveness of their sins, for it is this man Jesus who has bridged the gap between God and man over the great divide of sin that separates the two. Without him, despite what many atheists, wiccans, and non-believers would say, no one will see the Father in heaven. Thank you for your time in allowing me to respond to this post.  May God bless you in your life forever.

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Unscientific, non-reality based opinion.

Christianity and the belief in Creation is very scientific if looked about in the right way.  As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand.  One cannot be truthfully explained without the other.  If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever.  Today, that age old debate still rages on, and on, and on.  We will never fully understand until we accept reality that God does exist in this universe and all around us. BTW….there is a born again, fundamentalist christian in the White House who, it appears, is just like the arrogant, selfish and uncontrollable child you describe.

Funny, I know that G.W. is a Christian, and to my belief has handled this crisin we are in quite well.  Even better than I believed at first as he rushed off to start a war.  But he has not blasted Iraq out of existence because he knows that Saddam is waiting for him or someone to do just that so he can pounce like a waiting cat stalking its prey.  Saddam wants the US to go rushing in blindly bombing Iraq and the innocent peoples so he can look very good in the eyes of the world.  If you cannot see this, you are blind as a bat.  Bush and his administration have handled this situation very well despite how it started out.  If war is to be, then it has to be and will be time, but no sooner, or not a minute later.  Read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.  If you have a Bible, look it up and read it. 1.  "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. 2.  A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3.  A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4.  A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5.  A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain form embracing; 6.  A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away. 7.  A time rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8.  A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." So you see, God has allowed mankind a time for everything that is under heaven.  I took the liberty of writing this for you all to see it for yourself and that I am not making it up.  I have given you the scriptures to view it for yourselves which is a very good practice rather than taking ones word for it as many people in our history have done due to illiteracy which reigned supreme and gave many religious leaders power to control their lives for a long, long time. God does exist, and if you open your eyes, ears, and mind, you can see him too, in all of his glory.  Happy reading and may God richly bless you for doing this. That blows your whole delusion to bits!

It does nothing to anything as you have not yet proven that God doesn’t exist.  Try giving the real Jesus a try and step away from your denominalational Jesus.  You will see the difference for once in your life.  I did, and he has helped me through some of the toughest times of my life.  You also cannot explain away the miracles that still happen today as we go through this life.  So give God a try through Jesus Christ.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unscientific, non-reality based opinion. Christianity and the belief in Creation is very scientific if looked about in the right way.  As mentioned before, Creation and evolution go hand in hand.  One cannot be truthfully explained without the other.  If it were so, then one or the other would have overtaken the world with little or know question whatsoever.  Today, that age old debate still rages on, and on, and on.  We will never fully understand until we accept reality that God does exist in this universe and all around us. BTW….there is a born again, fundamentalist christian in the White House who, it appears, is just like the arrogant, selfish and uncontrollable child you describe. Funny, I know that G.W. is a Christian, and to my belief has handled this crisin we are in quite well.  Even better than I believed at first as he rushed off to start a war.  But he has not blasted Iraq out of existence because he knows that Saddam is waiting for him or someone to do just that so he can pounce like a waiting cat stalking its prey.  Saddam wants the US to go rushing in blindly bombing Iraq and the innocent peoples so he can look very good in the eyes of the world.  If you cannot see this, you are blind as a bat.  Bush and his administration have handled this situation very well despite how it started out.  If war is to be, then it has to be and will be time, but no sooner, or not a minute later.  Read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.  If you have a Bible, look it up and read it. 1.  "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. 2.  A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3.  A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4.  A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5.  A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain form embracing; 6.  A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away. 7.  A time rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8.  A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." So you see, God has allowed mankind a time for everything that is under heaven.  I took the liberty of writing this for you all to see it for yourself and that I am not making it up.  I have given you the scriptures to view it for yourselves which is a very good practice rather than taking ones word for it as many people in our history have done due to illiteracy which reigned supreme and gave many religious leaders power to control their lives for a long, long time. God does exist, and if you open your eyes, ears, and mind, you can see him too, in all of his glory.  Happy reading and may God richly bless you for doing this. That blows your whole delusion to bits! It does nothing to anything as you have not yet proven that God doesn’t exist.  Try giving the real Jesus a try and step away from your denominalational Jesus.  You will see the difference for once in your life.  I did, and he has helped me through some of the toughest times of my life.  You also cannot explain away the miracles that still happen today as we go through this life.  So give God a try through Jesus Christ.

Please explain the " miracles " that are mentioned above. Cosmopolite God delights in diversity.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found the following a long time ago and could not help but read it again to better understand why God exists.  After looking at the world around me, it is obvious because man needs all the help he can get to not blow up the world for his own pleasur like a little child with a temper tantrum.  And going out on our own away from God, that is exactly what we have become; little children with a bad temper and a lust for all the possessions we can get.  Well, happy reading and I hope this helps someone out there find a new understanding of who Jesus is and why God does exists. Saturday, March 8, 2003: Devotional: Orderliness in our Christian life: Science and Creation together as one: an old concept in a new light: To the Christian, Creation reveals God’s wisdom and power and orderliness. The study of science provides a means for us to get a glimpse of His unfathomable wisdom. The Bible says, "The works of the Lord are great, studied by all who have pleasure in them" (Psalm 111:2). Finding pleasure in the works of God is a legitimate, pure motivation to pursue the study of science. By contrast a humanist, atheist, or agnostic, and non-believer typically looks at science as a means of showing that God is not needed. He next assumes that since God is not needed that it is irrational to believe that He does exist. The scientific method is simply a process which earlier scientists developed in an effort to qualify the order that they observed in the universe. It consists of: 1) developing models, such that the models describe how the universe normally behaves, 2) testing the models in an experiment in order to determine the scopes of their validities, and then 3) modifying the models as necessary to make them more consistent with the observations. Thus, the scientific method is limited to providing us with information in the form of descriptions and measurements. It does not tell us the underlying reasons for anything. The Bible teaches that God is a God of order and not confusion. As a scientist looks at Creation, he not only recognizes orderliness in the structure of things, but his entire system is founded and dependent on its existence. Even the modern field of "chaos theory" is dependent upon observed events which are chaotic from man’s perspective but which still have certain characteristic qualities which render them capable of analysis. Thus, the Christian sees the orderliness of the universe as an outward expression of God’s innate orderliness. In one sense, science does not have the tools to determine this: there is no tool or instrument which can measure the boundaries of Deity, by the very definition of Deity. Yet, science is not necessarily completely silent on the issue either. Let’s consider the origin of life, which the Bible presents as among the greatest of God’s works. I believe that if an attempt is made to reduce the origin of life to purely natural, "scientific" causes, one ends up with nothing but dead ends and contradictions. This may not be what is typically taught by atheists within the science community, but I will attempt to justify this position over the next several chapters. Let’s suppose we can indeed show that one runs into dead ends and contradictions whenever he attempts to explain the origin of life through natural means exclusively, apart from intervention by God. Then we would be left with the only rational explanation for life being that God is its source. This in turn would imply that He exists. Furthermore, the Bible teaches that God considers this to be a valid argument. Therefore, a person should be very, very cautious about discarding it, particularly before he considers carefully the evidence. "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the expanse of heaven shows the work of His hands" (Psalm 19:1). "Let everything that has breath praise the Lord"  (Psalm 150:6). . I hope this is helpful to anyone who is struggling with the age old debate of science and religion Creation and Evolution.  It can be easily explained if one does not discard any valuable information such as we already know.  This valuable information includes the theories that have come before us by the very scientists and theologists who have gone on now to know the truth.  They were the forerunners of our own understanding of the universe in which we live whether they were Christian or not.  Many still do not believe in the Creation theory, but I have always believed that evolution and Creation can go hand in hand if one accepts the theory of the "order of the universe" and will not discard a valuable variable such as God as fallacy, fantasy, or fairy tales.  When we do this, there is a tendency to create confusion among the population as it would be to discard the variable of evolution.  The two go hand in hand and should be treated as such. "…..For we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly

If you’re looking for proof that God exists in the Bible, forget it!  God is truly beyond our human comprehension, and to box in, narrowly define and limit God to a book is totally asinine. Shalom, Bill

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If you’re looking for proof that God exists in the Bible, forget it! God is truly beyond our human comprehension, and to box in, narrowly define and limit God to a book is totally asinine.

So – since you cannot prove god exists, there is no valid reason to assume god exists! Shalom, Bill But the Bible is God’s Word for us to live by.

You haven’t proven god exists – so any claims about the bible are meaningless!

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I found the following a long time ago and could not help but read it again to better understand why God exists.  After looking at the world around me, it is obvious because man needs all the help he can get to not blow up the world for his own pleasur like a little child with a temper tantrum.  And going out on our own away from God, that is exactly what we have become; little children with a bad temper and a lust for all the possessions we can get.  Well, happy reading and I hope this helps someone out there find a new understanding of who Jesus is and why God does exists.

… When will you publish your next paper, Doctor Freud?

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I found the following a long time ago and could not help but read it again to better understand why God exists.  After looking at the world around me, it is obvious because man needs all the help he can get to not blow up the world for his own pleasur like a little child with a temper tantrum.  And going out on our own away from God, that is exactly what we have become; little children with a bad temper and a lust for all the possessions we can get.  Well, happy reading and I hope this helps someone out there find a new understanding of who Jesus is and why God does exists. Saturday, March 8, 2003: Devotional: Orderliness in our Christian life: Science and Creation together as one: an old concept in a new light: To the Christian, Creation reveals God’s wisdom and power and orderliness. The study of science provides a means for us to get a glimpse of His unfathomable wisdom. The Bible says, "The works of the Lord are great, studied by all who have pleasure in them" (Psalm 111:2). Finding pleasure in the works of God is a legitimate, pure motivation to pursue the study of science. By contrast a humanist, atheist, or agnostic, and non-believer typically looks at science as a means of showing that God is not needed. He next assumes that since God is not needed that it is irrational to believe that He does exist. The scientific method is simply a process which earlier scientists developed in an effort to qualify the order that they observed in the universe. It consists of: 1) developing models, such that the models describe how the universe normally behaves, 2) testing the models in an experiment in order to determine the scopes of their validities, and then 3) modifying the models as necessary to make them more consistent with the observations. Thus, the scientific method is limited to providing us with information in the form of descriptions and measurements. It does not tell us the underlying reasons for anything. The Bible teaches that God is a God of order and not confusion. As a scientist looks at Creation, he not only recognizes orderliness in the structure of things, but his entire system is founded and dependent on its existence. Even the modern field of "chaos theory" is dependent upon observed events which are chaotic from man’s perspective but which still have certain characteristic qualities which render them capable of analysis. Thus, the Christian sees the orderliness of the universe as an outward expression of God’s innate orderliness. In one sense, science does not have the tools to determine this: there is no tool or instrument which can measure the boundaries of Deity, by the very definition of Deity. Yet, science is not necessarily completely silent on the issue either. Let’s consider the origin of life, which the Bible presents as among the greatest of God’s works. I believe that if an attempt is made to reduce the origin of life to purely natural, "scientific" causes, one ends up with nothing but dead ends and contradictions. This may not be what is typically taught by atheists within the science community, but I will attempt to justify this position over the next several chapters. Let’s suppose we can indeed show that one runs into dead ends and contradictions whenever he attempts to explain the origin of life through natural means exclusively, apart from intervention by God. Then we would be left with the only rational explanation for life being that God is its source. This in turn would imply that He exists. Furthermore, the Bible teaches that God considers this to be a valid argument. Therefore, a person should be very, very cautious about discarding it, particularly before he considers carefully the evidence. "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the expanse of heaven shows the work of His hands" (Psalm 19:1). "Let everything that has breath praise the Lord"  (Psalm 150:6). . I hope this is helpful to anyone who is struggling with the age old debate of science and religion Creation and Evolution.  It can be easily explained if one does not discard any valuable information such as we already know.  This valuable information includes the theories that have come before us by the very scientists and theologists who have gone on now to know the truth.  They were the forerunners of our own understanding of the universe in which we live whether they were Christian or not.  Many still do not believe in the Creation theory, but I have always believed that evolution and Creation can go hand in hand if one accepts the theory of the "order of the universe" and will not discard a valuable variable such as God as fallacy, fantasy, or fairy tales.  When we do this, there is a tendency to create confusion among the population as it would be to discard the variable of evolution.  The two go hand in hand and should be treated as such. "…..For we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly

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hey everyone… my doctor finally switched me off of effexor xr to welbrutrin sr… and now i have little bits of me that keep going numb, of i keep getting little jolts of electricity through my body. although these are not painful they are disconcerting. any suggestions? -will

the jolts of electricity sound like Effexor withdrawal. They will disappear with time. Chip

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:hey everyone… :my doctor finally switched me off of effexor xr to welbrutrin sr… : :and now i have little bits of me that keep going numb, of i keep getting :little jolts of electricity through my body. although these are not painful :they are disconcerting. : :any suggestions? :-will Dear Will, Did you stop effexor cold turkey? Effexor is known for withdrawals. Electric shock type sensations can be withdrawal symptoms. There is also the possibility that this is a side-effect of wellbutrin. It can be hard to know what is causing this being you stopped taking one med and started a new med all at the same time. What dose of wellbutrin did you start at? Why are you taking the wellbutrin, anxiety and/or depression? You might want to give your doctor a call about this, maybe something can be done to alleviate this symptom. Take care! Jackie ~*~Confusion never stops, closing walls and ticking clocks Come back and take you home, I could not stop, that you now know Come out upon my seas, curse missed opportunities Am I a part of the cure, or am I part of the disease~*~      ~Coldplay~

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hey everyone… my doctor finally switched me off of effexor xr to welbrutrin sr… and now i have little bits of me that keep going numb, of i keep getting little jolts of electricity through my body. although these are not painful they are disconcerting. any suggestions? -will

Hi Will –  a lot has been written about Wellbutrin (bupropion) on this newgroup over the years. In general, it’s thought that Wellbutrin is not a good med for treating anxiety disorders. One or two people here have done ok on it, but it’s a stimulating anti-depressant, and it has a lot of side-effects, which include increased anxiety – it sounds as though that might be what you’re experiencing in those symptoms. They could also possibly be related to the switch from Effexor (venlafaxine). Are you taking a benzo? That could help to alleviate the symptoms – but you need to talk to your doctor again, I think. -David-

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hey everyone… my doctor finally switched me off of effexor xr to welbrutrin sr… and now i have little bits of me that keep going numb, of i keep getting little jolts of electricity through my body. although these are not painful they are disconcerting. any suggestions? -will

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How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"

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Dan: I am 51, and while I stopped taking meds this fall, I was previously on Celexa 20 mg for 3 years and Paxil 20 mg and then 30 mg for one year. – Anne

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"

I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and  often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"

I’m 57, and have been on the TCA dothiepin (prothiaden) for some years – though recently discontinued it, and have felt no ill effect from that: therapy alone is now enough for me. Before the TCA, I was on Paxil, which didn’t agree with me – too many side effects. If I needed an AD again, I would go back to dothiepin. -David-

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Hi Dan! I’m 57 and I’ve been on Paxil for about 4 – 5 years.  I only require 10 mg.  I seem to be very sensitive to meds, but I don’t know if it’s due to age or not.  Even that amount, combined with .5 mg Ativan twice a day makes me lethargic. Dot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit" I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and  often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip Thanks Philip, Is that "imipramine" the generic name or the other name form.

It’s the generic name. Most common brand name: *Tofranil*. I should buy a medical book to look these up.

You can find them on the net at Arthur’s excellent dictionary at http://www.anxiety-panic.com Is it taken daily and in what measurements does it come.

Here the smalles dosage is 25 mg (and I also mean the pill is so small that one can hardly cut it in half). In the US tabs 0f 10 mg are available. It is taken daily, like with all AD’s it’s a matter of finding out whether taking it in the AM or in the PM agrees best with you. I actually take part of it in the AM and part of it in the PM, don’t really remember why ;-) Like all TCA’s is has a large therapeutic window, from 75 mg to, say, 225 mg. Too high TCA doses are toxic though which angain is individual and can, if necessary, being measured by blood work. (Just as a side note, my regular MD, told me yesterday–that I sould ask my psycharist to switch me to another medicine, when I told him I was no lonfer taking celexa-because of excessive sleepiness).

If that sleepiness bothers you too much it may be a good idea. I am going to ask my Pdoc about it–but I’m not so sure he’ll put me on it anyway.

Another good choice may be Effexor, a newer med which, like TCA’s but in a somewhat different way, targets both serotonin and norepinephrine receptors. The different types of doctors–if they do one thing–it is protect their territory–when you ask for a med. change.

I have been rather lucky in this dept. as my pdoc actually agreed to my own choice of meds. Also you MAY be right about age making no difference, but if so–then it’s one of those very RARE things where age doesn’t count.

This is a big *YMMV*, I was strictly talking about myself. Medication for the elderly (but we’re not yet there when we are in our fifties or early sixties IMO) can sometimes be different (as in smaller benzo doses, for instance, or no TCA’s when having cardiovascular problems etc.etc.) Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you?

Zoloft for anxiety and depression, Ativan when needed, and Concerta to keep me peppy. Take care, Liz

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So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. I’m 58 and started Zoloft for depression 10 years ago (when I was 48). My dose of Zoloft depends on whether I am depressed or not. I also take a TCA called desipramine to boost the effects of the Zoloft. Zoloft works well for me. I take Klonopin for anxiety/panic/agoraphobia. Chip

Thank you each and every one . As for zoloft–I just could not take that–it kept me awake. Celexa–the opposite. Basically–I can use xanax for attacks of anxiety–with no problem, but I would definately like to try something else. Good suggestions here–will he write me something different is the question.

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I am posting this for LM being his post never showed up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ubject: If You are at least 50 Years of age and on anti-depressants How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"

the only time age is a factor in prescribing any medication is if the patient is geriatric in nature, or has some compromised abilities in metabolizing some types of drugs-usually the longer half life drugs like valium, klonopin and prozac etc… other then that profile of patient and drug are used as a methodology for prescribing LM ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~

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Thanks Philip, Is that "imipramine" the generic name or the other name form. I should buy a medical book to look these up. Is it taken daily and in what measurements does it come. (Just as a side note, my regular MD, told me yesterday–that I sould ask my psycharist to switch me to another medicine, when I told him I was no lonfer taking celexa-because of excessive sleepiness). I am going to ask my Pdoc about it–but I’m not so sure he’ll put me on it anyway. The different types of doctors–if they do one thing–it is protect their territory–when you ask for a med. change. Also you MAY be right about age making no difference, but if so–then it’s one of those very RARE things where age doesn’t count. Thanks much for your comment.

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So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here.

I’m 58 and started Zoloft for depression 10 years ago (when I was 48). My dose of Zoloft depends on whether I am depressed or not. I also take a TCA called desipramine to boost the effects of the Zoloft. Zoloft works well for me. I take Klonopin for anxiety/panic/agoraphobia. Chip

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effexor withdrawal – why so bad?

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The standard answer I’ve encountered is that effexor withdrawal is bad *because* effexor has such a short half-life. At best, this is only part of the answer. For example, a carefull 2 week taper can mimic the decay curve of a drug with a 2 week half-life, but a 2 week taper is manifestly not enough for effexor. Why not? One idea I had is that perhaps there is a phenomenon called "kindling" involved. This is the idea that going through an even minor drug withdrawal in some way predisposes the central nervous system to undergo more severe withdrawals from the same drug in the future. This phenomenon is pretty well established in the case of alcohol, where it is alcoholics who have already gone through a number of detoxes who are most at risk for developing DTs. Maybe the shorter half-life of effexor means that your body is constantly going through mini-withdrawals and setting you up for a really big withdrawal in the future. The only problem with this theory that I see is that it would seem to suggest that effexor xr has less of a withdrawal problem than regular effexor, but I don’t think that this is the case. Any ideas? -scattered

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No ideas, but one remedy I’ve heard for Effex withdrawl is to take a Prozac along with it as you taper. Prozac is the opposite in that it stays in the system for weeks and weeks and helps the process… Only hearsay however.. Experience, anyone?

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hya scattered half lives, etc reminds me too much of chemistry and physics, so i will avoid responding to that one (plus i dont have a scooby)! I know that any time I’ve tried to come off the normal efexor i’ve had terrible feelings of being physically ill and weird nightmares, anxiety and more severe agoraphobia. It’s funny, cos I’m on weekly prescriptions of efexor (due to recurrent OD’s) and my GP has threatened to stop prescribing it to me.  Would he be that cruel ? Does he not know how bad coming off efexor is?  Perhaps he’s just bluffing to scare me into behaving myself. Anyway, it might have something to do with the half life.  I will ask my GP on Thursday and see what he has to say.  Not sure he’ll be able to enlighten me, but I can but try.  I’ll update you if he says anything interesting. lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The standard answer I’ve encountered is that effexor withdrawal is bad *because* effexor has such a short half-life. At best, this is only part of the answer. For example, a carefull 2 week taper can mimic the decay curve of a drug with a 2 week half-life, but a 2 week taper is manifestly not enough for effexor. Why not? One idea I had is that perhaps there is a phenomenon called "kindling" involved. This is the idea that going through an even minor drug withdrawal in some way predisposes the central nervous system to undergo more severe withdrawals from the same drug in the future. This phenomenon is pretty well established in the case of alcohol, where it is alcoholics who have already gone through a number of detoxes who are most at risk for developing DTs. Maybe the shorter half-life of effexor means that your body is constantly going through mini-withdrawals and setting you up for a really big withdrawal in the future. The only problem with this theory that I see is that it would seem to suggest that effexor xr has less of a withdrawal problem than regular effexor, but I don’t think that this is the case. Any ideas? -scattered

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << The standard answer I’ve encountered is that effexor withdrawal is bad *because* effexor has such a short half-life. At best, this is only part of the answer. For example, a carefull 2 week taper can mimic the decay curve of a drug with a 2 week half-life, but a 2 week taper is manifestly not enough for effexor. Why not? This is THE answer to why Effexor has such a bad "withdrawal" as some call it. It is indeed due to Effexor’s short half life. All the antidepressants which have very short half lives tend to have a bad withdrawal. Paxil is even shorter than Effexor and Paxil has a notorious "withdrawal." As Effexor has this short half life, this means it exits your body at high speed which hurts and results in "Effexor withdrawal." One idea I had is that perhaps there is a phenomenon called "kindling" involved. This is the idea that going through an even minor drug withdrawal in some way predisposes the central nervous system to undergo more severe withdrawals from the same drug in the future. This phenomenon is pretty well established in the case of alcohol, where it is alcoholics who have already gone through a number of detoxes who are most at risk for developing DTs. Maybe the shorter half-life of effexor means that your body is constantly going through mini-withdrawals and setting you up for a really big withdrawal in the future. The only problem with this theory that I see is that it would seem to suggest that effexor xr has less of a withdrawal problem than regular effexor, but I don’t think that this is the case. No, your "kindling" theory is bullshit. That has nothing to do with antidepressant withdrawal.

From the expert sophists mouth, so just drop the idea, Eric does not like it.  The fact that the kindling idea is a theory as promising as the one which supports the use of SSRI’s is of no interest to Eric. On the other hand other people are willing to entertain such ideas, not necessarily accept them, but surely consider them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The main reason is due to the short half lives some of these ADs have. Notice that Prozac has an extremely long half live and nobody ever complains of a bad withdrawal when they go off Prozac. Voila…there you go.

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<< The standard answer I’ve encountered is that effexor withdrawal is bad *because* effexor has such a short half-life. At best, this is only part of the answer. For example, a carefull 2 week taper can mimic the decay curve of a drug with a 2 week half-life, but a 2 week taper is manifestly not enough for effexor. Why not? This is THE answer to why Effexor has such a bad "withdrawal" as some call it. It is indeed due to Effexor’s short half life. All the antidepressants which have very short half lives tend to have a bad withdrawal. Paxil is even shorter than Effexor and Paxil has a notorious "withdrawal." As Effexor has this short half life, this means it exits your body at high speed which hurts and results in "Effexor withdrawal."

Thank you for your response. However, it doesn’t address the question of *why* a short half-life produces viscious withdrawal symptoms. If it was simply that the drug left the system so fast that the brain didn’t have time to adjust, then a relatively quick taper should fix the problem. But it doesn’t – so I think that something more must be going on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One idea I had is that perhaps there is a phenomenon called "kindling" involved. This is the idea that going through an even minor drug withdrawal in some way predisposes the central nervous system to undergo more severe withdrawals from the same drug in the future. This phenomenon is pretty well established in the case of alcohol, where it is alcoholics who have already gone through a number of detoxes who are most at risk for developing DTs. Maybe the shorter half-life of effexor means that your body is constantly going through mini-withdrawals and setting you up for a really big withdrawal in the future. The only problem with this theory that I see is that it would seem to suggest that effexor xr has less of a withdrawal problem than regular effexor, but I don’t think that this is the case. No, your "kindling" theory is bullshit. That has nothing to do with antidepressant withdrawal. The main reason is due to the short half lives some of these ADs have. Notice that Prozac has an extremely long half live and nobody ever complains of a bad withdrawal when they go off Prozac. Voila…there you go. Eric

In my view – the kindling theory (not mine, by the way) was an attempt to explain *why* a short half-life leads to such a viscious withdrawal syndrome. I have no formal training in nueroscience, so it was just an educated guess. If you are aware of any research relevant to the question I would be interested in seeing it. After all – why be satisfied with bullshit if genuine knowledge is possible? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any ideas? -scattered Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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Herbs for anxiety

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I’ve taken Valerian and Kava Kava (not together of course) but I am currently on Zoloft for anxiety and panic attacks. I was wondering if there is another herbal treatment. I go to acupuncture but it is not covered by insurance and is very costly. thank you for your time. Faith

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Faith, I am not a doctor, so please consider that carefully when you read my response. I did, however, attend several presentations on how stressors affect the overall body and, specifically, the immune system. I also got quite an education when I was having vasovagal episodes with increasing frequency. There are many things contributing to a stress load that manifests in anxiety and panic attacks. There are three basic types of stressors – physical (injury, illness, fatigue, etc.), chemical (food, drugs, alcohol, blood sugar levels, etc.), and emotional. Each body can handle a maximum combined stress load before it starts showing ‘overstressed’ symptoms. Each type of stress contributes to the total stress load. If two are fine and one is off the charts, symptoms flare. For this reason, it is necessary to keep each of the types of stress as much to a minimum as reasonably possible to lessen the effect of the situation that drives that stress load over the top. When I was having severe anxiety attacks (vasovagal near syncope), I wasn’t ‘cured’ by just taking anti-anxiety medicine. I had to modify my eating, exercise, and sleeping habits AND I had to be removed from the environment that was the major contributor to  the stress. I also had to learn (try to learn) different healthy methods to deal with my stress. Meditation helped a lot. The first anti-anxiety medicine I was given was not helpful, so a second was added to it. The combination was too much, so I eventually wound up using the second medicine with an additional RX for Xanax on as as-needed basis. If I felt an attack coming on, I took a Xanax. In the beginning I was taking the Xanax 3xdaily, but over time it lessened to where I rarely take it at all. But I still carry it in my purse as a backup. I have learned what kinds of situations trigger my anxiety and, as much as reasonably possible, I avoid those situations entirely or at least when I know I am vulnerable to a stress overload (i.e., overtired, hungry, annoyed already). I know your are looking for herbal treatments. Others may have good suggestions for that. If they do, please check with your Dr. or pharmacist for medication interactions and precautions. What I am hoping to supply here is natural as well. Lifestyle changes made the biggest difference for me. If I hadn’t made the changes, no amount of drugs could have gotten me through the experience. Best of luck to you, ccc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve taken Valerian and Kava Kava (not together of course) but I am currently on Zoloft for anxiety and panic attacks. I was wondering if there is another herbal treatment. I go to acupuncture but it is not covered by insurance and is very costly. thank you for your time. Faith

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| 2.  St. John’s Wort – Mild Depression (NOT anxiety) I took it on a regular basis for months, in various available forms. No effect whatsoever. What works against bouts of nervous depression is kava-kava. It is the only herbal psychotropic stuff I have ever tried whose effects can be undeniably FELT. Whether it has healing, rather than only symtomatic properties, and whether is really does induce no tolerance is open to doubt. I take it on and off, not as a treatment. Against sustained depression DHEA definitely worked with me. It may not qualify as a "natural" remedy, however, and its harmlessness is disputed. James

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2.  St. John’s Wort – Mild Depression (NOT anxiety)

Uh… =ahem!=   It most certainly IS listed for treatment for anxiety, as well as depression.  I ain’t gonna spoon-feed you the URL’s. Got to a good search engine or web crawler ( I like Altavista, Hotbot, Google and AskJeeves) and look it up.   Besides,  anxiety is often a symptom of depression!   As Gomer Pyle would say: "Well,  surprise, surpriiiiise!" That man-made crap,  like Zoloft and Paxil,  is for the birds! —   -john "Always listen to experts. They’ll tell you what can’t be done and why. Then do it."    - Robert Heinlein

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I’ve taken Valerian and Kava Kava (not together of course) but I am currently on Zoloft for anxiety and panic attacks.

I would be careful with Zoloft

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Scary!

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How long have you been taking the Zoloft?  And are you taking anything else (such as Xanax)?  I had some of that early on, but I truly believe that it is the interim feeling you get when the Zoloft is fighting anxiety.  In other words, instead of feeling anxious, you feel cloudy. At least that is my experience, because the longer I’ve been on Zoloft and the less often I have felt anxious, the less I have had this problem.  Also, occasionally, when I’ve taken a Xanax for an extra bad day, I feel this way when I come off of it.  Interesting. Best, Charly

I’ve been taking Zoloft for 6 months, and I don’t take anything else…I hardly have any anxiety any more, but this spaciness is freaking me out… Thanks Mandy

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I’ve been on Zoloft for almost six months now, and these feelings started around the same time…..it’s so weird!

Yes, it is. What does your doctor say? Maybe you could try either adding a benzo or switching to another SSRI? Philip (don’t know really) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – MandySince when have you been taking Zoloft? As a rule dissociation is not a SSRI side effect but nothing is impossible. I have found a benzo helps me with dissociative feelings and perceptions. YMMV. Philip

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I posted a while ago about my feelings of unreality….I was wondering if maybe it is partly caused by the Zoloft….I feel like I’m just playing the part or something…It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….I take 200 mg/day…Does anybody know if Zoloft can cause these feelings?  I don’t understand why I feel this way.  It’s almost a constant thing now….I want to feel alive, but I just feel like nothing is real…Like I’m playing a part in some generic B movie or something….HELP! Mandy

hi mandy. I thought that was just of the effects of the anxiety/panic….jeeeezzzz! I don’t take Zoloft (but I like the big Z) – - though I know the "unreality" feeling. Hope your meds don’t cause that! Maybe some adjusting is needed by the doc….hmmm? -take care & good luck!! Z p.s. I usually feel like I’m some bizarre character in a Terry Gilliam movie if ya know what I mean.

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I’ve been on Zoloft for almost six months now, and these feelings started around the same time…..it’s so weird! MandySince when have you been taking Zoloft? As a rule dissociation is not a SSRI – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -side effect but nothing is impossible. I have found a benzo helps me with dissociative feelings and perceptions. YMMV. Philip

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no-archive:yes I posted a while ago about my feelings of unreality….I was wondering if maybe it is partly caused by the Zoloft….I feel like I’m just playing the part or something…It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….I take 200 mg/day…Does anybody know if Zoloft can cause these feelings?  I don’t understand why I feel this way.  It’s almost a constant thing now….I want to feel alive, but I just feel like nothing is real…Like I’m playing a part in some generic B movie or something….HELP! Mandy

How long have you been taking the Zoloft?  And are you taking anything else (such as Xanax)?  I had some of that early on, but I truly believe that it is the interim feeling you get when the Zoloft is fighting anxiety.  In other words, instead of feeling anxious, you feel cloudy. At least that is my experience, because the longer I’ve been on Zoloft and the less often I have felt anxious, the less I have had this problem.  Also, occasionally, when I’ve taken a Xanax for an extra bad day, I feel this way when I come off of it.  Interesting. Best, Charly

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I posted a while ago about my feelings of unreality….I was wondering if maybe it is partly caused by the Zoloft….I feel like I’m just playing the part or something…It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….I take 200 mg/day…Does anybody know if Zoloft can cause these feelings?  I don’t understand why I feel this way.  It’s almost a constant thing now….I want to feel alive, but I just feel like nothing is real…Like I’m playing a part in some generic B movie or something….HELP!

Dear Mandy, Has this symptom only been around since being on zoloft? Your comment *I can`t feel some things*, sounds like you are numb or apathetic. This seems to happen to some people while they are on anti-depressants. I urge you to talk to your doctor about this, perhaps a med change is in order. Take care. Jackie

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I posted a while ago about my feelings of unreality….I was wondering if maybe it is partly caused by the Zoloft….I feel like I’m just playing the part or something…It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….I take 200 mg/day…Does anybody know if Zoloft can cause these feelings?  I don’t understand why I feel this way.  It’s almost a constant thing now….I want to feel alive, but I just feel like nothing is real…Like I’m playing a part in some generic B movie or something….HELP! Mandy

Zoloft can cause feelings of unreality (called depersonalization/derealization), *especially* if your dose has been titrated upwards too rapidly. I’d check with your doc. You may need a  reduction in you Zoloft dose. Also benzos have been quite effective in relieving feelings of unreality I have had. Even in small dosage, such as Xanax 0.25 mg four times per day. Chip Before you buy.

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.It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….

this is different qualitatively then dissociation where you feel outside yourself-one is a ramping down of emotion the other a ramping up-when we dissociate we are purposly excluding ourselves from the present moment to reduce sensory input as a defense an exhaustion-the inability to feel emotions as acutely or as intensly is and can be a side effect of any ad med as they can tend to in some reduce appropriate anxieties as well as reduce specific spontaneous emotional responses-they get slowed down which is how these drugs work to reduce some emotional disturbances-so you may have to clarify what it is you actualy are experiencing LM

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I posted a while ago about my feelings of unreality….I was wondering if maybe it is partly caused by the Zoloft….I feel like I’m just playing the part or something…It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….I take 200 mg/day…Does anybody know if Zoloft can cause these feelings?  I don’t understand why I feel this way.  It’s almost a constant thing now….I want to feel alive, but I just feel like nothing is real…Like I’m playing a part in some generic B movie or something….HELP! Mandy

Since when have you been taking Zoloft? As a rule dissociation is not a SSRI side effect but nothing is impossible. I have found a benzo helps me with dissociative feelings and perceptions. YMMV. Philip

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I find most meditations make me feel that way. I have come to know it is all part of my symptoms of my anxiety disorder. I like to do journalling and meditation to get in touch with my feelings. It definately is unpleasant…I go in and out of unreality feelings and spaceyness quite frequently, especially when I go for walks. I feel like I’m not real and the world around me seems distant. Typical of someone from a traumatic background. Disassociation….I love those moments of clarity much better. I do not suffer as bad as I did, so I keep the hope. (((((HUGS))))) Debbie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted a while ago about my feelings of unreality….I was wondering if maybe it is partly caused by the Zoloft….I feel like I’m just playing the part or something…It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….I take 200 mg/day…Does anybody know if Zoloft can cause these feelings?  I don’t understand why I feel this way.  It’s almost a constant thing now….I want to feel alive, but I just feel like nothing is real…Like I’m playing a part in some generic B movie or something….HELP! Mandy

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I posted a while ago about my feelings of unreality….I was wondering if maybe it is partly caused by the Zoloft….I feel like I’m just playing the part or something…It really scares me sometimes that I can’t FEEL some things….I take 200 mg/day…Does anybody know if Zoloft can cause these feelings?  I don’t understand why I feel this way.  It’s almost a constant thing now….I want to feel alive, but I just feel like nothing is real…Like I’m playing a part in some generic B movie or something….HELP! Mandy

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Effexor, Wellbutrin, Klonopin, Viagra, etc., etc. Help.

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Does anyone think taking 300 mg wellbutrin and 225 mg effexor per day (as prescribed) then taking handfuls of klonopin on the weekend to calm down (not prescribed) is a problem?  I have felt better that ever on the effexor and the wellbutrin and viagra takes care of the sexual problems for me, but weekends are still rough.  I just want to be alone and be numbed. Can anyone relate? I feel like I should be so very grateful, cause I feel better than I ever have before, but I like to play with pills. I’d just like to know I’m not alone in this. Thanks… — I can’t think of a single movie that couldn’t be improved by a lesbian sex scene.

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Does anyone think taking 300 mg wellbutrin and 225 mg effexor per day (as prescribed) then taking handfuls of klonopin on the weekend to calm down (not prescribed) is a problem?  I have felt better that ever on the effexor and the wellbutrin and viagra takes care of the sexual problems for me, but weekends are still rough.  I just want to be alone and be numbed. Can anyone relate? I feel like I should be so very grateful, cause I feel better than I ever have before, but I like to play with pills. I’d just like to know I’m not alone in this. Thanks…

When I was taking 300 mg Effexor and 150 mg Wellbutrin, I had to take Klonopin quite often.  I just got so tense and anxious and sometimes I was really irritable or angry.  Lots of Klonopin helped.  I’m not on the Wellbutrin anymore, and I haven’t had to take the Klonopin recently either. No, you’re not alone. Deb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone think taking 300 mg wellbutrin and 225 mg effexor per day (as prescribed) then taking handfuls of klonopin on the weekend to calm down (not prescribed) is a problem?  I have felt better that ever on the effexor and the wellbutrin and viagra takes care of the sexual problems for me, but weekends are still rough.  I just want to be alone and be numbed. Can anyone relate? I feel like I should be so very grateful, cause I feel better than I ever have before, but I like to play with pills. I’d just like to know I’m not alone in this. Thanks… When I was taking 300 mg Effexor and 150 mg Wellbutrin, I had to take Klonopin quite often.  I just got so tense and anxious and sometimes I was really irritable or angry.  Lots of Klonopin helped.  I’m not on the Wellbutrin anymore, and I haven’t had to take the Klonopin recently either. No, you’re not alone. Deb

I just don’t like benzo’s.  I want to take the whole bottle sometimes. I like the tense and anxious feeling better.  I really do. — I can’t think of a single movie that couldn’t be improved by a lesbian sex scene.

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Newsgroup: I’m hoping you might have some suggestions for me. I have a friend who has had chronic depression most of her life and has been on almost every antidepressant out there. She’s not bipolar. She recently had four ECT treatments and her pdoc took her off all of her meds for that. She definitely sounded more alert being off her meds, but now he put her back on them and she sounds worse than ever. She takes Effexor XR 450 mg. Remeron 45 mg. Zyprexa 10 mg. and Xanax as needed.  This woman is soooo lethargic, fatigued, unmotivated etc. that she just sits and cries. Every medication she takes causes fatigue.  I know because I went through a similar situation with the Effexor XR.  The fatigue from the meds were making me depressed. Anyway, I am accompanying her to see her pdoc on Monday to see if we can get some answers.  Any input on this situation would be greatly appreciated. Glenda

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Glenda, My first question is—why is your friend on Zyprexa if she is depressed and not bipolar, which I assume means that she has never displayed mania?  Zyprexa is major anti-psychotic or "downer." Robert

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Robert: Neuroleptics are sometimes added to AD regimens as augmentation…it helps with uncontrollable suicidal ideation, for instance. One who is there now. Jim "I never had problems with drugs, I had problems with the police." Keith Richards

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<Posted and Mailed to Glenda Newsgroup: I’m hoping you might have some suggestions for me. I have a friend who has had chronic depression most of her life and has been on almost every antidepressant out there. She’s not bipolar. She recently had four ECT treatments and her pdoc took her off all of her meds for that. She definitely sounded more alert being off her meds, but now he put her back on them and she sounds worse than ever. She takes Effexor XR 450 mg. Remeron 45 mg. Zyprexa 10 mg. and Xanax as needed.

If the diagnosis is severe clinical depression, I fail to see why she is taking an antipsychotic. IMO she is way over medicated! I suggest that she get a second opinion ASAP! The Effexor dose is very high as well. Remeron makes many people very sleepy as does Zyprexa and Xanax. This woman is soooo lethargic, fatigued, unmotivated etc. that she just sits and cries.

Considering what she is taking, that is not terribly surprising! Every medication she takes causes fatigue.  I know because I went through a similar situation with the Effexor XR.  The fatigue from the meds were making me depressed. Anyway, I am accompanying her to see her pdoc on Monday to see if we can get some answers.  Any input on this situation would be greatly appreciated.

I suggest that you tell Dr. Mengle adios! What she is taking would turn Robin Williams into a zombie! Glenda

Most sincerely, James D. Milton Standard Medical Disclaimer Any opinions stated should NOT be considered as medical advice! You should confirm any suggestions made with your physician who is solely responsible for prescribing ALL medications and monitoring the patient’s progress. Make NO changes in your prescribed dosages without the approval of your doctor!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroup: I’m hoping you might have some suggestions for me. I have a friend who has had chronic depression most of her life and has been on almost every antidepressant out there. She’s not bipolar. She recently had four ECT treatments and her pdoc took her off all of her meds for that. She definitely sounded more alert being off her meds, but now he put her back on them and she sounds worse than ever. She takes Effexor XR 450 mg. Remeron 45 mg. Zyprexa 10 mg. and Xanax as needed.  This woman is soooo lethargic, fatigued, unmotivated etc. that she just sits and cries. Every medication she takes causes fatigue.  I know because I went through a similar situation with the Effexor XR.  The fatigue from the meds were making me depressed. Anyway, I am accompanying her to see her pdoc on Monday to see if we can get some answers.  Any input on this situation would be greatly appreciated. Glenda

She must rattle so much she makes a good musical instrument.A bit like being a semi comatose member of the percussion family being played by a demented psychiatrist.

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Hi Glenda, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m hoping you might have some suggestions for me. I have a friend who has had chronic depression most of her life and has been on almost every antidepressant out there. She’s not bipolar. She recently had four ECT treatments and her pdoc took her off all of her meds for that. She definitely sounded more alert being off her meds, but now he put her back on them and she sounds worse than ever. She takes Effexor XR 450 mg. Remeron 45 mg. Zyprexa 10 mg. and Xanax as needed.  This woman is soooo lethargic, fatigued, unmotivated etc. that she just sits and cries. Every medication she takes causes fatigue.  I know because I went through a similar situation with the Effexor XR.  The fatigue from the meds were making me depressed. Anyway, I am accompanying her to see her pdoc on Monday to see if we can get some answers.  Any input on this situation would be greatly appreciated.

Perhaps she is overmedicated. It is important that her pdoc be informed of her response to the RX meds. Peace, —

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