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Extreme Thirst

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Sorry to dissapoint you, but the thirst is not from drinking and sixpack doesn’t refer to beer…

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Yes,I am expiriencing that also,but not enough to drink four gallons.I am taking singulair,albuterol,prednisone,Claritin,and Vanceril.

Jamie, It could possibly be from the Prednisone. Prednisone tends to make you retain water. I also drink a lot of fluids. Four gallons of water in a day as the other person stated is a massive amount, but I do consume more than most people. Chrystal

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That is a good suggestion, what intially had thought of, but I went to the doctor a month ago and had a blood work and a urine sample to check everything out because I was and still am having problems with muscle cramps/spasms. Everything came back normal except for a slighty high level of creatine in my body. Any other ideas?

I had a big problem with dehydration before I was diagnosed with asthma. It turns out that untreated (or undertreated) airways inflammation caused you to lose water through respiration at a much greater rate. When I got the asthma under control the dehydration went away. "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, aew-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992

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Have you been tested for diabetes? If not, you should be. Also, it’s true that a person can die from drinking too much of anything, including water. It takes a large amount to kill a person, but it’s possible. See your doctor before it’s too late. Chew some gum. That might help until you have time to get an appointment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had any problems with extreme thirst while taking asthma medications? There are days where I have literally drank over four gallons of water and still felt extremely thirsty. I take serevent, flovent, singulair, and was just recently finished a 10 day course of Prednisone. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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Has anyone had any problems with extreme thirst while taking asthma medications? There are days where I have literally drank over four gallons of water and still felt extremely thirsty. I take serevent, flovent, singulair, and was just recently finished a 10 day course of Prednisone. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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Four gallons is an enormous quantity of liquid for any human to consume in a 24 hour period… could an explanation possibly be associated with your screen name… maybe change it to <iP4gals? <G Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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Excessive thirst and frequent urination are common symptoms of diabetes. I suggest you talk with your doctor about this possibility. -Aleta – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had any problems with extreme thirst while taking asthma medications? There are days where I have literally drank over four gallons of water and still felt extremely thirsty. I take serevent, flovent, singulair, and was just recently finished a 10 day course of Prednisone. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft For Anxiety » Quiz..is this depression or anxiety?

Quiz..is this depression or anxiety?

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Hi, Phil…. What you are describing sounds like generalized anxiety to me… in my humble layman’s opinion. The neck tension.. and the sense of foreboding.. sound like very common symptoms for anxiety. I’m wondering if this has all seemed to start since you went on the Lexapro. If so, it may be something to talk to your doc about. I think the Xanax may help. And it really can’t hurt to try one… or just half of one if you want, to begin with. Take care! MikeH

Mike, RE: "I’m wondering if this has all seemed to start since you went on the Lexapro" No, things are much better with the Lexapro. I was on zoloft for 7 years and it stopped working so I was having much worse anxiety almost all day every day. Panic quite often. What I am experiencing now is pretty mild in comparison, but it still bothers me and sometimes escalates into an attack. It took me 6 months once to wean onto Zoloft before my anxiety went away, so I wonder if I should wait this out or up my dose next week. Lexapro and Zoloft are two different drugs I know… Thanks for helping me pin this down! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". That’s called anticipatory anxiety. I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, IT is anxiety. I’d take a Xanax. but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. Xanax won’t make depression worse. When I’m depressed and take a Xanax, the depression improves. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. If you’re having that much anxiety after 7 weeks, I think you could use an increase to Lexapro 15 mg/day. Chip

Thanks Chip, Do you or anyone know if I do decide to go up to 15mg if the extra 5mg is normally a smooth transition? or do I have a couple weeks of nausea and headaches to look forward to? Thanks again, Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do :get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches :and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad ne". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off :things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. : :Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… : :If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is :definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. :<–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med :phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take anax. Dear Phil, opinion, it sounds like anxiety. Why not take a xanax and see what happens? At the very worst, it won`t help, but there is a good chance that it could alleviate some, maybe a lot…… of this anxiety you are feeling in the evening. Once your evening anxiety levels come down……I bet you will start to enjoy those activities instead of doing them just as a distraction. A long hot shower, a massage and muscle relaxation exercises could really help the tension in your neck and shoulders. Take care and feel better soon Jackie ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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: o you or anyone know if I do decide to go up to 15mg if the extra 5mg is :normally a smooth transition? or do I have a couple weeks of nausea and :headaches to look forward to? Dear Phil, There is no way to predict how you will do side-effect wise if you increase the dose. You could experience some side-effects or it could be painless When I was weaning on paxil, sometimes I had uncomfortable side-effects when I increased my dose and then there were times I felt nothing. You won`t know unless you give it a try. Jackie ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Seems like it depends on the person, Phil. When I went on Zoloft I had 1 month of slight nausea and loss of appatite. I was talking to my mother last night and she said she had no side effects going on Zoloft for anxiety. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, RE: "I’m wondering if this has all seemed to start since you went on the Lexapro" No, things are much better with the Lexapro. I was on zoloft for 7 years and it stopped working so I was having much worse anxiety almost all day every day. Panic quite often. What I am experiencing now is pretty mild in comparison, but it still bothers me and sometimes escalates into an attack. It took me 6 months once to wean onto Zoloft before my anxiety went away, so I wonder if I should wait this out or up my dose next week. Lexapro and Zoloft are two different drugs I know…

Dear Phil, Unfortunately, there’s really no way to know how you will react to upping the dose. With some meds, upping the dose can lessen the side effects. It’s all such a YMMV kinda thing. If your pdoc has said to move up next week, then I would probably go ahead and attempt it. Of course, (and I know of whence I speak, here) if you *think* you are going to have adverse side effects, that increases the chances that you will have extra anxiety. :( It’s not easy being us, is it?? Take care… and keep us posted on what you decide! MikeH — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Sounds like anxiety to me. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell.

I can’t tell either. I stopped trying to figure out which parts of my symptoms are anxiety and which are depression. I just know when I don’t feel right and can describe how I feel and what I’m doing, but I don’t know for sure if something is anxiety or depression caused. It would make more sense to guess that what you are feeling is anxiety but again, I don’t know for sure because it seems to me, for me at least, that I can feel both at the same time sometimes and at other times it feels like one comes first and then leads to the other – with depression being first for me. As I said I just know when I’m feeling anxious but to say that it is all anxiety and not depression, I just don’t know. Geez maybe they are the same thing? Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax.

I’m a med phobic too. For myself, I would take a benzo only if a real bad panic attack was taking place – and I mean a real bad one. From your description it sounds like maybe you are experiencing the

"on the verge of a panic attack" thing. When that happens to me, I do long yoga-type stretches – nothing pretzel-like – just sustained stretching and this works well – it calms me down. And I talk out loud about what is on my mind. I talk to my dog. If he is not listening, I talk out loud anyway. If it is really bad, and my mind is racing and I’m ruminating about things, I say things like "OK wheel in my head that keeps on turning, why don’t you just slow down now." I swear it has worked in the past because you get the sense that you are in more control of this than you thought you were. I remind myself that I am OK too. Give it a try. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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That’s called anticipatory anxiety. I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax,

IT is anxiety. I’d take a Xanax. but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax.

Xanax won’t make depression worse. When I’m depressed and take a Xanax, the depression improves. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg.

If you’re having that much anxiety after 7 weeks, I think you could use an increase to Lexapro 15 mg/day. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Phil, When you speak of the tension in your neck and shoulders that says to me anxiety. I experience this often (usually while driving). Even half of a Xanax could help relieve some of the tension and help with any underlying anxiety. Is your lexapro at a normal dosage for this med? Best wishes. smiles, Elise

Elise, My doc said I might want to go up to 15 mg in a week or so if things aren’t better. I sort of dread that move – not sure if side effects will get worse or not. But thanks for helping to pin down what I’m going through. Phil. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m so sorry you’re feeling like this, Phil. I’m not a doctor so I can’t give you a real diagnosis, but it sounds like anxiety to me. I also get that foreboding feeling too and ask myself why. I can usually come up with a reason, but sometimes I get stumped. Come to find out, there might be something coming up that I have to do and I’ll feel the foreboding a few days earlier. Once in a great while there really isn’t any good reason why I feel that way, but just because there isn’t a *good* reason doesn’t mean there isn’t a reason at all. Hope I didn’t confuse you. :-) I hope you feel better today. Hugs, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil

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I’m not a Dr. nor do I play one on TV, but it sounds like anxiety to me, followed by feeling crappy about the anxiety, which gives you some depression. I’d try using the xanax for what it is prescribed for and see what happens. Tono – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all!

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Phil, this sounds like anxiety to me. It’s almost like an anticipation anxiety. You tend to panic/worry over the fact that you MAY have a bad night. I do this often myself and it goes right to my neck and shoulders! I would definitely take a Xanax and see if it helps. Hugs to you, Gigglz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all!

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil

This is just my opinion, so… When you say "foreboding", "fear of a bad one" and "lot’s of tension" I immediately want to say anxiety. And this is what I think you are experiencing. Also, I’ve never known of anyone complaining of Xanax causing or worsening anxiety. I would suggest you try a Xanax one night and see what happens. At the absolute worst, if it is depression and the Xanax worsens it, you will have one night of a little more depression. If it is anxiety, the Xanax should ease it and you’ll know. Depression is a hard thing to pin down. I realize that I’ve been depressed for a long time and didn’t know it, until it cleared and I saw how I was and how I’d been. Depression is more than just a sadness. It’s a sadness that doesn’t seem to have any purpose, reason or solution. In fact, because depression for me is also a lack of motivation, it’s a sadness that prevents activities that may be a solution, like getting out and having some fun. Depression, again to me, eliminates the desire to acheive. Even to the point of eliminating the desire to fix the depression. It’s an emptiness. A hollow spot that no light enters. I could go on but that wasn’t your question. I think you are experiencing anxiety. Give the Xanax a try and see what happens. David There is seldom reason or sense involved in these matters of love — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Sertraline » pilots license and multiple sclerosis — Canada

pilots license and multiple sclerosis — Canada

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In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. This would be especially true if they have any symptoms or problems with balance or difficulty multitasking and making quick life-and-death decisions because of cognitive effects. PwMS would almost certainly have to appeal to the minister regarding their medical fitness and I doubt whether there would be many exceptions. It is not a matter of money for training or being able to pass a flight test on a good day. The United States is much more liberal in their licensing of aircraft and pilots as evidenced by the many U.S. pilots who would stop at the border between Alaska and the Yukon to fly from Alaska south following the Alaska Highway using road maps instead of proper aeronautical charts. This statement is not third hand but rather based on my personal inspection of many of these aircraft and pilots. Many of these pilots were helicopter pilots in Vietnam. Buying an aircraft from Alaska would guarantee years of headaches and expanse with Transport Canada as many of the aircraft in Alaska are maintained or rebuilt by their owners who are not certified aircraft mechanics keeping very detailed log books of dating from the time of manufacture (often 30 or 40 years) as required in Canada. I checked into it in a lot of detail as I was considering buying a small plane from a friend of mine who as a state trooper in Alaska and had a small airplane with tundra tires and a stall kit for landing in taking off on gravel bars along remote rivers. If you have never been to mainland Alaska, your first observation would probably be all the small aircraft in small fields in the middle of nowhere. I think the airfield is called Taylor Field near Anchorage and I believe that it had around 5000 private aircraft sitting there when I first saw it around 1980. The following are some of the regulations regarding pilots licenses and medical examinations in Canada. Prohibition Regarding Exercise of Privileges 404.06 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no holder of a permit, licence or rating shall exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating if (a) one of the following circumstances exists and could impair the holder’s ability to exercise those privileges safely: (i) the holder suffers from an illness, injury or disability, (ii) the holder is taking a drug, or (iii) the holder is receiving medical treatment; (b) the holder has been involved in an aircraft accident that is wholly or partially the result of any of the circumstances referred to in paragraph (a); (c) the holder has entered the thirtieth week of pregnancy, unless the medical certificate is issued in connection with an air traffic controller licence, in which case the holder may exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating until the onset of labour; or (d) the holder has given birth in the preceding six weeks. Division IV – MedicalMinister’s Assessment 404.11 (1) The Minister shall assess any medical reports submitted pursuant to paragraph 404.17(b) to determine whether an applicant for the issuance or renewal of a medical certificate meets the medical fitness requirements set out in the personnel licensing standards that are necessary for the issuance or renewal of the medical certificate Reconsideration of Assessment 404.12 (1) An applicant for the renewal of a medical certificate who is assessed by the Minister as not meeting the requirements referred to in subsection 404.11(1) may, within 30 days after the date that the applicant receives the notification referred to in subsection 404.11(2), (a) request the Minister to reconsider the assessment; and (b) submit additional information to the Minister regarding the medical fitness of the applicant in support of the request. — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software

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I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying lessons for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget now, but flying is really intriguing to me.

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On 15 Jul 2003 22:18:33 GMT, oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying lessons for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget now, but flying is really intriguing to me.

I can speak only for Canada. I was a pilot when I had my first overt symptom of MS, a case of double vision. I did not receive the official diagnosis for another 11 years but I was grounded immediately. The reason given at the time was that it was unknown what caused the double vision; therefore, it could occur again with sudden onset–I should come back when the cause was known. I received the official diagnosis of MS in 1994 and was told that MS results in immediate and permanent invalidation of my medical certificate, which means I cannot fly as PIC (Pilot In Command) nor can I serve as flight crew. I was pissed off with the grounding in 1983, but given the way the MS progressed I now believe it is a justified precaution on the part of the authorities. I would likely be dead if I had continued to fly and I would have taken any passengers to their deaths with me. With the benefit of hindsight and speaking as a pilot, I now believe that a person with MS should not act as PIC. You might find a little entertainment if you use Google and read the following: Message-ID: <82idqs8m48re7hn2ee1lb7rtc263v4c0k1@4ax.com

— Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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On 15 Jul 2003 22:18:33 GMT, oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses

One of the first things you do is get a check out by an aviation doctor. If you answer the questions truthfully then it is unlikely you will receive a passing medical. — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:06:00 GMT, "white.lynx" <white.l…@telus.net

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In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. This would be especially true if they have any symptoms or problems with balance or difficulty multitasking and making quick life-and-death decisions because of cognitive effects.

And a score of transient things that might happen only occasionally. — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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I had a Class III medical certificate from the FAA before I got sick. Afterwards, I didn’t even try because I knew I would be turned down. Lessons are relatively inexpensive (compared to getting a plane and maintaining it and storing it, etc.). If you make it clear to the instructor that you will never solo or get your license they can take you up just for fun (and it is). I used to say "I don’t want to learn how to fly, I just want to look around and I want to drive." CFIs are fine to take you up for fun, but CFIIs are more qualified. With a Dx of MS, I would not even try for a FAA medical. The thread is about Canada and I am talking about the US. I do not know your level of disability. I doubt I could even physically get into a small plane today. That is not to mention that I would have to land every hour to pee. If you need hand controls to drive a car, I doubt you could fly a plane at all. You need your feet to work the rudder and there are no adaptive devices. There are some planes that the yoke works the rudder automatically. If you are serious, look into those. I forget which planes do that, but a flying school should know. Fred. oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller) wrote in news:20030715181833.29384.00000280@mb-m15.aol.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying lessons for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget now, but flying is really intriguing to me.

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Our David is or was an airplane mechanic, and when his neuro dx’d MS, he told Dave that it was one of the diseases that he had to report. David has not been able to work since — and if a mechanic is prohibited you can be sure that the rules for a pilot would be even more stringent. Gaylan "Jim Carter" <spam.f…@softhome.net

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On 15 Jul 2003 22:18:33 GMT, oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller)

wrote

in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying

lessons

for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to

get

pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget

now,

but flying is really intriguing to me. I can speak only for Canada. I was a pilot when I had my first overt symptom of MS, a case of double

vision.

I did not receive the official diagnosis for another 11 years but I was

grounded

immediately. The reason given at the time was that it was unknown what

caused

the double vision; therefore, it could occur again with sudden onset–I

should

come back when the cause was known. I received the official diagnosis of MS in 1994 and was told that MS

results in

immediate and permanent invalidation of my medical certificate, which

means I

cannot fly as PIC (Pilot In Command) nor can I serve as flight crew. I was pissed off with the grounding in 1983, but given the way the MS

progressed

I now believe it is a justified precaution on the part of the authorities.

I

would likely be dead if I had continued to fly and I would have taken any passengers to their deaths with me. With the benefit of hindsight and

speaking

as a pilot, I now believe that a person with MS should not act as PIC. You might find a little entertainment if you use Google and read the

following:

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I’m a pilot with MS in the U.S. Haven’t even tried to get the medical certificate since my DX several years ago. Balance problems would make me ineligible even if the MS alone wouldn’t. I sure miss flying. By the way, I still have the license, but it is useless without the medical certificate. "white.lynx" <white.l…@telus.net

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In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. This would be especially true if they have any symptoms or problems with balance or difficulty multitasking and making quick life-and-death decisions because

of

cognitive effects. PwMS would almost certainly have to appeal to the minister regarding their medical fitness and I doubt whether there would

be

many exceptions. It is not a matter of money for training or being able

to

pass a flight test on a good day. The United States is much more liberal in their licensing of aircraft and pilots as evidenced by the many U.S. pilots who would stop at the border between Alaska and the Yukon to fly from Alaska south following the Alaska Highway using road maps instead of proper aeronautical charts. This statement is not third hand but rather based on my personal inspection of many of these aircraft and pilots. Many of these pilots were helicopter pilots in Vietnam. Buying an aircraft from Alaska would guarantee years of headaches and expanse with Transport Canada as many of the aircraft in Alaska are maintained or rebuilt by their owners who are not certified aircraft mechanics keeping very detailed log books of dating from the time of manufacture (often 30 or 40 years) as required in Canada. I checked into

it

in a lot of detail as I was considering buying a small plane from a friend of mine who as a state trooper in Alaska and had a small airplane with tundra tires and a stall kit for landing in taking off on gravel bars

along

remote rivers. If you have never been to mainland Alaska, your first observation would probably be all the small aircraft in small fields in

the

middle of nowhere. I think the airfield is called Taylor Field near Anchorage and I believe that it had around 5000 private aircraft sitting there when I first saw it around 1980. The following are some of the regulations regarding pilots licenses and medical examinations in Canada. Prohibition Regarding Exercise of Privileges 404.06 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no holder of a permit, licence or rating shall exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating if (a) one of the following circumstances exists and could impair the

holder’s

ability to exercise those privileges safely: (i) the holder suffers from an illness, injury or disability, (ii) the holder is taking a drug, or (iii) the holder is receiving medical treatment; (b) the holder has been involved in an aircraft accident that is wholly or partially the result of any of the circumstances referred to in paragraph (a); (c) the holder has entered the thirtieth week of pregnancy, unless the medical certificate is issued in connection with an air traffic controller licence, in which case the holder may exercise the privileges of the

permit,

licence or rating until the onset of labour; or (d) the holder has given birth in the preceding six weeks. Division IV – MedicalMinister’s Assessment 404.11 (1) The Minister shall assess any medical reports submitted

pursuant

to paragraph 404.17(b) to determine whether an applicant for the issuance

or

renewal of a medical certificate meets the medical fitness requirements

set

out in the personnel licensing standards that are necessary for the

issuance

or renewal of the medical certificate Reconsideration of Assessment 404.12 (1) An applicant for the renewal of a medical certificate who is assessed by the Minister as not meeting the requirements referred to in subsection 404.11(1) may, within 30 days after the date that the applicant receives the notification referred to in subsection 404.11(2), (a) request the Minister to reconsider the assessment; and (b) submit additional information to the Minister regarding the medical fitness of the applicant in support of the request. — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:09:53 -0400, "Thomas Young" <tomyo…@accesstoledo.com

wrote: By the way, I still have the license, but it is useless without the medical certificate.

Same as Canada. I still have a licence, but it is invalid without the medical.

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In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis.

I have retained my motorcycle racing license since my dx. I did check off the appropriate box in the forms last time I renewed it, and my application had no problems. But flying , I don’t know about that. It’s way to risky.:) — Jim Stinnett http://moto-rama.com

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In addition to the possible dangers to the pilot and his passengers, there is dangers to other airplanes and potential crash sites on the ground. When an aircraft goes missing in Canada, especially in coastal British Columbia, it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to search for it and jeopardizes the lives of the searchers. There is a loophole in the regulations to allow the minister of transport some flexibility, but I can only see it justifiable in the case of a symptom-free individual. I quit driving motor vehicles even though I could probably do it most of the time using hand controls. I know that in a complicated emergency pressure situation I could not respond quickly enough and I did not want to take the chance of killing half of someone else’s family because of my pride and the often used "I need my car" excuse. I suspect that there are many people with multiple sclerosis who should voluntarily quit driving but have not. In British Columbia, Canada you can be tested on a simulator and be taught how to use hand controls. The thing that keeps many people from doing this is that you require a doctor’s referral (he is required by law to report you to motor vehicle branch if he doubts your ability to drive safely), it costs $300 you have to pay yourself and if you fail, it must be reported to motor vehicle branch in order to get you off the road. Most people know when they have crossed the line and become a hazard. They should voluntarily quit driving, although some are in denial. — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software "jim stinnett" <motor…@sbcglobal.net

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> news:YvWQa.12108$Ma.2012737@news1.telusplanet.net… > > In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining > > their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. > I have retained my motorcycle racing license since my dx. I did check off > the appropriate box in the forms last time I renewed it, and my application

had no problems. But flying , I don’t know about that. It’s way to risky.:) — Jim Stinnett http://moto-rama.com

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In addition to the possible dangers to the pilot and his passengers, there is dangers to other airplanes and potential crash sites on the ground.

When

an aircraft goes missing in Canada, especially in coastal British

Columbia,

it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to search for it and jeopardizes the lives of the searchers. There is a loophole in the regulations to allow the minister of transport some flexibility, but I can only see it justifiable in the case of a symptom-free individual. I quit driving motor vehicles even though I could probably do it most of

the

time using hand controls. I know that in a complicated emergency pressure situation I could not respond quickly enough and I did not want to take

the

chance of killing half of someone else’s family because of my pride and

the

often used "I need my car" excuse.

i saw on tv today an older man drove thru a crowd of people, in cali,, it was reported he may have had a stroke or maybe a heart attack,, the question is ,when should you relinquish your driving priveledges?,, how do we determine that time? if this gent had a history of heart condition, maybe his doctor should have the ability to yank their liscences when they show ceretain symptoms or threats of stroke or heart attacks?? if thats what it was. so when should we decide to stop driving , when it puts others at risk,, how do we determine how bad our condition must be to stop driving???, specially with our cognitive symptoms we experience!!!, i have noticed it is gettin hard to say things at times,, getting the words out,, bobD

Response:

Here in the US (WA state) – I had a friend getting her pilot’s license. She was on Zoloft for depression but otherwise completely healthy. The FAA said she had to go off the Zoloft and get a psych note saying she was "stable" and could function w/out the meds. This totally sucked for her but she did it and as soon as she got her license – back on zoloft. ps this was all pre-9/11 jkl

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… Here in the US (WA state) – I had a friend getting her pilot’s license. She was on Zoloft for depression but otherwise completely healthy. The FAA said she had to go off the Zoloft and get a psych note saying she was "stable" and could function w/out the meds. This totally sucked for her but she did it and as soon as she got her license – back on zoloft. ps this was all pre-9/11 jkl

Your friend is asking for big, big trouble. Go to http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp (this is The National Transportation Board site) and ignore all spaces except the one labelled "Enter your word string below:" Put the single word "zoloft" into that space and observe that there are eight hits on the word, each hit representing an accident, most fatal. Here is just one of them. This is the synopsis, full narrative is available at the NTSB site. Please point your friend to this site and have her discontinue either the zoloft or flying. Please. "NTSB Identification: CHI01LA149. The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number DMS. 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Sunday, May 27, 2001 in Kankakee, IL Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/16/03 Aircraft: Geertz Zenith CH 200, registration: N77VZ Injuries: 1 Fatal. The airplane was destroyed on impact with terrain. The pilot was fatally injured. A witness stated, "I watched it start a bank turn to the left and then nosed straight down. There were no other movements of the aircraft after it nosed down. It did not spin while going down. … I could not tell if the engine was running … nor did I notice the propeller. It appeared to me that there was no control of the aircraft after the left bank." The private pilot had 88.9 hours of total flight time and held a third class medical certificate. The pilot listed he used Zoloft and noted no "Mental disorders of any sort … " on the application for that medical certificate. Extracts from the pilot’s personal medical records showed, "…self-discontinued Zoloft 2 weeks ago because of conflict with FAA licensing – patient feels fine off of it. … An entry approximately 6 weeks before the accident indicates "…occasional problem staying asleep – has taken Ambien in past … no problem with concentration … meds – Zoloft 50 mg per day, approximately 3 days per week …" Civil Aeromedical Institute (CAMI) reviewed that application and cautioned the pilot, "Because of your history of anxiety and sleep disturbance, operation of aircraft is prohibited at any time new symptoms or adverse changes occur or any time medication and/or treatment is required." CAMI’s Final Forensic Toxicology Accident Report stated, "SERTRALINE detected in Liver 0.283 (ug/ml, ug/g),DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Liver, and DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Blood." Desmethylsertraline is the predominant metabolite of the antidepressant sertraline, Zoloft. Sertraline, Zoloft is [a] SSRI antidepressant. … ***Warnings – may impair mental and/or physical ability required for the performance of potentially hazardous tasks (e.g.,driving, operating heavy machinery).*** No pre-impact anomalies were found with the airplane. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows: The loss of control on initial climbout for undetermined reasons. Full narrative available"

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Not much worse than an alchoholic who sobers up just to get their drivers liscence renewed "Jim Carter" <jimcar…@gmx.net

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Here in the US (WA state) – I had a friend getting her pilot’s license.

She

was on Zoloft for depression but otherwise completely healthy. The FAA

said

she had to go off the Zoloft and get a psych note saying she was

"stable" and

could function w/out the meds. This totally sucked for her but she did it and as soon as she got her

license -

back on zoloft. ps this was all pre-9/11 jkl Your friend is asking for big, big trouble. Go to http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp (this is The National Transportation Board site) and ignore all spaces except the one labelled "Enter your word string below:" Put the single word "zoloft" into that space and observe that there are eight hits on the word, each hit representing an accident, most fatal. Here is just one of them. This is the synopsis, full narrative is available at the NTSB site. Please point your friend to this site and have her discontinue either the zoloft or flying. Please. "NTSB Identification: CHI01LA149. The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number DMS. 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Sunday, May 27, 2001 in Kankakee, IL Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/16/03 Aircraft: Geertz Zenith CH 200, registration: N77VZ Injuries: 1 Fatal. The airplane was destroyed on impact with terrain. The pilot was fatally injured. A witness stated, "I watched it start a bank turn to the left and then nosed straight down. There were no other movements of the aircraft after it nosed down. It did not spin while going down. … I could not tell if the engine was running … nor did I notice the propeller. It appeared to me that there was no control of the aircraft after the left bank." The private pilot had 88.9 hours of total flight time and held a third class medical certificate. The pilot listed he used Zoloft and noted no "Mental disorders of any sort … " on the application for that medical certificate. Extracts from the pilot’s personal medical records showed, "…self-discontinued Zoloft 2 weeks ago because of conflict with FAA licensing – patient feels fine off of it. … An entry approximately 6 weeks before the accident indicates "…occasional problem staying asleep – has taken Ambien in past … no problem with concentration … meds – Zoloft 50 mg per day, approximately 3 days per week …" Civil Aeromedical Institute (CAMI) reviewed that application and cautioned the pilot, "Because of your history of anxiety and sleep disturbance, operation of aircraft is prohibited at any time new symptoms or adverse changes occur or any time medication and/or treatment is required." CAMI’s Final Forensic Toxicology Accident Report stated, "SERTRALINE detected in Liver 0.283 (ug/ml, ug/g),DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Liver, and DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Blood." Desmethylsertraline is the predominant metabolite of the antidepressant sertraline, Zoloft. Sertraline, Zoloft is [a] SSRI antidepressant. … ***Warnings – may impair mental and/or physical ability required for the performance of potentially hazardous tasks (e.g.,driving, operating heavy machinery).*** No pre-impact anomalies were found with the airplane. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows: The loss of control on initial climbout for undetermined reasons. Full narrative available"

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To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?) than depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was the case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents driving their cars. jkl

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it diminished my driving abilities,,last accident (there were 3 or 4) i totaled 2 cars..i stopped driving then. "MsWompa" <mswo…@aol.comnothanks

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To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?)

than

depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was

the

case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents driving their cars. jkl

Response:

On 18 Jul 2003 02:19:01 GMT, mswo…@aol.comnothanks (MsWompa) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?) than depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was the case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents driving their cars.

I just hope that when she crashes her Cesna that she does it in an open area so she doesn’t take anyone else with her. — Joan

Response:

On 18 Jul 2003 02:19:01 GMT, mswo…@aol.comnothanks (MsWompa) wrote: }To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?) than }depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. } }How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was the }case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents }driving their cars.

If an aircraft is functioning properly then the cause of the accident must be the pilot. If the pilot is taking a drug that interferes with his performance then one can quite easily link the drug with the accident. As a Naval Aviator, this tells me just how irresponsible pilots can be. And who says that a lot of the accidents on our highways are not caused by people on OTC or prescription drugs who are disregarding the warning labels on the packages? The FAA does not ground a pilot without cause or on a whim. According to the 53rd edition of the Physicians’ Desk Reference (PDR), ZOLOFT is used for treatment of depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and panic disorder. Following are the definitions as defined in the PDR. None are the characteristics of a person who must be able to make split second decisions. "Depression…A major depressive episode implies a prominent and relatively persistent depressed or dysphoric mood that usually interferes with daily functioning (nearly every day for at least 2 weeks)…." "Obsessive-compulsive disorder is characterized by recurrent and persistent ideas, thoughts, impulses, or images (obsessions) that are ego-dystomic and/or repetitive, purposeful, and intentional behaviors (compulsion) that are recognized by the person as excessive or unreasonable…." "Panic disorder…a discrete period of intense fear or discomfort in which four (or more) of the following symptoms develop abruptly and reach a peak within 10 minutes; (1) palpitations, pounding heart, or accelerated heart rate; (2) sweating; (3) trembling or shaking; (4) sensations of shortness of breath or smothering; (5) feeling of choking; (6) chest pain or discomfort; (7) nausea or abdominal distress; (8) feeling dizzy, unsteady, lightheaded, or faint; (9) derealization (feelings of unreality) or depersonalization (being unattached from oneself); (10) fear of losing control; (11) fear of dying; (12) paresthesias (numbness or tingling sensations); (13) chills or hot flushes…."

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what about american pilots flying high!!, doing amphetamines to be alert!!! this is a drug and it affects the ability to function while flying,, especially in combat, evidence of this is our 4 canadian soldiers blown away by an american pilot high on dope!!! in his doped up state he was unable to make proper descision or identify or obey the central commands orders. now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! this is common american practice of drugging their pilots in the airforce. now i know why so many choppers go down, from? drugged up americans fighting the war on drugs and terrorism while stoned on uppers!!!! bobD "Tom Harkness" <spam.f…@nospam.com

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On 18 Jul 2003 02:19:01 GMT, mswo…@aol.comnothanks (MsWompa) wrote: }To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?)

than

}depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. } }How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was

the

}case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents }driving their cars. If an aircraft is functioning properly then the cause of the accident must be the pilot. If the pilot is taking a drug that interferes with his performance then one can quite easily link the drug with the accident. As a Naval Aviator, this tells me just how irresponsible pilots can be.

And

who says that a lot of the accidents on our highways are not caused by people on OTC or prescription drugs who are disregarding the warning

labels

on the packages? The FAA does not ground a pilot without cause or on a whim. According to the 53rd edition of the Physicians’ Desk Reference (PDR), ZOLOFT is used for treatment of depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and panic disorder. Following are the definitions as defined in the PDR. None are the characteristics of a person who must be able to make split second decisions. "Depression…A major depressive episode implies a prominent and

relatively

persistent depressed or dysphoric mood that usually interferes with daily functioning (nearly every day for at least 2 weeks)…." "Obsessive-compulsive disorder is characterized by recurrent and

persistent

ideas, thoughts, impulses, or images (obsessions) that are ego-dystomic and/or repetitive, purposeful, and intentional behaviors (compulsion) that are recognized by the person as excessive or unreasonable…." "Panic disorder…a discrete period of intense fear or discomfort in which four (or more) of the following symptoms develop abruptly and reach a peak within 10 minutes; (1) palpitations, pounding heart, or accelerated heart rate; (2) sweating; (3) trembling or shaking; (4) sensations of shortness

of

breath or smothering; (5) feeling of choking; (6) chest pain or

discomfort;

(7) nausea or abdominal distress; (8) feeling dizzy, unsteady,

lightheaded,

or faint; (9) derealization (feelings of unreality) or depersonalization (being unattached from oneself); (10) fear of losing control; (11) fear of dying; (12) paresthesias (numbness or tingling sensations); (13) chills or hot flushes…."

Response:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca

wrote:

}now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the airforce.

Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is irresponsible.

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In <news:2382260b508bca06f082da1e53af960e@free.teranews.com

,

Tom Harkness said:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca wrote: }now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the airforce. Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is irresponsible.

"Irresponsible"? How about "criminally insane"? ((U)) M

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wrote:

}In <news:2382260b508bca06f082da1e53af960e@free.teranews.com

,

}Tom Harkness said: } }

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca

}

wrote:

}

}

}now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!!

}

this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the

}

airforce.

}

}

Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is

}

irresponsible.

} }"Irresponsible"? } }How about "criminally insane"? } }((U)) } M }

Take it up with the Air Force legal department. Why am I suddenly the whipping boy for things over which you ought to know I have no control, did not countenance, cannot change, was not present for and am not responsible for? I think one of you is taking bad drugs. Or else is not taking his good drugs. He says, "ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!!" then goes on to correctly state it is the Air Force. Notice how quickly we go from ALL fighter pilots to just Air Force fighter pilots. Now you chime in with your two cents of legalese. ("Insane" is a legal, not medical, term.) What do you expect me say? Why not use your energy to prevent another tragedy from occurring rather than to rehash old tragedies that cannot be undone? If you cannot contribute to this purpose in a meaningful way then at least start a new message chain for your grievances where you can be ignored and are not detracting from the efforts of the pilots and others here who are trying to prevent another tragedy. Is this too much to ask of you? I will return to base in another few minutes. Pat yourselves on your backs for your efforts this day. You have not helped one bit, but you have added considerable obfuscation in the message chain for those who are trying to help.

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In <news:47d6d50e675fa9c0b6f2401a183c0054@free.teranews.com

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Tom Harkness said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:18:36 -0700, "Michael" <muirh…@island.net> > wrote: > }In <news:2382260b508bca06f082da1e53af960e@free.teranews.com

,

> }Tom Harkness said: > } > }> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> > }> wrote: > }> > }> }now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! > }> this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the > }> airforce. > }> > }> Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is > }> irresponsible. > } > }"Irresponsible"? > } > }How about "criminally insane"? > } > }((U)) > } M > } > Take it up with the Air Force legal department. Why am I suddenly the > whipping boy for things over which you ought to know I have no > control, did not countenance, cannot change, was not present for and > am not responsible for?

Easy, Tom… I was commenting on a common Air Force practice, not on you! ((U)) M

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tom ,the point i am trying to make is that if they? are going to ban people with ms from flying cause we take medications, then ban all american pilots in ANY sevice that is FORCED to take uppers to fly 134 million dollar jets that bomb people.i dont say canadian pilots cause we dont have a common proctice of forcing our pilots to take uppers or not get the flight time!!! but hey thanks for pointing out my inconsistencies, and i did pat myself on the back because eveytime i try and discuss what the usa is doing to the world someone corrects my grammar!! but i did get out the fact that there are pilots on drugs flying at mach 2 with big bombs in their holding bay, so whay up with them puttin pressure on msers who fly? t i did make some spelling mistakes buts thats how itype, also i did not get anything right, after i said all pilots, i just said airforce,, thats who flies planes,, i was not differentiating between any of your forces pilots as i did not know it was only the airforce pilots, high on crack how do you know the navy dudes aint taking Da shizznit too? bringing up the past is what is called -judicial precedent,, or when making an arguement, you back it up with facts,, like your pilots were on hardcore drugs when they murdered our soldiers who were in a KNOWN training area,, they fucked up!!! i also know john walters is a liar cause i have it on record. it is a fact he lied,, and that the bush oilicies are based on lies,, since you think i should pat myself on the back for something i was not intending in what i said,, i just now said it, and will pat myself now. bobD

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Effexor increase update…

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Been on 75 mgs of Effexor for two days now and am feeling just fine. No nausea this time, just a bit wired. I was given a 7 37.5 mgs to alternate for the first two weeks, one day 75 the next day 37.5, but after day one I felt fine on the 75 mgs so I decided just to take the full dose everyday. I took a Xanax the other day, had a pap test, which causes me so much anxiety I could puke. I felt awful, real, real tired. I like the Klonopin better even though it takes longer to take effect. I guess that’s the way it is, medication works differently for everyone. I am feeling better anxiety wise too, I’ve been taking Effexor ER for a month now. Am going grocery shopping today and only feel mildy anxious about it. Which is a big step for me because grocery shopping and the big stores are a huge cause of my anxiety. Hope to be around here more, I am off to check out the German newsreader. Hugs, Annette

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So glad your med increase if working out well, Annette. May your grocery shopping be uneventful. Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Been on 75 mgs of Effexor for two days now and am feeling just fine. No nausea this time, just a bit wired. I was given a 7 37.5 mgs to alternate for the first two weeks, one day 75 the next day 37.5, but after day one I felt fine on the 75 mgs so I decided just to take the full dose everyday. I took a Xanax the other day, had a pap test, which causes me so much anxiety I could puke. I felt awful, real, real tired. I like the Klonopin better even though it takes longer to take effect. I guess that’s the way it is, medication works differently for everyone. I am feeling better anxiety wise too, I’ve been taking Effexor ER for a month now. Am going grocery shopping today and only feel mildy anxious about it. Which is a big step for me because grocery shopping and the big stores are a huge cause of my anxiety. Hope to be around here more, I am off to check out the German newsreader. Hugs, Annette

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:Been on 75 mgs of Effexor for two days now and am feeling just fine. :No nausea this time, just a bit wired. I was given a 7 37.5 mgs to :alternate for the first two weeks, one day 75 the next day 37.5, but :after day one I felt fine on the 75 mgs so I decided just to take the :full dose everyday. Dear Annette, Glad to hear that you are doing well on your increased effexor dose Jackie ~*~I answer the heroic question "Death, where is they sting?" with "It is here in my heart and mind and memories~*~ ~Maya Angelou~

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Eessential Tremor Effexor » Ice Tea

Ice Tea

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Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list) Damn. That’s not what *I* thought it meant.

Philatelists do it first class, don’tcha know? <g Myra

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I just figured out something. I drink a lot of ice tea, I mean a lot. At lunch I usually can put away about 5-8 tall glasses of the stuff. Now, tea has some carbs. I wonder how much extra carbs I’m getting. Anyone? You can look up any food or drink at: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl According to them, brewed unsweetened tea is approx .71 carbs per 8 ounce cup. Brewed unsweetened herbal teas are approx. .47 carbs per 8 ounce cup.

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My cookbook software lists 8 cups of tea, brewed, as 5.8 carb. CAD 2/94 LC 7/01 188/167/126

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… and if you’re adding and AS packet to each glass, add another five to 8g of carbs. DAMN those sneaky carbs! — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page: http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter

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Not to mention all the caffeine. – Violet

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just figured out something. I drink a lot of ice tea, I mean a lot. At lunch I usually can put away about 5-8 tall glasses of the stuff. Now, tea has some carbs. I wonder how much extra carbs I’m getting. Anyone? My cookbook software lists 8 cups of tea, brewed, as 5.8 carb. … and if you’re adding and AS packet to each glass, add another five to 8g of carbs. DAMN those sneaky carbs! — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page: http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter

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… and if you’re adding and AS packet to each glass, add another five to 8g of carbs. DAMN those sneaky carbs!

I will never give up my beloved teas! NEVER! Of course, I don’t use sweeteners, lemon or cream, and I try to keep my tea consumption to just a couple of times a week. The thing is – I’m hooked on teas the way an oenologist is hooked on wines. And it didn’t help matters much when a new restaurant opened up nearby that not only has quite a few low-carb food choices, but the biggest tea selection I have ever seen. And you can buy teas to take home, too! My last visit to the place netted me an ounce of lapsang souchong (a tea I’ve been looking for for *years*), as well as a lovely oolong and the best jasmine tea I’ve ever tried. (I went for one of each kind – black, oolong and green.) And I’ve hardly even scratched the surface. One of my great pleasures is to sit down with a cup of one of my teas (brewed loose-leaf in a French press), and just relax. <g Myra

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Oenologist. Myra, is that pronounced "ween ol o jist" as it would have been if it were a Latin word? Because if it is, I’m gonna love springing it on my 13 year old. CAD 2/94 LC 7/01 188/167/126

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Oenologist. Myra, is that pronounced "ween ol o jist" as it would have been if it were a Latin word? Because if it is, I’m gonna love springing it on my 13 year old.

Oenology is a variant of enology, which is pronounced "eh-nah-low-gee." I guess it would be pronounced "eh-nah-low-jist." Here’s some other words – all directly related to my business – to spring on your kidlet: Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list) Numismatics = the study of coins (NOO-miz-mah-tiks) Numismatist = (noo-MIZ-mah-tist) Deltiology = the study of postcards (DEL-tee-ah-low-gee) Deltiologist = (del-TEE-ah-low-jist) <g Myra

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My last visit to the place netted me an ounce of lapsang souchong (a tea I’ve been looking for for *years*), as well as a lovely oolong and the best jasmine tea I’ve ever tried. (I went for one of each kind – black, oolong and green.) And I’ve hardly even scratched the surface.

Ooooohhhhhh Myra. It’s a good thing I don’t live anywhere near you or I’d be there buying them up regularly. I’m LLLLLOOOOOVVVVVEEEEE tea, unadulterated of course. Lapsang (aka Bushfire Tea) is a real favourite of mine, as are both oolong and jasmine. One of my great pleasures is to sit down with a cup of one of my teas (brewed loose-leaf in a French press), and just relax. <g Myra

I love using my Favourite Teapot (actually, an old china Coffee pot painted with delicate violets, part of a demitasse kit I picked up for a song in an antique shop about 15 years ago) together with one of my collection of fine bone china teacups with a Really Good Tea. My favourite cup is a deep burgundy with delicate traceries of gold leaf, 3 darling little legs (yes, legs – similar in shape though not (of course) in size to those found on clawfooted bath tubs) also gold. The inside of the cup is a delicate mother-of-pearl finish and the saucer is also mother-of-pearl and gold, and has deep indented ‘cut work’ edge that makes it appear to be edged in china ‘lace’. Even an average tea seems to taste better when drunk from such beautiful things. Aramanth (sipping a mug of Earl Grey as I type).

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Ooooohhhhhh Myra. It’s a good thing I don’t live anywhere near you or I’d be there buying them up regularly.

I have to keep myself away. Those teas are *expensive* – up to $200 a pound ($387 AUS). Of course, I only buy one ounce at a time…. LOL! I’m LLLLLOOOOOVVVVVEEEEE tea, unadulterated of course.

Of course. Putting stuff in tea just kills the taste. Lapsang (aka Bushfire Tea) is a real favourite of mine, as are both oolong and jasmine.

Is that what you call it there? I think of it as hickory-smoked tea. Or tarry tea. It just has that wonderful aroma and flavor – so rich, that I keep myself to no more than a cup of it a week. I love using my Favourite Teapot (actually, an old china Coffee pot painted with delicate violets, part of a demitasse kit I picked up for a song in an antique shop about 15 years ago) together with one of my collection of fine bone china teacups with a Really Good Tea.

Sounds lovely! And those special finds in little shops are so much more fun to have than anything you could get in a big department store. I call it the thrill of the hunt. Alas, I never got into tea cups, preferring mugs instead. Besides my French press, I have a teapot-for-one that comes with a 12-ounce pot, lid and cup that fits over the top. I also have my Portmeirion botanical garden pattern – pot, tray and four mugs. There’s a little store about a mile from where I live called "Almost and Perfect English China," that has all kinds of interesting little things – a very good store if you’re missing a piece of something or other. I remember the lid to my Portmeirion pot was broken (either an earthquake or move – I don’t remember now), and they had a replacement for me. My favourite cup is a deep burgundy with delicate traceries of gold leaf, 3 darling little legs (yes, legs – similar in shape though not (of course) in size to those found on clawfooted bath tubs) also gold. The inside of the cup is a delicate mother-of-pearl finish and the saucer is also mother-of-pearl and gold, and has deep indented ‘cut work’ edge that makes it appear to be edged in china ‘lace’. Even an average tea seems to taste better when drunk from such beautiful things.

Oh, that cup sounds gorgeous! Beats hell out of my favorite Boynton cat mug – the one with the big cat on it with the caption, "I am not fat. I’m fluffy!" (sipping a mug of Earl Grey as I type).

Ah, there, now you’ve lost me. I’m just not an Earl Grey fan – the bergemot oil tastes weird to me. Myra Sipping a mug of Eight Immortals Oolong

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"eh-nah-low-gee." I guess it would be pronounced "eh-nah-low-jist." Here’s some other words – all directly related to my business – to spring on your kidlet: Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list) Numismatics = the study of coins (NOO-miz-mah-tiks) Numismatist = (noo-MIZ-mah-tist) Deltiology = the study of postcards (DEL-tee-ah-low-gee) Deltiologist = (del-TEE-ah-low-jist)

Myram I love when you talk dirty! <g — Stop By And Sign My Guest Book! My LC Home Page: http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/marengo Peter

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Myram I love when you talk dirty! <g

You want to see dirty (messy)? You should see our office – looks like Santa’s Workshop exploded into a stamp show. Oy. Myra Busy scanning stamps and inspecting toy soldiers today

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Ooooohhhhhh Myra. It’s a good thing I don’t live anywhere near you or I’d be there buying them up regularly. I have to keep myself away. Those teas are *expensive* – up to $200 a pound ($387 AUS). Of course, I only buy one ounce at a time…. LOL!

I’d have to limit myself to that, too, at those prices. Good thing you can get a lot of cups from an ounce of leaves! Lapsang (aka Bushfire Tea) is a real favourite of mine, as are both oolong and jasmine. Is that what you call it there? I think of it as hickory-smoked tea. Or tarry tea. It just has that wonderful aroma and flavor – so rich, that I keep myself to no more than a cup of it a week.

Most people just call it "urgh"! "Bushfire Tea" is the name a friend and I gave it after the Ash Wednesday Fires (January 83? I think – substantial amounts of bushland in 3 states went up in flames) when you could smell and taste the burnt-eucalypt on the air for weeks. It smelled much like the aroma of lapsang. Alas, I never got into tea cups, preferring mugs instead. Besides my French press, I have a teapot-for-one that comes with a 12-ounce pot, lid and cup that fits over the top. I also have my Portmeirion botanical garden pattern – pot, tray and four mugs.

It depends on my mood. If I’m rushed or not able to sit and enjoy I’ll use a mug because it stays hotter longer. If I’ve got time to sit and enjoy then it’s a dainty cup every time. I also have a pot-for-one with cup that fits over the top, a HUGE pot in a cat shape that a friend painted for me, and several ‘ordinary’ pots that I accumulated as gifts. (sipping a mug of Earl Grey as I type). Ah, there, now you’ve lost me. I’m just not an Earl Grey fan – the bergemot oil tastes weird to me. Myra Sipping a mug of Eight Immortals Oolong

I like the mild undertang of the citrus – I also like Lady Grey, which is EG with lemon and orange. Aramanth

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I’d have to limit myself to that, too, at those prices. Good thing you can get a lot of cups from an ounce of leaves!

I managed to resist the $200 tea, but I did buy them in the $40-120 range. Three ounces was about $18 U.S. (about $33 AUS). Most people just call it "urgh"! "Bushfire Tea" is the name a friend and I gave it after the Ash Wednesday Fires (January 83? I think – substantial amounts of bushland in 3 states went up in flames) when you could smell and taste the burnt-eucalypt on the air for weeks. It smelled much like the aroma of lapsang.

You’re right – it *does* smell like a brushfire! But it’s heavenly to drink. I first learned about it when I was a kid and read James Michener’s "Centennial." One of the characters got hooked on it. It depends on my mood. If I’m rushed or not able to sit and enjoy I’ll use a mug because it stays hotter longer. If I’ve got time to sit and enjoy then it’s a dainty cup every time.

For me, growing up with my coffee-drinking folks meant that mugs were pretty much all there were. My mother never used her "dainty" cups because my father just couldn’t hold them due to his essential tremor. He needs to wrap his hand around a thick mug, and so I’ve just carried that around ever since. I also have a pot-for-one with cup that fits over the top, a HUGE pot in a cat shape that a friend painted for me, and several ‘ordinary’ pots that I accumulated as gifts.

My mother collects tiny little pots in unusual shapes, but none of them are usable. I just have the ones I mentioned, plus an Italian coffee service and a sake set. And I don’t even drink sake! Oh, wait a sec – I do have a Chinese tea set, too. I like the mild undertang of the citrus – I also like Lady Grey, which is EG with lemon and orange.

Lady Grey is pretty new around here – I just started seeing it in stores. I’m not tempted to try it, though, because it still has the bergemot oil in it. Myra

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Oenologist. Myra, is that pronounced "ween ol o jist" as it would have been if it were a Latin word? Because if it is, I’m gonna love springing it on my 13 year old. Oenology is a variant of enology, which is pronounced "eh-nah-low-gee." I guess it would be pronounced "eh-nah-low-jist." Here’s some other words – all directly related to my business – to spring on your kidlet: Philately = the study of stamps (FIH-lah-teh-lee) Philatelist = (fih-LAH-ta-list)

Damn. That’s not what *I* thought it meant.

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some nice teas at www.alltea.com allison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d have to limit myself to that, too, at those prices. Good thing you can get a lot of cups from an ounce of leaves! I managed to resist the $200 tea, but I did buy them in the $40-120 range. Three ounces was about $18 U.S. (about $33 AUS). Most people just call it "urgh"! "Bushfire Tea" is the name a friend and I gave it after the Ash Wednesday Fires (January 83? I think – substantial amounts of bushland in 3 states went up in flames) when you could smell and taste the burnt-eucalypt on the air for weeks. It smelled much like the aroma of lapsang. You’re right – it *does* smell like a brushfire! But it’s heavenly to drink. I first learned about it when I was a kid and read James Michener’s "Centennial." One of the characters got hooked on it. It depends on my mood. If I’m rushed or not able to sit and enjoy I’ll use a mug because it stays hotter longer. If I’ve got time to sit and enjoy then it’s a dainty cup every time. For me, growing up with my coffee-drinking folks meant that mugs were pretty much all there were. My mother never used her "dainty" cups because my father just couldn’t hold them due to his essential tremor. He needs to wrap his hand around a thick mug, and so I’ve just carried that around ever since. I also have a pot-for-one with cup that fits over the top, a HUGE pot in a cat shape that a friend painted for me, and several ‘ordinary’ pots that I accumulated as gifts. My mother collects tiny little pots in unusual shapes, but none of them are usable. I just have the ones I mentioned, plus an Italian coffee service and a sake set. And I don’t even drink sake! Oh, wait a sec – I do have a Chinese tea set, too. I like the mild undertang of the citrus – I also like Lady Grey, which is EG with lemon and orange. Lady Grey is pretty new around here – I just started seeing it in stores. I’m not tempted to try it, though, because it still has the bergemot oil in it. Myra

"I love my decadent, cosmopolitan, self-indulgent, racially-mixed, godless, intellectually dilletante, drug-abusing, promiscuous, queer-loving country. And its flag is the Stars and Stripes." Patrick Nielsen Hayden

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Paxil withdrawal, and where to go next

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Hi all. I’ve been on Paxil for 3.5 years, and, after considering it for a while, recently decided I needed to get off it and switch to something else. The difficulties I was having with the drug were starting to outweigh the benefits, and it hasn’t addressed several of my most distressing depression symptoms at all. Unfortunately, I’ve been experiencing some rather nasty withdrawal symptoms. At times I’ve felt like I am going through a rather severe depression relapse, and my already annoying problems with mental confusion and lack of concentration have multiplied. I now find it difficult to speak to anyone, since I often totally forget what I was talking about. Driving has even gotten difficult, since I sometimes blank out in the middle if a trip. I lose my temper if someone looks at me wrong, and I cry at the slightest provocation. My doc explained to me that I wasn’t losing it, or on my way back to the psych ward, but experiencing Paxil withdrawal. He put me on 20mg of Prozac, to help alleviate the symptoms, but they’re still effecting me badly. I was even forced to take a couple of weeks off from work. Anyone have any suggestions to help me get through this? Also, I’m still not sure where to go from here. My doc has said we’ll discuss options at my next visit, and I’ve done a lot of research on my own, but I’m still not sure what to do. Some of the options include, switching to Effexor, staying with the Prozac, or going to a different SSRI like Celexa. My main concerns are finding something that will help me think more clearly and concentrate better in addition to keeping up my desire to stay alive, and won’t cause me to gain any more weight. Any ideas and suggestions would be appreciated. Joanne

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Paxil withdrawal support site http://members.tripod.lycos.com/fstreicher/ good luck and best wishes Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all. I’ve been on Paxil for 3.5 years, and, after considering it for a while, recently decided I needed to get off it and switch to something else. The difficulties I was having with the drug were starting to outweigh the benefits, and it hasn’t addressed several of my most distressing depression symptoms at all. Unfortunately, I’ve been experiencing some rather nasty withdrawal symptoms. At times I’ve felt like I am going through a rather severe depression relapse, and my already annoying problems with mental confusion and lack of concentration have multiplied. I now find it difficult to speak to anyone, since I often totally forget what I was talking about. Driving has even gotten difficult, since I sometimes blank out in the middle if a trip. I lose my temper if someone looks at me wrong, and I cry at the slightest provocation. My doc explained to me that I wasn’t losing it, or on my way back to the psych ward, but experiencing Paxil withdrawal. He put me on 20mg of Prozac, to help alleviate the symptoms, but they’re still effecting me badly. I was even forced to take a couple of weeks off from work. Anyone have any suggestions to help me get through this? Also, I’m still not sure where to go from here. My doc has said we’ll discuss options at my next visit, and I’ve done a lot of research on my own, but I’m still not sure what to do. Some of the options include, switching to Effexor, staying with the Prozac, or going to a different SSRI like Celexa. My main concerns are finding something that will help me think more clearly and concentrate better in addition to keeping up my desire to stay alive, and won’t cause me to gain any more weight. Any ideas and suggestions would be appreciated. Joanne

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Discontinue Use Of Zoloft In Lewy Body Caus » Oprah Show 10/19/00 Be Sure To Watch

Oprah Show 10/19/00 Be Sure To Watch

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Anne Haas wrote:

. I wish some talk show host would do a program called "MOVE THE HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO." Anne Anne, you are my hero also. I wanna be like you when (if) I ever grow up. :-)

DITTO! :-) Joanne

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Well, then you haven’t been reading all the threads. I posted a number of time times prior to the Jennifer thread in the past week or so. In fact Anne R asked me a week or so ago where the heck I’d been.

Well, I did. I don’t know where this bit about you being a troll got started, but I personally have gotten quite a bit out of your posts in the past. I did think you were a little harsh to Jennifer there, she’s in a tough situation and dont’ forget she’s very young too. I remember being in love at 22, I’d go back there in a second! But I’ve also learned a lot of very tough things in these 28-33 years, and a LOT of them I didn’t know and wouldn’t have accepted at the beginning of my relationship. Some people arent’ ready to give up the pain. But I never thought of you as a troll… is somebody saying I did? Is that why my name came up? I was glad you were back when you started posting again! Anne

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Indyguy1 wrote: Well, then you haven’t been reading all the threads. I posted a number of time times prior to the Jennifer thread in the past week or so. In fact Anne R asked me a week or so ago where the heck I’d been. Well, I did.

Thanks for backing me up.:) I don’t know where this bit about you being a troll got started,

but I personally have gotten quite a bit out of your posts in the past.

Thank you and I from yours.:) Not to mention a number of belly laughs! You are one funny lady! I did think

you were a little harsh to Jennifer there,

I agree and I did apologize. she’s in a tough situation and dont’ forget

she’s very young too. I remember being in love at 22, I’d go back there in a second!

LOL I should be so lucky to be able to remember that far aback.:) But

I’ve also learned a lot of very tough things in these 28-33 years, and a LOT of them I didn’t know and wouldn’t have accepted at the beginning of my

relationship.

Some people arent’ ready to give up the pain.

How true.

But I never thought of you as a troll… is somebody saying I did?

No. Apparently lil and Geri were discussing that I was most likely a troll. I guess lil also brought it up at Shay’s baby shower. Is that

why my name came up?

No *I* brought up your name as I knew you would remember I had posted prior to the infamous Jennifer thread. Lil had thought I had not posted in a long while and felt I caused some sort of riff between her and Merrie and then wasn’t around again until this Jennifer thing. Leading her to asssume I was a troll. I was glad you were back when you started posting again! Thanks for saying that Anne. Indy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

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I, for one, have a HUGE problem with this. When Mike and I were having problems, you could have never, ever, ever convinced me that Tori was better off with a f— up for a dad and a mother who did everything. I was a single parent in a two parent home. When he told me that he’d give up his parental rights in order NOT to pay CS, I was so thrilled! I’d have gone with that deal in a heart beat! I was NOT going to stay in a marriage where I was cussed out daily, told that HIS son was perfect and it was ME that had the problem, one night I had a boot shoved in my face because MY dog chewed it up. I can remember another night I was sick and asked Mike to let Tori lie with him for a minute. I’m in the bathroom throwing up, Tori’s crying – and he’s yelling at her for crying! Yeah, this is a marriage I would have stayed in for my child’s sake. Don’t think so. My daughter would have been better off without the father, thank you very much. Of course, since Mike has gotten his act together, Tori likes the father he’s become and Mike has realized that everyone making excuses for his son has given him a reason NOT to accept responsibility for his problems (hence, the running away because he got caught with drugs – it’s easier to run than deal with the consequences). Unfortunately, my SS had 13 1/2 years to have everyone feel sorry for him and justify WHY he shouldn’t have to face consequences for his actions. Lying? Oh, that’s just him – he lies so much, I don’t think he knows how to tell the truth any more. Stealing? Oh, no, he’d never do that. Yeah, we’re trying to work on the marriage, but between the son’s attitude, Mike’s parents attitude of we can do no right and SS can do no wrong, and the ex’s attitude of she’s a better parent – there are days I’d rather live in Alaska than continue this marriage. "Indyguy1" <indyg…@aol.com

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I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels

that

parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.) From my understanding she feels couples should try their best to work out

their

differances for the sake of everyone, including themselves, in families. Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri?

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Well I have to say that I didn’t read anything offensive, or troll like in her post.

Did you read anything particularly helpful or supportive in it? I didn’t.

It’s your perogative to killfile her if you want, but why say so on the newsgroup.

Um…because it came up in a conversation with Geri? Did it offend you in some way I don’t know about? Is there some new content bylaw on here that I maybe missed?

Other people can and will make their own minds up about who and what to read.

Of course they can. Good Lord, where was it I said that everyone should ignore her or kill her? Geri said that she suspected that she was a troll and I commented that I thought so too. I changed the subject because I was no longer discussing Oprah. Get a grip, hon. When exactly did you become the newsgroup police? lil — "It’s hard when you discover what keeps you going keeps you all alone." – Blue Rodeo

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HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO."

Anne anne anne anne anne – ROFLLL.

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Hmm… lil, I always thought Al was pretty reasonable

Alan *was* pretty reasonable. But his character wasn’t consistent. For instance, he was only more than happy to trash Enricho Suave for his comments, but before he left he jumped down our throats for the way *we* responded to him. There’s more, but it’s kind of hard to explain. It was never intended to start a major discussion, I was just making a comment. :-) lil — "It’s hard when you discover what keeps you going keeps you all alone." – Blue Rodeo

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Hey Tea, I’m sure I won’t be the only one saying this. Mediation..(and Vicki will correct me if I’m wrong, hopefully) Mediation is a fabulous avenue for parents like you, who are *able* to agree, and can set "looser" terms to the children’s custody schedules. However, if you’ve been lurking long, you’ll have already found that a large part of this group comes from situations that this would be impossible…and unfortunately the courts do have to have the end say. Even then, justice or fairness doesn’t always happen. So..basically you are correct, the system assumes there is a war going on, because if there is no prior agreement reached…that is the ground the courts see them on. ange In article <gKFH5.112147$47.1480…@news.bc.tac.net

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"Hilander" <hilan…@block.lightspeed.ca

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"Indyguy1" <indyg…@aol.com wrote in message news:20001019014520.00976.00000407@ng-fo1.aol.com… But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and

who

shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way

parents

act post-divorce stand on their own. This is a valid point. My ex and I are not yet legally divorced [can't afford it financially

this time] but have been living seperate and apart for almost 5 years. We’ve both looked into doing it ourselves but are afraid that we might

get

something wrong on the paper and can’t afford [financially] to be

making

those kinds of mistakes only to have to do it again. What gets both of us is how the ’system’ is set up. We do get along

fairly

well as people but as parents, we are both on the same page and have

problems. The ’system’ however, not only assumes there must be a

‘war’ but

there is so much there that we believe provokes negative feelings when

there

needn’t be. We have joint custody and guardianship. We do NOT like the idea of

courts

telling either of us when we can or can’t see kids because we have

always

worked it out verbally with no problems and we can’t imagine how

difficult

it must be on adults as well as kids if there is no flexibility. Life

not static. It is dynamic! But the papers we looked at default to one parent or the other having

’sole

custody’. Why? If we were ‘pushed’ into that route [through lawyers, family and friends] then I can see how it would cause negative

feelings

because your mind is then tuned to look for ‘negatives’ in one parent

over

the other as a parent. Not healthy. At a time like that, wouldn’t it be better for kids if the system

helped

promote and celebrate the *strengths* of both parents and how those strengths could compliment and work well with each other as parents?! I don’t want a piece of paper telling me that ex can only see kids on weekends. What if they have a weekday off from school and dad has

tickets

to the hockey game? What if one of the kids has been invited to a

birthday

party on the weekend and doesn’t want to go away that day? While in some cases, the personality of the individual parents may be

a big

problem for the divorce process and/or seperation, I also see that the system and even societal attitude towards divorce/seperation pushes

people

into seperate corners of the mat when they might not have gone there

in the

first place. I don’t think seperation/divorce is bad for kids, however, the current process and aftermath as it is set up today I do believe has a

detrimental

effect on *everyone* involved unless they actively and consciously

work

around/against the system. Chat later, Tea

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wrote: "Geri and Brian" <gplen…@aol.comicrelief wrote in message news:20001019034446.05269.00000435@ng-cb1.aol.com… Are you a troll? Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we *weren’t* mothers in any way, shape or form. She had a couple of serious sounding posts, one of which started something of a dispute between Merrie and I. I couldn’t help but notice that *during* this dispute, Indy was nowhere to be seen. When I was down in Tacoma for Shay’s baby shower, I’d mentioned that I suspected that she was just trolling. Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since, and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody. So now I’m basically certain that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts.

Oh shut teh hell up. YOur ignorant McCarthyesque accusations are pathetic at best. STop trying to be a netcop. Loev, Poopie Pants

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Geri wrote:

Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri? I don’t have a strong opinion about it one way or the other. Are you a troll?

Nope. But I see you’d like to portray me as one, seeing as I don’t always agree with the way you see and do things.

You are rude to everyone.

Everyone? Hardly. Indy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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lil wrote:

"Geri and Brian" <gplen…@aol.comicrelief wrote in message news:20001019034446.05269.00000435@ng-cb1.aol.com… Are you a troll? Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we *weren’t* mothers in any way, shape or form.

Uh, excuse me. I do not know the people you speak of. I don’t even remember much of the thread. But I do remember I did NOT say step-mothers were not mothers in any way shape or form.

She had a couple of serious sounding posts, one of which started something of a dispute between Merrie and I.

I don’t recall any dispute between you and Merrie. But then again I am not a constant on this ng. And if you and Merrie disagree or any other posters on this or any other ng it is between the two of you or them not anyone else. And anything *I* post about or respond to I consider serious. I couldn’t help but notice that *during*

this dispute, Indy was nowhere to be seen.

Well hang me out to dry because I don’t check in here as often as others do. Geesh When I was down in Tacoma for

Shay’s baby shower, I’d mentioned that I suspected that she was just trolling.

I thought trolls came in and stirred up trouble then left. I asked questions. I gave comments. I come back because of our nephew and the mess he is in. There are some here that I really value their opinion. You were one of them. You might want to check the 15 years hence thread and see the compliment I paid you, earlier this week or last week.

Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since,

Well, then you haven’t been reading all the threads. I posted a number of time times prior to the Jennifer thread in the past week or so. In fact Anne R asked me a week or so ago where the heck I’d been. and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned

great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody.

I’m usually very calm in my responces on this ng. There was something that really bothered me about Jennifer’s stance on her b/f’s children, their mother and her role in the boy’s lives. Maybe it was her arrogance or the desire for her to see the boy’s mother out of their lives after only being their dad’s g/f for about one year, I’m not sure. But in the mean time I did apologize to her. Although from reading the way she responds to many of the good solid ideas she has been given it looks like she may not want any helpful sugestions, afterall. So now I’m basically certain

that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts.

If you choose to block my posts, Lil, that is your perogative. But to think I am a troll is not only false but really less than I expected of you. Indy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

lil

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<I don’t want a piece of paper telling me that ex can only see kids on <weekends. What if they have a weekday off from school and dad has tickets <to the hockey game? What if one of the kids has been invited to a birthday <party on the weekend and doesn’t want to go away that day? Then so what? One of the things I stress with my mediation clients is that the agreement is for both of them, and that the separation police aren’t going to be checking to see if parenting time is going to go the way the document says it does. The doc is there to set basic expectations and to satisfy the court that everyone has knowledge of the important things. You can put it into practice **any** way that you and your ex want to. Any way at all. Total freedom to do that. See a mediator. It makes divorce *much* cheaper, especially when you and your ex get along as well as you seem to. Any competent mediator can put all the flexibility you want in your agreement. Vicki — Bring Dejanews back to life! See the petition at http://www2.petitionsonline.com/dejanews/petition.html and sign it. Help bring back a valuable Usenet resource!

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Do these whining *adult* brats think they would have been any happier in a home where their parents were two miserable people who *should* have been divorced? Been there, done that, NEVER going back. One of the things I always promised myself I’d do for my children is have the strength and courage to get divorced if their Dad and I really couldn’t work things out. I made this promise to myself when I was *nine years old.* If kids need counseling to get them through the divorce, to help them cope, I’m all for it. But this Oprah thing is going to be another attempt to excuse these people’s actions as adults because of their pain as a child. I had pain as a child too, every- body did. I wish some talk show host would do a program called "MOVE THE HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO." Anne

Anne, you are my hero also. I wanna be like you when (if) I ever grow up. :-) Anne H. "To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might be the world."

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But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and who shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way parents

act

post-divorce stand on their own.

This is a valid point. My ex and I are not yet legally divorced [can't afford it financially at this time] but have been living seperate and apart for almost 5 years. We’ve both looked into doing it ourselves but are afraid that we might get something wrong on the paper and can’t afford [financially] to be making those kinds of mistakes only to have to do it again. What gets both of us is how the ’system’ is set up. We do get along fairly well as people but as parents, we are both on the same page and have no problems. The ’system’ however, not only assumes there must be a ‘war’ but there is so much there that we believe provokes negative feelings when there needn’t be. We have joint custody and guardianship. We do NOT like the idea of courts telling either of us when we can or can’t see kids because we have always worked it out verbally with no problems and we can’t imagine how difficult it must be on adults as well as kids if there is no flexibility. Life is not static. It is dynamic! But the papers we looked at default to one parent or the other having ’sole custody’. Why? If we were ‘pushed’ into that route [through lawyers, family and friends] then I can see how it would cause negative feelings because your mind is then tuned to look for ‘negatives’ in one parent over the other as a parent. Not healthy. At a time like that, wouldn’t it be better for kids if the system helped promote and celebrate the *strengths* of both parents and how those strengths could compliment and work well with each other as parents?! I don’t want a piece of paper telling me that ex can only see kids on weekends. What if they have a weekday off from school and dad has tickets to the hockey game? What if one of the kids has been invited to a birthday party on the weekend and doesn’t want to go away that day? While in some cases, the personality of the individual parents may be a big problem for the divorce process and/or seperation, I also see that the system and even societal attitude towards divorce/seperation pushes people into seperate corners of the mat when they might not have gone there in the first place. I don’t think seperation/divorce is bad for kids, however, the current process and aftermath as it is set up today I do believe has a detrimental effect on *everyone* involved unless they actively and consciously work around/against the system. Chat later, Tea

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Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we

*weren’t*

mothers in any way, shape or form.

Hmm… lil, I always thought Al was pretty reasonable, and IIRC, everyone _did_ jump straight down his wife’s (Ginny?) throat for whatever comment she made. Go figger.

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Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced.

I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels that parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.) ~~~~~~~~~~ Geri ^ ^

’ ’ <

"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast."- Anonymous ~~~~~~~~~~

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Geri wrote:

Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels that parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.)

From my understanding she feels couples should try their best to work out their differances for the sake of everyone, including themselves, in families. Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri? But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and who shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way parents act post-divorce stand on their own. Gee, I wonder if the poor results of children of divorce that she followed for 25 years could be part of the reason she would prefer to see families stick together? Indy

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Do you have a problem with this train of thought, Geri?

I don’t have a strong opinion about it one way or the other. Are you a troll? You are rude to everyone. ~~~~~~~~~~ Geri ^ ^

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"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast."- Anonymous ~~~~~~~~~~

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Are you a troll?

Indy showed up just as Alan Moore and his wife disappeared (and, quite frankly, I had my doubts about *their* sincerity, as *they* showed up just as Enricho Suave disappeared). She was sticking up for Alan’s wife by asking us not to use the term biomom to differentiate, because we *weren’t* mothers in any way, shape or form. She had a couple of serious sounding posts, one of which started something of a dispute between Merrie and I. I couldn’t help but notice that *during* this dispute, Indy was nowhere to be seen. When I was down in Tacoma for Shay’s baby shower, I’d mentioned that I suspected that she was just trolling. Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since, and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody. So now I’m basically certain that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts. lil — "It’s hard when you discover what keeps you going keeps you all alone." – Blue Rodeo

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lilblakdog <lbdcreati…@dog.com

wrote: Her response to Jennifer/John Durden is the first one of her posts that I’ve read since, and her tactic has changed rather severely from the concerned great-aunt who doesn’t want to offend anybody. So now I’m basically certain that she *is* a troll and will be blocking her posts.

Well I have to say that I didn’t read anything offensive, or troll like in her post. It’s your perogative to killfile her if you want, but why say so on the newsgroup. Other people can and will make their own minds up about who and what to read. Wendy

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, posted 19 Oct

2000 02:09:13 GMT, Geri and Brian says…

Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. I think Brian has a copy of one of her studies stating that she feels that parents should stay in bad marriages for their childrens’ sakes. (Unless there is domestic violence, child abuse or drug use.)

You know, my mother stayed in her marriage for her children’s sake, for my sake. I unconsciously learned that I was responsible for my mother’s unhappy life. I heard about her sacrifice almost every day. It took me six years after leaving to realise that I was in a land of psychological torture, and I’m still dealing with the crap ten years later. If Wallerstein has a study stating that people should stay in unhappy marriages for the children’s sake, she’s shot herself in the foot. K**** — Quotes of a five year old girl: "I felt some wriggly things on my head but they were only my own two fingers playing with themselves. I thought it might be a worm."

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, Karla <ka…@ntcorp.com wrote: Gee, I wonder if the poor results of children of divorce that she followed for 25 years could be part of the reason she would prefer to see families stick together? I know that one of the flaws in the scientific method is that people tend to skew results to support their hypothesis…especially in the social sciences. It’s too bad because the scientific method is supposed

The social sciences are very difficult to be scientific in because it is almost impossible to control extraneous factors.

to allow you the chance to examine data to see if your hypothesis is right or wrong, but because of the way grant money and other financial resources tied to "results," people now actively skew the data to support their hypothesis or risk becoming labeled as a non-producer and loosing financial support.

This is true even in the sciences.

Mark Twain said there are three types of lies: Lies, damned lies and statistics. There’s a reason for that. I’ve worked in marketing, I know that you tell the "professionals" what you want to prove and they find the data to support your findings.

One of my favourite authors.

The main criticism I have read on this book (I’m on the waiting list for the book, so I haven’t read it yet) is that her conclusions are flawed due to unequal comparisions. In other words, she’s not comparing apples and apples, she’s comparing apples and oranges and declaring that the apples rule.

I haven’t read the book, nor seen the programme, but I have done quite a lot of reading on the subject of academic performance and divorce This is quite an interesting URL: www.prospect.org/archives/18/18mcla.html I know it is harder to supervise two children doing homework, on my own, and still make sure supper, dishes, etc. all get done. I know that I can’t control what is being done at my ex’s, though this isn’t to say that he doesn’t care or try in his own fashion. After the counselling you went through, Karla, did they give any counselling/advice for you and your ex for co-parenting thereafter? Wendy

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I have been reading the threads started by Judith. I understand her pain and dissapointment because of her adult children’s actions. Perhaps by understanding more about the long lasting effects of divorce on children and how children may not be as reslient as some adults who have divorced wish to believe they are many step-parents, along with birth-parents, can understand more fully why adult children do and say the things they do and say. Not that I am saying Judith’s kids were correct in their treatment of her, as I don’t feel they were. Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. The people she speaks with and about in her books are now adults. She followed them from the time of divorce in their childhood into adulthood. I don’t know if steps will be addressed in her interview, but even if they aren’t, I’m sure this show will give all parents who raise or help raise children that have been touched by divorce a better idea of what divorce does to children and how the parent’s actions impact the children’s lives into adulthood. This might be worth taping if you won’t be home when Oprah is on. Heck, it might be good enough that your spouse and you should view it together! If it’s *really* good it might be worth sending a copy to your ex or your spouses ex.:) Indy (who already read the book and can’t wait for the interview!)

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Sorry Indy, but OH GAG! I know I’m going to sound just evil when I say this, but I’m sick of bending over backwards to understand the effects of divorce on the poor little angels. Sometimes people get divorced, sometimes people die, and I just think it’s a symptom of everything that’s wrong with our society that we coddle kids through this and excuse their most selfish actions by trying to "understand their point of view." Do these whining *adult* brats think they would have been any happier in a home where their parents were two miserable people who *should* have been divorced? Been there, done that, NEVER going back. One of the things I always promised myself I’d do for my children is have the strength and courage to get divorced if their Dad and I really couldn’t work things out. I made this promise to myself when I was *nine years old.* If kids need counseling to get them through the divorce, to help them cope, I’m all for it. But this Oprah thing is going to be another attempt to excuse these people’s actions as adults because of their pain as a child. I had pain as a child too, every- body did. I wish some talk show host would do a program called "MOVE THE HELL ON, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO." Anne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Indyguy1 wrote:

I have been reading the threads started by Judith. I understand her pain and dissapointment because of her adult children’s actions. Perhaps by understanding more about the long lasting effects of divorce on children and how children may not be as reslient as some adults who have divorced wish to believe they are many step-parents, along with birth-parents, can understand more fully why adult children do and say the things they do and say. Not that I am saying Judith’s kids were correct in their treatment of her, as I don’t feel they were. Tommorrow morning author Judith Wallerstien will be on Oprah tommorrow. Her latest book, The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce, uncovers many of the feelings children of divorce have towards divorce and the way their lives went after their parents divorced. The people she speaks with and about in her books are now adults. She followed them from the time of divorce in their childhood into adulthood. I don’t know if steps will be addressed in her interview, but even if they aren’t, I’m sure this show will give all parents who raise or help raise children that have been touched by divorce a better idea of what divorce does to children and how the parent’s actions impact the children’s lives into adulthood. This might be worth taping if you won’t be home when Oprah is on. Heck, it might be good enough that your spouse and you should view it together! If it’s *really* good it might be worth sending a copy to your ex or your spouses ex.:) Indy (who already read the book and can’t wait for the interview!)

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I think the data is useless without the proper comparison – which wouldn’t be happy families that stayed together, but rather families that stayed together and should have been divorced. I think her findings are faulty. How can she determine if the poor results of children are due the divorce rather than the bad relationship between the parents? Where are the results of children raised by acrimonious parents that didn’t divorce? How can we quantify the level of acrimony so that we can isolate that from divorce and be able to distinguish if it’s divorce that’s causative or the acrimony? Merrie Indyguy1 <indyg…@aol.com

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But regarless of Wallerstien’s feelings on who should divorce and who shouldn’t, the results of her findings on how divorce and the way parents

act

post-divorce stand on their own. Gee, I wonder if the poor results of children of divorce that she followed

for

25 years could be part of the reason she would prefer to see families

stick

together? Indy

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I can hardly keep my thoughts together today…..I’m not going in to work again today. ….and, when I called in, she tried to make me feel guilty. It’s almost like my hormones override these medications. I become overly sensitive, irritable, paranoid, fearful, anxious, restless…..just to name a few symptoms. I know that stupid depo shot is still in my system. I can feel it. I don’t have anything to grip on to, and this is a horrible feeling. Maybe that’s why that show Greed kept my heart pounding last night. I know this will go away in a few days, but what do I do in the meantime? I haven’t done a "pity party" post for awhile, so I guess it was overdue. My doc is out of town AGAIN for the weekend….. I feel like Sharyn today…..I just want to cry. ( Maria

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Thanks Chip, I really like these articles…. For anyone interested, or that has PMS problems… I took the other half of my celexa pill the other day, (because of feeling horrible, and PMS) and noticed quite immediate effects….as I was laying down for a nap, I realized she had given me 40 mg. tabs, which I break in half so they last me 2 months, or so that I can increase to 40 if I want to. So, it turns out I’ve been taking double my usual dosage these past couple days. (It never occurred to me, because I always broke my paxil in half). Well, the funny part is when I did this once before, not during PMS…..I was so tired, I could barely walk. This time, I feel great…..no PMS symptoms!! Today I feel very calm….and, even spent the day at the mall with some friends, (which usually makes me cranky being around crowds for long periods of time). I wasn’t a bit irritated…and, before the extra celexa I was a wreck. Now, I’m curious to see the effect it will have on me after my period….if it will be too high of a dose. I really like this 40 mg. right now. Just an interesting self observation of my situation…. Bye, Maria

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: : Valerie Davis Raskin, MD, wrote a very good book titled, : "When Words Are Not Enough; The Women’s Prescription for : Depression and Anxiety." The book is not too expensive : and written for the general public, so you may want to : buy a copy via Amazon or some other book shop. It covers : a lot of issues that are important to women who suffer : from anxiety and depression. : : Thankyou for that information Arthur. I remember it being one of the trivia : questions, but I didn’t know what it was about. : Maria I had originally bought the book for my mother. However, she didn’t read it at first (being very psychoanalysis oriented) so I borrowed it for a while. The book is very practical; with chapters on sex, pregnancy, menstral cycles, etc. It addresses medication questions that I often see posted here in ASAP and has some nice tables on medications. I’m tempted to buy a copy for my own little anxiety-panic library. Which reminds me, mom still has my copy of Sheehan. I ought to start distributing library cards (grin). Best Wishes, Arthur

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Biological Therapies in Psychiatry Alan J. Gelenberg, M.D. Treating PMS While most women experience some physical and emotional changes premenstrually, a minority are clinically impaired by the premenstrual syndrome (PMS). For ages, unproven and largely ineffectual remedies were promulgated. In recent years, however, greater methodologic rigor has enhanced clinical research on this condition. Better still, the advent of the serotonin-selective reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressants has shown that medication can alleviate PMS symptoms and reverse dysfunction. Several recent reviews present evidence and knowledgeable opinions on treating PMS. Dr Walter Brown notes that SSRIs have a much more rapid onset of action when used to treat PMS than when the same drugs are used to treat depression. (1) PMS symptoms improve almost immediately, while depressive symptoms typically take several weeks to lift. This author also observes that while serotonergic, noradrenergic, and other agents appear equal in efficacy when treating depression, only highly serotonergic antidepressants are effective for PMS. Further evidence for the role of serotonin in PMS is that tryptophan, the essential amino acid that serves as a dietary precursor for serotonin, and fenfluramine (Pondimin and Redux), which stimulates serotonin neurotransmission, also appear effective against PMS. Moreover, women with PMS show abnormalities in blood serotonin. What about other antidepressants? Yonkers and Brown write about an ongoing, multicenter trial of venlafaxine (Effexor) for premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). (2) Venlafaxine can be started at 25 mg bid to manage side effects and then increased by 25 to 37.5 mg/day each cycle until remission is achieved. Investigators hope venlafaxine’s rapid onset of action will be beneficial in this type of intermittent disorder. An open trial suggested that nefazodone (Serzone) may be effective against PMDD or premenstrual exacerbation (PME) of a preexisting mood disorder when administered in daily doses of 200 to 500 mg throughout the menstrual cycle. Anxiolytic agents too might have a role to play. Limited data suggest possible efficacy for buspirone (Buspar). Yonkers and Brown also use alprazolam (Xanax) for women with mild PMS symptoms of limited duration. They recommend a starting dose of 0.25 mg bid or tid, increased as needed. In many studies of drugs to treat PMS, agents are administered daily throughout the month. But some women appear to benefit from taking a drug only during the premenstrual week or starting with the first symptom and ending with the beginning of menses. For example, clomipramine (Anafranil) is efficacious when administered only in the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle. Although there are no systematic data on the long-term use of drugs for premenstrual disorders, Yonkers and Brown state that symptom relief appears to be maintained. What else can be done to combat PMS symptoms? Pearlstein cites recommendations to increase complex carbohydrate consumption. (3) When combined with more frequent meals, this strategy might enhance cerebral uptake of tryptophan, thereby making more serotonin available. Some women find exercise alleviates symptoms. Other nonpharmacologic strategies include cognitive behavioral therapy and relaxation training. When symptoms of PMS, PMDD, or PME rise to the level of clinical significance, serotonergic antidepressants often can bring relief, with dosage and timing individualized for each patient. Recommendations for diet, exercise, and other nonpharmacologic strategies — as alternatives or additions to drug treatment — also can be considered based on preferences and circumstances. (1) Brown WA: PMS: A quiet breakthrough. Psychiatr Ann 1996; 26: 569-570. (2) Yonkers KA, Brown WA: Pharmacologic treatments for premenstrual dysphoric disorder. Psychiatr Ann 1996; 26: 586-589. (3) Pearlstein T: Nonpharmacologic treatment of premenstrual syndrome. Psychiatr Ann 1996; 26: 590-594.

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Thanks Chip, I’m actually saving this in my files. BTW, I do feel much better today, and will from now on increase my celexa dose during PMS. I’ve actually learned a lot over the last couple of days. I apologize if I snapped anyone’s head off in the meantime. Bye, Maria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Int Clin Psychopharmacol 1999 May;14 Suppl 2:S27-33 Serotonin reuptake inhibitors for the treatment of premenstrual dysphoria. Eriksson E Department of Pharmacology, Goteborg University, Sweden. Premenstrual dysphoria (PMD) is a severe form of premenstrual syndrome, afflicting approximately 5% of all women of fertile age. The cardinal symptoms are irritability and anger. In addition, sadness, tension and carbohydrate craving are common complaints. The symptoms surface regularly between ovulation and menstruation, and disappear completely within a few days after the onset of the bleeding; in patients with remaining symptoms during the follicular phase, alternative diagnoses should be considered. In a large number of recent trials, serotonin reuptake inhibitors (clomipramine, citalopram, fluoxetine, paroxetine, sertraline) have been shown to reduce the symptoms of PMD much more effectively than placebo; in contrast, non-serotonergic antidepressants (maprotiline, bupropion) appear to be ineffective. Interestingly, the onset of action of clomipramine and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) is much shorter when used for PMD than when used for depression, panic disorder, or obsessive-compulsive disorder. Consequently, patients with PMD can restrict the medication to the luteal phase of the cycle. In a recent placebo-controlled trial, intermittent administration of the SSRI citalopram was shown to reduce the symptoms of PMD significantly better than placebo, but also better than continuous administration of the drug. A reasonable interpretation of the latter, unexpected finding is that continuous medication may be associated with a certain development of tolerance than can be avoided by intermittent drug administration. The observation that the symptoms of PMD may be effectively reduced by SSRIs is of considerable clinical importance since previously no effective treatment for this common condition – apart from those disrupting ovarian cyclicity – has been available. It is also of theoretical importance because it constitutes one of the first pharmacological observations supporting the concept that serotonin may dampen irritability and anger in humans. PMID: 10471170, UI: 99397771

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Int Clin Psychopharmacol 1999 May;14 Suppl 2:S27-33 Serotonin reuptake inhibitors for the treatment of premenstrual dysphoria. Eriksson E Department of Pharmacology, Goteborg University, Sweden. Premenstrual dysphoria (PMD) is a severe form of premenstrual syndrome, afflicting approximately 5% of all women of fertile age. The cardinal symptoms are irritability and anger. In addition, sadness, tension and carbohydrate craving are common complaints. The symptoms surface regularly between ovulation and menstruation, and disappear completely within a few days after the onset of the bleeding; in patients with remaining symptoms during the follicular phase, alternative diagnoses should be considered. In a large number of recent trials, serotonin reuptake inhibitors (clomipramine, citalopram, fluoxetine, paroxetine, sertraline) have been shown to reduce the symptoms of PMD much more effectively than placebo; in contrast, non-serotonergic antidepressants (maprotiline, bupropion) appear to be ineffective. Interestingly, the onset of action of clomipramine and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) is much shorter when used for PMD than when used for depression, panic disorder, or obsessive-compulsive disorder. Consequently, patients with PMD can restrict the medication to the luteal phase of the cycle. In a recent placebo-controlled trial, intermittent administration of the SSRI citalopram was shown to reduce the symptoms of PMD significantly better than placebo, but also better than continuous administration of the drug. A reasonable interpretation of the latter, unexpected finding is that continuous medication may be associated with a certain development of tolerance than can be avoided by intermittent drug administration. The observation that the symptoms of PMD may be effectively reduced by SSRIs is of considerable clinical importance since previously no effective treatment for this common condition – apart from those disrupting ovarian cyclicity – has been available. It is also of theoretical importance because it constitutes one of the first pharmacological observations supporting the concept that serotonin may dampen irritability and anger in humans. PMID: 10471170, UI: 99397771

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its been documented that ssri’s and benzo’s blood plasma levels change when women ovulate and vice versa when they don’t-since you are changing your bodies ability to ovulate the plasma levels may drop somewhat-you may want to ask your doc to augment some benzo or ad meds with your next shot-medroxyprogesterone acetate is a known sensitizer of depression-you can just try and pamper yourself until the effects slough off LM

Margrove, you hit the nail on the head again. I took extra celexa today, thinking at least it will do "something." (I don’t think she’s gonna go for increasing my benzos, and I don’t want to ask her to), but I had a really nice nap, and feel better. That is a very very very good idea. I think I will increase my celexa during this time of the month. It was a one time shot (depression is putting it mildly, I was thinking of ways to end my life). It is still in my system, and I can feel the effects during this time of the month. Thanks, Maria

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Maria, Being male, I can’t personally relate to PMS, but the hormonal character of panic disorder has given me some appreciation of the subject. Valerie Davis Raskin, MD, wrote a very good book titled, "When Words Are Not Enough; The Women’s Prescription for Depression and Anxiety." The book is not too expensive and written for the general public, so you may want to buy a copy via Amazon or some other book shop. It covers a lot of issues that are important to women who suffer from anxiety and depression. Best Wishes, Arthur

Thankyou for that information Arthur. I remember it being one of the trivia questions, but I didn’t know what it was about. Maria

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Hi Cindy, For the first time since I got this shot, I feel that "someone understands." My face actually lit up while reading this. (not that they had to go through the horrid mess, but that I’m not alone). It was a one time shot…..that was enough…it just about killed me. (literally). Thankyou for the information!! Maria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can hardly keep my thoughts together today…..I’m not going in to work again today. ….and, when I called in, she tried to make me feel guilty. It’s almost like my hormones override these medications. I become overly sensitive, irritable, paranoid, fearful, anxious, restless…..just to name a few symptoms. I know that stupid depo shot is still in my system. I can feel it. I don’t have anything to grip on to, and this is a horrible feeling. Maybe that’s why that show Greed kept my heart pounding last night. I know this will go away in a few days, but what do I do in the meantime? I haven’t done a "pity party" post for awhile, so I guess it was overdue. My doc is out of town AGAIN for the weekend….. I feel like Sharyn today…..I just want to cry. ( Maria Maria – YIKES…..deprovera. I’ve heard enough nightmare stories from my two daughters and my soon-to-be daughter-in-law. All three have had unpleasant reactions to it and some very unpleasant effects getting off. It might be of some comfort to know that your emotional reaction to the provera in depovera is typical. Also know that symptoms of normalizing can go on for 18mo to two years. The progesterone in depovera is a chemically synthesized progestin, not natural hormone and SOME people are terribly sensitive to it. The good news is that although it’s EXTREMELY uncomfortable, kind of like your skin wants to walk off your body and your brain wants to escape, it DOES eventually go away. Some months you may find your own production of hormones will fluctuate and some months may be worse than others. Other chemically synthesized birth control hormones can have the same effect and even when stopped it can take up to and longer than a year to normalize your natural horomes. So you aren’t going crazy, it’s just the hormones talking and it WILL go away. for more information about what you, in your particular situation, can do to help yourself get right sooner…a book I highly recommend (easy read too)…. "Hormonal Health" Michael Colgan, MD. Hope this helps KC Cindy

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: I can hardly keep my thoughts together today…..I’m not going in to work again : today. ….and, when I called in, she tried to make me feel guilty. It’s : almost like my hormones override these medications. I become overly sensitive, : irritable, paranoid, fearful, anxious, restless…..just to name a few : symptoms. I know that stupid depo shot is still in my system. I can feel it. : : I don’t have anything to grip on to, and this is a horrible feeling. Maybe : that’s why that show Greed kept my heart pounding last night. : I know this will go away in a few days, but what do I do in the meantime? : I haven’t done a "pity party" post for awhile, so I guess it was overdue. : My doc is out of town AGAIN for the weekend….. : I feel like Sharyn today…..I just want to cry. : ( : Maria Hi Maria, Being male, I can’t personally relate to PMS, but the hormonal character of panic disorder has given me some appreciation of the subject. Valerie Davis Raskin, MD, wrote a very good book titled, "When Words Are Not Enough; The Women’s Prescription for Depression and Anxiety." The book is not too expensive and written for the general public, so you may want to buy a copy via Amazon or some other book shop. It covers a lot of issues that are important to women who suffer from anxiety and depression. Best Wishes, Arthur

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I can hardly keep my thoughts together today…..I’m not going in to work again today. ….and, when I called in, she tried to make me feel guilty. It’s almost like my hormones override these medications. I become overly sensitive, irritable, paranoid, fearful, anxious, restless…..just to name a few symptoms. I know that stupid depo shot is still in my system. I can feel it. I don’t have anything to grip on to, and this is a horrible feeling. Maybe that’s why that show Greed kept my heart pounding last night. I know this will go away in a few days, but what do I do in the meantime? I haven’t done a "pity party" post for awhile, so I guess it was overdue. My doc is out of town AGAIN for the weekend….. I feel like Sharyn today…..I just want to cry. ( Maria

Maria – YIKES…..deprovera. I’ve heard enough nightmare stories from my two daughters and my soon-to-be daughter-in-law. All three have had unpleasant reactions to it and some very unpleasant effects getting off. It might be of some comfort to know that your emotional reaction to the provera in depovera is typical. Also know that symptoms of normalizing can go on for 18mo to two years. The progesterone in depovera is a chemically synthesized progestin, not natural hormone and SOME people are terribly sensitive to it. The good news is that although it’s EXTREMELY uncomfortable, kind of like your skin wants to walk off your body and your brain wants to escape, it DOES eventually go away. Some months you may find your own production of hormones will fluctuate and some months may be worse than others. Other chemically synthesized birth control hormones can have the same effect and even when stopped it can take up to and longer than a year to normalize your natural horomes. So you aren’t going crazy, it’s just the hormones talking and it WILL go away. for more information about what you, in your particular situation, can do to help yourself get right sooner…a book I highly recommend (easy read too)…. "Hormonal Health" Michael Colgan, MD. Hope this helps KC Cindy

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Not all side effects are due to medication, even placebos trigger them!

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Ian, Thank you for the information you sent to me about Zoloft withdrawal. Do you know if it will be easier for someone like me who is only on 37 1/2 mg. to get off of, verses someone who is on alot more? Or does that matter? Do you know how long of a weaning period it should take? I am really starting to get nervous. I had terrible withdrawals getting off of Klonopin. Thank you for

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The short answer is yes, it should be easier to wean off a low dose compared to a higher one. However, the long answer may give a different picture. Your 37.5mg dose is so low that, in theory, you should be able to stop, cold turkey, without problems. Withdrawal from antidepressants is different to that from benzodiazepines. This is partly due to the comparatively long half-life of ADs, in some cases it can take more than a month for all traces of an AD to be eliminated from the body. And the way ADs work can also lessen the severety of withdrawal. On the down side, the long half-life means that the weaning process can be a drawn out process. But, ‘withdrawal’ encompasses many factors, not all related to the chemistry of the medication/drug. Both the psychological stress of withdrawal and, possibly, the return of the anxiety that prompted medication originally can have a big affect. From reading your earlier posts, it seems that you are looking forward to being med free and this may help you to negate/overcome the psych. stress component. Whether your anxiety will return as the Zoloft is reduced is another matter. In theory, being below the accepted therapeutic dose, would suggest that the Zoloft hasn’t have been comtributing much, if anything, to any lessening of anxiety. However, our individual responses to medication is different and its possible that you have been deriving far more benefit than would be the case with someone else. Unfortunately, the symptoms of anxiety and withdrawal can be much the same, so for some time it will be difficult to know which factor is driving any symptoms. Do you know how long of a weaning period it should take?

Aah, the how long is a piece of string question. I don’t know, it all depends on you. As I’ve already stated, your low dose should make it comparatively easy to stop, but individual factors and psychology will play a part. The only suggestion is to reduce by a quarter initially and remaining at that level for 7-10 days, or until any withdrawal symptoms disappear. Then reduce by another 1/4, etc. If your run into major problems then either a smaller daily reduction, say 1/8th, or even taking the reduced by 1/4 dose only every second days (eg: 37.5mg, 28mg, 37.5, 28 etc) until you’re stabalised, then dropping to the 28mg for another week can also work. I am really starting to get nervous. I had terrible withdrawals getting off of Klonopin.

I doubt that you have much to worry about. The withdrawal symptoms of ADs are, in most cases, not as severe as those from benzodiazepines and you are only coming down from a low base. Although I’ve had real problems with starting a new AD, weaning off has presented few difficulties, even from very high doses. Your biggest problem is likely to come from your mind, especially as its been affected by your Klonopin experience (BTW-IMO your probs were probably more psych than chemical). So the best thing you can do is to prepare mentally for the changes your doctor proposes. And if you don’t feel ready, then stay on the meds until you are. Ulimately, your are in charge of your mins and body, not the doc.

Well its knowledge mainly gained from the experiences of those that contribute to this NG. You can help by keeping us informed of your progress. Your experiences, good and bad, will go into the knowledge pool and may help someone else. Good luck and take care Ian

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If there is one subject that consumes most of our attention, it is that of the side effects of medications, particularly anti-anxiety meds. However, not all the S.Es we experience are due to the chemistry of these medications. During drug trials even benign placebos generate far more S.Es in volunteers with anxiety disorders than in volunteers without a disorder. Common effects reported from placebos include: nausea, headache, dizziness, sleepiness,insomnia, fatigue, depression, numbness, hallucinations, itching, vomiting, tremor, tachycardia, diarrhea, pallor, rashes, hives, ataxia, and edema, to name a few. (Source: Merck Manual, Section 22 – Clinical Pharmacology, Sub. Sect: 283 PLACEBOS) So while some of the side effects experienced when beginning medications are undoubtedly due to the medication’s chemistry, some are also the result of our mind’s psychological reaction to the medication. And probably the more ‘pill phobic’ you are the more likely you are to experience psychological side effects. Ian

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getting through the anxiety

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hi people , i’m new to this group. just a little short question here. my therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation. will it help alleviate the axiety indirectly ? has anyone ever got to suppress the extreme anxiety they suffer, through combination of benzo and anti-dep ? thanks. btw, are there any anxiety support groups in singapore ?

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Kelvin schreef: hi people , i’m new to this group. just a little short question here. my therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation. will it help alleviate the axiety indirectly ? has anyone ever got to suppress the extreme anxiety they suffer, through combination of benzo and anti-dep ? thanks. btw, are there any anxiety support groups in singapore ?

Hi Kelvin UND welcome at ASAP, Many antidepressants, among which the SSRI-class, are first choice meds for anxiety. The combo with a benzo (which one do you have prescribed?) is a common and sensible one. You should give Luvox about 6-8 weeks max. to kick in. You may experience some side effects like heigtened anxiety in the first few weeks, although the benzo will probably take care of that. Philip

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: hi people , i’m new to this group. Hello, Welcome to ASAP! : just a little short question here. my : therapist prescribed some SSRI (luvox) together with some benzo to help me : with my general anxiety problems ( which has been on going for a few years : by this time ). i was just wondering how would an SSRI being an : anti-depresent help me in an anxiety situation. will it help alleviate the : axiety indirectly ? has anyone ever got to suppress the extreme anxiety they : suffer, through combination of benzo and anti-dep ? thanks. SRIs (same as SSRIs) are called antidepressants simply because that is what such medications were first used for. SRIs address problems with serotonin balance, and serotonin balance is sometimes the cause of depression and/or anxiety disorders. Benzodiazepines, on the other hand, address problems with another hormone/neurotransmitter called cholecystokinin (CCK), which can also be a cause of anxiety disorders. It is typical for benzos to be prescribed with SRIs. Basically, as your body adjusts to the SRI, your serotonin levels will go through some changes, and this can result in changes of CCK as well. In such cases, the benzo helps control the CCK during this adjustment period. It’s also important to note that in some cases serotonin balance may not be the cause of an anxiety disorder. Some cases seem to be much more related to CCK. In such cases, SRIs seem unnecessary and the disorder may be best treated with a benzo alone. : btw, are there any anxiety support groups in singapore ? I don’t know. Singapore is a bit outside of my neighborhood. (I live in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US) Best Wishes, Arthur

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Kelvin All cases are different. In my case, I was prescribed some ativan to take until the SSRI I took kicked in. I was on zoloft which I have weaned myself off of, to go on 5-HTP which seems to be doing the trick without all the side effects of zoloft. The SSRI you are on, lovox, I am not familiar with, but I am sure if your doctor knows you have anxiety attacks, that SSRI will help. Zoloft helps with anxiety and depression, but takes about 6 weeks to kick in. Once it kicked in, I was able to wean, VERY SLOWLY, off of the ativan. In fact, I will never take ativan again, since it was so hard to get off of. sharryn

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I was on Prozac for three years for pretty severe anxiety. It worked very well, though it took a while for it to take care of all my anxiety. Then it pooped out on me (which SSRIs tend to do), and left me in quite a bind psychologically. (I should also say that I suspect that when it pooped out it actually made my anxiety worse–my anxiety now is worse than it was before I had started Prozac.) This is just my opinion, of course, but I think that for long-term treatment of anxiety, benzos are a better bet than SSRIs. We know that benzos are safe, they have fewer side effects, and they don’t poop out. But, if there is depression along with the anxiety, an SSRI or an SSRI and a benzo together are a good choice. Though many doctors would rather keep someone on an antidepressant long-term for anxiety rather than a benzo, you might want to think about going with just the benzo after things stabilize with the anxiety (in 6 months to a year or so). Again, I’m not a doctor, but I’d much rather be on something I know is safe long term than take my chances with something that is such that we don’t know its long-term effects. (I myself am on Zoloft and a benzo right now for anxiety and depression caused by the anxiety, but in six or so months (given that the depression lifts) I plan on going with just the benzo. Anyway, good luck with your treatment! Best, Matt

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