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Anyone know of a home supplier of Flovent and Serevent that bills through MEDICARE. Thank you!
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Anyone know of a home supplier of Flovent and Serevent that bills through MEDICARE. Thank you!
Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Flovent 220 » Flovent and brusing
I’ve had bruising and tearing of skin far too easily – even kneading bread in a bowl will cause small hemmorhages where the arms rub! I take Flovent, Serevent and Accolate – now after 3 weeks of 500mg vit. C BID, I think there is some small improvement. Plan to increase dosage gradually and see if the effect is enhanced. Will post more – eventually! Jan
I have begun to notice a few things that are causing me to be a little nervous. I am brusing very easily. I am developing a lot of spider veins in my legs. I have a cluster of viens on top of the shen bone on my lower leg and I have a vein that has kind of popped out about 4 inches below my knee on that same leg. I am seeing my Dr. tomorrow, he always tells me flowvent doesn’t get into my system and not to worry about any thing. Do these symptoms sound like I should be concerned? I feel great and would hate to give up my flowvent, but I wonder if I wouldn’t be just fine with a smaller dose.
What does the insert that came with your medication say about side effects and adverse reactions? There should be a phone number for the manufactuer in the insert, maybe you should call and ask them directly? ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am currently taking flovent 220, 2 sprays in morning and 2 in the evening. I originally started out taking 4 sprays in am and pm,back in Nov 96. My Dr. slowly reduced me to my current dosage last March. This has been a miricle drug for me. The first relief from asthma attacks in over 10 years. In fact I have not had an attack since the second week of Nov 96, they used to be a daily occurance. I have begun to notice a few things that are causing me to be a little nervous. I am brusing very easily. I am developing a lot of spider veins in my legs. I have a cluster of viens on top of the shen bone on my lower leg and I have a vein that has kind of popped out about 4 inches below my knee on that same leg. I am seeing my Dr. tomorrow, he always tells me flowvent doesn’t get into my system and not to worry about any thing. Do these symptoms sound like I should be concerned? I feel great and would hate to give up my flowvent, but I wonder if I wouldn’t be just fine with a smaller dose. Barbara
You are taking a High Dose of Flovent (880 ug fluticasone/day), per the Expert Panel Report 2. A Low Dose is 88-264 ug/day, a Medium Dose is 264-660 ug/day, a High Dose is 660 ug/day. The High Dose is prescribed for Severe Asthma. Also recommended in addition to the steroid inhaler is a long-acting bronchodilator; a Serevent inhaler or theophylline SR (Theo-Dur) These tend to be steroid sparing drugs. Other steroid sparing drugs new on the market are Accolate & Zyflo. Then you should have a short-acting bronchodilator like albuterol for rescue. It’s possible you are having the steroid side effect which results in thin delicate skin. It is best to use the minimum dose of steroid to control the symptoms, especially at the medium & high doses. A peak flow meter can be used to help assess the lung function; you want to stay in the green zone, 80% of personal best. Then an Action Plan should be used to increasemeds including steroid inhaler, in the event of an asthma exacerbation.
It may prove easier to taper down if you switch your Flovent to the medium strength inhaler (Flovent 110) Perhaps you could then try 3 puffs twice a day (with doctor’s approval of course). To minimize side effects make sure to use a spacer, like an AeroChamber, with the Flovent. Wash mouth & gargle after inhaling. Then get Serevent or Theo-Dur if you don’t already have it; & a albuterol inhaler for rescue. A book that explains this is ‘The Asthma Sourcebook’, Francis Adams, MD, c96. http://home.earthlink.net/~francisva/news.html Ellis
Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Singulair And Flovent » Difficulties Breathing, Congestion
I saw a cardiologist today, & got an echocardiogram. It’s major heart failure. Some more tests will be done, then it’s probably defibrilator?(restarts heart?) or heart transplant, or just meds while I wait for a heart donor. This super sux! Had I been told about all the dangers, probable harm done, ongoing expenses, pain & suffering, ….. ongoing major wastes of time, resources, & effort, …… before I went through the regular govt-regulated cancer cr*p-care, ….. then I’d probably have opted out of it, & tried something else. There has to be something better than this total BS, and the extreme lack of quality medical testing & care afterwards. Maybe it looks better on the oncologist’s reports, to say "the cancer patient died after successfully completing chemo & rads", ….. rather than say "the cancer treatments were worse than the cancer could have been", & caused heart failure & multiple other serious health problems, which killed the patient? The cardiologist thinks that the cancer treatments are responsible for destroying my heart. I think that the injuries of Jan. 1998, damaged my heart, ….. & that the chemo treatments (esp. Arimidex), did more damage. Cancer care has proved a major betrayal of trust. It’s been like pulling teeth, to get any testing & diagnosis of the severe difficulties breathing, which has now proved to be congestive heart failure, ….. & to get to see a cardiologist. I had an echocardiogram done earlier today (7:30 AM) in Longview, but the results never came in, so we had to do another one locally, late this afternoon. Nothing works right here! It’s a constant battle to get anything done, esp. concerning health care. Avoid Texas & Louisiana when seeking health care. The quality controls/etc. are NOT enforced here. [The Texas State Board of Medical Examiners, like most other govt agencies here, is a bad joke.] The laws have been set-up/rigged, so you can’t sue the bad docs, hospitals & such, regardless. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Sure does!! Seems like one physical problem should be the limit for a person. Good luck!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a cardiologist today, & got an echocardiogram. It’s major heart failure. Some more tests will be done, then it’s probably defibrilator?(restarts heart?) or heart transplant, or just meds while I wait for a heart donor. This super sux! Had I been told about all the dangers, probable harm done, ongoing expenses, pain & suffering, ….. ongoing major wastes of time, resources, & effort, …… before I went through the regular govt-regulated cancer cr*p-care, ….. then I’d probably have opted out of it, & tried something else. There has to be something better than this total BS, and the extreme lack of quality medical testing & care afterwards. Maybe it looks better on the oncologist’s reports, to say "the cancer patient died after successfully completing chemo & rads", ….. rather than say "the cancer treatments were worse than the cancer could have been", & caused heart failure & multiple other serious health problems, which killed the patient? The cardiologist thinks that the cancer treatments are responsible for destroying my heart. I think that the injuries of Jan. 1998, damaged my heart, ….. & that the chemo treatments (esp. Arimidex), did more damage. Cancer care has proved a major betrayal of trust. It’s been like pulling teeth, to get any testing & diagnosis of the severe difficulties breathing, which has now proved to be congestive heart failure, ….. & to get to see a cardiologist. I had an echocardiogram done earlier today (7:30 AM) in Longview, but the results never came in, so we had to do another one locally, late this afternoon. Nothing works right here! It’s a constant battle to get anything done, esp. concerning health care. Avoid Texas & Louisiana when seeking health care. The quality controls/etc. are NOT enforced here. [The Texas State Board of Medical Examiners, like most other govt agencies here, is a bad joke.] The laws have been set-up/rigged, so you can’t sue the bad docs, hospitals & such, regardless. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a cardiologist today, & got an echocardiogram. It’s major heart failure. Some more tests will be done, then it’s probably defibrilator?(restarts heart?) or heart transplant, or just meds while I wait for a heart donor. This super sux! Had I been told about all the dangers, probable harm done, ongoing expenses, pain & suffering, ….. ongoing major wastes of time, resources, & effort, …… before I went through the regular govt-regulated cancer cr*p-care, ….. then I’d probably have opted out of it, & tried something else. There has to be something better than this total BS, and the extreme lack of quality medical testing & care afterwards. Maybe it looks better on the oncologist’s reports, to say "the cancer patient died after successfully completing chemo & rads", ….. rather than say "the cancer treatments were worse than the cancer could have been", & caused heart failure & multiple other serious health problems, which killed the patient? The cardiologist thinks that the cancer treatments are responsible for destroying my heart.
Adriamycin? Eva
Adriamycin? I think it was that & Taxol, but I’d have to go back & check the Google archives. However, the chemo seemed as nothing, when compared to the severe adverse effects of Arimidex. Arimidex super-inflamed my whole body, itching, burning, hurting (pain beyond belief), …. I couldn’t stand up without collapsing, couldn’t breathe, couldn’t walk & function (usually had to keep trying all day, to be able to get up & do anything) ….. super-bad chemically-induced depression, which got worse when I tried to move around & do things. Arimidex went to every injury & super-reinflamed them, plus it went to most of the uninjured parts & super-inflamed them too. It weakened just about everything, so that when I tried to walk, it would injure the muscles & such in my foot, ankle, leg, …. my wrist, hand, fingers would get very sore & inflamed. For me, Arimidex was a nightmare. After about 18 months, the Arimidex caused sudden acute lymphedema, …. which condition lessened a great deal once I stopped taking Arimidex. After it swelled, the arm was so painful, itching, burning, ….. that I would react on a primitive level with "cut it off", "gnaw it off", anything, "just get it off", …. & have to stop myself. It was that bad. Shortly after that, despite the doc’s warnings & his constant strong denials ["It is Not the Arimidex."], I stopped taking Arimidex. I learned that much of the damage done by Armidex, is not reversible. It destroys most normal feelings in the body. I was very concerned that these side effects had not been reported, until the oncologist smirked & said (finally admitted), ….. that the adverse reactions I was having, were normal with Arimidex, that they were common. ?! The docs just meet & know us for a short while, but their relationship with the PHARMA companies (& their expensive & harm-filled drugs) goes on & on. At the Cancer Center in Longview, there’s a room devoted to this, to the PHARMA experiments, ….. which I did NOT choose to be a part of, but was (Arimidex). It will be interesting to learn which cancer drug is the most responsible for causing the major heart failure. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Su-Texas, could you not have switched to Tamoxifen rather than remain bedridden for 18 months? I do know two people who had side-effects from Arimidex, one decided to take Tamoxifen, and the other decided to take neither. To the best of my knowledge they are still doing well. The doc refused to switch me, until the very end, & the other estrogen-blocker-stuff had similar bad effects. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Arimidex super-inflamed my whole body, itching, burning, hurting (pain beyond belief), …. I couldn’t stand up without collapsing, couldn’t breathe, couldn’t walk & function (usually had to keep trying all day, to be able to get up & do anything) ….. super-bad chemically-induced depression, which got worse when I tried to move around & do things. Arimidex went to every injury & super-reinflamed them, plus it went to most of the uninjured parts & super-inflamed them too. It weakened just about everything, so that when I tried to walk, it would injure the muscles & such in my foot, ankle, leg, …. my wrist, hand, fingers would get very sore & inflamed. For me, Arimidex was a nightmare. After about 18 months, the Arimidex caused sudden acute lymphedema, …. which condition lessened a great deal once I stopped taking Arimidex.
Su-Texas, could you not have switched to Tamoxifen rather than remain bedridden for 18 months? I do know two people who had side-effects from Arimidex, one decided to take Tamoxifen, and the other decided to take neither. To the best of my knowledge they are still doing well. Marilyn
Avoid Texas & Louisiana The best I can remember, Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, is heavily involved in using/testing Arimidex, ….. so they’ll push it regardless, no matter how much harm it’s doing. Avoid Universities It’s best to avoid the universities (medical schools) if at all possible, when seeking medical care, …… mostly because of their special interests (PHARMA grant money for the school, students & professors), …… their over-pushing of whatever experimental drugs they’re paid to, …… & their use of students (the un- or under-skilled) as doctors. Many doctors can’t do a semi-decent job of medical care, much less students. And at Parkland/Aston/SWMed in Dallas, they basically let their students run wild, ….. run some clinics, such a Spine & Joint, without adult/teacher supervision. ?! The profs would rather be elsewhere. It’s shocking how bad (a total waste of time & $$$, how lacking & harmful) the medical care at universities can be. I can’t see how Parkland could get a good rating anywhere, esp. not in Best Hospitals. ?! It’s a charity hospital in Dallas, that’s run as such. The area & bldgs are quite dangerous, esp. riding the elevators. No quality care for patients who do have money or good insurance. It’s one lie, meanness & run-around after another, while you get no medical care for years. And they do NOT care about complaints. Since Medicare & other insurance companies have agreed to pay docs, no matter how bad, inferior, or lacking the care, …… there’s no quality control. For the most part, you can’t convince the insurance Not to pay. This needs to be changed. The laws which prevent us from suing the docs, & which limit damages, also need to be changed. There needs to be some accountability, for the major misconduct, fraud & harm being done by the doctors, universities, hospitals. Since the Breast Clinic at Methodist Hospital in Houston, is run by the Baylor College of Medicine there, ….. it’s Not going to be a good place for info or help. M D Anderson was worse. LSU (a charity hospital) much, much worse. What I was told, is that Baylor/Methodist & MDA work on the same projects for the PHARMA companies, so there’s not much difference in the two, ….. except that people with good insurance or with money, choose Methodist. Both places have proved losers. Avoid Texas & Louisiana if at all possible, when seeking health care. Political Fraud & Graft/Greed When politicians want to waste taxpayer money in large amounts, then they’ll hire their buddies to build something, usually badly, ….. such as the unnecessary bombing out & then "rebuilding" (ain’t gonna happen) of Iraq, …… such as the building & promotion of the huge Texas Medical Center in Houston, ….. such as the building of rehabilitation centers around Texas, which are basically holding-cells for the injured, rather than places to get testing, diagnosis & good care, ….. such as building schools. Just because MDA or any other place is billed as "good" by the media (by another university), ….. does Not make it so. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions PS Some Justice Please! At this point, I feel very angry & hurt, very badly betrayed by the MDs & their ongoing BS, their lies, cons, swindles. I think the oncologists should be force-ted their own poisons, then put in stocks on the public square for people to spit at, throw things at, pee on, jeer. They deserve no respect, no rewards, for the harm they’re doing. They deserve only the worse. And I’m hoping & praying, they get it, both in this life & the next. May they suffer horribly, fester & rot in their own vile/bile. May the spirits of those they’ve horribly harmed & murdered, haunt them for the rest of their days, ….. & be waiting to grab & rip their sorry souls apart in the most painful of ways, at their moment of death, ….. to torture & punish them for all eternity & beyond. May these hellish, lying, thieving vermin (docs) from hell, never know one moment’s peace. May they face only justice without mercy.
Adriamycin? I think it was that & Taxol, but I’d have to go back & check the Google archives. However, the chemo seemed as nothing, when compared to the severe adverse effects of Arimidex. <snip It will be interesting to learn which cancer drug is the most responsible for causing the major heart failure.
Well, Adriamycin a/k/a doxirubicin is *known* to be "cardiotoxic." Unlike you, I was warned of this before I started taking it. So is Herceptin, which is why I first asked you about that. My oncologist is very careful about this and keeps checking me and sending me for tests whenever I am taking these drugs. When you mentioned the words "heart transplant," that’s when I thought of Adria, because I have read stories of women needing heart transplants years after taking it. In fact, one of those stories was posted here last year, it was from the NY Times IIRC and was about a Christian couple whose marriage vows were being severely tested by the aftereffects of the wife’s breast cancer treatment. I’m not being sarcastic here, Susan, but do you ever read the "patient information" brochure or look it up on rxlist.com before you take a drug? Even though, as I said, my oncologist conscientiously warns me about possible side effects, I still take the time to look everything up before I ingest it. Eva
CHF is usually very easy to diagnosis via chest xray. http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=330 Sorry to hear about your new diagnosis. I don’t know if this is related to your breast cancer. Alex —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. At the ER, I begged & pleaded & gasped, struggling desperately to hold on, ….. to get them to test for & find what’s wrong. The ERs have refused to do so, since Jan. 1998. Yesterday morning, the docs, including my cancer doc (oncologist), refused to see or help me, even though it was an emergency. I couldn’t breathe. [One GP said he'd see me at 11 AM (but that I'd have to sit & wait for an opening then, which I could not do), ..... but that it would be best to go to local ER. The local ER (ETMC) is referred to here as "the death trap", so I wasn't going there.] Most ERs here are death traps, dangerous, ….. & places to be avoided at all costs. So it was a major betrayal that no doc would help or refer me, or intercede for me yesterday, & I had to go to an ER. Usually the docs game plan seems to be, to act as determinedly dumb & dastardly as possible, to say/do/advise the wrong things, to delay & cost you the most $$$ possible, until you suffer to death horribly, in the most traumatic & terrifying ways. It’s the Medical Industry (govt, corporate & PHARMA run), NOT medical care. It’s also dangerous to go to an ER alone here. I was assaulted by an ER doc [Raymond J0rdan] in Oct. 2000 at the local ER. He seemed to get off on it, to enjoy doing harm, doing serious harm. He dislocated my C1 disc, & the brain is now collapsing on it. He looked surprised afterwards, probably that this hadn’t killed me. He was/is a DO, not an MD. The nurses just stand there & watch, & then refuse to testify later. It’s a major betrayal, but also typical of basic/primitive human nature. Since many ERs here hire rotate-a-docs, ….. that is, any doc whom a service can recruit (from all over Texas & from neighboring states), & bring in to work a shift at an ER, ….. the ERs are very dangerous. It was difficult to go to an ER yesterday, & try to beg & negotiate for help. Yesterday morning, I phoned a pulmonary specialist I’d seen a few months back, & his workers told me to go to the Good Shepherd ER & ask for him to come. This does help to get care at ERs, if they think you can get a specialist there, ….. that is, if the ER docs refuse to or can’t test & diagnose. So, when the ER doc seemed reluctant, & said that he probably wouldn’t find what the other docs couldn’t, ….. I’d ask him again to call in the specialist. And I’d remind him, that it (the specialist, the testing & diagnosis) needed to be called/ordered before 5 PM, …. or the specialist might not come, & testing not get done. I’d remind him that I was in such bad shape, I probably couldn’t make it back to Longview again. Whatever, ….. it worked. I got some testing & a diagnosis this time. It seems that this (CHF) is what has been wrong, since I fell (hit pavement & slid) in Jan. 1998, ….. but the docs refused to see or diagnose it, & they called it acute chronic bronchitis, recurring sinus infections, gastrointestinal distress, etc. CHF must be extremely difficult to see or diagnose, …. since hundreds of doctors, including those at the universities in Texas & Louisiana, have kept missing it since Jan. 1998. I was also put through surgeries & cancer treatments (2001 through 2003), while in congestive heart failure. The docs have sold me a lot of PHARMA cr*p over the years, INSTEAD OF diagnosing what I had & selling me what I needed. They’ve stood back & watched me suffer & beg. And they’ve smirked. I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors, & believe we need our rights back so we can sue them for the harm they’re knowingly doing, for the harm-filled cr*p they’re constantly pushing & selling us. I do have renewed hope, now that I know what it wrong. CHF must be common, because of the number of people who post about the symptoms of it on the internet, ….. but they (& I) don’t know what it is, & the docs don’t tell us. The docs can sell a lot of pharma drugs & do a lot of further damage, by not telling us about CHF. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure.
Had you been taking Herceptin? Eva
Had you been taking Herceptin? No. Never. Susan, Su_Texas
Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. At the ER, I begged & pleaded & gasped, struggling desperately to hold on, ….. to get them to test for & find what’s wrong. The ERs have refused to do so, since Jan. 1998.
Susan, here is a link I found from the American Heart Association that has lots of information and is encouraging. It describes treatment options: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/104/18/e89 Joan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday morning, the docs, including my cancer doc (oncologist), refused to see or help me, even though it was an emergency. I couldn’t breathe. [One GP said he'd see me at 11 AM (but that I'd have to sit & wait for an opening then, which I could not do), ..... but that it would be best to go to local ER. The local ER (ETMC) is referred to here as "the death trap", so I wasn't going there.] Most ERs here are death traps, dangerous, ….. & places to be avoided at all costs. So it was a major betrayal that no doc would help or refer me, or intercede for me yesterday, & I had to go to an ER. Usually the docs game plan seems to be, to act as determinedly dumb & dastardly as possible, to say/do/advise the wrong things, to delay & cost you the most $$$ possible, until you suffer to death horribly, in the most traumatic & terrifying ways. It’s the Medical Industry (govt, corporate & PHARMA run), NOT medical care. It’s also dangerous to go to an ER alone here. I was assaulted by an ER doc [Raymond J0rdan] in Oct. 2000 at the local ER. He seemed to get off on it, to enjoy doing harm, doing serious harm. He dislocated my C1 disc, & the brain is now collapsing on it. He looked surprised afterwards, probably that this hadn’t killed me. He was/is a DO, not an MD. The nurses just stand there & watch, & then refuse to testify later. It’s a major betrayal, but also typical of basic/primitive human nature. Since many ERs here hire rotate-a-docs, ….. that is, any doc whom a service can recruit (from all over Texas & from neighboring states), & bring in to work a shift at an ER, ….. the ERs are very dangerous. It was difficult to go to an ER yesterday, & try to beg & negotiate for help. Yesterday morning, I phoned a pulmonary specialist I’d seen a few months back, & his workers told me to go to the Good Shepherd ER & ask for him to come. This does help to get care at ERs, if they think you can get a specialist there, ….. that is, if the ER docs refuse to or can’t test & diagnose. So, when the ER doc seemed reluctant, & said that he probably wouldn’t find what the other docs couldn’t, ….. I’d ask him again to call in the specialist. And I’d remind him, that it (the specialist, the testing & diagnosis) needed to be called/ordered before 5 PM, …. or the specialist might not come, & testing not get done. I’d remind him that I was in such bad shape, I probably couldn’t make it back to Longview again. Whatever, ….. it worked. I got some testing & a diagnosis this time. It seems that this (CHF) is what has been wrong, since I fell (hit pavement & slid) in Jan. 1998, ….. but the docs refused to see or diagnose it, & they called it acute chronic bronchitis, recurring sinus infections, gastrointestinal distress, etc. CHF must be extremely difficult to see or diagnose, …. since hundreds of doctors, including those at the universities in Texas & Louisiana, have kept missing it since Jan. 1998. I was also put through surgeries & cancer treatments (2001 through 2003), while in congestive heart failure. The docs have sold me a lot of PHARMA cr*p over the years, INSTEAD OF diagnosing what I had & selling me what I needed. They’ve stood back & watched me suffer & beg. And they’ve smirked. I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors, & believe we need our rights back so we can sue them for the harm they’re knowingly doing, for the harm-filled cr*p they’re constantly pushing & selling us. I do have renewed hope, now that I know what it wrong. CHF must be common, because of the number of people who post about the symptoms of it on the internet, ….. but they (& I) don’t know what it is, & the docs don’t tell us. The docs can sell a lot of pharma drugs & do a lot of further damage, by not telling us about CHF. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Congestive Heart Failure <snip I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors,
Well, Sue, if you don’t trust them I suggest that you stop seeking advice from them and look at alternative treatments. But, please, consider what your posts might be doing to other, frightened women who are new to this group. This newsgroup is alt.SUPPORT.cancer.breast, people come to seek positive advice, to gain comfort or, by using their good experiences to give support both to newly diagnosed people and to those whose condition is progressing. We really don’t need a constant barrage of criticism of the people most of us do trust – and want to trust. They are the doctors of all kinds who have done their best to heal our bodies and spirits and, in most cases, succeed. Doctors aren’t magicians and of course there are mistakes made sometimes – the wo/man who never made a mistake never made anything. Most of us, though, want to trust our doctors, most of us do and most of us – even if our diagnosis is less than we’d like – stay positive and make the most of our lives. I know that I owe my life to two skilled surgeons and their teams. I owe much of my well-being to a series of supportive GPs and their practices. I can’t be unique. Also, we’ve been inspired on this group by some magnificent women who have advised, cheered, amused us even when they’ve eventually died. We’re saddened by their loss but privileged to have known them. We don’t want or need to hear medical care damned. If you’re not happy with your care don’t have it but please, please, don’t discourage others. Mary
Congestive Heart Failure At an ER yesterday, which I barely managed to get to in another city (kept having to pull off road & collapse), ….. I was diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. At the ER, I begged & pleaded & gasped, struggling desperately to hold on, ….. to get them to test for & find what’s wrong. The ERs have refused to do so, since Jan. 1998. Yesterday morning, the docs, including my cancer doc (oncologist), refused to see or help me, even though it was an emergency. I couldn’t breathe. [One GP said he'd see me at 11 AM (but that I'd have to sit & wait for an opening then, which I could not do), ..... but that it would be best to go to local ER. The local ER (ETMC) is referred to here as "the death trap", so I wasn't going there.] Most ERs here are death traps, dangerous, ….. & places to be avoided at all costs. So it was a major betrayal that no doc would help or refer me, or intercede for me yesterday, & I had to go to an ER. Usually the docs game plan seems to be, to act as determinedly dumb & dastardly as possible, to say/do/advise the wrong things, to delay & cost you the most $$$ possible, until you suffer to death horribly, in the most traumatic & terrifying ways. It’s the Medical Industry (govt, corporate & PHARMA run), NOT medical care. It’s also dangerous to go to an ER alone here. I was assaulted by an ER doc [Raymond J0rdan] in Oct. 2000 at the local ER. He seemed to get off on it, to enjoy doing harm, doing serious harm. He dislocated my C1 disc, & the brain is now collapsing on it. He looked surprised afterwards, probably that this hadn’t killed me. He was/is a DO, not an MD. The nurses just stand there & watch, & then refuse to testify later. It’s a major betrayal, but also typical of basic/primitive human nature. Since many ERs here hire rotate-a-docs, ….. that is, any doc whom a service can recruit (from all over Texas & from neighboring states), & bring in to work a shift at an ER, ….. the ERs are very dangerous. It was difficult to go to an ER yesterday, & try to beg & negotiate for help. Yesterday morning, I phoned a pulmonary specialist I’d seen a few months back, & his workers told me to go to the Good Shepherd ER & ask for him to come. This does help to get care at ERs, if they think you can get a specialist there, ….. that is, if the ER docs refuse to or can’t test & diagnose. So, when the ER doc seemed reluctant, & said that he probably wouldn’t find what the other docs couldn’t, ….. I’d ask him again to call in the specialist. And I’d remind him, that it (the specialist, the testing & diagnosis) needed to be called/ordered before 5 PM, …. or the specialist might not come, & testing not get done. I’d remind him that I was in such bad shape, I probably couldn’t make it back to Longview again. Whatever, ….. it worked. I got some testing & a diagnosis this time. It seems that this (CHF) is what has been wrong, since I fell (hit pavement & slid) in Jan. 1998, ….. but the docs refused to see or diagnose it, & they called it acute chronic bronchitis, recurring sinus infections, gastrointestinal distress, etc. CHF must be extremely difficult to see or diagnose, …. since hundreds of doctors, including those at the universities in Texas & Louisiana, have kept missing it since Jan. 1998. I was also put through surgeries & cancer treatments (2001 through 2003), while in congestive heart failure. The docs have sold me a lot of PHARMA cr*p over the years, INSTEAD OF diagnosing what I had & selling me what I needed. They’ve stood back & watched me suffer & beg. And they’ve smirked. I’ve extremely little faith or confidence in doctors, & believe we need our rights back so we can sue them for the harm they’re knowingly doing, for the harm-filled cr*p they’re constantly pushing & selling us. I do have renewed hope, now that I know what it wrong. CHF must be common, because of the number of people who post about the symptoms of it on the internet, ….. but they (& I) don’t know what it is, & the docs don’t tell us. The docs can sell a lot of pharma drugs & do a lot of further damage, by not telling us about CHF. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER I have breast cancer, J. You don’t. [...]…. then get lost, troll.
You got that part right, Susan. Burt’s a troll http://tinyurl.com/d6476 J
Why is medical care so danged lacking? Partly because doctors are humans, not gods (whatever some surgeons might think), and partly because medical science does not have an answer to every human ailment. If you see the object of medicine as being to keep you alive, then it has a guaranteed 100% failure rate.
What’s more, if a patient doesn’t trust the available medical care there’s no point in taking advantage of it 
Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim Jackson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER I have breast cancer, J. You don’t. I had some bad experiences with the cancer treatments, & have many health problems, partly as a result of that. This is a place where women with breast cancer ask for advice & support, …. ask if someone’s had similar experiences & what they did about it. If you can’t handle the heat, & want to continue insulting women with cancer, & giving bad & harmful advice (as you’ve done to me in the past), ….. then get lost, troll. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Susan, I had three bouts of bronchitis with asthma while undergoing radiation, and after treatments ended. My doctor said radiation weakens the immune system. The last bout was in March, and I took Amoxicillin, but it did not clear up. A doctor then gave me Z-Pack and an inhaler, and it cleared up in about a week. I have been fine since then, but it took about 3 months to get over it. Sometimes it takes several antibiotics to find the right one. I hope this information will be helpful. Joan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
I need to find some kind of medical care, that can help with this. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Su- please don’t take this as an insult but, IMO, you, like many of us, are a doctor’s worse nightmare. Unfortunately, from my experience, they are able to treat it if they can see it on an xray or some test points it out to them but if what you have does not fit the normal pattern, they seem to have a tendency to just give drugs and fluff you off. What you seem to need with all your problems is a good diagnostic team of doctors experienced in many fields who can check you out with all the medications you are taking and see if any of your other medical problems, meds, or lifestyle are triggering off these new congestion problems you have. Is there any hospital available in your area which does such diagnostic tests with a team of doctors? That would be a lot easier on you than having to go from one to the other in your condition. I know you love your dogs but have you told your doctors you are a caretaker of animals? Could any of your congestion problems be caused by some allergy you have acquired due to the animals? I know you might say, you had the dogs before you got this new congestion but maybe your system was not as weak as it is now and you were able to handle animals without a problem. I would be sure to let them know about the dogs and what type they are. This could take a lot of detective work on your part like checking out your living quarters and new foods you may be eating. The doctors won’t do this for you. You need to feed them the helpful information they need so they can try to figure out what the cause is. Doctors just don’t seem to have the time any more to be diagnosticians. Just my opinion and I do hope you can find the help you need soon. Bea
When the doc listens to my lungs, he says "wheezing".
That would indicate bronchospasm. The smallest of airways in the bronchial tree have muscles around them that can decrease the size. That usually maes it harder to get air out than toget it in, and you hear a high-pitched sound as the air gets out through the narower space. When I try to lie down for a while, there are weird sounds in my chest, like rattling, gurgling, whimpering(?), as I struggle very hard to breathe.
Those noises indicate mucous and/or pus accumulating in the airways. The combination of inflammation of the airways (bronchitis) and wheezing is called asthmatic bronchitis. Unlike simple asthma (which is not so simple), this is thought to depend on chemicals made by microorganisms in the lung, not external allergens (e.g., pollen) or irritants (e.g., a variety of industrial chemicals). I need to find some kind of medical care, that can help with this.
There are a number of medicines that can be used in combination. It is expensive, of course. Antibiotics intermittently will help control infection when it flares up. Short-acting adrenalin-like drugs, such as albuterol, may relieve the spasm for a while. Corticosteroids (cortisone-like drugs) will decrease the inflammation that results. Because this group of drugs has some potent undesireable side effects, it is best when possible to take them as an inhaled dose rather than as pills. That delivers a higher concentration of the medicine to the lungs without overdosing the rest of the body. Sometimes, however, oral medicines like prednisone are needed in the therapeutic mix. These are slow to help with an attack and must therefore be taken on a regular basis to prevent attacks. Leukotriene inhibitors like Singulair and Accolate (zaphirlukast and montelukast in some order) may help decrease the frequency and/or severity of attacks. Long-acting adrenalin-like drugs are also available as inhalers. These prevent, rather than break attacks. A combination of a corticosteroid and long-acting adrenergic drug is sold under the brand namne Advair, and is an excellent drug. A drug called cromolyn sodium prevents certain white cells from releasing histamine, and is a preventive medicine. It works well, but will not usually solve the problem byu itself. More or less the sme types drugs are availabe for nasal allergies. In addition, antihistamines often help that a lot. There is even a nasal spray, Astelin, that is an antihistamine. Of course, if you have known allergies, you should try to avoid them. Bare floors and no pets are good ways to start. If there are tasks, like perhaps vacuuming or lawn mowing, wearing a mask may help. A gauze mask is not a very effective filter, but the paper masks used in surgery and sold in lumber ards will often help prevent problems if worn during the tasks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Chronic Sinus Infection and/or Bronchitis, which infects & re-infects lungs, stomach, etc.? Recently, I’ve had extreme difficulties breathing, & can barely stand, walk or move around now. For many months, the docs have tried one antibiotic after another, so far without good results. The last try was also with cortisone. Thursday, I learned about (not from the doc), asked for & got a nebulizer (?) machine to use at home, ….. but I’m going to need much more than that! In Jan 1998, I was severely injured (head to toe, esp. spine, …. from hitting pavement & sliding in a fall, due to ongoing unsafe conditions at a shopping mall), which started constant drainage. This resulted in chronic acute bronchitis. In Oct. 2000, I survived an assault at the local ETMC ER, which resulted in dislocated C1 disc with brain collapsing on it. This increased the drainage. In 2002, I went through chemo & rads for cancer, & the Arimidex, which can damage stuff. I’ve read about & tried everything I can, to try to help control the drainage some & the negative effects of it, so I can to keep going, …. but my air is now cut off. Even using the nebulizer, I get short gasps, which get less & less. Monday, I’m going to ask the docs if there is a suction machine for the congestion. Or any other machines that might help. I’m going to ask for another heart test to check for damage from the cancer treatments. I’m going to ask for a scooter to get around until things get better. I have dogs to feed & care for, as well as myself, …. lawsuits to bring, …. & a very predatory & sadistic birth-family to fight off & back, each time they attack. I can’t afford to be this sick & weak. What should I ask the docs? Why is this happening? What’s wrong? Why the congestion, pressure, shortness of breath? Why can’t I breathe? [Why don't the docs have a clue what's wrong?!] Why do they just prescribe antibiotics which don’t work, as my condition has obviously gotten extremely bad, critical. Why are the docs so danged slow, & so reluctant to offer explanations or options, when they can see there’s something seriously wrong, a life & death type situation? Why?! Why is medical care so danged lacking? Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
When the doc listens to my lungs, he says "wheezing". When I try to lie down for a while, there are weird sounds in my chest, like rattling, gurgling, whimpering(?), as I struggle very hard to breathe. I need to find some kind of medical care, that can help with this. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER
Chronic Sinus Infection and/or Bronchitis, which infects & re-infects lungs, stomach, etc.?
I just heard a story about someone who thought they had a chronic sinus infection but it turned out to be a malignant tumor which was inoperable because it was so close to the optic nerve. I think they said it was being treated with radiation. Unfortunately I can’t remember any other details. Eva
WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH BREAST CANCER I have breast cancer, J. You don’t. I had some bad experiences with the cancer treatments, & have many health problems, partly as a result of that. This is a place where women with breast cancer ask for advice & support, …. ask if someone’s had similar experiences & what they did about it. If you can’t handle the heat, & want to continue insulting women with cancer, & giving bad & harmful advice (as you’ve done to me in the past), ….. then get lost, troll. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
I can’t afford to be this sick & weak.
Disease has no respect for circumstances, indeed it tends to exploit the weak and injured and old. The poor get sick a whole lot more than the rich. It doesn’t care what you can afford. What should I ask the docs? Why is this happening? What’s wrong? Why the congestion, pressure, shortness of breath? Why can’t I breathe? [Why don't the docs have a clue what's wrong?!] Why do they just prescribe antibiotics which don’t work, as my condition has obviously gotten extremely bad, critical.
What else can they do by way of a cure? If it isn’t a bacterial infection, what is it? If it is a bacterial infection then they have to try to find an antibiotic that works against it. Unfortunately a lot of infections are resistant against common antibiotics, simply because they are that, common, and we tend to overuse them. So they have to keep trying different ones. The only other things they can do are basically palliative, they could give you oxygen if your breathing is so badly compromised that it is life threatening. They could try steroids to reduce the inflammation in the short term. I don’t know, I’m not a doctor and I only know about cancer. Why are the docs so danged slow, & so reluctant to offer explanations or options, when they can see there’s something seriously wrong, a life & death type situation? Why?!
I guess they don’t know what is going on. A bunch of symptoms doesn’t always lead to an obvious diagnosis, especially when the situation is complicated by co-morbidities, i.e. more than one problem at a time. Usually the diagnostic process consists of making a guess and trying a treatment, then revising the diagnosis in the light of response (or lack of) to treatment. Why is medical care so danged lacking?
Partly because doctors are humans, not gods (whatever some surgeons might think), and partly because medical science does not have an answer to every human ailment. If you see the object of medicine as being to keep you alive, then it has a guaranteed 100% failure rate. Tim Jackson
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am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to
the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon
I could be in trouble…. MAC Mac, didn’t you say you’re on 25 mg Zoloft? I think this is way too much to start out on – no wonder you’re feeling panicky. Try cutting that pill in quarters and take one of those a day. Then add one quarter per week. Most doctors just don’t seem to realize how sensitive some of us are to meds. That’s why so many people think they don’t work for them. Dot
Hi, Mac, I would assume it is a short-lived side effect of the antidepressant. Don’t fret, just let the feelings pass and try to tell yourself it is just a side effect and will go away in a couple of days… ((((((Mac)))))) smiles, Elise
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Hey Mac, steady on. It WILL pass! Its just a sneaky SOB. Can’t see it, can’t control it, damn it. We all know the feeling! Just a question for you, when do you take which meds? I discovered that I cannot take the atenolol in the AM, I have to take it at night before bedtime. I go to sleep quicker and don’t notice any other side effect. If I take it in the AM I’m crashing –feel faint and dizzy, just like a PA– about 2 hours later. When I take it in the AM my pulse rate is about 60 at 11 AM, when I most need to be percolating at full steam and starting the restaurant workday. I know you said a few weeks ago that the atenolol didn’t affect you anymore, but you might look at it again. Sometimes just an increment of personal control can shift our inner stabilizer to a more neutral position. You can also take the zoloft at night, or now, as you wean on, take half in the AM and half at bedtime. Zoloft is "splittable". I did that for financial reasons in the past, 100 mg Zoloft costs the same as 50 mg, so my rx were written for 100 mg and take 1/2 daily, saved me a bundle of money when I paid out of pocket!!! YMMV yada yada but use what tools you have to accomodate this bump. You’ll be on the other side of the hump soon! HUGS, Mac. Hang ON! Sue
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:I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust :went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this :worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC Dear Mac, "Sometimes" antidepressants can "temporarily" increase anxiety while weaning on them. Now…….I`m not saying that zoloft caused your panic, only your doctor could make that determination but he needs to know about this. Call your doctor! Take care. Jackie ~*~As soon as you trust yourself you will know how to live~*~ ~Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe~
I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC
MAC you are starting to get really boring. You are a smart guy. You have been told many times how the meds work, that they take time. I’m sorry you don’t have the time, but until the meds level off you are best to take a bedroll and park your butt on your docs doorstep. Or convince one of these ASAP types you are so fond of to come stay with you for a few days. I’m sure any number of them would like an expenses paid trip to Seattle.<g
Please call your doctor Mac! You’ve been having extremely high anxiety because of this job situation. I’m not surprised that you had another PA. Please call and get some assurance from him. Try to breathe slowly in Di
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I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC
Yes what Jackie said is true. I tried Prozac a year back without a benzo and quit REAL QUICK. IT made my anxiety terrible. so now I have gone a year without it and am getting ready to start a benzo. I am thinking after being on a benzo for a month or so I might try an AD. Mac just know that it is probably the SSRI causing the extra anxiety and that once you get used to it and have the benzo for a back up you will probably feel better than you have in YEARS! I like the idea of an SSRI long term but not until I get on a benzo and get calmed down. I also have a big move coming up soon. Why I finally decided to get a benzo :) Good Luck! Dustin
I am getting realy concerned – having another huge panic attack and Ijust went to the pdoc yessterday. On Zoloft and Ativan. If I don’t get this worked out soon I could be in trouble…. MAC
I disagree with your response that a hallucinagen did NOT give a PA. Ever since a hullucinaginec triggered my first one, I have had them pretty bad for awhile. I never had one prior, and even though I have not used in over two years I still get them occasionally.
I thought the same thing for years – that a bad trip gave me years of anxiety and panic. At some point, though, I realized I had always been a "weird" kid, had nightmares all the time and a lot of fears. I think an intense drug experience can reconnect you to your primal fears, but it doesn’t change who you are. In fact, I’m more relaxed now than I was _before_ the drug experience, because I’ve faced some of the fears that I had tucked away in the back of my mind. Therapists have always told me that the bad trip didn’t really matter; maybe I’ve finally been brainwashed. But I remember obsessing endlessly for the first 2 years: "Why did I ever take that trip? I’m never going to be the same again!". That obsession fed my panic much more than any actual memory of the experience. I agree that there’s a certain trauma that we can go through as a result of a bad experience, but the mind can heal itself over time. This is why I think that PTSD may be different from panic disorder. I sure would like a real psychiatrist to clear this up for me! I am soooooo relieved that I am not the only person to feel likeme. It seems that no one else has residual effects. Also, I refuse to take Xanax, due to the fact that its addictive. Drugs have made me so paranoid to take anything including tylenol. I wish I could share my experiance with everyone so no one else has to go though it. Whoops, didnt mean to climb up a soap box, just happy to hear ( dismally ) that i am not the only one…
Me too. I didn’t know anything about PD for years; I just assumed that I had damaged my brain and was going to pay for the rest of my life. Thank God for the healing power of the mind. I’m still not sure that it matters whether we have our first PA while on a drug, in an exam, or on a plane – a PA is miserable no matter what triggers it! One more thing – like you, I was once very reluctant to go near ANY drug. I guess you only need to get burned once to stay away from the stove. BUT, looking back, I wish I had looked into meds, as they would have helped a lot (and did in later years). As long as you’re under doctor’s supervision, there’s no reason to fear Xanax or any other _prescription_ drug. YMMV, but I think most here will tell you that meds helped, rather than hurt them. Good luck! John S.
I disagree with your response that a hallucinagen did NOT give a PA. Ever since a hullucinaginec triggered my first one, I have had them pretty bad for awhile. I never had one prior, and even though I have not used in over two years I still get them occasionally. I am soooooo relieved that I am not the only person to feel likeme. It seems that no one else has residual effects. Also, I refuse to take Xanax, due to the fact that its addictive. Drugs have made me so paranoid to take anything including tylenol. I wish I could share my experiance with everyone so no one else has to go though it. Whoops, didnt mean to climb up a soap box, just happy to hear ( dismally ) that i am not – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Matthew, It’s not uncommon for a hallucinogenic drug to trigger a first PA. However, this doesn’t mean that the experience GAVE you panic disorder (which you may not even have). It’s important to keep the one-time drug experience in perspective, and not obsess about it. All I can say is, focus on how you’re feeling NOW, and forget about the initial trigger, which is by now inconsequential. Follow some of the great advice on ASAP. I would advise you not to tell the MD about the drug use, because he may not prescribe what you need. Doctors vary widely on this; I had one doctor who wouldn’t prescribe Xanax because I have been sober for 5 years (I quit drinking, so he assumed that I have a tendency toward addiction). BTW, your post describes my foray into panic disorder (in 1982) very well. Don’t let it get you down; you’ll survive this! Cheers, John S.
Matthew, It’s not uncommon for a hallucinogenic drug to trigger a first PA. However, this doesn’t mean that the experience GAVE you panic disorder (which you may not even have). It’s important to keep the one-time drug experience in perspective, and not obsess about it. All I can say is, focus on how you’re feeling NOW, and forget about the initial trigger, which is by now inconsequential. Follow some of the great advice on ASAP. I would advise you not to tell the MD about the drug use, because he may not prescribe what you need. Doctors vary widely on this; I had one doctor who wouldn’t prescribe Xanax because I have been sober for 5 years (I quit drinking, so he assumed that I have a tendency toward addiction). BTW, your post describes my foray into panic disorder (in 1982) very well. Don’t let it get you down; you’ll survive this! Cheers, John S.
Hi, this is my first time posting here so please bare with me. I’ll start off by saying that I have no idea what is going on with me, and I’m looking for info, help, whatever you can give me. I’m 21, male and untill now, pretty outgoing. about three months ago, I smoked some marijuana with a new workmate (something I never do) I had a very bad experience with it (I’m not sure what you’re supposed to feel like when high, but I’m sure this was not what it was supposed to feel like) well, I eventualy came down, about two weeks later, late at night, I’m readying myself for a shower, and BAM, I feel like I did when I was high that day, now I am going to have a hard time explaining what it feels like, but I’ll give it my best shot. I feel like I can’t think, even know I can, concentration is all but gone, I feel real tence, like I can’t calm down, can’t even realy watch TV. I get mild heart palpitations, and sometimes I get this feeling of not being real, my vision is funny, but I can’t explain that, KIND of like double vision, but not realy. and sometimes I get this feeling that washes over me and is gone within say 5 – 10 seconds, like I am realy zoned out. this has been going on ever since. a few weeks ago, it started to get better, and I was starting to enjoy life again, and do the things I once had, then this last monday, I got a migraine, it went away, the folowing night I got another one, and I took some migraine pain reliefe wich got rid of it, well, as the migrain went away, that feeling came back, and it’s been with me again ever since. I went to the doctor shortly after I started feeling like this and he gave me recomendation for blood work, wich I couldn’t afford seeing as I have not been able to work since this started happening. PLEASE don’t judge me for the drug use as it is something I do not do. any onfo or similar experiences would VERY much be apreciated. thank you so much for your time, Matthew.
I was just fine an hour or so ago. But my life is way stressful right now. I’m having chest pains and shortness of breath, thinking irrationally. Well, at least I know I am thinking irrationally! Somebody please TELL ME I’M NOT DYING.
I was just fine an hour or so ago. But my life is way stressful right now. I’m having chest pains and shortness of breath, thinking irrationally. Well, at least I know I am thinking irrationally! Somebody please TELL ME I’M NOT DYING.
Wendy – you are *NOT* dying! Really! What’s happening is that you are having a panic attack. I’d say "that’s all" but no one who has ever suffered one would underplay the vicious terror of these things. Please just hang on in there and, if you’re not, *get some treatment*…. Keep posting, keep reading – please let us try to help you. <hug — Gary Cooper
Somebody please TELL ME I’M NOT DYING.
My dear Wendy, As long as you are able to read this message, you are definitely NOT DYING! Get an ice cream, and go and watch the telly… try not to think about the fact that you are probably in the middle of a major (easier said than done, I know). If you are reading this message 24 hours after posting yours, then you know you got through it! Yours, PaNick!
I don’t think so
I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee
Melodee writes:
<< I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! Hi Melodee! I had a very bad reaction to Serzone, including constant headaches…my pdoc told me there is a small percentage of people who will react badly to this particular drug because of a liver enzyme that reacts to it. I don’t know if this is what is happening to you, but my pdoc felt that was the problem with me…at any rate, you shouldn’t be having constant headaches! I think it’s time to get off the Serzone… << I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee I have read Dr. Shipko’s reserach with great interest, and, although I have not directly communicated with him, I feel that his approach and findings make a LOT of sense…JMO. I DO know that Tofranil is a good med for PD. I also, however, am a huge believer in Xanax…without it, no matter WHAT ad I was on, I had no panic relief. I take 4-5 mgs. of Xanax per day…many people feel that is a "high" dose, but it has worked consistantly for me for about 10 years straight. As you know, everyone’s mileage varies when it comes to dosing, but I believe Xanax is sure worth a try!!! I know trying new meds is scary, but suffering with bad side effects and/or panic is NOT necessary! If I were you, I’d try another med, and give yourself a chance to start feeling better!!!:) Hang in…you are not alone! Best, ~~Char*) "You’re just jealous because the little voices talk to ME!"
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee
I had terrible results with Serzone too. Tofranil is known to be a good panic/anxiety med. Personally after years of different medication trials I take Nortriptyline, which is in the same class as Tofranil, with xanax (and a very small amount of Prozac) and it is the best combination I have ever been on and I will happily stay on it for the rest of my life is needs be. I have to say though..the xanax has saved my life and made me a free and healthy person finally..I know there are a lot of scary stories about addiction and blah blah out there but for a lot of us with this type of disorder it is a very very good medication. I also follow the PDI BBS and read what Dr. Shipko writes and I have a great deal of respect for his opinions and advice. I would give the Tofranil a try, with xanax in lower doses if you are afraid to go the higher dosage route with Xanax alone. Best of luck to you and please post how it goes! May — "Every time I feel the urge to exercise, I lie down until it goes away." – Mark Twain
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee
Dear Melodee, I think you should certainly get off the serzone and try another medication. Medications don’t work the same for everyone, but Tofranil is an older and *well* tested medication that does work very well with PD for many people – myself included. My life turned around when I combined Tofranil and Xanax together. Until then I had tried numerous meds and lived a life of hell. I slowly increased both dosages (with the help of my understanding physician) and now I have been at 150 mg Tofranil at bedtime with 4 mg Xanax per day for about 2 years straight. This combo has worked well for others also. You may want to give it a try. Hope you find relief soon and start feeling better. You’re definitely not in this alone 
John L.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in another crisis, After 2 1/2 months on Serzone I am realizing its just not working that well. I still get nausea, have a strange feeling in my head with some remaining dizziness and lightheadedness and these constant tension headaches! I have been communicating online with the "Panic Disorder Institute" and getting new information on things like how the PD links with the somatic symptoms and it certainly looks like I have an acid reflux condition from the panic and anxiety that causes my inner ear, sinus and throat problems and my digestive problems. This doc recommends Xanax and Carfate for this. But I’m scared again because I’m not sure about trying another benzo and getting to a high enough dose to do any good. But there are other AD’s. He puts Trofranil way up there as a good panic / anxiety medication. What do you think? Desperate, Melodee
Although a certain amount of scepticism may be a good thing, I think you can safely regard Dr. S. at the PDI as a very trustworthy source of information. Often GERD and IBS are part of or at least comorbid with PD. I understand Shipko advised you to take Xanax and Carafate which seems to be a very good combo for this. As a matter of fact they are the meds he himself is on, being a sufferer too. Why are you scared about trying another benzo? It sounds like you had a bad experience with one? It’s an easy med to try. AD’s, on the other hand, have to weaned on slowly to avoid initial side effects and worsening of symptoms. As a matter of fact benzos are often used to help wean on an AD. Tofranil (imipramine) is a TCA (tricyclic antidepressant) which is an oldie but goodie. It’s stil often used for PD. It should be started at 10 mgs and then slowly raised up to therapeutic dose (which can be anywhere between 75-200 mgs and this can be verified by blood work). There is a third way and that’s combining Tofranil & Xanax (and Carafate can be added, this is more for IBS than for the actual Panic Attacks). Actually this is the combo I am on (Tofranil 150 mgs & Xanax 2.5 mgs). It works for me but YMMV. Philip
I have to agree with the rest of the group. Tofrinil (imiprimine) and Xanax are an effective combo… I used both with 10mg. of Paxil. It’s my understading that the SSRI (Paxil) increases the serum level of imiprimine so you don’t have to take as much. Warning: the side effects from imiprimine can be wretched at first….NO saliva, constipation, daytime somnelence, etc… However, as with John L… the combo changed my life too. I was on it for 4 years then DC’d and remained PA-free for 2 years. I’m currently on Zoloft…not as effective as the imiprimine, but I couldn’t handle the side effects anymore. -VJ (another newbie to the group)
Excuse me… Please stop sending html to a newsgroup, please stop yelling and please stop pushing pot use in this group. You may as well push coffee and other caffine drinks.
I am on antdepressants and on Xanax, and still I am in a panic. my dad…who was half owner in my home, and only signed it over to me in July, is now after a stroke and all sorts of complications in need of nursing home care. I have been told, that the fact that he renounced claim in our home is immaterial and that before medecaid will pay for any help, they will take his half of the house…..and I the mortgage is already at my max of capacity. I am divorced and my two sons, 23 and 17 live with me….Mom and dad lived in the apartment downstairs….mom died two years ago. neither has any money, dad makes 1300 a month between his pension and social seucurity. I don’t want to lose my home of these past 10 years, but don’t know what to do…I am in NY and NY is not much in the way of caring I am told….. HELP!!!!!!! Please…..I have been through 5 years of hell with the divorce, mom dying, my sons accident and now this…I can’t take any more please respond in email if you help I am in Orange County NY
I am on antdepressants and on Xanax, and still I am in a panic. my dad…who was half owner in my home, and only signed it over to me in July, is now after a stroke and all sorts of complications in need of nursing home care. I have been told, that the fact that he renounced claim in our home is immaterial and that before medecaid will pay for any help, they will take his half of the house…..and I the mortgage is already at my max of capacity. I am divorced and my two sons, 23 and 17 live with me….Mom and dad lived in the apartment downstairs….mom died two years ago. neither has any money, dad makes 1300 a month between his pension and social seucurity. I don’t want to lose my home of these past 10 years, but don’t know what to do…I am in NY and NY is not much in the way of caring I am told….. HELP!!!!!!! Please…..I have been through 5 years of hell with the divorce, mom dying, my sons accident and now this…I can’t take any more
Hi, Ok.Try to relax a second.It is a really rough time.One of thoses definig lifes moment. I would confer with a GOOD lawyer.This can be worked out,Gov Pataki did the exact same thing with his mother having her sign property over to him.Somebody in social sevices might also be able to help.You must put up a good fight or they’ll beat you for sure.They’re are caring folks out there.My wifes bes friend is a person who has some pull with social services.What part of NY are you in?We also live in NY.EMail me back your info.In times like these your medication is working hard to keep you stablized.Do not panic.You have to convince yourself that there is a way to work this out.Nobody wants to put anybody on the street.See a lawyer ASAP Peace JMiles
yes, i too have to focus on something else..TV doesn’t work because you still focus on what you are feeling, and reading a magazine is too hard when my head is jumbly….actually that is why i love the computer now…before i didn’t use it much , but whenever i have an attack i get online….but not to look up panic stuff, because you want to get it out of your time….catch up on your email or surf some new sites…something not too hard but it helps me….i tried to do the positive thinking thing, but you are still focused on yourself, you have to find some distraction…..try the computer, works wonders for me (along with popping a xanex of course!) jana
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Janet, I have also found that when I am very focused on myself my anxiety attacks get worse. I usually do some breathing exercises if I think of it. But when you are in the moment it’s hard to focus on anything productive, I’ll be the first to admit this. Stay strong and I hope your doctor appointment goes well. Raquel I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas? Hi Janet, when i used to get bad general anxiety attacks at home i tried to keep as busy as i could. Even if i really did’nt feel like it i’d find some painting or gardening to do. Anything so long as i was’nt just sitting there focusing on myself all the time. There were times when i thought i was dying so i know how frightened you feel at the moment but if they found nothing wrong when you had the tests three weeks ago then try to trust that and focus on something outside of yourself. Easy for me to say i know but i felt the same as you this time two years ago. Sorry you feel so bad at the moment, best wishes. Ken.
It sounds like the doctor doesn’t think the arythmias are dangerous. Maybe he just wants to control them because they interfere with your panic control? Anyhow, something I find useful in my self-talk is to ask myself, "will thinking about this right now help?" the answer is usually no. someone posted here that all prroblems can be divided into two groups, those that can be solved by worrying about them, and those that can’t. Right now the arrythmia is in the second category. You have made plans for the next thing to do about them, which is to see the doctor next week. Until then, when you can get more information about what is going on, there is nothing else to do. so try to keep shoving those worries into the second category, and keep them from giving you more trouble. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
Janet, I have also found that when I am very focused on myself my anxiety attacks get worse. I usually do some breathing exercises if I think of it. But when you are in the moment it’s hard to focus on anything productive, I’ll be the first to admit this. Stay strong and I hope your doctor appointment goes well. Raquel
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas? Hi Janet, when i used to get bad general anxiety attacks at home i tried to keep as busy as i could. Even if i really did’nt feel like it i’d find some painting or gardening to do. Anything so long as i was’nt just sitting there focusing on myself all the time. There were times when i thought i was dying so i know how frightened you feel at the moment but if they found nothing wrong when you had the tests three weeks ago then try to trust that and focus on something outside of yourself. Easy for me to say i know but i felt the same as you this time two years ago. Sorry you feel so bad at the moment, best wishes. Ken.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
Hi Janet, when i used to get bad general anxiety attacks at home i tried to keep as busy as i could. Even if i really did’nt feel like it i’d find some painting or gardening to do. Anything so long as i was’nt just sitting there focusing on myself all the time. There were times when i thought i was dying so i know how frightened you feel at the moment but if they found nothing wrong when you had the tests three weeks ago then try to trust that and focus on something outside of yourself. Easy for me to say i know but i felt the same as you this time two years ago. Sorry you feel so bad at the moment, best wishes. Ken.
Janet: A few years back when we had an extremely tragic and stressful situation with one of our kids, I was having the same symptoms as you. My doctor put me on a portable EKG thing for 24 hours and it showed irregular heartbeats. It felt to me as if a large bird was fluttering madly in my chest, trying to break free! — or a fish flopping for its life. This sensation took my breath away and was pretty frightening, especially all night as I tried to sleep. Unlike your doc, however, my family doctor diagnosed stress and anxiety, and immediately put me on Xanax to calm me down. It worked like a charm. The second day after beginning the med, I simply stopped having the palpitations. (I’d had them for about 3-4 months, getting worse all the time.) Do talk to your doctor about the possibility of some anti-anxiety medication to break this anxiety cycle. Good luck, and let us know what happens. Best, Anne —
Whoops! janet, I just re-read your posting and see that you *do* take Xanax. Perhaps you need an increased dosage; talk to your doctor, and if he’s not helpful, seek out a psychiatrist. Sorry I was asleep when I replied! – Anne —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
I’ve been through the positive thinking route and found it’s effectiveness to be very limited. (when one is feeling well it really works!) I’d see a psychiatrist and get on the proper meds to control your anxiety. You sound like you need a higher dose of Xanax and/or another med. If the cardiologist told you to come back in one week, he couldn’t have been too concerned about a serious arrythmia. If he was, you would now be in the hospital being treated for it. Hope this helps, Chip Before you buy.
arrythmias.
big word little consequence unless you have underlying pathology like elctrical conduction problems or clogged arteries-from a medical standpoint what you are experiencing is tantemount to a hiccup or burp- they are uncomfortable only if you define them as awful or life threatening-the stimulating hormones your body is secreting at such high levels all the time are expressed evrywhere like in faster peristalsis of your gut or flutters of your heart these are benign symptoms of anxiety even if your anxiety attacks are controlled you understand you have a proclivity to experience stress and worry so you still are and are expressing it physiologicaly instead of emotively-meds can ease the cardiac contractions or mellow out the conduction time if needed so don’t freak out you aren’t going to die or go crazy. The very worse that will happen if these burps are bad enough is you will pass out and this is the very worse is rare if you are youngish and is still controlable with meds. re read and listen to her stopping scary thoughts tapes and don’t do the what ifs or imagine yourself having a cardiac arrest-once under the care of a cardiac doc you will be fine. LM
I just found this newsgroup and I hope someone out there has experienced what I am now going through and can help me. I’ve been living with panic disorder (on and off symptoms) for almost 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was 2 years ago when I finally found the Midwest Center and went through their 15 week program. It helped tremendously. However, I’m experiencing a set back and am having trouble coping. To make it short, I had learned to calm myself down with positive self-talk (i.e., it’s only my anxiety, I’m not going to die, I’m not going to go crazy, it will pass, etc.). 3 weeks ago, I experienced some very unusual, fluttery feelings in my chest, racing heartbeat, etc. and went to the emergency room. By the time I got there, the feelings had stopped and they didn’t find anything wrong but suggested that I follow-up with a cardiologist. I did and had an exercise stress test. The test revealed that I’m having arrythmias. My doctor wants me to wait 2 weeks before trying medication and if I’m lucky they’ll just stop. Welll, 2 weeks are up and I’m still having them everyday. My anxiety and panic disorder is now full blown. I’m listening to my tapes, taking xanax, and trying not to freak out. But, it’s hard to believe my positive self-talk when, in fact, there really could be something wrong with my heart. Before, I would assure myself that there wasn’t anything physically wrong with me. How can I do that now? Has anyone experienced a similar circumstance? What did you do to help yourself. My next doctors appointment isn’t until next week and I feel like that’s an enternity. I also have a job interview today which I might have to cancel. Can you imagine me sitting there, checking my pulse, holding my breath, spaced out and disoriented at a job interview????? Some impression I’ll make, huh? Please, please anybody….any enouraging words or helpful ideas?
Margrove, Thanks for your reply to my post. You may recall that I talked about Seroquel and Zyprexa and you mentioned that Seroquel was more dose dependent. Could you explain what is meant by that. I was on 5mg Zyprexa and now 100mg Seroquel. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m desperate! In order for my career to go ahead I need to take a whole program of study in the next year and that amounts to a very heavy load each quarter. I haven’t been well, so I don’t know how I can do this. I just turned 50 last year and about three years ago came down with panic/anxiety disorder. I take medications, but none of them work that well. I did OK for awhile on Zyprexa. But now I’m on Seoquel because of the weight problem with Zyprexa. But I’m not sure if the Seroquel is going to work as good. My pdoc also just put me on Depakote about two months ago. It never felt quite right so I’m coming off of it. I don’t feel so good. Could there be some withdrawl symptoms from the Depakote? I was on 1000mg and then went down to 750 for about a week and now I’ve just reduced it to 500mg yesterday. Please help! Dee
Hi Dee! Wish I could help you with the meds, but I don’t know anything about them. Just wanted to give you a hug. You sound like you need one. {{{{{{{Dee}}}}}}} Di
Hi, I’m desperate! In order for my career to go ahead I need to take a whole program of study in the next year and that amounts to a very heavy load each quarter. I haven’t been well, so I don’t know how I can do this. I just turned 50 last year and about three years ago came down with panic/anxiety disorder. I take medications, but none of them work that well. I did OK for awhile on Zyprexa. But now I’m on Seoquel because of the weight problem with Zyprexa. But I’m not sure if the Seroquel is going to work as good. My pdoc also just put me on Depakote about two months ago. It never felt quite right so I’m coming off of it. I don’t feel so good. Could there be some withdrawl symptoms from the Depakote? I was on 1000mg and then went down to 750 for about a week and now I’ve just reduced it to 500mg yesterday. Please help! Dee Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m desperate! In order for my career to go ahead I need to take a whole program of study in the next year and that amounts to a very heavy load each quarter. I haven’t been well, so I don’t know how I can do this. I just turned 50 last year and about three years ago came down with panic/anxiety disorder. I take medications, but none of them work that well. I did OK for awhile on Zyprexa. But now I’m on Seoquel because of the weight problem with Zyprexa. But I’m not sure if the Seroquel is going to work as good. My pdoc also just put me on Depakote about two months ago. It never felt quite right so I’m coming off of it. I don’t feel so good. Could there be some withdrawl symptoms from the Depakote? I was on 1000mg and then went down to 750 for about a week and now I’ve just reduced it to 500mg yesterday. Please help! Dee Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
there is a slight rebound activity that occurs with tapers off depakote-like all psychoactive meds it requires a slow taper-your brain will readjust withina short time to its lack of presence-seroquel works differently then zyprexa and is much more dose dependant both being very respectable meds you may find your responses different as with all medicaments and individual chemistries-as for your course load-push the envelope and as the great zen of nike said-just do it. the worse that will happen is you may succeed. If not so what. LM
Thanks for all your support. Raquel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel
Dear Raquel, As much as you don`t feel like it right now, there is much left to live for. You have a wonderful husband, and you also have Somer, I know how precious he is to you. I know moving is a stress right now, but think of how it may help improve your health in the long run? Has your depression worsened lately? I can`t recall the meds you are on for your asthma, if you are on prednisone, it could be exacerbating your depression. You might want to call your doctor about that. Please hang in there, it will get better. Love Jackie ~*~The great art of life is sensation, to feel that we exist, even in
Dear Raquel, I’m so sorry you are feeling down right now. You have a lot going on at once and it does feel overwhelming. Try to tackle one thing at a time. And then find ways to be kind to yourself and to tell yourself that you are going to get through it. Find ways to have little successes, then you can build on them. I hope you feel better soon. Don’t give up. I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
– Jeannie "On the other hand….you have different fingers." Before you buy.
I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel
Maybe it would be a good idea to break down this accumulation of problems into more manageable parts. – How is your asthma coming along? Do the new meds work? -Maybe you would like to tell us some more about your anxiety problems etc. and how they are treated… I think you should look for a good CBT-therapist. -And what’s with the appartment? How is Brian? He is always so supportive….are you two OK? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before you buy.
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Look for Something just anything that grounds you in the present. (((((((Raquel)))))) Sue
Hi Raquel Just hang in there and go with its flow and try to keep your chin high up. Be extra good for yourself . This bumpy road will stop and things will pick up, its all a matter of time! Keep posting and let us be with you in your hart! Love Jeannette
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I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
Sweetie…. You have plenty to live for… Maybe this move will be one that energizes you. The other issues are hard to rid yourself of, but you know what? There is NO REASON you can’t enjoy life anyhow. MSN is a joke…I tell you what…we signed up for a free month, when we called to cancel (all 6 times) they gave us another free month. Tell them you have a beef and they usually suck up. Find another internet company. We are using prodigy and it was simple as could be. Also I know Juno offers free web service or their ‘premium’ service for only like 10 bucks a month. Not to worry about the news servers….go to deja (as much as I HATE deja) or newsone.com…that is where I posted when my email server wouldn’t work right. Just breathe sweetie…it will all get better. As for your asthma, what meds are you on? I had a lot of trouble with mine until I tried Singulair and it has made a world of difference. They put me on Azmacort (a steroid inhaler) and I never even use it now. I did right after my accident, but then when I stopped I noticed the singulair was going so good I didn’t really need to go back. During the move, take care of yourself. Take long baths after packing, light some candles that smell like your favorite flower and don’t forget to pamper yourself. It does wonders I promise I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel Before you buy.
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I’m not doing to good right about now. Between having to move because of problems with my apartment, anxiety, depression, asthma, fibromyalgia and Hellish problems with MSN, who is charging me Double and doesn’t support any news servers for me, I am about to go insane. Not much left to live for. Raquel you have alot to live for. Are you ok? You have god and your husband.
Be positive. donny Confess your sins. Turn from your sins. Believe in your heart. Ask Jesus to save you.
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deja.com. You have alot to live for. Think of the people that would be affected if you werent around. will PRAY FOR YOU. donny Confess your sins. Turn from your sins. Believe in your heart. Ask Jesus to save you.
Raquel, Life is worth living… You are just experiencing a lot of problems at one time. Try to deal witheach one individually ad it does take some of the stress off your shoulders. smiles, elise
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((((((Deirdre)))))) I wish I had the right words, any words to say right now to you. I’m so very sorry about what happened to you and how you are feeling. Do you have a therapy session or pdoc’s appointment soon. It would do you good to talk with a professional about how you are feeling. Please vent all you need to us. We are here for you. smiles, Elise
I’m close to crashing and burning. Anybody wants to know more check the blog home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952 THanks for caring Anne – it feels really good. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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Thank you Anne, Jackie, Diane, and Elise — and the others who have given me such kind support. I’m still struggling, but I’m doing the best I can. My brother is coming by today on his way to a gig – he’s going to help me gather up all the trash bags and get them to the dumpster. That he’s doing it for Mom rather than for me is expected. That doesn’t matter a lot to me — just a little — but any assistance at all is a gift. I wish I the equivalent of 7 dwarves who could come into my house and whistle while they work, doing all the things I am currently incapable of doing. (Yuck. I hate Disney imagery.) Anyway, thank you all again. I’m still around, just very wobbly both physically and emotionally. Medications help somewhat. I am finding it difficult to meditate: sometimes my brain is racing too fast and furiously, sometimes I just sit and cry. There are three things that keep me going: 1. Mom (she loves me and needs me) 2. the knowledge that I’ve been in this state before and survived 3. my support system, of which ASAP-M is a major part. Thanks again to all, Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
One day at a time. love Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you Anne, Jackie, Diane, and Elise — and the others who have given me such kind support. I’m still struggling, but I’m doing the best I can. My brother is coming by today on his way to a gig – he’s going to help me gather up all the trash bags and get them to the dumpster. That he’s doing it for Mom rather than for me is expected. That doesn’t matter a lot to me — just a little — but any assistance at all is a gift. I wish I the equivalent of 7 dwarves who could come into my house and whistle while they work, doing all the things I am currently incapable of doing. (Yuck. I hate Disney imagery.) Anyway, thank you all again. I’m still around, just very wobbly both physically and emotionally. Medications help somewhat. I am finding it difficult to meditate: sometimes my brain is racing too fast and furiously, sometimes I just sit and cry. There are three things that keep me going: 1. Mom (she loves me and needs me) 2. the knowledge that I’ve been in this state before and survived 3. my support system, of which ASAP-M is a major part. Thanks again to all, Deirdre
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Just wondering how you’re doing… Sending good thoughts your way. xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
I’m close to crashing and burning. Anybody wants to know more check the blog home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952 THanks for caring Anne – it feels really good. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hi Deirdre: I had just read your blog before I posted. :-( Please tell us how we can help. Do you have AIM or Yahoo Messenger? xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
~*~I’m close to crashing and burning. Anybody wants to know more check the Dear Deirdre, I wish I could say or do something to make you feel better. Everything I want heart-breaking and brutally honest. I don`t know if you realize it but you are an incredibly strong, courageous woman, one I admire and care for very much. Good thoughts being sent your way. Hoping you will heal from both your physical and emotional pain one day soon…. (((((Deirdre))))) P.S. Never forget farts in the barn. I still laugh to this day when I think about that ) Jackie ~*~Advice is like snow – the softer it falls, the longer it dwells upon, and the deeper it sinks into the mind~*~ ~~By Samuel Taylor Coleridge.~~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Sorry for top posting, but I agree with Jackie. {{{{{Deirdre}}}}} Love, Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~*~I’m close to crashing and burning. Anybody wants to know more check the Dear Deirdre, I wish I could say or do something to make you feel better. Everything I want heart-breaking and brutally honest. I don`t know if you realize it but you are an incredibly strong, courageous woman, one I admire and care for very much. Good thoughts being sent your way. Hoping you will heal from both your physical and emotional pain one day soon…. (((((Deirdre))))) P.S. Never forget farts in the barn. I still laugh to this day when I think about that ) Jackie
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It’s nice to see you here again, Deirdre. Glad things are pretty much normal for you and your Mom. Just wanted to hear something from you, that’s all. {{{{{Deirdre}}}}}
Thanks, Di — I appreciate that. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Philip, and everyone, The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. Peace to all, Deirdre Hi Deirdre. It is good to read your posts again!! Please can you teach us a little about your meditation methods? I would be very interested in hearing about this!
Hi TJ, I posted about my meditation practice — it has links to downloads and some other info. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hi, Deirdre, Good to hear from you. Glad the meditation is helping with the anxiety. Take care and you know where we are… smiles, Elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip Hi Philip, and everyone, It’s nice to be missed — sorry if I worried anyone. I just haven’t been motivated to post anything. Mostly I feel I have nothing to contribute about anxiety and panic. The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. The weird news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I have been lethargic and uninterested in most things. I can’t quite shake the (irrational?) thought that maybe I need a little anxiety to keep me moving. So, make of that what you will. It feels like depression without sadness. Is that possible? My pdoc du jour is not a lot of help. He’s nice and earnest and looks to be about 14 years old. Lots of reference books and very little real experience. That’s what we po’ folks get. I’m currently taking 60 mg fluoxetine (Prozac) and 150 mg venlafaxine (Effexor) daily. I have clonazepam (Klonopin) on hand but haven’t needed it in quite a while. Same with the trazodone for insomnia. Since pdoc added the Effexor, the only apparent change is an increase in exhaustingly bizarre dreams. I’ve always had wild dreams, but these are way off the charts. I wake up shaking my head in amazement. OTOH, maybe meditation is stripping away layers of the mental onion, so to speak, and I’m getting down to the deeper levels of me. Whatever the case, there’s another unshakable (irrational?) thought: I am just really good at masking total madness. Raging psychosis under the quiet exterior. Once again, pdoc du jour is too green to understand me. I’ll be getting the next pdoc (a new one every summer) in a month or two. We’ll see what the psych professors have dreamed up during the past 12 months. Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. Mom is doing fine, in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally snuggly. I guess that’s my report for now. I’ll try to post more often, but I can’t promise anything. Peace to all, Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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"Deirdre" wrote : The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. The weird news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I have been lethargic and uninterested in most things. I can’t quite shake the (irrational?) thought that maybe I need a little anxiety to keep me moving.
Interesting! I’d expect that it would make you more alert. I need to meditate more myself. You said you’d posted on your meditation practices. Where might we find that? Do you still have your blog? Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. Mom is doing fine, in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally snuggly.
I’m glad family is going relatively well. ;-) Do you have a boyfriend currently? Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Deirdre schreef:
<snip Mostly I feel I have nothing to contribute about anxiety and panic. Anything you write is worth reading.
Sweet talker <lol. The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. The weird news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I have been lethargic and uninterested in most things. I can’t quite shake the (irrational?) thought that maybe I need a little anxiety to keep me moving. Hehe. What kind of meditation do you practice?
see my post "my meditation practice" also — Basically two types of meditation practice that enhance each other. These increase concentration and insight: –mindfulness of the breath –mindfulness of the body –mindfulness of feelings –mindfulness of thoughts And metta meditation, also called lovingkindness meditation. I usually begin each sitting with standard relaxation exercises. In terms of psychiatric benefits, I’m starting to realize that the mindfulness meditations are more suited to combatting anxiety and panic, and the metta meditation is most beneficial against depression. Looks like I need to do more metta:-) You don’t need anxiety in the pathological sense, no one does. But maybe you need other kinds of stimuli?
I download movies a lot. But that’s just really high-tech escapism. I have heaps of books but my attention span isn’t what it used to be. And Mom is still saying "no" when I express my wish for a motorcycle. <sigh It feels like depression without sadness. It sounds like depression to me, some kind of dissociated depression maybe (hm, that sounds *deep*, I wonder what I mean by that).
I think you’re on the right track. "Dissociated" seems accurate. Is that possible? My pdoc du jour is not a lot of help. He’s nice and earnest and looks to be about 14 years old. A child prodigy in psychiatry! Psychiatry needs its very own Mozart.
In musical terms, this guy is more Manilow than Mozart. Well-meaning, but little substance. <snip Did your child pdoc give a reason for prescribing Effexor together with 60 mg of Prozac or is he just trying the next cvombo he can think of?
You win a gold star. He went over the long list of the drugs I’ve had previously, and we decided "Hey, maybe Effexor will be fun." <shrug It doesn’t seem to do much for me. I just dread the inevitable weaning-off, whenever that comes. Lots of horror stories out there. <snip Keep us posted please, maybe this one will be a drooling octogenarian?
<LOL Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. I want to learn it too!
It’s so simple. It requires patience and dedication to practice, but it really is simple. If you can sit and breathe, you can meditate. See my post about my practice for suggestions on how to start. <snip I’ll try to post more often, but I can’t promise anything. It’s not an *obligation*. We’re happy when you post because we *like* you a lot so it’s good to know how you are and you’ve been a lot worse.
Thanks, Philip. I like you, I like this group. I still think you hit the nail squarely on the head with "dissociation". I’m here and not-here. That’s too Zen for me, but still. :-) Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
"Deirdre" wrote : The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had
<snip You said you’d posted on your meditation practices. Where might we find that?
"my meditation practice" is the subject line Do you still have your blog?
Yes. I write stuff there from time to time http://360.yahoo.com/deirdre_faithnomore I write about meditation there, among other topics. Do you have a boyfriend currently?
I honestly don’t know. He who might be the boyfriend is an enigma. He remains in poor health 3000 miles away. I care about him and his wellbeing, but there’s nothing I can do for him other than wish good things for him. In fact, that’s the only thing resembling help that he accepts from me. Anyway, I have my own wellbeing to tend to, and that of my mother, and that’s a lot of tending. I’m all about decreasing suffering, so dwelling on a doomed love relationship is something I avoid. I hope you are well. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
<gently snipped ::Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has ::significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. Mom is doing fine, ::in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily ::changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing ::down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally ::snuggly. Dear Deirdre, It’s nice to see you again. Sorry to hear your Mom is slowing down but glad there have been no crises. Hope you stick around. (((((Deirdre))))) Jackie ~*~"What I cannot love, I overlook."~*~ ~~ Anais Nin — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <gently snipped ::Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has ::significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. Mom is doing fine, ::in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily ::changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing ::down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally ::snuggly. Dear Deirdre, It’s nice to see you again. Sorry to hear your Mom is slowing down but glad there have been no crises. Hope you stick around. (((((Deirdre)))))
Thanks, Jackie ! Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Deirdre schreef: You don’t need anxiety in the pathological sense, no one does. But maybe you need other kinds of stimuli? I download movies a lot. But that’s just really high-tech escapism. I have heaps of books but my attention span isn’t what it used to be. And Mom is still saying "no" when I express my wish for a motorcycle. <sigh
Well, you *are* an adult… you don’t need your mother’s approval. And a motorcycle may just be what the doctor ordered (maybe your insurance company will pay for it 
because it’s *outside*, adventurous, into the world! I didn’t mean movies or books (love them too) but rather interaction with the outside world. It feels like depression without sadness. It sounds like depression to me, some kind of dissociated depression maybe (hm, that sounds *deep*, I wonder what I mean by that). I think you’re on the right track. "Dissociated" seems accurate.
So focussing on everyday practical things seems beneficial. But it takes work and *motivation*. And motivation will never come if you wait for it. You have to act first and the the motivation will follow. As they say "Depression hates a moving target". Is that possible? My pdoc du jour is not a lot of help. He’s nice and earnest and looks to be about 14 years old. A child prodigy in psychiatry! Psychiatry needs its very own Mozart. In musical terms, this guy is more Manilow than Mozart. Well-meaning, but little substance.
LOL. Hate Manilow. Now Mozart is quite a different proposition. <snip Did your child pdoc give a reason for prescribing Effexor together with 60 mg of Prozac or is he just trying the next cvombo he can think of? You win a gold star. He went over the long list of the drugs I’ve had previously, and we decided "Hey, maybe Effexor will be fun." <shrug It doesn’t seem to do much for me. I just dread the inevitable weaning-off, whenever that comes. Lots of horror stories out there.
YMMV, as they say. Did you ever try a TCA? And proper CBT? (Lesse,, how many other abbr. do I know? Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. I want to learn it too! It’s so simple. It requires patience and dedication to practice, but it really is simple. If you can sit and breathe, you can meditate. See my post about my practice for suggestions on how to start.
I did and I think it’s about time for me to go and practice some serious meditation.I did it off and on but that doesn’t work (stoy of my lazy life Thanks for sharing, it sounds inspirational. I’ll try to post more often, but I can’t promise anything. It’s not an *obligation*. We’re happy when you post because we *like* you a lot so it’s good to know how you are and you’ve been a lot worse. Thanks, Philip. I like you, I like this group. I still think you hit the nail squarely on the head with "dissociation". I’m here and not-here. That’s too Zen for me, but still. :-)
One of my favourite Zen text: "Before I was enlightened the trees were trees and the mountains were mountains. When I started to become enlightened the trees weren’t trees and the mountains weren’t mountains. Now that I am enlightened the trees are trees and the mountains are mountains." One of the most profound statements I know. Not that it helps with anxiety/panic/depression Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hi, Deirdre, Good to hear from you. Glad the meditation is helping with the anxiety. Take care and you know where we are… smiles, Elise
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Deirdre schreef: I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip Hi Philip, and everyone,
Well HELLOOOOOOOOOOooooooo! It’s nice to be missed — sorry if I worried anyone. I just haven’t been motivated to post anything. Mostly I feel I have nothing to contribute about anxiety and panic.
Anything you write is worth reading. Anxiety and panic are overrated anyway The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. The weird news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I have been lethargic and uninterested in most things. I can’t quite shake the (irrational?) thought that maybe I need a little anxiety to keep me moving.
Hehe. What kind of meditation do you practice? You don’t need anxiety in the pathological sense, no one does. But maybe you need other kinds of stimuli? So, make of that what you will. It feels like depression without sadness.
It sounds like depression to me, some kind of dissociated depression maybe (hm, that sounds *deep*, I wonder what I mean by that). Is that possible? My pdoc du jour is not a lot of help. He’s nice and earnest and looks to be about 14 years old.
A child prodigy in psychiatry! Psychiatry needs its very own Mozart. I’m currently taking 60 mg fluoxetine (Prozac) and 150 mg venlafaxine (Effexor) daily. I have clonazepam (Klonopin) on hand but haven’t needed it in quite a while. Same with the trazodone for insomnia. Since pdoc added the Effexor, the only apparent change is an increase in exhaustingly bizarre dreams. I’ve always had wild dreams, but these are way off the charts. I wake up shaking my head in amazement. OTOH, maybe meditation is stripping away layers of the mental onion, so to speak, and I’m getting down to the deeper levels of me.
I don’t know if we consist of deeper and more superficial levels. I also doubt that dreams mean anything except what we interpret them to mean (which can be good material, not only for psychodynamic therapy nut for cognitive therapy as well). Did your child pdoc give a reason for prescribing Effexor together with 60 mg of Prozac or is he just trying the next cvombo he can think of? Whatever the case, there’s another unshakable (irrational?) thought: I am just really good at masking total madness. Raging psychosis under the quiet exterior.
That thought indeed sounds quite irrational to me. I don’t subscribe to this concept of the onion either. I do think we can have many different and contradictory thoughts and feelings (when we are awake and when we are dreaming) but I don’t think we’re like vulcanos (which is somewhat like you describe yourself: psychosis raging under the quiet exterior). I think you may sometimes have psychotic episodes and when they’re over they’re over and not somewhere "down there" waiting for th next chance to erupt. I don’t think that way about panic atacks either and I wonder if you do… Once again, pdoc du jour is too green to understand me. I’ll be getting the next pdoc (a new one every summer) in a month or two. We’ll see what the psych professors have dreamed up during the past 12 months.
Keep us posted please, maybe this one will be a drooling octogenarian? Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure.
I want to learn it too! Mom is doing fine, in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally snuggly.
Sounds good to me. I guess that’s my report for now. I’ll try to post more often, but I can’t promise anything.
It’s not an *obligation*. We’re happy when you post because we *like* you a lot so it’s good to know how you are and you’ve been a lot worse. . Peace to all,
Yeah, baby. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hi Philip, and everyone, The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. Peace to all, Deirdre
Hi Deirdre. It is good to read your posts again!! Please can you teach us a little about your meditation methods? I would be very interested in hearing about this! — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip Hi Philip, and everyone, It’s nice to be missed — sorry if I worried anyone. I just haven’t been motivated to post anything. Mostly I feel I have nothing to contribute about anxiety and panic. The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. The weird news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I have been lethargic and uninterested in most things. I can’t quite shake the (irrational?) thought that maybe I need a little anxiety to keep me moving. So, make of that what you will. It feels like depression without sadness. Is that possible? My pdoc du jour is not a lot of help. He’s nice and earnest and looks to be about 14 years old. Lots of reference books and very little real experience. That’s what we po’ folks get. I’m currently taking 60 mg fluoxetine (Prozac) and 150 mg venlafaxine (Effexor) daily. I have clonazepam (Klonopin) on hand but haven’t needed it in quite a while. Same with the trazodone for insomnia. Since pdoc added the Effexor, the only apparent change is an increase in exhaustingly bizarre dreams. I’ve always had wild dreams, but these are way off the charts. I wake up shaking my head in amazement. OTOH, maybe meditation is stripping away layers of the mental onion, so to speak, and I’m getting down to the deeper levels of me. Whatever the case, there’s another unshakable (irrational?) thought: I am just really good at masking total madness. Raging psychosis under the quiet exterior. Once again, pdoc du jour is too green to understand me. I’ll be getting the next pdoc (a new one every summer) in a month or two. We’ll see what the psych professors have dreamed up during the past 12 months. Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. Mom is doing fine, in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally snuggly. I guess that’s my report for now. I’ll try to post more often, but I can’t promise anything. Peace to all, Deirdre
Thanks for chiming in Deirdre. We just want to know you’re alive. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
It’s nice to see you here again, Deirdre. Glad things are pretty much normal for you and your Mom. Just wanted to hear something from you, that’s all. {{{{{Deirdre}}}}} Love, Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip Hi Philip, and everyone, It’s nice to be missed — sorry if I worried anyone. I just haven’t been motivated to post anything. Mostly I feel I have nothing to contribute about anxiety and panic. The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. The weird news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I have been lethargic and uninterested in most things. I can’t quite shake the (irrational?) thought that maybe I need a little anxiety to keep me moving. So, make of that what you will. It feels like depression without sadness. Is that possible? My pdoc du jour is not a lot of help. He’s nice and earnest and looks to be about 14 years old. Lots of reference books and very little real experience. That’s what we po’ folks get. I’m currently taking 60 mg fluoxetine (Prozac) and 150 mg venlafaxine (Effexor) daily. I have clonazepam (Klonopin) on hand but haven’t needed it in quite a while. Same with the trazodone for insomnia. Since pdoc added the Effexor, the only apparent change is an increase in exhaustingly bizarre dreams. I’ve always had wild dreams, but these are way off the charts. I wake up shaking my head in amazement. OTOH, maybe meditation is stripping away layers of the mental onion, so to speak, and I’m getting down to the deeper levels of me. Whatever the case, there’s another unshakable (irrational?) thought: I am just really good at masking total madness. Raging psychosis under the quiet exterior. Once again, pdoc du jour is too green to understand me. I’ll be getting the next pdoc (a new one every summer) in a month or two. We’ll see what the psych professors have dreamed up during the past 12 months. Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. Mom is doing fine, in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally snuggly. I guess that’s my report for now. I’ll try to post more often, but I can’t promise anything. Peace to all, Deirdre
– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Thanks for chiming in Deirdre. We just want to know you’re alive. kili
I’m alive. At least I think so. I’m glad your latest health report looks so good. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Deirdre, where are you? I hope everything is alright. {{{{{Deirdre}}}}} Post, if you can. Love, Di
I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip
– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip
Hi Philip, and everyone, It’s nice to be missed — sorry if I worried anyone. I just haven’t been motivated to post anything. Mostly I feel I have nothing to contribute about anxiety and panic. The good news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I haven’t had any anxiety at all. The weird news is: since I’ve been meditating regularly I have been lethargic and uninterested in most things. I can’t quite shake the (irrational?) thought that maybe I need a little anxiety to keep me moving. So, make of that what you will. It feels like depression without sadness. Is that possible? My pdoc du jour is not a lot of help. He’s nice and earnest and looks to be about 14 years old. Lots of reference books and very little real experience. That’s what we po’ folks get. I’m currently taking 60 mg fluoxetine (Prozac) and 150 mg venlafaxine (Effexor) daily. I have clonazepam (Klonopin) on hand but haven’t needed it in quite a while. Same with the trazodone for insomnia. Since pdoc added the Effexor, the only apparent change is an increase in exhaustingly bizarre dreams. I’ve always had wild dreams, but these are way off the charts. I wake up shaking my head in amazement. OTOH, maybe meditation is stripping away layers of the mental onion, so to speak, and I’m getting down to the deeper levels of me. Whatever the case, there’s another unshakable (irrational?) thought: I am just really good at masking total madness. Raging psychosis under the quiet exterior. Once again, pdoc du jour is too green to understand me. I’ll be getting the next pdoc (a new one every summer) in a month or two. We’ll see what the psych professors have dreamed up during the past 12 months. Other than mental health issues, I’m fairly healthy. Meditation has significantly lowered and stabilized my blood pressure. Mom is doing fine, in that there have been no crises. She’s weaker and slower — the daily changes are imperceptible, but over a few months I can tell she’s slowing down. My brother is fine, my nephew is grand. My cat is occasionally snuggly. I guess that’s my report for now. I’ll try to post more often, but I can’t promise anything. Peace to all, Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
I may have missed something but I am wondering where Deirdre is. I miss her here. Anyone know? Philip
Good question, Philip. I haven’t heard from her either. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Sertraline » interferon,milk thistle
Excellent post Gordo thats why my GI told me not to take it on tx. I wouldn’t want to take anything that could give a false reading on my labs while on tx. No way! Juanita
Thanks for passing that on, Gordo. Should I or shouldn’t I? The answer is only one phone call away. Call or no call? Naw, I don’t wanna know. Elmo //////////// I think I was the one who started this last year when I was on tx. Here’s the background: We use a family of enzymes called "Cytochrome P450" (or "CYP") to get rid of a lot of substances (such as many drugs) from our bodies. The amount of a drug (such as ribavirin) that you take and how often you take it is based on how fast your body gets rid of it. You need a certain amount in you for the drug to work, and the faster your body gets rid of it the more you have to take, and you have to take it more often. So if I’m taking a drug that is metabolized by a CYP, and I take another drug that changes how that CYP works (slows it down or speeds it up) then there’s the potential that I could end up with way too much of the first drug (because it’s not getting cleared as fast) or too little (because it’s getting cleared too fast.) Possible overdose, or the drug just won’t work. It gets kind of technical but if you like this stuff I thought this site was a good overview: http://www.anaesthetist.com/physiol/basics/metabol/cyp/cyp.htm#all Milk Thistle has repeatedly been shown to impair one of the CYP enzymes – CYP3A4 – and had a significant impact on the metabolism of several substances that are metabolized by that enzyme. This is exactly the same situation that has caused many toxic drug interactions. Where it gets confusing is that these studies are done using liver cells in cultures and there’s one study that looked for, and didn’t find, the same effects in people. So what’s this mean for people on treatment? From: http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Ribavirin__USP_Capsules.html "Results of in vitro studies using both human and rat liver microsome preparations indicated little or no cytochrome P450 enzyme-mediated metabolism of ribavirin, with minimal potential for P450 enzyme-based drug interactions." So there doesn’t seem to be a potential for interaction with Ribavirin. Same thing for pegasys: "Peginterferon-a -2a (40kD) showed no significant effects on drug metabolism mediated by CYP2C9, 2C19, 2D6 and 3A4 isoenzymes in healthy nonsmoking male volunteers." (from http://janis7hepc.com/differences_between_pegasys_and.htm) People on tx tend to take a lot of other drugs, though, and this site lists a lot of drugs that use the same enzyme that Milk Thistle, in the lab, has been shown to inhibit: http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/0/7b09aa55a412896c85256c6e0070bf60?O… ocument The effects of Milk Thistle are mostly based on "I took it and it made my liver better" reports, and by looking at its activity in cells in test tubes – the same type of test tubes that show it has a negative interaction with some other drugs (meaning of someone is going to use the argument that the test tube studies don’t apply to bodies, they have to admit that it applies to the supposed benefits as well.) One recent clinical study which attempted to show some benefit to using it found none at all: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/05/050504003425.htm So end result: there is no predicted interaction with interferon or ribavirin. There is a possible interaction with a lot of other drugs that people on tx take (and that I was taking). A recent study shows that it doesn’t seem to have the beneficial effect that people have been saying it has. I decided not to take it. Gordo In article <L9nwe.5387$Bn6.179@trndny08
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wrote: To be honest, everyone in the group is saying it’s not good to take milk thistle while on interferon and the doc said its fine.With the vast knowledge from this group i have learned more in 2 days here then 9 monthes with the doctor.Thanks everyone…… "AguaGirl" <some…@somewhere.com
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news:10915-42C08C99-698@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net… ahahahahahahahahaha!!! If it was good for good ole AG, it must be good for you. Her response to you defies what many knowledgable experts on the matter have stated. Milk thistle has a history of interfering with the absorbtion of other drugs and it’s not known for sure if it has the same negative effect on combination drugs, but many of the hepc experts recommend not taking it while on tx. Why chance it? AG’s response isn’t so much about milk thistle as it is about disagreeing with me. LOL. As she said though, do your research and you’ll see there’s been much speculation about whether you should take milk thistle and do tx at the same time. Elmo Your wrong elmo. I honestly don’t give you much thought one way or the other….and I didn’t say it was good for everyone. I basically said there is disagreement in the medical community about milk thistles interaction with the tx. You are not a doctor nor am I. John has a doctor. What I told John was to run EVERYTHING he reads or hears past his doctor which is what I did. (which is why I continued to take it). Your first post sounded definitive. The case against milk thistle is speculative…which is exactly what I said and what you parroted in your reply. I didn’t even disagree with what you posted at first, merely said it wasn’t ‘fact’ as much as speculation. AG http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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Milk thistle has a history of interfering with the absorbtion of other drugs and it’s not known for sure if it has the same negative effect on combination drugs, but many of the hepc experts recommend not taking it while on tx. Why chance it?
The active ingredient in Milk Thistle has the _potential_ to interfere with a liver enzyme which is used by the body to metabolize many different drugs. One study with one anti-HIV Protease Inhibitor showed that taking it with Milk Thistle somewhat reduced the amount that was absorbed from one dose but most importantly, when levels of the PI were measured at the "trough" point – right before the next scheduled dose – it was an average of 25% and as much as 60% lower than it should be. That’s significant and bad and could lead to resistance. So even though some people take it with other meds with no apparent problems, there is evidence that the potential it has to interfere is very real. Seems to me that something of such unproven benefit – which at least one study has shown to have no benefit – that has the potential to cause problems isn’t something I’d want to take while taking other serious meds. From: http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/0/7b09aa55a412896c85256c6e0070bf60?O… ocument ————— Below is a short list of some other medications that are processed through the CYP3A4 enzyme. Based on the effect of milk thistle on liver enzymes in the lab, it is possible that levels of these medications may increase if taken by people who are also using milk thistle. This list is not exhaustive:
Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Venlafaxine Effexor » My sleep doc appt.
Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - impala4sp…@hotmail.com (Denny) wrote:
Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny
The problem, Denny, is that they convince you it’s just a couple more months every couple more months, until you’ve realized you’ve had 4 tests, 8 docs, 3 psychiatrists to top it off, and a pulmonary specialist who’s never read a single bit of research on Xyrem telling your psychiatrist (who knows better and tells you he just doesn’t want to conflict with his hospital collegue) not to treat you with something that is very likely to turn your life around. People who are tired have a life long condition, low patient outcomes by docs and patients alike, this leads patients being convinced they’re being helped by simply repeating the same tests, or getting a new diagnosis that meant the same thing as the one that replaced it 15 years ago. Treating you and validating your need for treatment are separate parts, and while I understand you need to wean off Effexor, your doc hasn’t told you you’ll need to wait a few weeks after that to have a PSG, wait 3 weeks for that to be analyzed, another appt. with your doc to follow-up on it (where all he does is order a titration study he could’ve done over the phone) and another few weeks to book that and then 7 weeks for you to E-Mail the doc to ask why you haven’t received your report or prescription yet, a lie that an E-Mail went out much earlier, and a week for the CPAP to be installed, then a few weeks for the correct mask to come replace the nasal mask, then several weeks to notice if the CPAP alone will do a darn thing. I’m at this last point, and crossing my fingers after a year of this nonsense.
Hi Denny- I’m sorry the other poster is having such a terrible time- but it certainly isn’t the usual. (Unfortunately it’s not rare either.) But to give you another experience, I went from my first call for an appointment to having my CPAP in about 2 months. (I know that’s exceptional in the opposite way.) Actually, since you need two weeks to get off the Effexor, you’re moving along in the process pretty quickly. It does seem that this guy is more knowledgeable and taking into account a much wider range of issues. Sleep docs have very specialized knowledge that others just don’t. Especially ENTs who SEEM like they would because they know about that part of the body and therefore people take their advice when they really don’t know SLEEP issues that stem from that part of the body. A perfect example of "A little knowledge can be dangerous". So anyway- enough preaching. Hope the rest goes as quickly as the beginning. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ganishe wrote:
In article <528dc7b4.0311131829.3ef62…@posting.google.com, impala4sp…@hotmail.com (Denny) wrote: Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny The problem, Denny, is that they convince you it’s just a couple more months every couple more months, until you’ve realized you’ve had 4 tests, 8 docs, 3 psychiatrists to top it off, and a pulmonary specialist who’s never read a single bit of research on Xyrem telling your psychiatrist (who knows better and tells you he just doesn’t want to conflict with his hospital collegue) not to treat you with something that is very likely to turn your life around. People who are tired have a life long condition, low patient outcomes by docs and patients alike, this leads patients being convinced they’re being helped by simply repeating the same tests, or getting a new diagnosis that meant the same thing as the one that replaced it 15 years ago. Treating you and validating your need for treatment are separate parts, and while I understand you need to wean off Effexor, your doc hasn’t told you you’ll need to wait a few weeks after that to have a PSG, wait 3 weeks for that to be analyzed, another appt. with your doc to follow-up on it (where all he does is order a titration study he could’ve done over the phone) and another few weeks to book that and then 7 weeks for you to E-Mail the doc to ask why you haven’t received your report or prescription yet, a lie that an E-Mail went out much earlier, and a week for the CPAP to be installed, then a few weeks for the correct mask to come replace the nasal mask, then several weeks to notice if the CPAP alone will do a darn thing. I’m at this last point, and crossing my fingers after a year of this nonsense.
normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test.
it’s great that your doc is concerned about REM/deep sleep issues…….so many times here we hear of people’s results saying "no stage 3+4 sleep" yet the doctors completely ignore it. Problem is our bodies really need the restorative stages of sleep…..that’s when the majority of our body’s healing is done Be sure to let us know how it goes — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply
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Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test.
If you read the clinical information on venlafaxine (Effexor), the two week period has to do also with trying to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny
It’s also worth noting that poor sleep as a result of OSA can have a significant negative impact in general on metabolism, can result in irritability and general outlook on things. So, if your sleep problems can be improved or resolved, it could be a benefit all round for you. Definitely this exercise is worth doing…… .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl
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wrote in message <news:bp2u6d$1k9pg9$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. it’s great that your doc is concerned about REM/deep sleep issues…….so many times here we hear of people’s results saying "no stage 3+4 sleep" yet the doctors completely ignore it. Problem is our bodies really need the restorative stages of sleep…..that’s when the majority of our body’s healing is done Be sure to let us know how it goes — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply
Thanks everyone. I appreciate the responses and concerns. Denny
Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Dose » Feel horrible.
Hi Cheryl, So sorry you are going through this. Sending you caring and support! Take care, Liz — There is always music amongst the trees in the garden but our minds must be very still to hear it. ASAP Gardening Site: http://www.chickadee.com/asapgardens
See below….(Phillip)
answered by email as I got it in my inbox as well. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50) I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink. I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it. I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out. I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day. ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
Thanks Philip~ I emailed you…oh you bet your boots I have my ativan handy! xoxo Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See below….(Phillip) answered by email as I got it in my inbox as well. P. Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50) I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink. I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it. I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out. I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day. ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
I am sorry you aren’t feeling well. Hopfully you will get used to the new meds very soon. Good luck and I hope you feel better. Amy
Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.
I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
See below….(Phillip) Philip, It’s been the worst day…I have been so sick today…I still feel so odd, tomorrow I am only taking 25mg…( she has me on 50) I had no short term memory, I would start saying something and forget, go into a room and forgot what I went for.. I haven’t had hardly a bite to eat and have been trying to drink. I am caling Medusa tomorrow then I have to call my freakin primary to see her and then get a referral to go see someone able to help me with this medication..I can’t even think about it. I think the worst today was when I woke up after just crashing I could hear my dead step father talking to me in my ear…that freaked me out. I have been on the couch all day and thank God it’s Ted’s early day. ;o( This whole thing saddens me. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. I think you might ask your doctor to reduce the Zoloft dose to 12.5 mg and then raise it slowly. You are now experiencing initial SSRI side effects possibly augmented by Remeron withdrawal (although R is not associated witjh a withdrawal problem as a rule). Do you have one of those lovely benzos on the side to take *as needed*? Philip — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15?
Yup, 50mgs is too high to start with. Some people start at 12.5mgs, others at 25mgs. Hope you are feeling better Jackie ~*~There came a time when the risk to remain tight in a bud was
Hi Cheryl, ((((Cheryl)))), I hope you feel better soon, I don’t have any words of wisdom for you, sorry. I’ve been gone a while, what’s going on here that I’m missing? Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety Support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia
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Cheryl, Hope you are feeling better soon. Those med changes can really get the best of us. Hangin there… smiles, elise
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I’m so sorry you feel so crummy! Pamper yourself today. Love, Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15?
different drug different mechanism of action-if your gonna do the medusa dance get her to dosie doe a bit and get her permission to up your ativan or up hers and call Jeff Apter-Zoloft compared to remeron is like qualuudes vrs speed so your now on dexamil and doin a bounce-50mg may be too high for a conversion for you it is a transition so make yourself comfortable as possible instead of white knuckling it-that lack of appetite will change to some carb craving soon this is a signal the zoloft is working but imo may be just change for change sake as the more you crave and consume the less you will burn and lose-she is using an older viewpoint that zoloft reduces appetite-ask some others here if their appetite is reduced-it is no less difficult to wean off then remeron in fact it may be a tad bit more difficult due to its energizing effects on some-get a professional opinion by a psychopharm doc not a transplant renal nephrologist whatever—- she wants to maximize the transplants life and that’s ok but there are other issues-including if you are psychologicaly ready to embark on being med free-trade offs is the name of the game-ch ch ch changes—-love bowie within a few days you will feel better be a patient patient but an assertive one-its your kidney now and your medical program- LM
TC3 wrote : Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.
Hi Cheryl. I’m sorry to hear you don’t feel so well right now. You’ll feel better later on I’m sure; not that that’s any great consolation… Hope you are better quickly. Take care please. -Z-
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( I have to get her ready for school and feel like I won’t be able to get her out of the door.. I don’t want to make her stay home because of this..that isn’t fair to her. *sigh* I need your hug thanks xoxoxo love Cheryl
Dear one, yes you sounded a bit manic yestreday I think you have worn yourself down totally If you manage to get the sprogg to school try take some rest Cheryl We both know that tiredness is a great motor for PA. Hope you get some rest and hang in there Lotsa kisses over the ocean flying your way Anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Path: news.wxs.nl!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!f e ed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2 . news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Feb 2001 07:29:59 -0500 Lines: UmFuZG9tSVZ9/f13lPYO1NQUJPzRlFuUUs+boUPTy+xZ+DqhBnD8RP1a78V4bucI 12:19:46 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: news.wxs.nl alt.support.anxiety-panic:263162 Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3 Dear cheryl, I did not know you where changing meds Why is that was the other med not doing its work ??? I am really sorry you feel like this. Maybe it gets better soon. I really hope so for you. And otherwise call the doc. No need to feel awfull all the time !!! You had your share huh VERY ferm hug from Anna
Hi Cheryl, I know how you feel. Supposedly, switching from Paxil to Zoloft was not supposed to be any big deal, but I feel different and it is not all my doing. I am more nervous, and have the trembles. I am just trying to be patient and see if it passes with time. I still function, but do not feel comfortable. Chores are getting done as usual, but not with the same peace. Hope you feel better soon, Cheryl. Let us know how you are doing! Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
– There is always music amongst the trees in the garden but our minds must be very still to hear it. ASAP Gardening Site: http://www.chickadee.com/asapgardens
I feel like dog doo. I am manic then exhausted, and I can’t remember anything…I was a mess getting her ready for school. Ack. I know it’s a transition.. Julie, that Snickers is still there so you know I am not feeling well~ LOL Is 50mg a lot? Is it comparable to Remeron 30 or 15? <Mercury, AD change and anxiety…perfect together LOL love Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. Dear Cheryl, I`m sorry that you feel so lousy ( If you continue to feel this way, you might want to ask your doctor about decreasing your Zoloft dose to 25mgs for a week, them go to 50mgs, you could even wean slower than this by increasing in 12.5mg increments. I hope you feel better soon {{{{{Cheryl}}}}} Jackie
I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.
Dear Cheryl, I`m sorry that you feel so lousy ( If you continue to feel this way, you might want to ask your doctor about decreasing your Zoloft dose to 25mgs for a week, them go to 50mgs, you could even wean slower than this by increasing in 12.5mg increments. I hope you feel better soon {{{{{Cheryl}}}}} Jackie
Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing.
How long are you going to look at that Snickers Bar???? Sweetie, ignore the crap here. No biggie. Now, you know that it will take awhile for the Zoloft to get to a theraputic level in your system. You need to hang on through these few physical adjustments UNLESS they are bothering you too much. Then call the doctor and tell him. If you have a chance, call the pharmacist and ask him to give you the details on the zoloft. He should be able to pop that info on his screen while you are on the phone with him. Let him know the side effects you are having…then he can look it up. When my Effexor was increased, each time I had a strange symptom or side effect, which eventually went away. I hope that your sweats and unsteadiness will not be for long. Is that Snickers still sitting on your hutch? love,Julie
Ugh. I started 50mg of Z yesterday…from only a week of decreasing my Remeron from 30 to 15. I feel like I am on a ship, everything is rocking and I am sweaty and feeling like a wet noodle. Of all freaking times to have to post about my meds with all the crap going on here… That makes me more upset. One good thing, I have zippo appetite…that Snickers bar sitting on the hutch doesn’t even look appealing. — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
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Dear cheryl, I did not know you where changing meds Why is that was the other med not doing its work ??? I am really sorry you feel like this. Maybe it gets better soon. I really hope so for you. And otherwise call the doc. No need to feel awfull all the time !!! You had your share huh VERY ferm hug from Anna
Thank you Anna! My doc thinks if I get off the Rem I can lose some weight…I just feel like I was so manic yesterday then crashed by midnight now I am really anxious and just feeling like a noodle. ( I have to get her ready for school and feel like I won’t be able to get her out of the door.. I don’t want to make her stay home because of this..that isn’t fair to her. *sigh* I need your hug thanks xoxoxo love Cheryl — Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am Stuck in the middle with you. TC3
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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Prozac Effexor » Ritalin and the shootings
It’s my understanding that Kip had secretly stopped taking his meds, as had Eric Harris. I’d like to know why his (Eric’s) psychiatrist doesn’t speak up.
To his credit, that doctor is honoring his obligation to his patient. Doctors need the patient’s permission to disclose confidential medical records. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kate Coe drug, which is classified by the U.S. government in the same category as cocaine and heroin. Oopsie! Another little error: cocaine and heroin are not in the same "category." Sounds scary, though, doesn’t it? Nod. Specifically, Ritalin is Schedule II, believed to be at a high risk of diversion, but having medical necessity. Codeine is also schedule II. Heroin, marijuana, PCP, etc. are schedule I, no legitimate medical use recognized by the Feds, but research use is allowable. Clarke claims that children who take Ritalin in elementary school are often switched to Prozac and other drugs as they grow older. The effects of Ritalin can cause problems long after the prescription is stopped, he added. This is a particularly good example of lying, BTW. It’s true that some people who take Ritalin have latent Tourette’s syndrome uncovered. They may have problems with tics for a long time. However, Ritalin is not causing the tics; Tourette’s is. He gets to make a statement that is subtlely untrue, while being able to point to someone who had a long term problem with Tourette’s as "proof". "When they go through puberty, this becomes true speed," explained Clarke. BTW: the idea of a "paradoxical effect" of stimulants has been debunked for a long time. As for "speed", have you ever let your child have some Pepsi? Caffeine is as much "speed" as Ritalin is. "They are switching lots of these kids from Ritalin to Prozac — the frying pan into the fire routine," she told WorldNetDaily. "Kip Kinkel in the Oregon shooting last summer was a perfect example of the effects. The chances the boy in Arkansas was on it are great." Interesting statement, isn’t it? "The chances…are great." It also shows an incredible ignorance of probability. The chances aren’t great; the chances are 0 (he wasn’t on it) or 1 (he was on it). There is no "chance" involved in an already established event. Of course, the honest statement "I wouldn’t be surprised if he was on it" makes the person look like a prejudiced jerk. I’ll refrain from the obvious cheap shot. — Everything I needed to know in life I learned in kindergarten. Like: There is great power in both creation and destruction, but creation focuses power, and destruction disperses it. This is the superiority of creation.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s disgusting that anyone would use such a tragedy to push a political agenda. –John Yes. I think that this guy wants to get his picture in the dictionary next to the definition of ‘opportunist’ Visit his website. Visit his website. Visit his website. Visit his website. Oh, please visit his website.
Here is the URL as a single line: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990429_xex_doping_ou… Thanks, now I’ll be able to put in a garden. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was kindly forwarded the following little gem this morning by someone. I am not posting it here because I agree with any of the views contained and I didn’t write the piece (for any daft individual who thinks or says I have - John) but what are everyone’s views on this news item? the article is at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990429_xex_doping_ou… ml Doping our kids Prescription drugs at root of violence, says expert By David M. Bresnahan
Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Side Effects Of Effexor » Question about Drug Side-Effects
Have your blood pressure checked
Had it checked a few weeks ago. It was fine. If anything, it is too low. I’m dealing with the VA!! Jerks that they are, just got off the phone with a VA pharmacist who told me that "perhaps I was coming down with the flu." Doc is not in, and nobody seems to know when he WILL be in. <sigh
Luanne
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LuanneP <luan…@aol.comet
wrote: Have your blood pressure checked Had it checked a few weeks ago. It was fine. If anything, it is too low.
If it’s a bit on the low side, than it could be orthostatic hypotension. Have it myself as long as I can remember – it’s causing dizzyness after a (rapid) change of position. I experienced a total _different_ kind of dizzyness due to effexor: it’s like all my limbs and my head are way ahead of me all the time – I can _see_ where my arms and legs are, but I sense them way behind, and it takes a while for the visual and sensoreous input to catch up. That leads to a very intruiging kind of drowsiness when I move my head – interesting experience, but I’m glad it’s over now! dagdag, sterre — .nosig
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Luanne, I am on Serzone and I have had slight dizziness recently. I dont know if its the chemical, but there are other reasons for dizziness. One is that there is a bug going round at the moment that causes dizziness. There are other things, like ear infections, low blood sugar, stress etc. best wishes estelle.
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Maybe somebody can help me with this. I am on 300 mg. Effexor daily, along with 1.5 mgs and 25 mgs desyrel at night (for sleep.) I have been on this ‘current cocktail’ for three years now. Just recently, I started to experience extreme dizziness if, for instance, I bend over to pick up something, and stand up again. Usually happens in the early part of the day, and kind of scary… Does this happen to anyone here, and why, after three years would I start to experience this side effect now? This morning, I almost fell over, I got so dizzy after picking up some change I dropped on the floor. Sincerely, Luanne
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You’re safest thing to do is to call and speak with your doctor as soon as you can. It may be something as simple as your body changing as you get older and requiring an adjustment in the medication.
Thanks, Wall, That’s what I was going to do….call my doc on Monday. Thing is, I’ve been sneezing all day, so maybe getting a headcold so that would explain the dizziness too. Now y’all know a Dizzy Blonde! <g
Luanne
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luan…@aol.comet (LuanneP) wrote:
Maybe somebody can help me with this. I am on 300 mg. Effexor daily, along with 1.5 mgs and 25 mgs desyrel at night (for sleep.) I have been on this ‘current cocktail’ for three years now. Just recently, I started to experience extreme dizziness if, for instance, I bend over to pick up something, and stand up again. Usually happens in the early part of the day, and kind of scary…
Have your blood pressure checked. One of the possible side effects of Effexor is elevated blood pressure. While I was on it, I was also taking two blood pressure medications, and still found myself in the ER a few times with blood pressure of 230/150. It wasn’t pretty. Now that I’m on Wellbutrin, I only have to take one medication for blood pressure, and it’s under perfect control. Just one possibility … ask your doctor about the blood pressure thing, though. (BTW, symptoms of blood pressure problems (for me) included: dizziness, pounding in the head, and I could feel the blood throbbing through my carotid artery (the big ones in the front corners of the neck) and in my chest.) Hope you find whatever is wrong and get it straightened out. Carol ********* The Mercurial Mind ********* The Wonderful World of Bipolar Disorder http://members.xoom.com/merc_mind/
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