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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.  It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver.  The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.

It seems

like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with

other

chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation

of my

bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned

into

infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect

of my

performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my

anxieties peak

and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest

fire in

Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of

Denver.  The

prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I

suffered from

some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I

have a

cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone

inhalor that

helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it

turns into

an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

I agree with you Fred, each condition can affect/influence the other. Is there any chance all that cortisone is increasing your anxiety? Steroids can definitely do that. Maybe Sandy L. has some suggestions? Jo

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Hey Fred,,,,,what you claim is VERY true……..on Dec 18th I git hit by another truck……..his died mine  survived and way I rented another 4×4 truck and te previous renter chained smoked…………NO one told me so the bottom line is this rental made my asthma kick up, they had to change me to Advaire and stop my Flovent and Serevent. My TS and SIB went off the richter scale! I had to start using my Albuteral Nebulizer which kicked up my ADHD……………………so now I can not take 2 steps without chouging hard and choking  and then having a Tussive Syncope(mini seisure)………….. It is now to the point water scares me cuz I choke! "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com

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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.  It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

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Thanks but I may not survive these syncopes "Jodi" <hellofromj…@nospamcharter.net

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With ALL the BS with my health since Dec 20th……..things are strating to level off 1) I won my fight for a new CPAP( my 4th since 1992) after 2 failed sleep studies, my good CPAP died of old age and is NOT repairable …so they got medicare to buy a new good model that may last a while this time 2) my SIB has been so powerful since Dec 20th that my left arm is in such trama it is all knotted up. 3) Enterprise who I rented a 4×4 truck from , took one wiff indside the truck and belived me an wrote off the dailiy overage  I owed. PLUS they gave me a free one time rental ! 4) I am breathing on my own today for the very first time  since Dec 20th! WHAT a CONCEPT!!:) "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com

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Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions.  It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver. The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver

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I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on AST.  Does anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred

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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com wrote in message news:20050103122352.06555.00001642@mb-m22.aol.com… Tourette Syndrome seems to be an amplifier of chronic conditions. It seems like the anxiety that I suffer is amplified when I have to deal with other chronic conditions.  I have had a lifetime battle with inflamation of my bronchial tubes and my sinuses.  Many times, the inflamations turned into infections.  These inflamations/infections have had a great affect of my performance as a human being.  When I can’t properly preform, my anxieties peak and my TS waxes.  Three years ago, we had a very serious forrest fire in Colorado.  It was known as the Hayman Fire.  The fire was south of Denver.  The prevailing winds moved the smoke north into the Denver area.  I suffered from some severe respiratory inflammation and my Tourette got worse.  I have a cortisone nasal spray that helps with the sinuses and a cortisone inhalor that helps with the bronchial tubes.  I have to fix the problem before it turns into an infection where I really start to have some serious problems. Fred in denver I agree with you Fred, each condition can affect/influence the other. Is there any chance all that cortisone is increasing your anxiety? Steroids can definitely do that. Maybe Sandy L. has some suggestions? Jo

I can’t say that this in causing an increase in anxiety.  The anxiety is created and increased by my inability to preform in a normal way.  At its worst, I demolished an auto in 1970.  I lost consciousness and rolled a car. 15 years later, I had an episode where I could no longer drive because I was seeing double.  I can now prevent these episodes with a steroid spray and a vasoconstrictor spray.  It is scary stuff when the drowsy sensation happens. Fred

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  I think I saw it weeks ago? "Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com

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I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on

AST.  Does

anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred

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‘Twas 15 Jan 2005 19:53:25 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as fen…@aol.com (Fenisz) uttered:

I posted this on January 3 and just now on the 15th see it posted on AST.  Does anybody know why this delay in having my message posted? Fred

Everything showed up normally here.  Were you using any news server other than AOL?  AOL is usually reliable, and the software doesn’t have weird features for you to accidentally turn on and get this effect.. — RB |  

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Both to varying degrees. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m curious about meds. Would Flovent and Serevent be prescribed for Emphysema or are they usually just dxed for asthma?

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I’m curious about meds. Would Flovent and Serevent be prescribed for Emphysema or are they usually just dxed for asthma?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Has anyone here noticed that their asthma symptoms have changed since being on Flovent.  I am talking about when you are actually having some asthma trouble.  I notice that my attacks come on slower now and less frequent with Flovent – and I also notice that the symptoms tend to be different.  Before Flovent my asthma symptoms always started with a tightness in my upperchest and a definite Wheezing.  Now I find they seem to start lower down in the chest – feels likea tightness in the lower back actually – and I don’t get wheezing as much as I just feel short of breath.  I wondered if I was along in this sensation.

If it’s helping, I don’t see it. I’ve had three bouts of bronchitis since Sept. Helen

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CarolR hit it right on the head. After being on Flovent for about a year, my symptoms changed from having chest tightness to a feeling only my small airways were slowly closing on me.  Atrovent, by the way, takes care of "that" feeling much better then Albuterol….

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Has anyone here noticed that their asthma symptoms have changed since being on Flovent.  I am talking about when you are actually having some asthma trouble.  I notice that my attacks come on slower now and less frequent with Flovent – and I also notice that the symptoms tend to be different.  Before Flovent my asthma symptoms always started with a tightness in my upperchest and a definite Wheezing.  Now I find they seem to start lower down in the chest – feels likea tightness in the lower back actually – and I don’t get wheezing as much as I just feel short of breath.  I wondered if I was along in this sensation.

I get the tightness and feel short of breath also.  I rarely ever wheeze anymore.  I don’t get the typical asthma attacks.  I almost feel like only my small bronchioles are affected now rather than the large bronchus.  Kinda weird . CarolR

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Has anyone here noticed that their asthma symptoms have changed since being on Flovent.  I am talking about when you are actually having some asthma trouble.  I notice that my attacks come on slower now and less frequent with Flovent – and I also notice that the symptoms tend to be different.  Before Flovent my asthma symptoms always started with a tightness in my upperchest and a definite Wheezing.  Now I find they seem to start lower down in the chest – feels likea tightness in the lower back actually – and I don’t get wheezing as much as I just feel short of breath.  I wondered if I was along in this sensation.

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This is great.  Would you please add Singulair 10 mg and Flovent 220 or 110? Thanks so much.

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Greetings again For some time now, I have spent various amounts of my online time searching the web for legitimate, reputable, online pharmacies, and checking their prices for various meds that I am on [almost all of which are asthma/allergy meds]. The differences in prices has been… fascinating…  Especially when comparing what I pay at retail stores and what the prices are online… Knowing that this information is useful for me, I am assuming that it would be useful for others  And, even if you do have insurance, you may want to take a look at what the prices are like [if nothing else, it will make you appreciate the value and cost of your insurance *When doing well* I spend $450 a month on meds, with no insurance, and I would gladly pay a few hundred a month to HAVE insurance...]. So… Within the next couple of days I will be posting a webpage of comparative drug prices. As of right now, I have prices on: Ventolin nebulizer solution Intal MDI Intal nebulizer solution Pulmicort turbuhaler Zyrtec [10 mg tablets] Serevent MDI Serevent Diskus And have used the following online pharmacies: PlanetRx DrugEmporium Drugstore.com <which is a Rite-Aid pharmacy] Eckerd.com If you have meds you would like included in the list, or online pharmacies to recommend…  Please let me know [preferrably by email so that I don't miss it, but posting to the newsgroup is fine too; or do both ].  I will try to include as many as I can, though I do reserve the right to pick and choose which ones will be included. For now, I am limiting the page to asthma and allergy meds [which therefore does include antihistamines], and will also for now limit it to those meds that require an Rx in the USA… I may add other comparative info… and maybe a guestbook or something where people can post comments and such…  But that shall come Later Hopefully someone will find the info useful! SW.

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You can’t imagine how useful! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings again For some time now, I have spent various amounts of my online time searching the web for legitimate, reputable, online pharmacies, and checking their prices for various meds that I am on [almost all of which are asthma/allergy meds]. The differences in prices has been… fascinating…  Especially when comparing what I pay at retail stores and what the prices are online… Knowing that this information is useful for me, I am assuming that it would be useful for others  And, even if you do have insurance, you may want to take a look at what the prices are like [if nothing else, it will make you appreciate the value and cost of your insurance *When doing well* I spend $450 a month on meds, with no insurance, and I would gladly pay a few hundred a month to HAVE insurance...]. So… Within the next couple of days I will be posting a webpage of comparative drug prices. As of right now, I have prices on: Ventolin nebulizer solution Intal MDI Intal nebulizer solution Pulmicort turbuhaler Zyrtec [10 mg tablets] Serevent MDI Serevent Diskus And have used the following online pharmacies: PlanetRx DrugEmporium Drugstore.com <which is a Rite-Aid pharmacy] Eckerd.com If you have meds you would like included in the list, or online pharmacies to recommend…  Please let me know [preferrably by email so that I don't miss it, but posting to the newsgroup is fine too; or do both ].  I will try to include as many as I can, though I do reserve the right to pick and choose which ones will be included. For now, I am limiting the page to asthma and allergy meds [which therefore does include antihistamines], and will also for now limit it to those meds that require an Rx in the USA… I may add other comparative info… and maybe a guestbook or something where people can post comments and such…  But that shall come Later Hopefully someone will find the info useful! SW.

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Hi! Sorry about all those bogus Boytko (or whatever) responses you got. A very good suggestion was given to you: to make sure you don’t have sleep apena, and that your asthma isn’t bothering you when you sleep. I would be wary of the theophylline. There are much better drugs for your asthma. Are you on flovent 220 at least 2 times a day? If not, I"d increase that and dump the theophylline. I had *severe* side effects from the theophylline that lasted for years (because I took it for years) and it really affected my sleep. Perhaps try singulair or accolate or something. If you are taking all those medications for asthma you should be seeing a specialist, not just a doctor: and they might be able to help you further with your problems. I personally also had similar side effects from the serevent, but I do know that many others tolerate it well. Intal did nothing for me, and is usually not an "as needed" drug- you have to take it all the time for it to have any affect, right? I found that Intal (and Tilade) actually made my exercise induced asthma *worse* because it irritated me and didn’t help. Also, with all the above, do try to start an exercise program and certainly improve your diet. Just because your diet hasn’t changed in 10 years doesn’t mean *you* haven’t.  It can make a big difference in how you feel energetically, and makes your asthma better too.(the exercise part).  It might also help you sleep longer- 8 hours is a bit more normal. -j – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am taking Flovent, Serevent, Albuterol, Intal (when needed), and Theophylline. Ever since I’ve been taking them faithfully (around 2 years), I feel so tired….even when I’m not doing anything. My diet is kinda lousy; yet, it hasn’t changed 10 years. I averaged six hours of sleep. Don’t have a strenous job. Rarely exercise, but I do walk alot! Has anyone experienced fatique while on medications? If do, what was the culprit? Thanks.. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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writes <snip do try to start an exercise program

The original post states they walk ‘a lot’.  If that means a brisk walk (e.g. raises the pulse) for half an hour, three or more times a week I would classify that as exercise.  IMHO Walking is underrated as exercise but can be really good if it’s on unmade footpaths (much better that roads or gym floors as each step is slightly different) and up and down hills.  And it doesn’t carry dangers (or they are greatly reduced) of over-use injuries, and on paths away from roads the air is better and the dangers from traffic go away. And walking is weight-bearing which helps prevent osteoporosis – something swimming doesn’t do though weights, gym works & cycling do. <snip — Surfer!

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Mark: I’m 76 and for over 2 years have persistent (without attacks) old age asthma. In times of remission, all breathing parameters are OK. I’ve tried daily 20 min. exercises with a restricted air flow device for about 2 months……

Mark, I’m not sure what you expected this device to do for you.  Just because you make it harder for yourself to breathe does’nt mean you get less air.  Your respiratory center paces your breathing for you and it will make you breathe in such a way as to attain a particular CO2 level in your blood.  Putting a restrictive device in line with your respiaratory tract isn’t going to change anything. What you need to do is practice breathing in such a way as to sustain, over  a prolonged period of time,  a small shortage of air.  You need to do this often. Unless you actually feel like you’re not getting enough air while you’re doing this,  it’s not going to help your respiratory center accommodate to higher levels of CO2. If you want to knock Buteyko by all means, but make sure you’ve actually done the exercises properly before you do. …. with no effect, and then had the idea that asthmatics don’t need Buteyko, since they have plenty of hypoventilation, with (as follows from medical research) some positive results claimed by Buteyko (e.g., less sclerosis).

In early stage asthma CO2 is low, because of hyperventilation.  When asthma is very sever you get to a point where the lungs are so damaged that CO2 can’t get out and Oxygen can’t get in.  You’re right, here the asthmatic is hypoventilated from the point of view of the blood gases.  But there is a state in between where blood CO2 appears to be normal and Oxygen is low.  What happens  here is as follows.  As the disease progresses part of the lungs becomes so badly blocked that it stops being ventilated all together, but it still gets perfused with blood.   That part of the lung which is still functioning becomes hoplessly overventilated, as can be seen from ETCO2 (End tidal  CO2) studies.  The blood that leaves the lungs to get into the arteries therefore contains a mixture of blood from the overventilated and underventilated areas, which means that the CO2 may appear to be normal.  But the CO2 component from the functioning part is very low, and this is what causes it to go into bronchospasm.  So we take Ventolin to open it up.  But that does’nt actually cure anything.  At this stage Buteyko alone won’t help either.  You need to supplement with steroids until you can get your breathing under control and then gradually reverse the process by deliberate hypoventilation.  As you can imagine, by this stage this can be a very difficult process. Sticking a marble in your nostril won’t solve your problem. Peter Kolb Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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If you want to knock Buteyko by all means, but make sure you’ve actually done the exercises properly before you do.

So you are saying that I should try something that is dangerous and stupid before I warn others about it? Why don’t you jump off a cliff and then tell us whether or not it is dangerous? In early stage asthma CO2 is low, because of hyperventilation.  When asthma is very sever you get to a point where the lungs are so damaged that CO2 can’t get out and Oxygen can’t get in.

What are you talking about?  You really need to learn something about asthma instead of relying on the stuff the buteyko promoters fabricated. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Can I just mention that I tried Buteyko after seeing a documentary on the TV and found a course run by Sasha Stalmatski in York UK in Oct 99. I was on quite a lot of medication at the time, Flixotide, Ventolin, Atrovent, Serevent, Slo Phyllin etc. and before starting the course was extremely tired and could hardly walk upstairs.  I found the course very difficult but persevered.  One year on and I am only on Flixotide and Ventolin and although I visit hospital as an out patient regularly for bronchial/chest infections my asthma is under control and from having an asthma attack regularly every night 12 months ago I do not have any attacks at all now, I do have problems when I have a chest infection but the breathing exercises I learnt on the course have been very helpful and last year I had an attack of pluerisy and used the shallow breathing as I was rushed to hospital and it certainly worked for me.  By the way I have no medical training whatsoever so I cannot give medical advice it certainly didn’t cure me but it has made my life better, I can at least get up stairs now, I haven’t progressed to cycling yet but I am working on it.  I am a middle aged lady and able to do a full time job even if I do occasionally have to have time off for chest infections. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you want to knock Buteyko by all means, but make sure you’ve actually done the exercises properly before you do. So you are saying that I should try something that is dangerous and stupid before I warn others about it? Why don’t you jump off a cliff and then tell us whether or not it is dangerous? In early stage asthma CO2 is low, because of hyperventilation.  When asthma is very sever you get to a point where the lungs are so damaged that CO2 can’t get out and Oxygen can’t get in. What are you talking about?  You really need to learn something about asthma instead of relying on the stuff the buteyko promoters fabricated. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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I am taking Flovent, Serevent, Albuterol, Intal (when needed), and Theophylline. Ever since I’ve been taking them faithfully (around 2 years), I feel so tired….even when I’m not doing anything. My diet is kinda lousy; yet, it hasn’t changed 10 years. I averaged six hours of sleep. Don’t have a strenous job. Rarely exercise, but I do walk alot! Has anyone experienced fatique while on medications? If do, what was the culprit?

I find fatigue is the product of any single one or combination of the following: 1)      that time of the month 2)      being ill 3)      not getting enough sleep – I usually need 8-9 hours a night 4)      emotional upset like when I had to have two cats put to sleep last year – each time the response was to sleep for a couple of weeks, 16 hours a day or more at first. 5)      stress at work 6)      boredom 7)      prevarication – shall I do some decorating or get another ours sleep?      lack of exercise 9)      not drinking enough water especially if it’s hot – I’ve had a few night cramps 10)     eating too much too late – full stomach is not ideal before bed 11)     I go to sleep fine if I drink too much (e.g. more than 2-3 glasses wine) but then have disturbed dreams As you might imagine I’m a good sleeper!  Luckily too much time in bed gives me a bad back so there’s no danger (at the moment) of my developing a 24-hour per day habit. Before I got my medication (Pulmicort, and inhaled steroid) I *was* chronically tired due to lack of sleep and poor quality sleep.  Starting them made a new woman of me.  But I can’t find a new man to match! So I’ve got some new cats! so check (with your doctor) your asthma medication is working properly – especially at night.  When I’m bad I start snoring and give myself disturbed dreams and intermittent waking especially if I fall asleep with pillows as they prop up my head and close the airway (and are bad for my back & neck).  If you don’t have a peak flow meter get one and use it, drawing a chart of the morning & evening results (or put them in Excel!).  It should be pretty level – if it’s down in the mornings and responds to Intal it suggests you are possibly under-medicated in the steroid department. Also ask your partner (if you have one) how you sleep.  Lots of snoring could be part of, or an indication of, the problem.  Especially if you wake yourself up, or wake because you have almost stopped breathing (sleep apnoea). Good Luck PS Peter Kolb seems to reckon that everything is caused by CHVS. — Surfer!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am taking Flovent, Serevent, Albuterol, Intal (when needed), and Theophylline. Ever since I’ve been taking them faithfully (around 2 years), I feel so tired….even when I’m not doing anything. My diet is kinda lousy; yet, it hasn’t changed 10 years. I averaged six hours of sleep. Don’t have a strenous job. Rarely exercise, but I do walk alot! Has anyone experienced fatique while on medications? If do, what was the culprit? Thanks.. Hello I can’t say whether or not your medications cause fatigue,  but what I can tell you is that fatigue, listlessness and inability to exercise are some of the very many symptoms of Chronic hyperventilation syndrome (CHVS).  This was first discovered by American Field Surgeon DaCosta in 1870 when he descibed this condition sufffered by American Soldiers under combat stress during the civil war.  While the mechanism by which such stress can cause chronic hyperventilation is well known and understood,  few doctors even seem to be aware of its existence.  This is in spite of the fact that prevalence in the community is between 6 and 11%  (References  have been given on an earlier occasion). There is a very logical treatment which has been developed in Russia for CHVS.  They found it so successful (and quite dramatically so) in the treatment of asthma,  that it has been brought to the west largely as a therapy that reverses the asthma condition.  But any of the symptoms of CHVS can be successfully treated with this therapy. Unfortunately, unlike with conventional medicine,  there are no magic bullets.  Buteyko therapy requires a lot of work and a lot of time, but at least it enables you to get your health back.   Many people have found that there is sufficient information on our web site to help you get rid of your asthma. Peter Kolb BSc(Eng),MSc(Med),CPEng(Biomed) BIOMEDICAL ENGINEER Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics

Mark: I’m 76 and for over 2 years have persistent (without attacks) old age asthma. In times of remission, all breathing parameters are OK. I’ve tried daily 20 min. exercises with a restricted air flow device for about 2 months – with no effect, and then had the idea that asthmatics don’t need Buteyko, since they have plenty of hypoventilation, with (as follows from medical research) some positive results claimed by Buteyko (e.g., less sclerosis). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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I am taking Flovent, Serevent, Albuterol, Intal (when needed), and Theophylline. Ever since I’ve been taking them faithfully (around 2 years), I feel so tired….even when I’m not doing anything. My diet is kinda lousy; yet, it hasn’t changed 10 years. I averaged six hours of sleep. Don’t have a strenous job. Rarely exercise, but I do walk alot! Has anyone experienced fatique while on medications? If do, what was the culprit? Thanks.. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I am taking Flovent, Serevent, Albuterol, Intal (when needed), and Theophylline. Ever since I’ve been taking them faithfully (around 2 years), I feel so tired….even when I’m not doing anything. My diet is kinda lousy; yet, it hasn’t changed 10 years. I averaged six hours of sleep. Don’t have a strenous job. Rarely exercise, but I do walk alot! Has anyone experienced fatique while on medications? If do, what was the culprit? Thanks..

Hello I can’t say whether or not your medications cause fatigue,  but what I can tell you is that fatigue, listlessness and inability to exercise are some of the very many symptoms of Chronic hyperventilation syndrome (CHVS).  This was first discovered by American Field Surgeon DaCosta in 1870 when he descibed this condition sufffered by American Soldiers under combat stress during the civil war.  While the mechanism by which such stress can cause chronic hyperventilation is well known and understood,  few doctors even seem to be aware of its existence.  This is in spite of the fact that prevalence in the community is between 6 and 11%  (References  have been given on an earlier occasion).   There is a very logical treatment which has been developed in Russia for CHVS.  They found it so successful (and quite dramatically so) in the treatment of asthma,  that it has been brought to the west largely as a therapy that reverses the asthma condition.  But any of the symptoms of CHVS can be successfully treated with this therapy. Unfortunately, unlike with conventional medicine,  there are no magic bullets.  Buteyko therapy requires a lot of work and a lot of time, but at least it enables you to get your health back.   Many people have found that there is sufficient information on our web site to help you get rid of your asthma. Peter Kolb BSc(Eng),MSc(Med),CPEng(Biomed) BIOMEDICAL ENGINEER Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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I am taking Flovent, Serevent, Albuterol, Intal (when needed), and Theophylline. Ever since I’ve been taking them faithfully (around 2 years), I feel so tired….even when I’m not doing anything. My diet is kinda lousy; yet, it hasn’t changed 10 years. I averaged six hours of sleep. Don’t have a strenous job. Rarely exercise, but I do walk alot!

Try sleeping an extra 1/2 hour.  Most people do not get the amount of sleep they need. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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I can’t say whether or not your medications cause fatigue,  but what I can tell you is that fatigue, listlessness and inability to exercise are some of the very many symptoms of Chronic hyperventilation syndrome (CHVS).

Can you name something that is not a symptom of this imaginary ailment? BTW, can you provide any current medical references that support your diagnosis? And how about providing your qualifications to dispense medical advice? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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[Uthur] I’m trying to remember the name of a drug someone told me about a while back. It begins with ‘z’ (in Europe) and is used for treating anxiety. It *might* be a newish one.  I’d remember it if I heard it again. Can you help me out please?

Xanax (alprazolam) ? zolpidem? (more a sleeping pil) zopiclon?  (more a sleeping pil) Kind regards, Henk J. van Dijk — The charter is available at:

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Hi… My doctor just increased me from 100mg Zoloft a day to 200mg, and I was just wondering how long it would take to feel a difference, if at all.  I’ve been on Zoloft for six weeks and I’ve just gotten worse.  I’m getting pretty desperate and irrational, so I wish things would get sorted out… -Alex

For me it took several weeks for each dose change to take effect. Be sure to talk to your doctor immediately if you start to feel any serious side effects of Zoloft! My body cannot tolerate more than 50 mg/day.

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Hi… My doctor just increased me from 100mg Zoloft a day to 200mg, and I was just wondering how long it would take to feel a difference, if at all.  I’ve been on Zoloft for six weeks and I’ve just gotten worse.  I’m getting pretty desperate and irrational, so I wish things would get sorted out… -Alex  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Thanks to everyone for the replies….. I’ve had lots of dizziness as part of my anxiety, but it’s just since the first Zoloft that I noticed this tendency to get dizzy when I watch something moving fast. It’s very concerning to me in that I always thought of dizziness to be ear-related, but this appears to be caused by some connection with my eyes. My other dizziness that I had before this is also strange, it seems that as long as I keep moving, I’m OK, but the minute I stop moving, I get dizzy. It’s almost as if all of the energy from my nervous system being used to move me around as I walk or run suddenly smashes into my balance system the minute I stop moving (I know thats ridiculous but I’m just using it as an analogy) The other amazing thing is that both my doctor and my therapist told me that zoloft would most likely make it hard to sleep, but the opposite has occured, since taking my first zoloft a few days ago I am increidbly tired (and dizzy). So part of me wants to run and have more medical tests, but then again I’ve been through that whole routine many times before. Thanks again to everyone for the replies. It really helps knowing there are other people out there that are going through this.

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. That is very good. Most doctors start their patients on 25 or 50 mgs and it is really better to *start low and go slow* in order to avoid or minimize initial Zoloft side effects.

Hi, I was given 50mgs for two weeks then on to 100. I believe I have a bite problem from clenching my teeth during this time. I see an endodontist next week to see if it’s a major crack way down in at least two teeth or the nerves that have been damaged as a result of this horrible clenching. I also had the *worst* nightmares. Can’t say for sure if it was the med (and yes I was really dizzy too) but it gradually went away after stopping it. I am, however, left with problem with my teeth, my dentist says to hope for a root canal as that would be the most simple repair of the possible ones. Great littlebear

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Hi Steve, I had dry eyes real bad..kind of like dry mouth and yawns. My eye sight changed while taking zoloft and ive talked to another person that that happened with too…you no your body best and if you think it is a side effect then bring it up with your doctor…it does sound like it will get better if that’s the case. once again best wishes charla

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to everyone for the replies….. I’ve had lots of dizziness as part of my anxiety, but it’s just since the first Zoloft that I noticed this tendency to get dizzy when I watch something moving fast. It’s very concerning to me in that I always thought of dizziness to be ear-related, but this appears to be caused by some connection with my eyes. My other dizziness that I had before this is also strange, it seems that as long as I keep moving, I’m OK, but the minute I stop moving, I get dizzy. It’s almost as if all of the energy from my nervous system being used to move me around as I walk or run suddenly smashes into my balance system the minute I stop moving (I know thats ridiculous but I’m just using it as an analogy) The other amazing thing is that both my doctor and my therapist told me that zoloft would most likely make it hard to sleep, but the opposite has occured, since taking my first zoloft a few days ago I am increidbly tired (and dizzy). So part of me wants to run and have more medical tests, but then again I’ve been through that whole routine many times before. Thanks again to everyone for the replies. It really helps knowing there are other people out there that are going through this.

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Thanks to everyone for the replies….. I’ve had lots of dizziness as part of my anxiety, but it’s just since the first Zoloft that I noticed this tendency to get dizzy when I watch something moving fast. It’s very concerning to me in that I always thought of dizziness to be ear-related, but this appears to be caused by some connection with my eyes.

There are nerve tract connections between the eyes and the inner ear, and both tell your brain about the orientation of your body in relation to the environment. Ever watch a movie of a roller-coaster and get dizzy and nauseous? The Zoloft may be temporarily accentuating this reaction. It will pass. My other dizziness that I had before this is also strange, it seems that as long as I keep moving, I’m OK, but the minute I stop moving, I get dizzy.

As long as you’re walking you know where your feet are. If you stand still, your anxiety can over-ride the sensory input from your legs that tells your brain you are upright. This results in a sensation of dizziness, and more specically the feeling that you will fall down. I have been so anxious at times that I was unable to just stand. I had to lean against a table or wall. It’s almost as if all of the energy from my nervous system being used to move me around as I walk or run suddenly smashes into my balance system the minute I stop moving (I know thats ridiculous but I’m just using it as an analogy) The other amazing thing is that both my doctor and my therapist told me that zoloft would most likely make it hard to sleep, but the opposite has occured, since taking my first zoloft a few days ago I am increidbly tired (and dizzy).

I was told to take Zoloft in he AM since it can be stimulating and lead to insomnia for the first several days. It can also cause fatigue, although I have never experienced this side effect. So part of me wants to run and have more medical tests, but then again I’ve been through that whole routine many times before.

I think there are physiological explanations for our symptoms of dizziness, but they are not due to organic disease, only anxiety. Thanks again to everyone for the replies. It really helps knowing there are other people out there that are going through this.

Various types of "dizziness" are very common in people with anxiety disorders. Chip Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to everyone for the replies….. I’ve had lots of dizziness as part of my anxiety, but it’s just since the first Zoloft that I noticed this tendency to get dizzy when I watch something moving fast. It’s very concerning to me in that I always thought of dizziness to be ear-related, but this appears to be caused by some connection with my eyes. My other dizziness that I had before this is also strange, it seems that as long as I keep moving, I’m OK, but the minute I stop moving, I get dizzy. It’s almost as if all of the energy from my nervous system being used to move me around as I walk or run suddenly smashes into my balance system the minute I stop moving (I know thats ridiculous but I’m just using it as an analogy) The other amazing thing is that both my doctor and my therapist told me that zoloft would most likely make it hard to sleep, but the opposite has occured, since taking my first zoloft a few days ago I am increidbly tired (and dizzy). So part of me wants to run and have more medical tests, but then again I’ve been through that whole routine many times before. Thanks again to everyone for the replies. It really helps knowing there are other people out there that are going through this.

Hi Steve, Dizziness is my main anxiety symptom too. I also get dizzy sometimes when I am on the computer and I am scrolling through web pages very quickly. It seems to happen when I am very tired. So I try to scroll slowly and take frequent breaks from the computer. Do you experience dizziness when you lay down at night, it feels like you are on a boat on rough seas? When my anxiety was bad this happened everynight, I hated it. There is no quarantee that your sleep will be messed up while on zoloft. Some people do have problems sleeping while others claim their sleep has improved. Your incredible fatigue and dizziness should subside with time. It sounds like you are doing pretty good though. Take care Jackie

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I started on the same dose and felt dizzy too some of the time.  I am up too 100mg without any more sid effects.  i use too be sooooo scared of it but i am actually doing very well. The side effects do go awaya after a few days . I was always scared when they would increase it but then found that it was no big deal.  I am usually very sensitive to meds.  I am really glad to be on it.  My anxiety has really lifted.  I am doing so much more now and can actually enjoy some things now. Good Luck!

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My doctor told me to start Zoloft for anxiety/panic by cutting a 25mg pill in half and taking a half a pill for a week and then start on a whole pill a day. The day of the first half-pill dosage I felt fine (and the doctor said I wouldn’t have any side effects for a few days), but that evening, while watching some animation on my computer screen, I started to get very dizzy as I watched the screen. It seems everytime my eyes are exposed to something in fast motion, I get dizzy. Is this a possible side effect of zoloft on such a low dose, or do I have yet another thing to worry about?

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My doctor told me to start Zoloft for anxiety/panic by cutting a 25mg pill in half and taking a half a pill for a week and then start on a whole pill a day. The day of the first half-pill dosage I felt fine (and the doctor said I wouldn’t have any side effects for a few days), but that evening, while watching some animation on my computer screen, I started to get very dizzy as I watched the screen. It seems everytime my eyes are exposed to something in fast motion, I get dizzy. Is this a possible side effect of zoloft on such a low dose, or do I have yet another thing to worry about?

Hi Steve, Dizziness is a fairly common side-effect of Zoloft.  While it is an uncomfortable side-effect, it is not dangerous and should pass with time. Of course if it is concerning you don`t hesitate to talk to your doctor. Take care. Jackie

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My doctor told me to start Zoloft for anxiety/panic by cutting a 25mg pill in half and taking a half a pill for a week and then start on a whole pill a day.

That is very good. Most doctors start their patients on 25 or 50 mgs and it is really better to *start low and go slow* in order to avoid or minimize initial Zoloft side effects. The day of the first half-pill dosage I felt fine (and the doctor said I wouldn’t have any side effects for a few days), but that evening, while watching some animation on my computer screen, I started to get very dizzy as I watched the screen. It seems everytime my eyes are exposed to something in fast motion, I get dizzy. Is this a possible side effect of zoloft on such a low dose, or do I have yet another thing to worry about?

The way I see it there are three possibilities: – It’s just the old anxiety (did you experience dizziness as an anziety symprom?) – It’s a Zoloft side effect which is very well possible. Some people are more sensitive to these meds than others. In this case you might consider asking for a benzo like Xanax on the side (not a bad idea anyway while weaning on an AD). – Maybe you are so focused on possible side effects that it has becomne a self-fulfilling prophecy IMO you should ask for a benzo on the side and then wait for a few weeks if possible and see how it goes. This is much too early to have any idea about Zoloft being a good med for you or not. I hope it will be. Philip

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HI Steve, I didn’t know they came in 25mgs..I split my 50 in half…It would be cheaper the pharmacist says to buy the 100 and split that in fourths.But I’m so sensitive to change that I stick with what I know. I experienced dizziness the first day starting Zoloft at 12.5 mgs and the doc told me that it was not enough med in my system to have side effects. It was anxiety..I was looking for the side effects.I had increased symptoms of anxiety for the first month starting on Zoloft and it was because I was so anxious about taking it. I told myself everyday I can stop taking this anytime I choose and the dosage I’m taking is so little that these things I’m feeling are the result of my fear of meds and yesterday I was fine and today I will be to…I’m going to give this med time to see if it will help. You can check with your doctor anytime day or night…or call your pharmacist for reassurance..and try to be honest with yourself..Is this anxiety from taking a medicine. Charla

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My doctor told me to start Zoloft for anxiety/panic by cutting a 25mg pill in half and taking a half a pill for a week and then start on a whole pill a day. The day of the first half-pill dosage I felt fine (and the doctor said I wouldn’t have any side effects for a few days), but that evening, while watching some animation on my computer screen, I started to get very dizzy as I watched the screen. It seems everytime my eyes are exposed to something in fast motion, I get dizzy. Is this a possible side effect of zoloft on such a low dose, or do I have yet another thing to worry about?

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I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it.   Thanks. Penzack

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My understanding from everything I have read and talked to others is fogginess in the head is common and can take up to 2 weeks for the body to adjust to it. The appetite is probably the Ritalin.  That is a normal side effect.  My son has this too, but the Clonadine he takes at nite works well and I let him eat alot then.  He is 7 lbs. underweight. Regina … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Penzack

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Hi Penzack: I’ve been on Wellbutrin, and Dexedrine spansule ( long acting ) for six months, and haven’t encountered the side-effects you describe. Wellbutrin takes seven days to build up the blood levels to be effective. One possibility, might be simple anxiety ( that sounds sick ) but anxiety has a way of producing physical symptoms. The wellbutrin has actually helped me to reduce my anxiety. Let me know if I can be of more help. Regards, David. I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and

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Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time.

I didn’t take Wellbutrin, my son did.  All I can tell you is it takes time to build up in your system.  The psych said up to four weeks. Mark settled down after a few weeks.  We did find, however, after long term use (two years) Wellbutrin seemed to bring out an argumentative, agressive streak in him.  We had to take him off of it.  He’s the dreamy, inattentive ADHD type, with some depression (although that has thankfully begun to lift, I think with maturity.  He’s beginning to gain some control over his own life, and he’s happier for it.  He’s 18 now) — Ann Illegitimi non Carborundum annbal*at*thecia*dot*net

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Different people have different responses.  It often takes Wellbutrin a while to show any significant benefit–I’ve been on it 4 months now and I’m still seeing changes. I _wish_ Wellbutrin suppressed _my_ appetite.  On Ritalin, before it quit working for me, I managed to lose something like 30 pounds.  Since I’ve been on Wellbutrin I’ve gained that back and maybe a wee bit more. — — –John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Penzack

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away? Thanks. Penzack

Hi, Just wanted to mention here that I am using Wellbutrin SR for smoking cessation.  I was to take 2 pills a day, but had to cut back to 1, as I was getting dizzy spells, and could not sleep at night.  As for my appetite, I am just the opposite, I am gaining too much weight. As for the glazed look, I felt dopey, not tired, but all in all it has helped me in my quest to stop smoking.

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You might want to check out this web page "http://www.mayohealth.org/usp/html/202098b.htm".  It’s a clinical trial overview of the drug.   I’ve been taking wellbutrin for only about 3 to 4 weeks.  When my dose was initially doubled up to 300 mg per day (in 2 doses) boy, did I get some un-nerving side-effects!  Heavy dissiness that would come in waves, feeling quite ‘out of it’, yet being more interactive with others.  Strange huh?  I also noticed that I was having trouble maintaining my tolerance level, ("snapping out" more easily) I believe that this was caused also by the cesasion of paxil over the last couple of weeks as well (withdraw simptoms).   I was also having a great deal of trouble sleeping through the night — 12 to 7, became 2 – 4.   I was very concerned about the side effects, especially the waves of dissiness.  They seemed almost like a rush that would make my nerves tingle and my eyes want to roll back in my head.  After discussing them with my doctor she cut me back to 1/2 doses. I am going to continue with the medication because of its reputation of becoming more effective with less noticeable side-effects as time goes on. If you are concerned by all means talk to your doctor, perhaps he/she may be able to suggest something to help him through this tough time.  I hope that your son (as well as myself) soon start to notice the more positive effects of Wellbutrin. Hang in there.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You might want to check out this web page "http://www.mayohealth.org/usp/html/202098b.htm".  It’s a clinical trial overview of the drug.   I’ve been taking wellbutrin for only about 3 to 4 weeks.  When my dose was initially doubled up to 300 mg per day (in 2 doses) boy, did I get some un-nerving side-effects!  Heavy dissiness that would come in waves, feeling quite ‘out of it’, yet being more interactive with others.  Strange huh?  I also noticed that I was having trouble maintaining my tolerance level, ("snapping out" more easily) I believe that this was caused also by the cesasion of paxil over the last couple of weeks as well (withdraw simptoms). I was also having a great deal of trouble sleeping through the night — 12 to 7, became 2 – 4.   I was very concerned about the side effects, especially the waves of dissiness. They seemed almost like a rush that would make my nerves tingle and my eyes want to roll back in my head.  After discussing them with my doctor she cut me back to 1/2 doses. I am going to continue with the medication because of its reputation of becoming more effective with less noticeable side-effects as time goes on. If you are concerned by all means talk to your doctor, perhaps he/she may be able to suggest something to help him through this tough time.  I hope that your son (as well as myself) soon start to notice the more positive effects of Wellbutrin. Hang in there.

I am not against Wellbutrin, please don’t take this post that way. I just want to point out that Wellbutrin, like ANY medication or herbal supplement should be tested on you in low doses before you make a decision on whether it is for you. I nearly had a heart attack on 5mg of Wellbutrin.. because of an allergic reaction. My sister stopped eating altogether when they put her on it. Please, everyone, be safe. ~Wendy

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out: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away? Thanks. Penzack Hi, Just wanted to mention here that I am using Wellbutrin SR for smoking cessation.  I was to take 2 pills a day, but had to cut back to 1, as I was getting dizzy spells, and could not sleep at night.  As for my appetite, I am just the opposite, I am gaining too much weight. As for the glazed look, I felt dopey, not tired, but all in all it has helped me in my quest to stop smoking.

Wellbutrin was the first drug that I took for treatment of my ADD and depression. It worked pretty well in the short time that I took it – it really helped my concentration, and I liked the appetite suppression aspect of it since I’m overweight, but my body just couldn’t tolerate it. I got dizzy, sleepy yet hyper at the same time, nervous, shaky, headachey, and just a feeling of sickness and toxicity – a bad taste in my mouth. I put up with it for a while, tried cutting back the dosage, but it only kept getting worse. I think my body just wasn’t excreting it well. Wellbutrin is in a class by itself. It’s not like any other drug. From what I understand, it’s not a reuptake inhibitor, and they are unsure as to what exactly the action is that it takes to make seratonin, norepenephrin and dopamine more available. Although it’s classed as an antidepressant, it actually acts like a stimulant on the CNS. Personally I don’t do too well on stimulants. Low doses of caffiene and dexedrine, ritalin, etc, don’t have much effect. Higher doses start to have a beneficial, calming effect, helping my concentration, etc, but then after a time I start to get sick, dizzy, nervous, headachey, etc etc, and the symptoms get progressively worse, as if it’s building up in my body and not being excreted, and making me sick. But in general I think I have a pretty sensitive system. In all the drugs I’ve tried since (Nortriptaline, Prozac, Effexor) I’ve only ever needed the lowest dose of the drug for effectiveness. I know people who take Wellbutrin and do great on it. I have a young cousin who takes it for ADD and it has had no negative side effects. My ex-husband takes it for alcohol addiction, and he said the only side effect was the loss of appetite. I would say that if the bad side effects, the dizziness and such continue, and you don’t seem to be getting any positive effects, then talk to your doctor about switching to something else. There are many other drugs out there you can try if Wellbutrin doesn’t work. wherever, at primenet dot com wherever you are…there you go.

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I have a 7yr old child who is on Ritalin, Clonidine and Wellbutrin 150mg SR once daily.  It will take up to 4 weeks before your body starts to effectively absorb the medication and then you will start to see results. it is a slow progress, you can’t expect to notice a difference in just a few days.  Just don’t give up.

s.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 7 yr old was put on Wellbutrin 100mg a day.  We have seen great improvement.  He was taking Effexor for a while and I never did see the change.  With the Wellbutrin, it took probably 1-2 weeks to see a difference.  My son was talking about suicide and how everyone hated him and he couldn’t do anything right.  On the Wellbutrin, I haven’t heard hardly any depressive comments.  It’s been great.  But if you stick with it a while and you can’t tell a difference, try something else.  It’s my opinion that medications effect everyone differently. I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days. My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Penzack

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My 7 yr old was put on Wellbutrin 100mg a day.  We have seen great improvement.  He was taking Effexor for a while and I never did see the change.  With the Wellbutrin, it took probably 1-2 weeks to see a difference.  My son was talking about suicide and how everyone hated him and he couldn’t do anything right.  On the Wellbutrin, I haven’t heard hardly any depressive comments.  It’s been great.  But if you stick with it a while and you can’t tell a difference, try something else.  It’s my opinion that medications effect everyone differently. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have just been put on Wellbutrin SR 150 mgs twice a day (morning and night) for ADD and depression symptoms(diagnosed 4 weeks ago).  I tried Ritalin, but it made depression worse, so now I have been on Wellbutrin for 3 days.  My depression is no better and I seem to be lightheaded (in a daze). My son, age 7 (ADHD/ODD/Depression) has also been put on Wellbutrin 75 mgs twice a day, he has been on it three days and does not show much improvement with Depression. He seems to be going around in a daze, but still very emotional.  He is also on Ritalin and Clonidine. He was weaned off Paxil a week ago. Can anyone tell me if this effect of Wellbutrin is common (the glazed look)? Does this wear off??  When does Wellbutrin start to really help??  Also, my son’s appetite has been effected and he does not need that.  He is already underweight. Is the appetite suppression temporary, or a long term effect of medication?  Also, when does the jitteryness and agitation go away?  My son has had an hour and a half of that to deal with at school before he is able to calm down.  The teacher is beside herself during that time. If any of you can help us, I would appreciate it.   Thanks. Penzack

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i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

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I was on Effexor for about five weeks.  The Effexor really did not do anything for me.  I felt anxious all the time.  I finally went to the doctor and demanded that he change my prescription.  I am on Prozac 20mg/day plus Ativan 2mg at night. JP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim I beg to differ. TCA’s as a rule do increase symptoms in the first weeks as well. With most SRI’s it’s the same and in both cases this is of a passing nature. I don’t really know about MAOI’s. Philip

When I first went on a TCA I could hardly do anything for about 4 days except fall asleep. I was trying to get my act together to complain to the Doctor about this, when it suddenly cleared up. YYMV of course. — Jon Guite When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return address

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In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim

I beg to differ. TCA’s as a rule do increase symptoms in the first weeks as well. With most SRI’s it’s the same and in both cases this is of a passing nature. I don’t really know about MAOI’s. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks — Friends, don’t let friends eat haggis.

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Hi.  I was on Klonopin and Effexor at once before.  I was also on two other crappy meds, so It is hard to judge.  Effexor did a lot for my depression at first, but after about 3 months, it really didn’t have any effect.  I was on 175mg, about go on 300 when I switched to Parnate-an MAO.  It has *Really* helped my depression a lot.  It has also improved my anxiety.  Klonopin also improved my anxiety, but I was a zombie and had a hard time getting up and functioning.  Good luck. i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

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According to the literature I got w/my prescrip of effexor ANXIETY is one of the possible side-effects of effexor. Other possible side-effects include: dizziness, nausea, dry mouth and rapid heartbeat. I’ve experiences all of the side effects except dizziness. I cut my effexor tablets in half now and the more severe side-effects have vanished. Doug

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In some people SSRI’s can increase anxiety. Where TCA’s and MOAI’s do not. YMMV Tim i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

– Friends, don’t let friends eat haggis.

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i was taking Paxil for about 1.5 yrs and my doctor recently switched me to effexor.  i immediately began experiencing GAD symptoms (i was diagnosed with panic disorder before being diagnosed with depression; they put me on xanax for a while before paxil) and i find it absolutely unbearable.  should i try combining maybe xanax or klonopin with th effexor or should I find a new drug like serzone or traxodone?  ive been struggling for years to find an antidepressant that works for me and i am desparate for any info.  thanks

Why did you go off Paxil? Which AD’s did you try? I wouldn’t take Klonopin if I were you as this is contra-indicated for people suffering from depression. Xanax, however, has a slight antidepressant component of its own. Have you tried a TCA? Trazodone is not a good anti-anxiety med. I always thought Serzone wasn’t either, unless combined with Xanax, but lately quite some people here have reported good results. If you tried the other options this might be a med for you to try now. It enhances the effect of Xanax which means that you can take less Xanax than you weuld normally do and maybe you can have longer breaks in between doses. Let no-one tell you that Serzone/Xanax is a bad combo because it isn’t if prescribed and used in the right way. Of course there are still the MAOI’s to consider which seem the most effective meds but have other disadvantages. Please let us know how you carry on! Philip

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