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Bad reactions to oral steroids

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I am new to the group, and have a family of asthmatics. I am 29-years old and was finally diagnosed with asthma about 2-years ago. I have a just turned 4-year old who has had asthma since he was 6-months old, a 7-year old who was recently diagnosed, and a 5-month old baby who has already contracted RSV and been on albuterol nebulizer treatments. I have had very nasty side effects with Prednisone and Prednisolone oral steroids. I also have a hard time taking Decahedron. The only oral steroid I have been able to tolerate is a Medrol dose pack. Has anyone one had similar problems? I would also appreciate any information available on RSV and its effects. Thank you.

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The oral steroids commonly used for asthma are prednisone, prednisolone, and methylprednisolone (Medrol). I think the side effects are similar. I think that Decadron (dexamethsone) is not usually used for asthma due to its more severe side effects. The oral steroids are used for ‘burst’ doses for asthma exacerbations, and for very Severe asthmatics. Many asthmatics who formerly took oral steroids for maintenance have been able to switch to the new high-strength steroid inhalers like Flovent and Pulmicort, which results in a much lower total dose of steroid since it goes directly to the lungs. Oral steroids have many side effects including osteoporosis, high BP, psychological effects, etc. Info on RSV at www.rsvinfo.com (drug co. site) http://www.rsvinfo.com/sequelae/sequelae.html "Recurring Respiratory Problems Reactive airway disease and pulmonary function deficits are two conditions known to strike those who have suffered from RSV bronchiolitis in their first year of life, even in children whose initial illness did not require hospitalization.10 Wheezing and asthma have also been identified in children 10 years after suffering an RSV lower respiratory tract infection in infancy. 11 This susceptibility to asthma and wheezing may have been caused by the early infection damaging the growing lung. However, genetics may also play a role in predisposing patients with RSV to the development of recurring respiratory problems.11 Two major hypotheses have been proposed to explain the association between lower respiratory tract infections such as RSV during infancy and subsequent respiratory abnormalities such as asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.10 These two possibilities, however, while contrasting, are not necessarily mutually exclusive. According to various prospective studies involving children who had experienced RSV infection as infants, the following RSV sequelae have been reported11-21: recurrent wheezing; cough asthma; impaired oxygenation pulmonary dysfunction bronchial reactivity acute respiratory disease hyperinflation variable airways obstruction RSV Risk Factors It is important to note that there is a broad spectrum of RSV infection ranging from mild to severe to fatal, and it is not known whether RSV sequelae follow mild RSV infections, as most prospective studies follow cases of infants who were hospitalized for moderate to severe RSV infection.11-21 In hospitalized patients with moderate to severe cases of RSV bronchiolitis infection, physicians should consider early treatment with an antiviral agent to reduce the risk of long-term sequelae. Those infants and young children most at risk for severe RSV infection include: Those with a history of prematurity Infants less than six weeks of age Those with congenital heart disease Those with chronic lung conditions including bronchopulmonary dysplasia and cystic fibrosis Those who suffer from immunodeficiency (e.g., HIV, AIDS, cancer, transplants) Can Early Treatment Make a Difference? If viral infections early in life cause long-term sequelae, RSV can be considered a prime candidate by virtue of high incidence in early infancy.10 But is there anything that can help decrease the risk of long-term sequelae? Some studies confirm a decreased overall incidence of bronchitis in ribavirin-treated patients but do not maintain that subsequent diagnosis of reactive airway disease is reduced due to such antiviral treatment.22 However, recent prospective and retrospective studies23-25 indicate that aggressive medical intervention and early treatment with a broad-spectrum antiviral may reduce the morbidity from RSV disease. AUTHORS: Fergie et al at Driscoll Children’s Hospital in Corpus Christi, Texas METHODS: Assessed the pulmonary health status at two years following hospital discharge of 30 ribavirin-treated infants with RSV bronchiolitis (1994-1995 RSV season) Compared this status with 28 matched infants whose treatment at the same hospital excluded ribavirin RESULTS: For Full Prescribing Information For VIRAZOLE

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » When Will Flovent Have Generic Form » MusicYo.com

MusicYo.com

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Has anyone ordered from here? I am instrested in the Kramer that is $179 (I forgot the model and am to lazy to load up the browser I has 2 "quad rail" humbukers and 1 double rail humbuker in the middle. Also comes with a Floyd Rose tremolo and some kick ass tuners. So, any good? Or has anyone ordered from their yet? Thanks Nicola

I’m interested too… it’d be nice to have a backup guitar with a floyd for gigs if my JEM breaks a string… *sigh* why can’t I be endorsed for JEMs? Hehehe… Where is the company located? *crosses fingers* please say Canada… -=Devon Lougheed=- "if politics is the blind leading the blind, entertainment is the f**ked up leading the hypnotised" to reply remove NOSPAM from email adress

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I bought the same guitar your looking at. I love it! Right now I own two Les Pauls, a JB player PRS copy, and a Cort Flying V. This guitar doesn’t sound like any of them. The sound is close to a Jackson or Ibanez but a little beefier. I play mainly hard rock in the vain of Ratt and it does great for what I need it for. I haven’t played out with it yet but I’ve recorded with it and it did great!! No Noise. I have a Line 6 Flextone 300 watt head through a Peavy 412e cab. So just about any guitar would sound great to me!! It will depend a lot on what type of setup you have and what style of music you play. The guitar stays in tune providing you have it setup correctly. It seems like it will hold up against the test of a musicians time!! My experience with music yo was very good. I placed my order and got a receipt number right away, then a thank you for your order the next day as well as a confirmation of shipment with a UPS tracking number. It was here in 6 days. These Krammers are made by Gibson and are shipped from the Gibson factory in Nash. Tenn. You can email Gibson for more info on the Krammer line. (since they are real quite about it online) Visit www.gibson.com Good Luck Laura

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone ordered from here? I am instrested in the Kramer that is $179 (I forgot the model and am to lazy to load up the browser I has 2 "quad rail" humbukers and 1 double rail humbuker in the middle. Also comes with a Floyd Rose tremolo and some kick ass tuners. So, any good? Or has anyone ordered from their yet? Thanks Nicola

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought the same guitar your looking at. I love it! Right now I own two Les Pauls, a JB player PRS copy, and a Cort Flying V. This guitar doesn’t sound like any of them. The sound is close to a Jackson or Ibanez but a little beefier. I play mainly hard rock in the vain of Ratt and it does great for what I need it for. I haven’t played out with it yet but I’ve recorded with it and it did great!! No Noise. I have a Line 6 Flextone 300 watt head through a Peavy 412e cab. So just about any guitar would sound great to me!! It will depend a lot on what type of setup you have and what style of music you play. The guitar stays in tune providing you have it setup correctly. It seems like it will hold up against the test of a musicians time!! My experience with music yo was very good. I placed my order and got a receipt number right away, then a thank you for your order the next day as well as a confirmation of shipment with a UPS tracking number. It was here in 6 days. These Krammers are made by Gibson and are shipped from the Gibson factory in Nash. Tenn. You can email Gibson for more info on the Krammer line. (since they are real quite about it online) Visit www.gibson.com Good Luck

Just that everyone understands, the new Kramer Strikers may be "shipped" from Gibson’s factory in Nashville TN but they are made in Korea. I’m still looking for someone here to post a review of the guitar. I’m looking for quality and playability. I have to be honest in that I am intrested in picking one up (can’t beat the price) but the one thing that holds me back in the "rail" pickups that the guitar comes with. The MusicYo site states that the rail pickup’s have a 2/4 configuration where you can pull up on the tone knob to turn on all four pickup rails. The problem for me is if I don’t like the pickups it doens’t seem like it would be very easy to just replace them with better pickups. The 2/4 pickup selector switch may have to be replaced as well. I have played the new Kramer Baretta’s with the rail pickups and I wasn’t that impressed. The Jackson DK’s sounded much better (with the Duncan design pickups). So can anyone who has purchased a new Kramer Striker from MusicYo post an in-depth review of the guitar (quility, sound, opinion of the "rail" pickups etc..). Regards, — — Matt Costanza Austin, TX USA

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Very good company for their guitars, great service. For strings, give www.stringsdirect.co.uk a try – they are also apparently excellent but have far cheaper delivery costs. Stu

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair ….. Any feedback mush appreciated Rgds Gary

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Hi, Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair ….. Any feedback mush appreciated

I purchased a guitar (Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro), gigbag, etc. from them. I’ve been very pleased with their service, incl. customer service & tech support (I used email for both). Dave Morgenlender

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I’ve dealt with them pretty extensively and have been happy with the instruments I purchased. I have purchased strings from them, but since I live in the US, shipping cost is not a major concern. My guess is you might be better off purchasing strings locally as suggested, unless they are the sole source (like for my Steinberger). If these are regular strings, I’d recommend also checking out musicians friend or American Musical Supply for bulk discounts and shipping. If you’r not concerned with brand names, they may have generic bulk strings you may purchase. Another possibility with Music Yo is to contact them to see if they will ship via your preffered shipper. They might be willing to do it for you. Contact is by email only, however, they have responded to some requests in the past and have been a pleasure to deal with. Toby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair ….. Well, I don’t know about their shipping prices on small items like Christmas gift last year…….but I think if I was going to actually buy anything from them, it would be something like a guitar or amp and not strings. Is there a reason you can’t go to a local store for strings? Charles — Head Papershuffler Paper Airplane Division (currently assigned to the Rubber Band Flight Dynamics project)

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I noticed the UK prices are much higher. I have no idea about tariffs or costs in the US. The prices in the US are lower and you can use the US postal service to lower the delivery costs – something a lot of places are now using after the tech bubble collapsed and freebies and subsidies went out the window as wel las the feeling that online sales was the future of retailing. Fuel costs also rose with the rise of oil prices causing a rise a shipping prices. I got my bass delviered I think for $12 or so by the postal service and it got here in about a week about the same as UPS which would have cost $30-40.

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Has anybody else had any dealings with MusicYo.com ? I logged on a couple of days ago to look at buying a few items, which initially looked good on pricing. However when it actually came to delivery costs, sheesh, it worked out more expensive than buying it from my local retailer ! I am based in the UK, and delivery for 1 (or 10) sets of strings worked out at 39.85 dollars standard delivery ( from the European warehouse) or $97.13 dollars for express delivery ( from the European warehouse) – I nearly fell off my chair …..

Well, I don’t know about their shipping prices on small items like gift last year…….but I think if I was going to actually buy anything from them, it would be something like a guitar or amp and not strings. Is there a reason you can’t go to a local store for strings? Charles — Head Papershuffler Paper Airplane Division (currently assigned to the Rubber Band Flight Dynamics project)

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Singulair And Flovent » Questions before surgery???

Questions before surgery???

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Here’s where I am — after 10-plus years of sinus problems (which escalated to about 6 infections in the last 8-9 months), my family physician finally sent me to an ENT. ENT sent me for CT scan and allergy testing. CT scans showed cysts (first thought they were polyps, but the report says cysts) filling 2/3 of left maxillary and 1/2 (back half) of the left (largest) sphenoid. There was also thickening in the sphenoid, bottom of left frontal and at the opening (well, where there’s *supposed* to be an opening) to the right maxillary. Ethmoids were mostly clear with just a little cloudiness in some small areas. Dx: chronic sinusitis. Fortunately, I am not in the midst of an acute attack just now. The allergy testing, about which I briefly posted last week, was negative (except for the histamine control). In addition, the IgG/A/M bloodwork that the allergist/immunologist sent me in for has, so far, come up negative — but that’s only the ‘M’ part. The jury is still out on the IgG/A portions — the lab screwed up and forgot to test for these. Had more blood drawn for this early this past week, and I should have the results this week before my visit to the ENT on this coming Thursday to talk about surgery. At the moment I am ‘managing’ the sinus problems with Claritan D (although the ENT says he may have me try a combo decongestant and mucus thinner instead, since the allergy testing was negative and I may not need the antihistamine part, and certainly don’t need the sleepiness it brings). I’m also using Singulair and Nasonex and several OTC things — saline spray, Xlear (sp?), nasal irrigation (still working on the head positioning, Dr. Grossan — thanks for your suggestion!), papaya enzymes, etc., etc. I drink lots of water and actively stay as far from any triggers (to the non-allergenic rhinitis that complicates things) as possible. I do know that when I had to go off the Claritan D before allergy testing that I started with the problems again. Awful headaches — on the right side, and also in back of my eyes and head. And even now, with all this care, I still have headaches at various times. Some days, I still have lots of drainage. I know that the small-to-almost-nonexistant opening into the right maxillary is definitely part of the problem. A couple of weeks ago, the whole side of my face was throbbing — finally I heard a long, drawn-out "sqeeeeeeeeak" (loud — like someone had stepped on a dog toy or something — even my husband heard it) and the headache disappeared. So I know at least a portion of this is the dreaded vacuum effect. Unfortunately, all my manipulations cannot quarantee that I can open it at any given time — even after all my various methods are tried. Once the headache starts, I’m out for the count unless I get lucky. Sometimes it lasts for days (even through the night). I am so tired (fatigue has been my middle name for years), and I am about 95-percent decided on surgery sometime in early October. I’ve done a lot of reading here and other places on the risks and rates of recovery, and I’ve read tons of post-surgery stories (both good and bad) and have spoken with people who have had FESS (and had good outcomes). I’m putting together a list of questions for the ENT appointment. I’ll be taking my husband along so that he can ask questions and listen to the answers as well. I believe that the ENT wants to avoid too much work in the sphenoid since the nerves or arteries or whatever are so close to some of the thickened portion, but at this point he believes that getting rid of the cyst is possible. He would also remove the cyst in the left maxillary and enlarge the opening to the right. Fortunately I have a beautifully straight septum which requires no work whatsoever. Thank heaven for small favors. Is there anything that, in the experience of those here, is important to ask at this meeting to discuss surgery or that you should have asked but didn’t? Also, any suggestions on building up your body/health before surgery? I start back to work in September after five years home with my son — but fortunately I’ll be working with my husband, and he’s pretty lenient (if he knows what’s good for him) about the time I need to take off to recover. I sure would appreciate any input on this.

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On 4 Aug 2001 15:32:52 -0700, studio…@net-magic.net (LSM) wrote:

….. Is there anything that, in the experience of those here, is important to ask at this meeting to discuss surgery or that you should have asked but didn’t? Also, any suggestions on building up your body/health before surgery? I start back to work in September after five years home with my son — but fortunately I’ll be working with my husband, and he’s pretty lenient (if he knows what’s good for him) about the time I need to take off to recover. I sure would appreciate any input on this.

I think it is important to evaluate the experience and reputation of the otolaryngologist. I would look for someone whosr primary specialty has been sinus surgery for many years. A University may be one place to look.

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Singulair And Flovent » Is it okay to use Astelin spray with a steroid nasal spray?

Is it okay to use Astelin spray with a steroid nasal spray?

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On 4/22/05 9:00 AM, in article 3csld4F6m22n…@individual.net, "Susan" <Su…@nothankyou.com

wrote: I think it’s helping, but if I get infected again, I’d like to know which abx I can use with the irrigator, instead of systemically?

Many doctors are switching to using the antibiotic via hydro pulse irrigation. You remove the thick mucus to get the abx in better contact with the bacteria too. If your doctor has any questions he can contact me directly.

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On 4/22/05 6:06 AM, in article 3csb6cF6kvuh…@individual.net, "Susan" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Su…@nothankyou.com

wrote: x-no-archive: yes Murray Grossan wrote: We regularly combine Astelin with a Steroid spray. Are you using Pulsatile irrigation? Thanks for the info, Murray. Yes, I’m irrigating at least daily, using some SinoFresh now and then in the evening, now that tree pollen is out. I’m about to finish the Augmentin XR, and I still have only a very small, almost pea sized area of soreness in the inner corner of my browbone (it extended almost the length of my eye when I began abx). I don’t want to have to medicate again, this is the third round this year. I just went back to my old allergist and am finally injecting potent desensitization doses of my serum again; the new allergist was so cautious (as convention dictates) that the shots had no effect at all. I’m hoping that the dramatic relief I get from these shots will knock down the allergy/infection/asthma cycle. I feel a lot less dizzy and weak today, having skipped Advair last night. What drug would my doctor need to rx if we wanted to try irrigating with an abx instead of using it orally? The same one? Thanks again, Susan

If you are having a sinus – asthma cycle, the cause may be failure of your nasal cilia to remove biofilm with its bacteria. Ask your doctor if using pulsatile irrigation would be of benefit for you.

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On 4/21/05 7:21 AM, in article 3cpr7cF6nht7…@individual.net, "Susan" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Su…@nothankyou.com

wrote: x-no-archive: yes I have chronic sinusitis that is finally coming under control after a month of Augmentin XR and nasal irrigation daily. I still have pn drip, though, and plenty of clear mucus. The reason I’ve become very concerned is that this is now triggering asthma, something I’ve not suffered from in the past. I gave up steroid sprays years ago, thinking they might contribute to infections by immune suppression, but I have adverse reactions to Singulair, and maybe Advair, too (elevated bp). Does anyone here know if it’s safe and/or advisable to combine Astelin with occasional steroid nasal spray? I’ve always gotten excellent results from the Astelin, so I’m not about to give it up. Susan

We regularly combine Astelin with a Steroid spray. Are you using Pulsatile irrigation?

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Does anyone here know if it’s safe and/or advisable to combine Astelin with occasional steroid nasal spray? I’ve always gotten excellent results from the Astelin, so I’m not about to give it up. Susan

I’m not sure what benefit occasional steroid spray use would be, since steroid sprays take at least 3 repeated days of use to have any significant effect at all, and to truly work well, you would need to use them at least 1 squirt per side every day. btw- I use Flonase every day and Astelin almost every day – with no apparent negative effects. AW

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Wheezing Cough And Flovent » cramping and flovent

cramping and flovent

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It seems like all the doctors are the same way with where they put the blame. As far as they see it, the meds don’t have any bad effects. My doctor is that way.

Get a new doctor. Chris Owens

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Steroid use can cause upper limb weakness, both legs and arms. I lift weights and take potassium and calcium suppliments to counter this. Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N

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Hello- your dose of flovent is VERY SMALL. I doubt it would cause those problems. Most of us complaining/talking about it are on 220, at least twice a day, sometimes four. Remember to use a spacer and rinse/garble your mouth out well after you take it, it can never hurt. -jenny I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N

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Yes I have noticed muscle weakness!! I am going back to 2 puffs of Flovent, and like I said, I have cut out Serevent. I have just added Intal also, which I hope will help. My doctor does the same thing, but enough people here have written about all these side effects to prove to me it is the medicine. I have NEVER had cramps and muscle weakness in my life, I am 32 and healthy otherwise. And I have had all the strange symptoms for the past 8 months, the exact amount of time I was put on all these asthma drugs. So that is my proof. I am hoping to get some good results from the Intal so I can reduce the Flovent and maybe get off of it all together. So you aren’t alone, your symptoms go along with my theory anyway. Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago. Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately). Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times. I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase. What a drag! Have you experienced any muscle weakness? My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N

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It seems like all the doctors are the same way with where they put the blame. As far as they see it, the meds don’t have any bad effects. My doctor is that way. But even though he thinks that way, I got my second VERY BAD cramp in my calf last night while I was sleeping. This is the second one since I started Flovent and Serevent. (And I have only had one other leg cramp in my life 5 years ago) Something has to give. Shannon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago. Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately). Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times. I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase. What a drag! Have you experienced any muscle weakness? My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N

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I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N

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Lisa, I was increased from 2 to 3 puffs twice daily of Flovent 44 about 3 months ago. Although I haven’t noticed increased cramping, the muscles in my lower legs and arms are very weak and feel like I’ve worked the muscles too hard (which I haven’t, unfortunately). Actually, they feel sort of like "spaghetti" at times. I have also gained about 10 pounds since the increase. What a drag! Have you experienced any muscle weakness? My doctor is always reluctant to "blame" oddities on my medicine. Patrice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am on Flovent 44 three puffs twice a day. I am having terrible cramping as of late. I used to be on Serevent that I know also caused cramping, and have since went off of it because of side effects. Now I am wondering if the inhaled steroids are causing this and if it is the particular brand I am on (Flovent) or if there is another type that doesn’t cause so much of this cramping. I am on Potassium, cacium, and magnesium supplements. I am wondering if I should switch, go off of the steroid, or what to do. I am also wondering if anyone else has noticed mood swings while on inhaled steriods. I noticed these symptoms increase after increasing from two puffs to three puffs twice a day. Any ideas will be appreciated. Lisa N

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Singulair And Flovent » Singulair and Children

Singulair and Children

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I may be a little late with this response. My son has been sporatically on Singular since he was 3 y.o… The reason for only being on it once in a while is because it gave him headaches. It took me a while to figure out they were related to the Singular, but it is listed as a side effect. Our doctor initially had given him a 5mg chewable. Then had us break it in half when the headaches started. The headaches continued so I gave up on it until recently I’ve tried him on 1/2 tablets again (he is 5 now) and he seems to do better on them. Just FYI …keep it in mind that there are side effects to the Singular. Marina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the help. Brian’s chest specialist is planning to substitute Singulair for Flovent. My husband and I are still deciding whether to stop the Flovent and change to Singulair or put up with the behaviour changes and leave him on Flovent. The Flovent does work. He has gotten sick this week with the flu and his asthma has not flared yet (yay!!!). I have talked to other parents who have had the same experience we have with using flovent. I haven’t seen any studies that say flovent causes behaviour changes but can only go by what I am seeing. Debbie If you haven’t already tried it, you might be surprised about your son’s reaction to Singulair. It tastes _so_ pleasing to children that I’ve read (sorry, can’t recall the source) that there is pressure on the maker to change the flavor to something less palatable. There’ve been incidents of children overdosing on it, perhaps seeing it more as It’s small, cute, pink and tastes great. Even my 10-year old, for whom Singulair proved ineffective, whined the other day he wishes he could take it again, it tasted so good. Crushing it and sprinkling it in something should be no problem for him. ~Jacy

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Thanks for the help. Brian’s chest specialist is planning to substitute Singulair for Flovent. My husband and I are still deciding whether to stop the Flovent and change to Singulair or put up with the behaviour changes and leave him on Flovent. The Flovent does work. He has gotten sick this week with the flu and his asthma has not flared yet (yay!!!). I have talked to other parents who have had the same experience we have with using flovent. I haven’t seen any studies that say flovent causes behaviour changes but can only go by what I am seeing. Debbie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you haven’t already tried it, you might be surprised about your son’s reaction to Singulair. It tastes _so_ pleasing to children that I’ve read (sorry, can’t recall the source) that there is pressure on the maker to change the flavor to something less palatable. There’ve been incidents of children overdosing on it, perhaps seeing it more as It’s small, cute, pink and tastes great. Even my 10-year old, for whom Singulair proved ineffective, whined the other day he wishes he could take it again, it tasted so good. Crushing it and sprinkling it in something should be no problem for him. ~Jacy

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If you haven’t already tried it, you might be surprised about your son’s reaction to Singulair. It tastes _so_ pleasing to children that I’ve read (sorry, can’t recall the source) that there is pressure on the maker to change the flavor to something less palatable. There’ve been incidents of children overdosing on it, perhaps seeing it more as It’s small, cute, pink and tastes great. Even my 10-year old, for whom Singulair proved ineffective, whined the other day he wishes he could take it again, it tasted so good. Crushing it and sprinkling it in something should be no problem for him. ~Jacy

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Hi, I’m on flovent since 1999, i’ve never had behavior and personality affects and never heard of some in children. You may try to check other places than flovent side effects. It’s working well, for singulair, headache can occur, if it doesn’t disappear after 2-3 days see your MD to quit singulair. Singulair work well in 1/3 of the peoples, there’s majority of children in this 1/3, another 1/3 get some result, and finally 1/3 don’t get any benifit. You can see result 2-3 days after the first treatment. Don’t quit flovent, for your child don’t worry you’re in the "terrible 2 years" period, they always say no, it like the small angel tranform itself in a little devil! Good luck! AT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 2 1/2 year old son is currently using flovent as his preventer medication. We have found that this affects his behaviour and personality. When I discussed this with his chest specialist he claims that flovent should not affect his personality. He suggested that we try singulair with him. Two questions immediately come to mind. One, how do you give a chewable singulair tablet to a child who will refuse to chew it? (He will not chew anything hard). Two, does anyone have experience with giving singulair to a child this young? I was told that there should not be any side effects but my husband and I are concerned about using this drug. We are considering living with the flovent because we know it works. Thanks in advance. Debbie

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My 2 1/2 year old son is currently using flovent as his preventer medication. We have found that this affects his behaviour and personality. When I discussed this with his chest specialist he claims that flovent should not affect his personality. He suggested that we try singulair with him. Two questions immediately come to mind. One, how do you give a chewable singulair tablet to a child who will refuse to chew it? (He will not chew anything hard). Two, does anyone have experience with giving singulair to a child this young? I was told that there should not be any side effects but my husband and I are concerned about using this drug. We are considering living with the flovent because we know it works. Thanks in advance. Debbie

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Effexor Withdrawal » Feel like crap! (Effexor)

Feel like crap! (Effexor)

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Chip, I think you were right. It’s the Effexor withdrawal. I added the extra 37.5 mgs. a little while ago. I’ll do 112.5 for another few days and that’ll make two weeks, then 75 for two weeks, etc. I feel a little better, but I don’t know if it’s the added mgs., the 3 Gravol or the 1.5 mgs. of Ativan. :-) Thanks Chip. Hugs, Di — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I hope you feel better real soon Diane. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Di, Did you try taking any benadryl? I read somewhere that benadryl can help with Effexor withdrawal. Best, JimD — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks Deirdre. It’ll pass, but not quick enough for me. :-) Love, Di

I hope you feel better real soon Diane. Deirdre

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chip, I think you were right. It’s the Effexor withdrawal. I added the extra 37.5 mgs. a little while ago. I’ll do 112.5 for another few days and that’ll make two weeks, then 75 for two weeks, etc. I feel a little better, but I don’t know if it’s the added mgs., the 3 Gravol or the 1.5 mgs. of Ativan. :-) Thanks Chip. Hugs, Di Di, Did you try taking any benadryl? I read somewhere that benadryl can help with Effexor withdrawal. Best, JimD

Are you kidding? I never heard of that before. Thanks Jim! I wish I knew because we were out just now, but I’m too tired to go back out. Maybe we can buy some tomorrow. Hugs, Di — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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~*~Chip, I think you were right. It’s the Effexor withdrawal. I added the ~*~extra 37.5 mgs. a little while ago. I’ll do 112.5 for another few days and ~*~that’ll make two weeks, then 75 for two weeks, etc. I feel a little better, ~*~but I don’t know if it’s the added mgs., the 3 Gravol or the 1.5 mgs. of ~*~Ativan. :-) Thanks Chip. Dear Di, Sorry you are feeling lousy! Hoping tomorrow will be a better day for you. (((((Di))))) Jackie ~*~Advice is like snow – the softer it falls, the longer it dwells upon, and the deeper it sinks into the mind~*~ ~~By Samuel Taylor Coleridge.~~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~*~Chip, I think you were right. It’s the Effexor withdrawal. I added the ~*~extra 37.5 mgs. a little while ago. I’ll do 112.5 for another few days and ~*~that’ll make two weeks, then 75 for two weeks, etc. I feel a little better, ~*~but I don’t know if it’s the added mgs., the 3 Gravol or the 1.5 mgs. of ~*~Ativan. :-) Thanks Chip. Dear Di, Sorry you are feeling lousy! Hoping tomorrow will be a better day for you. (((((Di))))) Jackie

Thanks so much Jackie. I hope so too. I feel a little better right now. Love, Di — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Di, Please don’t rush too quickly with the withdrawal. Take it at whatever pace feels good for you. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chip, I think you were right. It’s the Effexor withdrawal. I added the extra 37.5 mgs. a little while ago. I’ll do 112.5 for another few days and that’ll make two weeks, then 75 for two weeks, etc. I feel a little better, but I don’t know if it’s the added mgs., the 3 Gravol or the 1.5 mgs. of Ativan. :-) Thanks Chip. Hugs, Di — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thank you Elise. I went back up to 112.5 and will stay there for a few more days and then drop back to 75 for two weeks. I think that’s comfortable for me right now. Love, Di

Hi, Di, Please don’t rush too quickly with the withdrawal. Take it at whatever pace feels good for you. smiles, Elise

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Dose » I think I've had enough…gonna try switching to Celexa

I think I've had enough…gonna try switching to Celexa

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Went fine I think. PDoc recommended Lexpro instead of Celexa – said less side effects I started yesterday and continued today. No bad stuff yet. :) Hope there isn’t any to come….. He said 3-4 days 1/2 lex pill = 5mg. with 1/2 my zoloft dosage Then go up to 10mg. almost 2 days down already! thanks,

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :I meed with the doc tomorrow. Called this morning and got an appt. – what :luck How did your appt go? I hope well. Tell us about it Jackie ~*~I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what~*~ ~Harper Lee~ ~~To Kill a Mockingbird~~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:I started yesterday and continued today. No bad stuff yet. :) Hope there :isn’t any to come….. : :He said 3-4 days 1/2 lex pill = 5mg. with 1/2 my zoloft dosage :Then go up to 10mg. : :almost 2 days down already! Glad it`s going well. Good luck with the lexapro, I hope it works out for you Jackie ~*~Every time you are tempted to react in the same old way, ask if you want to be a prisoner of the past or a pioneer of the future~*~ ~ Deepak Chopra ~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I meed with the doc tomorrow. Called this morning and got an appt. – what luck

Hope the appointment is productive! Let us know how it goes. xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:I meed with the doc tomorrow. Called this morning and got an appt. – what :luck How did your appt go? I hope well. Tell us about it Jackie ~*~I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what~*~ ~Harper Lee~ ~~To Kill a Mockingbird~~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks Anne and Jacqueline for the followups. I meed with the doc tomorrow. Called this morning and got an appt. – what luck Hope you are well.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :I went to sleep and was startled awake probably 10 times the first hour. I :kept startling MYSELF awake. When my anxiety and panic is really bad, this is what happens to me. Some nights it was so bad that I couldn`t sleep at all. It was like my body just couldn`t relax, it was so use to being tense. :The funny thing is that there really isn’t :anything stressful going on in my life right now. Things are looking up, :got some nice trips planned with my wife. Makes no sense, huh I`ve had times in my life where there was no reason to be anxious or panicky, I just was. Then times…. when I should have been paralyzed by anxiety due to lifes stressors, that it didn`t rear it`s ugly head. :It just feels like lately a "grim :reaper" type of feeling keeps pecking at me, ruining all the good times – :making everything difficult. When you get to this point, changes have to be made. No need to suffer like this when something could help. :The doc said that I’d cut my zoloft dose by 50% and take a 50% dose of :celexa for a few weeks and then see what happens. : :Anyone else make this switch and have any comments? I`ve never made a switch like this, but many others have with great success. Good luck and I hope you see some positive changes soon Jackie ~*~Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there’s still time to change the road you’re on~*~" — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:I went to sleep and was startled awake probably 10 times the first hour. I :kept startling MYSELF awake. When my anxiety and panic is really bad, this is what happens to me. Some nights it was so bad that I couldn`t sleep at all. It was like my body just couldn`t relax, it was so use to being tense. :The funny thing is that there really isn’t :anything stressful going on in my life right now. Things are looking up, :got some nice trips planned with my wife. Makes no sense, huh I`ve had times in my life where there was no reason to be anxious or panicky, I just was. Then times…. when I should have been paralyzed by anxiety due to lifes stressors, that it didn`t rear it`s ugly head. :It just feels like lately a "grim :reaper" type of feeling keeps pecking at me, ruining all the good times – :making everything difficult. When you get to this point, changes have to be made. No need to suffer like this when something could help. :The doc said that I’d cut my zoloft dose by 50% and take a 50% dose of :celexa for a few weeks and then see what happens. : :Anyone else make this switch and have any comments? I`ve never made a switch like this, but many others have with great success. Good luck and I hope you see some positive changes soon Jackie ~*~Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there’s still time to change the road you’re on~*~" — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi all, I wrote recently about how I’ve been on zoloft for 8 years and tried to taper off 2 times. Last year I weaned back up to my normal dose of zoloft, but still things don’t seem very good. I am doing ok during the days, but when evening comes, I start to feel the anxiety setting in. Last night I took a xanax to help with it, and it was still pretty bad. I haven’t been sleeping well lately so I’ll take a tylenol pm too. I went to sleep and was startled awake probably 10 times the first hour. I kept startling MYSELF awake. I wake up feeling about 80% ok. the other 20% is that oh-so dark feeling. The funny thing is that there really isn’t anything stressful going on in my life right now. Things are looking up, got some nice trips planned with my wife. It just feels like lately a "grim reaper" type of feeling keeps pecking at me, ruining all the good times – making everything difficult. The doc said that I’d cut my zoloft dose by 50% and take a 50% dose of celexa for a few weeks and then see what happens. Anyone else make this switch and have any comments? thanks, Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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The doc said that I’d cut my zoloft dose by 50% and take a 50% dose of celexa for a few weeks and then see what happens.

I did that with Paxil– Celexa, Phil. I tapered down on the Paxil slowly (Verrrrry slowly!) from 30 mg per day to 10 mg. I began to feel some breakthrough depression then, so my pdoc switched me immediately to 10 mg Celexa (discontinuing the Paxil) and I weaned up to 20 mg Celexa. This worked very well for me. I did have to wait a bit longer for the Celexa to address all my issues (depression in particular) than I had with the Paxil originally, but it was worth it — a great med for me, with almost no side effects. I hope the switch will work for you. It’s definitely better than going cold turkey off the Zoloft. xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Effexor Xr 150 » (long) Not doing so well

(long) Not doing so well

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I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes.

I’m glad you are giving up your silence. but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much.

<nod, nod I know this one. , and my moods can change so rapidly

Mine too. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again,

OK, NOW you’re really starting to sound like me but I went on Xanax. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep.

I’m not telling but I might do this too but the Xanax does knock me out for a while. I also have been having weird and bad dreams again. I hope you start doing better soon. Maybe by opening up it will help. Mary Beth p’ed and e’d

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my

hugs to you too! Sfunny.. I was just thinking I hadn’t seen you for a while in asd… glad to see that you are okayish…. I know how you feel about tiredness… I’m on 225mg daily of effexor, and i constantly feel very tired….. I sleep ok, but i wake at 7am every day ((( have you tried herbal sleeping pills??? They may mess up with your meds…. Not getting enough sleep is annoying…. Have you mentioned your sleeping problems to your GP/therapist??? Don’t worry for posting for selfish reasons…. you have helped us loads of times in the past, so it’s time that we helped you…. Take care of yourself you hear??? Brian… Pooh… Something stinks in my room…. Better get the hoover out!!! /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’m glad you are giving up your silence.

Thanks. Staying silent seems safer, but I know talking and stepping over the other boundaries that I think keep me safe is the only way for me to make progress. but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. <nod, nod I know this one.

It’s hard for people, even those who, like Leigh, have battled some depression themselves, to see things from my point of view. When some days just getting out of bed is a great achievement, or even just staying alive, it seems to me like I’m making a huge effort. But other people can’t read my mind, and they don’t know how hard some days can be, so to them, it seems like I’m doing nothing. , and my moods can change so rapidly Mine too.

This is new for me, since I’m not bipolar. All I know is that one day, or even one hour, I can feel fairly good, and the next I’m crying or just unable to function at all. It’s taking a bit of getting used to. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, OK, NOW you’re really starting to sound like me but I went on Xanax.

I haven’t slept well in years, so I’m thinking of telling my pdoc when I see him next week if I can try a different sedative, because obviously the valium isn’t working as well as it’s supposed to. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. I’m not telling but I might do this too but the Xanax does knock me out for a while. I also have been having weird and bad dreams again. I hope you start doing better soon. Maybe by opening up it will help. Mary Beth p’ed and e’d

Thanks Mary Beth. I’m glad you’ve found a pill that helps you sleep, at least at the moment anyway. Luckily, I haven’t had many medication induced dreams (in fact, I rarely dream at all) so I really hope those go away quickly. I hope opening up a bit and posting again helps me, because nothing else seems to be working anymore. Also, thanks for responding to my post. You don’t usually respond to things I write, and I was starting to wonder if I’d offended you or something. I couldn’t think of how I might have done that, but I felt like I was being ignored. I’m glad I’ve been proven wrong, and I can assume those thoughts were my own paranoia sneaking in again. I would have said that via e-mail, rather than posting it to the group, but my proxy server is screwed up at the moment, and I can’t access my web based mail, only the account and newsgroups I have set up through Outlook Express. Thanks again, Kylie.

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CAREFUL WITH THE VALIUM. It is a muscle relaxant. And your Heart is a MUSCLE. I do hope you find something to help you get some sleep. Have you tried Ambien or Deseryl? I flip and flop like a fish out of water at times when i try to sleep at night, i have been meaning to go to a sleep clinic. If you constantly wake up, you will never get into your REM stage of sleep and you will feel tired all of the time. I hope that you are doing better. Sincerely, Trish

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It sure sounds like you’ve been through an unbelievable amount of shit. I can’t even imagine.

Yep, an "unbelievable amount of shit" sums it up pretty well, although there are others here who have been through worse. I’ve been diagnosed for about 14 months now, and on meds for about 8 months, yet nothing has made any difference. I’m now failing out of uni because I can’t function properly, and I’m just trying to hang in there until my psychiatrist finds a medication that works for me. He does believe I will respond to an SSRI, but since there’s a hell of a lot of them it could take a while to find the right one. I have depression and have been "lucky" – I found a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – great shrink many years ago who knew what she was doing about medication and put me on Parnate, which I have been taking for almost 10 years. I also have seen her on a regular basis for psychotherapy. It sound horrible that you had to experience these kind of side effects on your medication. A competent doctor should work with you to find the best medicine for you which does not have those kind of effects. There are so many medications available now – for me, I only got real help when I went to a shrink who was trained in psychopharmocology. It was a great combination – she knew everything about the medicines and was a great psychotherapist. There are a lot of people out there like that. Maybe you could find a better shrink/therapist who would work more closely with you to get the right meds which don’t fuck up your body. Good luck.

I’m not considering changing therapists or psychiatrists yet, because I have a great relationship with my therp, and my pdoc’s specialty is abuse and trauma survivors, which is what I need, and he is nice. I will admit that the side-effects are a total pain in the arse, but hopefully I will find a good med soon which will work, so I don’t have to keep getting used to new meds and adjusting to new effects. Thanks for caring, and I’ll definitely keep what you’ve said about changing therps or pdocs if I don’t start making some progress soon. Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg. Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb. I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do. I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks. I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it. I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go. I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick. I only spoke to the receptionist. I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep. Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. It still hasn’t worked. I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours. So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep. But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works. And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment. Sorry for not posting lately. There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone. I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website: http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. i’ve missed you. sorry, i should have said something. i’m glad you posted though, and i’m sorry things are not better for you right now. keep hangin on, kylie.

Thanks. I didn’t think anyone had noticed I was gone. I was hoping someone would care and post an MIA or something, but I needed to talk so I decided that my pride isn’t that important after all, and I should do what’s right for me, which is posting when I need to. I’m still hanging on, even though it’s really tough some days. I keep going because of the slight hope that things will get better, so I’m clinging to that as tight as I can. {{{{{{kylie}}}}}}

Thanks Right back at ya. Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — "there is a sadness that grows up around me like a weed" (ani) http://shattering.org x-no-archive: yes in the headers —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my hugs to you too! Sfunny.. I was just thinking I hadn’t seen you for a while in asd… glad to see that you are okayish….

Thanks. I didn’t think people would notice that I was gone. I know how you feel about tiredness… I’m on 225mg daily of effexor, and i constantly feel very tired….. I sleep ok, but i wake at 7am every day (((

I understand. Last year, I had problems falling asleep. Now, I can fall asleep fairly quickly, but I just can’t stay asleep. It’s become normal for me to wake up every 2 or 3 hours for no reason at all. have you tried herbal sleeping pills??? They may mess up with your meds…. Not getting enough sleep is annoying….

My boyfriend gave me some herbal pills called Valerian which sometimes work, and they don’t seem to interfere with my meds, but the instructions say take 3-6 tablets at night to improve sleep, and it takes the full 6 to have any effect at all for me, so I’m going through the bottle very quickly, and they’re expensive. Unfortunatly I’m on a limited budget, so that has to be a consideration. Have you mentioned your sleeping problems to your GP/therapist???

Heaps of times. They keep telling me the antidepressants or the valium will work, but since it’s becoming more and more obvious that they aren’t, hopefully they’ll decide to try something else. Don’t worry for posting for selfish reasons…. you have helped us loads of times in the past, so it’s time that we helped you….

I suppose…..It still feels like I’m being selfish though. Take care of yourself you hear???

I hear, and I’m trying. Brian… Pooh… Something stinks in my room…. Better get the hoover out!!!

hehehehe Thanks Brian, Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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Thanks Trish. I know it was stupid to take that much Valium. The only good thing was that I spaced the pills out through the night, rather than taking double my maximum dose all at once. I’m just willing to try anything if it means I’ll get a good nights sleep, and not constantly feel exhausted. I had no other intentions. I’m feeling a little bit better at the moment, but I hope stress doesn’t kick in too badly with my exams approaching, because I know how much that effects me. I’m just hanging in there and hoping that my pdoc will have some new suggestions when I see him next week. Again, thanks for your concern. I know it was a mistake, and I won’t experiment with my valium doseage again. Kylie.

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I also have been having weird and bad dreams again.

Are you sharing all your dreams with Terry? Is he interested, or bored? If he is bored, you could tell me instead. I could be your new husband for that purpose, until Jun.05 anyway.

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<<I can’t access my web based mail, only the account and newsgroups I have set up through Outlook Express. Did you get the e-mail I sent you on May.05&06?

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<<I can fall asleep fairly quickly, but I just can’t stay asleep. It’s become normal for me to wake up every 2 or 3 hours for no reason at all. I’m that way normally. If it’s dark at night, I fall back to sleep each time, but if I go to bed really late at night, then when it’s already morning light and I wake up I can’t get back to sleep. By the way, it’s 3AM now, which means I am going to get only 2.5 hours sleep before first light wakes me up and I can’t get back to sleep, shit!

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little mouse said: <<I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me. Last Fall we were exchanging e-mail. I was encouraging you to say ‘hi’ to people etc. to overcome shyness. Apparently my advice worked, because you met your sweetheart ‘Leigh’ and ended your virginity with him. But when I e-mailed you a few weeks ago because you were hurting so bad and I wanted to help you, you ignored my e-mail, never replied. What’s wrong with you? <<Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. Oh, that’s so sad. I was so happy for you when you found Leigh. Leigh, if you are reading this, when she’s depressed DON’T fight with her, just hold her in your arms and let her know you love her, and ignore anything she says that seems to come from her depression. Don’t let her bad mood sucker you into a fight with her. Just give her the love she deserves, and which I know you want to give her but she resists it. Give it anyway, even if she says no sometimes. Let her know you love her in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, unconditionally. If you don’t actually love her like that, send me private e-mail so we can discuss it without her eavesdropping on it (remove my "shell." to get correct address). <<He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. Leigh, she can’t come to your place, she’s too emotionally low. You need to go to her place and stay with her. When she feels better THEN she can come to your place again. Don’t get angry at her for being lazy at times like this, you hear?? I cared about her before you even met her, and I still care about her, and I’m not going to let you treat her bad in her time of need. <<I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. No, don’t do that! He loves you and wants to help you. Don’t turn him away. He’ll be hurt more by not being allowed to be with you and help you, and worry if you’ll commit suicide while he’s gone, than any trivial hurt from something that "hurts" him. Please don’t turn him away if he wants to help you get through this. Please don’t worry about saying something to hurt him. Please listen to my advice. <<There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Back to shy like you were last Summer? I got that way myself from August to early April, due to depression caused by SweetPest’s ending our friendship and nobody else in Real Life ever wanting me. So I understand. But if you let Leigh be with you almost all the time, and let him hug and kiss you many hours per day, you won’t get so depressed as I was totally alone with not a single person ever calling or visiting to check if I was alive much less feeling OK. <<Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. That’s fine with me. You need help right now. My help is yours.

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg. Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb. I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do. I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks. I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it. I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go. I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick. I only spoke to the receptionist. I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep. Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. It still hasn’t worked. I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours. So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep. But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works. And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment. Sorry for not posting lately. There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone. I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website: http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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It sure sounds like you’ve been through an unbelievable amount of shit. I can’t even imagine. I have depression and have been "lucky" – I found a great shrink many years ago who knew what she was doing about medication and put me on Parnate, which I have been taking for almost 10 years. I also have seen her on a regular basis for psychotherapy. It sound horrible that you had to experience these kind of side effects on your medication. A competent doctor should work with you to find the best medicine for you which does not have those kind of effects. There are so many medications available now – for me, I only got real help when I went to a shrink who was trained in psychopharmocology. It was a great combination – she knew everything about the medicines and was a great psychotherapist. There are a lot of people out there like that. Maybe you could find a better shrink/therapist who would work more closely with you to get the right meds which don’t fuck up your body. Good luck.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though. I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg. Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb. I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do. I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him. I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks. I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it. I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go. I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick. I only spoke to the receptionist. I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep. Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly. I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired. It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night. I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. It still hasn’t worked. I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours. So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep. But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works. And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment. Sorry for not posting lately. There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone. I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website: http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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The antidepressant venlafaxine (Effexor) is similar in its pharmacology to Meridia, yet it isn’t scheduled. The antidepressant bupropion Wellbutrin) is arguably more of a "stimulant" than sibutramine, yet isn’t scheduled. (I’m not arguing that either *should* be, of course.) Both butorphanol (Stadol) and tramadol (Ultram) are so-called "non-narcotic" analgesics which can cause dependence and abuse, yet they aren’t scheduled. It’s clear that an indication of obesity is enough of a bogeyman to the DEA that they’ll schedule first and worry about it later.

It was clear to Knoll that obesity was enough of a bogeyman. I spoke to some of their folks just before the press conference announcing the market date. They knew they couldn’t fight the Schedule 4 classification. If they could have, it would have been much easier to market. For one thing, they could have given physicians samples. This is a no-no in scheduled drugs. Barbara Barbara Hirsch, Publisher Obesity Meds and Research News OMR Web Site: http://www.obesity-news.com

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Perhaps once enough experience is gained with it, it will be removed from the DEA Schedules.

Has anything ever been unscheduled? I recall a bunch of unscheduled going scheduled (clonipin, soma, etc), but none going the other way. — dc potts biologist at large (pull the nospam out of my email address to respond)

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Do you have any idea why Meridia is scheduled? It isn’t addictive, is it?

There’s no evidence that sibutramine has any abuse potential, but the fact that it is psychoactive and that it has (in some individuals) somewhat of a stimulating action AND that it is prescribed for obesity, was enough for the DEA to classify it as C-IV. Their thinking is obviously to be as careful and restrictive as possible at the drug’s introduction, rather than risk the possibility of releasing a drug unscheduled, only to find that it has a degree of abuse potential. Perhaps once enough experience is gained with it, it will be removed from the DEA Schedules. The antidepressant venlafaxine (Effexor) is similar in its pharmacology to Meridia, yet it isn’t scheduled. The antidepressant bupropion Wellbutrin) is arguably more of a "stimulant" than sibutramine, yet isn’t scheduled. (I’m not arguing that either *should* be, of course.) Both butorphanol (Stadol) and tramadol (Ultram) are so-called "non-narcotic" analgesics which can cause dependence and abuse, yet they aren’t scheduled. It’s clear that an indication of obesity is enough of a bogeyman to the DEA that they’ll schedule first and worry about it later. — Steve Dyer

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Now the DEA isn’t going to know whether a doctor sees the patient or not by the prescription, but if a doctor is prescribing huge amounts of a drug, that could trigger an investigation. Then if the DEA investigates and finds irregularities in records, the doctor has a problem.

Wow. I wish we could get rid of this whole stupid prescription system. Vigara is not scheduled, but Meridia is (not that it should be, but that’s another post).

Stupid inconsistencies like this are one reason. What’s the big deal about going to a doctor a couple of times a year and getting a prescription? That’s what I do.

Why should we have to? Why should I have to ask someone else, and pay them, for permission to put something into my own body? And the people who make the laws that dictate what I can and cannot take often have no more medical knowledge than what I scoop out of the cat box. J — Tonight we’re going to party like it’s 1899. Remove the X to email me.

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Vigara is not scheduled, but Meridia is (not that it should be, but that’s another post). I wondered why I see Viagra offered everywhere, and not Meridia. That explains it. Do you have any idea why Meridia is scheduled? It isn’t addictive, is it?

Another reason you don’t see Meridia everywhere is that it’s expensive, and not a very effective drug. It’s scheduled, because there is no anorectic drug with any CNS stimulating qualities at all which the FDA will approve without scheduling it. Meridia isn’t that different than Effexor and Wellbutrin which aren’t scheduled. Per Glen Rickards’ post, Meridia isn’t all that similar to fenflruamine. Fen both releases and inhibits the reuptake of serotonin, Meridia is just a serotonin uptake inhibitor. It also works on norepinephrine. Barbara Barbara Hirsch, Publisher Obesity Meds and Research News OMR Web Site: http://www.obesity-news.com

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I have heard, but have not independently verified, that Meridia is chemically similar to fenfluramine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Vigara is not scheduled, but Meridia is (not that it should be, but that’s another post). I wondered why I see Viagra offered everywhere, and not Meridia. That explains it. Do you have any idea why Meridia is scheduled? It isn’t addictive, is it? AB

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Vigara is not scheduled, but Meridia is (not that it should be, but that’s another post).

I wondered why I see Viagra offered everywhere, and not Meridia. That explains it. Do you have any idea why Meridia is scheduled? It isn’t addictive, is it? AB

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Yes, that is exactly what I am looking for. Meridia totally online. Viagra is available through www.Focus-Medical.com

It is not wise to get medications without an exam (especially the first time), and it is questionable whether it is legal. Very few doctors would be willing to prescribe schedule 4 drugs without seeing patients first, since the physician must submit his DEA identification number with each prescription. If the DEA sees irregularities it can rip the license. Now the DEA isn’t going to know whether a doctor sees the patient or not by the prescription, but if a doctor is prescribing huge amounts of a drug, that could trigger an investigation. Then if the DEA investigates and finds irregularities in records, the doctor has a problem. Vigara is not scheduled, but Meridia is (not that it should be, but that’s another post). The only doctor I’m aware of who ever prescribed drugs on-line is now undergoing a DEA investigation after a raid on his office last year. And he doesn’t prescribe Meridia anyway. Most states have regulations allowing doctors to prescribe without seeing a patient, but the intent of the law is so that a physician can prescribe something to an existing patient who for one reason or another cannot come into the office. The intent of the law is not for doctors to become "drug stores", for writing a prescription for a fee. My guess is that states will begin clarifying their laws, and the DEA case mentioned above will probably bring some direction as well. What’s the big deal about going to a doctor a couple of times a year and getting a prescription? That’s what I do. I’ve been taking phentermine for over two years, so there probably wouldn’t be any danger if my doctor didn’t see me. But I still think it’s worth it to get checked out once in a while. Barbara Barbara Hirsch, Publisher Obesity Meds and Research News OMR Web Site: http://www.obesity-news.com

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Yes, that is exactly what I am looking for. Meridia totally online. Viagra is available through www.Focus-Medical.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think what they are looking for is a doctor that will give them a script after a phone consulation. I saw a news story on people getting viagra this way, they find these places on the net, they call and talk to a doc, or maybe they call you, ask you a few questions and then give you a ’script. without ever seeing a doc in person. and it’s all perfectly legal. Tricia C. 322/276/159 (new scale –adjusted numbers) 46 lbs lost on Atkins since May 26, 1998 <<I am looking for an online source for a prescription and fill for Meridia. I have been told that Viagra is available online with a Doctors consultation and a prescription. I am looking for the same service for Meridia. Thanks **Well..if you had a doctors consultation..wouldnt you have a doctors perscription..??** Just Me, Lisa. "I’m not fat..I’m big boned!" -Eric Cartman- *SouthPark* PCOS the silent Disease << http://www.pcosupport.org

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I think what they are looking for is a doctor that will give them a script after a phone consulation. I saw a news story on people getting viagra this way, they find these places on the net, they call and talk to a doc, or maybe they call you, ask you a few questions and then give you a ’script. without ever seeing a doc in person. and it’s all perfectly legal. Tricia C. 322/276/159 (new scale –adjusted numbers) 46 lbs lost on Atkins since May 26, 1998 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<I am looking for an online source for a prescription and fill for Meridia. I have been told that Viagra is available online with a Doctors consultation and a prescription. I am looking for the same service for Meridia. Thanks **Well..if you had a doctors consultation..wouldnt you have a doctors perscription..??** Just Me, Lisa. "I’m not fat..I’m big boned!" -Eric Cartman- *SouthPark* PCOS the silent Disease << http://www.pcosupport.org

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<<I am looking for an online source for a prescription and fill for Meridia. I have been told that Viagra is available online with a Doctors consultation and a prescription. I am looking for the same service for Meridia. Thanks **Well..if you had a doctors consultation..wouldnt you have a doctors perscription..??** Just Me, Lisa. "I’m not fat..I’m big boned!" -Eric Cartman- *SouthPark* PCOS the silent Disease << http://www.pcosupport.org

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I am looking for an online source for a prescription and fill for Meridia. I have been told that Viagra is available online with a Doctors consultation and a prescription. I am looking for the same service for Meridia. Thanks

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A couple of corrections, here. In two states, Wellbutrin (bupropion), in its regular release form (not SR or the Zyban formulation), IS scheduled, the equiavlent of Schedule IV (Utah & Washington states). The reason Ultram & Stadol aren’t scheduled because the formulations have such strong narcotic antagonist properties (give either to an opiate/opioid addict and watch them go into withdrawal). Basically, Meridia is schedule IV for the same reason Redux was — because somewhere someone mentioned that these drugs are essentially amphetamine deriviatives, and the FDA/DEA has it’s standard reaction – over-regulation. Of course, if you look at the federal schedules, you’ll see a much stronger trend toward controlling stimulants that depressants (Morphine notwithstanding). I mean we’ve got drugs like Valium at Schedule IV, but a useful stimulant like phentermine at schedule III. Typical. I think most of this will become academic in the next five years as the newer anti-obsesity drugs come out that have absolutely no relationship to stimulants or any stimulant activity. Zenical, and it’s close relatives merely change the way fat is processed in the body, so hopefully access to these drugs won’t be limited by unnecessary regulation. — Rob Bowling, PharmD (and Meridia patient)

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Well, sibutramine is not particularly chemically similar to fenfluramine. — Steve Dyer

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I had written that I had seen a report indicating CHEMICAL similarity between fen and Meridia. You appear to be talking about differences in the pharmacological effect. Chemical similarity doesn’t always imply identical pharmacology, but rather, relates to the structure and composition of the molecule. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Per Glen Rickards’ post, Meridia isn’t all that similar to fenflruamine. Fen both releases and inhibits the reuptake of serotonin, Meridia is just a serotonin uptake inhibitor. It also works on norepinephrine. Barbara Barbara Hirsch, Publisher Obesity Meds and Research News OMR Web Site: http://www.obesity-news.com

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What does psychoactive mean, exactly? When I hear the word I think of LSD, or similar drugs, but it must have a broader definition. AB

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Just a couple of corrections to your corrections Stadol IS scheduled (C-IV). That’s correct. But this is relatively recent, so I can be excused for having old information. In fact, my original comments which this guy tried to correct were made a while ago; I didn’t see his article in the newsgroup. Speaking of Stadol, the mixed agonist/antagonist dezocine (Dalgan) is not scheduled at all, and it is the most morphine-like (highest mu-opioid activity) of any of the mixed agonist-antagonists. Dezocine makes Stadol look like Tylenol. Stadol would never have been scheduled if it hadn’t been made available in a non-injected dosage form (nasal spray) which caused it to be prescribed more widely than it had been been in the previous 15 years. Mixed agonist/antagonists which must be injected are almost by definition rarely misused, because they’re infrequently found outside hospitals, and the population of outpatients prescribed them is very small. There’s nothing like lack of use to promote lack of abuse. I’m sure that dezocine follows this same pattern. In fact, the whole idea of a mixed agonist/antagonist being less abusable than, say, codeine, a C-II drug, is a thoroughly discredited 1960’s-era notion. But it lives on in the current DEA schedules (only recently has this caught up to Stadol, but only after hoardes of formerly respectable people prescribed the drug started to like it a bit too much.) The scheduling of Meridia, which has absolutely no abuse potential (or IMO any effect at all, for that matter) is really hysterical, especially in light of the fact that it’s pharmacodynamically identical to venlafaxine. Which shows you just how much the DEA cares about pharmacology. What amazes me is how little is understood about bupropion’s mechanism even after years of research. Yup. And I’m astonished that any state would think of placing it under any controls at all. It really doesn’t have any abuse potential. Since this is a weight loss med newsgroup, it’s probably worth pointing out that bupropion causes anorexia and weight loss in a pretty high percentage of subjects. It’s actually vastly superior to sibutramine or venlafaxine in this regard. I’ve tried it, and really didn’t notice any anorectic effect worth getting excited over. The ones who lose their appetite on bupropion are usually 95 lb. grandmothers, not those of us who would benefit from such an effect! BTW, Ultram is not an antagonist. Both tramadol and its primary metabolite are pure, albeit weak, agonists. Correct. This guy is a Pharm. D.? — Steve Dyer

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Since this is a weight loss med newsgroup, it’s probably worth pointing out that bupropion causes anorexia and weight loss in a pretty high percentage of subjects. It’s actually vastly superior to sibutramine or venlafaxine in this regard.

Hmmm, that would explain why I didn’t have the urge to stuff my face when I was using Zyban to quit smoking. In fact, some folks I know even lost weight while quitting smoking on Zyban. Of course, once I went off of it, my weight started going up rapidly … — KC 196/189 (again)/135 Eating smarter since 8/8/98 — exercising since 9/15/98 (reduced calorie/reduced fat/increased protein/low-glycemic/high-fiber/vegetarian WOE)

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The scheduling of Meridia, which has absolutely no abuse potential (or IMO any effect at all, for that matter) is really hysterical, especially in light of the fact that it’s pharmacodynamically identical to venlafaxine.

A few people have commented on their weight loss success using Effexor. Does the above statement indicate that someone who’s tried Meridia and not seen any effect would not benefit from Effexor either?

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Just a couple of corrections to your corrections Stadol IS scheduled (C-IV). Phentermine is C-IV, not C-III. C-III anorexiants include phendimetrazine and benzphetamine, which are rarely prescribed. Both are more effective than phentermine. Speaking of Stadol, the mixed agonist/antagonist dezocine (Dalgan) is not scheduled at all, and it is the most morphine-like (highest mu-opioid activity) of any of the mixed agonist-antagonists. Dezocine makes Stadol look like Tylenol. The scheduling of Meridia, which has absolutely no abuse potential (or IMO any effect at all, for that matter) is really hysterical, especially in light of the fact that it’s pharmacodynamically identical to venlafaxine. With respect to bupropion (Wellbutrin), even though animal models intended to screen for "abusability" (self-administration, drug discrimination, etc.) show that it has this property, in humans, it doesn’t seem to have that effect. In blind studies comparing 30 mg d-amphetamine, 200 mg bupropion (immediate release), and placebo, experienced stimulant abusers could not distinguish bupropion from placebo, while they reliably picked d-amphetamine every time. The structural similarity to diethylpropion is well known, but bupropion apparently does not provoke transmitter release as amphetamine analogs generally do. What amazes me is how little is understood about bupropion’s mechanism even after years of research. Since this is a weight loss med newsgroup, it’s probably worth pointing out that bupropion causes anorexia and weight loss in a pretty high percentage of subjects. It’s actually vastly superior to sibutramine or venlafaxine in this regard. BTW, Ultram is not an antagonist. Both tramadol and its primary metabolite are pure, albeit weak, agonists.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The antidepressant venlafaxine (Effexor) is similar in its pharmacology to Meridia, yet it isn’t scheduled. The antidepressant bupropion Wellbutrin) is arguably more of a "stimulant" than sibutramine, yet isn’t scheduled. (I’m not arguing that either *should* be, of course.) Both butorphanol (Stadol) and tramadol (Ultram) are so-called "non-narcotic" analgesics which can cause dependence and abuse, yet they aren’t scheduled. It’s clear that an indication of obesity is enough of a bogeyman to the DEA that they’ll schedule first and worry about it later. A couple of corrections, here. In two states, Wellbutrin (bupropion), in its regular release form (not SR or the Zyban formulation), IS scheduled, the equiavlent of Schedule IV (Utah & Washington states). The reason Ultram & Stadol aren’t scheduled because the formulations have such strong narcotic antagonist properties (give either to an opiate/opioid addict and watch them go into withdrawal). Basically, Meridia is schedule IV for the same reason Redux was — because somewhere someone mentioned that these drugs are essentially amphetamine deriviatives, and the FDA/DEA has it’s standard reaction – over-regulation. Of course, if you look at the federal schedules, you’ll see a much stronger trend toward controlling stimulants that depressants (Morphine notwithstanding). I mean we’ve got drugs like Valium at Schedule IV, but a useful stimulant like phentermine at schedule III. Typical. I think most of this will become academic in the next five years as the newer anti-obsesity drugs come out that have absolutely no relationship to stimulants or any stimulant activity. Zenical, and it’s close relatives merely change the way fat is processed in the body, so hopefully access to these drugs won’t be limited by unnecessary regulation. — Rob Bowling, PharmD (and Meridia patient)

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