Get to your doctor and get started on any number of presriptions by Dec/Jan if your allergies flare up in Feb/Mar. I’ve had similar issues without outdoor exercise,
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I had similar problems, especially when I lived in the midwest. It got so bad that I couldn’t run more than a quarter mile before I had the equivalent of an Asthma attack. OTC medicine like Clor-Trimeton worked pretty well for me. When that didn’t do the trick, I stepped up to Claritin. Recently, I was training for the Ironman, and had similar issues develop. The doctor presribed Flovent (very expensive, very effective). I’d be careful about taking prednisone, though. The stuff effects different people different ways. I had a serious battle with Poison oak about 6 months ago, where that was prescribed. Though I didn’t think this was possible, I averaged 3 hours of sleep a night for three weeks. The stuff had me amped like I’d never been amped before. I recall doing 8 mile runs at 3 in the morning, slightly above what is usually my lactate threshold, and not even being tired afterward. It is a banned substance for racing, however, so if you want to feel a drug-free sense of accomplishment, I’d steer clear. Zac
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. Started training for my first marathon in May. Slated to run it in January. Am really starting to get into it. I’m dreading one thing, though. I have all intentions of continuing to run year round, but in Feb/Mar, I always come down with the crummiest allergic reaction to oak pollen, which is everywhere in my home of Central Florida during spring. It’s not so much the normal itchy and runny nose and eyes I’m worried about; it’s more the chest-cold-type symptoms I get when I’m breathing hard for extended periods during that time. Any advice? I’d hate to have to do the treadmill thing for a month or six weeks. Thanks.
Hi. Started training for my first marathon in May. Slated to run it in January. Am really starting to get into it. I’m dreading one thing, though. I have all intentions of continuing to run year round, but in Feb/Mar, I always come down with the crummiest allergic reaction to oak pollen, which is everywhere in my home of Central Florida during spring. It’s not so much the normal itchy and runny nose and eyes I’m worried about; it’s more the chest-cold-type symptoms I get when I’m breathing hard for extended periods during that time. Any advice? I’d hate to have to do the treadmill thing for a month or six weeks. Thanks.
Get to your doctor and get started on any number of presriptions by Dec/Jan if your allergies flare up in Feb/Mar. I’ve had similar issues without outdoor exercise, and have finally gotten them under control by a combined regimen of nasal inhalers (Rhinocort), mouth inhalers (Flovent) and, as needed, something like Allegra. You can absolutely diminish or avoid these symptoms altogether, but you’ve got to start taking the stuff early on to let it build up and do its work. There are, of course, some reasons to be concerned about long-term inhaled steroid use, but you should talk these through with your doctor. Good luck! — Shalom, Peace, Salaam George Grattan
it’s more the chest-cold-type symptoms I get when I’m breathing hard for extended periods during that time. Any advice?
Been there, done that. My doctor gives me prescriptions for: (1) an Albuterol inhaler; and (2) Prednisone tablets. Also, sometimes Guaifenesin, either presecription as "Guaifenesin LA" or non-prescription as Robitussin (NOT "DM"). I must warn you, though, that you will lose weight with the Albuterol inhaler, as it ups your heart rate and gives your hands a sometimes irritating tremor. these 3 things will prevent a respiratory fluid build-up by helping you cough it out as it develops. Good luck. You CAN run through this; I do. Remember that coughing is your friend, not your enemy, when you have this condition. –KLM
Hi. Started training for my first marathon in May. Slated to run it in January. Am really starting to get into it. I’m dreading one thing, though. I have all intentions of continuing to run year round, but in Feb/Mar, I always come down with the crummiest allergic reaction to oak pollen, which is everywhere in my home of Central Florida during spring. It’s not so much the normal itchy and runny nose and eyes I’m worried about; it’s more the chest-cold-type symptoms I get when I’m breathing hard for extended periods during that time. Any advice? I’d hate to have to do the treadmill thing for a month or six weeks. Thanks.
i did literature search using Medline this afternoon, in between the patients ! But i did not find any article on "flovent and acne" or "flovent and rash" or "flovent and skin" good luck with aerobid. yatin j patel md http://md4lungs.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –WebTV-Mail-24826-3781 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Thanks for your response. My doctor put me on Aerobid about two weeks ago. So far I seem to be doing alright on it. Then again, I have been on an antibiotic, as well as O2. I finish it tonight. We shall see. However, I still have the red bumps. Perhaps they will clear up with time. I must tell you that I have COPD. Scaring on my left lung since childhood,bronchitis, and asthma. I became sick four years ago. Had to be hospitalized for a week, and was sent home with the O2. I was on it for about two months. Had to go back on two weeks ago. I checked out your website. I will be visiting often. We all use the same treatments and medications. –WebTV-Mail-24826-3781 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit <html<clock</clock</html –WebTV-Mail-24826-3781–
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Thanks for your response. My doctor put me on Aerobid about two weeks ago. So far I seem to be doing alright on it. Then again, I have been on an antibiotic, as well as O2. I finish it tonight. We shall see. However, I still have the red bumps. Perhaps they will clear up with time. I must tell you that I have COPD. Scaring on my left lung since childhood,bronchitis, and asthma. I became sick four years ago. Had to be hospitalized for a week, and was sent home with the O2. I was on it for about two months. Had to go back on two weeks ago. I checked out your website. I will be visiting often. We all use the same treatments and medications.
have you tried other steroid inhalers like aerobid or pulmicort? yatin j patel md – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –WebTV-Mail-14553-2611 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I do use a spacer. I do not have red bumps around my mouth, I have acne on my face, (not around my mouth) and red bumps on my arms and legs. When I am on this medication for very long periods my neck also turns red. When it first happened my pulmonary doctor sent me to a dermatologist, he said it was from sun and weather. When I went off it I cleared up. I know this is going to sound crazy, but when I first go off Flovent I can breathe better. Unfortunately I have to go back on it. I would like to know if any one using inhaled steroids has been diagnosed with hypohyroidism. I was diagnosed with it about six months after starting Flovent. It may or may not be a factor, but I can’t see inhaling anything can be good for my thyroid. My doc says no. After all they know best. If I sound fed up, it’s because I am. They just don’t listen. I’m scared. Any ideas? Thanks….. –WebTV-Mail-14553-2611 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit <html<clock</clock</html –WebTV-Mail-14553-2611–
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I’m also very, very fair-skinned. Blonde hair, lashes, brows. I have never had zits, but I did have "follicle infections" due to a hormone imbalance … but that was 25 years ago! My doctor at that time told me to wash my face, rubbing the sores til they bled, and then apply Polysporin ointment. Even with the ointment, it took a month or more for each sore to heal. Birth control pills helped the hormone problem and the sores (of course, if you’re male…. ignore this advice). This time it’s not hormones. I do use a spacer. I got desperate over the weekend and I used Victoria Principal’s blemish buster on each sore. They’re about 50% improved overnight. I’m also overweight, but I blame that on developing asthma 2 years ago and not being able to exercise as often as I want/need. I thought about seeing a dermatologist, but what’s the use of being on tetracycline when I’m still on Flovent? I’m on a 4-week tapering program. My allergist wants me off Servent BEFORE going off Flovent. So next week I stop the Serevent, and then 2 weeks later (if I survive), I try going off Flovent … no inhalers. But I’m on a double-dose of Claritin (2 a day). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have been lurking for months, afraid to post. Your post on Flovent prompted me to take the plunge. I have had the same problem. Was on Flovent for three years. Have had acne, and small red raised bumps on my legs and arms. Every time I go off the Flovent I clear up. My pulmonary doctor changed me to another steroid, Aerobid. However, I am afraid it is not any better. I hate the steroids. I am 40lbs. over my normal weight. I don’t even recognize myself. I was also told it was non-related. I have very fair skin, this may have something to do with it. I feel some doctors are not educated on the side affects of some of these drugs. That’s why we have to educate ourselves. Just wanted you to know you are not alone.
Hello, I am so glad you posted. This is a support newsgroup…please don’t be afraid to be involved. I will admit it gets pretty intense at times, but most folks here are in the same boat. We have asthma and we use this newsgroup as a method to exchange information and to share experiences, plus gain some support if we happen to be having a hard time with our illness or meds. There is no one person here that has all the answers, but all are willing to try and help. Glad to see you here! I also gained weight after starting meds….I don’t know why. I have always been a thin kind of girl, but not now. :o( I work out whenever I have the breath and do pretty well most times. To me it’s a real battle and hits in the old self esteem area pretty hard. I just keep doing the best I can. Take care, Patrice
Hi, I have been lurking for months, afraid to post. Your post on Flovent prompted me to take the plunge. I have had the same problem. Was on Flovent for three years. Have had acne, and small red raised bumps on my legs and arms. Every time I go off the Flovent I clear up. My pulmonary doctor changed me to another steroid, Aerobid. However, I am afraid it is not any better. I hate the steroids. I am 40lbs. over my normal weight. I don’t even recognize myself. I was also told it was non-related. I have very fair skin, this may have something to do with it. I feel some doctors are not educated on the side affects of some of these drugs. That’s why we have to educate ourselves. Just wanted you to know you are not alone.
I do use a spacer. I do not have red bumps around my mouth, I have acne on my face, (not around my mouth) and red bumps on my arms and legs. When I am on this medication for very long periods my neck also turns red. When it first happened my pulmonary doctor sent me to a dermatologist, he said it was from sun and weather. When I went off it I cleared up. I know this is going to sound crazy, but when I first go off Flovent I can breathe better. Unfortunately I have to go back on it. I would like to know if any one using inhaled steroids has been diagnosed with hypohyroidism. I was diagnosed with it about six months after starting Flovent. It may or may not be a factor, but I can’t see inhaling anything can be good for my thyroid. My doc says no. After all they know best. If I sound fed up, it’s because I am. They just don’t listen. I’m scared. Any ideas? Thanks…..
Hi, I have been lurking for months, afraid to post. Your post on Flovent prompted me to take the plunge. I have had the same problem. Was on Flovent for three years. Have had acne, and small red raised bumps on my legs and arms. Every time I go off the Flovent I clear up. My pulmonary doctor changed me to another steroid, Aerobid. However, I am afraid it is not any better. I hate the steroids. I am 40lbs. over my normal weight. I don’t even recognize myself. I was also told it was non-related. I have very fair skin, this may have something to do with it. I feel some doctors are not educated on the side affects of some of these drugs. That’s why we have to educate ourselves. Just wanted you to know you are not alone.
Using flovent inhaler without a spacer would increase the oral deposition of the medicine. This may predispose one to those bumps on the skin around the lips. In article Nope, not on prednisone, and I don’t have a history of acne. In fact, I’ve always been complimented on my porcelain skin. That’s why this is a horrific experience for me. are you on prednisone also? because i take flovent and serevent, and only get the redness and welts when i’m on the prednisone also…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a history of acne? PErhaps you have developed it and it is totally unrelated to the asthma. Two doctors tell me that the dozens of pimples/sores on my face are not related to Flovent, yet the Flovent insert mentions follicle infections as a rare side effect. It cleared up when I was on antibiotics for a sinus infection but it came right back. I went off Flovent for 2 weeks and saw minor improvement, but my asthma doc said I could not be on Serevent without being on Flovent, so I had to go back on Flovent. He wants me to wean off both eventually, if possible. In the meantime, I’m using an antibiotic ointment called MetroGel on my face, but it only controls the severity of the welts; it doesn’t make it go away. Anybody have a similar experience? Any hope?
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are you on prednisone also? because i take flovent and serevent, and only get the redness and welts when i’m on the prednisone also…
Nope, not on prednisone, and I don’t have a history of acne. In fact, I’ve always been complimented on my porcelain skin. That’s why this is a horrific experience for me. are you on prednisone also? because i take flovent and serevent, and only get the redness and welts when i’m on the prednisone also… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Do you have a history of acne? PErhaps you have developed it and it is totally unrelated to the asthma. Two doctors tell me that the dozens of pimples/sores on my face are not related to Flovent, yet the Flovent insert mentions follicle infections as a rare side effect. It cleared up when I was on antibiotics for a sinus infection but it came right back. I went off Flovent for 2 weeks and saw minor improvement, but my asthma doc said I could not be on Serevent without being on Flovent, so I had to go back on Flovent. He wants me to wean off both eventually, if possible. In the meantime, I’m using an antibiotic ointment called MetroGel on my face, but it only controls the severity of the welts; it doesn’t make it go away. Anybody have a similar experience? Any hope?
Do you have a history of acne? PErhaps you have developed it and it is totally unrelated to the asthma. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two doctors tell me that the dozens of pimples/sores on my face are not related to Flovent, yet the Flovent insert mentions follicle infections as a rare side effect. It cleared up when I was on antibiotics for a sinus infection but it came right back. I went off Flovent for 2 weeks and saw minor improvement, but my asthma doc said I could not be on Serevent without being on Flovent, so I had to go back on Flovent. He wants me to wean off both eventually, if possible. In the meantime, I’m using an antibiotic ointment called MetroGel on my face, but it only controls the severity of the welts; it doesn’t make it go away. Anybody have a similar experience? Any hope?
Two doctors tell me that the dozens of pimples/sores on my face are not related to Flovent, yet the Flovent insert mentions follicle infections as a rare side effect. It cleared up when I was on antibiotics for a sinus infection but it came right back. I went off Flovent for 2 weeks and saw minor improvement, but my asthma doc said I could not be on Serevent without being on Flovent, so I had to go back on Flovent. He wants me to wean off both eventually, if possible. In the meantime, I’m using an antibiotic ointment called MetroGel on my face, but it only controls the severity of the welts; it doesn’t make it go away. Anybody have a similar experience? Any hope?
Hi. I am female, and have had severe asthma for 30yrs. I am looking to connect with anyone who has had severe asthma (frequent hospital emergency visits, multiple daily steroid and flovent use) and has found any tangible means, other than flovent and steroid use, to lessen its severity. I know my triggers well, and controlling them has minimal effect-I can’t live in a bubble. Does someone have a personal victory to share? Thanks, S
Hiya – Im 32, and Im presently disabled for asthma, but I am to the point now (after 3 years) where I can have a life, and going out the door doesnt mean Im going to have an attack. I take Proventil inhaler, albuterol + Atrovent in the neb, flovent, serevent, prednisone 15mg, claritin and prilosec. It took a LONG time for the Flovent and Serevent combo to get me down to 15mgs on the prednisone. At one point I was up to 60/day. Right before I went on disability I was going to the ER at least once a week, it was awful. The first year on disability was really pretty bad too. But little by little I have gotten better. Could I go back to work? I’m not sure, especially since I was a chef. Plus, who would hire me with my history? I can tell you that the Flovent Serevent combo really has worked for me and I seem to have very drug-resistant asthma, not a lot of the new stuff works for me, like Singulair, Accolate, they did nothing. I wish you the best of luck. Life is uncertain – eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: )
Hi. I am female, and have had severe asthma for 30yrs. I am looking to connect with anyone who has had severe asthma (frequent hospital emergency visits, multiple daily steroid and flovent use) and has found any tangible means, other than flovent and steroid use, to lessen its severity. I know my triggers well, and controlling them has minimal effect-I can’t live in a bubble. Does someone have a personal victory to share? Thanks, S
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I am female, and have had severe asthma for 30yrs. I am looking to connect with anyone who has had severe asthma (frequent hospital emergency visits, multiple daily steroid and flovent use) and has found any tangible means, other than flovent and steroid use, to lessen its severity. I know my triggers well, and controlling them has minimal effect-I can’t live in a bubble. Does someone have a personal victory to share? Thanks, S
Mart, I seem to recall that not long ago that there was some concern that you were planning on getting rid of yourself. So are you investigating self-destructive techniques like getting stabbed and smashed on the head with a bottle? 
Ha! There must be easier ways surely?!?
Yeah, but we’re not telling….. I would grab you be the ankles, turn you upside down and shake you until some common sense fell into your head, but I think Vanessa’s already done that, albeit much more gently and rationally. I prefer Vanessa`s gentle touch, but I can`t argue….you`re absoluetly right!
Well, being gentle isn’t one of the listed adverse side effects of Effexor : Anyway, I’m glad you’re recovering from this adventure of yours. DON’T DO IT AGAIN! Cheers. The fact that my survival instincts kicked in and gave me the strenght to run prove (maybe) that I DO want to live?!?
Yep, good message there. Your survival instinct does seem to be in pretty good shape. BTW, I liked your original subject heading that fear can be good for you. P.S. I tried to post a reply yesterday via xusenet, but that seems to be the only place it showed up. But maybe one of these days a duplicate message will show up. Feel free to ignore it. I only post on Google Groups these days and have no problem with it. Best wishes, Martin
I’m using Google now, but the problem I’ve got with it is that it runs behind my read-only newsserver. It’s frustrating to see a message in my newsreader and not be able to respond because it hasn’t hit Google yet. Once I get past some personal problems I’ll have to find a better way of doing this. Take care, Fig
Mart, I seem to recall that not long ago that there was some concern that you were planning on getting rid of yourself. So are you investigating self-destructive techniques like getting stabbed and smashed on the head with a bottle?
Ha! There must be easier ways surely?!? I would grab you be the ankles, turn you upside down and shake you until some common sense fell into your head, but I think Vanessa’s already done that, albeit much more gently and rationally.
I prefer Vanessa`s gentle touch, but I can`t argue….you`re absoluetly right! Anyway, I’m glad you’re recovering from this adventure of yours. DON’T DO IT AGAIN!
Cheers. The fact that my survival instincts kicked in and gave me the strenght to run prove (maybe) that I DO want to live?!? Take care, Figaro P.S. I tried to post a reply yesterday via xusenet, but that seems to be the only place it showed up. But maybe one of these days a duplicate message will show up. Feel free to ignore it.
I only post on Google Groups these days and have no problem with it. Best wishes, Martin
You sure don’t do things by halves! Welcome back and please allow yourself time to heal. love Meryl
Thanks to you too, Meryl. I`m healing nicely…just a matter of time to see how much the scars fade. Love Mart
Yes, I`m back again. You thought you could get rid of me but here I am!!
Mart, I seem to recall that not long ago that there was some concern that you were planning on getting rid of yourself. So are you investigating self-destructive techniques like getting stabbed and smashed on the head with a bottle? I would grab you be the ankles, turn you upside down and shake you until some common sense fell into your head, but I think Vanessa’s already done that, albeit much more gently and rationally. Anyway, I’m glad you’re recovering from this adventure of yours. DON’T DO IT AGAIN! Take care, Figaro P.S. I tried to post a reply yesterday via xusenet, but that seems to be the only place it showed up. But maybe one of these days a duplicate message will show up. Feel free to ignore it.
WOW… what an adventure you have been on!! No more playing "The Hulk" for you!! Make sure your stitch sites dont get infected…. I personally freak out over little things like that. Take care and stay the HELL out of the park at night Stacy
My stitches are out and the main wound (the arm one) is healing nicely. I learnt my lesson that I`m no superhero! It`s just you don`t expect 13-15 year old kids to carry bottles and knives (well not when I was that age). It`s amazing I had the strength to run, really. It could`ve been a lot worse if I had gone down. We live and learn! Mart 
Wow, Mart, you have been through it! Glad to see you back. Leave those young punks alone next time!! Glad you are ok! Vicki
Many thanks Vicki. I think I`ll leave the heroics to the movies from now on! Love, Mart
Hope the stitches heal soon. Hope the pain is not too bad and that you are fit and healthy real soon. How is your anxiety these days? Vanessa
I know all the other stuff you said was right. I must have been told it a thousand times now but I know it`s only coz you (and my family/friends etc.) care! I`m not in pain now and the scar on my head is barely visible. My arm doesn`t ache anymore but the scar is still quite red. It definately has shortened though – maybe this is part of the healing process – and all the bruising has gone. It looks a hell of a lot better than it did! My anxiety is pretty much the same, though I`m trying out some meditation tapes….so we`ll see how that goes. Thanks for you concern. Love, Martin
You sure don’t do things by halves! Welcome back and please allow yourself time to heal. love Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yes, I`m back again. You thought you could get rid of me but here I am!! So what`s been happening while I`ve been away? I`ve had a few minor problems since I was last here. Namely being bottled on the head and stabbed! It was partly my own fault…some youths offered me into a park for a fight…I`d had a few beers and thought I could take them on. Initially they ran away when I charged at them (it, as it turns out, is a gang well known to the local police). They were only 13-15 year-olds, but one of them hit me on the head with a bottle (from behind). I shouted, "come on, at least attack me from the front" then looked down to see my body streaming with blood (it was a hot night and I had my T-shirt tied round my waist). I had bent double from the force of the blow but had not hit the ground….but the sight of blood made me sober-up very quickly and I ran! Not long after (I was gonna walk home) a police van pulled up and I told them what had happened. One said, "By the way, you`ve also been stabbed!" I didn`t even know! I suppose the mixture of booze, adrenalin and the smash on my head had masked the pain. The back of my right arm had been slashed. An ambulance arrived and I was taken to hospital where I had a special glue for the head wound and 10 stitches in my arm. I`ve had them out now, but I`ll be scarred for life in both places. I blame Xanax in a way, because I`d had a few pills as well as the drink and it made me TOO confident. There were about 10 of them but I had no fear, and I`ve now realised how fear can actually help you. I thought they`d just stitch me up and I`d be able to carry on as normal. Not true. My arm has been aching so much…I went back to work with the stitches in, for 2 weeks. Then I woke up one morning and couldn`t move my arm. The doctor said I`d gone back to work too soon and signed me off for a week. I`m OK now though, which is why I`ve had the strength (typing-wise) to come on here and post such a long message to you guys. It`s not like me to ramble on but I thought I should tell you lot why I`ve been off here for ages. I`ll post this message on ASAPM so forgive me if you see it twice. I know I`ve been foolish but all posts of comfort will be gratefully received!!!! Love, Martin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, I`m back again. You thought you could get rid of me but here I am!! So what`s been happening while I`ve been away? I`ve had a few minor problems since I was last here. Namely being bottled on the head and stabbed! It was partly my own fault…some youths offered me into a park for a fight…I`d had a few beers and thought I could take them on. Initially they ran away when I charged at them (it, as it turns out, is a gang well known to the local police). They were only 13-15 year-olds, but one of them hit me on the head with a bottle (from behind). I shouted, "come on, at least attack me from the front" then looked down to see my body streaming with blood (it was a hot night and I had my T-shirt tied round my waist). I had bent double from the force of the blow but had not hit the ground….but the sight of blood made me sober-up very quickly and I ran! Not long after (I was gonna walk home) a police van pulled up and I told them what had happened. One said, "By the way, you`ve also been stabbed!" I didn`t even know! I suppose the mixture of booze, adrenalin and the smash on my head had masked the pain. The back of my right arm had been slashed. An ambulance arrived and I was taken to hospital where I had a special glue for the head wound and 10 stitches in my arm. I`ve had them out now, but I`ll be scarred for life in both places. I blame Xanax in a way, because I`d had a few pills as well as the drink and it made me TOO confident. There were about 10 of them but I had no fear, and I`ve now realised how fear can actually help you. I thought they`d just stitch me up and I`d be able to carry on as normal. Not true. My arm has been aching so much…I went back to work with the stitches in, for 2 weeks. Then I woke up one morning and couldn`t move my arm. The doctor said I`d gone back to work too soon and signed me off for a week. I`m OK now though, which is why I`ve had the strength (typing-wise) to come on here and post such a long message to you guys. It`s not like me to ramble on but I thought I should tell you lot why I`ve been off here for ages. I`ll post this message on ASAPM so forgive me if you see it twice. I know I`ve been foolish but all posts of comfort will be gratefully received!!!!
Helloooooo Mart How scary. Glad you are ok and hugs for a speedy recovery. What I’m about to say is going to sound like a bit of a lecture but it’s because I care that I am writing it. I hope you will take it in the spirit it is intended Yes you were foolish and glad that you realised this my friend. IMO it wasn’t the Xanax at fault it was the mixing of the alcohol with it. And as you found out it numbed your reflexes and your thinking to the point where you did not sense the fear or the danger you put yourself in. Please take care with self-medicating with alcohol Mart – it is not only about impairing your judgement but it can make your meds less effective not to mention what it can do to your long term health. Hope the stitches heal soon. Hope the pain is not too bad and that you are fit and healthy real soon. How is your anxiety these days? Vanessa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, I`m back again. You thought you could get rid of me but here I am!! So what`s been happening while I`ve been away? I`ve had a few minor problems since I was last here. Namely being bottled on the head and stabbed! It was partly my own fault…some youths offered me into a park for a fight…I`d had a few beers and thought I could take them on. Initially they ran away when I charged at them (it, as it turns out, is a gang well known to the local police). They were only 13-15 year-olds, but one of them hit me on the head with a bottle (from behind). I shouted, "come on, at least attack me from the front" then looked down to see my body streaming with blood (it was a hot night and I had my T-shirt tied round my waist). I had bent double from the force of the blow but had not hit the ground….but the sight of blood made me sober-up very quickly and I ran! Not long after (I was gonna walk home) a police van pulled up and I told them what had happened. One said, "By the way, you`ve also been stabbed!" I didn`t even know! I suppose the mixture of booze, adrenalin and the smash on my head had masked the pain. The back of my right arm had been slashed. An ambulance arrived and I was taken to hospital where I had a special glue for the head wound and 10 stitches in my arm. I`ve had them out now, but I`ll be scarred for life in both places. I blame Xanax in a way, because I`d had a few pills as well as the drink and it made me TOO confident. There were about 10 of them but I had no fear, and I`ve now realised how fear can actually help you. I thought they`d just stitch me up and I`d be able to carry on as normal. Not true. My arm has been aching so much…I went back to work with the stitches in, for 2 weeks. Then I woke up one morning and couldn`t move my arm. The doctor said I`d gone back to work too soon and signed me off for a week. I`m OK now though, which is why I`ve had the strength (typing-wise) to come on here and post such a long message to you guys. It`s not like me to ramble on but I thought I should tell you lot why I`ve been off here for ages. I`ll post this message on ASAPM so forgive me if you see it twice. I know I`ve been foolish but all posts of comfort will be gratefully received!!!! Love, Martin
Wow, Mart, you have been through it! Glad to see you back. Leave those young punks alone next time!! Glad you are ok! Vicki
| Yes, I`m back again. You thought you could get rid of me but here I | am!! | | So what`s been happening while I`ve been away? | | I`ve had a few minor problems since I was last here. Namely being | bottled on the head and stabbed! It was partly my own fault…some | youths offered me into a park for a fight…I`d had a few beers and | thought I could take them on. Initially they ran away when I charged | at them (it, as it turns out, is a gang well known to the local | police). They were only 13-15 year-olds, but one of them hit me on the | head with a bottle (from behind). I shouted, "come on, at least attack | me from the front" then looked down to see my body streaming with | blood (it was a hot night and I had my T-shirt tied round my waist). I | had bent double from the force of the blow but had not hit the | ground….but the sight of blood made me sober-up very quickly and I | ran! | | Not long after (I was gonna walk home) a police van pulled up and I | told them what had happened. One said, "By the way, you`ve also been | stabbed!" I didn`t even know! I suppose the mixture of booze, | adrenalin and the smash on my head had masked the pain. The back of my | right arm had been slashed. | | An ambulance arrived and I was taken to hospital where I had a special | glue for the head wound and 10 stitches in my arm. I`ve had them out | now, but I`ll be scarred for life in both places. I blame Xanax in a | way, because I`d had a few pills as well as the drink and it made me | TOO confident. There were about 10 of them but I had no fear, and I`ve | now realised how fear can actually help you. | | I thought they`d just stitch me up and I`d be able to carry on as | normal. Not true. My arm has been aching so much…I went back to work | with the stitches in, for 2 weeks. Then I woke up one morning and | couldn`t move my arm. The doctor said I`d gone back to work too soon | and signed me off for a week. | | I`m OK now though, which is why I`ve had the strength (typing-wise) to | come on here and post such a long message to you guys. It`s not like | me to ramble on but I thought I should tell you lot why I`ve been off | here for ages. | | I`ll post this message on ASAPM so forgive me if you see it twice. I | know I`ve been foolish but all posts of comfort will be gratefully | received!!!! | | Love, | Martin WOW… what an adventure you have been on!! No more playing "The Hulk" for you!! Make sure your stitch sites dont get infected…. I personally freak out over little things like that. Take care and stay the HELL out of the park at night Stacy
Yes, I`m back again. You thought you could get rid of me but here I am!! So what`s been happening while I`ve been away? I`ve had a few minor problems since I was last here. Namely being bottled on the head and stabbed! It was partly my own fault…some youths offered me into a park for a fight…I`d had a few beers and thought I could take them on. Initially they ran away when I charged at them (it, as it turns out, is a gang well known to the local police). They were only 13-15 year-olds, but one of them hit me on the head with a bottle (from behind). I shouted, "come on, at least attack me from the front" then looked down to see my body streaming with blood (it was a hot night and I had my T-shirt tied round my waist). I had bent double from the force of the blow but had not hit the ground….but the sight of blood made me sober-up very quickly and I ran! Not long after (I was gonna walk home) a police van pulled up and I told them what had happened. One said, "By the way, you`ve also been stabbed!" I didn`t even know! I suppose the mixture of booze, adrenalin and the smash on my head had masked the pain. The back of my right arm had been slashed. An ambulance arrived and I was taken to hospital where I had a special glue for the head wound and 10 stitches in my arm. I`ve had them out now, but I`ll be scarred for life in both places. I blame Xanax in a way, because I`d had a few pills as well as the drink and it made me TOO confident. There were about 10 of them but I had no fear, and I`ve now realised how fear can actually help you. I thought they`d just stitch me up and I`d be able to carry on as normal. Not true. My arm has been aching so much…I went back to work with the stitches in, for 2 weeks. Then I woke up one morning and couldn`t move my arm. The doctor said I`d gone back to work too soon and signed me off for a week. I`m OK now though, which is why I`ve had the strength (typing-wise) to come on here and post such a long message to you guys. It`s not like me to ramble on but I thought I should tell you lot why I`ve been off here for ages. I`ll post this message on ASAPM so forgive me if you see it twice. I know I`ve been foolish but all posts of comfort will be gratefully received!!!! Love, Martin
Since both my pdoc and I suspect that my Effexor is the cause of my increased agitation, irritability, and general mental derailment, I have started coming off it. The last time, I had to stop it cold because it triggered my breakthrough manic episode (dose was much higher then). Anyway, I know I’m bound to have withdrawal symptoms – this time, I’ve been on it for nearly a year. Last time, I had been on it for 2 years and stopping it cold was absolute hell. This stepdown will be over the course of two weeks. If anybody in the group has gone through Effexor withdrawal, I’d sure appreciate some feedback on what to expect. Diana
Aiyee! Effexor stepdown is a beast, and cold turkey is the worst. Ever think of doing it over the course of a month? Or 3 weeks? I got over the worst of the side effects by using a generic version of TheraFlu. Jim M.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since both my pdoc and I suspect that my Effexor is the cause of my increased agitation, irritability, and general mental derailment, I have started coming off it. The last time, I had to stop it cold because it triggered my breakthrough manic episode (dose was much higher then). Anyway, I know I’m bound to have withdrawal symptoms – this time, I’ve been on it for nearly a year. Last time, I had been on it for 2 years and stopping it cold was absolute hell. This stepdown will be over the course of two weeks. If anybody in the group has gone through Effexor withdrawal, I’d sure appreciate some feedback on what to expect. Diana
At this point, it’s hard to tell which is worse – how I feel when I take the Effexor or how I feel when I don’t. So far, I’m on day three of the stepdown and just have the nausea, abdominal cramps and general fatigue. I know the worse part is yet to come but the Effexor is causing me such cognitive difficulty that I’m losing IQ points daily. The part I dread is the uncontrollable weeping – that’s what happened to me last time. The plan is for me to take the last dose on the 7th. I feel like I’m waiting to be shot or waiting to have surgery or something. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aiyee! Effexor stepdown is a beast, and cold turkey is the worst. Ever think of doing it over the course of a month? Or 3 weeks? I got over the worst of the side effects by using a generic version of TheraFlu. Jim M. Since both my pdoc and I suspect that my Effexor is the cause of my increased agitation, irritability, and general mental derailment, I have started coming off it. The last time, I had to stop it cold because it triggered my breakthrough manic episode (dose was much higher then). Anyway, I know I’m bound to have withdrawal symptoms – this time, I’ve been on it for nearly a year. Last time, I had been on it for 2 years and stopping it cold was absolute hell. This stepdown will be over the course of two weeks. If anybody in the group has gone through Effexor withdrawal, I’d sure appreciate some feedback on what to expect. Diana
I just started to take 75 mg effexor xr, since the prozac i use to take, wasn’t working very well anymore. How is this anti-depressant like? Is it better than the older SSRIs? Sometimes I feel strange while I am on it. Does this go away with time? Are there more or less sexual side effects with this one compared to SSRIS like prozac and zoloft? Thanks for any help
I am now on 150 mg of Effexor, but it is only temporary. I have been on 75 mg since a couple of years ago, and there is no side effect which gives me problems. I am also on Risperdal, and recently my pdoc changed it for Zyprexa and I noted an increase of my sexual libido, so I am not sure if Effexor is lowering my libido. What I can say is that when I was married I didn’t find I needed more sexual drive than I actually had. If you find any annoying side effects from Effexor, most surely they’ll disappear in something like a week. — Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Eat the sandwich to email http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–
I just started to take 75 mg effexor xr, since the prozac i use to take, wasn’t working very well anymore. How is this anti-depressant like? Is it better than the older SSRIs? Sometimes I feel strange while I am on it. Does this go away with time? Are there more or less sexual side effects with this one compared to SSRIS like prozac and zoloft? Thanks for any help
I read somewhere that the NPS considers invasive plants and animals to be a greater threat to the integrity of the park environments then the crush of human visitors.
This is one of the areas where full protection gets very hard to even define. For example, the Great Smokies area parks and some of the national forests nearby, are all either already allowing or considering unlimited fishing of rainbow trout. Why? Because the rainbow isn’t a native species, and they hope that eliminating it from some streams will preserve the native trout (which is technically a char anyway). Park service people are busily figuring out which streams have waterfalls high enough to keep rainbows from returning if fished out (as rainbows are mediocre jumpers compared to the native species), and which ones can’t be kept cleared. It may be ecologically sound overall, but it results in a crazy quilt pattern of fishing policies. I’m waiting for someone to suggest ‘improving’ a few waterfalls to make more streams ‘native species only’. Then there’s the asiatic brown trout, which is also non-native, but is unfortunately an excellent jumper… Meanwhile, efforts continue to restore once native elk and wolves. Elk seem to be working, but keeping released red wolves alive when they stray out of the park area is highly doubtful, and if they can’t be established as a stable population, then the only way left to control the elk is to allow hunting. There’s also the question of whether red wolves count as a native species, since they all seem to have some domestic canine genes mixed in. Wolves may also help reduce the numbers of wild boar (again a non-native species). But nobody seriously thinks the wild boar can be eliminated by wolf predation… The situation makes one thing clear. Once you let invasive plants and animals in, and hunt out a few native species, you have a seriously unstable ecosystem on your hands, and every step you take to restore a ‘normal’ ecology is a step into the unknown. All the likelyest scenarios involve other problems developing, and fixes for the fixes for the fixes being required. ‘Full protection’ becomes ‘full protection for native species’, with native usually meaning ‘before the white man came’. Planners don’t generally like to admit it, but they are not even trying to preserve the full diversity of the park’s wildlife, they are trying to set a higher threshold for the coming crash. They don’t expect to have a thousand species of wildflowers in the park in 30 years, but they think that proper management can cut diebacks to 20% or so, or in some areas 50%, and not taking these steps could leave us with 80 or 90% losses to some phyla. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yup and we also have to worry about plans to "localize" control of other areas of wilderness. This is one of the few instances I can think of where National control of land is far better than state or local control. Once local control is involved, local, economic concerns, logging, etc. takes over. Then we all lose what we’ve been lucky enough as a nation to have had in the past. Jerry
I still believe we have to recognize that National Parks are, by their very design, places where we have to balance the needs of recreation and protection. – Bob C.
snipped all sorts of agreeable stuff… Here’s the crux of the problem, not all people agree on what the "balance" should be. leads to healthy debate…too bad that’s about as far as it can go in this forum. — Paul Schnettler
Don’t know if many have been following a previous post on protections for our National Parks but it seems by the responses that various animals and objects within our parks are not fully protected! I was always under the assumption that our National Parks were these "Cathedrals" set aside, forever for the people and also for preservation. I think I agree with your sentiments in general, but disagree with the notion that National Parks should be set aside as "Cathedrals".
This was not a suggestion of mine——-simply an observation I had personally made and thought was true! This is more the purpose of other types of protected areas. A National Park is not the same thing as a wilderness area, although it may contain such areas. The mission of the NPS is stated as: "…to promote and regulate the use of the…national parks…which purpose is to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations."
Unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations is a key phrase here. And as was stated in other posts, changing times, habitat loss and other factors may change the general "mission" of the park in future years. A key to the statement is the "enjoyment" aspect. Most of our parks have been created around scenic wonders of the landscape, scenic wonders which people naturally want to go see. (Everglades NP, designated in 1947, was the first park created purely because of the plant and animal life, with supporters admitting that many would consider the scenery to be "confused and monotonous" – having been there twice, however, I can tell you that the abundance of plants and animal life is itself a scenic wonder!). Personally, I think it makes sense to try to make the parks as accessible as possible (within the bounds of leaving them "unimpaired"). The reason I say this is that our National Parks are probably the best school room we have for educating people on the need for protecting our wilderness.
Exactly. Even though I don’t like the idea of seeing animals in cages in zoos, I agree with the reasons——to educate, inform and enlighten the public on the issues of preservation. Somewhere along the line, man may have to face the choice of either restricting events that may lead to the complete loss of a species, etc. or lose the species alltogether. That’s a drastic statement and we as a nation are at this cross road with some species now but will we value our National Parks enough to restrict certain activities in a park that will cause negative affects by overuse? I read somewhere that the NPS considers invasive plants and animals to be a greater threat to the integrity of the park environments then the crush of human visitors.
I somewhat agree. Vast numbers of visitors can be controlled, after all, you’re dealing with an "intelligent" being. :-) But mindless, foreign plants that may have no, local preditors but thrive in their new homes can choke out resident plants because these plants have to contend with the native insects, diseases, etc. I don’t know if this is true, but I can easily believe it given the the human visitation is mostly limited to very small areas of the park and is completely within our control. So bring as many people as possible to the park and give them that environmental education.
Yes. The vast majority of visitors to the parks never see the "back country". Yes, we do have to be always wary of many of the privatization schemes and other ways in which those hostile to environmental concerns would like to "Disnify" our parks, but I still believe we have to recognize that National Parks are, by their very design, places where we have to balance the needs of recreation and protection.
Yup and we also have to worry about plans to "localize" control of other areas of wilderness. This is one of the few instances I can think of where National control of land is far better than state or local control. Once local control is involved, local, economic concerns, logging, etc. takes over. Then we all lose what we’ve been lucky enough as a nation to have had in the past. Jerry
Jerry, I know where you’re going with your plea, and I respect that. But why attempt to turn something that was once and is no longer…wilderness, into what it cannot revert back to? It’s an oxymoron… congregating mass quantities of people into an area like Yellowstone renders it no longer a "wilderness" experience.
Well, the way I look at it is that the vast majority of visitors to the park don’t even get into the "back country"! Many just drive the loops then stay in a motel for the night then head home. So not that many people are spoiling the parks. And the few who do make it back into the "wilderness" tend to take care of it. It’s not a lost cause. Why not keep the truly unmolested areas as wilderness areas for all to see and experience, while leaving other areas not so pristine? Experiencing the wilderness is more of a mindset rather than an event. One (IMHO) cannot expect to funnel people in cars or any other form of mass transportation into an area and then proclaim it as a "wilderness past" experience. In almost every preserve…(I like that word better) type of area I’ve visited, it takes a day of hard paddling or strenuous hiking to get past the day trip mentality people, back to the areas where you really want to spend time exploring. In other words, you put the effort forth to find the "walden" that you seek, each seeker has his/her own expectations.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Again, IMHO the mere presence of people threatens the protections afforded the animals in the parks. Any man vs/ animal situation puts the animal at a disadvantage with regards to protections…it’s the human psyche that upsets the balance.
You’re right but just by having people present, doesn’t necessarily have to degrade the immediate environment for animals living there. That’s where and why we have certain rules to follow to insure a quality experience in our parks. Somethin’ worth fighting for. Jerry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Paul Schnettler
Don’t know if many have been following a previous post on protections for our National Parks but it seems by the responses that various animals and objects within our parks are not fully protected! I was always under the assumption that our National Parks were these "Cathedrals" set aside, forever for the people and also for preservation.
I think I agree with your sentiments in general, but disagree with the notion that National Parks should be set aside as "Cathedrals". This is more the purpose of other types of protected areas. A National Park is not the same thing as a wilderness area, although it may contain such areas. The mission of the NPS is stated as: "…to promote and regulate the use of the…national parks…which purpose is to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations." A key to the statement is the "enjoyment" aspect. Most of our parks have been created around scenic wonders of the landscape, scenic wonders which people naturally want to go see. (Everglades NP, designated in 1947, was the first park created purely because of the plant and animal life, with supporters admitting that many would consider the scenery to be "confused and monotonous" – having been there twice, however, I can tell you that the abundance of plants and animal life is itself a scenic wonder!). Personally, I think it makes sense to try to make the parks as accessible as possible (within the bounds of leaving them "unimpaired"). The reason I say this is that our National Parks are probably the best school room we have for educating people on the need for protecting our wilderness. People who would dismiss me as a tree-hugger and not listen to anything I say will stop and take notice when they’re in a national park listening to a park ranger say the exact same thing. People of all political ideologies seem to have a great deal of respect for park rangers, and I don’t think I ever met a ranger who wasn’t a great deal concerned about protecting the environment. I read somewhere that the NPS considers invasive plants and animals to be a greater threat to the integrity of the park environments then the crush of human visitors. I don’t know if this is true, but I can easily believe it given the the human visitation is mostly limited to very small areas of the park and is completely within our control. So bring as many people as possible to the park and give them that environmental education. Yes, we do have to be always wary of many of the privatization schemes and other ways in which those hostile to environmental concerns would like to "Disnify" our parks, but I still believe we have to recognize that National Parks are, by their very design, places where we have to balance the needs of recreation and protection. – Bob C.
Don’t know if many have been following a previous post on protections for our National Parks but it seems by the responses that various animals and objects within our parks are not fully protected! I was always under the assumption that our National Parks were these "Cathedrals" set aside, forever for the people and also for preservation. Not so. So, when you see lobbyists trying to further degrade the only public place that should be held in trust for preservation AND public use that does not degrade your park, speak up. All Americans have the right to get a glimpse of what the American wilderness used to be. And future generations should also have the same expectations. There is plenty of public land outside our National Parks where people can use the land for something other than preservation. Here’s a "timely" quote from John Muir that perfectly fits various "These temple-destroyers, devotees of ravaging commercialism, seem to have a perfect contempt for Nature, and instead of lifting their eyes to the God of the mountains, lift them to the Almighty Dollar". Jerry
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t know if many have been following a previous post on protections for our National Parks but it seems by the responses that various animals and objects within our parks are not fully protected! I was always under the assumption that our National Parks were these "Cathedrals" set aside, forever for the people and also for preservation. Not so. So, when you see lobbyists trying to further degrade the only public place that should be held in trust for preservation AND public use that does not degrade your park, speak up. All Americans have the right to get a glimpse of what the American wilderness used to be. And future generations should also have the same expectations. There is plenty of public land outside our National Parks where people can use the land for something other than preservation. Here’s a "timely" quote from John Muir that perfectly fits various "These temple-destroyers, devotees of ravaging commercialism, seem to have a perfect contempt for Nature, and instead of lifting their eyes to the God of the mountains, lift them to the Almighty Dollar". Jerry
Jerry, I know where you’re going with your plea, and I respect that. But why attempt to turn something that was once and is no longer…wilderness, into what it cannot revert back to? It’s an oxymoron… congregating mass quantities of people into an area like Yellowstone renders it no longer a "wilderness" experience. Why not keep the truly unmolested areas as wilderness areas for all to see and experience, while leaving other areas not so pristine? Experiencing the wilderness is more of a mindset rather than an event. One (IMHO) cannot expect to funnel people in cars or any other form of mass transportation into an area and then proclaim it as a "wilderness past" experience. In almost every preserve…(I like that word better) type of area I’ve visited, it takes a day of hard paddling or strenuous hiking to get past the day trip mentality people, back to the areas where you really want to spend time exploring. In other words, you put the effort forth to find the "walden" that you seek, each seeker has his/her own expectations. Again, IMHO the mere presence of people threatens the protections afforded the animals in the parks. Any man vs/ animal situation puts the animal at a disadvantage with regards to protections…it’s the human psyche that upsets the balance. — Paul Schnettler
Justin, Depression is a bummer, in and of itself. Have you asked your doc to check other things out? I have a thyroid problem and one of the things that surfaces with it is depression and a tendency to sleep 14 hours a day ( really ), skin problems, other health problems can accompany it. Most docs blow us off because, as men, we are in the minority with this, and so they seldom screen for it. Having checked a few things back for about 20 years or more, it is highly probable I’ve had for some time. A couple of simple blood tests and you’ll have a good idea if it is or isn’t, but it is not normal to be depressed and it would be one less worry. It could be something so simple but life changing as this that it would be prudent to discuss it with your doc. A good place to ask for more question on this might be Alt.Support.Thyroid , as they are good, gentle folks with a lot of answers pertaining to what you’ve described, and it is quite possible to have a life changing event cause a temporary health issue. If that isn’t the case, feel free to vent, rant, or rave here. We’ll listen.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This post is not divorce, but I do need help. I have posted at other ng some have been helpful others have not. I’m looking for advice, I will be preprared to take it. Which can be hard for me. I have posted here before. My name is Justin, I’m 22/m I feel like my life is a real mess, I don’t know how to get out of this rut. Most days I rather be dead then go on. I don’t feel like I will neber ever, ever get better It starts here. Im upset because I feel like I disappointed my parents at many levels. After graduating high school in 98′ I went off to the University Of Toledo. I stayed 5 days. I left because I was paranoid about some stuff from high school, which I rather not mention. Upon coming home I worked several jobs. I didn’t stay at many because I was too paranoid. I eventually became house bound. The only time I left was to see my doctor. Its almost like my mom hated my mom for not understanding my problems. I wasn’t a perfect kid, but most of my problems stemed from this issue. I finally moved in with my father. I did get better. I started doing the phones at his office and became confident. But living with my father was hell. He made me ill and I became aneroxic at some level. I’m about 5′11" I dropped down to 135Ib. Eventually I moved out. I couldn’t stand the asshole. I did it overnight without hi knowing (If you ask my father he will tell you what a rotten kid I was) I then moved into an apartment. In a good neighborhood. But even in good areas there are some real nuts. The lady who lived across from me was a cocaine addict. She even proposition me for sex in the middle of the night. I didn’t touch the skank. Eventually, I moved out of that apartment and one across the street. I then met up with this dude, while working at the movie theatre. That was a bad sitution. He never took showers. He left meatloaf out for weeks, he had cereal all over the floor in his room. The list goes on and on. The apartment managers let me break my lease. I now live by myself(boy, im glad I don’t live with anyone) Then 7 months ago. I was so depressed I hooked up with some guy I met on the net. I regret doing this, one because Im not gay. But I was so unhappy. I would do anything to relieve stress. Lately, I look at porn on the net because Im miserable. Then last week I got fired from my job at Nordstroms as a dishwasher.. I was only there for about 5 weeks. So it wasn’t a big deal. The reason is I don’t know how to do washes. I also put the trash in the wrong place a few times. I know this was my fault. I got a little lazy. The last day I was there this dude got in my face and was yelling at me about how I don’t know how to do dishes. He put his finger in my face. I dont look weak now. I now weigh abou 170 5′11" medium build. Im pissed another dude got in my face. I told my grandfather what happened he said i "fucked up" and on the wrong track in life. Today, its 5:30 am. I feel like shit. I’m thinking about cutting school. I sleep like 14 hrs a day. Im so depressed, and even a little suicidal. I have bad obsessions. I’m always concerned with my looks. I always think Im ugly, but I’m not I’m actually good looking. I stand in the mirrors for awhile picking at whats wrong with my face, and how i could correct it. I’m seething about some other things. I was talking to this kid I know from one of the ng. I told him how sometimes I read posts with advice and I get upset. He told me im too emotional, and then he said im as emotional as a woman. After he said that I started insulting him like crazy. I usually feel bad when Im brutally mean to people this time, I wasn’t. I could barley sleep last night because of this comment. I don’t feel like I will get over this comment. Boy, am I angry. Then last night I read a helpful post on here. Anyway, I took it the wrong way and got upset. I was then obsessing about it all last night and still am. The comment was just how relationships are 50/50 nothing bad. Well, I then started to worry that Im just a totaly self-absorbed dude. Which Im not, except when it comes to my problems. I see myself being absorbed in them. After I read that post I was got all paranoid that when Im not absorbed in my own problems Im not interested in others. I dont want people to see me like this, so now im very worried. So I traced back to all the people I talk to at school and wondered if I seemed interested in them. And I did. But now I fear that I will worry if I seem interested in people and watch everything I say, and maybe say things just so I seem interested. Maybe ask them questions that I might not normally do. I once did this before and I felt fake. I rather be mother fucking dead then to have this obsession return and thats what its fucking doing. To some this may seem like nothing to me this is a huge deal. I rather stay home then bare this worry. What’s funny is people do REALLY like me. People ask me where the parties are, boy if they only knew how horrible my life is. I once took a survery at the mall while I had some extra time. The kid doing the survey was in high school. He said I bet your a frat boy. Its funny because I see myself as an ugly, loser fuck. Will I get better? I have been going through hell for the last 5 years I see a doc, take meds, do everything. nothin works Justin
But now I fear that I will worry if I seem interested in people and watch everything I say, and maybe say things just so I seem interested. Maybe ask them questions that I might not normally do. I once did this before and I felt fake. I rather be mother fucking dead then to have this obsession return and thats what its fucking doing. To some this may seem like nothing to me this is a huge deal. I rather stay home then bare this worry.
Ask your doc if you can get into some sort of support group for obsessives. I think obsessions can be an offshoot from anxiety disorders, and are not exactly the same as depression. But ask a pro, i really don’t know. I do know from experience that medications made obsessions worse for me. I still deal with them but they’re more under control, and even channeled into positive things sometimes… I wonder if your past anorexia is related to that, also? I was told it was all related. Congrats on getting past that part, that’s a big step that shouldn’t go unnoticed. Good luck.
Justin, I am sorry you are feeling so depressed and going through sucha horrible time of it. But As you say this is a divorce support group and I don;t know how much good posting here will do, have you tried posting on the Alt. Support Depressed or depression NG? Have you tired talking to people, to friends to the doctor even?
This post is not divorce, but I do need help. I have posted at other ng some have been helpful others have not. I’m looking for advice, I will be preprared to take it. Which can be hard for me. I have posted here before. My name is Justin, I’m 22/m Will I get better? I have been going through hell for the last 5 years SNIP, SNIP, SNIP I see a doc, take meds, do everything. nothin works Justin
Will you get better? Sure you will! It’s obvious to me that you are TOO HARD ON YOURSELF. When I was 22 years old I felt the same way…which is pitiful because very few people have found themselves at such an early age…meanwhile a lot of your friends have graduated from college and look like they had all the self-direction in the world. Don’t believe it. You need to send a cheap little greeting card to your parents every now and then. Falling out of contact is not very good psychology….even if you’re at a place in life when you don’t like them and think their values stink. I’m going to sing a song… listen to the words… DESYREL, LITHIUM, ZOLOFT, XANAX, LORAZAPAM, NORTRIPTOLEAN, PROZAC and PAXIL. It took over seven years of trial and error to get the right medication before life began to be bearable. You want advice? Contruct a diary of your moods and chart the highs and lows. Write a lil’ story about your past history of abuse and addiction. 2. Go back to your medical doctor and tell him you want to visit a psychiatrist. He’ll give you a medical referral 3. A good psychiatrist will ask you 50-100 questions…in rapid fire… He’ll then construct a baseline on where you are right now verses where you ought to be. 4) You’ll have routine visits with him– adjusting medication. PS You know you’re not a loser…just take better care of yourself.
This post is not divorce, but I do need help. I have posted at other ng some have been helpful others have not. I’m looking for advice, I will be preprared to take it. Which can be hard for me. I have posted here before. My name is Justin, I’m 22/m I feel like my life is a real mess, I don’t know how to get out of this rut. Most days I rather be dead then go on. I don’t feel like I will neber ever, ever get better It starts here. Im upset because I feel like I disappointed my parents at many levels. After graduating high school in 98′ I went off to the University Of Toledo. I stayed 5 days. I left because I was paranoid about some stuff from high school, which I rather not mention. Upon coming home I worked several jobs. I didn’t stay at many because I was too paranoid. I eventually became house bound. The only time I left was to see my doctor. Its almost like my mom hated my mom for not understanding my problems. I wasn’t a perfect kid, but most of my problems stemed from this issue. I finally moved in with my father. I did get better. I started doing the phones at his office and became confident. But living with my father was hell. He made me ill and I became aneroxic at some level. I’m about 5′11" I dropped down to 135Ib. Eventually I moved out. I couldn’t stand the asshole. I did it overnight without hi knowing (If you ask my father he will tell you what a rotten kid I was) I then moved into an apartment. In a good neighborhood. But even in good areas there are some real nuts. The lady who lived across from me was a cocaine addict. She even proposition me for sex in the middle of the night. I didn’t touch the skank. Eventually, I moved out of that apartment and one across the street. I then met up with this dude, while working at the movie theatre. That was a bad sitution. He never took showers. He left meatloaf out for weeks, he had cereal all over the floor in his room. The list goes on and on. The apartment managers let me break my lease. I now live by myself(boy, im glad I don’t live with anyone) Then 7 months ago. I was so depressed I hooked up with some guy I met on the net. I regret doing this, one because Im not gay. But I was so unhappy. I would do anything to relieve stress. Lately, I look at porn on the net because Im miserable. Then last week I got fired from my job at Nordstroms as a dishwasher.. I was only there for about 5 weeks. So it wasn’t a big deal. The reason is I don’t know how to do washes. I also put the trash in the wrong place a few times. I know this was my fault. I got a little lazy. The last day I was there this dude got in my face and was yelling at me about how I don’t know how to do dishes. He put his finger in my face. I dont look weak now. I now weigh abou 170 5′11" medium build. Im pissed another dude got in my face. I told my grandfather what happened he said i "fucked up" and on the wrong track in life. Today, its 5:30 am. I feel like shit. I’m thinking about cutting school. I sleep like 14 hrs a day. Im so depressed, and even a little suicidal. I have bad obsessions. I’m always concerned with my looks. I always think Im ugly, but I’m not I’m actually good looking. I stand in the mirrors for awhile picking at whats wrong with my face, and how i could correct it. I’m seething about some other things. I was talking to this kid I know from one of the ng. I told him how sometimes I read posts with advice and I get upset. He told me im too emotional, and then he said im as emotional as a woman. After he said that I started insulting him like crazy. I usually feel bad when Im brutally mean to people this time, I wasn’t. I could barley sleep last night because of this comment. I don’t feel like I will get over this comment. Boy, am I angry. Then last night I read a helpful post on here. Anyway, I took it the wrong way and got upset. I was then obsessing about it all last night and still am. The comment was just how relationships are 50/50 nothing bad. Well, I then started to worry that Im just a totaly self-absorbed dude. Which Im not, except when it comes to my problems. I see myself being absorbed in them. After I read that post I was got all paranoid that when Im not absorbed in my own problems Im not interested in others. I dont want people to see me like this, so now im very worried. So I traced back to all the people I talk to at school and wondered if I seemed interested in them. And I did. But now I fear that I will worry if I seem interested in people and watch everything I say, and maybe say things just so I seem interested. Maybe ask them questions that I might not normally do. I once did this before and I felt fake. I rather be mother fucking dead then to have this obsession return and thats what its fucking doing. To some this may seem like nothing to me this is a huge deal. I rather stay home then bare this worry. What’s funny is people do REALLY like me. People ask me where the parties are, boy if they only knew how horrible my life is. I once took a survery at the mall while I had some extra time. The kid doing the survey was in high school. He said I bet your a frat boy. Its funny because I see myself as an ugly, loser fuck. Will I get better? I have been going through hell for the last 5 years I see a doc, take meds, do everything. nothin works Justin
The doctor tells me it takes time for the meds to start to work, but after taking them for about 10 days I still am waiting for results.
All the anti-depressents, incl. Zoloft, take 4 to 8 weeks to become fully effective. The reason is that they work by adjusting the number of receptors for one or more neurotransmitters and this takes time. As you’ve been on the 50mg. dose for a while now it may be best to stick with it rather than reduce to 25mg. The worst is probably nearly over. Ian Ian<<atdragoncon<dotnet
hello there… Me too on Zoloft and Xanax… Increasing to the 200Mg mark in a week I get the shakes every day about an Hour after I take the Zoloft ….I take a Xanax.5Mg at the same time……It helps. I also try to stay active as this helps to keep my mind on the Job at hand.I can get the kids up and go to work and nobody calls 911..LOL Hang in there and let us Know your progress J
I have been taking inc.amts (as prescribed by my doctor) of xanax (0.5mg 3 to 4 times a day) and zoloft (50mg a day) for newly diagnosed panic/anxiety disorder. So far, I only have brief periods of lessened anxiety, but alot of jitters and shakiness, and I keep waiting for the next attack to come. Does anyone have any similar experiences with these meds? The doctor tells me it takes time for the meds to start to work, but after taking them for about 10 days I still am waiting for results. I really appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks again.
I have been taking inc.amts (as prescribed by my doctor) of xanax (0.5mg 3 to 4 times a day) and zoloft (50mg a day) for newly diagnosed panic/anxiety disorder. So far, I only have brief periods of lessened anxiety, but alot of jitters and shakiness, and I keep waiting for the next attack to come. Does anyone have any similar experiences with these meds? The doctor tells me it takes time for the meds to start to work, but after taking them for about 10 days I still am waiting for results. I really appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks again.
That’s gonna be starting next week. I hope I don’t have the jitters. I’m really scared in that respect. But if it helps in the long run,lmk. I just hope that I can find a med combo that will make me a confident person again. Foote
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been taking inc.amts (as prescribed by my doctor) of xanax (0.5mg 3 to 4 times a day) and zoloft (50mg a day) for newly diagnosed panic/anxiety disorder. So far, I only have brief periods of lessened anxiety, but alot of jitters and shakiness, and I keep waiting for the next attack to come. Does anyone have any similar experiences with these meds? The doctor tells me it takes time for the meds to start to work, but after taking them for about 10 days I still am waiting for results. I really appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks again. That’s gonna be starting next week. I hope I don’t have the jitters. I’m really scared in that respect. But if it helps in the long run,lmk. I just hope that I can find a med combo that will make me a confident person again. Foote
Hi there: I just wanted to add, I am a Zoloft/Xanax user too. To be honest, now I don’t want to interfere with what your doc said, but my doc started me off on 25mg, and told me to break the caplet open to halve it if needed, and then, again if needed, build up to 50 mg. So, it IS your body, and you might want to consider breaking your caplet into 25mg to start off with. Now, I take this at bedtime, along with 1mg of Xanax. I take 25mg of benadryl (prn) if I have a hard time getting to sleep. You also might find Zoloft gives you heart-burn, as it did me, and upset stomach. My doc just told me to take pepcid or zantac, which I have done, and it works just great. BTW, Zoloft is available in 25mg capsules, so if you find the 25mg works best for you, stick with it. My problem was I just kep’t on increasing my dose of ZOloft, up to 200mg a day, and I felt like a miserable zombie. Anyways, YMMV, and discuss any results or problems with your doctor. BTW, I would save the extra Xanax for the next day…if you run into some stressors or something, take it once or twice…depending on your day. Just make sure you get that 1mg at bedtime:-) Peace and best wishes.. James (3rd year Zoloft user (major)..hahah:) — "All of us get lost in the darkness… Dreamers learn to stear by the stars.." Neil Peart, Rush, "The Pass"
After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. Signed, plain old rob kralik
Hi Rob, It took a lot of courage to post the above. Sure you are forgiven. You have a talent for writing and sometimes we who are depressed help each other almost as much as our docs help us. Hang in there. J9 "The future is ‘NOW’" Warner Wolf…Imus In The Morning (IITM)
Signed, plain old rob kralik
Just because you’re not a doctor does not mean you don’t deserve to capitalize on what you have already going for you. try writing "Robert Kralik" and stand back and take a look at it. Looks good to me.
Found a fellow named GOSH! posted this to the ASAD NG, yet it is missing here. Good possibility it was cancelled, so I will post it here for him. I think it’s a good and worthwile post.
Sure Rob, I hold no grudge, and I do wish you a load of luck cause you’l need it. Your appology a response to the tiger twisting your scrotum till your balls popped out may help your memory. Balls or not, many won’t forget your name for a long time. Putting PhD after it down the road will evoke many recalls, or restimulations, which you will learn about down that same road. What’s the real fix Robert? I don’t know, but you sure got yourself into a genuine "Fix". Sure glad for Willie Bell’s stories, and Mom reading Uncle Rhemus to me and that I never grabbed that tar baby, BTW Rob, dreams are our greatest friends, and motivators. We must remember what "Only In your dreams" means, (Discriminate) and learn how to make the good ones come "TRUE." Good Luck with your studies, your intellect, appropriately harnessed, will carry you far GOSH! GOSH! After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. Signed, plain old rob kralik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. Signed, plain old rob kralik
whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin
After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me.
That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. Signed, plain old rob kralikDoes this mean my Rx is no good?
whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?…..
I have to agree that although I bear no grudge against Robert for making a mistake and then apologizing for it, it is essential that he figure out what allowed him to do it in the first place and resolve that problem BEFORE getting into a position where people need to trust him with, in some cases, their lives. In other words, he’s OK by me, but in his present condition I don’t think he’s a safe risk as a mental health professional. Gotta solve his own problems FIRST. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I need to agree with Jon here. I think it is commendable that Rob was able to come forward and confess his mistake and his goals and aspirations for an advanced degree in mental health are equally commendable. However, as many hinted here, people are extremely vulnerable and often naive in many ways. A false posting can sometimes be detrimental to the health of an individual if posted by someone claiming a certain level of expertise and responsibility. This is not to say that anyone with the title "doctor" is without fault. Certainly, we all know this to be the contrary. Just as it is important to receive feedback and criticism from a group or individual, it is equally important to be able to understand and identify the source of such feedback. Specific feedback from a doctor or a proclaimed "doctor" should be weighed from that perspective, while that from a fellow patient should also be weighed. Each is with tremendous merits and drawbacks. To Rob: apology accepted and welcome. good luck in your studies, I am sure that you will do well. Remember, that one’s degree and station in life holds far more connotations and responsibility than simply a set of initials. As much as the letters MD or Ph.D. may seem to be a statement of status and accomplishment, they are laden with heavy responsibility as well and not to be taken lightly. Respectfully, Michael J. Higgins, MD (effective May 1997) http://www.erols.com/drhiggy Joint Capital Area Family Practice-Psychiatry Residency Program After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. Signed, plain old rob kralik
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Dear Stewart and a few others: I’m rather surprised that Jon is the only one who has expressed anger over this. Or at least *seems* to be the only one.
Sorry. I did not take Jon to task for being angry with Robert (yikes, you really gotta follow this thread to understand this post). I took Jon to task for suggesting that someone with a clinical psychological problem would not make a good mental health professional. (You might want to read "Welcome to my country", a really good easy to read book that helps to shorten the distance between "us" and "them".) I think I was probably as angry with Robert as Jon was. I actually sent a copy of an earlier (IMHO) obnoxious post of Robert’s to his ISP. I posted a copy of what I had done to the newsgroup (alt.support.depression) and someone there e-mailed me some personal information/speculation about Robert. I told Robert in e-mail that I was seriously thinking of sending a copy of his impersonation of an MD to his ISP. I asked him if he was an MD, an MD with a mood disorder, or perhaps just someone with a mood disorder. I was in no hurry. He e-mailed me an appology and posted one. He told me a bit about his personal life. *I* felt that was enough to invite him to post more about himself to alt.support.depression. I did NOT say that I was not angry with his posts, nor did I mean to suggest it. I just took one thing at a time. Sorry I didn’t give you more background with my last posts. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
Relax, old buddy. I’m writing to you from alt.support.attn-deficit. Normally I wold trim my header, but I don’t know what is your "home base" NG. Maybe what’s-his-name’s apology was sincere, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe he is sincere today and maybe tomorrow will be different. Your skepticism was a useful expression of what hundreds, maybe thousands, of others probably thought, but didn’t post. A number of others apparently had different reactions. Golly. Just sorta like real life to be so ambiguous. You seem to be a stand-up type of guy. Don’t go wishy-washy now. "Often wrong, but never in doubt," is my motto. As far as I’m concerned, you are more than welcome to express any of your opinions in alt.support.attn-deficit whenever you wish. Even, or especially, the ones with which I may not agree. As a group, however, we tend to not be respecters of credentials and I have observed a tendency to mock "authority". Makes for a lively discussion. In other words, I forgive you for not forgiving what’s-his-name, and proceed at your own risk Mr. L.C.S.W. Best wishes, Tom Fox – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lookie here… a lot of folks on this list are vulnerable. Vulnerable to grasping at nearly anyhing to allieviate their pain. What i saw on this list were people too quick to forgive an imposter This bothered me so i made a remark regarding his character. Look closely at his mea culpa. i was not "throwing stones" at the fellow. yet i did not want to see him get off the hook so easily. Afterall, he was looking outside himself for forgiveness when in fact he appears to have a lot of his own character searching to do. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 Oh, dear, whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin jon. I guess I’d better come clean – I’m Not really a Goddess. (Although Toci is, and I’m using her name.) Or are you just kidding, and not really a social worker?
lookie here… A lot of folks on this list are vulnerable. Vulnerable to grasping at nearly anyhing to allieviate their pain.
I am sure it does not matter, but I do not know what list/group you are reading this in. I am reading alt.support.depression (ASD). We get lots and LOTS of trolls. Some times it is best to invite them to join the group as a "member" rather than as a troll. On the other hand, we also make a fine troll stew with SPAM salad. We work with what we have. What I saw on this list were people too quick to forgive an imposter This bothered me so i made a remark regarding his character. Look closely at his mea culpa. I was not "throwing stones" at the fellow.
Here I think you are wrong. I think you made a really snide comment about how he shouldn’t aspire to work in the mental health field since he has problems of his own. It sure sounded to me like you picked up a stone from your own yard and through it at his window. Yet I did not want to see him get off the hook so easily. Afterall, he was looking outside himself for forgiveness when in fact he appears to have a lot of his own character searching to do.
Here I think you are right. I too think he has a lot of his own character searching to do. However, given what he did initially (pose in a relatively poorly hidden manner as an MD on a usenet newsgroup), I think he did the perfectly correct thing to appologize. Now did he learn anything from this episode?? My guess is probably the same as your guess. Not much, but maybe a little. Just my 2 cents. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. Signed, plain old rob kralik
I don’t know about the other groups, or the other people on alt.support.depression (ASD). I only speak for myself. Welcome to the group Rob. Pull up a chair. Tell us what is going on with you. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health
So Jon, do you think that your response here was the sensitive and caring sort of thing that want to see from our "Far Point Rural Behavioral Health" professionals?? How does that people in glass houses thing go again??? Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
lookie here… a lot of folks on this list are vulnerable. Vulnerable to grasping at nearly anyhing to allieviate their pain. What i saw on this list were people too quick to forgive an imposter This bothered me so i made a remark regarding his character. Look closely at his mea culpa. i was not "throwing stones" at the fellow. yet i did not want to see him get off the hook so easily. Afterall, he was looking outside himself for forgiveness when in fact he appears to have a lot of his own character searching to do. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, dear, whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin jon. I guess I’d better come clean – I’m Not really a Goddess. (Although Toci is, and I’m using her name.) Or are you just kidding, and not really a social worker?
Oh, dear, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin
jon. I guess I’d better come clean – I’m Not really a Goddess. (Although Toci is, and I’m using her name.) Or are you just kidding, and not really a social worker?
Sorry to spoil your "provider fantasies" Jon but many of us think our mental health providers are much more in need of intervention than we are. Carma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, dear, whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin jon. I guess I’d better come clean – I’m Not really a Goddess. (Although Toci is, and I’m using her name.) Or are you just kidding, and not really a social worker?
Jon, It must have been nice to be so pure and perfect your entire life. When you go to confess your sins I guess you won’t have anything to say. Anything is possible. People make mistakes and learn from them. Why shouldn’t he? Would you hold it against him forever? "Let he whom has not sinned cast the first stone" (or something like that), remember Mr. Mankowski? I don’t know why I’ve been so kind lately, I’m disgusting myself. I’m going to have to be nasty to even it out so people will like me again. Watch out everyone!;-) Cambela You suck! (Its a start) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health Northern California FAX- 916-474-1693 After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me. That’s "restless", "conscience", "truly" . You’ve got the handwriting part down already. I forsee a great future for you in politics… — Alex Colvin
While I was busy reporting email solicitations on Tue, 22 Apr 1997 My mom worked as Office Administrator for County Mental Health for 25 years…. can’t tell you how many times she has said to me (paraphrasing), "The reason they are so good at helping people is because they have been or are screwed up themselves. Therefore, they are very good at understanding why the rest of us are screwed up."
… but haven’t got a clue what to do about it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lookie here… A lot of folks on this list are vulnerable. Vulnerable to grasping at nearly anyhing to allieviate their pain. I am sure it does not matter, but I do not know what list/group you are reading this in. I am reading alt.support.depression (ASD). We get lots and LOTS of trolls. Some times it is best to invite them to join the group as a "member" rather than as a troll. On the other hand, we also make a fine troll stew with SPAM salad. We work with what we have. What I saw on this list were people too quick to forgive an imposter This bothered me so i made a remark regarding his character. Look closely at his mea culpa. I was not "throwing stones" at the fellow. Here I think you are wrong. I think you made a really snide comment about how he shouldn’t aspire to work in the mental health field since he has problems of his own. It sure sounded to me like you picked up a stone from your own yard and through it at his window. Yet I did not want to see him get off the hook so easily. Afterall, he was looking outside himself for forgiveness when in fact he appears to have a lot of his own character searching to do. Here I think you are right. I too think he has a lot of his own character searching to do. However, given what he did initially (pose in a relatively poorly hidden manner as an MD on a usenet newsgroup), I think he did the perfectly correct thing to appologize. Now did he learn anything from this episode?? My guess is probably the same as your guess. Not much, but maybe a little. Just my 2 cents. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
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In article After a couple wrestless nights, a few fights with my concience, and an exchange of words with a few good detectives, I’ve decided to appologize for being untruthfull and misleading. In a recent post I signed my name as Dr. Robert T. Kralik MD. The truth is, I don’t even have my first degree. But I swear by the good grace of God, someday I will have my Ph.D in mental health, and I will be truely helpfull to my community. I’ve confessed, and I’m sorry, but now it’s up to you to find it in your heart to forgive me.
I forgive you. Mental health, ay?? You *OBVIOUSLY* picked the right field! Do us *BOTH* a big fat favor, dont do something *THAT* damned stupid agian. I forgive you.. were all human.. *JUST DONT DO THAT AGIAN!!* Signed, plain old rob kralik
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whoa…wait a sec….the fact that one would propagate such untruths in the first place that robert may have a disturbance of character! and he wants a phd in mental health?….. — Jon Mankowski, L.C.S.W. Far Point Rural Behavioral Health So Jon, do you think that your response here was the sensitive and caring sort of thing that want to see from our "Far Point Rural Behavioral Health" professionals?? How does that people in glass houses thing go again??? Sincerely Stewart
Dear Stewart and a few others: I’m rather surprised that Jon is the only one who has expressed anger over this. Or at least *seems* to be the only one. Now I had no involvement with the individual who lied so I wasn’t hurt or so much as bothered by his actions. On the other hand, if I had been involved and had trusted the so called credentials, I would have been terribly hurt and quite possibly angry as hell. I just wonder if anyone was truly harmed or not. I think in the short run it once again points out how easily the "anonymity" of the Net can be abused. Therefore we should be as careful here as in the outside world when choosing who to confide in. One other thing. The comment in regards to Jon’s job. I used to be a mechanic, in fact, a damn good one until my hands were damaged. Many people were quite happy with the work I did and I had no worries about holding a job. On the other hand, if you were to have seen my car you would have wondered who is the idiot who would drive that piece of crap. What Jon does professionally and what he does personally can and probably is two different things. I really don’t think dragging Jon’s job in here will achieve anything other then aggravating the situation. Just my thoughts on the matter. Peter Something Evil this way comes.
My mom worked as Office Administrator for County Mental Health for 25 years…. can’t tell you how many times she has said to me (paraphrasing), "The reason they are so good at helping people is because they have been or are screwed up themselves. Therefore, they are very good at understanding why the rest of us are screwed up." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lookie here… A lot of folks on this list are vulnerable. Vulnerable to grasping at nearly anyhing to allieviate their pain. I am sure it does not matter, but I do not know what list/group you are reading this in. I am reading alt.support.depression (ASD). We get lots and LOTS of trolls. Some times it is best to invite them to join the group as a "member" rather than as a troll. On the other hand, we also make a fine troll stew with SPAM salad. We work with what we have. What I saw on this list were people too quick to forgive an imposter This bothered me so i made a remark regarding his character. Look closely at his mea culpa. I was not "throwing stones" at the fellow. Here I think you are wrong. I think you made a really snide comment about how he shouldn’t aspire to work in the mental health field since he has problems of his own. It sure sounded to me like you picked up a stone from your own yard and through it at his window. Yet I did not want to see him get off the hook so easily. Afterall, he was looking outside himself for forgiveness when in fact he appears to have a lot of his own character searching to do. Here I think you are right. I too think he has a lot of his own character searching to do. However, given what he did initially (pose in a relatively poorly hidden manner as an MD on a usenet newsgroup), I think he did the perfectly correct thing to appologize. Now did he learn anything from this episode?? My guess is probably the same as your guess. Not much, but maybe a little. Just my 2 cents. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
Sure, I’d love to tell all about myself to you guys, but you’ll have to give it some time. Unfortunately I am suffering from severe depression and effexor withdrawal simultaneously dispite the fact that I’m tapering. A funny thing is, I have develloped a kinship with this depression, does this mean I am a masochist? Rabbio
No problem. We all deal with our cycles of activity and inactivity. Post when you can. Yup, after a while depression becomes a part of you. I say "I have a cold", meaning it is separate from me. Something that *I* "have", like I have a pair of shoes. But I say "I am depressed", because it is a part of who I am. So how do I get rid of part of who I am without dying just a little?? It is scarry stuff to change. How do I know there is anything there behind my depression. What if I lose the depression only to find that I have lost EVERYTHING?? It is NOT easy stuff to change. The people who says it is, have not changed anything but their shoes recently. Just my 2 cents of course…. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
You were brave to confess. You did the right thing by doing it publically. If others condemn you for it, don’t listen to them. I wish I had friends like you. mari
I was sincere yesterday, and I’m sincere today. I’m still sorry. 
Robert, to reduce the clutter I have started a new thread and kept it to ASD only. So, you want to tell us anything more about yourself other than that you are sorry?? Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man
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