Hi! I have felt both ways meaning when the doctors have increased/decreased the Prednisone I still have numberous attacks. I have come to the conclusion that I am very sensitive to alot of allergens. Sometimes I am just not sure what to do anymore. I hope you feel better. Sandy
I just tapered off a five day prednizone treatment, now I am off of it and on flovent and albuterol, has anyone felt more asthma after coming off of pred?
James Yes. I had to extend the pred treatment to 10 days and taper off more slowly. Norman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just tapered off a five day prednizone treatment, now I am off of it and on flovent and albuterol, has anyone felt more asthma after coming off of pred?
On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 02:09:40 GMT, "Lis" <liont…@ptd.net
wrote: Many people are able to do this, and the next best drug is the clonezapam, it’s also a narcotic (highly addictive).
Clonazepam is NOT a narcotic, but it does have addicting properties (best tapered off slowly).
On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 00:58:18 GMT, "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com
wrote: When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds like she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good night sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it work? Is it expensive?
The usual medicine used for PLMD is Klonopin. It has antiseizure and antianxiety effects. It has been around for many years, and is available generically (which means "inexpensive").
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Hi, When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds like she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good night sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it work? Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz
Deniz…… before you start thinking of treatment with medicines, you have to diagnose the problem. She should go to a doctor and be tested. Self treatment is dangerous. Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News ==———- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–
Thanks for all the answers. Lee, sad thing is medication cost is an important decision maker on going to a doctor. Referring to the responses about the cost, I think we will see a doctor. I’ve never thought about self diagnose. Thanks for the warning. — – Deniz "Lee Babcock" <leebabc…@pathcom.com
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work?
Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz Deniz…… before you start thinking of treatment with medicines, you have to diagnose the problem. She should go to a doctor and be tested. Self treatment is dangerous. Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:13:59 GMT, "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com
wrote: Lee, sad thing is medication cost is an important decision maker on going to a doctor. Referring to the responses about the cost, I think we will see a doctor.
A lot of them (particularly now) seem to know a bit about the cost of meds. An almost foolproof rule is "available as a generic" means considerably cheaper than "not available as a generic." Another one is "available as a generic for more than six months" means cheaper than "available as a generic for less than six months." The one glaring exception in the USA: tamoxifen. It’s all made by AstraZeneca, even if it is in a Barr bottle. (This is expected to change by the end of the month.)
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:13:59 GMT, "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com wrote: Lee, sad thing is medication cost is an important decision maker on going to a doctor. Referring to the responses about the cost, I think we will see a doctor. A lot of them (particularly now) seem to know a bit about the cost of meds. An almost foolproof rule is "available as a generic" means considerably cheaper than "not available as a generic." Another one is "available as a generic for more than six months" means cheaper than "available as a generic for less than six months." The one glaring exception in the USA: tamoxifen. It’s all made by AstraZeneca, even if it is in a Barr bottle. (This is expected to change by the end of the month.)
Charlie so true. In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available. But then, we have a lot more generics here than in the US. If Beth is watching, what is the status of generics in Australia? Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News ==———- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–
In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available. But then, we have a lot more generics here than in the US. If Beth is watching, what is the status of generics in Australia?
oh, we definately have generic brands widely available, in fact, there’s a push to get people to use the generics now. Thing is, our medication is generally subsidised by the govt (not all, but a lot) and if the govt can get people to use cheaper brands, then they’re pushing people to do it. Which is fine by me, cause the generics are exactly the same save the packaging. — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles
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In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available. But then, we have a lot more generics here than in the US. If Beth is watching, what is the status of generics in Australia? oh, we definately have generic brands widely available, in fact, there’s a push to get people to use the generics now. Thing is, our medication is generally subsidised by the govt (not all, but a lot) and if the govt can get people to use cheaper brands, then they’re pushing people to do it. Which is fine by me, cause the generics are exactly the same save the packaging. — Beth in Australia
Not quite true… The active ingredients are the same but colouring agents, preservatives, binders can be a little different. Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News ==———- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:04:23 -0500, Lee Babcock <leebabc…@pathcom.com
wrote: In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available.
The way they do it in the USA varies from state to state, but here’s how they do it in Texas. The doctor has two lines on the prescription pad and signs one of them: Dispense As Written Product Selection Permitted Then, off to the pharmacy… where they then ask you if you want the generic (if there is one). In some states, they make them write out "Dispense as Written" (which the drug industry doesn’t like as much).
Hi, When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds like she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good night sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it work? Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz
Deniz, There are several medicines. See the last link below for a description of what they can do for you. My husband and I have gotten a "California King" sized bed to prevent the injury problem (we BOTH kick). And I once had such a quick movement with my arm that I gave him a black eye (I woke up the instant my knuckles connected with his head ). And then there’s the time that I dreampt that someone was knocking on the door and no one would answer it. I woke to find that My hand, flung over my head, was shaking, and knocking against the headboard. The problem we are discussing is called either Periodic Limb Movement Disorder (PLMD) if the movements are reflexive and repeated closely together. People who have this sometimes have an itchy or creepy-crawly sensation in their legs or arms before bed time (and sometimes in the day). I have that symptom (thought it was itchy varicose veins for a long time). My husband does not have that symptom. But he has another classic symptom: cramping at night, and legs that tighten up (toes curl upwards) and move up and down. It looks as if he were trying to ride a horse If it’s a single kick or an arm movement It’s Called Restless Leg Syndrome (RLS). It happens at a certain time during the falling-asleep-process (thus the black-eye story, above). I have both these problems. My husband has PLMD as far as I can tell. Either way, your girlfriend will have to see a sleep doctor for a sleep test and treatment if it is causing big problems, something that sufferers are surprised about if the problem doesn’t wake THEM up. Most people find out about such problems from their sleep partners. My husband has always refused testing and treatment, thus the really big bed 
. All our cuddling happens while awake, because if we sleep "spooning," someone either gets woken in pain, or wakes up with bruises the next morning. Sleep disorders often come in groups. The sleep test is vital to discover if your friend had some other problems (such as a certain breathing problem while sleeping, called apnea, which is sometimes accompanied by these problems). If you have trouble convincing your friend that she needs to see a Doctor for a referral to a sleep doctor/center for a "sleep test," try filming her at night as she sleeps, with her permission. She might be surprised to see herself beating you up in her sleep. There are some things she can do to lessen her problems on her own, if this is indeed the problem I’m talking about. I’m going to list those things as I wrote them to another sufferer (who also got severe leg cramps) last week or so: 1. Melatonin works to induce sleep. This sometimes helps you sleep through cramps. It is fairly safe and non-addictive. Benadryl brand antihistimine (and the generic brands, too) can induce deep enough sleep to over-ride the symptoms. Many people are able to do this, and the next best drug is the clonezapam, it’s also a narcotic (highly addictive). 2. Move your body. Get walking or leg exercise during the day. If you have an attack at night, get up and move a round a bit, then try again to sleep. Experiment with exercise times, as it takes a different routine with different timing (in relation to bedtime) for each person who suffers from this disorder. 3. Lose weight if you need to. Attacks are fewer and less severe when we weigh less. 4. For some people, heat helps. Try a hot water bottle, bed socks, a heating pad or a hot bath before bed. 5. Do as much as you can to be very sleepy before you go to bed. Do as much as you can to fall asleep quickly. The longer it takes to fall asleep, the more likely it is that you’ll be woken by the cramping. So, take hot baths or showers to relax you. 6. Develop good "sleep hygiene," which means do not use your bed to do anything but sleep in (no TV, reading, exercising, radio, etc…). Go to bed on a rigid schedule. Develop a bedtime routine that you can take with you wherever you go. If you cannot sleep, get out of bed and do something quietly until you are sleepy again. This trains your body to go to sleep as soon as you are in bed, and not wait for something interesting to happen . 7.Learn meditation and relaxation skills. They help. 8.Check with a dietitian to see what you can do with your diet to lessen leg cramps (get lots of potassium, magnesium, calcium, etc.). 9. Get educated! Educate your Physician. There are some links on this page (same tips, but it saves me typing web addresses): http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders/RLS.htm And to add to those links, this is the Restless Leg Support Group homepage: http://www.rlshelp.org/ They are in Southern California, but there is a ton of really good informationon that page. I highly reccomend it. Good Luck! Lis "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com
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Hi, When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds
like
she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good
night
sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it
work?
Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz
I don’t know much about what melatonin would do, or have any authority in the medical area at all. This is widely hyped as a ‘natural’ sleep aid. A good write up on it can be found at:
http://www.hcrc.org/cgi-bin/mfs.cgi/20/web/u7/www11417/www/contrib/ac… cles/melaton.html I use melatonin once in a while. If I’m having trouble sleeping I much prefer a combination of valerian, skullcap and passion flower. You can’t take valerian every night though, so I only add that if I really need it or at a maximum of 3 nights a week. You can take everyday the first week you use it or if you do not use it often (IOW if a break of several weeks occurs between usages) but don’t take it every day for longer than a week. Valerian is also a natural muscle relaxant. If it were me, I’d use it every night for 7 nights and then 3 times a week thereafter if I had chronic muscle cramps. It works quite well and you should find that you don’t actually need it every night after the first go. Skullcap and passionflower can be used more often. Skullcap is a lovely soothing herb that helps the nervous system as well as helping with sleep. I prefer to use melatonin only when traveling internationally or across several time zones. Melatonin is a hormone produced by the body but the amount the body produces decreases with age. I have not found it to react with my asthma medications which include Flovent, Serevent, Singulair and Albuterol. Loki
He’s probably thinking of Levbid – used for colonic spasm and such.
Ellis; thank you for your reply, I looked up some of the reactions of drugs I took, CECLOR,ASMACORT, PREDNISONE,AEROBID,VANCANASE, MEDROL, DELTASONE. HISMANOL, AND INTAL(THIS ONE JUST LOST ANY HELP AFTER OVER A YEAR ON IT. hives, 43# rapid gain wt. headaches and abdominal cramps, and fluid accumclations in large amounts. the preventil-albuterol and the intal, accolate, was good, the singular switch seemed o.k. I also have tried over and over to use the flo-meter and can never get it over 140 course I havent blown up a bloon since I was a kid. Because this doctor is good enough to see me after I challenged the other one I am afraid to make waves again thanks for the concern i will read the other comments as they help my attitude, glad i was older before I got this problem, really can’t complain as I had a good life. MRS ehoward
I don’t know much about what melatonin would do, or have any authority in the medical area at all.
This is widely hyped as a ‘natural’ sleep aid. A good write up on it can be found at: http://www.hcrc.org/cgi-bin/mfs.cgi/20/web/u7/www11417/www/contrib/ac…
For two years I took melatonin every day , I have asthma and was taking abuterol,x2 puffs, 4times a day and at night taking singular before bed. about three months ago I had over twenty attacts of sever muscular cramps in my rt. upper quadrant, so severe I was in tears. My dr. put me on LIVBID and it corrected the pain quickly, the day I started livbid i quit the melatonin.(took it to help sleep and my hair grew longer than ever in my whole life) Now if I go off the livbid my pain returns in my right Quadrant This pain has been an off again on again problem with me four or more years before I was diagnosed with asthma, say about 14 years and I have been through the standard upper, lower, etc type exaimes.
Re: Pain in upper right quadrant; could be liver problems. There is a warning on Accolate (similar to Singulair) to notify doctor if this happens; liver function tests may be needed. Re: Singulair; this is a new drug that helps about 2/3 astmatics who take it. If it doesn’t help it shouldn’t be continued. Sometimes a smaller dose is prescribed; the 5 mg (child’s dose) instead of 10 mg adult dose. Older adults metabolize the drug more slowly. Re: albuterol 2 pf x4. New asthma guidelines indicate if you need more than 1 pf/day, inhaled steroids should be added or increased. You didn’t mention taking any inhaled steroids (Vanceril, Azmacort, Pulmicort, Flovent, Aerobid). These are the main treatment drugs for asthma. Another drug to try in your case is Atrovent inhaler. It’s also available as Combivent, a combination of Atrovent and albuterol. Re: LIVBID I think you must have the name wrong. It isn’t listed in drug books and a web search came up with nothing. Re: melatonin–Here’s a link: http://209.67.220.19/mayo/9708/htm/melaton.htm Melatonin http://209.67.220.19/mayo/9708/htm/mela_1sb.htm side effects Re: leg cramps–you could have a potassium deficiency from the albuterol or other drugs. Be sure to eat lots of bananas and drink orange juice; and eat other fruits and vegetables. I would recommend reading up on asthma. A couple of good books are The Asthma Sourcebook by Francis Adams, MD A new edition just came out. Dr. Adams is a pulmonologist specializing in asthma. Another good book by the same author is The Breathing Disorders Sourcebook. Both can be ordered at your bookstore or available at amazon.com online. By understanding asthma better, you can tell whether your doctor is treating it effectively. If you aren’t on a steroid inhaler, I would want to know why not. (Pulmicort or Flovent best) You might benefit from a 2nd opinion from a major asthma clinic or teaching hospital. Ellis My asthma is chemically induced and the list of – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – chemicals is extremely long, plus other sources such as burning wood in chimneys, dyes and so on. I also have leg cramps and foot cramps after seven years of asthma treatments and many reactions to drugs I thought the singular was my answer now I am mixed up after reading all your post. I cannot sleep as well as i did when I took the melatonin, I cannot find out why the pain returns within 24 hrs of the stopping of livbid and I get no better socially as i have not been to a show in a decade, every time i try to go too church I am run over with cough drops and embarrased I can not shop at a mall and am slowly becoming a house prisoner and it makes me dam mad that I have spent so much money and taken so dam many pills and now I seem worst than before, the last time I changed drs. I got a misss diagnosis as he read the X-ray report wrong and then when I called him on it he reused totreat me futher which I then went to a pulmonary spec, who i follow as well as I can every afford, am 65 yrs old what would you do next??//.
For two years I took melatonin every day , I have asthma and was taking abuterol,x2 puffs, 4times a day and at night taking singular before bed. about three months ago I had over twenty attacts of sever muscular cramps in my rt. upper quadrant, so severe I was in tears. My dr. put me on LIVBID and it corrected the pain quickly, the day I started livbid i quit the melatonin.(took it to help sleep and my hair grew longer than ever in my whole life) Now if I go off the livbid my pain returns in my right Quadrant This pain has been an off again on again problem with me four or more years before I was diagnosed with asthma, say about 14 years and I have been through the standard upper, lower, etc type exaimes. My asthma is chemically induced and the list of chemicals is extremely long, plus other sources such as burning wood in chimneys, dyes and so on. I also have leg cramps and foot cramps after seven years of asthma treatments and many reactions to drugs I thought the singular was my answer now I am mixed up after reading all your post. I cannot sleep as well as i did when I took the melatonin, I cannot find out why the pain returns within 24 hrs of the stopping of livbid and I get no better socially as i have not been to a show in a decade, every time i try to go too church I am run over with cough drops and embarrased I can not shop at a mall and am slowly becoming a house prisoner and it makes me dam mad that I have spent so much money and taken so dam many pills and now I seem worst than before, the last time I changed drs. I got a misss diagnosis as he read the X-ray report wrong and then when I called him on it he reused totreat me futher which I then went to a pulmonary spec, who i follow as well as I can every afford, am 65 yrs old what would you do next??//.
: wrong and then when I called him on it he reused totreat me futher which : I then went to a pulmonary spec, who i follow as well as I can every : afford, am 65 yrs old what would you do next??//. I have heard of a saline spray for blocked throat in glandular fever. Also the lungs are high in sodium compared to other body tissues. Cramp can be a result of too little salt. Have you changed your diet apart from melatonin? Perhaps salt helps to slow the heart, a little, too, maybe if it is with some potassiium chloride, too, and helps sleep. That would be if your kidneys are not hanging on to salt because of lack of the hormone aldosterone. Or perhaps if you take diuretic. Sometimes you are told you should not reduce salt intake when on certain diuretics. The sodium/potassium balance deserves care, also when experimenting. I don’t know much about what melatonin would do, or have any authority in the medical area at all. Dodo Dolphin
I have been on Singulair since Feb 98. I also have noticed fatigue and depression. I was going to stop once, but, since this is the only drug that has seemed to help I tell myself that I can handle it. Since nothing else has changed in my life since I started taking Singulair, I really feel that this is a problem due to the drug
I’ve noticed a tendency for Singulair to cause fatigue. I think the fatigue reduces with time, but still exists. [I'm in the 50% who experience significant improvement with Singulair, 25% get dramatic improvement, 25% no improvement] I still take Pulmicort, Serevent, and low dose TheoDur. My peak flows are running around 100%, but I have gained weight and have exercise induced asthma. I’ve been experimenting dropping the Singulair; or taking a reduced dose by using every other day (or splitting tablet). I am 60; children take a half dose; maybe certain others should be on a half dose? Singulair PI at www.singulair.com Fatigue is shown as 1.8% versus 1.2% for placebo. Also see: http://www.rxlist.com/scripts/patient/piumore.pl?mononum=806&order=0&… Patient Monograph – montelukast Excerpt: "What should my health care professional know before I use montelukast? They need to know if you have any of these conditions:
I tried homeopathic meds on myself but would not try them on my son. Kids really are too little to be messing with. I know that you are searching for answers but there really are none. The best advice I can give is to educate yourself on the disease and the medications or therapies used, this way you can be informed to make the best decisions for your child. nicamrem —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—
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Neeraj, I face the same issue with my 3 year old daughter. What really helps is avoiding any all all things that could trigger her asthma. Also, use preventive medications if the doctor prescibes some. Before 3 months my daughter went throught the allergy tests and now we know that my daughter is allergic to milk, dust mites, mold and mild dew. We used to use the humidifier very often, now we don’t. People tell us that kids usually grow out of this, however, our doctor said that with each attack of asthma the chances of her growing out of it decreases. That is the very reason we try our very best to avoid things that could trigger asthma. I know what you are going through. Try your best and have faith in God. Chetan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi , I am wondering whether asthma is common among the childern in US. My 2 year old daughter has been dignosed with asthma and there is really no cure has been advised so far. Except temp relief by using breathing machine. I want to know if this is true that there is really no cure of the problem. Has anyone tried any Homeopathic Madicine ? Please advise.
Hi , I am wondering whether asthma is common among the childern in US. My 2 year old daughter has been dignosed with asthma and there is really no cure has been advised so far. Except temp relief by using breathing machine. I want to know if this is true that there is really no cure of the problem.
Yes, asthma is common; 10-20% of children seem to have it. No, there isn’t an cure . . . just treatments. Has anyone tried any Homeopathic Madicine ?
Not anyone who actually wanted their child to survive to adulthood and understood the scientific fallacies behind homeopathy; IOW, this is a BAD idea. Chris Owens
I am wondering whether asthma is common among the childern in US. My 2 year old daughter has been dignosed with asthma and there is really no cure has been advised so far. Except temp relief by using breathing machine. I want to know if this is true that there is really no cure of the problem. Has anyone tried any Homeopathic Madicine ? Please advise.
Asthma is diagnosed using breathing tests. In toddlers, where breathing tests can’t be administered, the condition is often called RAD (reactive airways disease). As toddlers grow, they often outgrow the condition as their airways become larger. The treatment is inhaled albuterol for short term relief (and rescue), inhaled preventor meds like cromolyn or steroids for long term relief. Asthma is a chronic disease which needs ongoing drugs. There is no ‘cure’ but in some cases the syptoms resolve for a period of time. For Moderate to Severe cases in infants and toddlers, it’s advisable to see a pediatric allergist. Minimizing allergens and irritants in the environment is important. Homeopathy involves the use of very dilute drugs; not effective for asthma (unless contaminated with steroids). Link: http://www.aaaai.org/public/publicedmat/tips/tip20.html CHILDHOOD ASTHMA (AAAAI) Excerpt: "Approximately 10% of children have symptoms consistent with asthma. Correct diagnosis and management of childhood asthma requires an asthma and allergy specialist who recognizes the uniqueness of childhood asthma, compared to asthma which begins in adulthood." Ellis
Hi , I am wondering whether asthma is common among the childern in US. My 2 year old daughter has been dignosed with asthma and there is really no cure has been advised so far. Except temp relief by using breathing machine. I want to know if this is true that there is really no cure of the problem.
The most important thing you can remember is that There Is No Cure For Asthma. Anybody who claims otherwise is trying to defraud you. Has anyone tried any Homeopathic Madicine ?
Try distilled water – it is the same stuff. And will probably do more good as you will drink more of it. Another thing to consider is that statistically, asthmatics who use ‘alternative’ medicine have twice the hospitalization and death rates as those who do not. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein
Hi , I am wondering whether asthma is common among the childern in US. My 2 year old daughter has been dignosed with asthma and there is really no cure has been advised so far. Except temp relief by using breathing machine. I want to know if this is true that there is really no cure of the problem. Has anyone tried any Homeopathic Madicine ? Please advise.
My son is 6, has had asthma for 6 years. I have gone to many doctors and there is no cure but there are methods to keep it under control. He’s on inhaled steroids, Pulmicort and on Singulair, everyday. When he breaks through he goes on ventolin and atrovent, and sometimes prednisone. Right now the treatment is prevention but I keep the hope there might be a cure. Good Luck Gina
Hello all, I have been on Effexor XR 37.5mg once a day for a week. The side-effects have gone away except one, the feel of being light headed. My questions is, how long will the lightheadness last? Will this go away? Thank you to all who respond, Mike
not anwerable 100%, but often, yes it does go away. Give it 4 to 6 weeks, then re-assess. Make sure you’re well hydrated and don’t have fever etc.. G
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Hi Mike, I took extra Xanax when I felt that way but light-headedness was one of my anxiety symptoms anyway. Just exacerbated, initially, by Effexor. One week may seem a long time but adjustment to Effexor can take much longer. Hang in there, Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I have been on Effexor XR 37.5mg once a day for a week. The side-effects have gone away except one, the feel of being light headed. My questions is, how long will the lightheadness last? Will this go away? Thank you to all who respond, Mike
Has anyone noticed a lot of weight gain with Effexor XR? I took my first 37.5 mg pill today and I’m already significantly overweight as is, so I need to know if this is about to get worse. I have heard things from both end of the spectrum. What did you all experience?
My situation is the same as your: I’m overweight and I started taking Effexor 37.5 XR. I started taking Effexor 2 1/2 weeks ago. Effexor for me was an appetite suppressant and I lost 3 pounds the first week. I was not eating or drinking fluids, which made the side-effects worse than they should have been. So, if you find that you are not hungry, remember to drink lots of fluids to stay hydrated and eat a little something. Mike
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Thanks Mike! I know drugs tend to affect everyone differently, but it is nice to hear someone who DIDN’T gain weight on it. I am hoping it’ll help with that too. Keep me posted on how it goes for you. Suzanne
Thanks Mike! I know drugs tend to affect everyone differently, but it is nice to hear someone who DIDN’T gain weight on it. I am hoping it’ll help with that too. Keep me posted on how it goes for you. Suzanne
Hi Suzanne, I have been on Efexor for a few years now and recently upped my dose. I have not gained any weight on it and with cutting out some fast foods, I have actually lost some weight. I did put on heaps with Prozac and still need to loose more of it. Jude.
One junior aspirin is ok, but large doses are contraindicated with insulin or glucose-reducing tablets. Possible hypos you see. References Professor Peter Sonksen Emeritus Professor of Endocrinology Guy`s, King`s and St. Thomas` Hospitals` School of Medicine St. Thomas Hospital London Dr. Charles Fox Consultant Physician Northampton General Hospital Sue Judd DSN St. Thomas` Hospital London — Al. Idiopathic t1 HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Blood Pressure 105/70 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x
Many diabetologists prescribe 75mg aspirin per day as a matter of course since stroke is major danger for T2s.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it the same for paracetamol? Ian I done some searching, and the supposed dangers of paracetamol are just one more urban myth. http://tinyurl.com/zau9 A website that has a vested interest. They also don’t mention liver damage due to paracetamol which eventually causes death. They quote 30+ tablets are required to kill you. They don’t say that liver damage can occur with far fewer. They also don’t point out that a tub of 100 can be bought for a couple of quid, or that an overdose of, for example, 100 prozac/effexor can be survived but are POM. Al, with your inherehent cynicism I’m surprised you don’t look for the info that’s between the lines.
With my inherent cynicism I don`t trust a mere paramedic dxed less than 6 months ago. Is your HbA1c less than 6mmol yet? Might be, if so good. Is your total chol below 4 yet? If so good Stick around a bit, some of us here were dxed decades ago, you might learn, but with you inherent arrogance you might not. I remember you claiming on upsd that dm can cause immediate organ failure. Oh no, it is takes 20+ years to do it slowly and painfully. Paracetamol used correctly takes at least that long to cause liver failure. Al Cynical to my last dying breath.
Is it the same for paracetamol? Ian
I done some searching, and the supposed dangers of paracetamol are just one more urban myth. http://tinyurl.com/zau9 — Al. Idiopathic t1 HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Blood Pressure 105/70 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x
One junior aspirin is ok, but large doses are contraindicated with insulin or glucose-reducing tablets. Possible hypos you see.
Funny, my GP said that when I asked about using aspirin as an anti- coagulant: no more than 75 mg. He didn’t connect it with diabetes though. — Joe Soap
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it the same for paracetamol? Ian Not afaik. But paracetamol in very very large doses damages the liver, or so I am told, by a doctor I used to trust back in the good old 1970`s when I was not diabetic. Paracetamol is dangerous in *not very* large dosages. In fact I’d go as far as to say it is probably the most dangerous non-prescription medicinal drug.
Do you have an URL, please? You might well be right, I certainly prefer not to touch it. — Al. Idiopathic t1 HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Blood Pressure 105/70 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x
Is it the same for paracetamol? Ian
Not afaik. But paracetamol in very very large doses damages the liver, or so I am told, by a doctor I used to trust back in the good old 1970`s when I was not diabetic. — Al. Idiopathic t1 HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Blood Pressure 105/70 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x
Is it the same for paracetamol? Ian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One junior aspirin is ok, but large doses are contraindicated with insulin or glucose-reducing tablets. Possible hypos you see. References Professor Peter Sonksen Emeritus Professor of Endocrinology Guy`s, King`s and St. Thomas` Hospitals` School of Medicine St. Thomas Hospital London Dr. Charles Fox Consultant Physician Northampton General Hospital Sue Judd DSN St. Thomas` Hospital London — Al. Idiopathic t1 HbA1c 5.95 Total Chol 2.7 Blood Pressure 105/70 Beef Lente 1x Beef Neutral 2x
Is it the same for paracetamol? Ian Not afaik. But paracetamol in very very large doses damages the liver, or so I am told, by a doctor I used to trust back in the good old 1970`s when I was not diabetic.
A great many suicides are caused by overdosing on paracetamol. The sad bit is that death is not immediate, but if not treated within a few hours, the liver damage is irreversible, so the patient dies slowly over the next few days even though they might have had a change of heart about killing themselves. Many suicide attempts are in reality a cry for help, not a genuine desire to end it all. At one time it was suggested that all paracetamol tablets have the antidote incorporated into them, so that the more tablets you took, the more antidote you got, and the whole thing was self neutralising, but nothing ever happened and the suicides continue. I had a relative who had a very close shave overdosing with paracetamol. — Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds like it could be the start of agoraphobia. I’m surprised that the Xanax isn’t controlling it, although, I’m not sure if "reluctant" means you don’t go far from home at all or you do but don’t ‘enjoy’ the experience. Zoloft, like all anti-depressants, does take 4-8 weeks to work fully, however, Xanax’s action is almost immediate, usually 10-15 minutes. You haven’t stated quantities, but it seems that your dosage is too low. In addition to altering the dose, you can also use Xanax as a ’security blanket,’ take some with you and if you feel the need take an additional tablet. Initially, you may need the extra Xanax, but in time just knowing its there is enough. The meds. used to treat agoraphobia are exactly the same as for anxiety, so are the dosages. The point is that agoraphobia is a manifestation of fear, ie: anxiety, so if you lessen/eliminate the anxiety then you also lessen/eliminate agoraphobia. Ian Ian<<atdragoncon<dotnet
I have been on a full treatment regimen of all the SSRI’s, while using Xanax and/or klonipin, and found the SSRI’s always, no matter how long I was on them for (sometimes up to two years at max dosage) created a mix of anxiety and fatigue. Now, YMMV, and this is just me, but I find the short acting benzo’s like Xanax, Serax, Ativan, the best. In particular Xanax. My belief is that, even though the drugs don’t stay in the body a long time, for somebody who wants to avoid depression caused by using benzo’s, this may be a good thing. The Xanax gets into the body, does it’s job of calming me down, and gets out. Just the chemical changes alone may be enough without having a constant stream of the drug running through your veins. Again, this is just my opinion and experience, and everybody IS different. Just thought I would share it. Peace James — "All of us get lost in the darkness… Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.." Neil Peart, Rush, "The Pass"
snipped I have been on a full treatment regimen of all the SSRI’s, while using Xanax and/or klonipin, and found the SSRI’s always, no matter how long I was on them for (sometimes up to two years at max dosage) created a mix of anxiety and fatigue. Now, YMMV, and this is just me, but I find the short acting benzo’s like Xanax, Serax, Ativan, the best. snipped James
Hi, James Obviously you’re a benzo type guy, rather than a SSRI type. SSRI’s by virtue of their narrow method of action, mostly only on serotonin and specifically 5HT3, don’t suit everyone. It may be that you need something which also directly inhibits the noradrenaline (norepinephrine) pathways. Have you tried the TCA’s or Effexor. The TCAs affect a fairly wide range of neurotransmitters, Effexor affects both Serotonin and noradren. Just a thought. Ian Ian<<atdragoncon<dotnet
James MacLachlan schreef: I have been on a full treatment regimen of all the SSRI’s, while using Xanax and/or klonipin, and found the SSRI’s always, no matter how long I was on them for (sometimes up to two years at max dosage) created a mix of anxiety and fatigue. Now, YMMV, and this is just me, but I find the short acting benzo’s like Xanax, Serax, Ativan, the best. In particular Xanax. My belief is that, even though the drugs don’t stay in the body a long time, for somebody who wants to avoid depression caused by using benzo’s, this may be a good thing. The Xanax gets into the body, does it’s job of calming me down, and gets out. Just the chemical changes alone may be enough without having a constant stream of the drug running through your veins. Again, this is just my opinion and experience, and everybody IS different. Just thought I would share it. Peace James
Obviously benzo’s agree better with you than SSRI’s. There may be several reasons for that which I don’t want to go into now.BTW Xanax is the only benzo with a slight antidepressant effect as well. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — "All of us get lost in the darkness… Dreamers learn to steer by the stars.." Neil Peart, Rush, "The Pass"
Hi. I use Zoloft 200mg. daily and Klonopin at night 1 1/2 tablets and 1/2 tablet during the day. Klonopin is in the same family as Xanax. I am doing better, but I have severe panic attacks while driving. I only drive alone in my hometown, which isn’t that large. As far as going out I can with others but always have the what if’s with me at all times. I’m going to Californina with my mom and sister to visit my niece and I am scared to death. I’m not afraid of flying. I’m afraid of having an attack with no male figure around. But somehow I will make it through. I’ve been nervous about the trip for the month and a
Newtony 1 again. Yes the medication should treat both panic attacks & agoraphobia.
I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet. Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks? Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.
This sounds like it could be the start of agoraphobia. I’m surprised that the Xanax isn’t controlling it, although, I’m not sure if "reluctant" means you don’t go far from home at all or you do but don’t ‘enjoy’ the experience. Zoloft, like all anti-depressants, does take 4-8 weeks to work fully, however, Xanax’s action is almost immediate, usually 10-15 minutes. You haven’t stated quantities, but it seems that your dosage is too low. In addition to altering the dose, you can also use Xanax as a ’security blanket,’ take some with you and if you feel the need take an additional tablet. Initially, you may need the extra Xanax, but in time just knowing its there is enough. The meds. used to treat agoraphobia are exactly the same as for anxiety, so are the dosages. The point is that agoraphobia is a manifestation of fear, ie: anxiety, so if you lessen/eliminate the anxiety then you also lessen/eliminate agoraphobia. Ian Ian<<atdragoncon<dotnet
Hi also was put on xanex for my panic and I did experience not wanting to leave my house. My DR. put me on paxil but it is the same as zoloft these meds take about 2-3 weeks before you notice any differance. What I did to overcome my agoraphobia was to try to do at least one small trip a day and then as the paxil started to work I would take a xanex and go on a little larger trip now I can do the small trips with no xanex and the larger trips with a little help. It is very frustrating being on zoloft/paxil because there is not an automatic result but don’t give up it will get better I was were you are 3 weeks ago and now I’m half way to feeling like my old self!! You can do it to ! Good Luck!!
I would not call it agoraphobia, it sounds more like a secondary phobia to me. With Panic and Anxiety these are not too uncommon. I would think that the Zoloft would help here, but YMMV. How long have you been on these meds? Another possibility to look into to rid yourself of these fears would be CBT. That has been the most helpful to me to get rid of my secondary phobias that have popped up since being diagnosed. Of course YMMV. Good Luck d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet. Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks? Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.
Milliestoy schreef: I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet. Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks? Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.
Yes, this is a form of agoraphobia. Anticipatory anxiety and agoraphobia are best treated by a combo of a benzo (Xanax) and CBT, which has great results if you work hard on exposure which isn’t always easy but often pays off. Since when are you taking Zoloft & Xanax? I think it would be a good advice to go out and find a clincical psychologist specialized in CBT. Research shows a very goods track record indeed. I myself was completely housebound for months, started CBT in January and travelled to France this summer without any trouble. Couldn’t have started CBT without my meds (imipramine and Xanax) though. Philip
I am currently on a regimen of Xanax and Zoloft to treat panic disorder, no appreciable results as yet. Because I am constantly anticipating another panic attack, I have become reluctant to travel too far from home – could this be a form of agoraphobia? Does anyone have experience with these meds for treatment of agoraphobia as well as for panic attacks? Would appreciate all feedback. Thanks.
Thanks to everyone who responded. It really does make me feel better to read such supportive comments. No more AOL….. Thanks again! Peace, Dan
I’d like to introduce myself. I’m a twenty six year old male, and I’ve read this newsgroup on and off for the last couple years. Also, I’d like some feedback on my medication. First, though, my history with panic disorder… Ever since I was a little kid I’ve had trouble with panic attacks. In Little League, I was a nervous wreck before games because I thought I might have an attack. (Of course at the time I didn’t know what they were, and was afraid to tell anyone.) I quit the basketball team because I thought I was prone to PAs at night, particularly in the lighting of a gymnasium. These were textbook panic attacks I was having (and worrying about having!) – most of the symptoms, and they’d last about fifteen minutes or so. I had a pretty normal childhood otherwise. By the time I reached high school, I considered the PAs a thing of the past, something I’d luckily outgrown. I made it through college without really giving panic attacks any thought. Then — about three years ago (I’d been out of college almost a year), I was going through a somewhat stressful time in my life, trying to figure out my future, looking for a career I cared about, etc. I had *the* worst panic attack I’d ever had, and the reason it was so bad was because it seemed to not go away. Without exaggeration, I can honestly say that I felt like I was having a panic attack for two months. I had no idea what was going on, and grew very depressed. I was living with my girlfriend, who was supportive as she could be, but she was the only person I told. This was a very dark, scary time in my life. Things lightened up a bit when I finally told my mom. She knew someone who’d had a problem that sounded similar. Soon, I moved back home. I met with my mom’s friend, who gave me several books to read (Kernodle, Sheehan, Reid, Weekes), which I read with a frenzy. She also recommended a psychiatrist, who helped me through medication. This was a summer of healing for me. We found a medication combination – 5 mg per day of Xanax, 1mg per day Klonopin, and 150 mg per day Zoloft. I had tried Imipramine, but it made me feel even more anxious, as though I were about to have a PA at any time. Anyway, this dosage took awhile to reach, but it was the dosage that worked for me. I also read and practiced many of the self-help techniques such as deep relaxation, breathing exercises, meditation, stopping negative thought patterns, et al. It took awhile, but I got better. I finally felt some joy in life again. Since then, I’ve stayed at the same dosages of the medications, with few side effects, and feel very good. I’ve had panic attacks begin, but the combination of the medication and learning not to fear the attack enables me to take a deep breath and let it go. My life isn’t perfect, but I feel sane. I’ve moved away from my parents house, and owe them a HUGE debt of gratitude for letting me free-load for a year as I got better. It took me awhile to get a job, because I had an immense fear of being stuck somewhere for eight hours. I wasn’t afraid to go out – I was afraid, though, to *have* to be in one place. When I finally started working, it was a huge step in my recovery. So, I’m curious what your thoughts are on my medication. Sometimes I feel a bit guilty, like I should try to taper off the meds. Other times, I’m perfectly content to stay on them the rest of my life. I haven’t built up a tolerance for the Xanax, so that’s not a problem. My doctor mentions tapering every time I see her, which is every three months, but lately I’ve been in so many transitional stages in my life, I just haven’t felt ready to mess with the medication. (First I moved away from home – far away, actually – and then I got married to the girlfriend who’d been so supportive when I first got sick, and now we have a three month old baby boy….I’d call all that "transitional".) That’s my story, and I’m curious what you all have to say about my medication. I know the dosages are pretty high, but I also know that quality of life is not something to take for granted. Peace, Dan "Is a dream a lie if it don’t come true Or is it something worse?" - Bruce Springsteen
It is hard enough to find medications that take care of the symptoms. If these meds work for you, then you have achieved your goal and I would not try to change them right now, just to get your life back in shape while you are still feeling well. Make sure your doc. informs you about all possible side effects, but basically I wouldn’t touch a thing for as long as possible if you find a set of meds that really work for you. Dr.S. There are no false alarms http://www.algy.com/pdi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(SYMKTB) writes: I’d like to introduce myself. I’m a twenty six year old male, and I’ve read this newsgroup on and off for the last couple years. Also, I’d like some feedback on my medication. First, though, my history with panic disorder… Ever since I was a little kid I’ve had trouble with panic attacks. In Little League, I was a nervous wreck before games because I thought I might have an attack. (Of course at the time I didn’t know what they were, and was afraid to tell anyone.) I quit the basketball team because I thought I was prone to PAs at night, particularly in the lighting of a gymnasium. These were textbook panic attacks I was having (and worrying about having!) – most of the symptoms, and they’d last about fifteen minutes or so. I had a pretty normal childhood otherwise. By the time I reached high school, I considered the PAs a thing of the past, something I’d luckily outgrown. I made it through college without really giving panic attacks any thought. Then — about three years ago (I’d been out of college almost a year), I was going through a somewhat stressful time in my life, trying to figure out my future, looking for a career I cared about, etc. I had *the* worst panic attack I’d ever had, and the reason it was so bad was because it seemed to not go away. Without exaggeration, I can honestly say that I felt like I was having a panic attack for two months. I had no idea what was going on, and grew very depressed. I was living with my girlfriend, who was supportive as she could be, but she was the only person I told. This was a very dark, scary time in my life. Things lightened up a bit when I finally told my mom. She knew someone who’d had a problem that sounded similar. Soon, I moved back home. I met with my mom’s friend, who gave me several books to read (Kernodle, Sheehan, Reid, Weekes), which I read with a frenzy. She also recommended a psychiatrist, who helped me through medication. This was a summer of healing for me. We found a medication combination – 5 mg per day of Xanax, 1mg per day Klonopin, and 150 mg per day Zoloft. I had tried Imipramine, but it made me feel even more anxious, as though I were about to have a PA at any time. Anyway, this dosage took awhile to reach, but it was the dosage that worked for me. I also read and practiced many of the self-help techniques such as deep relaxation, breathing exercises, meditation, stopping negative thought patterns, et al. It took awhile, but I got better. I finally felt some joy in life again. Since then, I’ve stayed at the same dosages of the medications, with few side effects, and feel very good. I’ve had panic attacks begin, but the combination of the medication and learning not to fear the attack enables me to take a deep breath and let it go. My life isn’t perfect, but I feel sane. I’ve moved away from my parents house, and owe them a HUGE debt of gratitude for letting me free-load for a year as I got better. It took me awhile to get a job, because I had an immense fear of being stuck somewhere for eight hours. I wasn’t afraid to go out – I was afraid, though, to *have* to be in one place. When I finally started working, it was a huge step in my recovery. So, I’m curious what your thoughts are on my medication. Sometimes I feel a bit guilty, like I should try to taper off the meds. Other times, I’m perfectly content to stay on them the rest of my life. I haven’t built up a tolerance for the Xanax, so that’s not a problem. My doctor mentions tapering every time I see her, which is every three months, but lately I’ve been in so many transitional stages in my life, I just haven’t felt ready to mess with the medication. (First I moved away from home – far away, actually – and then I got married to the girlfriend who’d been so supportive when I first got sick, and now we have a three month old baby boy….I’d call all that "transitional".) That’s my story, and I’m curious what you all have to say about my medication. I know the dosages are pretty high, but I also know that quality of life is not something to take for granted. Peace, Dan "Is a dream a lie if it don’t come true Or is it something worse?" – Bruce Springsteen
SYMKTB schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – < snipped life story for space We found a medication combination – 5 mg per day of Xanax, 1mg per day Klonopin, and 150 mg per day Zoloft. with few side effects, and feel very good. I’ve had panic attacks begin, but the combination of the medication and learning not to fear the attack enables me to take a deep breath and let it go. My life isn’t perfect, but I feel sane. So, I’m curious what your thoughts are on my medication. Sometimes I feel a bit guilty, like I should try to taper off the meds. Other times, I’m perfectly content to stay on them the rest of my life. I haven’t built up a tolerance for the Xanax, so that’s not a problem. My doctor mentions tapering every time I see her, which is every three months, but lately I’ve been in so many transitional stages in my life, I just haven’t felt ready to mess with the medication. (First I moved away from home – far away, actually – and then I got married to the girlfriend who’d been so supportive when I first got sick, and now we have a three month old baby boy….I’d call all that "transitional".) That’s my story, and I’m curious what you all have to say about my medication. I know the dosages are pretty high, but I also know that quality of life is not something to take for granted. Peace, Dan
Hi Dan! Good to hear you’re doing so much better. It seems you have a nice family and your parents seem to have an OK son who will surely be a great father himself. It’s a kind of success story which is always inspirational and it seems there is much warmth around you. About the meds: it’s a lot of benzodiazepine but if it works, it works and if you don’t notice side effects like motor or cognitive impairment I wouldn’t worry about it. The combo of SSRI and benzo is a common one and the Zoloft dose is not unusually high. I’m happy that it works for you the way it does. If and when you feel like it you can always experiment with reducing the Xanax dosage but if it turns out that need 5 mgs that’s fine too IMO. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Is a dream a lie if it don’t come true Or is it something worse?" - Bruce Springsteen
We found a medication combination – 5 mg per day of Xanax, 1mg per day Klonopin, and 150 mg per day Zoloft…… I’ve stayed at the same dosages of the medications, with few side effects, and feel very good. I’ve had panic attacks begin, but the combination of the medication and learning not to fear the attack enables me to take a deep breath and let it go. My life isn’t perfect, but I feel sane.
This is great you have had such support and found a combo that works for you and given you back your life. So, I’m curious what your thoughts are on my medication. Sometimes I feel a bit guilty, like I should try to taper off the meds. Other times, I’m perfectly content to stay on them the rest of my life. I haven’t built up a tolerance for the Xanax, so that’s not a problem.
My first reaction is – if it ain’t broken, why fix it? I think many of us get to a point we feel we can do this without meds and you are certainly free to try and lower your doses and see what happens. I did that once and found I didn’t need as much K as I was taking. Went a little lower and found I had pushed it too far. Anyways, I don’t know why you feel guilty, as IMO, there is no need to. Better to be on meds and functioning than a suffering *warrior*. Plus you have already been there and know what it is like. My doctor mentions tapering every time I see her, which is every three months, but lately I’ve been in so many transitional stages in my life, I just haven’t felt ready to mess with the medication
An excellent reason for NOT making changes at this time. If you do want to try that….I hope you will do it at a time when life is relatively stable and nonchaotic – and having a new baby sure doesn’t seem the time. Congrats by the way. :) That’s my story, and I’m curious what you all have to say about my medication. I know the dosages are pretty high, but I also know that quality of life is not something to take for granted.
Dan…I think you just answered your own question. Dosages are irrelevent – all that matters is what works for the individual. Alot to be said for that quality of life thing. Best wishes… Gwen
(SYMKTB) writes: That’s my story, and I’m curious what you all have to say about my medication.
Hi Dan, good story. It gives people hope when they read that someone is doing well. I can’t give you much input on the meds. Please don’t ever feel guilty about taking the medication you need to control the PD. I suffered for years without them. I tried going to therapy and CBT but nothing ever worked for me. I’m considering asking my Dr about taking Klonopin. I’ve taken Xanax .5 mg PRN for the past 2 years. I’ve had PD since I was a child as well, but it was only 2 years ago that I decided to go to a Dr and ask for medication. You’re fortunate to have a supporting family and spouse. It’s much easier to deal with your PD if you know someone actually "believes" what’s going on. My husband always thought I was "making it up" until he saw our (at the time 4 yr old) daughter going through a PA. First he started to yell at her, then he saw the fear on her little face and said,"my God, what’s wrong with her?" Of course, I knew what was happening to her and told him. Then he felt awful for all those years of actually yelling at me to "knock off the bullsh*t" during my PA’s. Now whenever he witnesses one, he comes close to tears and tries everything he can to help. I can really relate to your comment on not being afraid to go out, but being afraid of *having* to be somewhere for 8 hours. I have to return to work as soon as my daughter starts school, and I know I can only handle a few hours a day. That’s why I’m thinking about the Klonopin. I’m sure you’ll get a lot of helpful information from your post. I really learn a lot from here as long as I skip over the useless "wars" that go on. I don’t post here that often myself, but , what prompted me to was to congratulate you on your new baby boy! And that I see you are a fellow BOSS fan! good luck with the little 3 month old "transition"!! (that’s a biggie isn’t it? LOL!) adp
John, Not to be too dysphoric but some of us litle ole bipolars are smart enough to know the difference between depression and a CNS depressant. Amazing tho that may seem.
From the evidence of my eyes and memory, a lot of depressed people don’t. The information is probably news to someone reading it, old hat though it was to you. — The opinions given above may be mine. They might also just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
Can anyone tell me what the dangers are of taking Zoloft and alcohol together? Is it just that the Zoloft may not be affective, or are there physical dangers? Well, Zoloft is an antidepressant. Alcohol is a CNS depressant. Your call. Danny
It is possible to have seizures and also strokes when combining alcohol and zoloft. TheDelser
: OUCH! nothing more to say…;) : I’ve taken Zoloft for 3 years and drank for 3+ years. Zoloft has helped, and has been therapeutic. I no longer take Zoloft, but I still have my beers. will
Ahcohol is a depressant, no matter what else you think about how good it makes you feel. It interferes with you Zoloft. Carma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me what the dangers are of taking Zoloft and alcohol together? Is it just that the Zoloft may not be affective, or are there physical dangers?
Excellent response. I really wish someone had given me this advice before I got into it. SNIP Many to totally stupid and embarassing things in public.
That would be me. This may get you taked about but not in a light you would like.
And how. The danger is that you don’t know what will happen. For damn sure don’t have to plan on driving. I went into a corn field one night on two Vodka martinis, sound asleep at the wheel. They check for the level and it was only .15. But the combination of that and my BP pills knocked my but out.
Okay, are you sure you mean .15? Legally drunk is .10, you know… Just checking. G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -SNIP
Can anyone tell me what the dangers are of taking Zoloft and alcohol together? Is it just that the Zoloft may not be affective, or are there physical dangers?
Zoloft (sertraline) is an antidepressant; alcohol is a central nervous system depressant, so the expectation would likely be that drinking while depressed would not be helpful to recovery. This is not to say that an occasional sip of alcohol would hurt, but it is always wise to speak with your own physician about these drinking while on psychiatric medications. I no longer drink while taking medications. I used to. Didn’t help at all to drink, in fact made it worse, so I quit. -jim
Can anyone tell me what the dangers are of taking Zoloft and alcohol together? Is it just that the Zoloft may not be affective, or are there physical dangers?
: Ahcohol is a depressant, no matter what else you think about how good : it makes you feel. It interferes with you Zoloft. The term "depressant", when used in reference to alcohol, means that it slows you down, NOT that it causes the condition known as "depression". Alcohol *CAN* be dangerous with zoloft; it can make you MUCH drowsier/drunker than you expect, and long term alcohol use *CAN* cause depression (not because it’s a "depressant", but because of other changes that heavy use of alcohol causes in your body) But light drinking is fairly safe. The reason you’re told to avoid alcohol on zoloft is because you don’t have carte blanche freedom to drink as much as you want.
Hi all, I’d like to mention an additional danger besides the one listed. Zoloft (as do ALL antidepressants) tends to lower the seizure threshold (i.e. make it easier to have a seizure) as does alcohol. For most people this might not be a problem, but if you’re borderline seizure oriented, or especially overtired, be VERY careful of this combination. I’d remind people as well, that this being cough/cold season, LIQUID nyquil is 50 proof or 25% alcohol. Email welcome. John Abeel — John Abeel, R.P.H. http://www.servtech.com/public/rxman " He who hath no scruples isn’t worth a dram " – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : John, : Not to be too dysphoric but some of us litle ole bipolars are smart : enough to know the difference between depression and a CNS depressant. : Amazing tho that may seem. Why, then, didn’t you use the term "depressant" correctly in the following post that you made? : : Ahcohol is a depressant, no matter what else you think about how good : : it makes you feel. It interferes with you Zoloft.
While on ADs, the effects of alcohol on my system are unpredictable. I
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Can anyone tell me what the dangers are of taking Zoloft and alcohol together? Is it just that the Zoloft may not be affective, or are there physical dangers?
Well, Zoloft is an antidepressant. Alcohol is a CNS depressant. Your call. Danny
: It is possible to have seizures and also strokes when combining alcohol : and zoloft. Strangely, this is NOT mentioned in any of the literature on zoloft. Care to substantiate this claim, oh ignoble bullshitter?
John, Not to be too dysphoric but some of us litle ole bipolars are smart enough to know the difference between depression and a CNS depressant. Amazing tho that may seem. Carma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Ahcohol is a depressant, no matter what else you think about how good : it makes you feel. It interferes with you Zoloft. The term "depressant", when used in reference to alcohol, means that it slows you down, NOT that it causes the condition known as "depression". Alcohol *CAN* be dangerous with zoloft; it can make you MUCH drowsier/drunker than you expect, and long term alcohol use *CAN* cause depression (not because it’s a "depressant", but because of other changes that heavy use of alcohol causes in your body) But light drinking is fairly safe. The reason you’re told to avoid alcohol on zoloft is because you don’t have carte blanche freedom to drink as much as you want.
Well let’s see perhaps it is just I’ve been studying the wrong books but the last time I checked all forms of ETOH were listed as major central nervous system depressants and the formula 1 CNSD + 1 CNSD still looks like too drugged to cogitate properly let alone breath. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : John, : Not to be too dysphoric but some of us litle ole bipolars are smart : enough to know the difference between depression and a CNS depressant. : Amazing tho that may seem. Why, then, didn’t you use the term "depressant" correctly in the following post that you made? : : Ahcohol is a depressant, no matter what else you think about how good : : it makes you feel. It interferes with you Zoloft.
: John, : Not to be too dysphoric but some of us litle ole bipolars are smart : enough to know the difference between depression and a CNS depressant. : Amazing tho that may seem. Why, then, didn’t you use the term "depressant" correctly in the following post that you made? : : Ahcohol is a depressant, no matter what else you think about how good : : it makes you feel. It interferes with you Zoloft.
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Zoloft affects Serotonin, while alcohol affects GABA transmission and recption. Unless there’s effects we’re not aware of.
Can anyone tell me what the dangers are of taking Zoloft and alcohol together? Is it just that the Zoloft may not be affective, or are there physical dangers?
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