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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes x-no-archive:yes The crappiest part of working a real late-night shift is seeing the sun come up in the morning while you’re still there. Ugh. There’s just something about that that feels wrong, no matter what. Sure, before I started this shift I would see the sunrise from home, but it’s different in some way when you’re sitting at a desk and look up to see the horizon turning that pale pinkish-grey colour. There’s something spiritually uncomfortable about it. It is worth it, though. My team started working in the new building last night, and we got our pick of desks. I have a nice, roomy cubicle and sit by my hubby, right across from another woman I’ve become very good friends with. I’ve never had my own cubicle before. It makes me feel so employed! It’s *my* cubicle that I don’t have to timeshare with anyone else. Now I can brighten it up with pictures of my kitties. oooh. i’m jealous. i want a cubicle. It’s fun. Except my computer is white. At the other building we had sleek, sexy black computers, and now we have generic looking whitish ones. Ah, well. Black would have clashed with the baby-poo yellow of the walls, I suppose.

Gosh! It never crossed my mind to think how the color of my computer in my office goes with the color of the walls. Is it because I am a boy??? One month, three days, 8 hours, 22 minutes and 2 seconds. 858 cigarettes not smoked, saving $133.10. Life saved: 2 days, 23 hours, 30 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes The crappiest part of working a real late-night shift is seeing the sun come up in the morning while you’re still there. Ugh. There’s just something about that that feels wrong, no matter what. Sure, before I started this shift I would see the sunrise from home, but it’s different in some way when you’re sitting at a desk and look up to see the horizon turning that pale pinkish-grey colour. There’s something spiritually uncomfortable about it. It is worth it, though. My team started working in the new building last night, and we got our pick of desks. I have a nice, roomy cubicle and sit by my hubby, right across from another woman I’ve become very good friends with. I’ve never had my own cubicle before. It makes me feel so employed! It’s *my* cubicle that I don’t have to timeshare with anyone else. Now I can brighten it up with pictures of my kitties.

Hey, I have a cubicle too. But it is so small, that it would be too personal to have a visitor in there, LOL. One month, three days, 8 hours, 14 minutes and 56 seconds. 858 cigarettes not smoked, saving $133.08. Life saved: 2 days, 23 hours, 30 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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As others have mentioned, I’d sure give Zoloft a try. I, too, have been on all of it. Until I started Zoloft, I had been in the hospital 5 times. It’s now been 7 years since my last admission and have only missed a handful of days from work because of depression. Zoloft changed my life. Just remember that when you first start the med, you may have some bothersome side affects but they do end(at least for me). Stick with it and you will find the results well-worth it. Best of luck. Emily

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I noticed someone suggested Lamictal in one of the posts.  I am currently on Lamictal, along with Wellbutrin and Serax at night.  As for the Lamictal, I didn’t really notice much by itself at first, but the obvious thing I noticed about Lamictal is that I didn’t experience any side affects!  None. Now, when they started to add the others, of course I experienced some side affects.  They just increased my dose of Lamictal to 125mg, and again, no side effects.  The hope is that they just might have needed a little bit of a higher dose for it to kick in. So far, so good, but … well, it is probably way to soon. But again, the nice factor about Lamictal for me was that I experienced NO side affects.  What is the harm in trying if there are no side effects? There is a rash that you have to watch for, but that will just mean you have to stop… What is a rash that will go away compared to .. headaches, insomnia, being tired all the time, constipation, …. you get the idea.. Pamela

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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Thanks for mentioning it, but I had 8 ECTs while in hospital 1-1/2 years ago, over a 3-week period.  They just did not work.  I crashed in a bad way after the 8th. Carrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carrie, I am a newbie to the group and depression in general, but have you asked your pdoc about a course of ECT? Rob D Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her. She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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Carrie, I am a newbie to the group and depression in general, but have you asked your pdoc about a course of ECT? Rob D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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I wish I could help you : (((((((((((((((((Carie)))))))))))))))))

My bad Carrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I wish I could help you : (((((((((((((((((Carie))))))))))))))))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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Cheers? Carrie I’ve read posts here about Zoloft and that was one I was going to inquire about.  thanks for the reminder. The abyss.  Thanks for giving me a word for that *feeling*.  Black hole is another great description.  Ah, wouldn’t want to give you any more pain! But, I may occasionally rant away.    I’ll pick some (non-controversial) issue and just pick it apart. Thanks Sharon Carrie )

Well, at least you’ve put a smiley face next to your name, I just started Remeron and it’s going very well for me. I’ve often wondered if people experience anti dep "burn out" after a length of time on one drug, which then means switching to another.  I’ve  plowed through a fair number of different anti deps.    My last successful one was dosage made me very dizzy.   I also took Celexa with the Effexor at times. I also like that word "abyss"…….it describes my past year’s depression recurrence exactly.  However, I also have some issues that eventually caused incredible anger, and everytime I had a setback (concerning the issues) I would have uncontrollable episodes of rage to the point where I was obsessed with revenge…..the kind that is associated with a knife.  So the Remeron kinda calmed me down, and also I’ve been on a regimen of Xanax, but am now ramping down on that. Carrie, maybe I misunderstood your post, but just why in the heck is your pdoc having you sit in limbo for awhile? Feel free to contact me if you need to rant…… controversial or otherwise. Jeanne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<< Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Try an SSRI or Effexor augmented with an atypical anti-psychotic like Seroquel or Zyprexa. Can be very effective even in cases of non psychotic treatment resistant depression. Another thing you could try is lithium or lamictal augmentation of an antidepressant…some people swear by lithium augmentation and they arent bipolar in the least. Have you had your thyroid checked anytime in the last couple years? That could be causing med poopout, quite common in females. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??

Nah, probably a waste of time if it was ineffective the first time around. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her. She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie Wow.. Sounds like the shit is hitting the fan, so sorry!

        Yea, it does come to think of it.  Life a a total stress fracture right now. Have you tried Zoloft? It "Prozacian" (technical, eh?), it just acts on a different receptor. It pooped on me but worked well, and fast. Tricyclics _may_ work, but if they didn’t work the first time around, I wouldn’t bet the farm on them. I’m sure you know hubby just doesn’t understand, but it would be nice if they did. Tell him how you feel when he says things like that. I’m not trying to start WW III, but it may help. And I know it’s hard, but try not to feel you’re imposing. Please consider I’m divorced before trying it.

I’ve read posts here about Zoloft and that was one I was going to inquire about.  thanks for the reminder. <LectureDO stay in touch with your pdoc, she may have plans for a new med, and taking something could "mess up THE plan". If you’re feeling, well, that abyss feeling, don’t hesitate to call her.</end lecture Wish I could say something that would take some pain away! Write if you need to rant. Hugs, Sharon

The abyss.  Thanks for giving me a word for that *feeling*.  Black hole is another great description.  Ah, wouldn’t want to give you any more pain! But, I may occasionally rant away.    I’ll pick some (non-controversial) issue and just pick it apart. Thanks Sharon Carrie )

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa: All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her. She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good. The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie Have you tried desipramine?  I haven’t see you post that you tried that one….it’s worked really well for me.  just a thought….

No, I’ve not desipramine.  But I will be print off suggestions made here and talking to the pdoc about meds. Ulnar nerve entrapment at the elbow….I have that in my left arm…they can transpose the nerve to the front of the elbow to take the pressure off the nerve and eliminate the numbness.  I haven’t had the surgery yet, I’m trying not  to have it done, I just compensate for not feeling in those fingers……   Get to a neuro if you haven’t and have the ncv done on both arms and find out exactly where the compression is.  They can splint both arms with a brace that has a little air bladder that takes pressure off the ulnar nerve and hopefully some of the numbness goes away..but you need to see a neuro…typing is hard when you can’t feel all your fingers….. Deborah

wow, amazing!  That is exactly what it is.  I’ve got a neuro appt in Oct. I’ve also got some spinal X-ray to do also.  Some thought that my back plays an ugly part.  It will still be a while before any resolution to this little cutie is fixed ) thanks Deborah! Carrie

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Group: I have burned out everything.  For me, burnout on AD meds seems to be experiencing only awful side effects.  By the time I stop the med, I realize that it had only helped 5% of the depression I suffer from. Tricyclics (ineffective 10 years ago), Prozac, Effexor, Paxil, Manerix, ECTs, Nardil and Parnate (effective 10 years ago), Wellbutrin, Celexa:   All let me down so to speak. Should I maybe try Tricyclics again??? Does anyone here (of course there is) have infinite wisdom on the newest AD meds that could help?  (refer to list above if confused).  My pdoc is a AD med specialist, lol. I’m feeling like there is no hope or relief from this life of hell for me. It is not like I have not tried.  Unmedicated at the moment has left me progressively turning to the fetus position.  I only have need to just disappear.  Consequently, I have a hubby screaming at me to TAKE DRUGS, STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH YOUR MEDS, GET IT TOGETHER AND COME AROUND.  YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING BEFORE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE RUNS OUT (November) and there are no jobs in the community I live in.  My favorite is TRY HARDER TO GET BETTER.  Consequently, I just pull up my body armour and crawl into fetus position and withdraw.  Somehow, I don’t blame him.  He has been through hell and back, and is still here. Pdoc called me today after waiting 2 days for a return call from her.  She told me to not take any meds until appt. w/her in Sept.  If I’m becoming – got knows what – to call in 10 days.  Whatever, yes Dr.  At the moment I’m considering a large bottle of Vermouth or heading downtown to purchase some street weed.  But, I don’t have the energy and I’ll have to buy a lighter. Pathetic.  How many ASA with Codeine can I take before coma?  I just don’t want to impose on anyone, if you know what I mean.  And I quit smoking 4 years ago because I was worried about my health. Work…….well, I have a new problem.  Alnar (?) nerve, both arms, crashed and messed up my hands in the last two weeks.  Things don’t look good.  The typing here may be looking ok now, but I have to really work hard at it. I’ve been typing for 32 years.  This problem is going to be difficult to explain when I apply for those Exec. Secretarial positions I’m qualified for.  lol.  Yes Sir, I can do more than just type! Cheers? Carrie

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Was diagnosed with low testosterone after stopping Effexor, never had this problem before but believe it to be related to the drug for a whole bunch of reasons that I won’t go into here.  Has this happened to anyone else?  My urologist believes my pitutatary gland has some how got out of whack, now I am not only depressed but have this to deal with.  Wish I had never taken the drug, Wellbutrin is much better. I read on one of these posts that a user of effexor who quit taking it was told by his doctor that the drug had completely rewired his brain.   Has anyone else heard of permanent side effects from Effexor?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << Was diagnosed with low testosterone after stopping Effexor, never had this problem before but believe it to be related to the drug for a whole bunch of reasons that I won’t go into here.  Has this happened to anyone else?  My urologist believes my pitutatary gland has some how got out of whack, now I am not only depressed but have this to deal with.  Wish I had never taken the drug, Wellbutrin is much better. I read on one of these posts that a user of effexor who quit taking it was told by his doctor that the drug had completely rewired his brain.   Has anyone else heard of permanent side effects from Effexor? Sounds like bullshit to me. But when dealing with medicine and drugs, I suppose anything is possible. Its also possible that your testosterone was already low before starting Effexor, you just didnt know it yet and neither did your doctor. Low testosterone levels can cause depression all by itself. In fact, up at Columbia/Presbyterian psychiatry in NYC, there are some experimental clinical trials that use testosterone supplements (anabolic steroids) to "augment" SSRIs in refractory depressed men. Abnormally low levels of testosterone can no doubt cause depression. Anabolic steroids (testosterone) are said to have strong antidepressant effects. So you are on track..correct your low testosterone levels first, then if you still need an AD go back on the Effexor or an SSRI. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

I am really sure I never had low testosterone before effexor, the effects of having this are pretty dramatic, hot flashes, tired all the time, no libido, very erratic mood swings.  After I went on Effexor I started getting these symptoms.  At first I thought it was the drug so I went off of it, after a few months of being off of it and the side effects staying I realized something was really wrong.  I found another person who had this happen by searching through some old postings, that makes 2, how many more are there?

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hello all, this is for serafina,doctor is worried about her becoming addicitive to her pain meds she was taking trazadone and he switch to paxil.it must hve been a sales person that visited the Dr. for one would like to here from a doctor that have gone thru  the pain we go thru.oh yeh!his buddies would give  him/her plenty of pain meds.its almost like they make you feel that there’s nothing wrong with you when you no good an well your sick.try a pain clinic and get your meds.and maybe some one on one care.good luck<go to your pcp

beverly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Serafina wrote:

Say my rheumy yesterday. …   a thoroughly frustrating experience.  My internist is sure that I have Lupus   1:320, excruciating pain in the chest cavity, joints and muscles plus complete exhaustion. Yesterday the rheumy tells me that I have Fibromyalgia and told me to take Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive. I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why should he completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

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I am having lots of trouble with POSTING and REPLYING:   Seems, most everything gets put into the email "sent"  folder. Anyway, my Pain Management Specialist put me on Oxy and Hydrocodone for the pain and Trazadone for depression. My rheumy told me NOT to take Hydrocodone and changed the Trazadone to Paxil. I think you are right….MDs respond to sales persons. Before I go anyfurther, I would like to find out how I can {I have tried creating rules} have news messages posted from only the past 3 days.  I tried but I am still getting all messages posted from when I first signed on:  June 18. So, I have two questions herein……..need help on both……….Serafina "BEVERLY" <sw…@swbell.net

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hello all, this is for serafina,doctor is worried about her becoming addicitive to

her pain

meds she was taking trazadone and he switch to paxil.it must hve been a

sales

person that visited the Dr. for one would like to here from a doctor that

have

gone thru  the pain we go thru.oh yeh!his buddies would give  him/her

plenty of

pain meds.its almost like they make you feel that there’s nothing wrong

with you

when you no good an well your sick.try a pain clinic and get your meds.and

maybe

some one on one care.good luck<go to your pcp beverly Serafina wrote: Say my rheumy yesterday. …   a thoroughly frustrating experience.  My internist is sure that I have Lupus   1:320, excruciating pain in the

chest

cavity, joints and muscles plus complete exhaustion. Yesterday the rheumy tells me that I have Fibromyalgia and told me to

take

Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive. I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why

should he

completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

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{{{{{{{Seraphina}}}}}}}} My suggestion would be to see another doctor, this one’s not taking you seriously. love, catherine "Serafina" <nappt…@bigfoot.com

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cavity, joints and muscles plus complete exhaustion. Yesterday the rheumy tells me that I have Fibromyalgia and told me to take Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive. I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why should

he

completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

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Thank you…  that is exactly what I intend to do.  THere is a large Lupus clinic with 7 doctors In Asheville N.C.  All they do is work with Lupus Patients. Isn’t is sad that Lupus is so mistreated.  I am sure that if I had AIDS, the doctors would be jumping all over me to HELP.  But for Lupus,  too many doctors pass themselves off as Experts and Gods and most of them have not picked up a Lupus journal or book in over 10 years…. so, what else is new? …….       Serafina "canuckian" <canuckian…@spam.freeze.com

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Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive. I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why

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he completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

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The difference in opinions would definitely be frustrating.  You might try asking them upon what they base their opinions.  After that, you might think about a third opinion.   As for the pain medication, I guess I have a different point of view than your rheumy. I don’t believe there is anything wrong with taking a medication for its intended purpose.  Using a medication appropriately is not abuse.  I also don’t believe in suffering if there is a way to prevent or minimize it.  People who are in constant pain aren’t able to be productive and can end up with poor quality of life.  As to whether one can become an addict while taking a pain medication, I wouldn’t say it couldn’t ever happen.  I do think though that its a secondary concern when someone is suffering from significant pain.  I also don’t believe that addiction itself is a common result of using pain medication appropriately.  Dependence certainly, but not necessarily addiction.  Just my opinion. Anyway, regarding the Paxil versus the Trazadone, you might try consulting a psychiatrist about which would be better.  They’re the true experts when it comes to psychiatric medications.  You might also want to consider asking for a referral to a pain clinic. I’ve known a number of other people who went to pain clinics.  Some were very happy with it and other not.  I don’t know which would be the case for you, but it could be worth a try.   P.S.  My daughter’s first rheumatologist was absolutely certain that my daughter did not have lupus just two weeks before he himself diagnosed her with it (with absolute certainty) and even recommended aggressive treatment. Sandra

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wrote Say my rheumy yesterday. …   a thoroughly frustrating experience.  My internist is sure that I have Lupus   1:320, excruciating pain in the chest cavity, joints and muscles plus complete exhaustion. Yesterday the rheumy tells me that I have Fibromyalgia and told me to take Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive. I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why should he completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

Quote from a talk by a consultant at this year’s Lupus UK conference: *IS* it Lupus? Many of Lupus’s common symptoms overlap with Fibromyalgia (henceforth ‘FM’) also called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome – eg sleep that does not refresh you; vivid dreams; tired-all-day; leaden limbs. Up to 80% of Lupies show FM symptoms. Stress triggers both Lupus and FM. However the treatment is different – in particular, *steroids make FM worse*. For FM, new antidepressant drugs used at 1/20 – 1/10 of full dose can produce refreshing sleep, and also relieve pain that NSAIDs like Aspirin doesn’t. Also, NON-COMPETITIVE exercise is good, ie you don’t try to beat other people, and you don’t set yourself targets like ‘I’ll do 20 lengths today, 21 tomorrow and so on’. end quote Note his point that steroids make Fibromyalgia worse. That’s why your doctors need to get it right! — Andy For Austrian philately <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/austamps/

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hi serafina! so you went to another uncocerned rheumy.dont stop there even though its hard you’ll find one that will listen to you .i had to got to about five doctors before i found a rheumy and he gve me a referral to a pain mgmnt.and thry are just great!i hve sle,fibro ctd,copd and am a mental pt.so i hve many problems.i go to the pain mgnt center on this thursday.there going to inject steriods into my body.i hope its for the best.i’ll let you know.have you ever had brain fog i ask my mental health dr.and she said yes taking all the meds im taking.its possiable.so when i spell somethuing word please try and de code ok. beverly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Serafina wrote:

Say my rheumy yesterday. …   a thoroughly frustrating experience.  My internist is sure that I have Lupus   1:320, excruciating pain in the chest cavity, joints and muscles plus complete exhaustion. Yesterday the rheumy tells me that I have Fibromyalgia and told me to take Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive. I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why should he completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

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Hello well well another doctor jumping the gun on what is wrong with someone. Gee is that news… I am so sorry that you have to go through a whole bunch of stuff before someone sees you as a person as well as a patient. this also happened to me, told fibro and then had xray and was told ruptured disc.  I think some docs find this as a good diagnosis for just about anything.  Although fibro is indeed a debilitating illness. The ANA is not an indicator of lupus, it can be negative, that does not mean that it is or isn;’t lupus.  There are many more test to determine this. Have you tried steroids given by the doctor, if they do help then it may not be fibro.  Fibro is worse when someone takes steroids. Sure the hydocodone is addictive, but if it helps you should ask him why in the world would he want you to be in pain if it does INDEED help you. I would ask him right out.  Do you think I am nuts here???? I have done that, boy they back right down on that.  I also think that if you are not satisfied with this doctor there are others around who will help you A second opinion is always welcome here. What kind of blood tests did he take, get the name,  also ask if he did a sed rate to see if indeed there is inflammation present in the body. Go to KCat, here I go again, and get a list of lab tests necessary. then ask him why in the world would he not want to really check it out. I hope you get some help here. Get another opinion… janers

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Hi Serafina, I can only say that I can understand your frustration,and anger. Perhaps the blood work he ordered will prove him wrong. I think most of us have experienced the same thing. I have often said that the specialists almost have to be hit in the face before they can see it. Get another referral if you are not satisfied;but above all, don’t doubt yourself. I got the runaround for many years too. Then all hell broke loose for me physically,and bingo, a diagnosis. My daughter often asks if it makes me angry because I was not being heard all those years, particularly because the symptoms should have been so obvious. Some times I feel cheated,but I’m still here in spite of all the medical mistakes.You can be sure that I am thinking about you even though we have never met. BJ "Serafina" <nappt…@bigfoot.com

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he

completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

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Say my rheumy yesterday. …   a thoroughly frustrating experience.  My internist is sure that I have Lupus   1:320, excruciating pain in the chest cavity, joints and muscles plus complete exhaustion. Yesterday the rheumy tells me that I have Fibromyalgia and told me to take Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive. I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why should he completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil. I think I want to hit this guy. He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

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This is  a commen problem alot of us have gone through unfortunatly. I went through 4 Rheumies before I found one that took it serious. It is so frustrating I would ask your internist is there another rheumy to see second opinion? Good Luck and hang in there Cindy

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Say my rheumy yesterday. …   a thoroughly frustrating experience.  My internist is sure that I have Lupus   1:320, excruciating pain in the chest cavity, joints and muscles plus complete exhaustion.

your rheumy is seeing a somewhat low positive ANA and deciding that this is reason enough to say "no lupus".  My rheumy responded the same way *on that matter*.  However….

Yesterday the rheumy tells me that I have Fibromyalgia and told me to take Paxil and told me not to take Hydrocodone because it is addicitive.

okay – Paxil is a decent drug for many. Some people see improvement in pain syndromes (be they FMS or SLE Or whatever) with serotonin reuptake inhibitors (Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor).  [note, I did not say "selective" SRIs – Effexor also works on other neurotransmitters).  Effexor relieved my joint pain for about 4 months or less.   This had me believing that it was "all in my head" – but when the pain returned with a vengeance despite continuing on the med, I came away from agreeing with the doctor.  But this doctor is probably assuming that Paxil will lessen your pain and therefore remove your need for trazadone or pain meds.  Trazadone is good for headache problems but not as good for other pain.  Great for sleep though.   you might check with some of the FM support groups to determine if they have had relief from Paxil more so than from Trazadone.

I am going a little nutty….more depressed than ever. Why should I switch from Trazadone to Paxil as he suggests and why should he completely discount Hydrocodone, MGN3, MSM and Flaxseed oil.

I don’t know much about MGN3 and MSM but the Flaxseed Oil is a known anti-inflammatory as well as having other health benefits. I recommend *against* discontinuing it.  ie. – he’s wrong on that one IMO.  As far as getting addicted – well, everyone here that knows me, knows my opinion on this.  Recently two conflicting papers were found in medical journals and depending on the doctor, some took the view I have (you’re in pain, why should you have to suffer, treating pain properly – before it becomes overwhelming – means having to use less pain meds and so on)  some took the other view (pain meds are dangerous, blah, blah, blah).  Gee, can you tell I’m opinionated on this one? for more of my rambling *opinion* you can read my site (new meds, new me) which has a discussion of my experience and what I’ve learned from others about pain meds.  I have taken Lortab (hydrocodone) for 3 years now – as needed.  Some times that meant every day for several weeks, sometimes that meant once a week for several months.  I’ve had one dose in the last three weeks.  so despite three years of access to the drug I have not become addicted or even dependent on it.  I am dependent on Ultram but not addicted – i forget to take it now and then and pay the price.  It is not "recommended" to combine Ultram with SRIs (or other antidepressants) nor with Hydrocodone – but frankly, I’ve had no problem the last three years in taking the occasional Hydrocodone while on a daily dose of Ultram.

I think I want to hit this guy.

be my guest, invite him to my place and we’ll rearrange his thinking…

He took a blood test but says he is POSITIVE that I do NOT have Lupus. Now what?  any suggestions?        thanks,   Serafina

go back to your internist.  Discuss this with him.  Discuss the issues of pain control (there are other methods that can be used in tandem with hydrocodone or in place of it).  I will try to find the articles re: pain control that were posted here some time ago.  My MIL’s doctor agrees with me that chronic sleep and pain problems are undertreated. The thing is, if you’re going to self-medicate (ie., take drugs you don’t need physically because you want them psychologically) you’re going to do it whether it’s hydrocodone or alcohol or chocolate or… get my drift?  Your internist will know your history as far as how you’ve treated your pain meds and since this doctor (rheumy) seems to care little for the discomfort of his patients, then perhaps a pain specialist is in order.  my doc (rheumy) watches my refill pattern and so does the pharmacy – so if I were to start taking the drugs improperly she would know immediately and I’d lose the privelege I have of being allowed to control my own pain. I have found that yoga and other forms of meditation have helped me considerably on joint pain and even the migraines – not a cure by any means, but a good coping mechanism. one last thing to consider – I think rheumies are seeing a *lot* of women with lupus-like symptoms right now as people are becoming more and more aware of the disease via the ‘net mostly.  So I think for some of the there is a sort of backlash – they’ve been taught this is a "rare" disease and are not willing to come away from that outdated thinking.  In addition, some rheumies will refuse to diagnose without major organ involvement because of insurance reasons.  I have learned to live without a firm diagnosis mostly because a) my rhuemy does not discount my pain  b) my rheumy provides plaquenil to help keep flares under control – thereby stating that some sort of autoimmune process is going on and c) I realize that as long as I don’t have that firm diagnosis it means I am not "that" sick.  Hurt like hell sometimes, feel like giving up sometimes, but most of the time aware that these are "mild" symptoms (nothing to do with the level of pain but just the level of risk to my life) and that I can deal with those one way or another.  It is my family doctor that doesn’t like the meds I’m on – but she defers to my rhueumy on this one.  I dont’ know if this is your first rhuematologist visit but if it is, you might consider talking to other lupus patients (and FM and so on) in a local support group to get their feelings on their doctors. kcat the verbose. good luck *********************************** KCat – I am not a medical professional.  The contents of this post are based soley on my experiences and opinions http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/mypage.htm http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/aslfaq20.htm   ("`-”-/").___..–”"`-._   (`6_ 6  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.’`)    (_Y_.)’  ._   )  `._ `. “-..-”   _..`–’_..-_/  /–’_.’ ,’ (()),-”  (()),’    (((.-’

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I am trying Serzone and Visken and am on only the second day. Visken is a beta-blocker with anti-anxiety and   anti-depressant properties. The initial testing of visken with ADs showed good results. People recovered faster than with   antidepressants alone. Visken has to be used only with certain antidepressants, though. Only Paxil, Prozac, Effexor, and   Serzone have been augmented. Of course, the combo has to be studied more, but maybe I am the guinea pig for the   combo. Dr. Bob’s discussion on this showed that 15 mg is the right dose: 5mg three times a day. The side effect profile is   benign. Interestingly, I had a burst of crying in joy today. I never had that with serzone alone, but perhaps its actually the   Serzone that has finally kicked in. If anyone is interested, I will tell you more about the augmentation strategy. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

I’m interested…I tried Serzone but it didn’t help with my OCD. Am now on Effexor-XR. What is Visken? Thanks!

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I am trying Serzone and Visken and am on only the second day. Visken is a beta-blocker with anti-anxiety and   anti-depressant properties. The initial testing of visken with ADs showed good results. People recovered faster than with   antidepressants alone. Visken has to be used only with certain antidepressants, though. Only Paxil, Prozac, Effexor, and   Serzone have been augmented. Of course, the combo has to be studied more, but maybe I am the guinea pig for the   combo. Dr. Bob’s discussion on this showed that 15 mg is the right dose: 5mg three times a day. The side effect profile is   benign. Interestingly, I had a burst of crying in joy today. I never had that with serzone alone, but perhaps its actually the   Serzone that has finally kicked in. If anyone is interested, I will tell you more about the augmentation strategy. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off. i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off. i hate people. i hate myself for fearing people. okay , i’m done ranting. i think i’m gonna go…like…whatever *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep

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i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off. i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off. i hate people. i hate myself for fearing people. okay , i’m done ranting. i think i’m gonna go…like…whatever *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep

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On 26 Aug 1999 02:47:17 GMT, glass…@aol.communist (LiZ) wrote:

i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off.

try saying this "GRRRR!"

i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit.

Bummer, are you going to be able to get them refilled soon, or at least start new meds?

anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off. i hate people. i hate myself for fearing people.

(( you shouldnt feel like that, its not your fault. the best you can do is work at getting better ya know?

okay , i’m done ranting. i think i’m gonna go…like…whatever *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep

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From: glass…@aol.communist  (LiZ) i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit.

Liz, you’re probably right about the med thing…call your p-doc and explain that you’ve been off your meds and ask if s/he might be able to supply you with some sample packets to hold you over, tell them *exactly* how you are feeling…I bet they will come up with something! meanwhile double up on the Xanax! Pam

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Sounds like my worst nightmare. I can relate to that a little bit. I missed one Effexor dose and the next day I was like a frikken junky walking into the pharmacy, shaking and extremely pale looking, with my script. If I had to take another day of that I would have been close to voluntary lock-up. Hope ya get them soon babe. For the time being just sit somewhere quiet, close your eyes and think of the number 1 over and over again Or as Pam says numb your head with Bzo’s. Personally the latter seems like a much more attractive option — Russ "Better living through Chemistry" MzPami <mzp…@aol.com

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From: glass…@aol.communist  (LiZ) i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to

refill

my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. Liz, you’re probably right about the med thing…call your p-doc and

explain

that you’ve been off your meds and ask if s/he might be able to supply you

with

some sample packets to hold you over, tell them *exactly* how you are feeling…I bet they will come up with something! meanwhile double up on the Xanax! Pam

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Hi Liz

i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off.

Congratulations. Me too.

i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to

refill my

meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off.

Don’t do it. Maybe you have a nice head.

i hate people.

I don’t hate (all) people: they hate me.

i hate myself for fearing people.

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One side effect of having spasmodic torticollis which I had not appreciated was the difficulty in finding spectacles. Like many people of my age – 48 – I have difficulty reading without spectacles and I have been short-sighted since I was a teenager.  So I thought I would try varifocal lenses to give me the best of both worlds.

I use varifocal lenses but just with the computer. I haven’t had any problem. I have S.T.,B.T.W. However I found these were very blurred.  An optician friend at the bridge club explained why.  Because of my neck movements I am often looking through the side of my spectacle lenses.  Not all the area of a varifocal lens is intended to be used – just the middle funnel.

Your friend’s explanation seem to be on the mark.  One should not move too much (side to side) with these spectacles.  I have Essential Tremor and only when I purposefully exaggerate the movements will my vision will blur.  Please keep in mind that some of the medications you take for Dystonia will affect your eye site precariously.   Has anyone found the same problem and solved it.  I would love to know. Thanks.

Regards, Gene

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One side effect of having spasmodic torticollis which I had not appreciated was the difficulty in finding spectacles. Like many people of my age – 48 – I have difficulty reading without spectacles and I have been short-sighted since I was a teenager.  So I thought I would try varifocal lenses to give me the best of both worlds. However I found these were very blurred.  An optician friend at the bridge club explained why.  Because of my neck movements I am often looking through the side of my spectacle lenses.  Not all the area of a varifocal lens is intended to be used – just the middle funnel. Has anyone found the same problem and solved it.  I would love to know. Thanks. — David Everett

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what your experiencing are panic attacks, i get them quite often.  i take st. johns wart to help me relax.  jamie

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Hi! My name is Tracy and I had my first anxiety attack a few months ago.  I woke up and felt I was having a heart attack: fast heart beat, sweating, numbness in my right arm, so bad I had to keep it elevated (thinking is would help the circulation.  I even went as far as dialing 911 just in case I dropped dead – I figured it would be the last thing I would hit….thinking it was the end.  Well when I woke up the next morning, happy to be alive, I played with fate, was a lucky person. and really believed I fought a heart was on my way home when those "heart attack symptons" reoccured, only in my mind I played with fate once before  and new something was seriously  wrong even thought as far as of going to the hospital, but figured it would pass by to go….where she asked.  and me a person who hates going to the dr. insisted we go to the hospital immediately.  Of coarse getting everyone panicked, we were off to  the hospital which was fifteen minutes away.  I didn’t think i was going to make it.  We arrived at the Hospital and they admitted me immediately and ran an ekg, and took blood, even a cardiologist came and took blood.  While waiting for my results the doctor thought that I was just having an axiety attack (yeah right I thought)  he later confirmed that it was indeed a axiety attack and that I was hyperventilating.  (i disagreed – I did not think I was breathing out of control – I know what hyperventilating is) My carbon dioxide level and oxygen levels were high and low wich gives you that dizzy feeling. The worse that could of happened was that I passed out. He gave me a prescription and that was it – that was about 5 months ago.  3.  I just had my third axiety attack while out was friends on Saturday….once again happy to be alive and still wonder if my doctor is correct – am I really having axiety attacks or am I having heart problems and because I’m only 31 he won’t pursue more detailed testing.  I don’t want to die –  And I know I’m not crazy.  I am glad to know i’m not the only one who gets these attacks. I felt better only when I read other people’s experiences.  So many friends don’t understand what it feels like, so to read someone else’s experience makes me feel not reality this is really really short.

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Hi Tracy, welcome to our NG!! You are definitely not alone, everyone here is battling against an anxiety disorder of some sort. I myself experienced symptoms which mirror those you have described. I thought I had some sort of heart dysfunction or defect that was going to kill me at any instant. I woke up in the night with it, delt with it in social situations and when I was alone…it really was terrifying. After a complete physical and cardiac examination (by the head of the cardiology dept. in the largest hospital in my province) nothing could be found…I was only 21 yrs old. Well, three years later here I am, alive!!! The only thing is that I am trying to live with Panic Disorder!!! My medication allows me to live a fairly normal life, despite the occasional unexplained anxiety, which I guess is normal. Good luck to you and try to participate in the group I have found it very beneficial!!! all the best jason – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! My name is Tracy and I had my first anxiety attack a few months ago.  I woke up and felt I was having a heart attack: fast heart beat, sweating, numbness in my right arm, so bad I had to keep it elevated (thinking is would help the circulation.  I even went as far as dialing 911 just in case I dropped dead – I figured it would be the last thing I would hit….thinking it was the end.  Well when I woke up the next morning, happy to be alive, I played with fate, was a lucky person. and really believed I fought a heart was on my way home when those "heart attack symptons" reoccured, only in my mind I played with fate once before  and new something was seriously  wrong even thought as far as of going to the hospital, but figured it would pass by to go….where she asked.  and me a person who hates going to the dr. insisted we go to the hospital immediately.  Of coarse getting everyone panicked, we were off to  the hospital which was fifteen minutes away.  I didn’t think i was going to make it.  We arrived at the Hospital and they admitted me immediately and ran an ekg, and took blood, even a cardiologist came and took blood.  While waiting for my results the doctor thought that I was just having an axiety attack (yeah right I thought)  he later confirmed that it was indeed a axiety attack and that I was hyperventilating.  (i disagreed – I did not think I was breathing out of control – I know what hyperventilating is) My carbon dioxide level and oxygen levels were high and low wich gives you that dizzy feeling. The worse that could of happened was that I passed out. He gave me a prescription and that was it – that was about 5 months ago.  3.  I just had my third axiety attack while out was friends on Saturday….once again happy to be alive and still wonder if my doctor is correct – am I really having axiety attacks or am I having heart problems and because I’m only 31 he won’t pursue more detailed testing.  I don’t want to die –  And I know I’m not crazy.  I am glad to know i’m not the only one who gets these attacks. I felt better only when I read other people’s experiences.  So many friends don’t understand what it feels like, so to read someone else’s experience makes me feel not reality this is really really short.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! My name is Tracy and I had my first anxiety attack a few months ago.  I woke up and felt I was having a heart attack: fast heart beat, sweating, numbness in my right arm, so bad I had to keep it elevated (thinking is would help the circulation.  I even went as far as dialing 911 just in case I dropped dead – I figured it would be the last thing I would hit….thinking it was the end.  Well when I woke up the next morning, happy to be alive, I played with fate, was a lucky person. and really believed I fought a heart was on my way home when those "heart attack symptons" reoccured, only in my mind I played with fate once before  and new something was seriously  wrong even thought as far as of going to the hospital, but figured it would pass by to go….where she asked.  and me a person who hates going to the dr. insisted we go to the hospital immediately.  Of coarse getting everyone panicked, we were off to  the hospital which was fifteen minutes away.  I didn’t think i was going to make it.  We arrived at the Hospital and they admitted me immediately and ran an ekg, and took blood, even a cardiologist came and took blood.  While waiting for my results the doctor thought that I was just having an axiety attack (yeah right I thought)  he later confirmed that it was indeed a axiety attack and that I was hyperventilating.  (i disagreed – I did not think I was breathing out of control – I know what hyperventilating is) My carbon dioxide level and oxygen levels were high and low wich gives you that dizzy feeling. The worse that could of happened was that I passed out. He gave me a prescription and that was it – that was about 5 months ago.  3.  I just had my third axiety attack while out was friends on Saturday….once again happy to be alive and still wonder if my doctor is correct – am I really having axiety attacks or am I having heart problems and because I’m only 31 he won’t pursue more detailed testing.  I don’t want to die –  And I know I’m not crazy.  I am glad to know i’m not the only one who gets these attacks. I felt better only when I read other people’s experiences.  So many friends don’t understand what it feels like, so to read someone else’s experience makes me feel not reality this is really really short.

What you desecribe is the classic beginning of Panic Disorder. Yes, you have panic attacks. The thing to do is see a psychiatrist who is specialized in anxiety disorders (is there a university clinic in your area? often a good bet), get properly diagnosed and prescribed some meds. I’m sorry to welcome you to ASAP, the club nobody wants to belong to but everybody is glad exists ) Philip

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Hi.  I am also a new comer to this group.  Let me tell you a little about what I have gone through.  After my daughter (I was 25 ) was born 23 years ago I started to feel the same way you did, losing my breath, feeling very weird like I was losing my mind and completely out of contro.  So I also went to the doctor and he told me I was having a panic attack and maybe I needed to take some time off work.  I did but the panic attacks were still happening.  I got to a point where I didn’t want to go anywhere (and that is  not me I love to go out and have fun).  So after going to the doctor a million times and to the emergency room because I thought I was having a heart attack or I had some other life threatening disease, I finally read some books and told myself I tired of this and I want it to stop.  So with the help of medication called Tranxene and a lot of hard work on my part I finally felt better.  It took me a long time.  Now 20 years later my attacks have come back. (I’m trying to keep this short) I think the reason is this.  A year and half ago my husband at 46 suffered a massive heart attack.  He is doing fine, but it was the worst thing I have ever gone through.  I held up pretty well until 6 months later.  I started driving to work, my hands and feet got clammy I started to get that weird feeling of losing control and burst into tears.  I was so scared to drive.  I finally called my boss and had him drive me to the doctor.  It was the same thing panic attack!!  He put me on Tranxene (I am not a very good pill taker).  I have been on it since last May.  I stopped taking it about 2 weeks ago and just 3 days ago I started those feelings.  So I am going to take it regularly and get myself back on track.  I have been to a shrink and I got nothing out of it.  I have found that having someone to talk to and keeping myself busy helps.  The problem with me is I worry about everyone and think I can fix the world.  I have been where you are  and I know you will be ok.  It’s just so frightening.  I hope I have helped you in some way and if you every want to talk more e-mail me.  Nothing like this was every available when I first started my panic attacks and being able to talk to someone and knowing they have felt the same way you have does help.  I wish you the best and do know you are ok.  I have to remember to think positive.. Take care…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m a new comer to this group & was wondering if I could get some explanation as to what a panic attack is. I guess I can start off by saying what I have experienced & go from there. I’ll try to keep it short. About a year ago while driving to work (at night, I work midnights) I started losing my breath, feeling very wierd, my arms were going numb, thoughts of wanting to kill myself (which is definately not me!!) i thought i was having a heart attack (I’m 39 now) I made it to work but was to shakey i couldnt cope, went home but was just dazed & confused. I went to my doctor & she said i had a panic attack. I had one similar several days afterwards but wasnt as bad and i tried hard to control myself, after all both times I was driving!! So that was it, back to the doctor & have been on 50mg of Zoloft since. Now I was supposed to start weening off the zoloft this month & what happens, I have one of these attacks at work. So now i’m still on it. I am going to go see a shrink I guess, i dont want it to get worse, I’m getting to the point where I am almost scared of driving & going to work. I feel very strongly that it is my midnight shift that is doing this to me, because I cant think of anything else that it could be. Is there anyone else out there that works nights that is going through this?? The zoloft is good though & i have been very reassured that it is a safe drug to stay on for many years if needed, but i would like to get off it. If anyone has taken the time to read my long storey get back to me with your storey or thoughts I would appreciate it. Thanks & think positive!!!

Hi Frank, Welcome to ASAP! A panic attack can be a very  individual thing. Your attack does sound like a Panic attack. Mine are different, I get very hot, flushed, dizzy, off-balance, shaky, can`t concentrate and tingling sensations in my fingers. I think I either am going to die or go crazy. I think you should see a Pdoc, one that is knowledgeable in anxiety disorders. CBT therapy is a very good compliment with medication. You might want to give serious thought to increasing your Zoloft dose. You are on a very low therapeutic dose, and you are experiencing alot of discomfort still. You might want to get a script for a benzo to be used on a "as needed" basis. Doing CBT, increasing your Zoloft and getting a benzo, could really get you back on your feet again. Yes, you can stay on Zoloft for a long time. About getting off meds, first you need to get better and be better for awhile, before you think of getting off meds. Some of us need meds for the rest of our lives, others need it on and off, depending on setbacks and remissions, and then there are some that are on meds for awhile, get off the meds, and never need them again. Unfortunately, you won`t know, until you go off I am not sure that the night shift "caused" your anxiety, although it could be a contributing factor. I use to work the graveyard shift in a nursing home, and I didn`t like the way it made me feel. It wasn`t anxiety, I just felt off. After a few months I begged to get off that shift, and I felt much better. If you can, change your hours, maybe a note from your doctor could help with that. Take Care and good luck!! Jackie

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Hi I’m a new comer to this group & was wondering if I could get some explanation as to what a panic attack is. I guess I can start off by saying what I have experienced & go from there. I’ll try to keep it short. About a year ago while driving to work (at night, I work midnights) I started losing my breath, feeling very wierd, my arms were going numb, thoughts of wanting to kill myself (which is definately not me!!) i thought i was having a heart attack (I’m 39 now) I made it to work but was to shakey i couldnt cope, went home but was just dazed & confused. I went to my doctor & she said i had a panic attack. I had one similar several days afterwards but wasnt as bad and i tried hard to control myself, after all both times I was driving!! So that was it, back to the doctor & have been on 50mg of Zoloft since. Now I was supposed to start weening off the zoloft this month & what happens, I have one of these attacks at work. So now i’m still on it. I am going to go see a shrink I guess, i dont want it to get worse, I’m getting to the point where I am almost scared of driving & going to work. I feel very strongly that it is my midnight shift that is doing this to me, because I cant think of anything else that it could be. Is there anyone else out there that works nights that is going through this?? The zoloft is good though & i have been very reassured that it is a safe drug to stay on for many years if needed, but i would like to get off it. If anyone has taken the time to read my long storey get back to me with your storey or thoughts I would appreciate it. Thanks & think positive!!!

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Frank, My first anxiety attack was about 5 1/2 years ago while I was driving. Like you I thought I was having a heart attack.  I didn’t want to kill myself but was sure I must be dying.  I had a lot of stresses in my life at that time so once I realized that it was anxiety attacks I was having  I did go to a therapist. I also take Zoloft.  I started at 50 mg but have decreased it to 25 mg.  I have tried to wean off it several times and each time I have a panic attack.  I don’t like taking meds all the time but I believe it is better than going through the feelings of panic and constant anxiety. So who knows how long I will take this stuff.  I feel pretty good when I am on it. I do have times when I don’t feel as well but everyone has good and bad days whether or not they have PA’s. Do you have any particular stressful things going on in your life?  Or did you when the panic attacks started?  It might be a good idea to find a pdoc who specializes in anxiety who can help you to recognize possible triggers. The one thing about panic attacks is that they seem to strike "out of the blue" and that is the most frustrating part about them.  Because you don’t know when you’ll have one you sometimes start to avoid situations where you had one before. (Like driving, grocery shopping, eating in a restaurant)  It is a vicious (sp?) circle but you know what? You are NOT ALONE.  And you will get through them. Good luck and keep us posted. Nori — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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The zoloft is good though & i have been very reassured that it is a safe drug to stay on for many years if needed, but i would like to get off it.

Frank, Is medication the only way you are managing? Not that I am knocking it! I am using three different meds, myself. But I am also doing something that I did not do the last time I was in remission from panic. I am now making the effort to learn Cognitive Behavioral techniques. A few years ago, the med of my dreams rid me of Panic, General Anxiety and Agoraphobia for just over a year. But it did not last, I started having breakthrough attacks and didn’t have the skills that I have since gained in controlling the symptoms. Changing my thoughts, correcting my breathing, muscular relaxation and slowing my heart beat are things I have become pretty good at, but not perfect. And there are many more symptoms that I must work with. I would just like to suggest that you get yourself some long lasting coping skills before going off of your med. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy has worked for so many. Some without any meds. But I believe combining the two is very powerful. My two cents and wishing you well, Kathryn

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Hi Frank, The following a criteria for panic attacks recently distributed in a brochure to Australian GPs A discrete period of intense fear or discomfort, in which four (or more) of the following symptoms developed abruptly and reached a peak within 10 minutes:     palpitations, pounding heart, or accelerated heart rate     sweating     trembling or shaking     sensations of shortness of breath or smothering     feeling of choking     chest pain or discomfort     nausea or abdominal distress     feeling dizzy, unsteady, lightheaded, or faint     feelings of unreality or being detached from oneself     feelings of losing control or going crazy     fear of dying     paraesthesia (numbness or tingling sensation)     chills or hot flushes I reckon I have experienced each and every one of these! Given that your symptoms are recurring I suggest that you discuss your medication, dosage, with your doctor. It doesn’t sound like a good time to wean off. I am also experiencing a recurrence of some symptoms, in particular situations, so my medication is being reviewed. I guess where lucky that our conditions are treatable. Take care, Meryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m a new comer to this group & was wondering if I could get some explanation as to what a panic attack is. I guess I can start off by saying what I have experienced & go from there. I’ll try to keep it short. About a year ago while driving to work (at night, I work midnights) I started losing my breath, feeling very wierd, my arms were going numb, thoughts of wanting to kill myself (which is definately not me!!) i thought i was having a heart attack (I’m 39 now) I made it to work but was to shakey i couldnt cope, went home but was just dazed & confused. I went to my doctor & she said i had a panic attack. I had one similar several days afterwards but wasnt as bad and i tried hard to control myself, after all both times I was driving!! So that was it, back to the doctor & have been on 50mg of Zoloft since. Now I was supposed to start weening off the zoloft this month & what happens, I have one of these attacks at work. So now i’m still on it. I am going to go see a shrink I guess, i dont want it to get worse, I’m getting to the point where I am almost scared of driving & going to work. I feel very strongly that it is my midnight shift that is doing this to me, because I cant think of anything else that it could be. Is there anyone else out there that works nights that is going through this?? The zoloft is good though & i have been very reassured that it is a safe drug to stay on for many years if needed, but i would like to get off it. If anyone has taken the time to read my long storey get back to me with your storey or thoughts I would appreciate it. Thanks & think positive!!!

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Hello All! Dear Participant I am a student at a university in Colorado Springs Colorado.  I am required to complete a research project. This project is close to my heart since I have been divorced twice, both times it was not my choice.  This research involves no-fault divorce and its effect on the family.

Dennis’ survey is available in online/browser format at: http://www.10mb.com/jbarchuk/opinion/ Under the category ‘Family’. Have a day! — jim barchuk http://www.10mb.com/jbarchuk/

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I <<<think this was a typo…. =15. Divorce eliminates dad relationships reducing stress in the parents =allowing them to better their economical status. = =       ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD Or was it? David

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Dear Participant I am a student at a university in Colorado Springs Colorado.  I am required to complete a research project. This project is close to my heart since I have been divorced twice, both times it was not my choice.  This research involves no-fault divorce and its effect on the family. All data for the project is held in strict confidence.  Your name and other identification are not requested.  The results will not be sold, formally published or used for comercial profit.  However the completed project will be bound and placed in the University’s library. By completing the questionnaire youare giving consent for this information to be used in my research. Dennis N. Rosas I am going to post results in this new group, however if you would like one sent to you check here______ and I will e-mail you a copy.   Male_____               Age_____ Female_____             Have you ever been divorced_____ Please answer the following questions by indicating the response that most closely resembles your thought on the statement that is given.  Please return questionnaire by returning them to Dennis N. Rosas.  Thank you for your participation in this project.  I will post result in this new group on or about 19 May 1997. Use the following guide to respond to the statements: SA – Strongly Agree A- Agree U – Uncertain D – Disagree SD – Strongly Disagree 1.  No-fault divorce has increased problems with today’s youths.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 2.  No-fault divorce negatively effects the emotional well being of teenagers.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 3.  Young adults who come from a divorced home have trouble in future relationships.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 4.  Because society accepts divorce and the breakdown in the family, divorce is more acceptable            now.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 5.  No-fault divorce has placed more children at risk of behavioral disorders.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 6.  Societies mores have nothing to do with the divorce rate.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 7.  Adolescents who come from a broken home understand what it takes to have a good        relationship.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 8.  No-fault divorce eliminates bad relationships preventing undue stress on adolescents.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 9.  Breakdown of society has led to increased pressure on the family unit increasing divorce rates.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 10.  No-fault divorce allows bad marriages to end quickly eliminating stress in the family unit that         could cause negative affects.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 11.  The effect of divorce on teenagers causes increases in failed relationships as adults.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 12.  Quick and easy divorces have little effect on future relationships of young adults.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 13.  Divorce causes undue economical stress on all parties involved.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 14.  Societies view on divorce has nothing to do with the divorce rate.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 15. Divorce eliminates dad relationships reducing stress in the parents allowing them to better             their economical status.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD 16.  No-fault divorce has had no effect on raising children.         ___SA      ___A     ___U      ___D      ___SD

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