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Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny
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Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny
The problem, Denny, is that they convince you it’s just a couple more months every couple more months, until you’ve realized you’ve had 4 tests, 8 docs, 3 psychiatrists to top it off, and a pulmonary specialist who’s never read a single bit of research on Xyrem telling your psychiatrist (who knows better and tells you he just doesn’t want to conflict with his hospital collegue) not to treat you with something that is very likely to turn your life around. People who are tired have a life long condition, low patient outcomes by docs and patients alike, this leads patients being convinced they’re being helped by simply repeating the same tests, or getting a new diagnosis that meant the same thing as the one that replaced it 15 years ago. Treating you and validating your need for treatment are separate parts, and while I understand you need to wean off Effexor, your doc hasn’t told you you’ll need to wait a few weeks after that to have a PSG, wait 3 weeks for that to be analyzed, another appt. with your doc to follow-up on it (where all he does is order a titration study he could’ve done over the phone) and another few weeks to book that and then 7 weeks for you to E-Mail the doc to ask why you haven’t received your report or prescription yet, a lie that an E-Mail went out much earlier, and a week for the CPAP to be installed, then a few weeks for the correct mask to come replace the nasal mask, then several weeks to notice if the CPAP alone will do a darn thing. I’m at this last point, and crossing my fingers after a year of this nonsense.
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Hi Denny- I’m sorry the other poster is having such a terrible time- but it certainly isn’t the usual. (Unfortunately it’s not rare either.) But to give you another experience, I went from my first call for an appointment to having my CPAP in about 2 months. (I know that’s exceptional in the opposite way.) Actually, since you need two weeks to get off the Effexor, you’re moving along in the process pretty quickly. It does seem that this guy is more knowledgeable and taking into account a much wider range of issues. Sleep docs have very specialized knowledge that others just don’t. Especially ENTs who SEEM like they would because they know about that part of the body and therefore people take their advice when they really don’t know SLEEP issues that stem from that part of the body. A perfect example of "A little knowledge can be dangerous". So anyway- enough preaching. Hope the rest goes as quickly as the beginning. Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ganishe wrote:
In article <528dc7b4.0311131829.3ef62…@posting.google.com, impala4sp…@hotmail.com (Denny) wrote: Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny The problem, Denny, is that they convince you it’s just a couple more months every couple more months, until you’ve realized you’ve had 4 tests, 8 docs, 3 psychiatrists to top it off, and a pulmonary specialist who’s never read a single bit of research on Xyrem telling your psychiatrist (who knows better and tells you he just doesn’t want to conflict with his hospital collegue) not to treat you with something that is very likely to turn your life around. People who are tired have a life long condition, low patient outcomes by docs and patients alike, this leads patients being convinced they’re being helped by simply repeating the same tests, or getting a new diagnosis that meant the same thing as the one that replaced it 15 years ago. Treating you and validating your need for treatment are separate parts, and while I understand you need to wean off Effexor, your doc hasn’t told you you’ll need to wait a few weeks after that to have a PSG, wait 3 weeks for that to be analyzed, another appt. with your doc to follow-up on it (where all he does is order a titration study he could’ve done over the phone) and another few weeks to book that and then 7 weeks for you to E-Mail the doc to ask why you haven’t received your report or prescription yet, a lie that an E-Mail went out much earlier, and a week for the CPAP to be installed, then a few weeks for the correct mask to come replace the nasal mask, then several weeks to notice if the CPAP alone will do a darn thing. I’m at this last point, and crossing my fingers after a year of this nonsense.
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normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test.
it’s great that your doc is concerned about REM/deep sleep issues…….so many times here we hear of people’s results saying "no stage 3+4 sleep" yet the doctors completely ignore it. Problem is our bodies really need the restorative stages of sleep…..that’s when the majority of our body’s healing is done Be sure to let us know how it goes — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply
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On 13 Nov 2003 18:29:25 -0800, impala4sp…@hotmail.com (Denny) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
Finally saw a certfied sleep doctor last Monday. After dealing with my family doc and an ENT that wants to do surgery, it was refreshing to meet with a real sleep specialist. He went over my history with me, reviewed my 2 1/2 year old sleep study and gave me a thorough exam. He told me under no circumstance would he recommend any kind of surgery for me. He feels that the CPAP will do the job for me, but to be absolutely sure, he has scheduled another sleep study. This will be at a different sleep center than my previous study, one that he normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test.
If you read the clinical information on venlafaxine (Effexor), the two week period has to do also with trying to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I like the fact that he picked up on this from reading my previous study and wants to eliminate it as a possibility. If first impressions mean anything, I got a real feeling of confidence with this guy. The sleep study is scheduled for Dec. 12th. Didn’t want to wait this long, but it’s necessary so that I can get off Effexor first. Who knows, I might really get somewhere this time instead of being told there’s nothing really wrong. I’ll keep you updated with what happens. Denny
It’s also worth noting that poor sleep as a result of OSA can have a significant negative impact in general on metabolism, can result in irritability and general outlook on things. So, if your sleep problems can be improved or resolved, it could be a benefit all round for you. Definitely this exercise is worth doing…… .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl
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wrote in message <news:bp2u6d$1k9pg9$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… normally works with. One of the reasons for another study is that besides the obstructive events due to the upper airway resistance syndrome, he also noticed abnormalities with my REM and non-REM sleep. Apparently I never get into the restful sleep, obviously making daytime exhaustion worse. Since I’ve been on Effexor for depression for the last few years, he wants to make sure that it’s not the cause of the REM sleep problems. Therefore I’m gradually weaning off the Effexor. I need to be completely off of it for 2 full weeks or more prior to the test. it’s great that your doc is concerned about REM/deep sleep issues…….so many times here we hear of people’s results saying "no stage 3+4 sleep" yet the doctors completely ignore it. Problem is our bodies really need the restorative stages of sleep…..that’s when the majority of our body’s healing is done Be sure to let us know how it goes — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply
Thanks everyone. I appreciate the responses and concerns. Denny
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I have been taking Serzone for at least 3 months. Before that i took Zoloft very briefly. I had a lot of side effects on Zoloft. Started out on 50mg of Serzone now at 300mg. I havnt noticed any strong reaction one way or another. No real bad side effects and no real help for sp. No weight gain. I think I have been feeling alittle less anxious- like I dont care as much what people think. I do feel alittle tired during the day tho but I cant say for sure its because of that. My therapist recommends I go a higher dose -she thinks I will feel more of an affect then. We shall see. Renee
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From: zkwyed1 zkwyed1NOzkS…@yahoo.co I’ve been taking Serzone for about two months now. Before that I had taken Wellbutrin for about two months. On the Wellbutrin I was having a lot of trouble sleeping and problems with trembling and feeling on edge, not to mention it didn’t help with anxiety much. So I switched to Serzone which helps sleeping a lot, in fact one of the problems I had the first couple of weeks was that I could hardly wake up. I could shut of my alarm after eight hours of sleep and still sleep for hours after that… my bed would just call to me with some sort of siren song thing…
LOL. I know that feeling. I’ve been taking it 2 weeks now and I still have a hard time waking up. I’m hoping that will pass. Today (Saturday) I slept till 10:00 am ! I haven’t done that in a long time. I am feeling very sluggish tho. and I’m really hoping that will go away.
That was the only problem I had with weight gain, I felt like a giant slug and didn’t want to move much. It has gotten a lot better in that regard. In fact, I would say that if you’re someone with anxiety, Serzone doesn’t add the tense jittery feeling that Wellbutrin seemed to for me. That is definitely only my opinion.
I don’t feel the least bit jittery on this med : ) I didn’t understand about the weight gain, did you gain weight on this med?? I’m asking because my doc told me I would gain weight on this one. (that’s what they all say, huh)
On another note, I have been lurking about eight months here, and I appreciate being able to read what everyone posts here. Every single one of you is important to those of us who reads these posts but hasn’t gotten to the point of interacting here. Thanks to all of you and good luck to everyone. The quiet one.
Thanks quiet one, I hope you delurk again *soon* : ) Pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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From: g…@execpc.com (Doug) Pam, I took 100 to 150 mg of Serzone along with 40 mg of Paxil per day for almost two years. I used the Serzone to try to help me sleep, which it did, but because it was mixed with the Paxil, I can’t isolate what it did for me besides helping me to sleep better.
Doug, I see….well although it’s been way to soon, that is about all I’m seeing from it too. But it’s still ealry Pam
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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
I’ve been taking Serzone for about two months now. Before that I had taken Wellbutrin for about two months. On the Wellbutrin I was having a lot of trouble sleeping and problems with trembling and feeling on edge, not to mention it didn’t help with anxiety much. So I switched to Serzone which helps sleeping a lot, in fact one of the problems I had the first couple of weeks was that I could hardly wake up. I could shut of my alarm after eight hours of sleep and still sleep for hours after that… my bed would just call to me with some sort of siren song thing… That was the only problem I had with weight gain, I felt like a giant slug and didn’t want to move much. It has gotten a lot better in that regard. In fact, I would say that if you’re someone with anxiety, Serzone doesn’t add the tense jittery feeling that Wellbutrin seemed to for me. That is definitely only my opinion. On another note, I have been lurking about eight months here, and I appreciate being able to read what everyone posts here. Every single one of you is important to those of us who reads these posts but hasn’t gotten to the point of interacting here. Thanks to all of you and good luck to everyone. The quiet one. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
Back in my NIMH days, I was put on Serzone for a while. I can’t say that it did much of anything, for good or for ill. Craig
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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
Pam, I took 100 to 150 mg of Serzone along with 40 mg of Paxil per day for almost two years. I used the Serzone to try to help me sleep, which it did, but because it was mixed with the Paxil, I can’t isolate what it did for me besides helping me to sleep better.
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I too went from Remeron to Serzone but for different reasons. The first couple of months on Serzone I couldn’t stand the sight of food. That’s the good part. The bad part was that it made me very nervous and irritable. I stuck it out and by month 3 I was feeling pretty good and the sp was tolerable. Unfortunatly I also got my appetite back (w/o weight gain) Sad to say I developed a serious side effect after 6 months and had to quit taking it. So it’s back to hit and miss with the meds again. I hope you have good luck with it. Gina * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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That happens when they find out I’m a cheap date! You what??? (What are you on today? I think I want some.) — Connie=^..^= : i love you : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : :
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True, true! And I have no brain to mouth filter. You’d have fun with that ! And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca
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I took it for almost 2 yrs. It worked for the insomnia, but towards the end , it gave me hot flashes and daytime drowsiness. "Erleichda" <70471.1…@compuserve.com
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I see, you like it when they’re passed out? — Connie=^..^= "Ian" <i…@ian.net
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Could you had gotten any less? — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca
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i expected nothing less On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:44:52 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
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hmm, a rhetorical question with an answer. You trying to trick me into thinking again? Ain’t gonna work this time, pal — Connie=^..^= : then your question has an answer : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:15:43 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
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then your question has an answer On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:15:43 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
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ok , f…@pris.ca On Wed, 15 May 2002 03:52:14 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
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ok On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:53:48 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
wrote: mee too! — Connie=^..^= : : : i love you : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : True, true! : : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : : You’d have fun with that ! : : : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : i like a babbler , : : : check out my track record around here . : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : Heck, : : : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : : : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me : a : : : shot, and I’ll pass out. : : : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost : no : : : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I : : take : : : it : : : : : before : : : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for : chronic : : : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and : side : : : : effects : : : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
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wrote: Heck, Half a beer, and I’m drunk. Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a shot, and I’ll pass out. Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! — Connie=^..^= : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : if you break it in half . : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : — : Connie=^..^= : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : well it did that to me , : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I take it : : before : : : I go to sleep. : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : insomnia. : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : effects : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
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wrote: True, true! And I have no brain to mouth filter. You’d have fun with that ! And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : i like a babbler , : check out my track record around here . : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : Heck, : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a : shot, and I’ll pass out. : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I take : it : : : before : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : : effects : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
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I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I take it before I go to sleep. I like being on it. — Connie=^..^= : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic : insomnia. : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side effects : you might have experienced. :
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: Hi, I am new here and I am grateful that there are newsgroups available : to share these panic and anxiety experiences. : I have been diagnosed with having a severe depression episode and also : am having panic and anxiety attacks. Primarily while I am driving : to work. My doctor gave me some medication called effexor to try and : it made me sick to my stomach and really spaced out. Needless to say : I only took those once. When I went back and told him that they were awful : he gave me some zoloft. I took one of those and I got a dry mouth, : and felt ’speedy’ and not really like myself. I also felt sick to : my stomach and frankly I didn’t like it at all. Is this the way : antidepressants are? Do you always have to feel like a glassy eyed : sick zombie? I guess I am just wondering if this is normal? The : thought of taking medication in the first place is troubling to me, : let alone having myself turn in to some space cadet. Hi Kelly, I’m currently taking Luvox and desipramine for panic disorder and depression. I too was reluctant to take meds at first but now I’m so relieved to be on them. The Luvox made me very sleepy and nauseated, but that subsided within a couple of weeks. With desipramine I was definitely "spacey" (prob. due to lowered blood pressure) but that went away pretty quickly as well. Most side effects go away within a couple of weeks. I like to think of them as signs that the drugs are working–i.e. they’re starting to change my body chemistry. I’m probably completely off base but it works for me. 
Please try to ride out the side effects if you can–I have some ideas on how to make them better. You’ll feel a lot better, and knowing the SEs are temporary will give you incentive to stick with them. Going on and off meds is going to do you more harm than good, IMHO. Feel free to email anytime. Doris — Doris Ostendorf "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you." C.G. Jung
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You might want to look in Imipramine. It is pretty mild and works very good. You will notice dry mouth but hey that is why we have water. Thomas
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am new here and I am grateful that there are newsgroups available to share these panic and anxiety experiences. I have been diagnosed with having a severe depression episode and also am having panic and anxiety attacks. Primarily while I am driving to work. My doctor gave me some medication called effexor to try and it made me sick to my stomach and really spaced out. Needless to say I only took those once. When I went back and told him that they were awful he gave me some zoloft. I took one of those and I got a dry mouth, and felt ’speedy’ and not really like myself. I also felt sick to my stomach and frankly I didn’t like it at all. Is this the way antidepressants are? Do you always have to feel like a glassy eyed sick zombie? I guess I am just wondering if this is normal? The thought of taking medication in the first place is troubling to me, let alone having myself turn in to some space cadet. The good thing was I was definitely not depressed anymore. I was too sick and stoned to feel anything!!! thanks for listening — kel
Antidepressants work differently for different people. Unfortunately, doctors sometimes have to try different drugs on some people to find the right one. I was diagnosed as being severly depressed and an accompanying anxiety disorder to boot. I was given Prozac first which made me feel MUCH worse (I literally "crashed" and had horrible anxiety problems as well). After being admitted to the hospital, I was given Luvox (a close cousin of Prozac and was almost brand new on the market at the time) which seemed to do the trick after a few weeks. Mind you I was a virtual zombie since I was on way too high a dose! Doctors don’t seem to pay too much attention to psychiatric patients in the hospital. I was mostly just very, very tired from the Luvox and a bit of a dry mouth. The dry mouth went away pretty quickly but since I was on other meds as well, it may or may not have been the Luvox. My guess is that it was. After my hospital stay, another psychitrist (who actually listened!) saw that I was zombified by the dose and cut it down from 150mg to 100mg. It’s been just over a year and I’m now down to 50mg (so far so good!) and I take an Ativan (.5mg) once in a while when I need it. So it may just be a case of finding the right drug for you. It’s bizarre how greatly the side effects are from drug to drug even though they are all very similar (Prozac, Luvox, Zoloft, Effexor). The dose your doctor gave you might be a bit too high – but i guess you have to be on them for a while for them to consider that. I don’t know if this helps you at all other than the fact that many of us here have gone through/going through the same thing! Take heart – you’ll get better! And the crap wears off – really! Thomas
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My doctor gave me some medication called effexor to try and it made me sick to my stomach and really spaced out. Needless to say I only took those once….
Many side effects can be reduced by s*l*o*w*l*y increasing dosages to the desired level. Discuss this with your doctor. I guess I am just wondering if this is normal?
Many people have trouble (real or imagined) with "normal" drug dosing. Mike Creswick Practical Software Solutions Member Association of Online Professionals Member HTML Writers’ Guild
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l. Is this the way antidepressants are? Do you always have to feel like a glassy eyed sick zombie? I guess I am just wondering if this is normal?
Hi Kelly, Usually, one starts with a very low (subtherapeutic) dose of these meds in order to minimize the side effects, and gradually increase it as your body gets more comfortable with the medicine. Yes…it is kind of rough in the beginning, but usually these side effects go away after a week or two, and the dosage can be gently increased to a therapeutic level. I had the same problem with Zoloft, and after a few weeks I felt fine and am able to things I haven’t done in 8 years. Good luck! Andy
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Hi, I am new here and I am grateful that there are newsgroups available to share these panic and anxiety experiences. I have been diagnosed with having a severe depression episode and also am having panic and anxiety attacks. Primarily while I am driving to work. My doctor gave me some medication called effexor to try and it made me sick to my stomach and really spaced out. Needless to say I only took those once. When I went back and told him that they were awful he gave me some zoloft. I took one of those and I got a dry mouth, and felt ’speedy’ and not really like myself. I also felt sick to my stomach and frankly I didn’t like it at all. Is this the way antidepressants are? Do you always have to feel like a glassy eyed sick zombie? I guess I am just wondering if this is normal? The thought of taking medication in the first place is troubling to me, let alone having myself turn in to some space cadet. The good thing was I was definitely not depressed anymore. I was too sick and stoned to feel anything!!! thanks for listening — kel
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I have been diagnosed with having a severe depression episode and also am having panic and anxiety attacks. Primarily while I am driving to work. My doctor gave me some medication called effexor to try and it made me sick to my stomach and really spaced out. Needless to say I only took those once. When I went back and told him that they were awful he gave me some zoloft.
Hmm, sounds to me like your doctor didnt explain things fully too you. Anti-depresssents are renown for making you feel really grotty for the first few days however the key is to bear with them and things should sort themselves out in a week or so. The amount of grottyness you experience depends on the family of anti-depressants your particular one belongs too. I am taking Seroxat 20mg ( Peroxatine) which I admit I have never heard mentioned here. My current specialist is one of the most senior psycotherapists in London (he’s on the NHS too, for all you UK chaps out there.. a miricle!!) and he was telling me that this is now the leading drug used to combat anxiety and panic disorders.Apparently for all the hype Prozac is in fact as he put it " a pretty crude" drug and though good at treating depression is not so good at treating anxiety and panic disorder. Anyway he fully explained the side effects and though a bit like having hangover because I expected them I coped ok and now I take them without any problems. Thankfully they seem to be having the desired effect. What was more imprsssive and actually helped me have faith in my therapist and the drugs was the fact that when I returned to see him after a couple of weeks he suggested how I should have felt day by day and indeed myu own personal notes mirrored this. It’s 3 months on now and I have to admit I’m in much better shape and closer to my old self after 2 years of hell. Try to stick with the drugs if you can. About a year after my first panic attack my own local doctor gave me Seroxat to take while I waited for my fisrt appointment with a behavioural therapist. Unfortuantely he didnt describe the side effects properly and of course I became even more panicy when they started and stopped taking them. I wish I’d stayed with them …perhaps I could have saved myself another 12 months of grief. Good luck….things do get better…eventually..just keep on fighting Paul
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started taking zoloft for my panic attacks, I have been on xanax for three months, I was just wondering if anyone has experienced the feeling of not really feeling like your in your right mind, almost like your peering through a glass at the rest of the world when you first started taking anti-depressant medications and does it get better with time? It almost feels like I’m in my mind but I’m really not,, Oh well sorry to take up your time on a stupid question, it just kinda worries me, any help or support would be greatly appreciated….. Thanks Paul Florida
Yes, I have experienced that. Many of us call it the "Zombie" brain feeling. Clouded thinking is a beginning side-effect that many Zoloft users experience. It does go away for some. You just have to stay on it for awhile to see if the sun gets brighter or dimmer. If you don’t feel better, like say after 8 weeks on a therapeutic dose, talk to your doctor. Matter of fact, it’s always a good plan to call your doctor or pharmacist for any side-effects. Mel
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Not a stupid question at all. I get that brain-fogged feeling from a lot of medications; indeed, it it also a symptom of anxiety in the first place. If you only get it as a medication side effect, I would give it a couple of weeks to see if it goes away, as many side effects disappear or become more tolerable as one adjusts to the medication. If on the other hand it is unbearable, perhaps you should try something different.
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I just started taking zoloft for my panic attacks, I have been on xanax for three months, I was just wondering if anyone has experienced the feeling of not really feeling like your in your right mind, almost like your peering through a glass at the rest of the world when you first started taking anti-depressant medications and does it get better with time? It almost feels like I’m in my mind but I’m really not,, Oh well sorry to take up your time on a stupid question, it just kinda worries me, any help or support would be greatly appreciated…..
Hi Paul, Do you feel like things around you are unreal, or that you are in a dream? It sounds to me like you *might* be having some derealization/depersonalization, which is frightening, but not dangerous. Derealization/depersonalization is the feeling that one is living in a dream, feeling that nothing is real, feeling detached from oneself. It is another symptom of anxiety and I have heard people that start anti-depressants complain of this also. I had this symptom toward the end of my last setback and it is quite frightening. Since being on Paxil I don`t have this symptom except when having a migraine. How much Zoloft are you taking and how many days have you been on Zoloft? This feeling is probably a side-effect of the Zoloft and more than likely will diminish over the next few weeks as your body gets accustomed to the Zoloft. Have you noticed if the Xanax helps this symptom? If you are concerned about this, don`t hesitate to call your doctor. I know that you are worried, but I can assure you that it is not dangerous, just very uncomfortable. It will get better. Take care. Jackie
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I just started taking zoloft for my panic attacks, I have been on xanax for three months, I was just wondering if anyone has experienced the feeling of not really feeling like your in your right mind, almost like your peering through a glass at the rest of the world when you first started taking anti-depressant medications and does it get better with time? It almost feels like I’m in my mind but I’m really not,, Oh well sorry to take up your time on a stupid question, it just kinda worries me, any help or support would be greatly appreciated….. Thanks Paul Florida
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