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I found some info on generic 6MP. Apparently a couple of companies are now manufacturing it: http://www.thinkpharm.com/pharma/preview/detail/index.php?searchtype=…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope everyone is doing well; sorry I haven’t been posting lately, but have a new job and not much ‘puter time. I just got my latest 6-MP rx through the mail as usual.  Instead of the regular round, white pills, these look totally different.  They are diamond-shaped and a different colour.  Anybody else had these?  Haven’t had a chance yet to take one into a pharmacy to check on it, but thought I’d check with you all.  TIA Christine CD

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Thanks for your replies; I feel much better now that I know others have received the same thing.  In addition to now being diamond-shaped, these are an off-white kinda yellowish colour.  The manufacturer of these is Prometheus the bottle says, and I wondered if this was the same Prometheus Labs in CA that does the tests; or at least affiliated. Haven’t started taking the new pills yet, but hopefully will have the same results as Deb – no change Thanks once again! Christine CD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have the pharmacy split them. Mike Hope everyone is doing well; sorry I haven’t been posting lately, but have a new job and not much ‘puter time. I just got my latest 6-MP rx through the mail as usual.  Instead of the regular round, white pills, these look totally different.  They are diamond-shaped and a different colour.  Anybody else had these?  Haven’t had a chance yet to take one into a pharmacy to check on it, but thought I’d check with you all.  TIA Christine CD There are at least two companies making generic Purinethol now.  My Rx bottle now reads Mercaptopurine instead of Purinethol.  The pills are still round and white but now have numbers instead of the Purinethol label. They are also harder to split in half… —john. Drop PANTS before emailing. An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. mgbio

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Hello!  I’ve been taking 6mp for awhile now and when I received my last rx through the mail they were also the diamond shaped ones.  They are a generic form of them and cost a lot less.   Quincy

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Have the pharmacy split them. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope everyone is doing well; sorry I haven’t been posting lately, but have a new job and not much ‘puter time. I just got my latest 6-MP rx through the mail as usual.  Instead of the regular round, white pills, these look totally different.  They are diamond-shaped and a different colour.  Anybody else had these?  Haven’t had a chance yet to take one into a pharmacy to check on it, but thought I’d check with you all.  TIA Christine CD There are at least two companies making generic Purinethol now.  My Rx bottle now reads Mercaptopurine instead of Purinethol.  The pills are still round and white but now have numbers instead of the Purinethol label. They are also harder to split in half…                                                    —john.

Drop PANTS before emailing. An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. mgbio

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Hope everyone is doing well; sorry I haven’t been posting lately, but have a new job and not much ‘puter time. I just got my latest 6-MP rx through the mail as usual.  Instead of the regular round, white pills, these look totally different.  They are diamond-shaped and a different colour.  Anybody else had these?  Haven’t had a chance yet to take one into a pharmacy to check on it, but thought I’d check with you all.  TIA Christine CD

There are at least two companies making generic Purinethol now.  My Rx bottle now reads Mercaptopurine instead of Purinethol.  The pills are still round and white but now have numbers instead of the Purinethol label. They are also harder to split in half…                                                         —john.

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Hope everyone is doing well; sorry I haven’t been posting lately, but have a new job and not much ‘puter time. I just got my latest 6-MP rx through the mail as usual.  Instead of the regular round, white pills, these look totally different.  They are diamond-shaped and a different colour.  Anybody else had these?  Haven’t had a chance yet to take one into a pharmacy to check on it, but thought I’d check with you all.  TIA Christine CD

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Same as my situation. The pharmicist told me about it beforehand. They now have generic or just some other brand 6MP. It costs a lot less. I haven’t noticed any differences. Debs Hope everyone is doing well; sorry I haven’t been posting lately, but have a new job and not much ‘puter time. I just got my latest 6-MP rx through the mail as usual.  Instead of the regular round, white pills, these look totally different.  They are diamond-shaped and a different colour.  Anybody else had these?  Haven’t had a chance yet to take one into a pharmacy to check on it, but thought I’d check with you all.  TIA Christine CD

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I picked up a prescription of 6-MP last week and it was the same, round, white pills I have always had. — Paul Visit our photo albums at http://www.laflammefamily.ca To reply, replace "deadspam.com" with "laflammefamily.ca" — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope everyone is doing well; sorry I haven’t been posting lately, but have a new job and not much ‘puter time. I just got my latest 6-MP rx through the mail as usual.  Instead of the regular round, white pills, these look totally different.  They are diamond-shaped and a different colour.  Anybody else had these?  Haven’t had a chance yet to take one into a pharmacy to check on it, but thought I’d check with you all.  TIA Christine CD

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After reading your post on the allergy group a while back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I’ll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal. Thanks for the suggestions. — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best facility for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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NorthShoreCEO wrote:

What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain.

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NorthShoreCEO wrote: What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know? If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain.

3% Hydrogen Peroxide has been used for decades by millions of people, for cuts and for gargling, to prevent infection and to help remove mucus and phlegm. It is readily available at most super markets, discount stores, retail stores, etc. There are no health warnings on the bottles. If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the proper authorities and warn them.

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"knob" <h…@dontemailme.com wrote in message news:Ouajc.10$Q5.7@fe39.usenetserver.com… NorthShoreCEO wrote: What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know? If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn’t take a chance being so close to the brain. 3% Hydrogen Peroxide has been used for decades by millions of people, for cuts and for gargling, to prevent infection and to help remove mucus and phlegm. It is readily available at most super markets, discount stores, retail stores, etc. There are no health warnings on the bottles. If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the proper authorities and warn them.

I didn’t say hydrogen peroxide was a cancer risk.

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I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from the medical community, but I figured I’d offer my personal experience.

Thanks for sharing your experience.  Yes, I was looking for more scientific feedback, but also for use on longer term use than 30 months.  With all the research I do, I’ve not been able to find anything substantive.

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Hydrogen peroxide can’t be too awfully toxic. I used to got to an alt. med MD who also did IV chelation therapy and I saw many patients in his office do large IV drips of hydrogen peroxide solution and this wasn’t the 3% variety. I think they were doing the IVs to protect their heart. I can’t remember the specific rational because it’s been 10 years or so. I’m sure a Google search would tell you whatever their theory was behind ingesting hydrogen peroxide. I remember some of the patients also drank hydrogen peroxide. — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "NorthShoreCEO" <NorthShore…@aol.com

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What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

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Before western culture learned of it, 3,000 years ago the Yoga did rapid in and out sniffing of saline. They did it very rapidly at a low pressure. Which, essentially is what the Hydro Pulse does . This rapid in and out did stimulate cilia and did remove dust and pollen. Try to teach this today ! good luck. Most patients this gentle low pressure means about 70 PSI which will damage the nose. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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spam2death wrote: I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections. I’m sorry to hear that.  I hope that throwing more and more antibiotics at the problem isn’t the only thing your doctors are doing for you.  The most important thing your doctors should be doine for you, is trying to figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first place.

I’ve had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I’ve also taken desensitization shots several times and taken enough allergy pills to fill a 55 gallon drum. Once any of my sinuses or eustachen tubes clogs securely, an infection won’t be far behind.  I don’t even remember large portions of junior high because I was so zoned out on various allergy pills or sick with repeated sinus infections. My problem with sinus infections is that I probably wait much too long before beginning antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have diarreha so I was only on it two days. I’m taking Tequin now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

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antibiotics? IIRC:  nasal irrigation and surgery.  Pretty much what they do now! The first diagnoses of chronic maxillary sinus infections were first made around the 17th century.  And over time, better and better surgical procedures were devised.  (The Caldwell-Luc surgical procedure, for many years the state-of-the-art in sinus surgery, was invented in the late 19th century.) In the 18th century, doctors realized that some sinus infections were caused by dental abscesses and could be helped by extractions of the upper molars.  Nasal irrigation was employed for the first time in the 18th century too. I remember seeing a couple of pictures of the elaborate mechanical apparatuses they used for nasal irrigation, before the invention of electric irrigators.  One of them was a big tank that was fastened high on the wall, way above your head.  You put the hose into your nose, turned the crank, and gravity and siphoning pulled the water down into your nose and thru your nasopharynx. — Steven L.

I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help. Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses. He had to have repeated major surgeries to try and cure the infection. The infections and related pain eventually cost him his job and career. I’d probably have to be fighting a malignancy before I’d risk surgery, but if I further lost my ability to breathe, I might change my mind. Thanks for the medical history lessons and suggestions.   spam2death

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I’ve had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I’ve also taken desensitization shots several times and taken enough allergy pills to fill a 55 gallon drum. Once any of my sinuses or eustachen tubes clogs securely, an infection won’t be far behind.  I don’t even remember large portions of junior high because I was so zoned out on various allergy pills or sick with repeated sinus infections. My problem with sinus infections is that I probably wait much too long before beginning antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have diarreha so I was only on it two days. I’m taking Tequin now.

Have you seen an ENT?  If so, what did he say?

I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help.

You might find that irrigation works better than spray. I use the Grossan irrigator religiously.  It works better for me than any nasal spray.

Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses.

Hmm, this is a new one for me. What the heck is "incurable MRSA?" Was this one of those brand-new strains of MRSA that’s even resistant to vancomycin? Not all hospitals are as careless as the one you describe.  Many of us have had sinus surgery and we didn’t get MRSA.  But we didn’t go to just any surgeon and just any hospital.  We chose carefully. — Steven L.

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"NorthShoreCEO" wrote: "What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on

tissue?  Does anyone know?" <================================

I’ve flooding my sinuses with a mixture of Hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt for about 30 months, an average of less than twice a month. Total flooding time averages about 15 minutes. After decades of sinus misery, my sinuses have never been better. I’ve also use electro-acupuncture to treat my sinuses, and watch my diet, and I have made changes to my environment, so I can’t attribute my good sinus health to just the flooding. So far, I have not had any bad effects from the contact of the peroxide with my sinuses. I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from the medical community, but I figured I’d offer my personal experience. ===

"Hydrogen peroxide is water with extra oxygen attached. The formula for

water is H2O, and for hydrogen peroxide is H2O2. Another name for hydrogen peroxide would be hydrogen dioxide." <===

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What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue?  Does anyone know?

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"spam2death" wrote: After reading your post on the allergy group a while

back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I’ll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal.  Thanks for the suggestions." << <=============================

When I’ve used too much peroxide, it has caused my sinuses to swell shut for about three straight days. I am careful not to use more than one part peroxide to 10 parts water. Even that much used to sting my sinuses, but not any more. If the powerful anti-infective mixture of peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt can get to the source of infection, or infected material, then it can fight the infection and help to prevent recurring infections. If it can’t get to the source of the infection, then the benefits are limited. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

— "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson "CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net wrote in message news:rcwic.2918$7a5.2178@bignews6.bellsouth.net… After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of

diluted

3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead

down

for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to

the

infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at

Healthboards.com.

There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down

sinus

flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best

facility

for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections. What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of antibiotics? Anyone have a brief explanation of archaic treatments used for sinus infections used in the years before antibiotics? Any medical historians in the group? thanks,    congested to death but still curious — "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"   Thomas Jefferson

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages.  . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months.  . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding", and by who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best facility for discussing  health problems on the Internet.  . To find out more, select one of the following links:  . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210  . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion:  . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765

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spam2death wrote:

I’m currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections.

I’m sorry to hear that.  I hope that throwing more and more antibiotics at the problem isn’t the only thing your doctors are doing for you.  The most important thing your doctors should be doine for you, is trying to figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first place.

What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of antibiotics?

IIRC:  nasal irrigation and surgery.  Pretty much what they do now! The first diagnoses of chronic maxillary sinus infections were first made around the 17th century.  And over time, better and better surgical procedures were devised.  (The Caldwell-Luc surgical procedure, for many years the state-of-the-art in sinus surgery, was invented in the late 19th century.) In the 18th century, doctors realized that some sinus infections were caused by dental abscesses and could be helped by extractions of the upper molars.  Nasal irrigation was employed for the first time in the 18th century too. I remember seeing a couple of pictures of the elaborate mechanical apparatuses they used for nasal irrigation, before the invention of electric irrigators.  One of them was a big tank that was fastened high on the wall, way above your head.  You put the hose into your nose, turned the crank, and gravity and siphoning pulled the water down into your nose and thru your nasopharynx. — Steven L.

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It is nice to know that I’m not alone in my sinus suffering.  I have a chronic infection and am wondering if it is safe to fly with sinusitis.  My son and I are due to fly from London to NY in four weeks and we both have infections now. Does anyone out there know the answer to this? Thanks, MS

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Last year I made 4 trips coast to coast with the sinus infection. I did not have any problems. My guess would be that it will be individuals degree of infection. I know that when I landed in Las Vegas on my way back I sat down on a bench in front of the airport and my sinuses started to drain. I did not have any problems all the time I was there. But afte I arrived back in Pennsylvania I started with the sinuses again.  

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Be very careful.  Because of the changes in air pressure, it can cause some problems.    I have flown with sinus infection.  When I took the precaution of taking a decongestant at least 1/2 hour before I flew, I was okay.  Once I forgot and experienced extreme pain in my ears on landing.  If you have any sensation of blocked ears because of the sinusitus, be especially careful. Laurie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RSawyer676 wrote in message <19990301132133.05711.00002…@ng41.aol.com

… It is nice to know that I’m not alone in my sinus suffering.  I have a

chronic

infection and am wondering if it is safe to fly with sinusitis.  My son and

I

are due to fly from London to NY in four weeks and we both have infections

now.

Does anyone out there know the answer to this? Thanks, MS

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It is nice to know that I’m not alone in my sinus suffering.  I have a chronic infection and am wondering if it is safe to fly with sinusitis.  My son and I are due to fly from London to NY in four weeks and we both have infections now. Does anyone out there know the answer to this? Thanks, MS

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RSawyer676 wrote: It is nice to know that I’m not alone in my sinus suffering.  I have a

chronic

infection and am wondering if it is safe to fly with sinusitis.  My son

and I

are due to fly from London to NY in four weeks and we both have

infections now.

Does anyone out there know the answer to this? Thanks, MS — It can be a problem with both the ears and sinuses.

True, but if I didn’t fly every time I have a sinus infection I would be unemployed. I have no doubt that the time I spend in the air made my infections worse and contributed to them becoming chronic.  I never had any real discomfort from it though – the pressure didn’t hurt or anything like that. These days, I fly regardless but fortunately, I have enough control over the infections that I don’t get them often nor are they severe. Loki

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These days, I fly regardless but fortunately, I have enough control over the infections that I don’t get them often nor are they severe.

How do you keep control over them?

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I’d like to know that too. How?? frit…@aol.come (Fritz96) Date: Sun, Mar 7, 1999 9:48 PM wrote: "loki" <l…@inlink.com

wrote: These days, I fly regardless but fortunately, I have enough control over the infections that I don’t get them often nor are they severe.

How do you keep control over them? Sue M.

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Fritz96 <frit…@aol.come

wrote in article These days, I fly regardless but fortunately, I have enough control over the infections that I don’t get them often nor are they severe. How do you keep control over them?

Several things. 1.  Irrigation – daily – I just got the Grossan (sp?) tip to try it out 2.  I also have asthma and the Singulaire I take for that helps the sinuses as well 3.  Pau ‘D Arco – I take it daily.  It’s a herb that I drink as a tea and it keeps the infections to almost none at all.  I take it in higher doses if I do get an infection and it cures it faster than antibiotics. 4.  Guaifenesin – taken daily to keep the mucus thined out and flowing 5.  Two sinus surgeries a few years back – one to correct a deviated septum and the other to trim the turbinates. All of this (well, maybe not the herb) things discussed regularly here.   Loki – noting she does not sell herbs

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… Fritz96 <frit…@aol.come wrote in article These days, I fly regardless but fortunately, I have enough control over the infections that I don’t get them often nor are they severe. How do you keep control over them? Several things. 1.  Irrigation – daily – I just got the Grossan (sp?) tip to try it out 2.  I also have asthma and the Singulaire I take for that helps the sinuses as well 3.  Pau ‘D Arco – I take it daily.  It’s a herb that I drink as a tea and it keeps the infections to almost none at all.  I take it in higher doses if I do get an infection and it cures it faster than antibiotics. 4.  Guaifenesin – taken daily to keep the mucus thined out and flowing 5.  Two sinus surgeries a few years back – one to correct a deviated septum and the other to trim the turbinates. All of this (well, maybe not the herb) things discussed regularly here. Loki – noting she does not sell herbs

I am very interested in the Singulaire. When this was announced on the UK news not long ago the asthma helplines were jammed wth people ringing up for information. I was seeing my ENT at the time and asked him if this would be suitable ( Leucotreine antagonist). He had’nt heard the news but he was very interested.  Is Singulaire used in the USA on a regular basis? At the present time I use Rhinolast(astelin) to prevent inflammation as I have not found the steroid nasal sprays very effective because of severe allergies. I would be grateful if you could let me know what product you buy that contains the Guaifenesin . Thanks Heather

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Mike Collins <mikeheath…@oakwellmount.freeserve.co.uk

wrote I am very interested in the Singulaire. When this was announced on the UK news not long ago the asthma helplines were jammed wth people ringing up

for

information. I was seeing my ENT at the time and asked him if this would

be

suitable ( Leucotreine antagonist). He had’nt heard the news but he was

very

interested.  Is Singulaire used in the USA on a regular basis? At the present time I use Rhinolast(astelin) to prevent inflammation as I have not found the steroid nasal sprays very effective because of severe allergies. I would be grateful if you could

let

me know what product you buy that contains the Guaifenesin . Thanks Heather

Yes, Singulaire is used regularly here but for asthma, not for sinusitis though I find it does help with that as well.  There is some controversy over the Singulaire as to whether it causes Churg-Strauss syndrome but that is something that only asthmatics get anyway.  I like the Singulaire because it works better for my asthma than the other anti-leucotreine’s did.  Accolate is another of them that did also help my sinusitis though it must be taken twice a day and Singulaire is only once a day. I never found the streoid nasal sprays helped at all.   I have a prescription for the Guaifenesin.  It is for 1200mg twice a day. I actually only take 300 mg twice a day.  They are 600mg tablets and I cut them in half.  My sinuses would like the whole 1200 but my asthma does not – it causes problems. Here in the US you can buy Guaifenesin under the name Robitussin.  They have several products and only one of them is the Guaifenesin without other things added. I don’t know if you have Robitussin in the UK or not but here it is over the counter. Loki

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Sue milham <suemil…@aol.com

wrote in article I’d like to know that too. How??

Several things. 1.  Irrigation – daily – I just got the Grossan (sp?) tip to try it out 2.  I also have asthma and the Singulaire I take for that helps the sinuses as well 3.  Pau ‘D Arco – I take it daily.  It’s a herb that I drink as a tea and it keeps the infections to almost none at all.  I take it in higher doses if I do get an infection and it cures it faster than antibiotics. 4.  Guaifenesin – taken daily to keep the mucus thined out and flowing 5.  Two sinus surgeries a few years back – one to correct a deviated septum and the other to trim the turbinates. All of this (well, maybe not the herb) things discussed regularly here. Loki – noting she does not sell herbs

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Pau ‘D Arco

I had no idea this was so good!  I’ve had some in my cupboard for months but didn’t think to use it for sinusitis,

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Fritz96 <frit…@aol.commmm

wrote in article Pau ‘D Arco I had no idea this was so good!  I’ve had some in my cupboard for months

but

didn’t think to use it for sinusitis,

Yep, if you’re using the loose herb be sure to *boil* it for 20 minutes. Don’t let it sit longer than that without straining it or it will taste bitter. I take 3 cups a day for an active infection and keep it up for about a week though symptoms clear in around 3 days. Loki

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Paula Burch <pbu…@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu

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Please tell us more about this Pau d’Arco. I’ve found that many people credit an herb with benefits that are actually due to another change made at the same time; if, however, the herb really does have an effect as a drug in itself, it could be quite valuable, so it bears looking into. Did you make any other changes at the same time as you began using the Pau D’arco? Did you have continuing problems after starting the guaifenesin, Singulair, and irrigation, for a significant period of time, that were then apparently cleared up by starting the Pau d’Arco? Many people find that they do not need antibiotics to clear up sinus infections, if they use guaifenesin and irrigation and have had anatomical problems resolved via surgery. Have you tried doing everything else right, and not using Pau d’Arco? How many infections per given period of time do you get while doing everything else right, but not using Pau D’arco, as compared to doing all of the above plus the Pau D’arco?

I was doing everything else first and then added the Pau ‘D Arco.  My last surgery was 6 years ago.  I’ve been irrigating since then as well as using the guaifenesin.  I didn’t start the Singulaire till after the Pau ‘D Arco, but I had used Accolate for about a year before I found the herb.  The Singulaire just replaced the Accolate and gave no added improvement.  The Singulaire was started 6 months after I found the herb. Before the herb, I was still having about 3 or 4 sinus infections a year, which was much, much better than the constant one I had for 9 months prior to surgery. I did see some improvement with each change I made but the best I got it to was the 3 or 4 a year.   I started the Pau ‘D Arco during an infection that I couldn’t get rid of with normal antibiotics.  The sinus infection had wreaked havoc with my asthma as well.  I was on prednisone for that to the point that my adrenals started to give me grief.   I had gone through 3 courses of antibiotics and was irrigating and still couldn’t get rid of it.  A friend told me about the Pau ‘D Arco and I tried it.  I’m an herbalist but this one was new to me. I used 3 cups a day and after 3 days was feeling fine and had few symptoms.  I kept using it for 10 days and the infection cleared. Now, I take it daily but only one cup a day.  I don’t get sinus infections on their own at all and it’s been a year.  I did pick up a cold though and got the beginnings of an infection which went away when I upped the herb to 3 cups a day.  That only happened once though. Loki

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What I’m wondering is about getting active properties in the herb.  What brand do you buy?  Have you tried capsules?  I have tried so many folk remedies, ie herbs, that have just not done a thing for me.  Maybe they have not been fresh? "loki" <l…@inlink.com

Date: Wed, Mar 10, 1999 9:33 PM wrote:

I was doing everything else first and then added the Pau ‘D Arco.  My last

surgery was 6 years ago.  I’ve been irrigating since then as well as using the guaifenesin.  I didn’t start the Singulaire till after the Pau ‘D Arco, but I had used Accolate for about a year before I found the herb.  The Singulaire just replaced the Accolate and gave no added improvement.  The Singulaire was started 6 months after I found the herb. Before the herb, I was still having about 3 or 4 sinus infections a year, which was much, much better than the constant one I had for 9 months prior to surgery. I did see some improvement with each change I made but the best I got it to was the 3 or 4 a year.   I started the Pau ‘D Arco during an infection that I couldn’t get rid of with normal antibiotics.  The sinus infection had wreaked havoc with my asthma as well.  I was on prednisone for that to the point that my adrenals started to give me grief.   I had gone through 3 courses of antibiotics and was irrigating and still couldn’t get rid of it.  A friend told me about the Pau ‘D Arco and I tried it.  I’m an herbalist but this one was new to me. I used 3 cups a day and after 3 days was feeling fine and had few symptoms.  I kept using it for 10 days and the infection cleared. Now, I take it daily but only one cup a day.  I don’t get sinus infections on their own at all and it’s been a year.  I did pick up a cold though and got the beginnings of an infection which went away when I upped the herb to 3 cups a day.  That only happened once though. Loki<< Sue M.

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After Loki’s recommendation last week I went out and bought Pau D’Arco is a liquid extract form.  They said it was the next best thing to brewing it yourself, and better than capsules.  I’ve been on anti-biotics for a few weeks, but I must say it’ been the past few days that I’ve really felt better, so maybe it is the herb.

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Sue milham <suemil…@aol.com

wrote in article What I’m wondering is about getting active properties in the herb.  What

brand

do you buy?  Have you tried capsules?  I have tried so many folk

remedies, ie

herbs, that have just not done a thing for me.  Maybe they have not been

fresh? WARNING – SOAPBOX AHEAD! Many herbs should not be taken in capsule form.  It is highly profitable for the herbal industry to sell them that way but it is most often not the most effective way to take an herb. Each herb is different and must be prepared differently.  Pau ‘D Arco’s active properties cannot be extracted by the human body in usable form but for some reason if you either boil it (prepare a decoction) or use a cold extract (tincture or liquid extract) you get what you need. Also, freshness is paramount and I find that frequently the herbs are just too old.  I have found one shop in St. Louis where I live that I can trust to supply quality, fresh herbs.  Many others sell herbs that are just plain old.  I almost never buy capsules but buy the herb in bulk and prepare teas or sometimes tinctures from that. Also, with capsules you just don’t know how much of there herb you are getting.  If you use the same supplier I find that over time their herbs are generally of consistent quality and strength.   Now, the biggest gripe I  have with the whole herbal industry is the "herb of the month" syndrome.  Every so often an herb becomes fashionable and it’s everywhere and every clerk in every health food store is pushing it. Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.   Each herb has it’s specific uses and while several may work on a given complaint, one will generally be better for it than others though there are exceptions.  The currently popular herb, Kava Kava is an excellent example. It is being pushed as a tranquilizer but that is not it’s main action.  It is used in it’s native land as a hospitality drink and it works the same way there that liquor works here.  It lowers inhibitions and does produce a very nice feeling. For an herb to sooth frazzled nerves, skullcap is much more effective. If folks want to use herbs I’m all for that but I do want them to do their research and not just get what is fashionable or what one book said.  If you can find a qualified herbalist, I urge you to consult them.  If not, at least read up on it in several different sources. The last reason many herbal remedies don’t work is that the doseage is too low.  The books I have all say to use 1 teaspoon per cup and I use 1 tablespoon per cup.  The books are written to avoid lawsuits from ill informed people so they always understate the dose to avoid problems. Trouble is it is frequently too low to be effective.  Of course, if you have an effective dose, you have to think about interactions and contraindications and that isn’t sexy and doesn’t sell books or herbs. Loki

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Fritz96 <frit…@aol.commmm

wrote in article After Loki’s recommendation last week I went out and bought Pau D’Arco is

a

liquid extract form.  They said it was the next best thing to brewing it yourself, and better than capsules.  I’ve been on anti-biotics for a few

weeks,

but I must say it’ been the past few days that I’ve really felt better,

so

maybe it is the herb.

Yep, if you can’t brew it, this is a good option.  Be sure to take it every day and to clear an active infection, take it 3 times a day. I haven’t found any interactions or contraindications with this particular herb. It’s very, very safe.  It also tastes good as a tea – kinda a vanilla flavor. Loki

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Hi, Loki, just wondering, when I take the liquid extract, does it make a difference if I mix it in with a drink, or just squirt it straight into my mouth? Thanks

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Fritz96 <frit…@aol.commmm

wrote in article Hi, Loki, just wondering, when I take the liquid extract, does it make a difference if I mix it in with a drink, or just squirt it straight into

my

mouth?

I’d recommend mixing it into juice or water.   Loki

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Okay, I just got some Pau d’arco today and while brewing it smells just like sassafrass.  Don’t know if there is any connection.  Gonna try it along with the Trovan, since it seems iffy, now on day 5. "loki" <l…@inlink.com

Date: Sat, Mar 13, 1999 10:33 PM wrote: Fritz96 <frit…@aol.commmm

wrote in article Hi, Loki, just wondering, when I take the liquid extract, does it make a difference if I mix it in with a drink, or just squirt it straight into

my

mouth?

I’d recommend mixing it into juice or water.   Loki<< Sue M.

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Sue milham <suemil…@aol.com

wrote in article Okay, I just got some Pau d’arco today and while brewing it smells just

like

sassafrass.  Don’t know if there is any connection.  Gonna try it along

with

the Trovan, since it seems iffy, now on day 5.

Nope, no connection except they’re both trees… Please let us know how it works. Loki

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Question:

Pulmicort and Budesonide are the same medicine.  One is the trade / brand name and the other is the generic name, just like Salbutamol  is called Ventolin. The delivery device is called a turbohaler, for the powder.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Jack, Yes I am from the UK and Flixotide is indeed fluticasone administered with the CFC free propellant-HFA 134a, known as the Evohaler (correct spelling). So in the USA it’s known as Flovent, that’s interesting to know, thanks for pointing this out to me. I asked my chemist if the old propellant ones were still available but he said they’re being fased out…..enviromental regulations. I take it this also applies in the United States? I must say, the new evohaler doesn’t give me much confidence, especially when nearing the end of it’s 120 actuations.  The spray is sometimes very weak unlike the older propellant which was very strong and you could actually taste it which I found reasurring. Anyway, I’ll persevere, like my GP suggested but I don’t like the idea of increasing the medication, that to me seems a backward step, afterall I did so well on the 50 micrograms for the past 3 years, I don’t believe my asthma as worsend, just the change in medication. This brings me onto the powder alternative, the ‘Pulmicort’, is this the name of the actual device from which the powder is administered? And what is Budesonide? Thank you to all who replied. BTW, when I visited my GP recently I had my Peak flow checked and after 3 tries I could only get as high as 450, I was quite alarmed when he said the average for a normal male of my age and height is 680. John. < John.  Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it?  We call it Flovent.  Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid.  In which case you may want to go back to a propelled  medication whether the old  or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)

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John.  Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it?  We call it Flovent.  Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid.  In which case you may want to go back to a propelled  medication whether the old  or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)

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Hello Jack, Yes I am from the UK and Flixotide is indeed fluticasone administered with the CFC free propellant-HFA 134a, known as the Evohaler (correct spelling). So in the USA it’s known as Flovent, that’s interesting to know, thanks for pointing this out to me. I asked my chemist if the old propellant ones were still available but he said they’re being fased out…..enviromental regulations. I take it this also applies in the United States? I must say, the new evohaler doesn’t give me much confidence, especially when nearing the end of it’s 120 actuations.  The spray is sometimes very weak unlike the older propellant which was very strong and you could actually taste it which I found reasurring. Anyway, I’ll persevere, like my GP suggested but I don’t like the idea of increasing the medication, that to me seems a backward step, afterall I did so well on the 50 micrograms for the past 3 years, I don’t believe my asthma as worsend, just the change in medication. This brings me onto the powder alternative, the ‘Pulmicort’, is this the name of the actual device from which the powder is administered? And what is Budesonide? Thank you to all who replied. BTW, when I visited my GP recently I had my Peak flow checked and after 3 tries I could only get as high as 450, I was quite alarmed when he said the average for a normal male of my age and height is 680. John. < – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John.  Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it?  We call it Flovent.  Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid.  In which case you may want to go back to a propelled  medication whether the old  or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)

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I can remember when I couldn’t see across the street on smoggy days. I think that things are actually a lot better, as compared to the 60s for example. Perhaps you are younger, and don’t remember! Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."

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I wonder whether recent environmental degeneration has had an impact on our air quality / pollutants and therefore a knock-on effect to asthma sufferers

This has been examined.  Poor air quality can aggravate existing asthma but will not cause asthma. "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992

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Since I was put on Flixotide 50 (replacing Becotide 100) about three years ago, my ashtma has been very well controlled, so much so I rarely used my Ventolin/Salbutomol, quite a dramatic improvement to say I used to use my ventolin 2/3 times aday for several years. But now my inhaler has changed to a more enviromently friendly ‘Evoinhaler’ and after a couple of days of using the new evoinhaler, my asthma came back to trouble me. The first thing I noticed when using it was that I couldn’t taste the medication, very unreasurring, not knowing if it was administer correctly or not and it doesn’t spray so powerfully as the old type.  Secondly, a little while after use my chest would tighten a little and now I have a dry/barking cough, maybe it’s the different propellent that’s not suiting me? My Doctor said I should persevere, to readjust and if necessary he would increase the medication to 100. I would like to hear of other peoples experiences with this Evoinhaler, maybe you’ve noticed a difference too. Also, is Flixotide available in dry powder form?  I use to use a spinhaler which I found effective. Thanks. BTW this is my first post to a newsgroup, I discovered this newsgroup with the help of a friend. John age 35

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I just got changed from Flovent to pulmicort for the same reason (propellant made my chest tight after use.) works lots better. I think Flovent has changed it’s propellant, too. Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."

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Instead of Beclazone 250, I am using now Seretide 250 (a snazzy little non CFC inhaler) and it has given me alot more control of my asthma.  After nearly two years in & out of hospital I am relieved to have found it & thoroughly recomend it !! Have you noticed an increase in your own asthmatic events over the last few years? I wonder whether recent environmental degeneration has had an impact on our air quality / pollutants and therefore a knock-on effect to asthma sufferers …….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since I was put on Flixotide 50 (replacing Becotide 100) about three years ago, my ashtma has been very well controlled, so much so I rarely used my Ventolin/Salbutomol, quite a dramatic improvement to say I used to use my ventolin 2/3 times aday for several years. But now my inhaler has changed to a more enviromently friendly ‘Evoinhaler’ and after a couple of days of using the new evoinhaler, my asthma came back to trouble me. The first thing I noticed when using it was that I couldn’t taste the medication, very unreasurring, not knowing if it was administer correctly or not and it doesn’t spray so powerfully as the old type.  Secondly, a little while after use my chest would tighten a little and now I have a dry/barking cough, maybe it’s the different propellent that’s not suiting me? My Doctor said I should persevere, to readjust and if necessary he would increase the medication to 100. I would like to hear of other peoples experiences with this Evoinhaler, maybe you’ve noticed a difference too. Also, is Flixotide available in dry powder form?  I use to use a spinhaler which I found effective. Thanks. BTW this is my first post to a newsgroup, I discovered this newsgroup with the help of a friend. John age 35

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Question:

Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group.  Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. — Yvonne

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying. No problem It sounds like you’ve got a good case worker. I also thought you should stop taking the Wellbutrin, but would never give out that advice on-line. Let us know how it goes. BTW – Wellbutrin made me wildly manic within a couple of hours of taking it for the first time. Hilaire WOW! For years I thought I was weird, have had many similar circumstances and at that time I was undiagnosed and manic. Whew, it was good to hear another woman stating that the same stuff happened with her. Definitely do something about the meds, you can’t go through life wrapped in gauze and afraid to talk to men for fear of the repercussions. Sounds like you have a very supportive husband girl, it takes a lot for our men to stay through the worst, but the best will come. My best to you and yours, Tanja

when taking wellbutrin,i was irritable(imagine that)so that my case manager thretened to resign.& i was flirtatious(to say how successful might be embarassing).what you’re experiencing might be related to medications,or you could be getting a bit hypo- or manic.I’m bd 1 but the effects are similiar,some enjoyable.Harry("not well")

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying.

No problem It sounds like you’ve got a good case worker. I also thought you should stop taking the Wellbutrin, but would never give out that advice on-line. Let us know how it goes. BTW – Wellbutrin made me wildly manic within a couple of hours of taking it for the first time. Hilaire

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying. No problem It sounds like you’ve got a good case worker. I also thought you should stop taking the Wellbutrin, but would never give out that advice on-line. Let us know how it goes. BTW – Wellbutrin made me wildly manic within a couple of hours of taking it for the first time. Hilaire WOW! For years I thought I was weird, have had many similar circumstances

and at that time I was undiagnosed and manic. Whew, it was good to hear another woman stating that the same stuff happened with her. Definitely do something about the meds, you can’t go through life wrapped in gauze and afraid to talk to men for fear of the repercussions. Sounds like you have a very supportive husband girl, it takes a lot for our men to stay through the worst, but the best will come. My best to you and yours, Tanja

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening. To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck

Thank you for responding, Hilaire, and for your advice. I hadn’t thought of the possibility of a manic episode. I saw my case-worker today and she said the same thing you did, plus she told me to stop taking the Wellbutrin. She’s also scheduled me for an "emergency" appointment to see the psychiatrist tomorrow (instead of waiting for the one I had for June 4th) to see what type of med would be better suited for my condition. I’m feeling somewhat better this evening, but the need to rock back and forth and to keep my body in some kind of motion is still with me. As well, I am extremely tired as if I haven’t slept in days. But, at least I know it’s only a few more hours before I see the psychiatrist. Again, thank you for replying. — Yvonne

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello. I am a Canadian female, mid-40s, married, an at-home mother. I have diabetes type 2 since Dec. 1999, have suffered from depression for perhaps seven years now, and have been tentatively diagnosed with Bipolar 2 this past March by a psychiatrist. The doctor recommended I add Wellbrutin S.R. (150 mg x a day) to the Effexor XR (150 mg x a day) . I didn’t think that either meds were working, until earlier last week when my libido kicked in. (I was ‘neutral’, so to speak, for many months.) It was quite a pleasant experience for my husband and I. But then, within a few days, it’s as if my increased libido "overtook" me and I began to flirt (playfully, I would say, but with sexual overtones) with various men, men I didn’t even know, in a chat group. Without revealing too many details, one of these flirty episodes turned out badly yesterday evening. I took this *very* badly, and it triggered an episode of self-injury, something I hadn’t done in over twenty years. Along with the seemingly never-ending tears, I began to scratch – using my own fingernails – my upper and lower back, my upper chest, my breasts, my waist and parts of my legs. This crying/scratching last over one hour, until my husband’s 2nd attempt to calm me down worked. I share all of this with you not to be condemned, but to ask if the oral meds I am taking could be responsible for (1) my increased libido (where previously there was almost none), (2) this urge to flirt with strangers, and (3) thoughts and actions of self-injury. Thank you for listening.

To me, and I am in no way a doctor, it would seem that it is possible that the anti-depressants that you are taking are throwing you into a manic episode (it’s a common occurrence). If your pdoc thinks that you are bipolar then he should add a mood stabilizer into the mix. I suggest that you call him immediately and let him know what’s going on. Good luck Hilaire

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They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery… But somebody just ripped off my whole Keywords: line! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lynd…@bigfoot.com (LyndaNP) wrote:

One of the best ways to learn about medication effects–both positive and negative–is by comparing notes with other patients.  The following index links to forum posts discussing each particular medication.  Read what others have had to say about your medication and share your own experiences. Adapin, Sinequan (doxepin) Anafranil (clomipramine) Buspar (buspirone) Desyrel (trazodone) Celexa (citalopram) Effexor (venlafaxine) Elavil, Endep (amitriptyline) Luvox (fluvoxamine) Nardil (phenelzine) Norpramin, Pertofrane (desipramine) Pamelor (nortryptyline) Parnate (tranylcypromine) Paxil, Seroxat (paroxetine) Prozac (fluoxetine) Remeron (mirtazapine) Serzone  (nefazodone) Surmontil (trimipramine) Tofranil (imipramine) Vestra (reboxetine) Wellbutrin (bupropion) Zoloft (sertraline) — LyndaNP

— "Thou shalt not suffer a witch [poisoner] to live" – Exodus 22:18 "A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death" – Leviticus 20:27 More more info, visit http://www.drugawareness.org

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I wrote a previous post but have not seen it here yet.  I am going to post again. The autoimmune diseases are another class of diseases where the allopaths have no idea of what

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Hi Wes, by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer

Your sex drive seems OK. Have you tried an anti-depressants like Zoloft (Sertraline)? They can delay the orgasm. — FBI, CIA, KGB, Interpol, MIB, MI6… choke on this pal! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The best "lesson" I’ve never read. — Samy (France)

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Everything which you posted was so true, I congratulate you Many years ago in a now outdated book called "Any Man Can" I learned that orgasm and ejaculation are NOT the same thing and that a guy can masturbate having multiple orgasms as long as he does not ejaculate. Just knowing that one can do this was a real shocker. The stop and start technique which you so very well described IS the way to multiple orgasms….and it works. For me it is not possible to do while having intercourse, because I really believe that "Mother Nature" intended us to ejaculate (as soon as possible) and reproduce. That IS what sex is really all about…..continued repopulation. I am interested in the ancient Celtics ad have read that groups of guys( cousins and brothers) stood around waiting their turn to have sex with the women…so any guy taking too long to "get it done" would most likely removed from the female. As an added interest since the "tribes" were brothers and cousins etc, any baby born would obviously look like every one else – fair skinned and lightish hair. This child would then be greatly accepted by the tribe regardless of its father. BOB

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Fabulous answer, Fred . :::::::::standing ovation:::::::::::

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck!

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I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort.

Wes, First off, stop beating yourself up.  EVERY man, expecially young ones masturbate.  If someone tells you he doesn’t masturbate you can rest assured he’s lying (yes, even married men and old codgers like most of us on this newsgroup). From about 14, or whenever you reach puberty, through into the twenties, many masturbate daily or even several times a day. ALL MEN either fantasize about sexual situations or look at porno while they masturbate.   IT DOES NO HARM!  If you jack off too much, your body will make you slow down automatically because you’ll either get a sore dick or you just can’t get it up any more on that particular day.   What CAN happen is you can train yourself to come as quickly as possible while masturbating, either because you’re afraid of being caught doing it, you’re doing it when you don’t have much time, or you feel guilty about it.  When you start to have sex with a partner that quick-cum training can carry over and cause you to cum too quickly. As to not being able to get an erection again after you cum, that’s perfectly normal.  It’s called a "refactory period", and the amount of time before you can get an erection again varies greatly between individuals.  The older you get, the longer it takes before you can get another erection.  It’s very rare to find a man who can get an erection again right away after cumming, or avoid losing it at all. Supposedly some young teens can, but I believe that ability fades quickly. There are some things you can do to avoid this Premature Ejaculation (that’s the proper name for it). One is to masturbate before you expect to have sex (far enough ahead of time to get through the refactory period). You should be able to last longer on the second go-around after masturbating earlier.  Some recommend pulling out when you feel it coming, but before you reach the point of no return and having your _partner_ (not yourself) squeeze hard on the head of your penis.  Some recommend trying to think of something else during sex; preferably something you don’t particularly like, to take your mind off it (although this seems to me like it’d take a lot of the pleasure out of sex).  You can also be sure to wear a heavy duty condom and maybe get and use some desensitizing cream, (Prolong is one trade name)  You can get it at a pharmacy or a sex shop.  Be sure to put the cream on and then use a condom on top of it or you’ll desensitize your partner as well. The long term solution is to retrain yourself to lay back and enjoy sex for the great feelings of the slow buildup leading eventually to orgasm, without any sense of urgency.  You can do this with SLOW masturbation to EVENTUAL orgasm, which will have the added bonus of relieving some of the sexul tension and horniness which contribute to your cumming too quickly.   Extended mutual foreplay with your girlfriend, having her stop stimulation when you feel you’re near the edge, can also help. Concentrate on her feelings rather than your own, and try to get her to orgasm either orally, manually or both as many times as you can before you enter. A woman’s centers of sexual pleasure include the vagina only incidentally and she can get as much or more pleasure from stimulation of her clitoris, breasts and nipples, inner thighs, ears, neck, anus (stroke it lightly with a moistened finger or use your tongue), lips, buttocks, feet,  and any other areas she points out (Ask her.  Do the things she says she likes and avoid those she doesn’t.).  Don’t overlook the value of holding, hugging, kissing and just general caressing. To me, at least, there’s nothing that’s as much of a turnon as  giving my wife a series of screaming, out of control orgasms. There’s also a masturbation technique you could try to train yourself not to cum so quickly: First, you need to masturbate when you can take your time and really enjoy the sensations without the possibility of being disturbed.   Lay back on the bed, use some good lube like KY jelly or Astroglide and handle your penis very lightly all over with the fingertips of both hands just enough to maintain your erection. Keep a cup of warm water handy to remoisten the lube from time to time. If you feel yourself getting too close, stop for awhile until the sensation slacks off, then begin again. The idea is to make the good sensations last as long as possible without ejaculating.  Don’t use your fist, just the tips of your fingers lightly stroking the underside of the shaft, your balls, and  your inner thighs. Run a finger lightly from your anus up over your balls to the tip of your penis several times.  Relax and concentrate on the sensations and nothing else. You should be able to go on as long as you like this way, without ejaculating.  When you decide it’s time to cum, increase the tempo and pressure just enough to bring yourself slowly to orgasm. Don’t beat it frantically.. remember there’s no urgency. In the future, try to avoid masturbating when you’re hurried for any reason, or there’s a possiblilty you might be disturbed by someone intruding on your solitude. Use this technique as often as the opportunity presents itself, and you should find that you’ll learn a lot more self control, as well as enjoying sex more.  Using the extended foreplay techniques on your partner will make your sex last longer and give you both more satisfaction, even if you’re never able to lengthen the duration of actual intercourse. Good Luck! -Fred- Visit Fred’s Page of Impotence Information and ASI FAQ’s at: http://www.chesco.com/~fps/index.html

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You have no problems, young man!  You are just confused and you someone, perhaps a psychologist-sex-therapist to straighten you out.

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You might take comfort in that fact that you’re not much different than thousand of others. I’m not sure what operation you were talking about. Circumcision? I’ve heard it said that the uncircumcised are very sensitive. There’s a lot of discussion going on about circumcision. Whether is mutilation or not. I would suggest you try some of those desensitizing chemicals. And yes, see a urologist. There’s no age limit to ED or PE. Jerry of ASI I waz wondering if Yu had any progress with any of the suggestions in curing yur problem? & if so, what did Yu use to cure it? My name is Wes & I am only 19 years old. I too am experiencing some dysfunction of my erection. But I think I brought it on myself. I have had a difficult past where I constantly masturbated & was obsessed with poronography. I masturbated consistently for atleast more than 5 years average. I was molested, not sexually abused, but touched by my babysitter as a child. I too have no problem with my sex drive or getting an erection. I just orgasm less than a minute into sex & lose the desire to continue. I want to continue but the drive is no longer there. My X-girlfriend wants to help me by practicing with me & I tied but it just doesn’t work. I sometimes/most of the time, find myself getting aroused or having sexual thoughts the moment I get close to, hugging, or even sitting next to my girlfriend. I feel like my mind is perverted & my life is over. I try to exercise, I’ve thought about viagra but I didn’t think I could get a hold of it b/c of my young age. I figured it was for people up in age. I’ve thought about getting some type of surgery in the future when I came across enough money but I heard of certain cancers that can be acquired or side affects. There are so many different inventions that say they’re the best. I haven’t tried anything yet or seen a Therapist/Urologist/Whatever. I’m just investigating my options. I’ve now heard of: cock rings, penile injections, caverjet/ject, Paroxetine, Tri-mix, Stud 100, Sildenafil Citrate Loxanges, Yohimbine, & Herbal Viagra. I’m sorry to have written so much but Yu understand the seriousness of this subject. I’m in need of Help. juslt like Yu, I’m very interested in a sex life. I’m only 19. If Yuhave any ideas or opinions please respond. Thank Yu so much for Yur time, & I hope anyone with the same problem overcomes their discomfort. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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get a Rx for Xanax ( generic name = alprazolam ) when this happens, take 2 mg right away give it 20 minutes to kick in I’m on 40 mg Paxil / day and it took a while to get going, but I would say 10 weeks is long enough.  Maybe you would do better on a different SSRI. There are a lot of them.  Ask your doctor about trying a different one. — Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! This is my first post so please be gentle! I’ve been on Seroxat(Paxil) (30mg/day) for about 10 weeks for panic attacks / depression… it seems to help (most of the time)… however there are still occasions where I lose control in a big way…. Over the last week, I’ve been experiencing a couple of times, what I can only describe as "electric shocks"… similar to a just before a panic attack but rather than lasting a second or two it lasts for hours… with "shocks" every 10-15 seconds. Last night was agony… I had an appointment … I couldn’t remember whether it was 6:15pm or 6:30pm… so walking there I stopped outside a newagents (to get a paper to read if I had to wait)… it was closed. I stopped… turned round waked away… stopped…  walked back… stopped… I felt an electric bolt on the inside of my left arm…. my heart starts to beat… I started to panic… I feel as if I’m about to have a panic attack… but it never quite gets there… the shock starts repeating regularly… by the time I got to my appointment… I was a reck… I walked in the room and broke down… couldn’t talk at all… after a few minutes I decided that I really couldn’t go through with it and I rush out. Finally got home… somewhere safe… but the shocks were still going … I wanted to phone someone… to calm me down and reassure me…  but I really don’t want to impose… 5 hours later I make the call… they are out…I leave a message hoping they might phone me back… by 3am the shock are still going…. and I finally fall asleep of exhuastion… I’ve never had anything like this before… has anyone else? Any ideas what it is or how to cope with it? I really don’t want to go through this again. Mark

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Hi! This is my first post so please be gentle! I’ve been on Seroxat(Paxil) (30mg/day) for about 10 weeks for panic attacks / depression… it seems to help (most of the time)… however there are still occasions where I lose control in a big way…. Over the last week, I’ve been experiencing a couple of times, what I can only describe as "electric shocks"… similar to a just before a panic attack but rather than lasting a second or two it lasts for hours… with "shocks" every 10-15 seconds. Last night was agony… I had an appointment … I couldn’t remember whether it was 6:15pm or 6:30pm… so walking there I stopped outside a newagents (to get a paper to read if I had to wait)… it was closed. I stopped… turned round waked away… stopped…  walked back… stopped… I felt an electric bolt on the inside of my left arm…. my heart starts to beat… I started to panic… I feel as if I’m about to have a panic attack… but it never quite gets there… the shock starts repeating regularly… by the time I got to my appointment… I was a reck… I walked in the room and broke down… couldn’t talk at all… after a few minutes I decided that I really couldn’t go through with it and I rush out. Finally got home… somewhere safe… but the shocks were still going … I wanted to phone someone… to calm me down and reassure me…  but I really don’t want to impose… 5 hours later I make the call… they are out…I leave a message hoping they might phone me back… by 3am the shock are still going…. and I finally fall asleep of exhuastion… I’ve never had anything like this before… has anyone else? Any ideas what it is or how to cope with it? I really don’t want to go through this again. Mark

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what youre describing is EXACTLY what i experienced during effexor withdrawal.  i would be worried about some sort of med reaction, and i would CALL MY SHRINK IMMEDIATELY, and tell him word for word what you posted here about symptoms, maybe even read it to him over the phone – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Over the last week, I’ve been experiencing a couple of times, what I can only describe as "electric shocks"… similar to a just before a panic attack but rather than lasting a second or two it lasts for hours… with "shocks" every 10-15 seconds. Last night was agony… I had an appointment … I couldn’t remember whether it was 6:15pm or 6:30pm… so walking there I stopped outside a newagents (to get a paper to read if I had to wait)… it was closed. I stopped… turned round waked away… stopped…  walked back… stopped… I felt an electric bolt on the inside of my left arm…. my heart starts to beat… I started to panic… I feel as if I’m about to have a panic attack… but it never quite gets there… the shock starts repeating regularly… by the time I got to my appointment… I was a reck… I walked in the room and broke down… couldn’t talk at all… after a few minutes I decided that I really couldn’t go through with it and I rush out. Finally got home… somewhere safe… but the shocks were still going … I wanted to phone someone… to calm me down and reassure me…  but I really don’t want to impose… 5 hours later I make the call… they are out…I leave a message hoping they might phone me back… by 3am the shock are still going…. and I finally fall asleep of exhuastion… I’ve never had anything like this before… has anyone else? Any ideas what it is or how to cope with it? I really don’t want to go through this again. Mark

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I have had this also, still do. I never did figure out whether is was a symptom of my anxiety or the cause of it. Althought I had the anxiety first. It kept me from sleeping a lot of nights and I still have it at times. I had EEGs and MRI’s and they found nothing. All I can say is that it’s just another sucky thing that your anxiety can do to you and keep you from sleeping and making you miserable. Believe me, I feel for you. LonelyGirl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! This is my first post so please be gentle! I’ve been on Seroxat(Paxil) (30mg/day) for about 10 weeks for panic attacks / depression… it seems to help (most of the time)… however there are still occasions where I lose control in a big way…. Over the last week, I’ve been experiencing a couple of times, what I can only describe as "electric shocks"… similar to a just before a panic attack but rather than lasting a second or two it lasts for hours… with "shocks" every 10-15 seconds. Last night was agony… I had an appointment … I couldn’t remember whether it was 6:15pm or 6:30pm… so walking there I stopped outside a newagents (to get a paper to read if I had to wait)… it was closed. I stopped… turned round waked away… stopped…  walked back… stopped… I felt an electric bolt on the inside of my left arm…. my heart starts to beat… I started to panic… I feel as if I’m about to have a panic attack… but it never quite gets there… the shock starts repeating regularly… by the time I got to my appointment… I was a reck… I walked in the room and broke down… couldn’t talk at all… after a few minutes I decided that I really couldn’t go through with it and I rush out. Finally got home… somewhere safe… but the shocks were still going … I wanted to phone someone… to calm me down and reassure me…  but I really don’t want to impose… 5 hours later I make the call… they are out…I leave a message hoping they might phone me back… by 3am the shock are still going…. and I finally fall asleep of exhuastion… I’ve never had anything like this before… has anyone else? Any ideas what it is or how to cope with it? I really don’t want to go through this again. Mark

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I’ve been on Seroxat(Paxil) (30mg/day) for about 10 weeks for panic attacks / depression… it seems to help (most of the time)… however there are still occasions where I lose control in a big way…. Over the last week, I’ve been experiencing a couple of times, what I can only describe as "electric shocks"… similar to a just before a panic attack but rather than lasting a second or two it lasts for hours… with "shocks" every 10-15 seconds.

Funny this sounds exactly like Paxil withdrawal symptoms which I experienced firsthand. Are you skipping doses? Are you taking it all in one dose (if so perhaps you should try to split it into 2)? Anyway you should definitely talk to your doctor about it. In the past doctors weren’t aware of the problems of Paxil, but hopefully all are informed now. Good luck.

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Thanks for the advice… I’ve made an appointment with my doctor… have to see what he says. The only common factor I can think of is both times I’ve had a couple of glasses of wine… although the electric shocks don’t happen every time… I’ve decided to give up the alcohol… it’s not going to be easy tho =o) Mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.anxiety-panic X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon — TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have suffered from a condition which makes my hands tremble. When ever I am with someone and I have to sign or pick somethig delicate or valuable up If I think they are looking at me I will start trembling. It also occurs when in a shop and I pick up some china etc and my hands start shaking because someone Mally has suggested you have a tremor problem in addition to your anxiety. If this is the case than medication to control the tremor might be helpful. If however the tremor only occurs in social situations the liklyhood is that it is anxiety related. If this is the case the treatment of you phobia via cognative behavioral therapy would be an option. Jim Claiborn Ph.D.

Just to keep the record straight I didn’t suggest that the poster had a tremor problem – I said they *may* have one and also stated that it was entirely possible that it was an anxiety/PD problem as other’s have experienced this. Last thing I want to do is tell people what they’ve got or what treatment they should use!  Er……guess I don’t mind saying what "treatments" I think *nobody* should use!  <g Mally  :)

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(dennis goos) writes: Just to keep the record straight I didn’t suggest that the poster had a tremor problem – I said they *may* have one and also stated that it was entirely possible that it was an anxiety/PD problem as other’s have experienced this. Last thing I want to do is tell people what they’ve got or what treatment they should use!  Er……guess I don’t mind saying what "treatments" I think *nobody* should use!  <g Mally  :)

I was just going to write a response to that about how you said *may* have a tremor problem when I decided to read on and found your response.  You and Dr. Clairborn sure have different opinions….which of course is great, its good to hear both sides….but have you two *agreed to disagree*? <g Cyndie

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(dennis goos) writes: As you and I well know Cyndie, a movement disorder of any kind should be thoroughly investigated by a movement disorder specialist.  I find it quite amazing and shocking that CT therapy is being used to treat movement disorders.  I think it is indefensible that Jim would suggest CT as a treatment – much as I realize that he’s convinced that it cures everything from warts to premature baldness!  <g

Yeah, I could just imagine me taking Jeremy to therepy for dystonia! <g Cyndie

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Newsgroups: alt.support.anxiety-panic X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon — TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have suffered from a condition which makes my hands tremble. When ever I am with someone and I have to sign or pick somethig delicate or valuable up If I think they are looking at me I will start trembling. It also occurs when in a shop and I pick up some china etc and my hands start shaking because someone could be watching me and I may drop it. These symptoms seem to go around in never larger circles as the more I think about it the more I shake. This has been with me since I was 15 and now I am 28. In everyday life I try to avoid signing in public and so I avoid paying on credit card as I might shake as I know people are looking for your signature. Talking to the cashier helps but not enough. If anyone else suffers from a similar condition please let me know also as i am from england does anybody know of any books or anyone that can help me with this condition. Am I alone? Mark

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.anxiety-panic X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon — TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have suffered from a condition which makes my hands tremble. When ever I am with someone and I have to sign or pick somethig delicate or valuable up If I think they are looking at me I will start trembling. It also occurs when in a shop and I pick up some china etc and my hands start shaking because someone could be watching me and I may drop it. These symptoms seem to go around in never larger circles as the more I think about it the more I shake. This has been with me since I was 15 and now I am 28. In everyday life I try to avoid signing in public and so I avoid paying on credit card as I might shake as I know people are looking for your signature. Talking to the cashier helps but not enough. If anyone else suffers from a similar condition please let me know also as i am from england does anybody know of any books or anyone that can help me with this condition. Am I alone? Mark

Hi Mark: I have Essential Tremor as well as PD.  This makes my hands shake a lot – stress can make it worse, as does carrying anything heavy, etc.  When I’m nervous, stressed or have been doing something physical I can shake/tremble all over.  I like to think of myself as a mover and a shaker!  :)   Has your doctor checked Essential Tremor out for you?  A neurologist would be able to tell you whether there is any indication of this. There have been others on this group who have posted with similar problems also, so it is possible that it is a PD symptom. Feel free to email me if you have more questions. Mally  

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Newsgroups: alt.support.anxiety-panic X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon — TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have suffered from a condition which makes my hands tremble. When ever I am with someone and I have to sign or pick somethig delicate or valuable up If I think they are looking at me I will start trembling. It also occurs when in a shop and I pick up some china etc and my hands start shaking because someone could be watching me and I may drop it.

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Hi Mark, I’ve experienced the same problem. I used to work in a restaurant, and I would shake or worry about shaking when I was carrying things to a table. Also, I have difficulty signing in public – my signature looks worse than usual because I shake. A method I use to alleviate this is replace the "what if" (as in what if I shake) with "so what". This sometimes helps with other "what if" situations. Hope this helps. Or at least maybe it’ll help to know that you’re not the only one who has experienced this. Peace, Don Ganton

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