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Aztek hands down?

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Jeez, I heard someone bot one !

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Aztek hands down?

‘58 Buick Limited ‘59 Olds

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That aztek reminds me of what a scaled-down version of the Family Truckster might look like……wonder if they have the Pea Green color

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the Olds Achieva

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the Olds Achieva

Oh, they are not all that attractive, but I would not say they were the UGLIEST thing GM ever came up with.  With all due respect to the folks who like ‘em I had an Achieva on rental for a couple of days about 3 years ago.  A real nothingburger of a car.  But no, I don’t think it was that ugly…

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No question, it’s the Aztec. A GM screw-up of global thermo-nuclear proportions. I just hope that among those 2000+ GM executives who are being forced by the General to drive the things around Detroit are numbered the idiot-laden committees that approved the thing for production. It makes the Edsel Ranger look tasteful and refined. Yuck! — – GRL "When someone annoys you, remember that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 muscles to extend your arm and smack them on the back of the head."

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That aztek reminds me of what a scaled-down version of the Family Truckster might look like……wonder if they have the Pea Green color

I think you CAN get a Aztek in metallic pee.

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The Achieva really looks good nowadays. neat profile. at first i hated the design. now after a few years, they look neat.

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No question, it’s the Aztec. A GM screw-up of global thermo-nuclear proportions. I just hope that among those 2000+ GM executives who are being forced by the General to drive the things around Detroit are numbered the idiot-laden committees that approved the thing for production. It makes the Edsel Ranger look tasteful and refined.

I find myself wondering: how long a run is GM gonna make of those before closing up production? You mentioned the Edsel Ranger.  Well, the Edsel got a lot of mocking in the press by various columnists, TV personalities, and all that.  I have heard no such similar mocking of the Aztek. Does anyone have any sales figures on that beast?

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I find myself wondering: how long a run is GM gonna make of those before closing up production?

You have to wonder, especially with vehicle sales going in the crapper as of recent.. As strange as they are, however, I’ve seen more then a few driving around here locally, so apparently _someone_ is buying them.. Personally, I like the front end, could live with the side view, but the rear-end is just too bizzare for even me, and I’m pretty forgiving when it comes to "Different" vehicles.. Take the new Impala, for instance..  When it first came out everybody screamed bloody murder about the rear taillights..   I never "Hated" them, persay, but they did have to grow on me, and now I envy the car quite alot, and the fact that the plant here in Oshawa can’t make them quickly enough speaks volumes towards the fact that they are selling like hotcakes….   Now, if only I could afford one.. — Mark – Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Chevy Astro / GMC Safari Message Board! Click Below! http://pub37.ezboard.com/bchevyastroandgmcsafari

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……and GM scraped Olds with decent looking cars! RJL

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…….and GM scraped Olds with decent looking cars!

Decent to very nice, and that were not selling.  

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That aztek reminds me of what a scaled-down version of the Family Truckster might look like……wonder if they have the Pea Green color

More like a kid’s playhouse on wheels…

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That aztek reminds me of what a scaled-down version of the Family Truckster might look like……wonder if they have the Pea Green color More like a kid’s playhouse on wheels…

When I was a youngster, they had these big compacting trash trucks running around in Los Angeles.  They were White trucks, and the compactor unit was Leach.  When I first saw an Aztek from the back, it brought back the picture in my mind of those trucks.

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……and GM scraped Olds with decent looking cars!

Debatable..  But decent looking or not, they were poor sellers. Olds was nothing but a Cancer for GM..  It’s not something they needed to keep around. — Mark – Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Chevy Astro / GMC Safari Message Board! Click Below! http://pub37.ezboard.com/bchevyastroandgmcsafari

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Debatable..  But decent looking or not, they were poor sellers. Olds was nothing but a Cancer for GM..  It’s not something they needed to keep around.

Hmmm, this is true.  I’m 24 years old and a die-hard Oldsmobile fan.  But, as an Economics major, I have to agree it was a good idea to kill Oldsmobile as a division.  I’ve watched the auto industry for several years now.  I’ve noticed that Buick seems to be trying to change it’s stodgy-traditional image of being a "old person’s" car.  Here you have the latest array of concept cars and the new Rendezvous "SUV" aka minivan with a defined front end.  If Buick is not able to change it’s image, I can only see it taking the highway to auto heaven with Oldsmobile in a few years.  I mean GM is obviously moving towards two main divisions, Chevrolet-Chevrolet Trucks and Pontiac-GMC.  Cadillac and Saturn both have their niche in the marketplace that is well defined.  Unfortunately, GM has been very slow at meeting customers’ demands and the import competition.  So, it only makes sense that traditional brands such as Oldsmobile and Buick be euthanized. Now, I mentioned that I am an Oldsmobile fan.  So, IMHO, it will be missed.  I thought the Olds cars were heading in the right direction design-wise.  Now that Olds is dead, I really have to question my loyalty to GM.  I mean, what kind of management do you have when you take one of the top selling American nameplates to demise in less than two decades.  Then again, there is GM’s SUV obsession.  Most people would agree that due to rising insurance rates and gas prices as unstable as a southern California faultline, the SUV craze has seen it’s zenith.  Unless GM can find a way to dump the tortoise attitude at meeting the customers’ demands, it’s market share will only continue to dwindle. Anyway, I will get off my soap box now.  I just had to vent. Take care and God bless, Jeremy

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Why not just keep Cadillacs, Chevrolet, Park Avenues, Grand Ams and Prix’s. Everything else is duplication or doesn’t sell.  Have different handling/tire packages available on Chevrolets to please people who want handling or floating.  Market share is going to go down to maybe 25%, they couldn’t even figure out how to market their best driving car line.  Current new Olds owners for their next car probably won’t go for boyracer Pontiacs or floating Buicks, but they may use their $1500 vouchers for Chevys if they need to save the cash instead of getting that Maxima, Jetta, or Accord they really want to get.

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That aztek reminds me of what a scaled-down version of the Family Truckster might look like……wonder if they have the Pea Green color More like a kid’s playhouse on wheels…

More like a scaled-down municipal trash truck. DS

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Nah, 1967 Bel Air, I had one of those battleships. Yeesh!!! About as long as a football field, no shape. The Aztec is not my favorite, but I don’t think that it is that bad. Personnaly, I think the Ford Focus is about the ugliest thing on the road now. Aztek hands down?

– See ya!!! Danman

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I agree, I think you will see automobile manufacturers start to streamline their lineups. I mean, what is the use in making the same vehicle with minor cosmetic changes and selling it under 5 different names (import and domestic names I might add). It just doesn’t make good financial sense to do that. With so many automobile manufacturers getting in bed together (Ford, Mazda, Nissan) (GM, Honda, Isuzu, Toyota) (Chrystler, Mitsubishi), brands have really become a thing of the past. We kinda have generic vehicles now that are some sort of bastardization of several different manufacturers. I think you would be hard pressed to find a car true to it’s name anymore. I have a Nissan Pickup. It was built in a Ford plant with parts supplied by Nissan that were made in Tennessee. Eventually, I think you may see GM be reduced to Chevrolet, Cadillac, and maybe Pontiac. They could go after the Buick/ Olds market with some lower line Cadillac’s. It seems as if they are putting all of the performance vehicles under the Pontiac flag, and Chevy is going after the daily driver/ economical vehicles. Chrystler is killing Plymouth. I expect that it is only a matter of time before Ford kills Mercury. Certainly this trend will continue over the next 10 years. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Debatable..  But decent looking or not, they were poor sellers. Olds was nothing but a Cancer for GM..  It’s not something they needed to keep around. Hmmm, this is true.  I’m 24 years old and a die-hard Oldsmobile fan.  But, as an Economics major, I have to agree it was a good idea to kill Oldsmobile as a division.  I’ve watched the auto industry for several years now.  I’ve noticed that Buick seems to be trying to change it’s stodgy-traditional image of being a "old person’s" car.  Here you have the latest array of concept cars and the new Rendezvous "SUV" aka minivan with a defined front end.  If Buick is not able to change it’s image, I can only see it taking the highway to auto heaven with Oldsmobile in a few years.  I mean GM is obviously moving towards two main divisions, Chevrolet-Chevrolet Trucks and Pontiac-GMC.  Cadillac and Saturn both have their niche in the marketplace that is well defined.  Unfortunately, GM has been very slow at meeting customers’ demands and the import competition.  So, it only makes sense that traditional brands such as Oldsmobile and Buick be euthanized. Now, I mentioned that I am an Oldsmobile fan.  So, IMHO, it will be missed.  I thought the Olds cars were heading in the right direction design-wise.  Now that Olds is dead, I really have to question my loyalty to GM.  I mean, what kind of management do you have when you take one of the top selling American nameplates to demise in less than two decades.  Then again, there is GM’s SUV obsession.  Most people would agree that due to rising insurance rates and gas prices as unstable as a southern California faultline, the SUV craze has seen it’s zenith.  Unless GM can find a way to dump the tortoise attitude at meeting the customers’ demands, it’s market share will only continue to dwindle. Anyway, I will get off my soap box now.  I just had to vent. Take care and God bless, Jeremy

– See ya!!! Danman

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I first time I saw one (aside from a dealer lot-many in stock) was on a return trip from the airport after dropping my brother off for an early morning return flight the day after Christmas. It was still dark and I wondered what the ugly vehicle was ahead of me. Up to this point my focus on the Astek being ugly was the front end. Well the rear end deserves its portion of criticism also. This is the only time I have seen an Astek on the road. Hopefully the Buick version will look better. BTW, I do like some other designs most others dislike. I liked the 96-99 Taurus and the new Maxima and even like its rear end styling. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aztek hands down?

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Aztek

I dunno. The new Monte Carlos and Impalas look pretty goofy. "It’s a crazy world, have fun with it." -Jerry Springer "Remember, when someone annoys you that it takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the head." – unknown What is a Team Goon? http://www.teamgoon.com My Personal page: http://teamgoon.i85.net FORMAL NOTICE: unsolicited commercial email will be read at a charge of $500 per item. Harvesting of my email address, and receipt of such email shall be considered to constitute acceptance of contract, and will be billed immediately.

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Here’s where I am — after 10-plus years of sinus problems (which escalated to about 6 infections in the last 8-9 months), my family physician finally sent me to an ENT.  ENT sent me for CT scan and allergy testing.  CT scans showed cysts (first thought they were polyps, but the report says cysts) filling 2/3 of left maxillary and 1/2 (back half) of the left (largest) sphenoid.  There was also thickening in the sphenoid, bottom of left frontal and at the opening (well, where there’s *supposed* to be an opening) to the right maxillary.  Ethmoids were mostly clear with just a little cloudiness in some small areas.  Dx: chronic sinusitis.  Fortunately, I am not in the midst of an acute attack just now. The allergy testing, about which I briefly posted last week, was negative (except for the histamine control).  In addition, the IgG/A/M bloodwork that the allergist/immunologist sent me in for has, so far, come up negative — but that’s only the ‘M’ part.  The jury is still out on the IgG/A portions — the lab screwed up and forgot to test for these.  Had more blood drawn for this early this past week, and I should have the results this week before my visit to the ENT on this coming Thursday to talk about surgery. At the moment I am ‘managing’ the sinus problems with Claritan D (although the ENT says he may have me try a combo decongestant and mucus thinner instead, since the allergy testing was negative and I may not need the antihistamine part, and certainly don’t need the sleepiness it brings).  I’m also using Singulair and Nasonex and several OTC things — saline spray, Xlear (sp?), nasal irrigation (still working on the head positioning, Dr. Grossan — thanks for your suggestion!), papaya enzymes, etc., etc.  I drink lots of water and actively stay as far from any triggers (to the non-allergenic rhinitis that complicates things) as possible. I do know that when I had to go off the Claritan D before allergy testing that I started with the problems again.  Awful headaches — on the right side, and also in back of my eyes and head.  And even now, with all this care, I still have headaches at various times.  Some days, I still have lots of drainage.  I know that the small-to-almost-nonexistant opening into the right maxillary is definitely part of the problem.  A couple of weeks ago, the whole side of my face was throbbing — finally I heard a long, drawn-out "sqeeeeeeeeak" (loud — like someone had stepped on a dog toy or something — even my husband heard it) and the headache disappeared. So I know at least a portion of this is the dreaded vacuum effect. Unfortunately, all my manipulations cannot quarantee that I can open it at any given time — even after all my various methods are tried. Once the headache starts, I’m out for the count unless I get lucky. Sometimes it lasts for days (even through the night). I am so tired (fatigue has been my middle name for years), and I am about 95-percent decided on surgery sometime in early October.  I’ve done a lot of reading here and other places on the risks and rates of recovery, and I’ve read tons of post-surgery stories (both good and bad) and have spoken with people who have had FESS (and had good outcomes).  I’m putting together a list of questions for the ENT appointment.  I’ll be taking my husband along so that he can ask questions and listen to the answers as well.  I believe that the ENT wants to avoid too much work in the sphenoid since the nerves or arteries or whatever are so close to some of the thickened portion, but at this point he believes that getting rid of the cyst is possible.  He would also remove the cyst in the left maxillary and enlarge the opening to the right.  Fortunately I have a beautifully straight septum which requires no work whatsoever.  Thank heaven for small favors. Is there anything that, in the experience of those here, is important to ask at this meeting to discuss surgery or that you should have asked but didn’t?  Also, any suggestions on building up your body/health before surgery?  I start back to work in September after five years home with my son — but fortunately I’ll be working with my husband, and he’s pretty lenient (if he knows what’s good for him) about the time I need to take off to recover.  I sure would appreciate any input on this.

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 ….. Is there anything that, in the experience of those here, is important to ask at this meeting to discuss surgery or that you should have asked but didn’t?  Also, any suggestions on building up your body/health before surgery?  I start back to work in September after five years home with my son — but fortunately I’ll be working with my husband, and he’s pretty lenient (if he knows what’s good for him) about the time I need to take off to recover.  I sure would appreciate any input on this.

I think it is important to evaluate the experience and reputation of the otolaryngologist. I would look for someone whosr primary specialty has been sinus surgery for many years. A University may be one place to look.

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On 4/22/05 9:00 AM, in article 3csld4F6m22n…@individual.net, "Susan" <Su…@nothankyou.com

wrote: I think it’s helping, but if I get infected again, I’d like to know which abx I can use with the irrigator, instead of systemically?

Many doctors are switching to using the antibiotic via hydro pulse irrigation. You remove the thick mucus to get the abx in better contact with the bacteria too. If your doctor has any questions he can contact me directly.

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wrote: x-no-archive: yes Murray Grossan wrote: We regularly combine Astelin with a Steroid spray. Are you using Pulsatile irrigation? Thanks for the info, Murray.  Yes, I’m irrigating at least daily, using some SinoFresh now and then in the evening, now that tree pollen is out. I’m about to finish the Augmentin XR, and I still have only a very small, almost pea sized area of soreness in the inner corner of my browbone (it extended almost the length of my eye when I began abx). I don’t want to have to medicate again, this is the third round this year. I just went back to my old allergist and am finally injecting potent desensitization doses of my serum again; the new allergist was so cautious (as convention dictates) that the shots had no effect at all. I’m hoping that the dramatic relief I get from these shots will knock down the allergy/infection/asthma cycle.  I feel a lot less dizzy and weak today, having skipped Advair last night. What drug would my doctor need to rx if we wanted to try irrigating with an abx instead of using it orally?  The same one? Thanks again, Susan

If you are having a sinus – asthma cycle, the cause may be failure of your nasal cilia to remove biofilm with its bacteria. Ask your doctor if using pulsatile irrigation would be of benefit for you.

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wrote: x-no-archive: yes I have chronic sinusitis that is finally coming under control after a month of Augmentin XR and nasal irrigation daily.  I still have pn drip, though, and plenty of clear mucus. The reason I’ve become  very concerned is that this is now triggering asthma, something I’ve not suffered from in the past. I gave up steroid sprays years ago, thinking they might contribute to infections by immune suppression, but I have adverse reactions to Singulair, and maybe Advair, too (elevated bp). Does anyone here know if it’s safe and/or advisable to combine Astelin with occasional steroid nasal spray?  I’ve always gotten excellent results from the Astelin, so I’m not about to give it up. Susan

We regularly combine Astelin with a Steroid spray. Are you using Pulsatile irrigation?

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Does anyone here know if it’s safe and/or advisable to combine Astelin with occasional steroid nasal spray?  I’ve always gotten excellent results from the Astelin, so I’m not about to give it up. Susan

I’m not sure what benefit occasional steroid spray use would be, since steroid sprays take at least 3 repeated days of use to have any significant effect at all, and to truly work well, you would need to use them at least 1 squirt per side every day. btw- I use Flonase every day and Astelin almost every day – with no apparent negative effects.   AW

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wrote: Hey!  I’m new here, have schizophrenia, and I guess the reason I sought it out is cause I’m having negative symptoms for the first time.  I guess I thought it was related to the quitting smoking, but this may be the price I pay to live. This morning, and for the past four mornings, I didn’t get out of bed.  I missed school and three scheduled interviews.  Could this be seasonal, cyclical or something?  It is really the first time this has ever happened to me.  I was thinking about the word, "apathy."  But, I don’t think that’s it.  I still feel and care.  I just don’t have much energy.  I’m also paranoid about school right now.  I feel like they are telling me lies. I wonder if Y’all know what I mean?  Sounds like it.  I’ve never been in a support group for schizophrenics.  I’ve read books.  Blechy!  They make it sound worse than what I have experienced. . . . So, do you think I’m having negative symptoms?  Sure have had a lot of positive ones.  Voices and what not. Well, sorry to ramble on this way. Yours Truly, Kristy

My problem with not smoking is that I start to get TOO energized. I smoke a Cig and I feel (like crap) back to normal. I want to quit soon. Maybe for my birthday. sp

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Risperdal also badly effects my respiratory system. The main reason I won’t take it. No point in being free of sz symptoms if you are dead. <chuckle

You had this too? when i told my doc that i found it hard to breathe, he was very dismissive that it was NOT the medication causing that. I was put on risperdal also. My lackage of energy increased on the meds and found myself sleeping way too much. When i was outside, walking up hills became very difficult to do, would quickly get out of breath. Before and after the meds…i am in physically good shape and find no problems walking up the hills.

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Glad to you hear you are doing O.K. without regular medication.  I thought Risperidone caused weight gain but not as severely as some other anti-psychotics. I also tried Seroquel but noticed a return of my positive symptoms and quickly switched back to Risperidone.  I’ve also heard that Seroquel has few side-effects.  Hopefully it will be available in Australia soon and you can give it a try. Frank. Dan Coyote, Jon Steiner, Fritz on the fritz, BWAG!, Morpheus <Manage…@nospam.com

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Frank wrote in message … Well I’ve stopped wearing my engineering ring because it’s simply too

tight

to get on and off without half removing my finger.  I have to get it resized.  I think this is due to weight gain though not drug-related swelling.  I can still get my wedding ring on, thank goodness. The main side-effects I’ve noticed from Risperidone are a slowed-down or sedated feeling, weight gain and a sexual side-effect when I was on

higher

doses.  Yes I realize it is very personal to mention this but I feel

people

should be open and informed about these things.  I think I’ve read that

the

sexual side-effect only occurs in a small number of people (just lucky I guess). Frank. Many people have mentioned a lessening of libido while on medication. It seems many if not most sz meds affect the sex drive. The weight gain problem of Risperdal was one of the reasons which

persuaded

me to stop taking drugs altogether. It is one of the more virulent meds in promoting weight gain, so I have

been

told by many sources. It was more important to loose weight because of the associated health problems than to worry about the problems of sz *in my case*. Risperdal also badly effects my respiratory system. The main reason I

won’t

take it. No point in being free of sz symptoms if you are dead. <chuckle I have stelizine as a back up if I need it but so far so good. If at all possible I will not take stelizine because of the very real dangers of developing TD…more so than with the newer drugs. I’ve been on the stuff for over 17 years, on and off. And as you may know, the longer you take some of the older drugs, the greater the danger of developing TD. The quantity is also a determining factor. I am waiting for seroquol <sp to come onto the Australian market. Many people say there isn’t the weight gain problem. BTW, it would have been "nice" if the initial "psychiatrist" had mentioned the long term dangers of stelizine. But this was way back in a time long ago when sufferers were not treated with respect. Has it really changed that much today, I sometimes wonder. Many, if not most of us, are between a rock and a hard place. Regards, Jon

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Ditto to the Risperdal thing (I prefer to call it Risperidone).  I started on 3 mg./day and am now down to 1 mg./day.  I found it took a long time completely eliminate my positive symptoms so don’t expect any quick miracles. Frank. Mark and Kristy <mearn…@airmail.net

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Wow!  This is interesting!  I’m on the risperdal, too.  Could that be related? Your friend, Kristy

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Frank wrote in message …

Well I’ve stopped wearing my engineering ring because it’s simply too tight to get on and off without half removing my finger.  I have to get it resized.  I think this is due to weight gain though not drug-related swelling.  I can still get my wedding ring on, thank goodness. The main side-effects I’ve noticed from Risperidone are a slowed-down or sedated feeling, weight gain and a sexual side-effect when I was on higher doses.  Yes I realize it is very personal to mention this but I feel people should be open and informed about these things.  I think I’ve read that the sexual side-effect only occurs in a small number of people (just lucky I guess). Frank.

Many people have mentioned a lessening of libido while on medication. It seems many if not most sz meds affect the sex drive. The weight gain problem of Risperdal was one of the reasons which persuaded me to stop taking drugs altogether. It is one of the more virulent meds in promoting weight gain, so I have been told by many sources. It was more important to loose weight because of the associated health problems than to worry about the problems of sz *in my case*. Risperdal also badly effects my respiratory system. The main reason I won’t take it. No point in being free of sz symptoms if you are dead. <chuckle

I have stelizine as a back up if I need it but so far so good. If at all possible I will not take stelizine because of the very real dangers of developing TD…more so than with the newer drugs. I’ve been on the stuff for over 17 years, on and off. And as you may know, the longer you take some of the older drugs, the greater the danger of developing TD. The quantity is also a determining factor. I am waiting for seroquol <sp

to come onto the Australian market. Many

people say there isn’t the weight gain problem. BTW, it would have been "nice" if the initial "psychiatrist" had mentioned the long term dangers of stelizine. But this was way back in a time long ago when sufferers were not treated with respect. Has it really changed that much today, I sometimes wonder. Many, if not most of us, are between a rock and a hard place. Regards, Jon

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Wow, 400 hours of sick time.  You win this contest hands down.  You must have a very understanding employer, like me.  Do you find you are able to distinguish between the negative symptoms of your illness and the sedative effect of Risperidone?  I am never quite sure which one is causing my "negative-like" symptoms, especially when I was on a higher dose of Risperidone. Hang in there. Frank. pete_l <pete_lNOpeS…@altavista.com.invalid

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Hi Frank! I had 400 hours off sick last year.  I turned in at 8:30am and worked 9 hours straight today.  I take 4mg/risperidone day.  If you get a heavy negative period it stays around for weeks.  It is not just one day now and then.  Plus I found If I am getting pissed off and leaned on at work the negatives are harder to work through.  If that happens to you , kick someone. Regards, Peter * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network

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Well I’ve stopped wearing my engineering ring because it’s simply too tight to get on and off without half removing my finger.  I have to get it resized.  I think this is due to weight gain though not drug-related swelling.  I can still get my wedding ring on, thank goodness. The main side-effects I’ve noticed from Risperidone are a slowed-down or sedated feeling, weight gain and a sexual side-effect when I was on higher doses.  Yes I realize it is very personal to mention this but I feel people should be open and informed about these things.  I think I’ve read that the sexual side-effect only occurs in a small number of people (just lucky I guess). Frank. Dan Coyote, Jon Steiner, Fritz on the fritz, BWAG!, Morpheus <Manage…@nospam.com

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<enter Jon Frank wrote in message … In my case I’m only on 1 mg./day of Risperidone so I would think any negative symptoms I feel are from my illness and not the medication. Side-effects should be pretty minimal at this dose. Have you ever experienced swelling of the limbs etc as a result of taking Risperadal? Jon

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Yes I found that once a lot of supports were in place and I was on the risperadol I could wake up on time a lot more.  I don’t spend so much time in bed.  I am way more active now. Frank Levy <frank…@netcom.ca

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Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be

thankful

for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish?

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Frank, It is early days, but it seems to be doing the trick for me.  I hope it works for you too – good luck! Tony http://come.to/theloonybin "Frank" <frank…@netcom.ca

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So you find Seroquel works for negative symptoms as well as positive?  I tried Seroquel when I was recovering from my psychosis and my psychotic symptoms returned so I quickly switched back to Risperidone.  Maybe I’ll

ask > my psychiatrist about Seroquel for negative symptoms.  Thanks for the tip. > Frank. > Vicky and Tony <vickyandt…@cwcom.net

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In my case I’m only on 1 mg./day of Risperidone so I would think any negative symptoms I feel are from my illness and not the medication. Side-effects should be pretty minimal at this dose.

Have you ever experienced swelling of the limbs etc as a result of taking Risperadal? Jon

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Hey!  I’m new here, have schizophrenia, and I guess the reason I sought it out is cause I’m having negative symptoms for the first time.  I guess I thought it was related to the quitting smoking, but this may be the price I pay to live. This morning, and for the past four mornings, I didn’t get out of bed.  I missed school and three scheduled interviews.  Could this be seasonal, cyclical or something?  It is really the first time this has ever happened to me.  I was thinking about the word, "apathy."  But, I don’t think that’s it.  I still feel and care.  I just don’t have much energy.  I’m also paranoid about school right now.  I feel like they are telling me lies. I wonder if Y’all know what I mean?  Sounds like it.  I’ve never been in a support group for schizophrenics.  I’ve read books.  Blechy!  They make it sound worse than what I have experienced. . . . So, do you think I’m having negative symptoms?  Sure have had a lot of positive ones.  Voices and what not. Well, sorry to ramble on this way. Yours Truly, Kristy

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Wow!  This is interesting!  I’m on the risperdal, too.  Could that be related? Your friend, Kristy

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Hi Kristy, Welcome to the group.  What you’re describing sounds like negative symptoms to me.  For myself lack of motivation is the biggest problem with a bit of apathy thrown in.  That seems to be what you are describing.  I also have trouble getting up at a specific time (especially early in the morning).  I usually am able to pull it off for something important like a meeting at work or a meeting with a client, something like that.  Where I have difficulty is on those regular everyday work days when nothing special is planned.  I find it really tough to get going on those days.  I used to find it hard to get ready to go out with friends or family as well but that seems to have diminished.  It’s mainly work related now. If your positive symptoms are disappearing I wouldn’t be surprised if the negatives are rolling on in.  I haven’t really found anything that helps although Tony has reported that Seroquel is doing the job for him (he just started on it recently).  Drinking coffee seems to help a little.  Of course you have to be out of bed to do that. Hope you feel better, Frank. Mark and Kristy <mearn…@airmail.net

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Hey!  I’m new here, have schizophrenia, and I guess the reason I sought it out is cause I’m having negative symptoms for the first time.  I guess I thought it was related to the quitting smoking, but this may be the price

I

pay to live. This morning, and for the past four mornings, I didn’t get out of bed.  I missed school and three scheduled interviews.  Could this be seasonal, cyclical or something?  It is really the first time this has ever happened to me.  I was thinking about the word, "apathy."  But, I don’t think

that’s

it.  I still feel and care.  I just don’t have much energy.  I’m also paranoid about school right now.  I feel like they are telling me lies. I wonder if Y’all know what I mean?  Sounds like it.  I’ve never been in a support group for schizophrenics.  I’ve read books.  Blechy!  They make it sound worse than what I have experienced. . . . So, do you think I’m

having

negative symptoms?  Sure have had a lot of positive ones.  Voices and what not. Well, sorry to ramble on this way. Yours Truly, Kristy

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Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out of bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally got me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing too badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can be the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be thankful for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

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  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish?

I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

— It is not laziness but more like a vacuum or a rut, being in a rut was described as a grave with both ends kicked out, but I know how hard it is to get it in gear and doing simple things like keeping a room clean or maintaining things, I think we just quit like many who get into those depression ruts and stay there as a result of trauma or some other cause, but I have often wished that someone would kick me in the rear to get started again, since it can be tough to get motivated and the batteries recharged. I also think we lose focus or direction and things being difficult that use to come easy in decision making or thinking with common sense, knowing I was an accident just waiting to happen or a walking disaster and lost that capacity to care about people and understanding things for what they are and only seeing what we imagine things to be, reading more between the lines than what is black and white and often misunderstand motives etc., but for a year or so i just wanted to find a cave and stay there in just losing that will to keep going, having no feeling for anything or anybody, just got to roll the stone away and come out of the tomb which is a process and not a project, little by little and one day at a time in changing the direction of things. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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I know where you are coming from when you speak of reading (too much) between the lines and misinterpreting motives, etc.  This was one of my main problems when I was psychotic.  I thought everything someone said had an alternate meaning (something rude or negative) when it wasn’t intended that way at all.  I’m much better at this now. Frank. Grizz <loco…@worldnet.att.net

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In article <Snmh4.205249$5r2.561…@tor-nn1.netcom.ca,   "Frank Levy" <frank…@netcom.ca wrote:   I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment

and

allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank. — It is not laziness but more like a vacuum or a rut, being in a rut was described as a grave with both ends kicked out, but I know how hard it is to get it in gear and doing simple things like keeping a room clean or maintaining things, I think we just quit like many who get into those depression ruts and stay there as a result of trauma or some other cause, but I have often wished that someone would kick me in the rear to get started again, since it can be tough to get motivated and the batteries recharged. I also think we lose focus or direction and things being difficult that use to come easy in decision making or thinking with common sense, knowing I was an accident just waiting to happen or a walking disaster and lost that capacity to care about people and understanding things for what they are and only seeing what we imagine things to be, reading more between the lines than what is black and white and often misunderstand motives etc., but for a year or so i just wanted to find a cave and stay there in just losing that will to keep going, having no feeling for anything or anybody, just got to roll the stone away and come out of the tomb which is a process and not a project, little by little and one day at a time in changing the direction of things. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Seroquel seems to be working for me Frank.  It was recommended to me as I am very intolerant of psychiatric medications and so far I am happy with it. No real side effects (which is unusual for me) apart from a dry mouth – but that is easily cured Tony http://come.to/theloonybin

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wrote: Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out of bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally got me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing too badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can be the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be thankful for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

I’ve missed allot of work this last year because of Neg symptoms. I’ve been diagnosed with SZ for 20 years, but I’ve never had Neg symptoms before, so this is new to me. I’ve basically been in bed for a year. I drag myself to work, then come home and get in bed. I don’t go out, or do anything. Like you the one thing I do get out of bed for is to get on this newsgroup. Actually I think the meds are what’s causing the "lethargy" Neg symptoms. It’s gotten a little better lately, but still pretty bad. If you figure out an answer, tell me too. SP

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It sure helps to reduce the isolation when you can’t get out!  And it’s something to look forward to! I think that it would be interesting to study the effect of the internet newsgroups and chat rooms on the psychiatric client community.  I imagine it’s opened up communication for a lot of people who previously could only ‘open up’ on the p-doc’s couch. Even a group as socially hidden as the schizophrenic community now finds itself able to share, communicate, and offer support.  What a difference! The ‘Global Village’ idiots rise up, band together,  and discover that they are people, too!  (I mean that in a nice way!  ;-)   ) Love, Strength, and Courage. Frank Levy <frank…@netcom.ca

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Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out

of

bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally got me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing too badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can

be

the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims to help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It has my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be

thankful

for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year or so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment and allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank.

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Hi Frank! I had 400 hours off sick last year.  I turned in at 8:30am and worked 9 hours straight today.  I take 4mg/risperidone day.  If you get a heavy negative period it stays around for weeks.  It is not just one day now and then.  Plus I found If I am getting pissed off and leaned on at work the negatives are harder to work through.  If that happens to you , kick someone. Regards, Peter * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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So you find Seroquel works for negative symptoms as well as positive?  I tried Seroquel when I was recovering from my psychosis and my psychotic symptoms returned so I quickly switched back to Risperidone.  Maybe I’ll ask my psychiatrist about Seroquel for negative symptoms.  Thanks for the tip. Frank. Vicky and Tony <vickyandt…@cwcom.net

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Seroquel seems to be working for me Frank.  It was recommended to me as I

am

very intolerant of psychiatric medications and so far I am happy with it. No real side effects (which is unusual for me) apart from a dry mouth –

but

that is easily cured Tony http://come.to/theloonybin

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Yea, the meds can definitely cause negative-like symptoms as well. Sometimes it’s hard to know which symptoms are from the illness and which are from the meds.  I’ve asked my psychiatrist how you can tell whether your "negative-like" symptoms are caused by the illness or the meds and she always says "I don’t know". In my case I’m only on 1 mg./day of Risperidone so I would think any negative symptoms I feel are from my illness and not the medication. Side-effects should be pretty minimal at this dose. Anyway, hang in there and I hope you feel better.  At least we still make it to work most of the time, right.  There’s something positive there! Frank. Spiritus <spiri…@sanctus.org

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In article <Snmh4.205249$5r2.561…@tor-nn1.netcom.ca, "Frank Levy" <frank…@netcom.ca wrote: Well here I am again.  Home from work on a sick day.  I couldn’t get out

of

bed until 11:30 due to negative symptoms.  The only thing that finally

got

me out was to see what was new on the newsgroup.  Still I’m not doing

too

badly.  This is the first sick day I’ve taken in 2000.  Although I have taken a couple of vacation days.  I had over 200 hours of sick time last year.  For that I feel really guilty.  I’m hoping to do much better this year.  Sometimes I think I’m just lazy but I don’t really think that can

be

the case.  I very rarely missed any sick time before my sz. Has anyone found anything that helps with negative symptoms?  I am on Risperidone (1 mg./day) and in the package liner information it claims

to

help with negative symptoms but I don’t see much evidence of that.  It

has

my positive symptoms under control though so that’s something to be

thankful

for.  My negative symptoms have diminished somewhat over the past year

or

so.  I wonder if I can expect them to continue to diminish? I’m sure glad to have this computer.  It’s given me hours of enjoyment

and

allowed me to access this newsgroup. Frank. I’ve missed allot of work this last year because of Neg symptoms. I’ve

been

diagnosed with SZ for 20 years, but I’ve never had Neg symptoms before, so this is new to me. I’ve basically been in bed for a year. I drag myself to work, then come home and get in bed. I don’t go out, or do anything. Like you the one thing I do get out of bed for is to get on this newsgroup. Actually I think the meds are what’s causing the "lethargy" Neg symptoms. It’s gotten a little better lately, but still pretty bad. If you figure

out

an answer, tell me too. SP

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My negative symptoms went away for a day.  I got lots of laundry done.  I felt energized and motivated. The only recent change, that might be a cause, is that I have been taking a Probiotic called Culturelle for three days. It is much too soon to draw any conclusions. Nothing I have ever previously done has helped with negative symptoms, so this effect is a surprise.

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newer meds helped me get more work done less sleeping all day — Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear www3.sympatico.ca/ptimusk www.webpagex.org "Cubit" <n…@no.not

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My negative symptoms went away for a day.  I got lots of laundry done.  I felt energized and motivated. The only recent change, that might be a cause, is that I have been taking

a

Probiotic called Culturelle for three days. It is much too soon to draw any conclusions. Nothing I have ever previously done has helped with negative symptoms, so this effect is a surprise.

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My doc put me on a beta blocker she seems to think it will help. Bringing my heart rate down some. Has anyone been on this and has it helped at all?

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Julie– I have mitral valve prolapse, and the first drug I was put on to control my symptoms (the most irritating being heart palipations and a racing heart) was a beta-blocker.   It did help but, since I have blood pressure in the normal to a-little-bit-low range, it ended up lowering my blood pressure to the point where I was feeling light-headed a lot.  For a while I counteracted that by eating salty foods, but eventually I went onto anti-anxiety meds (Xanax and Zoloft), which, for me, are actually more effective and have caused me far fewer side effects.  But, except for the blood pressure issue (mine went down to like 90/60 at one point, which will make you feel really, really faint), it wasn’t bad. Lori

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Hi, I took a beta blocker for several years for my anxiety – however it was started at the same time I officially started the anti-depressant I currently take.  It is difficult for me to determine how much each helped to control my symptoms.  I do know that  prior to the beta blocker I did experience a hard pounding heart beat when I would lay down at night, which was very anxiety provoking.  The beta blocker did ease that for me.  For myself, the beta blocker  was a part of a combination of meds to help manage my PD, not the only thing I was taking for it. Debbie

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My doc put me on a beta blocker she seems to think it will help. Bringing my heart rate down some. Has anyone been on this and has it helped at all?

I don

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Andy, I’ve seen three "shrinks" and all three give me something different to work with. Each one though fizzled out, couldn’t get much more after the first few visits. YMMV and IME Charla Hi Guy’s I’m starting to think that maybe I should find a new shrink. I pretty much have everything sorted out now, I can deal with the PA’s if I have to, and if I don’t have to, or don’t feel like sitting through one I go home….. to easy. I’ve got off the Xanax and Zoloft which was only making me worse and am now on Luvox and serapax, which works great. So everything is pretty cruzzy apart from the odd up and down. The problem I’m stuck with now I guess is best described as mild depression / mild constant background anxiety / mild emotional distress, no big problem, just slightly annoying. The thing is, I go to the Pdoc every week and go "this is how I feel and this is what’s going on ect" , but I don’t seem to be getting any new answers. Its always, take the meds, go to places for exposure and desensitisation of the PA’s, CBT, exercise, meditate and stop yourself as soon as you start getting in to any negative thought patterns. I feel like I talk, he listens, but doesn’t say much and what he does say I already know, and am doing it. Should I be getting more answers, and more response from him? or is that about all there is to it…. just keep going as I am and give things more time? The reason I’m asking is because I don’t want to spend more time and money building a repour with new Pdoc’s if the answers are going to be the same. Thanks. — Andy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its always, take the meds, go to places for exposure and desensitisation of the PA’s, CBT, exercise, meditate and stop yourself as soon as you start getting in to any negative thought patterns. I feel like I talk, he listens, but doesn’t say much and what he does say I already know, and am doing it. Should I be getting more answers, and more response from him? or is that about all there is to it…. just keep going as I am and give things more time? The reason I’m asking is because I don’t want to spend more time and money building a repour with new Pdoc’s if the answers are going to be the same. Thanks. — Andy

dump him therapy is a collaborative event that is involving and goal oriented-listening is not productive to getting things done-the goal is to learn coping techniques and various ways to recover. LM

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     Dear Andy,            In my experience  it has always been the same. I went to this one shrink. 12 visits and each time it was the same. I listened to him describe HIS phobias. I’d love to splash his name all over the place, but i won’t. What did help me was group therapy. Have you tried this? If not you may want to check it out Debbie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Guy’s I’m starting to think that maybe I should find a new shrink. I pretty much have everything sorted out now, I can deal with the PA’s if I have to, and if I don’t have to, or don’t feel like sitting through one I go home….. to easy. I’ve got off the Xanax and Zoloft which was only making me worse and am now on Luvox and serapax, which works great. So everything is pretty cruzzy apart from the odd up and down. The problem I’m stuck with now I guess is best described as mild depression / mild constant background anxiety / mild emotional distress, no big problem, just slightly annoying. The thing is, I go to the Pdoc every week and go "this is how I feel and this is what’s going on ect" , but I don’t seem to be getting any new answers. Its always, take the meds, go to places for exposure and desensitisation of the PA’s, CBT, exercise, meditate and stop yourself as soon as you start getting in to any negative thought patterns. I feel like I talk, he listens, but doesn’t say much and what he does say I already know, and am doing it. Should I be getting more answers, and more response from him? or is that about all there is to it…. just keep going as I am and give things more time? The reason I’m asking is because I don’t want to spend more time and money building a repour with new Pdoc’s if the answers are going to be the same. Thanks. — Andy

I agree with his referral to CBT. It seems just what you need now. I am glad that you

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We’re all here praying for you. That is great on the amount of water you drink. I’m lucky if I get 2 -8 oz glasses in. I’m working on it. Take care of yourself and tell those drs to take care of you too.

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I had a hysterectomy in 94, I was in my 30’s, best darn thing I ever did! The Dr asked me what I wanted done and I told him if it is bad remove it, if not leave it.  He gave me the strangest look.  I said, in other words Take out the Baby Carriage and leave the Play Pen!  I got to keep both my ovaries so no need for HRT. You will be great, and you will feel so much better.  I was sick for 2 years before the surgery.  God Bless.

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Thank you everyone, I had a surprise TOM yuk  I feel gross too. I be around alot the week after next, while healing hugs everyone

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a hysterectomy in 94, I was in my 30’s, best darn thing I ever did! The Dr asked me what I wanted done and I told him if it is bad remove it, if not leave it.  He gave me the strangest look.  I said, in other words Take out the Baby Carriage and leave the Play Pen!  I got to keep both my ovaries so no need for HRT. You will be great, and you will feel so much better.  I was sick for 2 years before the surgery.  God Bless.

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That’s great news, Erin!  One ovary does wonders.  : )  We’re still here…just give us a holler anytime!   (((hugs))) Doe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lot and Lotds of hugs t all of my friends here. I don’t know what i would do with out you guys, This group has been incredible. I went for my preop appointment, everything is going to be ok, he is taking everything but will leave 1 ovary so i won’t go into menopause.  Thanks guys when I am recovering I will be here alot.!!!! Erin I

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Deb, When I first started Zoloft, I had migraines for about the first two weeks.  My Dr. told me tha this is a very common side effect of Zoloft and does subside after  about two weeks….It was very very hard those first two weeks, but I managed to survive it, and after that, was fine….to this day, don’t know how I did survive it ;o)…. Robin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Corna I forget the name of the one that gave me the headache so severly, but I have been on the prozac and the elavil, the prozac was a low dosage so I did not have much problem with that one but the one that gave me the headache…. shish that one you might as well called me a zombie! But I am going to see a new dr for my depression and wanted to get some great advice before talking it over with him deb/fl Hell o Deb, What type of antidepressants are you on that effect your sexlife.  I ask because I have know sexual urges at all and I know that a big part of it is that I am in constant pain which just shrivels up all of my sexualness period, but I am also on Prosac.  Do you know anything about that drug? Thanks, Erica Glynn Cona

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Yikes! Migraines for two weeks?!?!?! How awful for you. I take 150 mgs of Zoloft daily and my experience has been good. No headaches. No decrease at all in either sexual desire or the ability to achieve orgasm (my lover has always said I am the most orgasmic woman he’s ever known… I attribute this to his skill <g). Also, the Zoloft has not unduly affected my appetite, which is good since I run to the underweight side anyway. Prozac and Paxil both killed my appetite completely. Of course, everyone is affected differently.

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One of the most reported side effects of Prozac (or any SSRI) is that of sexual dysfunction.  The higher the dose, the more likely you will experience this side effect.  So….if RSD does cause sexual dysfunction…and…the large amount of Prozac you are taking causes sexual dysfunction…   Well, it seems like you’re dealing with a double whammy. Hope you are able to take something like Viagra to overcome this! Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The prozac was prescribed by Dr. Robert L. Knobler, One of the foremost authorities in RSD and neurological diseases. If you care to dispute that with him, feel free to do so. He is an MD, Phd, psychiatrist and the professor of neurology at the Thomas Jefferson College Of Medicine. In Philadelphia, Pa. Julio This is pure nonsense. A very large percentage of all people taking Prozac report diminished or absent interest in sex, or delayed or absent orgasm. This is more likely to occur on large doses, and 80 mg./day is a large dose. Make sure that the prescribing MD knows what he/she is doing. Normally, only psychiatrists know enough about the kind of conditions that justify very large doses of Prozac. Tim Miller I am up to 80Mg of Prozac a day, and the doctor said; "it’s not the prozac that dampens the sex drive." He went on to say that due to RSD affecting the lymbic system and the brain stem, (Primitive brain) That dampens the sex drive, and the ability to have an effective erection. My neighbors have the audacity to call me a hard man. LOL Julio It seems that no 2 people react the same to any given anti-depresant. I’ve tried a half dozen or so and can’t take any of them for one reason or another. a few really psycotic reactions convinced me that the whole class of meds probably was not a good thing for me. So far, none of my doctors has managed to convince me otherwise and believe me, they’re NOT likely to. That said, My partner takes Wellbutrin with very few unwanted side effects and only a little damping of the sex drive. (Of course, with a stiff neck and bad shoulders…. but that’s another story) Good luck Ty

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Deb, I’m not a Pharmacist, but I did take Prozac on two different occasions, and do know some.  A dose of 60mg daily of Prozac is a good healthy dose.  Many people start off at 20mg and stay there for a long time or indefinitely.  Also Prozac can take 6-8 weeks before it starts working, so you may not have given it enough time.  Remember, that 6-8 weeks is an average…some may respond faster, while others take longer to respond. May I ask, who Rx’ed the Prozac to you? Someone else just posted about higher doses should really only be Rx’ed by a Psychiatrist who knows all about the drugs.  On the other hand, Prozac just may not have been the drug for you.  I have been on different Antidepressants (AD’s) over the years, be it for pain, depression, or both (some of the AD’s are also used to treat pain…Elavil, the other tricyclics, ad a new one out called Effexor, which is what I take now….).  Some have worked well, while others didn’t do a thing.  Paxil didn’t work at all for me, while Zoloft worked well, but stopped working completely after about two years, even after increasing the dose. Hope this has helped some…please email me off list if I can help you with anythihng else, or you just want to chat, vent, whatever ;o)…. Robin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Julio Nice neighbor hahaha I took prozac once and I didn’t think it seemed to help me much at all as I recall it was only 60mg but I took it for two months and still was in my black mood I wonder if maybe I needed a higher dosage… thanks for the input deb/fl I am up to 80Mg of Prozac a day, and the doctor said; "it’s not the prozac that dampens the sex drive." He went on to say that due to RSD affecting the lymbic system and the brain stem, (Primitive brain) That dampens the sex drive, and the ability to have an effective erection. My neighbors have the audacity to call me a hard man. LOL Julio It seems that no 2 people react the same to any given anti-depresant. I’ve tried a half dozen or so and can’t take any of them for one reason or another. a few really psycotic reactions convinced me that the whole class of meds probably was not a good thing for me. So far, none of my doctors has managed to convince me otherwise and believe me, they’re NOT likely to. That said, My partner takes Wellbutrin with very few unwanted side effects and only a little damping of the sex drive. (Of course, with a stiff neck and bad shoulders…. but that’s another story) Good luck Ty

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One anti depressant that isn’t supposed to affect libido is Wellbutrin….. Robin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – K Once you find that anti-depressant that doesn’t suppress the libido, give me a call.  Uh … wait.  Once you find that anti-depressant that doesn’t suppress libido, give me a month or two to switch, and then call me. Still intellectually interested in the abstract idea db I was on zoloft, with a similar problem, and they put me on Luvox, which apparently has less affect on sexual functioning, although they’ve only tested it on *men*. Better, but still not what it was… Libido’s not as much of a problem as the climax issue. I’ve used up lots of batteries…. K. Yikes !!! Nope I think I would rather be happy and not sexually deprived hahaha thanks for your info deb/fl Well Celexa is supposed to be good for that… i am on it and it really did snap me out of my depression BUT despite what the "they say" my libido has definitely been affected along with the ability to climax, which is pretty damn depressing. You may want to try it, everyone is different and it’s supposed to have fewer side affects.

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Joani I read your post and had to giggle thanks for the uplifting post and I couldn’t agree with you more even at 44 Your the best deb/fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been taking Elavil and Zoloft. 100mg. Elavil and 100 mg of Zoloft….taken the Elavil longer, about ten years! So…the dry mouth is really, really a problem because I also have Sjrogren’s! I may be 65….but…I Am Not Dead!  If you get my meaning…but..it is hard to find a "friend" at my age…so in the long run, I guess not having any isn’t to bad a problem. But I sure do Miss It!!!!  Joani

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K Once you find that anti-depressant that doesn’t suppress the libido, give me a call.  Uh … wait.  Once you find that anti-depressant that doesn’t suppress libido, give me a month or two to switch, and then call me. Still intellectually interested in the abstract idea db

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on zoloft, with a similar problem, and they put me on Luvox, which apparently has less affect on sexual functioning, although they’ve only tested it on *men*. Better, but still not what it was… Libido’s not as much of a problem as the climax issue. I’ve used up lots of batteries…. K. Yikes !!! Nope I think I would rather be happy and not sexually deprived hahaha thanks for your info deb/fl Well Celexa is supposed to be good for that… i am on it and it really did snap me out of my depression BUT despite what the "they say" my libido has definitely been affected along with the ability to climax, which is pretty damn depressing. You may want to try it, everyone is different and it’s supposed to have fewer side affects.

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Corna I forget the name of the one that gave me the headache so severly, but I have been on the prozac and the elavil, the prozac was a low dosage so I did not have much problem with that one but the one that gave me the headache…. shish that one you might as well called me a zombie! But I am going to see a new dr for my depression and wanted to get some great advice before talking it over with him deb/fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hell o Deb, What type of antidepressants are you on that effect your sexlife.  I ask because I have know sexual urges at all and I know that a big part of it is that I am in constant pain which just shrivels up all of my sexualness period, but I am also on Prosac.  Do you know anything about that drug? Thanks, Erica Glynn Cona

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I have been taking Elavil and Zoloft. 100mg. Elavil and 100 mg of Zoloft….taken the Elavil longer, about ten years! So…the dry mouth is really, really a problem because I also have Sjrogren’s! I may be 65….but…I Am Not Dead!  If you get my meaning…but..it is hard to find a "friend" at my age…so in the long run, I guess not having any isn’t to bad a problem. But I sure do Miss It!!!!  Joani

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The only anti-depressants that I’ve tried were the tricyclics (but I went through over a half-dozen of them) and in anything near an effective dosage, libido wasn’t the only problem — every one of them (and the others I suppose too) are psycho-active drugs and every one of them produces personality changes, after all, they ARE psycho-active drugs. The common side-effects are loss of libido, a general tranquilizing effect (that can be quite severe), and a sometimes separate loss of "will-power". And several of them also have cardiac side effects too. I also found that with Elavil (amytriptaline ?sp?) that the dry-mouth was intolerable in the dosage I required (100 mg).         Norm

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Howard thanks a million for your input! deb/fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you don’t mind a male entering this discussion – I tried four or five anti-depresants before I found one that works without negatively affecting my sex life or having negative side effects. Zoloft killed my sex drive and so did one or two others. For me Wellbutrin works well (no pun). Howard Aloha! Oh my!  Is this a chicken and egg question? Our pain causes depression which will surpress the libido which is even more depressing. So start on the assumption that once the anti-depressant helps get the pain under control maybe the libido will have a chance to do its thing again. At least, I think so.  Maybe not. Alohas!  Suse  (*_*)   -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser – FREE –

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Ty thanks for the input I know I have alot of side affects from different ones.. weight gain to headaches etc and I was just trying to get all the imput possible before asking the dr for another type. deb/fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It seems that no 2 people react the same to any given anti-depresant. I’ve tried a half dozen or so and can’t take any of them for one reason or another. a few really psycotic reactions convinced me that the whole class of meds probably was not a good thing for me. So far, none of my doctors has managed to convince me otherwise and believe me, they’re NOT likely to. That said, My partner takes Wellbutrin with very few unwanted side effects and only a little damping of the sex drive. (Of course, with a stiff neck and bad shoulders…. but that’s another story) Good luck Ty

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Julio Nice neighbor hahaha I took prozac once and I didn’t think it seemed to help me much at all as I recall it was only 60mg but I took it for two months and still was in my black mood I wonder if maybe I needed a higher dosage… thanks for the input deb/fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am up to 80Mg of Prozac a day, and the doctor said; "it’s not the prozac that dampens the sex drive." He went on to say that due to RSD affecting the lymbic system and the brain stem, (Primitive brain) That dampens the sex drive, and the ability to have an effective erection. My neighbors have the audacity to call me a hard man. LOL Julio It seems that no 2 people react the same to any given anti-depresant. I’ve tried a half dozen or so and can’t take any of them for one reason or another. a few really psycotic reactions convinced me that the whole class of meds probably was not a good thing for me. So far, none of my doctors has managed to convince me otherwise and believe me, they’re NOT likely to. That said, My partner takes Wellbutrin with very few unwanted side effects and only a little damping of the sex drive. (Of course, with a stiff neck and bad shoulders…. but that’s another story) Good luck Ty

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This is pure nonsense. A very large percentage of all people taking Prozac report diminished or absent interest in sex, or delayed or absent orgasm. This is more likely to occur on large doses, and 80 mg./day is a large dose. Make sure that the prescribing MD knows what he/she is doing. Normally, only psychiatrists know enough about the kind of conditions that justify very large doses of Prozac. Tim Miller – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am up to 80Mg of Prozac a day, and the doctor said; "it’s not the prozac that dampens the sex drive." He went on to say that due to RSD affecting the lymbic system and the brain stem, (Primitive brain) That dampens the sex drive, and the ability to have an effective erection. My neighbors have the audacity to call me a hard man. LOL Julio It seems that no 2 people react the same to any given anti-depresant. I’ve tried a half dozen or so and can’t take any of them for one reason or another. a few really psycotic reactions convinced me that the whole class of meds probably was not a good thing for me. So far, none of my doctors has managed to convince me otherwise and believe me, they’re NOT likely to. That said, My partner takes Wellbutrin with very few unwanted side effects and only a little damping of the sex drive. (Of course, with a stiff neck and bad shoulders…. but that’s another story) Good luck Ty

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 It seems that no 2 people react the same to any given anti-depresant. I’ve tried a half dozen or so and can’t take any of them for one reason or another. a few really psycotic reactions convinced me that the whole class of meds probably was not a good thing for me. So far, none of my doctors has managed to convince me otherwise and believe me, they’re NOT likely to. That said, My partner takes Wellbutrin with very few unwanted side effects and only a little damping of the sex drive. (Of course, with a stiff neck and bad shoulders…. but that’s another story) Good luck Ty

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Each antidepressant is a little different, and individual reactions differ, but Luvox is very similar to Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft and others. It is prescribed less often because it is more likely to cause problems with nausea, and it is only labled for obsessive-compulsive disorder, though this is stricly a marketing ploy. Tim Miller – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on zoloft, with a similar problem, and they put me on Luvox, which apparently has less affect on sexual functioning, although they’ve only tested it on *men*. Better, but still not what it was… Libido’s not as much of a problem as the climax issue. I’ve used up lots of batteries…. K. Yikes !!! Nope I think I would rather be happy and not sexually deprived hahaha thanks for your info deb/fl Well Celexa is supposed to be good for that… i am on it and it really did snap me out of my depression BUT despite what the "they say" my libido has definitely been affected along with the ability to climax, which is pretty damn depressing. You may want to try it, everyone is different and it’s supposed to have fewer side affects.

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I was on zoloft, with a similar problem, and they put me on Luvox, which apparently has less affect on sexual functioning, although they’ve only tested it on *men*. Better, but still not what it was… Libido’s not as much of a problem as the climax issue. I’ve used up lots of batteries…. K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yikes !!! Nope I think I would rather be happy and not sexually deprived hahaha thanks for your info deb/fl Well Celexa is supposed to be good for that… i am on it and it really did snap me out of my depression BUT despite what the "they say" my libido has definitely been affected along with the ability to climax, which is pretty damn depressing. You may want to try it, everyone is different and it’s supposed to have fewer side affects.

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Prozac is well-known to reduce sexual interest, interfere with orgasm, etc. Same is true for other members of Prozac family, including Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, probably Effexor. Celexa might be better. Not clear yet. Other antidepressants don’t interfere with sexual interest, but the "tricyclic antidepressants" do often cause weight gain. Elavil, Tofranil, Pamelor, and others. (These are brand names. They have all gone generic, but the generics are harder to spell. amitriptylene is one of them. nortriptylene is another. imipramine is a third.) Antidepressants that don’t often cause weight gain and don’t normally interfere with sexual interest include Serzone and Wellbutrin, also Remeron, but watch out for weight gain, and trazadone (brand name is Desyrel). Maybe a few others I didn’t think of. There is a recent trend to help chronic pain sufferers with Depakote and Neurontin, particularly Neurontin. It’s labeled as an anticonvulsant, but has several good psychiatric uses. HTH. Tim Miller – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hell o Deb, What type of antidepressants are you on that effect your sexlife.  I ask because I have know sexual urges at all and I know that a big part of it is that I am in constant pain which just shrivels up all of my sexualness period, but I am also on Prosac.  Do you know anything about that drug? Thanks, Erica Glynn Cona

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Hell o Deb, What type of antidepressants are you on that effect your sexlife.  I ask because I have know sexual urges at all and I know that a big part of it is that I am in constant pain which just shrivels up all of my sexualness period, but I am also on Prosac.  Do you know anything about that drug? Thanks, Erica Glynn Cona

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If you don’t mind a male entering this discussion – I tried four or five anti-depresants before I found one that works without negatively affecting my sex life or having negative side effects. Zoloft killed my sex drive and so did one or two others. For me Wellbutrin works well (no pun). Howard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aloha! Oh my!  Is this a chicken and egg question? Our pain causes depression which will surpress the libido which is even more depressing. So start on the assumption that once the anti-depressant helps get the pain under control maybe the libido will have a chance to do its thing again.  At least, I think so.  Maybe not. Alohas!  Suse  (*_*)   -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser – FREE –

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Hello Everyone I hope you all are having a pain free day.. My question is can anyone give me advice about anti-depressants that do not mess up your sexual urges? Thanks deb/fl

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Aloha!
Oh my!  Is this a chicken and egg question?
Our pain causes depression which will surpress the libido which is even more depressing.
So start on the assumption that once the anti-depressant helps get the pain under control maybe the libido will have a chance to do its thing again.  At least, I think so.  Maybe not.
Alohas!  Suse  (*_*)    -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****-  Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser – FREE –

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Thanks Suse I was also under this impression however I have heard that they have new meds on the market that help with that problem I have seen the commercials on tv about it and just wondered if anyone from the group had tried any of them and how they thought they worked compared to the conventional anti-depressants deb/fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aloha! Oh my!  Is this a chicken and egg question? Our pain causes depression which will surpress the libido which is even more depressing. So start on the assumption that once the anti-depressant helps get the pain under control maybe the libido will have a chance to do its thing again. At least, I think so.  Maybe not. Alohas!  Suse  (*_*)    -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****-  Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser – FREE –

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Well Celexa is supposed to be good for that… i am on it and it really did snap me out of my depression BUT despite what the "they say" my libido has definitely been affected along with the ability to climax, which is pretty damn depressing. You may want to try it, everyone is different and it’s supposed to have fewer side affects.

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Yikes !!! Nope I think I would rather be happy and not sexually deprived hahaha thanks for your info deb/fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well Celexa is supposed to be good for that… i am on it and it really did snap me out of my depression BUT despite what the "they say" my libido has definitely been affected along with the ability to climax, which is pretty damn depressing. You may want to try it, everyone is different and it’s supposed to have fewer side affects.

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How do you deal with it? I’m having a difficult time with these issues

right now. I feel that the number one goal in my life right now is to get healthy, and find a "path" with heart, but my mind keeps dwelling on my lack of true, deep, committed relationships, with friends or a lover… I was talking to someone once about priorities and in which order should you establish a healthy foundation upon which to build a strong loving relationship. The person I was with sighted the aircraft safety routine as a suitable example as how to survive. In the event of a cabin depressurization the oxygen masks drop from the locker above for you to place over your face, but sat next to you is your child. Should you place the mask on yourself first and then onto your child or should you attend to your child first? The aircraft safety videos recommend that your priority is yourself first and then those around you because you’re little if any use to anyone else if in pain or worse still – dead. Yes I know it’s trite but it’s oh so true, if you’re to have a healthy and happy relationship then it’s essential that you learn to love yourself first. The love of someone else can be like oxygen and take you high and makes you feel wonderful, but alas what happens when they deprive you of that oxygen, you fall crumpled into a heap on the floor struggling for breath. You have to learn to breath for yourself. There’s the opposite swing to that pendulum which is just as bad, if not worse, that of being too capable and not needing anyone. I don’t know which is the lesser of the two crappy situations. But as a certain asd’er would say "it’s all about balance". Your number one goal is to get healthy, the rest will follow. Regards Michael

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p&e I’m there, knowing and living the feeling, Trevor.  I would be content to just have the connection part right now.  Someone to hold my hand and tell me that they could give and receive what I take and share. Karl I still remember the dream there I still remember the time you said goodbye – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But boy, what I wouldn’t do to have someone to hold tonight, and not just anyone, but someone I could love, and connect with on many levels.

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How do you deal with it? I’m having a difficult time with these issues right now. I feel that the number one goal in my life right now is to get healthy, and find a "path" with heart, but my mind keeps dwelling on my lack of true, deep, committed relationships, with friends or a lover… Recommended reading: R.D. Laing, "The Politics of Experience." It’s helping me get through this. But boy, what I wouldn’t do to have someone to hold tonight, and not just anyone, but someone I could love, and connect with on many levels. Alas, I’m sleeping with myself tonight. Trevor "THIS IS NOT A TEST" Pratt ICQ#36663009

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It’s a good analogy Michael.

Thanks Trevor but I can’t claim the credit for it I get really devastated when I break up with someone. I think I must have an abandonment issue somewhere…my father, maybe. Not getting enough love from my mom? Being sexually abused by my stepfather. I don’t know.

Not only are the above issues to be considered Trevor, but they now form the fundamental structure to those behavioral patterns we employ when faced with parallel issues such as love, belonging, need etc (aside from the sexual abuse we share similar experiences). The one thing I’ve learnt is to accept that we have what society would affectionately term a warped sense of normality meaning that we can’t have a regular relationship without working flat out to maintain normality, not to smother, not to be aloof, overly self protective, abusive etc. I have had to learn what normal means if I’m to share my existence with a partner. My normality runs in-between self imposed parallel lines, boundaries of constraint. When someone behaves in a way that forces me to cross my parameter fence, I have to stop and ask myself "is this normal, is this safe, am I to explore previously uncharted grounds or am I being attacked?"  There are times I would give anything to know what a normal well adjusted person thinks when presented with something beyond their normal perceived range of vision. In adult life we rarely stop to change or readjust our emotional clothing, but carry on wearing those same old clothes that no longer fit. When confronted with a situation that bears a passing resemblance to a past experience such as looking for love, being needed etc – we engage automatic and travel along our established route, a route which is now redundant and only goes to Disaster Street. The first thing we do when we’ve crapped up another situation is beat the living shit out of ourselves, but that’s like punishing a child for being blind and letting the child that blinded him – go free. : I don’t think I could take being alone for the rest of my life, and that’s one of my greatest fears. It may sound a callus thing to say Trevor but if you’re to find what you’re looking for then it’s essential that you work on yourself first. People like us can’t rush into relationships carrying out pasts upon our backs because we don’t have regular and therefore safe notions of love, need, confidence and security. If you rush into a situation without hiding some of those intimidating legacies then you’re gonna scare ten bells of crap out of everyone Regards Michael

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was talking to someone once about priorities and in which order should you establish a healthy foundation upon which to build a strong loving relationship. The person I was with sighted the aircraft safety routine as a suitable example as how to survive. In the event of a cabin depressurization the oxygen masks drop from the locker above for you to place over your face, but sat next to you is your child. Should you place the mask on yourself first and then onto your child or should you attend to your child first? The aircraft safety videos recommend that your priority is yourself first and then those around you because you’re little if any use to anyone else if in pain or worse still – dead. Yes I know it’s trite but it’s oh so true, if you’re to have a healthy and happy relationship then it’s essential that you learn to love yourself first. The love of someone else can be like oxygen and take you high and makes you feel wonderful, but alas what happens when they deprive you of that oxygen, you fall crumpled into a heap on the floor struggling for breath. You have to learn to breath for yourself.

It’s a good analogy Michael. I get really devastated when I break up with someone. I think I must have an abandonment issue somewhere…my father, maybe. Not getting enough love from my mom? Being sexually abused by my stepfather. I don’t know. There’s the opposite swing to that pendulum which is just as bad, if not worse, that of being too capable and not needing anyone. I don’t know which is the lesser of the two crappy situations. But as a certain asd’er would say "it’s all about balance". Your number one goal is to get healthy, the rest will follow. Regards Michael

Thanks Michael. Balance. Because we’re never going to be perfect. We are not rocks. We are not islands. (Lots of song metaphors going on in this thread Love is like oxygen, you get too much, you get too high, not enough and you’re gonna die) I’m actually feeling less "crazed" about being alone than, say last month, or the month before that, but then I wonder, where is that point? The point when I’m ok to love someone, and they love me. Can I love myself if I’m depressed? I think that I’m pretty ok, actually, not great, not horrible, but some- place in-between. I have depression, and Essential Tremor. I’m also very smart, kinda attractive in an unusual way (androgenous, I guess, especially since my once long hair is now about 1/2in" long!), known to diplay wit and humour at times, and an extremely empathetic person. (Working hard at being non-judgemental right now) I think I like myself. Is that not good enough? How healthy do I have to be to deserve love? How fucking long do I have to wait for a good person to come along? Is it bad to need love? Healthy love? Need? Want? What does it all mean? Ahhhhhhhg. I’m so confused. I see people all around me with lovers, partners, husbands, wives, children. Are they better than me in some way? Looking at them, it doesn’t seem so. I can live without someone’s arms around me, someone to be intimate with. I’ve been doing it for quite some time. I’m still alive. I just feel a longing, that’s it, a longing to have someone understand me, and care, and vice-verca. I don’t think I could take being alone for the rest of my life, and that’s one of my greatest fears. Namaste, Trevor

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Sadly, Joyce

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!!

Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

I agree with Gary.  If you can’t bear the side effects, then your doc needs to change or adjust your medication.  I had much less of a side effect on Zoloft, but it was still unacceptable to me and my doc took me off. Iris —

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I agree with Gary that you should report it asap to your doc, just in case.  I too take 20mg daily and had some slight "chills" and a general feeling of "spaciness."  Many on Paxil appreciate its overall effect, but need to take Xanax or another of its type to help ease the numerous, but mostly minor side effects.  I find the need for Xanax diminishes as time goes on (of course your mileage may vary – YMMV).  I can’t answer your question as to whether or not your tremors will cease. From my own experience, the side effects diminish to tolerable levels and then "plateau."  Others on this ng have had the opposite experience and they had to cease taking Paxil.  See your doc, & give it some time if the doc determines the tremors do not represent a serious situation.  Inquire about the Xanax.  I have found Paxil to be wonderfully effective but not a panacea.  Let us know what happens!  :-)     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life.

Joyce, I think you should report this to your doctor immediately. Did you have a problem with trembling before taking Paxil? — Gary Cooper

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