Question:

My 7 year old chose purple this year.

topic: Socks Hey. . .Me too!

Response:

I’m jealous Its great that you do your shopping like that – the wholesale way. The only thing that I buy in huge amount are socks. And everyone knows the reason for that……. Because I have my Walkman and Discman and Watchman (sigh) with me most of the time, I’m always running out. Always. What gets to me is the huge jar-full of old, stale batteries that I have to dispose of and keep wondering about the landfills, and how the lithium, or cadmium will f up the earth, so I keep hanging on to them. (I must have 1000 by now). <BR I have them in my gym bag, the glove compartment of the car.  For only 4 people in<BR our house, we shop like we’re outfitting Patton’s Army.  My husband grew up in a<BR large family that was always running out of things, so he stocks up like we’re<BR survivialists.   (We probably have thousands of dollars invested in soap and<BR toothbrushes, alone). But, left to my own devices…..<BR

Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Response:

What gets to me is the huge jar-full of old, stale batteries that I have to dispose of and keep wondering about the landfills, and how the lithium, or cadmium will f up the earth, so I keep hanging on to them. (I must have 1000 by now).

The cadmium in  nickel-cadmium batteries is extremely toxic and should be returned to a special recycling center.  Lead-acid batteries need to be recycled too.  Most of the other commercial batteries can be disposed of safely in a landfill. Have I forgotten any toxic ones? Don’t worry about lithium. George

Response:

We own a restaurant so wholesale is an option, but I use lots of rechargeable batteries, too.  They are more expensive at first and of course, you have to remember to recharge, which is a problem for me, but it’s on my weekly schedule of kid tasks.  My local chain hardware store takes bigger batteries for recycling. Each year, my kids can pick a sock color (my son wears a uniform, so white is for everyday) and we buy tons in that color.  My 7 year old chose purple this year. I wouldn’t have thought up most of this stuff, but my husband is very organized. Also, I went to a CHADD meeting where they handed out "voluntary simplicity" tips.  I don’t know if I’m really that voluntarily simple, but lots of those ideas (also Tightwad Gazette stuff) really makes life easier. I always have generic presents around, too, so my kids aren’t caught short at birthdays, etc.  I wish ADD Warehouse or someone would make tablets of "TO DO" sheets geared for us. If the left-handers are a market niche, surely we are too. kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m jealous Its great that you do your shopping like that – the wholesale way. The only thing that I buy in huge amount are socks. And everyone knows the reason for that……. Because I have my Walkman and Discman and Watchman (sigh) with me most of the time, I’m always running out. Always. What gets to me is the huge jar-full of old, stale batteries that I have to dispose of and keep wondering about the landfills, and how the lithium, or cadmium will f up the earth, so I keep hanging on to them. (I must have 1000 by now). <BR I have them in my gym bag, the glove compartment of the car.  For only 4 people in<BR our house, we shop like we’re outfitting Patton’s Army.  My husband grew up in a<BR large family that was always running out of things, so he stocks up like we’re<BR survivialists.   (We probably have thousands of dollars invested in soap and<BR toothbrushes, alone). But, left to my own devices…..<BR Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Response:

Greetings to all, A while ago, a thread began with [words to the effect]: The school wants me to give my children more structure.  How can I do that when I can’t do it for myself?"   This led to discussion of organization techniques … lists and notebooks   One writer questioned how to keep the notebook handy and was told to use a string (I would have suggested using silk jewelry cording <g) to hang the notebook on his neck.   A followup message asked advice about proper disposal methods for the soggy mess of a notebook that was destroyed by being drenched in the shower.   Well friends, there is a solution.   There are notebooks made with waterproof paper.   Checkout the "Rite in the Rain" products from the J L Darling Corporation, found at http://www.riteintherain.com If you check their list of catalog dealers and go to http://www.cgsmule.com/ The specific web page for this is found at http://www.cgsmule.com/ct269303.html You would also be able to buy the "Fisher Space Pen" — writes anywhere, even upside down.  Probably even works in the shower.   cheers … — Martin G. Diehl I am what I am.  All opinions expressed within are strictly my own. If Ziggy says "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once", and Newton teaches that Gravity brings all matter together, could we say that Time and Gravity have an antagonistic relationship?

Response:

I love this!  I use (I know I look stupid) one of those little, voice-activated tape recorders ("Note to self") like Alan Alda’s character in whatever Woody Allen movie that was.  Thoughts fly in, don’t fly out.  I might not always follow up, but I’ve got it on tape! Kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings to all, A while ago, a thread began with [words to the effect]: The school wants me to give my children more structure.  How can I do that when I can’t do it for myself?" This led to discussion of organization techniques … lists and notebooks One writer questioned how to keep the notebook handy and was told to use a string (I would have suggested using silk jewelry cording <g) to hang the notebook on his neck. A followup message asked advice about proper disposal methods for the soggy mess of a notebook that was destroyed by being drenched in the shower. Well friends, there is a solution. There are notebooks made with waterproof paper. Checkout the "Rite in the Rain" products from the J L Darling Corporation, found at http://www.riteintherain.com If you check their list of catalog dealers and go to http://www.cgsmule.com/ The specific web page for this is found at http://www.cgsmule.com/ct269303.html You would also be able to buy the "Fisher Space Pen" — writes anywhere, even upside down.  Probably even works in the shower. cheers … — Martin G. Diehl I am what I am.  All opinions expressed within are strictly my own. If Ziggy says "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once", and Newton teaches that Gravity brings all matter together, could we say that Time and Gravity have an antagonistic relationship?

Response:

Yes, but do you have batteries? Ah-ha! Thought so…:-) I love this!  I use (I know I look stupid) one of those little,<BR voice-activated tape recorders ("Note to self") like Alan Alda’s<BR character in whatever Woody Allen movie that was.  Thoughts fly in, don’t<BR fly out.  I might not always follow up, but I’ve got it on tape!<BR

Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Response:

I have them in my gym bag, the glove compartment of the car.  For only 4 people in our house, we shop like we’re outfitting Patton’s Army.  My husband grew up in a large family that was always running out of things, so he stocks up like we’re survivialists.   (We probably have thousands of dollars invested in soap and toothbrushes, alone). But, left to my own devices….. Kate coe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, but do you have batteries? Ah-ha! Thought so…:-) I love this!  I use (I know I look stupid) one of those little,<BR voice-activated tape recorders ("Note to self") like Alan Alda’s<BR character in whatever Woody Allen movie that was.  Thoughts fly in, don’t<BR fly out.  I might not always follow up, but I’ve got it on tape!<BR Peace out ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If my reptilian hindbrain feels a need to retreat into shallow fantasized self-identification with a female archetype, I’d rather it be Tank Girl than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, or Snow White. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Response:

Question:

I have recently lost my medical insurance and can’t afford my asthma and allergy meds. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or  knew of  any read the postings that often so email is the best bet. Thanks

Visit My Homepage!!!!

Response:

Searle (a drug company) offers some free meds to needy patients. Your doctor has to enroll by calling 1-800-542-2526 and he will be sent coupons to give you if you qualify.     Drugs covered:         Aldacrazide – a diuretic for blood pressure         Aldactone         Calan and SR form – blood pressure         Cytotec- for NSAID induced gastritis         Kerlone         Maxaquin – a high potency antibiotic         Norpace and CR form         Covera Medscape has a directory – they will make you register before entering.     http://www.medscape.com/Medscape/RxSampleLink/rx-disclm.html The pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing Assoc. puts out a directory         Call 1-800-PMA-INFO There is a web site run by volunteers         http://www.needymeds.com — Good Luck, CBI, M.D. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D.     I have recently lost my medical insurance and can’t afford my asthma and     allergy meds. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or  knew of  any     read the postings that often so email is the best bet.     Thanks

Response:

You can try www.thirdage.com  they have a list of drug companies that you can apply too for help.  I have received a free 1 yr. supply of accolate and provential,  serevent and flovent for $5 apiece a month.  The main requirement is financial need and the other questions vary. Hope this helps Theresa     I have recently lost my medical insurance and can’t afford my asthma and     allergy meds. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or  knew of  any     read the postings that often so email is the best bet.     Thanks

Response:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Also try asking your doctor for samples. I have done this because I do not have a drug card with my plan, and I was taking a double dose of one of my meds for a while. My doctor was very understanding!   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You can try www.thirdage.com  they have a list of drug companies that = you can apply too for help.  I have received a free 1 yr. supply of = accolate and provential,  serevent and flovent for $5 apiece a month.  = The main requirement is financial need and the other questions vary. Hope this helps Theresa   =20    I have recently lost my medical insurance and can’t afford my asthma = and    allergy meds. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or  knew of  = any    read the postings that often so email is the best bet.=20    Thanks Content-Type: text/html;        charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN" <HTML <HEAD <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type <META content=3D’"MSHTML 4.72.2106.6"’ name=3DGENERATOR </HEAD <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff <DIV<FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2You can try <A=20 href=3D"http://www.thirdage.com"www.thirdage.com</A&nbsp; they have a = list of=20 drug companies that you can apply too for help.&nbsp; I have received a = free 1=20 yr. supply of accolate and provential,&nbsp; serevent and flovent for $5 = apiece=20 a month.&nbsp; The main requirement is financial need and the other = questions=20 vary.</FONT</DIV <DIV<FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2</FONT<FONT size=3D2Hope this = helps</FONT</DIV <DIV<FONT size=3D2Theresa</FONT</DIV <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"    = d-112.bryant.webtv.net</A&gt;…</DIV<BRI=20    have recently lost my medical insurance and can’t afford my asthma=20    and<BRallergy meds. I was wondering if anyone had any advice = or&nbsp; knew=20    of&nbsp; any<BRorganizations that can help me. Email me at <A=20 dont<BRread the=20    postings that often so email is the best bet.=20 <BRThanks<BR</BLOCKQUOTE</BODY</HTML

Response:

Question:

I don’t know if it is because of Advair or not, but my father went into V-Fib 1 month after taking advair. He was very happy with the way he felt being on Advair, but never mentioned anything about the warnings. I just noticed that the warnings say that Advair can change heart rhythm.  That is exactly what happened to my father.  He never had heart problems before, in fact, his Dr has commented before that he has a very strong heart. I’m not sure where to go with this.  I just want to make sure that everyone takes these warnings seriously. Please be careful.  Having this happen to my father has been very difficult. Dave

Response:

It may have been a cumulative effect was he taking something else before Advair. Many asthma sufferers take a form of steroids and albuterol and heart problems are frequent. My best wishes to you and your family and thanks for a difficult reminder. Lane

Response:

Your comments can be true.  However, since being on Advair, he hasn’t used his inhaler, and he hasn’t taken prednisone for quite some time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It may have been a cumulative effect was he taking something else before Advair. Many asthma sufferers take a form of steroids and albuterol and heart problems are frequent. My best wishes to you and your family and thanks for a difficult reminder. Lane

Response:

It is always difficult to know if a drug side effect is responsible or not. The PDR lists the same 101 side effects for every drug. While I was takng "anyoldmycin" my stocks plunged, my car wouldn’t start and I cut myself shaving. Was all this caused by "anyoldmycin"? Unfortunately it takes a very long time to decide which – if any – ofthe 101 side effects are "real" and requires withdrawal of a medication. The ingredients in Advair are quite common ones and seem to help many persons. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

Response:

Many people find Advair and Flovent disagreeable immedeiately.  So they switch to Pulmicort, which, conversely, is not for everyone.  These two are both powerful and effective steroids. Address:http://www.consumerlawpage.com/article/asthma.shtml Changed:9:56 PM on Friday, November 8, 2002

Response:

Question:

now, my doctor wants to take me off the effexor to see if it is the problem… i have already slipped backwards because of all this and new financial problems created by my ex— i am scared to death to go off the effexor.

Also, think about getting a second opinion on the drug issues from a psychiatrist. Bruce.

Response:

things have slowly deteriorating health wise for me… nothing deadly like cancer — i just feel dead.  i think my metabolism is running on empty. after a slew of testing nothing has been found yet…

((((((((((((((Donna)))))))))))))))) As I’m sure you’ve read, that isn’t one of the common side effects of effexor, but everyone is different.  Make sure you’re not taking any over-the-counter (e.g. St John’s Wort) or prescription drugs that might be interacting with the effexor. i am so disgusted.  all i know is, if this is how it feels to be 46 i’d rather be dead.

No, this is NOT how 46 feels!  There is nothing about getting older that makes us feel bad.  It’s the bumps in the road along the way that can drag us down.  But it’s always temporary.  Sooner or later we figure out what’s wrong and set it right.  Please hang on! now, my doctor wants to take me off the effexor to see if it is the problem… i have already slipped backwards because of all this and new financial problems created by my ex— i am scared to death to go off the effexor.

What dosage are you on?  It’s hard to guess because too little Effexor can worsen depression and with it fatigue, but it’s also a possible side effect of the effexor so it’s very difficult to even guess.  I’ve read that lethargy is not usually associated with effexor, so the symptoms and stress you are under sounds more like increasing the dosage might be more appropriate.  Or if the effexor is pooping out on you, switching to another AD drug like Welbutrin.. And with all that stress you’re under, don’t forget that alcohol can  worsen depression. And if you do try to stop the Effexor, remember to do it SLOWLY!!  Take several weeks at least.  The withdrawal symptoms can worsen fatigue if you don’t go slowly. i don’t want to fall down further.   i can’t, i won’t want to get back up.

Just remember that it does and WILL get better.  Not as quickly as any sufferer of depression would like, but it DOES get better.  So hang in there and keep fighting. Bruce.

Response:

I don’t blame you for not wanting to go off the Effexor. I have Addison’s Disease, and I don’t know where I’d be without Effexor. I tried Celexa before, which didn’t work at all. At this point I’m considering switching to something different, but I’m not sure if that’s a good idea. My depression has got much worse in recent months, so perhaps changing drugs is not the right way… What is your dosage? I’m on 150mg/day… Sincerely, Daniel in Tulsa

Response:

hello… and thank you for your kind words.  sorry i can’t reply to each of your messages individually, but i lost your posts when i upgraded to explorer 6 last night.  it was so nice to see so many names i recognized~ rj, bruce, ed p, cindi– she’s back  – and nice to meet jim. things have slowly deteriorating health wise for me… nothing deadly like cancer — i just feel dead.  i think my metabolism is running on empty. after a slew of testing nothing has been found yet…  i am so disgusted.  all i know is, if this is how it feels to be 46 i’d rather be dead.   now, my doctor wants to take me off the effexor to see if it is the problem… i have already slipped backwards because of all this and new financial problems created by my ex— i am scared to death to go off the effexor. i don’t want to fall down further.   i can’t, i won’t want to get back up. — ~i’m so popular ’round here i’ve forgotten my own name~ ASD Birthday Pages<http://www.geocities.com/asdbday/ April Love Pages <http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Booth/9337/

Response:

Question:

Jews don’t  have a man made God. Arab refugees  were intentionally not absorbed into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugees group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples land. Israel makes up I think less than 2% of the people in Arab territory. You can tell who has God. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zionism Only Exist Through Terrorism The Philosophies of Terrorism and Force Since Zionism relies upon a form of apartheid, it should be led to destroy its foes based upon the principle of apartheid that teaches "survival is for the best". In other words, in order to protect themselves, the superior race has authority to control, by whatever means, the lower, inferior race. This is considered to be a natural law of survival. However, the Zionists also rely on the false claim that the Jews have been persecuted throughout ages, which gives them the justification to behave as they do.  According to the Zionist perspective, the Jew has lived under continual persecution throughout time and therefore he has to raise his sword against all his foes and seek retribution. Begin believed that the Jews would not be able to live peacefully unless they proved that they were the strongest, that they have to be merciless, because being merciful is a sign of weakness and would threaten the existence of the Jews. In addition to natural philosophy and false history, Zionism has tried to achieve the establishment of a so-called "vital domain", which entails the erection of walls and easily defendable borders, or the creation of a natural extension to the State, so as to facilitate its political, economic and ideological movement. Thus, the existence of the State of Israel naturally requires the use of force, because this State is surrounded by the Arabs, who should be sent a clear message that they will be exterminated if they do not accept the Zionist ideology. The philosophy and practices of the Zionists rely on both modern ideas as well as the ancient religion of the Jews. This is because the Jewish religion, as created by the rabbis, remains as a source of inspiration for all those who adopt terrorism and glorify force. The Prophet Ezekeil says, "Do not be merciful, murder everybody, including the young, the old, the virgins, the children and the women, all of whom should be destroyed." It is also mentioned in the Talmud that, "The Jew should murder an infidel because this will make him closer to God." It also says, "Jesus Christ and his disciples are infidels". Yahuthkia says that, "This statement includes all the pagans". On the other hand, Memanoud interprets the words of God, which say "Do not kill" as meaning "God prohibits the killing of the Jews", and in addition, the Jews should "Forgive the non-Jew even he is an atheist, kills an Israeli, or if he has slept with a Jewish woman, as long as he becomes a Jew".  Hence, we have two representations of murder: the first urges the committing of murder, regardless of any ethical or moral reference, and it considers murder a permitted action, without any limitations or restrictions, being applicable for all, men, women, children and the elderly. The second representation supplements the first, because it permits the killing of non-Jews in retribution; this applies to all peoples who are not of the Jews, including Jesus, and all his followers, who are considered to be infidels. Consequently, the world is divided into two parts; the first is the realm of the Jew who stands with a raised sword, and the second is the realm which belongs to all non-Jews, who must be exterminated. This philosophy is a result of the belief that the Jew is the mirror of God on earth, and that therefore in his role as God’s reflection on earth, he is capable of distinguishing between faith and unfaith. Again, this is similar to the image of the Arian, as used in the Hitlerite philosophy of Resenburgh, which divides the world into black and white, or man and beasts, with the role of man being to clear the earth of all fierce and primitive life forms.  The Jewish theology teaches, that the universe will not be beautiful unless it is cleansed by the Jewish sword of all the foes of the Jews; hence murder has become the sole means of achieving this beauty. In searching for this beauty, the Zionists have simplified the first teachings of Zionism, so that they are close to the teachings of the church and political reality, which rely on terrorism. Under these teachings, since most of people are barbarians, the best way to rule them is through violence and terrorism, rather than through democracy or social debates. The wise men can impose absolute racial discrimination, because the world is divided into savages and the chosen few, who have the right to govern the entire world. Thus the Zionists do not simply talk about the kingdom of Jerusalem, the Promised Land, or Utopia, they believe that they have the right to rule the whole world.  As we have already discussed, the Zionists believe that this can only be achieved through murder and war. Indeed, it is argued that war is the beginning and the end, and that it is the way of the strong, while politics is for the weak. The wise men of Zion found their beliefs on history and human experience-they believe that people were originally ruled by brutal, blind force and later by law, which they see as being one and the same thing. Zionism expresses three facts: first, that brutality is an innate part of human nature; secondly, Zionism accepts the brutal side of human history and does not recognize the enlightenment, which emphasizes the right of all peoples to live peacefully. It does not even approach the humanitarian ideas of Russell, Albert Einstein, and Karl Marx, instead it refers to the pre-human phase or the "human cattle" society, where man was ruled solely by instinct, far away from the rational development phases of humanity. Thus Zionism adopts the use of blind instinct and refers to the man of the primitive era, where he was ruled by instinct, while it disregards the development of human societies, rationally, ethically and culturally; and thirdly, because Zionism disregards the development of the human society, it equates modern law with the natural laws of brutal force, thus completing its circle of darkness.  Zionism epitomizes the use of war instead of politics, persecution instead of debate, instinct instead of reason, the old instead of the new, and the Jews instead of all others. As they have said, "We are the source of terrorism everywhere, and all people belonging to various origins and faiths are keen on serving our goals." They state that their policy is one of force and double-dealing because they can see that success can be achieved by force, especially force which is necessary for the politician who must depend upon his genius, violence and cunning. Zionism does not only adopt the use of terrorism, war and force, it also disdains all that is considered to be humane and ethical, thus it glorifies double-dealing and cunning, and considers them innate qualities for the genius. Such a philosophy binds humanity with evil, sheds blood and denies the human standards, which confirms the unity of human society, the development of reason and the promotion of the human culture. This is because racialism denies humanity, sheds blood, monopolizes the human qualities, and generally does not recognize humanity, except as an inferior standard. Ben Gurion rationalized and justified terrorism when he said that the rifle was invented to kill others and that the soldier is the means to carry this out, and that this is the case just as water is for drinking and air is for breathing. Furthermore, that "Armed and powerful people are to be considered as a danger against themselves as well as others, especially when they are more powerful than the others, consequently we should exterminate them. This is the mission of the Hagana members who must always be merciless, bearing in mind that man has never been an angel, but consists merely of flesh and blood, that he may misuse his powers unless he is always under control." Ben Gurion has revived the teachings of Zion’s wise men, and he has rationalized these teachings, proposing that the armed man is a natural phenomenon that develops just as all other natural phenomena do. He teaches that arms are a natural part of the universe, and that the fighter grows as naturally as the plants; this is an idea that is similar in many ways to the belief in the law of the jungle. On another level, he discusses the political economy of force, which, he argues, will turn upon its creator as well as society unless it is channelled through carefully chosen methods, such as terrorism. He proposes that such a policy will achieve balance in the society which otherwise risks being destroyed. This is similar to the power of sexual energy, which can cause negative and destructive psychiatric symptoms, unless it is released. Consequently, in order to preserve both the body and soul, the use of violence is deemed to be a necessity. Respectively, the means to control this energy is through a ’superpower’, which does not suppress violence but rather systematically unleashes it. Thus, according to Ben Gurion, the State is the instrument to control and channel violence to the right path, that, although violence should be regulated, it is essential to the existence of the State.  This philosophy considers violence to be a natural instinct and murder a natural necessity, that man cannot achieve a healthy balance unless he releases his destructive

… read more »

Response:

Zionism Only Exist Through Terrorism

Garbage deleted. Why is it that the people using Muslim names in here spout the most insane anti-Jewish trash I have ever had the displeasure to read? If someone was to speak like this in a free country, we’d consider them a bit touched in the head.

Response:

SO, BUBU Why are muslems more entitled to a state of their own thatn would be others? How do arabs live unhindered in Israel? DO tell the answers to these questions o great one

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zionism Only Exist Through Terrorism The Philosophies of Terrorism and Force Since Zionism relies upon a form of apartheid, it should be led to destroy its foes based upon the principle of apartheid that teaches "survival is for the best". In other words, in order to protect themselves, the superior race has authority to control, by whatever means, the lower, inferior race. This is considered to be a natural law of survival. However, the Zionists also rely on the false claim that the Jews have been persecuted throughout ages, which gives them the justification to behave as they do.  According to the Zionist perspective, the Jew has lived under continual persecution throughout time and therefore he has to raise his sword against all his foes and seek retribution. Begin believed that the Jews would not be able to live peacefully unless they proved that they were the strongest, that they have to be merciless, because being merciful is a sign of weakness and would threaten the existence of the Jews. In addition to natural philosophy and false history, Zionism has tried to achieve the establishment of a so-called "vital domain", which entails the erection of walls and easily defendable borders, or the creation of a natural extension to the State, so as to facilitate its political, economic and ideological movement. Thus, the existence of the State of Israel naturally requires the use of force, because this State is surrounded by the Arabs, who should be sent a clear message that they will be exterminated if they do not accept the Zionist ideology. The philosophy and practices of the Zionists rely on both modern ideas as well as the ancient religion of the Jews. This is because the Jewish religion, as created by the rabbis, remains as a source of inspiration for all those who adopt terrorism and glorify force. The Prophet Ezekeil says, "Do not be merciful, murder everybody, including the young, the old, the virgins, the children and the women, all of whom should be destroyed." It is also mentioned in the Talmud that, "The Jew should murder an infidel because this will make him closer to God." It also says, "Jesus Christ and his disciples are infidels". Yahuthkia says that, "This statement includes all the pagans". On the other hand, Memanoud interprets the words of God, which say "Do not kill" as meaning "God prohibits the killing of the Jews", and in addition, the Jews should "Forgive the non-Jew even he is an atheist, kills an Israeli, or if he has slept with a Jewish woman, as long as he becomes a Jew".  Hence, we have two representations of murder: the first urges the committing of murder, regardless of any ethical or moral reference, and it considers murder a permitted action, without any limitations or restrictions, being applicable for all, men, women, children and the elderly. The second representation supplements the first, because it permits the killing of non-Jews in retribution; this applies to all peoples who are not of the Jews, including Jesus, and all his followers, who are considered to be infidels. Consequently, the world is divided into two parts; the first is the realm of the Jew who stands with a raised sword, and the second is the realm which belongs to all non-Jews, who must be exterminated. This philosophy is a result of the belief that the Jew is the mirror of God on earth, and that therefore in his role as God’s reflection on earth, he is capable of distinguishing between faith and unfaith. Again, this is similar to the image of the Arian, as used in the Hitlerite philosophy of Resenburgh, which divides the world into black and white, or man and beasts, with the role of man being to clear the earth of all fierce and primitive life forms.  The Jewish theology teaches, that the universe will not be beautiful unless it is cleansed by the Jewish sword of all the foes of the Jews; hence murder has become the sole means of achieving this beauty. In searching for this beauty, the Zionists have simplified the first teachings of Zionism, so that they are close to the teachings of the church and political reality, which rely on terrorism. Under these teachings, since most of people are barbarians, the best way to rule them is through violence and terrorism, rather than through democracy or social debates. The wise men can impose absolute racial discrimination, because the world is divided into savages and the chosen few, who have the right to govern the entire world. Thus the Zionists do not simply talk about the kingdom of Jerusalem, the Promised Land, or Utopia, they believe that they have the right to rule the whole world.  As we have already discussed, the Zionists believe that this can only be achieved through murder and war. Indeed, it is argued that war is the beginning and the end, and that it is the way of the strong, while politics is for the weak. The wise men of Zion found their beliefs on history and human experience-they believe that people were originally ruled by brutal, blind force and later by law, which they see as being one and the same thing. Zionism expresses three facts: first, that brutality is an innate part of human nature; secondly, Zionism accepts the brutal side of human history and does not recognize the enlightenment, which emphasizes the right of all peoples to live peacefully. It does not even approach the humanitarian ideas of Russell, Albert Einstein, and Karl Marx, instead it refers to the pre-human phase or the "human cattle" society, where man was ruled solely by instinct, far away from the rational development phases of humanity. Thus Zionism adopts the use of blind instinct and refers to the man of the primitive era, where he was ruled by instinct, while it disregards the development of human societies, rationally, ethically and culturally; and thirdly, because Zionism disregards the development of the human society, it equates modern law with the natural laws of brutal force, thus completing its circle of darkness.  Zionism epitomizes the use of war instead of politics, persecution instead of debate, instinct instead of reason, the old instead of the new, and the Jews instead of all others. As they have said, "We are the source of terrorism everywhere, and all people belonging to various origins and faiths are keen on serving our goals." They state that their policy is one of force and double-dealing because they can see that success can be achieved by force, especially force which is necessary for the politician who must depend upon his genius, violence and cunning. Zionism does not only adopt the use of terrorism, war and force, it also disdains all that is considered to be humane and ethical, thus it glorifies double-dealing and cunning, and considers them innate qualities for the genius. Such a philosophy binds humanity with evil, sheds blood and denies the human standards, which confirms the unity of human society, the development of reason and the promotion of the human culture. This is because racialism denies humanity, sheds blood, monopolizes the human qualities, and generally does not recognize humanity, except as an inferior standard. Ben Gurion rationalized and justified terrorism when he said that the rifle was invented to kill others and that the soldier is the means to carry this out, and that this is the case just as water is for drinking and air is for breathing. Furthermore, that "Armed and powerful people are to be considered as a danger against themselves as well as others, especially when they are more powerful than the others, consequently we should exterminate them. This is the mission of the Hagana members who must always be merciless, bearing in mind that man has never been an angel, but consists merely of flesh and blood, that he may misuse his powers unless he is always under control." Ben Gurion has revived the teachings of Zion’s wise men, and he has rationalized these teachings, proposing that the armed man is a natural phenomenon that develops just as all other natural phenomena do. He teaches that arms are a natural part of the universe, and that the fighter grows as naturally as the plants; this is an idea that is similar in many ways to the belief in the law of the jungle. On another level, he discusses the political economy of force, which, he argues, will turn upon its creator as well as society unless it is channelled through carefully chosen methods, such as terrorism. He proposes that such a policy will achieve balance in the society which otherwise risks being destroyed. This is similar to the power of sexual energy, which can cause negative and destructive psychiatric symptoms, unless it is released. Consequently, in order to preserve both the body and soul, the use of violence is deemed to be a necessity. Respectively, the means to control this energy is through a ’superpower’, which does not suppress violence but rather systematically unleashes it. Thus, according to Ben Gurion, the State is the instrument to control and channel violence to the right path, that, although violence should be regulated, it is essential to the existence of the State.  This philosophy considers violence to be a natural instinct and murder a natural necessity, that man cannot achieve a healthy balance unless he releases his destructive potential through the act of killing. It is interesting to note here that Ben Gurion has ignored the possibility of releasing this latent

… read more »

Response:

Zionism Only Exist Through Terrorism The Philosophies of Terrorism and Force   Since Zionism relies upon a form of apartheid, it should be led to destroy its foes based upon the principle of apartheid that teaches "survival is for the best". In other words, in order to protect themselves, the superior race has authority to control, by whatever means, the lower, inferior race. This is considered to be a natural law of survival. However, the Zionists also rely on the false claim that the Jews have been persecuted throughout ages, which gives them the justification to behave as they do.  According to the Zionist perspective, the Jew has lived under continual persecution throughout time and therefore he has to raise his sword against all his foes and seek retribution. Begin believed that the Jews would not be able to live peacefully unless they proved that they were the strongest, that they have to be merciless, because being merciful is a sign of weakness and would threaten the existence of the Jews. In addition to natural philosophy and false history, Zionism has tried to achieve the establishment of a so-called "vital domain", which entails the erection of walls and easily defendable borders, or the creation of a natural extension to the State, so as to facilitate its political, economic and ideological movement. Thus, the existence of the State of Israel naturally requires the use of force, because this State is surrounded by the Arabs, who should be sent a clear message that they will be exterminated if they do not accept the Zionist ideology. The philosophy and practices of the Zionists rely on both modern ideas as well as the ancient religion of the Jews. This is because the Jewish religion, as created by the rabbis, remains as a source of inspiration for all those who adopt terrorism and glorify force. The Prophet Ezekeil says, "Do not be merciful, murder everybody, including the young, the old, the virgins, the children and the women, all of whom should be destroyed." It is also mentioned in the Talmud that, "The Jew should murder an infidel because this will make him closer to God." It also says, "Jesus Christ and his disciples are infidels". Yahuthkia says that, "This statement includes all the pagans". On the other hand, Memanoud interprets the words of God, which say "Do not kill" as meaning "God prohibits the killing of the Jews", and in addition, the Jews should "Forgive the non-Jew even he is an atheist, kills an Israeli, or if he has slept with a Jewish woman, as long as he becomes a Jew".  Hence, we have two representations of murder: the first urges the committing of murder, regardless of any ethical or moral reference, and it considers murder a permitted action, without any limitations or restrictions, being applicable for all, men, women, children and the elderly. The second representation supplements the first, because it permits the killing of non-Jews in retribution; this applies to all peoples who are not of the Jews, including Jesus, and all his followers, who are considered to be infidels. Consequently, the world is divided into two parts; the first is the realm of the Jew who stands with a raised sword, and the second is the realm which belongs to all non-Jews, who must be exterminated. This philosophy is a result of the belief that the Jew is the mirror of God on earth, and that therefore in his role as God’s reflection on earth, he is capable of distinguishing between faith and unfaith. Again, this is similar to the image of the Arian, as used in the Hitlerite philosophy of Resenburgh, which divides the world into black and white, or man and beasts, with the role of man being to clear the earth of all fierce and primitive life forms.  The Jewish theology teaches, that the universe will not be beautiful unless it is cleansed by the Jewish sword of all the foes of the Jews; hence murder has become the sole means of achieving this beauty. In searching for this beauty, the Zionists have simplified the first teachings of Zionism, so that they are close to the teachings of the church and political reality, which rely on terrorism. Under these teachings, since most of people are barbarians, the best way to rule them is through violence and terrorism, rather than through democracy or social debates. The wise men can impose absolute racial discrimination, because the world is divided into savages and the chosen few, who have the right to govern the entire world. Thus the Zionists do not simply talk about the kingdom of Jerusalem, the Promised Land, or Utopia, they believe that they have the right to rule the whole world.  As we have already discussed, the Zionists believe that this can only be achieved through murder and war. Indeed, it is argued that war is the beginning and the end, and that it is the way of the strong, while politics is for the weak. The wise men of Zion found their beliefs on history and human experience-they believe that people were originally ruled by brutal, blind force and later by law, which they see as being one and the same thing. Zionism expresses three facts: first, that brutality is an innate part of human nature; secondly, Zionism accepts the brutal side of human history and does not recognize the enlightenment, which emphasizes the right of all peoples to live peacefully. It does not even approach the humanitarian ideas of Russell, Albert Einstein, and Karl Marx, instead it refers to the pre-human phase or the "human cattle" society, where man was ruled solely by instinct, far away from the rational development phases of humanity. Thus Zionism adopts the use of blind instinct and refers to the man of the primitive era, where he was ruled by instinct, while it disregards the development of human societies, rationally, ethically and culturally; and thirdly, because Zionism disregards the development of the human society, it equates modern law with the natural laws of brutal force, thus completing its circle of darkness.  Zionism epitomizes the use of war instead of politics, persecution instead of debate, instinct instead of reason, the old instead of the new, and the Jews instead of all others. As they have said, "We are the source of terrorism everywhere, and all people belonging to various origins and faiths are keen on serving our goals." They state that their policy is one of force and double-dealing because they can see that success can be achieved by force, especially force which is necessary for the politician who must depend upon his genius, violence and cunning. Zionism does not only adopt the use of terrorism, war and force, it also disdains all that is considered to be humane and ethical, thus it glorifies double-dealing and cunning, and considers them innate qualities for the genius. Such a philosophy binds humanity with evil, sheds blood and denies the human standards, which confirms the unity of human society, the development of reason and the promotion of the human culture. This is because racialism denies humanity, sheds blood, monopolizes the human qualities, and generally does not recognize humanity, except as an inferior standard. Ben Gurion rationalized and justified terrorism when he said that the rifle was invented to kill others and that the soldier is the means to carry this out, and that this is the case just as water is for drinking and air is for breathing. Furthermore, that "Armed and powerful people are to be considered as a danger against themselves as well as others, especially when they are more powerful than the others, consequently we should exterminate them. This is the mission of the Hagana members who must always be merciless, bearing in mind that man has never been an angel, but consists merely of flesh and blood, that he may misuse his powers unless he is always under control." Ben Gurion has revived the teachings of Zion’s wise men, and he has rationalized these teachings, proposing that the armed man is a natural phenomenon that develops just as all other natural phenomena do. He teaches that arms are a natural part of the universe, and that the fighter grows as naturally as the plants; this is an idea that is similar in many ways to the belief in the law of the jungle. On another level, he discusses the political economy of force, which, he argues, will turn upon its creator as well as society unless it is channelled through carefully chosen methods, such as terrorism. He proposes that such a policy will achieve balance in the society which otherwise risks being destroyed. This is similar to the power of sexual energy, which can cause negative and destructive psychiatric symptoms, unless it is released. Consequently, in order to preserve both the body and soul, the use of violence is deemed to be a necessity. Respectively, the means to control this energy is through a ’superpower’, which does not suppress violence but rather systematically unleashes it. Thus, according to Ben Gurion, the State is the instrument to control and channel violence to the right path, that, although violence should be regulated, it is essential to the existence of the State.  This philosophy considers violence to be a natural instinct and murder a natural necessity, that man cannot achieve a healthy balance unless he releases his destructive potential through the act of killing. It is interesting to note here that Ben Gurion has ignored the possibility of releasing this latent energy through other means, such as sports, arts and community work. The reasoning here is flawed because it does not give any investigation into other possibilities, rather it ignores them because they do not suit the desired objective, the supremacy of the Jews and the annihilation of all other races. Despite this flawed philosophy, the Zionist ideology is able to permeate daily life with continual violence, soldiers and the importance of the State. Hagana itself is a terrorist organization based on its own political and economic principles. A predicament for Zionism … read more »

Response:

Question:

no ….never,

Response:

Hi Charles… I don’t like it. I’m sure…. This form was a ghost. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a question for you. Someone have an auditive or visual hallucination with Paxil or Effexor? Aline With Effexor I had a variety of symptoms, some could be classed as visual hallucinations.  To me, it was more like dream state while I was awake, or awake state while I thought I was asleep. It also didn’t work on my depression, so I quit. No experience with Paxil. I have had what I think of as break-through dreams while awake on almost all the ADs I have used, usually within the first few weeks, and that goes away with time.

Response:

I have a question for you. Someone have an auditive or visual hallucination with Paxil or Effexor? Aline

With Effexor I had a variety of symptoms, some could be classed as visual hallucinations.  To me, it was more like dream state while I was awake, or awake state while I thought I was asleep. It also didn’t work on my depression, so I quit. No experience with Paxil. I have had what I think of as break-through dreams while awake on almost all the ADs I have used, usually within the first few weeks, and that goes away with time.

Response:

I have never seen Ally McBeal. I don’t watch prozakian American TV. Bri — If you post, please don’t email

Response:

No… It’s not med. You don’t understand me. Too expensive it’s not med but psychotherapy because psychotherapy change nothing for me.  I don’t want pay for nothing. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you want me to go get the post you wrote , where you told me , you’re not taking meds anymore , because they are too expensive and they make you feel bad ? I don’t stopped my meds %%%%%%% The doctor prescribed me Effexor. I need to take med.  I don’t have a choice. Aline I have a question for you. Someone have an auditive or visual hallucination with Paxil or Effexor? Aline it doesn’t matter , you stopped taking meds , remember . —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

ok Aline , whatever , have a nice day … bye . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s real… I stopped Paxil during 3 weeks because this med wasn’t good for me. Because my depression, the doctor told me I have no choice to take meds. He prescribed me an other antidepressant. Aline then why did you tell me you stopped taking all meds ? I had auditive hallucination with Paxil and Thursday evening I had visual hallucination with Effexor. I saw a strange form who disappeared rapidely.  This form was white, fluid and opaque in the same time. I don’t sleep when I saw this. Now I’m afraid… I don’t want see this again. Aline I have had several visual hallucinations with paroxetine; I had little people dancing on the end of my bed. It was cute watching them. Bri — If you post, please don’t email —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

It’s real… I stopped Paxil during 3 weeks because this med wasn’t good for me. Because my depression, the doctor told me I have no choice to take meds. He prescribed me an other antidepressant. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – then why did you tell me you stopped taking all meds ? I had auditive hallucination with Paxil and Thursday evening I had visual hallucination with Effexor. I saw a strange form who disappeared rapidely.  This form was white, fluid and opaque in the same time. I don’t sleep when I saw this. Now I’m afraid… I don’t want see this again. Aline I have had several visual hallucinations with paroxetine; I had little people dancing on the end of my bed. It was cute watching them. Bri — If you post, please don’t email —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

you want me to go get the post you wrote , where you told me , you’re not taking meds anymore , because they are too expensive and they make you feel bad ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t stopped my meds %%%%%%% The doctor prescribed me Effexor. I need to take med.  I don’t have a choice. Aline I have a question for you. Someone have an auditive or visual hallucination with Paxil or Effexor? Aline it doesn’t matter , you stopped taking meds , remember . —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

then why did you tell me you stopped taking all meds ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had auditive hallucination with Paxil and Thursday evening I had visual hallucination with Effexor. I saw a strange form who disappeared rapidely.  This form was white, fluid and opaque in the same time. I don’t sleep when I saw this. Now I’m afraid… I don’t want see this again. Aline I have had several visual hallucinations with paroxetine; I had little people dancing on the end of my bed. It was cute watching them. Bri — If you post, please don’t email

—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

I don’t stopped my meds %%%%%%% The doctor prescribed me Effexor. I need to take med.  I don’t have a choice. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a question for you. Someone have an auditive or visual hallucination with Paxil or Effexor? Aline it doesn’t matter , you stopped taking meds , remember . —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

I had auditive hallucination with Paxil and Thursday evening I had visual hallucination with Effexor. I saw a strange form who disappeared rapidely.  This form was white, fluid and opaque in the same time. I don’t sleep when I saw this. Now I’m afraid… I don’t want see this again. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had several visual hallucinations with paroxetine; I had little people dancing on the end of my bed. It was cute watching them. Bri — If you post, please don’t email

Response:

I have a question for you. Someone have an auditive or visual hallucination with Paxil or Effexor? Aline

Response:

I have had several visual hallucinations with paroxetine; I had little people dancing on the end of my bed. It was cute watching them. Bri — If you post, please don’t email

Response:

I have a question for you. Someone have an auditive or visual hallucination with Paxil or Effexor? Aline

it doesn’t matter , you stopped taking meds , remember . —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

Question:

Struggling to survive <OnTheRebo…@home.net

wrote in message

news:7__U3.48644$23.1836784@typ11.nn.bcandid.com… | it’s been really hard these 15 years pretending | everything is ok when my kids couldn’t have things other kids had while my | ex lived a lavish lifestyle.  So there’s been many times when she | disappointed the kids not even sending a birthday card that I wished I had | done an O. J. on her the night I watched through the window her screwing my | "friend" | | do you think I’m bitter?  Lol | ok ladies let the flames begin ) No flames from me.  I think you have done a great job… #1. for letting her live and #2. for raising your children in a stable home.  I applaud you for that. Bitter? You?  nah!  :o)  LOL Tee

Response:

In article <7__U3.48644$23.1836…@typ11.nn.bcandid.com

, "Struggling to

survive" <OnTheRebo…@home.net

wrote:

|  I on the other hand I’m a guy and we don’t get things like child custody | and child support much less alimony. Well, I’m a guy too… With my lawyer on a carefully managed leash, I counter sued for divorce. As I could substanciate my claims much better than she could, my case made it. When this became evident, suddenly mediation became an option…  From her ‘take the kids, and everything’ start, we separated on joint custody, with the kids have a choice, if we lived far appart; and the person without the kids having to provide (minor) financial support for the kids. When I moved from Manitoba to BC, all three of my kids chose to come with me. I raised them, essentially by myself, for the next 6 years (until they were ready to be on their own). YMMV — Take care James (#11)

Response:

On 06 Nov 1999 17:04:08 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote:

And he said this with a straight face? Kathi

Not only said it, but had his lawyer write it down.  At that time in Pennsylvania, there was no "no fault" divorce.  Somebody had to be to blame, and it turned out to be me. Being a sort of mild-mannered lady, hayfever was about the worst of the sins he could come up with. Kate

Response:

Hello ’struggling to survive’.  You won’t be getting any flames from me. It’s good to hear your story so the men with MS going through a divorce can see what might be coming at them down the road.  You are one strong person! Lorraine Reed. Struggling to survive <OnTheRebo…@home.net

wrote in message

news:7__U3.48644$23.1836784@typ11.nn.bcandid.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

So there’s been many times when she disappointed the kids not even sending a birthday card that I wished I had done an O. J. on her the night I watched through the window her screwing

my

"friend" do you think I’m bitter?  Lol ok ladies let the flames begin )

Response:

Paul, It is very likely that the extreme fatigue and the unusual need for sleep is related to stress. You have been under terrible stress for several months now, with no letup. The lawyer seems like a jerk, but you do have to look after your own interests. Gaylan Paul Jones <Paul_Jo…@btinternet.com

wrote in message

news:38236527.82029857@btinternet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Went to my GP this morning to get a repeat perscription for the sertraline (Zoloft) and talked about the fatigue and MS etc. He reckons I might have a thyroid problem to boot I hope not or do I? I guess I could just take some thyroxin and all this godamn tiredness would go away. That does it, I’m going to get out my spirit level and check my bed – I suspect that it must be perfectly horizontal Still three autoimmune diseases does seem a bit bloody rotten luck especially since I’m a bloke and they are rarer for us than for gals. 15 months ago I thought I was a perfect specimen of health. Oh well, it could be worse – I know some of you have more than this and worse ones as well. Blessings 1 – Curses 999. The nurse took 15 million little phials of blood and I’m a complete baby. Had a ‘flu jab as well. Bet I get a relapse from that – things just aren’t smiling at me right now. Next I went to my lawyer. No wonder so many people wind up in bitter divorce battles. The guy was so adversarial. He said (with relish) that this case was no ordinary divorce and he could stack up the MS as a good weapon and was just itching to tear up the pre-nuptual <sp? that muggins signed a couple of days before the knot was tied. He said it had no meaning in an English court and we could start to tear into all my wife’s assets in Spain. It made me quite sick. I’m a daft bugger but I refuse to descend to this level. I knew what I was signing, so I shall honour it. I see him getting me

Question:

 Well, I have stumbled into a setback the last few days…I am much more functional since I started the Zoloft, and when my time is occupied I do pretty dang well…However, the last couple of days, I have been alone with not much to occupy my time…This has been difficult…Not as bad as before but difficult…Today I cannot enjoy my usual Sunday morning lounge with paper in hand…Now I am begining to worry that I have peaked in the effect I will get from the Zoloft/Xanax combo…Could this be?  I am just about through with week 4 (2 weeks at 50, 2 at 100), will I see more improvement as the weeks go on…I got lots of improvement after 2 weeks, but haven’t seen any since…Need some good stuff today from you all!

Hi Charles, I can only speak from my experience with Paxil, the way I felt at week 4 was alright, the way I felt at  week 8 was good. I had a slow but steady improvement from the second week on Paxil which was the beginning of April, all the way through the summer, even though I didn`t increase my dose past the beginning of May. And I do remember having a off week around week 9 or 10, it had to do with a conflict I had with a family member. And I was so afraid I was having a setback or the med stopped working, which just added to my anxiety. Being alone use to  be a trigger for my anxiety, I think it was a lack of stimulation for me. I can tell you since being on Paxil, I LOVE being alone when I have the opportunity. My husband just had a business trip to Mexico, and normally I would be anxious, I enjoyed him being gone, this tells me I am really doing well( or maybe it is that he annoys the hell out of me <g ) You are having a rough week, but the Zoloft probably has not reached full effectiveness. You have to give it more time. I know this is easier said than done, but you need to occupy your mind. When I had a problem with boredom, what would happen is my thoughts turn inward, thinking about my anxiety and monitoring every sensation and twitch I was having. Even though you are having a bad time, from what you wrote I see improvement.  Sometimes getting better isn`t just measured in  having "good" days, but how we handle our bad days, and you say yourself, it is not as difficult as before. That tells me Zoloft is having a effect on you. Patience my dear friend, you will get there. *Hugs* P.S. And in a few weeks, if you feel you are`nt at the place you want to be, maybe increasing the Zoloft, you can go as high as 200mgs. Jackie "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I cannot accept, And the wisdom to  hide the bodies of those I had to kill today because they ticked me  off and also, help me to be careful of the toes I step on today, as  they may be connected to the butt I may have to kiss tomorrow.

Response:

Hi Charles! I cannot help with the meds questions, but I did want you to know that I am sending positive thoughts your way1 I hope you feel better soon! Being alone is tough, I know but you will get through it! Hang in there! Steph

Charles Writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To all:  Well, I have stumbled into a setback the last few days…I am much more functional since I started the Zoloft, and when my time is occupied I do pretty dang well…However, the last couple of days, I have been alone with not much to occupy my time…This has been difficult…Not as bad as before but difficult…Today I cannot enjoy my usual Sunday morning lounge with paper in hand…Now I am begining to worry that I have peaked in the effect I will get from the Zoloft/Xanax combo…Could this be?  I am just about through with week 4 (2 weeks at 50, 2 at 100), will I see more improvement as the weeks go on…I got lots of improvement after 2 weeks, but haven’t seen any since…Need some good stuff today from you all! Thanks, — Charles Phipps

Response:

Question:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Yikes!!!  Yesterday I was ‘locked out’ of newsgroup because of some stuff Worldnet was doing with the Usenet so I am very far behind. I spoke with a woman in Idaho yesterday who wants to write a grant to Albertson’s (a food chain).  Apparently they fund stuff for kids with illnesses.  I was thinking that there must be some kids with generalized who need equipment of some type (ie computers, wheelchairs, etc). Christine needs numbers of kids affected by ITD, numbers from a quotable source.  Also some specifics on what kids might need.  Christine is an adult with torticollis so her knowledge is limited regarding ITD.  I told her I would try to get back to her on Thursday Oct 3rd…thinking I could post yesterday. Anyhow, your expertise would be much appreciated!! Thanks, MBValerie Kinch has a questionnaire on the WWW page and Bob Campbell might be able to help in getting some numbers put together. There is nothing in the literature that gives a number. The only possibility is maybe extrapolating ITD by contacting Chicago getting a percentage and applying it to 300,000 people. I would also contact Mike [of Jeff Harris who has disappeared, why?] and asking for input. Also get your hands on 8 to 18.

Hi Larry, I have 8-18.  I will contact Michael (don’t know what happened to him!). Christine already spoke to Chicago, however she was so vague with them that I am sure that is why they couldn’t help her.  I had to be pretty pushy on the phone just to center her on one topic and I find it hard to be pushy (believe it or not).  TY for the input! MB

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Yikes!!!  Yesterday I was ‘locked out’ of newsgroup because of some stuff Worldnet was doing with the Usenet so I am very far behind. I spoke with a woman in Idaho yesterday who wants to write a grant to Albertson’s (a food chain).  Apparently they fund stuff for kids with illnesses.  I was thinking that there must be some kids with generalized who need equipment of some type (ie computers, wheelchairs, etc). Christine needs numbers of kids affected by ITD, numbers from a quotable source.  Also some specifics on what kids might need.  Christine is an adult with torticollis so her knowledge is limited regarding ITD.  I told her I would try to get back to her on Thursday Oct 3rd…thinking I could post yesterday. Anyhow, your expertise would be much appreciated!! Thanks, MBValerie Kinch has a questionnaire on the WWW page and Bob Campbell might

be able to help in getting some numbers put together. There is nothing in the literature that gives a number. The only possibility is maybe extrapolating ITD by contacting Chicago getting a percentage and applying it to 300,000 people. I would also contact Mike [of Jeff Harris who has disappeared, why?] and asking for input. Also get your hands on 8 to 18.

Response:

Hi All, Yikes!!!  Yesterday I was ‘locked out’ of newsgroup because of some stuff Worldnet was doing with the Usenet so I am very far behind. I spoke with a woman in Idaho yesterday who wants to write a grant to Albertson’s (a food chain).  Apparently they fund stuff for kids with illnesses.  I was thinking that there must be some kids with generalized who need equipment of some type (ie computers, wheelchairs, etc).   Christine needs numbers of kids affected by ITD, numbers from a quotable source.  Also some specifics on what kids might need.  Christine is an adult with torticollis so her knowledge is limited regarding ITD.  I told her I would try to get back to her on Thursday Oct 3rd…thinking I could post yesterday. Anyhow, your expertise would be much appreciated!! Thanks, MB

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Yikes!!!  Yesterday I was ‘locked out’ of newsgroup because of some stuff Worldnet was doing with the Usenet so I am very far behind. I spoke with a woman in Idaho yesterday who wants to write a grant to Albertson’s (a food chain).  Apparently they fund stuff for kids with illnesses.  I was thinking that there must be some kids with generalized who need equipment of some type (ie computers, wheelchairs, etc). Christine needs numbers of kids affected by ITD, numbers from a quotable source.  Also some specifics on what kids might need.  Christine is an adult with torticollis so her knowledge is limited regarding ITD.  I told her I would try to get back to her on Thursday Oct 3rd…thinking I could post yesterday. Anyhow, your expertise would be much appreciated!! Thanks, MBValerie Kinch has a questionnaire on the WWW page and Bob Campbell might be able to help in getting some numbers put together. There is nothing in the literature that gives a number. The only possibility is maybe extrapolating ITD by contacting Chicago getting a percentage and applying it to 300,000 people. I would also contact Mike [of Jeff Harris who has disappeared, why?] and asking for input. Also get your hands on 8 to 18.

I’m here, Larry – just been busy so my posts have been few and far between.  Michael has not been "on line" for a while, but it you have anything for him send it to me and I’ll pass it along.  (BTW, MEDICALLY he’s been doing VERY well.  Today was a "spasmy" day, but on Rosh Hashana he STOOD on the Bima and helped lead the prayers in Junior Congregation!  (His Bar Mitzvah is a year away). As far as statistics, neither he nor I would have anything.  The best person I can think of for extrapolating numbers might be Debbie DeLeon.  I’m sure in doing the genetic models she must have percentages.  The other person who might have something would be Ron Cabay, the Childrens Advocacy leader. Jeff H.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Yikes!!!  Yesterday I was ‘locked out’ of newsgroup because of some stuff Worldnet was doing with the Usenet so I am very far behind. I spoke with a woman in Idaho yesterday who wants to write a grant to Albertson’s (a food chain).  Apparently they fund stuff for kids with illnesses.  I was thinking that there must be some kids with generalized who need equipment of some type (ie computers, wheelchairs, etc). Christine needs numbers of kids affected by ITD, numbers from a quotable source.  Also some specifics on what kids might need.  Christine is an adult with torticollis so her knowledge is limited regarding ITD.  I told her I would try to get back to her on Thursday Oct 3rd…thinking I could post yesterday. Anyhow, your expertise would be much appreciated!! Thanks, MBValerie Kinch has a questionnaire on the WWW page and Bob Campbell might be able to help in getting some numbers put together. There is nothing in the literature that gives a number. The only possibility is maybe extrapolating ITD by contacting Chicago getting a percentage and applying it to 300,000 people. I would also contact Mike [of Jeff Harris who has disappeared, why?] and asking for input. Also get your hands on 8 to 18. Hi Larry, I have 8-18.  I will contact Michael (don’t know what happened to him!). Christine already spoke to Chicago, however she was so vague with them that I am sure that is why they couldn’t help her.  I had to be pretty pushy on the phone just to center her on one topic and I find it hard to be pushy (believe it or not).  TY for the input! MB

How about writing the NIH? Nationa Institute of Neuro Disorders and Stroke Building 10,  Room 5N226 10 CENTER DR. MISC 1428 BETHESDA MD 20892-1428 Phone (301)496-1561  (before 8 AM in CA it’s cheap and good time to get them back East.

Response:

It is a horrible feeling of extreme isolation when looked out of this news group.  I understand how you felt.   I’m so glad your fund-raising dinner went well.  Good Job!  And to top it off, you were able to spend som quality time with Jennifer.   Now, to your needed suggestions.  Somewhere in the archieves for this newsgroup, I remember reading about one of the children with ITD needing voice activated software, like Dragon Dictate.  It is a wonderful program for someone who has limited mobility using their arms, hands, and shoulder area.  I have the program, because for a while I could barely use my right arm and hand.  It is very easy for a non-computer literate person to learn to use. (More complicated for us old-timers who are stuck in our ways.) It runs with most windows based programs, so a child would have access to programs for doing their homework as well as playing a few games.  It runs about $500 to $600 for a start-up set of disks, which has a smaller dictionary.  The dictionary would be adequate for most grade school and high school students.  The program can be added to, if the child decided to attend college and needed a larger vocabulary.  I believe there is only the PC version available, but checking with Dragon Dictate would clarify whether or not there is a Mac version.  I believe it is useable on laptops with enough memory installed, so a child could use it both at school and home.  Information can be obtained from Dragon Systems, Inc., 320 Nevada Street, Newton, MA 02160, Tel (617) 965-5200, Fax (617) 527-0372. Hope this helps. Sherrie

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is a horrible feeling of extreme isolation when looked out of this news group.  I understand how you felt.   I’m so glad your fund-raising dinner went well.  Good Job!  And to top it off, you were able to spend som quality time with Jennifer.   Now, to your needed suggestions.  Somewhere in the archieves for this newsgroup, I remember reading about one of the children with ITD needing voice activated software, like Dragon Dictate.  It is a wonderful program for someone who has limited mobility using their arms, hands, and shoulder area.  I have the program, because for a while I could barely use my right arm and hand.  It is very easy for a non-computer literate person to learn to use. (More complicated for us old-timers who are stuck in our ways.) It runs with most windows based programs, so a child would have access to programs for doing their homework as well as playing a few games.  It runs about $500 to $600 for a start-up set of disks, which has a smaller dictionary.  The dictionary would be adequate for most grade school and high school students.  The program can be added to, if the child decided to attend college and needed a larger vocabulary.  I believe there is only the PC version available, but checking with Dragon Dictate would clarify whether or not there is a Mac version.  I believe it is useable on laptops with enough memory installed, so a child could use it both at school and home.  Information can be obtained from Dragon Systems, Inc., 320 Nevada Street, Newton, MA 02160, Tel (617) 965-5200, Fax (617) 527-0372. Hope this helps. Sherrie

Thanks so much, Sherrie!!  I am supposed to phone Chris today and I will most definitely give her this info.  I also remember that topic, now that you have jogged my memory…it gets harder and harder, the older one becomes <<VBG I really enjoyed the time with Jennifer…she is such a doll.  I refuse to use the word ’success’ yet in describing the event.  Perhaps in time and with some perspective, my attitude will change.  Right now I desparately need a ‘holiday from dystonia’. Take care, sweetheart! MB

Response:

Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed.

Hi, Ador.  I’m a parent – not a patient – and Michael is only 12, so my answer to your survey wouldn’t be meaningful; but a couple of suggestions: Plan A – Ways you might keep your license: 1) Contact the Independent Living Center in your area.  There are driving programs/drivers ed programs especially designed for people with disabilities ("PWD") , and also specialized equipment that enables many PWD to operate a vehicle safely.  This training might convince your doctor; OR maybe they know a doctor who is more sensitive on the issues. 2) Discuss this with your Movement Disorder neurologist – NOT your primary care physician.   3) Contact some of the dealers of Adapted Vehicles and Equipment for suggestions. Keep in touch!  Maybe we can come up with other ideas LOL– Jeff H.

Response:

Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed.

Ador, I am hearing your ‘fear’ of becoming dependent, rather than remaining independent.  I am concerned.  I have generalized dystonia and must use a walker to get around, but I have driven for years with no questions from doctors or our CA Motor Vehicle Dept.  You have lingual dystonia, isn’t that right?  Does it impair your ability to drive?  I cannot quite visualize that…please help us understand so that we can help, OK?  We are HERE for you, Ador!  Please talk with us, OK? Love, MB

Response:

Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed.

Response:

Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed.

(emailed as well as posted) Hi Ador: Yes, I still drive.  I have ST.  I also have panic disorder with severe depressive episodes and Essential Tremor.  So I shake like a leaf most of the time and my head nid-nods, panic attacks can be *hell* and sometimes I can slide into a big, black hole of depresssion.  And if someone even *hinted* that I should lose my license because of any or all of that, you would hear the explosion all the way from BC Canada!  ): That depression is probably our worst enemy, because it just takes away the energy to enjoy anything and turns everything grey.  But it’s part of our being affected with disabling disorders you know.  Everything I’ve read says that we have to be aware that this can strike at us, my specialist says the same thing. PLEASE take steps to get some treatment for your depression ASAP.  It makes all the difference, I promise you.  Ask your specialist or your MD to refer you to a specialist in mood disorders so that you can get the help you need.  I know it’s hellish, but it’s a *symptom* and not a true emotion of the real you.  You need to hang on to that Ador, the depression is a symptom and can be cured – the way it makes you feel is not really you at all. As far as the license goes, a primare care physician is not capable of making that kind of decision.  Only a specialist in dystonia can do so.  Fight off that depression, pick up the phone and call a lawyer (Legal Aide if necessary) if you have to.  But FIRST get the appointment arranged for help with the depression. THEN do battle with the bureaucrats if you have to, you’ll more than likely be helping someone else who is unable to take on that battle who has run into the same discrimination.  Put on that red suit with the big yellow S on it!  :)  And after you read this, go subscribe to alt.support.depression – some wonderful, *caring* people there. Hope that helps a little.  Give ‘em HELL Ador. Mally  :)  (Who hopes Ador will not be offended by Mally in a bossy mood…who gets that way when she’s worried about someone.)

Response:

Hi Ador: I just had to stick my two cents in here.  I have two friends who come to mind when I read your posting.  One has CP, very bad spasms all the time, and this coupled with the fact that she’s now 73 years old.  The other was a Thalidamide (sp) baby, she’s now 46, has no arms nor legs. Both are still driving.  They didn’t have to get permission from their doctors or have them vouch for them.  This is in Texas so I don’t know about other states – but both took the driver’s test – both drive specially equiped vehicles – and drive under handicapped license plates. They had no problems as long as they could pass the exam. I know it is a major adjustment when we loose our ability to do things that we used to do – and I might add – took for granted – at least I certainly did.  And of course in the case of ones ability to get in their car and go when they want to would be hard to give up.  I understand that – I watched this happen with my father.  But Ador, he had to ask himself and be honest with himself on the answer of "Was he still able to drive safely".  Hard question for one to answer and be honest about it as it was (for him) letting go of his independence in having his own car, etc.  I’m not saying that you’re in this situation but it’s something to think about for all of us as we age, loose eyesight, whatever. Have you checked with your states requirements on this and if you were able to pass a drivers test would you have to get a doctors voucher? What about contacting your states organization for people with disabilities – I am sure they have one – I know this thought is depressing to you.  It would be to anyone – BUT – you can overcome this obsticle – do some research on it – Mally had a great point that a primary physician really doesn’t know the ins and outs of dystnia – mine only knows what I’ve told him – You’ve got a world of folks out here who you don’t even know Ador and we’re all pulling for you.  Hang in there and explore other avenues – you never know what your going to find around that corner. Good luck and big hugs from South Texas – Anne Here in San Antonio, we have wonderful bus services for people with disabilities.  It is a blessing for those who either can’t drive anymore or who never drove. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed. (emailed as well as posted) Hi Ador: Yes, I still drive.  I have ST.  I also have panic disorder with severe depressive episodes and Essential Tremor.  So I shake like a leaf most of the time and my head nid-nods, panic attacks can be *hell* and sometimes I can slide into a big, black hole of depresssion.  And if someone even *hinted* that I should lose my license because of any or all of that, you would hear the explosion all the way from BC Canada!  ): That depression is probably our worst enemy, because it just takes away the energy to enjoy anything and turns everything grey.  But it’s part of our being affected with disabling disorders you know.  Everything I’ve read says that we have to be aware that this can strike at us, my specialist says the same thing. PLEASE take steps to get some treatment for your depression ASAP.  It makes all the difference, I promise you.  Ask your specialist or your MD to refer you to a specialist in mood disorders so that you can get the help you need.  I know it’s hellish, but it’s a *symptom* and not a true emotion of the real you.  You need to hang on to that Ador, the depression is a symptom and can be cured – the way it makes you feel is not really you at all. As far as the license goes, a primare care physician is not capable of making that kind of decision.  Only a specialist in dystonia can do so.  Fight off that depression, pick up the phone and call a lawyer (Legal Aide if necessary) if you have to.  But FIRST get the appointment arranged for help with the depression. THEN do battle with the bureaucrats if you have to, you’ll more than likely be helping someone else who is unable to take on that battle who has run into the same discrimination.  Put on that red suit with the big yellow S on it!  :)  And after you read this, go subscribe to alt.support.depression – some wonderful, *caring* people there. Hope that helps a little.  Give ‘em HELL Ador. Mally  :)  (Who hopes Ador will not be offended by Mally in a bossy mood…who gets that way when she’s worried about someone.)

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed. (emailed as well as posted) Hi Ador: Yes, I still drive.  I have ST.  I also have panic disorder with severe depressive episodes and Essential Tremor.  So I shake like a leaf most of the time and my head nid-nods, panic attacks can be *hell* and sometimes I can slide into a big, black hole of depresssion.  And if someone even *hinted* that I should lose my license because of any or all of that, you would hear the explosion all the way from BC Canada!  ): That depression is probably our worst enemy, because it just takes away the energy to enjoy anything and turns everything grey.  But it’s part of our being affected with disabling disorders you know.  Everything I’ve read says that we have to be aware that this can strike at us, my specialist says the same thing. PLEASE take steps to get some treatment for your depression ASAP.  It makes all the difference, I promise you.  Ask your specialist or your MD to refer you to a specialist in mood disorders so that you can get the help you need.  I know it’s hellish, but it’s a *symptom* and not a true emotion of the real you.  You need to hang on to that Ador, the depression is a symptom and can be cured – the way it makes you feel is not really you at all. As far as the license goes, a primare care physician is not capable of making that kind of decision.  Only a specialist in dystonia can do so.  Fight off that depression, pick up the phone and call a lawyer (Legal Aide if necessary) if you have to.  But FIRST get the appointment arranged for help with the depression. THEN do battle with the bureaucrats if you have to, you’ll more than likely be helping someone else who is unable to take on that battle who has run into the same discrimination.  Put on that red suit with the big yellow S on it!  :)  And after you read this, go subscribe to alt.support.depression – some wonderful, *caring* people there. Hope that helps a little.  Give ‘em HELL Ador. Mally  :)  (Who hopes Ador will not be offended by Mally in a bossy mood…who gets that way when she’s worried about someone.)

Blessings Mally MB

Response:

Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed.

Hi Ador. I suppose your GP is afraid of your leg dystonia.  I wouldn’t take his word. I have lingual dystonia but I also react with a wild general myoconic motions in all parts of m body when a certain sound is heard.  If first happened on an evoked potential test, then on MRI and sometimes it happens listening to music, altho on that if I can get to the raido soon enough no lasting harm done. Howeverer I insisted on showing my present Neuro what happens on the sound of the Evoked Potentials.  He knows other sounds d it too but he hasnever pulled my license. Suggest you go on your neuro’s decission. Catherine

Response:

Hi! This is an informal survey of who among us Dystonia sufferers are still driving and who were forced to surrender their driver’s license. Please answer the following questions  truthfully: 1) Do you still drive despite your dystonia?   Yes            No 2) What type of dystonia do you have? 3) Did anyone of you lose your driver’s license because of your illness, dystonia? 4) To those who lost their license, were you able to get one again? I am making this informal survey because I am about to lose my license simply because my primary physician or any physician I know does not want to vouch for me that I am "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely? I don’t know what I will do without a driver’s license. I am very depressed.

Hi, The answer to question #1 isn’t applicable to me as I never had a driver’s lincense, and I’m 55 yrs old.  I did take driving lessons a couple of yrs ago — and I was doing quite well with the instructor I had, but unfortunately he quit his job just as I was gaining self-confidence…  I didn’t do anything to him for him to quit the job…  <g.  So, I never pursued my ‘dream’ for a driver’s lincense after this episode.  I could have gone to my state’s (Maryland) rehab center for driving lesons — I tried it once, but didn’t like the "snob" of instructor that was doing the teaching…  This brings to mind a question you — have u looked into your state’s rehab center — they could retrian you?  Why not write a letter to your congressman and see what he/she could do for you in issueing another driver’s license?  I know the feeling fof rejection.  You aren’t alone in this… The answer to question #2:  I have cerebral palsy  and generalized dystonia .  I can do anything I make up my mind to do.  If I want to do something — nothing stands in my way!  So, if you’re about to lose your license — why don’t ‘fight’ for it?  I have to fight for eveything I want — that’s the way the ball bounces.  I wished I didn’t have to fight for everything, but I do — to keep above board…  :-) Sorry, I can’t answer questions 3 & 4. There, I’ve said my 2 cents worth!  I *love* surveys!!… Cheerio, Becky

Response:

Mally, bless you for the caring response to Ador about  her license and depression.  You said it all!! (I am on AOL and know how to "quote" when replying to e-mail but when in n/g it does not quote the same way; sorry) BTW, finally, met someone else with dystonia!!! Thru my dr., I have met another patient and had dinner with him and his wife Saturday.  What a joy for both of us. He is 62 with no computer and was fascinated by my telling him all I have found. You can be sure I will print some of these posts from a.s.d. to show him what a caring group can be found online. It really has helped my depression knowing every morning I can go to a.s.d. and "be" with others who truly know and understand. Love & Hugs,  Bonnie (hey, Texas is drying out!

Response:

Dear MB, I think you are right. I have "fear" of becoming dependent rather than being indepen- dent which implies, among other things, the freedom to drive anywhere I please. I have generalized dystonia. I have dystonia of the foot but my neuro,a movement disorder specialist, says that my right leg is rigid only when I walk. Dystonia does not manifest itself or bother me when I am sitting or lying down so it does not affect my driving. I do use two canes when walking but that is to help me maintain my balance. I also have lingual dystonia which has caused me speech, chewing and swallowing difficulties—which do not affect my driving. The request for a medical examination report came about as a result of a minor vehicular accident wherein I caused a few scratches on the right rear side of the   other   vehicle involved. This was my first accident since I started driving here in the US in 1983 and since I was diagnosed with dystonia in 1991.DMV sent me a medical examination report for me and my doctor to accomplish to determine whether I am medically and physically fit to drive a motor vehicle safely. I went to my HMO (U.S. Healthcare) primary physician and asked him to fill up the report but he declined saying that since my illness is neurological in nature, I should ask my neurologist to accomplish the report. When we left his clinic, I was very depressed and I literally cried in the car going home because I knew that I stand to lose my driver’s license if I cannot find a doctor who will vouch for me as "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely."  I don’t know what I will do without a car. I am sure my depression will become worse if I become homebound. I have been driving a lot before the accident but since that accident, I think I have used the car only twice a week. I believe I am a careful driver because I have never been involved in an accident nor received a ticket for traffic violation since 1991 and 1983.      

Response:

(U.S. Healthcare) primary physician and asked him to fill up the report but he declined saying that since my illness is neurological in nature, I should ask my neurologist to accomplish the report. When we left his clinic, I was very depressed and I literally cried in the car going home because I knew that I stand to lose my driver’s license if I cannot find a doctor who will vouch for me as "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely."

Have you been to see your neuro yet?  Seems that since, as you said, your leg is only rigid when you’re standing, he should have no problem in filling out the form for you and getting you back behind the wheel. It’s easy to right away worry about the "worst case" scenario, and becomse quite upset and depressed, but often things turn out to be not that bad (as we hope is the case in this situation!). Do keep us posted as to your neuro’s decision. Cathy. —  (—-)                                                     (—-)   "  "         http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~collisoc          "  "

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear MB, I think you are right. I have "fear" of becoming dependent rather than being indepen- dent which implies, among other things, the freedom to drive anywhere I please. I have generalized dystonia. I have dystonia of the foot but my neuro,a movement disorder specialist, says that my right leg is rigid only when I walk. Dystonia does not manifest itself or bother me when I am sitting or lying down so it does not affect my driving. I do use two canes when walking but that is to help me maintain my balance. I also have lingual dystonia which has caused me speech, chewing and swallowing difficulties—which do not affect my driving. The request for a medical examination report came about as a result of a minor vehicular accident wherein I caused a few scratches on the right rear side of the   other   vehicle involved. This was my first accident since I started driving here in the US in 1983 and since I was diagnosed with dystonia in 1991.DMV sent me a medical examination report for me and my doctor to accomplish to determine whether I am medically and physically fit to drive a motor vehicle safely. I went to my HMO (U.S. Healthcare) primary physician and asked him to fill up the report but he declined saying that since my illness is neurological in nature, I should ask my neurologist to accomplish the report. When we left his clinic, I was very depressed and I literally cried in the car going home because I knew that I stand to lose my driver’s license if I cannot find a doctor who will vouch for me as "medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely."  I don’t know what I will do without a car. I am sure my depression will become worse if I become homebound. I have been driving a lot before the accident but since that accident, I think I have used the car only twice a week. I believe I am a careful driver because I have never been involved in an accident nor received a ticket for traffic violation since 1991 and 1983.      

Dear Ador, You have made my day by responding to all of us here on a.s.d. I want you to listen carefully!  I use a walker to get around due to generalized dystonia.  I have driven since 1962 and have been lucky to have had no accidents yet [knock on wood!].  I also am relaxed when sitting down so driving is not a problem for me.  I caught something in your other post that waved a major red flag to me…you said that you have Parkinson’s…perhaps that is part of the problem now because Parkinson’s is a progressive disease that leads to severe immobility and eventual death.  Dystonia is a damn nuisance, but does not kill us! Would Mitchel Brin be willing to fill out the form for you?  He apparently acknowledges that sitting & driving are no problem for you. Perhaps some of our NY connections on asd will have some suggestions!  It might be worth the trip to Columbia to attempt to get this resolved!  I am certain that you are a careful driver…I kinda think I am careful because I value my freedom to drive too much to risk throwing it away.   Maybe even a trip to your DMV office with info on dystonia [print out some stuff from the web pages http://www.ziplink.net/users/dystonia] and FIGHT for your license, Ador, knowing that there are a whole bunch of us here supporting you! Please keep us posted and Best Of Luck…I know you can do it, Ador!!! Much Love, MB

Response:

Dear A.S.D. friends: I was overwhelmed by the response to my post re driver’s license for dystonia patients.. Thank you to all those who responded. I was deeply touched. But in my haste to post "Driver’s license for dystonia patients" I failed to include some valuable information which may change your opinion. Even so, I want to be honest to you. The request for Medical Examination from DMV was the result of a minor vehicu- lar accident I was involved in last December 28, 1966. I was driving south on Moonachie road at about 35 mph when a north-bound car swerved to the left into the driveway of Segovia Restaurant. I didn’t see it swerve to the left and I didn’t notice if the other car gave a warning signal. Half of the car body was inside the driveway when I noticed it. But considering the speed at which the other car entered the driveway, I thought that my speed was slow enough to pass the other car safely. But instead of moving on, the other  car suddenly stopped with its rear end protruding. When I saw the other car not moving and its rear end in my path, I hit the brake but the road was wet, my car skidded and struck the rear right side of the other car. The police report said I was trying to beat the other car in getting into the driveway but this is not true. I was going home which is one block away from the site of the accident. I think the reason the other car stopped abruptly is that the other driver realized he entered the wrong way. He entered the driveway exit instead of the entrance to the one-way driveway. The police noticed I was using two canes to walk and he asked me about my medical condition. I told him I have Parkinson’s disease. The police sent a copy of the report to DMV. The DMV sent me a medical examination report which they want me and "my doctor" to accomplish to determine whether I am medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely". I went to my US Healthcare (HMO) primary physician and asked him to accomplish the report but he declined saying that since my illness is neurological in nature, he thinks a neurologist should accomplish the report. When we left his clinic, I was very depressed and I literally cried in the car going home because I knew I stand to lose my driver’s license if I cannot find a doctor who will certify that I am mentally and physically fit to drive. I strongly believe I am mentally and physically fit to drive because I did a lot of driving last year, driving as far north as Paramus which is 10 miles away from home. I can still do it in my present condition. I also believe I am a careful driver but for this accident last Dec. 28, 1996, I think the other driver is partly to blame. I never had an accident before, not even a ticket for a traffic violation. This accident was my first since I started driving in the US IN 1983. I continued to drive even after I was diagnosed with dystonia in 1991. My illness, dystonia of the foot makes walking very difficult for me but not driving. Dr. M. Brin of Mount Sinai Medical Center said my right leg is rigid only when I am walking, but not when I am at rest. My foot dystonia does not manifest itself or bother me when I am sitting or lying down. Hence, it does not affect my driving.         I use two canes when walking to help  me maintain my balance. My tongue dystonia does not interrfere with my driving although it caused me speech, chewing and swallowing difficulty. My illness has some features of Parkinson’s disease and examples of those symptoms are drooling, impaired speech and balance problem–all of which do not affect my driving. I am willing to take driving test for physically challenged people. I am not new to this kind of test. I was given a "Behind-the-wheel evaluation training program" by an Adaptive Driving Specialist from DMV after I completed my physical and speech therapy at Kessler Institute for Rehabilitation in 1993. I passed the test. The Adaptive Driving Specialist makes suggestions for changes/additions or adaptive measures for  cars of people with disabilities so they can continue to drive. My ADS said my car did not need any. Before I can take a new driving test, I need a doctor to certify that I am medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely. If I can’t   get one, I will lose my license by March 18, 1997. I don’t want to be homebound by being denied the privilege to drive. If I become homebound, I am sure my depression will become worse. I just sent my request to my neuro the medical examination report but I am not sure she will agree to accomplish it. I guess doctors are afraid of legal suits if something happens to somebody they certified as medically and physically able to drive a motor vehicle safely. Thank you all for your support and prayers. Ador Peralta

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (I am on AOL and know how to "quote" when replying to e-mail but when in n/g it does not quote the same way; sorry) Hey, Bonnie. I’m on AOL too and have finally figured it out.  When in doubt, read the directions. If you want it to look like what you wrote above, click on Members, then Preferences, then Mail.  Take the ‘x’ off of "Use AOL style quotes."  Then, when you w I’m still contemplating on your idea of an AOL chat group.  There’s something that ‘doesn’t feel right’ about it but I don’t know what it is.  You, of course, Still getting over my p-neumonia but much better, Chana Mitzvah g’dolah l’hiyot b’simcha. "It is a great mitzvah to exist in a state of joy." Mass General has chat rooms open all the time for neuro patients.  There is one reserved for movement disorders.  We can set up a time and meet there if anyone is interested.  No Ports, No servers , etc.   Easy on and eas off if it doesn’t work.  I’m availabe most times.  Any suggestions on meting times.?

And yet another suggestion, check out the new IRCing program called Orbit IRC. It’s very much a WYSIWYG program, all set out for you.  You can give each person a different colour or font, all kinds of neat stuff useable with just a click. It’s shareware and you can download it from their site.  Sorry, don’t have URL handy, but just do a search on it. Mally  :)

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (I am on AOL and know how to "quote" when replying to e-mail but when in n/g it does not quote the same way; sorry) Hey, Bonnie. I’m on AOL too and have finally figured it out.  When in doubt, read the directions. If you want it to look like what you wrote above, click on Members, then Preferences, then Mail.  Take the ‘x’ off of "Use AOL style quotes."  Then, when you w I’m still contemplating on your idea of an AOL chat group.  There’s something that ‘doesn’t feel right’ about it but I don’t know what it is.  You, of course, Still getting over my p-neumonia but much better, Chana Mitzvah g’dolah l’hiyot b’simcha. "It is a great mitzvah to exist in a state of joy."

Mass General has chat rooms open all the time for neuro patients.  There is one reserved for movement disorders.  We can set up a time and meet there if anyone is interested.  No Ports, No servers , etc.   Easy on and eas off if it doesn’t work.  I’m availabe most times.  Any suggestions on meting times.? Catherine

Response:

(I am on AOL and know how to "quote" when replying to e-mail but when in n/g it does not quote the same way; sorry)

Hey, Bonnie. I’m on AOL too and have finally figured it out.  When in doubt, read the directions. If you want it to look like what you wrote above, click on Members, then Preferences, then Mail.  Take the ‘x’ off of "Use AOL style quotes."  Then, when you want to quote … either in e-mail or n/gs … just highlight what you want and hit Reply.  BTW, this is called ‘Internet style quoting.’ I’m still contemplating on your idea of an AOL chat group.  There’s something that ‘doesn’t feel right’ about it but I don’t know what it is.  You, of course, are free to do what you want but you wouldn’t be ’sanctioned’ by DMRF or a.s.d. I don’t think.  Are  you having trouble with mIRC or, like for me, it’s almost too busy to follow and talk at the same time with all those people? Still getting over my p-neumonia but much better, Chana Mitzvah g’dolah l’hiyot b’simcha. "It is a great mitzvah to exist in a state of joy."

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mally, bless you for the caring response to Ador about  her license and depression.  You said it all!! (I am on AOL and know how to "quote" when replying to e-mail but when in n/g it does not quote the same way; sorry) BTW, finally, met someone else with dystonia!!! Thru my dr., I have met another patient and had dinner with him and his wife Saturday.  What a joy for both of us. He is 62 with no computer and was fascinated by my telling him all I have found. You can be sure I will print some of these posts from a.s.d. to show him what a caring group can be found online. It really has helped my depression knowing every morning I can go to a.s.d. and "be" with others who truly know and understand. Love & Hugs,  Bonnie (hey, Texas is drying out!

Hi Bonnie!  I am so very glad that you have met another person with dystonia…it took me 40 years to find another!!  Just a slight correction if ya don’t mind!  Ador is a ‘he’, not a ’she’!  In fact I wonder how he is doing??  Ador, how about an update?? Later, MB

Response: