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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
Karen, I have 2 suggestions: 1. Fly home for a visit. The sooner you face the fear, the sooner you get over it. A benzo can help. 2. If you just can’t get on the plane, take the bus. It takes longer but It still gets you there. God bless, Mark Before you buy.
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Hi Karen, I have flown since I was young, so I can’t really say I’m afraid to fly. I do have some anticipatory anxiety until I am seated on the plane though. Would it be possible to take a short flight somewhere in your area with your S/O…like a half hour flight?? Or go to one of the flight areas where people have their own planes and ask if you could sit in one maybe to help to desensitize you? Gosh, sorry, I can’t think of anything else. I hope it works out for you somehow…. Bye, Maria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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You Can’t Always Get What You Want, by the Roilling Stones…. I saw her today at the reception, a glass of wine in her hand; I knew she was gonna meet her connection, at her feet was a foot loose man… You can’t always get what you want, You can’t always get what you want, You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you might find, you get what you need….. I went down to the demonstation, to get my fair share of abuse, Sayin’ we’re gonna vent our frustration, If we dont’, we’re gonna blow a 50 Amp fuse…. You can’t always get what you want, etc. I went down to the Chelsea drug store, to get your prescription filled, I was standin’ in line with Mr. Jimmy, A man said he looked pretty ill, We decided that we would have a soda, my favorite flavor, chrery red….. I sold my soul to Mr. Jimmy, yes, and he said one word to me, and that was DEAD… And I said,….."You can’t always get I saw her today at the reception, in her glass was a bleeding man,… She was practiced at the art of deception,,,well I could tell by her bloodstained hand…. You Can’t Always Get What You Want…..
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Karen- I don’t have any profound advice to offer. I too have to get over my fear of flying. I Have to fly to Missouri in the spring to take a class. Unfortunately the is no other place in the country that teaches this course. I used to fly 4400 miles every august, and now the thought scares me. I don’t panic in the airport, I always volanter to pick people up! Desesnitize! I think I might fly to Boston a short flight for me to see how i react. Hugs Jess
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Kelly- I have a dreadful fear of flying as well. I used to LOVE to fly, until I had my first PA. After that, I feared I’d "lose control" in an airplane. Isnt that awful? Well, a few years ago I flew to Florida. I was a mess getting onto the plain, and I had a big ole panic attack and started crying but then I CALMED DOWN and the rest of the flight went by great.. I even ate the gross plane food because I was hungry. I had a great time in Florida so the plane rice was worth the trip. I didnt even get myself upset about the flight home….. I havent flown since, but I want to plan a vacation now where I have to. I wish you luck, I imagine how you must feel separated from your family- but remember Ma Bell invented Long Distance & the internet for people like us!! You CAN do this and keep feeling good. If you focus on these negative feelings and stop "positive talking" to yourself, things tend to get out of hand. Keep positive! We’re all here for u Elizabeth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thank you all for responding!!! Kelly maybe your brother can come fly with me 
Charley, I do dread Christmas, first time in my whole entire life I am not going to be in the same house Christmas morning. I love your idea about the Christmas party. I appoint you organizer and I will be in charge of the food. <g Joan I wish I could just ‘do it’ because maybe you are right, know that you do it when you have to, makes me feel better. Debby, thanks for sharing your story. You are always such a sweetie to everyone. Steph, I am afraid if I did drive it (and that is scary too 
) I may never come back. And I will tell your beautiful, wonderful city hello, I know why you love it so much. Thanks everyone and those of you who have lots of spare time INVENT A TELEPORTER!!! )) Love to you all, Karen Hi Karen, I wish I had a good answer for you, but sadly I do not. I have a great fear of flying myself. I have not been on a plane in 10 years. And I used to fly everywhere. I know how badly you miss your family. Just wanted to let you know, I am thinking of you. Have you thought about driving it again? Arthur may have the answer, he has flown recently.Take Care! And say hello to my beloved city by the bay for me!!! I hope you are enjoying your new home! ((((Karen)))) Steph 
Karen Writes: Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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Hi Karen, I wish I had a good answer for you, but sadly I do not. I have a great fear of flying myself. I have not been on a plane in 10 years. And I used to fly everywhere. I know how badly you miss your family. Just wanted to let you know, I am thinking of you. Have you thought about driving it again? Arthur may have the answer, he has flown recently.Take Care! And say hello to my beloved city by the bay for me!!! I hope you are enjoying your new home! ((((Karen)))) Steph
Karen Writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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Thank you all for responding!!! Kelly maybe your brother can come fly with me Charley, I do dread Christmas, first time in my whole entire life I am not going to be in the same house Christmas morning. I love your idea about the Christmas party. I appoint you organizer and I will be in charge of the food. <g Joan I wish I could just ‘do it’ because maybe you are right, know that you do it when you have to, makes me feel better. Debby, thanks for sharing your story. You are always such a sweetie to everyone. Steph, I am afraid if I did drive it (and that is scary too ) I may never come back. And I will tell your beautiful, wonderful city hello, I know why you love it so much. Thanks everyone and those of you who have lots of spare time INVENT A TELEPORTER!!! )) Love to you all, Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Karen, I wish I had a good answer for you, but sadly I do not. I have a great fear of flying myself. I have not been on a plane in 10 years. And I used to fly everywhere. I know how badly you miss your family. Just wanted to let you know, I am thinking of you. Have you thought about driving it again? Arthur may have the answer, he has flown recently.Take Care! And say hello to my beloved city by the bay for me!!! I hope you are enjoying your new home! ((((Karen)))) Steph Karen Writes: Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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When I first flew I was full of anxiety/anticipation like you are right now. But when the "big day" came, and the wheels left the ground, my anxiety changed to excitement. I couldn’t keep my eyes from the window for most of the flight. Things just look so neat from up there even though I have a fear of heights. Some suggestions I have is to bring a walkman (and extra batteries!) with some of your favorite music and some good reading material. Try reading comedy books or watching funny videos about flying before your flight day. When I fly, I can’t help but think about all the silliness from the movie "Airplane," Jerry Seinfeld and his jokes about airlines, or a Saturday Night Live skit about a fictitious airline called "Total Bastard Airlines." Don’t be afraid to start a conversation with the person seated next to you. Tell someone sitting next to you that you’re flying for the first time and that your nervous about it. That in itself could alleviate some of the anxiety and give you a way to start a conversation which will help you keep your mind off of your anxiety. Even though I’m a shy person I’ve managed to have many entertaining conversations with some interesting people. All in all, when the day comes you’re very likely to find that your fears were exaggerated, and who knows, you might even love flying. – Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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Hi Karen, I flew to Alabama from Washington about 8 months into my getting better a some 3 1/2 years ago. It was a big step for me.But My son was eight months old and my husband was taking him to see his parents with or with out me.So I couldnt let my baby board that plane with out me.To many miles to much could happen ect.. I was very scared but excited to. so I let my hubby make all the arangements and told myself I was going thats that. So I found things to do on the plane in the event I got anxious.I took support friends no. and little things they had said.like If you panic.distract yourself and remember its only anxiety , you will not go crazy or die.ect… The day of the departure we left real early.i was busy all the way up to sitting down on the plane.I felt alittle uncomftorble…and got busy playing with my son.I tryed to get excited when the plane took off but couldnt oh well once in the air I settled down most of my feelings had been anticapatory…since the zoloft was helping with the panic.My son slept most of the way. I did feel very uncomftorble in Memphis layover..we had to rush through a very populated airport.stepped outside to smoke and the humidity was thick. you will only have to suffer a little uncomftorbleness a couple hours and you can do that.you have felt all the panic symtoms before and can handle them.Take mini breaks in your seat.Like crosswords and getting to visit with people on the plane…listen to music and walk to the restroom.Sit in a window seat and look with amazement at flying. You can do it.It is all anticapatory anxiety.Dont let that hang you up.You could practice the not being able to get off the plane in a car during rush hour.I no its not quite the same but its only a feeling and if you accept that you will be anxious and find things to distract during the times you have unwelcomed negative thoughts it will be over before you know it. Long winded Char — On you will go/Onward up many/ a frightening creek./ though your arms may get sore/ and your sneakers may leak. —Dr. Seuss – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you all for responding!!! Kelly maybe your brother can come fly with me Charley, I do dread Christmas, first time in my whole entire life I am not going to be in the same house Christmas morning. I love your idea about the Christmas party. I appoint you organizer and I will be in charge of the food. <g Joan I wish I could just ‘do it’ because maybe you are right, know that you do it when you have to, makes me feel better. Debby, thanks for sharing your story. You are always such a sweetie to everyone. Steph, I am afraid if I did drive it (and that is scary too ) I may never come back. And I will tell your beautiful, wonderful city hello, I know why you love it so much. Thanks everyone and those of you who have lots of spare time INVENT A TELEPORTER!!! )) Love to you all, Karen
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Karen, I wish I had a good answer for you, but sadly I do not. I have a great fear of flying myself. I have not been on a plane in 10 years. And I used to fly everywhere. I know how badly you miss your family. Just wanted to let you know, I am thinking of you. Have you thought about driving it again? Arthur may have the answer, he has flown recently.Take Care! And say hello to my beloved city by the bay for me!!! I hope you are enjoying your new home! ((((Karen)))) Steph Karen Writes: Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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Hi Karen, Some of the airlines have "fear of flying" classes. One here in the Seattle area does a "graduation" flight to Portland, which takes about half an hour. Maybe there is something like that in your area. Another option is the bus. I know people think "The bus? Ugh," but it really can be quite cozy and comfy. I don’t fly at all and can’t drive more than a couple of miles from my house, but I can go anywhere on a Greyhound! I would recommend that you take with you a cell phone if you need to feel secure, ginger, if you get motion sickness, and a good book and lots of munchies. I once rode from Seattle to San Diego and really enjoyed it. HTH Dot
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Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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I also am afraid to fly, but I do it. If I did not make myself, I would never see my family. I spend sleepless nights before the flight and take xanex to relax me. I have to make myself think more realistic. My chances of getting killed on the way to the airport are better than dying in a plane. Who knows, you may like it once you have flown. My husband is an engeneer with a Aero Space Industry and he flies all over the world. As he says,( its a piece of cake.) I promise you will make it to Ala and back.
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Hi Karen, I had to fly for the first and only time several years ago. I had no choice. I either had to get on that plane in SanDiego to fly home to NY or stay in SD, all alone with no money etc. To say I was terrified is an understatement. I thought I was going to totally freak out or get sick – every bad scenario I could imagine. But luckily I got a seat in the first row so I was facing a partition, and that really helped. I sipped ginger ale the whole flight ( I had to change planes in Chicago) and it really wasn’t half as bad as I had imagined. I haven’t flown since but I just don’t have that fear anymore. It helps to bring a magazine or book along – something you are really interested in. I also now that one airline used to have a Fear of Flying course where you got on a plane and "practiced" flying. I had a friend who took the course and it helped her quite a bit. Maybe you could check that out. That anticipation anxiety is always the worst. You may even find out that you like to fly. You’ve been such an inspiration to me and I know that you will do fine on your plane trip. Take Care, Debby PS. I should have stayed in San Diego
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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Hi Karen, I can’t give you any flying tips but I can empathise with how hard it is to be away from home especially with the holidays looming. The first Christmas is always the hardest-make sure you plan it to death-keep up some of your family’s traditions and make up some of your own. The more time you have to mope around your apartment, the worse you will feel. Have you made many new friends? Maybe a group of you could get together to do a potluck Christmas dinner. Keep busy, busy ,busy! It does get easier-I try not to imagine what my family is doing on Christmas Day; that helps. If you do feel sad, have a little cry but then get back to doing something you enjoy. Tell your boyfriend how you feel and ask him for ideas. Maybe you could go away for a romantic week-end during the holidays, Finally, have something to look forward to after the first week off January-tickets to a concert or play, a party or whatever you would enjoy. Looking forward to something is a good way to get past those day-to-day blues. Of course, we’ll (ASAP) still be here during the holidays. We should all pick a date to have a Christmas Party in the anx/pan chat room. We could even make it clothes optional; who would know? There are a few fellas I wouldn’t mind meeting under the mistletoe for a cyber-smooch. :o) Karen, you can do this; you are strong (even if you don’t think you are right now). Charley
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all, I need some help please. As you know I am 2500 miles from home. I love it here, but the thoughts of not being able to go home to visit is freaking me out. I have never flown and the thoughts of getting on a plane terrifies me to death. It isn’t like other stuff that I am afraid of. I don’t have the option of saying, "Ok I want to get off NOW" And it isnt like I can work my way up into the 5 or 6 hour flight, I mean how do you practice????? I miss my mom and dad and especially my niece so much it hurts sometimes. I don’t want to move home, but I want to visit. ARgghhh anyone have a private plane that they want to fly me to Bama in? Or any helpful hints? Who here has flown and freaked out or flown when they were scared and did it ? I try to invision getting on the plane, taking off, and then I can’t imagine past that. I even dream about flying and I never actually take off in my dream. Anyhow you are all so great, I just thought maybe some encouraging words would help me take the big leap. I can’t NEVER go home. I wish I had some ruby slippers and could just click my heels. thanks all, The little engine who wishes she could FLY, Karen Hi Karen, I’m not the one to give any advice on flying..remember I am the one who had the MAJOR panic attack on the plane! Someone told me, that if I ever decided to fly again to take something to make me sleep.? I can say that the stewardesses are really prepared for this to happen! I had one who sat with me and comforted me the rest of the way. They also had some waiting for me when I changed planes to help me on the next plane! But the good news I can give you, is my brother-in -law also has panic and depression and he has been flying back and forth to Kosovo…with no problems at all! The plane might be one of those things that does’nt even bother you! If this does’nt work, how about a bus? I know its hard, thats probably why I have always stuck real close around my family..I feel proud of you for even having the courage to make the move! Good Luck to you, Karen, Kelly
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Could anyone tell me if there are any chat rooms or online support groups about panic disorders? I need help :(
Hello to a fellow Gateway 2000 user, There is an anxiety/panic chat room on mIRC or irc called #anx/pan. Use any Dalnet server. Good to see you here at ASAP — Michelle
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Could anyone tell me if there are any chat rooms or online support groups about panic disorders? I need help :(
You have found an online support group. Welcome. I don’t know about the chat rooms. Kiesha
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writes Could anyone tell me if there are any chat rooms or online support groups about panic disorders? I need help :( Hello to a fellow Gateway 2000 user, There is an anxiety/panic chat room on mIRC or irc called #anx/pan. Use any Dalnet server. Good to see you here at ASAP
Just to add to what Michelle said, it normally starts at around 7pm EST (or midnight in the UK) — Jon Guite When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return address
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Could anyone tell me if there are any chat rooms or online support groups about panic disorders? I need help :(
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Depression causes suicidal tendencies. Often patients treated (with anything) get a little bit better, then they (while not really "better yet") have enough enough energy to complete a suicidal task. Patients started on any anti-depressant (allopathic or homeopathic IMO) should be observed closely as they start to experience the effects of the treatment. I will make it my business to find out more about this, and that means it will be discovered and disclosed. You can count on it. Gary
Well.. how about those people who try and treat their cancer naturally? ie: refusing chemotherapy or other forms of western medicine. There are plenty of cases of people dying due to that. Then we have royal jelly and echinichea. People can be sensitive to those (particullarly asthmatics) and have an allergic reaction. Kava – I’m sure there are reports of liver damage with that one.
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Gary check this out ELI LILLY Prozac Petition its on the internetgo see it on the Web. Have you seen any of these class action suits. Or are you giveing us your experience. Depresion didn’t cause these say what you will. Defend the Drug Companys Gary its Sad Find out and let us know ok. Zoloft and Prozac And celexa Effexor caused these not depresion tell that to the Families. Find me some thing natural that does the same thing they were useing it as recommended alot of things are bad if over used. Gary again nothing against you what we know and what you know if you haven’t checked it out doesn’t mean its not true it just means you don’t have that Knowledge. your here to help and so are we lets quit attacking each other we all care no matter how much passion we have Ok
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Is there any natural or a supplement out there that has caused death or suicide,if taken as recommended. Just wondering because I heard Zoloft,celexa Prozac, Effexor they causes suicidal tendencys I found 2,500.00 cases Can any one help Be blessed
1. Check out the number of people who died of eosinophilia myalgia syndrome as a result of takingl-trytophan. 2. Check out the deaths attributed to St.John’sWort because of negative interactions with other life-supporting drugs such as one used to treat HIV infection. 3. Remember laetrile (apricot pits)? How many people died when they abandoned conventional cancer treatments and went to Mexico for laetrile injections? 4. Check out how many people died as a result of the hepatogenic alkaloid in the kava-kava plant. 5. Check out the number of deaths attributed to Ma Huang (ephedra). The info is there if you have an open and objective mind. Same thing applies to prescription and OTC drugs.
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Dear Sir: At no time have you been "attacked". You asked a "question", and I stated that I would make it my business to find out the answer, which I will do. I’m very matter of fact, in general. As I have said now, over and over, I’m glad you are doing well with your treatment plan but I also think it is narrow thinking to say that all western medicine plans are bad ones. Quite obviously, some depressed people don’t do well; that is very, very sad, but it is just the way things are, and they have always been that way – there is less suicide now than there was prior to the advent of treatment, I feel sure. However, I will find out more about this, as it is an important thing. G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gary check this out ELI LILLY Prozac Petition its on the internetgo see it on the Web. Have you seen any of these class action suits. Or are you giveing us your experience. Depresion didn’t cause these say what you will. Defend the Drug Companys Gary its Sad Find out and let us know ok. Zoloft and Prozac And celexa Effexor caused these not depresion tell that to the Families. Find me some thing natural that does the same thing they were useing it as recommended alot of things are bad if over used. Gary again nothing against you what we know and what you know if you haven’t checked it out doesn’t mean its not true it just means you don’t have that Knowledge. your here to help and so are we lets quit attacking each other we all care no matter how much passion we have Ok
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Depresion didn’t cause these Zoloft and Prozac And celexa Effexor caused these not depresion
If depression didn’t cause these suicides then what were these individuals treating using an anti-depressant? Kevin..
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It is possible the drugs themselves that were used to treat the depression increased the chance for suicide as in the latest FDA’s drug investigations into these medications based on new studies. It does sound strange that drugs given to people to treat depression can cause further depression resulting in suicide but it is looking like their is enough cases of it being reported for the FDA to stand up and take notice. Public Health Advisory: Suicidality in Adults Being Treated with Antidepressant Medications Audience: Neuropsychiatric healthcare professionals and consumers [UPDATE 07/08/2005] FDA notified healthcare professionals about the availability of updated Healthcare Professional and Patient Information Sheets for antidepressant medications that were the subject of a June 30, 2005 Public Health Advisory issued about the risk of suicidality (suicidal thinking or behavior) in adults being treated with antidepressant medications. [Posted 07/01/2005] In response to recent scientific publications that report the possibility of increased risk of suicidal behavior in adults treated with antidepressants, the FDA has issued a Public Health Advisory to update patients and healthcare providers with the latest information on this subject. Even before the publication of these recent reports, FDA had already begun the process of reviewing available data to determine whether there is an increased risk of suicidal behavior in adults taking antidepressants. The Agency has asked manufacturers to provide information from their trials using an approach similar to that used in the evaluation of the risk of suicidal behavior in the pediatric population taking antidepressants. This effort will involve hundreds of clinical trials and may take more than a year to complete. [July 08, 2005 - Healthcare Professional and Patient Information Sheets - FDA] - http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/antidepressants/antidepressantList.htm [July 01, 2005 - Talk Paper - FDA] – http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2005/ANS01362.html [June 30, 2005 - Public Health Advisory - FDA] – http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/advisory/SSRI200507.htm [June 30, 2005 - Drug Information Page - FDA] – http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/antidepressants/default.htm
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Okay, open your mind to this as it is very real and unknown syndrome. Do some of your searching on this. It needs to be exposed. Stimulants (marijuana, cocaine, anti-depressants, anti-anxiety drugs, kava kava, st johns wort, etc etc.) have an uncanny ability to send harm to a second or third party who may not be on anything, the most common harm being crohns or colitis, IBD etc. I believe it is those (for the most part) that get this aura of harm via mind/body connection, literally that get depressed or ill and even suicidal. The conventional thinking is that the person taking the anti-depressant is the one that gets suicidal. NO, NOT ALWAYS. Someone else’s med can affect them, and always adversely. To compound the strangeness, the two (or three) need not be in the same room for the vulnerable person to be affected, they can be miles and miles apart. Still the damage continues. And the damage can in any part of the body, heart, eyes, digestive tract etc. I also think SIDS is often caused by the mother or caretaker being on an anti-depressant, or recreational drug. No one knows what is happening, but the person on the med is totally unaware their drug can harm or sometimes kill the child. I can elaborate on cases of this type, but too long for putting all of it here. If you are investigating anything, pay special attention to groups and friends that participate in using marijuana, and if they are close in mind connection, some will be ill, or a friend or relative will be ill. You can bet on this. Look into it. It is strange and almost unbelievable but destructive in a subtle manner no one can suspect. No judgment on the drugs, just an effort to make this known, so that it can be curbed to an extent, or at least inform the ill person just why they are ill. No one can realize the amount of harm done in this manner. These illnesses are being research throughout the world, but not being a scientific cause, it remains in the realm of impossible. But it is not impossible, it is very LIKELY. Gail
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To anwser the orrigional question, no I dont know of any natural supplement that has caused death. As for why some people commit suicide on prozac etc. it is typically thought that when depressed patients are on medication they can gain increased energy yet not necessarly decreased depression and thus are gain the energy or motivation needed to comitt suicide. There can be many cognitive reasons for why it is antidepressants spur someone on to commit suicide but considering a so called "healthy" person would not commit suicide if given an antidepressant it cannot be said that the antidepressant alone is the only cause of the suicide. Since everyones brain chemistry is different, antidepressants work differently on the individual person. Antidepressants are not "bad" things people just not right for certian people. Individuals just need to find out what works well for them and people who are at risk for suicide should be monitered especially teens who in general don’t have the ability to make good judgements and may not *fully* understand the implications of their actions. As for Gail’s post, the illnesses mentioned such as IBS and Chrons etc are stress related illnesses which may be percipitated by the stressful events one has to deal with say by interacting with a depressed loved one. The stomach also is highly innervated with the same neurotransmitters involved in depression. Therfore there may be a general disregulation in the brain and stomach, say in families. As for the mariguana stuff and illness it almost becomes a question of which came first the chicken or the egg? I tend to believe that any drug someone abuses be it coffee, alcohol or something "harder" is being used to medicate an underlying problem
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GFX and AC are 100% correct about anti-depressants and suicide. As a medical practitioner who prescribes these drugs regularly, I havn’t personally had one of my patients commit suicide, but some colleagues of mine have. These are patients who have major depressive disorders, or are dually diagnosed as depressive with schizophrenia usually. As for the drugs causing suicide? I think it would be fair to say that the data from those studies is wildly open to interpretation. Is a person with a Major depressive disorder likely to commit suicide if put on an anti-depressant? NO. quite the contrary in the vast majority of cases. But, as GFX and AC correctly pointed out, in a major depressive disorder, most patients lack the energy or motivation to commit suicide, if that’s something their even thinking about. I’d say that of the patients with MDD I see, about 5% admit to suicidal ideations. Now some simply lie, but most are sincere and just want to get better. The anti-depressant, whatever type or dose and if it works for that person, gives them more energy and helps them think a bit better. Sometimes the increase comes with better sleep or better appetite that the medication gives them. What ever the cause of the "increased energy" or motivation is probably from the anti-depressant effects. Then with this energy and motivation increase, the person is able to carry out possibly a premeditated suicide plan that they had been thinking about, but were too unmotivated to act upon those feelings. I feel these odds of this happening are extremely slim and I really don’t think you can entirely blame the anti-depressant for the suicide. Now, people with GAD or PD aren’t at any increased risk for suicide when taking anti-depressants. Some may be depressed, but not to the point of someone with MDD as their primary diagnosis. Scott
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I will speak only for myself – the more I read, hear and see, the more arcane the entire subject becomes. Anxiety meds cause anxiety as a side effect for some, and tranquilize others. It is just not that well-elucidated yet – this whole psychopharm thing. Scarier still is that there are many people out there who are being evaluated and treated by people who see themselves largely as ‘brain-technicians’ (if you will) and not really receiving very good (if any) therapy at all – talk about lack of holism. Some schizophrenic patients improve simply by having someone listen to their situation, give concrete suggestion, and suddenly their symptoms (positive and negative) lessen – irrespective of drugs used. This is not to say that I’m abandoning the pharmacy (well, maybe the one I’m presently using, but that’s a whole ‘nuther story..) for tea and aroma infusions, but the various effects and responses do seem way over-determined sometimes, at least to me.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GFX and AC are 100% correct about anti-depressants and suicide. As a medical practitioner who prescribes these drugs regularly, I havn’t personally had one of my patients commit suicide, but some colleagues of mine have. These are patients who have major depressive disorders, or are dually diagnosed as depressive with schizophrenia usually. As for the drugs causing suicide? I think it would be fair to say that the data from those studies is wildly open to interpretation. Is a person with a Major depressive disorder likely to commit suicide if put on an anti-depressant? NO. quite the contrary in the vast majority of cases. But, as GFX and AC correctly pointed out, in a major depressive disorder, most patients lack the energy or motivation to commit suicide, if that’s something their even thinking about. I’d say that of the patients with MDD I see, about 5% admit to suicidal ideations. Now some simply lie, but most are sincere and just want to get better. The anti-depressant, whatever type or dose and if it works for that person, gives them more energy and helps them think a bit better. Sometimes the increase comes with better sleep or better appetite that the medication gives them. What ever the cause of the "increased energy" or motivation is probably from the anti-depressant effects. Then with this energy and motivation increase, the person is able to carry out possibly a premeditated suicide plan that they had been thinking about, but were too unmotivated to act upon those feelings. I feel these odds of this happening are extremely slim and I really don’t think you can entirely blame the anti-depressant for the suicide. Now, people with GAD or PD aren’t at any increased risk for suicide when taking anti-depressants. Some may be depressed, but not to the point of someone with MDD as their primary diagnosis. Scott
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Is there any natural or a supplement out there that has caused death or suicide,if taken as recommended. Just wondering because I heard Zoloft,celexa Prozac, Effexor they causes suicidal tendencys I found 2,500.00 cases Can any one help Be blessed
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Is there any natural or a supplement out there that has caused death or suicide,if taken as recommended. Just wondering because I heard Zoloft,celexa Prozac, Effexor they causes suicidal tendencys I found 2,500.00 cases Can any one help Be blessed
Well not exactly. You found evidence of attempted law suits. Now post how many were actually attributed to those drugs in the end. Natural remedies ? You mean you don’t list them on your cockamamie web site ?
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Depression causes suicidal tendencies. Often patients treated (with anything) get a little bit better, then they (while not really "better yet") have enough enough energy to complete a suicidal task. Patients started on any anti-depressant (allopathic or homeopathic IMO) should be observed closely as they start to experience the effects of the treatment. I will make it my business to find out more about this, and that means it will be discovered and disclosed. You can count on it. Gary
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will speak only for myself – the more I read, hear and see, the more arcane the entire subject becomes. Anxiety meds cause anxiety as a side effect for some, and tranquilize others. It is just not that well-elucidated yet – this whole psychopharm thing. Scarier still is that there are many people out there who are being evaluated and treated by people who see themselves largely as ‘brain-technicians’ (if you will) and not really receiving very good (if any) therapy at all – talk about lack of holism. Some schizophrenic patients improve simply by having someone listen to their situation, give concrete suggestion, and suddenly their symptoms (positive and negative) lessen – irrespective of drugs used. This is not to say that I’m abandoning the pharmacy (well, maybe the one I’m presently using, but that’s a whole ‘nuther story..) for tea and aroma infusions, but the various effects and responses do seem way over-determined sometimes, at least to me. GFX and AC are 100% correct about anti-depressants and suicide. As a medical practitioner who prescribes these drugs regularly, I havn’t personally had one of my patients commit suicide, but some colleagues of mine have. These are patients who have major depressive disorders, or are dually diagnosed as depressive with schizophrenia usually. As for the drugs causing suicide? I think it would be fair to say that the data from those studies is wildly open to interpretation. Is a person with a Major depressive disorder likely to commit suicide if put on an anti-depressant? NO. quite the contrary in the vast majority of cases. But, as GFX and AC correctly pointed out, in a major depressive disorder, most patients lack the energy or motivation to commit suicide, if that’s something their even thinking about. I’d say that of the patients with MDD I see, about 5% admit to suicidal ideations. Now some simply lie, but most are sincere and just want to get better. The anti-depressant, whatever type or dose and if it works for that person, gives them more energy and helps them think a bit better. Sometimes the increase comes with better sleep or better appetite that the medication gives them. What ever the cause of the "increased energy" or motivation is probably from the anti-depressant effects. Then with this energy and motivation increase, the person is able to carry out possibly a premeditated suicide plan that they had been thinking about, but were too unmotivated to act upon those feelings. I feel these odds of this happening are extremely slim and I really don’t think you can entirely blame the anti-depressant for the suicide. Now, people with GAD or PD aren’t at any increased risk for suicide when taking anti-depressants. Some may be depressed, but not to the point of someone with MDD as their primary diagnosis. Scott
funny thing about suicide-we can’t ask those who did it, why? I have seen people commit suicide on and off meds-thankfully like Scott, I have lost two clients in over thirty years and both had significant disordered psyches-ad meds do lots of things to people-most of the brooha is regarding teens using them and a teens brain isn’t like an adults-nor are their responses to things like "impulses" and it can be a fair assesment to state ad meds lower impulse control for some people prone to this response on these meds-hence-you will find people who commit crimes, to themselves or others, who take ad meds. The popularity of these drugs has increased the small percentage of those who fall to this behavior and response to a grerater degree—with that litigenous attorneys, media and horror mongering have made these issues much more prevalent to our awareness in our society. Meds have risks-every one of them. It is only prudent to weigh the risk vrs benefit ratio for any patient considering using pharmaceuticals. By and large, ad meds are safe when used as directed by a doc who knows how to use them. All medical practitioners tend to become myopic when drugs become over sold by big pharma and by media hyperbole-anxiety and depression are not easy to treat-we are led to believe they are. These meds are not a panacea or magic bullet, just a tool to use- The mutlidimensional application of prudent intervention and therapy as well as insightful use of pharmacopea has allowed us to garner much better results in treating disorders then ever before-but with that comes a price and that price is that some will suffer from some sort of side effect or paradoxical effect or long term negative manifestations from using a specific chemcial or procedure-there are after all, as analogy, those who do not survive angioplasty or gain great benefit from it-so we don’t scrap it, we do embrace it as a lifesaving technique with risk-psychiatry is the same just my 2 cents
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