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What were the side effects of Mometasone furoate (if any)?  I wonder if it will eventually be a possible substitute for high dose inhaled steroids??  I really dislike the side effects from my Flovent 220.  I’m so glad it worked for your daughter and hope she can get a prescription soon.  Nancy, I know you have been waiting a long time for this…I remember your posts about the med from last year!!!  :o)

Hiya – I went looking for the notes from my study – I dont know if I was on Mometasone Furoate or not.  I know that I, personally, experienced no side effects from the inhaler.  From what my doctor mentioned, the biggest complaint was thrush, but I have always been very careful about gargling, so it wasnt a problem for me. Thanks Patrice – I am hopeful that it will come out this year, and pray that my insurance will cover it!!! Life is uncertain – eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: )

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Hi Linda and others, What were the side effects of Mometasone furoate (if any)?  I wonder if it will eventually be a possible substitute for high dose inhaled steroids??  I really dislike the side effects from my Flovent 220.  I’m so glad it worked for your daughter and hope she can get a prescription soon.  Nancy, I know you have been waiting a long time for this…I remember your posts about the med from last year!!!  :o) Patrice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My daughter (age 10) just finished a year long study of inhaled mometasone furoate. It was terrific! The doctor that performed the study said it ought to be approved around August or September of this year. Ours was a Phase 3 study. Linda CHICAGO-A dry-powder inhaler charged with mometasone furoate can reduce the need for oral corticosteroid therapy. Seeking to wean high-dose, steroid-dependent patients with severe asthma from prednisone, a Thomas Jefferson Hospital-Hershey Medical Center team administered mometasone furoate at dosages of 400 mcg or 800 mcg BID in 128 patients over three months. The same patients were later rolled into a second open-label study where they got mo-metasone furoate in a dose gradually reduced over nine months to 400 mcg BID. Among 95 patients who completed the study, daily oral prednisone usage was reduced by 86%, with 64% completely eliminating it, a team led by Dr. James E. Fish told the American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology meeting here. Lung function also improved. I was in a study group for a Mometasone inhaler (not the dry powder type, the normal type) and it worked MIRACLES for me.  I have been steroid dependent for 3 years now.  By the time the study was over, I was on 2 mg a day, and on my way to getting off of that, which was unheard of before.  Once the study ended and I had to stop the medicine, I went back to my normal 20-30 mg daily. I finished this study almost 2 years ago and the company is still waiting for freakin FDA approval.  It drives me nuts knowing that a med is out there that might enable me to go back to work and have a life, and not have access to it – arrgghhhhhh!!! Life is uncertain – eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: )

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -CHICAGO-A dry-powder inhaler charged with mometasone furoate can reduce the need for oral corticosteroid therapy. Seeking to wean high-dose, steroid-dependent patients with severe asthma from prednisone, a Thomas Jefferson Hospital-Hershey Medical Center team administered mometasone furoate at dosages of 400 mcg or 800 mcg BID in 128 patients over three months. The same patients were later rolled into a second open-label study where they got mo-metasone furoate in a dose gradually reduced over nine months to 400 mcg BID. Among 95 patients who completed the study, daily oral prednisone usage was reduced by 86%, with 64% completely eliminating it, a team led by Dr. James E. Fish told the American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology meeting here. Lung function also improved.

I was in a study group for a Mometasone inhaler (not the dry powder type, the normal type) and it worked MIRACLES for me.  I have been steroid dependent for 3 years now.  By the time the study was over, I was on 2 mg a day, and on my way to getting off of that, which was unheard of before.  Once the study ended and I had to stop the medicine, I went back to my normal 20-30 mg daily. I finished this study almost 2 years ago and the company is still waiting for freakin FDA approval.  It drives me nuts knowing that a med is out there that might enable me to go back to work and have a life, and not have access to it – arrgghhhhhh!!! Life is uncertain – eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: )

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My daughter (age 10) just finished a year long study of inhaled mometasone furoate. It was terrific! The doctor that performed the study said it ought to be approved around August or September of this year. Ours was a Phase 3 study. Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CHICAGO-A dry-powder inhaler charged with mometasone furoate can reduce the need for oral corticosteroid therapy. Seeking to wean high-dose, steroid-dependent patients with severe asthma from prednisone, a Thomas Jefferson Hospital-Hershey Medical Center team administered mometasone furoate at dosages of 400 mcg or 800 mcg BID in 128 patients over three months. The same patients were later rolled into a second open-label study where they got mo-metasone furoate in a dose gradually reduced over nine months to 400 mcg BID. Among 95 patients who completed the study, daily oral prednisone usage was reduced by 86%, with 64% completely eliminating it, a team led by Dr. James E. Fish told the American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology meeting here. Lung function also improved. I was in a study group for a Mometasone inhaler (not the dry powder type, the normal type) and it worked MIRACLES for me.  I have been steroid dependent for 3 years now.  By the time the study was over, I was on 2 mg a day, and on my way to getting off of that, which was unheard of before.  Once the study ended and I had to stop the medicine, I went back to my normal 20-30 mg daily. I finished this study almost 2 years ago and the company is still waiting for freakin FDA approval.  It drives me nuts knowing that a med is out there that might enable me to go back to work and have a life, and not have access to it – arrgghhhhhh!!! Life is uncertain – eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: )

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Physician’s Weekly March 20, 2000 Mometasone furoate subs for steroids CHICAGO-A dry-powder inhaler charged with mometasone furoate can reduce the need for oral corticosteroid therapy. Seeking to wean high-dose, steroid-dependent patients with severe asthma from prednisone, a Thomas Jefferson Hospital-Hershey Medical Center team administered mometasone furoate at dosages of 400 mcg or 800 mcg BID in 128 patients over three months. The same patients were later rolled into a second open-label study where they got mo-metasone furoate in a dose gradually reduced over nine months to 400 mcg BID. Among 95 patients who completed the study, daily oral prednisone usage was reduced by 86%, with 64% completely eliminating it, a team led by Dr. James E. Fish told the American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology meeting here. Lung function also improved.

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On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 02:09:40 GMT, "Lis" <liont…@ptd.net

wrote: Many people are able to do this, and the next best drug is the clonezapam, it’s also a narcotic (highly addictive).

Clonazepam is NOT a narcotic, but it does have addicting properties (best tapered off slowly).

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On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 00:58:18 GMT, "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com

wrote: When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds like she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good night sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it work? Is it expensive?

The usual medicine used for PLMD is Klonopin. It has antiseizure and antianxiety effects. It has been around for many years, and is available generically (which means "inexpensive").

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Hi, When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds like she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good night sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it work? Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz

Deniz…… before you start thinking of treatment with medicines, you have to diagnose the problem.  She should go to a doctor and be tested. Self treatment is dangerous. Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News ==———-    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–

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Thanks for all the answers. Lee, sad thing is medication cost is an important decision maker on going to a doctor. Referring to the responses about the cost, I think we will see a doctor. I’ve never thought about self diagnose. Thanks for the warning. — – Deniz "Lee Babcock" <leebabc…@pathcom.com

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DenoxiS wrote: Hi, When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds

like

she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good

night

sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said

there

are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it

work?

Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz Deniz…… before you start thinking of treatment with medicines, you have to diagnose the problem.  She should go to a doctor and be tested. Self treatment is dangerous. Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:13:59 GMT, "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com

wrote: Lee, sad thing is medication cost is an important decision maker on going to a doctor. Referring to the responses about the cost, I think we will see a doctor.

A lot of them (particularly now) seem to know a bit about the cost of meds. An almost foolproof rule is "available as a generic" means considerably cheaper than "not available as a generic." Another one is "available as a generic for more than six months" means cheaper than "available as a generic for less than six months." The one glaring exception in the USA: tamoxifen. It’s all made by AstraZeneca, even if it is in a Barr bottle. (This is expected to change by the end of the month.)

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:13:59 GMT, "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com wrote: Lee, sad thing is medication cost is an important decision maker on going to a doctor. Referring to the responses about the cost, I think we will see a doctor. A lot of them (particularly now) seem to know a bit about the cost of meds. An almost foolproof rule is "available as a generic" means considerably cheaper than "not available as a generic." Another one is "available as a generic for more than six months" means cheaper than "available as a generic for less than six months." The one glaring exception in the USA: tamoxifen. It’s all made by AstraZeneca, even if it is in a Barr bottle. (This is expected to change by the end of the month.)

Charlie so true. In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available. But then, we have a lot more generics here than in the US. If Beth is watching, what is the status of generics in Australia? Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News ==———-    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–

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In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available. But then, we have a lot more generics here than in the US. If Beth is watching, what is the status of generics in Australia?

oh, we definately have generic brands widely available, in fact, there’s a push to get people to use the generics now.  Thing is, our medication is generally subsidised by the govt (not all, but a lot) and if the govt can get people to use cheaper brands, then they’re pushing people to do it. Which is fine by me, cause the generics are exactly the same save the packaging. — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available. But then, we have a lot more generics here than in the US. If Beth is watching, what is the status of generics in Australia? oh, we definately have generic brands widely available, in fact, there’s a push to get people to use the generics now.  Thing is, our medication is generally subsidised by the govt (not all, but a lot) and if the govt can get people to use cheaper brands, then they’re pushing people to do it. Which is fine by me, cause the generics are exactly the same save the packaging. — Beth in Australia

Not quite true… The active ingredients are the same but colouring agents, preservatives, binders can be a little different. Regards Lee in Toronto ———–== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Uncensored Usenet News ==———-    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–

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On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:04:23 -0500, Lee Babcock <leebabc…@pathcom.com

wrote: In Canada, many doctors have their prescription pads printed with a statement to issue generics if available.

The way they do it in the USA varies from state to state, but here’s how they do it in Texas. The doctor has two lines on the prescription pad and signs one of them:         Dispense As Written         Product Selection Permitted Then, off to the pharmacy… where they then ask you if you want the generic (if there is one). In some states, they make them write out "Dispense as Written" (which the drug industry doesn’t like as much).

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Hi, When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds like she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good night sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it work? Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz

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Deniz, There are several medicines. See the last link below for a description of what they can do for you. My husband and I have gotten a "California King" sized bed to prevent the injury problem (we BOTH kick). And I once had such a quick movement with my arm that I gave him a black eye (I woke up the instant my knuckles connected with his head ). And then there’s the time that I dreampt that someone was knocking on the door and no one would answer it. I woke to find that My hand, flung over my head, was shaking, and knocking against the headboard. The problem we are discussing is called either Periodic Limb Movement Disorder (PLMD) if the movements are reflexive and repeated closely together. People who have this sometimes have an itchy or creepy-crawly sensation in their legs or arms before bed time (and sometimes in the day). I have that symptom (thought it was itchy varicose veins for a long time). My husband does not have that symptom. But he has another classic symptom: cramping at night, and legs that tighten up (toes curl upwards) and move up and down. It looks as if he were trying to ride a horse If it’s a single kick or an arm movement It’s Called Restless Leg Syndrome (RLS). It happens at a certain time during the falling-asleep-process (thus the black-eye story, above). I have both these problems. My husband has PLMD as far as I can tell. Either way, your girlfriend will have to see a sleep doctor for a sleep test and treatment if it is causing big problems, something that sufferers are surprised about if the problem doesn’t wake THEM up. Most people find out about such problems from their sleep partners. My husband has always refused testing and treatment, thus the really big bed . All our cuddling happens while awake, because if we sleep "spooning," someone either gets woken in pain, or wakes up with bruises the next morning. Sleep disorders often come in groups. The sleep test is vital to discover if your friend had some other problems (such as a certain breathing problem while sleeping, called apnea, which is sometimes accompanied by these problems). If you have trouble convincing your friend that she needs to see a Doctor for a referral to a sleep doctor/center for a "sleep test," try filming her at night as she sleeps, with her permission. She might be surprised to see herself beating you up in her sleep. There are some things she can do to lessen her problems on her own, if this is indeed the problem I’m talking about. I’m going to list those things as I wrote them to another sufferer (who also got severe leg cramps) last week or so: 1. Melatonin works to induce sleep. This sometimes helps you sleep through cramps. It is fairly safe and non-addictive. Benadryl brand antihistimine (and the generic brands, too) can induce deep enough sleep to over-ride the symptoms. Many people are able to do this, and the next best drug is the clonezapam, it’s also a narcotic (highly addictive). 2. Move your body. Get walking or leg exercise during the day. If you have an attack at night, get up and move a round a bit, then try again to sleep. Experiment with exercise times, as it takes a different routine with different timing (in relation to bedtime) for each person who suffers from this disorder. 3. Lose weight if you need to. Attacks are fewer and less severe when we weigh less. 4. For some people, heat helps. Try a hot water bottle, bed socks, a heating pad or a hot bath before bed. 5. Do as much as you can to be very sleepy before you go to bed. Do as much as you can to fall asleep quickly. The longer it takes to fall asleep, the more likely it is that you’ll be woken by the cramping. So, take hot baths or showers to relax you. 6. Develop good "sleep hygiene," which means do not use your bed to do anything but sleep in (no TV, reading, exercising, radio, etc…). Go to bed on a rigid schedule. Develop a bedtime routine that you can take with you wherever you go. If you cannot sleep, get out of bed and do something quietly until you are sleepy again. This trains your body to go to sleep as soon as you are in bed, and not wait for something interesting to happen . 7.Learn meditation and relaxation skills. They help. 8.Check with a dietitian to see what you can do with your diet to lessen leg cramps (get lots of potassium, magnesium, calcium, etc.). 9. Get educated! Educate your Physician. There are some links on this page (same tips, but it saves me typing web addresses):  http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders/RLS.htm And to add to those links, this is the Restless Leg Support Group homepage: http://www.rlshelp.org/  They are in Southern California, but there is a ton of really good informationon that page. I highly reccomend it. Good Luck! Lis "DenoxiS" <denoxisTHISPARTISFORS…@hotmail.com

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Hi, When we sleep with my girlfriend in the same bed, she kicks and sounds

like

she is going to cry. I hardly stop her and usually cannot have a good

night

sleep. I saw a program on TV about this sleep disorder and they said there are some medicine available for this. They didn’t give more specific information. Does anybody know anything about the medication? Does it

work?

Is it expensive? TIA — – Deniz

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Question:

Just out of curiosity, what are the know side-effects (long term) of taking a leukotriene inhibitor.  It seems to me that leukotrienes play a somewhat vital role in the body so I’m curious as to what the dangers are of taking something like Accolate which inhibits them?

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Just out of curiosity, what are the know side-effects (long term) of taking a leukotriene inhibitor.  It seems to me that leukotrienes play a somewhat vital role in the body so I’m curious as to what the dangers are of taking something like Accolate which inhibits them?

I’m sure others will provide more details but anyway— the drugs singulair and accolate are leukotriene receptor antagonists.  That may seem a bit Greek but what they do is to compete with leukotrienes for the leukotriene binding site on the outside cell surface.  If the site is already complexed with singulair or accolate then the leukotriene can not bind and the cascade of events that would have followed does not occur.  There are some structural (chemical) differences in the antagonistic active ingredient of accolate and singulair.  They are not the same molecule although they fulfill the same function, hence two patents and two drugs.  Apparently the ability of the active ingredient to bind to the leukotriene receptor differs between the two.  That’s why singulair is one pill a day and accolate is twice a day.  Also, the leukotriene receptors are not identical in every individual, apparently there is some genetic diversity for their chemical structure.  That’s why some people are helped by one but not the other and why not everyone is helped by either of them (of course there are probably several other reasons also, like the cause of the inflammation that gets labeled asthma) .  From what I’ve seen here and from the package insert (I believe) accolate is degraded by the liver while singulair is not (anybody can step in here if they have a better understanding).  In fact I think I’ll quit before I get beyond my own understanding.  I hope someone corrects me if I have provided an incorrect view of their mechanism.

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Just out of curiosity, what are the know side-effects (long term) of taking a leukotriene inhibitor.  It seems to me that leukotrienes play a somewhat vital role in the body so I’m curious as to what the dangers are of taking something like Accolate which inhibits them?

Well, it’s probably safe to say that no one knows what the long-term side-effects are.  Generally these would be projected from animal studies where high concentrations are fed to the animals, hoping to accelerate any negative effects, and this approach has been reasonably reliable in most cases.  Such studies are in no way a sure thing, however, as has been demonstrated by the recall of several drugs recently. One advantage of leukotriene inhibitors, though, is that the drugs more accurately "target" the problem being treated than do steroids (which are something of a blunderbuss approach).

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"Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com

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I heard back from the psychiatrist who said the Torticollis could be

a rare

side effect from increasing his Effexor dose, which we did recently.

So now we

are decreasing it again, which of course brings on an entirely

different set of

problems.

I was actually wondering about that….let us know what happens.

As for the delirium with the toothache, I meant that I was not

coherent about

the passage of time, or what was going on. I was home alone, in bed,

just

basically sleeping and eating ibuprofen. I did try to speak up to

the dentist,

but I tend to be a hypochondriac, so when the dentist told me to

take ibuprofen

and see him on Monday, I figured I was over-reacting. He is a really

great guy,

and he felt terrible when he saw the condition I was in. I also have

difficulty

sometimes making myself clear on the phone when articulating my

needs, so I

don’t blame him.

Now he’ll know, and you too, for next time (which i hope doesn’t come soon)

Ah, well. Wish me luck with the Torticollis/Depression etc. My ex

was NO help,

when I was discussing reducing the Effexor with him, he said, "well,

he should

be learning coping skills for his depression anyway, and should be

able to stop

taking anti-depressants completely soon."

I’m all for learning coping skills and cognitive-behavioral techniques for helping with depression, but for many people that just isn’t enough.

Ugh. The man has NO clue what he is talking about. My entire family

has genetic

chemical depression, although hanging around the likes of HIM

doesn’t really

help! Okay, I’ll stop venting. xoxoox Sara

No need, venting is good! jo

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Torticollis has more than one cause.  You can be born with it.  I’ve had it several times, as had my wife.  It comes on as a "crick" in the neck, causing intense pain when you turn your head in one direction; as a result you end up holding your head in an abnormal position and other muscles get sore.  It often last a day or two and can be treated with heat and/or muscle relaxants.  There can be other underlying causes such as an extra rib in the cervical area, etc.  It can be spontaneous or come from unusual positions and strains like long flights, sleeping oddly, carrying heavy luggage, etc. Roger D. Freeman, M.D. "Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com

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Does anyone know anything about torticollis? It’s also known as Wry Neck.

My

13-year-old son was just dx’d with it. Sara

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It can be spontaneous or come from unusual positions and strains like long flights, sleeping oddly, carrying heavy luggage, etc.

Thank you Roger, I’m beginning to suspect that while the Effexor may have made conditions more hospitable for it, the real culprit is the 60-pound backpack. He’s been using a rolling backpack since Monday, and as of today is almost pain-free and is not twisted. Of course, I have not let up on the ibuprofen. I’ll wait until the weekend to see how he does without that. Sara

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"Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com

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It can be spontaneous or come from unusual positions and strains like long flights, sleeping oddly, carrying heavy

luggage, etc.

Thank you Roger, I’m beginning to suspect that while the Effexor may

have made

conditions more hospitable for it, the real culprit is the 60-pound

backpack.

He’s been using a rolling backpack since Monday, and as of today is

almost

pain-free and is not twisted.

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Of course, I have not let up on the ibuprofen. I’ll wait until the

weekend to

see how he does without that. Sara

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If he was carrying it over one shoulder, no wonder!! Jo

No, he uses both shoulders, all the kids do, but hoisting it up there is a feat. Not studying Geology, just History, Algebra, Science, Art, plus notebooks for all subjects, plus workbooks, plus a large binder, plus a P.E. binder and workbook, plus a binder reminder. It’s ridiculous. None of the kids use their lockers, because the lockers are just broken into and the contents stolen. And this is in the BEST part of town, in one of the top 100 safest cities in the United States. I shudder to think what is going on in other schools. Sara

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‘Twas 10 Mar 2004 17:37:38 GMT when all alt.support.tourette stood in awe as sesgard…@aol.com (Sesgardner) uttered:

My ex was NO help, when I was discussing reducing the Effexor with him, he said, "well, he should be learning coping skills for his depression anyway, and should be able to stop taking anti-depressants completely soon."

He seems about as sympathetic as granite.  How did you ever…I shouldn’t ask.

Ugh. The man has NO clue what he is talking about. My entire family has genetic chemical depression,

Is the genetic problem depression per se or allergies?  Many people have been diagnosed with mental condition that were environmentally caused.  

Okay, I’ll stop venting.

A.s.t is a perfect place to vent. — RB |  

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Have you had your thyroid tested? for sure………it can cause all those symptoms!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dale Davis wrote: I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help. Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

Thanks for your response. I didn’t get a hand tremor until a month ago. The gyno doctors wanted to prescribe tranquil. because they felt the headaches, nausea and intermittent fevers  were not  menopause related and I looked depressed. I explained they would look depressed too if they sat where I was sitting with a headache, nausea and a 99+ fever. I couldn’t possibly be cheerful. No one tested me for depression. I’m waitng for an MRI and neuro consult. Although I never heard of hand tremors associated with menopause I was hoping maybe it was a rare symptom rather than the alternative diagnosis of brain inflammation, brain tumor, Parkinsons. Dale

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Hi Dale and welcome to a.s.m.  For what it’s worth, I have hand tremors under two circumstances, neither of which is, I believe, directly related to menopause.  In 1998 I had a neuropraxia of my right hand.  I thought I had had a stroke and went to the emergency room.  Believe it or not, my doctor advised acupuncture (which I was getting for a shoulder injury) and it eventually went away by itself.  Affected my handwriting something awful for a while.  Now I get hand tremors from pain.  I have recently posted under other threads about dealing with unwanted facial hair and, respectively, electrolysis and most recently (today, in fact) laser hair removal.  The pain causes hand tremors.  I think it is wise of you, though, to have a checkup to see if there is another reason for them.  I have had headaches for many years, but nausea and fevers (unless you are referring to hot flashes, which, at least in me, do not cause actual measurable fever) is a good thing. Best wishes, RuthJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dale Davis wrote:

I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help.

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I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help.

Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

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since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new

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hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a

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menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run

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the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably

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since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I

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possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have.

Hope

someone can offer some help.

I understand your frustration as I went through many years of ‘mis-diagnosis’ before I got an answer to all my symptoms. The best advice I can give is for you  to ask your neurologist for a brain MRI scan, it’s a painless non-invasive procedure. I hope you can get your health problems resolved quickly. — Shirley see my cat pictures at http://communities.msn.co.uk/Friendsfamilyandfelines2

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Aargh – I forgot to paste the URL before I sent the message.  Sorry about that!  Here it is: http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=973&cn=5 It’s a form that you can fill out on line.  It won’t give you a "definitive diagnosis" but it will help you to understand if you are showing a lot of the symptoms of depression. FurPaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mink wrote:

Can you pls. fill me in on this depression test?  Is it a form with lots of questions on it? Thanks. Kate FurPaw wrote: Dale Davis wrote: I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help. Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

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Can you pls. fill me in on this depression test?  Is it a form with lots of questions on it? Thanks. Kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -FurPaw wrote:

Dale Davis wrote: I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help. Hi, Dale, and welcome to ASM! The three things I know of that cause hand tremors are anxiety/nervousness, essential tremor, and Parkinson’s.  I’m wondering if the first is the reason they tried to prescribe tranqs.  Otherwise, I’d think they would have gone for an antidepressant if they thought that you were depressed.  Did any of the doctors give you a test for depression?  There are several available, none of which would take more than five minutes to administer.  Here’s one: If they didn’t, shame on them! I hope you have better luck with the neurologist. FurPaw

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I have been having headaches, nausea and fevers for many years. At first I attributed these symtoms to perimenopause. However, after years of feeling badly I had a complete checkup at a number of internists and gyno offices. No one has been able to find out what the problem is. It has been one year since my last period and I am still feeling ill. I have a new symptom of hand tremors and wondered has anyone ever experienced this as a symptom of menopause? I am going for a neuro consult but I just wanted to run this by the newgroup. Many of the doctors have just said I’m probably depressed since all my blood work is normal and to go on tranquilizers. I don’t buy that diagnosis, I am not depressed. and am trying to get as much info as possible. I refuse to be treated for something that I don’t have. Hope someone can offer some help.

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Effexor Withdrawal Causing Crackling Sounds in the Brain Antidepressants  "Thank God for this website." I had a nervous breakdown six years ago and after being on other

anti-depressants without a problem, my psychiatrist felt that Effexor had less of an effect on the heart, and so switched me to Effexor. I have tried unsuccessfully to quit on many

occasions, even though I only take 37.5 mgs per day. The extreme lethargy I feel when I have tried to quit, the tingling in various parts of my body, the weird dreams and most

troublesome of all, the crackling, electric sounds in my head have caused me too much distress to ever be successful.

Hi, I think that you have to think about all these  side effect problems. Maybe they are not side-effect, maybe they are only telling you that you are stressed, and you need to fix your problems, otherwise the side-problems will be forever with you B

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I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? Berty

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I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes.

I’m glad you are giving up your silence. but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much.

<nod, nod I know this one. , and my moods can change so rapidly

Mine too. I just can’t sleep properly.  I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired.  It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night.  I’m back taking valium again,

OK, NOW you’re really starting to sound like me but I went on Xanax. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep.

I’m not telling but I might do this too but the Xanax does knock me out for a while. I also have been having weird and bad dreams again. I hope you start doing better soon. Maybe by opening up it will help. Mary Beth p’ed and e’d

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now.  Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though.  I need to break my

hugs to you too! Sfunny..  I was just thinking I hadn’t seen you for a while in asd… glad to see that you are okayish…. I know how you feel about tiredness…  I’m on 225mg daily of effexor, and i constantly feel very tired…..  I sleep ok, but i wake at 7am every day ((( have you tried herbal sleeping pills???  They may mess up with your meds….  Not getting enough sleep is annoying…. Have you mentioned your sleeping problems to your GP/therapist??? Don’t worry for posting for selfish reasons….  you have helped us loads of times in the past, so it’s time that we helped you…. Take care of yourself you hear??? Brian… Pooh…  Something stinks in my room….  Better get the hoover out!!! /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’m glad you are giving up your silence.

Thanks.  Staying silent seems safer, but I know talking and stepping over the other boundaries that I think keep me safe is the only way for me to make progress. but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much. <nod, nod I know this one.

It’s hard for people, even those who, like Leigh, have battled some depression themselves, to see things from my point of view.  When some days just getting out of bed is a great achievement, or even just staying alive, it seems to me like I’m making a huge effort.  But other people can’t read my mind, and they don’t know how hard some days can be, so to them, it seems like I’m doing nothing. , and my moods can change so rapidly Mine too.

This is new for me, since I’m not bipolar.  All I know is that one day, or even one hour, I can feel fairly good, and the next I’m crying or just unable to function at all.  It’s taking a bit of getting used to. I just can’t sleep properly.  I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired.  It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night.  I’m back taking valium again, OK, NOW you’re really starting to sound like me but I went on Xanax.

I haven’t slept well in years, so I’m thinking of telling my pdoc when I see him next week if I can try a different sedative, because obviously the valium isn’t working as well as it’s supposed to. The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep. I’m not telling but I might do this too but the Xanax does knock me out for a while. I also have been having weird and bad dreams again. I hope you start doing better soon. Maybe by opening up it will help. Mary Beth p’ed and e’d

Thanks Mary Beth.  I’m glad you’ve found a pill that helps you sleep, at least at the moment anyway.  Luckily, I haven’t had many medication induced dreams (in fact, I rarely dream at all) so I really hope those go away quickly. I hope opening up a bit and posting again helps me, because nothing else seems to be working anymore. Also, thanks for responding to my post.  You don’t usually respond to things I write, and I was starting to wonder if I’d offended you or something.  I couldn’t think of how I might have done that, but I felt like I was being ignored.  I’m glad I’ve been proven wrong, and I can assume those thoughts were my own paranoia sneaking in again. I would have said that via e-mail, rather than posting it to the group,  but my proxy server is screwed up at the moment, and I can’t access my web based mail, only the account and newsgroups I have set up through Outlook Express. Thanks again, Kylie.

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CAREFUL WITH THE VALIUM. It is a muscle relaxant. And your Heart is a MUSCLE. I do hope you find something to help you get some sleep. Have you tried Ambien or Deseryl? I flip and flop like a fish out of water at times when i try to sleep at night, i have been meaning to go to a sleep clinic. If you constantly wake up, you will never get into your REM stage of sleep and you will feel tired all of the time. I hope that you are doing better. Sincerely, Trish

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It sure sounds like you’ve been through an unbelievable amount of shit.  I can’t even imagine.

Yep, an "unbelievable amount of shit" sums it up pretty well, although there are others here who have been through worse.  I’ve been diagnosed for about 14 months now, and on meds for about 8 months, yet nothing has made any difference.  I’m now failing out of uni because I can’t function properly, and I’m just trying to hang in there until my psychiatrist finds a medication that works for me.  He does believe I will respond to an SSRI, but since there’s a hell of a lot of them it could take a while to find the right one.   I have depression and have been "lucky" – I found a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – great shrink many years ago who knew what she was doing about medication and put me on Parnate, which I have been taking for almost 10 years.  I also have seen her on a regular basis for psychotherapy.  It sound horrible that you had to experience these kind of side effects on your medication.  A competent doctor should work with you to find the best medicine for you which does not have those kind of effects.  There are so many medications available now – for me, I only got real help when I went to a shrink who was trained in psychopharmocology.  It was a great combination – she knew everything about the medicines and was a great psychotherapist.  There are a lot of people out there like that.  Maybe you could find a better shrink/therapist who would work more closely with you to get the right meds which don’t fuck up your body.  Good luck.

I’m not considering changing therapists or psychiatrists yet, because I have a great relationship with my therp, and my pdoc’s specialty is abuse and trauma survivors, which is what I need, and he is nice.  I will admit that the side-effects are a total pain in the arse, but hopefully I will find a good med soon which will work, so I don’t have to keep getting used to new meds and adjusting to new effects. Thanks for caring, and I’ll definitely keep what you’ve said about changing therps or pdocs if I don’t start making some progress soon. Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now.  Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though.  I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg.  Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb.  I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do.  I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods.  He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much.  I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry.  I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I  just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him.  I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks.  I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it.  I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go.  I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick.  I only spoke to the receptionist.  I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep.  Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly.  I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired.  It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night.  I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working.  The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep.  It still hasn’t worked.  I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours.  So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep.  But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works.  And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment.  Sorry for not posting lately.  There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell.  Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone.  I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website:  http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now.  Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though.  I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. i’ve missed you. sorry, i should have said something. i’m glad you posted though, and i’m sorry things are not better for you right now. keep hangin on, kylie.

Thanks.  I didn’t think anyone had noticed I was gone.  I was hoping someone would care and post an MIA or something, but I needed to talk so I decided that my pride isn’t that important after all, and I should do what’s right for me, which is posting when I need to. I’m still hanging on, even though it’s really tough some days.  I keep going because of the slight hope that things will get better, so I’m clinging to that as tight as I can. {{{{{{kylie}}}}}}

Thanks  Right back at ya. Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — "there is a sadness that grows up around me like a weed" (ani) http://shattering.org x-no-archive: yes in the headers —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now.  Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though.  I need to break my hugs to you too! Sfunny..  I was just thinking I hadn’t seen you for a while in asd… glad to see that you are okayish….

Thanks.  I didn’t think people would notice that I was gone. I know how you feel about tiredness…  I’m on 225mg daily of effexor, and i constantly feel very tired…..  I sleep ok, but i wake at 7am every day (((

I understand.  Last year, I had problems falling asleep.  Now, I can fall asleep fairly quickly, but I just can’t stay asleep.  It’s become normal for me to wake up every 2 or 3 hours for no reason at all. have you tried herbal sleeping pills???  They may mess up with your meds….  Not getting enough sleep is annoying….

My boyfriend gave me some herbal pills called Valerian which sometimes work, and they don’t seem to interfere with my meds, but the instructions say take 3-6 tablets at night to improve sleep, and it takes the full 6 to have any effect at all for me, so I’m going through the bottle very quickly, and they’re expensive.  Unfortunatly I’m on a limited budget, so that has to be a consideration. Have you mentioned your sleeping problems to your GP/therapist???

Heaps of times.  They keep telling me the antidepressants or the valium will work, but since it’s becoming more and more obvious that they aren’t, hopefully they’ll decide to try something else. Don’t worry for posting for selfish reasons….  you have helped us loads of times in the past, so it’s time that we helped you….

I suppose…..It still feels like I’m being selfish though. Take care of yourself you hear???

I hear, and I’m trying. Brian… Pooh…  Something stinks in my room….  Better get the hoover out!!!

hehehehe Thanks Brian, Kylie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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CAREFUL WITH THE VALIUM. It is a muscle relaxant. And your Heart is a MUSCLE. I do hope you find something to help you get some sleep. Have you tried Ambien or Deseryl? I flip and flop like a fish out of water at times when i try to sleep at night, i have been meaning to go to a sleep clinic. If you constantly wake up, you will never get into your REM stage of sleep and you will feel tired all of the time. I hope that you are doing better. Sincerely, Trish

Thanks Trish. I know it was stupid to take that much Valium.  The only good thing was that I spaced the pills out through the night, rather than taking double my maximum dose all at once.  I’m just willing to try anything if it means I’ll get a good nights sleep, and not constantly feel exhausted.  I had no other intentions. I’m feeling a little bit better at the moment, but I hope stress doesn’t kick in too badly with my exams approaching, because I know how much that effects me.  I’m just hanging in there and hoping that my pdoc will have some new suggestions when I see him next week. Again, thanks for your concern.  I know it was a mistake, and I won’t experiment with my valium doseage again. Kylie.

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I also have been having weird and bad dreams again.

Are you sharing all your dreams with Terry? Is he interested, or bored? If he is bored, you could tell me instead. I could be your new husband for that purpose, until Jun.05 anyway.

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<<I can’t access my web based mail, only the account and newsgroups I have set up through Outlook Express. Did you get the e-mail I sent you on May.05&06?

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<<I can fall asleep fairly quickly, but I just can’t stay asleep. It’s become normal for me to wake up every 2 or 3 hours for no reason at all. I’m that way normally. If it’s dark at night, I fall back to sleep each time, but if I go to bed really late at night, then when it’s already morning light and I wake up I can’t get back to sleep. By the way, it’s 3AM now, which means I am going to get only 2.5 hours sleep before first light wakes me up and I can’t get back to sleep, shit!

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little mouse said: <<I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now. Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me. Last Fall we were exchanging e-mail. I was encouraging you to say ‘hi’ to people etc. to overcome shyness. Apparently my advice worked, because you met your sweetheart ‘Leigh’ and ended your virginity with him. But when I e-mailed you a few weeks ago because you were hurting so bad and I wanted to help you, you ignored my e-mail, never replied. What’s wrong with you? <<Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods. Oh, that’s so sad. I was so happy for you when you found Leigh. Leigh, if you are reading this, when she’s depressed DON’T fight with her, just hold her in your arms and let her know you love her, and ignore anything she says that seems to come from her depression. Don’t let her bad mood sucker you into a fight with her. Just give her the love she deserves, and which I know you want to give her but she resists it. Give it anyway, even if she says no sometimes. Let her know you love her in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, unconditionally. If you don’t actually love her like that, send me private e-mail so we can discuss it without her eavesdropping on it (remove my "shell." to get correct address). <<He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much.  I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry. Leigh, she can’t come to your place, she’s too emotionally low. You need to go to her place and stay with her. When she feels better THEN she can come to your place again. Don’t get angry at her for being lazy at times like this, you hear?? I cared about her before you even met her, and I still care about her, and I’m not going to let you treat her bad in her time of need. <<I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I  just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him.  I love him too much. No, don’t do that! He loves you and wants to help you. Don’t turn him away. He’ll be hurt more by not being allowed to be with you and help you, and worry if you’ll commit suicide while he’s gone, than any trivial hurt from something that "hurts" him. Please don’t turn him away if he wants to help you get through this. Please don’t worry about saying something to hurt him. Please listen to my advice. <<There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell. Back to shy like you were last Summer? I got that way myself from August to early April, due to depression caused by SweetPest’s ending our friendship and nobody else in Real Life ever wanting me. So I understand. But if you let Leigh be with you almost all the time, and let him hug and kiss you many hours per day, you won’t get so depressed as I was totally alone with not a single person ever calling or visiting to check if I was alive much less feeling OK. <<Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. That’s fine with me. You need help right now. My help is yours.

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I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now.  Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though.  I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg.  Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb.  I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do.  I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods.  He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much.  I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry.  I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I  just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him.  I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks.  I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it.  I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead.  This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go.  I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick.  I only spoke to the receptionist.  I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep.  Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly.  I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired.  It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night.  I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working.  The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep.  It still hasn’t worked.  I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours.  So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep.  But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works.  And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment.  Sorry for not posting lately.  There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell.  Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone.  I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website:  http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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It sure sounds like you’ve been through an unbelievable amount of shit.  I can’t even imagine.  I have depression and have been "lucky" – I found a great shrink many years ago who knew what she was doing about medication and put me on Parnate, which I have been taking for almost 10 years.  I also have seen her on a regular basis for psychotherapy.  It sound horrible that you had to experience these kind of side effects on your medication.  A competent doctor should work with you to find the best medicine for you which does not have those kind of effects.  There are so many medications available now – for me, I only got real help when I went to a shrink who was trained in psychopharmocology.  It was a great combination – she knew everything about the medicines and was a great psychotherapist.  There are a lot of people out there like that.  Maybe you could find a better shrink/therapist who would work more closely with you to get the right meds which don’t fuck up your body.  Good luck.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted anything in almost 2 weeks now.  Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone would miss me….It doesn’t matter though.  I need to break my silence and delurk for a few minutes. I’ve been on the medication side-effects roller-coaster for a while now, but my body has finally adjusted to Effexor XR 150 mg.  Before then, I had days of vomiting, and one really scary day when I couldn’t stand up or walk without feeling like I’d pass out, and my hands and feet going numb.  I ended up at the hospital for that one, but there wasn’t anything they could do.  I just had to adjust. Leigh and I are still together, but our relationship has been weakened recently by lots of fights, all caused by my moods.  He’s trying to be there for me, and understand how I’m feeling, but he doesn’t think I’m doing enough to fight my depression, and that I’m just giving in and staying in bed too much.  I tell him that I can’t leave my little room to stay at his place overnight, like I do every Tuesday night, and he gets angry.  I just need some space sometimes, and my moods can change so rapidly I  just know I need to be alone sometimes because I don’t want to say something and hurt him.  I love him too much. I haven’t seen my therp or pdoc in weeks.  I’ve spoken to both of them briefly on the phone, but that’s it.  I was genuinely sick last Monday, so I cancelled my appointment, and spoke to my therp on the phone instead. This Monday though, I wasn’t too sick to go.  I just couldn’t leave here, so I rang up and said I was still sick.  I only spoke to the receptionist.  I know I should get out of here and go see someone, but I don’t know if I can. I’m so tired, and all I want to do is sleep.  Getting dressed and walking to the counselling centre seems like too much. I just can’t sleep properly.  I just want to feel rested, and to wake up and not still feel tired.  It would be great not to wake up heaps of times during the night.  I’m back taking valium again, and even that isn’t working.  The last two nights, I’ve taken more than I’m supposed to, hoping that an extra pill or two will be enough to let me sleep.  It still hasn’t worked.  I take the maximum doseage when I go to bed, and still wake up within a couple of hours.  So I take an extra pill, hoping it will help me get back to sleep and stay asleep.  But I still wake up again and again. After a while I take one more, just hoping I’ll be able to sleep, but nothing works.  And yes, I do realise how scary that sounds, but I’m not going to take too many. Well, I guess that’s all the ranting I have to do at the moment.  Sorry for not posting lately.  There’s been a lot I wanted to say, but I just haven’t been able to come out of my shell.  Figures the time I do come out and post again, it’s for totally selfish reasons. Hugs to everyone.  I’ve been lurking, and have been with you all in my heart. Kylie. — ***** "I may seem alright and smile when you leave, but my smiles are just a front." "I try" – Macy Gray website:  http://members.dcscomp.com.au/thomas *****

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Does anyone here have any experience taking Effexor for ADHD?  My doctor just prescribed it.  I am taking 75mg per day.  I was taking Zoloft for depression, and he thought the Effexor would help with both the depression and the ADHD. Thanks, Phil Zerr

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Does anyone here have any experience taking Effexor for ADHD?  My doctor just prescribed it.  I am taking 75mg per day.  I was taking Zoloft for depression, and he thought the Effexor would help with both the depression and the ADHD. Thanks, Phil Zerr

About 1 month ago the same question was asked.  If this thread is not available to you check dejanews.com and search for threads on effexor.

More later George

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Hi.  yes i take zoloft and effexor along with some other meds for depression and hypomania.  they all work well.  i just have to remember to take the darn med’s daily.  otherwise all i can say is try it and see how it goes.  i have a complaint about my meds.  i am also an artist.  i can’t stand the flat line feeling (no mania)  i don’t feel energetic, creative, and grandiose with ideas (laugh).  i can’t sit still and study for my prof. exam.  i am so restless. not because the meds don’t work but because i don’t take my meds ON TIME or DAILY. it’s like i get too busy.  crazy huh?  Don’t feel bad, we’ll all find our balance… soon i hope.

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Hi.  yes i take zoloft and effexor along with some other meds for depression and hypomania.  they all work well.  i just have to remember to take the darn med’s daily.  otherwise all i can say is try it and see how it goes.  i have a complaint about my meds.  i am also an artist.  i can’t stand the flat line feeling (no mania)  i don’t feel energetic, creative, and grandiose with ideas (laugh).  i can’t sit still and study for my prof. exam.  i am so restless. not because the meds don’t work but because i don’t take my meds ON TIME or DAILY. it’s like i get too busy.  crazy huh?  Don’t feel bad, we’ll all find our balance… soon i hope.

You keep forgetting because of the flat feeling.  You don’t like it. From my experience, the SSRIs – zoloft – may cause this feeling.  I recently tried an SSRI that is new to the U.S. – Celexa  - which made me feel like sleeping all day.  I guess it reduced my impulsivity, but it increased my inattention.  Paxil was also useless for me for several similar reasons.  The Effexor seemed to be very helpful without the flat feeling, but I developed such miserable urinary tract irritation that I could not sleep.  Fortunately, for you, this side effect is uncommon.   In summary, my experience is that Effexor, which is not a SSRI,  is more effective in ADD treatmant than SSRIs.  However, for some people SSRIs are effective and often SSRIs are used in conjunction with other drugs to treat ADD.  I would suggest that overmedication with SSRI’s is not good for an artist.  It’s ok for an artist to be a little hypomanic.  It’s far better than losing one’s creativity.  Just don’t be tempted to be manic.  Talk about a rebound effect… You should discuss your problem with meds. with your doc. so that you will take your medication as prescribed rather than self-medicate.  Perhaps less Zoloft and more Effexor would work better.  Perhaps your overall dose is too high.  Your failure to follow dosing instructions could be showing that your ADD symptoms are not being well treated, also.   I certainly can not tell you, but you should think about these possibilities. George

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I just started taking effexor for depression.  I quit taking paxil and last year I was on zoloft.  I am not sure how I feel about it yet.  Would enjoy talking with you about it.

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Sadly, Joyce

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!!

Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

I agree with Gary.  If you can’t bear the side effects, then your doc needs to change or adjust your medication.  I had much less of a side effect on Zoloft, but it was still unacceptable to me and my doc took me off. Iris —

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I agree with Gary that you should report it asap to your doc, just in case.  I too take 20mg daily and had some slight "chills" and a general feeling of "spaciness."  Many on Paxil appreciate its overall effect, but need to take Xanax or another of its type to help ease the numerous, but mostly minor side effects.  I find the need for Xanax diminishes as time goes on (of course your mileage may vary – YMMV).  I can’t answer your question as to whether or not your tremors will cease. From my own experience, the side effects diminish to tolerable levels and then "plateau."  Others on this ng have had the opposite experience and they had to cease taking Paxil.  See your doc, & give it some time if the doc determines the tremors do not represent a serious situation.  Inquire about the Xanax.  I have found Paxil to be wonderfully effective but not a panacea.  Let us know what happens!  :-)     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life.

Joyce, I think you should report this to your doctor immediately. Did you have a problem with trembling before taking Paxil? — Gary Cooper

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Frankly, you’d be nuts if you weren’t depressed by this state of affairs. Ask your doc about antidepressants. Mel Headcat (head…@headcat.com) wrote:

: Does anyone else experience "emotional" symptoms when their : allergies/sinusitis is acting up? I find that I get *extremely* : depressed (low-spirited, hopeless, negative, generally defeated-feeling) : when my allergies kick in. : : I was allergy-free until I turned 40, but after that I started to notice : stuffyness, sneezing, sore throat, etc. whenever I was outdoors for any : length of time. Each year it got a little worse and finally last summer : it seemed to really "blossom" – I had what seemed like a whopper cold : that lasted literally from April through September. I had hoped the : arrival of cold weather would clear things up, but instead it got worse : – the allergy stuffyness/sneezing/etc. eased seamlessly into what was : first diagnosed as bronchitis and later recognized as pneumonia; I spent : November and December in bed and am truly just starting to feel good : again. But the damn allergy stuff is starting all over again! I’ve : learned to stay indoors a lot and that helps, as do antihistamines, etc. : But I seem to notice that in addition to the standard stuff, I also feel : distinctly depressed whenever the allergy thing is in high gear. Has : anyone else noticed this in conjunction with allergies/sinusitis? Or am : I nuts as well as allergic? : : Any input from other allergy sufferers is most gratefully welcomed. This : stuff as me about at my wits end!! The doctors I saw for pneumonia said : the allergies wouldn’t have had anything to do with it, but I find that : hard to believe. Anyone else experienced anything similar? : : R.A. Butters : — Mel Billik in Michigan Remember: if you can keep your head about you when all around you are in a panic … perhaps you don’t totally understand the situation!

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Headcat, Are you taking decongestants when your allergies act up? I find that decongestants of ANY kind make me depressed, and the longer I take them the worse it gets. Clare

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I finally found a psychiatrist who diagnosed my depression and related it to an early start with chronic allergies and sinusitis.  I’m now 39 and have had 7 surgeries (maybe 6 – they all blend together).  I am also allergic to aspirin and have found that I can’t take Ibuprofen or ANYTHING except 650 mg. of tylenol/acetominophen. H

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, Clare <cl…@iname.com wrote: Headcat, Are you taking decongestants when your allergies act up? I find that decongestants of ANY kind make me depressed, and the longer I take them the worse it gets. Clare

I’d like to echo what Clare said…many decongestants even advise that they can cause negative symptoms…related to nervous irritation or anxiety. COnsistent or excessive use of thiese medications have made me feel "depressed" in the past. I’d sooner irrigate, take papaya, or use very limited amounts of a prescribed spray. (Livostin is my choice.)

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