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Hi!    I have felt both ways meaning when the doctors have increased/decreased the Prednisone I still have numberous attacks. I have come to the conclusion that I am very sensitive to alot of allergens. Sometimes I am just not sure what to do anymore.  I hope you feel better.   Sandy

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I just tapered off a five day prednizone treatment, now I am off of it and on flovent and albuterol, has anyone felt  more asthma after coming off of pred?

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James Yes. I had to extend the pred treatment to 10 days and taper off more slowly. Norman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just tapered off a five day prednizone treatment, now I am off of it and on flovent and albuterol, has anyone felt  more asthma after coming off of pred?

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Dear Coral,     Have you tried to set an alarm for when to take your meds.  I have my inhalers by my toothbrush that way I can take the flovent BEFORE I brush my teeth. When I had to take the inhaled steroid in the middle of the day I set my watch alarm to remind me.  I think they even make little med reminder clocks that you can set to remind you.  Hope this helps  Pam.

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I don’t know if this applies to you, Coral, but I work in the computer industry, and I’m at a computer 8-10 hours a day. I’ve set reminders in Outlook that pop up so that I don’t forget to take my meds. Whatever you try, good luck! — Grant Thornley   "Do you like my mask? It brings thing back from the dead."     Giles, Season 3

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Thanks for replying guys: Chris, yes, Im going to check that pill thing out in a while after I leave the computer, Pam, thats a good idea,and yes I ve tried an alarm but I share the alarm with my hubby, who needs it to wake him up for work, so thats no good. Grant, thats a good idea, didnt think about that. (in a rush) thanks Coral

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I realize that I have to take my maintenance meds if I want to live, but my problem is that I constantly loose track of the time that I have to take them and end up skipping a night or two. Now, Ive been on Flovent and Serevent night and day for two months now and begining to feel like a crack head constantly inhaling on my areochamber.lol but seriously, sometimes I cant keep track of the time and I end up forgetting to take em. And after a while it feels like I going through some type of withdrawal.

At almost any drug store, you can get a pill box with a built-in alarm.  In almost any department store, you can get a watch with a built-in alarm.  Either will cost you less than $50, and be well-worth the expense if it helps you remember your meds. Chris Owens

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I realize that I have to take my maintenance meds if I want to live, but my problem is that I constantly loose track of the time that I have to take them and end up skipping a night or two. Now, Ive been on Flovent and Serevent night and day for two months now and begining to feel like a crack head constantly inhaling on my areochamber.lol but seriously, sometimes I cant keep track of the time and I end up forgetting to take em. And after a while it feels like I going through some type of withdrawal. Coral

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Sorry dude, I tend to agree on the side effects of Xanax..I actually was on Xanax for almost 3 yrs, AND (forgive me) was working as a P.medic at the same time…I was a walking zombie and my partners had to cover my azz more than once cuz I was falling asleep everywhere..I couldnt think straight…I couldnt DRIVE at all, and put my car in the ditch at least once…I was trying to attend college but my grades dropped like a bomb..I felt like I was in another world (I was taking this for panic attacks)…then finally, one day, I was getting into the ambulance and fell out the back door while closing it…that was enuff..withdrawal was HEAVENLY..*I love to puke, since IM also bulimic so this was right up my alley…sigghh…the dry heaves was an added bonus since I also like to punish myself..the headaches werent so cool thooo…any other questions about this lovely wonder drug?  Paxil: I just took this one 2 yrs ago for depression..was on it for about 9 mos….It made me nauseous and my stomach hurt all the time..I had headaches and felt like I had a cold all the time (stuffy head feeling)..withdrawal was not as bad as with some others, but there still was the nauseau/vomiting thing etc..so it felt just like I was still taking it till it was out of my system…blah…~Ima – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People with biplar disorder should not take Paxil or any other anti depressant long term. I am sick and tired about all these posts trying to scare people away from trying xanax.  As someone who has suffered from bipolar disorder(type 2) for 15 years, tried all the antidepressants, now on a cocktail of meds, including xanax and paxil, my experience is that PAXIL has many more adverse effects versus the marginal benefit of some anxiety relief.  I took Paxil for 5 months and was not taking any xanax, and I got some anticapation anxiety relief at the cost of NO LIBIDO, sleeping 12 hours a day, having no motivation, just didn’t give a shit, already gained 10 pounds in 5 months with the carbo craving…..And people want to talk about xanax dependency and problems with withdrawl.  I am not trying to minimize people’s experience or their pain, but with anxiety or other mental health issues, the word is YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY(YMMY).  I am a college graduate in electrical engineering from a top 5 engineering college, and now have not worked for over two years mostly because of anxiety and some depression yearly.  After working for 11 years struggling with depression and anxiety, I now have a hard time stepping outside my home.  I have considered suicide 1000’s of times over the last 15 years, actually researched and made the plans and was about to end it, and then I started on the Paxil…….Yeah, my suicidal obsessions went away, but now I was content to veg out all day watching TY or on the Net, my desire to GET A JOB disappeared.  Go research web sites and you will see how many people have problems with SSRI’s, yeah they are alive and taking that $3 pill two times a day or many $3 pills for me, but now I am NUMB and just there.  Prior to Paxil I use to be a emotional person, felt the pain of others and would cry when touched by something, but now I am a Paxil-zombie, yeah some anxiety relief but a LOT OF ME is also gone.  So all those xanax phobics, please allow people to fail with their options without scaring them.  What are people’s choices when it comes to anxiety or panic, yes paxil, yes benzo’s, yes MAIO’s, yes CBT(Cognitive Behavior Therapy).  My experience is PAXIL SUCKS and THE WITHDRAWAL IS HORRIBLE BASED ON MUCH FEEDBACK I HAVE READ ON THE NET, MAIO’S like parnate have some studies that back them up but the food restrictions are VERY DIFFICULT(no cheese, wine, beer, chocolate, many OTC meds, etc.), CBT might work for some but the feedback I have heard is that CBT plus meds work the best and I HAVE DONE THE THERAPY ROUTE and it was a waste of money. As one doctor told me, people who suffer from PANIC and think they are dieing have never been told that "your not going to die, it is all in your head"…Well that was my last session with him.  Just to repeat, this is MY EXPERIENCE and YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY.  Now I could continue to HIBERNATE IN MY HOUSE, NOT WORK, RUN OUT OF MONEY AND THEN BE HOMELESS…..Or I can be proactive and continue to experiment and try to find some solution that will allow me to work and have a life.  I have taken xanax in the past, just started it one month ago, still taking a low dose of paxil, and I am MUCH MUCH BETTER at dealing with day to day life, interacting with people, giving my shit done, etc. Yeah, maybe I will be taking xanax for the rest of my life but the only side effect I have had is some sleepiness.  And to those who talk about TOLERANCE BUILDUP, that is a CROCK, yes you might have to increase your xanax from .25mg 3 times a day to .50mg 3 times a day, there are people who have taken xanax for 5 to 15 years and most leveled out after 1 year at a dose and have no desire to increase. People need to do some research and FIND OUT THE REAL TRUTH, not what BIG PHARMA and BIG BUSINESS OWNED MEDIA OUTLETS want us to believe. Not to be cynical, but $3 no generic available paxil is much better for DRUG COMPANIES, then CHEAP GENERIC XANAX which might be more effective with less side-effects.  Why are benzo’s so hard to get, cause drug lobbiest have access to CONGRESS and made sure that THE NO-PROFIT SOLUTIONS(IE LIKE BENZO’S) are not readily available. Linda Channell, (740) 548-6874, 88 Ravine Rd, Powell, OH 43065 Let me make THE NEWCOMERS TO MENTAL ILLNESS aware that HYPE ABOUT THE LATEST ANTIDEPRESSANT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WILL BE MADE ON THE DRUG, and the only time you will hear about THE NEGATIVES about that drug will be when it comes off-patent. Now that we have generic prozac, we will hear more about side effects like NO LIBIDO, WEIGHT GAIN, SUICIDE, AND OTHER  EFEECTS.  Of course, as long as Paxil and Zoloft have no generics, MEDIA HYPE will be still muted, but give it time.  Just as all the SSRI’s go generic, we will hear about ALL THE NEGATIVES and out will come the new batch of 8 TO 12 WEEK STUDIED ANTIDEPRESSANTS to start the new profit cycle.  People with mental illness are just pawns, half ass useless meds are approved based on 8 week studies, NO REASON FOR A LONG TERM STUDY, we really don’t want to KNOW THE TRUTH, and as soon as the generics start rolling out, OUT COMES THE DIRTY LAUNDRY, not to HELP US, NO, ONLY SO THAT WE GO ON THE LATEST $5 PILL THAT HAS A 80% SUCCESS RATE AND EVEN LESS SIDE EFFECTS.  Hell as long as everyone is making money, who cares about THE CRAZIES that take the product, we just need them alive and taking their meds.  Now I forget, was I taking about the cigarette industry or drug companies, HELL WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.  This of course is just the opinion of a mentally ill patient with 15 years of experience popping pills, all of which have a 70% effective rate, but I guess I am the exception, "ALIVE" AND NOT SUICIDAL, AND NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. White Knight

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry dude, I tend to agree on the side effects of Xanax..I actually was on Xanax for almost 3 yrs, AND (forgive me) was working as a P.medic at the same time…I was a walking zombie and my partners had to cover my azz more than once cuz I was falling asleep everywhere..I couldnt think straight…I couldnt DRIVE at all, and put my car in the ditch at least once…I was trying to attend college but my grades dropped like a bomb..I felt like I was in another world (I was taking this for panic attacks)…then finally, one day, I was getting into the ambulance and fell out the back door while closing it…that was enuff..withdrawal was HEAVENLY..*I love to puke, since IM also bulimic so this was right up my alley…sigghh…the dry heaves was an added bonus since I also like to punish myself..the headaches werent so cool thooo…any other questions about this lovely wonder drug?  Paxil: I just took this one 2 yrs ago for depression..was on it for about 9 mos….It made me nauseous and my stomach hurt all the time..I had headaches and felt like I had a cold all the time (stuffy head feeling)..withdrawal was not as bad as with some others, but there still was the nauseau/vomiting thing etc..so it felt just like I was still taking it till it was out of my system…blah…~Ima

The worst thing about it, in my experience is the panic attacks that arose from reaching tolerance level.  After many years, maybe 7 or 10, I started getting severe panic attacks every day; it was a nightmare.  I got out of it myself by searching the net and suspecting that indeed this was addiction.  But my doctor did not know this I don’t think — I was helped and contratulated to get off altogether.  I believe that the longer term benzos are different in this respect – perhaps requiring much longer time to reach tolerance or habituation of the nervous system. I no longer have panic attacks – they destroyed my life and my career during my 30s and 40s – I’m wondering what’s next with the rest of my meds. Squiggles

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the only thing that helped me was the book traveling light.I recommend it to anyone.its by Max Lucado.

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the only thing that helped me was the book traveling light.I recommend it to anyone.its by Max Lucado.

Dawn, No offense but just because the medical establishment hasn’t got it right on psychopharmacology, doesn’t mean that Christianity does.  If it helped you that’s good, but spirituality is one thing and medicine another. Squiggles

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Squiggles, I was not telling anyone that they had to go off their medication,I was just letting everyone know that I like that book and I want everyone to know that it was good.it had nothing to do with medication,because no matter how much I believe in god as my savior,I will always be mentally ill.I am sorry if you thought I was attacking you in anyway.

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I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

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I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

You should have a "post new message" or "new message" command around somewhere, use that instead of replying to someone else’s post. If you reply it will appear linked to the post to which you replied, even if you change the subject line. Can’t be more specific without knowing what program you’re using. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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"Dawn" wrote I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

Do you have a "New Post" button? Oh, I see Fiona has already enswered this. Well, good luck, Dawn. Hugs, TK

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Squiggles, I was not telling anyone that they had to go off their medication,I was just letting everyone know that I like that book and I want everyone to know that it was good.it had nothing to do with medication,because no matter how much I believe in god as my savior,I will always be mentally ill.I am sorry if you thought I was attacking you in anyway.

OK – sorry, I suppose I have become hypervigilant to propaganda on the net.  I apologize. Squiggles

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Benzodiazepines cause cognitive decline and depression.

All of them?  Gasp — I have to take clonazepam for bipolar disorder, and some kids have to take 10 times my dose for epilepsy.  Are you sure? Squiggles

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You have done it! Victoria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: Road Runner Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic,alt.support.personality,alt.support.depression .me dication I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

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    I have the impression that convulsions cause brain damage too. Goblin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Benzodiazepines cause cognitive decline and depression. All of them?  Gasp — I have to take clonazepam for bipolar disorder, and some kids have to take 10 times my dose for epilepsy.  Are you sure? Squiggles Cognitive Impairment and Long-Term Damage The many papers published in the 1960s and early to mid 1970s on this subject were largely single dose therapeutic dose studies or low-dose studies for periods of a few weeks. They showed a range of deficits in cognitive function, psychomotor performance and short-term memory problems with no development of tolerance. It was not until the late 1970s and early 1980s (when therapeutic dose dependency was belatedly accepted), that cognitive function and other tests on long-term benzodiazepine users (up to 10 years) were studied both during use and in acute withdrawals. From the mid 1980s to mid 1990s there was an increasing number of studies looking at damage after long-term use and at follow-up periods after discontinuation of up to six years. Several of these studies involve CT scans of the brain looking for structural changes. Summary Benzodiazepines produce impairment of cognitive functioning and psychomotor performance e.g. reaction time, vigilance, arousal, judgement, reasoning, speed and accuracy of information processing, visual spatial ability, co-ordination, short-term and post drug long-term memory, ‘blackouts’ and learned tasks. These effects are independent of abuse, dependency, non-dependency, normal, healthy, young or old subjects. Impairment increases with chronic use. Development of tolerance to these effects is very slow. CT brain scans show a difference in ventricular cerebral spinal fluid space dimensions between benzodiazepine users and non-users, and also between high and low benzodiazepine users. The functional brain damage causes increased morbidity, increased mortality and social deterioration. Subjects are generally not aware of their reduced capacity or the fact that they are not functioning well in every day life. In general much of the impairment is slowly reversible. Some aspects show improvement after six years, some are semi-permanent or permanent. http://www.benzo.org.uk/vot4.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Benzodiazepines cause cognitive decline and depression. All of them?  Gasp — I have to take clonazepam for bipolar disorder, and some kids have to take 10 times my dose for epilepsy.  Are you sure? Squiggles Cognitive Impairment and Long-Term Damage The many papers published in the 1960s and early to mid 1970s on this subject were largely single dose therapeutic dose studies or low-dose studies for periods of a few weeks. They showed a range of deficits in cognitive function, psychomotor performance and short-term memory problems with no development of tolerance. It was not until the late 1970s and early 1980s (when therapeutic dose dependency was belatedly accepted), that cognitive function and other tests on long-term benzodiazepine users (up to 10 years) were studied both during use and in acute withdrawals. From the mid 1980s to mid 1990s there was an increasing number of studies looking at damage after long-term use and at follow-up periods after discontinuation of up to six years. Several of these studies involve CT scans of the brain looking for structural changes. Summary Benzodiazepines produce impairment of cognitive functioning and psychomotor performance e.g. reaction time, vigilance, arousal, judgement, reasoning, speed and accuracy of information processing, visual spatial ability, co-ordination, short-term and post drug long-term memory, ‘blackouts’ and learned tasks. These effects are independent of abuse, dependency, non-dependency, normal, healthy, young or old subjects. Impairment increases with chronic use. Development of tolerance to these effects is very slow. CT brain scans show a difference in ventricular cerebral spinal fluid space dimensions between benzodiazepine users and non-users, and also between high and low benzodiazepine users. The functional brain damage causes increased morbidity, increased mortality and social deterioration. Subjects are generally not aware of their reduced capacity or the fact that they are not functioning well in every day life. In general much of the impairment is slowly reversible. Some aspects show improvement after six years, some are semi-permanent or permanent. http://www.benzo.org.uk/vot4.htm

Right, Am I speaking with Ray or Rand or possible David Woolfe’s ghost? Squiggles

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You have done it!

Depends on how the newsreader threads it. In Netscape this shows up with the new subject line but still under the old thread, so I don’t see the new subject line unless I open the old thread for it. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

You just title it and post it usnig new message.I have a AC and have the option of posting to the ngs. — LyndaNP Reality isn’t the way you wish things to be, nor the way they appear to be, but the way they actually are. – Robert J. Ringer

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Dawn I was wondering exactly who you are posting to. Cause right now you are posting to 5 different groups. ~Michele

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thanks Michelle I was a little confused.I am new to this.I just started.thanks

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    I have the impression that convulsions cause brain damage too. Goblin

correct. very seriously, if left untreated and they are severe convulsions… — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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Now I’m confused.  (?) ~Michele

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Dawn I was wondering exactly who you are posting to. Cause right now you are posting to 5 different groups. ~Michele

thats probably cos she hit reply to one of those messages that was crossposted to all and sundry… its not her fault. m — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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I didn’t mean for it to sound mean. I really wanted to know who she was posting to. I’m confused.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dawn I was wondering exactly who you are posting to. Cause right now you are posting to 5 different groups. ~Michele thats probably cos she hit reply to one of those messages that was crossposted to all and sundry… its not her fault. m — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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I didn’t mean for it to sound mean. I really wanted to know who she was posting to. I’m confused.

its okay. which group are you on? i think this was intended for alt.support.depression.manic m — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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Good author—-writes good books!! cal

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Gee, I have been using Klonopin off and on now for around..oh..10 yrs now..in doses from .5 mg to 5mgs daily…..and my brain isnt fried….(half-baked but not fried)…in fact, I had to have an IQ test for the state to see if I was qualified for rehab (and not retarded) last year and had a very hefty score above 140…*but I didnt get to join rehab cuz they tells me I aint KURED enuff to join the work force in doing the menial minimum wage training of cleaning dirty lunch trays-which is what they wanted to ‘train’ me to do-so I could RE-enter society…(I was a paramedic for 16 yrs prior, so cleaning lunch trays was considered something I would be qualified to do thru rehab).. Good thing Ive been taking them tranks tho..keeps my mind clean and ..um, um..what was I saying? Was I saying something?  What the hell am I doing here anyway? Just forget it..I dont even know who you are..stop stealing my jacks or IM gonna tell.. ~Ima – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I have the impression that convulsions cause brain damage too. Goblin correct. very seriously, if left untreated and they are severe convulsions… — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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     i haven’t read this book yet—-what is the "theme"?      i have read some of his other books—he is great.      If this helped you, don’t let ANYONE discourage you!! cal

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EXACTELY. What about the damage these other meds cause like Li and anti psychotics? We could go on and on. Or even the progressive nature of BP/ and connvulsions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have the impression that convulsions cause brain damage too. Goblin

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I didn’t mean for it to sound mean. I really wanted to know who she was posting to. I’m confused.

its okay. which group are you on? i think this was intended for alt.support.depression.manic m — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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Gee, I have been using Klonopin off and on now for around..oh..10 yrs now..in doses from .5 mg to 5mgs daily…..and my brain isnt fried….(half-baked but not fried)…in fact, I had to have an IQ test for the state to see if I was qualified for rehab (and not retarded) last year and had a very hefty score above 140…*but I didnt get to join rehab cuz they tells me I aint KURED enuff to join the work force in doing the menial minimum wage training of cleaning dirty lunch trays-which is what they wanted to ‘train’ me to do-so I could RE-enter society…(I was a paramedic for 16 yrs prior, so cleaning lunch trays was considered something I would be qualified to do thru rehab).. Good thing Ive been taking them tranks tho..keeps my mind clean and ..um, um..what was I saying? Was I saying something?  What the hell am I doing here anyway? Just forget it..I dont even know who you are..stop stealing my jacks or IM gonna tell.. ~Ima – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I have the impression that convulsions cause brain damage too. Goblin correct. very seriously, if left untreated and they are severe convulsions… — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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thanks Michelle I was a little confused.I am new to this.I just started.thanks

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    I have the impression that convulsions cause brain damage too. Goblin

correct. very seriously, if left untreated and they are severe convulsions… — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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Now I’m confused.  (?) ~Michele

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Dawn I was wondering exactly who you are posting to. Cause right now you are posting to 5 different groups. ~Michele

thats probably cos she hit reply to one of those messages that was crossposted to all and sundry… its not her fault. m — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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I didn’t mean for it to sound mean. I really wanted to know who she was posting to. I’m confused.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dawn I was wondering exactly who you are posting to. Cause right now you are posting to 5 different groups. ~Michele thats probably cos she hit reply to one of those messages that was crossposted to all and sundry… its not her fault. m — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Benzodiazepines cause cognitive decline and depression. All of them?  Gasp — I have to take clonazepam for bipolar disorder, and some kids have to take 10 times my dose for epilepsy.  Are you sure? Squiggles Cognitive Impairment and Long-Term Damage The many papers published in the 1960s and early to mid 1970s on this subject were largely single dose therapeutic dose studies or low-dose studies for periods of a few weeks. They showed a range of deficits in cognitive function, psychomotor performance and short-term memory problems with no development of tolerance. It was not until the late 1970s and early 1980s (when therapeutic dose dependency was belatedly accepted), that cognitive function and other tests on long-term benzodiazepine users (up to 10 years) were studied both during use and in acute withdrawals. From the mid 1980s to mid 1990s there was an increasing number of studies looking at damage after long-term use and at follow-up periods after discontinuation of up to six years. Several of these studies involve CT scans of the brain looking for structural changes. Summary Benzodiazepines produce impairment of cognitive functioning and psychomotor performance e.g. reaction time, vigilance, arousal, judgement, reasoning, speed and accuracy of information processing, visual spatial ability, co-ordination, short-term and post drug long-term memory, ‘blackouts’ and learned tasks. These effects are independent of abuse, dependency, non-dependency, normal, healthy, young or old subjects. Impairment increases with chronic use. Development of tolerance to these effects is very slow. CT brain scans show a difference in ventricular cerebral spinal fluid space dimensions between benzodiazepine users and non-users, and also between high and low benzodiazepine users. The functional brain damage causes increased morbidity, increased mortality and social deterioration. Subjects are generally not aware of their reduced capacity or the fact that they are not functioning well in every day life. In general much of the impairment is slowly reversible. Some aspects show improvement after six years, some are semi-permanent or permanent. http://www.benzo.org.uk/vot4.htm

Right, Am I speaking with Ray or Rand or possible David Woolfe’s ghost? Squiggles

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I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

hey, dont worry…. what system are you using? if you’re on Outlook or Outlook Express, you should have a button at the top marked New Message… hit that instead of hitting reply…. its the same in netscape (which is what im using )…. m — ~~~~~<:~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged…   that’s when you see sparks   you ask me where the hell i’m going   at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead: the tourist

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I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

You just title it and post it usnig new message.I have a AC and have the option of posting to the ngs. — LyndaNP Reality isn’t the way you wish things to be, nor the way they appear to be, but the way they actually are. – Robert J. Ringer

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Dawn I was wondering exactly who you are posting to. Cause right now you are posting to 5 different groups. ~Michele

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You have done it!

Depends on how the newsreader threads it. In Netscape this shows up with the new subject line but still under the old thread, so I don’t see the new subject line unless I open the old thread for it. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry dude, I tend to agree on the side effects of Xanax..I actually was on Xanax for almost 3 yrs, AND (forgive me) was working as a P.medic at the same time…I was a walking zombie and my partners had to cover my azz more than once cuz I was falling asleep everywhere..I couldnt think straight…I couldnt DRIVE at all, and put my car in the ditch at least once…I was trying to attend college but my grades dropped like a bomb..I felt like I was in another world (I was taking this for panic attacks)…then finally, one day, I was getting into the ambulance and fell out the back door while closing it…that was enuff..withdrawal was HEAVENLY..*I love to puke, since IM also bulimic so this was right up my alley…sigghh…the dry heaves was an added bonus since I also like to punish myself..the headaches werent so cool thooo…any other questions about this lovely wonder drug?  Paxil: I just took this one 2 yrs ago for depression..was on it for about 9 mos….It made me nauseous and my stomach hurt all the time..I had headaches and felt like I had a cold all the time (stuffy head feeling)..withdrawal was not as bad as with some others, but there still was the nauseau/vomiting thing etc..so it felt just like I was still taking it till it was out of my system…blah…~Ima

The worst thing about it, in my experience is the panic attacks that arose from reaching tolerance level.  After many years, maybe 7 or 10, I started getting severe panic attacks every day; it was a nightmare.  I got out of it myself by searching the net and suspecting that indeed this was addiction.  But my doctor did not know this I don’t think — I was helped and contratulated to get off altogether.  I believe that the longer term benzos are different in this respect – perhaps requiring much longer time to reach tolerance or habituation of the nervous system. I no longer have panic attacks – they destroyed my life and my career during my 30s and 40s – I’m wondering what’s next with the rest of my meds. Squiggles

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the only thing that helped me was the book traveling light.I recommend it to anyone.its by Max Lucado.

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the only thing that helped me was the book traveling light.I recommend it to anyone.its by Max Lucado.

Dawn, No offense but just because the medical establishment hasn’t got it right on psychopharmacology, doesn’t mean that Christianity does.  If it helped you that’s good, but spirituality is one thing and medicine another. Squiggles

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Squiggles, I was not telling anyone that they had to go off their medication,I was just letting everyone know that I like that book and I want everyone to know that it was good.it had nothing to do with medication,because no matter how much I believe in god as my savior,I will always be mentally ill.I am sorry if you thought I was attacking you in anyway.

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I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

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I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

You should have a "post new message" or "new message" command around somewhere, use that instead of replying to someone else’s post. If you reply it will appear linked to the post to which you replied, even if you change the subject line. Can’t be more specific without knowing what program you’re using. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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"Dawn" wrote I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

Do you have a "New Post" button? Oh, I see Fiona has already enswered this. Well, good luck, Dawn. Hugs, TK

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Squiggles, I was not telling anyone that they had to go off their medication,I was just letting everyone know that I like that book and I want everyone to know that it was good.it had nothing to do with medication,because no matter how much I believe in god as my savior,I will always be mentally ill.I am sorry if you thought I was attacking you in anyway.

OK – sorry, I suppose I have become hypervigilant to propaganda on the net.  I apologize. Squiggles

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Benzodiazepines cause cognitive decline and depression.

All of them?  Gasp — I have to take clonazepam for bipolar disorder, and some kids have to take 10 times my dose for epilepsy.  Are you sure? Squiggles

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You have done it! Victoria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: Road Runner Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic,alt.support.personality,alt.support.depression .me dication I want to know how to make or create a message so it doesn’t appear under someone else’s topic?that’s why squiggles got angry.

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    I have the impression that convulsions cause brain damage too. Goblin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Benzodiazepines cause cognitive decline and depression. All of them?  Gasp — I have to take clonazepam for bipolar disorder, and some kids have to take 10 times my dose for epilepsy.  Are you sure? Squiggles Cognitive Impairment and Long-Term Damage The many papers published in the 1960s and early to mid 1970s on this subject were largely single dose therapeutic dose studies or low-dose studies for periods of a few weeks. They showed a range of deficits in cognitive function, psychomotor performance and short-term memory problems with no development of tolerance. It was not until the late 1970s and early 1980s (when therapeutic dose dependency was belatedly accepted), that cognitive function and other tests on long-term benzodiazepine users (up to 10 years) were studied both during use and in acute withdrawals. From the mid 1980s to mid 1990s there was an increasing number of studies looking at damage after long-term use and at follow-up periods after discontinuation of up to six years. Several of these studies involve CT scans of the brain looking for structural changes. Summary Benzodiazepines produce impairment of cognitive functioning and psychomotor performance e.g. reaction time, vigilance, arousal, judgement, reasoning, speed and accuracy of information processing, visual spatial ability, co-ordination, short-term and post drug long-term memory, ‘blackouts’ and learned tasks. These effects are independent of abuse, dependency, non-dependency, normal, healthy, young or old subjects. Impairment increases with chronic use. Development of tolerance to these effects is very slow. CT brain scans show a difference in ventricular cerebral spinal fluid space dimensions between benzodiazepine users and non-users, and also between high and low benzodiazepine users. The functional brain damage causes increased morbidity, increased mortality and social deterioration. Subjects are generally not aware of their reduced capacity or the fact that they are not functioning well in every day life. In general much of the impairment is slowly reversible. Some aspects show improvement after six years, some are semi-permanent or permanent. http://www.benzo.org.uk/vot4.htm

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Sorry dude, I tend to agree on the side effects of Xanax..I actually was on Xanax for almost 3 yrs, AND (forgive me) was working as a P.medic at the same time…I was a walking zombie and my partners had to cover my azz more than once cuz I was falling asleep everywhere..I couldnt think straight…I couldnt DRIVE at all, and put my car in the ditch at least once…I was trying to attend college but my grades dropped like a bomb..I felt like I was in another world (I was taking this for panic attacks)…then finally, one day, I was getting into the ambulance and fell out the back door while closing it…that was enuff..withdrawal was HEAVENLY..*I love to puke, since IM also bulimic so this was right up my alley…sigghh…the dry heaves was an added bonus since I also like to punish myself..the headaches werent so cool thooo…any other questions about this lovely wonder drug?  Paxil: I just took this one 2 yrs ago for depression..was on it for about 9 mos….It made me nauseous and my stomach hurt all the time..I had headaches and felt like I had a cold all the time (stuffy head feeling)..withdrawal was not as bad as with some others, but there still was the nauseau/vomiting thing etc..so it felt just like I was still taking it till it was out of my system…blah…~Ima – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People with biplar disorder should not take Paxil or any other anti depressant long term. I am sick and tired about all these posts trying to scare people away from trying xanax.  As someone who has suffered from bipolar disorder(type 2) for 15 years, tried all the antidepressants, now on a cocktail of meds, including xanax and paxil, my experience is that PAXIL has many more adverse effects versus the marginal benefit of some anxiety relief.  I took Paxil for 5 months and was not taking any xanax, and I got some anticapation anxiety relief at the cost of NO LIBIDO, sleeping 12 hours a day, having no motivation, just didn’t give a shit, already gained 10 pounds in 5 months with the carbo craving…..And people want to talk about xanax dependency and problems with withdrawl.  I am not trying to minimize people’s experience or their pain, but with anxiety or other mental health issues, the word is YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY(YMMY).  I am a college graduate in electrical engineering from a top 5 engineering college, and now have not worked for over two years mostly because of anxiety and some depression yearly.  After working for 11 years struggling with depression and anxiety, I now have a hard time stepping outside my home.  I have considered suicide 1000’s of times over the last 15 years, actually researched and made the plans and was about to end it, and then I started on the Paxil…….Yeah, my suicidal obsessions went away, but now I was content to veg out all day watching TY or on the Net, my desire to GET A JOB disappeared.  Go research web sites and you will see how many people have problems with SSRI’s, yeah they are alive and taking that $3 pill two times a day or many $3 pills for me, but now I am NUMB and just there.  Prior to Paxil I use to be a emotional person, felt the pain of others and would cry when touched by something, but now I am a Paxil-zombie, yeah some anxiety relief but a LOT OF ME is also gone.  So all those xanax phobics, please allow people to fail with their options without scaring them.  What are people’s choices when it comes to anxiety or panic, yes paxil, yes benzo’s, yes MAIO’s, yes CBT(Cognitive Behavior Therapy).  My experience is PAXIL SUCKS and THE WITHDRAWAL IS HORRIBLE BASED ON MUCH FEEDBACK I HAVE READ ON THE NET, MAIO’S like parnate have some studies that back them up but the food restrictions are VERY DIFFICULT(no cheese, wine, beer, chocolate, many OTC meds, etc.), CBT might work for some but the feedback I have heard is that CBT plus meds work the best and I HAVE DONE THE THERAPY ROUTE and it was a waste of money. As one doctor told me, people who suffer from PANIC and think they are dieing have never been told that "your not going to die, it is all in your head"…Well that was my last session with him.  Just to repeat, this is MY EXPERIENCE and YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY.  Now I could continue to HIBERNATE IN MY HOUSE, NOT WORK, RUN OUT OF MONEY AND THEN BE HOMELESS…..Or I can be proactive and continue to experiment and try to find some solution that will allow me to work and have a life.  I have taken xanax in the past, just started it one month ago, still taking a low dose of paxil, and I am MUCH MUCH BETTER at dealing with day to day life, interacting with people, giving my shit done, etc. Yeah, maybe I will be taking xanax for the rest of my life but the only side effect I have had is some sleepiness.  And to those who talk about TOLERANCE BUILDUP, that is a CROCK, yes you might have to increase your xanax from .25mg 3 times a day to .50mg 3 times a day, there are people who have taken xanax for 5 to 15 years and most leveled out after 1 year at a dose and have no desire to increase. People need to do some research and FIND OUT THE REAL TRUTH, not what BIG PHARMA and BIG BUSINESS OWNED MEDIA OUTLETS want us to believe. Not to be cynical, but $3 no generic available paxil is much better for DRUG COMPANIES, then CHEAP GENERIC XANAX which might be more effective with less side-effects.  Why are benzo’s so hard to get, cause drug lobbiest have access to CONGRESS and made sure that THE NO-PROFIT SOLUTIONS(IE LIKE BENZO’S) are not readily available. Linda Channell, (740) 548-6874, 88 Ravine Rd, Powell, OH 43065 Let me make THE NEWCOMERS TO MENTAL ILLNESS aware that HYPE ABOUT THE LATEST ANTIDEPRESSANT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WILL BE MADE ON THE DRUG, and the only time you will hear about THE NEGATIVES about that drug will be when it comes off-patent. Now that we have generic prozac, we will hear more about side effects like NO LIBIDO, WEIGHT GAIN, SUICIDE, AND OTHER  EFEECTS.  Of course, as long as Paxil and Zoloft have no generics, MEDIA HYPE will be still muted, but give it time.  Just as all the SSRI’s go generic, we will hear about ALL THE NEGATIVES and out will come the new batch of 8 TO 12 WEEK STUDIED ANTIDEPRESSANTS to start the new profit cycle.  People with mental illness are just pawns, half ass useless meds are approved based on 8 week studies, NO REASON FOR A LONG TERM STUDY, we really don’t want to KNOW THE TRUTH, and as soon as the generics start rolling out, OUT COMES THE DIRTY LAUNDRY, not to HELP US, NO, ONLY SO THAT WE GO ON THE LATEST $5 PILL THAT HAS A 80% SUCCESS RATE AND EVEN LESS SIDE EFFECTS.  Hell as long as everyone is making money, who cares about THE CRAZIES that take the product, we just need them alive and taking their meds.  Now I forget, was I taking about the cigarette industry or drug companies, HELL WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.  This of course is just the opinion of a mentally ill patient with 15 years of experience popping pills, all of which have a 70% effective rate, but I guess I am the exception, "ALIVE" AND NOT SUICIDAL, AND NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. White Knight

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: You could be having an allergic reaction to the medication.  This is : something you should report to both your doctor and pharmacist (IMO a : pharmacist tends to do a better job of keeping track of the : medications you shouldn’t take than a doctor does). : There should be no direct problem from abruptly stopping Accolate, : however Rule #2 for asthmatics is: Never stop taking a medication : without checking with a doctor (unless this is covered by an ‘Asthma : Action Plan’). Except in this case, there is the potential for not stopping to be life-threatening.  I believe that the rule is if you get an allergic reaction to some medication, especially things like antibiotics, that you stop the medication first and find a doctor next, the speed depending on how serious the reaction is. : You should try to find a walk-in clinic in your area and consult with : a doctor. I agree entirely, except that I think that it would be a good idea to stop taking the medication if you suspect that it is causing an allergic reaction, and then get your hands on a doctor ASAP. Cheers, Kin Hoong

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If you break out in an itchy blotchy rash after each dose then you should clearly stop the drug. There is no danger inherent to stopping Accolate abruptly other than worsening asthma. If you don’t feel that you were responding tot he Accolate than this should not be a problem. Keep taking the Zyrtec, it may be the only thing stopping a more severe reaction. If your asthma worsens contact your doctor immediately. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, I need some information.  Both my pharmacist and physician are unavailable for another two weeks [the health center is closed for the XMas holidays]. I have been taking Accolate for just over 2 weeks now; to be honest, I haven’t noticed a significant change in my asthma that can definitely be attributed to the Accolate as opposed to just getting over the stupid virus that I have had; though being sick means judging how well the underlying asthma *itself* is doing has been a challenge [respiratory infections are an almost guaranteed flare-er of my asthma]. HOWEVER, that is not what concerns me.  Last night for the third time or so that I have taken my dose I have broken out in a blotch rash/hives and been *severely* itchy, especiall on my legs.  Last night I finally clued into the fact that I think the Accolate is what is causing it — it started within a half hour of taking it, and the only thing I had was it and some water; nothing else that I can think of could possible have triggered the reaction.  I could have handled the headache that many people get; this kind of itchiness is intolerable. So, I haven’t taken my dose this morning [I am pretending I forgot ], and I want to stop taking it.  But I need to know if it is safe to stop taking it abruptly or not.  So: IS IT SAFE??  I’ve been on 20mg twice a day since the 11th of December, and have rarely forgotten to take it. FWIW, I am also on Zyrtec [aka Reactine in Canada; and have been for about 5 years] 10mg/d, Pulmicort Turbuhaler 1600mcg/d [haven't come off the increased dose from being sick yet; have been on this dose basically since the week before the US Thanksgiving], and Bricanyl as required [in the last few days, not needed at all].  I have been on deltasone 3X in the last month and a half, most recently a 40mg/d X3d, 20mg/d X3d, 10mg/d X3 days taper regimine [finished under week ago]; I have a burst dose Rx for deltasone [40mg/d X 3 d] if I need to use it, which I am allowed to use. So, folks, is it safe to come off of the Accolate abruptly, and if so/not, what should I look for if anything if I do?  I am assuming my asthma may worsen some, but I think I can manage that ok [I am allowed to flex my medications to a certain degree]. Thanks for your help!! SW.

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HOWEVER, that is not what concerns me.  Last night for the third time or so that I have taken my dose I have broken out in a blotch rash/hives and been *severely* itchy, especiall on my legs.  Last night I finally clued into the fact that I think the Accolate is what is causing it — it started within a half hour of taking it, and the only thing I had was it and some water; nothing else that I can think of could possible have triggered the reaction.  I could have handled the headache that many people get; this kind of itchiness is intolerable.

You could be having an allergic reaction to the medication.  This is something you should report to both your doctor and pharmacist (IMO a pharmacist tends to do a better job of keeping track of the medications you shouldn’t take than a doctor does). There should be no direct problem from abruptly stopping Accolate, however Rule #2 for asthmatics is: Never stop taking a medication without checking with a doctor (unless this is covered by an ‘Asthma Action Plan’). You should try to find a walk-in clinic in your area and consult with a doctor.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, I need some information.  Both my pharmacist and physician are unavailable for another two weeks [the health center is closed for the XMas holidays]. I have been taking Accolate for just over 2 weeks now; to be honest, I haven’t noticed a significant change in my asthma that can definitely be attributed to the Accolate as opposed to just getting over the stupid virus that I have had; though being sick means judging how well the underlying asthma *itself* is doing has been a challenge [respiratory infections are an almost guaranteed flare-er of my asthma]. HOWEVER, that is not what concerns me.  Last night for the third time or so that I have taken my dose I have broken out in a blotch rash/hives and been *severely* itchy, especiall on my legs.  Last night I finally clued into the fact that I think the Accolate is what is causing it — it started within a half hour of taking it, and the only thing I had was it and some water; nothing else that I can think of could possible have triggered the reaction.  I could have handled the headache that many people get; this kind of itchiness is intolerable. So, I haven’t taken my dose this morning [I am pretending I forgot ], and I want to stop taking it.  But I need to know if it is safe to stop taking it abruptly or not.  So: IS IT SAFE??  I’ve been on 20mg twice a day since the 11th of December, and have rarely forgotten to take it. FWIW, I am also on Zyrtec [aka Reactine in Canada; and have been for about 5 years] 10mg/d, Pulmicort Turbuhaler 1600mcg/d [haven't come off the increased dose from being sick yet; have been on this dose basically since the week before the US Thanksgiving], and Bricanyl as required [in the last few days, not needed at all].  I have been on deltasone 3X in the last month and a half, most recently a 40mg/d X3d, 20mg/d X3d, 10mg/d X3 days taper regimine [finished under week ago]; I have a burst dose Rx for deltasone [40mg/d X 3 d] if I need to use it, which I am allowed to use. So, folks, is it safe to come off of the Accolate abruptly, and if so/not, what should I look for if anything if I do?  I am assuming my asthma may worsen some, but I think I can manage that ok [I am allowed to flex my medications to a certain degree]. SW.

First, I’m not a doctor, but a well informed asthmatic taking Singulair (sometimes), inhaled steroids (just switching from Vanceril DS to Pulmicort; etc. Antileukotrienes like Accolate and Singulair don’t help all asthmatics, maybe half or 2/3. Your main preventor drug is your inhaled steroids, Pulmicort; and 1600ug is a very High Dose. My advice would be to try stopping Accolate for a while; any drug that can cause an allergic reaction like you described could be dangerous; and if it doesn’t help why take it.[The nice thing about asthma drugs is you can tell whether or not they are working] You may want to try Accolate again after your exacerbation is under control; or try the better drug Singulair. Here’s the Prescribing Info on Accolate: http://www.accolateinfo.com/ http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/zafirlukast.htm zafirlukast Excerpt: "Contraindications: Zafirlukast is contraindicated in patients who are hypersensitive  to zafirlukast or any of its inactive ingredients." My personal experience with a similar drug Singulair is initially it increased my personal best peak flow by 10%. Later I noticed I seemed to have signs of fatigue, and it doesn’t seem to help at all during exacerbations. So now I take it about every other day. It seems to work best when my asthma is relatively well controlled. I have recently had to switch to a higher strength steroid inhaler (Pulmicort) I had hoped the antileukotriene would be a steroid sparing drug, but it doesn’t seem to be the case; tho I think it still helps. Ellis

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Folks, I need some information.  Both my pharmacist and physician are unavailable for another two weeks [the health center is closed for the XMas holidays]. I have been taking Accolate for just over 2 weeks now; to be honest, I haven’t noticed a significant change in my asthma that can definitely be attributed to the Accolate as opposed to just getting over the stupid virus that I have had; though being sick means judging how well the underlying asthma *itself* is doing has been a challenge [respiratory infections are an almost guaranteed flare-er of my asthma]. HOWEVER, that is not what concerns me.  Last night for the third time or so that I have taken my dose I have broken out in a blotch rash/hives and been *severely* itchy, especiall on my legs.  Last night I finally clued into the fact that I think the Accolate is what is causing it — it started within a half hour of taking it, and the only thing I had was it and some water; nothing else that I can think of could possible have triggered the reaction.  I could have handled the headache that many people get; this kind of itchiness is intolerable. So, I haven’t taken my dose this morning [I am pretending I forgot ], and I want to stop taking it.  But I need to know if it is safe to stop taking it abruptly or not.  So: IS IT SAFE??  I’ve been on 20mg twice a day since the 11th of December, and have rarely forgotten to take it. FWIW, I am also on Zyrtec [aka Reactine in Canada; and have been for about 5 years] 10mg/d, Pulmicort Turbuhaler 1600mcg/d [haven't come off the increased dose from being sick yet; have been on this dose basically since the week before the US Thanksgiving], and Bricanyl as required [in the last few days, not needed at all].  I have been on deltasone 3X in the last month and a half, most recently a 40mg/d X3d, 20mg/d X3d, 10mg/d X3 days taper regimine [finished under week ago]; I have a burst dose Rx for deltasone [40mg/d X 3 d] if I need to use it, which I am allowed to use. So, folks, is it safe to come off of the Accolate abruptly, and if so/not, what should I look for if anything if I do?  I am assuming my asthma may worsen some, but I think I can manage that ok [I am allowed to flex my medications to a certain degree]. Thanks for your help!! SW.

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I am a 21 year old male suffering from Social Phobia.  I’ve tried drugs in the past, mostly SSRI’s, with no real success.  Some of the drugs I’ve tried I went off immediatly due to sexual side effects, mostly inability to feel pleasure while masturbating. The most recent drug, Zoloft, I went off due to the sexual side effect after 6-8 weeks.  The sexual side effect had occured almost immediatly but I stayed on it for a little while.  After the drug was out of my system I still felt like I wasn’t getting pleasure like I used to.  I also see that I am less interested in masturbating that I used to be. (No sexual partners involved, due to social phobia and all) Can these drugs have permanent effects on a person’s sexuality when you are off them?  The psychiatrist I used to see recommended that I go on the drugs even with the side effect to deal with my social problem.  A this point, I might have to consider it. Sidenote: The drugs I’ve had sexual side effects with are Effexor and Zoloft.

(Sadly), the sexual side effects with Effexor wear off pretty quickly (personally, I’m hoping for an anti depressant that causes me to lose all interested in sex, now that would be something). Without benzos in addition to it, sex drive will go back to normal in say 4 to 6 weeks whereas time to orgasm stays higher but it’s definitely possible after the first few weeks to get there.

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… I am a 21 year old male suffering from Social Phobia.  I’ve tried drugs in the past, mostly SSRI’s, with no real success.  Some of the drugs I’ve tried I went off immediatly due to sexual side effects, mostly inability to feel pleasure while masturbating. The most recent drug, Zoloft, I went off due to the sexual side effect after 6-8 weeks.  The sexual side effect had occured almost immediatly but I stayed on it for a little while.  After the drug was out of my system I still felt like I wasn’t getting pleasure like I used to.  I also see that I am less interested in masturbating that I used to be. (No sexual partners involved, due to social phobia and all) Can these drugs have permanent effects on a person’s sexuality when you are off them?  The psychiatrist I used to see recommended that I go on the drugs even with the side effect to deal with my social problem.  A this point, I might have to consider it. Sidenote: The drugs I’ve had sexual side effects with are Effexor and Zoloft. Any info would be appreciated.

i think it’s unlikely your side effects are permanent, because i experienced them continuously while taking paxil–we’re talking about a period of years–but as soon as i switched to lexapro the side effects were vastly reduced. besides lexapro, the other ssri to consider, as crackwalker pointed out, is luvox. when i decided to switch from paxil at the insistence of my new girlfriend, i told my MD i want to switch to luvox, but he said, oh no, take lexapro, so i did and the results have been excellent, although your mileage may vary. btw, if you’re curious about lexapro vis-a-vis luvox, luvox has been around much longer than lexapro, so presumably it’s not as effective as ssri’s go. lexapro, according to what i read, which might be pharm. co. propaganda, is a modified form of celexa. celexa basically contained two active components, only one of which is the ssri, so they deleted the other component that presumably caused lots of side effects to produce lexapro. good luck.

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I am a 21 year old male suffering from Social Phobia.  I’ve tried drugs in the past, mostly SSRI’s, with no real success.  Some of the drugs I’ve tried I went off immediatly due to sexual side effects, mostly inability to feel pleasure while masturbating. The most recent drug, Zoloft, I went off due to the sexual side effect after 6-8 weeks.  The sexual side effect had occured almost immediatly but I stayed on it for a little while.  After the drug was out of my system I still felt like I wasn’t getting pleasure like I used to.  I also see that I am less interested in masturbating that I used to be. (No sexual partners involved, due to social phobia and all) Can these drugs have permanent effects on a person’s sexuality when you are off them?  The psychiatrist I used to see recommended that I go on the drugs even with the side effect to deal with my social problem.  A this point, I might have to consider it. Sidenote: The drugs I’ve had sexual side effects with are Effexor and Zoloft. Any info would be appreciated.

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Hi I would try a.. Luvox/Fluvoxamine Its the only med in the ssri category  I can’t find anything on sexual dysfunction Crackwalker’ "question" <questionfor2…@yahoo.com

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Celexia, Prozac, Wellbutin, Zoloft, Effexor, which I stopped called turky, a 2 months ago. I’mback on Paxil as the pain clinic said it helps the most with chronic pain… The thing with Paxil, by the third week I am a zombie…. dory

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Paul, I used to take Paxil, now on Effexor XR.  I am currently thinking about switching to another one.  I think I build up a tolerance to them over time.   I have a cousin who seems to have this same problem with tolerance, he can only last about six months on a given antidepressant. Susan E

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On Thu, 03 May 2001 15:53:14 GMT, "Diana Calder" <d.r.calder@home wrote: family.  Anyway! with M.S., the mind says yes and the body says no, or is the other way around! Close.  I believe its "the mind says yes, and the body says f*** off"   Eliz. To paraphrase Oedipus, Hamlet, Lear, and all those guys, "I wish I had known this some time ago." – Corwin, Sign of the Unicorn

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oh please a bit of couth — all your base are belong to us "Michael" <muirh…@island.net

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The description of Effexor’s side effects goes on for two whole *pages* of fine print! Effing brutal, huh?   I’ll pass.

It is an EXCELLENT anti-depressant.   And if I felt I needed it I’d take again in a heartbeat, side effects be damned. But, for me right now, I’m not especially depressed, I’ll take wellbrutrin as a ‘just in case’ pill and to help me quit smoking.  I am mostly stopping it because I was tired of feeling like a sexless lump.  Heheh, now I’m just a frisky tired lump, deeeeeep sigh. ps. I forgot to mention the fun ‘clicking’ sound in your head when you move your eyes.  whoopie! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)

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wrote in message news:3af0ec09.50575026@news.cis.dfn.de… Michael wrote: The description of Effexor’s side effects goes on for two whole *pages* of fine print! Effing brutal, huh?   I’ll pass. It is an EXCELLENT anti-depressant.   And if I felt I needed it I’d take again in a heartbeat, side effects be damned.

Easy there…. I wasn’t dumping on the stuff… just expressing (understandable, by my lights) fright.   It took a long time to convince myself to take Zoloft, whose side-effect list is not much shorter than Effexor’s.   It would doubtless take as long to convince me to take Effexor.

take wellbrutrin as a ‘just in case’ pill and to help me quit smoking.  I am mostly stopping it because I was tired of feeling like a sexless lump.  Heheh, now I’m just a frisky tired lump, deeeeeep sigh.

I had much the same problem while I took that stuff.   Libido *real* good… get-it-uppitiness OK… stamina *nil*.

ps. I forgot to mention the fun ‘clicking’ sound in your head when you move your eyes.  whoopie!

Oh, JOY!   Do you use 3-D specs and Dolby-surround for added effect? —           ((((((((((U)))))))))) Michael <muirh…@island.net

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I have    used ALMOST every drug in the previous 50 posts EXCEPT Effexor…Though I may have had a brief stint with that too….I have been on Zoloft now for awhile….The only thing I can say, is I have to make sure to take it as early as possible or it becomes impossible to..you know…I don’t want to be crass…well I do, but I won’t….You know….My Dr said good, It is probably the most exercise u get…:-) Warm Regards and I hope you are all well, Eric Remember Strawberries, Watermellons, Lollipops, Sunshine and Hugs?

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Parnate (Tranylcypromine)  and   Aurorix I used the Aurorix to have a break from the Parnate but I was on it for too long. It didn’t work as well and I was flat for a few months without realizing that I had pretty serious depression while on an anti depressant. Partly it was what was going on. When looking at the two though, Parnate is a much "dirtier" drug but is said to improve the catecholamines, adrenaline, noradrenaline, dopamine and also serotonin.   (as well as who knows what.)   In the Aurorix information dopamine isn’t mentioned. I wonder if it is *that* which is the really missing ingredient. btw originally it was prescribed for fatigue. At the time I had euphoria rather than depression.  So I wonder about the making of these lists. There is a complication that GPs especially introduce when they prescribed drugs which they know *work* (for some of their patients) for some symptoms. But which aren’t what the authorities or the companies make them for.   eg the new anti epileptic drug which in Australia only people with epilepsy could get as a cheap drug. Others had to pay the full price. (PwMS) keep up the good work Paul,                Linda http://www.ozemail.com.au/~lindafrd/ remove JUNK from address to reply

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Yup, I agree.   I especially hate it when I miss a day, just one day, and I get the withdrawal symptoms, makes you wonder just what’s going on in there eh?  But did you know that MS affects the seratonin levels?  For me that little tidbit, coupled with my history of depression, and the fact that this disease would make anyone depressed, makes me loathe to stop taking anti-depressants. More of a preventative measure.  I know all too well how easily depression can sneak up on you. On Thu, 03 May 2001 16:45:28 GMT, "Diana Calder" <d.r.calder@home

wrote: I want to get off the dam things because of their horrible addictiveness.  I also feel that my body is getting used to them and are finding them not as effective as in the past. They say don’t try to fix whats not broken, but I do think we build up a tolerance to drugs after awhile.

Eliz. _____ There is an angel inside of me whom I am constantly shocking.

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I want to get off the dam things because of their horrible addictiveness.  I also feel that my body is getting used to them and are finding them not as effective as in the past.  They say don’t try to fix whats not broken, but I do think we build up a tolerance to drugs after awhile. <el…@notathome.com

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> >news:3af0e13e.47811940@news.cis.dfn.de… > >> Diana Calder wrote: > >> >Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find > >> >great, but hard to wean off of. > >> I too am trying to get off effexor.  I am taking > wellbutrin > >> as well.  Have you tried taking the tablet form of > effexor? > >> You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces > to > >> get off it.  Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you > >> know! > >> Eliz. > >> _____ > >> As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. > >> (WKRP in Cincinnati) > Eliz. > To paraphrase Oedipus, Hamlet, Lear, and all those guys, "I wish I > had known this some time ago." – Corwin, Sign of the Unicorn

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High-dose ejaculation is undesirable? Is that because *both* people would have to sleep in the wet spot? <ducking

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Eek!  The  most I ever took was 75 mg/day!  I’ve always been really sensitve to anti-depressants.  After TWO weeks I managed to get down to 37.5, now I’m phasing down from that. 4-5 days!?!    Holy crap batman.  That’s way too fast. Be careful of the tablets – they really burn your guts if you don’t take with a FULL meal. Why did you want to stop taking it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Diane Calder wrote:

Hi Eliz! The doctor tried to wean me off 150 mgs in November over a 4 0r 5 day period.  I then was to switch to wellbutrin. Well! besides feeling extremely nauseated, and a horrible sweeping sound in my head, I fell into a major depressive episode.  I ended up in the hospital for two weeks with my blood pressure all askew. They put me back on Effexor and now have increased the dose up to 225 mgs. I didn’t know they had the tablet form.  How are you doing weaning off Effexor!  Are you being succesful?  Good luck! Diana <el…@notathome.com wrote in message news:3af0e13e.47811940@news.cis.dfn.de… Diana Calder wrote: Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of. I too am trying to get off effexor.  I am taking

wellbutrin

as well.  Have you tried taking the tablet form of

effexor?

You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces

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get off it.  Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)

Eliz. To paraphrase Oedipus, Hamlet, Lear, and all those guys, "I wish I had known this some time ago." – Corwin, Sign of the Unicorn

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Eliz! You explained coming off Effexor to a tee!  As far as the libido side effects, Effexor has been the only antidepresant that has not interfered with that subject for myself.  All the others have, especially the prozac family.  Anyway! with M.S., the mind says yes and the body says no, or is the other way around! Diana <el…@notathome.com

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Michael  wrote: I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft. The word ‘discombobulated’ really sums it up.  Turn your head too fast and it feels like your brain has become unhinged.  Stir in a hefty of dose of bed-spin feeling.  I imagine its what a mild concussion would feel like, or a good whollop to the noggin.  effing brutal.  Ten times worse than the symptoms you get when you start taking it. Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)

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On Thu, 03 May 2001 15:53:14 GMT, "Diana Calder" <d.r.calder@home

wrote: family.  Anyway! with M.S., the mind says yes and the body says no, or is the other way around!

Close.  I believe its "the mind says yes, and the body says f*** off"   Eliz. To paraphrase Oedipus, Hamlet, Lear, and all those guys, "I wish I had known this some time ago." – Corwin, Sign of the Unicorn

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Yup!  that analogy is much more fitting!  Thanks! Diana <el…@notathome.com

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On Thu, 03 May 2001 15:53:14 GMT, "Diana Calder" <d.r.calder@home wrote: family.  Anyway! with M.S., the mind says yes and the body says no, or is the other way around! Close.  I believe its "the mind says yes, and the body says f*** off"   Eliz. To paraphrase Oedipus, Hamlet, Lear, and all those guys, "I wish I had known this some time ago." – Corwin, Sign of the Unicorn

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Hi Eliz! The doctor tried to wean me off 150 mgs in November over a 4 0r 5 day period.  I then was to switch to wellbutrin.  Well! besides feeling extremely nauseated, and a horrible sweeping sound in my head, I fell into a major depressive episode.  I ended up in the hospital for two weeks with my blood pressure all askew. They put me back on Effexor and now have increased the dose up to 225 mgs. I didn’t know they had the tablet form.  How are you doing weaning off Effexor!  Are you being succesful?  Good luck! Diana <el…@notathome.com

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Diana Calder wrote: Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of. I too am trying to get off effexor.  I am taking wellbutrin as well.  Have you tried taking the tablet form of effexor? You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces to get off it.  Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)

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Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS for my non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom. I’m particularly interested in the brand names as I can always get back to the generic from that and brands vary from country to country. Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not using them now, I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/

Been on; Prozac (Fluoxetine) Lustral (Sertraline) Dothiepin ( *forgot*) Amitriptylline (generic name) Paroxetine (Seroxat) This latter is the best for me, but has 2 unwelcome effects. 1…Prevents ejaculation at high doses 2…Known withdrawal syndrome ( see www.bnf.org ) HTH, P.

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Michael  wrote: I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft. The word ‘discombobulated’ really sums it up.  Turn your head too fast and it feels like your brain has become unhinged.  Stir in a hefty of dose of bed-spin feeling.  I imagine its what a mild concussion would feel like, or a good whollop to the noggin.  effing brutal.  Ten times worse than the symptoms you get when you start taking it.

I just poked through my little (NOT) book of pills… The description of Effexor’s side effects goes on for two whole *pages* of fine print! Effing brutal, huh?   I’ll pass. —           ((((((((((U)))))))))) Michael <muirh…@island.net

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Michael  wrote:

I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft.

The word ‘discombobulated’ really sums it up.  Turn your head too fast and it feels like your brain has become unhinged.  Stir in a hefty of dose of bed-spin feeling.  I imagine its what a mild concussion would feel like, or a good whollop to the noggin.  effing brutal.  Ten times worse than the symptoms you get when you start taking it. Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)

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Diana Calder wrote:

Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of.

I too am trying to get off effexor.  I am taking wellbutrin as well.  Have you tried taking the tablet form of effexor? You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces to get off it.  Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know! Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)

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wrote in message news:3af0e13e.47811940@news.cis.dfn.de… Diana Calder wrote: Paxil, Zoloft, Elavil, Am now on Effexor which I find great, but hard to wean off of. I too am trying to get off effexor.  I am taking wellbutrin as well.  Have you tried taking the tablet form of effexor? You can break the tablets into smaller and smaller pieces to get off it.  Otherwise the side effects are brutal as you know!

I’m curious here… what *are* the side effects to watch for when kicking Effexor? I remember this feeling of total depersonalization (nothing seemed real, and it was almost as if I was in some sort of a "bubble" that kept the world out,) when kicking a couple of different tricyclics… but never had any difficulty with trazodone or Zoloft. —           ((((((((((U)))))))))) Michael <muirh…@island.net

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Zoloft, Effexor, Wellbutrin. On Thu, 03 May 2001 00:08:54 +0100, Paul Jones – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Paul_Jo…@btinternet.com

wrote: Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS

for my

non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom.

I’m

particularly interested in the brand names as I can always

get back to

the generic from that and brands vary from country to

country.

Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not

using them now,

I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/

Eliz. _____ As God is my witness, I really thought turkeys could fly. (WKRP in Cincinnati)

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Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor, Trazedone.  Not using any now.  Didn’t like the so-called "side effects" cc:ng

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Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS for my non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom. I’m particularly interested in the brand names as I can always get back to the generic from that and brands vary from country to country. Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not using them now, I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/

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Hi, I’m preparing a list of medications that people use in MS for my non-profit web site. I’m doing them symptoms by symptom. I’m particularly interested in the brand names as I can always get back to the generic from that and brands vary from country to country. Right now I’m doing anti-depressants. If could people reply to this just saying all the brands of anti-depressant that they have used, even if you’re not using them now, I’d be very grateful. Thanks, Paul http://www.btinternet.com/~ms_pages/

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Does anyone have any experience with imipramine? 1)  What are the side effects?  Does it cause impotence the way practically all other anti-depressants do?   2)  How effective is it in treating depression? 3)  How different is it from other common drugs such as prozac, effexor, etc.? 4)  Does it have any lethal potential (will it kill a person if they OD on it in large doses)?  Many years ago, I made an unsucessful suicide attempt, and I dont want the temptation to be there if I ever get to that state again. 5)  Is does it have any addictive potential, like some meds can (i.e. you need more and more of it to get the same effect)? I presume in a group like this, many of you are currently on (or have been on) imiprimine.  I just need to get as much info as possible on, since this one of the drugs my doc has mentioned as a possibility for me.  Of course, ive asked him these questions also, but I just want to get another perspective. I’d appreciate any input from anyone out there– thanks advance allegro

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Does anyone have any experience with imipramine?

Not I. Tofranil, haven’t tried it. 1)  What are the side effects?  Does it cause impotence the way practically all other anti-depressants do?  

http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-t03.html 2)  How effective is it in treating depression?

About as good as any. Actually, it’s frequently used in comparison studies. 3)  How different is it from other common drugs such as prozac, effexor, etc.?

It’s a tricyclic, kind of like a shotgun. Does a lot of stuff, that’s why the scary side effects. Meds like Prozac do less in the body and so have fewer and less frequently occurring (within a population) side effects. 4)  Does it have any lethal potential (will it kill a person if they OD on it in large doses)?  Many years ago, I made an unsucessful suicide attempt, and I dont want the temptation to be there if I ever get to that state again.

Maybe you should ask for an SSRI. All tricyclics are a little dangerous. 5)  Is does it have any addictive potential, like some meds can (i.e. you need more and more of it to get the same effect)?

None at all. If you click on the Research link at Internet Mental Health you can get a ton of abstracts. Researchers seem to like using imipramine.

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I recently started taking Imipramine.  I’m up to 150Mg/day.  I’ve been on virtually all of the newer anti-depressants, so this is kind of my last hope. I can tell you this much, the newer ADs are no more effective than the older ones, such as the Tricyclics and MAOIs. As far as side effects go, I’m experiencing dry mouth and constipation.  Imipramine seems no worse than ADs like Prozac, Paxil, Serzone, Effexor, etc.  In fact, some of these newer ADs had more side effects.  Paxil, in particular, was the hardest drug to get off of.  Even though I weened off of it slowly, I experienced painful withdrawals, such as migraines, that lasted well over a month. From what I’ve read, one can OD on Imipramine, but so can one on Aspirin.  Also, it’s not addictive. I say it’s worth a try.  I mean, these newer ADs are being marketed heavily (whereas Imipramine is generic and inexpensive) and this is influencing doctors and patients.  But again, I have yet to read any studies that show Imipramine to be less effective. Does anyone have any experience with imipramine? 1)  What are the side effects?  Does it cause impotence the way practically all other anti-depressants do? 2)  How effective is it in treating depression? 3)  How different is it from other common drugs such as prozac, effexor, etc.? 4)  Does it have any lethal potential (will it kill a person if they OD on it in large doses)?  Many years ago, I made an unsucessful

suicide attempt, and I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – dont want the temptation to be there if I ever get to that state again. 5)  Is does it have any addictive potential, like some meds can (i.e. you need more and more of it to get the same effect)? I presume in a group like this, many of you are currently on (or have been on) imiprimine.  I just need to get as much info as possible on, since this one of the drugs my doc has mentioned as a possibility for me.  Of course, ive asked him these questions also, but I just want to get another perspective. I’d appreciate any input from anyone out there– thanks advance allegro

Before you buy.

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Hello,     Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support.

Dear Mike, Please don`t increase your Paxil dose by 20 mgs, that is a huge increase at one time and there is a chance you will experience really uncomfortable side-effects. People with anxiety disorders need to start at a low dose and wean slowly. It is best to increase your dose in 5mg increments. It took me 6 weeks to go from 5 mgs to 20 mgs on Paxil, I can`t imagine a 20mg increase at one time Take care!! Jackie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,     Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support. Dear Mike, Please don`t increase your Paxil dose by 20 mgs, that is a huge increase at one time and there is a chance you will experience really uncomfortable side-effects. People with anxiety disorders need to start at a low dose and wean slowly. It is best to increase your dose in 5mg increments. It took me 6 weeks to go from 5 mgs to 20 mgs on Paxil, I can`t imagine a 20mg increase at one time Take care!! Jackie

Jackie, as usual, is quite right here! Philip

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Mike, I agree with the other replies, don’t initially take the full 20 mgs.  If nothing else, at least cut it in half.  I hope you are able to get some sleep… smiles, elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,     Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support. Cheers, Mike Mike, Hope your appt goes well and do let us know how it goes… smiles, elise     Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM

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Hi All,     I have been taking Paxil for about a month and a half, and have a good started taking Paxil, I was taking 75mg of Amitriptilene for a number of months before I started taking Paxil. I was taking Amitriptilene for IBS, but my symptoms had gotten so bad, that the doctor put me on Paxil, and a few weeks later told me it was all right to stop taking the Amitriptilene. There was no tapering down, or anything. Last week, I started waking at night for no reason, and then the symptoms got so bad. I now have a feeling of "impending doom" and I am so fatigued, irritable, etc. Is this normal? Is one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? I would expect some minor discomfort, for a few days, and that is a maybe, but these feelings are horrible. Any ideas? Should I wait a few more days, before caling the doctor? Many thanks in advance. Cheers, Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All,     I have been taking Paxil for about a month and a half, and have a good started taking Paxil, I was taking 75mg of Amitriptilene for a number of months before I started taking Paxil. I was taking Amitriptilene for IBS, but my symptoms had gotten so bad, that the doctor put me on Paxil, and a few weeks later told me it was all right to stop taking the Amitriptilene. There was no tapering down, or anything. Last week, I started waking at night for no reason, and then the symptoms got so bad. I now have a feeling of "impending doom" and I am so fatigued, irritable, etc. Is this normal? Is one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? I would expect some minor discomfort, for a few days, and that is a maybe, but these feelings are horrible. Any ideas? Should I wait a few more days, before caling the doctor? Many thanks in advance. Cheers, Mike

I’d call your doc today, and try to get some relief. Chip

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one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene?

yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM

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    Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM

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Mike, Hope your appt goes well and do let us know how it goes… smiles, elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM

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Hello,     Went to the doctor’s and he has increased my dosage of Paxil from 20 mg to 40 mg. I did not realize there was going to be a yoyo effect from not taking amitriptilene. I am looking forward to a normal night’s sleep (for me 6 or 7 hours) whenever that will occur, I cannot say, but I am trying to optimistic. Many thanks to all for the moral support. Cheers, Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, Hope your appt goes well and do let us know how it goes… smiles, elise     Many thanks for the info. I am going to the doctor today. For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos. I feel so tightly wound up, that I cannot relax at all. I have become so jumpy, too. I do not dare drink any coffee, for obvious reasons. When the doctor said that it was all right to just stop taking amitriptilene, I had no idea that I would feel this badly. I have always been tightly wound up, even as a child. It was nice while I did not feel so wound up, until recently. All of this anxiety is making it impossible for me to exercise, (I usually ride a bicycle to and from work) I live in Brooklyn, and I normally ride into Manhattan every day. But, the last 5 months of all this anxiety has made it impossible. I used to ride 30 miles a day. I try to take a walk every evening, just a few miles, to help burn off my nervous energy. I will let you know how I make out at the doctors, and my thanks to those who answered my query, and to those who have had good thoughts for me. Cheers, Mike one supposed to feel like shit, a week and half after not taking Amitriptilene? yes if you abruptly stopped-it takes a week to leave your system -taking both paxil and amitriptyline together is bad medicine imo-they compete quite viruntly for specific receptor sites there are other tca ssri combos that are safer-so you now are feeling the full brunt of the paxil and the abrupt ceasation of the ami-get another doc-btw paxil is less effective in treating ibs then the sedating tca’s even though it may be the most sedating ssri and certainly the most anticholinergic it still doesn’t equate to ami your ami dose was low and buttricing it with a benzo may have provided better relief even now a benzo would do wonders LM

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For reasons which I cannot relate here I am not able to take benzos.

Mike, you already do.  Diazepam (Valium) and other benzodiazepine type chemicals are in every mouthful of food you eat. Ian

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I took Zoloft for 2 days, I had very little sleep and completely horrifying dreams when I did get to sleep. I felt really shaky and nervous as well. I thought I would be nuts in a week if I would have stayed on. It affects people very differently!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Hi Julie! I wish I could help you with the Zoloft question.  I just wanted to welcome you to a very caring group!!! Hugs, Di

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Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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HI Julie, Call your prescribing doctor but I don’t see what it would hurt weaning on at say 12.5 for a few days then upping the dose. Sometimes the side effects are just increased anxiety over taking the med. What do you mean by Zoned out? Hope you are feeling better. Hugs Charla —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance.

It’s best to start at 12.5mg with Z if you have anxiety problems.  It’s difficult to know what to say about your side effects, though.  It can cause nausea, but I’m not sure what you mean by "zoned out" though it must have been serious to go to the hospital.  Make sure you describe in detail what happened to your psychiatrist.  If you give the ng better details on the side effects you may get better advice. Best of luck to you, Matt

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Thanks!It really helps to know there are people here who can relate to how I feel.Well after only 3 days my dr. took me off Zoloft.My body couldn’t handle the side-effects.I feel really disappointed because I’ve heard others have good results from this.He said we would try something different in about a week.Any ideas on something that may be better for me? Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Thanks!It really helps to know there are people here who can relate to how I feel.Well after only 3 days my dr. took me off Zoloft.My body couldn’t handle the side-effects.I feel really disappointed because I’ve heard others have good results from this.He said we would try something different in about a week.Any ideas on something that may be better for me?

There are lots of possibilities. Another SSRI like Celexa would be a possibility. If one SSRI doesn’t work another might. It may be augmented by a benzo like (preferably IMO) Xanax. But if you try Celexa start at *5 mg* and no more. I am not totally convinced that you wouldn’t be able to benefit from Zoloft if it had been administered in the right low dose but Celexa works as well and supposedly has a lower side effect profile. There are many other possibilites: a TCA like imipramine, desipramine etc. preferably in a combo with a benzo, or newer AD’s like especially Effexor. Etc.etc. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance.

Hi Julie! I wish I could help you with the Zoloft question.  I just wanted to welcome you to a very caring group!!! Hugs, Di

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You shouldn’t take Zoloft on an empty stomach.  Actually you shouldn’t take an pills (e.g. vitamins) on an empty stomach unless the pharmacist tells you to do so.

Actually since taking Z (though Z is somewhat unique in this) on a full stomach increases absorption of the med, if she wanted an even smaller effect than 12.5 mg would give her she could try it on an empty stomach. Matt

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In the UK, my doctor said that there is no dosage less than 50mg. And so I had bad stuff hapening to me. Which included nausea, I assume you were not sick tho. I would have carried on but I had to work and so I stopped after two days, the side effects are ment to go away.

In the US we have scored 25mg tablets.  You could get a pill cutter which would would take the 50mg, if scored, down to 12.5mg.  (But I suppose this is a little after the fact.) Matt

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After what I experienced I would be terrified to take 50mgs! I’m hoping to do better on a low dosage. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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In the UK, my doctor said that there is no dosage less than 50mg. And so I had bad stuff hapening to me. Which included nausea, I assume you were not sick tho. I would have carried on but I had to work and so I stopped after two days, the side effects are ment to go away. — If I could start again. A million milles away I would keep myself. I would find a way. It’s a damn mad world. And It will get madder before it ends. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Thanks everyone for the advice.This was really a scary reaction I had.It’s hard to explain what happened.I’m seeing my dr. tomorrow.The hospital gave me benadryl for the reaction,it helped.I’m thinking maybe I started at too high a dose,my body wasn’t ready.I intend to continue my treatment.I will be 40 this month,it seems like I’ve lived most of my life in fear. Maybe with the help of my dr. and people who understand what this is like,I will find a successful treatment.Thanks All! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hi everyone.I’m on my 2nd dose of Zoloft,25 mgs,my first day I had extreme nausea.On the 2nd day my husband took me to the hospital.I completely zoned out.It was very scary.I plan on completing my treatment because over-coming this awful way of life is important to me.What I’m asking is,was this normal? Should I just lower my dosage?Thanks in advance.

Nausea and feeling zoned out are common initial side effects of Zoloft but it seems you had a really bad reaction. It is advisable IMO to start Zoloft at 12,5 mgs, stay there for a week and then raise the dose in increments of 12,5 mgs every week or at whatever pace is comfortable for you. *Starting low & going slow* will minimize the initial side effects. Moreover this could be helped by taking a benzo like Xanax on the side *as needed*, at least during the time you are weaning on Zoloft. You should give Zoloft a 6-8 week trial to be able to properly assess its effect but it’s likely that you will feel better much earlier. What does your doctor say? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Julie, Sorry I can’t help you with the zoloft question because I don’t take that, but just wanted to say I hope everything goes well for you and you can get back to a more normal life. smiles, elise

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I don’t know where you live but do you think that it ia normal, to give somebody shock treatment for anxiety and panic??

NO! It is something like a last resort for depression but there is no evidence AFAIK that it works for PAD. No ECT! I don’t think so, maybe for people who  have only depression. but that I am depri is because of the fakt that I have try’d now so many med; and the only one who helpt me was Remeron. But the side effect where so bad that I had to stop.

But we know now that those side effects were from the fillers. You found that out yourself! And soon Remeron will be available in loquid form and your troubles may be over…. they may be over earlier when the Dutonin (Serzone) will start to work…. I am optimistic…. love Diana.

Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that  is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc. {{{Diana}}} You are *not* worthless. You just feel that way because you are depressed. It is a symptom of depression. Give the Serzone some more time to work. If no med is able to help your depression, there is shock treatment as a last resort. Love, Chip Before you buy.

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Dear Diana, Yes I would say it is very normal to feel depressed and frustrated after 18 months of trying so many different drugs and sometimes feeling worse. This can be a very long road. I am doing the same thing but thankful when the good days DO come, and they will! Sorry you are having such a hard time. I am just sticking with the Klonopin and no more antidepressants. None of them helped me – too many side effects – and life is OK most of the time. I hope the Serzone starts to help you soon. Is it giving you side effects?? Love,

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Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that  is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that  is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc.

{{{Diana}}} You are *not* worthless. You just feel that way because you are depressed. It is a symptom of depression. Give the Serzone some more time to work. If no med is able to help your depression, there is shock treatment as a last resort. Love, Chip Before you buy.

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I don’t know where you live but do you think that it ia normal, to give somebody shock treatment for anxiety and panic?? I don’t think so, maybe for people who  have only depression. but that I am depri is because of the fakt that I have try’d now so many med; and the only one who helpt me was Remeron. But the side effect where so bad that I had to stop. love Diana. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that  is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc. {{{Diana}}} You are *not* worthless. You just feel that way because you are depressed. It is a symptom of depression. Give the Serzone some more time to work. If no med is able to help your depression, there is shock treatment as a last resort. Love, Chip Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it normal that I feel very depri? When I was in Ireland I had not a very good time, I had than for med; selexa and clonazepam. I felt very depri. Now I am back for 14 days and I have other med; Dutonin( serzone) but I feel more and more depri. I know the new med need it’s time. But this is something that  is for me well known. I had this feeling before and it’s make’s me afraid, not for myself because I wish that I had the opportunitie to……. But for not my family. I am so tired from al this, every 8 weeks other med; sometimes less than 4 weeks. because I have sometimes very bad side effects, and than I have to stop. this is now going on for 18 mounths and I am fed up with all this. I don’t want no more, I had it. Before I went to Ireland I brought all the pills that I had safe’t to my gp. That was not a very good idea from me, so I start over again. the first I have already, I don’t know anymore for this moment what to do.everything that I try is going wrong. WHY, I feel my self worthless that I can get myself under control. Love Diana. Please no answer on my pc.

Hi Diana! I feel so bad for you!  You are depressed and I’ve been depressed lately.  Just in the last day or two I’ve been feeling a little better.  The doc raised the Desipramine over the weekend and it made me more depressed.  I’m not taking the extra anymore and I feel better.  Please keep calling your doctor to see what else he can do and hang in there.  It has to get better for you and I believe it will!   {{{{{{{Diana}}}}}}} Diane

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                        Now this above, my dog understands.                         DCI

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                                Sure! I read your post.                                 What is that stuff you’re                                 drinking?                                 DCI

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Aren’t you on alt.fan.howard.stern? Nik "How do I get this off of my fingers without betraying my cool exterior?" …Fox Mulder MulderClone Owner # 35,247 & XFW #8760 Home Page – http://members.aol.com/niknik7/main.html

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Don’t forget the company that manufactured the gun.

Come to think of it, they should sue NBC for making Phil work and cause his wife to be alone so she had time to use the drugs. Right? Am I getting the jist of this liability thing? Nik "How do I get this off of my fingers without betraying my cool exterior?" …Fox Mulder MulderClone Owner # 35,247 & XFW #8760 Home Page – http://members.aol.com/niknik7/main.html

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The coke had NOTHING to do with it:)

Yea but I bet running out of it sure did…!!

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Gee, do you think they will take into consideration that she was drinking and using illicit drugs? Maybe they ought to sue the dealer and the alcohol company too….I mean just to be fair. Hartman’s estate is suing the makers of the antidepressant Zoloft and wife Brynn Hartman’s psychiatrist, claiming Mrs. Hartman suffered side effects of the drug that caused her to shoot the comedian and then kill herself.

Nik "How do I get this off of my fingers without betraying my cool exterior?" …Fox Mulder MulderClone Owner # 35,247 & XFW #8760 Home Page – http://members.aol.com/niknik7/main.html

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The coke had NOTHING to do with it:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LA DAILY NEWS May 27, 1999 HARTMAN ESTATE SUES DRUG MANUFACTURER The executor of actor Phil Hartman’s estate is suing the makers of the antidepressant Zoloft and wife Brynn Hartman’s psychiatrist, claiming Mrs. Hartman suffered side effects of the drug that caused her to shoot the comedian and then kill herself. Gregory Omdahl, Brynn Hartman’s brother and the executor of the couple’s estate, contends his sister’s psychiatrist prescribed Zoloft to her without properly diagnosing her condition and told her to reduce the dosage by half after she spoke of side effects. "Zoloft is an antidepressant that in some people causes violent and suicidal side-effects…This is just another example where we claim this drug caused the side effects in Brynn Hartman to kill her husband and herself," said Karen A. Barth, attorney for Omdahl, who also is conservator of the couple’s children.

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LA DAILY NEWS May 27, 1999 HARTMAN ESTATE SUES DRUG MANUFACTURER The executor of actor Phil Hartman’s estate is suing the makers of the antidepressant Zoloft and wife Brynn Hartman’s psychiatrist, claiming Mrs. Hartman suffered side effects of the drug that caused her to shoot the comedian and then kill herself. Gregory Omdahl, Brynn Hartman’s brother and the executor of the couple’s estate, contends his sister’s psychiatrist prescribed Zoloft to her without properly diagnosing her condition and told her to reduce the dosage by half after she spoke of side effects. "Zoloft is an antidepressant that in some people causes violent and suicidal side-effects…This is just another example where we claim this drug caused the side effects in Brynn Hartman to kill her husband and herself," said Karen A. Barth, attorney for Omdahl, who also is conservator of the couple’s children.

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Any anxious/depressed nurses out there? I recently graduated nursing school and started my first ever LPN job. Although I’ve been on various SSRIs (currently Zoloft) the old anxiety and depression which I thought had subsided several years ago are coming back with a vengeance!  I’m afraid I’m going to screw up, get a bad review, or even get fired or lose my license! Diana B.

Hi Diana, welcome to ASAP, If every nurse with a anxiety disorder was fired, then most hospitals would need to close. For some reason(s) the medical profession generally, and nurses in particular, seem to have more than their fair share of anxiety and depression sufferers. Probably, all  due to those difficult to please patients, although I am of course an exception!    :-^) Take care Ian

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If every nurse with a anxiety disorder was fired, then most hospitals would need to close. For some reason(s) the medical profession generally, and nurses in particular, seem to have more than their fair share of anxiety and depression sufferers. Probably, all  due to those difficult to please patients, although I am of course an exception!    :-^) Take care Ian

In my experience the worst patients, are male patients. Especially in the 45 to 50 age bracket. <G They are demanding, obnoxious and can not handle any pain. I would give up peroxide just to see what kind of patient you are, Ian. ~~ When I was in the hospital having surgery, this one night there was this person screaming all night, it was the most blood-curdling screams I had ever heard. I couldn`t take it any more, and asked one of the nurses what was wrong. With a "giggle", she said it was the man down the hall passing a tiny ole kidney baby…….You guys are such babies<VBG. *Her*

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Any anxious/depressed nurses out there? I recently graduated nursing school and started my first ever LPN job. Although I’ve been on various SSRIs (currently Zoloft) the old anxiety and depression which I thought had subsided several years ago are coming back with a vengeance!  I’m afraid I’m going to screw up, get a bad review, or even get fired or lose my license! Diana B. The JerZ Fox Money doesn’t buy happiness. Poverty doesn’t buy anything.

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Any anxious/depressed nurses out there? I recently graduated nursing school and started my first ever LPN job. Although I’ve been on various SSRIs (currently Zoloft) the old anxiety and depression which I thought had subsided several years ago are coming back with a vengeance!  I’m afraid I’m going to screw up, get a bad review, or even get fired or lose my license! Diana B.

Hi Diana, Welcome to ASAP! I am a LPN also, but I am not working due to PD.  I do understand how difficult it is to do your job while being very anxious and panicky. When I was working in a nursing home, I was the medication and treatment nurse. Medications were quite difficult to dispense while in a anxiety state. My worse fear was I would make a medication error and hurt someone. I had no idea what was wrong with me, but you do know what you are dealing with. Seek help immediately, before this gets out of control. I would first go to your MD and get a good checkup just to make sure nothing physical is causing it. If everything checks out, get to a psych doctor ASAP. It is time to either up the Zoloft dose, or think about a med change. A script for a benzo would also help. I would also suggest Cognitive Behavioral therapy, if you haven`t done this before. You need to be taught some coping tools for those anxious moments at work. And CBT can do that. You can`t get fired or lose your license because you suffer from a anxiety disorder. Making errors while really anxious is always a possibility, that is why you need to deal with this now, and aggressively, this will not go away on its own. I really do sympathize with you, I do know what you are going through. Hope things work out, and keep in touch<g Jackie ~~Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement. Nothing can be done without hope and confidence~~

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