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Hi all! I’ve been lurking with a headache for over a week & decided to join in. I have daily headaches, some sinus, tension(? I guess, tho not a tense person), new allergies, vascular & medication side effects. I have had Migraines since exactly 6mos after a total hysterectomy in 1982. Migraines have improved thru prayer, believe it or not…less frequent & not as severe, which is GREAT!  But I still do get them. I’ve been on Inderal 120mg LA for 10yrs & my reg DR won’t d/c it cuz I had an odd allergic reaction to Imitrex…a blood clot in a coronary artery…long story.  I used to rely on Fiorinal, but found the rebound headaches were worse. I just use Excedrin migraine & Excedrin PM or ecotrin…doesn’t help much & I’m sure I get rebounds from Excedrin too, but I HAVE to take something!! I have alot of other serious illnesses also & take Tylox & Soma for those.  I DID stop the nutrasweet cuz I heard it could be a cause, but haven’t noticed much difference, except a little weight gain from caloric beverages…oh well!   One thing I do recommend for ANY headache that helps ALOT & sometimes dissolves them. 1) a great husband who massages my forehead with "red Tiger Balm"…feels great & works for me. Sometimes, I can’t take the scent or know this one’s not goin’ away, so I wipe the balm off 2) Tiger balm to neck muscles & back of head 3) ICE packs to forehead & back of neck…it just soothes, doesn’t quite eliminate headache 4) Tiger balm on the sinuses  To recover from a Migraine, I start with ginger ale, saltines, Haagendaz vanilla ice cream & chicken soup. It works every time…I may be on this for a few days, but it helps the nausea, puts something in the stomach & brings some nourishment. I hope this can help any of you! ~Stacie~ Lady O writes:

  Hi all, I’ve been on Sansert since February. No real side effects (lucky me!), a slight bit of nausea when I first started, that’s it. Well, about two weeks ago, my legs started swelling. I mean, *really* swelling. I put up with it for a couple of days, until my husband looked at them and cried, "You have to see a doctor!" So, I went into the ER, no problems with my kidneys, call your "regular" doctor (whoever the h*ll that is!) take this Lasix and potassium, blah blah blah. I finally called my pain doctor, who told me it’s probably not the Sansert after this long, but better wean off of it anyhow, just in case, and we’ll see. OMG!!! I have had the most awful headache since last Monday!! I’ve been into the ER twice (*after* the first visit, because the first ER was out of dilaudid, and the morphine didn’t work, and I didn’t feel like waiting/fighting/arguing for more, and I ended up in a different ER the next day, that *HAD* dilaudid!!!), and although I’m slightly better today, I’m still counting the minutes until I can get to the pharmacy to get my refills. The Maxalt finally pooped out on me after so many days of use. How long am I going to have to endure this headache before my brain realizes that no more Sansert is coming down the chute, thank you very much?? Even if the Sansert *isn’t* causing my legs to swell, I’ll stay off of it, just so I can avoid this headache every six months. . In the meantime, I’ve got a call into the pain doc. I know that *he* knows how to dose that morphine . . . Lady :O <<<Lady O, I looked up Sansert in my nursing drug book & it CAN cause the swelling you have! generic name: Methysergide maleate action: unknown. Specifically blocks serotonin in the peripheral nervous system. ADVERSE REACTIONS: CNS: insomnia,drowsiness,euphoria, vertigo,ataxia, light-headedness,weakness,hallucinations or feelings of dissociation,rapid speech,lethargy CV(cardio-vascular):vasoconstriction,causing chest pain,vascular insufficiency of LEGS;cold,numb,pain- ful limbs with or without numbness/tingling & absent or diminished pulses, orthostatic hypotension(low BP upon arising),flushing,tachycardia(fast heartrate) PERIPHERAL EDEMA(swelling of limbs) GI:abdominal pain, nausea,vomiting,diarrhea,heart- burn,constipation ALSO:weiht gain, arthralgia,myalgia,hair loss,rash *drug shouldn’t be used for migraine,vascular head- aches, or tension (muscular contraction) headaches *if drug shows no resonse after 3wks,is unlikely to be beneficial **drug may be withdrawn gradually every 6mo & then restarted after a least 3wks **do NOT stop drug abruptly but gradually over 2-3wks;abrupt withdrawal may cause REBOUND headaches I hope you are feling better! ~Stacie!

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It’s similar to LSD & has something to do with Seratonin.  I believe it was 1964 that I began taking it at the Montifiore Headache Clinic in NYC, & they did know about the 6 month protocol there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the drug in Sansert? I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol. WE did not know that in 1965,

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What is the drug in Sansert? regards Don

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol. WE did not know that in 1965, I took it for 1 and a 1/2  year and it nearly killed me. It sure took care of the headache.

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I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol.

WE did not know that in 1965, I took it for 1 and a 1/2  year and it nearly killed me. It sure took care of the headache.

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You are right . . . they still say you can’t take it for more than six months.  I figured that since I’ve been on it since February, my time was almost up, anyhow. I think that doctors consider it to be a "last ditch" effort to prevent headaches.  I have had a tremendous decrease in my headaches, but I think it is more due to the fact that I’ve eliminated aspartame from my diet, rather than the Sansert. I’m still plugging along, waiting for this stuff to get out of my system for good.  I’m not taking it any more, period! Lady – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol.  That is, no one should remain on it for more than 6 months at a time.  My experience was that it worked well for that length of time, after which I started getting what they called "breakthrough headaches".  Over a course of a couple of years, I was on it for a total of 2 six month periods. I believe that it is used mainly to "break a cycle" of headaches & is not intended for long term use (Caveat: This was many years ago & might be outdated information).  I wouldn’t discount the Sansert yet. I’ve been on Sansert since February.

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I was told that Sansert has a 6 month protocol.  That is, no one should remain on it for more than 6 months at a time.  My experience was that it worked well for that length of time, after which I started getting what they called "breakthrough headaches".  Over a course of a couple of years, I was on it for a total of 2 six month periods. I believe that it is used mainly to "break a cycle" of headaches & is not intended for long term use (Caveat: This was many years ago & might be outdated information). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t discount the Sansert yet. I’ve been on Sansert since February.

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Just a thought…I often had side effects hit me well into a therapy.  I didn’t get my first allergic reaction to Topomax until 8 months into it. They suspect it was a hormonal conflict, but still…you never know what will cause a reaction.  I wouldn’t discount the Sansert yet. I feel for you though, I know how those withdrawal headaches feel and it’s not pretty.  I’ll be praying for you cause some days…that’s all we got! Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’ve been on Sansert since February.  No real side effects (lucky me!), a slight bit of nausea when I first started, that’s it. Well, about two weeks ago, my legs started swelling.  I mean, *really* swelling.  I put up with it for a couple of days, until my husband looked at them and cried, "You have to see a doctor!"  So,  I went into the ER, no problems with my kidneys, call your "regular" doctor (whoever the h*ll that is!) take this Lasix and potassium, blah blah blah.  I finally called my pain doctor, who told me it’s probably not the Sansert after this long, but better wean off of it anyhow, just in case, and we’ll see. OMG!!!  I have had the most awful headache since last Monday!!  I’ve been into the ER twice (*after* the first visit, because the first ER was out of dilaudid, and the morphine didn’t work, and I didn’t feel like waiting/fighting/arguing for more, and I ended up in a different ER the next day, that *HAD* dilaudid!!!), and although I’m slightly better today, I’m still counting the minutes until I can get to the pharmacy to get my refills.  The Maxalt finally pooped out on me after so many days of use. How long am I going to have to endure this headache before my brain realizes that no more Sansert is coming down the chute, thank you very much??  Even if the Sansert *isn’t* causing my legs to swell, I’ll stay off of it, just so I can avoid this headache every six months. . . In the meantime, I’ve got a call into the pain doc.  I know that *he* knows  how to dose that morphine . . . Lady :O

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Hi all, I’ve been on Sansert since February.  No real side effects (lucky me!), a slight bit of nausea when I first started, that’s it. Well, about two weeks ago, my legs started swelling.  I mean, *really* swelling.  I put up with it for a couple of days, until my husband looked at them and cried, "You have to see a doctor!"  So,  I went into the ER, no problems with my kidneys, call your "regular" doctor (whoever the h*ll that is!) take this Lasix and potassium, blah blah blah.  I finally called my pain doctor, who told me it’s probably not the Sansert after this long, but better wean off of it anyhow, just in case, and we’ll see. OMG!!!  I have had the most awful headache since last Monday!!  I’ve been into the ER twice (*after* the first visit, because the first ER was out of dilaudid, and the morphine didn’t work, and I didn’t feel like waiting/fighting/arguing for more, and I ended up in a different ER the next day, that *HAD* dilaudid!!!), and although I’m slightly better today, I’m still counting the minutes until I can get to the pharmacy to get my refills.  The Maxalt finally pooped out on me after so many days of use. How long am I going to have to endure this headache before my brain realizes that no more Sansert is coming down the chute, thank you very much??  Even if the Sansert *isn’t* causing my legs to swell, I’ll stay off of it, just so I can avoid this headache every six months. . . In the meantime, I’ve got a call into the pain doc.  I know that *he* knows  how to dose that morphine . . . Lady :O

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Deseril (as per UK and Down Under) is Methysergide.  Used with some success but some pretty rare but bad side effects if prolonged use. Don from Down Under

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just FYO, "Deseril" is the correct spelling in: "Nursing 2002 Drug Handbook"  22nd edition Stacie    Hawki writes: Someone nicely emailed me from the UK telling me that over there Sansert IS marketed as Desiril (think that spelling is correct)…so Stacie is correct!! I also of course immediately assumed she meant Desyrl/Trazadone…of course not at all like Sansert.. learn something everyday!! this group DOES have lots of useful info to share!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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Stacie I got it now….different spellings ……I don’t think Sansert is marketed in the US as deseril tho…. rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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Just FYO, "Deseril" is the correct spelling in: "Nursing 2002 Drug Handbook"  22nd edition Stacie    Hawki writes: Someone nicely emailed me from the UK telling me that over there Sansert IS marketed as Desiril (think that spelling is correct)…so Stacie is correct!! I also of course immediately assumed she meant Desyrl/Trazadone…of course not at all like Sansert.. learn something everyday!! this group DOES have lots of useful info to share!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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Mouse Someone nicely emailed me from the UK telling me that over there Sansert IS marketed as Desiril (think that spelling is correct)…so Stacie is correct!! I also of course immediately assumed she meant Desyrl/Trazadone…of course not at all like Sansert.. learn something everyday!! this group DOES have lots of useful info to share!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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    Hawki writes: also Deseril is like Sansert Stacie Do you mean "desyrel" (trazadone)….??? This is NOT like Sansert!!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner <<<No, Hawki..DESERIL & Sansert are both "methysergide maleate"…adrenergic blockers DESYREL is "trazodone hydrochloride"….an anti-depressant Close, but quite different! Stacie

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Stacie: You can’t possibly mean Deseryl…aka trazadone, can you?  Those two drugs (deseryl and sansert) aren’t even in the same ballpark!  I can’t find reference to any drug with your spelling, Deseril.  I’ve never heard of another drug like Sansert at all.  Care to give more details? Take care, Moisie (check to verify any post allegedly by me isn’t from altopia.net/alt.net)

: Don asks: : : What is the drug in Sansert? : : "Methysergide maleate"..also Deseril is like Sansert :

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also Deseril is like Sansert

Stacie Do you mean "desyrel" (trazadone)….??? This is NOT like Sansert!!! rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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What is the drug in Sansert?

I think it is related to ergot, not sure,Bob Wold  knows. Toty

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Don asks: What is the drug in Sansert? "Methysergide maleate"..also Deseril is like Sansert

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Tiger Balm helps me sometimes, too.  It doesn’t get rid of the headache, but the warmth of it distracts from the pain of the headache.  I have to be careful not to get it too close to my eyes, though.  Yeouch!! And as far as I can tell, Haagen Dazs, of any flavor, will cure *anything*! Lady <—–  who loves chocolate chocolate chip!!

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   One thing I do recommend for ANY headache that helps ALOT & sometimes dissolves them. 1) a great husband who massages my forehead with "red Tiger Balm"…feels great & works for me. Sometimes, I can’t take the scent or know this one’s not goin’ away, so I wipe the balm off 2) Tiger balm to neck muscles & back of head 3) ICE packs to forehead & back of neck…it just soothes, doesn’t quite eliminate headache 4) Tiger balm on the sinuses  To recover from a Migraine, I start with ginger ale, saltines, Haagendaz vanilla ice cream & chicken soup. It works every time…I may be on this for a few days, but it helps the nausea, puts something in the stomach & brings some nourishment. I hope this can help any of you! ~Stacie~ Lady O writes:

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As a recently diagnosed asthmatic, who is happy that the medications work for her, I am wondering about the cost of the inhalers.  I am using Proventil and Flovent.  What is the approximate cost of a canister of these medications, and is there any place that is preferable to order them from? I generally get my medications from AARP as I do a lot of traveling (no choice) and they can mail them to me where ever I am…  but the cost of these meds has me a bit frightened.  Not being able to breathe has me a bit frightened, too, at times! Mary

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I don’t know the cost of Proventil as I use generic albuterol.  Flovent is about 75 USD per canister.  I use two canisters a month when I’m taking 4 puffs x2 day.  That’s a lot of money, yes, but I sorta have this thing about breathing, I like it.   I’m lucky in that I have prescription coverage that allows me to mail order my medications in 90 day supplies for only a co-pay of 20.00 for name brand drugs or 7.00 for generic.  It’s just the Walgreen’s down in Florida that they use and Walgreen’s bills my insurance company. Yeah, it can get expensive.  My doc and I sat down and figured up what it would cost me out of pocket for all the meds I take each month.  It would cover the payment on a new Porche.  <sigh Loki – who loves fast cars… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a recently diagnosed asthmatic, who is happy that the medications work for her, I am wondering about the cost of the inhalers.  I am using Proventil and Flovent.  What is the approximate cost of a canister of these medications, and is there any place that is preferable to order them from? I generally get my medications from AARP as I do a lot of traveling (no choice) and they can mail them to me where ever I am…  but the cost of these meds has me a bit frightened.  Not being able to breathe has me a bit frightened, too, at times! Mary

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Mary Lu, can you use Express Scripts? They are at 1-800-696-3760.  They are another "mail" pharmacy, and I’ve found them very reasonable.  Admittedly, I am getting the prices set for my HMO, and am being sent several refills at once (only maintenance meds qualify, but your drugs WOULD be maintenance), but I only pay about $5/pop for Ventolin. Be sure to ask your doctor to specify the generic, which at least can be done for the Proventil. I’ll bet if you call them, they’ll give you a price over the phone. Kiwi Carlisle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a recently diagnosed asthmatic, who is happy that the medications work for her, I am wondering about the cost of the inhalers.  I am using Proventil and Flovent.  What is the approximate cost of a canister of these medications, and is there any place that is preferable to order them from? I generally get my medications from AARP as I do a lot of traveling (no choice) and they can mail them to me where ever I am…  but the cost of these meds has me a bit frightened.  Not being able to breathe has me a bit frightened, too, at times! Mary

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My last canister of Flovent 110 retailed for $54.98.  I don’t think where you get them matters too much, unless your insurance cares.  :) janet – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a recently diagnosed asthmatic, who is happy that the medications work for her, I am wondering about the cost of the inhalers.  I am using Proventil and Flovent.  What is the approximate cost of a canister of these medications, and is there any place that is preferable to order them from? I generally get my medications from AARP as I do a lot of traveling (no choice) and they can mail them to me where ever I am…  but the cost of these meds has me a bit frightened.  Not being able to breathe has me a bit frightened, too, at times! Mary

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Thanks for the help. Brian’s chest specialist is planning to substitute Singulair for Flovent. My husband and I are still deciding whether to stop the Flovent and change to Singulair or put up with the behaviour changes and leave him on Flovent. The Flovent does work.         I’ve been using the other powerful effective steroid Pulmicort for some nine months and it’s done me a whole lot of good.           Last month I started taking Singulair. Didn’t notice any effect for a few days.  But now, thirty days later, I’m using a whole lot less of the rescue inhaler (albuterol) And from time to time, I’m  forgetting to take the Pulmicort.          I can’t believe your doctor want’s to stop the Flovent before seeing what effect the Singulair may have. (From the point of view of "If it works, don’ mess with it."  Are you sure you read him right?

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I may be a little late with this response. My son has been sporatically on Singular since he was 3 y.o… The reason for only being on it once in a while is because it gave him headaches.  It took me a while to figure out they were related to the Singular, but it is listed as a side effect.  Our doctor initially had given him a 5mg chewable.  Then had us break it in half when the headaches started.   The headaches continued so I gave up on it until recently I’ve tried him on 1/2 tablets again (he is 5 now) and he seems to do better on them. Just FYI …keep it in mind that there are side effects to the Singular. Marina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the help.  Brian’s chest specialist is planning to substitute Singulair for Flovent.  My husband and I are still deciding whether to stop the Flovent and change to Singulair or put up with the behaviour changes and leave him on Flovent. The Flovent does work.  He has gotten sick this week with the flu and his asthma has not flared yet (yay!!!). I have talked to other parents who have had the same experience we have with using flovent.  I haven’t seen any studies that say flovent causes behaviour changes but can only go by what I am seeing. Debbie If you haven’t already tried it, you might be surprised about your son’s reaction to Singulair. It tastes _so_ pleasing to children that I’ve read (sorry, can’t recall the source) that there is pressure on the maker to change the flavor to something less palatable. There’ve been incidents of children overdosing on it, perhaps seeing it more as It’s small, cute, pink and tastes great. Even my 10-year old, for whom Singulair proved ineffective, whined the other day he wishes he could take it again, it tasted so good. Crushing it and sprinkling it in something should be no problem for him. ~Jacy

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Thanks for the help.  Brian’s chest specialist is planning to substitute Singulair for Flovent.  My husband and I are still deciding whether to stop the Flovent and change to Singulair or put up with the behaviour changes and leave him on Flovent. The Flovent does work.  He has gotten sick this week with the flu and his asthma has not flared yet (yay!!!).   I have talked to other parents who have had the same experience we have with using flovent.  I haven’t seen any studies that say flovent causes behaviour changes but can only go by what I am seeing. Debbie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you haven’t already tried it, you might be surprised about your son’s reaction to Singulair. It tastes _so_ pleasing to children that I’ve read (sorry, can’t recall the source) that there is pressure on the maker to change the flavor to something less palatable. There’ve been incidents of children overdosing on it, perhaps seeing it more as It’s small, cute, pink and tastes great. Even my 10-year old, for whom Singulair proved ineffective, whined the other day he wishes he could take it again, it tasted so good. Crushing it and sprinkling it in something should be no problem for him. ~Jacy

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If you haven’t already tried it, you might be surprised about your son’s reaction to Singulair. It tastes _so_ pleasing to children that I’ve read (sorry, can’t recall the source) that there is pressure on the maker to change the flavor to something less palatable. There’ve been incidents of children overdosing on it, perhaps seeing it more as It’s small, cute, pink and tastes great. Even my 10-year old, for whom Singulair proved ineffective, whined the other day he wishes he could take it again, it tasted so good. Crushing it and sprinkling it in something should be no problem for him. ~Jacy

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Hi, I’m on flovent since 1999, i’ve never had behavior and personality affects and never heard of some in children. You may try to check other places than flovent side effects. It’s working well, for singulair, headache can occur, if it doesn’t disappear after 2-3 days see your MD to quit singulair. Singulair work well in 1/3 of the peoples, there’s majority of children in this 1/3, another 1/3 get some result, and finally 1/3 don’t get any benifit. You can see result 2-3 days after the first treatment. Don’t quit flovent, for your child don’t worry you’re in the "terrible 2 years" period, they always say no, it like the small angel tranform itself in a little devil! Good luck! AT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 2 1/2 year old son is currently using flovent as his preventer medication.  We have found that this affects his behaviour and personality.  When I discussed this with his chest specialist he claims that flovent should not affect his personality.  He suggested that we try singulair with him. Two questions immediately come to mind. One, how do you give a chewable singulair tablet to a child who will refuse to chew it?  (He will not chew anything hard). Two, does anyone have experience with giving singulair to a child this young?  I was told that there should not be any side effects but my husband and I are concerned about using this drug.  We are considering living with the flovent because we know it works. Thanks in advance.  Debbie

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My 2 1/2 year old son is currently using flovent as his preventer medication.  We have found that this affects his behaviour and personality.  When I discussed this with his chest specialist he claims that flovent should not affect his personality.  He suggested that we try singulair with him. Two questions immediately come to mind. One, how do you give a chewable singulair tablet to a child who will refuse to chew it?  (He will not chew anything hard). Two, does anyone have experience with giving singulair to a child this young?  I was told that there should not be any side effects but my husband and I are concerned about using this drug.  We are considering living with the flovent because we know it works. Thanks in advance.  Debbie

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Hi Everyone, my name is Augest.  I am twenty nine and i have panic disorder and ocd sinc the age of 11.  I was on zoloft fot eight years and recently weaned myself off to try and go it alone.  A week ago all my symptoms returned and I have been having attacks 24/7 since then.  I am so despondent.  I had to drop my online college course, put my part time job on hold and delay my business I’m working on starting.  All I can do is have attacks.  I’m waiting for the zoloft to kick in, but I feel like a failure for having to go back on it.  I have a feeling  I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life if I am going to be able to function.  I am so sad.  Was I stupid to try and go it alone?  Has anyone else tried and failed?  Please write to me, as I need someone to talk to who understands. Always, Augest

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Hi Everyone, my name is Augest.  I am twenty nine and i have panic disorder and ocd sinc the age of 11.  I was on zoloft fot eight years and recently weaned myself off to try and go it alone.  A week ago all my symptoms returned and I have been having attacks 24/7 since then.  I am so despondent.  I had to drop my online college course, put my part time job on hold and delay my business I’m working on starting.  All I can do is have attacks.  I’m waiting for the zoloft to kick in, but I feel like a failure for having to go back on it.  I have a feeling  I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life if I am going to be able to function.  I am so sad.  Was I stupid to try and go it alone?  Has anyone else tried and failed?  Please write to me, as I need someone to talk to who understands. Always, Augest

Oh yeah, I am dealing with this right now.  Putting the job on hold, med changes, etc.  Actually, I did try to wean myself off of my AD a couple of times and not with good results.  You are not a failure because you need medication.  Would someone call I diabetic a failure?  No.  You are going to be fine.  If you need your medication, there is nothing wrong at all with it. Good Luck, Vicki

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Hi Everyone, my name is Augest.  I am twenty nine and i have panic disorder and ocd sinc the age of 11.  I was on zoloft fot eight years and recently weaned myself off to try and go it alone.  A week ago all my symptoms returned and I have been having attacks 24/7 since then.  I am so despondent.  I had to drop my online college course, put my part time job on hold and delay my business I’m working on starting.  All I can do is have attacks.  I’m waiting for the zoloft to kick in, but I feel like a failure for having to go back on it.

Hi Augest! You could take a benzodiazepine such as Xanax for your current panic attacks until the Zoloft kicks in. Bet you wouldn’t feel like a failure if you had to go back on  a blood pressure or diabetes med. You might be disappointed, but you wouldn’t feel like a failure. I have a feeling  I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life if I am going to be able to function.

You never know. At this point in time, you have to go back on. I am so sad.  Was I stupid to try and go it alone?  Has anyone else tried and failed?  Please write to me, as I need someone to talk to who understands.

I’ve tried to discontinue meds for panic disorder and depression on several occasions, but find I do best on a combo of Zoloft, desipramine, and Klonopin. Otherwise I start having panic attacks when driving on the freeway and start getting depressed. I’ve been on Zoloft for 10 years, desipramine for about 5 years, and Klonopin for 16 years. I have tried to discontinue all of these meds on one or more occasions and found I needed to stay on them. I think it’s a good idea to try to see how one does off a med from time to time. Also I have always tried to get down to the minimal effective dose for every med I’m on. Always, Augest

Take care (((Augest))) Chip  

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I think it’s a good idea to try to see how one does off a med from time to time. Also I have always tried to get down to the minimal effective dose for every med I’m on. Take care (((Augest))) Chip  

I think you are right, Chip.  A minimal dose is best. I sometimes wonder what this drug is doing to my body longterm which is why I wanted off. I’m taking xanax as I wait for the zoloft to kick in, but it is not working as effectiely as it used to in combating the panic attacks.  I wish I knew why.  Used to be I’d take one pill and sleep like a baby, now it barely effects me.  I guess I’m in for a lot of long nights ahead. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Augest

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I think it’s a good idea to try to see how one does off a med from time to time. Also I have always tried to get down to the minimal effective dose for every med I’m on. I think you are right, Chip.  A minimal dose is best. I sometimes wonder what this drug is doing to my body longterm which is why I wanted off.

That’s understandable. Don’t forget about the adverse effects untreated long term anxiety and depression can have on the body. To say nothing of all the suffering. I’m taking xanax as I wait for the zoloft to kick in, but it is not working as effectiely as it used to in combating the panic attacks.  I wish I knew why.

Maybe when the Zoloft was in effect, you needed less Xanax for anxiety relief. Currently your baseline anxiety level is way up, so you need more Xanax. That should change once the Zoloft kicks in. Used to be I’d take one pill and sleep like a baby, now it barely effects me.  I guess I’m in for a lot of long nights ahead.

I’d use the Xanax in generous enough doses to knock the anxiety level way down and block panic attacks untill the Zoloft kicks in. Chip

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Hi Augest, I’ve been where  you are now. I tried lowering my Zoloft dose a few times to see if I still needed it.  The panic attacks did return at the lower dose. Your body is adjusting to the Zoloft now and that may be adding to your anxiety.  How much Zoloft are you starting at ?  Your "ride" may be smoother if you gradually go up in 50 mg increments every 2 weeks.  If you’re in a hurry and can "tough it out", then maybe you can go up in higher doses.  Follow your doctor’s directions and keep him/her updated. Maybe you need a benzo like clonazepam or xanax to relieve your anxiety right now. Tell your doc how you’re feeling and see what he/she recommends. Take it easy :  ) Tony

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Maybe you need a benzo like clonazepam or xanax to relieve your anxiety right now. Tell your doc how you’re feeling and see what he/she recommends. Take it easy :  ) Tony

Hi Tony, I got the xanax, but it isn’t as effective on me as it used to be.  I’m trying to tough this out.  I’m hoping I can keep my zoloft levels low.  I started at 50mg two days ago.  I can feel the zoloft trying to work, but there just isn’t enough of it in my system yet to be effective.  My doctor said the same thing as you, to increase in two weeks.  I’m going to do that.  I’d like to stay under my old dose of 100mg though.  I didn’t like the side effects.  We’ll see what happens.  Thanks for the support. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Augest

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Hi Tony, I got the xanax, but it isn’t as effective on me as it used to be.  I’m trying to tough this out.  I’m hoping I can keep my zoloft levels low.  I started at 50mg two days ago.  I can feel the zoloft trying to work, but there just isn’t enough of it in my system yet to be effective.  My doctor said the same thing as you, to increase in two weeks.  I’m going to do that.  I’d like to stay under my old dose of 100mg though.  I didn’t like the side effects.  We’ll see what happens.  Thanks for the support. Augest

Hi Augest, I’d hate to throw a monkey wrench into your progress but I have made the switch from Zoloft to Effexor XR because it seemed that Zoloft had stopped working after about 6 years.  This probably won’t happen to you.  I may have just been completely burned out from constant stress at work for many years.  Anyway, I have found that Effexor XR is a very smooth med, does not mute my emotions and doesn’t have sexual side effects. That’s my case, it may not be the same for you.  For instance, I initially went from Zoloft to Lexapro and was incredibly tired all the time from the Lexapro.  You may fare well on Lexapro. Effexor XR is an SNRI (Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor). Good luck with the Zoloft.  100 mg was my therapeutic dose although I did have some success at 50 mg when my stress levels were low. Tony

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I am starting welbutrin sr and need to know what to expect. I am bi-polar/mood swings/OCD/major panic attacks, and I am obsessive about what meds will do to me. Then I panic once I take them, and It is just a bad circle of needing meds/ being afraid of meds.I have been on different meds in the past, but have been off them for a while(except xanax, I keep that around just in case a panick attack). Any info on what I should expect with wellbutrin sr would be great….Mary

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I am starting welbutrin sr and need to know what to expect. I am bi-polar/mood swings/OCD/major panic attacks, and I am obsessive about what meds will do to me. Then I panic once I take them, and It is just a bad circle of needing meds/ being afraid of meds.I have been on different meds in the past, but have been off them for a while(except xanax, I keep that around just in case a panick attack). Any info on what I should expect with wellbutrin sr would be great….Mary

– I’ve heard that is one of the more stimulating ones – so if you are anxiety prone, you might get more anxious with this one – but I have not tried it myself.  For bipolar, lithium with some long-term benzo seems to be a first choice, or tegratol, or Valproate.  I used to take Xanax for panic but I think i had the panic from too high a Synthroid dose.  I only take it now very rarely but my Synthroid has been reduced since then about 40%. Squiggles

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It seems to me that that Wellbutrin is not the best choice for someone with your conditions.  I’m only going on memory of the many posts here by other members and various links supplied also.  I took Wellbutrin and was suffering from mood swings.  I ended up hypomanic and had to stop. Well, I’m not the word of God about this.  Just check into it. Good luck. Carrie ;o)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am starting welbutrin sr and need to know what to expect. I am bi-polar/mood swings/OCD/major panic attacks, and I am obsessive about what meds will do to me. Then I panic once I take them, and It is just a bad circle of needing meds/ being afraid of meds.I have been on different meds in the past, but have been off them for a while(except xanax, I keep that around just in case a panick attack). Any info on what I should expect with wellbutrin sr would be great….Mary

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I am starting welbutrin sr and need to know what to expect. I am bi-polar/mood swings/OCD/major panic attacks, and I am obsessive about what meds will do to me. Then I panic once I take them, and It is just a bad circle of needing meds/ being afraid of meds.I have been on different meds in the past, but have been off them for a while(except xanax, I keep that around just in case a panick attack). Any info on what I should expect with wellbutrin sr would be great….Mary

As always, the effects depend on the individual, and I am not a medical pro. However, I am ramping up on Wellbutrin myself.  Your results may vary, especially since I am very responsive to any neuro drug I can find (one drink gives me a buzz, one cup of coffee wakes me right up, one dose of Benadril makes me a zombie for 24 hours) Wellbutrin claims to be very low on side effects (it claims to be one of the few ADs that rarely cause sexual side effects).  The only ones I have noticed from personal experience are diminished appetite and weight loss, which are fine since I’m overweight to begin with.  BTW, that’s why anorexia and bulimia are contraindications. The other big contraindication is alcohol.  Stay completely dry while on Wellbutrin.  Alcohol may interfere with other ADs, but with Wellbutrin it can cause seizures.  If you can be (or already are) a teatotaller, this should be no problem for you. My prescriber is also trying to find an antianxiety med that I can tolerate (I have nasty side effects with Effexor and Celexa), so I’m guessing that Wellbutrin isn’t itself an antianxiety.  But for me, it is good at treating depression.  I sensed immediate results during the first week at the 50mg/day level (standard therepudic dose is 300 mg/day).  Again, I am likely _very_ responsive to Wellbutrin, so you may have to wait several weeks at a higher dose. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPIUmCkdroV5D+kXPEQJumQCgrRN47bk6RWTmoZnHmLKB2l4LmoEAnR58 AC1BP8lgKRyh8WCV6ON+kh19 =08UA —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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A new study found that patient complaints of sexual dysfunction caused by antidepressants are almost two times greater than believed by physicians, according to a report presented at the American Psychiatric Association’s annual meeting. Researchers studied 6,297 patients enrolled at 1,101 primary care offices throughout the U.S. and evaluated 10 different new generation antidepressants. Although selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and serotonin and norephinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs) are associated with a higher rate of sexual dysfunction, newer antidepressants such as bupropion (Wellbutrin) and nefazodone have shown a lower incidence of the problem. "The SSRIs are known to cause sexual dysfunction as a side effect, but until now, there hasn’t been a study to look at all the new generation antidepressants to see how they compare," said Dr. Anita Clayton, associate professor and vice chair of the Department of Psychiatric Medicine at the University of Virginia and lead investigator of the study. "Physicians and patients are generally reluctant to talk about sexual problems. Therefore, physicians often underestimate the prevalence of antidepressant-associated sexual dysfunction and the impact on patients, as shown in this study." Wellbutrin SR (bupropion HCI) Sustained-Release was associated with the lowest rate of sexual dysfunction (25 percent) after Wellbutrin (bupropion HCI) (22 percent), compared with an average of 40 percent with the SSRIs venlafaxine (Effexor) and mirtazapine (Remeron). The prevalence rate of sexual dysfunction ranged from 7 percent of patients receiving Wellbutrin SR to 23 to 30 percent for patients receiving the other antidepressants, including fluoxetine (Prozac), citalopram (Celexa) and venlafaxine XR. This article is brought to you by the "Depression Week" online newsletter. This newletter presents the latest news and views on developments in Depression, it is one of a family of specialized medical newsletters brought to you by Medical Week, LLC. http://www.depressionweek.org/

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I went on 50mgd Zoloft 3 monthes ago and it has helped me.  Before I went on I had no energy of any kind, sexual or otherwise.  Now I’m back to my oldself.  I guess it just depends upon the person. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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message : I hadn’t been able to do any of those things for a long time, because : I didn’t have enough motor control. : : A great side effect of going on the high fat Atkins diet was that, : coupled with the effect I had already achieved by drinking about a : gallon of water a day, my neuro muscular symptoms have cleared up : considerably. Try putting on mascara with your hand waving in front of : your eyes, or applying nail polish with a spastic hand. It doesn’t : work too well. : : I have been urged by people to get tested for Parkinson’s and for : Multiple Sclerosis for years because of  the increasing pain and : frustration of these problems. Benign Essential Tremor, which runs : through my family, didn’t seem to be the source for all that I went : through, especially when my legs started deteriorating. A few weeks : ago The Joy of My Life was teasing me and took my cane away from me, : (that I didn’t need all the time, but had had to pull out that one day : because of pain) saying I didn’t need it. I asked him was he going to : take my wheelchair away from me, too, when it came to that, and : thought to myself, was it really going to have to come to that? It was : then I started looking into the Atkins Diet, because I had read : somewhere that research had been done about ketogenic diets : (high fat consumption that send a body into benign ketosis, or fat : burning, state) making a great difference in the symptoms of epileptic : children, and in some with sclerosis or Parkinson’s. I decided to go : on the diet. : : Well, it’s been working. Not only the weight loss (as I’ve mentioned : elsewhere, 30 pounds) but my muscle control is up considerably and the : pain is a lot less (pretty much gone if I make sure I am drinking : enough water as well). I am able to exercise again, lightly, and hope : to go up to moderate exercise this week. I was able to cut my own hair : last week, have been able to apply eye makeup in 20 seconds, instead : of twenty minutes, and gave myself a manicure and pedicure for the : first time in many years tonight. It’s a really good feeling. : : Sometimes I wonder how much muscle tone I can get back into my legs, : but I’m trying not to get impatient about it. There’s a lot of things : to rebuild. Right now, I think it’s just time to go to bed. Goodnight, : all. : : Sandra :  ((((((Sandra)))))) how blessed you must feel! wishing you continued success, your strength of determination is what i need a little of… good night, donna —     the only baggage you can bring        is all that you can’t leave behind

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I hadn’t been able to do any of those things for a long time, because I didn’t have enough motor control. A great side effect of going on the high fat Atkins diet was that, coupled with the effect I had already achieved by drinking about a gallon of water a day, my neuro muscular symptoms have cleared up considerably. Try putting on mascara with your hand waving in front of your eyes, or applying nail polish with a spastic hand. It doesn’t work too well. I have been urged by people to get tested for Parkinson’s and for Multiple Sclerosis for years because of  the increasing pain and frustration of these problems. Benign Essential Tremor, which runs through my family, didn’t seem to be the source for all that I went through, especially when my legs started deteriorating. A few weeks ago The Joy of My Life was teasing me and took my cane away from me, (that I didn’t need all the time, but had had to pull out that one day because of pain) saying I didn’t need it. I asked him was he going to take my wheelchair away from me, too, when it came to that, and thought to myself, was it really going to have to come to that? It was then I started looking into the Atkins Diet, because I had read somewhere that research had been done about ketogenic diets (high fat consumption that send a body into benign ketosis, or fat burning, state) making a great difference in the symptoms of epileptic children, and in some with sclerosis or Parkinson’s. I decided to go on the diet. Well, it’s been working. Not only the weight loss (as I’ve mentioned elsewhere, 30 pounds) but my muscle control is up considerably and the pain is a lot less (pretty much gone if I make sure I am drinking enough water as well). I am able to exercise again, lightly, and hope to go up to moderate exercise this week. I was able to cut my own hair last week, have been able to apply eye makeup in 20 seconds, instead of twenty minutes, and gave myself a manicure and pedicure for the first time in many years tonight. It’s a really good feeling. Sometimes I wonder how much muscle tone I can get back into my legs, but I’m trying not to get impatient about it. There’s a lot of things to rebuild. Right now, I think it’s just time to go to bed. Goodnight, all. Sandra

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Then I decided that this was a legitimate attempt by a well meaning person to provide a new product, and at the same time…make an honest living.

 Your sarcasm was appropriate…you were spammed…the kind of people who fall for this MLM crap tend to let themselves be brainwashed into believing what they claim. Check this out… http://www.worldwidescam.com/ http://www.quackwatch.com/

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God dang Keith! After looking at those links you put my mind to rest…thanks! Well, you know, she did ADMIT that it was MLM, and….she was chicken to give me the company name. That was some of what got me fired up in the first place. And on top of that, she HAD to have gotten my name out of this support group! I suspect she lurked here, and noticed that I have a big mouth, and decided if she could win me over, then  she could "clean up" at the expense of the group members. And THAT is what brought out the rattlesnake in my personality!! Thanks again friend, Mark <somewhere in the deep south bible belt just north of the catholic zone – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then I decided that this was a legitimate attempt by a well meaning person to provide a new product, and at the same time…make an honest living.  Your sarcasm was appropriate…you were spammed…the kind of people who fall for this MLM crap tend to let themselves be brainwashed into believing what they claim. Check this out… http://www.worldwidescam.com/ http://www.quackwatch.com/

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  Hello:  Hello Who?? You send me e mail and you dont even know my  name? *Tip- People will usually buy something if you say their  favorite word…that being, their name. Remember this. I retired  a rich man due to my gift of salesmanship. If you received this post previously, I apologize for the intrusion.

 Ok, here….you start out apologizing. Not good. You admit that  there is an aspect of incompetence in your record keeping. You   admit you dont even know who you have been contacting. I  would rethink this also. *Tip- You MUST come up with a way  to incorporate first names. I represent a Network Marketing company that just came out with a natural alternative to Prozac, L-5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan).

 Ok, very nice and semi-impressive. Big Word, and an abbreviation  combined with the number five. Is that the significant molecular  combination….or just a cool marketing number. *Tip- I would  recommend a double digit number. It sounds more potent. Possibly  thirty-seven. Also, are you ashamed of the name of your company, or are planning an illegal activity and I am your target? L-5-HTP is a metabolite of tryptophan; a natural plant extract that raises serotonin levels in the brain without the harmful side effects of pharmaceutical antidepressants like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, etc.

 I would never accept this statement without personal research. And also,  natural extracts are indeed chemical elements, and can have just as  significant a reaction to the body, or dangerous interaction with other  medicines as prescription varieties. Once something "natural" is extracted,  then it is no longer "natural".  It relieves depression, anxiety/panic disorders, OCD, migraine headaches, insomnia, eating disorders, PMS, violent or aggressive tendencies,alcoholism, fibromyalgia, and more.

 What about male pattern baldness, La Nina regional drought, irregular  tire-tread wear, feline rebellion, bikini tan-lines, and poor cable  reception?  *Tip- the intelligent reader might find this somewhat exploitive by its  probable exaggeration. The less intelligent reader would like to hear about  genital enlargement properties. It is being used with great success by healthcare professionals

worldwide.  Ok. Tip time again. *If you are going to make such a claim, then why didn’t  you go ahead and list references? Such is standard practice by persons  who are both professional and sincere. Maybe you are otherwise?  If not, then name the "worldwide" healthcare professionals rushing to   advocate it. If you would like me to mail you a brochure and more information, I would be happy to send it to you.

 Scaaaary! You found me by e mail didn’t you? Then why not make the  information available the same way. Could it be….that you would like  to have my home address? Would you like to give me yours? How detestible is this? Uh…Very! Sincerely,

 I’m not so sure about that right now. Linda Hoffman

 I wouldnt mind an e mailed copy of the abstract.

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The following discourse is an example of how I started out thinking I was being "spammed" and someone anonymous was trying to get my address. Then I conjected that everyone in the group got this message, and was being exploited.     Then I decided that this was a legitimate attempt by a well meaning person to provide a new product, and at the same time…make an honest living.     Now I dont know what the hell to think, and I feel like an asshole for being so sarcastic.    My need right now is to tell you that my moods are swinging pretty far, and I am uncomfortable in my own skin. One minute I have almost uncontrollable aggression, then I have remorse. Then I have uncertaintly as to which one is appropriate.     How do you spell, "chill pill"? Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello:  Hello Who?? You send me e mail and you dont even know my  name? *Tip- People will usually buy something if you say their  favorite word…that being, their name. Remember this. I retired  a rich man due to my gift of salesmanship. If you received this post previously, I apologize for the intrusion.  Ok, here….you start out apologizing. Not good. You admit that  there is an aspect of incompetence in your record keeping. You   admit you dont even know who you have been contacting. I  would rethink this also. *Tip- You MUST come up with a way  to incorporate first names. I represent a Network Marketing company that just came out with a natural alternative to Prozac, L-5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan).  Ok, very nice and semi-impressive. Big Word, and an abbreviation  combined with the number five. Is that the significant molecular  combination….or just a cool marketing number. *Tip- I would  recommend a double digit number. It sounds more potent. Possibly  thirty-seven. Also, are you ashamed of the name of your company, or are planning an illegal activity and I am your target? L-5-HTP is a metabolite of tryptophan; a natural plant extract that raises serotonin levels in the brain without the harmful side effects of pharmaceutical antidepressants like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, etc.  I would never accept this statement without personal research. And also,  natural extracts are indeed chemical elements, and can have just as  significant a reaction to the body, or dangerous interaction with other  medicines as prescription varieties. Once something "natural" is extracted,  then it is no longer "natural".  It relieves depression, anxiety/panic disorders, OCD, migraine headaches, insomnia, eating disorders, PMS, violent or aggressive tendencies,alcoholism, fibromyalgia, and more.  What about male pattern baldness, La Nina regional drought, irregular  tire-tread wear, feline rebellion, bikini tan-lines, and poor cable  reception?  *Tip- the intelligent reader might find this somewhat exploitive by its  probable exaggeration. The less intelligent reader would like to hear about  genital enlargement properties. It is being used with great success by healthcare professionals worldwide.  Ok. Tip time again. *If you are going to make such a claim, then why didn’t  you go ahead and list references? Such is standard practice by persons  who are both professional and sincere. Maybe you are otherwise?  If not, then name the "worldwide" healthcare professionals rushing to   advocate it. If you would like me to mail you a brochure and more information, I would be happy to send it to you.  Scaaaary! You found me by e mail didn’t you? Then why not make the  information available the same way. Could it be….that you would like  to have my home address? Would you like to give me yours? How detestible is this? Uh…Very! Sincerely,  I’m not so sure about that right now. Linda Hoffman  I wouldnt mind an e mailed copy of the abstract.

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Writing is a good way to vent, what I sometimes do, …is saving the post to be sent later. I reread them a short time later, edit them to be softer if need be …then send if I still want to respond. I’ve been enjoying your posts, but more because I’m learning about you than seeing the conflicts unfold. Stay relaxed friend, Garland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following discourse is an example of how I started out thinking I was being "spammed" and someone anonymous was trying to get my address. Then I conjected that everyone in the group got this message, and was being exploited.     Then I decided that this was a legitimate attempt by a well meaning person to provide a new product, and at the same time…make an honest living.     Now I dont know what the hell to think, and I feel like an asshole for being so sarcastic.    My need right now is to tell you that my moods are swinging pretty far, and I am uncomfortable in my own skin. One minute I have almost uncontrollable aggression, then I have remorse. Then I have uncertaintly as to which one is appropriate.     How do you spell, "chill pill"? Mark Hello:  Hello Who?? You send me e mail and you dont even know my  name? *Tip- People will usually buy something if you say their  favorite word…that being, their name. Remember this. I retired  a rich man due to my gift of salesmanship. If you received this post previously, I apologize for the intrusion.  Ok, here….you start out apologizing. Not good. You admit that  there is an aspect of incompetence in your record keeping. You   admit you dont even know who you have been contacting. I  would rethink this also. *Tip- You MUST come up with a way  to incorporate first names. I represent a Network Marketing company that just came out with a natural alternative to Prozac, L-5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan).  Ok, very nice and semi-impressive. Big Word, and an abbreviation  combined with the number five. Is that the significant molecular  combination….or just a cool marketing number. *Tip- I would  recommend a double digit number. It sounds more potent. Possibly  thirty-seven. Also, are you ashamed of the name of your company, or are planning an illegal activity and I am your target? L-5-HTP is a metabolite of tryptophan; a natural plant extract that raises serotonin levels in the brain without the harmful side effects of pharmaceutical antidepressants like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, etc.  I would never accept this statement without personal research. And also,  natural extracts are indeed chemical elements, and can have just as  significant a reaction to the body, or dangerous interaction with other  medicines as prescription varieties. Once something "natural" is extracted,  then it is no longer "natural".  It relieves depression, anxiety/panic disorders, OCD, migraine headaches, insomnia, eating disorders, PMS, violent or aggressive tendencies,alcoholism, fibromyalgia, and more.  What about male pattern baldness, La Nina regional drought, irregular  tire-tread wear, feline rebellion, bikini tan-lines, and poor cable  reception?  *Tip- the intelligent reader might find this somewhat exploitive by its  probable exaggeration. The less intelligent reader would like to hear about  genital enlargement properties. It is being used with great success by healthcare professionals worldwide.  Ok. Tip time again. *If you are going to make such a claim, then why didn’t  you go ahead and list references? Such is standard practice by persons  who are both professional and sincere. Maybe you are otherwise?  If not, then name the "worldwide" healthcare professionals rushing to   advocate it. If you would like me to mail you a brochure and more information, I would be happy to send it to you.  Scaaaary! You found me by e mail didn’t you? Then why not make the  information available the same way. Could it be….that you would like  to have my home address? Would you like to give me yours? How detestible is this? Uh…Very! Sincerely,  I’m not so sure about that right now. Linda Hoffman  I wouldnt mind an e mailed copy of the abstract.

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Audrey– Ditto— until I cut out the aspartame- and started the vitamins ect– I was the world’s worst…. now– I have about an evening– and then I am pretty equananimous (sp)… no offense taken Richie

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LOL– well I forget that sometimes people don’t know what gender I am….. no offense taken– but with a DD in the boob department- ya bet I am all female— <<g ( I am thrilled to report that they are getting smaller though!!) Knowing what to do for ourselves and doing it are two different things– I am rushing headlong into TOM and noticeing( sp) that my temper is flaring— now where did I put those ruddy supplements…… I get mail that is  "Mr" all the time– infact in the early 70’s I even got a draft notice from uncle sam– my mom called and they decided I didn’t need to take the physical…..lol richie who is fighting TOM  tooth and nail— I want to see that first 50 GONE

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I think I’m going to down a gallon of chamomile tea, just to get rid of the stress of never knowing these days when TOM is going to show up. Hasn’t been around for almost a year, and 2 weeks into lcing, here it is! Anyone got any magic potions for keeping it away? I liked it gone! LOL! (Yeah, I know…the most magic of all potions–getting a little bit older and it’ll stay gone permanently <grin). CAT 248/237/135

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS : worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage : oil– good helpers– : and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you. : Richie no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have no way to understand what we’re talking about here… Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some success with certain supplements… audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke Actually Richie is a girl, and she is also correct about the chamomile tea. Chamomile helps with my cramps and lessens the pain. Also I stay away from caffeine while on TOM because they make my symptoms about 10 times worse…. Tricia "Rae" 158/142/120 There is only one success – to be able to spend your life in your own way.      ~~ Anonymous~~

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Thanks, Tammy, I know all about that, since I’ve been using ibuprofen (specifically Motrin 800 mg.) for over 13 years. I was more concerned with the damage to my kidneys, since it can also cause damage there. By the way, have you read any of the new research that has found ulcers to be caused by bacteria, rather than stress and/or medications, and cured with the use of both acid reducers and antibiotics? This doesn’t really apply to ulcers caused by overuse of NSAIDs, but it was of interest to me, since the last ulcer I had was treated by my doctor with anti-stress meds (over 20 years ago). CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article et, I’ve just about lived on Motrin for over 15 years, and I think as long as you take it with food, it’s not particular about what kind of food. Unless I’m mistaken, you just need something in your stomach when you take it to keep it from boring a hole through your stomach lining, and any kind of food will work, so wouldn’t necessarily have to be bread or milk. Meat should work, too, I’d think. At least it does for me. The father of a friend of my daughter’s just spent 2 days in the hospital and lost four pints of blood (and nearly died) to a bleeding ulcer……the culprit?  Ibuprophin.  He was taking 3 at a time for back pain, often on an empty stomach and sometimes taking aspirin as well.  Just a word of warning to be careful with the long time use or overuse of any NSAIDs. Tammy PP since 7/8/98 212/196/138 (or size 12, whichever comes first)  bf 49.5/49/23% (had to change my stats now that I’ve got my new Tanita Scale I’ll take a double bacon cheeseburger with no bun please.

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LOL! I got one of those, too, richie, from having my h.s. transcript listed under my initials instead of full name (V.J.B., instead of Victoria J.)…but the idiots at the draft board, in their infinite wisdom, made me go all the way to the induction center for the physical!!! Of course, being the only female in the middle of about 70 guys on the bus (and then more than 500 at the center) made for a very interesting day trip up to Amarillo! LOL! CAT

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -LOL– well I forget that sometimes people don’t know what gender I am….. no offense taken– but with a DD in the boob department- ya bet I am all female— <<g ( I am thrilled to report that they are getting smaller though!!) Knowing what to do for ourselves and doing it are two different things– I am rushing headlong into TOM and noticeing( sp) that my temper is flaring— now where did I put those ruddy supplements…… I get mail that is  "Mr" all the time– infact in the early 70’s I even got a draft notice from uncle sam– my mom called and they decided I didn’t need to take the physical…..lol richie who is fighting TOM  tooth and nail— I want to see that first 50 GONE

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Richie – I’m SOOOO sorry!!  Guess you do get that a lot. Just makes me nuts when guys – even well-intentioned ones – try to give me advice on problems like these I’ve been using ibuprofen since before it was available OTC for cramps – still use 600mg  most of the time, too, and that’s not something that feels worse these days… It’s the irritability, mood swings & bloating. I’ve actually added some legal 15-ish g. treats lately because my life is very stressful at the moment and it just helps – maybe I need to time those!  (our house is for sale…dealing with being neat & clean & showable 24×7 is the worst…especially for someone who works 40+ hours a week outside of the house, as well as all that needs doing inside!) Past couple months, after adding some extra carb treats & watching the calendar, I’ve noticed I lose 2-3 lbs. right after my TOM, and then stop losing no matter waht for the 10-14 days preceeding & during.  Soon as it’s done, whoosh, 2 more lbs. down… This time I’ll try some more legal treats and some strong chamomile tea!  Glad I don’t have to live with me audrey 170/143/130?

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Victoria, I’ve just about lived on Motrin for over 15 years, and I think as long as you take it with food, it’s not particular about what kind of food. Unless I’m mistaken, you just need something in your stomach when you take it to keep it from boring a hole through your stomach lining, and any kind of food will work, so wouldn’t necessarily have to be bread or milk. Meat should work, too, I’d think. At least it does for me. CAT 248/237/135

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi there,    When I have my TOM, I have to take motrin to reduce the awful cramps and the Motrin doesn’t work well unless I take it with food.  In the middle of the night I run into problems, because for years I have taken it with milk and bread.  I am at day 60 of Atkins, have lost 20 pounds, and don’t want my weight loss to stall.  I hear about Wasa crackers- are they low in carb? Maybe that would be an idea? Victoria 192-172-150 lc since 7-8-98

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For cramps, however, I would mix 1 tsp chamomile with 1 tsp catnip, let that steep for 10 minutes…and if that doesn’t work, try valerian.

Ack! valerian root smells like perfumed manure! The cats love it, though.  I give them some when they get too rowdy at night. Personally, I’ll stick with ibuprofen for the cramps. I’d need a damned strong herb to put a dent in them. (and in my experience, a name brand like Motrin or Advil dissolves and starts working at least a half hour faster than cheap generic ibuprofen….must be the coatings and fillers) —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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I agree with you, Jamie, although for my arthritis, I’ve even given up on Advil. Now I take 800mg Motrin, and I usually take 3-4 of them at a time.

I’ve had almost no arthritis symptoms since lowcarbing, but I generally went for naproxen when I did, (despite its tendency to bore holes in a stomach less than full). —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Hi there,     When I have my TOM, I have to take motrin to reduce the awful cramps and the Motrin doesn’t work well unless I take it with food.  In the middle of the night I run into problems, because for years I have taken it with milk and bread.  I am at day 60 of Atkins, have lost 20 pounds, and don’t want my weight loss to stall.  I hear about Wasa crackers- are they low in carb? Maybe that would be an idea? Victoria 192-172-150 lc since 7-8-98

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS : worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage : oil– good helpers– : and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you.   : Richie no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have no way to understand what we’re talking about here… Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some success with certain supplements… audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

Actually Richie is a girl, and she is also correct about the chamomile tea. Chamomile helps with my cramps and lessens the pain. Also I stay away from caffeine while on TOM because they make my symptoms about 10 times worse…. Tricia "Rae" 158/142/120 There is only one success – to be able to spend your life in your own way.       ~~ Anonymous~~

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This PMS thing and low-carbing is driving me bananas!  After my induction period and a weight loss of 10 lbs, I regained 1 lb. – even while remaining low-carb and exercising 4x per week. I don’t want to sabatoge this thing, but the carbs are calling and my temper is flaring.  I’ve never had this problem before.  Heck, I used to swear I didn’t suffer from PMS. St. John’s Wort has been mentioned here a few times, but I’ve heard leary reports about it lately.  What else will help? Desperate AJ 250/240/150 (Sunday) 250/241/150 (today )

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Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage oil– good helpers– and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you.   Hope this helps Richie

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writes: Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here!

off this morning!) I just saw something on the news about calcium and PMS.  Heard it late to help me this month, but I’m going to try upping my calcium intake (supplements) for next couple of months and see if that helps.  I don’t really like this stranger living in my brain for over a week! Tammy PP since 7/8/98 212/196/138 (or size 12, whichever comes first)  bf 49.5/49/23% (had to change my stats now that I’ve got my new Tanita Scale I’ll take a double bacon cheeseburger with no bun please.

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: Aspartame– do you use it?  It and caffine are notorious culprits in making PMS : worse.. Add more B vitimins– especially b-6 and b-12– Evening primrose/borage : oil– good helpers– : and nothing like some cammomile tea to help relax you.   : Richie no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have no way to understand what we’re talking about here… Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some success with certain supplements… audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro…  (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

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: no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have Er…Richie’s a gal. =) : Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of : symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) I agree, chamomile has never helped me, but I was raised by a mom who believed Medication was the answer to everything and all herbal remedies have failed me. My body’s just too resisitant to the more subtle forms of healing. =) BUT I know lots of other girls for whom it works fine. : anyway, I was hoping to hear from some women who had some : success with certain supplements… Try the extra carbs. I waited until the week _after_ my TOM to start induction just because I suspected this might be a problem. I’m not a fan of taking supplements unless it’s a last resort. Of course, this is probably due to my theory "If you can solve a problem by eating, do so." Lydia 145/137/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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Audrey– A lot of us gals have problems with TOM…(a recent poster called it a visit from Aunt Flo. Loved that!). I’ve been on the pill and regular as clockwork for ten years. This WOE changed all that. Sometimes I’m early, sometimes I’m late. Usually the flow is heavier, whenever it arrives. I do need more carbs the week before (sometimes, but not as often, during). My solution: I allow myself 10-15g extra carbs for just as long as I need them. The trick is being honest with yourself when you need them. And make sure they’re "legal" carbs. I don’t allow myself "bad" carbs at all, even one or two animal crackers. I make sure the carbs are what I’d eat normally, just perhaps in higher quantity. Some other legal extra carb ideas: Wasa crackers with cream cheese and diabetic jam Iced coffee with extra cream and sweetener 1/2 c blueberries with a dash of cream 1/2 c cottage cheese with 1 T diabetic jam SF pudding made with cream and water You get the idea… =) Hope that helps. Lydia 145/137/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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I’ve been on the pill and regular as clockwork for ten years. This WOE changed all that. Sometimes I’m early, sometimes I’m late. Usually the flow is heavier, whenever it arrives.

Copy that.  My first month on Atkins I had my cycle for a month!!!  It’s coming at it’s normal time now, but way heavier then ever before. ~Jo 141/128/115

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I agree with you, Jamie, although for my arthritis, I’ve even given up on Advil. Now I take 800mg Motrin, and I usually take 3-4 of them at a time. CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For cramps, however, I would mix 1 tsp chamomile with 1 tsp catnip, let that steep for 10 minutes…and if that doesn’t work, try valerian. Ack! valerian root smells like perfumed manure! The cats love it, though.  I give them some when they get too rowdy at night. Personally, I’ll stick with ibuprofen for the cramps. I’d need a damned strong herb to put a dent in them. (and in my experience, a name brand like Motrin or Advil dissolves and starts working at least a half hour faster than cheap generic ibuprofen….must be the coatings and fillers) —  "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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: Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of : symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) I agree, chamomile has never helped me, but I was raised by a mom who believed Medication was the answer to everything and all herbal remedies have failed me. My body’s just too resisitant to the more subtle forms of healing. =)

Depends are you brewing it "medicinal" strength?  If not, it won’t work. 2 teaspoons (or 2 teabags) in 8 oz. water…let steep for 10 minutes. That’s medicinal strength herbal tea.  Anything else is just a nice drink. For cramps, however, I would mix 1 tsp chamomile with 1 tsp catnip, let that steep for 10 minutes…and if that doesn’t work, try valerian. Harriet 221/211/160 **Vegetarians eat vegetables….beware humanitarians** Remove ‘carbs’ for email reply

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: no offense, but if Richie is short for Richard, you really have Er…Richie’s a gal. =) : Chamomile tea doesn’t relax anyone suffering from these kinds of : symptoms.  Maybe tequila, but not tea.  ;-) I agree, chamomile has never helped me, but I was raised by a mom who believed Medication was the answer to everything and all herbal remedies have failed me. My body’s just too resisitant to the more subtle forms of healing. =)

Chamomile makes me relax!!!  I USED to have PMS and depression like mad before low-carb.  I was on zoloft for 2 years and since starting this WOL, I stopped zoloft cold turkey and started herbal supplements (primrose oil, etc.).  Now, only 2.5 weeks into low-carb, I feel better than I have in my life.  BTW, melatonin tea is a cozy bedtime treat : Wummin~ 201/196/150 Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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Audrey, I noticed the same thing about PMS now that I’m low carbing – much more intense, and seems to last a bit longer.   I’ve been on St. John’s Wort for months, including pre-low carb, so obviously that isn’t helping with PMS.  I started Evening Primrose Oil and Progest Creme recently, in the hopes that these will help. Barb

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Wummin, my doc tried me on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Effexor and finally Parnate, which is an MAOI and quite dangerous if taken with certain foods and/or other drugs. I finally–like you, against her advice–quit cold turkey and started using St. John’s Wort. That, combined with this WOE, has just about solved my problem with depression, from which I suffered since I was about 13. If I’d know all this then, I might have had a happier time as a teen. Of course, my grandmother is fond of telling me that IF frogs had wings, they wouldn’t hop and bump their tushes on the ground <grin. Live and learn… CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry guys, but you just won’t have on clue on this one! I’ve been doing the LC WOE since early April, and am happy with my progress, energy level, lack of cravings, etc. BUT, I am painfully aware every month that my PMS’y days are much worse than they used to be.  Mood swings, irritability, the whole nine yards. Today while sitting in my kid’s dentist office, I came across two different articles on natural PMS remedies, and both mentioned _increasing_ carb intake.  Hmmm…i thought, makes sense that would be the one thing I’ve noticed, negatively, in the last few months… Other "remedies" mentioned included St. John’s Wort, Evening Primrose Oil, and other stuff that I hadn’t really heard of… Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here! audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke Maybe I’m different, but I used to take zoloft before low-carbing, now I find I do not need it anymore with the new WOL.   Against the better advice of my doctor, I quit taking this med "cold turkey" and added herbals in replacement.   I have had no problems without the meds!  THANK YOU LOW CARB hahaha. I have spoken to a few people and according to them, St. John’s wort, zoloft or any herbal meds  won’t stall your weight loss, but YMMV.  I take evening primrose oil and (maybe) that’s what I think helps me do without the zoloft. If you can’t deal with the PMS symptoms, maybe you should try zoloft or some other form of relief..I understand how it is to deal with it…i did for several years, but since low-carbing, I’ve never felt better in my life…WITHOUT my zoloft. Wummin~ 201/196/150 Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry guys, but you just won’t have on clue on this one! I’ve been doing the LC WOE since early April, and am happy with my progress, energy level, lack of cravings, etc. BUT, I am painfully aware every month that my PMS’y days are much worse than they used to be.  Mood swings, irritability, the whole nine yards. Today while sitting in my kid’s dentist office, I came across two different articles on natural PMS remedies, and both mentioned _increasing_ carb intake.  Hmmm…i thought, makes sense that would be the one thing I’ve noticed, negatively, in the last few months… Other "remedies" mentioned included St. John’s Wort, Evening Primrose Oil, and other stuff that I hadn’t really heard of… Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here! audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro… (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

Maybe I’m different, but I used to take zoloft before low-carbing, now I find I do not need it anymore with the new WOL.   Against the better advice of my doctor, I quit taking this med "cold turkey" and added herbals in replacement.   I have had no problems without the meds!  THANK YOU LOW CARB hahaha. I have spoken to a few people and according to them, St. John’s wort, zoloft or any herbal meds  won’t stall your weight loss, but YMMV.  I take evening primrose oil and (maybe) that’s what I think helps me do without the zoloft. If you can’t deal with the PMS symptoms, maybe you should try zoloft or some other form of relief..I understand how it is to deal with it…i did for several years, but since low-carbing, I’ve never felt better in my life…WITHOUT my zoloft. Wummin~ 201/196/150 Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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Sorry guys, but you just won’t have on clue on this one! I’ve been doing the LC WOE since early April, and am happy with my progress, energy level, lack of cravings, etc. BUT, I am painfully aware every month that my PMS’y days are much worse than they used to be.  Mood swings, irritability, the whole nine yards. Today while sitting in my kid’s dentist office, I came across       two different articles on natural PMS remedies, and both mentioned _increasing_ carb intake.  Hmmm…i thought, makes sense that would be the one thing I’ve noticed, negatively, in the last few months… Other "remedies" mentioned included St. John’s Wort, Evening Primrose Oil, and other stuff that I hadn’t really heard of… Any of you out there having a similar problem, and found any "solution" other than just dealing with it?  I’m not into experimenting with herbal remedies that may interfere with my weight loss, so figured I’d ask here! audrey 170/143/130?        *  when the going gets weird, -dams at voicenet.com      *    the weird turn pro…  (remove ‘nospam’)         *         -raoul duke

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Hello, I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it. I’ve lowered my dosage to 5mg a day and the problems concentrating has mostly gone and the other problems aren’t as bad but are still there. Can I expect these side effects to go away with time? If so, how long? If they don’t go away, am I likely to have better luck with a different SSRI or to have the same problems? Also, I’m considering taking melatonin to help with sleeping. Does anyone have experience using melatonin with Zoloft? Steve

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I have tried many SSRI’s for my anxiety, and have not found one I am completely happy with yet.  I have consistently been on clonazepam, though, and it works wonderfully.  My doctor says the SSRI’s have different side effects for everyone…your individual brain’s biochemistry will determine how well each one works for you and how many side effects you encounter.  I am currently on Prozac, but it, like all the SSRI’s I have tried, have sexual side effects for me.  But certainly some have been much better than others. Sexual effects aside, Zoloft was by far the worst for me (I couldn’t stop tensing up, grinding my teeth, even on 1/2 of the lowest dosage) while Paxil had the best anxiolytic effects.  So my opinion would be to give it a shot. If the side effects remain, keep trying the other ones until you find one that works for you.

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Hi Steve, I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it.

It is very common to have a increase in anxiety while weaning on anti-depressants. I’ve lowered my dosage to 5mg a day and the problems concentrating has mostly gone and the other problems aren’t as bad but are still there. Can I expect these side effects to go away with time?

They should go away with time. It is hard to say how long you will have to put up with these side-effects. Ask your doctor for a scrpt for a benzo, such as Xanax, or Klonopin, it will help with these side-effects.  If so, how long? This varies from  person to person, but hopefully not more than a few weeks. If they don’t go away, am I likely to have better luck with a different SSRI or to have the same problems?

All anti-depressants can cause a increase in anxiety while weaning on them. It really is a normal,  and quite common to experience some side-effects while weaning on Ad`s. You could switch from Zoloft to Paxil, and find you have the same side-effects, or it is much worse on Paxil. No one can tell you how you will react on any medication, it is a matter of you getting on the med and seeing for yourself. Please don`t get discouraged, it does get better. Let me suggest instead of taking 25mgs of Zoloft, go to 12.5mgs, and do all your increases in 12.5mg increments, and stay at each increase for one week. You may find this helps lessen those side-effects you were feeling. We have a poster here that has had great success weaning on Zoloft in this manner. It can`t hurt to try. Unfortunately, sometimes to get better, we have to tolerate side-effects of certain meds, that will eventually help us. Also, I’m considering taking melatonin to help with sleeping. Does anyone have experience using melatonin with Zoloft?

I am not sure about the safety with taking Melatonin and Zoloft, so I can`t comment. If you are having problems with sleep, don`t take the Zoloft in the PM, take it in the AM. You could ask your doctor for a prescription for something to aid your sleep, Ambien from what I hear is good. Another option, and of course ask your doctor, is to take Benadryl, also known as "Diphenhydramine", it is a anti-histamine, but is quite a effective sleep aid. And is okay for long term use. Take care and hang in there, it will get better Jackie

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I just recently started taking Zoloft also and had some side effects, too.  I’ve been on it for about two weeks now and it seems to have gotten better.  I noticed Jackie mentioned to you that Ambien is good for sleep.  I take that also, and it knocks me out.  I started out on 10 mgs. and down to 5 mgs. because I was feeling groggy the next day from it.  I can sometimes now take 2.5 mgs. and still get a good night’s sleep. Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it. I’ve lowered my dosage to 5mg a day and the problems concentrating has mostly gone and the other problems aren’t as bad but are still there. Can I expect these side effects to go away with time? If so, how long? If they don’t go away, am I likely to have better luck with a different SSRI or to have the same problems? Also, I’m considering taking melatonin to help with sleeping. Does anyone have experience using melatonin with Zoloft? Steve

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Hello, I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it. I’ve lowered my dosage to 5mg a day and the problems concentrating has mostly gone and the other problems aren’t as bad but are still there.

Hey, how did you do that? Does Zoloft come in tabs of 10 mgs which you cut in two? I wasn’t aware of that. Can I expect these side effects to go away with time? If so, how long?

The lower you start and the slower you raise the dose, the lesser the SE’s. A benzo on the side is also helpful. Yes, these SE’s should go away but it’s difficult to say when. You might experience some every time you up the dose. You should give Zoloft a fair trial of eight weeks on therapeutic dosage. Side effects may well disappear before that time but as you wean on very slowly (which is *good*) it may take a while. If they don’t go away, am I likely to have better luck with a different SSRI or to have the same problems?

If after eight weeks on a therapeutic dose the SE’s haven’t gone away – but there’s no reason now to think they won’t – it might be a good idea to try another SSRI. It’s often done and it’s done quickly as you don’t have to wean off of one first before being able to get on the other one. But this is not the time to think of that. First give Zoloft a fair trial. Also, I’m considering taking melatonin to help with sleeping. Does anyone have experience using melatonin with Zoloft?

Melatonin doesn’t seem the first choice med for insomnia. Do you take your Zoloft in the evening? In that case you might want to try to take it in the morning which might help with your insomnia. If  insomnia is a product or symptom of PD it will get away when PD is treated properly. If you do need a med, try Ambien or Trazodone, I’d say IMO. Steve

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Hi Steve, I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it. It is very common to have a increase in anxiety while weaning on anti-depressants.

Jackie, Thanks for responding, but I think you misread my above post – I’m not feeling anxiety at all on Zoloft – it works great emotionally it just makes me feel physicaly ill.(as described above) Steve

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I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it. I’ve lowered my dosage to 5mg a day and the problems concentrating has mostly gone and the other problems aren’t as bad but are still there. Hey, how did you do that? Does Zoloft come in tabs of 10 mgs which you cut in two? I wasn’t aware of that.

The starter pack I got came with some 25mg pills which I quatered. (It wasn’t easy!) Can I expect these side effects to go away with time? If so, how long? The lower you start and the slower you raise the dose, the lesser the SE’s. A benzo on the side is also helpful. Yes, these SE’s should go away but it’s difficult to say when. You might experience some every time you up the dose. You should give Zoloft a fair trial of eight weeks on therapeutic dosage. Side effects may well disappear before that time but as you wean on very slowly (which is *good*) it may take a while.

I don’t understand how a benzo will help with headaches(?) I thought benzo’s only got rid of anxiety – the Zoloft has already done that. Please explain. Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it. I’ve lowered my dosage to 5mg a day and the problems concentrating has mostly gone and the other problems aren’t as bad but are still there. Hey, how did you do that? Does Zoloft come in tabs of 10 mgs which you cut in two? I wasn’t aware of that. The starter pack I got came with some 25mg pills which I quatered. (It wasn’t easy!) Can I expect these side effects to go away with time? If so, how long? The lower you start and the slower you raise the dose, the lesser the SE’s. A benzo on the side is also helpful. Yes, these SE’s should go away but it’s difficult to say when. You might experience some every time you up the dose. You should give Zoloft a fair trial of eight weeks on therapeutic dosage. Side effects may well disappear before that time but as you wean on very slowly (which is *good*) it may take a while. I don’t understand how a benzo will help with headaches(?) I thought benzo’s only got rid of anxiety – the Zoloft has already done that. Please explain. Steve

Ideally a benzo should also help with sleeping and the feeling of pressure in your head. You may not call them that but these are also anxiety symptoms. Philip

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Thanks for responding, but I think you misread my above post – I’m not feeling anxiety at all on Zoloft – it works great emotionally it just makes me feel physicaly ill.(as described above) Steve

Hi Steve, If it is not anxiety it is most definitly a side-effect of the Zoloft. It should pass with time. A benzo might help alleviate some of the symtpoms. Good Luck!! Jackie

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I started taking Zoloft last friday(25mg/day) and I’ve already started feeling more relaxed, but I’m getting some unpleasant side effects. I’m having problems concentrating & sleeping and my head feels heavy and as if an uncomfortable amount of presure was being applied to it.

<snipped Also, I’m considering taking melatonin to help with sleeping. Does anyone have experience using melatonin with Zoloft?

I took Melatonin with Zoloft with my doctors OK, but certainly discuss this with your doctor before deciding to do it. There are certainly other options out there that may be more beneficial for you. Ray

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I don’t understand how a benzo will help with headaches(?) I thought benzo’s only got rid of anxiety – the Zoloft has already done that. Ideally a benzo should also help with sleeping and the feeling of pressure in your head. You may not call them that but these are also anxiety symptoms.

Oh, I see. That’s interesting. I’ve never had those symptoms before taking zoloft. Steve

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I don’t understand how a benzo will help with headaches(?) I thought benzo’s only got rid of anxiety – the Zoloft has already done that. Ideally a benzo should also help with sleeping and the feeling of pressure in your head. You may not call them that but these are also anxiety symptoms. Oh, I see. That’s interesting. I’ve never had those symptoms before taking zoloft. Steve

I was going to ask about this…Since I went to 100 mg, I have had a pressure in my forehead at times…Not a headache, but the kind of feeling you get when you realize that you’ve been tightening your forehead for hours…I know this could be anxiety, but my anxiety has been much better and I haven’t had this before…It’s almost like the Zoloft has the front of my brain in overdrive now…What are the long term affects of these drugs anyway…Do they permanently alter brain chemistry?  I don’t feel different really, but I don’t want to find out when I’m done that I have permanent needs for these things… — Charles Phipps

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello All,    After starting Zoloft (100mg) 10 days ago I have been experiencing some uncomfortable side effects (nervousness, lightheadedness, irritability, etc.).  At this time, the Zoloft seems to be inducing panic attacks, not preventing them.  My doctor had warned me of this and advised me to "weather the storm" and give the meds a few weeks to take effect.  Has anyone experienced similar side effects with Zoloft (or other SSRIs)?  And, if so, how long did it take for these to subside?  I realize that everyone reacts differently to meds, but I’m  looking for some relief in the fact that I am not alone, and other people have shared similar experiences. Best Wishes for a Happy and Healthy New Year— Danno

Zoloft does indeed induce panic in the starting stages.  Many doctors realize this, and start the Zoloft at a very low dose, increasing it gradually over a period of months.  The starting dose can be as low as 12.5 mg every other day, working up to the therapeutic dose from there.  Another way of fighting the panic in the early stages of Zoloft is with a short-term prescription for Xanax or another benzodiazepine during the initial high-anxiety period.  If you are having trouble with the Zoloft, please suggest these ideas to your doctor. Hirsch address in header has been changed to avoid junk mail

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Hello All,         After starting Zoloft (100mg) 10 days ago I have been experiencing some uncomfortable side effects (nervousness, lightheadedness, irritability, etc.).  At this time, the Zoloft seems to be inducing panic attacks, not preventing them.  My doctor had warned me of this and advised me to "weather the storm" and give the meds a few weeks to take effect.  Has anyone experienced similar side effects with Zoloft (or other SSRIs)?  And, if so, how long did it take for these to subside?  I realize that everyone reacts differently to meds, but I’m  looking for some relief in the fact that I am not alone, and other people have shared similar experiences. Best Wishes for a Happy and Healthy New Year— Danno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello All,        After starting Zoloft (100mg) 10 days ago I have been experiencing some uncomfortable side effects (nervousness, lightheadedness, irritability, etc.).  At this time, the Zoloft seems to be inducing panic attacks, not preventing them.  My doctor had warned me of this and advised me to "weather the storm" and give the meds a few weeks to take effect.  Has anyone experienced similar side effects with Zoloft (or other SSRIs)?   And, if so, how long did it take for these to subside?  I realize that everyone reacts differently to meds, but I’m  looking for some relief in the fact that I am not alone, and other people have shared similar experiences. Best Wishes for a Happy and Healthy New Year— Danno

Hi Danno I just started taking Zoloft also.  My doctor started me out with 50mg and suggested that I take 1/2 for a while until I get used to it.  I experienced some side effects; nausea, diareah, anxiousness; but after a week I was able to increase my dosage to the full 50mg.  It has taken another week at the full dosage to feel O.K.  The side effects seem to be going away.  Now it’s time to see if it will really help me with my PA’s Good Luck, ttfn Kathy

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I have also recently started taking Zoloft and the same has happened to me.  My doctor also gave me the same advice.  At this point I am on 100mg and also taking xanex once a day.  I will continue this and see how it works.  I know how you feel but hang in there.

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