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Same thing for those getting meds from the Gummint, regardless of how.   Instead of insisting that the prices be kept low as in Mexico,

I doubt it’s an option to lower the costs to as low as they are in Mexico. If such a regulation were to be passed they’d just raise the price in Mexico to what’s being charged here and folks in Mexico would just have to do without. If you cut down the ability of a drug company to get return on investment too much you just won’t see any more investment and hence no more new drugs. Many drugs costs millions to develop and either never see the market or get pulled from the market within months due to newly discovered problems. If drug companies had it so easy everyone would own one. Don’t push too hard for the government to step in unless you want similar controls & interference with your industry too. — Don Elton Columbia, SC http://www.midcarolina.org

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I assume all the "alternative" treatment proponents on USenet will be totally against this petition since they mostly claim that they would be happy to operate under the same regulations as pharmaceutical companies

Well, I’d be against it.  Over the years I’ve found some companies that make a point of standardising their products.  Last thing I want is another layer or six of bureaucrats leeching off of these companies and justifying their expensive lifestyles by promulgating more regulations that will end by jacking up the prices of these products.   There are also a few independant companies that review alternative products and report on their findings publicly.  Of course, there are also those that are set up by fraudulent companies, but these are also reviewed by the public, and vituperated in the various newsgroups.  Much like it’s done here.  I trust the posters here a lot farther than some bureaucrat whose boss accepts money from pharmaceutical companies. Over all I like the current set up.  It’s inexpensive, and unconnected with the horrendously expensive medical-industrial combine–so far.   Is anybody really happy with the HMO situation?  I’m sure that the business people in the pharm industry are drooling over the thought of similarly dividing up the alternative health industry.

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I’m sure that the business people in the pharm industry are drooling over the thought of similarly dividing up the alternative health industry.

I have a co-pay for my meds…$15.00 for brand and $10.00 for generic.  I went to GNC to look at Chitosan for the heck of it and I believe the small bottle was $29.00 or $39.00.  I don’t see what is so cheap about that…alternative stuff is plenty expensive. In fact, I watched a documentary about death and dying.  Several people had turned to alternative products and were spending several hundred dollars *per month* on herbs and vitamins.  What a rip off… and by the way no one survived. Just because it’s touted as "safe and natural" sure doesn’t mean it’s inexpensive! Patrice

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Well, I’d be against it.  Over the years I’ve found some companies that make a point of standardising their products.  Last thing I want is another layer or six of bureaucrats leeching off of these companies and justifying their expensive lifestyles by promulgating more regulations that will end by jacking up the prices of these products.

But to what standard?  A year or so ago a local newspaper sent ’standardized’ herbal extracts to a lab for testing.  They discovered that these ’standardized’ extracts contained anywhere from 20% to 140% of what the manufacturers claimed.  There are also a few independant companies that review alternative products and report on their findings publicly.  Of course, there are also those that are set up by fraudulent companies, but these are also reviewed by the public, and vituperated in the various newsgroups.  Much like it’s done here.  I trust the posters here a lot farther than some bureaucrat whose boss accepts money from pharmaceutical companies. Over all I like the current set up.  It’s inexpensive, and unconnected with the horrendously expensive medical-industrial combine–so far.  

Then how can you trust companies that have worked very hard to get themselves excluded from just about all sort of laws protecting the medical consumer?  A McDonalds hamburger is subject to stricter regulations relating to food safety, purity and content. And of course it is inexpensive, it is always cheaper to skip the safety testing.  So what if you are using your customers as guinea pigs? I suggest that you use the same scepticism you apply towards real medicine when you look at the alternative crowd.   Is anybody really happy with the HMO situation?  I’m sure that the business people in the pharm industry are drooling over the thought of similarly dividing up the alternative health industry.

I just spent a couple of years under Kaiser HMO.  I was very satisfied with the care.  I found them to be very aggressive about preventative medicine and ensuring my asthma was under excellent control. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Just because it’s touted as "safe and natural" sure doesn’t mean it’s inexpensive!

Dosen’t mean that it is safe either.  Try to get somebody marketing ephedra products to give you an honest safety warning. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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 I have a co-pay for my meds…$15.00 for brand and $10.00 for generic.  I went to GNC to look at Chitosan

So you have a co pay?  What is the ‘real’ cost of your meds?  Your employer and ultimately you and the people in your insurance pool bear the cost of those meds by your fees.  How much more would be in your paycheck if it weren’t for the high fees charged by the medical industry and it’s bureaucratic overseers? Just because the cost is taken out of your wages before you see it so you "won’t feel it" doesn’t mean you’re not paying through the nose. Same thing for those getting meds from the Gummint, regardless of how.  Instead of insisting that the prices be kept low as in Mexico, our faithful legislators are fed re- election dollars by the pharm industries (can you smell the peanuts on their breath?)  so they can make billions charging higher prices for those on medicare, etc.  You and I pay for that, too.  And that’s taken out of your wages, too, before you can see it.   As a business owner, I can darn well see it. I don’t resent paying taxes and fica, but I sure do resent it when  big business pays off legislators to pass laws so they can suck up tax dollars that I have to pay. Rant.  Rave. I don’t see what is so cheap about that…alternative stuff is plenty expensive.

Yeah.  It can be.  You have to do your research.  Don’t know what chitosan is, but  some companies do charge way more than their stuff is worth.  And there are always vultures looking to make money off the dying. On that, I have to repeat, do your research.  I have found certain companies that produce inxpensive but effective compounds that I have patronised over the years.  I have befriended both a western traditional herb store owner where I live, and a Chinese herb shop owner in NYC.  I have read dozens of books over the years, as well as many articles on the internet.  Some people don’t or can’t spend the time and effort to do this, and they will remain the prey of the con man or the medical industry.  The alternative is to take greater responsibility for our health, as we are all here doing. If you think alternative meds are expensive now, wait till the medical industry controls it. Obsess.  Compulse. Good luck

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URGENT ALERT- EU VITAMIN DIRECTIVE VOTE TUESDAY- ACTION NEEDED NOW- MORE SIGNATURES NEEDED – forward widely & ACT NOW!

and ignore this attempt by Mr John Hammell (this "organisation" turns out to be one guy in Florida with a part time assistant) to persuade you that he has the interests of European consumers at heart it’s a pretty transparent attempt by sellers of dodgy treatments to avoid getting brought under regulations to prevent false advertising and poor quality control I assume all the "alternative" treatment proponents on USenet will be totally against this petition since they mostly claim that they would be happy to operate under the same regulations as pharmaceutical companies — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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Ditto! Yeah, wouldn’t it be awful if they had regulations making sure that my gingko pill isn’t actually rat poop? Honestly, I am afraid to buy supplements of any sort, because I have no idea what is in those pills.  The only exception is vitamins–i think those are relatively safe, but I still feel that I am playng russian roulette with those. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – URGENT ALERT- EU VITAMIN DIRECTIVE VOTE TUESDAY- ACTION NEEDED NOW- MORE SIGNATURES NEEDED – forward widely & ACT NOW! and ignore this attempt by Mr John Hammell (this "organisation" turns out to be one guy in Florida with a part time assistant) to persuade you that he has the interests of European consumers at heart it’s a pretty transparent attempt by sellers of dodgy treatments to avoid getting brought under regulations to prevent false advertising and poor quality control I assume all the "alternative" treatment proponents on USenet will be totally against this petition since they mostly claim that they would be happy to operate under the same regulations as pharmaceutical companies — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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You are in a catch 22 situation. Yes the oral steriod may be affecting your glaucoma but did you know that the medications that you are taking for the glaucoma may be worsening your asthma? Talk long & hard with a respiratory specialist. Which came first the prednisone or the glaucoma? Scott Oliver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28.Would anyone have had experiance with such a problem and how did you slove it.I am taking 3 different drops for my eyes and none of them seem to help as long as I am on the prednisone.The drops are Betoptic & Trusopt And a Liquid Gold Because of its price Xalatan.I seen m To be in a catch 22 position.I need the predisone as it really helps me with my breathing.But it is really raising my eye pressure.Any help or suggestions would be apprec- iated. Thanks In Advance Jack Rosenberg I can be reached at the E-mail Address above or at

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Please tell me the symptoms of glaucoma. I have been on inhaled steroids for the better part of 10 years. I have been having trouble with my eyes but I chalked that up to my age (49). Thanks for the information:-)

Go to an optromitist (sp?) you are tested for glaucoma as part of a routine eye exam. ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28.Would anyone have had experiance with such a problem and how did you slove it.I am taking 3 different drops for my eyes and none of them seem to help as long as I am on the prednisone.The drops are Betoptic & Trusopt And a Liquid Gold Because of its price Xalatan.I seen m To be in a catch 22 position.I need the predisone as it really helps me with my breathing.But it is really raising my eye pressure.Any help or suggestions would be apprec- iated. Thanks In Advance Jack Rosenberg I can be reached at the E-mail Address above or at Please tell me the symptoms of glaucoma. I have been on inhaled steroids for the better part of 10 years. I have been having trouble with my eyes but I chalked that up to my age (49). Thanks for the information:-) Laurence Hand

No real discernible symptoms, at least early on. Must be diagnosed during a routine eye exam. I doubt that inhaled steroids alone will lead to this type of problem. — Mark Feblowitz,   GTE Laboratories Inc., 40 Sylvan Rd.  Waltham, MA 02254

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28.Would anyone have had experiance with such a problem and how did you slove it.I am taking 3 different drops for my eyes and none of them seem to help as long as I am on the prednisone.The drops are Betoptic & Trusopt And a Liquid Gold Because of its price Xalatan.I seen m To be in a catch 22 position.I need the predisone as it really helps me with my breathing.But it is really raising my eye pressure.Any help or suggestions would be apprec- iated. Thanks In Advance Jack Rosenberg I can be reached at the E-mail Address above or at

Please tell me the symptoms of glaucoma. I have been on inhaled steroids for the better part of 10 years. I have been having trouble with my eyes but I chalked that up to my age (49). Thanks for the information:-) Laurence Hand

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28.Would anyone have had experiance with such a problem and how did you slove it.I am taking 3 different drops for my eyes and none of them seem to help as long as I am on the prednisone.The drops are Betoptic & Trusopt And a Liquid Gold Because of its price Xalatan.I seen m To be in a catch 22 position.I need the predisone as it really helps me with my breathing.But it is really raising my eye pressure.Any help or suggestions would be apprec- iated. Thanks In Advance Jack Rosenberg I can be reached at the E-mail Address above or at Pardon my ignorance but what are the symptoms of glaucoma. I have been taking steroids (both inhaled and oral) for the better part of ten years. I have had problems with my eyes in that time but I just chalked up to my age (49). Any information you could e mail me would be appreciated. Thank you. Laurence Hand

prenisone will raise your blood pressure too, so I’m not surprised that it raised the pressure in your eyes, and I would see if you could get on an inhaled steroid like Flovent.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28.Would anyone have had experiance with such a problem and how did you slove it.I am taking 3 different drops for my eyes and none of them seem to help as long as I am on the prednisone.The drops are Betoptic & Trusopt And a Liquid Gold Because of its price Xalatan.I seen m To be in a catch 22 position.I need the predisone as it really helps me with my breathing.But it is really raising my eye pressure.Any help or suggestions would be apprec- iated. Thanks In Advance Jack Rosenberg I can be reached at the E-mail Address above or at

Pardon my ignorance but what are the symptoms of glaucoma. I have been taking steroids (both inhaled and oral) for the better part of ten years. I have had problems with my eyes in that time but I just chalked up to my age (49). Any information you could e mail me would be appreciated. Thank you. Laurence Hand

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Hello: I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28.Would anyone have had experiance with such a problem and how did you slove it.I am taking 3 different drops for my eyes and none of them seem to help as long as I am on the prednisone.The drops are Betoptic & Trusopt And a Liquid Gold Because of its price Xalatan.I seen m To be in a catch 22 position.I need the predisone as it really helps me with my breathing.But it is really raising my eye pressure.Any help or suggestions would be apprec- iated. Thanks In Advance Jack Rosenberg I can be reached at the E-mail Address above or at

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I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28……

I have essentially the same problem.  My opthamologist prescribed 1% pilocarpine drops, and they’re working: My IOP is down to 19  and 20.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I was wondering if anyone would know something about Glaucoma and Asthma.I am taking Proventile and Vincerial inhailers along with Prednisone 5mg a day.And the Pred- nisone is affecting my Glaucoma raising my eye pressure to 26 and 28.Would anyone have had experiance with such a problem and how did you slove it.I am taking 3 different drops for my eyes and none of them seem to help as long as I am on the prednisone.The drops are Betoptic & Trusopt And a Liquid Gold Because of its price Xalatan.I seen m To be in a catch 22 position.I need the predisone as it really helps me with my breathing.But it is really raising my eye pressure.Any help or suggestions would be apprec- iated. Thanks In Advance Jack Rosenberg I can be reached at the E-mail Address above or at

I looked up prednisone in my US Pharmacopeia. Quoting "Glaucoma–Corticosteroids may cause the pressure within the eye to increase." My advice is to switch from the low doseage oral prednisone (5mg/day) and Vanceril corticosteroid inhaler, to the new high strength inhaled corticosteroid Flovent, which will result in a much lower (factor of 10 or more) systemic (side) effect. The high strength corticosteroid inhaler approved in the US which has the lowest systemic effect is reputed to be Flovent (comes in 3 strengths, 44, 110 & 220 ug, you would probably use the Flovent 220). The point is get off the oral steroid. The older highstrenth Aerobid or new double strength Vanceril 84 would be an improvement, but Flovent would be the best. Another inhaler to consider is Serevent, a long acting bronchodilator. The 1997 Expert Panel Report recommends use of Serevent as a steroid sparing drug (use of Serevent reduces need for corticosteroid inhalers). A good reference for the latest asthma treatments is ‘The Asthma Sourcebook’ by Francis Adams, MD c96. Good luck,

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I have a Chevy 1993, Long Bed with the 4.3L V6, 5 speed.  I seem not to have the Power I’d Hopped (Um…Like Duh……)  But do not have any plans to replace the engine with a V8.  Can anyone tell me a little about what bolt-on’s might get me a little bit more power?  I understand this question has been asked many times before, but I am new to the group and could not find any answers by reviewing the older messages. My immediate plans are to add a 2-3" body lift, and larger wheels/tires, so I I might need the added power to keep the status quo. Thanks in advance. Dave

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‘Pantera?’

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‘Pantera?’

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shelby cobra?

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‘Pantera?’

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shelby cobra?

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Hi.  I am trying to find the name of a (high-performance?) European car (1960s ?) that was powered by Ford and, most importantly, had an aluminum I won’t be able to check back here for a while.  Thank you.

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‘Pantera?’

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shelby cobra?

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‘Pantera?’

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shelby cobra?

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‘Pantera?’

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shelby cobra?

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‘Pantera?’

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shelby cobra?

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‘Pantera?’

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Hi I live in Las Vegas, Nv. I have to rotties that I love and adore, however my Landlord has given my husband and I an eviction notice unless we get rid of the dogs… -Heather

I really wish I could help out, but I’m not even in the States. Is there a reason why the landlord wants the dogs gone?  Maybe you could work out some arrangement with him to let you keep the dogs while you look for a new place. Best of luck to you. Ann

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‘Pantera?’

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Hi I live in Las Vegas, Nv. I have to rotties that I love and adore, however my Landlord has given my husband and I an eviction notice unless we get rid of the dogs… I refuse to get rid of my dogs, but I don’t have anywhere to go just yet.. I need to know if there is anyone in Las Vegas or the near surroundings who would be able to take in 2 Rotts for a month at the very most… I don’t have a ton of money or I would put them in a kennel (it cost so much!), but I am willing to make monthly payments. I would buy the food and any other neccesities.. I would also come by to walk, play, and/or groom too. PLease if there’s anyone who can help me contact me at: -Heather

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Perhaps the local Rottie breed rescue could assist you. message m… Hi I live in Las Vegas, Nv. I have to rotties

that I love and adore, however my Landlord has given my husband and I an eviction notice unless we get rid of the dogs… I refuse to get

rid of my dogs, but I don’t have anywhere to go just yet.. I need to

know if there is anyone in Las Vegas or the near surroundings who would

be able to take in 2 Rotts for a month at the very most… I don’t

have a ton of money or I would put them in a kennel (it cost so much!), but I am willing to make monthly payments. I would buy the food and any other neccesities.. I would also come by to walk,

play, and/or groom too. PLease if there’s anyone who can help me contact me at:

702.341.0864 and ask for Brian. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – -Heather

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Hi I live in Las Vegas, Nv. I have to rotties that I love and adore, however my Landlord has given my husband and I an eviction notice unless we get rid of the dogs… -Heather

I really wish I could help out, but I’m not even in the States. Is there a reason why the landlord wants the dogs gone?  Maybe you could work out some arrangement with him to let you keep the dogs while you look for a new place. Best of luck to you. Ann

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Look for one that responds positively to you, is healthy, and that you get "a feeling" about.  It’s all magic really.    ;-) I am thinking about getting a African Grey Parrot.  What should I be looking for when I go and purchase them other than a healty looking bird? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi.  I am trying to find the name of a (high-performance?) European car (1960s ?) that was powered by Ford and, most importantly, had an aluminum I won’t be able to check back here for a while.  Thank you.

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‘Pantera?’

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shelby cobra?

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Hi I live in Las Vegas, Nv. I have to rotties that I love and adore, however my Landlord has given my husband and I an eviction notice unless we get rid of the dogs… I refuse to get rid of my dogs, but I don’t have anywhere to go just yet.. I need to know if there is anyone in Las Vegas or the near surroundings who would be able to take in 2 Rotts for a month at the very most… I don’t have a ton of money or I would put them in a kennel (it cost so much!), but I am willing to make monthly payments. I would buy the food and any other neccesities.. I would also come by to walk, play, and/or groom too. PLease if there’s anyone who can help me contact me at: -Heather

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Perhaps the local Rottie breed rescue could assist you. message m… Hi I live in Las Vegas, Nv. I have to rotties

that I love and adore, however my Landlord has given my husband and I an eviction notice unless we get rid of the dogs… I refuse to get

rid of my dogs, but I don’t have anywhere to go just yet.. I need to

know if there is anyone in Las Vegas or the near surroundings who would

be able to take in 2 Rotts for a month at the very most… I don’t

have a ton of money or I would put them in a kennel (it cost so much!), but I am willing to make monthly payments. I would buy the food and any other neccesities.. I would also come by to walk,

play, and/or groom too. PLease if there’s anyone who can help me contact me at:

702.341.0864 and ask for Brian. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – -Heather

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URGENT ALERT- EU VITAMIN DIRECTIVE VOTE TUESDAY- ACTION NEEDED NOW- MORE SIGNATURES NEEDED – forward widely & ACT NOW!

and ignore this attempt by Mr John Hammell (this "organisation" turns out to be one guy in Florida with a part time assistant) to persuade you that he has the interests of European consumers at heart it’s a pretty transparent attempt by sellers of dodgy treatments to avoid getting brought under regulations to prevent false advertising and poor quality control I assume all the "alternative" treatment proponents on USenet will be totally against this petition since they mostly claim that they would be happy to operate under the same regulations as pharmaceutical companies — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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Ditto! Yeah, wouldn’t it be awful if they had regulations making sure that my gingko pill isn’t actually rat poop? Honestly, I am afraid to buy supplements of any sort, because I have no idea what is in those pills.  The only exception is vitamins–i think those are relatively safe, but I still feel that I am playng russian roulette with those. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – URGENT ALERT- EU VITAMIN DIRECTIVE VOTE TUESDAY- ACTION NEEDED NOW- MORE SIGNATURES NEEDED – forward widely & ACT NOW! and ignore this attempt by Mr John Hammell (this "organisation" turns out to be one guy in Florida with a part time assistant) to persuade you that he has the interests of European consumers at heart it’s a pretty transparent attempt by sellers of dodgy treatments to avoid getting brought under regulations to prevent false advertising and poor quality control I assume all the "alternative" treatment proponents on USenet will be totally against this petition since they mostly claim that they would be happy to operate under the same regulations as pharmaceutical companies — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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URGENT ALERT- EU VITAMIN DIRECTIVE VOTE TUESDAY- ACTION NEEDED NOW- MORE SIGNATURES NEEDED – forward widely & ACT NOW!

and ignore this attempt by Mr John Hammell (this "organisation" turns out to be one guy in Florida with a part time assistant) to persuade you that he has the interests of European consumers at heart it’s a pretty transparent attempt by sellers of dodgy treatments to avoid getting brought under regulations to prevent false advertising and poor quality control I assume all the "alternative" treatment proponents on USenet will be totally against this petition since they mostly claim that they would be happy to operate under the same regulations as pharmaceutical companies — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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Ditto! Yeah, wouldn’t it be awful if they had regulations making sure that my gingko pill isn’t actually rat poop? Honestly, I am afraid to buy supplements of any sort, because I have no idea what is in those pills.  The only exception is vitamins–i think those are relatively safe, but I still feel that I am playng russian roulette with those. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – URGENT ALERT- EU VITAMIN DIRECTIVE VOTE TUESDAY- ACTION NEEDED NOW- MORE SIGNATURES NEEDED – forward widely & ACT NOW! and ignore this attempt by Mr John Hammell (this "organisation" turns out to be one guy in Florida with a part time assistant) to persuade you that he has the interests of European consumers at heart it’s a pretty transparent attempt by sellers of dodgy treatments to avoid getting brought under regulations to prevent false advertising and poor quality control I assume all the "alternative" treatment proponents on USenet will be totally against this petition since they mostly claim that they would be happy to operate under the same regulations as pharmaceutical companies — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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We are having a private wedding ceremony, but will be having an "open house" type reception for 2 hours afterwards. Now this is a conbination of we got mearried and good bye we are moving 1000 miles away. I am needing suggestions on invitations, and how do you tell those wishing to give gifts that cash or gift certificates are needed due to the move. (Moving van will already be gone and we are flying). Help is really needed for we do not want to hurt or angre any one, it may be a long time until we see them again. Kimbra Hill

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We are having a private wedding ceremony, but will be having an "open house" type reception for 2 hours afterwards. Now this is a conbination of we got married and good bye we are moving 1000 miles away. I am needing suggestions on invitations, and how do you tell those wishing to give gifts that cash or gift certificates are needed due to the move. (Moving van will already be gone and we are flying).

I don’t think you can. We’re moving four days after our wedding to Boston (3,000 miles), and we’re just going to ship stuff we get. All of the furniture we have is very bad, so we’re either selling it or giving it to Goodwill (if they’ll take them ). We expect to get some cash gifts, though, but to offset shipping costs, we registered at Macy’s and Crate and Barrel, which are national, and just so happen to be wherever our guests are located (they are scattered all over the US). One option for them is to buy the gift, wait until we have found our new apartment, and send it to us there. It’s not *proper* to ask for cash instead of gifts. It looks as if you are greedy. Hopefully, your friends will make that logical decision to give you cash instead of gifts, but if they don’t, please don’t worry about it. You’ve got more things to worry about than how heavy your gifts will be. Laurel and Jack, 5/25/96

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Why don’t you get At Home cards to put in with the invitations? They say Mr. and Mrs. XYZ             At Home after March 20, 1996            1234 Main Street, Apartment 1A                      Big City, ST ZIPCD They can be printed on cardstock and included with shower invitations as well, or just mailed to people as "change of address" cards – they can also go in the announcements which you send after the wedding.   Attendants for you & your spouse-to-be, as well as your parents & other relatives, can tell people that because you are living so far away from where the wedding is, it’s better if girts are sent to your home.  People will understand that you can’t recieve gifts at the wedding with ease, and will probably be very willing to "lighten your load." Heidi (& Aaron – October 19, 1996)

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We are having a private wedding ceremony, but will be having an "open house" type reception for 2 hours afterwards. Now this is a conbination of we got mearried and good bye we are moving 1000 miles away. I am needing suggestions on invitations, and how do you tell those wishing to give gifts that cash or gift certificates are needed due to the move. (Moving van will already be gone and we are flying). Help is really needed for we do not want to hurt or angre any one, it may be a long time until we see them again. Kimbra Hill

Sorry, there’s no nice way to tell people you want a gift at all, let alone that you want cash or a gift certificate.  You’re supposed to act surprised and delighted when you get a gift of any kind!  If you just can’t live with this, the only thing you might be able to do is whisper to a talkative friend that you’ll be needing lots of money for the move and hope she or he will spread the word. –Nancy Reynolds

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We are having a private wedding ceremony, but will be having an "open house" type reception for 2 hours afterwards. Now this is a conbination of we got mearried and good bye we are moving 1000 miles away. I am needing suggestions on invitations, and how do you tell those wishing to give gifts that cash or gift certificates are needed due to the move. (Moving van will already be gone and we are flying). Help is really needed for we do not want to hurt or angre any one, it may be a long time until we see them again. Kimbra Hill

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We are having a private wedding ceremony, but will be having an "open house" type reception for 2 hours afterwards. Now this is a conbination of we got married and good bye we are moving 1000 miles away. I am needing suggestions on invitations, and how do you tell those wishing to give gifts that cash or gift certificates are needed due to the move. (Moving van will already be gone and we are flying).

I don’t think you can. We’re moving four days after our wedding to Boston (3,000 miles), and we’re just going to ship stuff we get. All of the furniture we have is very bad, so we’re either selling it or giving it to Goodwill (if they’ll take them ). We expect to get some cash gifts, though, but to offset shipping costs, we registered at Macy’s and Crate and Barrel, which are national, and just so happen to be wherever our guests are located (they are scattered all over the US). One option for them is to buy the gift, wait until we have found our new apartment, and send it to us there. It’s not *proper* to ask for cash instead of gifts. It looks as if you are greedy. Hopefully, your friends will make that logical decision to give you cash instead of gifts, but if they don’t, please don’t worry about it. You’ve got more things to worry about than how heavy your gifts will be. Laurel and Jack, 5/25/96

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Why don’t you get At Home cards to put in with the invitations? They say Mr. and Mrs. XYZ             At Home after March 20, 1996            1234 Main Street, Apartment 1A                      Big City, ST ZIPCD They can be printed on cardstock and included with shower invitations as well, or just mailed to people as "change of address" cards – they can also go in the announcements which you send after the wedding.   Attendants for you & your spouse-to-be, as well as your parents & other relatives, can tell people that because you are living so far away from where the wedding is, it’s better if girts are sent to your home.  People will understand that you can’t recieve gifts at the wedding with ease, and will probably be very willing to "lighten your load." Heidi (& Aaron – October 19, 1996)

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We are having a private wedding ceremony, but will be having an "open house" type reception for 2 hours afterwards. Now this is a conbination of we got mearried and good bye we are moving 1000 miles away. I am needing suggestions on invitations, and how do you tell those wishing to give gifts that cash or gift certificates are needed due to the move. (Moving van will already be gone and we are flying). Help is really needed for we do not want to hurt or angre any one, it may be a long time until we see them again. Kimbra Hill

Sorry, there’s no nice way to tell people you want a gift at all, let alone that you want cash or a gift certificate.  You’re supposed to act surprised and delighted when you get a gift of any kind!  If you just can’t live with this, the only thing you might be able to do is whisper to a talkative friend that you’ll be needing lots of money for the move and hope she or he will spread the word. –Nancy Reynolds

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Check the local drug clinics. They may have an anonymous service for testing. Back in the 60’s, you could send in a tab of acid for analysis with a random ID# you chose. You’d call in about 4 days, give them the number and get the lab results. It was an attempt (a good one too) to keep bad LSD off the streets. The lab would also publish a description of pills analyzed and their contents so future buyers had an idea.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it possible to have a generic Viagra tested for purity and potency. How would one go about it, has anyone reading ever done this and if, what was the cost. John from Down Under Australia.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was thinking about this…all herbal/natural supplements in the USA are unregulated by the FDA. this is why when you go buy calcium supplements at K-Mart they are likely to have high levels of lead in them. generic viagra not being regulated by the FDA is therefore in the same company as thousands of supplements sold everyday in your neighbor supermarket. probably nothing to get too fearful about. Is it possible to have a generic Viagra tested for purity and potency. How would one go about it, has anyone reading ever done this and if, what was the cost. I rather suspect the cost would far exceed the cost of buying the stuff from a known good source. Especially since all you have done is proven the sample is good. That says nothing about the pills you didn’t test or the ones in your next order…

Thank you for your reply’s to my question. I appreciate your attempt to allay my fear of taking an unknown substance purchased from an unregulated and unsupervised source. Nevertheless, as I have a very inquisitive mind, I would still be interested to hear from someone who knows the answer to my original question as the placebo effect is a well researched and documented phenomenon. Thanking you again, J.

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Is it possible to have a generic Viagra tested for purity and potency. How would one go about it, has anyone reading ever done this and if, what was the cost.

I rather suspect the cost would far exceed the cost of buying the stuff from a known good source. Especially since all you have done is proven the sample is good. That says nothing about the pills you didn’t test or the ones in your next order…

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i was thinking about this…all herbal/natural supplements in the USA are unregulated by the FDA. this is why when you go buy calcium supplements at K-Mart they are likely to have high levels of lead in them. generic viagra not being regulated by the FDA is therefore in the same company as thousands of supplements sold everyday in your neighbor supermarket. probably nothing to get too fearful about.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it possible to have a generic Viagra tested for purity and potency. How would one go about it, has anyone reading ever done this and if, what was the cost. I rather suspect the cost would far exceed the cost of buying the stuff from a known good source. Especially since all you have done is proven the sample is good. That says nothing about the pills you didn’t test or the ones in your next order…

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Is it possible to have a generic Viagra tested for purity and potency. How would one go about it, has anyone reading ever done this and if, what was the cost. John from Down Under Australia.

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Wish I had the material in front of me, but before moving we looked into an electrostatic filter for the air intake of our forced air system.  It was a permanent unit that required no cleaning and runs on 120 house current. How it works is to attract and then zap dust being carried through the intake (essentially a miniature incineration of dust).  Average cost was $600 Canadian depending on size.   I never saw it work but the fuel oil company (who are very good) gave me contacts of the couple of people who have used them in the area, and they report 1) a big improvement and 2) they feel their total system now reduces the dust problem in the house where previously it made it worse. We were convinced (but then we bought a new house and didn’t need it). Hope this posting doesn’t prompt an onslaught of SPAM. Bill. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For anyone who has asthma and a forced-air heating system, 1 month ago I had the entire system "power-vacuumed" for about 450 dollars (depends on number of ducts) and have had a very definite decrease in my symptoms, my need for albuteral/serevent and flovent (from 4-6 to 2 puffs per day). My previous heating filters would be pretty dirty (completely gray) after a month, the latest one is basically spotless after 4 weeks of use so I believe that the air in the house must be much cleaner. If you are in this situation you may want to give this a try. The cleaning company said it should be done every 4-7 years depending upon whether you have pets etc…It seems like a better guide is how long it takes the filter to get dirty.

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Just wanted to add that if anyone uses a humidifer with their heating system, the possibility exists for water vapor to become trapped in the elbows of the pipes thus leading to the growth of mold when the system is not in use for a period of time or is shut off for the spring/summer. Jarrett I live in the country – lots of dirt, polle and grass clippings sucked into my outdoor air unit.  I get my ducts cleaned every 5 years.  It does make a tremendous difference!

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Hit the send button too soon.  My point is if you use a humidifier pipes should be cleaned out on a more regular basis, say at the start of each heating season.  Also, de-lime the humidifier plates. Sorry about that, Jarrett Just wanted to add that if anyone uses a humidifer with their heating system, the possibility exists for water vapor to become trapped in the elbows of the pipes thus leading to the growth of mold when the system is not in use for a period of time or is shut off for the spring/summer. Jarrett I live in the country – lots of dirt, polle and grass clippings sucked into my outdoor air unit.  I get my ducts cleaned every 5 years.  It does make a tremendous difference!

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I live in the country – lots of dirt, polle and grass clippings sucked into my outdoor air unit.  I get my ducts cleaned every 5 years.  It does make a tremendous difference!

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We had our ducts cleaned before we turned the heat on in this house.  We moved in it in August and the house is 11 years old.  The former owners smoked and never had it done.  All I can say is that my 2 kids who get sick all the time were much more manageable this winter season.  I believe its a good investment.  We also bought a 3M electro-magnetic furnace filter and I think that has helped tremondously.  The dut is much less compared to when we had the regular furnace filter on. Gina

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For anyone who has asthma and a forced-air heating system, 1 month ago I had the entire system "power-vacuumed" for about 450 dollars (depends on number of ducts) and have had a very definite decrease in my symptoms, my need for albuteral/serevent and flovent (from 4-6 to 2 puffs per day). My previous heating filters would be pretty dirty (completely gray) after a month, the latest one is basically spotless after 4 weeks of use so I believe that the air in the house must be much cleaner. If you are in this situation you may want to give this a try. The cleaning company said it should be done every 4-7 years depending upon whether you have pets etc…It seems like a better guide is how long it takes the filter to get dirty.

You can keep the system even cleaner by installing washable filters on your air return vents, and on your heater vents.  I use cheesecloth, so that they can all be removed weekly and tossed in the washer. Chris Owens

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The loss of bloating and heart burn after eliminating wheat is very common to low carbers.  If you eat wheat it will come back with a vengeance. However, I found that after 1 1/2 yrs of low carbing when I reintroduced modest amounts of wheat back into my diet I no longer had major problems with it. The explanation may be that resting the system allows something to heal.

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I used to have chronic bloating and stomach pain every evening after meals. Yet, when I tried LC, my bloating disappeared. I am thinking I might be allergic to wheat or something like that.  Has anyone else experienced positive side effects (besides weight loss), as a result of eliminating or cutting back on carbs? Tina

I haven’t had gas problems since I started. I used to have them all the time. My mood cycles (I have been manic-depressive all my life) have pretty much cleared up. Any bad periods only last a couple of days, and they have been rare. I have much better muscle control ( I have benign essential tremor and sclerotic symptoms) in fact I’m starting art again, and can go back to playing instruments I haven’t been able to play in years. Sandra lc since 1/15/01 290/251/145 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I used to have chronic bloating and stomach pain every evening after meals. Yet, when I tried LC, my bloating disappeared. I am thinking I might be allergic to wheat or something like that.  Has anyone else experienced positive side effects (besides weight loss), as a result of eliminating or cutting back on carbs?

I think that bloating after eating wheat/grain products is a symptom of Celiac Disease, something that basically makes people who are allergic to the grain products and don’t know it very ill. Or you could just have a digestive system sensitive to grains. Amy

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Welcome to the group!  Keep on posting!  I think you’ve got a great attitude about your weight and putting more importance on how you feel. Don’t think you’ve got to stick with eggs for breaky… anything will do. Last night’s leftovers, even.  Sometime’s I’ll panfry a pork chop or chicken breast for breakfast, or have a protein shake.  Haven’t done this in a while, but there’s a recipe for flax meal hot cereal that is yummy, too, plus provides lots of fiber as well as good fats.  Of course, unless you’re in the southern hemisphere, it’s starting to get too warm to have hot cereal in the morning.. but to each his own. LOL! Good luck on your low carb journey! — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/202/150 ~~ Yes, its tough to do, but the results that last a lifetime are      worth more then a bowl of ice cream that lasts only 5 mins.          –Tinakaye

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << – PMS virtually disappeared yes, me too since starting this Low carb. this is my first time posting on here, since i’ve been trying out this low carb thing i haven’t been really following like the induction diet too closely but i will soon.. i found that i very rarely have cravings for sweets(which are the worst for me) and pasta/bread. that the hunger pains disappeared,(usually when i don’t skip lunch) and have less bloatedness and stomachache aches. I haven’t  noticed any weight losses yet which b/c i don’t like the scale, i’m like 200lbs by the Dr’s scale, so i would like to be about 150 but i’ve always went by how i feel and how my clothes fit. I want to really start this induction diet soon, but i’ve found that i’d never thought i’d get tired of eggs b/c sometimes i don’t know what else to eat esp. for breakfat. i’ve been trying to cut down on the caffeine which is the hardest b/c i feel that it causes me to be more hungry afterwards. so hopefully i can get more motivation to do this induction diet and start ’seeing’ some results! take care, kim

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I also had occasional "wind" problems that were solved by this WOE and return when I go back to my evil ways –especially sweets! Kirsten

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering for a minute there how "wind" could cause stomach aches. but now I understand you didn’t mean the weather kind — -Beth, Pseudo usenet cop BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/ My daughter suffered with stomach aches caused by wind. On the second day of induction she wasnt a nice person to be around but she has got rid of her stomach ache and hopefully the wind that was causing it. I used to have chronic bloating and stomach pain every evening after meals. Yet, when I tried LC, my bloating disappeared. I am thinking I might be allergic to wheat or something like that.  Has anyone else experienced positive side effects (besides weight loss), as a result of eliminating or cutting back on carbs? Tina

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<< – PMS virtually disappeared yes, me too since starting this Low carb. this is my first time posting on here, since i’ve been trying out this low carb thing i haven’t been really following like the induction diet too closely but i will soon.. i found that i very rarely have cravings for sweets(which are the worst for me) and pasta/bread. that the hunger pains disappeared,(usually when i don’t skip lunch) and have less bloatedness and stomachache aches. I haven’t  noticed any weight losses yet which b/c i don’t like the scale, i’m like 200lbs by the Dr’s scale, so i would like to be about 150 but i’ve always went by how i feel and how my clothes fit. I want to really start this induction diet soon, but i’ve found that i’d never thought i’d get tired of eggs b/c sometimes i don’t know what else to eat esp. for breakfat. i’ve been trying to cut down on the caffeine which is the hardest b/c i feel that it causes me to be more hungry afterwards. so hopefully i can get more motivation to do this induction diet and start ’seeing’ some results! take care, kim

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I was wondering for a minute there how "wind" could cause stomach aches. but now I understand you didn’t mean the weather kind — -Beth, Pseudo usenet cop BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My daughter suffered with stomach aches caused by wind. On the second day of induction she wasnt a nice person to be around but she has got rid of her stomach ache and hopefully the wind that was causing it. I used to have chronic bloating and stomach pain every evening after meals. Yet, when I tried LC, my bloating disappeared. I am thinking I might be allergic to wheat or something like that.  Has anyone else experienced positive side effects (besides weight loss), as a result of eliminating or cutting back on carbs? Tina

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My daughter suffered with stomach aches caused by wind. On the second day of induction she wasnt a nice person to be around but she has got rid of her stomach ache and hopefully the wind that was causing it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to have chronic bloating and stomach pain every evening after meals. Yet, when I tried LC, my bloating disappeared. I am thinking I might be allergic to wheat or something like that.  Has anyone else experienced positive side effects (besides weight loss), as a result of eliminating or cutting back on carbs? Tina

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I used to have chronic bloating and stomach pain every evening after meals. Yet, when I tried LC, my bloating disappeared. I am thinking I might be allergic to wheat or something like that.  Has anyone else experienced positive side effects (besides weight loss), as a result of eliminating or cutting back on carbs? Tina

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Absolutely! – PMS virtually disappeared.  Now I have to pay excrutiating attention to the calendar instead of relying on breast tenderness, bloating, moodiness, rages, etc to indicate that my period was about to start. – Digestive problems greatly diminished. – Depression has disappeared.  I’m now on an even keel emotionally for the first time in my life. – I’m awake and alert all day, where before I used to take a nosedive onto my desk at about 2 in the afternoon. –  I sleep better and can wake up easier in the morning. – Food no longer has control over me. – I can stop eating when I’m satisfied instead of being compelled to eat more, even if I was gorged. Oh, and I’ve lost 61 pounds. — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/202/150 ~~ Yes, its tough to do, but the results that last a lifetime are      worth more then a bowl of ice cream that lasts only 5 mins.          –Tinakaye

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to have chronic bloating and stomach pain every evening after meals. Yet, when I tried LC, my bloating disappeared. I am thinking I might be allergic to wheat or something like that.  Has anyone else experienced positive side effects (besides weight loss), as a result of eliminating or cutting back on carbs? Tina

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It’s a little late on this thread for advice about bleeding, but I do want to remind you to keep up with your vitamins.  Lack of vitamins can slow clotting. Also, if you think you may give in and cut yourself, or if you recently have, DON’T take any aspirin! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my arm won’t stop bleeding. it’s been at least 4 hours and it was under pressure but it still won’t stop.maybe my blood is thinning or something. the therapist from home hasn’t called yet. it is so ugly! i finished my work for tonight. no pressure or nothing and i still don’t feel right. well, my effexor dose is rising again tomorrow. though i don’t even know if it’s effective. oh well. i’m trying not to break my promise (the deal) i am trying. but it’s hard. les.

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my arm won’t stop bleeding. it’s been at least 4 hours and it was under pressure but it still won’t stop.maybe my blood is thinning or something. the therapist from home hasn’t called yet. it is so ugly! i finished my work for tonight. no pressure or nothing and i still don’t feel right. well, my effexor dose is rising again tomorrow. though i don’t even know if it’s effective. oh well. i’m trying not to break my promise (the deal) i am trying. but it’s hard. les.

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my arm won’t stop bleeding. it’s been at least 4 hours and it was under pressure but it still won’t stop.maybe my blood is thinning or something. the therapist from home hasn’t called yet.

if you’re losing too much blood, go to the emergency room!! it is so ugly! i finished my work for tonight. no pressure or nothing and i still don’t feel right. well, my effexor dose is rising again tomorrow. though i don’t even know if it’s effective. oh well. i’m trying not to break my promise (the deal) i am trying. but it’s hard.

Hang in there. You always have us to talk to. Sophie — http://grayarea.diaryland.com

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my arm won’t stop bleeding.

it may ooze for some time depending on how deeply you cut it and with what-you used a knife? too dul it does too much tissue damage-this will scar. you are taking effexor and klonopin now? what happened to the seroquel? If you want to stop cutting you will-not a moment sooner the you decide to-but know there is a price to pay for it-that price is you will feel worse and it will scar-you are duping yourself into thinking it will feel better-it does but only for the moment-then the gult and verification of your worthlessness sets in-it becomes a cycle and a bad habit-you can stop and most likely will when you become busy in an environment that is stimulating as oppossed to boring and scary. But you can only search for this-it won’t come to you. You are working yourself up now and will crash into depression to slow it down-try and moderate-try and get busy-rent a movie listen to music-visit a friend-call one-call your dad-distract yourself from you pain-it will pass. this is temporary-think of how well you felt just a few short months ago in the summer-place yourself in the thoughts-be there-you will get there again. It semester end-exams and then going home-this seems to bring out this stress response in you-it will pass LM

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I take 5 300mg capsules in the mourning and follow up 4 hours later with 3 more. That’s all for the day. I take 2 or 3 capsules of Kava along with this. After lots of experimenting with dosage, this works fine for me. The only problem with side effects is that St Johns tends to irritate the stomach. Comments on the dosage? How do I eliminate the stomach irritation?

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I take 5 300mg capsules in the mourning and follow up 4 hours later with 3 more. That’s all for the day. I take 2 or 3 capsules of Kava along with this. After lots of experimenting with dosage, this works fine for me. The only problem with side effects is that St Johns tends to irritate the stomach.

I would say that is a lot of St. John’s Wort, and is probably excessive. One side effect that you should look out for is sensitive hands and fingers. Cuts, and scratches can take for ever to heal. Also, beware of the sun.  Be sure to wear sun glasses. John Gohde,  Health Nag http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/claims.html http://www.quackwatch.com/ Anyone genuinely interested in diet, nutrition, and nutritional supplements should take a strong stand against Nutrition Quackery, Food Faddism, and Nutritional Supplements Quackery anywhere they see it.  If you don’t, no one will take your interests seriously.

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Why are you taking it? http://members.spree.com/angeleye St. John’s Wort (also known by its botanical name, Hypericum perforatum) is derived from a yellow flowering plant. It has been used as an herbal remedy for mild to moderate depression (not recommended for the treatment of severe or manic depression), anxiety, and sleep disturbances/disorders for many years, especially in Germany. Research suggests that St. John’s Wort raises levels of serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine — neurotransmitters which help boost mental morale and mood. Unlike prescription anti-depressants (i.e., Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, etc.), which can cause negative side effects ranging from nausea to impaired sex drive and ejaculation, St. John’s Wort has no documented cases of sexual dysfunction. It also appears to increase sleep activity by acting as a mild sedative, and may reduce chronic tension headaches. Several adverse effects have been reported in association with usage of St. John’s Wort, including: gastrointestinal discomfort, such as upset stomach allergic reactions fatigue restlessness increased sensitivity to sunlight (so, use a sunscreen or sunblock while on St. John’s Wort) dry mouth confusion dizziness Components of St. John’s Wort may also cause an increase in blood pressure, which could result in a stroke. Since St. John’s Wort is a nutritional supplement, which is not regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), there is no guarantee of the quality of the supplement from product to product. Carefully read product labels — look for an extract standardized to 0.3 percent hypericin, the purported active ingredient in St. John’s Wort, and make sure this extract is derived from the whole St. John’s Wort plant (i.e., flowers, leaves, and stem). The dosage of St. John’s Wort that has been used in most studies is a 900 milligram daily dose taken in 300 mg increments three times a day. Results may not be seen for at least four to six weeks, if at all. Discontinue use after six weeks if you’ve noticed no results because it’s probably not effective for you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take 5 300mg capsules in the mourning and follow up 4 hours later with 3 more. That’s all for the day. I take 2 or 3 capsules of Kava along with this. After lots of experimenting with dosage, this works fine for me. The only problem with side effects is that St Johns tends to irritate the stomach. Comments on the dosage? How do I eliminate the stomach irritation?

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Why are you taking it?

Do you need to ask?

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Why are you taking it? Do you need to ask?

That’s right, I’m crazy, but I am cured by lots of medications. I normally take voodoo juice, but lots of St Johns keeps me cordial without the need for alchihol. One burbon… one scotch…. one beer… Hope this helps piddy

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jBeth,  are you talking about Luvox? shell

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Brand name Faverin in the UK. Heard it’s good for OCD and depression.

Hi Beth, Fluvoxamine is similar to Prozac in many ways and is used for depression and OCD (an aside to Shell — yes, it’s Luvox in the USA). Response to antideps varies enormously from person to person, and what works for one may not work for another; unfortunately, psychiatric medicine is still rather hit and miss, and trial-and-error is usually the only way to find the right med for you. There are some major risks of interactions with this drug, including terfenadine and astemizole (antihistamines), cisapride ("propulsid", a motility stimulant), warfarin, theophylline, certain benzodiazepines and phenytoin. Or what about sertraline (Lustral/Zoloft)?

That has a slightly broader collection of possible side effects than some of the other SSRIs, though much less risk of drug interactions than fluvoxamine, and has been known to work in some people who have had only limited success with other antideps. Curiously, in the UK it’s not listed as a treatment for OCD, but only depression, while clinical trial data indicates that it *is* effective in OCD too. Some people who don’t get a good result from SSRIs have fared better with venlafaxine (Effexor) or with the SNRI reboxetine (Edronax), though again neither of these is listed as appropriate for treatment of OCD. Hope this info helps, and good luck! love from Julie.

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x-no-arcive: yes                 i tried luvox (generic name – fluvoxamine) for my OCD. i found effexor to work much better. hope some medication works for you soon.

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Brand name Faverin in the UK. Heard it’s good for OCD and depression. Or what about sertraline (Lustral/Zoloft)? Am going back on meds and don’t know whether Paxil (Seroxat) is worth trying (again!) BEth — ("That I would be good if I got and stayed sick   That I would be good even if I gained ten pounds" –  Alanis Morissette)

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Doda1207 schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body. I feel as if I can’t breath, my entire body chills over, I feel detatched and unreal, my heart beats really fast, and it is almost a panicky state that I’m in, but not quite.  I’m starting to get terrified about going to sleep.  Now, I’ve had panic attacks in the past, but never two in a two days.  My symptoms are generally more chronic (chest pain, headache, on edge feelings).  It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me? Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head? If I were you I would tell my doc to change your medication, I had a similar reaction on Prozac, and it is frustrating to have the medication CAUSE what it is supposed to help. I am now on Paxil (started it today) and hoping for more success. My doctor says it is very common to have to change meds due to side effects, so talk to your doctor.  Hope this helps, take care,  Dody

  All SSRI’s (and Zoloft belongs to this group as do Paxil and Prozac) will worsen your symptoms during the first 2-8 weeks. To assess if this is really the med for you or not the best thing to do is to wait a few weeks. I know what it’s like, believe me. But it does take a while for these meds to kick in. You might ask your doctor for a benzo on the soide as this softens the side effects of the first weeks. Xanax and Ativan come to mind, which are fast-working meds with a very short half-life. A combo of SSRI and benzo for maintenance is quite common these days as well. Don’t give up too quickly…(I know how hard this can be) Philip Peters

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body. (It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me? Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head? If I were you I would tell my doc to change your medication, I had a similar reaction on Prozac, and it is frustrating to have the medication CAUSE what it is supposed to help. I am now on Paxil (started it today) and hoping for more success. My doctor says it is very common to have to change meds due to side effects, so talk to your doctor.

It is not uncommon to have exagerrated anxiety while adjusting to an SRI.  I would recommend calling your doc and asking for something to help while you adjust.  It takes weeks before one can assess if Zoloft is right or wrong for you.  When I started Paxil I had attacks too. That ended after a few weeks.  I couldn’t possibly have made a decision after 4 days. Gwen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body. (It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me? Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head? If I were you I would tell my doc to change your medication, I had a similar reaction on Prozac, and it is frustrating to have the medication CAUSE what it is supposed to help. I am now on Paxil (started it today) and hoping for more success. My doctor says it is very common to have to change meds due to side effects, so talk to your doctor. It is not uncommon to have exagerrated anxiety while adjusting to an SRI.  I would recommend calling your doc and asking for something to help while you adjust.  It takes weeks before one can assess if Zoloft is right or wrong for you.  When I started Paxil I had attacks too. That ended after a few weeks.  I couldn’t possibly have made a decision after 4 days. Gwen

Nothing snipped so as to cause no annoyance Steve replied: I have tried Prozac, Effexor and Zoloft.  All were a nightmare for me (ME, Steve) I can speak for no one else.  The dreaded ‘benzos’ seem to work for me.  Good luck,  Steve Treloar

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Zoloft did this to me too. I just dealt with it (a little xanex helped) and eventually, it passed. Scary stuff though…                               cathy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body. I feel as if I can’t breath, my entire body chills over, I feel detatched and unreal, my heart beats really fast, and it is almost a panicky state that I’m in, but not quite.  I’m starting to get terrified about going to sleep.  Now, I’ve had panic attacks in the past, but never two in a two days.  My symptoms are generally more chronic (chest pain, headache, on edge feelings).  It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me? Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head?

Many people here (including myself) have experienced that starting an SRI such as Zoloft will actually increase panic in the early going. For most, this side effect will wear off in a few weeks.  There are a couple of ways to get around it.  One way is to start on a very low dose of Zoloft, and gradually increase the dose until you reach a therapeutic level (possibly taking several months to do it).  This low start and slow increase eliminates most of the side effects.  Another way to reduce side effects is to take a benzo on a temporary basis, until you are established on the Zoloft.  The benzo can help control the anxiety produced by the medication.  Do talk to your doctor about this, as increased anxiety is a common early side effect of SRIs, and there are ways to get around the problem.   Best wishes, Hirsch address in header has been changed to avoid junk mail. To reach me by email, substitute erols for nospam in my reply-to address.

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I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body. I feel as if I can’t breath, my entire body chills over, I feel detatched and unreal, my heart beats really fast, and it is almost a panicky state that I’m in, but not quite.  I’m starting to get terrified about going to sleep.  Now, I’ve had panic attacks in the past, but never two in a two days.  My symptoms are generally more chronic (chest pain, headache, on edge feelings).  It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me? Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head?

I’m terribly sorry to read this but, if it’s any consolation, it isn’t at all uncommon – indeed, Zoloft did that to me, too. All the SSRIs seem capable of causing increased anxiety when first started and to counter this some doctors start patients at very low doses, slowly increasing them till the desired effect is achieved. Some also prescribe anxiolytics (typically benzodiazepines) to offset this side effect. If it’s very bad, I’d really recommend you talk to your doctor about it. Hope that’s some help – good luck! — Gary Cooper

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I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body. I feel as if I can’t breath, my entire body chills over, I feel detatched and unreal, my heart beats really fast, and it is almost a panicky state that I’m in, but not quite.  I’m starting to get terrified about going to sleep.  Now, I’ve had panic attacks in the past, but never two in a two days.  My symptoms are generally more chronic (chest pain, headache, on edge feelings).  It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me? Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head?

If I were you I would tell my doc to change your medication, I had a similar reaction on Prozac, and it is frustrating to have the medication CAUSE what it is supposed to help. I am now on Paxil (started it today) and hoping for more success. My doctor says it is very common to have to change meds due to side effects, so talk to your doctor.  Hope this helps, take care,  Dody

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the two most common benzodiazapines (that I come across in reading posts) used to bridge the adjustment period to a SSRI  are Xanax or Klonopin I was given klonopin to get over the adjustment to paxil.

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I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a

really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly

woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body.

I feel as if I can’t breath, my entire body chills over, I feel detatched and unreal, my heart beats really fast, and it is almost a

panicky state that I’m in, but not quite.  I’m starting to get terrified about

going to sleep.  Now, I’ve had panic attacks in the past, but never two in a two days.  My symptoms are generally more chronic

(chest pain, headache, on edge feelings).  It just seems

wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more

panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me?

Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head?   Hi,   From what I hear (I can’t remember myself) Many times when you start on an antidepressant, your symtoms can become worse at first.  It is always a good idea to give a new med a couple of weeks, for the medication to build up in your system and let the side effects die down.  Unless of course the side effects are really bad, in that case I would immediately talk to your doctor. Hope that helps. Lee "Life is too important to be taken seriously"

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I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression  Now, I’ve had panic attacks in the past, but never two in a two days.  My symptoms are generally more chronic (chest pain, headache, on edge feelings).  It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks

Very common for SRI’s to increase anxiety (even to the point of panic) in the first few weeks.  You might want to talk to your doc about adding or increasing a benzo til your body adjusts.  I don’t take Zoloft – but had a heck of a time adjusting to Paxil. Gwen

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I just started taking Zoloft four days ago for panic disorder and depression.  For the first two days I had a really bad headache.  For the past two nights I have suddenly woken up from a nap with a sort of intense rush in my body. I feel as if I can’t breath, my entire body chills over, I feel detatched and unreal, my heart beats really fast, and it is almost a panicky state that I’m in, but not quite.  I’m starting to get terrified about going to sleep.  Now, I’ve had panic attacks in the past, but never two in a two days.  My symptoms are generally more chronic (chest pain, headache, on edge feelings).  It just seems wierd that I would start Zoloft and then start getting more panic attacks.  Can anyone offer any advice for me? Medication or just the panic disorder rearing it’s ugly head?

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I was put on Buspar (worked up to 30mg/day) in March of this year.  I never saw any significant change in my anxiety or PAs since so in Sept. I decided to ween myself off (my doctor said okay) of it.  Has Buspar helped anyone in any way? The only thing I found that it helped was my migraine headaches.  They seemed to decline amazingly while on it, but I really can’t be sure that it wasn’t related to something else.  Thanks!

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I recently started taking Buspar after a very bad experience with Prozac.  I’ve tried other meds like Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, and even St. John’s Wort. Nothing worked to get rid of my headaches or took me out of a withdrawn state (if anyone reads this, have you ever felt like you were in a fog, couldn’t concentrate, and just lost the "zest", if so, tell me about it.) So far my 10mgs/day of Buspar seems to be helping but it really has only been less than a week…any advice?

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Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft?  I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week.  Teeth hurt too.  My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months).  Maybe it causes teeth clenching?  I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.

Hi Will,         I never had TMJ while taking Zoloft, but I did have other ill effects.  My mother recently did too.  From our experiences, I’d say it’s a pretty good guess that what happened to you may well have been from the drug.  While Zoloft seems to work well for some people, IMO the medical community has a ways to go toward identifying & understanding its range of adverse reactions.  Hope these anecdotes help:         I tried switching from Nardil to Zoloft a few years ago.  Took it for about a month, I think… hard to remember as I was in a complete fog during the entire period.  Anyway, it made me a zombie as well – I felt no trace of humanity in or around me while on it.   It virtually left me unable to *feel* anything at all, or to *think*, for that matter.           It was when I stopped taking it to go back on Nardil, and was waiting the required period for it to clear out of my system, that some really bizarre and frightening symptoms appeared.  I had intense, violent hallucinations that scared the bejeezus out of me   (the *only* hallucinations I’ve ever had, BTW … well, that is if you don’t count the effects of certain substances I ingested in younger days 8- ).  I also was unbelievably anxious during this withdrawal period, which lasted about a week (I think) but felt like an eternity.         My mother, who’s in her 70s, was prescribed Zoloft for depression a month ago by her cardiologist.  She stopped taking it after three weeks because it induced the same zombie effect in her.  She had no withdrawal symptoms at all.  Apparently her depression was transient because it seems to have subsided as well.  Yesterday she felt like getting off the couch and going *out* for the first time since the depression hit.  I took her shopping and she did just fine.         Glad your TMJ and teeth pain stopped.  And I hope you’ve found another med that works better for you.  Take care. Redroad — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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I have heard of this phenomena before, may have been good that you dc’d Zoloft. Randy.

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Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft?  I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week.  Teeth hurt too.  My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months).  Maybe it causes teeth clenching?  I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.

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Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft?  I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week.  Teeth hurt too.  My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months).  Maybe it causes teeth clenching?  I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.

S’not weird, if Zoloft is anything like paxil. And they are both SSRIs. I have TMJ (from teeth clenching) and it got, oh, (this is a rough estimate) about a BAZILLION times worse when I started the paxil. My dear (well, sometimes dear) pdoc said it was a not common but not rare side effect. So it sounds like yer pdoc is a quack, OR Zoloft and paxil are different. But I do think they are pretty similar. Ten days really isn’t enough time to see if an AD is going to help, though if your jaw pain was unbearable… And when paxil worked for me, I felt like a zombie until I was put on a theraputic (heigh enough) dose. So if you feel like another go at it would help, there are plenty of ADs to try.  I hope you can find one that works, if it’s what you need. Good good luck, Bizzy Heather, if you were happy every day of your life, you wouldn’t be a human being. You’d be a game show host.         Veronica Sawyer, Heathers

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Anyone have any strange side effects from Zoloft?  I started to have TMJ pain/tension after taking it for under a week.  Teeth hurt too.  My doctor said this was not caused by the drug but when I stopped taking it, the symptoms disappeared (after about 3 months).  Maybe it causes teeth clenching?  I never felt any less depressed after taking it for 10 dayes. Actually felt like a zombie.

Usually it takes much longer than 10 days for it to have an effect. I wonder if the teeth-clenching had to do with some sort of sleep disruption from the drug — particularly if you were feeling like a zombie. Mike. — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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