Dear Iris, The best way to avoid this problem is to use a preventive inhaler that reduces your need for bronchodilator. How often do you use the bronchodilator? Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris —
Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward.
I have found that using a spacer helps. When I am at home I always use an ‘Optihaler’ spacer with my BD. Otherwise my already poor handwriting becomes totally unreadable.
Dear Iris, The best way to avoid this problem is to use a preventive inhaler that reduces your need for bronchodilator. How often do you use the bronchodilator? Ken
Hi Ken: I’m also on Pulmicort and since I’ve only been on these meds a little over two weeks I have noticed I need the BD less and less. But it still gives me the jitters and I still need it before I exericise in very hot or very cold weather so that’s at least 4-5x/week right now. This morning was the first morning in about 5 days that I woke up and felt I needed the BD. It was also the most humid and hot mornign we’ve had so far this year, so I guess there’s a connection. Iris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris
Well, if ya can’t stop the jitters, at least have fun with them: 1. Hold a glass of milk and ice cream in your hand. Use your BD, and in a few minutes, you have a milkshake 2. Pretend you’re on the Comedy Central show Dr. Katz. 3. Take your BD. Go to work, and complain about the job stress. Mention that you have a subscription to Soldier of Fortune. When you are shaking the most, ask your boss for a vacation. 4. Two words: Human vibrator. 5. Clean the house. You’ll get it done twice as fast. 6. Scare people on the subway. This won’t work if you live in New York though. They’re used to everything. The scary thing is, I’m so used to the jitters, I can write neatly while shaking like a jumping bean. Woodinat Joel: What do you want for Christmas, Crow? Crow: I wanna decide who lives and who dies Joel: Oh, I don’t know…
ROFLMAO & PMP! If you can’t laugh at it, you’re sunk! -Joopie
I can only reiterate that Tornalate is a good beta agonist inhaler for me. I have rarely gotten the jitters on it. When I was in the hospital, the respiratory therapists knew it and exclaimed it was a superior product. It comes in MDI, and solution for nebulizer, and I have used it both ways. Don’t need it very often these days, but always carry it, in case. Made by Dura, I have no connection with them, but don’t understand why I seem to be the only one using it. I want to make sure they stay in business, in case… See if you can get a sample, that’s how I discovered it, and a good thing it was, ’cause I had to bring my sample to the hospital until they could order some for their pharmacy. It seems I’m allergic to albuterol. I have seen it listed in the FAQ for this group, wherever that is now. Good luck,
Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I
get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris<< — Sue M.
Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s?
I never got jitters from my BD’s until my 50th .. now the non-jittery periods are what’s temporary. get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward.
Oh, you didn’t mean birthdays? Never mind. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris Well, if ya can’t stop the jitters, at least have fun with them:
May I ask you’re credentials for prescribing such radical therapy? 1. Hold a glass of milk and ice cream in your hand. Use your BD, and in a few minutes, you have a milkshake
How do you know she isn’t allergic to milk proteins or lactose? Such an irresponsible suggestion may actually precipitate an attack. 2. Pretend you’re on the Comedy Central show Dr. Katz.
Is that M.D. or jsut a Ph.D.? 4. Two words: Human vibrator.
Take your smut to an alt.sex. channel prevert! 5. Clean the house. You’ll get it done twice as fast.
another irresponsible suggestion! — she’ll probably raise twice as much dust and dust mite dander and end up in the ER. 6. Scare people on the subway. This won’t work if you live in New York though. They’re used to everything.
Is this just speculation or can you cite relevant articles? The scary thing is, I’m so used to the jitters, I can write neatly while shaking like a jumping bean.
However, your normal penmanship is probably completely illegible. You MUST be a doctor.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I never got jitters from my BD’s until my 50th .. now the non-jittery periods are what’s temporary. get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. Oh, you didn’t mean birthdays? Never mind. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris Well, if ya can’t stop the jitters, at least have fun with them: May I ask you’re credentials for prescribing such radical therapy? 1. Hold a glass of milk and ice cream in your hand. Use your BD, and in a few minutes, you have a milkshake How do you know she isn’t allergic to milk proteins or lactose? Such an irresponsible suggestion may actually precipitate an attack. 2. Pretend you’re on the Comedy Central show Dr. Katz. Is that M.D. or jsut a Ph.D.? 4. Two words: Human vibrator. Take your smut to an alt.sex. channel prevert! 5. Clean the house. You’ll get it done twice as fast. another irresponsible suggestion! — she’ll probably raise twice as much dust and dust mite dander and end up in the ER. 6. Scare people on the subway. This won’t work if you live in New York though. They’re used to everything. Is this just speculation or can you cite relevant articles? The scary thing is, I’m so used to the jitters, I can write neatly while shaking like a jumping bean. However, your normal penmanship is probably completely illegible. You MUST be a doctor.
Hey, you out ‘natted the Small Woodinat Creature! Congrats! Woodinat Joel: What do you want for Christmas, Crow? Crow: I wanna decide who lives and who dies Joel: Oh, I don’t know…
Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters?
Read a book. Take a bubble bath. Meditate. Pick the relaxer of your choice, and go to it. Chris Owens
Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris —
I believe that some BDs will have more effect on you than others. The dose will probably also make a difference. If you are having problems with unacceptable (to you) side effects I suggest you go back to your MD (US speak) or GP (UK speak). If you are having to use your BD often (e.g. most days or several times a day) it may indicate the need to review the rest of your treatment. Since I started inhaled steroids I’ve needed the BD maybe 10 times, in as many months, and 1 puff instead of the 2 at a time I was using before. The usual cause is that I used to get ‘caught short’ getting another steroid inhaler when the current one ran out, and so my inhaled steroid dose got reduced. A few days later I would get a bit ‘clogged up’. Now I have a spare – one on, one clean and one in the wash (the repeat prescription request form!) so to speak. At my level of use I’m not bothered about the jitters and they are less since it’s only 1 puff. For the very few weeks when the BD was my only medicine I was not happy about the prospect at all. I suspect my workmates wern’t either! Any advice on how to deal with the temporary jitters you get from BD’s? I get jittery, my hands tremble slightly. It lasts for about 20 minutes to a half hour but it drives me crazy. I avoid taking my BD unless I absolutely have to, but when my chest is congested and I break down and take it, I can really cough up lots of stuff and clear everything out. I do feel better afterward. What does one do to get through the jitters? Iris
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This week I was diagnosed with Adult ADHD. While this is not entirely a surprise and I am glad I’m not Bipolar instead, I am still pretty much freaking out about what this means and what the future holds, etc. I am also worried about how the hell I will afford a psychiatrist, a psychotherapist, and prescription meds given that I am one of the many million of Americans without medical insurance. I am about to finish grad school, assuming I don’t flunk out. I want to learn as much as possible about the disorder, treatment options, and related relationship issues. Anecdotes about your own experiences and types of Adult ADD/ADHD would be helpful, as would insights into how you all deal with romantic relationships. I’m a dyke, currently single, and I wonder what I can learn while I am still single that will help me navigate a successful relationship in the future – assuming I don’t "scare the horses" with my diagnosis. What were you *like" before your diagnosis, and then after treatment began? Can you give me some specific behavioral examples that illustrate your experiences? Is it possible to manage ADHD without meds? Which meds work – and how? Will I magically be come a more productive and focused person on meds, less prone to anger and irritability, more capable of holding a rewarding job, and more calm/less distracted? If I go on meds, will my sex drive suffer, will I gain weight, or will I have to deal with other unpleasant side effects? I have already been on and have come off Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and Topamax, which were prescribed for panic disorder – all of which made me either suicidal, catatonic, seriously deperssed, or sexually numb. I don’t want to go through that again! What experiences do you have of dealing with co-morbid conditions such as panic disorder, anxiety, and depression. One last thing – I am probably the only 34 year-old American who does not drive and never has. I suspect that my fear of driving may have something to do with being ADHD, but I don’t know. It could also be a phobia – or simply related to my panic disorder, but basically I am scared shitless of either killing myself or someone else if I get behind the wheel of a car. I find it difficult to integrate looking around me, figuring out which road I need to turn into, figuring out which lane to be in, watching for small children or red lights, or obstacles, and signalling appropriately, as well as actually operating the machinery. Has anyone ever heard of this sort of problem, or experienced something similar? Now that I live in California, I really need to get over it and get a license and a car, because SD Transit is killing my social life! Your input would be greatly appreciated. Vik San Diego, CA
This week I was diagnosed with Adult ADHD. While this is not entirely
a surprise and I am glad I’m not Bipolar instead, I am still pretty much freaking out about what this means and what the future holds, etc. I am also worried about how the hell I will afford a psychiatrist, a psychotherapist, and prescription meds given that I am one of the many million of Americans without medical insurance. I am about to finish grad school, assuming I don’t flunk out. Whoa… hold on here… Just remember–you didn’t just "get" ADHD–you just got "diagnosed"–this should be a good thing–not something to freak you out. The key is to realize that you have obviously developed some coping mechanisms since you have made it to grad school–the thing is, some of them are helpful and some are harmful. You will be able to figure which are which as you educate yourself on the dis-ease that you have always had. As for not having medical insurance–shame on you–but BOY do I understand!! (I too am a poor perpetual student–veterinary resident–so a little pay, but not quiet minmum wage when you work it out–thank goodness I get medical insurance through the state as I work at a university). There are programs through the drug companies to provide medication at a reduced or free rate to qualified individuals. Ask the Dr. who diagnosed you to use "samples" when trying a new drug so you don’t spend money on meds that aren’t going to work for you. <<I want to learn as much as possible about the disorder, treatment options, and related relationship issues. Anecdotes about your own experiences and types of Adult ADD/ADHD would be helpful, as would insights into how you all deal with romantic relationships. I’m a dyke, currently single, and I wonder what I can learn while I am still single that will help me navigate a successful relationship in the future – assuming I don’t "scare the horses" with my diagnosis. This entire forum is a good place for anecdotes–but remember that everyone’s experiences will be different–although I bet you will recognize yourself in many of them! <<What were you *like" before your diagnosis, and then after treatment began? Can you give me some specific behavioral examples that illustrate your experiences? I was diagnosed as a 7 year old, but through structure and activity I didn’t need meds until I was "on my own" and having more responsibilities without any "love-ingly nagging" parents to help me organize my time. But some of my symptoms: –the small child lying in the middle of the grocery store aisle kicking and screaming –severe seperation anxiety–camp was a HUGE ordeal–ended up loving it in the end –Very creative ("gifted"), but insisted on doing things MY way –"hyper-emotional" "hyper-mature" –Would rather hang out with just a few friends than a big group (easily overstimulated) –On the go –Happiest "doing" rather than watching (ie–interrupting, 18 projects going on at once, very active in sports) –Impulse spending –Moody–especially PMS –oh yea–had anxiety issues that led to skin picking Since treatment: Straterra 80mg/Effexor 150 +37.5 during PMS/Buspar 20-30mg) –Realize when i am procrastinating (See "Motivation" thread on the forum –Realize when I am interrupting–unless it is something I am really excited about–then usually realize after the fact–oops! –More rational about my emotions, realize when I am heading toward a HULK episode–can usually nip it in the bud–not always… –Activity level still high –skin picking less–again–realize it, but don’t always choose to stop it. –Still moody after big changes in activity (ie–semi depressed after a big project is done…) Basically with meds i can monitor my behavior better–doesn’t always mean I change it as habits die hard! <<Is it possible to manage ADHD without meds? Which meds work – and how? Will I magically be come a more productive and focused person on meds,less prone to anger and irritability, more capable of holding a rewarding job, and more calm/less distracted? If I go on meds, will my sex drive suffer, will I gain weight, or will I have to deal with other unpleasant side effects? I have already been on and have come off Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and Topamax, which were prescribed for panic disorder – all of which made me either suicidal, catatonic, seriously deperssed, or sexually numb. I don’t want to go through that again! I am less prone to irritability and anger for sure–probably becasue I realize when i am "overstimulated" and remove myself from the situation. I was hopeing to become magically more productive, etc. BUT–not so…. I think the meds make me more "aware" so I can choose to change my behavior–I recommend at least a couple of sessions of therapy to recomment tricks to change your behavior. I am lucky and have had no big side effects with the meds. The dr. has avoided true stimulants becasue of the skin picking issue (anxiety related). I have had night sweats and that is about it. <<What experiences do you have of dealing with co-morbid conditions such as panic disorder, anxiety, and depression. All very common with ADHD. Usually treating ADHD (if that is the underlying cause) diminishes the others to some degree. <<One last thing – I am probably the only 34 year-old American who does not drive and never has. I suspect that my fear of driving may have something to do with being ADHD, but I don’t know. It could also be a phobia – or simply related to my panic disorder, but basically I am scared shitless of either killing myself or someone else if I get behind the wheel of a car. I find it difficult to integrate looking around me, figuring out which road I need to turn into, figuring out which lane to be in, watching for small children or red lights, or obstacles, and signalling appropriately, as well as actually operating the machinery. Has anyone ever heard of this sort of problem, or experienced something similar? Now that I live in California, I really need to get over it and get a license and a car, because SD Transit is killing my social life! I think this is probably a learned behavior by now, so treating the ADHD may help you some, but overcoming your fear will take more than meds. I reccomend finding a calm, supportive friend to help you start driving in a parking lot where you don’t have so many distractions. <<Your input would be greatly appreciated. Good luck! Hang in there! RV
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This week I was diagnosed with Adult ADHD. While this is not entirely a surprise and I am glad I’m not Bipolar instead, I am still pretty much freaking out about what this means and what the future holds, etc. I am also worried about how the hell I will afford a psychiatrist, a psychotherapist, and prescription meds given that I am one of the many million of Americans without medical insurance. I am about to finish grad school, assuming I don’t flunk out. I want to learn as much as possible about the disorder, treatment options, and related relationship issues. Anecdotes about your own experiences and types of Adult ADD/ADHD would be helpful, as would insights into how you all deal with romantic relationships. I’m a dyke, currently single, and I wonder what I can learn while I am still single that will help me navigate a successful relationship in the future – assuming I don’t "scare the horses" with my diagnosis. What were you *like" before your diagnosis, and then after treatment began? Can you give me some specific behavioral examples that illustrate your experiences? Is it possible to manage ADHD without meds? Which meds work – and how? Will I magically be come a more productive and focused person on meds, less prone to anger and irritability, more capable of holding a rewarding job, and more calm/less distracted? If I go on meds, will my sex drive suffer, will I gain weight, or will I have to deal with other unpleasant side effects? I have already been on and have come off Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and Topamax, which were prescribed for panic disorder – all of which made me either suicidal, catatonic, seriously deperssed, or sexually numb. I don’t want to go through that again! What experiences do you have of dealing with co-morbid conditions such as panic disorder, anxiety, and depression. One last thing – I am probably the only 34 year-old American who does not drive and never has. I suspect that my fear of driving may have something to do with being ADHD, but I don’t know. It could also be a phobia – or simply related to my panic disorder, but basically I am scared shitless of either killing myself or someone else if I get behind the wheel of a car. I find it difficult to integrate looking around me, figuring out which road I need to turn into, figuring out which lane to be in, watching for small children or red lights, or obstacles, and signalling appropriately, as well as actually operating the machinery. Has anyone ever heard of this sort of problem, or experienced something similar? Now that I live in California, I really need to get over it and get a license and a car, because SD Transit is killing my social life! Your input would be greatly appreciated. Vik San Diego, CA
Vik <Big Preface No-one here that Ive seen will give you medical advice nor should they. Opinions – at least from me are just that – only opinions. Everyone here seems different but you will be able to identlify 
The people here are nice </Big Preface I am also newly diagnosed and kinda get the freaking bit but for different reasons. To address the issues I think your looking at re freaking…. I look at this slightly differently. To me ADD has upsides that I havent seen mentioned here. Having said that Im mildly ADD and havent been as obviously hammered as some. Statistically your likely to have an above average IQ. This is a good thing. The ability to hyperfocus is a good thing (if/when you can access it) particularly in conjunction with the IQ thing.If youre interested you can keep many things going at once – and on it goes. For me it aint all bad. I see it a little bit like being colour blind but making up for that by being able to see in the dark. Unfortuneatly the world operates in colour which is where I come unstuck. Im on Dex which basically allows me to see enough colour that I can work with people better. From what Ive seen there are two distinct groups here. Those that have the "H" and those who dont. Im one of the latter. Im probably Hypoactive not Hyper. I tend to have extended vague-outs. Cant comment to much on cost but for me Dex costs AU$23.00/month Dealing with people for me has been *so* much easier for a variety of reasons. All those little things that used to give me the shits just dont any more. Im *much* more patient. I dont interrupt others while theyre talking anywhere near as much as I used to so people dont get as pissed of at me. FTR this absolutely isnt a doped up / drugged patience,its a Im more alert but can deal with it thing. People smile at you in the morning and you actually notice and smile back. Dont know why youd "scare the horses". If you were diabetic would you feel the need to announce it at first meeting? Colour blind, had a heart condition ? I wouldnt/dont tell anyone that doesnt need to know. If you have someone who is getting close to you you might want to prep them with a "how to deal with me" talk but til them its no-ones business but yours. Dex makes me more focused but along with the procrastination I have to work on it. Meds arent,for me, a "cure". The effect is very much like the interrupting thing. I still start to interrupt at the moment but catch myself with my mouth open – I then have the choice as to what to do. If I find a moth Im far more likely to get distracted – realise Ive been distracted and get back to what I was doing. If Im procrastinating Dex lowers the hill I have to climb. The hill is still there but much smaller. Dex,as I understand it,typically reduces appetite. This has been the case with me but Ive always had to schedul meals and make sure I ate them – skinny guy lightening metabolism . One flash and its ash. My Doc here in Australia said that Ritalin is typically given to kids and Dex to adults – at least for the first prescription for just this reason (amongst others). In terms of holding a job Im statistically in the highest earning 10% in the country. I got it without meds and being self taught in my field and I enjoy what I do. Sounds like I make a fortune but have a look at the stats from the US which Im sure would be similar and Im sure youll be surprise how low that number is. I was. BTW – normally Id find this bit *really* tacky. I hate talking about incomes but it does prove you can function and hold down a good job. Re sex drive Some of the meds have the unfortunate side effect with guys of increasing desire but decreasing ability – not sure how that would work with a lady So….there you go …..my two cents worth Rod
As for not having medical insurance–shame on you–but BOY do I understand!! (I too am a poor perpetual student–veterinary resident–so a
Do your student fees include medical coverage? Some do. little pay, but not quiet minmum wage when you work it out–thank goodness I get medical insurance through the state as I work at a university). There are programs through the drug companies to provide medication at a reduced or free rate to qualified individuals. Ask the Dr. who diagnosed you to use "samples" when trying a new drug so you don’t spend money on meds that aren’t going to work for you.
Doctors can’t give out "samples" of regulated drugs, which includes the more common ADD treatments. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html
There are programs through the drug companies to provide medication at a reduced or free rate to qualified individuals.
If you’re in the US you can check if the med you’re prescribed is on one of these programs at: http://www.needymeds.com/ . Multiple listings of any med means it’s available via different programs. Vashti
. I’m a dyke, currently single, and I wonder what I can learn while I am still single that will help me navigate a successful relationship in the future – assuming I don’t "scare the horses" with my diagnosis.
Here in England dyke means lesbian. It is an offensive word – like faggot.
<<Doctors can’t give out "samples" of regulated drugs, which includes the more common ADD treatments. –Oh yea–good point! In the veterinary field we don’t have to worry about that so much. Occ. we do get the "drug-hunting" owner. I guess I was also thinking of Straterra in particular.
. I’m a dyke, currently single, and I wonder what I can learn while I am still single that will help me navigate a successful relationship in the future – assuming I don’t "scare the horses" with my diagnosis. Here in England dyke means lesbian. It is an offensive word – like faggot.
It is offensive in the US as well, if, and only if, used by persons who are not lesbians to refer to persons who are lesbians. For example there are numerous motorcycle clubs and bicycle clubs around the world calling themselves "Dykes on Bikes" including one in London <http://www.geocities.com/dykesonbikesuk/. And referring to a pair of diagonal-cutting pliers or the famous earthworks in the Netherlands as "dykes" is not generally offensive to anyone except those who are determined to be offended. — –John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This week I was diagnosed with Adult ADHD. While this is not entirely a surprise and I am glad I’m not Bipolar instead, I am still pretty much freaking out about what this means and what the future holds, etc. I am also worried about how the hell I will afford a psychiatrist, a psychotherapist, and prescription meds given that I am one of the many million of Americans without medical insurance. I am about to finish grad school, assuming I don’t flunk out. I want to learn as much as possible about the disorder, treatment options, and related relationship issues. Anecdotes about your own experiences and types of Adult ADD/ADHD would be helpful, as would insights into how you all deal with romantic relationships. I’m a dyke, currently single, and I wonder what I can learn while I am still single that will help me navigate a successful relationship in the future – assuming I don’t "scare the horses" with my diagnosis. What were you *like" before your diagnosis, and then after treatment began? Can you give me some specific behavioral examples that illustrate your experiences? Is it possible to manage ADHD without meds? Which meds work – and how? Will I magically be come a more productive and focused person on meds, less prone to anger and irritability, more capable of holding a rewarding job, and more calm/less distracted? If I go on meds, will my sex drive suffer, will I gain weight, or will I have to deal with other unpleasant side effects? I have already been on and have come off Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and Topamax, which were prescribed for panic disorder – all of which made me either suicidal, catatonic, seriously deperssed, or sexually numb. I don’t want to go through that again! What experiences do you have of dealing with co-morbid conditions such as panic disorder, anxiety, and depression. One last thing – I am probably the only 34 year-old American who does not drive and never has. I suspect that my fear of driving may have something to do with being ADHD, but I don’t know. It could also be a phobia – or simply related to my panic disorder, but basically I am scared shitless of either killing myself or someone else if I get behind the wheel of a car. I find it difficult to integrate looking around me, figuring out which road I need to turn into, figuring out which lane to be in, watching for small children or red lights, or obstacles, and signalling appropriately, as well as actually operating the machinery. Has anyone ever heard of this sort of problem, or experienced something similar? Now that I live in California, I really need to get over it and get a license and a car, because SD Transit is killing my social life!
That’s interesting. I was surprised that a friend’s teenager wasn’t raring to get behind the wheel–I asked her about it and she said she "doesn’t multi-task very well" and seemed to be afraid. Kind of surprising because she seems to be the adventurous sort otherwise. Not ADHD–she was evaluated for that and found not to have it. I wonder if you and she are experiencing the same thing? One thing that may help–don’t try to learn in a city–if you can find a friend who’ll take you out far from the madding crowd and let you practice on back roads in the country where you don’t have to go fast or dodge a lot of traffic you can get the conditioned responses down and once you’ve done that so that you don’t have to constantly think about the mechanics of keeping the car on the road and going straight the whole thing may become a lot easier for you. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Vik San Diego, CA
– –John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Here in England dyke means lesbian. It is an offensive word – like faggot.
Here in the US dyke means lesbian too. I didn’t mean to imply that I am a kangaroo or something – I meant to explain that I am a gay woman. And in England, where I am originally from and lived for a total of 18 years so far, lots of dykes self-ID as dykes. Lots of lesbians self-ID as lesbians there too. And lots of English queers self-ID as queer. I guess any of these terms are only offensive to those who have not reclaimed the langugage. With that said, while in the UK, I’ve only lived in Sheffield, Liverpool, and London as a dyke – maybe in your neck of the woods (and social strata) the term ‘dyke’ is not the sexuality descriptive of choice. But it is for me. Cheers mate, Vik
And referring to a pair of diagonal-cutting pliers or the famous earthworks in the Netherlands as "dykes" is not generally offensive to anyone except those who are determined to be offended.
Better yet being referred to as being akin to a dike is a *complement*. A dike is considered a great thing and somewhere along the line the phrase was born: "Zij is een dijk van een vrouw" would translate literally as : she’s a dike of a woman, ie a great/strong woman. Used to describe those of either gender in a positive way. Don’t know about the diagonal-cutting pliers though, you lost me on that one. Vashti
Is it possible to manage ADHD without meds? Which meds work – and how? Will I magically be come a more productive and focused person on meds, less prone to anger and irritability, more capable of holding a rewarding job, and more calm/less distracted? If I go on meds, will my sex drive suffer, will I gain weight, or will I have to deal with other unpleasant side effects?
Answering these questions form my experience only: It is possible to manage ADD without meds, until it isn’t. With me, it became much less possible once I had kids. Generic Ritalin (methylphenidate) works great for me and it’s cheap. Yes I did become magically more productive, etc. But I’m still ADD. The differences are usually subtle, but good. My driving got much better. My sex drive didn’t change at all. In fact my meds make it easier to concentrate, so if anything it’s better. No weight gain, sleep difficulties, or any other side effects. I’m lucky, but I think this is the case more often than not.
: This week I was diagnosed with Adult ADHD. While this is not entirely : a surprise and I am glad I’m not Bipolar instead, I am still pretty : much freaking out about what this means and what the future holds, : etc. I am also worried about how the hell I will afford a : psychiatrist, a psychotherapist, and prescription meds given that I am : one of the many million of Americans without medical insurance. I am : about to finish grad school, assuming I don’t flunk out. What about your Student Health Centre? Financial Aid may have bursaries for help. That’s how i paid for my eight hours ($1200) of AD/HD testing. The Doc i see who specializes in AD/HD is at Student Health. For the last four years, i have had a job on campus working with students. I have learned a lot about how to deal with such situations. (e.g. finding resources!) What school are you at? : panic disorder – all of which made me either suicidal, catatonic, : seriously deperssed, or sexually numb. I don’t want to go through : that again! The panic/anxiety/depression gets better with meds. Ritalin didn’t calm me down, but Dexedrine does. In retrospect, much of that anxiety is from benig scatter-brained and panicked over feeling like a disorganized walking disaster, i found. The depression was the helplessness over my workload (due to Executive impairments.) You may want to look up the phrase "Executive Function" on GOOGLE, to understand what in the brain is impaired. : What experiences do you have of dealing with co-morbid conditions such : as panic disorder, anxiety, and depression. See above. : One last thing – I am probably the only 34 year-old American who does : not drive and never has. I suspect that my fear of driving may have : something to do with being ADHD, but I don’t know. It could also be a : phobia – or simply related to my panic disorder, but basically I am : scared shitless of either killing myself or someone else if I get : behind the wheel of a car. I find it difficult to integrate looking : around me, figuring out which road I need to turn into, figuring out : which lane to be in, watching for small children or red lights, or : obstacles, and signalling appropriately, as well as actually operating : the machinery. Has anyone ever heard of this sort of problem, or : experienced something similar? Now that I live in California, I really : need to get over it and get a license and a car, because SD Transit is : killing my social life! Yup. AD/HDers have a higher rate of accidents — likely due to inattention and/or impulsivity. But with some help and planning, you will manage. <G Emma
I am also recently pre-diagnosed with probably ADHD. For me, this is an incredible relief as the previous Bipolar diagnosis left me with unsuitable meds that didn’t even come cloe to helping me feel and/or be Normal. And when I say Normal, I mean MY definition of Normal. All I need to do now is verify what pill is pinkish-orange and has a ’score-line’ to help cut it in half, with the number 4930 over the ’score-line’ and the letter V under it. Does anyone have a recent PDR they could look this thing up in for me, please? TIA
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am also recently pre-diagnosed with probably ADHD. For me, this is an incredible relief as the previous Bipolar diagnosis left me with unsuitable meds that didn’t even come cloe to helping me feel and/or be Normal. And when I say Normal, I mean MY definition of Normal. All I need to do now is verify what pill is pinkish-orange and has a ’score-line’ to help cut it in half, with the number 4930 over the ’score-line’ and the letter V under it. Does anyone have a recent PDR they could look this thing up in for me, please?
You can sign up for an online PDR here: http://www.pdr.net/pdrnet/librarian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am also recently pre-diagnosed with probably ADHD. For me, this is an incredible relief as the previous Bipolar diagnosis left me with unsuitable meds that didn’t even come cloe to helping me feel and/or be Normal. And when I say Normal, I mean MY definition of Normal. All I need to do now is verify what pill is pinkish-orange and has a ’score-line’ to help cut it in half, with the number 4930 over the ’score-line’ and the letter V under it. Does anyone have a recent PDR they could look this thing up in for me, please? You can sign up for an online PDR here: http://www.pdr.net/pdrnet/librarian
AWESOME! THANK YOU!
How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"
Dan: I am 51, and while I stopped taking meds this fall, I was previously on Celexa 20 mg for 3 years and Paxil 20 mg and then 30 mg for one year. – Anne
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"
I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"
I’m 57, and have been on the TCA dothiepin (prothiaden) for some years – though recently discontinued it, and have felt no ill effect from that: therapy alone is now enough for me. Before the TCA, I was on Paxil, which didn’t agree with me – too many side effects. If I needed an AD again, I would go back to dothiepin. -David-
Hi Dan! I’m 57 and I’ve been on Paxil for about 4 – 5 years. I only require 10 mg. I seem to be very sensitive to meds, but I don’t know if it’s due to age or not. Even that amount, combined with .5 mg Ativan twice a day makes me lethargic. Dot
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit" I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip Thanks Philip, Is that "imipramine" the generic name or the other name form.
It’s the generic name. Most common brand name: *Tofranil*. I should buy a medical book to look these up.
You can find them on the net at Arthur’s excellent dictionary at http://www.anxiety-panic.com Is it taken daily and in what measurements does it come.
Here the smalles dosage is 25 mg (and I also mean the pill is so small that one can hardly cut it in half). In the US tabs 0f 10 mg are available. It is taken daily, like with all AD’s it’s a matter of finding out whether taking it in the AM or in the PM agrees best with you. I actually take part of it in the AM and part of it in the PM, don’t really remember why 
Like all TCA’s is has a large therapeutic window, from 75 mg to, say, 225 mg. Too high TCA doses are toxic though which angain is individual and can, if necessary, being measured by blood work. (Just as a side note, my regular MD, told me yesterday–that I sould ask my psycharist to switch me to another medicine, when I told him I was no lonfer taking celexa-because of excessive sleepiness).
If that sleepiness bothers you too much it may be a good idea. I am going to ask my Pdoc about it–but I’m not so sure he’ll put me on it anyway.
Another good choice may be Effexor, a newer med which, like TCA’s but in a somewhat different way, targets both serotonin and norepinephrine receptors. The different types of doctors–if they do one thing–it is protect their territory–when you ask for a med. change.
I have been rather lucky in this dept. as my pdoc actually agreed to my own choice of meds. Also you MAY be right about age making no difference, but if so–then it’s one of those very RARE things where age doesn’t count.
This is a big *YMMV*, I was strictly talking about myself. Medication for the elderly (but we’re not yet there when we are in our fifties or early sixties IMO) can sometimes be different (as in smaller benzo doses, for instance, or no TCA’s when having cardiovascular problems etc.etc.) Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you?
Zoloft for anxiety and depression, Ativan when needed, and Concerta to keep me peppy. Take care, Liz
So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. I’m 58 and started Zoloft for depression 10 years ago (when I was 48). My dose of Zoloft depends on whether I am depressed or not. I also take a TCA called desipramine to boost the effects of the Zoloft. Zoloft works well for me. I take Klonopin for anxiety/panic/agoraphobia. Chip
Thank you each and every one . As for zoloft–I just could not take that–it kept me awake. Celexa–the opposite. Basically–I can use xanax for attacks of anxiety–with no problem, but I would definately like to try something else. Good suggestions here–will he write me something different is the question.
I am posting this for LM being his post never showed up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ubject: If You are at least 50 Years of age and on anti-depressants How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"
the only time age is a factor in prescribing any medication is if the patient is geriatric in nature, or has some compromised abilities in metabolizing some types of drugs-usually the longer half life drugs like valium, klonopin and prozac etc… other then that profile of patient and drug are used as a methodology for prescribing LM ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit" I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip
Thanks Philip, Is that "imipramine" the generic name or the other name form. I should buy a medical book to look these up. Is it taken daily and in what measurements does it come. (Just as a side note, my regular MD, told me yesterday–that I sould ask my psycharist to switch me to another medicine, when I told him I was no lonfer taking celexa-because of excessive sleepiness). I am going to ask my Pdoc about it–but I’m not so sure he’ll put me on it anyway. The different types of doctors–if they do one thing–it is protect their territory–when you ask for a med. change. Also you MAY be right about age making no difference, but if so–then it’s one of those very RARE things where age doesn’t count. Thanks much for your comment.
So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here.
I’m 58 and started Zoloft for depression 10 years ago (when I was 48). My dose of Zoloft depends on whether I am depressed or not. I also take a TCA called desipramine to boost the effects of the Zoloft. Zoloft works well for me. I take Klonopin for anxiety/panic/agoraphobia. Chip
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robert, dont reply to this sick troll because I have Steve blocked and whenever you reply to him remnants of his posts show up in my newsreader. Just ignore Steve Robert, Steve is a very mentally ill man who does not realize how mentally ill he is. He is one of these people whose got serious problems but is in denial about it. Its obvious that Steve has some problems. Im too burned out talking about this asshole to go into all the details. You know Steve has got some problems…and I know Steve has got some problems. However I do not think Steve realizes he has got some problems. Again, Im done conversing with Steve and I would encourage you and others to not converse with him either. Just ignore him, ostracize him…eventually he will leave. Eric . My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression
I’ll give it a shot, Al, I hate to see the cheap shots against you plus I’m pro med, it keeps me sane. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve.
I guess Eric feels you need his help to surf safely, Robert! Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader.
And how is this anyone’s concern, save Eric’s? Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc.
So, according to Eric, his sister is totally unqualified to say anything http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… If a full psychologist is worthless, why does Eric cite the opinion of a person with just a BS in psychology? Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually.
My word, a person you hold up to be a psychology expert is laughing at the suffering of someone who she is diagnosing as very ill? What’s wrong with this picture? Perhaps the only place this meeting took place was in Eric’s tortured and defective brain. Are we to believe that a psychology expert, such as the person Eric holds up will after a few minutes study of internet posts make a serious diagnosis of a severe mental illness? What’s wrong with this picture? She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion.
Please post the EXACT posts of mine which form the basis for this diagnosis, please Eric. As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA,
Eric denied the many posts I put up about this unusual, but by no means rare fact. Please go back to my old posts this summer, or read www.ect.org. along with his constant talking about lobotomies,
Which I mainly mention to defend Eric’s nemesis, Dr. Peter Breggin, or to point out how modified versions of the procedure are being performed at Harvard’s mental hospital, McLean. "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry.
Here Eric seems to be implying that since he has been a mental patient for four years he is an authority on all aspects of psychiatry! Delusional thinking in MY opinion! http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html Here is an interesting quote from the Yale web site, listed above, on the Gamma Knife: Who can benefit from this treatment? Indications at present include: * benign tumors such as meningiomas, acoustic neuromas, pituitary adenomas and craniopharyngiomas * primary or recurrent malignant brain tumors such as astrocytomas or oligodendrogliomas * solitary and multiple brain metastases * head and neck tumors such as nasopharyngeal carcinomas and ocular melanomas * arteriovenous malformations (AVMs) * trigeminal neuralgia and cluster headaches * intractable pain secondary to cancer * movement disorders such as Parkinson’s disease and essential tremor investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies. <http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/graphics/top.gif She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions.
Do list this catalogue of mental illness, would you, Eric. I am sure it will make interesting, and amusing reading! My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me.
SO then not seeing things as Eric sees them is now defined as a mental illness? Not surprising for a troubled fellow who evaluates the worth of a drug by the results he obtained during the use thereof, and bases suggestions to other people exclusively upon his limited experience. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert.
In other words, Eric is a liar who has one goal here: Defense of his dysfunctional belief system based upon a defective brain, rather then taking ANY personal responsibility for his present state. I will grant that the production of propaganda, out of whole cloth, by Eric would have stood him in good stead with Himmler and other proponents of the ‘big lie’ technique. Come to your own conclusions.
I think I’m going to stay out of this one, drugs saved my sanity and my life, nuff said. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader. Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Gee, Robert, sounds like Eric thinks you need his protection. What do you think? Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc. However Eric has stated time and again that talk therapy is worthless. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&rnum=22&selm=20010327104630.277… Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually. So you sister shares your unique ability to diagnose over the internet, Eric? Would you care to post the EXACT posts which your totally unqualified, to apply your own standards, sister has reached? She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion. Please post any post which I wrote that would lead to such a conclusion, then please contrast it with a wonderful gem of your own, Eric, like this one:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA, Evidence which I posted to the unusual, but by no means rare practice was ignored by Eric. along with his constant talking about lobotomies, I rarely mention lobotomies, usually to defend Dr. Peter Breggin, who, as Eric agrees, lead the movement to push lobotomy from the mainstream of psychiatric practice, and limit it to places such as Harvard Universities mental hospital, McLean Hospital. "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry. So by being a severely depressed mental patient Eric is by some mystical form of osmosis to learn of every aspect of psychiatry? And he accuses me of thought disorders! http://193.132.197.83/ContentInternational.nsf?Open Pay special attention to the Parkinson’s section, please:http://www.nwhgammaknife.com/gamma/conditionsframes/frameset.html and from yale: http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html#who "In addition, the gamma knife is being used as an investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric disease. Patients referred to the Yale-New Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies." Finding this information took me less then 5 minutes. I am sure that Eric is an experienced web user who could duplicate my efforts in about the same amount of time. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions. Do share with us the results of your sisters diagnosis, Eric. Do tell us the many delusions from which I suffer. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert. In other words, Robert, Eric is a liar who will even invent material from whole cloth to serve his ends, which to me seem to perpetuate the dysfunctional belief system he functions under, due to fear to face his inner demons. But thats just my opinion!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader. Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state.
Gee, Robert, sounds like Eric thinks you need his protection. What do you think? Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc.
However Eric has stated time and again that talk therapy is worthless. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&rnum=22&selm=20010327104630.277… Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually.
So you sister shares your unique ability to diagnose over the internet, Eric? Would you care to post the EXACT posts which your totally unqualified, to apply your own standards, sister has reached? She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion.
Please post any post which I wrote that would lead to such a conclusion, then please contrast it with a wonderful gem of your own, Eric, like this one:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.support.depression.medica… As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA,
Evidence which I posted to the unusual, but by no means rare practice was ignored by Eric. along with his constant talking about lobotomies,
I rarely mention lobotomies, usually to defend Dr. Peter Breggin, who, as Eric agrees, lead the movement to push lobotomy from the mainstream of psychiatric practice, and limit it to places such as Harvard Universities mental hospital, McLean Hospital. "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry.
So by being a severely depressed mental patient Eric is by some mystical form of osmosis to learn of every aspect of psychiatry? And he accuses me of thought disorders! http://193.132.197.83/ContentInternational.nsf?Open Pay special attention to the Parkinson’s section, please:http://www.nwhgammaknife.com/gamma/conditionsframes/frameset.html and from yale: http://www.ynhh.org/gammaknife/infophysician.html#who "In addition, the gamma knife is being used as an investigational tool for certain forms of epilepsy and psychiatric disease. Patients referred to the Yale-New Haven Gamma Knife Center will be evaluated by a team of specialists with extensive experience, including neurosurgeons, radiation oncologists and neuroradiologists. Candidates for the procedure are selected for treatment only after a thorough review of all prior records and imaging studies." Finding this information took me less then 5 minutes. I am sure that Eric is an experienced web user who could duplicate my efforts in about the same amount of time. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions.
Do share with us the results of your sisters diagnosis, Eric. Do tell us the many delusions from which I suffer. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert.
In other words, Robert, Eric is a liar who will even invent material from whole cloth to serve his ends, which to me seem to perpetuate the dysfunctional belief system he functions under, due to fear to face his inner demons. But thats just my opinion!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. The reason I find Eric so dangerous is that he writes with such authority, and unless one is skeptical or has been around the bad, dangerous advice eric gives could hurt other people. The fact that the basis for Eric to make a decision is solely HIS experience is another reason I comment when his posts are less then accurate. Naturally my writing is my own opinion, I am not a doctor. Eric, on the other hand seems to believe that being a mental patient for four years gives him some special knowledge which I lack. I disagree, vigorously.
I think your not giving people enough credit, IMHO your persecution of one poster shines a bad light on you. Linda Gore gives statistics without a shred of evidence yet that seems to be ok because she is ant-med. Well the thing is she IMHO is the most fucked up poster here and I bet it’s cause she won’t seek treatment by those nasty meds that are so evil yet give me such solace. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her.
The reason I find Eric so dangerous is that he writes with such authority, and unless one is skeptical or has been around the bad, dangerous advice eric gives could hurt other people. The fact that the basis for Eric to make a decision is solely HIS experience is another reason I comment when his posts are less then accurate. Naturally my writing is my own opinion, I am not a doctor. Eric, on the other hand seems to believe that being a mental patient for four years gives him some special knowledge which I lack. I disagree, vigorously. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health.
Linda Gore does the same damn thing but I don’t see you criticize her. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar. Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey Robert, dont reply to the trolls like Steve. Ive got him blocked, but when you reply to him his posts show up in my newsreader. Steve is a very mentally ill troll, in denial of his delusional state. Yesterday my sister came over for Thanksgiving and I mentioned to her this troll guy who follows me around on Usenet harassing me. I told her I suspected he is mentally ill but in no treatment program for it. You see, my sister has a Bachelor of Science in psychology. She completed 36 hours in psychology and was in a social work masters degree program but dropped out cause she realized she didnt want to work in the mental health field. She knows a lot about psychology, talk therapy, etc. Anyway I had her read some of Steve’s nutcase posts. She was laughing at his posts and told me that Steve is clearly delusional, to the point he has paranoid delusions actually. She told me his incessant belief that psychiatry is out to get us all is a paranoid delusion. As well as his constant neverending insistence that forced ECT is still commonplace in the USA, along with his constant talking about lobotomies, "gamma ray" lobotomy machines and other nonsense that I have never even heard of in all my four years of being involved with psychiatry. She cited delusion after delusion with Steve, some of them paranoid delusions. My sister told me Steve clearly needs to be in a psychotic disorders treatment program, possibly at a teaching hospital. His mood does not seem to be that low, thus his problem is most likely a psychotic condition…a disorder of perception she told me. In other words, Steve’s a grade A nutcase Robert. Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression
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You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare… which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them..
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought. Yes, a thought…or idea… which can prey upon your mind…BUT where its an ideation…only..its unaccompanied by the impulse…or desire to act upon the thought…me thinks.. Hope you feel better today…
Thank you, — ~misfit~
Hi misfit… the SSRI’s like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some, most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them…
Cite your sources. Prozac incited the idea in me once…the second time I went on Prozac…and I spent one really terrified coping with such an idea.. after I gotten bad news in the middle of the night…about an uncle who had committed suicide.. and the suggestion of it…would not leave me…
Runs in the family I see. I called a hotline…and the person who took my call ended up making me so angry…so I hung up..
Anger and getting along with people seam to be trouble for you Linda Gore. I think the thing really helped me…even while I couldnt get the ideas out of my mind…I still knew it was the Prozac inciting the idea, and not my idea… ..
The fault my dear Brutus is not in our stars but in our selves…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). I am 40 years old, male, and have always tended towards depression, my mother also suffers with it and has been on Prozac for years. I was on Prozac myself about two years ago but only for a couple of months, I had some side-effects that I didn’t like such as profuse sweating, anxiety, insomnia and lowered libido. I entered into a relationship just after that and life got better. I’ve just (two weeks ago) been released from jail after serving six months for cultivation of cannabis. When I had about one month to go I got a letter from my fiancee saying she was leaving me. Turned out she had an affair with someone she met in a chat room (and I encouraged her to spend time on the net as she was missing me). I’ve been trying to get together with her agian but it’s no-go, she finally told me two days ago. I have been having suicidal ideations (is that the right word?) to the extent that, yesterday evening I sorted out a length of hose, put it in the car and sat at my puter and wrote a note to leave on the passenger seat. I was just printing the note when a friend called around to visit and ask if he could stay the night on the couch. He has been worried about me. he is taking medication for various things and over the last two weeks I’ve been getting a little Oxezapam off him. I took 75mg last night and the urgency went away. We don’t talk about my feelings a hell of a lot, I have trouble with that face to face (and if/when I top myself I don’t want anyone panicing, trying to stop me). I have a good friend who I’ve never met in person who I have an email relationship with and she knows *exactly* how I feel. She has been very supportive. This isn’t just one of those "My girlfriend left me and I want to kill myself" situations. My life basically sucks and I credit her (to myself) with keeping me alive these last two years. I’ve been sad and had suicidal t houghts ever since I was a teenager, and a lot more than most. I honestly don’t feel I have a lot to live for but don’t really want to upset family etc. I’m gonna try to give it a go and have come to the conclusion that I’ll probably need to be medicated for the rest of my life, especially if I want it to be more than a few days. The doctor gave me some Oxezapam today as well as the Paxil, I told her I want something that works now, tonight. She would only give me a little though, 30 x 10 mg and told me only 3 per day. Basically I s’pose I wondered if anyone has any suggestions for medication. I’m in New Zealand so I may not have the same medications available to me as people in other countries. So yeah, anyone have any ideas? If I’m gonna be in the same mood as I’ve been in for the last 40 years for the rest of my life then I’m not sure I want to go on. Thanks for reading this, — ~misfit~
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t be too frightened. While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common. It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin. SSRIs work pretty well for most people. S. suricata I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer.
Here we see a clear reason to ignore the advice of Eric. He uses the yardstick of his personal experience, rather then the results of scientific research as a basis for advice to other people. Eric might mean well, or he might want to induce hellish symptomology in others. It is hard to tell, but in any case the experiences of one person, no matter how well meaning are not a safe yardstick to use for ones own health. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar.
Even though there is growing body of evidence which says otherwise, even though the SSRI’s were only tested from 6-8 weeks in clinical trials to determine safety while typically they are used for months or years in the real world, even though in trials where placebos were designed to mimic the side effects of SSRI’s were almost as ‘effective’ as SSRI’s themselves. Yeah, SSRI’s are good for some people, but they are mainly a phenomenon of marketing rather then efficacy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eric My courage for my father, my heart for my mother and my prick for a whore…French Foreign Legion saying. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare… which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them.. S’cool, like I said, nothing frightens me. And FWIW I agree, it’s better for people to know that it is a known side-effect than for them to solely attribute the feeling to themselves, that way they are less likely to act on it. IMO.
Glad you understood my intent… BTW, please excuse my ignorance but can someone give me a defimition of ‘ideations’ please. I’m sure I know what it means but I’d like to have it defined. LOL, S’okay, I just looked it up: ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought.
Yes, a thought…or idea… which can prey upon your mind…BUT where its an ideation…only..its unaccompanied by the impulse…or desire to act upon the thought…me thinks.. Hope you feel better today… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers, — ~misfit~
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the SSRI’s like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some, most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them… Well, it’s possible that SSRI’s cause suicidal ideation in a very small number of people. However, since Misfit already has this problem it would be very hard to tell if they were a side effect or not. I got a different explanation from my pdoc, which accurately describes my experience though I don’t have a paper reference for it offhand. My pdoc said that often people are too depressed to act on suicidal ideation when they start antidepressants. I know I had the ideation, but no energy or will to act on it. Sometimes people get an energy lift from the medication before they get a mood lift, so after starting medication people become more able to actually act out the ideation. Again, this matches my experience. I had the ideation without the antidepressants, but as I started to get a little more energy I became a much more genuine suicide risk. Fortunately, I have been able to get through these parts without, yet, attempting to hurt myself. Bright blessings to you. Fiona
What you say your pdoc told you, Fiona, about AD’s is true of all of them. People are too depressed to do much, and as the AD’s kick in they are able to muster the strength to act on their desires. The difference with SSRI’s, however, is that SSRI’s are noted to actually induce suicidal ideation where it was not present before.
You know I didnt tell the poster that to frighten him..but to reassure someone reporting suicidal ideations…others have experienced them….. .you guys have a funny way of supporting people…telling them the suicidal thoughts they are having are rare… which to me be more worrisome than my suggesting its common starting up on SSRI’s so common 25% of subjects in the clinical trials for paxil had suicidal ideations incited ..BTW.. But wtf…tell people having them their rare…if it makes you feel better…even if it does shit to reassure them..
S’cool, like I said, nothing frightens me. And FWIW I agree, it’s better for people to know that it is a known side-effect than for them to solely attribute the feeling to themselves, that way they are less likely to act on it. IMO. BTW, please excuse my ignorance but can someone give me a defimition of ‘ideations’ please. I’m sure I know what it means but I’d like to have it defined. LOL, S’okay, I just looked it up: ideation I`de*a"tion, n. The faculty or capacity of the mind for forming ideas; the exercise of this capacity; the act of the mind by which objects of sense are apprehended and retained as objects of thought. It’s as I thought. Cheers, — ~misfit~
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already. Don’t be too frightened. While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common. It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin. SSRIs work pretty well for most people.
Thanks for that, I don’t actually have the enthusiasum to be frightened though. — ~misfit~
the SSRI’s like Prozac and Paxil..actually incite or activate suicidal ideations in some, most especially when you just begin them or right after you stop taking them…
Well, it’s possible that SSRI’s cause suicidal ideation in a very small number of people. However, since Misfit already has this problem it would be very hard to tell if they were a side effect or not. I got a different explanation from my pdoc, which accurately describes my experience though I don’t have a paper reference for it offhand. My pdoc said that often people are too depressed to act on suicidal ideation when they start antidepressants. I know I had the ideation, but no energy or will to act on it. Sometimes people get an energy lift from the medication before they get a mood lift, so after starting medication people become more able to actually act out the ideation. Again, this matches my experience. I had the ideation without the antidepressants, but as I started to get a little more energy I became a much more genuine suicide risk. Fortunately, I have been able to get through these parts without, yet, attempting to hurt myself. Bright blessings to you. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome. – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664
I never had SSRIs incite "suicidal ideation" in me. I think this is bullshit. Its something that the anti-med people are capitalizing. Bipolar people sometimes become suicidal or agitated on SSRIs. Bipolars should not generally be on SSRIs without a mood stabilizer. The whole thing about SSRIs being "dangerous drugs" is total absolute bullshit. SSRIs are some of the safest drugs you can take, providing you are depressed to begin with and are not bipolar.
I’m a drug enthusiast, myself, but I see a problem with this line of reasoning. What you seem to be saying is that SSRIs are safe for us gloomies, but sometimes dangerous for the flip-flop folks. This would be fine, except that psychiatrists are notoriously bad at diagnosis. There are no established physical markers to distinguish unipolars from bipolars; not even on autopsy. So, suppose you’re a bipolar, and you’ve just had your first plunge into the black depths of depression. In a few months, you’re scheduled to get very happy indeed, but you don’t know that, and neither does the psychiatrist to whom you’ve just been referred. As far as she’s concerned, you’re depressed, and you agree with her. You get Prozac as the drug of first choice. Since you’re actually bipolar, you’re in trouble because this isn’t the drug for you. Of course, if psychiatric diagnosis were infallible, SSRIs would be safe, but it isn’t, so the prudent approach would be to admit that SSRI prescriptions have their risks, no? S. suricata
That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already.
Don’t be too frightened. While it’s true that SSRIs have incited suicidal ideation in some people, it should be stressed that this is not common. It’s just something to watch out for and report immediately to your doctor if it happens to you; sort of like allergic reactions to penicillin. SSRIs work pretty well for most people. S. suricata
Hi HerEvilTwin, Thanks for taking the time to reply. That’s something I didn’t know, that SSRI’s can incite suicidal ideations. Hell, I don’t need that, I had them before I started on Paxil. I’m only on my second day of Paxil and I feel a bit ‘fuzzy headed’ and a little queasy. I hope that these effects will go away, I feel shitty enough already. Thanks again, — ~misfit~
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Hi and Welcome to the ng, Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). snipped… There are many ADs available. The Paxil will take about 3 weeks to work. I hope you feel better soon.
Hi Lynda, thanks for the welcome and the good wishes. — ~misfit~
Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day). I am 40 years old, male, and have always tended towards depression, my mother also suffers with it and has been on Prozac for years. I was on Prozac myself about two years ago but only for a couple of months, I had some side-effects that I didn’t like such as profuse sweating, anxiety, insomnia and lowered libido. I entered into a relationship just after that and life got better. I’ve just (two weeks ago) been released from jail after serving six months for cultivation of cannabis. When I had about one month to go I got a letter from my fiancee saying she was leaving me. Turned out she had an affair with someone she met in a chat room (and I encouraged her to spend time on the net as she was missing me). I’ve been trying to get together with her agian but it’s no-go, she finally told me two days ago. I have been having suicidal ideations (is that the right word?) to the extent that, yesterday evening I sorted out a length of hose, put it in the car and sat at my puter and wrote a note to leave on the passenger seat. I was just printing the note when a friend called around to visit and ask if he could stay the night on the couch. He has been worried about me. he is taking medication for various things and over the last two weeks I’ve been getting a little Oxezapam off him. I took 75mg last night and the urgency went away. We don’t talk about my feelings a hell of a lot, I have trouble with that face to face (and if/when I top myself I don’t want anyone panicing, trying to stop me). I have a good friend who I’ve never met in person who I have an email relationship with and she knows *exactly* how I feel. She has been very supportive. This isn’t just one of those "My girlfriend left me and I want to kill myself" situations. My life basically sucks and I credit her (to myself) with keeping me alive these last two years. I’ve been sad and had suicidal t houghts ever since I was a teenager, and a lot more than most. I honestly don’t feel I have a lot to live for but don’t really want to upset family etc. I’m gonna try to give it a go and have come to the conclusion that I’ll probably need to be medicated for the rest of my life, especially if I want it to be more than a few days. The doctor gave me some Oxezapam today as well as the Paxil, I told her I want something that works now, tonight. She would only give me a little though, 30 x 10 mg and told me only 3 per day. Basically I s’pose I wondered if anyone has any suggestions for medication. I’m in New Zealand so I may not have the same medications available to me as people in other countries. So yeah, anyone have any ideas? If I’m gonna be in the same mood as I’ve been in for the last 40 years for the rest of my life then I’m not sure I want to go on. Thanks for reading this, — ~misfit~
Hi and Welcome to the ng, Hi all, just thought I’d introduce myself, been lurking a day or two. I suffer from chronic depression and have just started a course of Paxil (20mg day).
snipped… There are many ADs available. The Paxil will take about 3 weeks to work. I hope you feel better soon. Peace, Lynda
I have been on Wellbutrin SR 150mg x 2 for 2 months now. I have not noticed any difference. Perhaps I am not really depressed or Wellbutrin isn’t the drug for me. Anyway, I go to my doctor next week and I am wondering if I should tell him to take me off the Wellbutrin. I don’t know if I should ask for another anti-depressant. I don’t want to try any of the evil SSRIs so that would leave Effexor as one of my few choices. But I heard it is very addictive. What if it doesn’t work either and I have to withdraw from it? Diablo
Hi, Have your friends/coworkers/family members noticed any differences in you? I didn’t notice much of a change in me either until my friends started commenting that I didn’t seem as nervous as I used to. Good luck, Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on Wellbutrin SR 150mg x 2 for 2 months now. I have not noticed any difference. Perhaps I am not really depressed or Wellbutrin isn’t the drug for me. Anyway, I go to my doctor next week and I am wondering if I should tell him to take me off the Wellbutrin. I don’t know if I should ask for another anti-depressant. I don’t want to try any of the evil SSRIs so that would leave Effexor as one of my few choices. But I heard it is very addictive. What if it doesn’t work either and I have to withdraw from it? Diablo
Effexor is known to be ONE of the hardest ADs to ween oneself off of… If you want to call THAT addiction, so be it. It can be done quite well, but you need a good doc’s help to do it right or the advise of people here who have done it well. I’m only repeating what I’ve gleaned around these boards. The consensus seems to be that it’s a very good antidepressant, generally helping more people than Wellbutrin, which helps some very well, and many not at all. My opinion.. (my "test", if you will) is that if you FEEL depressed, you ARE depressed…(Ask yourself "Am I depressed?") If you answer "hell, yes" or even "yeah, sorta most of the time", then continue to seek an AD that "fits" you. Effexor is in actually an "SSRI-plus"…. by that I mean it functions as an SSRI but ALSO affects norepinephrine, which some of us seem to need for relief. Go for it, IMHO.
I’ve been on Wellbutrin for over a yr, my pdoc switched me to Effexor. After 3 wks I still feel too sedated compared to Wellbutrin. I’ve even added a 150mg does of Wellbutrin to counter act the effexor. I’ve reduced toe effexor to 75mg daily with some relief. Personally, I liked the combo of Celexa and Wellbutrin, will consider this next visit. I’m very afraid of the withdrawal side effects with Effexor, that’s enough of a depressing thought to think about. Wellbutrin you come andgo with NO withdrawals. Just my 2 cents.Good Luck Den Dennis D
I’ve been on Wellbutrin for over a yr, my pdoc switched me to Effexor. After 3 wks I still feel too sedated compared to Wellbutrin. I’ve even added a 150mg does of Wellbutrin to counter act the effexor. I’ve reduced toe effexor to 75mg daily with some relief. Personally, I liked the combo of Celexa and Wellbutrin, will consider this next visit. I’m very afraid of the withdrawal side effects with Effexor, that’s enough of a depressing thought to think about. Wellbutrin you come andgo with NO withdrawals. Just my 2 cents.Good Luck Den Dennis D
Hi dennis, How did you like the celexa and wellbutrin combo. I have a problem with bad mood disorder with constant racing thoughts? any side effects geno
I am on Effexor and Wellbuterin. Recently my pdoc was weaning me off Effexor. He tried Wellbuterin….totally bombed alone. He said it is not meant for major depressive episodes. Don’t be afraid to talk to your doctor, if you are not honest with him how can he help you… And yes Effexor has some bad withdrawal. I just went through it and it was nasty. So nasty I bottomed out in depression, plus other affects. I had to have all my meds rearranged. It was quite the experience I care not to repeat. I went back on Effexor. Don’t let that stand in the way of your recovery. I would rather be on Effexor than any other AD. Why? Because it works. dd
The Celexa is slight sedating for me and personally I liked it until the Rx ran out and my doc changed it to Effexor. He also mentioned uping the Celexa to 40-60mg, that 20 was just too low. I’m also gewtting headaches from effexor. I’l give it a try for another month and then asked for the combo, but this time at 40mg Celexa. I was only on 150 of Wellbutrin (sometimes twice a day) Dennis Dennis D
Whats wrong with the SSRIs?The SSRIs are great, few hassles and easy to use. Who told you Effexor is very addictive? Thats total bullshit.
I don’t want to sound like Andrew, but I believe that SSRIs turn people into zombified Prozakians who go on shooting sprees. After monitoring this newsgroup for many months I notice that people complain the most about SSRIs. And several people have complained that Effexor is addictive. If I were to even contemplate an SSRI, what would be the best choice. I already have made up my mind against Prozac and Paxil. Luvox was what Eric Harris of Columbine had been taking and Zoloft is what Phil Hartman’s wife was taking when she shot him. You can call these isolated instances but I have yet to see Wellbutrin implicated in any murder sprees. Diablo
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I originally went to the doctor because of an extended manic episode I had been having. While manic episodes can occur by themselves, it is very rare to not have them accompanied by depression. In retrospect I can recall extended periods where I seemed extremely depressed. If I am bipolar, then the cycles are very long. I’m not even sure if I am depressed right now. I wanted to try an a.d. to see if it would lift my mood. And if I am bipolar, then eventually I will go into the depressive phase and will need an anti-depressant anyway. My doctor originally put me on Risperdal and clonazepam for the mania and they worked very well. After a few months I asked for Wellbutrin. I have felt no difference. Perhaps Wellbutrin isn’t right for me. I want to give another anti-depressant a try before giving up. Effexor usually gets good reviews here but I am worried about its addictiveness. I did try Prozac once. My mother stopped taking it and I snacked on her leftover pills for a few weeks. I didn’t like the way it made me feel. The first time I took it it induced an LSD flashback. Later I tried taking 4-5 pills at once and it made me feel very weird. Diablo
Despite my desperate post of today, I still believe Effexor is a great med. Twice in my life I tapered and stopped Paxil under a doctor’s care, and several months later each time, came the closest to being hospitalized after getting so depressed. When I had to go off the Effexor, I was depressed because it was working so well,and I knew what I was in for with the SSRIs. For what it’s worth, I had no problems stopping Effexor. I suffer from panic disorder and depression, and found Wellbutrin alone intolerable- I wanted to smash things,and it gave me panic attacks. Wellbutrin with Paxil seemed to alleviate some of the more disturbing side effects of the Paxil- my doctor said it was because chemically, that combination is most like Effexor. Good luck with whatever you decide!
In the future, I hope you specify WHY you have attitudes like you do about SSRIs. Someone with unipolar major depression or anxiety problems might read your posts and get terrified of taking SSRIs and stop them, while they very well may need them badly. SSRIs dont have the problems you mentioned in the unipolar depression and anxiety disorder populations, if anything its the exact opposite of what you earlier described.
Part of my attitude toward SSRIs comes from media reports. Before I had even checked out these groups I would see constant media reports about some violent incident in which the perpetrator had been taking an SSRI. I realize the majority of people taking them do not react this way (yet) but the long-term effects of them are still unknown. I already mentioned Phil Hartmann’s wife (Zoloft), Eric Harris (Luvox), and that school shooter in El Cajon had also been taking some sort of anti-depressant. Most disturbing is the fact that the media has done virtually no reporting on this connection. Since we can assume the media is in the pocket of the powerful pharmaceutical industry, this lack of reporting is very suspicious. Diablo
Diablo lamictal might be a good thing for you to try if you are bipolar yet in the depressive phase. Lamictal is developing an excellent reputation as mood stabilizer, yet has antidepressant qualities to it.
Thanks, I’ll ask my doctor about it. Is it addictive and what kind of side- effects can I expect. Diablo
You are first person i know of who found no effect on Wellbutrin though. Lots of undeprssed people use it to quit smoking and they report lots of effects too.
Maybe I’m not really depressed. But I really do not feel anything from it. No "energizing" effects. The only thing it does is make my urine smell really bad. I have been depressed in the past and a diagnosis of mania without depression would be really unusual. Oh well, I’ll give Effexor a try and if that doesn’t work I’ll just give up for awhile. Diablo
if i were you id be asking bout mood stablizers,,, lot of lay people see my up swings in mood as manicy, and when mood stablizers arent suggested, it is effexor comes up a lot as suggested for me, whether my up swings seen as manicy or PTSD.
My doctor didn’t think a mood stabilizer was necessary. I do not seem to suffer from rapid mood swings. The Risperdal did the trick for the mania and now I want a happy pill. I knew someone on Lithium and he was very slooooow. Depakote has too many side-effects, including hair loss which I really don’t want. Have you ever seen the Kids in the Hall movie, "Brain Candy"? Diablo
Have you ever seen the Kids in the Hall movie, "Brain Candy"?
Not yet, but I’m a big "Kid’s in the hall" fan.
Have you ever seen the Kids in the Hall movie, "Brain Candy"? Not yet, but I’m a big "Kid’s in the hall" fan.
The movie is about a pharmaceutical company under heavy pressure to develop a new drug, so they release an anti-depressant before it has been properly tested. The drug locks on to a person’s happiest memory but its side effect is that after several weeks the person turns into a zombie with a big grin. The moral of the story is that people aren’t supposed to be happy all the time. Diablo
exactly what effexor does.. cause a grin on myy face that i cant stop and is VERY painful after an hour or so. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever seen the Kids in the Hall movie, "Brain Candy"? Not yet, but I’m a big "Kid’s in the hall" fan. The movie is about a pharmaceutical company under heavy pressure to develop a new drug, so they release an anti-depressant before it has been properly tested. The drug locks on to a person’s happiest memory but its side effect is that after several weeks the person turns into a zombie with a big grin. The moral of the story is that people aren’t supposed to be happy all the time. Diablo I saw an episode of one of the Trauma shows one night and some guy was in the ER after taking was he said was "street valium" and he had this big ol’ grin on his face and he couldn’t stop grinning. In the ER he was telling the Doctors to "make it stop!" and the Dr’s were trying so hard not to laugh at this guy, but it was pretty funny. Eventually after an hour or so I think the drug wore of and the guy was able to stop smiling and he left there none too happy. But the ER staff was roaring with laughter. I don’t know what the real drug was that he took, but nothin’ would wipe the smile off that guy’s face and his voice sounded like he was in pain. Amazing reactions people have to drugs sometimes.
My very casual and not even remotely statistically valid impression is that on the (entirely reasonable) basis of package and company warnings, most doctors are probably under the impression that these side effects are relatively uncommon, affecting perhaps of the order of 10% to 30%. This in turn is probably representative of how many people in trials were prepared to speak up and discuss the resultant effects (which, for a single, depressed person, might not be something you really want to discuss with a stranger). On the other hand, casual late night discussions in IRC (it’s always late night for someone, somewhere, so we have these sorts of discussions at any hour!) would suggest that if such side effects aren’t universal, they’re certainly the rule rather than the exception. It’s difficult to imagine how you go about researching the prevelance of anorgasmia in SSRI patients (there, I said it!) without outright asking the single ones if wanking has become a waste of time and effort…. I’ve heard it suggested that SSRIs work by suppressing libido, thus removing the single most potent basis for depression, feeling lonely and single. OK, we were joking, but thats an indication of how common this stuff is. As for me? Well I’d love to test if there has been any adverse sexual effect from my effexor, but noone has offered to help me investigate, (which also raises the question of what is adverse and who it’s adverse for) and I would never do such a thing on my own! Graham For any Aussies present, my GP used to be Dr Feelgood, which made discussing this sort of stuff a good deal easier; I used to tell her they’d perfected the male contraceptive, it was an SSRI. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A new study found that patient complaints of sexual dysfunction caused by antidepressants are almost two times greater than believed by physicians, according to a report presented at the American Psychiatric Association’s annual meeting. Researchers studied 6,297 patients enrolled at 1,101 primary care offices throughout the U.S. and evaluated 10 different new generation antidepressants. Although selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and serotonin and norephinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs) are associated with a higher rate of sexual dysfunction, newer antidepressants such as bupropion (Wellbutrin) and nefazodone have shown a lower incidence of the problem. "The SSRIs are known to cause sexual dysfunction as a side effect, but until now, there hasn’t been a study to look at all the new generation antidepressants to see how they compare," said Dr. Anita Clayton, associate professor and vice chair of the Department of Psychiatric Medicine at the University of Virginia and lead investigator of the study. "Physicians and patients are generally reluctant to talk about sexual problems. Therefore, physicians often underestimate the prevalence of antidepressant-associated sexual dysfunction and the impact on patients, as shown in this study." Wellbutrin SR (bupropion HCI) Sustained-Release was associated with the lowest rate of sexual dysfunction (25 percent) after Wellbutrin (bupropion HCI) (22 percent), compared with an average of 40 percent with the SSRIs venlafaxine (Effexor) and mirtazapine (Remeron). The prevalence rate of sexual dysfunction ranged from 7 percent of patients receiving Wellbutrin SR to 23 to 30 percent for patients receiving the other antidepressants, including fluoxetine (Prozac), citalopram (Celexa) and venlafaxine XR. This article is brought to you by the "Depression Week" online newsletter. This newletter presents the latest news and views on developments in Depression, it is one of a family of specialized medical newsletters brought to you by Medical Week, LLC. http://www.depressionweek.org/
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A new study found that patient complaints of sexual dysfunction caused by antidepressants are almost two times greater than believed by physicians, according to a report presented at the American Psychiatric Association’s annual meeting. Researchers studied 6,297 patients enrolled at 1,101 primary care offices throughout the U.S. and evaluated 10 different new generation antidepressants. Although selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and serotonin and norephinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs) are associated with a higher rate of sexual dysfunction, newer antidepressants such as bupropion (Wellbutrin) and nefazodone have shown a lower incidence of the problem. "The SSRIs are known to cause sexual dysfunction as a side effect, but until now, there hasn’t been a study to look at all the new generation antidepressants to see how they compare," said Dr. Anita Clayton, associate professor and vice chair of the Department of Psychiatric Medicine at the University of Virginia and lead investigator of the study. "Physicians and patients are generally reluctant to talk about sexual problems. Therefore, physicians often underestimate the prevalence of antidepressant-associated sexual dysfunction and the impact on patients, as shown in this study." Wellbutrin SR (bupropion HCI) Sustained-Release was associated with the lowest rate of sexual dysfunction (25 percent) after Wellbutrin (bupropion HCI) (22 percent), compared with an average of 40 percent with the SSRIs venlafaxine (Effexor) and mirtazapine (Remeron). The prevalence rate of sexual dysfunction ranged from 7 percent of patients receiving Wellbutrin SR to 23 to 30 percent for patients receiving the other antidepressants, including fluoxetine (Prozac), citalopram (Celexa) and venlafaxine XR. This article is brought to you by the "Depression Week" online newsletter. This newletter presents the latest news and views on developments in Depression, it is one of a family of specialized medical newsletters brought to you by Medical Week, LLC. http://www.depressionweek.org/
A neurologist once claimed that beta-blockers and benzos can be mixed if taken in moderation. Has anyone taken propanolol (Inderal) and alprazolam (Xanax) together or any other mix? Amounts? Any noticeable interaction? Stan D.
Hi Stan. I am currently taking Inderal (10 mg) 3 times a day along with Alprazolam (.5 mg) 2-3 times per day. I’m also taking Effexor XR (150 mg) per day and Ambien (10 mg) at bedtime. Lots of meds!! My doc just added the Inderal to the rest of my daily meds yesterday (on Wednesday)……..so I’ve only been taking it in combination with the rest for two days. So far I haven’t noticed any negative interaction…. although I haven’t noticed any positive effect either. I guess time will tell. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help. Sarah
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wrote: A neurologist once claimed that beta-blockers and benzos can be mixed if taken in moderation. Has anyone taken propanolol (Inderal) and alprazolam (Xanax) together or any other mix? Amounts? Any noticeable interaction? Stan D.
im on klonopin paxil and atenolol, the atenolol i asked for because my heart would race a lot even on the benzo klonopin. it has helped me not thinking about my heartbeat all day long. ask for it. oh, its safe to combine the drugs together also.
Thanks Sarah and Hadez for comforting feedback on mixing beta-blockers and benzos. This sounds viable then. Stan D. Stan D. skrev i meddelandet … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
A neurologist once claimed that beta-blockers and benzos can be mixed if taken in moderation. Has anyone taken propanolol (Inderal) and alprazolam (Xanax) together or any other mix? Amounts? Any noticeable interaction? Stan D.
Sounds good where can I get some? Russ. Stan D. <es…@swipnet.se
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i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off. i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off. i hate people. i hate myself for fearing people. okay , i’m done ranting. i think i’m gonna go…like…whatever *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep
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i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off. i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off. i hate people. i hate myself for fearing people. okay , i’m done ranting. i think i’m gonna go…like…whatever *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep
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On 26 Aug 1999 02:47:17 GMT, glass…@aol.communist (LiZ) wrote:
i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off.
try saying this "GRRRR!"
i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit.
Bummer, are you going to be able to get them refilled soon, or at least start new meds?
anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off. i hate people. i hate myself for fearing people.
(( you shouldnt feel like that, its not your fault. the best you can do is work at getting better ya know?
okay , i’m done ranting. i think i’m gonna go…like…whatever *LiZ* staring…@aol.com http://welcome.to/mysleep
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From: glass…@aol.communist (LiZ) i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to refill my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit.
Liz, you’re probably right about the med thing…call your p-doc and explain that you’ve been off your meds and ask if s/he might be able to supply you with some sample packets to hold you over, tell them *exactly* how you are feeling…I bet they will come up with something! meanwhile double up on the Xanax! Pam
Sounds like my worst nightmare. I can relate to that a little bit. I missed one Effexor dose and the next day I was like a frikken junky walking into the pharmacy, shaking and extremely pale looking, with my script. If I had to take another day of that I would have been close to voluntary lock-up. Hope ya get them soon babe. For the time being just sit somewhere quiet, close your eyes and think of the number 1 over and over again Or as Pam says numb your head with Bzo’s. Personally the latter seems like a much more attractive option — Russ "Better living through Chemistry" MzPami <mzp…@aol.com
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From: glass…@aol.communist (LiZ) i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to
refill
my meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. Liz, you’re probably right about the med thing…call your p-doc and
explain
that you’ve been off your meds and ask if s/he might be able to supply you
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some sample packets to hold you over, tell them *exactly* how you are feeling…I bet they will come up with something! meanwhile double up on the Xanax! Pam
Hi Liz
i am so fucking angry, restless, anxious and pissed off.
Congratulations. Me too.
i think this mood has to do with the fact that i havent been able to
refill my
meds because i had to switch insurance bullshit. anyway, i’m fucking pissed and i feel like ripping my fucking head off.
Don’t do it. Maybe you have a nice head.
i hate people.
I don’t hate (all) people: they hate me.
i hate myself for fearing people.
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i am 30 years of age and two years ago-suffered a major panic attact and then depression-PAXIL has been a life saver-the first dose was bad for me, but then it was ok i think you should give it a try-but take it faithfully-just recently i skipped a few doses and the attacks and depression are back-i saw my doctor last week and she gave me a presc. to take with my paxil -10grams of celex-i haven’t tried yet-as panic suffers are against medication-i think i am fixing to try it-good luck let me know how it turns out
i am 30 years of age and two years ago-suffered a major panic attact and then depression-PAXIL has been a life saver-the first dose was bad for me, but then it was ok i think you should give it a try-but take it faithfully-just recently i skipped a few doses and the attacks and depression are back-i saw my doctor last week and she gave me a presc. to take with my paxil -10grams of celex-i haven’t tried yet-as panic suffers are against medication-i think i am fixing to try it-good luck let me know how it turns out
Do you mean *Celexa?* In that case I would be interested to know why your doctor prescribes two SRI’s for you. Not that I think it’s wrong, just interested. Philip
Dolores, I’m so sorry for your loss. Thanksgiving was melancholy for me because my mom is in a nursing home after having a stroke 3 weeks ago. I know it’s not the same as losing someone to death, but she’s not the same person anymore so in that sense I’m grieving the loss of the beautiful mother I knew. Christmas won’t be much better I’m afraid. I’m on Paxil and I can highly recommend it, if you’re not bothered by the sexual side effects. I’m not married so it’s no big deal for me. I’m not sure if Zoloft is the same way. Anyway, Paxil got me through some very rough times over the past few weeks (with a little help from xanax) so I can recommend it from personal experience. If you go with Paxil, I would start ASAP because by the time the holidays hit it should have kicked in for you. Start slowly at about 10 mg. and increase after 10 days or so. All with your doctor’s guidance, of course. Best of luck and let us know how you’re doing. Sharon
i TRIED PAXIL FOR 2 MONTHS AND I WAS A ZOMBIE ALL THE TIME, I FELL ASLEEP DRIVING TWICE, NOW I AM ON MY 3RD MONTH OF ZOLOFT AND DOING GREAT! GOOD LUCK
I knew the holidays were going to be rough this year (widowed 4/98) and I also felt that the .5 mg of Klonopin wasn’t going to carry me though the next month. I was right. I’ve been weepy for the last two weeks, and the panic and anxiety are starting up again, which I have been free of since August! So you see, I need to do something. I’m so sick of this and wish I could propel myself into the future just to be normal again. Tomorrow I’m going to make an appt. to get my meds changed. I think I need the SSRI as my doc kept drilling into me, but Prozac didn’t work well for me. So what has been your experiences with Paxil or Zoloft? I have a friend who said Paxil gave him diahrea -don’t want that! Would a Zoloft/Klonopin mix work? Does that sound reasonable?
Maybe you only have to raise the Klonopin dose from .5 mgs to the average therapeutic dose which is around 3 mgs. If that doesn’t work after, say, two weeks, it might be a good idea to add an AD. Zoloft and Klonopin make a good combination if you’re not troubles by Zoloft side effects such as sexual dysfunction. Philip
Try the Paxil. You need to really give it a chance, though. It can take up to three weeks to notice any results. The thing with medications such as Paxil, people think they will feel ‘happy’, or their problems will go away. This is not true. It will put you in a mindset to deal with your problems like ‘normal’ people. Normal meaning: someone with regular amounts of serratonnin in their brain. Good luck. S
I knew the holidays were going to be rough this year (widowed 4/98)
Dolores, I am so sorry for the death of your husband….. death is never easy to deal with when it comes to someone you love, but, the holidays can just stink, because of it. I lost my step mom (who truly *was* my mother, in the highest sense of the word) four years ago, this month. Then my sister, two years ago, this month, and last year, my grandmother. Novembers just BLOW, AFAIC. I think I know some of what you’re feeling, and I am feeling right along with you. Taking an antidepressant is a good starting place. When life is this tough, you sometimes need a biological correction to get you to a point where you can help yourself heal. (healthy diet, exercise, socializing, hobbies, etc.) It can really make the difference between being so stuck that you can’t find a way out, and feeling confident enough to work on taking care of yourself. There is also the phenomena associated with extended grief, which I am very familiar with — it can promote anxiety, panic attacks, clinical depression and obsessive thinking. Physically, it can prompt a first diagnosis of fibromyalgia in a person who is prone to it, and it can also compromise your immune system. Any of the a/d’s are probably as good as any others to start with, as there is no "blood test" they can do to target what biochemicals are unbalanced. You’ve already tried Prozac, so that probably isn’t an option, right now. There are many very effective ones out there, but, none of them are correct for everyone. Celexa seems to be the most promising as far as limited side effects. Maybe you could suggest that one to your doctor. He’s probably been bombarded with samples from the pharmaceutical rep, anyway. I’ve tried about eight or ten different ones, over the last two years, and haven’t yet found the one that works best for me. All have seemed to have their complications, even though I start each trial with every hope that this time, I’ve got the *right* one. <G But, this seems to be a lot more to do with the other disorders and dysfunctions that I have than it has to do with effects on the Panic Disorder. You’ll have to try them until you find the one that suits you. Most people hit on the right one within just a few tries, I would bet. (Just from what I’ve read on ASAP and mailing lists. So, you should feel confident that there is help on the way. If you go with Paxil, you will need to start with "micro" doses – very small doses, to avoid triggering anxiety and some of the side effects (Which vary tremendously from person to person!) If you take Paxil for more than about two months (I think that’s right?) you will also have to discontinue it slowly. Zoloft is another good choice — it works wonders for many people. As do Serzone, Effexor, and some of the older tricyclics. AFAIK, all of the antidepressants can be used at the same time as the benzodiazepines, such as Klonopin. But, just a thought — Klonopin is known to induce depression in some anxiety patients, while xanax has an anti-depressant effect all by itself, in others. I am not sure that only .5mg/day of Klonopin would be enough to induce dysphoria or depression, but, if you are susceptible to that particular effect, it can’t be doing the depression much good. At the same time, I am not sure that only .5mg/day of Klonopin is enough to keep the anxiety under control, but, maybe someone else can jump in here. It might be trial and error, but, OTOH, it just might be "trial and win!" in your case. Very best of luck to you!! Elizabeth
I knew the holidays were going to be rough this year (widowed 4/98) and I also felt that the .5 mg of Klonopin wasn’t going to carry me though the next month. I was right. I’ve been weepy for the last two weeks, and the panic and anxiety are starting up again, which I have been free of since August! So you see, I need to do something. I’m so sick of this and wish I could propel myself into the future just to be normal again. Tomorrow I’m going to make an appt. to get my meds changed. I think I need the SSRI as my doc kept drilling into me, but Prozac didn’t work well for me. So what has been your experiences with Paxil or Zoloft? I have a friend who said Paxil gave him diahrea -don’t want that! Would a Zoloft/Klonopin mix work? Does that sound reasonable?
Gee, maybe a good slice of Ray Bari’s pizza with extra garlic before sex is all we need!
Wasn’t that a Barry Manilow song? Thanks for publishing the dirt on nonoxynol-9. Sounds like its worse than even I thought. And now the gay organizations are giving out condoms lubricated with "extra strength" nonoxynol 9. Ed
I knew you would get a kick out of that. Yes, I will grudgingly verify that you were the first person that I ever heard speak out against N9. Hey, even a stopped clock can be right twice a day. James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS
Whey has a very high lysine to arginine ratio (2.75). I wonder if that is the reason why it works as an antiviral. Lysine has been shown to inhibit herpes viruses and may work against HIV. NEW YORK DAILY NEWS WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 31, 1996 PAGE 8 FINDING A WHEY Could limit HIV spread by Joe Nicholson Daily News Staff Writer Researchers yesterday said a substance made from whey, the liquid taken out of milk in making cheese, may have the power to stop the spread of the AIDS virus during intercourse. Robert Neurath, a virologist at the New York Blood Center, held out the hope that the substance, dubbed B69, could be used as a foam or cream, like spermicides. Neurath said he hit upon B69 after testing 68 other compounds with disappointing results: "It was a combination of persistence and luck, as is usual in life." Neurath’s experiments, reported in February’s Nature Medicine journal, showed that B69 blocks HIV from entering CD4 cells, the immune cells the virus destroys. Researchers cautioned, however, that B69 applications may not be a 100% preventive because it is uncertain whether B69 also would block other cell-entry sites. "The compound could serve as the basis for preventive measures against HIV transmission…to supplement other barrier methods, like condoms," said the researchers. Neurath said another big advantage of B69 was that a dose likely would cost only a few cents. Neurath, whose laboratory work was funded with a $200,000 federal grant, said he was trying to raise at least $50,000 for animal testing. Dr. John Adamson, president of the New York Blood Center, said B69 has the potential to save tens of thousands of lives. The treatment must first be tried on animals, and then, possibly a year from now, on humans. The last big hope for stopping sexual spread of AIDS, Nonoxynol-9, was a disastrous failure, said Dr. Jeffrey Laurence of the American Foundation for AIDS Research. Laurence, an AIDS researcher at Cornell Medical School as well as the foundation’s senior scientist for programs, said Nonoxynol-9 was tested in Africa several years ago. "There were actually more infections in people who got the product," said Laurence. "It seemed to cause irritation in the vagina, and the hypothesis was that it eased the way for the AIDS virus." Neurath said that unlike, Nonoxynol-9, B69 isn’t toxic to cells, so researchers "don’t expect…similar problems with this compound." Neurath displayed a test tube of B69 liquid and said he was optimistic it would not cause negative reactions because it is a natural substance. James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS
Gee, maybe a good slice of Ray Bari’s pizza with extra garlic before sex is all we need! Thanks for publishing the dirt on nonoxynol-9. Sounds like its worse than even I thought. And now the gay organizations are giving out condoms lubricated with "extra strength" nonoxynol 9. Ed
: Whey has a very high lysine to arginine ratio (2.75). I wonder if that is : the reason why it works as an antiviral. Lysine has been shown to inhibit : herpes viruses and may work against HIV. : NEW YORK DAILY NEWS WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 31, 1996 PAGE 8 : FINDING A WHEY : Could limit HIV spread : by Joe Nicholson : Daily News Staff Writer : Researchers yesterday said a substance made from whey, the liquid : taken out of milk in making cheese, may have the power to stop the spread : of the AIDS virus during intercourse. : Robert Neurath, a virologist at the New York Blood Center, held : out the hope that the substance, dubbed B69, could be used as a foam or : cream, like spermicides. : Neurath said he hit upon B69 after testing 68 other compounds : with disappointing results: "It was a combination of persistence and : luck, as is usual in life." : Neurath’s experiments, reported in February’s Nature Medicine : journal, showed that B69 blocks HIV from entering CD4 cells, the immune : cells the virus destroys. : Researchers cautioned, however, that B69 applications may not be : a 100% preventive because it is uncertain whether B69 also would block : other cell-entry sites. : "The compound could serve as the basis for preventive measures : against HIV transmission…to supplement other barrier methods, like : condoms," said the researchers. : Neurath said another big advantage of B69 was that a dose likely : would cost only a few cents. : Neurath, whose laboratory work was funded with a $200,000 federal : grant, said he was trying to raise at least $50,000 for animal testing. : Dr. John Adamson, president of the New York Blood Center, said : B69 has the potential to save tens of thousands of lives. The treatment : must first be tried on animals, and then, possibly a year from now, on : humans. : The last big hope for stopping sexual spread of AIDS, : Nonoxynol-9, was a disastrous failure, said Dr. Jeffrey Laurence of the : American Foundation for AIDS Research. : Laurence, an AIDS researcher at Cornell Medical School as well as : the foundation’s senior scientist for programs, said Nonoxynol-9 was : tested in Africa several years ago. : "There were actually more infections in people who got the : product," said Laurence. "It seemed to cause irritation in the vagina, : and the hypothesis was that it eased the way for the AIDS virus." : Neurath said that unlike, Nonoxynol-9, B69 isn’t toxic to cells, : so researchers "don’t expect…similar problems with this compound." : Neurath displayed a test tube of B69 liquid and said he was : optimistic it would not cause negative reactions because it is a natural : substance. : James M. Scutero, original proponent of misc.health.aids : misc.health.aids homepage: http://www.panix.com/~jscutero : MISC.HEALTH.AIDS * HIV/AIDS TALK ONLY * NO COMMERCIALS * NO MODERATORS