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WHAT IS ANYONES EXPERIENCE WITH FLOVENT # OF PUFFS/# OF TIMES PER DAY? ARE YOU MILD/MODERATE ASHTMATIC?  USE OF PROVENTIL HFA AND ACCOLATE.  Have been trying to cut back on flovent 110 mg 4 puffs/2x’s per day.  Have great success with accolate but upsets stomach.  Nee Proventil for exercise and in addition to flovent on bad days/ times. Thank you

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WHAT IS ANYONES EXPERIENCE WITH FLOVENT # OF PUFFS/# OF TIMES PER DAY? ARE YOU MILD/MODERATE ASHTMATIC?  USE OF PROVENTIL HFA AND ACCOLATE.  Have been trying to cut back on flovent 110 mg 4 puffs/2x’s per day.  Have great success with accolate but upsets stomach.  Nee Proventil for exercise and in addition to flovent on bad days/ times. Thank you

I checked your meds against the 1997 Asthma Guidelines/Expert Panel Report. Your dose of Flovent, 880 ug/day, puts you in the Moderate-to-High category with Moderate to Severe asthma. The Guidelines recommend you also use a long-acting bronchodilator (either Serevent, or sustained-release theophylline, or long-acting beta2-agonist tablets). Proventil as needed. I’m suprised you get an upset stomach from Accolate. The product information sheet doesn’t seem to indicate this is a significant problem. I haven’t tried Accolate yet. My steroid inhaler is Vanceril DS 84. I tried to switch to Flovent 44 but my HMO won’t pay for it. I also use Serevent & Intal inhalers; and low dose Theo-Dur, 200 mg/day. Note that Flovent is twice as strong as Vanceril per ug; 1 puff Flovent 44 = 1 puff Vanceril DS 84 or 2 puffs Vanceril 42. Ellis

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I use Flovent 220 mcg, two puffs 2/day. I am doing well on this dosage. Previously I was taking 500 mcg beclomethasone 2/day. I had to buy the stronger puffer in Mexico as it was never sold here. I began that treatment in France which made a world of difference in my condition. I have been told that Flovent is stronger than what I was taking and I should only need one puff twice a day, but it doesn’t seem to work that way. I need the four puffs/day. Sue

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Bill, regarding your questions on Flovent, I use a combinaaation of Flovent/Serevent.  My M.D. feels the combination is better than just Flovent on its own.  I am now trying Accolate in order to reduce inhalants.  We shall see……. at least the combination above has gotten me off of prednisone for the first time in 4 years!!!  I use 2 puffs of the long-term bronchodilator twice daily and 8 puffs of the steroid inhalant daily in the afternoon (works as well as 4 puffs twice daily). My M.D. believes that Merck will have something even better than Zyflo or Accolate available in Sept.   Keep breathing!!! Jan

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Bill, regarding your questions on Flovent, I use a combinaaation of Flovent/Serevent.  My M.D. feels the combination is better than just Flovent on its own.  I am now trying Accolate in order to reduce inhalants.  We shall see……. at least the combination above has gotten me off of prednisone for the first time in 4 years!!!  I use 2 puffs of the long-term bronchodilator twice daily and 8 puffs of the steroid inhalant daily in the afternoon (works as well as 4 puffs twice daily). Jan

Regarding the 8 puffs of Flovent/day in a single dose, the manufacturer, Glaxo, recommends divided doses, twice a day. See www.industryreport.com/glaxo/glaxo.html There is evidence that this can reduce the total number of puffs/day required, since the medication is designed to work for about 12 hr. If you took the Flovent at the same time as the Serevent, you would only be using inhalers twice a day instead of 3 times/day. Also it is beneficial to use a steroid inhaler in the evening because asthma is usually worst at nite with symptoms peaking around 3 am. Perhaps you could work back to 3 puffs twice a day. Of course you would need to monitor symptoms and peak flows. Congratulations on getting off the prednisone. Just a suggestion, Ellis

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Aldi’s.   SaltyJ

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Our local Safeway carries nearly all of its own brand ("Safeway Select") sodas as both regular and diet. The only one they don’t seem to copy is Fresca – which of course is my favourite. Generally speaking the generic brands are as good as brand names. In fact one Canadian company (Cott) has built a large market share by producing generic sodas that taste better than the "real thing". In some places these are sold under the "President’s Choice" lable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have found myself clinging to diet sodas on my diet.  its the way I treat myself and I can drink tons of the stuff.  what I have found though is its expensive like 1.49 per 2 liter at the local store for diet sodas so I want to buy some in bulk but don’t know where to look. I don’t care about brand names and noticed many companies have generic alternatives to the popular sodas like cola, root beer, creme soda, dr. pepper, mt. dew, etc.  BUT what I haven’t seen is much diet alternatives to these except cola and lemon lime. So I was just wondering for those that care about cost and drink diet soda where do you shop to get the best deals for 2 liter bottles of the stuff?  I know safeway, sunny select, walmart and a few other big stores carry generic brands but am I wrong in thinking that besides the name brand diet sodas, generic vendors don’t cater to our market so Im really stuck buying the name brand stuff?

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I have found myself clinging to diet sodas on my diet.  its the way I treat myself and I can drink tons of the stuff.  what I have found though is its expensive like 1.49 per 2 liter at the local store for diet sodas so I want to buy some in bulk but don’t know where to look. I don’t care about brand names and noticed many companies have generic alternatives to the popular sodas like cola, root beer, creme soda, dr. pepper, mt. dew, etc.  BUT what I haven’t seen is much diet alternatives to these except cola and lemon lime. So I was just wondering for those that care about cost and drink diet soda where do you shop to get the best deals for 2 liter bottles of the stuff?  I know safeway, sunny select, walmart and a few other big stores carry generic brands but am I wrong in thinking that besides the name brand diet sodas, generic vendors don’t cater to our market so Im really stuck buying the name brand stuff?

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I’ve seen almost every variety of cheap generic pop in most of the stores where I shop… in diet, even in caffeine free diet at times.  Ask at the store if you don’t see it on the shelf. I personally spend the extra $$ and buy only Diet Coke… all generic that I have found are basically Pepsi products and I don’t really like the taste of Diet Pepsi (only in a pinch).  But that’s me… Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have found myself clinging to diet sodas on my diet.  its the way I treat myself and I can drink tons of the stuff.  what I have found though is its expensive like 1.49 per 2 liter at the local store for diet sodas so I want to buy some in bulk but don’t know where to look. I don’t care about brand names and noticed many companies have generic alternatives to the popular sodas like cola, root beer, creme soda, dr. pepper, mt. dew, etc.  BUT what I haven’t seen is much diet alternatives to these except cola and lemon lime. So I was just wondering for those that care about cost and drink diet soda where do you shop to get the best deals for 2 liter bottles of the stuff?  I know safeway, sunny select, walmart and a few other big stores carry generic brands but am I wrong in thinking that besides the name brand diet sodas, generic vendors don’t cater to our market so Im really stuck buying the name brand stuff?

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My left lung is the troublesome one, too.  Sometimes I feel like I’m not getting any air into it. –Jane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I only know what the All Holy Geisinger Medical Center tells me! Which at times doesn’t seem like good advice, eh? Like do they know why every winter my son’s left lung swells to the point that it isn’t functioning? Oh no! Just the left one mind you.  Oh well, what can I do except believe every word they tell me. I will tell my son’s doctor your story, if it is allright with you? Thank You, Brandy

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I first discovered I had exercise induced asthma at 38 yrs going to the doctor with what he thought was the flu and I had accepted over a couple of months as who knows, getting older,  but I believed it to be asthma. He gave me inhalers and after 2 months of not being able to function, I asked for Accolate.  At that time I was so bad that I couldn’t believe I would have a normal life again.  After 6 weeks (much longer than I read it should take)  I finally felt normal.  Accolate had worked for me and I went about 4 years without using inhalers unless I did alot of exercise.  I have gone through a few periods of problems, certain periods of being over weight or stress but otherwise I cannot believe how much Accolate changed my life.  2x a day and it works well for alot of people but be sure to use it for longer than the the directions or what you read because if I gave up after a month I would not have known it had worked for me.  The 2X day makes more sense for control of a problem but some people cannot remember to take 2X day.   For me it is no problem…Good Luck, Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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I only know what the All Holy Geisinger Medical Center tells me! Which at times doesn’t seem like good advice, eh? Like do they know why every winter my son’s left lung swells to the point that it isn’t functioning? Oh no! Just the left one mind you.  Oh well, what can I do except believe every word they tell me. I will tell my son’s doctor your story, if it is allright with you? Thank You, Brandy

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My doctor pescribed a Tilade inhaler for my exercise induced asthma.  You might ask your doctor about it.  As far as needing it for the rest of you life, there is currently no cure for asthma, only management.  Ceresse

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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I only know what the All Holy Geisinger Medical Center tells me! Which at times doesn’t seem like good advice, eh? Like do they know why every winter my son’s left lung swells to the point that it isn’t functioning? Oh no! Just the left one mind you.  Oh well, what can I do except believe every word they tell me. I will tell my son’s doctor your story, if it is allright with you? Thank You, Brandy

Yes, please feel free to tell the story.  It is important for physicians to realize that medication can be helpful, but it may depend on the patient and situation.  Making broad claims can sometimes be misleading.  Good luck with that and with your son’s problem — that one sounds scary. Is the Geisinger Medical Center in Pennsylvania?  Northeastern part? If so, my parents have used it, too.  It has a big name in that region.

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I take both Flovent and Singulair, and both have helped immensely, especially with exercise.  But I still do have to take at least one puff of my Albuterol before exercise, but I don’t have any problems after that.  It used to be that I had to take 2 puffs before, during, and after.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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That is where the Geisinger is. It is HUGE.

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I just realized I was having vivid dreams — probably caused by Advair. Thanks for mentioning this, because I hadn’t made the connection before. I was mini-golfing outside in the very cool air today and didn’t cough or feel short of breath even once, so Advair is certainly working for me. –Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S- I tried only the inhaler when exercising, but I had to keep using more and more.  Dangerous and not recommended. I complained to my allergist and he had me try Singulair.  I’m in the 2/3 group for which Singulair is effective.  I am very lucky.  I can now run, often without using an inhaler before.  A miracle for me. I recommend trying Singulair or Accolate.  If they work (and there is no guarantee), they will really make your life better and exercise more fun.  Singulair has no side effects in me.  Some people have reported vivid dreaming and some other symptoms. Talk to your doctor.

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   You won’t know ’til you try it, will you?

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Since then I’ve been mountain biking at much higher speeds and I rarely touch my Albuterol anymore. It for all practical purposes eliminates the exercise induced component of my Asthma. It makes you hyper at first, but that diminishes over time. I also take Claritin. Caritin has been a break-through medication for me and I’d put Serevent in that category too. At least so far. Al

Advair diskus contains both flovent and serevent(in a powdered form which is inhaled.)  Severent inhalors gave me bad headaches. But your right, it doesn’t make you gittery. kurt

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I’ve been on it for a week now and have not noticed any significant results. Like you, I’m an avid exerciser. I’ve had Asthma since age 4 and I’m 62. I managed to get by with Albuterol until recently. The stress of mountain biking had me overdosing on the stuff. No bad affects, but I knew I was taking too much. So I did a WEB search and found Serevent. It’s a slow release medication and it acts like Albuterol does. You take 2 puffs in the morning and two in the evening. Since then I’ve been mountain biking at much higher speeds and I rarely touch my Albuterol anymore. It for all practical purposes eliminates the exercise induced component of my Asthma. It makes you hyper at first, but that diminishes over time. My Dr put me on Singulair and Azmacort too as apparently you need to be on anti inflammatory medication as well as the Albuterol and the Serevent. I also take Claritin. Caritin has been a break-through medication for me and I’d put Serevent in that category too. At least so far. Al

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

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If you are allergic to dairy products do not take singulair, it contains lactose. sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S- I tried only the inhaler when exercising, but I had to keep using more and more.  Dangerous and not recommended. I complained to my allergist and he had me try Singulair.  I’m in the 2/3 group for which Singulair is effective.  I am very lucky.  I can now run, often without using an inhaler before.  A miracle for me. I recommend trying Singulair or Accolate.  If they work (and there is no guarantee), they will really make your life better and exercise more fun.  Singulair has no side effects in me.  Some people have reported vivid dreaming and some other symptoms. Talk to your doctor.

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From what my doctor has told me Singulair will not work for Exercise-Induced asthma. Hope this helps! Brandy

Tell your doctor it works for me.  For two years now I run 4 miles in the morning (~ 8 1/2 min/mi).  Before Singulair I couldn’t run that far or that fast with an inhaler.  Sometimes I couldn’t finish the first mile.  Never had that happen after I started Singulair.  I rarely use my inhaler, too.  It can help, but everyone is different.

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From what my doctor has told me Singulair will not work for Exercise-Induced asthma. Hope this helps! Brandy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading here about Singulair and Accolate (sp?).  My doctor and I figured out I had asthma only about 18 months ago as turned 45 years old, and it’s been an ongoing process of education for me so far. My asthma is bearable without any medication under most circumstances save exercise, and I’m an avid exerciser.  Since I discovered Claritin (I’m allergic to just about everything environmental – dust, mold, pollen, etc.) and an Alburterol inhaler, the quality of my life has improved immensely.  But I’ve found that I really need to take two puff of my inhaler before any exercise (I do go at it hard) and that means taking two puffs of the inhaler once a day for the rest of my life.  For the last 18 months I’ve saved using the inhaler for only my hard exercise effort or really humid weather but I’ve found, as I become more sensitive to how things work in my body, my breathing is impaired during any exercise, even easy exercise – the tightening in my chest begins after 10-15 minutes if I’m only going at it easily. Should I ask my doctor about a pill instead of an inhaler?  Right now, I use the inhaler before I go out running or cycling and it makes all the difference in the world – I can finish at the pace at which I started and it’s my legs, and not my lungs, that limit what I can do. Many thanks in advance. -S-

I tried only the inhaler when exercising, but I had to keep using more and more.  Dangerous and not recommended.   I complained to my allergist and he had me try Singulair.  I’m in the 2/3 group for which Singulair is effective.  I am very lucky.  I can now run, often without using an inhaler before.  A miracle for me. I recommend trying Singulair or Accolate.  If they work (and there is no guarantee), they will really make your life better and exercise more fun.  Singulair has no side effects in me.  Some people have reported vivid dreaming and some other symptoms. Talk to your doctor.

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I am a 23 year old who has had excercise induced asthma since I was 16.  Until I was 22, I was able to control my symptoms with Proventil. In the past year, I developed horrible asthma symptoms on a regular basis, not just from excercise.  While I have been able to control the symptoms with Pulmicort and Serevent during regular activity, I am still unable to excercise easily.  It take me weeks to build up the ability to jog on a treadmill for 10 minutes.  I have always been an active person and have become frustrated and angered by my inability to excercise.

Ask your doctor about FloVent.  I consider it a miracle drug since my asthma and COPD are slowly improving ever since I started taking it. If anyone has any suggestions on medications and/or other techniques that help them with their excercise induced asthma, please contact me by email at Monitoring you lung condition with a peak flow meter can let you know where you are at: an Action Plan can be used to adjust asthma drugs per peak flow readings. Before vigorous exercise you should be near the top of the Green Zone. Monitor the smog level and pollen levels (if allergic) and exercise when levels are low; usually in the morning or late evening. Breathe thru the nose to filter out irritatants and humidify the air (some wear a surgical mask). Warm up slowly. Links;

Try Tai Chi.  It is good exercise, promotes physical mobility and flexibility and once you get good at it, you will be surprised at the increase in fitness. http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/jan_96/rupp.htm   Diagnosis and Management of Exercise-Induced Asthma, Jan 96 http://asthma.miningco.com/msub5.htm Sports and Exercise http://www.aaaai.org/public/publicedmat/tips/tip01.html EXERCISE-INDUCED ASTHM & BRONCHOSPASM (AAAAI) http://www.runnersworld.com/injuries/asthma.html ASTHMA, EXERCISE-INDUCED Ellis

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Aha – Norm – I’m one step ahead of you again – I’ve set up my own interstellar spamming station – now even extraterrestrials will be prewarned about your spamtastic spuriosity!! You see Norm – once again buteyko fails in the face of scientific rigour and advancement. For those interested SETI – The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence – have created a downloadable data-chunk screensaver that will allow you to http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ Rich. (In addition there are reports of a distinct lack of intelligent life on planet Buteyko!!!!!!!)

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Hi Richard I’m amused, I’m sure you can do better than that. I couldn’t find any reference to asthma in you posting at all. Norman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aha – Norm – I’m one step ahead of you again – I’ve set up my own interstellar spamming station – now even extraterrestrials will be prewarned about your spamtastic spuriosity!! You see Norm – once again buteyko fails in the face of scientific rigour and advancement. For those interested SETI – The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence – have created a downloadable data-chunk screensaver that will allow you to http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ Rich. (In addition there are reports of a distinct lack of intelligent life on planet Buteyko!!!!!!!)

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Hi Richard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Richard I’m amused, I’m sure you can do better than that. I couldn’t find any reference to asthma in you posting at all. Norman Ahhh Norm – your ignorance is once again apparent – ET asked for email replies – read her post – I am not interested in public displays and proliferation – just helping fellow asthmatics and sportspeople.

Yes I know, my mistake. I noticed that just after I’d posted it to the ng. So I sent a reply by email as well. Norman

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Hi Richard I’m amused, I’m sure you can do better than that. I couldn’t find any reference to asthma in you posting at all. Norman

Ahhh Norm – your ignorance is once again apparent – ET asked for email replies – read her post – I am not interested in public displays and proliferation – just helping fellow asthmatics and sportspeople.

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I would suggest you speak to your pulmonologist about one of the leukotriene inhibitors (ACCOLATE, ZYFLO or my preference SINGULAIR).  All of these have been beneficial to various degrees in exercise induced asthma. Scooby RCP, EMT-P

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I am a 23 year old who has had excercise induced asthma since I was 16.  Until I was 22, I was able to control my symptoms with Proventil. In the past year, I developed horrible asthma symptoms on a regular basis, not just from excercise.  While I have been able to control the symptoms with Pulmicort and Serevent during regular activity, I am still unable to excercise easily.  It take me weeks to build up the ability to jog on a treadmill for 10 minutes.  I have always been an active person and have become frustrated and angered by my inability to excercise.   If anyone has any suggestions on medications and/or other techniques that help them with their excercise induced asthma, please contact me by email at

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a 23 year old who has had exercise induced asthma since I was 16. Until I was 22, I was able to control my symptoms with Proventil. In the past year, I developed horrible asthma symptoms on a regular basis, not just from excercise. While I have been able to control the symptoms with Pulmicort and Serevent during regular activity, I am still unable to excercise easily.  It take me weeks to build up the ability to jog on a treadmill for 10 minutes.  I have always been an active person and have become frustrated and angered by my inability to excercise. If anyone has any suggestions on medications and/or other techniques that help them with their excercise induced asthma, please contact me by email at

Hi I’ve found the Buteyko breathing technique very useful when exercising, I now no longer need to use Ventolin before exercise. Give it a try. Buteyko is a breathing technique. But unlike many other breathing methods Buteyko’s aim is to breath less. Buteyko has improved my asthma, reduced my Ventolin to zero and my steroids by half. I would recommend all asthmatics to try it to see if it works for them. However a word of warning, some have felt so good after using it for a few months they have thrown their medication away. You should continue to carry your medication even though your asthma may be in remission. Buteyko is a great method to help reduce asthma – it is not a miracle cure. For a good introducing and more information on Buteyko try http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm. It is best viewed by using the option to download the whole site and then read at leisure. There is quite a lot of it. See the ‘Get Started Now’ section, to get you started. It is completely free. But for both sides of the camp go to http://home.netscape.com/ and search for Buteyko using SNAP. This will give you other sites of interest including http://home.pacbell.net/colin/ which is Colin Campell’s rejection of the method (which I disagree with). Norman

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My mistake.  As from 1/1/2004 the concessional rate is $3.80 and the general rate is $23.70. "." <asspu…@punkass.com

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Tim Dicinoski wrote… me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a

general

patient. Isn’t it $3.60 and $22.50? — Regards, .

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Yes, I am Australian. "ABroaD" <lhj8…@hanafos.com

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> news:407406f8@news.comindico.com.au… > > I was hospitalised on Christmas Eve after taking 100 paracetamol during a

major psychotic episode with paranoid delusions.  (It’s amazing I still have a functioning liver).  I am now taking Zyprexa (olanzapine) 5mg b.d. and Zoloft (sertraline)100mg b.d., and feel better than I have in years.

The

only side effects I have experienced are dry mouth and (slight) sexual dysfunction.  I was previously on Risperdal (risperidone) which caused

an

extremely unpleasant case of tardive dyskinesia & extrapyramidal disorders. I simply cannot recommend these medications (Risperdal & Zoloft) too highly. And thanks to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, they only cost me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a

general

patient. Tim Dicinoski.

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I was hospitalised on Christmas Eve after taking 100 paracetamol during a major psychotic episode with paranoid delusions.  (It’s amazing I still have a functioning liver).  I am now taking Zyprexa (olanzapine) 5mg b.d. and Zoloft (sertraline)100mg b.d., and feel better than I have in years.  The only side effects I have experienced are dry mouth and (slight) sexual dysfunction.  I was previously on Risperdal (risperidone) which caused an extremely unpleasant case of tardive dyskinesia & extrapyramidal disorders. I simply cannot recommend these medications (Risperdal & Zoloft) too highly. And thanks to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, they only cost me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a general patient. Tim Dicinoski.

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Tim Dicinoski wrote…

me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a general patient.

Isn’t it $3.60 and $22.50? — Regards, .

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Paracetamol is also known as acetaminophen. "Tim Dicinoski" <timino…@dodo.com.au

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I was hospitalised on Christmas Eve after taking 100 paracetamol during a major psychotic episode with paranoid delusions.  (It’s amazing I still

have

a functioning liver).  I am now taking Zyprexa (olanzapine) 5mg b.d. and Zoloft (sertraline)100mg b.d., and feel better than I have in years.  The only side effects I have experienced are dry mouth and (slight) sexual dysfunction.  I was previously on Risperdal (risperidone) which caused an extremely unpleasant case of tardive dyskinesia & extrapyramidal

disorders.

I simply cannot recommend these medications (Risperdal & Zoloft) too

highly.

And thanks to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, they only

cost

me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a general patient. Tim Dicinoski.

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How much Risperdal were you taking, that allegedly led to the problems? "Tim Dicinoski" <timino…@dodo.com.au

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I was hospitalised on Christmas Eve after taking 100 paracetamol during a major psychotic episode with paranoid delusions.  (It’s amazing I still

have

a functioning liver).  I am now taking Zyprexa (olanzapine) 5mg b.d. and Zoloft (sertraline)100mg b.d., and feel better than I have in years.  The only side effects I have experienced are dry mouth and (slight) sexual dysfunction.  I was previously on Risperdal (risperidone) which caused an extremely unpleasant case of tardive dyskinesia & extrapyramidal

disorders.

I simply cannot recommend these medications (Risperdal & Zoloft) too

highly.

And thanks to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, they only

cost

me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a general patient. Tim Dicinoski.

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are you an australian? "Tim Dicinoski" <timino…@dodo.com.au

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I was hospitalised on Christmas Eve after taking 100 paracetamol during a major psychotic episode with paranoid delusions.  (It’s amazing I still

have

a functioning liver).  I am now taking Zyprexa (olanzapine) 5mg b.d. and Zoloft (sertraline)100mg b.d., and feel better than I have in years.  The only side effects I have experienced are dry mouth and (slight) sexual dysfunction.  I was previously on Risperdal (risperidone) which caused an extremely unpleasant case of tardive dyskinesia & extrapyramidal

disorders.

I simply cannot recommend these medications (Risperdal & Zoloft) too

highly.

And thanks to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, they only

cost

me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a general patient. Tim Dicinoski.

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Initially 1 mg b.d., increasing to 3 mg b.d. by week 4.  And the dyskinesia was hardly alleged: people thought I was a spastic. "Cubit" <n…@no.not

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> news:407406f8@news.comindico.com.au… > > I was hospitalised on Christmas Eve after taking 100 paracetamol during a

major psychotic episode with paranoid delusions.  (It’s amazing I still have a functioning liver).  I am now taking Zyprexa (olanzapine) 5mg b.d. and Zoloft (sertraline)100mg b.d., and feel better than I have in years.

The

only side effects I have experienced are dry mouth and (slight) sexual dysfunction.  I was previously on Risperdal (risperidone) which caused

an

extremely unpleasant case of tardive dyskinesia & extrapyramidal disorders. I simply cannot recommend these medications (Risperdal & Zoloft) too highly. And thanks to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, they only cost me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a

general

patient. Tim Dicinoski.

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I am currently on a very low dose of Risperdal, thank God. —– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cubit wrote:

How much Risperdal were you taking, that allegedly led to the problems?

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good! join Madites Intelligence Agency! "Tim Dicinoski" <timino…@dodo.com.au

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> news:c52s0m$f10$1@news.hananet.net… > > are you an australian? > > "Tim Dicinoski" <timino…@dodo.com.au

wrote in message

> > news:407406f8@news.comindico.com.au… > > > I was hospitalised on Christmas Eve after taking 100 paracetamol during

a major psychotic episode with paranoid delusions.  (It’s amazing I

still

have a functioning liver).  I am now taking Zyprexa (olanzapine) 5mg b.d.

and

Zoloft (sertraline)100mg b.d., and feel better than I have in years. The only side effects I have experienced are dry mouth and (slight) sexual dysfunction.  I was previously on Risperdal (risperidone) which caused an extremely unpleasant case of tardive dyskinesia & extrapyramidal disorders. I simply cannot recommend these medications (Risperdal & Zoloft) too highly. And thanks to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, they only cost me $2.80 per prescription as a pensioner (it would be $15.60 as a general patient. Tim Dicinoski.

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How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"

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Dan: I am 51, and while I stopped taking meds this fall, I was previously on Celexa 20 mg for 3 years and Paxil 20 mg and then 30 mg for one year. – Anne

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I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and  often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"

I’m 57, and have been on the TCA dothiepin (prothiaden) for some years – though recently discontinued it, and have felt no ill effect from that: therapy alone is now enough for me. Before the TCA, I was on Paxil, which didn’t agree with me – too many side effects. If I needed an AD again, I would go back to dothiepin. -David-

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Hi Dan! I’m 57 and I’ve been on Paxil for about 4 – 5 years.  I only require 10 mg.  I seem to be very sensitive to meds, but I don’t know if it’s due to age or not.  Even that amount, combined with .5 mg Ativan twice a day makes me lethargic. Dot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit" I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and  often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip Thanks Philip, Is that "imipramine" the generic name or the other name form.

It’s the generic name. Most common brand name: *Tofranil*. I should buy a medical book to look these up.

You can find them on the net at Arthur’s excellent dictionary at http://www.anxiety-panic.com Is it taken daily and in what measurements does it come.

Here the smalles dosage is 25 mg (and I also mean the pill is so small that one can hardly cut it in half). In the US tabs 0f 10 mg are available. It is taken daily, like with all AD’s it’s a matter of finding out whether taking it in the AM or in the PM agrees best with you. I actually take part of it in the AM and part of it in the PM, don’t really remember why Like all TCA’s is has a large therapeutic window, from 75 mg to, say, 225 mg. Too high TCA doses are toxic though which angain is individual and can, if necessary, being measured by blood work. (Just as a side note, my regular MD, told me yesterday–that I sould ask my psycharist to switch me to another medicine, when I told him I was no lonfer taking celexa-because of excessive sleepiness).

If that sleepiness bothers you too much it may be a good idea. I am going to ask my Pdoc about it–but I’m not so sure he’ll put me on it anyway.

Another good choice may be Effexor, a newer med which, like TCA’s but in a somewhat different way, targets both serotonin and norepinephrine receptors. The different types of doctors–if they do one thing–it is protect their territory–when you ask for a med. change.

I have been rather lucky in this dept. as my pdoc actually agreed to my own choice of meds. Also you MAY be right about age making no difference, but if so–then it’s one of those very RARE things where age doesn’t count.

This is a big *YMMV*, I was strictly talking about myself. Medication for the elderly (but we’re not yet there when we are in our fifties or early sixties IMO) can sometimes be different (as in smaller benzo doses, for instance, or no TCA’s when having cardiovascular problems etc.etc.) Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you?

Zoloft for anxiety and depression, Ativan when needed, and Concerta to keep me peppy. Take care, Liz

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So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. I’m 58 and started Zoloft for depression 10 years ago (when I was 48). My dose of Zoloft depends on whether I am depressed or not. I also take a TCA called desipramine to boost the effects of the Zoloft. Zoloft works well for me. I take Klonopin for anxiety/panic/agoraphobia. Chip

Thank you each and every one . As for zoloft–I just could not take that–it kept me awake. Celexa–the opposite. Basically–I can use xanax for attacks of anxiety–with no problem, but I would definately like to try something else. Good suggestions here–will he write me something different is the question.

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I am posting this for LM being his post never showed up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ubject: If You are at least 50 Years of age and on anti-depressants How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit"

the only time age is a factor in prescribing any medication is if the patient is geriatric in nature, or has some compromised abilities in metabolizing some types of drugs-usually the longer half life drugs like valium, klonopin and prozac etc… other then that profile of patient and drug are used as a methodology for prescribing LM ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many here are at least 50 years old? If you are what anti-depressant are you using and have you been using it since turning 50 years young? I know this probably doesn’t make much sense to lots of people in here–but I’m trying to find out if one medicine is prescribed more for older folks? We live in a world of numbers and age of course bing the biggest factor of all in the numbers "game". (Another example of numbers that I read is that 66% of all alcoholics who have quit drinking, have mental problems of some sort) Even car insurance companies use age in figuring their fees for insurance–another number. What is your income level–another number. So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here. Thanks Much and allways remember in all you do this one very important factor: "If it doesn’t fit, You MUST acquit" I am 54 and am currently on *imipramine* and Xanax and they work well for me. In the first 18 years or so of my PD which started in 1968 when I was 20 I was only on a benzo. Around age 42 or so I needed to add an AD which was *clomipramine*, another TCA (and one that is much researched and  often prescribed in Europe while imipramine seems more of an American first choice TCA). At some point clomipramine seemed to *poop out* on me and I tried SSRI’s and even the RIMA *moclobemide* (always together with a benzo) which worked but I seem to respond just a bit better to TCA’s. In my case I don’t think any of this has anything to do with age. Philip

Thanks Philip, Is that "imipramine" the generic name or the other name form. I should buy a medical book to look these up. Is it taken daily and in what measurements does it come. (Just as a side note, my regular MD, told me yesterday–that I sould ask my psycharist to switch me to another medicine, when I told him I was no lonfer taking celexa-because of excessive sleepiness). I am going to ask my Pdoc about it–but I’m not so sure he’ll put me on it anyway. The different types of doctors–if they do one thing–it is protect their territory–when you ask for a med. change. Also you MAY be right about age making no difference, but if so–then it’s one of those very RARE things where age doesn’t count. Thanks much for your comment.

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So what I’m asking here is simple. 50 years of age and up: what anti-depressant are you taking and how is it working for you? Now if no one replies, then I know that I’m the oldie in here.

I’m 58 and started Zoloft for depression 10 years ago (when I was 48). My dose of Zoloft depends on whether I am depressed or not. I also take a TCA called desipramine to boost the effects of the Zoloft. Zoloft works well for me. I take Klonopin for anxiety/panic/agoraphobia. Chip

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Question:

Eleonore Beaudoin wrote:

"You take a "J", that’s a "dshz" and an "am": "am" You put them all together and they spell "yam"??

I know a different version. I think it was sung by Fred Astaire: Come on and hear the yam man cry… Any yaaaaam today? The sweet potatoes that he’ll fry Will be yaaaaaam today The little step that you see him do With every yam that he sells to you Is something that you ought to try COME AND YAM TODAY … Come on, shake your de-pression And let’s have a yam session! There’s that long note. One, two, three… yaaaaaaaam… And much more in the same vein…. I’m afraid I never learnt the full declension of peanuttus butterus. Sorry. I suggest your bird go back to theoretical physics, since as I remember he was on the verge of making some important breakthrough there… Yam-for-brains

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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: "You take a "J", that’s a "dshz" and an "am": "am" You put them all together and they spell "yam"?? I know a different version. I think it was sung by Fred Astaire: Come on and hear the yam man cry… Any yaaaaam today? The sweet potatoes that he’ll fry Will be yaaaaaam today The little step that you see him do With every yam that he sells to you Is something that you ought to try COME AND YAM TODAY

I remember that one too: Henry the eight I yam I yam Henry the 8th I yam I yam I’ve had troubles with my Windows before They were jam 7 times before " etc?

… Come on, shake your de-pression And let’s have a yam session! There’s that long note. One, two, three… yaaaaaaaam…

yam ta voix yam tes mains Yam ton ti frere ta tite soeur to ti chien Yam papa Yam maman Yam meme toi aussiiiiiiiiii:)

And much more in the same vein…. I’m afraid I never learnt the full declension of peanuttus butterus. Sorry. I suggest your

It is soemthign like "Arachibus elephantibus plantibus cruncheous barbecuorum"…

bird go back to theoretical physics, since as I remember he was on the verge of making some important breakthrough there…

Oh he made the break through: he sold out to the Russians:( (How did you think he leg got amputated anyway? You did not *really* believe a cat chewed THAT bird’s leg off, did you?? Scientific torture, I tell ya!! I should never had let him learn to long on the net:(

Yam-for-brains

Seems like the Russians already used the jam-brain virus he created then…:(. That’ll teach me to remember to not trust a bird in the hand….:(. Specially not a pigeon (messy beaucoup!:)) —

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:28:09 +0100 OB <obl…@my-deja.com

wrote: ric had the idea of organising another pantomime: Raff could be a beautiful professional woman,

What the giggle? Should I be lereificated once agigglegain? Oh my!

Boris could be a long time ASLer who’s got a bone to pick with Raff,

Is there any BBB? (Borisk of Boring Boreruns).

and you could be Bill Gates… Tell you what – Bill could be Gates,

What do you mean by "could"? Bill *is* Gates. He is disguised because nobody should suspect that, in secret, he uses Netscape!

and that would leave me to be the Horse again, a part with which I am familiar, neigh, word-perfect and have played to packed and boisterously appreciative audiences in venues as diverse as Margate and Southend-on-Sea.

What is the difference between these two audiences? I know that Margate is a town near Folkestone, but what about the other? Or Southend-on-Sea stands for S.O.S.? (Save-us! OB Sucks!) Have puntomime The beautiful Lerei — Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)

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OB, Thank you for this most edifying lesson in Latin. I guess my teachers had no time for breakk or never heard of jam. I now will start teachign Thcip Tchip Latin lessons and will eb able to do it as it shoudl be done: "Jam yesterday, Jam tomorrow, but no Jam today". After a few days he might attack me of course, as peanut buter alone is rather hard to swallow…. Would you happen to knwo how to say "peanut butter" in Latin, BTW? For lack of knowing how to say it, Tchip Tchip refers to it as "MMMM-mmmMMM!", where this comes from the fact that he can not open his beak when it is full of (jamless) peanut butter, thus happenign to make the sound "M", ever since. I am now trying to teach him words starting with "M" using an old Sesame Street tune that went: "You take an "M", That’s an "MMMMmmmm" and an "a,n" : "an". You put them all together and  they spell "Man" That’s *Man*, "M,a,n" : "Man"! You take an "M", That’s a…HhhhhMMMMmmmmmmm And an "a,n": "an", You put them all together and they spell "Man". But so far, he just humms it, going M-mm-m-mmm, mm-mm-mm Mmm-m-m-mmm MMMMM Mmm-mm-mm-mm-m-m-m-m M, M, M! and so on…. Think I shoudl start with the Jam Latin Lesson first? "You take a "J", that’s a "dshz" and an "am": "am" You put them all together and they spell "yam"?? Would not the Yod of the latin "J" get him all confused…??? In that case the Latin for Peanut Butter might help solve this and offer him some better adapted option… Thanks, Chloe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - OB (obl…@my-deja.com) writes:

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>> I’m at a loss to understand "jam tomorrow"… like maybe th heck with >> tomorrow?… > "Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow but never jam today". When I was a youngster, back in > the early nineteenth century, every schoolboy had to learn this in their Latin > classes. It describes the correct usage of the Latin adverb "iam" (cognates in > Spanish "ya" and in French "d

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I told my doctor today that the zoloft was not doing anything for me after the initial dosage of 25mg. (I did feel a little better) and after a month he uped the dosage to 50mg– which I felt no different and if anything more anxious. (Xanax aslo perscribed) After taking the 50 mg for a month –I asked him today should I switch to Paxil? He told me don’t believe all the advertizing you read, paxil won’t work any better than zoloft. Just thought you might like mto hear this from what I consider a good  P doctor.

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I told my doctor today that the zoloft was not doing anything for me after the initial dosage of 25mg. (I did feel a little better) and after a month he uped the dosage to 50mg– which I felt no different and if anything more anxious. (Xanax aslo perscribed) After taking the 50 mg for a month –I asked him today should I switch to Paxil? He told me don’t believe all the advertizing you read, paxil won’t work any better than zoloft. Just thought you might like mto hear this from what I consider a good  P doctor.

  I think that your doctor just means that Paxil and Zoloft are just as effective percentage wise in treating PA…However, this does not mean that you don’t fit into the 30% that don’t find help with Zoloft…Nor does it mean that you won’t be sucessful with Paxil because you weren’t with Zoloft…All the SSRI’s may have different effects on you…All that being said I agree with what’s been said here…I felt a little better with 50 mg…A lot better at 100 mg…You have a long way to go before giving up on Zoloft…And some improvement at 25 mg likely means a lot more later…Therefore switching to Paxil may just cost you time (since it’ll take just as long to be effective most likely)… — Charles Phipps

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Philip,     I just wanted to chime in an opinion.  I’ve been on both paxil and zoloft. Zoloft made me like a zombie.  Paxil did wonders in preventing attacks.  I’m on Effexor XR 75 mg right now and it has actually let me make some improvements in my life.  Plus it doesn’t make me feel drowsy like most of the others do. Craig Mangrum – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I told my doctor today that the zoloft was not doing anything for me after the initial dosage of 25mg. (I did feel a little better) and after a month he uped the dosage to 50mg– which I felt no different and if anything more anxious. (Xanax aslo perscribed) After taking the 50 mg for a month –I asked him today should I switch to Paxil? He told me don’t believe all the advertizing you read, paxil won’t work any better than zoloft. Just thought you might like mto hear this from what I consider a good  P doctor. The truth is, though, that our reactions to different SSRI’s are very personal and that some may do well on Zoloft and worse on Paxil or vice versa etc. If all SSRI’s had the same results with everybody there wouldn’t have to be more than one. Regarding the Zoloft I believe that you haven’t given it a fair trial yet. Philip

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I told my doctor today that the zoloft was not doing anything for me after the initial dosage of 25mg. (I did feel a little better) and after a month he uped the dosage to 50mg– which I felt no different and if anything more anxious. (Xanax aslo perscribed) After taking the 50 mg for a month –I asked him today should I switch to Paxil? He told me don’t believe all the advertizing you read, paxil won’t work any better than zoloft. Just thought you might like mto hear this from what I consider a good  P doctor.

The truth is, though, that our reactions to different SSRI’s are very personal and that some may do well on Zoloft and worse on Paxil or vice versa etc. If all SSRI’s had the same results with everybody there wouldn’t have to be more than one. Regarding the Zoloft I believe that you haven’t given it a fair trial yet. Philip

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I told my doctor today that the zoloft was not doing anything for me after the initial dosage of 25mg. (I did feel a little better) and after a month he uped the dosage to 50mg– which I felt no different and if anything more anxious. (Xanax aslo perscribed) After taking the 50 mg for a month –I asked him today should I switch to Paxil? He told me don’t believe all the advertizing you read, paxil won’t work any better than zoloft. Just thought you might like mto hear this from what I consider a good  P doctor.

Hi Dan, Get a new doctor, or educate him His statement is false. We have many people here that did awful on Zoloft but did well on Paxil and vice  versa. Even though the two are SSRI anti-depressants, they are still quite different. All the meds in the SSRI family are different from each other. Some are more sedating than others, and some are more stimulating. If you feel that strongly about trying a new med, demand it or find a new doctor. You might want to think of upping the Zoloft dose, your dose might be a bit low, and that is why you are still experiencing anxiety. 50mgs of Zoloft is a low therapeutic dose. Use your Xanax to help you deal with the anxiety.  Take care!! Jackie ~~On earth, an angel’s wings are inside~~

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I agree to educate this MD or get a new one.  Very poor answer.  I have been on paxil about 5 years and it has been a life saver, Zoloft did nothing for me.

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(Dan Littleton) writes: I told my doctor today that the zoloft was not doing anything for me after the initial dosage of 25mg. (I did feel a little better) and after a month he uped the dosage to 50mg– which I felt no different and if anything more anxious.

Hi Dan. I think you might want to give the Z more of a chance. 25mg *really* isn’t much and if it was helping a little bit, that’s a good sign. Some people need 200mg or even more, but your doctor is right to increase it gradually. The increased anxiety as you raise the dose is a common side effect – if you’re able to tolerate it for a little while, the extra anxiety will go away as your body gets used to the drug. I don’t remember if you are taking other meds as well, but if not, you might ask for a benzo such as Klonopin, Xanax, or Ativan, to smooth things out while you’re increasing the dose of Zoloft. Paxil doesn’t work better than Zoloft in general (statistically), but it does work better for some people. For others, Zoloft works better – it averages out the same. You have no way of knowing which will be better for you unless you try them both – which is a pain in the a**, admittedly! If I were in your place, though, I’d stay with the Zoloft, since you’ve already put so much time into it and had a bit of an improvement even at a very low dose. I hope things continue to get better! -elizabeth

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Sadly, Joyce

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I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!!

Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reported it to my pdoc and he said that he thought it was just side effects. I can’t deal with the side  effects! I need to work! I am not in a position to stop working! I am in a quandry. I can’t work with this illness and I can’t work with the side effects. I don’t know what to do!! Ok, well… if you’ve reported it to your doctor and he’s that dismissive I would suggest it’s time to get a little firm with him, if you can possibly manage that. Dismissing such an effect so lightly isn’t any use to you. There are plenty of other medications you could be taking and such a glib reaction to a very real concern isn’t fair. My advice, FWIW, is to go back to your doctor and explain the situation in exactly the same terms you’ve explained it to us. If you find this hard to do, face to face (and it can be) you might consider writing him a letter about it. I’ve sometimes communicated with doctors that way and it can help, IME. Hope that’s some use. Good luck! — Gary Cooper

I agree with Gary.  If you can’t bear the side effects, then your doc needs to change or adjust your medication.  I had much less of a side effect on Zoloft, but it was still unacceptable to me and my doc took me off. Iris —

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I agree with Gary that you should report it asap to your doc, just in case.  I too take 20mg daily and had some slight "chills" and a general feeling of "spaciness."  Many on Paxil appreciate its overall effect, but need to take Xanax or another of its type to help ease the numerous, but mostly minor side effects.  I find the need for Xanax diminishes as time goes on (of course your mileage may vary – YMMV).  I can’t answer your question as to whether or not your tremors will cease. From my own experience, the side effects diminish to tolerable levels and then "plateau."  Others on this ng have had the opposite experience and they had to cease taking Paxil.  See your doc, & give it some time if the doc determines the tremors do not represent a serious situation.  Inquire about the Xanax.  I have found Paxil to be wonderfully effective but not a panacea.  Let us know what happens!  :-)     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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Hi folks, I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life. Any advice? Joyce

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I’ve been on 20 mg. Paxil for 4 1/2 weeks. All side effects have gone away. But, for the last week and a half I’ve been trembling really bad. It is subsiding but is still noticeable. Will the trembling eventually go away? Anyone else have this problem on SSRI’s? I also feel kinda out of it. Hard to describe but just a unreal feeling. I have not had a panic attack for a long time and generally feel pretty good. I want to keep taking the Paxil but I don’t want to tremble for the rest of my life.

Joyce, I think you should report this to your doctor immediately. Did you have a problem with trembling before taking Paxil? — Gary Cooper

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I have never had a problem with trembling, even at the height of panic…Since I started on Zoloft, I am definitly doing better with the panic, but notice I have a slight tremor in my left arm/hand..sometimes I feel as if my legs are shaking too..Is this a possible side effect of Zoloft? Thanks Laura

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Laura, yes zoloft can cause tremors but there is nothing to get worried about it is a possible side effect. If would ease your anxiety talk to your Dr. about it.

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