Pulmicort and Budesonide are the same medicine. One is the trade / brand name and the other is the generic name, just like Salbutamol is called Ventolin. The delivery device is called a turbohaler, for the powder.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Jack, Yes I am from the UK and Flixotide is indeed fluticasone administered with the CFC free propellant-HFA 134a, known as the Evohaler (correct spelling). So in the USA it’s known as Flovent, that’s interesting to know, thanks for pointing this out to me. I asked my chemist if the old propellant ones were still available but he said they’re being fased out…..enviromental regulations. I take it this also applies in the United States? I must say, the new evohaler doesn’t give me much confidence, especially when nearing the end of it’s 120 actuations. The spray is sometimes very weak unlike the older propellant which was very strong and you could actually taste it which I found reasurring. Anyway, I’ll persevere, like my GP suggested but I don’t like the idea of increasing the medication, that to me seems a backward step, afterall I did so well on the 50 micrograms for the past 3 years, I don’t believe my asthma as worsend, just the change in medication. This brings me onto the powder alternative, the ‘Pulmicort’, is this the name of the actual device from which the powder is administered? And what is Budesonide? Thank you to all who replied. BTW, when I visited my GP recently I had my Peak flow checked and after 3 tries I could only get as high as 450, I was quite alarmed when he said the average for a normal male of my age and height is 680. John. < John. Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it? We call it Flovent. Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid. In which case you may want to go back to a propelled medication whether the old or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)
John. Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it? We call it Flovent. Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid. In which case you may want to go back to a propelled medication whether the old or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)
Hello Jack, Yes I am from the UK and Flixotide is indeed fluticasone administered with the CFC free propellant-HFA 134a, known as the Evohaler (correct spelling). So in the USA it’s known as Flovent, that’s interesting to know, thanks for pointing this out to me. I asked my chemist if the old propellant ones were still available but he said they’re being fased out…..enviromental regulations. I take it this also applies in the United States? I must say, the new evohaler doesn’t give me much confidence, especially when nearing the end of it’s 120 actuations. The spray is sometimes very weak unlike the older propellant which was very strong and you could actually taste it which I found reasurring. Anyway, I’ll persevere, like my GP suggested but I don’t like the idea of increasing the medication, that to me seems a backward step, afterall I did so well on the 50 micrograms for the past 3 years, I don’t believe my asthma as worsend, just the change in medication. This brings me onto the powder alternative, the ‘Pulmicort’, is this the name of the actual device from which the powder is administered? And what is Budesonide? Thank you to all who replied. BTW, when I visited my GP recently I had my Peak flow checked and after 3 tries I could only get as high as 450, I was quite alarmed when he said the average for a normal male of my age and height is 680. John. < – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John. Don’t think I have the answers but want to clairify some items as it’s apparent you’re writing from outside the US, probably from the UK and some important names are different. Flixotide is fluticasone isn’t it? We call it Flovent. Available here with propellant or as a powder. If you want to try a powder ’steroid just as good I’m pretty sure you can get the Budesonide (Pulmocort) Turbuhaler Are you sure this Evoinhaler isn’t powder? You sound like someone having a bad time handling a powder ’steroid. In which case you may want to go back to a propelled medication whether the old or new type. (Also in which case your doctor wasn’t listening to your complaint, ‘ cause he should sure as ____ should know whether the medicaton is powder or the new propellant.)
I can remember when I couldn’t see across the street on smoggy days. I think that things are actually a lot better, as compared to the 60s for example. Perhaps you are younger, and don’t remember! Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."
I wonder whether recent environmental degeneration has had an impact on our air quality / pollutants and therefore a knock-on effect to asthma sufferers
This has been examined. Poor air quality can aggravate existing asthma but will not cause asthma. "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992
Since I was put on Flixotide 50 (replacing Becotide 100) about three years ago, my ashtma has been very well controlled, so much so I rarely used my Ventolin/Salbutomol, quite a dramatic improvement to say I used to use my ventolin 2/3 times aday for several years. But now my inhaler has changed to a more enviromently friendly ‘Evoinhaler’ and after a couple of days of using the new evoinhaler, my asthma came back to trouble me. The first thing I noticed when using it was that I couldn’t taste the medication, very unreasurring, not knowing if it was administer correctly or not and it doesn’t spray so powerfully as the old type. Secondly, a little while after use my chest would tighten a little and now I have a dry/barking cough, maybe it’s the different propellent that’s not suiting me? My Doctor said I should persevere, to readjust and if necessary he would increase the medication to 100. I would like to hear of other peoples experiences with this Evoinhaler, maybe you’ve noticed a difference too. Also, is Flixotide available in dry powder form? I use to use a spinhaler which I found effective. Thanks. BTW this is my first post to a newsgroup, I discovered this newsgroup with the help of a friend. John age 35
I just got changed from Flovent to pulmicort for the same reason (propellant made my chest tight after use.) works lots better. I think Flovent has changed it’s propellant, too. Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."
Instead of Beclazone 250, I am using now Seretide 250 (a snazzy little non CFC inhaler) and it has given me alot more control of my asthma. After nearly two years in & out of hospital I am relieved to have found it & thoroughly recomend it !! Have you noticed an increase in your own asthmatic events over the last few years? I wonder whether recent environmental degeneration has had an impact on our air quality / pollutants and therefore a knock-on effect to asthma sufferers …….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since I was put on Flixotide 50 (replacing Becotide 100) about three years ago, my ashtma has been very well controlled, so much so I rarely used my Ventolin/Salbutomol, quite a dramatic improvement to say I used to use my ventolin 2/3 times aday for several years. But now my inhaler has changed to a more enviromently friendly ‘Evoinhaler’ and after a couple of days of using the new evoinhaler, my asthma came back to trouble me. The first thing I noticed when using it was that I couldn’t taste the medication, very unreasurring, not knowing if it was administer correctly or not and it doesn’t spray so powerfully as the old type. Secondly, a little while after use my chest would tighten a little and now I have a dry/barking cough, maybe it’s the different propellent that’s not suiting me? My Doctor said I should persevere, to readjust and if necessary he would increase the medication to 100. I would like to hear of other peoples experiences with this Evoinhaler, maybe you’ve noticed a difference too. Also, is Flixotide available in dry powder form? I use to use a spinhaler which I found effective. Thanks. BTW this is my first post to a newsgroup, I discovered this newsgroup with the help of a friend. John age 35
Haldol makes me sane when I’m not. Hey Sally. Bob suggested Haldol as well, though I’m wary of it, since it’s such an old drug, and has some severe side effects, from what I hear. Have you had any problems with it? Ian — http://sundry.ws/
Hey Ian, Every once in awhile, I will get TD (tardive dyskenesia) but I also have a prescription for Cogentin that I take when that happens, and it is okay. Haldol’s the only anti psychotic that I have been on that has helped me – the newer ones don’t, and Seroquel nearly killed me. I find Haldol to be the right medicine for me, but YMMV. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Haldol’s the only anti psychotic that I have been on that has helped me – the newer ones don’t, and Seroquel nearly killed me. I find Haldol to be the right medicine for me, but YMMV.
Hey Sally. Seroquel nearly killed me as well. My pdoc would not listen. I really, truly believe he has read the Marquis de Sade, as he seemed to be a real sadist. I mean, he seemed to enjoy the fact that I was suffering under his care. That Seroquel would give me terrifying body rushes every time I went to sleep. I thought I was gonna die every night. The Abilify isn’t getting rid of the racing thoughts, or helping with the concentration, so I’ll mention to my new pdoc the Haldol, next time I see him. I guess Cogentin isn’t too bad, although with my history, I wonder if they would give me something like that. Thanks for the suggestion, Sally, and BTW, I keep meaning to respond to your very thoughtful email, but I’m too overwhelmed right now to put enough thought into it. Hope you’re well, Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Haldol’s the only anti psychotic that I have been on that has helped me – the newer ones don’t, and Seroquel nearly killed me. I find Haldol to be the right medicine for me, but YMMV. Hey Sally. Seroquel nearly killed me as well. My pdoc would not listen. I really, truly believe he has read the Marquis de Sade, as he seemed to be a real sadist. I mean, he seemed to enjoy the fact that I was suffering under his care. That Seroquel would give me terrifying body rushes every time I went to sleep. I thought I was gonna die every night. The Abilify isn’t getting rid of the racing thoughts, or helping with the concentration, so I’ll mention to my new pdoc the Haldol, next time I see him. I guess Cogentin isn’t too bad, although with my history, I wonder if they would give me something like that. Thanks for the suggestion, Sally, and BTW, I keep meaning to respond to your very thoughtful email, but I’m too overwhelmed right now to put enough thought into it. Hope you’re well, Ian — http://sundry.ws/
Ian, I have had a couple of pdocs that gave me Haldol, but didn’t like to do it. They wanted me on a new anti psychotic, but I’ve tried them, and they just don’t work for me. Haldol, however, does. Right now I have a great pdoc, whose attitude is "if the medication you are taking is working, let’s keep it like that." He’s not a benzophobe either, last RX he gave me for Xanax had FIVE refills on it. As to the cogentin, I take that on an "as needed" basis. I have a bottle of it that is about 8 months old, I have a lot left. If you get a day of TD you will know it, because your facial muscles do things you don’t want them to do. Not fun, but it’s manageable with Cogentin. It’s more annoying than anything else. Don’t worry about answering emails. You write when you want to, I’m here whenever, and my feelings don’t get hurt if I don’t get an answer 
Whenever you need to, my inbox is open to you. (and everyone else, for that matter) Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
How long have you been getting medical help for the anxiety? It took years for me to get somewhat settled, and I’m always looking for more help. Ah, well, the anxiety is considered just part of the general diagnosis of schizoaffective. My previous pdoc told me to get used to it. My current one is a bit nicer. He gives me Klonopin and tells me to get used to life on that. Didn’t mean to send such a weird post. I talked to Bob A. for a while, and I agreed to take only three of them, as opposed to a bunch. Listening to a very nice Cure mix right now … this is one of the benefits of depression, that the Cure sounds really good.
im sadder these days for many reasons, $$$ would surely ease a lot of the anxiety and dep. darn it, this thing, hoovering over me… ugg… going on 14 years… xanax and zoloft.. klonopin was good to me but no money for doctors.. ohh, boysss don’t.. cryyyy love the cure.. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
love the cure..
Yes, they’re great. I used to have the Bob Smith hairdo in high school, back in ‘89, when Disintegration came out. I was all the rage. Not being able to afford a doctor sucks. Can’t you get some help from a free clinic? Around here, I get to see a free pdoc and a free MD, though I suppose it’s not really free, as I’m on disability, and get Medicare and Medicaid. But I think places like that treat you even if you’re broke. I mean, that’s the idea, anyway, that human beings should all get treatment when they need it. It’s like, a human right, or something. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedburg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was young I thought I would become famous. At some point, I realized it would be a good idea just to be safe. Now I’m trying to reverse what lies ahead, but have realized tonight that it can’t be reversed. These moments of clarity come to me every once in a while … this illness is just getting a head of steam on it. Right now the only thing keeping me alive is the fact that I’m still too afraid of the actual act of suicide. I would sure fall off the wagon, though, if I had any money. Perhaps this is a good time to declare a moratorium on going outside. Many of us here have done this, I assume. My friend Bob and I (and many of you know Bob) are forming a software company based on our shared qualities of obsessiveness and reclusiveness. We figure that’s the edge we’ll have over the competition. So maybe this will be a good thing. Who knows. But I seem to be incompatible with society in general, and am feeling like I would rather die than go through this night, unless this night were accompanied by large amounts of Klonopin, which will soon follow. Hope yiz understand. I’m not a danger to myself, just realizing what lies ahead. There really isn’t anywhere else I can go to say this. Ian
Hi Ian, I just want to tell you I hope you hang in there. You are beautifully talented — that is apparent in your website. I also know that being talented isn’t easy — there’s a certain amount of pressure to use it as a means to ’success’, whatever that is. I don’t have a lot of great wisdom to impart here. Just know I’m hoping the best for you. I think you have a great spirit. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
that’s part of why I get suicidal. because of constant emotional pain
I hear you. Other people have to go through phases of pain, and don’t understand what it means to have it in their lives constantly. Then they get smug about their success. <sigh Hope you’re well, and living in the moment, Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Just know I’m hoping the best for you. I think you have a great spirit.
Thanks, Deirdre. I don’t know how to respond, but what you said means a lot to me. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
<gently snipped ::Perhaps this is a good time to declare a moratorium on going ::outside. Many of us here have done this, I assume. Dear Ian, I read in another post that you are doing better today. I`m so glad to hear that. Bad times never last forever. We seem to forget that when we are in and decided to stay inside. Those four walls get old really quickly. Anyways, my panic and anxiety followed me there too I truly empathize with how you are feeling. There are those days where you just throw your hands up and say I can`t do this anymore. But you wake up the next day and it is a little better and you decide to try again. (((((Ian))))) Jackie ~*~My greatest fear is there is no such thing as PMS and this is really my personality~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Don’t give up Ian, when my anxiety was really bad being housebound was somewhere I didn’t want to be. Personally, I don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage you to become housebound in any way. If it’s hard to go outside (does it cause you more anxiety?) you should still try. If you stop going outside, it will be that much harder to go outside when you have to. At least that’s the way I see it. Are you taking any meds or therapy for your schizo-affective disorder?
When my anxiety was very bad at the beginning of my recovery from "meltdown", I made as many trips as I could to my local computer store where I discussed with the proprietor possible specifications for a new computer for him to build for me. The distance was far enough to be exercise and short enough to not be excessively tiring. Make up excuses to go outside. You don’t have to stay there long but make it a point to make it past the front door. If you can set up a chair outside you can take a book or magazine with you to peruse or maybe listen to some music. Gains are made in short steps. — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
If you stop going outside, it will be that much harder to go outside when you have to. Hi Doug. Last night was just a real night of despair. I think today is a bit better, and thank you for the kind words. Going outside … well, I have to for certain things, but man is it hard to deal with "normal" people. We should do things where we feel better afterward, and dealing with society always leaves me feeling desperate. It’s better on the Internet, for whatever reason.
Dealings on the Internet are for the most part non-personal and remote which are the total opposite of face to face encounters. — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Ian, I’ve read a number of things you posted, and you have a lot of capacity to do a lot, and to experience a lot of meaning, even if that’s not happening in your life right now. Things change, and they sometimes do serendipitously change for the better. - Gary
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – that’s part of why I get suicidal. because of constant emotional pain I hear you. Other people have to go through phases of pain, and don’t understand what it means to have it in their lives constantly. Then they get smug about their success. <sigh Hope you’re well, and living in the moment, Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
How long have you been getting medical help for the anxiety? It took years for me to get somewhat settled, and I’m always looking for more help. Ah, well, the anxiety is considered just part of the general diagnosis of schizoaffective.
There seems to be a fast growing number of people here that are schizoaffective, If I hadn’t told you before, I’m on the list. My previous pdoc told me to get used to it. My current one is a bit nicer. He gives me Klonopin and tells me to get used to life on that.
That’s odd? Most people that are schizoaffective are on antipsychotics? I’m on 400mg of Seroquel. All the benzos in the world didn’t stop my schizo symptoms. Now I’d guess the Seroquel knocked out about 75% of it. Didn’t mean to send such a weird post. I talked to Bob A. for a while, and I agreed to take only three of them, as opposed to a bunch. Listening to a very nice Cure mix right now … this is one of the benefits of depression, that the Cure sounds really good.
For the life of me I can’t remember any of their music. I know I heard it, I guess in the early 80’s? Hope you’re doin’ well, Tony, Ian
Thanks Ian, hoping the same for you. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How long have you been getting medical help for the anxiety? It took years for me to get somewhat settled, and I’m always looking for more help. Ah, well, the anxiety is considered just part of the general diagnosis of schizoaffective. There seems to be a fast growing number of people here that are schizoaffective, If I hadn’t told you before, I’m on the list. My previous pdoc told me to get used to it. My current one is a bit nicer. He gives me Klonopin and tells me to get used to life on that. That’s odd? Most people that are schizoaffective are on antipsychotics? I’m on 400mg of Seroquel. All the benzos in the world didn’t stop my schizo symptoms. Now I’d guess the Seroquel knocked out about 75% of it. Didn’t mean to send such a weird post. I talked to Bob A. for a while, and I agreed to take only three of them, as opposed to a bunch. Listening to a very nice Cure mix right now … this is one of the benefits of depression, that the Cure sounds really good. For the life of me I can’t remember any of their music. I know I heard it, I guess in the early 80’s? Hope you’re doin’ well, Tony, Ian Thanks Ian, hoping the same for you. Tony
Add me to the list of the schizoaffective group.. or I’m schizo something. No two doctors can agree on what I am. I think I’m schizophrenic, actually. Mildly so. But I agree with Tono. An antipsychotic is pretty vital if you’re schizoaffective. I take Haldol. I’ve tried all the "newer" ones, and they don’t do anything good to me, and most of them do something bad to me. Haldol makes me sane when I’m not. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Haldol makes me sane when I’m not.
Hey Sally. Bob suggested Haldol as well, though I’m wary of it, since it’s such an old drug, and has some severe side effects, from what I hear. Have you had any problems with it? Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Dear Ian, In the past.. have you been particularly good at foretelling the future? Have you always seen events coming and knew they were going to happen.. or in the past, have you been surprised by things that happened to you in your life? I wish I could comfort you, you need a hug and reassurance. Email me anytime, you can ask Bob if I’m worthy of trust. Fear is one terrible emotion, and I’m not saying I can guantee you will never feel it, because it’s a human emotion.. but I can share with you some things that I went through. I was certain a year ago that my destiny was to end up on the streets.. Led me to a horrible drinking binge I liked to never came out of. I learned not just how to quit drinking.. I learned how to face life.. most all of it and not live in fear. And I’m glad you are afraid of suicide and I’m glad you are too poor to drink. So looks like you need to learn how to cope. That’s what it looks like to me. If you need to talk, email me anytime. You would be surprised, Ian. What we are capable of living through. I know I am. And that cliche everyone says.. about what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger? That’s not a cliche. It’s the truth. Ask Bob if I know what I’m talking about in that regard. I’m not an expert, but I came out of where you seem to be awhile back. Please take good care.. we care for you. Sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was young I thought I would become famous. At some point, I realized it would be a good idea just to be safe. Now I’m trying to reverse what lies ahead, but have realized tonight that it can’t be reversed. These moments of clarity come to me every once in a while … this illness is just getting a head of steam on it. Right now the only thing keeping me alive is the fact that I’m still too afraid of the actual act of suicide. I would sure fall off the wagon, though, if I had any money. Perhaps this is a good time to declare a moratorium on going outside. Many of us here have done this, I assume. My friend Bob and I (and many of you know Bob) are forming a software company based on our shared qualities of obsessiveness and reclusiveness. We figure that’s the edge we’ll have over the competition. So maybe this will be a good thing. Who knows. But I seem to be incompatible with society in general, and am feeling like I would rather die than go through this night, unless this night were accompanied by large amounts of Klonopin, which will soon follow. Hope yiz understand. I’m not a danger to myself, just realizing what lies ahead. There really isn’t anywhere else I can go to say this. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Don’t give up Ian, when my anxiety was really bad being housebound was somewhere I didn’t want to be. Personally, I don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage you to become housebound in any way. If it’s hard to go outside (does it cause you more anxiety?) you should still try. If you stop going outside, it will be that much harder to go outside when you have to. At least that’s the way I see it. Are you taking any meds or therapy for your schizo-affective disorder? — Doug
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– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hope yiz understand. I’m not a danger to myself, just realizing what lies ahead. There really isn’t anywhere else I can go to say this. Ian
Good luck with the company. Wish I had the skills, my ability to go outside is limited by my illness and its not particularly fun, I miss it a great deal and want to get back to that. I’ve other things that help me stay alive, I’m not particularly afraid of death, a tiny bit afraid of pain, but that’s part of why I get suicidal. because of constant emotional pain. But, I’ve got too much to do and live for at the moment. Just hope I can keep remembering that. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
If you stop going outside, it will be that much harder to go outside when you have to.
Hi Doug. Last night was just a real night of despair. I think today is a bit better, and thank you for the kind words. Going outside … well, I have to for certain things, but man is it hard to deal with "normal" people. We should do things where we feel better afterward, and dealing with society always leaves me feeling desperate. It’s better on the Internet, for whatever reason. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
When I was young I thought I would become famous. At some point, I realized it would be a good idea just to be safe. Now I’m trying to reverse what lies ahead, but have realized tonight that it can’t be reversed. These moments of clarity come to me every once in a while … this illness is just getting a head of steam on it. Right now the only thing keeping me alive is the fact that I’m still too afraid of the actual act of suicide. I would sure fall off the wagon, though, if I had any money. Perhaps this is a good time to declare a moratorium on going outside. Many of us here have done this, I assume. My friend Bob and I (and many of you know Bob) are forming a software company based on our shared qualities of obsessiveness and reclusiveness. We figure that’s the edge we’ll have over the competition. So maybe this will be a good thing. Who knows. But I seem to be incompatible with society in general, and am feeling like I would rather die than go through this night, unless this night were accompanied by large amounts of Klonopin, which will soon follow. Hope yiz understand. I’m not a danger to myself, just realizing what lies ahead. There really isn’t anywhere else I can go to say this. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was young I thought I would become famous. At some point, I realized it would be a good idea just to be safe. Now I’m trying to reverse what lies ahead, but have realized tonight that it can’t be reversed. These moments of clarity come to me every once in a while … this illness is just getting a head of steam on it. Right now the only thing keeping me alive is the fact that I’m still too afraid of the actual act of suicide. I would sure fall off the wagon, though, if I had any money. Perhaps this is a good time to declare a moratorium on going outside. Many of us here have done this, I assume. My friend Bob and I (and many of you know Bob) are forming a software company based on our shared qualities of obsessiveness and reclusiveness. We figure that’s the edge we’ll have over the competition. So maybe this will be a good thing. Who knows. But I seem to be incompatible with society in general, and am feeling like I would rather die than go through this night, unless this night were accompanied by large amounts of Klonopin, which will soon follow. Hope yiz understand. I’m not a danger to myself, just realizing what lies ahead. There really isn’t anywhere else I can go to say this.
How long have you been getting medical help for the anxiety? It took years for me to get somewhat settled, and I’m always looking for more help. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
How long have you been getting medical help for the anxiety? It took years for me to get somewhat settled, and I’m always looking for more help.
Ah, well, the anxiety is considered just part of the general diagnosis of schizoaffective. My previous pdoc told me to get used to it. My current one is a bit nicer. He gives me Klonopin and tells me to get used to life on that. Didn’t mean to send such a weird post. I talked to Bob A. for a while, and I agreed to take only three of them, as opposed to a bunch. Listening to a very nice Cure mix right now … this is one of the benefits of depression, that the Cure sounds really good. Hope you’re doin’ well, Tony, Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have anxiety and lately the new treat of horrible panic attacks. I somewhat control them knowing they do not pose a REAL physical threat, i.e., I’m not really having a heat attack, it just feels like it, etc. My anxiety centers around health, think it stems from a friend dying suddenly when I was young, have an irrational fear of death – especially my own – hahaha. Anyway, my doc first gave me Ativan, which works, but I can see several reasons I wouldn’t want to take this regularly or long-term. I went for a follow-up and she just described Zoloft. I have found some really great info on the web about it and some really not great – including supposed Zoloft induced suicides and murders?? Yikes!!! I don’t suffer from depression at all, I don’t think??? Other than worrying about having another panic attack, etc. Am wondering if Zoloft is right for me? Seems a lot of people are saying it causes MORE anxiety – which would basically be a disaster for me! Doc said to take 1/2-1 Ativan ONLY IF NEEDED while I get used to the Zoloft?? If Zoloft does increase anxiety, is that temporary?? I’m 33, very outgoing, upbeat, fun/funny, etc. and I am SOOOO sick of this anxiety imposing itself on my life. I used to hate taking any medicine if I didn’t absolutely HAVE to, but now I will welcome pretty much anything that would make me just be able to be "normal" again. From what I am reading, everyone is different and different meds work for different people, etc. but has anyone taking Zoloft pretty much just for anxiety??? Being that my anxiety centers around my health, etc. – taking something that will increase my heart rate or make me feel crappy could be the worse thing I could do – I’m thinking?? Anyway, nice "meeting" all of you and I appreciate any and all input!!!!! Thanks much!!!
Are you seeing your GP or a psychiatrist? In my experience GP’s are not the best for treating anxiety disorders, they just don’t have the knowledge that comes with a specialty. Zoloft and other SSRI’s can exaserbate anxiety in some people initially, there no way of knowing if it is going to happen to an individual before they try the medication though. I found that some SSRI’s I could not tolerate while others worked wonders for me. What I found to be the biggest benefit of SSRIs is that they stopped the obsessive thoughts. Which in turn ment less panic attacks and high anxiety situations for me. I was at one time prescribed Zoloft for anxiety, at that point even though I was a housebound agorophobic I’d never been depressed. A few years, a few medications and a really good psychiatrist later, life is pretty darned good. I’d encourage you to at least try Zoloft, use Ativan when you start the feel anxious or panicky, and remember that it can take 6-8 week before one sees the effects of Zoloft, however many people begin to see benefits sooner. Cognitive behavioral therapy is something that you might want to ask your Dr. about, it has a great track record in helping anxiety patients. A couple of books that I found very helpful were _The anxiety & phobia workbook_ by Bourne, and _the feeling good handbook_ by Burns. They gave me a better understanding of the symptoms and some good tools in how to deal with said symptoms effectively. Take care and let us know how you’re doing. Jess
If Zoloft does increase anxiety, is that temporary?? I’m 33, very outgoing, upbeat, fun/funny, etc. and I am SOOOO sick of this anxiety imposing itself on my life. I used to hate taking any medicine if I didn’t absolutely HAVE to, but now I will welcome pretty much anything that would make me just be able to be "normal" again.
Zoloft increases my panic attacks.. but that ’s just me. spendin 80 bucks on 30 pills has that effect on me. why don’t you try xanax when needed? i have the same condition. extreme panic disorder, but no depression, see no need for those "designer meds" for anxiety if you know the form of anxiety you suffer from is "panic".. ya panic? pop a xanax.. done. ~tanya
I have anxiety and lately the new treat of horrible panic attacks. I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – somewhat control them knowing they do not pose a REAL physical threat, i.e., I’m not really having a heat attack, it just feels like it, etc. My anxiety centers around health, think it stems from a friend dying suddenly when I was young, have an irrational fear of death – especially my own – hahaha. Anyway, my doc first gave me Ativan, which works, but I can see several reasons I wouldn’t want to take this regularly or long-term. I went for a follow-up and she just described Zoloft. I have found some really great info on the web about it and some really not great – including supposed Zoloft induced suicides and murders?? Yikes!!! I don’t suffer from depression at all, I don’t think??? Other than worrying about having another panic attack, etc. Am wondering if Zoloft is right for me? Seems a lot of people are saying it causes MORE anxiety – which would basically be a disaster for me! Doc said to take 1/2-1 Ativan ONLY IF NEEDED while I get used to the Zoloft?? If Zoloft does increase anxiety, is that temporary?? I’m 33, very outgoing, upbeat, fun/funny, etc. and I am SOOOO sick of this anxiety imposing itself on my life. I used to hate taking any medicine if I didn’t absolutely HAVE to, but now I will welcome pretty much anything that would make me just be able to be "normal" again. From what I am reading, everyone is different and different meds work for different people, etc. but has anyone taking Zoloft pretty much just for anxiety??? Being that my anxiety centers around my health, etc. – taking something that will increase my heart rate or make me feel crappy could be the worse thing I could do – I’m thinking?? Anyway, nice "meeting" all of you and I appreciate any and all input!!!!! Thanks much!!!
Hi, Phil…. What you are describing sounds like generalized anxiety to me… in my humble layman’s opinion. The neck tension.. and the sense of foreboding.. sound like very common symptoms for anxiety. I’m wondering if this has all seemed to start since you went on the Lexapro. If so, it may be something to talk to your doc about. I think the Xanax may help. And it really can’t hurt to try one… or just half of one if you want, to begin with. Take care! MikeH
Mike, RE: "I’m wondering if this has all seemed to start since you went on the Lexapro" No, things are much better with the Lexapro. I was on zoloft for 7 years and it stopped working so I was having much worse anxiety almost all day every day. Panic quite often. What I am experiencing now is pretty mild in comparison, but it still bothers me and sometimes escalates into an attack. It took me 6 months once to wean onto Zoloft before my anxiety went away, so I wonder if I should wait this out or up my dose next week. Lexapro and Zoloft are two different drugs I know… Thanks for helping me pin this down! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". That’s called anticipatory anxiety. I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, IT is anxiety. I’d take a Xanax. but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. Xanax won’t make depression worse. When I’m depressed and take a Xanax, the depression improves. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. If you’re having that much anxiety after 7 weeks, I think you could use an increase to Lexapro 15 mg/day. Chip
Thanks Chip, Do you or anyone know if I do decide to go up to 15mg if the extra 5mg is normally a smooth transition? or do I have a couple weeks of nausea and headaches to look forward to? Thanks again, Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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ne". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off :things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. : :Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… : :If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is :definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. :<–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med :phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take 
anax. Dear Phil, opinion, it sounds like anxiety. Why not take a xanax and see what happens? At the very worst, it won`t help, but there is a good chance that it could alleviate some, maybe a lot…… of this anxiety you are feeling in the evening. Once your evening anxiety levels come down……I bet you will start to enjoy those activities instead of doing them just as a distraction. A long hot shower, a massage and muscle relaxation exercises could really help the tension in your neck and shoulders. Take care and feel better soon Jackie ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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o you or anyone know if I do decide to go up to 15mg if the extra 5mg is :normally a smooth transition? or do I have a couple weeks of nausea and :headaches to look forward to? Dear Phil, There is no way to predict how you will do side-effect wise if you increase the dose. You could experience some side-effects or it could be painless When I was weaning on paxil, sometimes I had uncomfortable side-effects when I increased my dose and then there were times I felt nothing. You won`t know unless you give it a try. Jackie ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Thanks Chip, Do you or anyone know if I do decide to go up to 15mg if the extra 5mg is normally a smooth transition? or do I have a couple weeks of nausea and headaches to look forward to? Thanks again, Phil
Seems like it depends on the person, Phil. When I went on Zoloft I had 1 month of slight nausea and loss of appatite. I was talking to my mother last night and she said she had no side effects going on Zoloft for anxiety. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, RE: "I’m wondering if this has all seemed to start since you went on the Lexapro" No, things are much better with the Lexapro. I was on zoloft for 7 years and it stopped working so I was having much worse anxiety almost all day every day. Panic quite often. What I am experiencing now is pretty mild in comparison, but it still bothers me and sometimes escalates into an attack. It took me 6 months once to wean onto Zoloft before my anxiety went away, so I wonder if I should wait this out or up my dose next week. Lexapro and Zoloft are two different drugs I know…
Dear Phil, Unfortunately, there’s really no way to know how you will react to upping the dose. With some meds, upping the dose can lessen the side effects. It’s all such a YMMV kinda thing. If your pdoc has said to move up next week, then I would probably go ahead and attempt it. Of course, (and I know of whence I speak, here) if you *think* you are going to have adverse side effects, that increases the chances that you will have extra anxiety. :( It’s not easy being us, is it?? Take care… and keep us posted on what you decide! MikeH — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Sounds like anxiety to me. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell.
I can’t tell either. I stopped trying to figure out which parts of my symptoms are anxiety and which are depression. I just know when I don’t feel right and can describe how I feel and what I’m doing, but I don’t know for sure if something is anxiety or depression caused. It would make more sense to guess that what you are feeling is anxiety but again, I don’t know for sure because it seems to me, for me at least, that I can feel both at the same time sometimes and at other times it feels like one comes first and then leads to the other – with depression being first for me. As I said I just know when I’m feeling anxious but to say that it is all anxiety and not depression, I just don’t know. Geez maybe they are the same thing? Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax.
I’m a med phobic too. For myself, I would take a benzo only if a real bad panic attack was taking place – and I mean a real bad one. From your description it sounds like maybe you are experiencing the
"on the verge of a panic attack" thing. When that happens to me, I do long yoga-type stretches – nothing pretzel-like – just sustained stretching and this works well – it calms me down. And I talk out loud about what is on my mind. I talk to my dog. If he is not listening, I talk out loud anyway. If it is really bad, and my mind is racing and I’m ruminating about things, I say things like "OK wheel in my head that keeps on turning, why don’t you just slow down now." I swear it has worked in the past because you get the sense that you are in more control of this than you thought you were. I remind myself that I am OK too. Give it a try. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one".
That’s called anticipatory anxiety. I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax,
IT is anxiety. I’d take a Xanax. but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax.
Xanax won’t make depression worse. When I’m depressed and take a Xanax, the depression improves. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg.
If you’re having that much anxiety after 7 weeks, I think you could use an increase to Lexapro 15 mg/day. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hi, Phil, When you speak of the tension in your neck and shoulders that says to me anxiety. I experience this often (usually while driving). Even half of a Xanax could help relieve some of the tension and help with any underlying anxiety. Is your lexapro at a normal dosage for this med? Best wishes. smiles, Elise
Elise, My doc said I might want to go up to 15 mg in a week or so if things aren’t better. I sort of dread that move – not sure if side effects will get worse or not. But thanks for helping to pin down what I’m going through. Phil. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
I’m so sorry you’re feeling like this, Phil. I’m not a doctor so I can’t give you a real diagnosis, but it sounds like anxiety to me. I also get that foreboding feeling too and ask myself why. I can usually come up with a reason, but sometimes I get stumped. Come to find out, there might be something coming up that I have to do and I’ll feel the foreboding a few days earlier. Once in a great while there really isn’t any good reason why I feel that way, but just because there isn’t a *good* reason doesn’t mean there isn’t a reason at all. Hope I didn’t confuse you. :-) I hope you feel better today. Hugs, Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil
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I’m not a Dr. nor do I play one on TV, but it sounds like anxiety to me, followed by feeling crappy about the anxiety, which gives you some depression. I’d try using the xanax for what it is prescribed for and see what happens. Tono – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all!
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Phil, this sounds like anxiety to me. It’s almost like an anticipation anxiety. You tend to panic/worry over the fact that you MAY have a bad night. I do this often myself and it goes right to my neck and shoulders! I would definitely take a Xanax and see if it helps. Hugs to you, Gigglz
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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Hi, Phil…. What you are describing sounds like generalized anxiety to me… in my humble layman’s opinion. The neck tension.. and the sense of foreboding.. sound like very common symptoms for anxiety. I’m wondering if this has all seemed to start since you went on the Lexapro. If so, it may be something to talk to your doc about. I think the Xanax may help. And it really can’t hurt to try one… or just half of one if you want, to begin with. Take care! MikeH
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all!
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Hi, Phil, When you speak of the tension in your neck and shoulders that says to me anxiety. I experience this often (usually while driving). Even half of a Xanax could help relieve some of the tension and help with any underlying anxiety. Is your lexapro at a normal dosage for this med? Best wishes. smiles, Elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil
This is just my opinion, so… When you say "foreboding", "fear of a bad one" and "lot’s of tension" I immediately want to say anxiety. And this is what I think you are experiencing. Also, I’ve never known of anyone complaining of Xanax causing or worsening anxiety. I would suggest you try a Xanax one night and see what happens. At the absolute worst, if it is depression and the Xanax worsens it, you will have one night of a little more depression. If it is anxiety, the Xanax should ease it and you’ll know. Depression is a hard thing to pin down. I realize that I’ve been depressed for a long time and didn’t know it, until it cleared and I saw how I was and how I’d been. Depression is more than just a sadness. It’s a sadness that doesn’t seem to have any purpose, reason or solution. In fact, because depression for me is also a lack of motivation, it’s a sadness that prevents activities that may be a solution, like getting out and having some fun. Depression, again to me, eliminates the desire to acheive. Even to the point of eliminating the desire to fix the depression. It’s an emptiness. A hollow spot that no light enters. I could go on but that wasn’t your question. I think you are experiencing anxiety. Give the Xanax a try and see what happens. David There is seldom reason or sense involved in these matters of love — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
Hi all, I am confused about what I am going through right now. I thought it might be anxiety but I suppose it could be depression. I just can’t tell. Almost all day long I feel fine – I don’t have a lot to do at work, but I do get most of it done. Then in the evenings I start getting these headaches and lurking feeling of foreboding, some fear that tonight might be a "bad one". I feel a drive to pack in a bunch of activities to keep my mind off things. But often I get absolutely NOTHING done except being distracted. Lot’s of tension in my neck and shoulders… If I knew for sure it was anxiety, I’d probably take a xanax, but if it is definately depression I don’t want to make it worse by taking xanax. <–heck even that may not be an accurate feeling (?) I’m kindof a med phobic who pretty much needs to be fighting a full blown PA before I’ll take xanax. Anyway, thanks for any assesments. P.S. I am 7 weeks into my Lexapro therapy 10mg. Best wishes to all! Phil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
I have been taking Serzone for at least 3 months. Before that i took Zoloft very briefly. I had a lot of side effects on Zoloft. Started out on 50mg of Serzone now at 300mg. I havnt noticed any strong reaction one way or another. No real bad side effects and no real help for sp. No weight gain. I think I have been feeling alittle less anxious- like I dont care as much what people think. I do feel alittle tired during the day tho but I cant say for sure its because of that. My therapist recommends I go a higher dose -she thinks I will feel more of an affect then. We shall see. Renee
From: zkwyed1 zkwyed1NOzkS…@yahoo.co I’ve been taking Serzone for about two months now. Before that I had taken Wellbutrin for about two months. On the Wellbutrin I was having a lot of trouble sleeping and problems with trembling and feeling on edge, not to mention it didn’t help with anxiety much. So I switched to Serzone which helps sleeping a lot, in fact one of the problems I had the first couple of weeks was that I could hardly wake up. I could shut of my alarm after eight hours of sleep and still sleep for hours after that… my bed would just call to me with some sort of siren song thing…
LOL. I know that feeling. I’ve been taking it 2 weeks now and I still have a hard time waking up. I’m hoping that will pass. Today (Saturday) I slept till 10:00 am ! I haven’t done that in a long time. I am feeling very sluggish tho. and I’m really hoping that will go away.
That was the only problem I had with weight gain, I felt like a giant slug and didn’t want to move much. It has gotten a lot better in that regard. In fact, I would say that if you’re someone with anxiety, Serzone doesn’t add the tense jittery feeling that Wellbutrin seemed to for me. That is definitely only my opinion.
I don’t feel the least bit jittery on this med : ) I didn’t understand about the weight gain, did you gain weight on this med?? I’m asking because my doc told me I would gain weight on this one. (that’s what they all say, huh)
On another note, I have been lurking about eight months here, and I appreciate being able to read what everyone posts here. Every single one of you is important to those of us who reads these posts but hasn’t gotten to the point of interacting here. Thanks to all of you and good luck to everyone. The quiet one.
Thanks quiet one, I hope you delurk again *soon* : ) Pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
From: g…@execpc.com (Doug) Pam, I took 100 to 150 mg of Serzone along with 40 mg of Paxil per day for almost two years. I used the Serzone to try to help me sleep, which it did, but because it was mixed with the Paxil, I can’t isolate what it did for me besides helping me to sleep better.
Doug, I see….well although it’s been way to soon, that is about all I’m seeing from it too. But it’s still ealry Pam
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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
I’ve been taking Serzone for about two months now. Before that I had taken Wellbutrin for about two months. On the Wellbutrin I was having a lot of trouble sleeping and problems with trembling and feeling on edge, not to mention it didn’t help with anxiety much. So I switched to Serzone which helps sleeping a lot, in fact one of the problems I had the first couple of weeks was that I could hardly wake up. I could shut of my alarm after eight hours of sleep and still sleep for hours after that… my bed would just call to me with some sort of siren song thing… That was the only problem I had with weight gain, I felt like a giant slug and didn’t want to move much. It has gotten a lot better in that regard. In fact, I would say that if you’re someone with anxiety, Serzone doesn’t add the tense jittery feeling that Wellbutrin seemed to for me. That is definitely only my opinion. On another note, I have been lurking about eight months here, and I appreciate being able to read what everyone posts here. Every single one of you is important to those of us who reads these posts but hasn’t gotten to the point of interacting here. Thanks to all of you and good luck to everyone. The quiet one. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
Back in my NIMH days, I was put on Serzone for a while. I can’t say that it did much of anything, for good or for ill. Craig
Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
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Well, I m making the switch from Celexa to Serzone, I can’t go back on Remeron cuz of the weight gain thing, and Celexa is giving me insomnia or something, so I’m going to take Serzone untill I loose some weight . (great motivation!) P-Doc says it works like Remeron but doesn’t increase the appetite like Remeron, So if any one has any experience with it *please* post it. I’m counting on you lurkers too : ) thanks Pam
Pam, I took 100 to 150 mg of Serzone along with 40 mg of Paxil per day for almost two years. I used the Serzone to try to help me sleep, which it did, but because it was mixed with the Paxil, I can’t isolate what it did for me besides helping me to sleep better.
I too went from Remeron to Serzone but for different reasons. The first couple of months on Serzone I couldn’t stand the sight of food. That’s the good part. The bad part was that it made me very nervous and irritable. I stuck it out and by month 3 I was feeling pretty good and the sp was tolerable. Unfortunatly I also got my appetite back (w/o weight gain) Sad to say I developed a serious side effect after 6 months and had to quit taking it. So it’s back to hit and miss with the meds again. I hope you have good luck with it. Gina * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
That happens when they find out I’m a cheap date! You what??? (What are you on today? I think I want some.) — Connie=^..^= : i love you : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : :
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wrote: That happens when they find out I’m a cheap date! You what??? (What are you on today? I think I want some.) — Connie=^..^= : i love you : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : True, true! : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : You’d have fun with that ! : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : — : Connie=^..^= : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : i like a babbler , : : check out my track record around here . : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : Heck, : : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a : : shot, and I’ll pass out. : : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I : take : : it : : : : before : : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : : : effects : : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
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True, true! And I have no brain to mouth filter. You’d have fun with that ! And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca
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then your question has an answer On Wed, 15 May 2002 04:15:43 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
wrote: I know you’re fine. — Connie=^..^= : : ok , f…@pris.ca : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 03:52:14 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : ok, what? : My, you’re agreeable today! : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : ok : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:53:48 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : mee too! : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : i love you : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : : : : : : True, true! : : : : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : : : : You’d have fun with that ! : : : : : : : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : : : i like a babbler , : : : : : check out my track record around here . : : : :
ok , f…@pris.ca On Wed, 15 May 2002 03:52:14 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
wrote: ok, what? My, you’re agreeable today! — Connie=^..^= : ok : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:53:48 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : mee too! : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : i love you : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : : : True, true! : : : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : : : You’d have fun with that ! : : : : : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : i like a babbler , : : : : check out my track record around here .
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ok On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:53:48 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
wrote: mee too! — Connie=^..^= : : : i love you : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : True, true! : : And I have no brain to mouth filter. : : You’d have fun with that ! : : : : And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : i like a babbler , : : : check out my track record around here . : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : Heck, : : : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : : : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me : a : : : shot, and I’ll pass out. : : : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost : no : : : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I : : take : : : it : : : : : before : : : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : : : : : — : : : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for : chronic : : : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and : side : : : : effects : : : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
i like a babbler , check out my track record around here . On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
wrote: Heck, Half a beer, and I’m drunk. Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a shot, and I’ll pass out. Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! — Connie=^..^= : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : if you break it in half . : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : — : Connie=^..^= : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : well it did that to me , : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I take it : : before : : : I go to sleep. : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : insomnia. : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : effects : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
i love you On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:24:08 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
wrote: True, true! And I have no brain to mouth filter. You’d have fun with that ! And I could go on for a month, on a $5 supply of liquor. — Connie=^..^= "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message news:3ce1c589.17686053@news.cis.dfn.de… : : i like a babbler , : check out my track record around here . : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:50 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : Heck, : Half a beer, and I’m drunk. : Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a : shot, and I’ll pass out. : Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! : : — : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : : if you break it in half . : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : I think mine is not from Serzone. : : Bummer, does that mean we can’t share drugs? : : : : : : — : : Connie=^..^= : : "%" <f…@pris.ca wrote in message : : news:3ce1c123.16560159@news.cis.dfn.de… : : : : : : well it did that to me , : : : but i’m not speaking for everyone : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 01:26:25 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : Is that what’s causing it? : : : I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. : : : : : : — : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : i tried it , but didn’t like , : : : : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : : : : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net wrote: : : : : : : : : I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no : : : : Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I take : it : : : before : : : : I go to sleep. : : : : I like being on it. : : : : : : : : — : : : : Connie=^..^= : : : : : : : : : : : : : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic : : : : : insomnia. : : : : : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side : : effects : : : : : you might have experienced. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic insomnia. Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side effects you might have experienced.
I’ve been on it for 2-3 years now. works good for me, almost no Side-effects. Little nausea 1-3 hours after I take it, but I take it before I go to sleep. I like being on it. — Connie=^..^= : Has anyone taken Serzone? It was prescribed to me for chronic : insomnia. : Would appreciate knowing if it has worked for anyone, and side effects : you might have experienced. :
i tried it , but didn’t like , running to the toilet every 10 minutes On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
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Is that what’s causing it? I thought I just wasn’t eating the right stuff. — Connie=^..^= : i tried it , but didn’t like , : running to the toilet every 10 minutes : : : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:36:44 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
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Heck, Half a beer, and I’m drunk. Can’t stop talking after that. If you want me to stop talking, get me a shot, and I’ll pass out. Sheesh, I’m a cheap date! — Connie=^..^= : : you couldn’t handle most of what i’m on , : but my anti depressant might be ok for you , : if you break it in half . : : : : On Wed, 15 May 2002 02:06:22 GMT, "ConnieKat" : <cbdsgn2=^….@pacbell.net
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Does anyone have any experience with imipramine? 1) What are the side effects? Does it cause impotence the way practically all other anti-depressants do? 2) How effective is it in treating depression? 3) How different is it from other common drugs such as prozac, effexor, etc.? 4) Does it have any lethal potential (will it kill a person if they OD on it in large doses)? Many years ago, I made an unsucessful suicide attempt, and I dont want the temptation to be there if I ever get to that state again. 5) Is does it have any addictive potential, like some meds can (i.e. you need more and more of it to get the same effect)? I presume in a group like this, many of you are currently on (or have been on) imiprimine. I just need to get as much info as possible on, since this one of the drugs my doc has mentioned as a possibility for me. Of course, ive asked him these questions also, but I just want to get another perspective. I’d appreciate any input from anyone out there– thanks advance allegro
Does anyone have any experience with imipramine?
Not I. Tofranil, haven’t tried it. 1) What are the side effects? Does it cause impotence the way practically all other anti-depressants do?
http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-t03.html 2) How effective is it in treating depression?
About as good as any. Actually, it’s frequently used in comparison studies. 3) How different is it from other common drugs such as prozac, effexor, etc.?
It’s a tricyclic, kind of like a shotgun. Does a lot of stuff, that’s why the scary side effects. Meds like Prozac do less in the body and so have fewer and less frequently occurring (within a population) side effects. 4) Does it have any lethal potential (will it kill a person if they OD on it in large doses)? Many years ago, I made an unsucessful suicide attempt, and I dont want the temptation to be there if I ever get to that state again.
Maybe you should ask for an SSRI. All tricyclics are a little dangerous. 5) Is does it have any addictive potential, like some meds can (i.e. you need more and more of it to get the same effect)?
None at all. If you click on the Research link at Internet Mental Health you can get a ton of abstracts. Researchers seem to like using imipramine.
I recently started taking Imipramine. I’m up to 150Mg/day. I’ve been on virtually all of the newer anti-depressants, so this is kind of my last hope. I can tell you this much, the newer ADs are no more effective than the older ones, such as the Tricyclics and MAOIs. As far as side effects go, I’m experiencing dry mouth and constipation. Imipramine seems no worse than ADs like Prozac, Paxil, Serzone, Effexor, etc. In fact, some of these newer ADs had more side effects. Paxil, in particular, was the hardest drug to get off of. Even though I weened off of it slowly, I experienced painful withdrawals, such as migraines, that lasted well over a month. From what I’ve read, one can OD on Imipramine, but so can one on Aspirin. Also, it’s not addictive. I say it’s worth a try. I mean, these newer ADs are being marketed heavily (whereas Imipramine is generic and inexpensive) and this is influencing doctors and patients. But again, I have yet to read any studies that show Imipramine to be less effective. Does anyone have any experience with imipramine? 1) What are the side effects? Does it cause impotence the way practically all other anti-depressants do? 2) How effective is it in treating depression? 3) How different is it from other common drugs such as prozac, effexor, etc.? 4) Does it have any lethal potential (will it kill a person if they OD on it in large doses)? Many years ago, I made an unsucessful
suicide attempt, and I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – dont want the temptation to be there if I ever get to that state again. 5) Is does it have any addictive potential, like some meds can (i.e. you need more and more of it to get the same effect)? I presume in a group like this, many of you are currently on (or have been on) imiprimine. I just need to get as much info as possible on, since this one of the drugs my doc has mentioned as a possibility for me. Of course, ive asked him these questions also, but I just want to get another perspective. I’d appreciate any input from anyone out there– thanks advance allegro
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Hi All, I’m seeing my PCP about my concerns with Zoloft. I’v been on it for maybe three months now and the only positive thing I can say is that it was a far cry better for me than Wellbutrin. I couldn’t tell if the Zoloft eased the anxiety at the switch or if just stopping the W did it. Now for the problems–obviously not initial side effects. Weight gain and unable to lose it not matter what I do–I’m not in to fads, just a good diet and as much excersize as I can tolerate. I’ve tried low fat, then low carb–all smart and balanced as I don’t want it to be in vain as soon as I start eating normally again. But I get no results. This is chipping away at my self esteem (and this has never happened to me before and I’m in my 40’s). Gritting/clenching my teeth. At first I thought it was recent dental work (crowns) but it is getting to be so severe that it is causing headaches and I can’t chew anything more firm than cooked rice. Meat? Forget it! I have been back to the dentist twice and though I haven’t completely let him off the hook, I think since I notice the teeth clenching all day long, I have to take some responsibility and look into the Zoloft possibility. I have small involuntary twitching in my arms and legs. It’s unnerving–I hate it. I fear parkinsons or something similar though, again, it started after I was on the Zoloft for a few months. Heightened anxiety all of a sudden. I was down to .75mgs daily and now am up to twice that–conciously I think for the teeth clenching–it seems to help a little–but also my entire disposition, mood, all over feel. I have horrible nightmares every nightl. I can not even bring myself to tell you the content. They seem to last for ever and if you consider the worst possible thing that could happen to a parent, that is what I am dealing with almost every night. I seem to sob all night long, though I know dreams are very short. Consequently, I wake up with a horrible yet relieved feeling–but very exhausted. I used to get canker sores as a child. NOT COLD SORES–they are so often confused with one another. My mom took me to many doctors and there was nothing they could do back then–I’m hoping medicine has made some progress in this area. This has to be some of the worst pain I have ever had to endure and they seem to be nonstop–two or three coming on the heels of another two or three just healing. I am guaranteed a canker sore (mine always result from trauma) if I eat chips, crisp french bread, if I bite the inside of my cheek when eating. They last a good 1 1/2 to 2 weeks and I realize that the Zoloft may not be to blame but I like to be informed when I see the doc. I have seen a few studies posted here recently about the teeth clenching. Truly, I don’t know if I benefit at all from the Z. I am taking it for anxiety not depression. If anyone has any suggestions or has heard of any one else with a similar story. Any links to pertinent info also greatly appreciated. Finally, does anyone know how well Buspar seems to be working for GAD-ites. Since it’s not a member of the SSRI family—I read somewhere that pre-existing conditions can be exaserbated–something to do with the dopamine????? Obviously, I need some intelligent help here LOL.
I have small involuntary twitching in my arms and legs. It’s unnerving–I hate it. I fear parkinsons or something similar though,
Hi.. I see you are in your mid 40s,, just have to ask, are you female?? I have found out that many of my symptoms including my anxiety ( which manifests itself in many ways) are all peri/menopause related… have you checked that out?? it does not matter if you still are regular, your hormones can start fluctuating and cause all kinds of symptoms… just consider it , unless you are male of course! Martha
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Hi Little bear I’m seeing my PCP about my concerns with Zoloft. I’v been on it for maybe three months now and the only positive thing I can say is that it was a far cry better for me than Wellbutrin. I couldn’t tell if the Zoloft eased the anxiety at the switch or if just stopping the W did it. Now for the problems–obviously not initial side effects. Weight gain and unable to lose it not matter what I do–I’m not in to fads, just a good diet and as much excersize as I can tolerate. I’ve tried low fat, then low carb–all smart and balanced as I don’t want it to be in vain as soon as I start eating normally again. But I get no results. This is chipping away at my self esteem (and this has never happened to me before and I’m in my 40’s).
Unfortunately alot of the anti-depressants can cause weight gain. Gritting/clenching my teeth. At first I thought it was recent dental work (crowns) but it is getting to be so severe that it is causing headaches and I can’t chew anything more firm than cooked rice. Meat? Forget it! I have been back to the dentist twice and though I haven’t completely let him off the hook, I think since I notice the teeth clenching all day long, I have to take some responsibility and look into the Zoloft possibility.
You can clench your teeth when your anxious, angry, or in pain. It might be a symptom of your anxiety or perhaps the dental work. A few hours after my sister`s accident I started clenching my teeth. It was causing pain in my temples and at times it was so bad I was close to tears. It seemed the more I focused on the clenching the worse it got. Believe it or not, chewing gum seemed to help me. What does your doctor say when you tell him you can`t eat anything harder than rice? I have small involuntary twitching in my arms and legs. It’s unnerving–I hate it. I fear parkinsons or something similar though, again, it started after I was on the Zoloft for a few months.
Twitching is a very common symptom of anxiety. I have had twitches in my arms and legs, the most annoying place to get a twitch is my eyelids. When I went on Paxil they stopped. Maybe your Zoloft dose is just not enough to relieve your anxiety. I think the only way to find out if it is anxiety or the Zoloft causing these symptoms is to get off of it and see what happens. Heightened anxiety all of a sudden. I was down to .75mgs daily and now am up to twice that–conciously I think for the teeth clenching–it seems to help a little–but also my entire disposition, mood, all over feel.
Has increasing the dose helped with the symptoms and the heightened anxiety? I have horrible nightmares every nightl. I can not even bring myself to tell you the content. They seem to last for ever and if you consider the worst possible thing that could happen to a parent, that is what I am dealing with almost every night. I seem to sob all night long, though I know dreams are very short. Consequently, I wake up with a horrible yet relieved feeling–but very exhausted.
When my anxiety is high for a extended period, I get terrible nightmares. I know what you are going through, I use to be afraid to go to sleep for fear of what I would dream. ((((((Little bear))))) I used to get canker sores as a child. NOT COLD SORES–they are so often confused with one another. My mom took me to many doctors and there was nothing they could do back then–I’m hoping medicine has made some progress in this area. This has to be some of the worst pain I have ever had to endure and they seem to be nonstop–two or three coming on the heels of another two or three just healing. I am guaranteed a canker sore (mine always result from trauma) if I eat chips, crisp french bread, if I bite the inside of my cheek when eating. They last a good 1 1/2 to 2 weeks and
Hmmm, did the jaw clenching start after you started getting canker sores? I would bet that your jaw clenching is related to the cankers, indirectly. You said yourself it is some of the worst pain you have endured You might be clenching due to the pain in your mouth. You should tell your doctor about these sores, he may be able to give you a ointment to help with the inflammation. Avoid citrus fruit, tomato`s and nuts. I also heard that many of the toothpaste we use can cause cankers in sensitive individuals. I realize that the Zoloft may not be to blame but I like to be informed when I see the doc. I have seen a few studies posted here recently about the teeth clenching. Truly, I don’t know if I benefit at all from the Z. I am taking it for anxiety not depression. If anyone has any suggestions or has heard of any one else with a similar story. Any links to pertinent info also greatly appreciated. Finally, does anyone know how well Buspar seems to be working for GAD-ites. Since it’s not a member of the SSRI family—I read somewhere that pre-existing conditions can be exaserbated–something to do with the dopamine????? Obviously, I need some intelligent help here LOL.
Buspar is effective for generalized anxiety disorder, which is what I think you said you have. You don`t suffer from panic attacks, right? I don`t think it would hurt to try the Buspar.
really think for your best interest you should see a psych doctor for diagnosis and treatment. Most MD`s just don`t have the knowledge to treat anxiety disorders properly. Take care and good luck tomorrow. *Hugs* Jackie
Snip I don’t know what she thought about that but now she has put me on 50mg of zoloft but did give me the .75 a day of xanex too. I guess to make a long story short is what is this zoloft and will it help with the panic attacks? I seem to be ok with the xanex. I am so confused about all these meds.
Ara, Zoloft is an anti depressent in the same family as Prozac (SSRIs). It is commonly used for anxiety/panic with a lot of success. However, as with most anti depressents, you may feel worse before you feel better. It’s a common practice to perscribe a little Xanax to help out while getting past the initial anti depressent adjustment period. Also, the initial adjustment period can be as long as 8 weeks. So, after 8 weeks, if the Zoloft isn’t helping, it probably won’t help and it’s time to try another med. People commonly see an improvement prior to 8 weeks though. Many people have been helped by Zoloft, but a minority are not (I can’t take SSRIs because I get rare side effects). You should have got a sheet from your pharmacist listing the common side effects, you should look those over so you don’t freak if one of them happens. While Xanax is very effective, and people who criticise Xanax in this NG usually get a lot of flack, it has the potential for users to develop a "dependency" on it, meaning you can’t quit taking it after you’ve used it for a while without withdraw symptoms; it must be slowly weaned off. So, in parts of the medical comunity, Xanax is not politically correct. Also, people who have a history of substance abuse are more likely to abuse Xanax; but this is rare for most panic/anxiety people. The irony is that any drug that crosses the blood brain barrier like Zoloft, Xanax, Prozac, most beta blockers, etc. can’t be just stopped, they must be weaned off. So what makes Xanax so bad? I’m not sure. Odds are good that Zoloft will help you. If it doesn’t or you can’t take the side effects (often they stop after a while) there’s lots of other meds to try. BTW, .75 mg of Xanax / day is a low dose, you may find yourself needing more later if the Zoloft does not kick in soon enough, be sure to see your Dr. if this happens. Your Dr. seems to be following a common strategy for anxiety/panic that’s helpful for many people. You’ll just have to wait and see if it works for you. God bless, Mark Before you buy.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, New here. Don’t want to start the newbie stuff. Just had a couple of questions if you all could help out. To give a quick recap of what has been going on, I ended up in the ER last month with chest pains (nothing wrong with the heart)and tingly sensations in my neck, head and eyes. The ER doc put me on .5 mg of xanex 4 times a day. Said that it was probably a panic attack. Then he told me to see my regular doc in a couple of days and I did and she put me on .25mg 2 to 3 times a day. She basically said just take the two. I didn’t seem enough so I took 3 a day and that seemed to be better. Anyway, went today to get a refill. I told her that the 2 a day wasn’t enough and that I was taking 3. I told her that the tingly sensations would start coming back if I only took the 2. I also told her that the more stressed I got the worse the tingly sensations. I don’t know what she thought about that but now she has put me on 50mg of zoloft but did give me the .75 a day of xanex too. I guess to make a long story short is what is this zoloft and will it help with the panic attacks? I seem to be ok with the xanex. I am so confused about all these meds. Thanks for all the help, Ara
Hi Ara & welcome to ASAP! Many doctors have trouble prescribing Xanax and other benzodiazepines because they mistakenly think they are *addictive*. This is not the case. Benzos, like almost all psychotropic and many non-psychotropic meds, will cause some *dependance* which means that you’d better not stop them suddenly but taper off slowly to avoid withdrawal symptoms. Xanax can be taken in two ways: *as needed* (when you feel a PA coming on) or as a maintenance med in a regular daily dose. Xanax is a fast- but short acting med, it works for 5 hours average which means that appr. 5 hours after having taking one your body will warn you that it’s time for another dose. To prescribe Xanax in whatever dose to be taken twice a day is not very sensible becausae 24 hours divided by 5 = (more than) 4 times. The average therapeutic dose of Xanax is anywhere between 2-6 mgs. Its most important side effect is *sedation* which will cease or at least diminish a lot after your body has become accustomed to it. Obviously your doctor feels not comfortable treating you with Xanax alone and also maybe is undersubscribing so she gave you Zoloft which is an antidepressant from the SSRI-group which are often used for PD and are first choice meds just like the benzos are. AD’s will worsen your anxiety in the beginning and sometimes throw in some weird initial side effects of their own which is a reason to *start low – go slow*. Starting someone on 50 mgs of Zoloft is asking for trouble. Best is 12,5 mgs for a week and then slowly raise it in 12,5 mgs increments a week until therapeutic dose is reached. In itself the choice of Zoloft isn’t a bad one and the combo of an SSRI and a benzo is a good one (Xanax will also help avoiding or minimizing initial Zoloft side effects). Philip
Hi all, New here. Don’t want to start the newbie stuff. Just had a couple of questions if you all could help out. To give a quick recap of what has been going on, I ended up in the ER last month with chest pains (nothing wrong with the heart)and tingly sensations in my neck, head and eyes. The ER doc put me on .5 mg of xanex 4 times a day. Said that it was probably a panic attack. Then he told me to see my regular doc in a couple of days and I did and she put me on .25mg 2 to 3 times a day. She basically said just take the two. I didn’t seem enough so I took 3 a day and that seemed to be better. Anyway, went today to get a refill. I told her that the 2 a day wasn’t enough and that I was taking 3. I told her that the tingly sensations would start coming back if I only took the 2. I also told her that the more stressed I got the worse the tingly sensations. I don’t know what she thought about that but now she has put me on 50mg of zoloft but did give me the .75 a day of xanex too. I guess to make a long story short is what is this zoloft and will it help with the panic attacks? I seem to be ok with the xanex. I am so confused about all these meds. Thanks for all the help, Ara Before you buy.
I’ve been on an antidepressant (Effexor) for about six months now. It has been remarkably effective for the depression, but is affecting the quality of my sleep. I’ve tried taking it at different times if the day, but still have problems. One thing I notice in particular is that I often wake up after about five hours of sleep and feel tired, but mentally alert. If I go ahead and go into the office to work super-early, my production is outstanding for about half the day. I get to feeling very run down after lunch though. If I go back to bed after waking up alert like this, I am usually able to drift off for another 1-2 hours of sleep. Unfortunately, after sleeping an extra hour or two, I FIND IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET UP. Even after loading up on coffee, no-doz, etc., I feel groggy all day. I guess I don’t understand sleep cycles. How can I be more tired from sleeping two extra hours? Does this have anything to do with which sleep cycle I’m in when the alarm goes off? Any ideas on this will be appreciated.
Hello, DGA – Have you ever been tested for a sleep disorder? For years doctors tried to tell me that I was suffering from depression because I was sleepy all of the time. Finally I was diagnosed first with sleep apnea and five years with narcolepsy. I don’t know how long I had apnea before it was diagnosed, but I had had the narcolepsy for 37 years! Having untreated sleep disorders can depress anyone! Kent Taylor (Mongo) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DGA wrote in message …
I’ve been on an antidepressant (Effexor) for about six months now. It has been remarkably effective for the depression, but is affecting the quality of my sleep. I’ve tried taking it at different times if the day, but still have problems. One thing I notice in particular is that I often wake up after about five hours of sleep and feel tired, but mentally alert. If I go ahead and go into the office to work super-early, my production is outstanding for about half the day. I get to feeling very run down after lunch though. If I go back to bed after waking up alert like this, I am usually able to drift off for another 1-2 hours of sleep. Unfortunately, after sleeping an extra hour or two, I FIND IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET UP. Even after loading up on coffee, no-doz, etc., I feel groggy all day. I guess I don’t understand sleep cycles. How can I be more tired from sleeping two extra hours? Does this have anything to do with which sleep cycle I’m in when the alarm goes off? Any ideas on this will be appreciated.
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wrote: I’ve been on an antidepressant (Effexor) for about six months now. It has been remarkably effective for the depression, but is affecting the quality of my sleep. I’ve tried taking it at different times if the day, but still have problems. One thing I notice in particular is that I often wake up after about five hours of sleep and feel tired, but mentally alert. If I go ahead and go into the office to work super-early, my production is outstanding for about half the day. I get to feeling very run down after lunch though. If I go back to bed after waking up alert like this, I am usually able to drift off for another 1-2 hours of sleep. Unfortunately, after sleeping an extra hour or two, I FIND IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET UP. Even after loading up on coffee, no-doz, etc., I feel groggy all day. I guess I don’t understand sleep cycles. How can I be more tired from sleeping two extra hours? Does this have anything to do with which sleep cycle I’m in when the alarm goes off? Any ideas on this will be appreciated.
Try setting an alarm to limit your nap to 20-30 minutes. Most people will be somewhat refreshed by that without having the body go into the "very groggy" state you describe. When you go to sleep, there are a lot of things that slow down – not just heartrate, many other body systems do this. By going to sleep for 1-2 hours you give your body time to completely shut down – and you’ve seen how hard it is to get it started again. By taking a short nap you don’t give your body time to completely shut down, so starting up again is a lot easier. In college I pulled a few long nights now and again. I found that if I finished early enough to get 3 or more hours of sleep it was worth going to bed. If I was going to get 1-2 hours (just as you describe) it did the same thing for me it is doing to you – made me really groggy the next day. So if there was only time for 1-2 hours I just stayed awake (hadn’t been told about short naps then).
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I’ve been on an antidepressant (Effexor) for about six months now. It has been remarkably effective for the depression, but is affecting the quality of my sleep.
Greetings! You’ve definitely come the right spot to talk about sleep problems. Just remember that most of us here are not medical professionals. We can offer our own experience, and that of others, but it’s just that … our own thoughts and opinions, not a medical training!
One thing I notice in particular is that I often wake up after about five hours of sleep and feel tired, but mentally alert. …
You might want to check out the patient information for this drug. You can search for it at http://www.rxlist.com/ where I found indications that this drug for a small percentage of people slightly (very slightly) increased the incidence of insomnia and somnolence. You might want to discuss this with your doctor. Additionally as Kent pointed out, your depression might well be connnected to sleep problems. Also, (and remember this is my own experience only) you might want to change the time you sleep to 1.5 hours instead of 2 hours. I find that I feel more rested when I get a multiple of 90 minutes of sleep. Regards, =jbf= John B. Fisher
I was on Effexor for depression but went off of it. I am very groggy when I get up my resting heartbeat is faster than it should be. and I am always in alot of pains. ie. lower back, etc. among other stress and the like.
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I’ve been on an antidepressant (Effexor) for about six months now. I guess I don’t understand sleep cycles. How can I be more tired from sleeping two extra hours? Does this have anything to do with which sleep cycle I’m in when the alarm goes off? Any ideas on this will be appreciated.
I’ve been on Effexor for 5 years. It has caused two sleep related problems for me. The first is called Rem Behavioral Disorder. This is a condition where you "act out" your dreams, and it makes your sleep non-restful. The second is called "Periodic Leg Movement Disorder." I had a related problem (called Restless Leg Syndrome) before I went on Effexor, but SSRIs can make it much worse. If you have PLMD without RLS, then you probably don’t even know you have it, and Effexor can make it get much worse. PLMD means you kick your legs every minute or two, all night long. (except when you are dreaming) The kicks cause you to stay in a less-restful stage of sleep, and keep you from getting enough of the deep sleep you need in order to get real rest. I have noticed over the years on Effexor that if I wake up naturally, then go back to sleep, I will end up sleeping for up to a whole DAY before I can manage to get myself back out of bed. (Unless something scares me awake, or my wife physically drags my butt out of bed.) I haven’t ever heard about this before, and I always assumed it was because the meds I take for sleep wear off by morning time. But you are right, it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense. I’ll ask my psychiatrist about it, and see if I can find anything about it on the net. One thing you might want to consider is the VERY short halflife of Effexor. Do you usually take it in the morning? If you take it when you get up, but you put off getting up, then that _might_ make it so that you start to experience the very mild beginnings of withdrawal. Effexor withdrawal can be VERY nasty, and it generally involves migraine headaches, _massive_ periods of fragmented sleep where you often can’t clearly distinguish between being awake and being asleep, and vertigo/balance problems. I’m on Effexor XR, so that I can get by with only one dose per day. With normal Effexor, I had to take it twice a day, and if I was more than an hour or two late for the dose, I’d start having the headaches, dizziness, etc. About your weird problems when going back to sleep though, with ME, it seems like I stay in a sleep which is kind of like the sleep I have when I’m going through Effexor withdrawal. I’m 1/2 awake, and 1/2 asleep, and it is impossible to tell if I’m dreaming or not. Any time I experience that "weird sleep," I usually end up not being able to get out of bed for a long time, and I always end up being exhausted for at least 12 hours or so afterwards. It’s probably some weird sleep problem caused by Effexor, which someone will end up "discovering" in 10 years. :) Anyway, my best suggestion is to just get up after 5 hours, and try to stick it out til your normal bedtime the next night. If you need more than 5 hours sleep per night, then eventually the sleep deficit should help you sleep later. I don’t have ANY idea what to do about the weird grogginess after going back to sleep. I never even really gave it much thought as being a problem separate from my OTHER sleep problems until I read your post. Thanks for the info. :) -Bret Wood -bretw…@cs.uoregon.edu
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Hi Nick, I had a pretty social weekend too. (for me) What a world of difference it makes when you’re on the right meds : ) Each day, I feel a little better. Pam
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What pink pills? Where can I get some? Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. sCOOTer wrote: In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete
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The physicians have given me zoloft + xanax then prozac. Xanax was horrible…I don’t know how it helps anyone. The zoloft and prozac were similar in effect…made me feel more content and made me much easier to get along with. I didn’t want to be content or congenial, though. I am panting to be more comfortable in college…that’s all. The only relationships that I want are ones in which I am idolized as the enigma that I will always be, whether real or imagined. Doesn’t it make any of you feel empty to act like everyone else? I believe that if I weren’t shy, then I would be suicidal. The biggest obstacle is the feeling that society is attempting to change me, and this becomes especially evident in college. Their attempts wouldn’t be distressing if I wasn’t so sensitive to disapprobation…I want to be liked…not actually liked, too spiritless, but adored, envied, venerated, aggrandized…I don’t want to change. The kind of counseling that I am getting isn’t helping, because I struggle with imagining that anyone really understands me…not because I’m too exceptional to be understood…because I have a distorted way of expressing myself. No offense, but it seems to me that even doctors of the mind are easily misled…One must diffuse what I am saying to get to what is genuinely there. I suppose I am expecting them to read my mind…after all the path from there to here is devious, and I’m not figuring it out. I am mentioning all of this, because most of you talk about a manner of progress that is completely dissimilar to what I imagine for myself. Anyway, we’re all just people experiencing the same symptoms, spawned from varying origins, induced by whatever, with different motivations, resulting in this…however you want to think of it. Also, I felt like being opinionated and declaring that I hate mind playing drugs….the right ones, the wrong ones, the ones that work, the ones that don’t…any of them. The ones that play in the pain region of your brain (no one expects me to know the names of all of these chemicals, regions, nerve transmitters, right? is it with the prostaglandins…I don’t know.) and other similar places don’t offend me that much….it’s just those ones that play in your serotonin governors, emotional signals, GABAs, monoamine oxidase, whatever. I’m not denying these drugs’ rights to excitement…They’re just uninvited right now. Gotta be elaborate about it, y’know.
Leiliane
That good hey.. — ========= Russ. "Is this heaven?" ========= Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com
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> > news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… > > > thanks. > > > although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. > > > sCOOTer wrote: > > > > In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com>, "Nicholas S.-Roy"
<n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost
10.
Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life.
The
Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the
other
people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the
dust."
Pete
yup, I’ve met 3 girls since I’m on it, hehe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JimiJames wrote:
That good hey.. — ========= Russ. "Is this heaven?" ========= Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376F8854.8275E8F8@primetimevisions.com… Paxil JimiJames wrote: What pink pills? Where can I get some? Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. sCOOTer wrote: In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete
OK, I’ve heard enough I’m getting some of that stuff — ========= Russ. "Is this heaven?" ========= Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com
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> > news:376F8854.8275E8F8@primetimevisions.com… > > > Paxil > > > JimiJames wrote: > > > > What pink pills? Where can I get some? > > > > Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com
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> > > > news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… > > > > > thanks. > > > > > although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. > > > > > sCOOTer wrote: > > > > > > In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com>, "Nicholas > > S.-Roy" > > > > > > <n….@primetimevisions.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost
10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my
life.
The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at
the
other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete
I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun.
I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun.
That’s tight. I’m happy for you. Hope it lasts. ~ "No culture has a monopoly on beauty or value… Just as no religion has a monopoly on truth." -Voltaire
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Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete
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In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Nicholas: I hope we can say about you, as an SPic, "another one bites the dust." Pete
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thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills.
That’s good enough.
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Nicholas S.-Roy <n….@primetimevisions.com wrote in message news:376EBB14.77C7EA34@primetimevisions.com… thanks. although it’s only thanks to the little pink pills. That’s good enough.
Great! I’m so happy for you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MzPami wrote:
In article <376E48A7.D623C…@primetimevisions.com, "Nicholas S.-Roy" <n….@primetimevisions.com writes: I went to a cottage this weekend, and only knew 2 people on almost 10. Anyways it was great, and I’ve never been this social in my life. The Paxil seems to be doing more everyday. I talked to everyone, wasn’t shy, helped around, etc… It just felt really great not to be the outsider looking at the other people having fun. Hi Nick, I had a pretty social weekend too. (for me) What a world of difference it makes when you’re on the right meds : ) Each day, I feel a little better. Pam